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[00:01:15] Speaker B: The it's time, time for the burning river sports cast. Let the media frenzy begin. Teams have touched down in Sin City and the Super bowl is finally here. The year's most anticipated sporting event is set to kick off this Sunday and marks the end of the NFL viewing calendar. Taylor Swift and the Kansas City Chiefs look to cement their claim on modern dynasty, while the 49 ers are looking to add another Lombardi to their hefty trophy case. Niners Chiefs. Two teams go in, but only one to be crowned champion. Who you got? We'll break it all down for you next on the burning river sportscast.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: What happened?
[00:02:04] Speaker B: One good thing has come out of this monarchy.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: What is it?
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Pippa Middleton that perfectly manicured her end?
[00:02:13] Speaker A: Even get Kenny started on the circus.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: You talk about cancel culture, you freaking people that hate fun.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: About it. I don't really have any ill will towards Bill Callahan, but I do.
[00:02:27] Speaker B: I did f him. I do think F Andrew Berry, f the whole front office.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: Kenny.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: This was the one guy you couldn't let go.
[00:02:36] Speaker A: Kenny going like scorched earth on Cleveland Brown's front.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: This was the one guy you couldn't let go, and they lost him.
Now, I do think Nick Chubb's a warrior. I do think he's a gym rat. He's going to come back and he's going to be healthy. He's not going to come back until he's healthy and ready, bro.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: If he's a gym rat, I never want to see a rat again because I would be terrified if rats looked like Nick Chubb.
[00:03:02] Speaker B: I can't talk to you.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: Who are these people?
Listen, before you go any further and continue recapping the Pro bowl games, I'll give it to Baker.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: You're going to give Baker props?
[00:03:18] Speaker A: I'm going to give him props. He capped off a career year with this again, the offensive mvp. The skills challenge win. So good job, Baker. You had yourself a year.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: And they had the beebs out on the court. Yeah, on a rink, or whatever they call it.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: It belongs out there in an ice rink.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: In an ice rink.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: Does it belong?
[00:03:44] Speaker B: Nipples point in, bro.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
But anyways, I digress. No more nipple talk.
Don't you dare.
Don't you dare devalue the wagon. The wagon wheel.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: You grow up and you might root for two or three different teams before you grow up and realize you're a Browns fan. There's nothing you could do about it. Yeah, but the 49 ers and Chiefs just were never on my radar. No, I've never once been like, I love watching the Chiefs.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: They're not on anybody's radar except for bandwagoners and people who just can't figure their lives out.
It's crazy to think that Google images was like, people need their ass pictures.
We really got to facilitate this.
[00:04:42] Speaker B: Welcome in to the Burning river sportscast, presented by tapping media and brought to you by seaside events as the official cruise event provider of the Cleveland Browns and organizer of the Browns fan cruise. I'm Kenny Thunder. I'm just here so I don't get fined. Joined once again by the most popular son of Queens. You won't find any meeting colored greens, red hot Ronnie jams. We are boneless today with the big Bone man, taking some personal time ahead of the most important weekend in all of sports. Back to Red hot. Where can our listeners find all of the burning river sports guest content, including our exclusive interviews with Browns backers and former Cleveland Browns players in preparation for a cruise unlike any other, the Cleveland Browns fan cruise put on by our good friends at seaside events, the official cruise event provider of the Cleveland Browns.
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[00:06:04] Speaker B: Get in the shop.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: Get in the shop and get some. So here's the deal. Several of our Cleveland Browns were able to represent the organization in the city in the Pro bowl games. Did anyone watch? Does anyone care?
[00:06:16] Speaker B: No.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: I don't know. Even in a week that the Browns aren't playing football, we were able to get some terrible news that could potentially affect this team more than we know. And then our hopes and dreams of a storybook answer to that very question.
Let me start over. I don't know what I'm saying right now. Are you drunk? Yeah, I got scared.
Our hopes and dreams were crushed immediately because we thought we had an answer to this question, right? This devastated, this thing that left us all devastated. We thought we had an answer to it, and then our would be hero came out and crushed all of our dreams within 24 hours. So it was all over for us.
[00:06:54] Speaker B: I cussed a lot.
[00:06:55] Speaker A: Yeah. But anyways, we've got that and so much more today on the agenda. Updates on the Cleveland Browns, all the news that's taken place in the last week. Pro bowl games, highlights, low lights or low lights? The Pro bowl games.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: Pro bowl games.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: And then we also have an interview with a major award winning Browns backer chapter this week. So we're going to talk about their major award.
We're going to talk about what charities and community service they're involved with. We're going to talk to them about the Super bowl. We're going to talk to them about potential offseason moves and the Browns outlook for next year.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: It's a good guess to wrap up the NFL season.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's going to be a good time.
And then we don't have any Browns alumni interviews. We're still working on that last one. One day. We're going to get it one day someday. But in the meantime, go back and catch a few of the old ones. Great stories to be heard. And we've also started cutting those up into real shorts TikToks, depending on what platform you're on. So keep an eye out for those. And so despite the fact that our browns fell short and are once again not in the Super bowl this year, and every year, we all hit a point where we question our fandom, wonder just how long we can keep on keeping on. It's like Sylvester Stallone said in Rocky, which he started in with the late. Great. Carl Weathers.
[00:08:10] Speaker B: R-I-P.
[00:08:11] Speaker A: It ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done. And if that's how winning is done by the amount that you're able to take, then Browns fans are the biggest winners of them all.
So with that.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: If you say so.
[00:08:32] Speaker A: With that in mind, let's kick things off with the burning river news story of the.
[00:08:50] Speaker B: Speaking of Sylvester Stallone, have you seen his daughters smoke?
[00:08:57] Speaker A: He's doing TikToks with them sometimes. Salute. Smoke.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: They got a show, I guess, coming out.
[00:09:00] Speaker A: Nice. Nice.
[00:09:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:02] Speaker A: All right. So this week's burning river news story of the week. King Charles has canceled all public appearances as it has been announced that he's been diagnosed with an undisclosed type of cancer. He will begin treatment immediately and thus the cancellation of his appearances.
What do you think about this, Kenny?
[00:09:23] Speaker B: Look, I don't mean to impugn anybody in their life, but does this matter to anyone? I mean, I feel bad for the guy because he has cancer. I feel bad for anybody that has cancer, but cancer is bad.
This stopped the world today.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: I know. I got an apple notification.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: News stopped. And it was just about King Charles having cancer. And I'm like, first off, the guy is already so, like, I don't know, we all die or something fair. And I just don't know why the monarchy is even important to us anymore. How do we keep getting away with this family of white people that have imprisoned and invaded and destroyed and raped and pillaged literally every country on the face of the planet for the last 1000 years?
People want to get all upset about our history. And, yeah, there's some bad shit in there with the Indians and slavery and things that we did that, sorry, Native Americans and slavery that, yeah, we didn't necessarily handle in a super delicate way, but that's our history. But their history is far bloodier and worse and included all those same things around colonization and slavery.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: I don't think there was ever a saying that the sun never set on the american empire.
[00:10:39] Speaker B: No. There's 193 countries recognized by the UN. Britain has invaded 171 of them.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: That's insane.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: At some point in history, 171 of the countries that we all know on the map, Britain has either owned them, occupied them, invaded them, or they just were them.
But somehow we're all like, oh, no, the king has cancer.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: So even beyond all of that, I mean, that's all fair points. Absolutely. 100%. That's not good. That for some reason, we still hold this family and this monarchy on a pedestal. Why is there even a monarchy anyways? That's what I mean. Is it 2024 now?
2024. Peter Pan, if I was him, I.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: Would be running from that. Right? You should be like, we haven't done all those bad things since we were, like, democracy. So once we had a parliament and stuff, we got away from all that and things got better.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: You all are welcome. But no, seriously, though, my thing with this, besides all the good points that you made, is specifically, why do Americans care? And I'm not talking about his cancer again, that part is terrible.
I wish nobody would ever get cancer because cancer is a terrible thing. You don't wish that on your worst enemies.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: Agree.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: But why do Americans care about the monarchy, period? We literally had a revolution to get away from them, and now all we do is talk about them.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: We fought a war for it.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: Like, every time something happens with the monarchy, Americans are like, oh, my God, no, there's what happened.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: One good thing has come out of this monarchy.
[00:12:14] Speaker A: What is it?
[00:12:14] Speaker B: Pippa Middleton that perfectly manicured her end.
That's it, though.
[00:12:21] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: That is the one thing that has come out of this.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: I really. Every time something happens with the monarchy, obviously this is bad news, but there's good news, there's in between news, there's just drama. And every time it comes out, I have the same reaction. I'm like, why do we care?
Specifically America? Why do we care?
[00:12:43] Speaker B: To me, it's news that would have made, like, the scroll at the bottom of CNN, right? Like, oh, yeah. Like, king has cancer.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: You can mention it because it's like a world.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: Sure, it's quote unquote world leader, but I don't like, like, when the president of Zimbabwe gets cancer, no one's like, oh, no.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I just don't understand the infatuation with the monarchy.
[00:13:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I just think the monarchy, has.
[00:13:08] Speaker A: It not been canceled either? You talk about all these bad things that have happened, like, how have we.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: Just not been, like, all under the monarchy?
[00:13:14] Speaker A: Almost every year, somebody in America gets canceled for tweets from ten years ago, but the monarchy is like, well, we invaded that country. In that country, there's literally, you could count on two hands the number of countries that they didn't invade in the history of the world.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: We have thousands of years of them literally destroying countries livelihoods and taking their jewels and their money and everything important to them.
[00:13:41] Speaker A: Should we start the movement?
[00:13:42] Speaker B: Cancel the monarchy. Cancel the monarchy.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:13:47] Speaker B: King Charles. Good. That should be the end.
[00:13:48] Speaker A: I'm not about cancel culture, but I think I could get on board with this one, because if there was anybody that needed cancel culture, deserved it. Really deserved it. That's probably the.
And to be fair, they didn't discriminate. They conquered all.
[00:14:05] Speaker B: They conquered all. Black, white. Doesn't matter.
[00:14:09] Speaker A: Doesn't matter.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: We just take all. I mean, when you think about slavery, they were in the beginning of modern day slavery, so I don't know. I don't know how they escaped that and we don't somehow. And, in fact, they're celebrated for it.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: Well, it's probably because we were founded on we're free, but we weren't free. But they were just ass bags all along.
[00:14:32] Speaker B: We were still freer than them.
There were abolitionists around at the time of the founding, people that knew it wasn't a good idea.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: I mean, that's true, and to an extent, I agree with you, but I would say that you're either free or you're not.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: And here's the thing.
If we hadn't come around, the world would still be owned by Britain.
[00:14:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: The monarchy would still just be.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Yeah. A lot of the world hates America, but you're fucking welcome. Yeah.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: I mean, think about all the freedom and the equality you have.
[00:15:04] Speaker A: I mean, I didn't do anything contribute, but you're welcome.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: A lot of that is because of american democracy and the fact that we've.
[00:15:11] Speaker A: Saved the world over and over and.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: Over again through world wars and just basically funding revolutions all around the world for the means of freedom.
[00:15:23] Speaker A: The only thing cool that's ever happened with the monarchy is that time tip of Middleton. Well, besides that is that time in the greatest showman when PT Barnum met the queen.
And I don't even know if that was the right monarchy, but that happened in that.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: What's the monarchy?
[00:15:39] Speaker A: That was the only thing that cool happened to them. Great movie.
[00:15:43] Speaker B: It's the greatest show for sure.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: Get Kenny started on the circus.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: You talk about cancel culture. You freaking people that hate fun.
[00:15:55] Speaker A: But, yeah, I guess, long live the king.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: No, I think when the king goes, the monarchy should go.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: It's over.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: It should be the end.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: We already had Meghan Markle and what's his face secede from the monarchy.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: They were already like, this is kind of a bad mean.
[00:16:14] Speaker A: How long are the every. You know what's weird, too? You know what's really strange about that is everybody, even in America, seems to think they're the crazy ones because they're like, we're going to cancel ourselves because this was all bad.
[00:16:27] Speaker B: I mean, personally, they're crazy, because I would rather do nothing my entire life and just have billions of dollars in gold.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Well, yeah, absolutely. But I'm just saying, they were the ones that were like, this is all bad.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: But, yeah, I mean, agreed. Their kids probably shouldn't grow up in a castle and just be revered just because they were born of some literal, terrible bloodline.
[00:16:48] Speaker A: I guess maybe if we were the king, we'd see it differently. Yeah.
[00:16:51] Speaker B: If I was the king, I would be like that.
[00:16:54] Speaker A: The monarchy rules, especially over there, because the old saying, heavy is the head that wears the crown. Well, not when you're the british monarchy and you do absolutely nothing. Yeah.
[00:17:03] Speaker B: You don't have to do anything.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: Like, you're just there for show at this point, rich.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: Anyway.
[00:17:06] Speaker A: And if anybody were to, quote, unquote, try to invade you, it would end quickly.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Yeah, true.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: I don't know. And they'd be seen as terrorists, even though you're just a monarch that gets to be monarch for no reason, literally.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: They are there because of their bloodline, and it's the same bloodline that ravaged 171 countries.
[00:17:27] Speaker A: It's the thing that Americans inherently try to extinguish from the world.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah. We were like, people shouldn't rule because.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: We really like their monarchy. It's really cool of royal blood, their pop culture royalty. And real true.
[00:17:43] Speaker B: I mean, it'd be one thing if they were pop culture royalty. Right? Like, if they did something. Like, if Prince William was an actor.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: Yeah. The only time that they were was the Princess Diana, because she was actually doing really good things all the time.
[00:17:57] Speaker B: Well, and she was, like, a commoner, wasn't she? And she's, like, married into the.
[00:18:02] Speaker A: Because of that, she was constantly doing tons of charity, like, all kinds of stuff, and not that they're not doing any charity. I don't know what they do. I don't really care, because I'm a normal human. I don't care about the monarchy. But I don't know. I don't want to talk about this anymore.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: King Charles has cancer. Hopefully, he gets better and then dies of old age, I guess.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: Yeah. That's what we're going with. Advances in modern science. Not crazy. I think he might live to be 345, maybe 400 with his income. Sure.
And with that, let's get into the Browns news.
I don't really know. We don't really have a name for this still.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: This is Browns news.
[00:18:45] Speaker A: Browns news. All right, so the big, bad Browns news that I mentioned at the top of the show is this. Let's just go ahead and rip the bandage off. Bill Callahan, who last week it was reported would not be leaving the Cleveland Browns to coach with his son in Tennessee and who also signed an extension with the Cleveland Browns, has left the Cleveland Browns to coach with his son in Tennessee.
That's right. The best offensive line coach in the game is no longer with the Cleveland Browns.
It's kind of like one of the more Browns y things that's happened in quite some time.
It was like, I'm not leaving. Just kidding. I'm leaving.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: They were talking. They were signing an extension.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: It was already reported he was retained multiple years. Yeah, I don't really know what happened, but here's the deal. A lot of the more casual fans will look at this and be like, it's not offensive line coach. What is that like? Whatever. But I think this is a really big deal.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: It's a huge deal.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: Just think about the amount of injuries we've had across the o line in recent years and the way that we were able to kind of just plug and play new guys that just stepped up. It didn't matter. And they didn't just fill in. They played at like Pro bowl caliber level. That's where they played. They came in and they were like.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: All pro guys have never heard of that. Came in and played. Blake, Hanz, Jaron, Christian. Like, who are these?
[00:20:09] Speaker A: Another one this year, Duan Jones. I mean, he was a mid round pick and he came in and replaced a perennial Pro Bowler at right tackle. And we're talking about, they're probably going to be cutting Jack Conklin at this point. They're going to save a bunch of money with him off the books.
[00:20:24] Speaker B: There was a ton of discussion about Dewan because he wanted to play basketball and he was just this huge body, and I didn't know if he had the athleticism and the fundamentals to compete at the NFL level. But I mean, a year, Bill Callahan, and all of a sudden this guy looks like he's all world. He could be your right tackle for the next.
[00:20:41] Speaker A: Like, they're literally talking about cutting Jack Conklin for the cap space because Duan Jones is a capable starter at right tackle over a perennial Pro Bowler in.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Jack Conklin who just got an extension the year before.
[00:20:53] Speaker A: By the way, the things that Bill Callahan has done with this offensive line and the fact that they've been as good as they have been with all the injuries, because we all know that our starters over the last probably three or four years have been like, just. They get stud after stud after stud in their starting lineup. For offensive linemen, we've rarely seen that offensive lineman play together for more than, like, a game or two.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we always are. Like, heading into the season, we're like, we're the best offensive line in football. And then by week three, he's decimated.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And it was the same this year, but we kept on going, and I.
[00:21:23] Speaker B: Don'T think people realize the importance of it is that, a, it's fundamental to your running game, and b, it's fundamental to your passing game. So it's fundamental to everything you do on offense. If you can't block up front and can't win, create holes for your running backs and you can't protect your quarterback, you're dead in the water.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: You can't win.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: We basically supplanted talent with a coach. We were like, we don't have to have the best talented linemen on the planet.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: And that coach, in turn, turned all of them into the talent.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: We just have the best coach that develops offensive linemen in a way that we've never seen in Cleveland or anywhere. That's why he was so highly sought after him. People thought that he might be a head coaching search because of the success that he's had coaching offensive line.
I mean, this is a huge deal. It's a huge deal to lose a guy that is so critical to your organization.
Again, I don't know what the hell happened, because again, he was signing an extension with the Browns to all of a sudden, overnight, he was moving to even. I don't have any words for it outside of the fact that if you're Andrew Barry, how do you let this guy go?
[00:22:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't really get it, and I don't know who the blame's on if it came down to not a money thing. And he's just like, I really want the opportunity to coach with my son. But even still, I mean, not that you want to have bad blood with Bill Callahan, but technically, the dude was still under contract. You could not let them interview.
[00:22:52] Speaker B: He signed an extension.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: You could not let them interview him.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that was the let him. They had to allow him to interview.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: And I know what that is. That's all optics, because you're not going to tell him he can't interview with his son because then you're the bad guy, and everybody around the league thinks you're an asshole. And people hold as much as people don't think they do. The NFL is a close knit business. Everybody knows everybody, and people hold shit against each other all the time.
[00:23:20] Speaker B: And I also kind of way on the way out, don't. The door hit you, Bill. It's a coward move.
[00:23:29] Speaker A: Coward.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: You sign an extension and you were like, no, I'm happy here. Let's get a deal done. And then you were like, you know what? I'm just going to go work for my son. Like what? Dad goes and works for his kid. Kid work for dad, okay? That's one thing. Dads don't go work for their sons.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just OD is all I'll say about it. I don't really have any ill will towards Bill Callahan, but I do. I did f him.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: I do f Andrew Berry at the old front office.
This was the one guy you couldn't let go.
[00:23:58] Speaker A: Kenny scorched earth on Cleveland Brown's front.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: It was the one guy you couldn't let go. And they lost him and they let him get away. Good luck next year, guys, because you're not going to find me. Who are you going to find? Mike Muncheck?
[00:24:10] Speaker A: Well, that's true.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: Mike Munchk going to come in and save the day.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: It is true. So Conklin is, like I mentioned, is probably out. With the emergence of Duan Jones, there's going to be others coming back from major injuries you still know you have in Jed Wills. If it's like this year, by week three or four, we're going to be absolutely decimated again. So it's going to get dicey pretty quick.
And here's the deal. So I mentioned that on top of that, there was more bad news on that front. And there seemed to be a silver lining to this whole thing pretty quickly, when it was announced that Bill Callahan would be leaving the Cleveland Browns, rumors started to swirl that Joe Thomas may be interested in the job. Well, took less than 24 hours for him to put that to bed. When he was asked if he was interested in the job, his quote was, I'm not at this point. I won't be interested in NFL or college jobs until my kids are in college. Maybe not even then, but certainly not until then. And so with that, we are stuck with a vacancy at offensive line coach and most likely a new and unfamiliar face that is less than half the man of Bill Callahan filling that position soon.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Look, I didn't put any stock in this at all, and I heard the rumors when it came out, but until something came from Joe's camp, I was like, this is just a rumor, which it was. And like you said, joe put it to bed as quickly as he could.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: Because that's what he does. He just takes care of business.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: He's just a busy guy right now. He's got young kids and stuff. So it's just not. He doesn't have time for this, right?
[00:25:35] Speaker A: Anybody got time for that, and that's fine.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: And here's the thing. Even if Joe Thomas came back, that would be great. We all love our Cleveland guys, but Joe Thomas isn't a seasoned veteran. A what? We know he was the best at his position, but that doesn't always translate. That doesn't mean that you're line coach.
[00:25:52] Speaker A: That also is not to say that he's not going to be a great coach. Sure, but you can't bring him in. Expect him to be Bill Callahan his first year.
[00:26:01] Speaker B: I mean, shoot, look at the hell Jeff Saturday caught for being an interim head coach.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: That son of a bitch. How dare he be promoted?
[00:26:08] Speaker B: I mean, because he was a good player. They were. Let's. Let's see what he's, you know, he caught all kinds of, you know, the fact that Joe Thomas's name is mentioned. Like, let's.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Let's actually talk about Jeff Saturday for a minute because I still can't believe that there was multiple sports analysts out there that at the time were like, he should have turned the job down. Like, are you fucking crazy? You got offered a head coaching job in the NFL. You're just going to turn it down? I don't think so. I'm good.
[00:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Speaking of Jeff Saturday, that was the best part of the Pro bowl games this weekend was they replayed when Jeff Saturday and Peyton Manning were in the Pro bowl together for the last time. Because Jeff Saturday was playing for the.
[00:26:49] Speaker A: Opposite team, wasn't he?
[00:26:50] Speaker B: The Colts still, and Peyton had moved to the Broncos, and they let him come in and do one final snap with Peyton so there would be their final exchange.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: Good moment.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: They replayed that on the Pro bowl games, and that was exciting.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that was as exciting as it got. That was the highlight. We'll talk more about the Pro bowl games here soon. And so with that, we are stuck with a vacancy offensive line coach and most likely a new and unfamiliar face. Filling that position soon.
[00:27:16] Speaker B: Bullshit.
[00:27:17] Speaker A: Feels real bad. But another Browns news several Browns players were able to represent at the Pro bowl games this past weekend. Miles Garrett was out there wearing his Gilligan style hat and shades like he has for years at the Pro Bowl. Denzel Ward made a sick, nasty, one handed, toe tapping catch for an interception in the corner of the end zone during a flag football game.
Cool. Wyatt teller out there flipping monster truck tires like it's nothing. J-O-K. Styling and profiling as per usual.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: He won some kind of award, like GQ.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: Best dressed in the NFL or whatever. I forget what it's actually called, but it was from GQ, so I think we should just start calling him jokgqokgq. Yeah. Okay. So many letters.
[00:28:02] Speaker B: Put that on a shirt.
[00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And then he gave me an idea.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: The Alphabet. People are going to think we're making fun of them.
[00:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And then David Najoku having as much fun as he always does. He's just kind of clowning around with everybody. And really all of these guys kind of looked like they had a great time out there. I mean, that's really what the Pro bowl is about, is the players being able to have fun and just enjoy themselves.
[00:28:24] Speaker B: As much as I hate it, we'll talk more about the Pro bowl in a second. But as much as I hate, like, I think the NFL has a formula that works enough that they're going to keep this thing going.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Because, I mean, nobody expects this to bring in the fans like normal games do, but it's something to keep the fans interested in between that last playoff game and the Super bowl.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: And there is something to seeing them interact with each other, just like, off the football field, just like having, like, you see a different side of these.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: Yep. But David Ojoku also had a moment during the Pro bowl games where he showed that he's truly Cleveland through and through, and he's one of us. I don't know if you saw this or not, but the players were all sitting around, not exactly sure what they were doing. I think it was some part of some sort of madden thing or another. And they were all getting interviewed. I don't know. It's pro games. They do weird stuff.
But anyways, Micah Parsons was asked about CJ Stroud, and he said, in the middle of his answer, unprompted, that he showed why Cleveland is Cleveland. And that didn't sit well with Najoku.
He immediately cut him off and he.
Whoa, whoa. And he told him, he said, one thing you got to understand is he says Cleveland is Cleveland. But we're both here. We're both playing Madden right now, so you got to make it make sense.
Micah tried to come back at him after that and talk some more shit, but Najoku trying to be lyrical because apparently he quoted a song or something, I don't know. And Najoku said, I'm not being lyrical. Am I lying? And then it started to get kind of heated. Tyreek Hill. Yeah. You could tell that he was really upset by the comment. Tyreek Hill even came to Najoku's defense, jumped in and said, I mean, he's got a point.
So for a second, I thought Najoku was just going to throw hands. I thought it was going down, but especially with the way his voice sounded, he sounded legitimately like pissed.
[00:30:20] Speaker B: Dallas also lost on wildcard weekend, didn't they?
[00:30:22] Speaker A: Right? Yeah, well, that's the other thing. Like, bro, the Cowboys ain't won since the 90s, so you all have a drought, basically, as long as the brown. What are you talking about?
You were just barely born the last time the Cowboys won.
[00:30:35] Speaker B: Mike, I probably wasn't even born.
[00:30:36] Speaker A: Probably not.
But, yeah, I mean, it was a moment, and I really enjoyed watching it because I was like, man, this whole season, Najoku has really grown on me as far as just being a Cleveland Brown.
We talk about three years ago with Stefanski, and he was wanting. When Stefanski first came on, he wanted out. He demanded his trade, whatever. Stefanski talked to him, convinced him to stay. One of the best things Stefanski's probably done as a head coach.
That and probably just his coaching job this year through the injuries.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Well, the front office probably helped, too, because they said, you're under contract, we're not going to trade you.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but no, I mean, what a turnaround at that moment. That was probably a low for him. I think at the time, to be honest, most Cleveland Browns fans were like, whatever.
But now to come full circle, he's playing as well as he is. He's kind of right on the verge of being one of the premier tight ends in all of football, and I think he could still get there. He's got some good year, obviously, some good years left.
And then for things like this, on top of earlier in the year, he had the accident with the bonfire at home and played the very next day with third degree burns. I mean, just so many things he has done over the course of the last couple of years. Here to endear himself to fans coming.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: Out without a shirt on was zero degrees outside.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah, things like that. I mean, you constantly see him. He's always one of the last guys in the stadium signing autographs. He makes it a point, especially finding the kids that are in the stands to go kind of hang out with them, take selfies, whatever he took shots after the jets game with fans.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: He grabbed that kid after they won their way into the playoffs. It was the brownsbackers kid.
[00:32:24] Speaker A: Yeah, we're going to the playoffs. He's done so many things to endear himself to Cleveland Browns. So this was just another one that I was like, man, I am really, really starting to like Najoku. I might have to get a Najoku jersey.
[00:32:36] Speaker B: Do you think Njoku is one of those guys that maybe makes his home Cleveland after his playing career?
[00:32:40] Speaker A: I think he is. Honestly, I think that he's really grown to love the city and the mean. I don't, don't. Here's the deal. I don't know Najoku personally, so I have no idea. But the way that he talks about Cleveland.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: But he at least came to her defense.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: Yeah. The way that he got fired up just from him simply saying Cleveland is.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I think those guys are tired of hearing that.
[00:33:00] Speaker A: Well, yeah, but, I mean, it was pretty cool to see, but he didn't waste any time either. It was right in the middle of the interview. But anyways, did anybody watch Pro bowl games?
[00:33:12] Speaker B: 55,000 at caving World Stadium. Sold out, crowd fair.
[00:33:16] Speaker A: So we'll talk more about those in a minute, but let's get back to the Browns. It came out this week that Alex Van Pelt was fired because Andrew Barry in ownership is unhappy with the progress that Deshaun Watson has made over the last two seasons. First of all, no shit. Color me, you guys, you just now are realizing that we haven't really had much progress.
And this is coming from a guy. We've talked about this.
I was, and still a believer in Deshaun Watson's game and what he can bring to the table.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: I mean, forget progress. There's been a regression.
[00:33:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And I would agree with, as a, as somebody who thinks the ability is still there, there has been a regression since he's come to, uh. And then second here, it's not a good sign when publicly they all talk about having all the confidence in the world that this was the right move and that Deshaun Watson is going to get it figured out and it's all gonna be for the best in the end. You guys will whatever, but now all of a sudden, we're firing mean, it's not know. I know you have a lot to say on this topic, so I think I'm just going to sit back and let you talk for a second. Me, I have a lot to mean. I just know that you were a.
[00:34:32] Speaker B: Look, here's the thing. Yeah, Deshaun Watson's here now. There's not a lot we can do about that. I think it's unfortunate that he has not played as well as any of us had anticipated. He has fallen out of favor even with the national sports media at this point. I mean, these guys are all kind of on the same train of, like, this guy's not what he used to be. You look at power ranking of the quarterbacks that come out from all the different news sources, and he's somewhere between 17 and 25, depending on the platform.
It's not good when you got guys that we don't really think about as being good quarterbacks that are being ranked ahead of him.
It just goes to show, like, how little he has done in a.
Again, I can belabor.
I wish Baker was still here. I thought we had something there with him.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: That's more where I was going with this.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: But he's gone. I mean, all Baker's done now is had a nice run in the playoffs, won the precision passing event at the Pro bowl, through the game winning touchdown. The Pro bowl flag football game. No big deal. He's just not any good.
But, yeah, Deshaun wasn't there.
[00:35:52] Speaker A: My only rebuttal to that tiny little rant that you just went on is as I kind of poked fun at Denzel Ward with his miraculous one handed catch, it wasn't a flag football game.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: But it was competitive.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: It was so competitive that each team scored like, 55 points.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it got competitive in the fourth quarter. Those guys really wanted to win at the end of the game.
[00:36:18] Speaker A: I'm not taking a knock at Baker more. So I was just saying, like, everybody played pretty well because it was the.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: Yeah, but Baker played the best because he won the quarterback carnival fair.
But look, Deshaun has been a disappointment. It makes sense that the front office is finally kind of taking some accountability and saying, this isn't what we thought we were getting into.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: He's not who we thought he was.
[00:36:45] Speaker B: And we have to course correct somewhere because we have to at least make it look like we're course correcting because we're kind of stuck with this guy, to be fair.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: I think, with, I mean, besides Kevin Stefanski, who's also known as a quarterback screw, that's one of the other quarterback gurus out there. So if anybody's going to be able to help Kevin Stefanski figure this whole thing out with him, hopefully it's Ken Dorsey.
[00:37:11] Speaker B: Yeah, again. And we talked about Ken Dorsey a little bit recently in terms of just not only has he been a good coach in the NFL, I mean, this dude was an absolute player. He was 38 and two, I think, as a starter in college, is one of the most prolific quarterbacks to ever play the game, a national champion, and has seen tremendous talent come through. You think about the teams that played at the U while he was there and the talent that was mean. The guy knows football, so I'm confident that he's going to be just fine as an offense coordinator. I just don't know. Again, because if he's not calling the plays, how much say does he even have in this offense outside of schematically saying, hey, Kevin, I think we should do this?
[00:37:54] Speaker A: Yeah, and I don't know the answer to that. I mean, that's all stuff that we're not going to find out until the season starts. So we're a long way away from that. I will say this, though, being an Ohio state fan, I don't like that you just refer to them as the dumb.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: Sorry, that's what they're called.
[00:38:10] Speaker A: That's dumb.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: Is it not what they're called?
[00:38:12] Speaker A: It's Miami.
[00:38:13] Speaker B: It's the University of Miami.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: They're Miami.
[00:38:16] Speaker B: I mean, back in the day when he was there, they were the U.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Yeah, they're not anymore, though. They suck.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: Well, yeah, they're trash now, but anyways, all of college is trash now because of nil, and the way they haven't.
[00:38:25] Speaker A: Been able to manage Nil is dope ass because Ohio State just got to reload after they lost so many people. They didn't just reload, they came back so much stronger. They're probably going to be favored to win the national or at least two next year.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: It's kind of like, if I were the king of England, it would be a good thing.
And I'm not saying Nil is a bad thing. Nil is the best thing that's happened to college football. What's bad about it is college football hasn't been able to react to it in any way that makes sense because you look at the coach turnover and the player turnover, it's like all of a sudden these guys are going to be playing for three and four teams by their seniors.
[00:38:55] Speaker A: How do you even keep Nil is not necessarily the problem. The problem is the way that they've restructured the transfer portal and for any reason whatsoever, you can leave.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah, you're basically a free agent at any.
Could Ohio State could name their quarterback the starter tomorrow and then like Ellis, you could call and be like, oh, that guy's good enough to start Ohio State. We're going to pay him double what he's making in Il and bring him here.
[00:39:19] Speaker A: Okay, well, that exact scenario can't happen because the windows closed for him to transfer right now. But if Ryan day got fired tomorrow, then everybody could transfer again, right? Like there's always something that could happen to open the window. But anyways, I digress. I don't know how we got onto that. But anyways, a recent rumor has cropped up that I've seen talked about several times, so I just want to address it here. The rumor the Browns will cut Amari Cooper this offseason due to salary cap issues. His contract for 2024 is 20 million.
He's counting. 23.7 million against the cap would free up a lot of money. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Look, from what I can tell, I will say this. There's been absolutely no credible source that has come out and corroborated this and said they're actually considering this.
[00:40:01] Speaker B: It would be like if we came out and said tomorrow.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: Yeah, matter of fact, I think I am going to start one of these rumors soon, just so everybody talks about it. But no, it's been picked up by several major news places now. So I figured we should talk about.
[00:40:14] Speaker B: The fact is that the Browns are in a cap pinch, which we expect them to do some work on the back end, converting salaries to roster bonuses, those things. But the reality is they are in a bad spot with the cap.
And I think everybody's looking at it saying how do you move forward without cutting some of these players?
[00:40:33] Speaker A: Yeah, and I understand all that, but here's the deal. There'd be idiots to cut Amari Cooper of all players on this team, regardless of what his cap hit is next year.
And the reason I say that is because Amari Cooper, the last two seasons, 1160 yards, 1250 yards, all while catching passes mostly from Jacoby Brissette, PJ Walker and DTR, somehow still produced. Oh, and by the way, he was even better when playing with Deshaun Watson and Joe Flacco.
So you give him a quarterback that has some real skill throwing the ball, and Jacoby did a decent job of that as well. But you give him a quarterback that has some real skill throwing the ball and he has produced.
He's the best receiver, the most consistent and best receiver overall the Browns have had since their return in 1999. Why would you get rid of this dude?
[00:41:27] Speaker B: Because of the cap hit?
My only other rebuttal is that I expect them just like they did with the defense and defensive line a year ago to remake this wide receiver room this year. And if they go crazy in free agency and bring in five or six guys and you go, okay, well, we've got all this money invested in wide receiver. We just can't afford to keep Amari Cooper, then maybe he's gone. But I'm not saying I want him gone. I agree with you. I think he's the best receiver that we've had since the return of the Browns 99.
I would hate to see him go. I think he's a good character guy. I think he's a good locker room guy.
He's one of those kind of just show up and do my work kind of guys. It's like, it's good for the culture.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: He's literally the Nick Chubb of wide receivers.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:12] Speaker A: Not necessarily the greatest of all time in his position, but he just shows up, he works and he gets the job done.
[00:42:19] Speaker B: And he's not the greatest of all time in his position, but he's extremely good. He's been productive everywhere he's been.
[00:42:25] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:42:26] Speaker B: Including Cleveland with some trash ass quarterbacks. So, yeah, look, I hope they find a way to hang on to. I just. I do think they're going to remake this wide receiver room and it's not going to look anything like it does this year.
I think it started with Donovan peoples Jones last year as they're anticipating having to remake this room.
[00:42:44] Speaker A: I actually agree with you, but I think it's going to be basically everybody underneath him is going to be gone besides the two rookies. I'm sorry, David Bell and other rookie.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: Well, I can see David Bell not making the team next year. I mean, Cedric, Cedric around because he's a first year guy, but outside of him, I mean, all these guys that they brought in the last couple of years, Marquise Goodwin, he's going to be gone.
I'm trying to think of who everyone else was catching passes for us this year.
[00:43:11] Speaker A: That was Elijah Moore.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: Elijah Moore.
[00:43:14] Speaker A: He's going to be gone.
[00:43:15] Speaker B: He could be gone. They may see what they can get if they can round pick for him just because he wasn't productive this year. So, yeah, I think they're going to bring in a bunch of guys that have been productive elsewhere.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: Here's where we disagree is I don't think they are. I think that after all the restructures and everything with whatever cap space they have left, I don't necessarily know if it's going to be t Higgins, but it's going to be one of those upper tier receivers and they're going to count on it being Amari Cooper and this receiver.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: And that's like, I think they'll go big on name late on contract guys like Marquise Valdez scantling like that type of receiver. A guy like what's his name? From Pittsburgh that went to Kansas City last year.
I can't remember his name.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:11] Speaker B: The hell, the guy that said Cleveland is Cleveland.
[00:44:17] Speaker A: Who hasn't said Cleveland is?
[00:44:20] Speaker B: That's like, I think they're going to get those types of guys. You know their name, but they're not.
[00:44:24] Speaker A: Except for that guy. You don't know his name?
[00:44:26] Speaker B: Damn it. What's his fucking name?
[00:44:28] Speaker A: No, that was my point is I think that they're going to trim the fat in the wide receiver room and they're not going to fill it with a bunch of smaller names. They'll count on their rookies or their second year players and they will say, we're going to bring in one more name and have him be the number two on the opposite side of Amari Cooper and then just rely on all younger guys to fill in.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: I think there's at least four new receivers on this team come training camp and a training camp like roster time.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: We'll see. Does that count rookies, though? That's what they're going to. I think in the draft they're going to get some wide receivers.
[00:45:04] Speaker B: Maybe they get one. But you can't draft four rookie.
[00:45:08] Speaker A: I don't know. One time we drafted like so, and.
[00:45:10] Speaker B: It didn't work out very well.
[00:45:11] Speaker A: No, it did. Not at all.
[00:45:14] Speaker B: You just want David Bell to be a starter.
[00:45:16] Speaker A: He's the Venus flytrap.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: He's going to be gone.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: He might be. I hate to say it, but he might be. As soon as he starts catching passes elsewhere, I'll be like Venus Flytrap. Told you.
[00:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: Anyways, also, the rumor mill continues to spin faster than ever about Nick Chubb and the 12 million they can save by cutting him. You heard it here first. But two years ago. Yeah, but. Oh, well, I mean, we're just breaking news before it's news and you guys all forget to pay attention.
But look, I've started to brace myself for the inevitable.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: It's played out exactly as we said it would.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: Yeah, literally.
We already had this speculation before that even if he was healthy, but the fact that he got hurt, we said it was the absolute worst thing that could have, worst thing that could happen to Nick Chubb. And the only thing that could make.
[00:46:07] Speaker B: It worse is what they win without him. And they did and they did. Right. No team wants to pay running back. So you have that. They proved this year they could win with a bunch of trash ass running backs and mediocre at best play at quarterback as long as the defense was good. So it's like, why would they, if you're building based off of your previous results, why would you think and do anything different? You're going to continue to upgrade the defense and you're going to continue to plug holes in offense that don't revolve around your running game because they had a middling running game with an 800 yard back leading the way and they made it to the playoffs.
If they didn't have so many injuries, they probably would have been more competitive in playoffs. But that's a whole nother story. So as much as I don't want to see Nick Chubb go, we know that they don't want to pay him. We know that no team wants to pay running back and they've proven that they can win without.
[00:47:01] Speaker A: So he's coming off a major injury we're already talking about. I mean, that news is already broken, no pun intended. He's going to be out until probably at least week four.
And there's some places that are reporting even longer than that. They're saying, like midseason, you just don't.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: Know because it's the second time that that knee has been surgically reconstructed literally from the ground up. Everything in the knee was.
[00:47:34] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, all of those things play in the Browns favor as far as negotiations for contracts.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: Now, I do think Nick Chubb's a warrior. I do think he's a gym rat. He's going to come back and he's going to be healthy. He's not going to come back until he's healthy and ready, bro.
[00:47:48] Speaker A: If he's a gym rat, I never want to see a rat again because I would be terrified if rats looked like Nick Chubb.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: I can't talk to you.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: All right, go on.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: Let's just go around the NFL.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: All right.
[00:48:12] Speaker B: Tired of talking about Nick Chubb leaving. Makes me sad.
[00:48:14] Speaker A: It makes me sad, too. So let's recap the Pro bowl games again.
Did you watch this?
I'll be honest, I didn't watch much of it.
[00:48:27] Speaker B: Look, I'll say this again.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: I think you had to watch it. Sorry, I have to interrupt you. You had to watch it because you're the burning of sportscast, Pro bowl games correspondent. Yeah. So you have to watch it and you have to tell us who won everything.
[00:48:45] Speaker B: I'll say this, the weather, which was one of the big question marks heading in the weekend, held out. The weather was weather. Outside is weather for the game on Sunday, for the flag football game and the final events that took place on Sunday. They did find an indoor facility to run Thursday's events. So the catching of the balls and all those things that they do with the juggle machine all happened indoors. There was a small crowd, which I don't know who those people were because.
[00:49:12] Speaker A: Who are these people?
[00:49:13] Speaker B: Because there was no tickets. They must have been friends and family, I guess of players maybe that were sitting in the stands because everybody else.
[00:49:17] Speaker A: Are like what else are we going to do?
[00:49:19] Speaker B: There was no tickets available to that.
[00:49:20] Speaker A: We do this thing in Orlando.
[00:49:21] Speaker B: What else are we mean? But anyway, so there was a couple highlights. The punter for the Cowboys anger almost hit a hole in one at the closest to the pin competition.
Baker won the precision passing.
[00:49:36] Speaker A: I was going to say I saw your boy won precision passing. He also won offensive mvp of the flag football game.
Listen, before you go any further and continue recapping the Pro bowl games, I'll give it to Baker.
[00:49:50] Speaker B: You're going to give Baker props?
[00:49:51] Speaker A: I'm going to give him props. He capped off a career year with this. Again, the offensive mvp, the skills challenge win. So good job, Baker. You had yourself a year.
[00:50:02] Speaker B: He did have a funny line, too. They were interviewing after, I think after the precision passing event and they were talking know when you're missing throws, do you feel like you need just to get out there and practice more or do you just press more like on the field like you did today and you come up with some big targets and he thrown a I definitely need to practice more because the last pass I threw was to Derek Barnes and he doesn't play for us.
[00:50:27] Speaker A: Listen, I will give it to was he always had some good lines in his interviews so he was entertaining to watch in an interview when he wasn't complaining.
[00:50:40] Speaker B: Yes. That being said, the Pro bowl games in general were kind of a dud because the NFC won virtually every event. I think the AFC won the kick TAC toe competition and basically every other event was won by the NFC.
I don't know if the AFC guys just weren't taking it seriously. It seemed like the NFC had a lot more camaraderie.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: Who won last year?
[00:51:04] Speaker B: Yelling the NFC won the flag football game and everything last year?
The. But I'm talking about the actual individual competitions like the NFC won everything except for Tic tac toe.
The long snapper competition, there was an absolute bust.
[00:51:19] Speaker A: Isn't it funny how that works, too, because the AFC is seen as like the superior.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And they got Peyton Manning on their side and they're like the talent rich conference right now. I don't know what it was, but it just seemed like the guys on the, like, wanted to win versus the AFC guys were like, they just were there.
[00:51:36] Speaker A: We're just here to have fun.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, every event, like, the mean.
[00:51:40] Speaker A: I just mentioned a little bit the, all the Browns players, they kind of just looked like they were having fun the whole time. They didn't really like.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. Wyatt Teller kind of screwed up the tug of war for the AFC team when they did the first round because for whatever reason, he was the anchor. But for whatever reason, instead of just like, playing tug of war, he faced backwards and held the rope over his shoulder and thought like, that was how he was going to win. And it failed miserably. They lost, like, in the first 4 seconds.
None of these games were, like, particularly exciting.
[00:52:12] Speaker A: There was not so good at tug of war, but we did appreciate the Christmas card.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: Out of the three tug of war events which would take place, the NFC won the first two, so it was best two or three.
Dodgeball kind of went as you would expect.
Derek Henry was kind of a beast, but outside of that, it was just kind of a lame game of dodgeball.
Trying to think if there was, oh, the catch of the day competition or whatever. I think they might have to get rid of that because it was an absolute stinker.
Only one guy caught the ball, Puka Nakua caught it while he was wakeboarding.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: Cool.
[00:52:57] Speaker B: Yeah. And he had, like, Jimmy Claussen thrown in the ball for some reason, like Jimmy Claussen. Like, why?
[00:53:02] Speaker A: Just everything that you just said makes me never want to watch this competition.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: Jimmy Claussen was thrown in. Chad Henny was throwing the. David and Joku stop Benny. We couldn't stop Benny Henny and David and Joku missed all three of his attempts.
[00:53:15] Speaker A: Yeah, let's stop there for a second and just let's reminisce and be sad again about.
[00:53:20] Speaker B: I want to be sad about it.
[00:53:22] Speaker A: The Browns could not stop Chad Henny, fourth down away. We couldn't stop Chad Henny from getting.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: A first down from winning the divisional playoff game.
But anyway, Joku missed all three attempts as he tried to do some kind of backflip off of a zip line and have Chad henning throw him the ball. So he didn't even catch the ball.
And in fact, no one else caught the ball. So it was just Puka caught. The only, like, by default your winner is. There was like a fan vote to determine who the winner was, but it's like, how can you pick Njoku if he didn't catch the ball? So anyway, that was a lot of fun. So they have to rethink that event or something because that was a waste of everyone's time.
[00:54:05] Speaker A: Well, the things you just described are so elaborate. It's not even like you could practice this shit. I'm going to do a backflip off a zip line.
[00:54:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I was like, what are they doing? They were just like wild jet skiing and stuff, trying to catch football. So I was like, this is not like it was overdone and under delivered because no one caught the ball.
[00:54:24] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds like when you're that kid that's just trying so hard to be cool, but you do, like, the dumbest shit. Yeah, that's what that sounds like.
[00:54:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
The one where they move the wall where I didn't really understand until I watched it. That was kind of weird. But basically they just pushed a sled. The NFC won that again. The center snap competition, long snap competition was absolute disaster. Like, none of the guys who made it in the hole.
So that was pretty disappointing.
[00:54:57] Speaker A: I watched Jason Kelsey's and he literally made, like the last one. He was like, great, five points.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: He was like the bright spot of the whole thing. He was like the only one made it in the whole.
[00:55:05] Speaker A: He made one and he's not even.
[00:55:07] Speaker B: Like a long snapper, so he's just the center.
Good for him to at least just help out that thing.
But in general, again, the NFC came to play. The AFC kind of was there.
The AFC played much better in the first half of the flag football game. I think the score was something like 44 to 20, but the NFC had literally won every event up to that. So by the time they got to the fourth quarter, it was like a dead even heat and baker threw the game winning touchdown there and the AFC fizzled out.
[00:55:42] Speaker A: And the rest is history.
[00:55:43] Speaker B: The rest is history again.
I think they have enough of an event to keep this thing.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: They just need to build it out.
[00:55:52] Speaker B: And it'll continue to evolve. They'll get rid of some of the shitty stuff and replace it, hopefully with something new. But it was the Pro bowl games.
[00:56:01] Speaker A: Pro bowl games.
[00:56:02] Speaker B: That's all I have to say about that.
[00:56:04] Speaker A: That's all I have to say about that.
[00:56:09] Speaker B: I didn't love it no, wasn't great.
[00:56:12] Speaker A: They got better.
[00:56:15] Speaker B: I said earlier the highlight of it was when they replayed the Jason the Jeff Saturday Peyton Manning exchange from like six years ago.
[00:56:21] Speaker A: Hopefully they do continue to build on it, though, because we keep saying, why don't they get rid of this yet? And where that is true to an extent. It kind of suck to just not have anything the week between.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: Well, like I said, I think this format does allow for you to see a different side of the athletes, which is good. The game itself on Sunday was well attended and the weather did hold out, so that was good.
And it was kind of weird because they broke apart the game with some of the mini games in between each quarter.
I don't know.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: It's like football that's the problem, is it's not real football.
[00:56:58] Speaker B: I will say the game got more competitive as it went on and you could see some of these guys really trying. Some of the throws were just absolutely ridiculous to some of these guys.
So it was cool to see that.
[00:57:09] Speaker A: You know, why this will never.
[00:57:11] Speaker B: CJ Stroud had an absolute dime to Jamar Chase and they were kind of like dapping each other up and it turned into like an Internet firestorm that Jamar Chase wanted to go play with CJ Stroud and then Jamar had to go to Twitter X after they're just.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: Playing in a flag football game.
[00:57:29] Speaker B: And he was. Yeah, like, Pro bowl is fun, but Joey B. Is my guy. He's been my guy since college.
[00:57:34] Speaker A: We're bros. Yeah.
You know why this will never take off?
[00:57:43] Speaker B: Flag football?
[00:57:44] Speaker A: Yeah. You know what highlight I kept seeing of past Pro bowl game?
Of a past Pro bowl game over.
[00:57:52] Speaker B: The weekend when the punter got hit.
[00:57:54] Speaker A: When Sean Taylor lit up the punter. And there was multiple sports analysts that had tweeted it this weekend. And one of them, I can't remember the name and who actually sent it out, but he said this was one of the few times in my entire career that I actually jumped out of my seat and yelled because he made this hit in the Pro bowl.
[00:58:16] Speaker B: Mean, it's not the same. It's not the same.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: Even if it was hitting, you can't even do that. Like, he would have definitely been flagged.
[00:58:23] Speaker B: And this weekend they were up against the NHL all star game. And the NHL all star competition actually was pretty cool.
[00:58:30] Speaker A: It was cool. I watched some of. Was. Yeah, I didn't watch any of the Pro bowl games. I watched some of the NHL and it was pretty neat.
[00:58:37] Speaker B: It was actually good.
[00:58:38] Speaker A: Puck handling skills and stuff were pretty dope. And I don't even like hockey that much.
[00:58:43] Speaker B: And they had the Beebs out on the court.
[00:58:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:45] Speaker B: Or on a rink or whatever they call it.
[00:58:48] Speaker A: It belongs out there in an ice rink.
[00:58:50] Speaker B: In an ice rink.
[00:58:51] Speaker A: Does it belong?
Yeah, I mean, they have a figure. Maybe the NFL should call the NHL and say, can you help us out?
[00:59:00] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, something they just need to come up with better.
Some of it's good, but some of it's bad. They just need to get rid of, tweak it and get more.
[00:59:09] Speaker A: Was it better you watched last year in this year. So was it better this year than it was last year?
[00:59:13] Speaker B: It was better this year because it was more cohesive.
[00:59:16] Speaker A: It felt like it wasn't just thrown together at the last minute.
[00:59:18] Speaker B: Last year just felt like this is new and we don't really know what we're doing this year. It seemed like Peyton and Eli really have bought into this whole thing and they're trying to pump up their guys and get them ready and stuff. It's like I don't just got to come up with other stuff to get these guys doing things. I don't know.
[00:59:36] Speaker A: I think we've talked about the Pro bowl games for too long.
[00:59:38] Speaker B: In fact, I think Dan Arlofsky was in like a dry run.
Hit the most targets in the precision passing game he did.
[00:59:50] Speaker A: They showed that, that he beat every quarterback in the NFL.
[00:59:54] Speaker B: It was just like so they could get the cameras and things working like on the very first day that they were there and he was in a suit and a tie and just hit everything. It's like you're Dan Olofsky.
[01:00:04] Speaker A: Let's just stop real quick. And that dude has recovered so well from running out of the back of the end zone when he played. Oh, no. Yeah.
[01:00:10] Speaker B: He's made a fine name for himself as a commentator and a pundit and he's entertaining.
[01:00:16] Speaker A: He really knows what he's. I mean, he was an NFL quarterback at one point so he really knows what he's talking about, I think.
[01:00:22] Speaker B: Where do he play? Yukon. He's like the all time passing everything leader at Yukon, which like, okay, but you're still a major college and he was the best player ever to play there.
[01:00:31] Speaker A: Count the amount of people that played d one college football as a quarterback.
[01:00:34] Speaker B: He played in the NFL for twelve years. So as a quarterback you're seeing a lot of what's going on. It's not hard to imagine him being a good commentator based on his experience, for sure.
[01:00:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
But anyways, we'll move on from the Pro bowl games. Hopefully they make some more tweaks and this continues to get better because again, it would be sad to not have football between the conference championship games and.
[01:00:57] Speaker B: Gives you something to talk about. I guess the only thing that I hate about it is just the same stuff that has always been a problem is that you don't end up with the actual Pro bowlers.
[01:01:10] Speaker A: I think he was snubbed in the first place, but like J-O-K should have never been out there. He was like 4th, 5th selection. Everybody didn't want to do it, so he was like, okay, I'm in.
[01:01:19] Speaker B: When Gardner Minshew is.
[01:01:21] Speaker A: And it's weird that they still count that as a Pro bowl selection for the people that were there originally and the people that get in later.
[01:01:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it's weird when Gardner Minshew is throwing passes of the Pro bowl, you're kind of like, is this the best?
[01:01:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
But next up here and around the NFL, Patrick Mahomes dad was arrested for DWI this week. This will be his 6th DW. You heard that right? 6th DWI arrest since 2012. And if convicted it would be his third conviction and he faces up to ten years in prison. So I guess my only question here is between his dad and his brother. It's amazing. Patrick Mahomes seems to be as good a dude as he is and as successful as he is because they've tried at every turn to just bring him.
[01:02:12] Speaker C: Mean.
[01:02:12] Speaker B: This is wild to me.
Put yourself in Patrick Mahomes's shoes for a second.
[01:02:18] Speaker A: His reputation is like as squeaky clean as they like.
[01:02:22] Speaker B: It's. It's not like he doesn't get along with his dad. His dad's at all the games, by all counts, appears to be a supportive father figure in his life. It's not like he's the estranged dad.
[01:02:33] Speaker A: No.
[01:02:35] Speaker B: He was also an MLB pitcher for, I think a decade. So it's not like he a, doesn't probably have money himself b, his son has more money than God after number one or number two. You don't go like, hey, dad, I'm going to get you a personal driver.
[01:02:52] Speaker A: Right?
[01:02:53] Speaker B: How much would it cost to have somebody drive?
[01:02:54] Speaker A: Why do you even have a car anymore?
[01:02:56] Speaker B: Drive dad around. Clearly he keeps getting into trouble. I have a 500 million dollar contract.
These athletes, they hit it big. They make it to the pros and they buy their mom houses and cars and things. Like if my dad keeps getting arrested for drunkenly driving, how is that not.
[01:03:16] Speaker A: We should probably not let him drive anymore.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: How is it not like they're probably.
[01:03:19] Speaker A: One, we should probably get him help for his alcoholism, and two, we should probably not let him drive anymore.
[01:03:24] Speaker B: What's Jackson Mahomes doing to earn his keep? Like, send him down to Dallas or wherever his dad lives and let him drive him around?
[01:03:29] Speaker A: That's probably a bad idea too, because then he'd get out and assault women. True.
[01:03:35] Speaker B: But seriously, put yourself in Patrick Mahomes'shoes and go like, I have a dad that wants to be supportive, wants to come to all my games. Why am I not doing something to take care of him? Clearly he has a problem with the drink.
[01:03:47] Speaker A: You got to get him off the drink.
[01:03:48] Speaker B: I don't think you can get him off the drink, but how hard would it be to hire a driving service?
[01:03:54] Speaker A: I agree with you.
[01:03:55] Speaker B: To give dad a card that says, call this number when you need a ride home and you've drank too much.
[01:03:58] Speaker A: I agree with you. This whole thing is kind of mind blowing to me. Just the fact that it's gotten this far.
[01:04:03] Speaker B: I just can never understand the guys that have like four and five and six DWI. How does that happen? You get nabbed once. Look, we've all been actually for that.
[01:04:12] Speaker A: I point to a flaw in the system because judges that see that you've even. It's ridiculous to me that this is his 6th arrest, possibly his third conviction. So you're telling me half the time this dude gets off even though he has a record of drunk driving?
Okay, I think we should put a new rule in place to where, like the. And I don't really know how you police this. I'm not a politician, so don't actually take this and think that this is a real thing. But where these judges, they let these people go after their 3rd, 4th, 5th offense, and then they get another DWI, but this time it's because they killed somebody in a car accident. Like, that judge should probably go to jail too, because what the hell are you doing letting them back out in the public?
[01:04:54] Speaker B: I mean, to be honest, you're not very far off of where we are in today's society. That kid that was the shooter in Michigan, they're trying his parents because they're saying, well, you didn't shoot anybody, but your kid did. And you should have been responsible for making sure he was not neglected and killing like, I don't. Yeah, why would a judge not be able to. If you put a drunken driver back on the street that killed somebody, why would you not share accountability in that? Yeah, I mean, that's fair.
[01:05:21] Speaker A: Especially because a lot of these cases, what's weird about them is if you go back all across the United States, if you look at some of these cases where people have multiple DWis, it's the same judge that's letting them off time and time again.
I don't know.
[01:05:36] Speaker B: I just don't understand.
I can get how it could happen to anybody once you end up in a bad spot and you drank more than you thought and you tried to drive home and you got caught. But after the first time I got.
[01:05:48] Speaker A: A DWI, I'd, like, never drink if I was driving ever again. Ever again.
[01:05:52] Speaker B: Not going to take a trip because it's such a shit show when it happens.
[01:05:55] Speaker A: I'd be like, hey, I had a beer. Can somebody drive me home?
[01:05:57] Speaker B: Yeah. There's no chance that after the first.
[01:06:00] Speaker A: How do you. It's 2024. I'd call a fucking Uber.
[01:06:04] Speaker B: Yeah, call an Uber. Yeah, that would have been hard.
[01:06:07] Speaker A: Or if your son is rich, you talk about them having money. Why does he even need a personal driver? It's 2024. Call an Uber. True. Yeah.
[01:06:15] Speaker B: We probably didn't want to leave his Ferrari at the bar that night or wherever he was, but, like, there we go.
[01:06:21] Speaker A: New business idea. You go and pick up the Ferraris for the rich people.
[01:06:25] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. I mean, it should be entered. It's just a driving service for mean again, put yourself on Patrick Mahomes'spot. How are you not doing something to help your dad?
[01:06:38] Speaker A: It begs the question, how good is his relationship with his dad? But, I mean, that's.
[01:06:41] Speaker B: He's in all the games and everything.
[01:06:43] Speaker A: So I don't just. It's crazy to me that so much turmoil around Patrick Mahomes and even still squeaky clean. Yeah.
[01:06:51] Speaker B: He's still dad bod and all.
[01:06:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
Pillsbury doughboy over there. I'm not poking fun. I got the same dad bod. Mine's probably way worse than his, let's be honest.
[01:07:00] Speaker B: No, but it's just amazing because you look him on the field and he's, like, this tremendous athlete, and then when he had a shirt off in the locker room, you're, like, just a normal guy. He and Miles Garrett play the same game.
[01:07:14] Speaker A: Yeah, he and Metcalf play the same game. DK Metcalf play the same game.
[01:07:22] Speaker B: And they're both, like, really good at their position.
What?
[01:07:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, he is the premier talent in the entire National Football League.
[01:07:32] Speaker B: Nipples point in, bro.
[01:07:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
But anyways, I digress. No more nipple talk.
Cliff Kingsbury. Speaking of nipples was widely reported as the OC to the Raiders, but then at the last second, he turned coat on them over the weekend and signed with the commandos, as you call them, the commanders.
Walk us through this, Kenny, because I know that you were fascinated by this story.
[01:08:03] Speaker B: It's a bizarre story. I mean, first off, part of this is Antonio Pierce is building out his coaching staff.
Cliff Kingsbury was, for whatever reason, was a big win. I don't know why Cliff Kingsbury is so sought after, because he kind of like whiffed his first go round in the NFL with Kyler Murray and that team, but still a very highly respected offensive mind and was a big win for the Raiders when they got him. Apparently what broke down was after he had agreed in principle to be their OC, there was a disagreement on the contract, and it sounds like it came down to the Raiders offered him two years and he wanted three. Which three is like the standard that pretty much everybody that's been hired in this cycle as an offensive or defensive coordinator got is a three year deal and he wanted three and they wouldn't budge from two. And he said, seems like such a.
[01:09:00] Speaker A: Silly thing to lose an offensive coordinator over is that one year, the way that NFL teams spend money and you're going to lose this guy over one year in his contract.
[01:09:10] Speaker B: I mean, the only thing that I can think is that the Davis family has been burned.
[01:09:14] Speaker A: I was going to say that had to come directly from the owner, right?
[01:09:17] Speaker B: The Davis family has been burned by coaches.
[01:09:19] Speaker A: They're still paying half their coaches from.
[01:09:20] Speaker B: The last decade, paying, know, like after that whole mess. And he's probably like, we have to put an end to this. I heard earlier in the day they were talking about, someone was talking about the tenure of offensive coordinators across the NFL, and since 2021, every one of them has been replaced. So if the Raiders are looking at this long term, saying like, we got to set a new precedent. We're not going to bring coordinators because the turnover is so high. These guys are in and out.
If you go as a first year coordinator like Dave Canalis this year in Tampa Bay, he a good year, he's head coach now. So it's like you're either out because you're fired because you suck, or you're out because someone else hired you.
[01:10:06] Speaker A: It is funny that you mentioned since 2021, everyone's been replaced because everybody likes to shit on the Browns and their coaching staff always turning over and whatever else, but the head coaching one is a whole different story. But the coordinators, that's normal all the time. I hear about, well, these players had to play under five different coordinators in five different years. That's actually fairly normal across the NFL, especially if you're a good team. It's actually more rare when you're a bad team because they try and give them a couple of years to figure.
[01:10:39] Speaker B: Out if you're good.
[01:10:40] Speaker A: You usually get poached for a head coaching. Like everybody does that anyway.
[01:10:47] Speaker B: It's strange that they would have died on that hill if they really wanted clip.
[01:10:51] Speaker A: Well, they did.
[01:10:52] Speaker B: They're dead and they did. And now all of a sudden there's questions about Antonio Pierce and can he build a staff? Does he have the clout to build a.
Because, like, you lost out to Dan Quinn and the like. That's not good.
[01:11:05] Speaker A: No. Well, yeah, I mean, just look at how bright the future of both of those. Just on the surface is both those organizations is. And I'm definitely going with the Raiders every time.
[01:11:15] Speaker B: The Raiders have a great defense and they're essentially a quarterback away from being competitive. The problem is they play in a division with the Kansas City Chiefs, which are phenomenal, and Jim Harbaugh is now in. So, like, those two teams are going to be good for the next decade.
[01:11:30] Speaker A: Speaking of Antonio Pearson, whether or not he could be an actual head coach, I predict he'll be fired in a year or two, probably because he's a Raiders coach. Yeah, just because. All those reasons you just said, I instantly think they're going to lose almost every game next year. I take it back. I'm going with the commanders and who.
[01:11:45] Speaker B: Else is in their division? Denver. Denver could be good if they get things figured.
[01:11:50] Speaker A: Denver's a shit show, man. But anyway, that's the team I love to shit on. I don't know why, because Russell Wilson's washed.
[01:11:57] Speaker B: Speaking of the commandos, one other interesting point that I heard today was that Eric Banami is not going to be brought back as the offensive coordinator.
[01:12:04] Speaker A: Speaking of offensive coordinator, turnover.
[01:12:07] Speaker B: Well, it's interesting because Eric Banami was a guy that was in Kansas City forever, right, with this iteration of the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, and everybody was like, when is this guy going to get a shot? And the thought, the predominant thinking at the time was because he was african american. Like he wasn't getting a fair shake.
And then he went to Washington last year to be like, I can prove that I can do this without Pat Mahomes, Andy Reid, and then they kind of were ass.
And now he's out of a job altogether. It's just funny because for almost a decade, he was like, he's the next big offensive mind to be like a head coach and he never got a shot. Goes to Washington for a year and now you're.
[01:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah, things change quickly in the NFL. Speaking of which, all the.
Actually, before we get there, there's some more news out of Las Vegas. We were talking about Patrick Mahomes, all these guys being in Vegas, Antonio Pierce, whatever. 49 ers not happy with the practice turf at UNLV while the Chiefs are practicing, of course, at the Raiders facility.
This is pretty wild. First of all, I don't understand all the time of the day, you can't find time for both of them to practice at the Raiders practices together? No.
Don't you know that these teams practice 12 hours a day leading up to the Super bowl?
[01:13:26] Speaker B: Look, I don't know what their schedules look like during this week. Obviously, this week is a frenzy because you have media days and everything else that goes along with everything and let alone they're in Las Vegas. So I don't even know how you get half the guy.
[01:13:41] Speaker A: I was going to say, how do you even find half your team?
[01:13:43] Speaker B: Most of the time, Doug's on the roof again.
But apparently, yeah, when I first saw this too, I was like, man, that kind of sucks for the 49 ers. Like they're going to play at a college campus, but I guess this college campus at UNLV, the football stadium and the facility is brand new, state of the art. They spent like 200 or $250,000,000 renovating this whole.
[01:14:04] Speaker A: It's a lot of money.
[01:14:04] Speaker B: So it's like a brand new, beautiful facility. It's probably nicer than the Raiders facility, to be honest, but apparently there's an issue with the turf?
[01:14:11] Speaker A: Well, the Raiders is a brand new multi million dollar facility too.
[01:14:14] Speaker B: True, but I think UNLV's is even newer than fair.
[01:14:18] Speaker A: Raiders gone.
[01:14:20] Speaker B: But apparently this doesn't sound like it's a UNLV problem either. This isn't like their facility is a facility. It sounds like it's more to do with the team that is in charge of regulating and making sure that the practice facilities are similar because I think they have turf and their practice facility, UNLV, they went in and laid sod over so they would have natural grass to practice on. And apparently that was the issue is that it's spongy and they can feel the seams where they just laid the sod.
[01:14:52] Speaker A: You mean to tell me if you lay sod over turf and not like grass.
[01:14:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And the thing is genius, genius, genius. If you were in charge of that piece, you wouldn't have probably laid saw last week, right? Like you probably done it like a month ago, like when UNLB was done.
[01:15:11] Speaker A: Then it has a chance to potentially grow together a little meshes because at.
[01:15:17] Speaker B: The end of the day, this is the Super bowl.
This isn't, Kent stated Akron.
[01:15:25] Speaker A: Don'T you dare devalue the wagon, the wagon wheel.
[01:15:29] Speaker B: But in all seriousness, this is the pinnacle of the game.
You had the two best teams playing on primetime and as biggest stages. And it's just not the kind of noise that you want to hear the week of the Super bowl that they're going to have one more thing to complain about or blame their performance on. Like, well, we had to practice on this shit turf all week and the Chiefs got the NFL facility.
[01:15:53] Speaker A: No, not something you want to hear. And I just don't understand why they don't practice. Just figure it out.
[01:15:58] Speaker B: There's been way too much conversation this year specifically and last year even about turf.
Can we either just go grass or go turf and call it a day?
[01:16:07] Speaker A: I think that's the biggest problem is they just need to stop dancing around it and the entire NFL needs to go grass. That's what needs to happen. Because it's weird that the players say it's safer. Even the NFL acknowledges it's safer, but then they refuse to make it a rule that everybody has to have grass. Yeah, doesn't make any sense.
[01:16:24] Speaker B: We don't just say football is an outside game and it's played on grass. Done.
[01:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Not to mention that you, I don't know if you remember the. I think it was the World cup for the women last year.
They made sure that everything was on natural grass. Like even NFL stadiums that had turf. To your point that you were just talking about, the UNLV had grass laid over top of them, but then they went and ripped up that grass for the turf when the NFL players got out to them, even though it's been proven to be safer.
[01:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah, makes sense.
[01:16:54] Speaker A: Doesn't make any sense. But anyways, finally here and around the league, around the NFL, with Seattle and Washington filling their head coaching vacancies, Bill Belichick and Mike Vrabel are officially out as NFL head coaches this year. Barring something crazy.
[01:17:12] Speaker B: You know, we talked a little bit about this a couple times. Like the end of an era. I mean, for Belichick especially, you go.
[01:17:18] Speaker A: From being arguably the goat to literally, you can't find a job. There was six head coaching vacancies, and nobody wanted the goat.
[01:17:27] Speaker B: And I think his son just took a job in college. Coach. All these guys were waiting on Bill to get hired that were assistants in New England, and now they're like, well, shit, I got to have a paycheck.
[01:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:17:40] Speaker B: Brable's another one that surprised me because it seemed like he was pretty well.
[01:17:44] Speaker A: Respected around the brable's defense. Fucking Henry just fell off a cliff this year. Well, yeah, he was not good.
[01:17:53] Speaker B: Well, and they had issues at quarterback, right? I mean, they did a long time coming because Ryan Tannehill was kind of never a premier pass.
[01:18:01] Speaker A: They never had a great quarterback.
I think the bigger thing is Derek Henry couldn't. I mean, he averaged like 2.3 yards of carry or something stupid this year.
[01:18:10] Speaker B: I mean, you can't be that big.
[01:18:12] Speaker A: Forever when that's your whole game as being that physical.
[01:18:17] Speaker B: The amazing thing about him was he was always fast, too. Right?
He wasn't just your own Bettis. He was big and strong and fast.
That triumvirate, you only get so many years of that before one of those things starts to fall off. You can't be the biggest, fastest, strongest forever.
[01:18:34] Speaker A: Yep. I don't want to take it back to our boy, but that's why there's questions with Nick Chubb rights. But with that, even though we managed to somehow talk for an hour, you guys probably hate us right now.
A light week of football news, and so that'll conclude our trip around the NFL. Kenny, I've got a Brownsbackers guest whose chapter is kind of a big deal right now. You want to talk to him? You do.
[01:18:56] Speaker B: Why are they a big deal?
[01:18:57] Speaker A: You'll find out. So something that we started doing this year is our brownsbackers interview series. What we wanted to do is highlight the brownsbackers from around the country and around the world, even. We wanted to do this for several reasons. One, obviously, everybody knows that the Brownsbackers are diehard Browns fans. They show up, they watch the team rain or shine. We could be good, we could be bad. They're going to be there watching the team and supporting every single game. But we also wanted to highlight what most people may not know about the brownsbackers, and that's the amount of charity work and community service that they do in their respective communities. So, with that, let's go ahead and get into the next interview in the series.
Okay, so we are back with the Brownsbackers interview series this week, and we are lucky enough to be able to talk with Robert from the Naples Brownsbackers. Robert, thanks for joining us. How are you today?
[01:20:19] Speaker C: I'm good, guys. How are you? Thanks for having.
[01:20:24] Speaker A: Thanks. Thanks for taking the time. I know everybody's busy, especially it's Super bowl week. I'm sure everybody's planning big Super bowl parties, so we really appreciate it. But before we really get into everything, I understand that your chapter won a major award this year. Can you tell us about it?
[01:20:39] Speaker C: We did. We are the Cleveland Browns 2023 chapter of the year for all the Browns backers clubs in the world.
[01:20:52] Speaker A: Nice. That's awesome. So what exactly.
Kind of explain that to us. How does the backers chapter of the year get chosen, and what does it all mean?
[01:21:02] Speaker C: There's a president's leadership council that's made up of ten different chapter presidents from around the country, and they all get the applications in. They pick their top three that they send on to the Browns, and then the Browns leadership and the Browns backers get together and pick the winner based on community involvement and different charitable things that they do.
[01:21:30] Speaker A: Nice. So it actually probably means even more that you're being chosen by your peers, other presidents across the brownsbackers.
[01:21:39] Speaker B: Very cool.
[01:21:41] Speaker A: So, no, I mean, that's an awesome honor. We feel honored to have you on the show.
[01:21:46] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:21:47] Speaker A: We get to talk to the Brownsbackers chapter of the year and the president of it and the guy that makes everything run. So that's. That's pretty.
Why don't you. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your chapter, Robert? Okay.
[01:21:59] Speaker C: Well, we're the Naples Brownsbackers. We're down in Naples, Florida.
Locationally, it's directly across from Miami. So if you're looking at a map, we're just an hour and a half west of Miami, and we have 286 active members in our chapter. We average about 100 to 120 a week during the football season. And we meet at Pelican Larry's with raw bar and grill down here in Naples, Florida, and just love watching the Browns. A lot of people retire down to Florida, so just to be able to get together and watch the Browns is basically what we're.
[01:22:44] Speaker A: Pelican. Was it Pelican Larry's?
[01:22:47] Speaker C: Did you say Pelican Larry's? We're all bar.
[01:22:49] Speaker A: And they have. They kind of give you your own room, or do you guys get the entire bar with that many people?
[01:22:57] Speaker C: We have half of the bar. It's a private room that they can section off. It's all decorated Browns and Ohio State, actually.
But the last three games of the year, starting with the Thursday night game versus the jets and then the Christmas Eve game and the playoff game.
Basically, the bar was pretty much all Browns fans. We had over 300 people each week, and it was pretty crazy.
[01:23:25] Speaker B: Those are tremendous numbers.
[01:23:26] Speaker A: We should have went down to Naples for the last few weeks of the season.
[01:23:31] Speaker B: So, Robert, you mentioned that a lot of people retire, move to Florida, where it's warmer. Are you originally from the northeast Ohio area or are you a lifelong Naples resident?
[01:23:42] Speaker C: No, I was born and raised in Canton.
[01:23:46] Speaker A: Nice.
[01:23:47] Speaker C: Lifelong Browns fam. My family still lives in Canton. I did move to Florida 38 years ago when I was ten years old, but never got rid of the sports bug from northeast Ohio. So, still an Indians fan, if that's still politically correct to say.
Still a Browns fan.
[01:24:10] Speaker B: It's a hard bug to.
[01:24:15] Speaker A: Really. Bug is actually a good word to use because it just gets in there.
[01:24:18] Speaker B: Burrows in no matter where you go afterwards.
[01:24:22] Speaker A: Yeah, you're stuck with it. It's like a parasite, but I guess it does just drain you.
No, I mean, it's a great time. And that's awesome that you're still holding on to that after so many years away from the state. It kind of speaks to the type of sports fans that come out of Ohio here.
[01:24:41] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[01:24:41] Speaker A: Rabid, right? But no. So you're down there in Florida, you're in Naples. Is your chapter involved with any community service or charity work?
[01:24:51] Speaker C: Our biggest charity is avow kids. Avow Hospice is the hospice center. Down here. They have a separate kids section, which is who we sponsor. Every year. We do different fundraisers for them. We have a cornhole tournament every year, a golf outing, everything that we do each week with 50 things like that during the season, with the money we raise, we buy Christmas presents for all the kids in the program.
But just because the kid gets a present, we kind of felt that everybody in the house should get a present. So we make sure that everybody in the household gets a gift so that nobody's left out.
We also buy them gift cards so they can cook a meal for Christmas this year, because the Browns have the barking backers.
We hosted our first ever barking backers on the patio at Pelican Larry's where members brought their dogs, and we had a photographer and things like that. Humane society was out. We got some dogs and cats adopted, so we try and do a lot within our community.
[01:26:00] Speaker A: Have you signed Kai up yet?
[01:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I need to sign mine up.
[01:26:04] Speaker A: Cash is signed up. Cash is Brown's, Barker's backer. Barker, whatever it's called. Cash is one of them.
[01:26:12] Speaker C: My dog Sadie is one also.
[01:26:15] Speaker A: Nice.
[01:26:16] Speaker B: That's a ton of events and things that you put on there. So I know that as we've gone through and we've talked to backers all over the country all season long, throughout, we kind of followed the Browns around the country and where they were playing. We see organizations that are kind of big and small, but that's a ton of sounds like effort and work. Do you have a board that helps you put on these things, or are you just kind of the man of the hour? You just make everything go?
[01:26:39] Speaker C: We do. We have a leadership board.
I have five gentlemen that help me out tremendously.
If I could give them some kudos. John Gardner is my vice president.
Nick is my sergeant at arms. Jonas my treasurer. John Meehan was our former president and the one that actually started the club back in 2010 when he stepped away. He's now our team manager, but still helps me out tremendously with different things.
[01:27:12] Speaker A: Nice. So you started in 2010. You're already this large from at least our experience interviewing the brownsbackers. You're one of the larger groups out there, so that's pretty impressive.
[01:27:24] Speaker C: Well, like I said, we have a lot of people that move down here, and it's a big contingent down here from Ohio.
[01:27:34] Speaker B: You mentioned you guys put on a golf outing every year. Where's that held at?
[01:27:39] Speaker C: Usually it's held at Valencia Golf and Country Club, which is our local golf club here. This year we're changing it up just a little bit. We're going to a bigger golf club, the Strand, so that we have more opportunity for more sponsorships. They actually have a clubhouse and just a lot more things we can do so that we can raise even more money than what we have in the past.
[01:28:07] Speaker B: Nice. When is that?
[01:28:10] Speaker C: It's the second Saturday in August this year. I do not have the date in front of me.
[01:28:14] Speaker A: Got you.
And besides that, obviously the offseason is basically upon us at this point. Are there any upcoming events this offseason that you're hosting or looking forward to besides the golf event in March?
[01:28:28] Speaker C: We have an ECHL hockey league down here just right up the street, so we always do a Brownsbackers night with them. This year we have one coming up on March 23.
This year we're doing a summer golf league that'll be on Sunday afternoons when we would all be meeting for football.
That's going to go from June and July, and then we'll have August, which starts preseason.
We used to have a draft party. But as you know, the Browns don't have any first round draft picks the last few years, so we haven't had a draft party in a few years.
[01:29:08] Speaker A: Hit quite as fair.
[01:29:12] Speaker C: But when the Browns were always picking first or second, our parties were pretty big.
[01:29:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I can imagine.
[01:29:21] Speaker B: Do you have your own merchandise and is there somewhere that folks can look.
[01:29:24] Speaker C: At and purchase that we have it? We don't sell it online or anything like that. It's usually just available during game days.
We have t shirts and things like that that we sell. And then of course all the proceeds go to about.
[01:29:43] Speaker A: Mean, you just mentioned the draft and that's actually kind of a good segue here. So I want to talk to you a little bit about the football side of things for the, you know, like I just mentioned, the season's about to be upon us. And before we get into future mean, what were your thoughts on this past season for the Cleveland Browns and how things ended up for them?
[01:30:06] Speaker C: I really couldn't be any prouder of the Browns. I mean, to go through five quarterbacks, Chubb going out second game of the year and all the different injuries. I mean, we almost had a complete offense and half a defense on injured reserve at any one time.
For them to be able to go eleven and five and pretty much with four weeks left in the season to still be in talk for AFC north champion, I mean, we haven't had that in a long time, so I couldn't be more prouder of the team and what they were able to accomplish with what they.
[01:30:54] Speaker A: It was, it was an awesome thing to watch all season and pretty remarkable how they just, it didn't matter who went down. It was next man up mentality. Like, I've never seen it before, not only with the Browns, but with any team I've ever seen.
[01:31:11] Speaker B: I'm still having trouble just even describing it.
It's just so rare that we have such a special season. Like the words where it's fun to watch and the team's competitive all year long, but the way they got there was just so remarkable.
[01:31:25] Speaker A: Well, and to be fair, anybody that's not a Browns fan that may be watching this probably only saw the Houston game, the playoff game, and they don't realize, like, yeah, I mean, that was tough and the Browns looked bad in that. We all can agree on that, but at the same, just, you don't get the sense of how magical the season was heading into the playoffs and all the things that they overcame if you didn't watch it firsthand so it was pretty insane for sure.
But with that, let's go ahead and let's start talking about the future here because obviously they're going to have to start making some moves. Things are going to need to be addressed. Is there an area in particular that you think that the team is going to have to address kind of more than all the others?
[01:32:18] Speaker C: Well, from listening to Andrew Berry's end of season conference, the Nick Chubb thing worried me. When he know, they hope to get him back and things like, you know, I would like to see a complete year out of Deshaun, maybe see him think about maybe doing some sort of restructure so that some other people can be brought back on the team and see what we could have had if everybody would have been healthy this last year.
And Joku is a mean to go from him wanting out of the team three years ago when Stefanski first got there, wanting to keep three tight ends to what he's doing.
Know, I guess the biggest thing would be, one, to see Deshaun play a complete year in what he has and two, maybe if he'll look at restructuring a little bit so that we can make sure that we lock up Nick Chubb.
[01:33:19] Speaker B: Personally. What's your confidence level in Deshaun at this point?
[01:33:24] Speaker C: I mean, he went five and one this year when he was on the field. So I mean, it was, the Pittsburgh game was tough to watch and tough to digest, but he showed some promise. I mean, he can still run.
He's just got to go through his progressions, I guess, and look at the whole field and not keep an eye on one guy. A couple of his interceptions this year, he didn't look anybody off and it was just, they knew where the ball was.
[01:34:02] Speaker A: Absolutely.
And I mean, with that in mind, do you think the hiring of Ken Dorsey is going to help him?
[01:34:10] Speaker C: I mean, when he was with Buffalo, he did mean he played with know as one of the many quarterbacks we, you know, he wasn't in football this last year, I don't think was he.
[01:34:28] Speaker A: Half the season, first half the season he was with got. He got fired midseason.
Yeah, when Josh Allen was turning the ball over like crazy, which is, oh, I got you. Ken Dorsey's control. They fired Ken Dorsey.
[01:34:44] Speaker C: Quarterbacks can get coaches fired. That's for.
[01:34:49] Speaker A: Mean to Kenny's point, he has been with Buffalo for four years and they have been one of the best offenses in the league for those four years. And particularly Josh Allen has been like a top five quarterback during that.
And I believe Ken Dorsey has a couple other quarterbacks kind of that he's helped coach to a high level. So I'm wondering if he's going to be able to help Deshaun as well.
[01:35:18] Speaker C: I hope.
[01:35:21] Speaker A: So. Besides Deshaun playing the full season, possibly restructuring, hopefully getting Nick Chubb secured, do you predict any other big moves this offseason?
[01:35:36] Speaker C: Well, I mean, we have so much talent. It's like what's going to happen with the defensive side of the ball, with some of the linebackers, some of the cornerbacks. I know a couple of them are locked up. And Ward, we've signed his contract. Garrett's coming back. I think Newsom signed an extension. So there's know people that have their extensions and things like, you know, Schwartz did awesome and it doesn't look like he's going to be a head coach anywhere. So looks like we're going to have him next season.
There's only promise. I mean, the Defense did look good.
[01:36:14] Speaker A: Because the only silver lining of the playoff game is it killed his head coaching chances everywhere.
[01:36:19] Speaker B: Fortunate to hold on to him, for sure. And it does feel like we have a lot of the right pieces in place. It seems like a lot of the offseason work is going to be administrative, for sure.
[01:36:30] Speaker C: The only thing that really shocked me right after the season ended was when they got rid of stone.
[01:36:37] Speaker A: Go ahead.
Yeah, that whole situation was OD.
[01:36:43] Speaker B: Wasn't it the same way?
[01:36:45] Speaker A: Because that did happen.
There's a lot of different ways to look at that. I mean, the running backs behind Chubb didn't really do anything. But is that a personnel problem or is that a stump problem? I don't really know. And then it was OD, just him leaving, saying something about a kareem hunt, which everybody blew up and made a big deal. We kind of looked at it more as like a tough love type of thing. Like he was get. I believe in Kareem Hunt and I wanted to get everything out of him and I just couldn't. And it was like he was disappointed in himself, but also kind of like that last nudge, like, hey, Kareem, I believe in you. Go get.
But it was just OD.
[01:37:27] Speaker B: It was OD. Because if Nick Chubb had played all year, we're probably not having this. Right, right. Like, he's still probably employed by the Browns, so.
[01:37:36] Speaker A: Right.
[01:37:37] Speaker C: Well, the Browns might still be playing.
[01:37:45] Speaker A: Never. Nobody's ever going to know. But I would like to think that we absolutely would still be playing. Yeah.
[01:37:49] Speaker B: Right.
[01:37:51] Speaker A: But they did end up with Deuce Staley so I feel like you can't really. I mean that's a good coach to replace a running backs coach with.
[01:37:58] Speaker C: Oh yeah.
[01:38:02] Speaker A: We kind of just alluded to it. We are trying to get to the Super bowl. That's the ultimate goal and that's the big game that's going on this week. So obviously 49 ers. Chiefs. Neither of these teams we're particularly excited about. But do you have a prediction for this game this weekend?
[01:38:19] Speaker C: I do. I actually have it. 1713. San Francisco.
[01:38:25] Speaker A: San Francisco.
[01:38:26] Speaker B: Nice battle.
[01:38:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:38:28] Speaker B: Are you guys getting together for the Super bowl this weekend with the Brownsbackers group?
[01:38:32] Speaker C: We are not. Pelican. Larry's does do their own Super bowl party and has things going on throughout the day. I'm going to go hang out with some family and friends and watch the game.
[01:38:45] Speaker A: We're all going to watch it in misery. Just hoping. Wishing we were there.
[01:38:49] Speaker B: Bittersweet this time of year.
[01:38:51] Speaker A: One day. One day. It's going to be the most glorious day for Browns fans. I can't wait.
Everybody's going to be so excited.
[01:38:59] Speaker C: The state wouldn't be able to hold the parade.
[01:39:01] Speaker A: But now before we get going, I do want to mention that we are brought to you by who kenny seaside.
[01:39:06] Speaker B: Events as the official cruise event provider of the Cleveland Browns and organizer of the Browns fan cruise.
[01:39:12] Speaker A: And with that in mind, I do want to let everybody know they did run a competition for Browns backers this year. It is over now. The winners were announced. The Browns backers of Pinellas won that. However, we still want to say that we will be mcging several events aboard the ship and there will be 16 alumni joining the cruise with us. Fans will get to mingle with them like they're normal people. Get autographs, all kinds of fun things will be going on. So for anybody that hasn't booked yet, please do so immediately because it's going to be sold out soon. I think there's only like six cabins left or something like that.
[01:39:45] Speaker B: Running out of time. We're about 32 or 33 days away.
[01:39:48] Speaker A: Yeah. You probably got like ten days to get all of your stuff in and signed up for, so make sure you check that out. And then one final thing we'd like to mention before we go is our hot take hotline. Kenny, why don't you tell them about the hot take hotline?
[01:40:03] Speaker B: Absolutely. So we set up our hot take hotline to hear from Browns fans all over the country. So whether that's something you're excited about in the offseason, a big move that gets made. We obviously, keep it going during the season. If you want to call and talk about games, you're happy, you're mad, you're sad. Any of the emotions on the spectrum all at once? Maybe often you go through those as a Browns fan, but we want to hear from Browns fans, and then we take the best takes and play them on our show and react to them each week. So if you do want to call in, or anyone from the Browns Backers group want to call in, that number is 330-227-8080 we'll throw it on the screen here as well for those watching the video version. But again, that number is 330-227-8080 that is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.
[01:40:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And so with that, Robert, is there anything else that you want to say to Cleveland fans that are thinking about joining a Brownsbackers chapter?
[01:40:58] Speaker C: Go out and do it?
One of the things, I mean, when I first joined back in 2011, I didn't know a lot of people. I was very introverted, and to finally meet people that had the same passion that I did, it's like a family atmosphere. So if you ever get the chance to look up a Brownsbackers bar, do it. We're all over the place. So even if you're traveling during the football season, look up one and go visit with them. Everybody's always welcome at every club, so, I mean, they're not going to turn you away.
[01:41:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And you mentioned, actually earlier that the brownsbackers are worldwide.
When you say if you're traveling to look up a brownsbackers group, it doesn't matter where you're traveling, look them up. You'd be surprised at where some of these Brownsbackers chapters are located.
[01:41:51] Speaker C: I think right now there's 300. Sorry about that. I think there's 334 chapters worldwide, seven different continents. There is one in Iceland, there's Australia, there's South Korea, there's Israel.
Yeah. I mean, they're all London. They're all over the place.
[01:42:10] Speaker A: Yeah. We went to Ireland last year, and we went from one side of the country to the other side. Saw three different areas, actually. And in every area we stayed, there was a Brownsbackers group.
It's pretty phenomenal to see the way that the Cleveland Browns fans kind of.
[01:42:28] Speaker B: They'Re just everywhere, which makes it even more impressive that your group is the Brownsbackers group of the entire year, because that is a huge group of fans literally all over the globe. So congrats again.
[01:42:39] Speaker C: We are totally honored.
[01:42:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. And so listen, Robert, it has been absolutely amazing having you. We really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for joining us. Hopefully we can get down and meet you guys in person sometime. But once again, congratulations. And you guys enjoy that because guess what? For the whole next year, you guys are the Brownsbackers chapter of the year.
[01:43:03] Speaker B: That's right. Undisputed.
[01:43:05] Speaker C: Yes, we are.
[01:43:06] Speaker B: Send us the details of that golf out of when you get it, too. Maybe we can find our way down for that thing.
[01:43:10] Speaker C: Totally.
[01:43:11] Speaker A: All right. Thanks again, Robert. You have a good one.
[01:43:13] Speaker C: You, too, guys. Thank you.
We are the Naples Brownsbackers, and you're listening to the burning river sportscast. Go browns.
[01:43:38] Speaker A: Good talking to, huh?
[01:43:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, what a huge honor to be the Brownsbacker group of the year.
[01:43:46] Speaker A: Chapter of the year.
[01:43:47] Speaker B: Chapter of the year.
[01:43:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And they even, I don't know if you saw, and we forgot to talk about this with Robert, but they even had. I think it was.
I want to say it was Joe Thomas did the announcement video for them or whatever, to announce. My honor, to announce the Naples Brownsbackers is the chapter of the year. I think it was Joe Thomas that did it.
[01:44:08] Speaker B: I mean, that's a huge.
That. What I love about what he was talking about was that, like I said, we've been all around the country this year with the Brownsbackers, and some are smaller, some are bigger, some have a lot of members, some have a board that helps out because it seems like the larger organizations that have board and other supportive individuals there, the leadership team, put on a bunch of different events. They do golf outings.
We've heard a lot of people that do the Christmas gifts, right? Like, they'll buy a Christmas gift for underprivileged families or whatever. He was like, screw that. We're buying gifts for everybody. We're buying gifts for the whole family. Just going that extra mile. That's what I loved about doing this series. Right? I didn't even really have kind of a grasp on the amount of charity work, of donations and things that these groups did. I know they did some of it, but to hear from groups all over the country all year long that are doing good in their communities, it just makes you feel good as a Browns fan that these are people that are like minded, come from the same. A lot of people come from northeast Ohio. Wherever they go, they're still obsessed with this team in brown and orange. And not only that, they're also taking into their communities and doing good deeds all around to help out.
[01:45:29] Speaker A: And I think this really speaks know you hear it outside of Cleveland, and I'm sure most people just roll their eyes because they don't understand when people talk about Cleveland Browns fans being the best fans in the NFL.
But it's things like this, it's like we use the fact that we're Browns fans to also do good around the community, and so it's just something I'm just genuinely like.
[01:45:57] Speaker B: The Browns backers are kind of their own animal, but are there other groups like this for other teams that are.
[01:46:02] Speaker A: But they all started. The Browns backers are the biggest.
[01:46:06] Speaker B: I know they're like the biggest one in the world.
[01:46:08] Speaker A: They're the biggest.
I forget what they're classified as, but sports fan club or whatever it's called, official sports fan club.
[01:46:17] Speaker B: They're like a nonprofit and everything.
[01:46:19] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, others do it.
The Cowboys actually have a big fan base as well.
Not as many chapters, not as many call themselves. I don't know the answer to that. But I do know there are other teams doing it, but nobody's doing it as big or as organized as the Cleveland Browns backers have been doing for years. And this whole thing started way back, way back when. I mean, it officially became affiliated with the Cleveland Browns. I think in the 90s, it was either the 80s or the 90s.
[01:46:55] Speaker B: It had to be the 80s because a lot of.
[01:46:56] Speaker A: I think it was the 80s, actually. I think it was cardiac. Well, a lot of these places, a couple of them have talked about it, but we haven't really gone into detail on it, is they started way before that, like 20 years before that.
[01:47:10] Speaker B: They were all getting together, watching games.
[01:47:11] Speaker A: Sure. But the Cleveland Browns saw that these groups were meeting all over the place, and kudos to the Cleveland Browns. They took it upon themselves to say, well, let us help you guys organize. They made a website for them. They made an official organization, and now you can apply for a charter, you can apply for membership, you can apply for all that stuff. And there are some dues, but all the dues go to charity.
[01:47:35] Speaker B: The nice thing about it's free to.
[01:47:37] Speaker A: Be a Cleveland Browns backer. Typically, the dues, just so we're clear, are with your local club, whichever one you want to be a part of.
[01:47:44] Speaker B: Sure, you pay your $20 at the.
[01:47:45] Speaker A: Beginning of the year or whatever. Right? It is free to be a Cleveland Browns back.
[01:47:50] Speaker B: What's nice, too, about the fact that the Browns are affiliated with these groups is the fact that they get the president's event each year, where all the presidents come into Cleveland and get to meet the front office staff and Browns alumni. The fact that they get Browns alumni out to these events all over the country. All over the world. To brownsbackers organizations. Yeah.
[01:48:11] Speaker A: I mean, besides the brownsbackers group, the only other place you're going to see all these alumni like this is Cleveland Browns fan cruise.
[01:48:18] Speaker B: Seaside events. Yeah, that's right.
[01:48:21] Speaker A: No, I mean, this is just a phenomenal thing. So I'm glad we started this series. I think this gonna be one of the last ones. I might have a surprise one planned for coming up here pretty soon, but besides mean, we're kind of wrapping these up until next season and it was a lot of fun to do these.
[01:48:38] Speaker B: Absolutely. So thank you to all our browns backers on the show this year. It was quite the trip.
[01:48:44] Speaker A: Yeah, we really appreciate it. And with that, let's talk one more time about the burning river sports hotline.
Don't forget to call and leave your hot take.
[01:48:56] Speaker B: Headphones.
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All right, so. I know I keep talking about it. We are going to get this last interview eventually. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. We will have this interview.
[01:51:18] Speaker B: Are you sure? It's going to happen?
[01:51:19] Speaker A: It's going to happen. But we haven't been able to make it happen yet. But it will, though. It's going to happen every week. Why does this keep happening to me?
[01:51:30] Speaker B: Scared me.
[01:51:31] Speaker A: I know what it is.
[01:51:32] Speaker B: You do?
[01:51:32] Speaker A: I do. But I'm going to let you tell.
[01:51:34] Speaker B: What is it?
[01:51:34] Speaker A: No, you tell.
[01:51:35] Speaker B: Oh, I know what that is.
[01:51:36] Speaker A: What was it?
[01:51:36] Speaker B: That is the official signal to remind you that the Cleveland Browns fan cruise is just 32 days away.
[01:51:42] Speaker A: 32 days. Dang. We're down almost under a month.
[01:51:45] Speaker B: A month?
[01:51:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. That's right. March 11, we set sail for five unforgettable days at sea with 16 Cleveland Browns alumni.
[01:51:53] Speaker B: So many alumni, so many. Not so many days.
[01:51:57] Speaker A: It's going to be pretty dope.
Day one, day five, we're helping MC the pool party, the welcome pool party, the farewell pool party. Day three, we'll be helping to mc the Q a session with the players in the auditorium.
The other two days, we will be on the beaches in the Bahamas, in Jamaica. We'll have our own cabana. We'll be interviewing fans, interviewing alumni.
It's going to be lit.
[01:52:24] Speaker B: It's going to be dope.
[01:52:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So make sure if you haven't got your tickets, there's like, six cabins left. There's not many. And you only got, like, five days left to be able to get your information in and be able to be a part of the fan crew. So get that information in.
[01:52:37] Speaker B: Can I just say that the weather here has been atrocious for, like, weeks. It's been cold and wet and just dank.
[01:52:48] Speaker A: Overall, it's been so dank.
[01:52:50] Speaker B: I cannot wait.
[01:52:51] Speaker A: I can't wait either.
[01:52:52] Speaker B: It's going to be so warm on the open bow.
[01:52:55] Speaker A: You know what I can't wait for, though?
[01:52:56] Speaker B: Of the icon of the seas.
Wait, no.
[01:53:01] Speaker A: It's the independent independence of the seas.
[01:53:03] Speaker B: The icon is the new one.
[01:53:05] Speaker A: That's the big one.
[01:53:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:53:06] Speaker A: We are going on that.
[01:53:07] Speaker B: Not that one. Smaller one.
[01:53:09] Speaker A: That's the one they'll have to use when the Browns win the Super bowl. Yeah.
[01:53:12] Speaker B: Just in the sun, just with Browns players all around, hanging out, having a good time, just nothing but a care in the world. Just drinking, smoking, having a hell of a to be.
[01:53:26] Speaker A: It's going to be fun. So we hope to see you there. But with that, let's go ahead and get into the Super bowl preview.
All right, so listen, it's a Super Bowl. I know. It's supposed to be exciting, right? It's supposed to be really exciting. It's the pinnacle. This is what we've waited all year for. Well, listen, the Browns aren't in it. I don't care about the 49 ers. I don't care about the Chiefs. Football is over.
[01:53:57] Speaker B: We've waited 21 weeks for this.
[01:53:59] Speaker A: Yeah, and football is over after this and it's for the next however many weeks.
[01:54:03] Speaker B: You better soak it up and soak it in.
[01:54:05] Speaker A: It's like we always say, there's football season and there's waiting for football season and we're about to enter waiting for football season. I am not excited about it. So I'm not really turnt up about this game for that fact alone.
[01:54:17] Speaker B: It does feel like it flew by.
[01:54:19] Speaker A: It did. This year was like we had too much fun. I think that's what it was. The end of the season was so magical. Things were getting wild.
[01:54:26] Speaker B: Usually things are so bad halfway through.
[01:54:28] Speaker A: The year we're like, it just drags.
[01:54:29] Speaker B: When is this going to end?
[01:54:31] Speaker A: Someone shoot me in the.
[01:54:31] Speaker B: But this year was too much fun. It went too fast and now I'm all out of gas.
[01:54:37] Speaker A: Yeah, it feels bad.
I'll be honest with you, I've never been this turned down for a Super bowl because I just feel like all I can think about is as soon as this game is over, I just got to wait for the Browns.
[01:54:49] Speaker B: Not only that, just like 49 ers. Chiefs, you grew up and you have your favorite teams and they change from time to time as you're.
[01:54:58] Speaker A: Besides the AFC rivals, like our division rivals, there's nobody.
[01:55:03] Speaker B: You grow up and you might root for two or three different teams before you grow up and realize you're a Browns fan. There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, but the 49 ers and Chiefs just are never on my radar.
[01:55:12] Speaker A: No.
[01:55:13] Speaker B: I've never once been like, I love watching the Chiefs.
[01:55:15] Speaker A: They're not on anybody's radar, except for bandwagoners and people who just can't figure their lives out.
Who watches the 49 ers real?
[01:55:27] Speaker B: Can't wait to make that a real.
[01:55:30] Speaker A: Who watches any California team? Let's be honest, people that true.
[01:55:35] Speaker B: But the 49 ers specifically, people just, they're kind of like capitalist fans.
[01:55:38] Speaker A: They can't figure their lives out.
[01:55:39] Speaker B: Stuck in the past because of Joe Montana.
[01:55:41] Speaker A: We won once in the great years they had.
[01:55:43] Speaker B: And then the Chiefs, like you said, are bandwagoners. Right? Like they're the name of the minute.
[01:55:48] Speaker A: Yeah. They're the hottest team in the NFL because they're in the middle of a dynasty, just like the Patriots were the hottest team in the NFL and they're not anymore. So whatever with that, though, Kenny, I mean, do you want to get any analysis with this game or you just want to go ahead and make, I.
[01:56:03] Speaker B: Think, look, as much as I'm not excited about these two teams, there's some definite storylines coming into this. One that has caught a lot of traction lately is whether or not Brock Purdy is a game manager versus, like, is he a good quarterback?
[01:56:19] Speaker A: You mentioned it. I think it was last episode or the episode before that, and you said that his entire team was like, well, good thing we got the best game manager.
[01:56:27] Speaker B: Yeah, they've taken offense to that and they should. Right? Brock Purdy is 24 years old. He's in his second season after being the last pick in the draft.
[01:56:36] Speaker A: Well, they all call him a game manager. He actually puts up stats. He's got legit stats.
[01:56:40] Speaker B: He's got this team in the Super bowl. And not to mention they were a game away from the Super bowl last.
[01:56:48] Speaker A: Like, I'm not saying he's Mahomes territory as far as greatest of all time talk, but Mahomes has been the starter for the Kansas City Chiefs for five, six years, and every single year they've gone to the conference championship game. Well, guess what? Guess who else has done.
[01:57:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I can tell you that if I was one game away from the Super bowl last year and I made to the Super bowl this year and my quarterback was 24 years old, I'd feel pretty fucking good about the future of my team, right? I wouldn't care what you called him, game manager or not. But here's a guy that's doing it and getting the job done.
It's not like this guy sucks, man. He's putting up plenty of stats. He's got a loaded offense around.
[01:57:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you could find some clips of me making fun of him earlier this year, but probably because.
[01:57:32] Speaker B: He'S Brock purdy, right? Like, he's not a name.
[01:57:34] Speaker A: It's easy to be like, but I'm with you. I mean, even though I've made fun of him, throw some respect on this man's name because he's there. Dudes in the.
Everybody, not to mention everybody, thinks they would have won last year if he didn't get hurt.
[01:57:50] Speaker B: Right?
[01:57:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:57:52] Speaker B: I mean, he didn't lose, basically, until he got hurt last year when they.
[01:57:56] Speaker A: Were down to, like, their 7th string quarterback. They were playing position players games in a row. Christian McCaffrey is your emergency.
[01:58:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So that wasn't good. And obviously you have the Taylor Swift thing with the Chiefs and Travis, which.
[01:58:12] Speaker A: Again, if you're hating on this story, man, you just hate.
Just. It's just two kids in love and, yeah, they're getting a lot of tv time and whatever. But here's the thing. Taylor Swift isn't. I think you mentioned this last week, Taylor Swift isn't asking them to put her on tv all the time. She's just showing up to the mean. Well, I guess that's a bad example. I was going to say, how come nobody hates Brittany Holmes, but most people do.
How come nobody hates, like, I use a real wholesome one, Matthew Stafford. Before every single game for LA, they show him running over to his wife and three girls and giving them all hugs and kisses and them telling him good luck for the game. Nobody bashes that. Nobody says anything when they go to any player's girlfriend or significant other in the stands and show them rooting them on. I just don't understand where this hate for Taylor Swift comes in.
[01:59:06] Speaker B: Not to mention this, too, is like, you could take a lot of celebrities and like, your Kim Kardashians of the world if you took Kim Kardashian and you said, overall, has Kim Kardashian made a positive impact on us culture or a negative?
Like, there's probably a fair argument to her overall impact is kind of negative, right? Driving vanity is like a priority, and she was famous because of a sex tape.
Taylor Swift is like a pretty wholesome.
Like, she's just a good singer.
Of all the problems in the United States of America right now, Taylor Swift has to come in so far down that list of being problematic in any way. Right?
She's not a bad person. She doesn't sing songs about death and hate and killing people.
[02:00:03] Speaker A: Maybe hate, maybe her revenge drugs, just.
[02:00:09] Speaker B: Like poppy, fun, catchy songs. We hate this girl because of it.
[02:00:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I just don't understand it.
We're talking specifically about football, so let's take that a step further and just talk about football and say, what other pop icon. The NFL is a juggernaut, right? It's the biggest, craziest sport in the world. Everybody loves football. Everybody watches football.
[02:00:36] Speaker B: There's a reason I love football.
[02:00:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
Any NFL game, no matter who's playing, is the highest rated show on tv any given day.
And so it's pretty hard for an individual to come in and root for somebody and move the needle with the NFL. We talked about it last week. They're tapping new demographics that they never did before. And guess who is making a serious impact on the NFL in a positive way as far as them making more money to be able to deliver a better product moving forward and do things that we haven't seen the NFL do. And that may know a stretch to say that that's going to continue for a long time. But here's the deal. The fact that those numbers are coming in bodes well for the NFL in the future. And as a football fan, whether you like seeing her every five minutes or not on the screen, you should be saying she's probably good for football because more people are watching. Right.
[02:01:31] Speaker B: And I've seen the analysis done on these where it's like, Taylor Swift has made up, like, 0.3% of the overall broadcast viewing from CBS.
[02:01:42] Speaker A: Her screen time.
[02:01:43] Speaker B: Yeah. It's so insignificant. It's just the fact that it's.
[02:01:48] Speaker A: Again, I just, I just maintain, y'all hate love.
[02:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:01:52] Speaker A: You guys are just. I think most people that make a big deal about it, they're just jealous. They hate love.
[02:01:57] Speaker B: We've had fun with it this year because it's Taylor Swift, but honestly, it's so unproblematic and it's such a non issue.
[02:02:08] Speaker A: Here's the deal. I love love. I love love.
[02:02:11] Speaker B: I love Taylor Swift.
[02:02:13] Speaker A: What's love?
If this isn't affecting me, which is not them going to Taylor Swift every game and showing her cheering for Travis Kelsey, it doesn't affect me one way or the.
And they could just keep a camera on her the entire game.
[02:02:30] Speaker B: That would be good. They had Taylor cam.
[02:02:33] Speaker A: NFL. We've got ideas. We've got ideas. But no, I mean, like, they could.
[02:02:38] Speaker B: Watch Taylor react to every play.
[02:02:40] Speaker A: They could go with the old picture in picture, just have her down in the corner, and I'd be like, whatever.
I'm just not going to pay attention to it. I'm just going to watch the football game.
[02:02:48] Speaker B: I might watch Taylor sometimes.
[02:02:49] Speaker A: You might. She's a nice looking girl, but I'm just saying it's ridiculous.
[02:02:54] Speaker B: Anyway, I love love.
[02:02:56] Speaker A: That's the bottom line.
[02:02:57] Speaker B: Some big storylines heading into this week, not to mention the teams themselves, prolific offenses. The Chiefs kind of played some weird ball this year. Kind of looked like they were, they.
[02:03:10] Speaker A: Leaned on their defense off to a.
[02:03:11] Speaker B: Rocky start, and the offense wasn't great. But I'll tell you this, that through the playoffs and in the last couple of weeks of the regular season, I mean, that offense has looked like totally fine.
[02:03:21] Speaker A: It's looked like the Chiefs.
[02:03:22] Speaker B: They look like the Chiefs again. So where a lot of people were kind of writing them off early on because they weren't playing as well as they had as an offense in years past. Like, this offense is legitimate. It's been playing like a top offense in the NFL. And you look on the 49 ers side of the ball, guys like Christian McCaffrey, Devo Samuel Brandon Ayuk, George Kittle, and these guys are just a juggernaut on their own.
[02:03:50] Speaker A: So many juggernauts.
[02:03:51] Speaker B: The defense for the Chiefs has been playing better this year. The 49 ers have a tremendous defense, tremendous pass rush with two really great defensive ends.
[02:04:00] Speaker A: You know who beat the 49 ers?
[02:04:02] Speaker B: Well, PJ Walker beat the 49 ers.
[02:04:04] Speaker A: PJ Walker and the Browns, baby, doesn't do anything for us now. We're not in the Super bowl.
[02:04:08] Speaker B: Yeah, bittersweet. But that being said, I expect this to be a good game just between teams that I don't care about.
[02:04:17] Speaker A: Fair.
[02:04:17] Speaker B: That's my analysis. That's my breakdown.
[02:04:19] Speaker A: Fair.
Should we do predictions? Should we just get into it? Should we just do it?
[02:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah, sure.
[02:04:25] Speaker A: All right. So I'm going to start with bone. As Kenny mentioned at the top of the show, we are boneless this week. So boneless. However, he did send in his picks via text message, and I will relay those to you now. Bone man has the Chiefs winning this one in a close one, as you mentioned, 23 20. So he thinks Patrick Mahomes and the boys are going to do it. So you mentioned it was going to be a close one, too. What are your thoughts? What's the score going to be here and who do you have?
Long pause.
[02:05:03] Speaker B: Look, as good as the 49 ers are, they lost to PJ Walker and the Browns.
[02:05:10] Speaker A: That's the nail in the coffin. You can't win a Super Bowl.
[02:05:13] Speaker B: I picked them to lose every round of the playoffs because they lost to PJ. Keep it going as good as that team is, this Chiefs team is unfortunately a team of destiny.
They're going to win the next Super bowl and probably three more before Patrick Mahomes retires. He's going to chase Tom Brady as the goat. He's young and already has a Hall of fame career underneath.
Like, for the last two decades, I've kind of, like, rooted and picked against Tom Brady and at some point you just realized, stop doing like, he's going to win every game because he's the greatest there ever was. Yeah, I'm kind of there with Mahomes. Like, I can't count this guy out at this. Can't. I can't pick against Patrick Mahomes.
[02:05:59] Speaker A: Let's be honest. As much as I don't so good, as much as I don't like the Chiefs, it's really fun to watch Patrick Mahomes play football. Sure.
[02:06:06] Speaker B: He's the top of the game right now. So I've got the Chiefs in this one.
I think it's going to be relatively high scoring affair and I think it'll be close. But the Super bowl, for whatever reason, always tends to hit the under. So I'm going to go 27 24, Chiefs.
[02:06:26] Speaker A: All right. So for me, and this is probably a shocker to most, I don't think this is going to be close. I don't think it's going to be close. I don't think it's going to be close at all.
I think the Chiefs kind of revert back to. I'm sorry, the 49 ers kind of revert back to.
They kind of got exposed the first half against Detroit last week. They got handled the entire first half and they did make a comeback.
Detroit was kind of riding like nobody expected them to be there. Should they have been there right now? Who knows? Not for me to say, but all of this to say that I think the Chiefs are going to win convincingly. I think the 49 ers and even though we just talked about throwing some respect on his name.
[02:07:17] Speaker B: You think brack purdy lays an egg?
[02:07:18] Speaker A: I think brack purdy, I don't know that he lays an egg. I just think he comes back down to earth. He doesn't play at such a high level. I think their defense has a heart as good as it is. I think they have a hard time containing the Chiefs offense the entire night. And so without them helping to control the pace of the game, I just think the Chiefs run away with it. I have the Chiefs 30 113. I don't think it's going to be close.
[02:07:42] Speaker B: At all. Wow.
[02:07:43] Speaker A: I think this thing's over by midway through the third quarter.
[02:07:48] Speaker B: I think the 49 ers are good. They're capable of winning this game.
[02:07:51] Speaker A: That's the weird thing, is I do, too, but I just look at it and I'm like, to your point, the Chiefs seem like a team of destiny right now, and to me, there have been enough cracks in the armor throughout the season for the 49 ers that I'm like, I wouldn't be surprised if they came out and had a dut of a game.
[02:08:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:08:11] Speaker A: So that's where I'm at. I got the Chiefs 30 113.
[02:08:13] Speaker B: I do think the 49 ers are going to be the more motivated team coming out, so I think they may take an early lead in this game because I think they're just going to be hungrier for it.
[02:08:23] Speaker A: But there we go. Ultimately, I'll expand on mine. 30 113 is the final score at the end of the first quarter is going to be 13 to 349 ers.
[02:08:32] Speaker B: Fair?
Yeah. I just think this Chiefs team is too good. I thought the Eagles last year were, if you're on paper, the better football team, but it did matter because they have Patrick Mahomes and they're the Chiefs.
Even if you went pound for pound and guy for guy on this and said on paper, the 49 ers maybe have an edge in talent, I just think it did.
[02:08:52] Speaker A: Just think of all the Super bowl experience they have on that roster.
[02:08:55] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Andy reed at this point is like.
He's like the bill belichick of 1015 years ago.
[02:09:03] Speaker A: Just imagine going to that sideline, say it is 13 three at the end of the first quarter, just going to the sideline and all those guys are just like, it's fine. We're good. Yeah.
[02:09:09] Speaker B: They will not be phased in the.
[02:09:10] Speaker A: Slightest, whereas most teams where they're there for the first time or even the second time or they're young or whatever, they're kind of like, oh, shit, guys, we really got to get going.
[02:09:20] Speaker B: Well, the last time around, right, there was 20 to ten at halftime. I think with the 49 ers and then they were feeling pretty good about themselves at halftime and didn't matter. The Chiefs came back and just beat their ass in the second half.
[02:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
Like I said, I think the Chiefs are going to win convincingly.
And then usher ushering guests at halftime.
[02:09:41] Speaker B: I'm excited about this halftime show.
[02:09:42] Speaker A: He's definitely not going to be wearing a shirt.
[02:09:44] Speaker B: Sometimes I'm not that excited. I'm pretty excited about usher. Usher is like the soundtrack of my youth.
Pretty excited.
[02:09:51] Speaker A: He's got a lot of big hits.
[02:09:52] Speaker B: He's got a ton of big hits.
[02:09:54] Speaker A: I'm excited to hear some of his old stuff. I haven't heard some old school usher in a long time.
[02:09:58] Speaker B: I think this is a great pick by the NFL. A lot of times it's like, oh, why would they pick that guy? I think usher is still relevant today. He was relevant 1015 years ago. He has a ton of hits that people know. So I think it's going to be a fun show.
[02:10:13] Speaker A: While we're talking about halftime shows, 20 year anniversary this past week of nipple of Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake. Yeah, go back and watch that entire halftime show. It's fucking phenomenal.
Like literally you talk about the soundtrack to your youth. It is just a late 90s, early 2000s or mid 2000s, whatever you want to call it, the mid oughts. Just like time machine. It's just wild. You're talking baggy clothes like bucket hats.
Nelly comes out in a golf cart with visor. Yeah, Nelly comes out with an upside down visor, a golf cart with spinning rims like Jessica Simpson in a bucket hat.
That's who kicked this thing off. And it ended with Justin Timberlake pulling out Janet Jackson's nipple.
It was fucking wild.
[02:11:03] Speaker B: Speaking of nipples.
[02:11:06] Speaker A: Yeah, speaking of nipples, let me remind you to call the burning river sports against hot take. Hot take.
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[02:11:15] Speaker B: Look, we want hot takes. We want you to talk season long.
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So that'll do it for us. And kenny, what can we expect next?
[02:11:56] Speaker B: What can we expect next week? We will recap the Super bowl, the biggest game of them all, the granddaddy of them all, the biggest day in sports entertainment.
And then we will kind of put a cap on the whole season, I think, for the Browns and obviously cover any browns news that comes up but kind of start to morph into offseason mode.
[02:12:20] Speaker A: Next week is the official last episode of season two of sports cast.
[02:12:28] Speaker B: So yeah, we'll start to transition into offseason mode, start thinking about what the Browns need to do to be competitive to find themselves in the Super bowl next year.
[02:12:36] Speaker A: You'll see us pretty regularly until the Browns fan cruise. After that, there may be some changes. So just stick with us.
[02:12:43] Speaker B: Keep recording weekly up through the fan cruise, and then we'll obviously have a lot to share about the fan cruise when we get back.
[02:12:50] Speaker A: But after that, there may be some changes, maybe doing some format changes for.
[02:12:53] Speaker B: The offseason, little winter break for us before, at least until the draft for sure.
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[02:13:38] Speaker B: Number one.
[02:13:39] Speaker A: What's number one?
[02:13:42] Speaker B: Maybe think about going to the orchard next time you're in the mood for some apples. Because supermarket apples can be up to a year old at any time. What? Farmers often pick apples in the fall, cover them in wax, hot air dry them, and put them in cold storage, which keeps them edible and ready to sell for six to twelve months. So often the apples at the store are just kept in cold storage until they sell out.
[02:14:12] Speaker A: I feel duped.
[02:14:15] Speaker B: Yeah, you get the eleven month old apples.
[02:14:17] Speaker A: That's why they are outrageous. So, yeah, I've got to let my wife know.
[02:14:22] Speaker B: Buy a farmers market or buy local something.
[02:14:24] Speaker A: Does anybody know of an apple orchard? Because I need to go.
[02:14:27] Speaker B: I think most of them are closed now this time of year. But next fall you can get your own apples, good and fresh.
[02:14:32] Speaker A: I'm stocking up. I put wax on, put them in cold storage for six months.
[02:14:36] Speaker B: Number two, speaking of wardrobe malfunctions.
[02:14:40] Speaker A: Yes. Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez. Lopez.
[02:14:44] Speaker B: Jennifer Lopez actually inspired the creation of Google images after she wore her infamous green dress at the 2000 Grammys. The search engine added the function because so many picture people were looking for.
[02:15:00] Speaker A: Pictures of the outfit. They just want to see the green dress, man. It was a nice dress.
[02:15:04] Speaker B: It was a nice dress.
[02:15:05] Speaker A: I remember no other reason to look for that picture other than seeing the green dress. The dress, just the dress, nothing else.
[02:15:13] Speaker B: It's just crazy to think that Google images, at one point just didn't exist.
[02:15:17] Speaker A: It's crazy to think that Google images was like, people need their ass pictures.
We really got to facilitate this.
[02:15:27] Speaker B: Who doesn't want to see J. Lou's ass? You never know.
[02:15:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
And thus, Google Images was born.
[02:15:35] Speaker B: And thus Google images was born. Thanks to that red dad green dress. And finally, number three.
Are you ready for your mind to be blown?
[02:15:43] Speaker A: It's already been blown once by these apples.
[02:15:48] Speaker B: Stay with me here.
[02:15:50] Speaker A: We're going on a ride. I like it when we do this.
[02:15:53] Speaker B: More than half of our bodies are not human.
[02:16:01] Speaker A: What?
[02:16:03] Speaker B: Bacterial cells outnumber the number of human cells in our body. Research has found that the average human is composed of approximately 56% bacteria.
[02:16:17] Speaker A: That doesn't even make sense.
So am I a bacteria or am I a human?
[02:16:23] Speaker B: You're a human, but you're made of bacteria.
[02:16:25] Speaker A: Who am I?
[02:16:26] Speaker B: You're mostly bacteria.
[02:16:28] Speaker A: Sorry.
[02:16:29] Speaker B: My mom was just calling me on my wrist. I was like, what the hell?
[02:16:32] Speaker A: Don't we all look like spy kids?
Let's answer the phone on her wrist.
[02:16:38] Speaker B: Let's just take this live.
[02:16:41] Speaker C: Hello.
[02:16:43] Speaker B: Welcome to the Burning river sportscast. You've interrupted the end of the show.
[02:16:46] Speaker A: You are live.
[02:16:47] Speaker B: You are live.
[02:16:50] Speaker C: I am live.
[02:16:51] Speaker B: You are live.
[02:16:52] Speaker C: Okay, well, I forgot it was Monday. I'm so.
[02:17:01] Speaker A: Any. You have any hot takes for us?
[02:17:06] Speaker C: I was just wondering how you guys.
[02:17:08] Speaker A: Felt about the new offensive coordinator, Ken Dorsey. He's pretty good. Yeah.
[02:17:15] Speaker B: He's been the offensive coordinator in Buffalo over the last four years and made them one of the most prolific offenses in the league. So why expect anything different?
[02:17:22] Speaker A: Yeah, big things. Big things coming.
[02:17:25] Speaker C: Are we expecting good things from him next year?
[02:17:27] Speaker A: I am.
If we don't get good things, he's going to get fired.
[02:17:31] Speaker B: I don't really expect anything from him because Kevin Stefanski calls the play.
[02:17:34] Speaker A: Kevin Stefanski is still going to be.
[02:17:36] Speaker B: I think he's just a guy. He's just there.
[02:17:39] Speaker A: I think.
[02:17:40] Speaker C: I'm hoping that maybe Dorsey takes over a little bit because Kevin needs to.
[02:17:45] Speaker A: Pay attention to other people sometimes.
That's a fair take, Tina. Listen, I grew up listening to you and my mom tell me to wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up faster. So that's where we're at here.
[02:18:00] Speaker C: I'm sorry.
I forgot it was Monday night.
[02:18:07] Speaker B: That's all right.
Enjoy your vacation. I'll call you in a bit.
[02:18:11] Speaker A: All right, honey.
[02:18:12] Speaker B: All right, love you. Bye bye.
[02:18:15] Speaker A: Hate and mom's calling you in the middle of a podcast. Sounds like it could be a problem.
[02:18:25] Speaker B: Don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[02:18:28] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning Rivers podcast.
[02:18:34] Speaker B: Burning rivers.
[02:18:36] Speaker A: Burning river.
[02:18:37] Speaker B: I'm hungry.
[02:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah, me, too. Let's order some food.
[02:18:39] Speaker B: I'm starving. Let's starve in my van.
[02:18:43] Speaker A: What else we got?
[02:18:46] Speaker B: What do you mean?
[02:18:47] Speaker A: Tie me kangaroo down, sport. Tie me kangaroo down. Timey kangaroo down, sport timey kangaroo down.
[02:18:55] Speaker B: Altogether now. Timey kangaroo down, sport. Timey kangaroo down. Timey kangaroo down sport Tommy Kangaroo down.
[02:19:06] Speaker A: Techie tunes.
[02:19:07] Speaker B: Burning river sportscast.
[02:19:10] Speaker A: Burning river sportscast.
[02:19:11] Speaker B: Out, out. Good night, Cleveland Browns fan cruise and the Burning river sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of?
[02:19:19] Speaker A: Motorboat. You play the motorboat, you motorboat son of a bitch. You old sailor, you.
[02:19:25] Speaker B: You know, I was thinking during that.
[02:19:26] Speaker A: Interview, what were you. Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[02:19:31] Speaker B: Wow. My name is Utrid, son of Utrid, by the way.
[02:19:35] Speaker A: I want my force come back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:19:39] Speaker B: Women's guide to anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes second edition? He didn't want to send her the first edition. He wanted to send her the second edition.
[02:19:48] Speaker A: Listen, this one, they made some improvements.
[02:19:51] Speaker B: We figured out how to do this better. The weather outside is weather.
[02:19:54] Speaker A: The other one, the finger eating food. Fingers, yes.
[02:19:57] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:20:00] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:20:00] Speaker A: Oh, my God, I have a bunch of shit he shed everywhere.
[02:20:06] Speaker B: Oh, no, we suck again.
[02:20:09] Speaker C: What do you mean, funny?
[02:20:10] Speaker A: Funny how? How am I funny?
[02:20:11] Speaker B: I don't know.
[02:20:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:20:12] Speaker B: When the president of Zimbabwe gets cancer, no one's like, oh, no goddamn jet.
[02:20:18] Speaker A: All I do is win win no matter what.
[02:20:21] Speaker C: The leads are weak.
[02:20:23] Speaker A: Leads are weak?
[02:20:25] Speaker B: Fucking leads are weak.
[02:20:26] Speaker A: You're weak. I mean, last year when I won, I went know my wife's pants hit the ground. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. Oh, lord.
[02:20:35] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:20:35] Speaker A: But damn, my wife's going to be so mad when she watches this episode. She's like, you called me middle aged in the middle.
[02:20:41] Speaker B: Well, I tried to say that earlier. I tried to stop you.
[02:20:44] Speaker A: We're all middle aged.
[02:20:46] Speaker C: Doubled and tripled down on this.
[02:20:47] Speaker B: Well, people love quadruple.
You know why, Mr. Because you drove a Hyundai. To get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
[02:20:58] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Now, I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers.
I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:21:09] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[02:21:10] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:21:11] Speaker A: I desperately want to make love.
[02:21:13] Speaker B: We need cheese girl. Now who's canceled? Now who's canceled now?
[02:21:21] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:21:22] Speaker B: You making a photo of fat people?
[02:21:25] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:21:27] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:21:30] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger banged their salad.
You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:21:41] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[02:21:42] Speaker C: That's cool, man. Whatever.
[02:21:44] Speaker A: No.
Are you not entertained?
[02:21:47] Speaker B: Are you not entertained?
This is not why you were.
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