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[00:01:15] Speaker B: The it's time, time for the burning river sportscast. For the third time in five years, the Kansas City Chiefs are world champions. On Sunday night, in front of the world, we witnessed a heavyweight battle with the 49 ers controlling most of the game. It was star studded, it was physical, it was dramatic. But in the end, the Chiefs remained inevitable as 28 year old phenom Patrick Mahomes led his team down the field in overtime to crutch the hopes and dreams of the Bay Area. Usher was shirtless, Taylor looked amazing, and Sin City held up as a fantastic venue sure to see many future Super Bowls. And finally, the whispers of dynasty have exploded into a chorus as the greatness of this iteration of the Chiefs is undeniable. And they proved it again on the biggest stage of them all. And we'll break it all down for you next on the burning river sportscast.
You're pissed. When it hits the urinal, it sounds feminine, like, it's just, you can't get any softer than this.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: And then I would tell them, and.
[00:02:26] Speaker B: Then, I'm sorry for partying and Bacardi in the backyard again.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: The Cardigan.
Yeah, that's what I would say, though.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: People all around the league understand that quarterbacking the Browns to wins is like, harder. It's harder than coming back from the dead.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: That's fair. That's fair.
We don't give a shit what they think. Fm f them, bro. The offseason literally just started, and we came off of a pretty good run. At the end of this season, everybody's feeling good. We just won all of the NFL honors, and you're just pissing in my cornflakes right now.
[00:03:04] Speaker B: Look, here's the thing.
Good the halftime shows, it feels like in the last couple years have been better. All pretty good. Better.
Outside of last year's, which was straight. I mean, Rihanna was like a little.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: Bit halftime stank show.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Halftime stank show. She was rubbing herself and that was a little bit much.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: I think she was pushing the envelope and just trying to.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: She's just trying to be controversial for controversy's sake.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: A little bit. You won't get through burning of her sports cast without some bathroom humor.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: I swear, I probably passed gas for 22 seconds straight. It was just like.
Just everything let loose at once, but I almost didn't make it.
Taylor Swift's favorite number is 13. The name of one of her most famous albums is 13. What Super bowl was it?
[00:03:52] Speaker A: 58.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: 58. Five plus eight is 13.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: No.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: What team did they play? The 49 ers. Four plus nine is 13.
[00:03:58] Speaker A: No.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: The Chiefs were the three seed and the same as four niners are the one seed. That's 13. The game was played. Eleven. That's 13.
Taylor Swift had gone to twelve Chiefs games prior to the Super Bowl. Super bowl was number 13.
What does it all mean? I have no idea.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: But something happened here.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: Something weird happened.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: We got to get to the bottom of that.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Taylor Swift took a flight from Tokyo to the United States that was 13 hours long in order to get to the game.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: This is what I deal with, you.
[00:04:31] Speaker C: Know, I'm someone who appreciates a good poop story. So thank you for sharing.
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[00:05:07] Speaker C: I just enjoyed putting various meats in between. A shell with cheese.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: Fair enough.
[00:05:13] Speaker C: It's very straightforward.
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No. Make the words right side up.
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[00:06:54] Speaker B: I'm going to do the whole show like this.
[00:06:56] Speaker A: Please don't.
But, yeah, the Super bowl, the entire reason that we love and watch football happened.
And we love and watch football, and we hope that one day our beloved Browns will lead us to glory and deliver us to the promised land. But until that time comes, we will continue to watch and wait. And so with our browns keeping us saying, there's always next year, today on the show, we've got for you updates on the Cleveland Browns, all the news that's broken in the past week. We got a Super bowl recap of the game that the Browns were not in, but we hope that they one day are in an interview with another major award winning Browns backer. Chapter, uh, talking about their major award. Okay. It wasn't really a major award as much as they won a competition that.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: Was resulted in a major award.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: Major award.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: Fat Chile.
[00:07:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And so we'll also talk to them about the charities and community service that they're involved with. We'll ask them about the Super bowl. We'll ask them about what offseason moves they think the Browns should make and what the Browns outlook is for next year.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: I don't even know why we play the interview.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: We just did it all. We didn't give answers, though. Okay, so they've got an answer.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: That's how interview works.
[00:08:04] Speaker A: Yep. And then we don't have our final alumni joining us today. But in the meantime, before we get that going, where are you, Hanford Dixon? Call us. In the meantime, go back and catch a few of the old ones. They're all out there now. Great stories to be heard all around. And we've also started cutting those up into real shorts, TikToks to whatever platform you're on. They'll be there. And so, as we continue to wait for next year to finally come, I must say, ladies and gentlemen, it is now the time. I messed that up. Let's start over. Ladies and gentlemen, it is now time for the main event of the evening. Are you ready? Are you ready? No, Cleveland, I said, are you ready?
Then for the thousands in attendance here tonight and the millions listening around the world, millions. Let's get ready to suck it.
[00:09:01] Speaker B: And if you're not down with that, we got two words for you.
[00:09:04] Speaker A: Suck it.
All right, so for this week's burning river news story of the week, we're going to talk about the waste management Phoenix Open, where things got a little too chaotic for tournament organizers and some of the players that were in the tournament. So for the first time ever, they shut the gates early on Saturday afternoon and barred ticketed fans from entering as they felt that the crowd was a little too raucous.
They also cut off all alcohol and food sales during that afternoon when asked about it. Tournament officials are blaming this on the weather conditions, weather and conditions of the course, and saying that that played a big part in it. It was getting real muddy, getting real, getting dangerous.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: A lot of the places where spectators usually are were too muddy for them to stand, so they were crowded around areas that weren't made for enough people.
[00:10:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but we all know what the real issue was.
The fans were getting crazy and the golfers were complaining. In particular, Zach Johnson went on a tirade during and after the tournament. I know afterwards he said, quote, this tournament has been inappropriate across the line ever since I've been on tour, and this is my 21st year. I think the Thunderbirds probably need to do something about it. I'm assuming they're ashamed. And with that, I've lost all respect for Zach Johnson.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, this sounds like spoiled milk.
Sounds like a guy who hasn't won a tournament since 2015.
Sounds like a guy who is just beyond his prime. He's 47 years old. He was never long off the tee. He relied on his wedge.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: The fact that you're still playing a professional sport.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: He relied on his wedge game for a long time. And was pretty good and was able to win some tournaments that way. But today's game has just gotten so long that I think he's frustrated. That's why he can't win, because he just can't keep up with these young guys that just are hitting the ball 320 and 330.
And on top of that, he had a disastrous run as Ryder cup captain, which is what set him off.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: Do you know what was said during?
[00:11:32] Speaker B: They basically were just calling him a shitty Ryder cup captain, which is true because he let the live Goff and the PGA Tour stuff get in the way of him picking the best players for the roster. For the mention now, we all know.
[00:11:46] Speaker A: Is water under the bridge, whatever.
[00:11:49] Speaker B: I mean it is what it know, but it's like he let that get in the way of picking the best players. And by all accounts they got destroyed in the Ryder cup. And somebody called him out on and said, johnson, you were a shitty Ryder cup captain. And he know, I'm sick of this. I've had enough of this. This is terrible. Stormed off the know, this is just one again where it's God, this tournament is beloved for this very reason.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: We talked about it off air a little bit and I said there's a reason why this tournament, which in the grand scheme of things, doesn't have all that much importance in numbers for the golf season or anything like that. It's one of the most popular tournaments on the entire tour. And it's because it's the only one where it's stadium golf, and you're allowed to go there, get crazy and yell and scream as much as you want.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: I mean, stadium golf is a beautiful thing.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: It's the one time that golf feels like a sporting event. It's one of shame, because when you think about this tournament, this tournament saw almost 600,000 people over the course of four days. That's way more than go to a football game, go to a baseball game over four days to have over a half million people there. There were 200,000 people there on Sunday for the final round. And it's just a tournament golf, whether it's TPC courses in Florida, it's just a beautiful thing the way they have it set up. And the 16th hole obviously has always been a party hole. I think the one guy in the history of golf, in 2004, I think it was Chris DeMarco, is the only other guy that's ever complained about it.
Like these guys are all mad that people are making noise and things during their swing. It's like, have you been to an NBA game to watch a free throw?
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I mean, have you been to.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: A Browns game where they've punted every possession in the first half and they get booed off the field into the tunnel?
[00:13:33] Speaker C: And I don't know a whole lot about this event. I saw it on that full swing show on Netflix, like, a year ago. I don't know. And it looked really cool. Like, from my perspective, someone who doesn't follow golf that often, I'm like, wow, this is kind of cool. It's kind of blue collar, blah, blah, blah.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: Right?
[00:13:46] Speaker C: I was talking to a guy today at work, and he was like, correct me if I'm wrong in this, but he said they open the gates at one for anybody who wants to try to get, like, the best seat in the house. He said, fans will sprint. Will sprint to that hole where they want to post up and get ready to hang out and drink.
[00:14:00] Speaker B: Drink 30 beers in a day.
[00:14:01] Speaker C: And the golfers, they know this is coming, so to then complain about it seems a little low.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: Isn't it Arizona State? That's right next to it. Or is it University of Arizona? I think it's Arizona states. I think it's the sun devils. That's, like, the big party that weekend for the colleges. All the frats, all the sororities, like, all the partiers at that college go there. Sounds like a blast to your point about stadium golf being a beautiful thing. One of the few clips of golf I've ever showed my wife, because most golf clips are pretty boring.
I showed her. I was like, just check this out. And I forget who it was. I know there was actually two of them, two people back to back at that hole, and one of them was Tiger woods. When he stuck it real, did he hit a hole in one, or did he stick it close?
[00:14:48] Speaker B: He had a hole in one there.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: I think he had a hole in one, too.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: I don't remember six or seven.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: And the other one I know for sure was a hole in one. And both times, the stadium just goes.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: Nuts, and there's a hole in one.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Dancing and running around, and I'm like, this is like, if golf was like this all the time, it would draw.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: In so many fans.
[00:15:03] Speaker A: It would be so popular, but it's not. And so it doesn't.
It does still draw in a lot of fans, but it could be so much bigger than it is.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: Well, it's like this whole. I know Billy Horschel had another.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: He had a fan yelled at his playing partner in his backswing, and he said something along the lines of, buddy, when he's over his shot. Shut the hell up, dude. He's trying to hit a damn golf shot here. It's our fucking job.
Like, one, yeah, no shit. And two, have you ever played competitive sports in your right? Like, how did you make it? And the other thing that's funny is these are supposed to be some of the most mentally tough athletes in the entire world.
And I'll be honest, I'm not saying golfers aren't athletes, but I'm more of the people that think like, athlete is a loose term when it comes to golfers. Because when John Daley can be a dominant force on the tour for several.
[00:15:56] Speaker B: Years, especially now that we know about John Daley literally showing up to tournaments.
[00:16:01] Speaker A: Blasted just on like a four day bender, he's just like, I'm. Whatever.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: That's how he won the US Open.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: Yeah, don't sit here and tell me, yeah, do some people take it more seriously than others? And are there some elite athletes on tour? Sure. But I don't think you absolutely need that to be a good, mean, look.
[00:16:23] Speaker B: At some of these.
I mean, they're just. They're just not built like, who's my?
[00:16:32] Speaker A: And so again, they're supposed to be the most mentally tough people or mentally tough. And that's generally the world. They are.
[00:16:38] Speaker B: Right. They are mentally tough athletes.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: Apparently not. When somebody talks in their backswing, it's over. That's when it goes out the window.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
And that's the kind of attitude, though, that keeps people away from the game. People are, a, it's expensive. B, it's intimidating to walk onto a golf course if you've never been there before and you get all these people that are dressed nice and know the etiquette, that kind of stuffy, turn up our nose at any kind of bone measure. Like blue collar guys that just want to go out and try it and have fun.
Golf needs, if it's going to continue to grow, needs more of this. It needs more of this stadium atmosphere where a guy sticks it to 3ft and the place just goes nuts, not just golf claps.
Now, there's certainly a line where you don't want guys like I've seen in past years where they've been throwing beer cans and stuff on the tee.
[00:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah, that stuff's obvious. That doesn't go on. And when that happens at normal sporting events, those people are escorted out. Right.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: There has to be a line somewhere. But generally speaking, stadium golf and letting those crowds get off the chain is a beautiful thing. It's part of what makes this tournament, which you said, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't mean much of anything. It's what makes it one of the most favorite tournaments of people. All year long, they tune in to watch this.
It's a fun as shit tournament.
And here's the thing I used to say to Billy Horschel, and Zach Johnson is like, zach Johnson is saying for 20 years, it's been inappropriate. Billy Horschel had some comments afterwards about how he's heard some very personal things said to people he was playing with, and it just doesn't seem right. It's like, you guys don't have to go to this tournament.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: Skip that tournament. You got the stats on what Zach Johnson makes at this tournament.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: You know why you go to this tournament? Was because last year, Zach Johnson finished tied for 32nd and made over $109,000 as his cut of the purse.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: So to put that into perspective, for people who don't pay attention to golf, that's four days of work, 4 hours a day. You're talking 16 hours of work. And this dude made $100,000.
[00:18:39] Speaker B: The average household income in this country is, like, less than 60 grand. You made that in a weekend, and people yelled at you and maybe said.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Some things that weren't very nice.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: That's tough, bro. You made double the income of the country in a weekend. Go punch yourself.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: You know what's more offensive than these fans yelling at you is your lack of distance off the tee and just.
[00:19:03] Speaker B: Your absolute crybaby attitude toward all this.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Literally, I drive the ball further than you.
[00:19:09] Speaker B: You're pissed. When it hits the urinal, it sounds feminine.
You can't get any softer than this.
[00:19:16] Speaker A: Hashtag flaccid.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: You know what this tournament is? Before you go in there, you go there for the money. So don't act like you're some saint for like, oh, I'm going for the good of the game. Like, no, you're going to get $100,000 paycheck this year. I think he finished 60th, so his paycheck was only worth 20 grand.
[00:19:31] Speaker A: Damn, that's tough bone. If all golf was stadium golf, would you go?
[00:19:39] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
That's the reason why I like golf is because I went to Bridgestone when we had it, and I walked down to the course and I stood next to a golfer, and I was like, 5ft from him. I'm like, whoa, it was VJ Singh. And I was like, this dude's like six five.
[00:19:52] Speaker B: I was like, holy crap, this is really cool.
[00:19:55] Speaker C: And I see him teeing off and I was like, I love golf.
[00:19:57] Speaker A: And so Bridgestone does create a couple of different grandstand mean. It's not quite on the level of the waste management open.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: And that wasn't a PGA event, right? That was a world golf championship event. So it was always a little bit like for us, we live in Akron, so we were able to go most of the time to the practice days, which again, is also a very much like looser environment where the guys do autographs and things. So I think for us growing up, it was different, but just in general, I mean, when they play Sawgrass in these places, it's like stadium golf is such a beautiful thing. It's so cool to see the permanent grandstands and things they have out there.
[00:20:34] Speaker A: API was another one we went to that had big stands on the 18th hole and lots of fans there. And here's the other thing is like, you want to complain about fans yelling at you? We watched the API when Tiger made his comeback and won at the Arnold Palmer invitational. And when he walked up to the 18th, literally the whole crowd came around, everybody and closed in the green. So you want to talk about people who are yelling at you and shit.
There was people like 5ft from Tiger woods as he's walking up to the green.
[00:21:06] Speaker B: It's just, again, it's just like Zach.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: Johnson mental toughness versus Tiger woods mental toughness is two different.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: If you're going to complain about it again, you're so soft. You're softer than marshmallow.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: You know what I say to all these golfers complaining about all this?
[00:21:22] Speaker B: I'm sorry for partying.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: No, not yet.
[00:21:26] Speaker C: Wearing my cardigan.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we do say that, but I was going to say, you know what I say to all these golfers that are complaining is I say FM. FM. And then I would tell them, and.
[00:21:37] Speaker B: I'm sorry for partying and Bacardi.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I would say to them. But with that, I think we've spent enough time on the news story of the week. Let's get into the Cleveland Browns news it. Okay, so big news out of Cleveland this week. The Cleveland Browns swept the NFL honors that they were nominated for.
[00:22:15] Speaker B: Before we get started, I mean, did you guys see this coming?
[00:22:18] Speaker A: No, I honestly didn't.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: I mean, we had four guys that were kind of like there was. We were rooting for it, certainly.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: But yeah, out of them I was pretty confident.
I was basically 100% in two of them with some of the reports coming out just before it, I would say I was fairly confident in three of them. The one caught me completely off guard. I had no idea that was going to happen. And we'll talk about which ones those are, but we'll start with coach of the year. I was pretty certain this one was going to happen. Kevin Stefanski, or Steven Stefanski, as he was called on the night, won coach of the year.
[00:22:54] Speaker B: Luckily, they had a fan that had won some kind of contest that went up to the stage with, I think it was Justin Hartley and made fun.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Of him and told him he was wrong.
[00:23:02] Speaker B: You mean Kevin? Kevin Stefanski.
[00:23:05] Speaker A: And then Kevin took it. Well, he said, it's actually Kevin, but.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Still happy to be coach of the year.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: Yeah, this is one that I saw coming. I mean, we've talked about it for weeks now, just with the number of injuries, the fact that they were able to make the run that they did at the end of the mean, what'd they win? Like four games in a row or something like that before they lost to Cincinnati?
[00:23:25] Speaker B: I mean, you think about some of the other guys that were up for this award and D'Amico Ryan's tremendous first.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: They did technically tie. I don't know if you saw the.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: Voting, the rookie quarterback, they tied, but.
[00:23:36] Speaker A: Kevin Safinsky had more first place votes, so he won.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: And I was surprised that Campbell up in Detroit, he got like, no looks for this. Didn't get as much as I would have thought because the Lions are like the Browns, right? If you turn the Lions around, that's a huge.
[00:23:55] Speaker A: I think that what set them apart was you look at Dan Campbell and Kevin Stefanski this year in very similar situations. Traditionally, Dan Campbell didn't have half the injuries that Kevin Stefanski did. So I think Kevin Stefanski knocked him out based solely on that. And then it's Kevin Stefanski versus. And had, you know, it was great down there in Houston. They weren't expected to turn around quite that quickly. But I think ultimately what prevailed is the fact that the Browns had so many injuries and so much adversity all year long that just the people that looked at this and were voting at this are probably like, I have no idea how you kept winning games this year.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: I don't know how he kept winning games.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: We're Browns fans. We have no idea how he kept winning games.
[00:24:40] Speaker C: I feel the same way.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:42] Speaker B: At least until Joe Flacco showed up. Flacco changed things quite a bit. But to win games with PJ Walker, DTR, once Deshaun went down, I mean, winning games with Deshaun, I mean, frankly, was a struggle when he was trying.
[00:24:56] Speaker A: To get his footing.
[00:24:56] Speaker B: And Deshaun was five and one, I think, as a starter this year. But it was a sloppy, it wasn't easy.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: It was on the backs of our defense. Five and one.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: I mean, he was not playing particularly well in most of those games, but good on Kevin. Look, I mean, Kevin's had his share of shit thrown at him from this show, certainly, and from a lot of places.
[00:25:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we called for them to fire him for weeks.
[00:25:22] Speaker B: Kevin win coach of the. Good, good on him.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: And I will say this, even though we called for his firing for weeks, we are now in the camp. I believe that you're with me as far as we think he should get an extension.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: Oh, I mean, I'm not going to go that far, but certainly with the job that was in front of him this year exceeded expectations by a mile.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Also, speaking of Kevin Stefanski winning coach of the year, we do have a call into the burning river sportscast hot take hotline.
[00:25:54] Speaker B: Yes, we do. Are we playing that now? I thought we were waiting till the hot take hotline.
[00:25:57] Speaker A: No, we're playing that now.
[00:25:58] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:26:00] Speaker A: I guess we'll wait. You're unprepared.
We'll play that later. But next up for the NFL honors is assistant coach of the year. This is the other one that I knew for sure Jim Schwartz was getting. And Jim Schwartz did win that one.
I mean, the defense was the best ranked defense in the league. Coming from being ranked what, like 27th last year or something stupid. I don't know the exact number, but it was in the upper 20s, I'm pretty sure.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: Yeah, we talked about Jim shorts all year long and what a godsend he was to this team, this organization.
Steve Spagnolo in Kansas City probably was worthy of this as well and the job he did with their defense.
But yeah, when you think about the job and think about turning around what was just disaster of a defense under the previous regime, won't speak his name, but yeah, jim shortz, I'm with you. I think he was. Out of all these guys, I felt best about Jim Schwartz winning a year long award for this, for sure.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
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[00:27:25] Speaker B: You'Ll find Jim shorts gym shorts.
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[00:27:30] Speaker B: The hottest gym shorts of the season.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
And then next up, this is the one that caught me way off guard, is comeback player of the year, and it was our very own Joe Flacco. And the legend of Cleveland Browns quarterback Joe Flacco continues to grow.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: I love that. Before the award happened, they asked Joe Flacco, like, how he felt about being up for comeback player of the year, and he was like, what, did I come back from old and sitting on.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: The couch for a while?
[00:27:59] Speaker B: That's what he said. He was like, I mean, I really just came back from my couch. Like, I just didn't have a job.
I didn't go anywhere.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: And he did endorse DeMar Hamlin for it, which Joe's a good guy, so you kind of figured that was coming. And I don't want to get too.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: Deep into this, but DeMar did come back from the dead.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but here's the deal. I'm actually in the camp of. I totally agree with him not getting the award because he only played, he made the roster. He played in five games this year, and he only played a total of seven snaps.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And one of them was that disastrous fake punt they ran.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And so don't get me wrong, what happened with DeMar Hamlin and the fact that he came back from the dead and is able to play football again is nothing short of phenomenal.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: Well, I think it just goes in a miracle that people all around the league understand that quarterbacking the Browns to wins is harder than coming back from the dead.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. Joe Flacco, just of note here, he also beat off Baker Mayfield for this award.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: I thought Baker had a pretty good shot to win this know, obviously again, Demar came back from the dead, excluding that, like, Baker had a full season's.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: Worth of, and he had a very good season. I gave him props last week. Yeah, you don't hear me give Baker props very often, but I gave him props last week. I said he played well, but Joe.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: Flacco's comeback player of the year.
[00:29:24] Speaker A: He is big Joe Flacco again. This one caught me completely off guard.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: This is probably the most.
[00:29:32] Speaker A: I feel shocked.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: Controversial of them all.
[00:29:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say so. Finally, to round out the NFL honors, Miles Garrett won defensive player of the year. Finally captures that title. Been chasing. I feel like for a couple, at least four or four seasons.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: Feels like every season.
[00:29:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And been very close multiple times, and he finally takes the award home. And this one was kind of the best one to me. Again, this one caught me off guard a little bit. If I'm ranking them, I pretty much knew coach of the year and assistant coach of the year. I thought that the Browns were taking those home no matter what. This is the one I was saying. I started to get more confident as it got closer because all the reports coming out weren't value. Like TJ Watt obviously had a lot of sacks this year, but all the people that vote on this were looking more at advanced analytics and stats and things like that. And when you start talking about that Miles Garrett wins all of those.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: Well, I think what helped, too was he won the Pro Football Writers of America defensive player of the year first. So that was like a week or two before the AP awards got released.
[00:30:40] Speaker A: Technically, though, these ones were already voted on before. Those were true. True.
[00:30:45] Speaker B: But in terms of just like expectations.
[00:30:49] Speaker A: As far as me feeling more confident.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Than once that came out, I was pretty confident that Miles, they saw it.
[00:30:55] Speaker A: Why wouldn't these other guys see it?
[00:30:57] Speaker B: But again, controversy, certainly, and it's not unwarranted. I mean, there were other guys that had more know. The thing with Miles Garrett is like we talked about all, like, when you look at advanced analytics and matchups won, I mean, this guy wins his matchup every time. He's always better than the guy across from know. Does that always mean that he's getting three sacks a game or he's making the biggest impact on the game? No, but like Kevin said earlier in the, like, he's the best defensive player on the best defense in the league. And ultimately, I think that was enough to bring it home. It feels like in years past, Miles probably had a stronger case statistically, honestly, for this award, which kind of makes me go like, you almost feel like the politics of the NFL, and it was this guy's turn.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: I don't know, because to me, again, just as the NFL is going, they're leaning, not just gms and coaches and everybody else everywhere, they're leaning more and more into these advanced analytics. And so I think it's just the way the game's going. I don't know that politics necessarily played into it. So that's the big uproar right now, is Steelers fans are crying and saying it was undeserved and that this particular award was fixed because it was his turn. Who cares what Steelers. True. That's the first thing is we don't give a shit what they think fm f them all.
But if this one's fixed, then that means they're all fixed. So you're telling me none of the other awards that happened this week made, like, they didn't count? They're all fixed.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: I mean, if you're a Browns fan, it feels great, but if you're anywhere else in the NFL, you probably are, like, why didn't Dan Campbell get a shot? Or why didn't get a shot?
[00:32:38] Speaker A: I will say this for so, you know, we're talking about Miles Garrett and his case to win, right? And all these advanced analytics.
We don't really get into too many advanced analytics because I don't feel like writing all these down and rattling them off to our fans.
[00:32:59] Speaker B: A lot of these are behind paywalls right now. They're not as accessible as the stuff that you can find on ESPN. Right. I mean, you have to pay literally subscriptions for pro Football Focus.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: And just honestly, the numbers game isn't really us. But I will say this, some of the ones that did stand out to me that I will throw out there is like, his win rate against double teams was like one of the biggest ones, right?
[00:33:27] Speaker B: And it was like three times what TJ Watts was.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Especially so you have, their win rate against a single defender was like almost identical across Miles Garrett, TJ Watt and Micah Parsons. It was almost identical. And then when they went to matchups against double teams, Michael Parsons actually won that just barely by like a percentage or something like that over Miles Garrett. And both of them were like three times better than Watt. So to me, and that's even considering Miles Garrett's injury and the fact that he was less effective down the stretch of the season and everything like that. So that tells me that teams in general just aren't as afraid of TJ Watt as they are of Miles Garrett as far as game planning and things like that, because the other part of it was Miles Garrett got double teamed like twice as much as Watt.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: Well, here's the thing I'd say, too, is, like, defensive player of the year, it's a nice award to have guys like Micah Parsons, guys like TJ Watt, were in the conversation just like in years past when Miles didn't win it and he finished second or third.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: There's an argument for all of, like.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: They'Re all top tier NFL players, they're all the best in what they.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: Those.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: It's just a matter of the award went to Miles this year, right?
[00:34:43] Speaker A: And those were the top three. And even Micah Parsons came out, was like yeah, Miles Garrett deserved it this year because he affected the game more than anybody in the truthfully.
[00:34:53] Speaker B: And again, we talked about this every week. It's like whether or not Miles had sacks or not. Was Miles winning his matchup? And was Miles disruptive in the backfield? Was Miles, did Miles have a hand? At one point we talked about, like, did we get a hand on the quarterback statistic? Because it felt like Miles was always just rushing just enough to disrupt a pass, but maybe not to get home with a sack. And it's like those are game changing moments when a quarterback's off balance, can't throws getting knocked to the ground.
[00:35:19] Speaker A: There's a couple, even if they're not.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: Getting a sack, there's a couple of.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: Kansas City players in the Super bowl that didn't get any sacks that really.
Sure, yeah. I mean, it's just everywhere. It's not just about the sacks. And sure, TJ Watt got home more than anybody this year, but it's not solely based on who's got the most sacks, or else it would just be the sack leader award.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: It does feel like defensive player of the year only goes to edge rushers now.
[00:35:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty annoying. I'd love to see, like, a safety or something win at one time.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: It just doesn't happen anymore. It's almost like, do we need to just pass rusher of the year award and then to reserve? Because there was other guys, like how.
[00:36:05] Speaker A: Offensive player of the year always goes to.
[00:36:07] Speaker B: Well, the MVP always goes to MVP.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: Also always goes, offensive player of the.
[00:36:11] Speaker B: Year is like MVP of the league. But we have to give MVP the quarterbacks. Right?
[00:36:15] Speaker A: They're the quarterbacks.
[00:36:16] Speaker B: It feels like defensive player of the year is kind of going the same way, where you need some way to distinguish this is the best pass rusher in the league? I don't know.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. Does that devalue it then?
[00:36:31] Speaker B: Because you're like, maybe, but the fact that no one besides an edge rusher can win now is kind of sad.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: It is kind of sad. Like I said, I'd love to see, like, a safety or a corner win at one time.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, there were guys this year that had boatloads of interceptions and things. It's like they weren't even in the conversation.
[00:36:51] Speaker A: But, yeah. So I don't know. I think Miles Garrett earned it and he's defense player of the year, so I don't really give a shit what.
[00:36:57] Speaker B: Everybody else look like. The Browns didn't win a Super bowl, and we don't win very much of anything ever. So the fact that we're going to celebrate this, the fact that we took home all the NFL honors that we were nominated for.
[00:37:08] Speaker A: Listen, four for four.
[00:37:09] Speaker B: Hell yeah.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: This is literally as good as I could feel Super bowl week without being in the Super bowl.
[00:37:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:37:15] Speaker A: So I'm pretty excited about it.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Hell yeah.
[00:37:17] Speaker A: Another Browns news, though. The Haslams have purchased 176 or have signed an agreement to possibly purchase 176 acres of land in Brook park, right near the airport and pretty close to their Berea headquarters. And so it begs the question, are the Browns moving?
What are your thoughts here, Kenny? What did you think when you saw this story?
[00:37:38] Speaker B: I was shocked. First all, I did not expect to see that. Brook park, especially is a strange area. To me, Brook park is not big. I mean, it's a suburb just outside of Cleveland. I think it's home to around 19,000 residents. So when you think about, like, a tax base there, it's nonexistent compared to Cleveland.
So I think obviously, there's a bunch of questions that. That opens up right out of the gate, meaning the county probably is then going to be looked upon for financial support here.
Brook park, in this area, there's kind of like some seedy businesses and things. Not the best part of town that's.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: Kind of all around the. Right.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And. But I will say, I feel like.
[00:38:27] Speaker A: That'S not a Cleveland exclusive thing.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: I will say I do think it's easier to get in and out of.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: The accessibility of the site is probably.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: I love going to Browns games, but I hate going to the Browns game. Right. The parking is atrocious. You have to walk forever, even to get dropped off in an Uber. Get dropped off anywhere near the stadium.
[00:38:51] Speaker A: Especially if you're not planning on tailgating all day at the munium. It's awful.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: I mean, your best bet is to pony up and pay for the stadium parking pass, but then you're stuck in the stadium for hours trying to get.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: Out of there forever.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: To me, that's the biggest positive is I think you have two major intersection or two major highways running through there between 71 and 480. And it's just easier to get around because it's the suburbs than it is downtown, especially because Cleveland Brown Stadium is effectively a dead end. Right. I mean, it's the lake.
So that part is like a positive to me. I think when you look at where it's kind of like how the Bills have in Orchard park, they got their stadium, the Ralph, or whatever they're calling it, now is kind of not downtown.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: A lot of stadiums are going to this now. I think they said like a third of the stadiums in the NFL are not in their quote unquote, downtown area.
[00:39:49] Speaker B: Yeah, like Jerry World is in Arlington now. It's not in Dallas. So I think they're taking cues from that because the fact of the matter is people have for the last 40 and 50 years, kind of this urban crawl or sprawl is like, that's where people live now.
It was different when you had the old municipal stadium and everybody lived downtown because that was just the center of commerce and everybody worked downtown. Now, that's not the case.
So, do you know a little bit further south, a little bit closer to maybe like your fan base in Columbus? There's a lot of hotels and things in the area certainly able to house people that are coming in for a game.
But I just think you lose the mystique of the lake, which I don't know, is that enough to keep the stadium downtown? The fact that you're on the lake shore, especially since we've talked for literally decades, my entire lifetime, and before I even existed in this world, they've been talking about developing the lakeshore and nothing ever happens. We go through this every five to seven years where there's some kind of.
[00:40:56] Speaker A: The mayor bib was determined community initiative.
[00:40:58] Speaker C: Yeah, they put out some rendered drawing.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: That looks real nice every time, and nothing ever happens with it. So potentially, could Cleveland Brown Stadium being moved off the lakeshore make way for development of the lakeshore? Possibly. I don't know, but it certainly feels like if the stadium were going to be kept there, they would need to see some kind of community development around the area.
Just something about playing on the lake, though, with the lake effect snow and the wind and knowing how it's going.
[00:41:27] Speaker A: To be gone anyways. Because they want at least a retractable roof on this thing.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: Right. And retractable roof is so much more.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: I mean, I guess you could theoretically still have the elements if you have a retractable roof at least, though. Sure.
[00:41:40] Speaker B: And I think that's the plan, right, is that they would leave it open air for games.
But I'm torn on this whole thing because I know that if they build new stadium, it's going to be some kind of dome stadium. I'm very not optimistic that they're going to get away with a retractable dome because the cost is so much more. We already know. Look, this whole thing has already started, right? The Haslams signing a purchase agreement in Brook park is the start of a pissing match between them and the city of Cleveland.
[00:42:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's a great segue, because that was going to be my next question. Is this just a power move? And so let me rewind just a little bit here. And you talked about Brook park and whether or not this was a good location and those types of things. You did mention the accessibility. And as they develop, the other thing that people forget in the whole shuffle of this thing is that we've already signed something into law and taxes are coming. All that stuff. It's getting funded. The airport is getting a multimillion dollar renovation. It's going to be a lot bigger, more major airport than it has been in the past. And with that, where they purchased the land is right near the airport. And so it probably ties in really well, to your point, for people that are traveling in for games and those types of things. And it makes it really easy to come see the Browns play, especially when you don't live in Cleveland.
And so I think that's actually really big for them.
But to your point, I think this is a power move in the start of a pissing match. And I think that they signed this agreement specifically to piss off Mayor Bib and say, because the optics on this, I don't know if they both released statements and whatever, and they are what they are. You could go read those.
[00:43:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Mayor Bib said he's committed to keeping them on the lakeshore.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: Yep. And what I didn't like, and this is part of this whole back and forth and them playing this whole game with each other is Mayor Bibb tried to take credit for, like, it was my plans to do this for developing the lakeshore, when really. The Haslams. Yeah.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: The Haslam group was the last team.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: That put out a rendering, and they started the conversations way back when. So it's like, they said that it was like a backhanded, like, yeah, you go over there, we're the ones that are developing the lakeshore, and they're like, well, that's fine.
If you don't want to help us out tax wise or whatever the case may be, then we're going to go over here. So it's this back and forth, and.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: This is always a conversation that I'm torn on, because a. I'm a believer in that taxation is theft, all taxation.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:44:09] Speaker C: I agree.
[00:44:11] Speaker B: But in the case of a stadium, when you think about the economic impact of the Browns being downtown, even just for eight games a year. Right. The restaurants, the businesses, the shops, everything that gets frequented, the hotels that are downtown, that's a huge loss in terms of revenue.
[00:44:28] Speaker A: And if you do renovate the stadium with a retractable roof or even a dome, think about all the other stuff that goes along with that as far as bringing people into downtown. Well, sure.
[00:44:37] Speaker B: So I think that there's positives to keeping it there, right, because of the economic impacts downtown. But what I'm saying is if you pull them out of downtown, you lose that. But then it's like the conversation is always, well, what is the city going to put forward for funding? And these stadiums are no longer like. I think when art model left and they built the new stadium in Baltimore, it was like a shoot.
It was like a $40 million affair.
[00:45:09] Speaker A: Kenny's officially glitching on our show.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: My brain is broken. It was like a 400 million dollar affair.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: Now they're like in the billion, these stadiums.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: Now, to build a dome stadium is going to cost you a minimum of two, two and a half bill. To build a retractable dome, you're looking at close to three or four.
I mean, this is a whole different ballgame. This isn't like the city can put forward $100 million and it's like they can just send tax on cigarettes and gambling, and marijuana now is recreationally illegal in Ohio. Maybe that plays into it, but they're going to need a lot of money.
You're looking at a pretty significant tax burden that's going to hit the city over the next few years.
[00:45:48] Speaker A: Well, the thing is, they have avenues, right?
[00:45:51] Speaker B: I guess what I'm saying is you have this tax burden, but if it's important for the businesses downtown, then, and the residents to say we want our downtown to remain vibrant and we want people to come down here for Browns games all season long, especially if they make it to the playoffs, and like, that's so important to, like, maybe we should pitch in with it.
[00:46:10] Speaker A: Well, I thought I heard stuff about possibly getting some. I don't know what portion of it there would be. I mean, I'm not talking like, I know exactly what's happening with these discussions, but, like some federal money because now you're developing the lakeshore.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: Well, that's all part of it, right? Because when you think about talking about.
[00:46:26] Speaker A: Going over highways, when you're thinking about.
[00:46:28] Speaker B: $4 billion, there's certainly going to be part of that. That's federal funding, but that's going to be a minute percentage compared to the rest. Right? So it's like, if they can get 75 million in federal funding. Like, okay, that's a nice chunk. And hasms are going to throw in 300 or 500 million of their own money. You're still several billion dollars short of where you need to be to build a new stadium.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: It's a problem when your owners can't just write a check and pay for this whole thing. Now, that's expensive.
[00:46:55] Speaker B: But now you look at it and say, okay, the Haslams purchase. If they're going to purchase 180 acres in Brook park, and they would own the entire complex, they would own the land. Land for parking. So you don't have to, as a fan, go down there and decide whether you're going to pay $75 to park at the stadium, $50 to park in the munilot, 15 to walk 6 miles to the stadium. Everything would be owned by the step, by the Haslams. They're getting all the parking revenue.
[00:47:18] Speaker A: They would have the whole complex through the whole thing.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: Yeah, be the set right through the whole thing. You'd have the whole complex that they could develop and sublease to restaurants, to hotels that want to build on the property. I think Brown's stadium right now sits on a little less than hundred acres, so you have almost double that area to develop for parking. Other businesses, restaurants, hotels. And the Haslams own it all. So is that more incentive then for the Haslams to go in and say, because we're now going to be the beneficiary of all the revenue, maybe we'll put forward $2 billion or $3 billion to build a stadium, because over the lifecycle of this deal, make money.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: Imagine, too, in that scenario, everything, every amusement park, everything you go to nowadays is all about being immersive. Imagine the immersive game day experience you could have if you own the hotel that's right next to the field, and you say, we made this. I'm just using this as an example. We made this. The holiday. That's not a great hotel, but we'll do the Hilton. That's a little better. The Hilton by the Cleveland Browns or whatever. And it's literally browns themed. And it has basically a museum in it. Some exhibits that you could see. Your room could be like, if you pay the premium package, you get like a brown themed room and all kinds of stuff and possibly autographed materials that are included in the room price, like, whatever the possibilities. And it's all immersive.
[00:48:36] Speaker B: They're endless there.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that would be popular.
[00:48:41] Speaker B: So I think that should be a marketing. The bar on the campus would be like, first and ten, it would be a very immersive experience. And again, the Haslams are the beneficiary there. So are they willing to then pony up more cash up front? Because this thing, like I said, they're going to want the city to this at that point.
[00:49:00] Speaker A: Then you're going to be like, we'll just go get some investors. Because I know the Hezlans know a lot of rich people. Sure.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: So I just think there's a bunch of possibilities there.
I still personally am skeptical of, like, I think all the stadiums eventually are moving to dome because you just have to have a dome now because the experience is so much different. To go to use the facility for things other than football games, eight times a year, you almost have to have a dome. I think a retractable is just so expensive. And I don't know that they're going to come up with the money in northeast Ohio.
Atlanta could do it. Atlanta has like, 7 million people there. Cleveland has 350,000. It's exponentially different.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: On top of that, how many of these northern teams have a retractable roof? I mean, I'm not asking you to actually answer that. It's more of a rhetorical question. I don't think there's very many.
I legitimately wonder, just because of my day job profession and what we sell, we sell mechanical things and whatever, like, I wonder how the mechanisms for opening and closing the roof will hold up in Cleveland. Winters.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: Great question. Great question.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: Like, compared to. You have it down in Dallas and it's warm once every five years.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: You look at the Falcon Stadium, that spiral opens.
That's such a complex for a building that size.
[00:50:25] Speaker A: And again, it freezes once every five years.
[00:50:27] Speaker B: It doesn't snow there. They're not going to end up with 6ft of lake effect snow. On top of all ice build up.
[00:50:33] Speaker C: We have precipitation.
[00:50:34] Speaker A: It just begs the question, like, how does that work?
[00:50:37] Speaker B: Which is why I think you probably see just in places like Minneapolis, it's just a.
Like, there's no reason to do. I mean, really, outside of opening the stadium to have open air games for the Browns, what reason would you put a retractable roof on Cleveland? Brown Stadium. An open air stadium in Cleveland most of the year.
[00:50:55] Speaker A: It's funny because you have the two sides, right? You have me who's like, I want as many events as I could possibly get there. I don't care if it means a full dome. I would prefer a retractable roof so that we could do the games with open air and whatever but if it was a dome, I'd prefer that over an open air stadium. And then you have all the people that are like, the purists that are like, we have to have open air. There's. Football is played in the elements.
We're talking about billions of dollars to just like, we'll just go in the middle.
We got to try and appease as many people as possible. Damn the effects on the economy and the taxes of all these people.
Let me just say that anybody that complains about taxes and stuff for this thing, you got to pick a side, because if you're somewhere in the middle, then you want the most taxes.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: Well, that's what I mean. Right? I'm always torn on this because it's like the economic development piece and the economic impact. It would be huge for those bars downtown to lose the revenue from the Browns.
[00:51:55] Speaker A: Most of them would close. They just came back in the last few years. The flats is bumping now, and the flats was dead for, like, 15 years.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: You got to imagine what they make on Cleveland Browns games probably amounts to for some of these businesses to be like, I don't know, a 10th or a quarter of their revenue for the year.
[00:52:10] Speaker A: And I absolutely love going into downtown Cleveland and spending the day down there during games or whatever the case is.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: Great experience.
[00:52:18] Speaker A: Even east fourth, which is a really good time. I mean, restaurants are having trouble surviving on east fourth, and that's one of the most vibrant places in all of Cleveland. So you take away Browns games, and.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: Again, it's because people don't live downtown. This year was the first year more people have moved into downtown than out of downtown for, like, the last 40 years. Wow.
Just crazy.
That's unusual. So it's like, is that an anomaly? It is right now. We'll see if that continues. But for the most part, people have moved out of cities, and I would.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: Assume that they're going to continue to move out of the cities because, yeah, we're now talking about work from home and all the effects of COVID the after effects and whatever.
[00:53:01] Speaker B: People don't want to do public transport. Things like, you don't want to be in a car with six other.
Yeah, I just. I think that as things continue to get pushed back out of Cleveland, here's the other interesting piece, too. As Cleveland continues to be pushed back out, do places like Brook park end up annexed by Cleveland? And does Cleveland in the next 30.
[00:53:22] Speaker A: Or 40 years become an Atlanta?
[00:53:24] Speaker B: Does Brook park become the center of Cleveland in the next 40 years?
[00:53:29] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:53:29] Speaker B: The answer, the way buildings keep. Because you can only build so much by Lakeshore, right? Like, downtown Cleveland is pretty full. Not that there's a ton of skyscrapers, but there's tons of buildings. You can only house so many businesses there. If Cleveland keeps growing, I think Ohio.
[00:53:42] Speaker A: City and those ones just across the river are going to be the first ones that are annexed. And that'll be like, you're saying it'll be a slow migration down the lakeshore, right.
[00:53:51] Speaker B: And so maybe downtown becomes Brook park in the next two, three decades, and then you have this beautiful stadium that's in the middle of downtown. So I don't know. I'm torn on this. I think eventually they're probably going to end up building a dome. So if I had to gun to.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: My head, I was going to say gut feeling. Tell us right now what you think is going to end up happening.
[00:54:10] Speaker B: If I had to pick, I think they're going to build a dome. And I think if they really want to do this, I think Brook park location makes sense because they can be the beneficiary and owner of everything that's there. I'm also a big fan of new, shiny things.
Renovating Cleveland Brown Stadium would be cool, but there's no historical attachment there. The team has been asked for two decades.
[00:54:31] Speaker A: It's almost like a fresh start now. We made the playoffs.
[00:54:34] Speaker B: Fresh start. And we get this brand new, gigantic, beautiful building that we can use for all these different events and lesser two evils, I guess. Build a dome at Brook park so.
[00:54:45] Speaker A: You don't have anything for the. I do know there's a small contingency of people who are like, this will be the second owner to move out of downtown Cleveland in the last however many years.
[00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't want to buy that argument.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: They're still in Cleveland.
[00:54:56] Speaker B: Armontell moved them out of the state.
[00:54:58] Speaker A: They're still in Cleveland.
[00:54:59] Speaker B: I would be pissed if they moved them to Columbus.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: Right? Yes, I agree with that.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: But they're moving them.
[00:55:04] Speaker A: They're still in Cleveland.
[00:55:06] Speaker B: Minutes.
[00:55:06] Speaker A: It's a Cleveland suburb where they're still in Cleveland.
[00:55:08] Speaker B: And they're still in Cleveland. Which, again, which we've just talked about, I believe eventually becomes a part of the greater Cleveland metropolitan area. Anyways.
Yeah, I guess, like I said, go into my head, build a brand new dome in Brook park and call it a day.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: Bone, what's your, what's your final take? What do you think they're going to do?
[00:55:27] Speaker C: I like new, shiny things, too. And I would like the browns to be in a dome. I've been to some cold ass games at Cleveland Brown Stadium and I enjoy it when it's warmer.
[00:55:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
[00:55:35] Speaker B: It's a better viewing experience.
[00:55:37] Speaker C: I'd like to think I'm tough, but when you're cold and you're sitting there and it's just going to be miserable.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: It don't matter how tough you are. Mother Nature is undefeated. Right? So you guys both have dome in Brook park.
I'm going to differ from your guys opinion a little bit. I think we end up with a dome in the existing location.
[00:55:57] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:55:57] Speaker A: I think is what ends up happening.
[00:55:59] Speaker B: I think it would be cheaper.
[00:56:00] Speaker A: I think they finally find a way. I know again, you talked about it. They've been talking about developing the lakefront for 40 years plus.
I think they finally find a way and cooler minds or cooler heads prevail and they say, okay, we've got to come together and really work together in order to make this work. And I think they do it. I don't know if it means a brand new stadium there or somehow renovating that stadium to make it a dome, but I'm going with dome in their existing location.
[00:56:29] Speaker B: I just think that it's so crazy that there's not more momentum about developing the lake. Look at Chicago. I hate Chicago.
[00:56:36] Speaker A: We just talked about this a few episodes ago.
[00:56:38] Speaker B: But what they've done, it's beautiful. I mean, to have that lake there and to have the beaches in the summertime. If you've ever been there in July, what's one of the events and things out there on the beach and you're right next to the city? It's incredible.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: If you go up to Cleveland, one of the nicest places to go around Cleveland is Edgewater park.
[00:56:56] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:56:57] Speaker A: And it's a nice beach that's about ten minutes away from downtown Cleveland. Like, imagine if they did that all up there.
[00:57:02] Speaker B: Get hotels and things that were there and resorts and restaurants.
Why not us? Why is incapable of putting that together?
[00:57:12] Speaker A: One last note on this.
So this story was such a non story that the editor for cleveland.com wrote a story about how it wasn't a story. And in his story he made it clear that they didn't write stories about non stories.
[00:57:28] Speaker B: He said they weren't going to be a pawns in the Cleveland Browns game.
[00:57:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So, I mean, what was that guy's name?
[00:57:33] Speaker B: Chris Quinn.
[00:57:34] Speaker A: Chris Quinn wrote a story about how they won't write stories about non stories while writing a story about a non story.
[00:57:41] Speaker B: If you feel like it's not newsworthy. Fine, but then just don't write anything.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: It was so time, and I feel like an idiot now that I did, but I took the time to read his article and I was like, what's the thing in Billy Madison?
[00:57:59] Speaker B: We are all now dumber for having listened to this.
My God, have mercy on your soul.
[00:58:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's where I'm at with this.
[00:58:05] Speaker B: It was just like a chest thumping piece.
We're too good to write about trash like this. Just so you guys know.
[00:58:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And then at the end, he just passive aggressive. Here's the statements from the team and from the Haslams. Yeah, whatever.
[00:58:21] Speaker B: Trash journalism.
[00:58:22] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, so in other Browns news here, the Browns are set to. We already did another Browns news, but.
[00:58:29] Speaker B: We'Ll do it again.
[00:58:31] Speaker A: In more other Browns news, the Browns are set to extend the contracts of Kevin Stefanski, Andrew Berry. It was reported this week that the news could be made official any day now as the owners like the direction the team is heading in. So what do you think about extending Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry?
[00:58:48] Speaker B: It's a.
[00:58:51] Speaker A: We've been more successful in the last four or five years than we have been since we've been back.
[00:58:58] Speaker B: To say we're going to go into this year without an extension for both of these guys just isn't going to be popular with anyone.
No coach likes to be on the last year of their deal without having something in the future, especially one that's just one coach of the year for.
[00:59:15] Speaker A: The second time out of four years.
[00:59:17] Speaker B: Twice, which is pretty unheard of because they don't like to give to the same guy twice.
So it's a have to. I would just caution the haslams and deepdest or anybody else that's in this situation.
I think the flavor of the moment for these extensions is to, like, when you found your guy. Like, they write these like seven and ten year deals for these guys.
[00:59:45] Speaker A: Give them like a five year extension.
[00:59:47] Speaker B: I don't want to see.
I'd be way happier with a two or three year extension on these guys.
[00:59:53] Speaker A: I think two or three still kind of unpopular, but it's just because of.
[00:59:57] Speaker B: The turnover, especially, too.
[00:59:59] Speaker A: We just talked about this last week and Antonio Pierce lost a hire because he would only offer two.
[01:00:05] Speaker B: Sure, but it's still more stability than they would have if you didn't extend them. And I just worry about, like, okay, we're about to build a new stadium. Do you want to be paying Kevin Stefanski for the next seven of the next nine years? And he's not your coach. Like, this thing could go downhill very quickly still. Look, I'm a believer that Kevin Stefanski did a great job this year. I don't know what that means for next year with Deshaun Watson coming back. Deshaun Watson could start next year at one and seven and look like the worst quarterback in the AFC North.
[01:00:37] Speaker A: Guy's falling again.
[01:00:38] Speaker B: And you'd be like, what do we do? Stefani is still calling plays. We can't get him to stop calling plays. He's calling plays in his sleep. He's calling plays in press conference. Listen, all he does is call plays. Every time they interview him, he's like, he's x right, 32 400 steam. Kevin, stop calling plays. Like, he just won't stop calling plays, bro.
[01:00:56] Speaker A: The offseason literally just started and we came off of a pretty good run. At the end of this season, everybody's feeling good. We just won all of the NFL honors and you're just pissing in my cornflakes right now.
[01:01:09] Speaker B: Look, here's the thing. I'll be honest with you on my honest take, I'll never forgive either one of these guys for dropping Baker. Like they of.
[01:01:18] Speaker A: I kind of knew that. I mean, anybody that listens to the show regularly knows that's deep down in.
[01:01:22] Speaker B: There and said he's good, but he's not good enough to win the Super Bowl. I think Kevin Stefanski and injury has.
[01:01:30] Speaker A: Best year ever and he couldn't win with the Bucks.
[01:01:32] Speaker B: I think that they're good. Okay. The Bucks were in a transitional year and weren't expected to even make the playoffs. They were expected to win four games and they made it deeper in the playoffs. Lost and the Browns did.
I just think both these guys, like, can you win with them? Sure. Could you find somebody better? Absolutely. That's my take on it.
[01:01:48] Speaker A: You think they are the Baker Mayfield of coaching?
[01:01:50] Speaker B: I think they are the Baker Mayfield of coaching. I think they should go try it somewhere else and be mediocre, too.
[01:01:56] Speaker A: Fair bone.
How do you feel about the extensions?
[01:02:01] Speaker C: I think you have good.
[01:02:05] Speaker A: You think it's a good thing, though?
[01:02:07] Speaker C: I'm kind of on the fence with it, too.
I still not very confident in the Deshaun Watson trade. It's like. And Andrew Berry is a mastermind of that. It's like it's not looking that good. He hasn't looked that good.
[01:02:21] Speaker A: I will give it to both of you. Is that we're not far enough in that whole thing. He actually just made a comment recently that I did not like, at all. And he said that that trade, when they made that trade, he figured it was more of, we'll look at this in like ten years and evaluate how that went. And it's like, wait, hold on. You went into this thing with a ten year time frame on a quarterback in the NFL that has this many.
[01:02:47] Speaker B: And here's the thing. I still look at a lot of the talent that's here. That's your premier talent. Miles Garrett, Nick Chubb, these guys, these were John Dorsey picks.
[01:02:55] Speaker C: I say bring back John Dorsey.
[01:02:57] Speaker B: The guys that are here, that are impact players, a lot of them weren't picked by Andrew Barry, Martin Emerson.
[01:03:02] Speaker A: He's got him.
[01:03:03] Speaker B: Some of them, a couple of them.
[01:03:05] Speaker A: But Andrew Barry also picked up.
[01:03:12] Speaker C: Brought in some good free agents.
[01:03:14] Speaker B: Great.
[01:03:14] Speaker A: The free agents have been good this year specifically.
[01:03:19] Speaker B: They had a good personnel year. I thought for sure, which is, like I said, are they good? Sure. Can you Super bowl with them?
[01:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah, man. I was feeling a lot more confident before I talked to you guys. That's for sure. You guys pointed out some things that I think are fair points.
I just think that we've been far more successful these last four years than we have. Sure.
[01:03:43] Speaker B: And I'm not going to take that away from them. Just like I wouldn't take away the fact that Baker was the quarterback and the guy that started a lot of that.
Baker was the most successful quarterback you've had in the last two decades, but that still wasn't good enough to keep him.
[01:03:56] Speaker A: That's true. And I will say to that point, my whole thinking on Baker was, was he enough to win you a would say, I would argue not when the standard is Patrick Mahomes and you have to, not necessarily that we're going to get a Patrick Mahomes, but you got to get somebody that could possibly beat him. I didn't think Baker Mayfield was that guy, but now, now you flip the argument and you really fucked with my head here. You're like, well, is Andrew Barry and Kevaste the guy to get you in a Super bowl? Well, damn. Damn. Yeah.
[01:04:25] Speaker B: It's a great question.
[01:04:26] Speaker A: It's a good question and it's valid. Look, I would say that for better or worse, I think a lot of those questions will 100% be answered after next year because, and that's what sucks about that. This is when we have to, the front office has the pressure to either give them an extension or not because Deshaun Watson still doesn't play up to what we thought he could next year. That trade's looking really bad. So then Andrew Barry's looking bad. And if, because he's not playing up to what he should be, the team isn't playing as well as they should be. And we regress next year and they say they win eight games now Kevin Stefanski doesn't look so good. And so we're having a completely different discussion next year. And I just gained respect for Kevin Stefanski like six games.
Know it took that long to get it. I don't know how quickly he loses it. If we start poorly next mean, it's, it's. I know that overall Browns fans feel pretty good right now, and I think that's well deserved. They had a good season.
They won a lot of awards. They have a lot of young talent.
[01:05:37] Speaker B: You can't not extend them.
[01:05:38] Speaker A: But at the same time, I think that as the offseason progresses, I think that even the most optimistic Browns fans, especially when the news that I think is going to hits the fact that they're cutting Nick Chubb, that's not a fact yet. But to me, all the writings on the wall that that's going to happen.
I think all of a sudden even the most optimistic Browns fans start getting a little antsy and they're like, this is starting to feel like a Cleveland Browns offseason.
And I don't know where we go from there.
[01:06:12] Speaker B: I mean, here's another thing is you said, is Baker good enough to win you a, like, is Deshaun at this point?
[01:06:18] Speaker A: I don't mean, I think most people would say no.
[01:06:21] Speaker B: The Super bowl was this week. Like, looking back on it, what did we learn?
How do you beat the, like, how do you get to that level? Is Deshaun that level?
[01:06:29] Speaker A: And I don't think to this point, I will say he hasn't showed that at all. I don't think we're to a point where we can say absolutely not, but I think we're about as close as you can get to he.
[01:06:40] Speaker B: Is he, is he, is he even CJ stroud level at this point?
[01:06:46] Speaker A: I don't know. And there's people out there that argue that he is still, and to me, I haven't seen it in three, four years now. So I don't know if he, again, I mean, that's why it sucks that right now is when we have to decide if we're going to extend everybody. Because I think really most of these questions get answered this coming season when there's not as much adversity, because the fact that we had so much adversity and so many injuries and so many things go wrong this year and battled through them. It's kind of like, I don't know if you remember last year we talked last year about the historic level of bad luck they had as far as bounces in games and different things. I'm talking about game luck and people that watch football know what I'm talking about.
This year they had a historical level of good luck. Not on the injury front. That part was all really bad luck. But I'm talking about in game like play, they had historically good luck. And so next year it's going to settle right in the middle. I have a feeling. And even if it doesn't settle in the middle, like what if it swings all the way back and now all.
[01:07:56] Speaker B: Of a sudden we talk about any team that makes it to the Super bowl. Even the best teams make it there because of a tremendous amount of luck. Yeah, I mean, think about how healthy the Chiefs were going into this.
Mean they had two. They have issues with their tackles right.
[01:08:11] Speaker A: Now, but even in game, I think everybody across the NFL will agree that the Chiefs are the luckiest with calls and everything else. Sure.
[01:08:18] Speaker B: I mean, the punt that gets know. Anyway, I just think again, you have to extend them. I don't want to see long term extensions. I'd like to see short term extensions.
[01:08:30] Speaker A: Because I'd be okay with like four or five.
[01:08:33] Speaker B: Say these guys are both going to be fired before five years.
[01:08:37] Speaker A: I would say that my sweet spot.
[01:08:38] Speaker B: Though, unless Deshaun is the MVP of the league next year, these guys are fired before five.
[01:08:42] Speaker A: I would probably agree with you, but I'm just saying my sweet spot would be if they gave him four years, I would be like, okay, that's at least showing you have enough confidence in them to keep moving forward, but it's not giving them the seven, eight year contract that you're talking about.
[01:08:55] Speaker B: And to that, I would say enjoy paying these guys.
[01:08:57] Speaker A: While they don't coach for you, everybody else does. So why don't we join the club?
In other coaching news, though, the Browns may be losing a new hire to UCLA with the news that Chip Kelly is taking over the offensive coordinator spot at Ohio State. There is a head coaching job at UCLA and Tommy Reese, who the Browns recently hired as their tight ends coach as a front runner to possibly land that job.
[01:09:19] Speaker B: Yeah, he's only 31, but seems to be really highly respected as a Coach already. Obviously the Browns signed him out of Alabama. Sounds like he has a lot of family ties to the area. His dad coached there. His brother played there.
He seems to be, like, their number one mean. Put yourself in a situation. Do you want to be the Browns passing game coordinator and Titans coach, or do you want to be the head coach of legendary college football program? Yeah, he's from Los Angeles. Like to go back there to UCLA?
[01:09:53] Speaker A: UCLA is in the big ten now, aren't they?
[01:09:55] Speaker C: Yeah. Starting this year, I believe.
[01:09:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you're a big ten head coach.
[01:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
Just building the resume. Right.
[01:10:04] Speaker A: Look at Chip Kelly, though. Chip Kelly is like, I was a big ten head coach. I wanted to be a big ten offensive coordinator, though, so fuck you guys.
[01:10:11] Speaker B: Chip Kelly has been very vocal about the trouble with Nil and the trouble with the transfer portal.
[01:10:19] Speaker A: If you can't beat them, join them.
[01:10:20] Speaker B: And I think that's kind of what he led to him. He was like, I'm tired of screwing with this. Let somebody else do it. I'll just call plays and have fun and make money.
[01:10:28] Speaker A: Yeah. With a team that gets all the nil.
[01:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll just keep getting all the nil deals. I mean, that's the way college football.
[01:10:34] Speaker A: The rich get richer.
[01:10:35] Speaker B: It is. It's the teams that have momentum up until Saban left Alabama. How state? Clemson, Georgia. You just can't compete with those teams right now.
[01:10:44] Speaker A: I will say this.
I'm glad that as much as I would never think I would have said this, I'm glad Urban Meyer went down in a ball of flames because it allowed for Ryan day to come in and not be like when Saban retired. Everybody jumped ship when Urban Meyer went down. They're like, well, it's Urban Meyer's guy, so whatever.
[01:11:04] Speaker B: Yeah, but Urban Meyer at least could beat Michigan.
[01:11:06] Speaker A: That's true. I mean, I feel bad that we haven't beat Michigan in three years.
[01:11:10] Speaker B: I mean, I would take Urban Meyer back, right?
[01:11:14] Speaker A: I mean, I think Urban Meyer is a trash human being, but I don't.
[01:11:18] Speaker B: Care if he's getting lab dances and he's married.
[01:11:21] Speaker A: If you're winning national championships, all's forgiven.
It's not my marriage. I think you're wrong for doing it, but it's not my marriage.
[01:11:29] Speaker B: Hey, look, it's like you always say with kind of how coaches, right? Like, all marriages either end in divorce or death. So, yeah, it's one or the other.
[01:11:40] Speaker A: But anyways, one last note on the browns here. I just want to say again that the rumor mill continues to spin. We just mentioned a moment ago about Nick Chubb and the $12 million that they can save by cutting him you heard it here first two years ago.
[01:11:54] Speaker B: And I'll say it again, I don't want them to cut Nick Chubb. But I'll also say again, I don't see a scenario in which they don't. They've proven they can win games without a premier running back.
[01:12:04] Speaker A: The only way they will is if Nick Chubb takes less money. And all indications at this point are that Nick Chubb will not take less money.
[01:12:10] Speaker B: And he shouldn't take less money.
[01:12:11] Speaker A: No, he earned it.
He earned it more than Travis Benjamin ever earned.
[01:12:15] Speaker B: And even if he did take less money, I'm still not confident that they would care. Yeah, I mean, let's say he said, I'll take less, I'll take half. Still, $6 million, they can invest somewhere else in a league that doesn't.
[01:12:29] Speaker A: I feel like that actually would be probably what would do it is they would tell him, you have to take half. And I don't think he's willing to take half because he's going to get 12 million somewhere else.
[01:12:37] Speaker B: Sure. Well, the thing is for Nick Chubb, too, if you're looking at a prospectus for running backs, if I can make $12 million this year on my contract deal, that's probably the last time I'm making $12 million because none of these guys are getting deals like that anymore. It's just done. You're not. You're not getting paid that anywhere. So whether you get paid 12 million this year and you end up being the running back for the New Orleans Saints for half the season, but you get your 12 million, and then next year you sign a deal that's worth three or four. Okay, fine. But I got twelve this year.
Twelve has put you in, like, the generational wealth category, right? And I'm sure Nick Chubb's made $30 million already in his career. But there's a big difference between three, four and twelve.
When you have the chance to make it, you got to make it.
[01:13:25] Speaker A: I need at least three times this money.
[01:13:29] Speaker B: Right.
[01:13:30] Speaker A: Boney, you want to weigh in on Nick Chubb?
[01:13:33] Speaker C: If the Browns get rid of Nick Chubb, and I'm Nick Chubb, I'm signing with Cincinnati with Joe Burrow.
[01:13:39] Speaker A: Oh, man. Joe Mixon would be so pissed.
[01:13:41] Speaker C: Well, he's towards the end of his career. It's like you need to bring in somebody.
[01:13:46] Speaker A: Is he the same age as Nick Chubb?
[01:13:48] Speaker C: No, Mixon's been in.
[01:13:50] Speaker B: The. Mixon is older but for five years.
[01:13:52] Speaker C: Longer than Chubb.
[01:13:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:13:53] Speaker B: Mixon's approaching the wrong side of 30 here.
[01:13:58] Speaker A: Fair. But he also doesn't have two surgically repaired knees.
[01:14:02] Speaker B: No.
[01:14:03] Speaker A: Well, one surgically repaired knee. Twice.
[01:14:05] Speaker B: Even with fresh, healthy knees, he's not as good as Nick Chubb.
[01:14:08] Speaker A: That's fair.
[01:14:08] Speaker B: Nobody is.
[01:14:10] Speaker A: Nobody is.
Yeah. So just letting everybody know, though, that we reported it first.
[01:14:16] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a sad, sad state of affairs. But I just don't see how every.
[01:14:23] Speaker A: Day I dread that that's going to be the day I wake up and find out that Nick Chubb was cut.
[01:14:29] Speaker B: How that happens. Actually, I'm surprised here.
Nick Chubb is older than Joe Mixon.
[01:14:36] Speaker A: Seriously, I tried to tell you guys.
[01:14:37] Speaker B: What the heck?
[01:14:38] Speaker A: I tried to tell you guys.
[01:14:39] Speaker B: Chubb is currently 28. Joe Mixon is 27.
[01:14:42] Speaker C: I thought Joe Mixon has been the league for like ten years.
[01:14:45] Speaker B: Feels like it.
[01:14:46] Speaker A: I tried to tell you guys. Nobody listens to me. But that'll take us to the Super bowl. Recap the Chiefs defeat the 49 ers in Super bowl. What is this? What are we up to? Like 58 58? The Chiefs defeat the 49 ers in Super Bowl 58 25 to 22. They have now won two in a row and all they talked about afterwards was how it's time to go for a three peat, which we'll talk more about that here in a little bit. But for now, let's just recap the game. We'll start with the losers, the 49 ers. On offense, Brock Purdy was 23 of 38 for 255 yards, one touchdown, no interceptions, three rushes for twelve yards. So he was Brock Purdy.
[01:15:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I think Brock Purdy's got a lot of flak for this game just because they lost. But look, I think that if you.
[01:15:50] Speaker A: Had that same stat line and they won, they'd be like, oh, Brock Purdy is so good.
[01:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I think he hit all the throws that were open for him to make. And look, I think overall he was their best player on offense.
I think he's in his second year. He went to the NFC championship game in year one and the Super bowl in year two. His future is bright. I don't buy the game manager bullshit or any of that.
[01:16:11] Speaker A: I just think, well, I don't even think there's anything wrong with winning is winning.
Even if you want to call him a game manager, if you're a game manager at that high of a level to where you literally don't turn a ball over or put your team in a position to continually lose games, then who cares?
[01:16:26] Speaker B: I mean, here's my other thing. Like Brock Purdy was a part of the MVP conversation for most of the.
[01:16:30] Speaker A: Year, right up until the very end.
[01:16:31] Speaker B: He threw 31 touchdowns this year.
[01:16:33] Speaker A: Up until people realized that Christian McCaffrey had better stats. But that's besides the point.
[01:16:38] Speaker B: He was like third in the NFL in touchdowns.
[01:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:16:40] Speaker B: So you can't call it a game manager.
[01:16:42] Speaker A: Right. That's fair. No, I think he played pretty well most of the game. I think there was a couple of missed throws, but overall, I mean, he just took what the defense gave him, and both defenses, when it came down to it, were pretty darn good in this game. So it is what it is. Christian McCaffrey, he had a pretty big game besides the fumble that he lost. 22 rushes for 80 yards, eight receptions for 80 yards and one touchdown.
So, like I said, pretty big game for Christian McCaffrey.
Every time I watch him, he is explosive.
[01:17:17] Speaker B: He's amazing. It's the reason he won off as a player of the year. He's really good.
[01:17:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just like when you watch him, I'm just amazed. I'm like, that's a really good running back. Besides Nick Chubb, I'm like, that guy's really good and they're completely different.
[01:17:32] Speaker B: Well, yeah, that's the thing. That's amazing is like, you think about him versus other traditional running backs. He's just so different.
He can do everything.
[01:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he's the true. If you want to talk about a running back getting paid, it should be honestly, Nick Chubb's the best running back in the game. But, like, Christian McCaffrey's an all around. Like, he does everything. Literally.
[01:17:52] Speaker B: He gets hurt all the time.
[01:17:54] Speaker A: He does get hurt all the time. So I guess there's that. But we're talking about him compared to Nick Chubb. And Nick Chubb's knee is effed up.
[01:17:59] Speaker B: Right now because he does everything.
[01:18:02] Speaker A: Yeah, true.
Next up here, though, Jawan Jennings or just Juan? Juan.
[01:18:08] Speaker B: Juan.
[01:18:09] Speaker A: Jawan Jennings. Four receptions for 42 yards and a touchdown, one for one passing for 21 yards and a touchdown stat line. Apparently he was the offensive mvp for them.
Two touchdowns accounted for and just who would have guessed that Juan Jennings was going to have a breakout game like this?
[01:18:27] Speaker B: It just felt like, I know none of these guys had huge games receiving. I guess McCaffrey had a pretty decent set, but it just felt like every one of these passes that these guys caught, whether it was Ayuk or Jennings, they just felt like they were huge moments in the game because the defenses were playing so tough that it was a struggle for both teams to move the ball. They really was when one of these guys broke open and caught a 15 yard crosser. It was like, oh, wow, something's about to happen.
[01:18:52] Speaker A: And then it didn't.
Brandon Ayuk, three receptions for 49 yards. George Kittle, two receptions for four yards.
[01:19:00] Speaker B: But he, I think he's a free agent.
[01:19:03] Speaker A: Oh, nice.
[01:19:04] Speaker B: That's somebody go after that guy might be on the Browns radar that I was thinking about.
[01:19:08] Speaker A: I would enjoy that. That'd be a great pickup. George Kittle, two receptions, four yards. He got hurt.
[01:19:12] Speaker B: If we get Brandon Nyuk, I take back what I said about Andrew Barry.
[01:19:16] Speaker A: Debo Samuel, three receptions for 33 yards. He also got hurt and kind of struggled on and off with that hamstring the whole game. I know you said he was still pretty explosive afterwards on a few of the plays he was, but I think that the hamstring affected him and he wasn't quite the Debo Samuel that we have seen all season.
[01:19:34] Speaker B: The really interesting thing was just like George Kittle. I mean, that was huge that he wasn't able to be.
[01:19:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:19:42] Speaker B: Think about guys that are impact players in this mean, it was Kelsey and Kittle just got shut down and then got banged up.
[01:19:50] Speaker C: Kittle had that one, I think, a fourth down play where they threw out to him and he just got it over.
[01:19:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:19:55] Speaker C: I mean, that was like his biggest play of the game.
[01:19:57] Speaker A: He got hurt shortly after that, and then he didn't really see him rest of the game.
[01:20:02] Speaker B: Great body control, though, on sideline to get that.
[01:20:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that was impressive.
[01:20:05] Speaker B: That was a fourth down, wasn't it?
[01:20:07] Speaker A: I didn't even talk about him.
[01:20:08] Speaker C: Fourth and three.
[01:20:09] Speaker A: But the fullback for 49 ers had, that was one of the most ridiculous plays when he caught that and took the two steps and dove for the first down, then dropped the ball and then dropped the ball out of bounds, and they immediately said that was a catch because he made a football move.
[01:20:24] Speaker C: Sure, catch.
[01:20:25] Speaker A: But I was like, man, talk about body control. I was like, that was insane.
[01:20:28] Speaker C: He's a Ohio boy. He's from northeast Ohio.
[01:20:31] Speaker A: Of course he is. He's a fullback.
[01:20:33] Speaker B: His wife's the one that made all the Chiefs gear and stuff for, like, Taylor Swift and that. Okay.
[01:20:40] Speaker A: He's like one of the few fullbacks.
[01:20:42] Speaker B: She just got a license from the NFL to be able to make, like, licensed gear now, too. Wow.
[01:20:46] Speaker A: It's nice to have connections, but he's one of the few true fullbacks left in the NFL. Of course, he's from northeast Ohio.
[01:20:55] Speaker B: No fullbacks left in the NFL.
[01:20:57] Speaker A: He's, it and then on defense for the 49 ers, Fred Warner had 13 tackles.
[01:21:02] Speaker B: Is it giaver monster?
[01:21:05] Speaker A: Javier Brown?
[01:21:07] Speaker B: Jair.
[01:21:08] Speaker A: Jair Brown. Eleven tackles.
And then they also. I didn't put him on here. What's his name got hurt. Ruptured his achilles on the sideline.
[01:21:17] Speaker B: Green law.
[01:21:17] Speaker A: Green law got hurt. And I think that changed the game in the second half.
[01:21:21] Speaker B: Huge game. The guy that came in from his burks, I think, and he's fine, but he's not green.
[01:21:28] Speaker A: Time and time again, especially they were attacking him with Travis Kelsey, the linebacker with Travis Kelsey, because Kelsey, just, just the simple fact that, not that you're going to cover him the whole game, but at least it was a better matchup before that point.
[01:21:45] Speaker B: And what you noticed was in the first half, Travis Kelsey didn't do anything. In the second half, what they started doing with Travis was moving him around in motions and, like, short motions. And so that was screwing up who was supposed to be covering him, and that was allowing him to get open.
[01:22:00] Speaker A: Right. And as far as the replacement goes, that was covering him for a lot of those plays. I think Travis Kelsey is the best tight end that's ever played. So he knew, he's like, I got a guy that he's not going to be able to stick with my routes. And he was given all kinds of extra moves on the inside or the know one way or the other to get him off balance so that he could take advantage of the leverage and get where he needed to be. Right. And I think that was huge. I think that might have been the difference in the entire game was green law going down. But defensive totals, three sacks for the 49 ers, two turnovers, force one fumble recovery, one interception. And then finally, special teams Jake Moody. Three of three field goals, including a Super bowl record 55 yarder, which stood for not very long, which we'll talk about again here soon. And he was one for two extra points.
[01:22:49] Speaker B: I think it's important just to keep in perspective that Jake Moody is a rookie. Big moment. Obviously, the extra point. I'm sure that's probably going to stick in his crawl forever to kind of.
[01:23:00] Speaker A: Hit that, especially you hit that, you.
[01:23:01] Speaker B: Win the game, kind of hit that fat, but you have to make that kick. But this dude's a rookie. And on his first kick, he makes a Super bowl record 55 yard field goal.
[01:23:11] Speaker C: Bam. He missed the game winner against the Browns.
[01:23:14] Speaker B: He is the one that missed the game winner against the Browns. That's true, but he's a rookie.
[01:23:18] Speaker A: And then just to close things out, for the 49 ers, I did put coaching in here. And Kyle Shanahan, I just wanted to talk about this for a second. The fact that afterwards he was like, I didn't know the overtime rules.
[01:23:31] Speaker B: Yeah. This was the biggest blunder of the game. Especially when after the game, when they were talking to, like, Pat Mahomes, they said literally all throughout the playoffs, we had an NFL rules guy come into every meeting and talk to us about the overtime rules because they're different. He's like, first off, they changed the rule because of me, and so maybe they'll change it again. I don't like. He's kind of being a dick about it, but he was like, we had an NFL rules guy in every meeting that went over this with us. So when we got into the moment, we were prepared and the juice check, I don't know if it was Debo, she and, like, they all were like, can you imagine if they just scored a touchdown, that drive and just. The whole team probably just would have rushed the field. They thought they're like, idiots.
They didn't understand. How do you not know that this is a Super bowl in the NFL? This is the biggest game on the biggest stage. How are you not prepared for every single circumstance that could happen?
[01:24:27] Speaker A: The only thing that I could say here is this is the difference between a dynasty and a team that's pretty good right now.
[01:24:32] Speaker B: And Kyle Shanahan, who's owing three in.
[01:24:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
Because if you were three and o in Super Bowls, it's probably because you know the rules.
[01:24:40] Speaker B: Knowing the rules helps.
[01:24:42] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And so on the chief side of things, we'll start with the offense patch.
[01:24:47] Speaker B: I will admit, as the Chiefs were coming down to the end of the drive before they scored, with the quarter ticking down, quarter ticking down, I was kind of like, what is going to happen? Because I didn't really put it together. It's almost strange that the quarter is even timed when you think about it.
[01:25:06] Speaker A: Or even just make like a half hour quarter or something. Like some crazy amount of time.
[01:25:09] Speaker B: Yeah. To where they're like, we're just going to break for 15 minutes. But the only explanation that I could kind of think would make sense is like, I guess if you're playing Outside after 15 minutes, you would switch positions for the wind, but it just seems like this should be untimed because you're just playing until fair sudden death happens.
[01:25:27] Speaker A: I think that it's a strange thing to watch as a fan just untimed football. So that's probably part of why they put it in there too, just for continuity of the game and probably from.
[01:25:38] Speaker B: A timing standpoint for the officials to keep running the play clock and it.
[01:25:43] Speaker A: Goes four quarters, then they start another overtime.
[01:25:48] Speaker B: But I will admit when hit like 10 seconds and I'm like, what's going to happen when the quarter runs?
[01:25:54] Speaker A: That's the game I want to see. I want to see two teams in the Super bowl just go at it and we get to like the end of the first overtime. We got to do another one, another four quarters.
[01:26:07] Speaker B: We just have the first game is going, it's like four in the morning.
[01:26:09] Speaker A: We have the first twelve quarter game in NFL history.
Neither team can move the ball between the 40s. I'm all for it, but it is pretty wild that they didn't know the rules. And I will say 100%, coach, I like the fact that I'm pretty sure, I don't know what you guys thought, but to me it looks like the 49 ers defense did not expect them to snap the ball before time ran out. Probably once they realized that the rules were what they were and I think they thought that they were going to let the time, time run out and they snapped it with like 3 seconds left. We're like, nope, we're going to score. You guys lose.
[01:26:43] Speaker B: I was surprised that they had snapped it. It was kind of like a quick.
[01:26:46] Speaker C: Look, like the defense was standing still.
[01:26:48] Speaker A: Honestly.
[01:26:48] Speaker C: It was a quick hitter and done.
[01:26:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So just big blunders all around.
[01:26:53] Speaker B: Although Patrick Mahomes did say Mikhail Harbin, when he caught that ball, he didn't know that they had won.
[01:26:57] Speaker A: Yeah, you could tell. Did you watch the replay? He was like getting ready to run back. So they go for like two or the extra point or whatever they were going to do. He's like, yeah, okay.
Afterwards he was like, I blacked out. I have no idea what was happening.
But yeah. So the Chiefs on offense, Patrick Mahomes, 34 or 46, 333 yards, two touchdowns, one interception, his first interception in like 13 postseason games or something like some stupid nine rushes, 66 yards, two fumbles, one lost. They had six fumbles in this, in case anyone was wondering, and they recovered five of them.
[01:27:33] Speaker B: And just the fact that those 66 rush yards, the biggest moments, biggest difference in the game.
[01:27:42] Speaker A: What about the fourth and one?
The Chiefs are the only team that I know that go, they say fourth and one. We're going to go empty backfield. Well, not empty backfield. They had one running back back there, but, and we're just going to go empty boot and we're going to boot it to the right.
I was like, how do you not just lock on to Patrick Mahomes and just be like, I'm following this guy because that's where it's going.
[01:28:07] Speaker B: I thought for sure Travis Kelsey kind of ran like a sugar motion. He kind of did the half motion in. I thought he was going to get into the center and just take it.
[01:28:15] Speaker A: No, just boot with your quarterback for like 24 yards. Yeah, it is insane. Isaiah Pacheco, 18 rushes for 59 yards, six receptions for 33 yards, and a fumble lost of his own.
[01:28:28] Speaker B: Those aren't like huge stats, but this dude runs hard, man.
[01:28:32] Speaker C: He does.
[01:28:32] Speaker B: For a smaller guy, too. This dude is just an absolute monster.
[01:28:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he really is. And that fumble lost was unfortunate because they were really driving right there. I mean, it was weird. This whole game in the first half was just weird. There was just turnovers left and right.
Yeah, I don't even know. I'm sorry I messed up the fumble numbers. I said they had six fumbles and recovered five. They actually had five fumbles and recovered six.
However that works out and they lost one. I don't know.
I don't know how this all works out. There was just a lot of fumbles. Let's just go with that.
I'm just trying to look at the box score right now and say all this at the same time. But anyways, yeah, Isaiah Pacheco played well overall. That fumble lost was unfortunate, but it was sloppy in the first half for both teams.
[01:29:20] Speaker B: Very sloppy. I was surprised how sloppy. I get that there's nerves and stuff at the Super bowl and you start to realize like, oh shit, we're in it. But it was very sloppy to start.
[01:29:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And next up, Travis Kelsey, nine receptions, 93 yards. Just continuing to do Travis Kelsey things.
[01:29:37] Speaker B: After a first half when he had one reception for 1. So he had nine receptions, 93, 92.
[01:29:42] Speaker A: Eight receptions for 92 yards.
[01:29:44] Speaker B: Second half, yeah, it's pretty impressive that the second to last play or the third to last play, he caught that.
[01:29:50] Speaker A: When he caught it and just started like running people over down the middle.
[01:29:52] Speaker B: And he made all the way down to three. I thought, oh, God, this is out. Like Kelsey. Of course Travis Kelsey is going to score the game.
[01:29:59] Speaker A: He needed one more guy to give him the brotherly shove he did.
But yeah, huge game for Travis Kelsey. But of course he came on afterwards on stage and was reciting song lyrics and telling everybody they got to fight for their right to party.
[01:30:11] Speaker B: And Megan Al Taylor Swift.
[01:30:12] Speaker A: Megan Al Taylor Swift. I was surprised he didn't propose. But not everything's a storybook ending. Maybe next year.
[01:30:20] Speaker B: Maybe next year. When they three peat, he wasn't ready to retire yet.
[01:30:24] Speaker A: He's like, that's it. I three peated. I'm going to marry Taylor Swift. See ya.
[01:30:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
I mean, look. And he has the whole offseason now to get healthy and do this all.
[01:30:33] Speaker A: Again and keep making out with Taylor Swift.
[01:30:35] Speaker B: Keep making out with Taylor Swift. Can you imagine what this guy's summer is going to look like with Taylor Swift?
[01:30:38] Speaker A: Oh, it's going to be wild.
[01:30:39] Speaker B: Just absolute.
[01:30:40] Speaker A: Which is weird, because have you ever noticed with Travis Kelsey, like, he comes into camp and he's in such good shape and he's, like, really fit and ready to go, and then by the end of the year, he's kind of doughy.
[01:30:50] Speaker B: We talked about that last week.
[01:30:53] Speaker A: Is he going to be able to get into that kind of shape?
[01:30:55] Speaker B: He doesn't look like himself right now, but obviously he still plays like himself.
[01:30:59] Speaker A: Is he going to be able to get in that kind of shape coming into this year after a whole Summer with Taylor Swift?
[01:31:03] Speaker B: We'll see.
[01:31:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't mean I can tell you this.
[01:31:07] Speaker B: Andy Reid will be on his ass if he isn't.
[01:31:10] Speaker A: Andy Reid will eat his food for him.
But then next up, McColl Hardman. Three receptions for 57 yards and the game winning touchdown. And how about McColl? Hardman is just kind of out there, and they were like, you want to be on our team again?
And he ends up having the game winning touchdown in the Super bowl. Like, what a story is that?
[01:31:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Lucky guy.
[01:31:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Why doesn't anybody call me when I'm sitting on my couch?
[01:31:36] Speaker B: Joe Flacco got called.
[01:31:38] Speaker A: Feels bad defense. Nick Bolton had 13 tackles for the Chiefs. Justin Reid had nine. Justin Reed was everywhere in this game. He had nine tackles as a team. They had one sack, two turnovers, forced both fumbles.
[01:31:52] Speaker B: And then their secondary is just phenomenal, stifling McDuffie and has got, like, that.
[01:32:00] Speaker C: Dude'S all for everyone.
[01:32:01] Speaker A: Their secondary play like the Browns secondary was supposed to play in the playoff game.
[01:32:04] Speaker B: Yes.
When they were manned up. I mean, you weren't throwing a ball to those guys. No, you couldn't, couldn't, couldn't.
[01:32:11] Speaker A: And then special teams. Harrison Bucker. Four for four field goals, including a new Super bowl record. Again, 57 yards and one for one on extra points. So he was perfect on the day.
[01:32:21] Speaker B: And they did say that Bucker was kicking from 70 in warm up warm.
[01:32:27] Speaker A: Ups, which is like, well, in the 57 yarder, wasn't he the one that made like the line drive?
[01:32:32] Speaker B: It was the line drive.
[01:32:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just like straight. I'm like, dude, if you put some air under that, you were good.
[01:32:36] Speaker B: From 70, he hit his thin and moody, hit his fast.
[01:32:40] Speaker A: Yeah, but, yeah. So great day for Harrison Bucker and then Andy Reed. As far as coaching notes, all I got is Andy Reid is his dog.
[01:32:49] Speaker B: I mean, when you think about his coaching career, all the success that he had in Philadelphia and never won a Super bowl, it's almost criminal that they weren't able to win one when he was there with Donovan McNabb. But they were in the NFC championship game like four years in a row.
[01:33:04] Speaker A: Some of those games were the most exciting games I've ever watched in my life. I remember the one where Donovan McNabb, they were down and it was fourth and like 27, and he got hit like six times in the backfield and somehow released the ball as he was getting tackled. And they completed a 30 yard pass and they kept going. They ended up tying that game and I think they lost in overtime. But I was just like, what is happening right now?
[01:33:26] Speaker B: I mean, just some amazing teams they had there. You think about the guys like Brian Dawkins and some of the guys, for sure, hall of famers that were on those teams. But to see everything kind of come to fruition under Andy Reid with these Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, a huge part of that, guys like Travis Kelsey, their front office is done.
[01:33:45] Speaker A: Are we eventually going to have the same argument that they had in New England? Is it Andy Reid or is it Patrick Mahomes?
[01:33:53] Speaker B: I don't think so because I think Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are always going to get along fair. I think Andy Reid, it is weird.
[01:33:58] Speaker A: How they kind of mirror each other, though. Like with it was Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. They had a dominant tight end in Gronk. They have a dominant tight end in Travis Kelsey. Before Travis Kelsey, Gronk was the greatest of all time at tight.
[01:34:14] Speaker B: It's just I don't like when you think about Tom Brady and the Patriots early on, like the first part of his career, the part of his career that Patrick Mahomes is playing now.
Who was catching the ball for Tom Brady?
[01:34:28] Speaker A: Nobody.
[01:34:29] Speaker B: I mean, Gronk wasn't there, right? Those guys weren't there.
[01:34:32] Speaker A: Nobody.
[01:34:34] Speaker B: What was the guy's name that was the mvp of the Super bowl, to be fair.
Shoot.
Wide receiver, one MVP of Super bowl, the one year with Tom Brady. Dion Branch.
[01:34:45] Speaker A: Branch.
[01:34:46] Speaker B: Yeah. He was probably, like, the best until they got crazy and started spending money in free agency and brought guys like Randy Moss in and Hernandez and Gronk at the same time.
The first seven years of Tom Brady, like, he didn't have the talent that Patrick Mahomes has. Even close to it.
Okay, running backs, I guess.
[01:35:08] Speaker A: I'll be honest, though, to be fair. Well, I guess he did have Tyreek Hill, so. Never mind. I was going to say Patrick Mahomes hasn't had any real big name wide receiver, but Tyreek Hill is.
Tyreek Hill.
[01:35:19] Speaker B: Travis Kelton?
[01:35:20] Speaker A: Well, I'm not counting tight ends, I'm just saying, like, actual receivers. But I mean, Travis Kelsey, for all intents and purposes, is a receiver. So I guess you're right.
[01:35:29] Speaker B: And they've had decent up until, like this year. They've had pretty big name backs in that backfield, too. You can't go from Jamal Charles to cream Hunt.
[01:35:40] Speaker A: Cream hunt was the last one, though. There's a stretch here now that they've been on for the last few years that they signed either a rookie or like a no name running back in free agency.
[01:35:50] Speaker B: I can't remember the names of the guys that were there, but there was a couple that were between there that were pretty good running backs. But anyway, I just think the talent differential for Patrick Mahomes is solidly in his favor. Not to say that he hasn't deserved to be where he's at. He's a tremendous player. Obviously, he's the best at his position in the game, right?
Mean, this has become like a buzzword, I guess, this year. Like the processor of information. Like, he processes defenses so quickly.
[01:36:18] Speaker A: We don't talk about advanced analytics, but Kenny knows that they're advanced processors. Of.
[01:36:25] Speaker B: Mean, several of these plays coming down the stretch were checks that he made at line of scrimmage. And the way that he and Travis Kelsey throw the ball, it defies any sort of plan.
I remember just watching in the pregame, there was like, Travis Kelsey was supposed to run a flag in the end zone and kind of ran a seam. He's just like, after the play, they're like, yeah, Travis does what he wants. He finds the open space and I throw it to him.
How do you even coach that if you're Andy Reid? Like, how do you coach that?
[01:36:54] Speaker A: But you can't play, spend lots and lots of hours practicing.
[01:36:58] Speaker B: You can't stop it because it's effective. They're just going to do what they.
[01:37:01] Speaker A: So, yeah, I agree. My favorite player of the whole Super Bowl Patrick Mahomes hopping up in the air and just getting just power bombed.
[01:37:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll say. I didn't really have a dog in this fight. I could care less who kind of won. I did enjoy watching Patrick Mahomes be stifled for three quarters and was really beat up pretty good. It seemed like every time that he would have normally kind of spun out of the pocket or escaped, that 49 ers defensive front was all over him, just pancake in his ass. And it was fun to watch because you don't see it very often. I mean, he always gets away.
[01:37:40] Speaker A: Always.
[01:37:40] Speaker B: And then he finds his man. And for much of that game, up until about three minutes in that third, were really up until the muffed punt, they were hand him his lunch every time.
[01:37:55] Speaker A: Him getting away all the time is all the more impressive now that we know he has his dad bod.
[01:37:59] Speaker B: Can't explain that one either.
[01:38:01] Speaker A: Nope.
[01:38:01] Speaker B: Nope.
[01:38:02] Speaker A: But with that, let's go ahead and take a quick trip around the NFL.
It. Okay, so you didn't think we could talk about the Super bowl without talking about the Super bowl halftime show. Right. So it was usher, obviously, right. We had an over under for how long before he loses his shirt? And all I'll say is I think it took far, far too long. Far too long for him to lose.
[01:38:38] Speaker B: And he was shirtless. Far too short.
[01:38:40] Speaker A: Yeah, he was only shirtless for what, like 30 seconds.
[01:38:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I was very.
[01:38:43] Speaker A: The only reason he got shirtless is because he had to make a wardrobe change into the skates.
[01:38:47] Speaker B: I think he had like three or four wardrobe changes.
[01:38:49] Speaker C: Second wardrobe was.
[01:38:50] Speaker A: Yeah. But I mean, so he started with all his white, his white garb that came out, and then he kind of dropped. He just kept dropping layers. And then he got down to.
[01:39:02] Speaker D: What.
[01:39:03] Speaker A: Do you want to call just his white shirt or whatever and his naked body. Yeah. And then he took that off shirtless for like 30 seconds, then ran back and changed again into his blue abs and skates.
[01:39:16] Speaker B: His Tron.
[01:39:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like Tron.
[01:39:19] Speaker B: Tron suit.
[01:39:21] Speaker A: What do you guys think overall? So before we get into any of the special guests and everything, what did you think of the performance over, or should we do special guests first and then ask you what you thought?
[01:39:29] Speaker B: Let's just do the whole thing and we just have a discussion about it.
Look, I love usher. It brought me back to being in middle school, high school, just like the songs, it was tremendous. I was confused, I'll admit, at first, because it seemed like I was like, there's no stage. He was kind of, like, moonwalking on the field.
[01:39:50] Speaker C: The sound quality was terrible.
[01:39:51] Speaker B: Sound quality was bad.
[01:39:52] Speaker A: It was not great for the Super Bowl.
[01:39:53] Speaker B: I was like, this is a huge.
But it got better with Alicia keys.
[01:39:59] Speaker C: And on, like, a standard mic. It got way better. When she started saying, yeah, I don't.
[01:40:03] Speaker B: Know what was going on during the first. It was like Cirque dais Soleil. They were just, like, launching people through the air. I think the one guy is still in the air.
It was just, like, absolute madness. And then cut him out and just.
[01:40:16] Speaker A: Like, put him floating across our screen.
[01:40:17] Speaker B: And then it finally hit the stage, and I was, okay, now this feels like a halftime show. And then the guests started showing up, and you were like, oh, yeah, I'll name some.
[01:40:25] Speaker A: So Jermaine Dupree came out looking like Ceelo Green, dude.
[01:40:30] Speaker B: It's funny that you wrote that because I didn't know who it was. And I was like, is that Ceelo green, dude?
[01:40:37] Speaker C: Same everybody at my parents.
[01:40:39] Speaker A: It wasn't Ceelo. It was Jermaine Dupree, in case anyone was wondering.
[01:40:42] Speaker B: I was so confused. I was like, why is Ceelo here?
[01:40:45] Speaker A: Then we had Alicia keys.
[01:40:46] Speaker B: Like, you mentioned, bone looking phenomenal, by the way.
[01:40:49] Speaker A: She just had a baby, too. Didn't she just have a baby, like, a few months ago?
[01:40:53] Speaker B: I have no idea, but she looked great.
[01:40:54] Speaker A: I'll be honest. My wife told me that. I don't know these things, but I'm pretty sure she just had a baby recently.
[01:40:58] Speaker B: She looked phenomenal.
[01:41:01] Speaker A: Then Lil John came out, saved the day. So you sounds like you didn't like the halftime show. We'll get back to that. Ludicrous came out after that. And I think that was the moment that all of us millennials were like, hell, yeah. It's exactly what happened by that time.
Now it's a party because I didn't.
[01:41:21] Speaker B: Recognize the silo green guy, but I was like, you always know ludicrous.
[01:41:26] Speaker A: What millennial doesn't know the rap from. Yeah, with ludicrous. That's what he came out. He say, you're like, I'll pick you lagging over 300,000.
[01:41:36] Speaker C: I was a little disappointed they didn't take that. Rewind it back.
[01:41:40] Speaker A: Lil John.
[01:41:40] Speaker C: They didn't do that part.
[01:41:41] Speaker B: Miss that whole part.
[01:41:43] Speaker A: We had to keep it pg. We've been in trouble a lot at the Super Bowl.
[01:41:47] Speaker B: I will say this. I thought into that point that the NFL has to be ecstatic about this halftime show because it was fun. It was usher, family friendly. I mean, Usher does some gyrating, but it wasn't overtly.
[01:42:01] Speaker A: The only overtly sexual line was when ludacris said something about milking the cow.
[01:42:08] Speaker B: But it's like, ludicrous, right? You can't even be mad at ludicrous. But it's like, I think as far as family friendly entertainment, nothing weird was this had to be one of the NFL's most prized halftime shows because it was just good entertainment, mostly wholesome, a little bit unaligned with usher dancing and stuff. Shirtless. Just enough sensuality to appease the adults, but not enough for people that are going to be talking about it, like, oh, that was disgusting.
[01:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd agree with that. Yeah. No, I think overall it is a good halftime show.
And how about luda coming out with a full fro?
We all know and love luda. Yeah, it was pretty wild, man. But no, I enjoyed this one. Like I said, usher was on skates. That was wild.
[01:42:57] Speaker B: I mean, think about when's the last time you run actual roller skates?
[01:43:04] Speaker A: I don't know.
1995?
[01:43:07] Speaker B: It's like a lost art.
[01:43:10] Speaker A: When he came out, I was like, this takes me back to late 90s, early 2000s, like bow wow and roll bounce. That's what it felt like.
[01:43:17] Speaker B: It's one of those skills, like, if you have it, you have to show it off at some point. What better stage than the Super bowl.
[01:43:23] Speaker A: By the way, guys, I could skate like this.
[01:43:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Losing control.
[01:43:28] Speaker A: I think we're all in agreements, though, besides bone, it sounded like he's a little disappointed because he said that.
[01:43:34] Speaker C: No, what he did was incredible. The singing, the dancing, the skating, all the choreography. And he did it for like ten minutes straight. Everybody else was kind of jumping in different parts, but he was there the whole time. I'm biased because I despise r b music. It's my least favorite genre. So that's all I did for the first. My wife loved the most people at my parents'house, where we watched it, enjoyed it. And if you liked r b music, then you probably liked the beginning. But then when little John came.
[01:44:08] Speaker A: So.
[01:44:09] Speaker C: I enjoyed Alicia Keys. I thought her performance was really good. And then, yeah, with the skates and then Lil John and Luda coming out was. I love that.
[01:44:16] Speaker A: Yeah, loved it. And to your point, Alicia Keys is a beautiful.
[01:44:20] Speaker B: She's like, she doesn't wear, like, heavy makeup or like, she's just very natural and pretty looking.
[01:44:25] Speaker A: She's very pretty.
[01:44:26] Speaker B: And she can play the shit out of that piano, man. Oh, yeah.
[01:44:29] Speaker A: Every time she plays a piano, I'm like, yes.
I'm not a person that gets super. Like, I feel the music, but when she plays piano, I'm like, oh, yeah.
[01:44:38] Speaker B: She turns it on.
[01:44:39] Speaker A: Yeah. No. So overall, I thought it was great halftime show. I wish they would have more halftime shows like that.
[01:44:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it was good. It was good. The halftime shows, it feels like in the last couple of years have been better. All pretty good. Better outside of last year's, which was straight. I mean, Rihanna was like a little.
[01:44:55] Speaker A: Bit the halftime stank show.
[01:44:57] Speaker B: Halftime stank show. She was rubbing herself and that was a little bit much.
[01:45:01] Speaker A: I think she was pushing the envelope and just trying to, she's just trying.
[01:45:04] Speaker B: To be controversial for controversy's sake a little bit.
[01:45:08] Speaker A: And she had her whole, like, this is my pregnancy reveal and everything else. And it was kind of like, she was like, how far can I push this?
[01:45:15] Speaker B: But even going back to when they had, eminem was there and like, two years ago.
[01:45:21] Speaker C: Yeah, Dr. Dre, even, that was a.
[01:45:24] Speaker B: Pretty clean 50 cent.
[01:45:26] Speaker C: That show is sweet.
[01:45:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
It feels like Curtis Jackson feels like they've done a pretty good job. And I think was this year the first year that Apple sponsored it and put together the hashtag, I think Apple.
[01:45:36] Speaker A: Did it last year, or did they.
[01:45:37] Speaker B: Do it last year?
[01:45:38] Speaker A: I think they did it last year, too.
[01:45:39] Speaker B: I can't remember when Pepsi got out of it. But anyway, I just think for this year, well done. I think the NFL has to be ecstatic with it. I enjoyed it. Certainly all the old school usher stuff just brought me back. Like I said, just like you're sitting in your bedroom in middle school and you got the CD player busting out.
[01:45:56] Speaker A: I'll tell you, my wife and I were all of the memes leading up to this that were like millennials. When usher plays the halftime show, it was like them just like, just like people up. That was us. We were like, oh, hell, yes. And singing every song. And it was good.
[01:46:11] Speaker B: It was great. I have a real quick discussion topic. I know we're trying to wrap things up a little bit here, but Super bowl parties, I'm kind of done with those.
[01:46:24] Speaker A: We're middle aged.
[01:46:28] Speaker B: I don't know how everybody else feels, but the days of me wanting to get together and go to somebody's house where there's like 30 people and watch ahead.
[01:46:36] Speaker A: I like legacy Super bowl parties.
[01:46:37] Speaker B: I like most of my life, four.
[01:46:38] Speaker A: Or five people is like, spent most.
[01:46:40] Speaker B: Of my life going to Super bowl parties because it's the Super bowl, right? Everybody has.
[01:46:43] Speaker A: We used to go to your house all the time. Yeah.
[01:46:44] Speaker B: We used to go to my house and there was always, like, twelve or 15 people and you make snacks on us. But I'm at a point now where, a, I don't have time to be explaining the game to anybody.
I barely have time to explain it to my wife if she has questions.
I don't have time for that. Come back in August when the season starts so we can do that.
And b, you miss the commercials if there's people there, because everybody's just, like, talking. I like to be able to hear the commentary of the game and I like to be able to hear the commercials. And when there's anybody else besides me in the room, I just can't concentrate. So I'm just over Super bowl parties in general.
[01:47:23] Speaker A: I mean, that's fair. Like I said, we're getting older. We don't like all the hoopla anymore.
[01:47:28] Speaker B: We're middle aged.
[01:47:29] Speaker A: Yeah, we're middle aged. Actually, I looked this up because I was like, man, was I way in the wrong when I said we're middle aged and we are technically early middle aged, but we are middle aged.
[01:47:40] Speaker B: Fair. Am I get off my lawn guy? Because I'm like, I'm.
[01:47:43] Speaker A: Oh, I'm absolutely. Get off my lawn guy.
Before we moved just recently, we were at our old house and we were on a fairly busy street. And I would get so pissed when there was loud noises outside. I'd be like, are you kidding me? Are you serious right now?
[01:47:56] Speaker B: But, like, Super bowl parties, like most people enjoy.
[01:47:59] Speaker A: More colorful than that, as you can imagine. But, yeah, Super bowl party. I don't know. Like I said, I like low key Super bowl parties. Like four or five people, max. That's where I'm at.
[01:48:10] Speaker C: I'm with you. We left after halftime, so I missed a little football on the way home, which is like a three or four minute drive. And then when I laid in my bed and watched the rest of the game, it was fantastic.
[01:48:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Where I'm at. As soon as it was done, I watched the trophy presentation. I went to bed, I was like, see you.
[01:48:26] Speaker B: So that brings me to my next point, the trophy presentation. Look, I had my own Super bowl party here yesterday. Just me, my wife, baby, baby. Watched, like, the first quarters.
[01:48:36] Speaker C: Nice.
[01:48:37] Speaker B: First Super bowl. Great. Put them to bed.
I made dips. I was just dip.
[01:48:43] Speaker A: I know you like dip on dip on dip.
[01:48:46] Speaker B: I made, like, a con queso dip with some beef in. It was real good. Made some buffalo chicken dip. And we kind of just ate that all day.
If you eat dip for like 12 hours straight.
[01:48:59] Speaker A: You're going to have a bad time.
[01:49:02] Speaker B: When the game went to overtime, I was like, I'm not going to make it.
[01:49:06] Speaker A: Thanks for telling all of our listeners.
[01:49:08] Speaker B: I was really getting sick.
I was praying that this game would be over, and it was a fun game to watch, but literally overtime went down. I'm going to miss it the last 3 seconds. And I was like, you bastards. And so, I hate to admit, but I missed the entire MVP presentation because I was just blowing the porcelain up.
As soon as McColl Harmon commented, that passed, I was like, I'm out of probably.
[01:49:39] Speaker A: You won't get through burning river sportscast without some bathroom humor.
[01:49:45] Speaker B: I swear. I probably passed gas for 22 seconds straight. It was just like, just everything let loose at once. But I almost didn't make it because you eat dip that much dip, it has to come out. And it was not good.
[01:50:03] Speaker A: This is what I deal with, you.
[01:50:05] Speaker C: Know, I'm someone who appreciates a good poop story, so thank you for sharing.
[01:50:09] Speaker A: Bone loves it. Made his whole night.
[01:50:13] Speaker B: It was like a 40 minutes or it was like, painful.
[01:50:16] Speaker A: All right, let's wrap this thing up.
Kenny, look, I'm not done.
[01:50:19] Speaker B: I'm almost done. My point is I missed all that. So I had to come in and then turn on ESPN to finish watching to see. To see what happened. Who won MVP.
[01:50:30] Speaker A: If Travis Kelsey proposed.
[01:50:31] Speaker B: See if Travis Kelsey? Yeah, like, I missed all the Taylor Swift kissing and stuff. Like, when it first happened, I missed that moment because I was just dipping on the toilet.
[01:50:40] Speaker A: There's a good segue. Speaking of Taylor Swift, tell us about the Taylor Swift conspiracy that's out there.
[01:50:44] Speaker B: Taylor Swift's conspiracy.
[01:50:46] Speaker A: Real quick.
[01:50:47] Speaker B: If you hadn't seen this, this was interesting. I don't know what it means, but look. Taylor Swift's favorite number is 13. The name of one of her most famous albums is 13. What Super bowl was it?
[01:50:58] Speaker A: 58?
[01:50:59] Speaker B: 58. Five plus eight is 13.
[01:51:00] Speaker A: No.
[01:51:01] Speaker B: What team did they play? The 49 ers. Four plus nine is 13.
[01:51:04] Speaker A: No.
[01:51:05] Speaker B: The Chiefs were the three seed and the same as 49 ers were the one seed. That's 13. The game was played. Eleven. That's 13.
Taylor's road had gone to twelve Chiefs games prior to the Super Bowl. Super bowl was number 13.
What does it all mean? I have no idea, but something happened here. Something weird happened.
[01:51:26] Speaker A: Yeah, we got to get to the bottom of that.
[01:51:27] Speaker B: Taylor Swift took a flight from Tokyo to the United States that was 13 hours long in order to get to the game.
That's a pretty weird number.
[01:51:37] Speaker A: Son of a bitch.
[01:51:38] Speaker B: You're right that all those things happen to come into fruition at once.
[01:51:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that is odd. Moving on from the Super bowl, though, we do have a couple other things around the NFL here real quick. The Steelers are expected to have a competition at quarterback this offseason. Some names that they're talking about bringing in, Russell Wilson, Ryan Tannehill, and then obviously they will compete with Kenny Pickett, which isn't a hard task for the starting quarterback position.
[01:52:02] Speaker B: Basically, I'll tell you right now, Kenny Pickett's gonna be the backup in Pittsburgh next year.
[01:52:05] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Which feels so good because everybody talked him up like he was the second.
[01:52:09] Speaker B: He may even get cut. Mason Rudolph, may I hope that, God.
[01:52:11] Speaker A: He gets cut because I can't stand all the. For two and a half years or two years now, that's all these Pittsburgh fans have talked about is how Kenny Pickett's the man and Tommy two gloves needs to take a seat.
[01:52:23] Speaker B: What I will say is this Steelers team without a quarterback was competitive this year. They made the playoffs.
[01:52:31] Speaker A: It's true. This year. I don't know how they did it, but going forward, I like our chances.
[01:52:35] Speaker B: Well, what I'm saying is, if they get a good quarterback on that team.
[01:52:38] Speaker A: Don'T just, again, the offseason just started.
[01:52:43] Speaker C: God, I hate, like, even with like, Ryan Tannehill, that is a huge upgrade.
[01:52:48] Speaker B: Over where they were.
[01:52:49] Speaker A: You're literally the worst friend to have as a Browns fan.
[01:52:51] Speaker B: I'm just saying, we all expected that by the time the Browns got good, the Steelers would be in this transitional hell. And they're not there, man.
[01:53:01] Speaker A: It's because they're a great organization. As much as I hate the Steelers and they're like, great. We know how to navigate this stuff. Just don't worry. Give us a year. We'll be back.
[01:53:07] Speaker B: They are good.
[01:53:08] Speaker A: Oh, and by the way, in our rebuild year, we're going to make playoffs.
[01:53:11] Speaker B: I mean, heaven forbid they make a move and get like a Drake may.
[01:53:16] Speaker A: Shut your mouth. I hope they get. Wait, kid from LSU or are you talking USC?
[01:53:22] Speaker B: I hope kid from LSU.
[01:53:23] Speaker A: Caleb Williams is going.
[01:53:25] Speaker B: Caleb Williams.
[01:53:26] Speaker A: They don't have a chance.
[01:53:27] Speaker B: I don't have any.
[01:53:28] Speaker A: I think he's going to be a bust. I already said that once.
[01:53:30] Speaker B: I don't have any faith in Caleb Williams at all.
[01:53:32] Speaker A: Speaking of which, who was it?
Meryl Hodges. Meryl Hodges came out, he was like, he's not special. Nothing special about, man. That was. I was like, thank you. I'm not the only one that thinks gonna be anyways. Finally and around the NFL, Mike Zimmer may not be the DC in Dallas after all. Can you give us a quick synopsis on what happened here?
[01:53:53] Speaker B: Mike Zimmer is reported to be the DC in Dallas. To fill that opening there, literally. All this then broke down on Sunday morning before the Super bowl on ESPN. Schefter was on again breaking the news that Mike Zimmer was going to be the DC in Dallas, but mentioned that Rex Ryan, who was a panel member on the morning show yesterday on Sunday and said was really surprising to me because what he heard from Jerry Jones and company was they were super impressed with like, apparently the words he used was like Jerry Jones was ready to run through a wall to get Rex Ryan, but apparently they were hiring Mike Zimmer and this was that. And Rex Ryan kind of made a comment like, I'm not sure that that's a done deal.
So apparently media fire story. Long story short, they had reached out to Rex Ryan, the Dallas Cowboys brain trust, literally like seconds before that segment shot or during the segment, like via text and kind of asked like, hey, is this still possible? We can get a deal done? So long story short, until Mike Zimmer puts pen to paper in Dallas, Rex Ryan maybe is still in play.
[01:55:02] Speaker A: Rex Ryan might be back.
[01:55:04] Speaker B: We don't know who the DC in Dallas is going to be.
[01:55:07] Speaker A: Nice. So that'll conclude our trip around the NFL. Let's go ahead and take a quick revenue break and get back here and talk to our special guest of the episode.
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All right, Kenny, I've got another brownsbackers guest whose chapter recently won a major. Okay, it's kind of a major award, but not really a major award.
They won a major competition which gave.
[01:57:08] Speaker B: Them a major award.
[01:57:09] Speaker A: Yeah. So you want to talk to them?
[01:57:11] Speaker B: Fragile.
[01:57:12] Speaker A: Yes. Something that we started doing this year is our Brownsbackers interview series. What we wanted to do is highlight brownsbackers from around the country. I want to do this for several reasons. Obviously, there's Browns fans everywhere. They root for the browns rain or shine, no matter what's going on, what's happening with the team, they show up and they support. But we also wanted to highlight what most people may not know about the brownsbackers, and that's the fact that they do a lot of good work around their respective communities through charity and community service. And so with that, let's go ahead and get into the next interview in our series.
[01:57:41] Speaker B: The last interview.
[01:57:42] Speaker A: The last interview series for season two.
All right, so this week for our Brownsbackers interview series, we get to talk with Kristen and Dave from the brownsbackers of Pinellas. Kristen and Dave, thanks for joining us. How are you today?
[01:58:30] Speaker E: Doing good. How are.
[01:58:32] Speaker A: Good, good. Thanks for taking some time to talk to us. I know everybody's got busy schedules, busy lives, so we really appreciate that.
And before we really get into everything here, I understand that your chapter won a major award this year, or, well, at least a major competition this year. Can you guys tell us a little bit about that?
[01:58:52] Speaker E: Yeah, we won the Browns fan cruise. We had four people, four groups sign up and kind of very excited to go hang out with some Mexico players and maybe some new with some ones now and have a good time and have some drinks and enjoy the Cleveland Browns.
[01:59:10] Speaker A: Absolutely. And I know there's going to be quite a few fans there, 16 alumni. It's going to be a really good time. And I know you guys got a lot of good perks that came along with winning that. So congratulations. That's awesome. And yours truly, we're going to be there for sure.
[01:59:26] Speaker B: That's the best part of the.
[01:59:27] Speaker A: I know that's why you guys bought tickets, was because you really wanted to see the.
You guys, real quick, can you guys tell us a little bit about your chapter?
[01:59:42] Speaker B: That's.
[01:59:42] Speaker D: You sure? Our chapter started here in Clearwater, Florida in 1993.
We've been through a lot of venue changes and locations, but currently we're located at Quaker Steak and Lube in Clearwater. We've been there for about 13 years now, and they've been a great host to us.
We have currently around 400 members that are signed up with us locally. I think a little less than that on the portal, though.
For the last game of the season, the playoff game, we were standing room only, extra seats in the lobby and out front, and we had over 500 people at that game to watch with us.
[02:00:26] Speaker A: Wow.
[02:00:28] Speaker E: Yeah, it was insane.
[02:00:29] Speaker D: Amazing.
[02:00:31] Speaker A: That's a major party. And so was it kind of like that? I mean, maybe not 500, but was it kind of like that all season long? Was turnout really good this year?
[02:00:39] Speaker D: Yeah, we had some great turnouts.
A little lull, probably middle of the season where we would drop down to about 200 a game, but most of the season we were around 300 every game.
[02:00:51] Speaker A: Wow, that's amazing. When you say you dropped down 200. I know that the brownsbackers are strong, but there's a lot of brownsbackers groups out there that are like, man, I wish we could see 200 members.
[02:01:00] Speaker B: Absolutely.
Do they put aside, do they have a banquet center they put you in or do you just kind of take over the whole bar there?
[02:01:09] Speaker D: So we have one dedicated room to us, and that one holds probably about 120 or so.
150 maybe, but they open up, we can have the entire place and a patio if we need it. So we usually move over to in a second room right across the hall from ours or across the lobby. It's pretty open concept.
If we were moving further into the playoffs, he was going to get tents for the parking lot and just totally open it up for us.
[02:01:42] Speaker A: Nice. I'm sure they're happy to do all that with 300 fans coming in, for sure.
[02:01:49] Speaker B: Partners.
[02:01:50] Speaker A: And so with 300 and some upper 300 members that you guys have, do you have like a board that handles a lot of this stuff? I know. Kristen, you're the president. Correct. So do you have a group of people that help you out?
[02:02:05] Speaker D: Yeah, we have. Dave is our vice president. Not this Dave, a different Dave.
[02:02:10] Speaker E: A Dave that will actually be on the cruise.
[02:02:12] Speaker D: Yeah, he'll be on the cruise.
[02:02:13] Speaker A: Nice. We got so many Dave's.
[02:02:16] Speaker D: Yeah, way too many days.
[02:02:17] Speaker B: Easy.
[02:02:19] Speaker D: Dave Ward. Is that Dave? He has been on the board and a member of the club since 1993. He'll be on the cruise with us as well.
We have Eddie, who serves kind of as a vice president, treasurer. I guess we all kind of blend together. We have Annette, our treasurer. We have.
Who am I missing? Oh, Larry. Larry is great. He's been a great new addition to our board. He helps out with everything up front. And then we have kind of some mainstays. We have our keeper of the pound and chief entertainment officer, Judy.
We have an Mc that does every game, John.
And we have Rick, our music guy, every game. And then we have Dave here helping.
[02:03:04] Speaker E: I do the manual labor.
[02:03:05] Speaker A: I get to carry everything.
[02:03:07] Speaker B: You have the best job.
[02:03:09] Speaker E: Then I get to hear all about it. Every time something goes wrong, I get to deal with.
[02:03:14] Speaker A: Nice, nice.
[02:03:15] Speaker B: Very nice. So Kristen and Dave, are either of you or both of you from the northeast Ohio area, or are you both lifelong Floridians?
[02:03:24] Speaker E: She's from Canton.
[02:03:25] Speaker D: Yeah, born and raised in Canton. Moved here after college.
[02:03:30] Speaker E: I'm born and raised St. Pete, Florida. Was actually a Bucks fan per, um, until I met her. And now I've become a Browns fan because I go to every single game, every single Sunday.
[02:03:42] Speaker A: We've converted you.
[02:03:43] Speaker B: So you're married in.
[02:03:44] Speaker E: Yeah, it's the best question every week is, oh, where are you from in Ohio? I said I'm from Florida.
President of the club. It's pretty simple.
[02:03:54] Speaker A: Listen, let's be honest, though. Watching the Browns is a lot more fun. Whether it's good or bad, it's a lot more fun than watching the Bucks.
[02:04:01] Speaker E: When we had Brady, it wasn't, but it is now.
[02:04:05] Speaker A: See, that's the one thing we got to get rid of here, is you're still saying we when you're talking about the Bucks. It's not a we. You're a Browns fan.
[02:04:12] Speaker B: You're a Browns fan now.
[02:04:14] Speaker E: When the Bucks had Brady, it was a little more fun to watch them.
[02:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:04:19] Speaker D: Go ahead. Loudest and most outspoken Browns games.
[02:04:23] Speaker E: It's true.
[02:04:24] Speaker B: I go all in.
[02:04:25] Speaker E: It's the true story. I've gotten into it. It's actually a lot of fun.
The heartache. I mean, we went through the 16 season. We went up to the game when we won the one game and the one in 16 season. So I've been through the, I guess, downground, but not for very long. So to me, it's just a lot of fun.
[02:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess get up to year like 1011, 1213, 14 plus.
It starts to wear on you a little bit. But you came in at a good time because, what, two in the last three years is it? Two in the last three? Two in the last four. And if you're saying about that time you're feeling pretty good. We make playoffs, like, what? I don't know, 30% of the time that you've been watching us, so that's pretty good.
[02:05:15] Speaker E: We've been married seven years, so Balan, all. I've been watching them, so first couple of years were terrible. Then it's kind of gotten a lot better. I think it's great.
[02:05:22] Speaker A: Nice.
[02:05:23] Speaker B: There you go.
[02:05:24] Speaker A: Nice. And so with your chapter down there in Florida, are you guys involved with any community service or charity work?
[02:05:32] Speaker E: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[02:05:33] Speaker D: That's the biggest part of our club. I like to think that's what I take near and dear to heart.
We work with a lot of charities. Our mainstay for the last few years has been special needs school here in Pinellas county called Nineha Harris.
We've provided them with a whole sensory room, sensory garden tablets for all the kids that can't communicate. We've done so much work with them. We also have done a lot of work with our local dog pound, with our dogs, helping dogs charity. We've done school supply drives just for our general public schools in the area. What else have we done? Oh, wildlife rescue and rehab. That's been our second biggest charity. It's a local wildlife rescue where he takes exotic animals in and rehabs them from people that have tried to keep them as pets, I guess. And he has a whole kind of zoo at his property, and we've done a lot of fundraising and helped him out a lot.
He brings a big lion, worked with the smart ride. It's a bike ride for AIDS awareness, HIV. We've done a lot with them. My gosh, I'm just losing.
[02:06:51] Speaker E: We've sponsored, we donate for Thanksgiving, we do food drive to canned food and box food every year that we donate to the society. St. Vincent de Paul, which is kind of a hunger shelter down here for that every year. Done over 200 pounds of food every year. Pretty much. I know that because I get to carry it all.
[02:07:10] Speaker D: We do angel tree for Christmas every year for a local school, typically our Nineha Harris school, just because they're very.
[02:07:19] Speaker E: Less fortunate and they're a public school, but they need a lot more than public school funding, unfortunately, of course, we.
[02:07:25] Speaker D: Give to the Browns foundation, and we've sponsored a local softball team and now a cross country team as well in the area.
[02:07:37] Speaker A: Nice. So a lot of great things you guys are involved with, and it's very diverse.
[02:07:42] Speaker B: A little bit of everything. Obviously, you work with a lot of different charities. How do you go about deciding on which ones to work with?
[02:07:48] Speaker D: That's kind of been, gosh, how have we just kind of fallen in? It's been usually one of us, like nine. Harris, the school we work with the most, worked there and was telling us about it one time, and it was right after we had lost our former charity, and it just kind of made sense. It sounded like something, and we brought it to our board.
The wildlife rescue, same thing. It was a friend of an officer, or I guess it wasn't even a friend. He ran into the guy and just started a conversation, and that was when we were transitioning from another charity as well. And then all the food drives and stuff like that, that's just kind of natural for the time of year. We have a big group of people collect food or collect Christmas gifts.
[02:08:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:08:38] Speaker E: Angel tree, same thing. Just to give the kids a little something that they may not get at home or quite as much. Just something extra.
[02:08:46] Speaker D: Yeah.
[02:08:47] Speaker E: We try everything towards children just because.
[02:08:51] Speaker B: Tremendous work. Tremendous work, I'm sure is appreciated down there.
[02:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And I mean, this was honestly, this is one of the reasons why we started this interview series is to, everybody knows, at least Browns fans all know about the Browns backers and know that they're everywhere. But what they don't tend to know as well is what kind of charity work and community service you guys are involved with. And this is a great example of it. I mean, every single chapter that we've talked to this year is doing some sort of charity work or community service to really help the communities in which.
[02:09:21] Speaker B: They mean, frankly, we've been blown away. I mean, just by the amount of different charities and groups that the Browns backers have.
Just, we've kind of followed the browns all across the country during the season and heard from all these different chapters. So it's just really amazing, the work that you guys do and certainly appreciated.
[02:09:40] Speaker E: Absolutely.
We actually love doing it, seeing some of the stuff with those kids we deal with. We did a couple of the Christmas trees and angel trees, and we went there when they unwrapped the presents and just the smiles on their faces because they're very less fortunate. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing.
[02:09:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
All the hard work that you put in it makes it a lot easier, I'll tell you that much.
[02:10:03] Speaker B: And the really cool thing is this all just comes from just being Browns fans, right? I mean, it's this community of people that get together. They want to have like minded individuals that get together, want to watch the browns, and just this amazing good comes out of.
[02:10:18] Speaker A: So go ahead, Kristen.
[02:10:21] Speaker D: We had one of our wildlife rescue charity when he first met him, we presented a check. He's like, wait, so you're just people that get together and watch football and raise money? We're like, that pretty much sums it up.
[02:10:35] Speaker A: That's what we do, kind of. Speaking of that, is there any upcoming events that you're hosting or looking forward to this offseason?
[02:10:44] Speaker D: Our favorite part of the offseason is our postseason party, and it's really just straight up a Browns party.
[02:10:53] Speaker E: We host everybody. Every member pays a small fee for a nice, great dinner.
[02:10:58] Speaker D: Yeah. Catered meal and open bar and raffles. And we do more fundraising, of course, during that time. But it's just a party to celebrate the season. Or maybe sometimes it's just to look forward to the next season, depending on the year. And then we have our draft party, which is usually the kickoff to our next season.
[02:11:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it's been a little bit down, though these last couple of years, though, with the Browns not having a first round pick, it's not as exciting.
[02:11:26] Speaker D: So we've done the second round party, which kind of works out better because then it's on a Friday at least.
[02:11:31] Speaker E: Exactly.
[02:11:33] Speaker A: Yeah. There you and kind of, speaking of the Browns, I mean, I know we've gotten into, we've talked about you summed it up with you guys get together and watch football and raise money and so speaking of the team that we all love to watch and we hope will eventually bring it all home one year, how did you guys think the season went this year for the Cleveland Browns?
[02:11:57] Speaker E: Me personally, based on every serious injury to so many key players, obviously every team has injuries, we all know that. But when you have your starting running back, your starting quarterback, two year starting offensive linemen just done for the year without, I mean, it's just to me, I think Stefanski did an amazing job.
I am looking forward to seeing what Chubb and Watson, if they bring Chubb back, can do together. Actually being on the field since they haven't really done know when he came in. When Watson came in on the last six games. A couple of years ago after a suspension, he was still trying to get back to football.
Very. I really am curious to see what savance he can do with an actual fully healthy.
Know when you have the best, in my opinion, running back in football, if he comes back and can get healthy again and you have a quarterback that can do a lot of things if he gets his head out of his on his shoulders, and I think they can do a lot. I mean, you have a mark group, you got a great receiver, you have a great running back, you have a good, really good. What can be a really good quarterback?
To me, it can do wonders and I think it can go very far. I mean, we were hoping two years ago that three years ago when Tampa Bay played in the Super bowl, we were really hoping for a Browns buck Super bowl. To me it's perfect. I mean, teammates watching now, it'd have been great, but then injuries and it's just Stefanski gets a lot of hard knocks because he gets beat up on a lot because obviously the head coach gets blamed for it all.
The biggest problem with him is he needs to, in my personal opinion, kind of get rid of some of the play calling duties he does.
Because if, you know, there's only so many coaches that can do both. Sean Payton did it in New Orleans, won a Super Bowl. Andy Reid has done it. He's done an amazing job with it, but he also did a not so great job in Philadelphia with it. You know what I mean? So giving up some of the play calling duties I think would be beneficial for him.
And just so he can become more of a head coach because he's making a lot of, in my opinion, decisions that are based on offensive coordinator, not head coach with some of the stuff he does.
[02:14:31] Speaker B: We're right with you on that mean.
[02:14:33] Speaker A: A lot of the things that you're saying now are things that we've just reiterated all season long about Kevin Stefanski. I think he does get in his own way and I think if he could get out of his own way, it's really going to unlock this team and the talent that they have. And theoretically, right, this should be the worst that we are because all the injuries and everything else, we can only get better, right?
[02:15:00] Speaker E: Oh, I fully agree. Winning the division is something we can do I think, most years simply because, yeah, he won the MVP this year, but Deshaun Watson, in my opinion, can be probably the best quarterback in the division all around because Lamar Jackson obviously is very good MVP. It's wonderful. But when it comes to passing the ball and in the clutch time, he can't, in my opinion, do a lot. He hasn't been able to do it. You know what?
[02:15:30] Speaker B: Deshaun can't do it. Joe Flacco can.
[02:15:36] Speaker E: The biggest problem with that is making sure that Deshaun knows that Flacco is simply the backup.
[02:15:44] Speaker B: That's it.
[02:15:45] Speaker E: No competition. He's your guy. Flacco is just there just in case so we don't have to go through the rookie and PJ Walkers and the three two three losses we mounted up when our lull was happening is when we had rookie starting quarterback going against the Ravens. You knew it wasn't turn out well. Well, there's a good possibility it wasn't going to turn out well and Deshaun can realize that he is the guy, but Flacco is there just in case. Then I think it'll work out.
[02:16:16] Speaker A: So with that, I guess, and kind of looking to the future in this offseason and everything else, is there any.
I mean, I know you said probably Kevin Stefanski getting out of his own way is an area that needs addressed, but do you predict any major surprises or big moves for the franchise in the offseason?
[02:16:37] Speaker E: The only one that I would say, which I would hate if they did, was the cutting of Nick Chubb, which I've read a few times is on people's minds because they would save a bunch of money. But he's still very young. Not very young, but he's still under 30 and he's still, again, in my opinion, the best running back in football.
And that would be, to me, the only big surprise. I mean, if they wanted to bring in, say, mike Evans or receiver since they traded away people's Jones, which really surprised number two, they need a number two receiver. They don't have fair.
[02:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah, to be fair, Donovan, people's Jones went to, was it Detroit and recorded like four catches. The rest of the.
[02:17:24] Speaker E: Greatest number two guy, but at least he was a number know. Elijah Moore's fine, Goodwin is okay for a deep ball once in a while, but neither of them are going to go across the middle. They're not going to make the catches that need to be made for first downs and such.
[02:17:40] Speaker A: I think we're in total agreement about a number two receiver. You got to have another threat out there to keep everybody.
And you mentioned Nick Chubb and them possibly cutting Nick Chubb. The funny thing about that is when we first started our show almost two years ago on one of our is either our first or second episode, we said not this season, not this coming season, but the following season might be Nick Chubb's last, which would be this season.
And we've been talking about it ever since just because the way the salary cap works and everything else, and the league doesn't want to pay running backs. So we like to think we were the first to report on it.
[02:18:17] Speaker B: But now it's big news.
[02:18:19] Speaker A: Now it's big news.
[02:18:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:18:23] Speaker A: I like to think of us as a three letter network brs, but not everybody else does.
[02:18:28] Speaker B: But I do think that we're right in lockstep. Again with you on Nick Chubb. I mean, in that he is unequivocally the best running back in the NFL today. We'll see how the knee construction holds up once he's back to healthy. But assuming he comes back to where he was and can play where he was again unequivocally the best running back in the game.
[02:18:50] Speaker A: And so with that, obviously there could be a lot of big changes. There's going to be a lot going on in the offseason for the Browns. How excited are you guys for next year?
[02:19:02] Speaker E: Yeah, like I said earlier, I'm very excited about the possibility of actually having a healthy team with a premier running back. As long as he comes back from the injury and they keep him with a quarterback that can play very well and receivers that want to play for him again, safancy getting out of his own way and maybe not being a full time play caller. And to me, if the defense can for the most part stay, don't. I could see big things. Obviously, that might be a pipe dream, but they have the talent, if you will, to do some really good things if everybody stays healthy. But of course that's a big hit for everybody in the world.
[02:19:40] Speaker A: Kristen, are you excited?
[02:19:42] Speaker D: I'm very excited, but I try to keep those expectations.
You got to win with lower expectations and then like this year, very pleasantly surprised. And I hope it next year even better. I'm trying to keep my excitement very mediocre.
[02:20:07] Speaker A: That's a good outlook as a Browns fan because the offseason is long and there's a lot of crazy things that.
[02:20:13] Speaker B: Could happen the moment you get excited. That's when things usually go wrong.
[02:20:18] Speaker A: They go bad.
One last football question for you guys. Obviously the Super bowl happened over the weekend. So what did you guys think about the Super bowl? Did you enjoy it even down to the halftime show? What was your guys'favorite parts of the Super Bowl?
[02:20:34] Speaker D: I enjoyed it. Obviously a close game since either team don't really care.
I was excited to see just a close game. Obviously overtime is even more exciting and I love the halftime show. I'm always in it for the halftime show. I don't think it was quite as good as two years ago, but it was.
[02:20:55] Speaker A: Kristen, were you like my wife? Were you dancing?
[02:20:58] Speaker D: Of course.
[02:20:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:21:00] Speaker A: There you.
Was there any screams in the house when Usher took his shirt off?
[02:21:09] Speaker D: It took a little too long for that to happen.
[02:21:15] Speaker A: We had an over under last week on when he was going to lose his shirt and we said he might start shirtless and that would be the most enjoyable, but he did not.
[02:21:26] Speaker E: Very true.
[02:21:27] Speaker B: He looked good on roller skates, though.
[02:21:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that was OD.
Dave, what'd you think of mean?
[02:21:33] Speaker E: I thought it was very mean. Obviously, Usher was my high school days, so I thought I was know getting to see him. He kind of wish he did a little more of the upbeat to start, the, you know, you kind of songs to start, but it was still very know. It wasn't bad. The Dr. Dre won for a couple of years, like she said was hard to beat. So that's still in my head that that's like the show of shows right now. But I think you did very well. The game was exciting.
First quarter was a little boring.
Punt, punt, turnover, turnover. But it was cool. I mean, going to overtime is always cool, especially in the Super bowl.
And then Taylor Swift winning the Super bowl is great.
[02:22:16] Speaker A: Bringing dads and daughters together everywhere.
[02:22:18] Speaker E: Exactly.
Wish it would have been. Kind of was over the 49 ers a little bit, just for something new, but the Chiefs are a dynasty for a reason.
[02:22:30] Speaker A: On the other hand, the 49 ers win and they're tied for the most Super Bowls ever.
[02:22:34] Speaker E: True.
[02:22:37] Speaker A: But they didn't. Yeah.
It's hard to beat Patrick Mahomes, that's for sure.
[02:22:44] Speaker B: We almost did it.
[02:22:45] Speaker A: The Browns almost did it once. Yeah.
[02:22:50] Speaker E: We knocked him out of the game.
[02:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah. And then we couldn't stop Chad Henny.
That's two episodes in a row that the Chad Henney thing got brought up. I'm not liking mean.
[02:23:01] Speaker B: Dave brought it up. He was talking about it earlier.
[02:23:03] Speaker A: Come on, Dave.
[02:23:04] Speaker B: It was like I was just remembering, like, man, that was like our best shot, really. It was. We were playing so well. That was.
[02:23:10] Speaker A: It was. Now, before we get going, we do want to mention that we are brought to you by who?
[02:23:14] Speaker B: Kenny Seaside events as the official cruise event provider of the Cleveland Browns and organizer of the Browns fan Cruise.
[02:23:20] Speaker A: And so with that in mind, as we mentioned, they did run a competition for the brownsbackers that your chapter won. And although that is over, we still want to say that we'll be mcg several events aboard the ship, and there will be 16 alumni joining the cruise that fans will get to mingle with, like their normal people. So for anyone that hasn't booked yet, please do so because it's going to be a great time.
[02:23:42] Speaker B: Speaking of that, is there anybody in particular that either of the two of you are looking forward to meeting on the fan cruise?
[02:23:49] Speaker E: Meet Josh Cribs. I think it'd be a lot of fun.
[02:23:53] Speaker A: Guest appearance. I love it.
[02:23:56] Speaker E: He's coming right in. Cribs.
[02:23:58] Speaker A: No, I was talking about your dog.
[02:24:04] Speaker E: And then, sadly enough, Gary Barnage. I think he's going to be hysterical just from the two years of how much. How popular that guy was for two years.
[02:24:12] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[02:24:14] Speaker A: Quick plug for us. Check out our interview with Gary Barnage. He was a really good interview. We have a lot of him and Chris both. They were both really good.
And then Kristen, did you have anybody in particular that you were looking forward to seeing?
[02:24:29] Speaker D: I'm a little excited for Dave Bastadil, a fellow ou alumni.
[02:24:33] Speaker A: Nice.
[02:24:35] Speaker D: Yeah, I thought that was kind of exciting.
[02:24:39] Speaker B: Dave was actually another really great interview.
He's a punter, but like, man, he was an open book for us and he spent a lot of time with us.
[02:24:46] Speaker A: He had a lot of good stories. He was one of the ones that, I think he had a couple of stories off air that we were like, man, it's going to be fun hanging out with you on the fan cruise. So definitely, when you get a chance, go talk to him and say, hey.
But the other thing we do want to mention real quick is our burning river Sportscast hot take hotline. And so, Kenny, can you explain what the hot take hotline is?
[02:25:07] Speaker B: Absolutely. So we do have a voicemail box set up for Browns fans to call in and vent or just give us their thoughts, whether they're happy, sad, excited, any of the emotions on the spectrum.
[02:25:17] Speaker A: Maybe all at the same time.
[02:25:18] Speaker B: Maybe at the same time. Well, we want to hear from Browns fans all over the country, just hear what their thoughts are, whether that's during the season, during games, during the offseason. Mailbox is open 24 7365. That number is 330-227-8080 we'll throw it on the screen here. For anybody watching the YouTube version of the podcast. Again, that number is 330-227-8080 we love to hear from Browns fans all across the country and what their thoughts are, so we play the best takes and put them on our show each week.
[02:25:47] Speaker A: Absolutely. And so, Dave and Kristen, is there anything else that you guys want to say to Cleveland fans that are thinking about joining a Brownsbackers chapter, I mean, good.
[02:25:59] Speaker D: I think absolutely. Do it, especially if you're outside of the Cleveland area. It's like bringing a little home away from home and whether you're diehard, totally into the Browns or maybe just remember watching a few games when you were younger. Absolutely. It's totally for you. It's good for the community. Good for you.
Yeah. It's a great time. And I guess he can tell you.
[02:26:24] Speaker E: Yeah. I'm not going to lie. I didn't even know football teams had clubs until I met her. And becoming a member has been very, actually very exciting.
Meeting fans that are as crazy and as heartfelt for a team, but also enjoy just having fun with each other, watching the game and just having a good time. Obviously, you get happy, you get sad, whatever. That's football. So being able to enjoy that and then see fans enjoying it, it's a lot of fun. I would highly recommend going and becoming a member of a club and watching as many games you can with the club. It's just if one in your area, go check it out, because if it's anything like ours, which I'm sure most of them are, it is a lot of fun.
[02:27:12] Speaker A: Yeah. And fun fact. The Browns Backers. The Cleveland Browns Backers are the largest organized fan club of any team in the entire world. So they are everywhere.
So you mentioned you didn't even know teams had clubs. Well, we've got the best one of them all. So definitely, if you get a chance, even if you don't join and you want to try it out a little bit first, just find your nearest Browns backers organization when you're traveling and go watch a game with them.
[02:27:45] Speaker E: That's exactly what I would do.
That's what I would recommend. Just check it out. If you like it, cool. If not, fine. But it's a good time and you get to watch your.
[02:27:54] Speaker A: Absolutely, absolutely. And so, guys, it's been great having you. We really appreciate it. Again, congratulations on winning the Brownsbackers competition for the Cleveland Browns fan cruise. Thank you so much for joining us. And we'll see you on the cruise.
[02:28:09] Speaker B: Yeah, a couple of weeks. We'll see you guys.
[02:28:11] Speaker E: Appreciate it. Seaside events fan Cruise is going to be a lot of fun.
[02:28:41] Speaker A: Good time talking to Dave and huh?
[02:28:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Look, what better way to round out the season of Brownsbackers interviews. This was our first year doing this. Obviously, we followed the Browns.
[02:28:53] Speaker A: I liked it.
[02:28:54] Speaker B: It was all across the country. Talked to Brownsbackers everywhere that we played, learned a ton about all their organizations and the things that they're involved in. I'm blown away by the amount of community service and charity work that these guys do. This was incredibly eye opening. And again, what better way to kind of round out, close out this whole segment of our show for the year than by talking to the team that actually won the Browns Backers competition for the Browns fan.
[02:29:25] Speaker A: You know, obviously, speaking of the Browns fan Cruise, we do want to book that final interview with Hanford Dixon. Hanford, give us a call.
But we haven't been able to make it happen yet. We will, though, before the cruise for shrilla.
Again.
[02:29:42] Speaker B: Got you again.
[02:29:43] Speaker A: You got me again, Kenny, what time is it? What time is it?
[02:29:49] Speaker B: Time for the Cleveland Browns fan cruise. That is the official signal to remind you that the fan cruise is just 25 days away.
[02:29:58] Speaker A: 25 days, man. We're almost there. It's going down. It's going down.
[02:30:04] Speaker B: Timber. We will all be there. That's right. Ronnie red out. Ronnie jams, myself, Kenny Thunder, and the big bone, man. Big bone hanging out on a cruise.
[02:30:14] Speaker A: The biggest bone you'll ever see for.
[02:30:16] Speaker B: Five straight days in the Caribbean. Having a hell of a time with 16 Browns alumni. And I just can't wait to go.
I am so cabin fever.
[02:30:28] Speaker A: You're wearing your macho man Randy savage hawaiian shirt today. Oh, yeah.
[02:30:33] Speaker B: I also am wearing my wedding ring today, which I forgot to tell you I lost for like, two weeks. It's in my bed.
[02:30:39] Speaker A: That's in your bed.
We'll go there.
[02:30:44] Speaker B: Next is easily explainable. We got the sleep number adjustable bed, right? And it's the hybrid. So the top is split. It's not a full split down the middle.
It was under Christine's half of the split top mattress. Somehow I don't even know how it got under there, but.
[02:31:03] Speaker A: Unbelievable.
[02:31:03] Speaker B: I've been, like, living with a naked hand for the last two weeks.
[02:31:06] Speaker A: Don't you hate that?
[02:31:07] Speaker B: I don't know where I'm going to find this thing. I know it's in the room because.
[02:31:11] Speaker A: Your wedding ring has some heft to it. You feel it, and as soon as you lose it, you're like, was like.
[02:31:16] Speaker B: All I could think about all day long. I'm like, rubbing my naked finger and I finally found it this morning.
[02:31:19] Speaker A: You love rubbing naked fingers. Oh, yeah. But anyways, let me remind you to call the burning river sportscast hotline. But before I remind you to call it, we actually have a call that came in on the burning river sportscast hot tank hotline. Don't we?
[02:31:32] Speaker B: We do have a call on the burning river sports guest hot take hotline. So we talked earlier about Kevin Stefanski and how he won coach of the year. We did have a caller call in and give us his thoughts on Kevin Stefanski. Let's hear it with that.
[02:31:49] Speaker A: Hey, guys, this is Robert from green. Jim Schwartz, absolutely deserving of the assistant coach of the year. But can Browns fans forgive and forget Stefanik enough to celebrate him as coach of the year? How about talking that up on your next show? Will you still be calling him?
He certainly isn't going to give up.
[02:32:07] Speaker B: Offensive play calling now that he basically.
[02:32:10] Speaker A: Got an award for. So fair enough.
[02:32:12] Speaker B: So first off, I like the fact that he called him Stefanic.
[02:32:15] Speaker A: Yeah. That's straight out of our show. Strong words from a strong man. Robert from Green shows no mercy.
Yeah.
Look, we as well as anybody remember because we were huge detractors when it came to Kevin Stefanski.
I mean, we coined the name Stefanic, so we know well how this can go. But at the same time, I just.
[02:32:43] Speaker B: Think it's like we discussed earlier in the show, right? It's like they have to extend him because of the coach of the year award, because of the season they had this year.
I still think there's a lot of doubt in whether or not he's the right guy for the job. I think you heard it from not only us, I think you heard it from the Brownsbackers and Pinellas just now, which is there's a lot of people still uncomfortable with Kevin Stefanski calling plays and not just not focusing on the, not being the head coach of the football team.
I just don't know when that's going to change.
[02:33:12] Speaker A: I don't know if it will and I don't either. What I will say is the NFL, just like everything else in life, is a what have you done for me lately?
[02:33:21] Speaker B: League.
[02:33:22] Speaker A: And lately he's won coach of the year, so he's probably going to get an extension. And that's where we're at. And it is what it is. I think you have valid points as far as is it going to be all sunshine and rainbows? Who knows? I think there are some doubts. There are some things that we'll be watching closely next year and deciding whether or not to give him back his Stefanik name or keep his Stefanski name.
But yeah, valid concerns.
[02:33:48] Speaker B: I just think it's going to be a really interesting season to see what they do with that offense between schematically what Ken Dorsey and Kevin Stefanski draw up between now and then, in terms of what they want this offense to look like, and from a personnel standpoint, how do they remake the wide receiver room? What did they decide to do with Nick Chubb? Are you really going to head into next year with Jerome Ford as your lead back? I mean, this offense could look entirely different.
[02:34:17] Speaker A: I think that's the one thing the Browns fans, and again, that's why I hate you talking about the offseason, is because I think Browns fans underestimate just how different this team could look starting next season.
[02:34:29] Speaker B: Very much so.
[02:34:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And so thanks a lot, robert, from green, for really turning us down at the end of our show.
But I mean, it's a fair point. It was a pretty hot take. Dude just won coach of the year and you're calling in and asking if he deserves that.
[02:34:43] Speaker B: That is fair.
Like I said, I think there was cases to be made for other coaches, too. And if it weren't for the amount of injuries and adversity that the sprouts team faced this year, I think that.
[02:34:55] Speaker A: Just goes back to the what have you done for me lately? And what he overcame this year was phenomenal.
[02:34:59] Speaker B: It was pretty impressive.
[02:35:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And so with that, now let me remind you to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes.
[02:35:10] Speaker C: We want hot takes.
[02:35:11] Speaker A: We want hot takes.
[02:35:13] Speaker B: We want hot takes.
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[02:35:30] Speaker C: They're asleep.
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[02:35:34] Speaker B: Www. We will be soon.
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[02:35:52] Speaker B: Next week? So, obviously this was the Super bowl show. Super bowl is over.
[02:35:55] Speaker A: Which means season two.
[02:35:57] Speaker B: Season is officially over.
[02:35:59] Speaker A: We did it.
Two seasons and an off season so far.
[02:36:03] Speaker B: That's right. And we will officially begin our offseason mode for burn river sportscast. We will be coming to you weekly up through the Browns fan cruise. After the fan cruise, we will probably reschedule things and move to bi weekly. Either way, we're going to take a quick break, probably before the draft and just take a couple of weeks off to regroup and plan for next season. And then obviously we will bring up any browns news that comes up, even if we aren't doing a show, if there's any major news, check our social. Some kind of bullet on our socials. We'll continue to post things on the socials as updates are made, players are signed, coaches are signed, and including all the content that we put together for this year in regard to Browns interviews with players with Browns backers. And obviously we will have a ton to share about the Browns fan cruise once we get back from that in mid March.
[02:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah, and keep an eye out on our socials leading up to the fan cruise. I kid you not when I say we have a shit ton of material to drop on you guys. And that'll be coming out here very soon.
It actually started today.
[02:37:13] Speaker B: If you've missed any of the interviews with our Browns alumni, our beloved Browns alumni, again, these are alumni from past, present, future, or not future, but modern era players. We're going to have all the best parts of those interviews cut up in short form media so that you can pick and choose little pieces that you want to see.
[02:37:31] Speaker A: And that will continue after the fan cruise, I'm sure. Because we're going to have tons of footage from that.
The great.
[02:37:38] Speaker B: Well, because we can talk to them all again.
[02:37:39] Speaker A: It's going to. Oh, yeah, it's going to be.
[02:37:40] Speaker B: To hear news stories.
[02:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's going to be wild. So tapin Media is on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter at the tapping media. And Burning River Sportscast, that's. This podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at Burning River Sportscast and on X at Burning River Pod. And you can find our podcast wherever we get your podcast. Talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora, Heart radio, podcast, Castro, good pods, and so many more. And do you know what that takes us to, Kenny?
[02:38:03] Speaker B: That takes us to facts for.
[02:38:17] Speaker A: What do you got for us, Kenny?
[02:38:18] Speaker B: I've got some facts for today.
[02:38:20] Speaker A: Prove it.
[02:38:21] Speaker B: Number one.
[02:38:22] Speaker A: Number one.
[02:38:23] Speaker B: There are over 470,000,000 dogs in the world. That's one dog for every 16 people.
[02:38:33] Speaker A: That's actually less than I thought. For some reason, I don't know why. That's a huge number. That's insane. But for some reason, I thought there'd be more. Thought there'd be one dog for every, like, twelve people.
[02:38:42] Speaker B: Red eye Ronnie is unimpressed.
[02:38:45] Speaker A: Worst fact I've ever heard.
[02:38:46] Speaker B: Try number two.
[02:38:47] Speaker A: Number two, I am not red hot from that.
[02:38:52] Speaker B: Blue whales.
[02:38:53] Speaker A: Okay, now, we love talking about blue whales on the show because they are so big, massive. They're so big.
[02:39:00] Speaker B: Blue whales are so big that their arteries are so big that an adult human could swim through them.
[02:39:09] Speaker A: No.
What's the diameter of one of those things?
[02:39:16] Speaker B: Pretty big.
[02:39:17] Speaker A: Like an adult human like me, or like an adult human like you? Will you get stuck? Are you going to be like Augustus Gloop and Charlie in the chocolate factory? The pressure builds up and you shoot out of there like a rocket.
[02:39:29] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure that they're actually so big that LeBron James could swim in them. Like, they're that big.
[02:39:35] Speaker A: Yeah, but I feel like even if LeBron James could, his midsection. He's probably got a smaller waist than you.
[02:39:40] Speaker B: He's, like, 280 pounds.
[02:39:42] Speaker A: He's also six foot nine.
[02:39:44] Speaker B: Yeah, but that means his frame is wider than I am. Fat. Maybe he's got to be wider than me. He's huge.
[02:39:53] Speaker A: I would like to get LeBron on the show just to see LeBron. We don't want to talk about basketball. We just want to see blue whales.
[02:39:58] Speaker B: Arteries are so big, the Yokozuna can swim through them.
I made that part up. But they're so big, an adult human can swim through them. Can you imagine swimming through sweet. You're swimming. You're just in a blue whale. You're in their circulatory system.
[02:40:12] Speaker A: Wild. That's insane.
[02:40:14] Speaker C: You probably wouldn't have to swim. It would just push you along.
[02:40:16] Speaker B: Yeah, because it's that big heart blood. Yeah, it'd be hard to swim in there.
[02:40:20] Speaker A: Do you think they'd have a heart attack because they're trying to pump human along?
[02:40:23] Speaker B: I don't think you would even know you're in there. One human? I don't think so.
[02:40:28] Speaker A: We're like one little build up of plaque you could push through that.
[02:40:31] Speaker B: I think I read that, like, six to eight humans could actually fit inside of their heart.
[02:40:35] Speaker C: Dang.
[02:40:37] Speaker B: You'd just be one human.
[02:40:38] Speaker A: Why didn't you start with that?
[02:40:39] Speaker B: For the facts?
[02:40:40] Speaker A: Holy hell. Those are both impressive.
[02:40:42] Speaker B: I don't want to only talk about blue whales.
[02:40:44] Speaker A: I could talk about blue whales all day.
[02:40:47] Speaker B: Number three. I think this one will get you.
[02:40:50] Speaker A: Okay, I'm in.
[02:40:51] Speaker B: This is a good one.
[02:40:51] Speaker A: Let's hear it.
[02:40:52] Speaker B: Vampire bats.
[02:40:55] Speaker A: Which ones?
[02:40:57] Speaker B: Vampire bats. Oh, vampire bats.
[02:40:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:40:59] Speaker B: Okay. Their teeth are so sharp that you may not feel them bite you.
On top of that, their saliva dulls pain, and often they can feast on a victim's blood for up to 30 minutes undetected.
[02:41:19] Speaker C: Wow.
[02:41:19] Speaker B: By that time, you're pretty well dead.
[02:41:22] Speaker A: What?
[02:41:23] Speaker B: Yeah, they have these razors, sharp fangs, they put them in you. Like, think about like a tiny gauge needle. Like you don't even know it's in you.
[02:41:30] Speaker A: This sounds awful.
[02:41:31] Speaker B: And they're just sucking your blood and then meanwhile they're just making it so you don't even feel it.
[02:41:35] Speaker A: Death by vampire dropping.
[02:41:36] Speaker B: Just dropping saliva on you. And you're like, I don't even know it's there. It's not even there. And then all of a sudden you're out of blood.
[02:41:41] Speaker A: Wouldn't you feel like it's arms or wings or something that would alert you to the fact that there's a bat stuck in your blood?
[02:41:47] Speaker B: You might, but bats are the only flying mammals and they have thumbs, so there's a lot that can go on there.
[02:41:53] Speaker A: Damn.
[02:41:53] Speaker C: Very gentle.
[02:41:54] Speaker A: Thumbs are what set us apart. Just in case anyone didn't know this, thumbs are what set us apart from bats. Well, yeah, I mean, now I'm fucking scared. But before thumbs are like, that's why monkeys and stuff are scary, is because they can grab things and use tools and whatnot. But everything else, apparently not bats, but everything else, they're fucked because a dog is trying to come get you. Well, guess what? I'm going to close the door. You can't open the door. You don't have thumbs.
[02:42:16] Speaker B: I think bats are also very light, so if it landed, like, say it landed on your shoulder and you had a jacket on, its teeth would be able to pierce your jacket, but it's pretty light. You wouldn't know it was there unless.
[02:42:28] Speaker A: How many bats make one?
[02:42:29] Speaker B: Kenny turns your head.
If I had to scale a bat, it's at least one 237th of a human being.
[02:42:37] Speaker A: Oh, well, glad you have that down to us.
[02:42:39] Speaker B: In diecast. It's 116. It's 1601, 600.
[02:42:44] Speaker A: I don't know what you're saying, but thank you.
[02:42:45] Speaker B: All right. Don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[02:42:48] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning river podcast.
[02:42:54] Speaker B: Burning river.
[02:42:56] Speaker A: Burning river.
[02:42:58] Speaker B: Why was this show so long?
[02:43:00] Speaker A: We talked a lot about browns thing, talked a lot about the Super bowl.
[02:43:04] Speaker B: The Super Bowl. Super bowl.
[02:43:06] Speaker A: Guys, me and Ursha wants more when we leave some dead. The season is when a lady in the sheets put a freaking to bed. This is it.
[02:43:13] Speaker B: It's over. We did a whole season. We did it whole brown. 22 weeks.
[02:43:19] Speaker A: How's it feel? Bone to be a part. Three weeks season.
[02:43:21] Speaker C: It was fun. I enjoyed it. Thanks.
[02:43:22] Speaker A: Was bone in every season?
[02:43:24] Speaker B: Well, except for the ones he was on vacation.
[02:43:26] Speaker C: If I was sick or on vacation.
[02:43:27] Speaker A: Was that when he started? Was the beginning of the season?
[02:43:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I've been here the whole season.
[02:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah, he was here because he was in king of the north. So he was here all year.
[02:43:34] Speaker A: King of the north. Which he won.
[02:43:36] Speaker B: Which he won by the lost.
[02:43:37] Speaker A: We still got to figure out that punishment. Anything off top of your head?
[02:43:42] Speaker B: Burning river sports gas.
[02:43:44] Speaker A: Burning river.
So, no, nothing off top of your head.
[02:43:47] Speaker B: I'm sorry for partying and bacardian and cardigan. And my yard again.
[02:43:54] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:43:55] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland Browns fan cruise and.
[02:43:58] Speaker E: The Bernie river sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of?
[02:44:02] Speaker B: Motorboat.
[02:44:03] Speaker E: You play the motorboat.
[02:44:06] Speaker B: You motorboat son of a bitch.
[02:44:07] Speaker A: You old sailor, you.
[02:44:08] Speaker B: You know, I was thinking during that.
[02:44:10] Speaker A: Interview, what were you. Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[02:44:15] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:44:16] Speaker E: My name is Utrid. Son of Utrid.
[02:44:18] Speaker A: By the way, I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:44:22] Speaker B: Women's guide to anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes the second edition? The weather outside is weather.
[02:44:30] Speaker A: The other one. The finger eating food. Fingers, yes.
[02:44:34] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:44:36] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:44:36] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[02:44:38] Speaker B: My house is full of shed.
[02:44:40] Speaker A: He shed everywhere. Like an adult human like me, or like an adult human like you. Like, will you get stuck? Are you going to be like Augustus Gloop and Charlie from the chocolate factory? The pressure builds up and you shoot out of there like a rocket.
[02:44:55] Speaker B: Oh, no, we suck again.
[02:44:57] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling timber.
[02:45:01] Speaker D: What do you mean, funny?
[02:45:02] Speaker A: Funny how? How am I funny?
[02:45:03] Speaker B: What I will say is this Steelers team without a quarterback was competitive. This year. They made the play.
[02:45:11] Speaker A: It's true. This year, I don't know how they did it, but going forward, I like our chances.
[02:45:15] Speaker B: Well, what I'm saying is if they get a good quarterback on that team, don't just.
[02:45:20] Speaker A: Again, the offseason just started.
God, I hate you.
[02:45:25] Speaker C: I feel like even with, like, Ryan.
[02:45:27] Speaker B: Tannehill, that is a huge upgrade over where they were.
[02:45:29] Speaker A: You're literally the worst friend to have as a Browns fan.
[02:45:31] Speaker B: I'm just saying, we all expected that by the time the Browns got good, the Steelers would be in this transitional hell. And they're not there, man.
[02:45:41] Speaker A: It's because they're a great organization. As much as I hate the Steelers and they're like, great. We know how to navigate this stuff. Just don't worry. Give us a year. We'll be back.
[02:45:48] Speaker B: They are good.
[02:45:48] Speaker A: Oh, by the way, in our rebuild year, we're going to make playoffs. Goddamn jets. All I do is win, win no matter what.
[02:45:56] Speaker B: The leads are weak.
[02:45:58] Speaker A: Leads are weak.
[02:45:59] Speaker B: Fucking leads are weak.
[02:46:01] Speaker A: You're weak. I mean, last year when I won, I went home, my wife's pants hit the ground. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[02:46:09] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:46:10] Speaker A: But damn, my wife's going to be so mad when she watches this episode. She's like, you called me middle aged in the middle.
[02:46:16] Speaker B: Well, I tried to say that earlier. I tried to stop you.
[02:46:19] Speaker A: We're all middle aged.
[02:46:20] Speaker C: Doubled and tripled down on this.
[02:46:21] Speaker B: Well, people love quadruple.
You know why? Mr. Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight. I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
[02:46:33] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Now, I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers.
I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:46:43] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[02:46:44] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:46:46] Speaker E: I desperately want to make love.
[02:46:47] Speaker B: We need cheese girl. Now, who's canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[02:46:56] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:46:56] Speaker B: You making a photo of fat people?
[02:46:59] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:47:01] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:47:04] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:47:10] Speaker C: You first get shocked, and then you get the shocker.
[02:47:15] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[02:47:17] Speaker E: That's cool, man.
[02:47:18] Speaker B: Whatever.
[02:47:18] Speaker D: No, you're just people that get together and watch football and raise money. We're like, that pretty much sums it up.
[02:47:26] Speaker B: Are you not entertained?
[02:47:28] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
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