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[00:00:55] Speaker B: Media the it's time, time for the burning river sportscast. It was a chilly day in hell for our budy art model, who had to watch his sports progeny fall to Taylor Swift and the Kansas City Chiefs as they punched their ticket to the Super bowl on Sunday at M and T Bank Stadium, while the Sunshine State remained golden as the 49 ers made an improbable comeback, down 17 to put away the red hot new look lions, bursting the hearts of most America as they were rooting for new blood. In this Super bowl cycle, the ultimate matchup is set. Niners Chiefs, one ripe with the tradition of winning and another building a modern dynasty. And the biggest question of all, what will Taylor wear while the world championship looms large? We've still got to weather our way through the penultimate NFL event of the year, the pro bullshit games, before Thunderdome can officially commence. Meanwhile, back in the hardland, your Cleveland Browns are making moves to fortify their barracks as we settle into the long, cold offseason ahead.
[00:02:11] Speaker C: And we'll break it all down for.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: You next on the burning river sportscast.
So they'll just put the white flag up for a play and run the other way.
[00:02:31] Speaker D: Good strategy.
[00:02:33] Speaker C: Good joke there.
Well, and that's why I was saying you got to let the market play out a little bit, because you don't pay them like Diggs. You pay them like t. Higgins, right? You don't pay them like a Diggs. You pay them like a Higgs.
When you think of the NFL, what are the few demographics that they don't really get? One of them is like girls. Yeah, latin age girls.
And another one, honestly, is like our wives. Like middle aged women.
[00:03:08] Speaker B: Just call our wives middle aged women.
[00:03:11] Speaker C: They are.
This is the definition.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: Now, are we middle aged now 34?
[00:03:19] Speaker C: Yeah, we are. My wife's a cougar, so it is what it is.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: But middle age, you got the swifties.
[00:03:26] Speaker D: And then you got usher at halftime this year.
[00:03:28] Speaker C: So it's going to be middle aged.
[00:03:29] Speaker D: Women galore right there.
[00:03:32] Speaker C: So many middle aged women will be watching the Super bowl this year.
[00:03:35] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:03:38] Speaker C: For how long before Usher loses his shirt?
[00:03:41] Speaker B: I mean, I hope it's at the first 10 seconds.
[00:03:42] Speaker D: Does he still got it?
[00:03:43] Speaker B: He still has it, man. I think usher, way more jacked than Jason, drives Chelsea.
[00:03:47] Speaker C: I think Usher comes out shirtless.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: No one fights like Gaston. No one bites like Gaston. No one's neck is incredibly thick as Gaston. He kind of has that look, like that jaw and he's jacked up.
[00:04:03] Speaker C: Usher's going to be dating for like three months.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: There's going to be, doesn't matter. Love is love, man.
[00:04:08] Speaker C: That's true. That's true.
[00:04:09] Speaker D: They're getting old. I mean, taylor's our age.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: She's a middle aged woman, right?
[00:04:15] Speaker C: I bet she doesn't think of herself as a middle aged woman. But you are, Taylor. If you're listening to the burning river sportscast, just know you're a middle aged woman.
[00:04:24] Speaker B: Count me in as one of those middle aged women on stage like, yeah, over under.
Yeah.
[00:04:32] Speaker C: Over under for her.
[00:04:41] Speaker B: Welcome into the burning river sportscast, presented by tapping media and brought to you by seaside events as the official cruise event provider of the cleveland Browns and organizer of the Browns fan cruise. I'm Kenny thunder, joined by archbishop of the satanic diocese, the original center red hot Ronnie jams and the one and only and never lonely former lover of both TLC and the Dixie chicks, the big bone, man bone. The question everyone has been wondering, which of your former tropes is more equipped for a secret mission deep in the Middle east to topple a terrorist regime should the world require it be done?
[00:05:13] Speaker D: It's just the chicks now, but definitely them.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: Why are the chicks, they don't go.
[00:05:20] Speaker D: By Dixie chicks anymore. They're just the chicks.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: No, I mean, why are they more equipped for the top of the terrorist regime?
[00:05:26] Speaker C: Because TLC is missing left eye.
[00:05:28] Speaker D: They're gun rights advocates.
[00:05:31] Speaker B: Solid back to red hot.
[00:05:33] Speaker C: I don't think they are. I don't think they are. They got in big trouble for there.
[00:05:38] Speaker D: Anyways, I may have or may not have made all that up.
[00:05:42] Speaker B: Back to red hot.
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[00:06:58] Speaker C: Nice. But yeah, make sure you check it out. We're constantly adding the store. And here's the deal. The Browns are out of the playoffs, and we've had to watch the Ravens play after we were knocked out for these last two weeks. Well, not anymore.
The Chiefs finally saved us all from having to see the Ravens in a Super bowl. So I'm feeling pretty good today.
It's a good day. So let's get right into things and start with the agenda for today's show. Today we've got updates on the Cleveland Browns. Obviously, quite a few things have broken in the last week or so.
I think our coaching staff is completely rounded out. Now. We're trying, and then after that, we've got the conference championship recap for the NFL playoffs, and then we round things out in the second half of the show with the Pro bowl games preview.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: I know you're Pro bowl games.
[00:07:49] Speaker C: I know you're excited for this, Kenny.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: I'm not.
[00:07:51] Speaker C: Yeah, you are.
So, as the greatest american actor of all time once said, yabadabadoo.
Let's go ahead and get into things with the Burning river news story of the week, Vince McMahon has resigned as TKO chairman. The end of an era.
TKO, in case anyone was wondering, is the parent holding company of WWE. This resignation comes in the wake of a former employee's lawsuit accusing McMahon of sex trafficking, sexual assault, and physical abuse. The horrifying allegations against McMahon were brought forward by Janelle Grant, who she previously worked at WWE headquarters, and she alleged that McMahon promised a job and later promotions at WWE in exchange for sex. Grant's lawsuit also includes allegations that McMahon trafficked her to other men inside and outside the company, including John Lorinidis. In case anyone doesn't know, he's a former wrestler who also worked in the company's talent relations department. Was kind of like the face of Raw for a long time.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: He was the general manager for a while. He was famous for future endeavoring, those that needed to be endeavored.
[00:09:24] Speaker C: I know that's your favorite term as far as.
[00:09:27] Speaker D: That's James Laronitis's dad, like, right?
[00:09:30] Speaker C: No, no.
[00:09:31] Speaker D: Different guy.
[00:09:32] Speaker C: No relation. Okay.
[00:09:33] Speaker D: I thought there was a wrestler that was Laronitis.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: That was.
[00:09:34] Speaker C: There was. But he was part of road warriors. Yeah, road warriors, but no relation to John Lorinidis that I know of. But anyways, Laura Nidas was also named a defendant in the lawsuit, and there are allegations that several other WWE superstars were involved. So let's talk about this. Kenny, I know you kind of were the one that tipped me off to this. You sent me some of the texts that McMahon was sending to, what is her name? Janelle Grant.
[00:10:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
Look, I mean, obviously, there's some heft to this story, so I don't want to make a bunch of fun, but the texts that came from Vince McMahon were quite sultry.
[00:10:21] Speaker C: Quite sultry.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: These things were egregious, shocking for a man of his age. Talking about the things that he did with this woman, wanted to do with this woman, would do with that, concerning her appetite for sexual endeavors.
And it was pretty smutty.
[00:10:40] Speaker C: So not good.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: I don't know that we can even say these things.
[00:10:44] Speaker C: We're not going to get into the.
[00:10:45] Speaker B: Actual testimony, but, I mean, look, end of an era. It's the first time since 1953, when the World Wrestling Federation was invented, that McMahon is not in charge of the industry, which is pretty wild.
[00:11:00] Speaker C: Especially wild. I mentioned this earlier when we were talking off air.
This family has run this business that long, and for a business just as a whole, that's so rife with conspiracies, with scandals, with scandals, with all kinds of stuff going on behind the scenes, somehow they've always come back bigger, better, stronger, and made things work. But you don't really come back from this.
[00:11:31] Speaker B: When this story first hit, when it came out that he had paid, essentially, a mistress and that was the cause for the divorce from Linda, and he stepped away from WWE the first time.
[00:11:42] Speaker C: He was kind of six month sabbatical to make it, to let it blow over.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:46] Speaker C: And then he came back with a.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: Mustache back when the whole deal with the Saudis and TKO went down and was all of a sudden back in the fold. And then, boom, this hit. These text messages, apparently, there's dozens of pages that look like this, which is kind of scary.
[00:12:01] Speaker C: Dude, 70 years old.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I just don't even. That's the crazy thing about it is, like, what is happening right now? Most 70 year olds do not do these things, and they shouldn't.
Most people shouldn't.
But, yeah, look, this is a scandal as big as any in the history of the company because you're talking very serious allegations of trafficking to other WWE superstars, to other people on staff. This was the same female involved that was paid the $3 million, essentially in hush money to sign an NDA to say that she wouldn't talk about this.
And it's back in the news again. And TKO has done their part to part ways with Vince McMahon at this point, and they've kind of given him already the Chris Benoit treatment. They've erased him from the annals of WWE.
[00:13:01] Speaker C: If you go on the website, it's.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: Already gone, no longer exists. There's no biography. There's nothing that mentions Vince McMahon. And he was a huge part of the attitude era and segression era when he was wrestling and stuff. Like, all that stuff is gone. He's been totally Chris Benoit and just no longer exists, essentially, in the history of the WWE in terms of a digital footprint.
Here's what I will say, is that I think he's like 77 now or 76.
Something tells me this still won't be the last we see of Vince McMahon.
[00:13:41] Speaker C: Well, I was just going to say, even in Chris Benoit's case. So that's the example you just used. And if you've watched wrestling in recent years, they've actually come off that and they don't mention him in such a bright light like they used to and say Benoit was one of the greatest. But they talk about him now.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: Well, because the Benoit thing is incredibly sad and also incredibly rife with conspiracy. It's come out a ton of things in the last few years that maybe this isn't as cut and dry as they thought. But ultimately, the fact that Benoit's brain was ruined essentially as a result of wrestling is kind of one of those things, like with the NFL and head injuries, you can't pretend like it didn't happen because you were the product essentially that caused this.
[00:14:23] Speaker C: It was Chris Benoit. If any wrestling fans out there, you know, Chris Benoit was on massive amounts of gear at all times.
[00:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And they all were at that.
[00:14:32] Speaker C: Uh, so that probably played into that coupled with the brain injuries, like, just the lifestyle that he was living for. So contributed massively to what happened there.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: All the way around. Incredibly sad. This is, again just another black mark on the organization.
Again. Seems like TKO now. The parent company is doing what they can to distance themselves from this. But if something tells me this will not be the last you see of Vince McMahon, there's one thing I'll say about Vince McMahon, for all his impurities and sins, is this man is the ultimate promoter and loves being in the limelight. And I just feel like whether it's six months, a year, twelve months, this guy will be back in some form or fashion.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: Not that we're advocating for it, because I'm not at all, but to your point, he was done the first time around. Everybody was like, we'll never see Vince McMahon again. And he literally took a six month sabbatical, came back with a predator mustache and basically rubbed it in everybody's faces like, yes, I'm back. And I'm more in front of everything than ever.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: Yeah, they had a celebration.
[00:15:39] Speaker C: Like, I'm back.
[00:15:40] Speaker B: I think what's probably more sad about this is the fact that this probably was not the only girl that was ever involved in.
[00:15:48] Speaker C: Well, and to that point, I think there's four people that have come forward.
[00:15:51] Speaker B: Total so far because there was also talk about the fact that Shane was in due, supposed to kind of take over the company and run the company and has been involved in WWE.
[00:16:02] Speaker C: He came back and he kind of got real deep involved again in the last. He's been out for a little bit, but there was like a two, three year stretch where he was back in.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: It and he was out running his own businesses and things for a while, too, because he was trying to distance himself from this. He was like, you're going to get us all in jail. So the things that are starting to come out around this story are even more troubling than just this individual.
[00:16:25] Speaker C: It's like the classic one on its own. Nobody wants to be the one to tell on him. But somebody needed to be right.
[00:16:31] Speaker B: And it's one of those things where Vince has been untouchable for so long, everything that that man has done, people said, you can't do that. And he went ahead and did it anyway. When the regionals were all independent circuits and he was like, I'm just going to start wrestling in all of your territories. And he started acquiring them and built this powerhouse and became really one of the first big billionaire names in the country in the modern era. And he just does once all along.
[00:17:02] Speaker C: He's a sexual predator, apparently.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: Now we know that he has some sexual fetishes that bone. Your thoughts on this went amok, I guess.
[00:17:11] Speaker D: I read some of the depth. I think it's called a deposition. Like the girl wrote about everything that went down. It was pretty insane. Like, some of the stuff that was.
[00:17:19] Speaker C: Written, we can't even begin to say, I'm on. I mean, it was just because of our rating of our show, we consider ourselves mostly clean. I'll drop an f bomb here and there, but we're mostly clean. And some of this stuff, I would just feel uncomfortable reading this.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, this was enforced group engagement, multiple other individuals sort of thing.
Yeah. Just kind of crazy all the way around.
But at the end of the day, ultimately, like you said, end of an era. We'll see what happens here and we'll see if Vince does find his way back or if he is finally ko'd.
[00:17:59] Speaker C: Yep, I get it. And in a weird coincidence, Dwayne the Rock Johnson was added to the TKO board earlier in the week. And basically he's going to be running everything.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: Yeah, this happened, I think, before even this kind of hit. The news stories this week was. This was more of a move, I think, because there was some uncomfortability with the way this was sold to the parent company, TKO. And the saudi involvement and all this that bringing the rock back into the fold was kind of like this.
[00:18:30] Speaker C: Everything he touches, olive branch to the.
[00:18:32] Speaker B: Fans to like, hey, we have familiar faces back in the organization.
And then explosion the next day when Vince McMahon's text message.
[00:18:40] Speaker C: Most people don't even know that the Rock's on the board.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: Right. I got overlooked quickly.
[00:18:45] Speaker C: But anyways, that'll do it for the news story of the week. And next up here, let's talk some Browns news.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: We'll sound it for in Browns News.
[00:18:58] Speaker C: Yeah, we will.
We still didn't come up with a snappy term for no.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: We're going to fix our outline, make it make sense, sounder.
[00:19:14] Speaker C: All right, so the Browns were busy this past week.
They've once again added a coach to their staff. Before we get to the new hires, some good news with a current coach. Bill Callahan will not be joining his son in Tennessee. It's been reported the Browns have been extremely protective over Bill. Apparently, he's one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the league, and they made it very clear that he was highly valued in the organization, and he decided that he will not be going anywhere and he will be staying in Cleveland to coach our offensive line. So good news there, which kind of.
[00:19:47] Speaker B: Seems like a move that makes sense, right? If Bill Callahan's a guy that can work independently and is successful, it'd be one thing if you were kind of the dad that was bounced around the league and you were a hanger on and you didn't have this resume to kind of, you might clout chase with your son and just join the ranks there just because you just need a job. But this guy will not have trouble finding a job in the NFL ever.
[00:20:11] Speaker C: No, but really good news there. So our offensive line should remain one of the better units in the league, especially when they're healthy.
But as far as new hires go, is it Jacques Cesare?
[00:20:25] Speaker B: Yes, Cesare.
[00:20:26] Speaker C: Jacques Cesare has been hired as the new defensive line coach. So Jim Schwartz has a new coach coaching the defensive line underneath him.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: He's french, so they'll just put the white flag up before we're playing run the other way.
[00:20:40] Speaker C: Good strategy, good joke there. Most of our viewers, I'm sure, because nobody watches theater like you, but anyways, in movies like you, but anyways, Deuce Daley here, too. Deuce Daley is officially in as the new running back coach.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: The deuce is loose.
[00:21:00] Speaker C: The deuce. Is that what we're going with? Deuce?
[00:21:02] Speaker B: That's what they used to say.
[00:21:03] Speaker C: I thought it was the juice is loose.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: No, that was a different scenario altogether.
[00:21:08] Speaker D: I remember Kenny saying this when we were kids.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: The juice is loose. That was his thing.
[00:21:12] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: It really was.
[00:21:13] Speaker C: Well, Deuce Daily is the new running to back coach, which is good because I know that we had some competition there. He had interviewed a couple other places, but ultimately he chose the Browns. Kind of surprising to me when you an up and coming star in the running backs coach area, and we talked about it between the Browns and the jets, he has kind of a rising star in the jets. As much as Nick Chubb is the best running back I've ever seen, you don't know what he looks like coming back, and you got bries hall over there in New York that you could have coached. So, yeah, interesting.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: I think it speaks.
Know, we don't always have faith in our front office, but around the league gets well respected. A lot of our executives get picked and pulled to other organizations in the front for. For whatever that's worth, Andrew Barry and company do have a pretty good track record of being able to get their guy, which is good, I guess.
[00:22:08] Speaker C: And then the big one this week, Ken Dorsey has been hired as the new offensive coordinator in Cleveland.
[00:22:14] Speaker B: How big is he?
[00:22:17] Speaker C: I'm not sure. Bone, you got any idea? No idea, but no.
The narrative out there on this one is bad for some reason. All I've seen all day long the last two days since they hired him is he's the failed OC in Buffalo. Look what they did after he got fired last year. Isn't that the guy that threw a temper tantrum and destroyed his tablet in the booth? That part? Yes, those things are true. But here's the deal.
There's been a few things reported, and I just want to put this out there. The Bills offense through week ten, that's when he was fired this past year because Josh Allen turned the ball over pretty much every other play. But the Bills offense through week ten, third in DVOA, first in success rate, third in EPA per play, fourth in QBR, third in yards per play, second and third down conversion percentage, and third in red zone efficiency. So it was legitimately like a top three offense in the league before he got fired. Not to mention, hold on, not done yet in the ten games that he was coached this year.
Points per drive, 2.45 yards per play, six success rate 48.1. Pass success rate, 52.3 rush success rate, 46.1. EPA per drive, zero. Point, 52 EPA per dropback, zero.
Since Joe Brady took over, literally every single one of those numbers got worse. Points per drive, 2.27 yards per play, 5.4 success rate, 43 seven pass success rate, 45 six rush success rate, 44 five. EPA per drive, 00:29 and EPA per dropback, zero. The biggest difference, like I had already mentioned, was Josh Allen decided to stop turning the ball over. The turnover rate under Joe Brady was 11.7% and the turnover rate under Ken Dorsey last year was 17.3%. So 6% higher. That was the difference. It had nothing to do with Ken Dorsey. It had entirely everything to do with Josh Allen throwing interceptions.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah, look, Josh Allen, that whole narrative in general is kind of a bizarre one because people want to look at the turnovers and it's bad when you see, like, he's got the most turnovers in any quarterback since 2018 or whatever, but he also led the league in touchdowns this year. So I think that's the one thing. It's like we talked about with Flacco early on. Like, he would throw a pick or two in a game, but he'd also throw three.
Yeah, you sometimes take the good with the bad. Look, I think this is another we.
[00:24:50] Speaker C: Talked about earlier in the year when it happened. Josh Allen basically geared up for the stretch run and was like, one, I think that Ken Dorsey firing was a wake up call to him. He was shit. The offensive coordinators got fired because I'm turning the ball over. And two, he's like, if we're going to make a push, we need to start it now. And he kind of tightened things up, stopped turning the ball over, and everything was great.
[00:25:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Look, I think this is one of those things, too, where coaching in the NFL is funny and every coach in the NFL is hired to get fired.
[00:25:19] Speaker C: It's true.
[00:25:20] Speaker B: Show me a coach that has not been fired in the NFL.
[00:25:22] Speaker C: Everybody wants to talk about who's our defensive coordinator, the greatest hire we've made any time recently, and guess what? He's been fired multiple times in the NFL.
[00:25:31] Speaker B: Every coach has been fired.
There's not a single coach.
[00:25:38] Speaker C: Not been fired.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: He's left before he's. But he will be fired eventually. Someday. Probably not soon, but eventually sooner than, like, he'll be fired the next ten years.
[00:25:49] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure.
[00:25:50] Speaker B: He probably won't make ten.
[00:25:51] Speaker C: If he's still coaching in Cleveland in ten years, that means the Browns probably.
[00:25:54] Speaker B: Won a Super bowl.
[00:25:55] Speaker C: That means really good things for us. Yeah, I hope he's coaching here in.
[00:25:58] Speaker B: Ten years, but he won't be.
[00:26:00] Speaker C: But I hope he is.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: But more importantly, I think this is just the reality of it is all these coaches get hired to get fired. You're a fit for as long as you're a fit, and then you're not. Look at the Buffalo Bills for the last four years while Ken Dorsey was there. They were one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL. That's why Josh Allen was on the COVID of Madden this year. That's why I punched people, picked them to win the Super bowl this year because of Josh Allen in that offense. They didn't go, oh, Demar Hamlin came back from the dead. No, they were like, Josh Allen's in this offense is spectacular. And it was run by Ken for the last.
[00:26:33] Speaker C: Well, and I think you also. I mean, as far as how quickly things can change in the NFL, just look at the Patriots, look at Bill Belichick. Sure, Tom Brady leaves and he can't win. And we'll talk about this in a little bit. But Bill Belichick might be without a job.
[00:26:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:48] Speaker C: So, like things change fast. Yeah.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: But anyway, life in the NFL, I.
[00:26:54] Speaker C: Think the big thing here with Ken Dorsey being hired is Will Kevin Stefanski hand off play calling. And we're not going to talk about just yet. We'll get back to this very soon. But just something to chew on while we get into this next one. So while we're on the subject of coaches, let's talk about one that was let go in stump Mitchell, longtime fan favorite. Great relationships from all accounts, with most of the players. A lot of them were upset that he left. A lot of fans were upset that he left. However, he did have some things to say about Kareem Hunt on his way out the door. I don't know if you saw this or not, but in an interview with Cameron justice last week, he mentioned that Kareem was always the last one to meetings, often late, and that he had a terrible work ethic. And then again later in the interview, it was reiterated, unprompted how disappointed he was with Kareem Hunt. And for context, I do want to say this. He was saying that it was his one regret that he was not able to unlock Kareem's potential.
This is kind of blown up this last week. I don't know what your guys thoughts on this of, is this a big deal or is this not a big deal?
[00:28:04] Speaker B: I think what was a bit unfortunate about this is the headline on this has been Browns coach calls out Browns players and it kind of looked like spoiled grapes or, oh, I got fired.
[00:28:16] Speaker C: So I'm going to take shots.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: But the important thing was the last thing you said, which is the way he had framed this, was that this was the one thing that he really was trying to do was to get Kareem back to what Kareem was in Kansas City. And Kareem just apparently did not have the temperament or the patience to work through their processes, and that was a huge regret for him. So it wasn't like he just came out and was like blasting players. He was just like the one thing that I had hoped to be able to do and we weren't able to do was help Kareem. And a lot of it was because he wasn't willing to help himself.
[00:28:53] Speaker C: Yeah. And to that point, I think what made it blow up was the fact that he came back to it later on. But to me, if you watch the interview, it was more like he was sitting there thinking about it.
It just bugs me so much that I have to talk about it again, because I think there's a lot of potential in Kareem, and I think Kareem could get back to being special. I just wasn't able to do it, and I don't know.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: He said in the interview, very complimentary, were very complimentary towards the organization. And he had a great five years here and all this.
It's. The whole thing's unfortunate because you wonder, like, if Nick Chubb had been healthy this year. Are we even having this discussion about stump? Probably not.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: Bone, any thoughts on this?
[00:29:35] Speaker D: Was stump here when Kareem left the first time or wasn't brought back or that was more contract issues?
[00:29:40] Speaker C: No, he was here.
[00:29:41] Speaker D: Okay. I wonder if he had anything input on, know, the first go around when they didn't bring him back.
[00:29:47] Speaker C: Maybe that's why it took so long to bring him back.
[00:29:49] Speaker D: And that could have just been money. But, yeah, he's sitting there. We're all like, he's sitting there, he's sitting there. Why is he not on the know.
[00:29:55] Speaker C: Whatever it was, something to do with it.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: What I do find a little bit strange about this, and I know we're against that, but what I do find strange is that Kareem vocalized quite the opposite. Kareem was like, I'm excited to be here. I'm willing to do anything that takes to be a winner here with the Browns. Everything came out of his mouth all season long, was like, I'm willing to just get to work and get after it. So that was kind of strange to then hear that from his coach afterward. But I don't know what that's.
[00:30:25] Speaker C: Mean. I don't know where the disconnect was there. Maybe his definition of work ethic and what makes a good work ethic. Creams was different than stumps was, and they just didn't see.
[00:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah, nothing is hard, right? We're not in the building, so we don't know what was even asked of cream.
[00:30:40] Speaker C: We know different generations have different ideas of what a work ethic should look.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: Like if cream is going, yeah, I was late to the meeting, but it's because I was doing extra ten reps in the weight room.
I could see where he would be salty. Be like, I was putting in work. Sorry I didn't make it to your meeting on time, or even if he.
[00:30:56] Speaker C: Prioritized like plays like something this week. I don't know. And this is far fetched and probably not the case, but I'm just saying, what if he was like, sorry, I got into the building late today. I had to take my daughter to daycare.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like something that we'll never know. It's hard to really make a judgment call on that.
[00:31:13] Speaker C: That's one of the things I know a lot of companies still get and a lot of that older generation still get frustrated when family stuff comes up. And I'm like, my family all the time, no matter what, will always be more important than any job that I have.
[00:31:27] Speaker B: You know, it's funny, everybody says that, too, but for some reason in corporate America, it still has not caught on.
[00:31:32] Speaker C: Right.
[00:31:32] Speaker B: You're still a slave to the.
[00:31:36] Speaker C: Yeah, to your point. You get into a job and they're like, yeah, if you need time for your family, go ahead and take. But then as soon as you do, they're like, what do you mean?
[00:31:42] Speaker B: Well, you have any candid conversation with a boss, just not about work. It's like, oh, yeah, family is definitely the most important thing. But try showing up so late three times that week.
[00:31:52] Speaker C: Sorry, we're really dealing with some stuff.
[00:31:54] Speaker D: I noticed last month you were off three days. Yeah, you let me off those days. I asked you about that.
[00:32:00] Speaker C: That's exactly how it goes. It's sad, but it's true. No. Stump also had some thoughts on whether or not, and this, why I said we'll get back to it, whether or not Stefanski would be giving up play calling this year. In a separate interview with another podcast later in the week, he said that if he were Kevin, he would not give up play calling. He says he thinks the play calling was great this season but that the execution wasn't always there. So thoughts on we, I know we've kind of gone back and forth on what we think about Stefanski's play.
So I'll leave with you guys first. I'll chime in as we get into this thing.
[00:32:33] Speaker B: But my first point would be this, is that I think in order for Kevin to give up play calling, the name would have had to be splashier than Ken Dorsey.
[00:32:43] Speaker C: I would agree.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: Not that I think Ken Dorsey is a bad OC or will do not do a good job here. I just think if you were bringing in somebody that was like an ex head coach that was getting a do over and trying to try his handed OC again before he goes back to head coaching, that would have been different. Because you'd have kind of this power dynamic, kind of like you have with Jim Schwartz, where Jim Schwartz actually fell in and kind of worked because Kevin was like, I don't really want the defense. You coach the defense, I'll do the offense. Fine.
If you had that on the offensive side, I think that discussion would be more prevalent. I don't think Kevin will give up play calling because they hired Ken Dorsey.
I saw some other things coming out from Browns insiders that said, the Browns continue to view OC as like, a more administrative position as opposed to a game day play calling position. So all indications right now seem to me that he won't be giving up play calling.
The second point, though, I have here is that, okay, great stump. The play calling was great, but the execution wasn't there. Well, that's a pretty big red flag because who's teaching them to execute?
How do we get that part right?
You can call the best plays in the world, but if the team can't execute them, that's a huge problem.
[00:33:59] Speaker C: Well, it's funny to me that comment alone, did you throw yourself under the bus a little bit? Because one of the groups that didn't execute very well all season long was the running, running base.
Is that why you're gone?
[00:34:11] Speaker B: But I just think that's part of the coaching gig, right? You have to coach your players to execute in all situations. And you can't just say, well, I called the right play. You guys screwed it up. Okay?
Who are the players accountable to? Who's teaching them to execute and why is it not being done right?
[00:34:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I get it. I see both sides of that argument because I agree with you. Ultimately, everything falls on the coaches. But these guys are paid millions of dollars to do one thing. So if he calls a play where a guy's wide open and that tight end or that receiver or that running back drops the ball, that guy's paid to do that.
[00:34:47] Speaker B: Drops are one thing, but I think execution goes down far more than that. Executions? Linemen?
[00:34:54] Speaker C: Well, yeah. How many pre snap penalties have we had under again? We've grown to respect Kevin Stefanski on this show, and we have said that we're here for the extension where I.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: Know we hit, whatever, five different quarterbacks in this room all year, but how many times did the quarterback turn one way and the running backs go another way? All those things come down to execution. And to your point, the players ultimately are responsible for it. But look, there's 31 other teams that do this every day, and they get it right. So why can't we?
[00:35:27] Speaker C: How many times a game do we run an end around?
How many times does it work?
[00:35:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Great place.
[00:35:33] Speaker C: I'm pretty sure. I'm not going to lie. So that's my biggest knock on Kevin Stefanski is that we have to run the patented Kevin Stefanski end around at least once or twice.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: Well, just the difficulty of the place.
[00:35:44] Speaker C: In general, I'm just saying flickers. I'm talking about this end around and the reason why this is my biggest knock on Kevin Stefanski is because we kept track all year long. You know how many times it actually worked? And I'm talking ten plus yards. I don't count eight yards on an end around as a positive play because.
Right. So I'm talking ten plus yards.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: I can't think of one time that.
[00:36:06] Speaker C: It really, it was twice all season long and we probably ran about 27 of them.
[00:36:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:11] Speaker C: So what are we doing?
[00:36:13] Speaker B: I just think that's a huge red.
[00:36:15] Speaker C: Flag that, and none of them went for like touchdowns. They went for the longest one, went for like 17 yards.
[00:36:20] Speaker B: If in the building, we're admitting that our execution is poor. That's a huge red flag to me. And that to me, the way that you fix execution with million dollar athletes is they have to be coached.
[00:36:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Bone, any thoughts on play calling? Who's going to be play calling?
[00:36:34] Speaker D: I think Stefancy is going to keep it. But you bring in Ken Dorsey. Hopefully that was their top guy. I don't know who was, but hopefully he just brings a new perspective on play calling with Kevin as they plan for the week and help develop play sheets and new plays or whatever the offensive schemes he's going to be bringing to the table. So I think they were just looking for a new face, I guess. I don't.
[00:36:55] Speaker C: By all accounts, it was their top mean.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: I think the important thing is that can Stefanski and Ken Dorsey now craft an offense for Deshaun Watson? Well, not Kevin Stefanski's offense, an offense for Deshaun Watson.
[00:37:10] Speaker C: And to that point, that was my thoughts on this whole thing is I think that's why they chose Ken Dorsey was because he has a history of being able to work really well with quarterbacks and kind of get the most out of their skill set. And so to me, I agree that what, what this whole process has said to me is that Kevin Stefanski had some self awareness, took a step back and said, what I'm doing with Deshaun Watson is not necessarily working the way we want it to. Let me bring in somebody else that has a reputation of being able to work with these guys, being able to work the offense around these guys and complement their skills and let's marry that all together and see what we can come up with.
So that's, to me why they brought Ken Dorsey in. I don't know that he'll give up play calling. I think it's still going to be Kevin calling the plays, and I think Ken Dorsey will be up in the booth slamming.
[00:38:09] Speaker B: Mean, I don't know what the death grip is on this play calling is for Stefanski. I don't know why it wouldn't hurt to let your OC call the plays and you're still on the headset. You can overrule them at any time.
[00:38:20] Speaker C: So I didn't even mention, I don't.
[00:38:21] Speaker B: Want to go with that. Let's do this.
[00:38:22] Speaker C: I didn't even mention this in one of those interviews that stump did. He said something that was really interesting, and he was talking about the run game and how the fans constantly call for more runs. And he said that absolutely affects Kevin Stefanski. Like, it wears him down over time, and eventually he calls more runs. He said in certain situations, the fans cheering run the ball in the crowd caused Kevin Stefanski to call a run play.
And so to like, I wish you.
[00:38:52] Speaker B: Wouldn'T have told me.
[00:38:55] Speaker C: So I didn't.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: Hear that, and I wish you wouldn't.
[00:38:57] Speaker C: Have said, is Kevin Stefanski. I don't think he said Kevin Stefanski specifically, like, it changed his mind. But he said that you feel that pressure and sometimes it helps to get a running play called for him is kind of how he framed it. But anyways, so basically he's a spineless coward. I don't know. You already hate Stefanski. Even though we said we respect him and we approve of his extension, you hate him again.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: But I don't hate him.
I don't know. He's the right long term fit here.
[00:39:31] Speaker C: But anyways, my thought was the pressure. How many years has it been that he's been here, that he's been told he needs to give up play calling? Four out of five, right, right. Is the pressure starting to get to him? And he's like, maybe I should give a play call. Maybe he's tired of fighting it. He's just tired. He's like, yeah, well, again, so I.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: Don'T know what the death grip is on it.
You can still be in charge of the offense. You run through the script with Ken each week and say, this is the 15 plays out the gate. You are in the headset and you're hearing them called as you go and you have the ultimate authority to Trump.
[00:40:06] Speaker C: That's my biggest thing.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: No, we're not going to do that here. We're going to do this. And from a strategy standpoint, whether or not we're going for it on fourth down, I would hope that those are collaborative discussions anyways, as opposed to just like, we're just waiting to see what Kevin says.
[00:40:19] Speaker C: No. And I think you nailed it on ahead. That's my big thing is just give up the play calling. And even if it's like 20 times a game, you're like, no, I want to run this. You still have that power because you're the head coach.
[00:40:30] Speaker B: And if you're on the same page with your OC, the play calling should be goddamn similar.
[00:40:34] Speaker C: Should be pretty close.
[00:40:35] Speaker B: How different is it? Like we're calling 43 trap.
[00:40:38] Speaker C: You guys are literally calling from the.
[00:40:39] Speaker B: Same playbook, calling 43 trap versus 46 trap. What are we doing here? How different is it? I don't know. Run through the script of plays and have him call play and you call play and see how many times you guys are totally separate and doing something totally different in asinine. Yeah, and maybe if you're Kevin Safanski and you're doing the wrong thing every time or the different thing every time, maybe you got to look inside yourself and say, why am I doing this? So different than that guy? He's the guy I hired to help me get this right.
[00:41:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Again, I don't know what the death grip is on the play calling, but it'll be interesting.
Let me just say, close this portion of the discussion out with this. I wouldn't be surprised either way whether he gave it up or not because I could see, as far as Kevin goes, arguments for both sides.
[00:41:26] Speaker B: Here's my prediction. He's not going to give this up until he has to, which would be Deshaun has another bad start to the year or Deshaun looks bad all next year and we're going into the following year saying the offense was terrible all year long.
Until it comes down to Kevin, this is your job or you're not going to work here anymore.
I don't think he gives it up.
[00:41:52] Speaker C: I hope the guy doesn't get there. Next up here, though, OBJ, our old budy OBJ had some things to say about his time in Cleveland on a recent podcast appearance. Among his comments were that the Giants sent him to Cleveland so that he couldn't shine and make them look bad.
The quote from the show was the Giants sent me off to Cleveland to die.
He also went on to explain that his father doesn't even have the ability to make the video that he tweeted out and kind of hinted at one of two things. Either someone else was pulling the strings when that all went out, aka maybe OBJ, or that he was just reposting something that he found online.
This guy just won't go away. This whole thing just won't go away. I'm bringing it up again, but, I mean, I found these comments interesting because that team, by all accounts coming into that season, was absolutely stacked on offense.
[00:42:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:50] Speaker C: And for whatever reason, we just couldn't make it. And I don't know. To me, OBJ has kind of proved to this point, I mean, what has he done since then? Nothing with anybody. I mean, he had a kind of a resurgent year with the Rams.
[00:43:04] Speaker B: Yeah, he played well for the Rams.
[00:43:06] Speaker C: But he was still, like their third option. He wasn't even like a premier pass catcher at that point.
[00:43:11] Speaker B: Right. And he didn't really do anything until towards the end of the year. I mean, he got a couple of touchdowns.
[00:43:16] Speaker C: He had a good, like four games, like end of the season into the playoffs, and then he got hurt.
[00:43:22] Speaker B: To.
[00:43:22] Speaker C: That point this year with the Ravens, he didn't do anything.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: I thought it was fascinating the way the Ravens used to. I was trying to think to myself, like, what went into these contract discussions with Odell Beckham and the Ravens? Because there was a big deal when they brought him in. They were like, this is going to help Lamar. It's going to help his development.
[00:43:37] Speaker C: He's got a huge target now, ain't helped nothing.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: And he hardly played except for in the most critical moments of five games, and we didn't even see him in the AFC championship until the last three minutes of the fourth quarter.
And then he had like three catches in a row. And I'm like, why didn't you play this guy all game long?
[00:44:01] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, you were doing nothing but throwing the ball in.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: Was his contract on the presumption that I basically have like 100 plays in me this year? Use them wisely?
[00:44:14] Speaker C: Is that what he told them?
[00:44:16] Speaker B: I can't see any other way. I can't really hold up. They wouldn't have used him so much more than they did. He was clearly the best receiver on their team when he was on the field, but he hardly played at all. Look, as far as Odell Beckham's time here in Cleveland, to your point, like, yeah, on paper this team should have been stacked. But look, it was just not a good fit from the beginning. This was the Kevin Stuffaganski three tight end offense and you had baker throwing touchdowns to tight ends that aren't in the NFL anymore.
It was never a vertical downfield passing game to wide receivers. It was never going to be under the way that was called.
[00:44:55] Speaker C: My biggest problem with this whole kind of rant that he went on was that he said, the Giant. He used the quote, the Giants sent me off to Cleveland to die. Which was kind of a narrative that had already been thrown out there like a hundred times by every news outlet everywhere except for in Cleveland, because we don't believe that's what you come to Cleveland to. But. And even some of them here probably said the same. It's just. It was just recycled crap that. Okay, fun fact, though, fun fact. Right after this. I don't know if you saw when the Ravens lost a fake account for Odell, Beckham Jr's dad tweeted out, free odell and like, every major news outlet thought he was the real guy and picked it up and was like, oBJ's dad tweeted this out, throwing Lamar under the bus. They all had to write retractions. It was fantastic.
[00:45:47] Speaker B: Who even wants OBJ anymore?
[00:45:49] Speaker C: That's my point is what an OD time to say. Like, if you say this right, when you're fresh out of Cleveland and you're like, you're still a big name because people think you still got some in the tank, like, okay, but you're saying this now, later when you haven't done anything.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: The guy was one of those guys that thought he still had play in the tank, but he just doesn't. He doesn't.
[00:46:08] Speaker C: He really doesn't.
[00:46:09] Speaker B: He's washed.
He's not going to go anywhere else and do it.
[00:46:13] Speaker C: Like, if you're telling me he's your 3rd, fourth option, okay, he's probably pretty decent, but he's your 1st, second option, you're in trouble.
[00:46:19] Speaker B: He had a chance in that AFC championship game when they were down 17 to ten and there was the ball down the sideline that he missed in the end zone. He had the chance to make an Odell circus catch, and I was thinking like, maybe this is the moment they were waiting for. Owe x.
[00:46:36] Speaker C: No.
[00:46:36] Speaker B: And he just whipped on it. So it's like, what are you good for nothing?
[00:46:42] Speaker C: And then next up here, Deshaun Watson came out publicly during an interview of his own to campaign for the Browns to bring t Higgins to Cleveland. So, first of all, let me just read you a couple of the quotes from this one of them, and I'll do a hand gesture here that you can't see unless you're watching on YouTube. But he said, aba ain't afraid to, you know what I'm saying?
[00:47:04] Speaker B: Pay the man.
[00:47:05] Speaker C: Yeah. So that one was kind of OD coming from our $230,000,000 quarterback that's not really supposed to throw money in people's faces because of the circumstances around his contract.
But anyways, he went on to say, you're going to get the ball. We want to pass the ball. That's what we're going to do. We're going to pass a lot. The Cleveland Browns are going to take care of you. So it's kind of a big deal that, again, the $230,000,000 QB publicly advocated for a specific player, but didn't he do some of this last year and we didn't get the guy that he wanted?
[00:47:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Deandre.
[00:47:40] Speaker C: Yeah. So I'm just wondering if this is going to happen again, if this is setting up for more drama with the quarterback, or if we should even look too far into this at all.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Look, I know T Higgins is a name, but t Higgins is a name because he's in a very crowded wide receiver group. That's very good.
[00:48:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: If you take t Higgins and put him on the Browns, I just don't know how much that elevates the overall group.
[00:48:13] Speaker D: He's a bigger bodied receiver, isn't he?
[00:48:15] Speaker B: Is he still going to be the t Higgins that is in, like, on this team?
I don't know.
[00:48:22] Speaker C: When the offenses are completely different, like Joe Burrow style.
[00:48:26] Speaker B: Not the same as nothing about that. Seems like this is like you could just plug and play a guy like t Higgins and he's going to be a 1500 yard receiver here.
I don't know. He's going to cost a lot of money. You don't have a lot of cap room. You're eating up most of it.
[00:48:42] Speaker C: Well, I wonder if he's mentioning Aba and afraid to pay people. Is he telling us that? We've been talking about it for a while. How much of his next year's salary is going to be converted to a signing bonus?
[00:48:53] Speaker B: They're going to have to convert most of it to a signing bonus.
[00:48:56] Speaker C: Does he know that that's coming and that's how we're going to pay players is my thought.
[00:49:01] Speaker B: Possibly. But if they convert all $60 million of his cap hit this year and.
[00:49:04] Speaker C: Then give it to t Higgins.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: $34 million a year to t Higgins.
[00:49:08] Speaker C: We'Re still in trouble.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: I don't know. Look, I'm all for bringing more talent, more receivers to this team, because I think that became apparent as the season wore on, as know hit our team and Amari was down and Cedric was down, and we got into the playoffs and didn't have any receivers besides David Bell.
But I just like, do we need t Higgins?
[00:49:32] Speaker C: Or like.
[00:49:33] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:49:34] Speaker C: I don't know, either.
[00:49:35] Speaker B: Could you bring in a productive receiver that doesn't cost what t Higgins is going to cost?
[00:49:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. I think we have to let the market play out a little bit, too, and just see where's t Higgins going to land? Because, to your point, if he's going to land at the top tier, the top, top tier, well, he ain't coming.
[00:49:50] Speaker B: That's what I saw was a number that it would take like 74 million in a contract to get him. So that's what. I don't know, 16 million a year or something for like a four year deal or 18 million a year or whatever.
[00:49:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know.
[00:50:02] Speaker D: And the Browns have a history of not paying receivers that, yeah, hasn't happened.
[00:50:07] Speaker C: My rebuttal to that is it does seem every move they've made so far since the end of the season points to exactly what they did to the defense last year. They're trying to do it to the offense this year and revamp the offense and make it give us more firepower.
[00:50:24] Speaker B: Again, I'm all for that.
T Higgins, to me, isn't the name, like Stefan Diggs when Stefan Diggs was like a free agent, right? Like, if Justin Jefferson out there and you were like, let's pay this guy $80 million. Okay, well, and that's why I was.
[00:50:38] Speaker C: Saying you got to let the market play out a little bit, because you don't pay them like Diggs. You pay them like t Higgins. Right? You don't pay them like a Diggs. You pay them like a Higgs.
[00:50:52] Speaker B: I just think t Higgins is a beneficiary of the fact that they're in an offense that requires Joe Burrow to throw for 5300 yards a year. Yeah, that's the offense. It's Joe Burrow throwing 80% of the time. That's the offense.
[00:51:05] Speaker C: And then they tell us that Joe Mixon is really good, even though he's not. And he rushes for 700 yards, he.
[00:51:10] Speaker B: Gets 13 carries a game and whatever, but their whole offense is just aired out in vertical passing game.
[00:51:16] Speaker C: Yeah, we saw it come to a screeching halt when Joe Burrow wasn't out there this year.
[00:51:21] Speaker B: They were still okay.
[00:51:22] Speaker C: They had a few good games with Jake Browning after that.
[00:51:26] Speaker B: I just don't know. Is he the name? We've been waiting like, I'm all for going out and making a splash to get a great receiver, but maybe it's just my bias against Cincinnati that I don't like t. Higgins.
[00:51:37] Speaker C: You probably are just feeling burned on receivers, because think about any of the receivers we've paid, any decision.
He's the only one that's worked out. And it was a little different because we didn't get him in free agency. It was a.
I don't. As far as free agency goes, I can't remember any great free agencies besides maybe Jarvis Landry and even him. He had a couple good years, and I know he's a fan favorite.
[00:52:00] Speaker B: Jarvis was great when he was.
[00:52:02] Speaker C: He's a great leader.
[00:52:03] Speaker B: Young, and he was here in his first couple years.
[00:52:06] Speaker C: Those last few years. People don't like to say it just because Jarvis is such a fan favorite, and he was a great leader in a locker room. But Jarvis didn't have.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: He was out of gas. That's why he didn't last in New Orleans.
[00:52:17] Speaker C: His last couple of years were not good.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: No, he was out of gas, and that happens. These guys get to be 30, 31 years old, and they're just not the same anymore. Very few of these guys are that kind of special, that they can keep playing at that same level into their mid 30s.
[00:52:33] Speaker C: You're probably burned on wide receivers right now, though. It's probably what's happening.
Odell was the other mean.
[00:52:41] Speaker B: He burned us. The mean. It might honestly just be the fact that he's in Cincinnati that I just, like, hate.
[00:52:47] Speaker C: That's true, too. We have this thing in the back.
[00:52:49] Speaker B: Of our heads that tell us maybe t Higgins is Stefan Diggs, and I'm just overlooking it because he's in Cincinnati.
[00:52:54] Speaker D: He already lives in Ohio.
[00:52:55] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:52:56] Speaker C: Probably he wouldn't have to move far.
[00:52:59] Speaker D: Well, I already live in Ohio.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: Might as well go to Cleveland. We do love Ohio. Ohio. Guys, Ken Dorsey played three games for us once.
[00:53:06] Speaker C: I know what the.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: We love, the higher I know what.
[00:53:07] Speaker D: The state, Cleveland alumni, Ken Dorsey.
[00:53:10] Speaker C: I know what the state tax rate is.
[00:53:12] Speaker B: He'll be on. The Browns.
[00:53:16] Speaker C: Know. Speaking of free agency, we will get to some free agency stuff in upcoming episodes and discuss kind of who fits with the Cleveland Browns, who they should go after those types of things. But for now, why don't we just go ahead and take a quick trip around the NFL?
All right, so let's recap the conference championship games. Let's start on the AFC side of things. Kansas City versus Baltimore. This game was close throughout, and odly enough, it was a defensive battle. I said it was going to be last week, and I kind of said it, not even being confident in myself, but that's what ended up happening. It was defensive battle.
[00:54:02] Speaker B: I thought there'd be more points scored for sure.
[00:54:04] Speaker C: Yeah. And Patrick Mahomes now has no problem winning road playoff games, apparently because the Chiefs, he's the goat.
They went into Baltimore and they won 17 to ten.
So, yeah, I mean, Lamar Jackson here, I don't know. It was OD and Lamar is starting to get a reputation as kind of choking in the playoffs, and this did not help at all.
[00:54:28] Speaker B: He hasn't won a lot in the.
[00:54:29] Speaker C: Playoffs, and on top of it, he threw a fit on the sideline because the offense couldn't get anything going.
It's kind of like we talked about last week. You talked it up a lot last week. You said, how do you stop Lamar? How do you do it, Kenny?
[00:54:42] Speaker B: You pressure him, make him uncomfortable, and then you lock down his receivers. I mean, there's nothing else to do.
[00:54:48] Speaker C: It's just defensive coaching one on one. Right. You do it to any quarterback. He's human.
[00:54:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And make him uncomfortable in the pocket. And he can't.
[00:54:54] Speaker D: They didn't let him scramble.
[00:54:56] Speaker C: No, not at all.
That goes back to what I said is he didn't have a terrible day passing. His percentage was a little low, but he didn't have a terrible day passing.
[00:55:05] Speaker B: Well, because they ran the ball six times. I mean, he threw the ball a.
[00:55:08] Speaker C: Ton, but I'm just saying, I've said all along, if you could take his legs completely away, he's going to have a tough time winning games through the air. And he has burned teams on that. He's thrown for 300 plus yards multiple times and just torched teams.
[00:55:23] Speaker B: But it's because overall, but it's because of the dual threat and they're a power run team. I mean, the fact that they just totally relied on Lamar, they literally pulled.
[00:55:31] Speaker C: A Kevin Stefanski in this. We're going to air it out.
[00:55:34] Speaker B: They just did everything that they don't normally one of.
[00:55:37] Speaker C: They have one of the best rushing attacks in the game and they just gone.
[00:55:41] Speaker B: I wonder if some of this, too was. Did you see who was in the stands for this game?
[00:55:45] Speaker C: No.
[00:55:46] Speaker B: Brother Jim. I wonder if some of this was like John trying to show off, like, to his brother who's about to go start an air raid out in Los Angeles.
[00:55:54] Speaker C: We could throw it, too.
[00:55:54] Speaker B: We're going toss it around because we're in the AFC.
[00:55:56] Speaker C: Actually, I think Kansas City was in.
[00:56:00] Speaker D: Their head the entire game.
[00:56:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:02] Speaker C: Oh, it all started pregame. Did you see Justin Tucker? Which, to be fair, I'm actually on the side as much as, you know, watching players kind of get into it. I think it's just annoying when players get into it pregame. But Justin Tucker just came and set up his kicks, like, literally right in the middle of their drills. And then he acted like he was the victim. He was like, I'm just trying to kick, but in case anyone didn't see it.
[00:56:30] Speaker D: So Kansas City was already there because I just saw mid video. So I'm like, did Kansas City show up?
[00:56:36] Speaker C: He was already kicked already there.
[00:56:37] Speaker B: It was their side of the practice.
[00:56:39] Speaker C: Yeah, they weren't already there, but it was their side of the practice field, and it was right where they run drills every single week, getting ready for a game. So to be fair, Justin Tucker, he knows this stuff. Justin Tucker has been around for like 40 years. He knows this stuff.
He set up right where their drill was going to be. And when they came out, first, Patrick Mahomes was tossing it out of the way. And then Travis Kelsey got in on it.
[00:57:02] Speaker D: He was like, the kicking, he's.
[00:57:03] Speaker C: Yeah, the kicking tee. He was like, look, leave my quarterback alone. And started tossing his helmet out of the way, his kicking tee, the footballs, everything.
[00:57:10] Speaker B: It was mildly amusing.
[00:57:12] Speaker D: It was funny. I was cracking up.
[00:57:16] Speaker C: I said it was annoying. But it also is funny to watch, I will give you that. And they were kind of jawing back and forth. And then I liked at the end when Justin Tucker was like, whatever, I'm setting up, right, kid? As soon as he turned his back, Patrick Mahomes picked up the kicking tee and tossed it out the back of the end zone. Was like, nope. I mean, look, Justin Tucker, too. Every time it happened, he turned around and acted like he was just stretching, like nothing was going on.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: I'm like, I do get that as a kicker, you have only so many chances to kick in the stadium, especially on game day, because you're getting ready and you want to see what the wind is doing and stuff. It's a playoff, so you got to be dialed in. But the fact is, he was setting up inside at the five yard line.
[00:57:56] Speaker C: He was on the goal line.
[00:57:57] Speaker B: Yeah, that was where you were.
[00:57:58] Speaker C: It was literally, like, on the goal line.
[00:58:00] Speaker B: So if you want to see what the wind's doing to the ball, if you went and set up on the 25 or the 30 and we're just kicking to the net, like, nobody would even. No, you wouldn't be in anybody's way.
[00:58:07] Speaker C: That's why it was an issue to.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: Be in the way.
[00:58:11] Speaker C: Yeah, he was just doing it to be a dick, but I like that. To your point, bone, Travis Kelsey came kind of Patrick Mahomes aid, and they were both just. They kind of ganged up on.
I mean, you guys are going after a kicker, but they ganged up on Justin Tucker. And from that point forward, it was like, all they were. They were very good at antagonizing and making the Ravens be the ones to retaliate and get the penalties.
[00:58:41] Speaker B: I thought that up until there was a point in the middle of the third or the end of the third quarter when they had the Kansas City, they called the intentional offsides, and Roquan lit that guy up. There was also on the back of a no call or something. And Baltimore at that point was, like, lit fuse. And I felt like, like, started playing at that moment, but to your, like, for the first three quarters of the game, they were just totally in their head. Up until they got so pissed off that they were getting calls and they were losing. They were like, the fuck? We're at home. We're getting, like, all of a sudden, it seemed like they were hitting people to injure them. I was like, this game is nasty.
[00:59:22] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know if you saw, too in the middle. I don't know what quarter it was, but Travis Kelsey, when he was drawing back and forth with them, and they finally came and shoved him or whatever they did, and he got the penalty, he just started laughing. He's like, yeah, that's what it was. That's what was happening. Baltimore was being pushed around and being manhandled mentally.
[00:59:41] Speaker B: I have a hot take on Travis Kelsey real quick. I don't know if anybody else noticed this or not.
[00:59:46] Speaker C: Let's hear it.
[00:59:47] Speaker B: It might just be just the fact that the NFL season is long. It's hard on your body, but long. And, like, Travis Kelsey looks like he got soft. Like, he met Taylor, and he's, like, on the edge of retirement now. He used to be this jacked dude.
[01:00:02] Speaker C: And I'm like, I don't know.
[01:00:03] Speaker B: I'm, like, looking at this guy's arms, and I'm like, what happened to you?
[01:00:06] Speaker C: Maybe a little bit, but I don't know. Travis Kelsey, a little belly going.
[01:00:09] Speaker B: I'm like, maybe Taylor's just gonna make.
[01:00:10] Speaker C: A good gumbo at no. I feel like Travis Kelsey always kind of looks like that towards the end of the less.
[01:00:16] Speaker D: A little less reps on the squat rack or something.
[01:00:20] Speaker C: I think he always comes into the season somewhat lean, but I've actually had this thought in past playoffs as well. Like, what happened to Travis Kelsey?
He's always had kind of a chubby face, and he was, like, still a.
[01:00:33] Speaker B: Tremendous ass because you saw the catches he made in that game, and it was ridiculous. But I was just, like, just physically looking at him. I'm like, how do you even do your.
[01:00:41] Speaker C: To your point about him having a ridiculous game? I do want to point out a couple of things here. The first is Travis Kelsey has officially passed Jerry Rice for the most receptions in postseason history, which is insane given the fact that he probably still has, like, three or four years left in him.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: Helps when you go every year.
[01:00:56] Speaker C: Yeah.
And I will say this, it was incredibly sweet to see a guy that grew up a Browns fan and watched his team get moved to Baltimore catch all eleven targets for 116 yards in a touchdown to keep the Ravens from going to the Super Bowl.
[01:01:13] Speaker B: I just wish they leaned into that a little more. I know Jason's always wearing his Cleveland Heights t shirts.
[01:01:18] Speaker C: Well, they can't right now because Taylor Swift.
[01:01:20] Speaker B: I know, but I just wish that the Kelsey brothers leaned into that more, that they're from Ohio and from GK and Jake Paul.
[01:01:28] Speaker D: I feel like they're all about Cleveland.
[01:01:31] Speaker C: Their podcast is new heights, or whatever it is they do.
Not that this is a plug for that. Listen to burning sportscast is greater than new heights.
[01:01:41] Speaker B: If I was a professional athlete, I would be, like, repping Cleveland all the time, even if I was in fucking New Orleans.
[01:01:46] Speaker C: I think there's probably some barriers as far as Travis Kelsey plays for Brown, but I bet you'll actually see Jason Kelsey start wearing more, like, maybe not necessarily brown stuff, but just Cleveland stuff in general now that he's retired.
[01:02:00] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe it'll show more like Indians games and stuff.
[01:02:02] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:02:03] Speaker D: They probably do a lot of stuff we don't even realize for their local community.
[01:02:07] Speaker C: They have charities back in heights. Yeah, but anyways, the Super bowl numbers are going to be insane this year because the entire swifty demographic is now tuning in like never before.
[01:02:20] Speaker B: I really wasn't thinking about this, and this was, like, the whole part of the narrative. This week is the game was fixed because they wanted Taylor Swift to be at the Super bowl because it's going to increase ratings and revenue. And I'm just like, is it really, like.
[01:02:34] Speaker D: I don't, was it fixed the last four years?
They're just really good.
[01:02:40] Speaker C: Well, I don't know about fixed, but I'm just saying. I'm not even saying this as part of a conspiracy. I'm just saying.
[01:02:45] Speaker B: But it turns out it's true. They've sold more jerseys and stuff.
[01:02:49] Speaker C: You saw it in all of Travis Kelsey's numbers, across social media, across jersey sales, across everything. The numbers in Kansas City's games have skyrocketed and they were already one of the highest rated teams as far as tv numbers goes. And they've gone up dramatically. And it's because when you think of the NFL, what are the few demographics that they don't really get? One of them is like, girls.
[01:03:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:03:14] Speaker C: Latin age girls.
And another one, honestly, is like our wives, like, middle aged women.
[01:03:22] Speaker B: Just call our wives middle aged women.
[01:03:25] Speaker D: They are.
[01:03:28] Speaker C: This is the definition now.
[01:03:30] Speaker B: Are we middle aged now 34?
[01:03:33] Speaker C: Yeah, we are. My wife's a cougar, so it is what it is. But middle aged. Yeah.
[01:03:39] Speaker B: When did we get old?
[01:03:40] Speaker C: I don't know. But anyways, yeah. So that's the demographics that the NFL has never really captured as far as, like, totally.
And now they're tuning in in the.
[01:03:54] Speaker B: Old generation of swifties. Going to be killer Kansas City Chiefs fans.
[01:03:57] Speaker D: You got swifties and then you got usher at halftime this year.
[01:03:59] Speaker C: So it's going to be middle aged.
[01:04:00] Speaker D: Women galore right there.
[01:04:02] Speaker C: So many middle aged women will be watching the Super bowl this year.
[01:04:06] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:04:08] Speaker C: Over under.
[01:04:09] Speaker B: Count me in as one of those middle aged women on stage. Like, yeah, over under.
[01:04:20] Speaker C: For how long before Usher loses his shirt?
[01:04:23] Speaker B: I mean, I hope it's at the first 10 seconds.
[01:04:24] Speaker D: Does he still got it?
[01:04:25] Speaker B: He still has it, man.
[01:04:26] Speaker C: I think Usher way more jacked than Jason drive.
[01:04:29] Speaker B: Shelby.
[01:04:29] Speaker C: I think Usher comes out shirtless.
[01:04:31] Speaker B: He almost has to, or at least in a sheer, like a see through top.
[01:04:34] Speaker D: For sure.
[01:04:35] Speaker C: You remember you got it bad. Like, this is the fishnet shirt. Yeah.
[01:04:38] Speaker B: It's got to be like one of, like a Russell Brand t shirt.
[01:04:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it comes out shirtless. Anyways, I don't know how we got onto that topic, but let's be warm in Las Vegas. Let's go to the other side of the league here, the NFC. Detroit versus San Francisco. The 49 ers won this game in a massive comeback, 34 to 31. It was absolutely heartbreaking loss for the Lions. I feel so bad for my dad. I was telling my wife, I said, I hope he didn't go to sleep at halftime because he would have woke.
[01:05:07] Speaker B: Up, missed the game that day.
[01:05:09] Speaker C: But here's the deal. The Lions were up. By all accounts, it looked like this game was over.
But the 49 ers didn't just come back. They were up at one point in the second half, 34 to 24.
A couple of crazy things happened in the second half. There was a crazy catch by Brandon ayuk.
[01:05:28] Speaker B: That, to me, was ridiculous. Was the momentum change when that ball.
[01:05:31] Speaker C: Bounced off of that and the fumble by the Lions that helped set things.
[01:05:36] Speaker B: Up for them inside of, like, the red zone.
[01:05:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:05:39] Speaker D: The Lions in that third quarter, man, had so many opportunities to turn the tide back to them, like, just drop passes.
[01:05:47] Speaker B: That guy just picked that ball off. I mean, jeez.
[01:05:50] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:05:50] Speaker D: Totally missed interception. I feel like there was like a chance that you had on a punt to down them at the one, and the dude stepped in the end zone and it was just like.
[01:05:58] Speaker B: It was like.
It was like all the things that have played the Lions for you that were used to watching them just get on.
[01:06:04] Speaker C: It all happened in the second half.
[01:06:06] Speaker B: In the third quarter.
[01:06:07] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It was like they were on the precipice and the football gods were like, I don't think so.
[01:06:14] Speaker B: Still, the Lions.
[01:06:15] Speaker D: Reynolds on that fourth down, missing that.
[01:06:18] Speaker C: I blame Eminem, actually, because at halftime, he was flipping everybody off. He's like, yeah, that's right. We're Detroit. And then they come out and bad things happen. But no, people today, after the game yesterday, I don't know if you guys saw this. People were absolutely shitting on Dan Campbell. Yeah.
[01:06:35] Speaker B: You can't shit on this season. Make it to the NFC championship game with the Lions. It's not. I mean, look, a couple questionable calls.
[01:06:43] Speaker C: In this game, he decided not to kick field goals twice when they were in the red zone. It did end up being the difference in the game. But, I mean, he was asked about, he said he doesn't regret it, and I would actually agree with him.
[01:06:53] Speaker B: That's how he's coached all year.
[01:06:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it's right. This is what got you here. Why would you go away from it? Know, we argue with whether Kevin Stefanski should take points here or there or whenever.
A lot of. Of times it hasn't worked out for kids. Kevin Stefanski. So if he's in the same position, I'm probably like, kick the field goal.
[01:07:09] Speaker B: I saw him getting flak for not going forward before the half and in my mind I'm like, you can go 24/7 I'll take twenty four seven at halftime any day of the week over going in 21 seven. They get the ball at halftime.
[01:07:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. So I just don't understand this. Yeah. Obviously, hindsight being 2020, all things equal, you get those two field goals, you win the game.
[01:07:31] Speaker B: He probably should have kicked one of those at some point.
The reality of the game and being the NFC championship should have probably weighed in on like, we're in the red zone. This is a chip shot. We should take the.
[01:07:45] Speaker C: But again, if you're Dan Campbell, you've coached this way the entire year.
[01:07:49] Speaker B: I agree.
[01:07:49] Speaker C: Do you go against it?
[01:07:50] Speaker B: Look, I'm not saying fair. I'm just saying if it was me, I would have done at least one. I would have kicked one of those field goals.
But yeah, that's how he's coached all year long. The biggest problem was like we just talked about all the punt on the end zone where they stepped in the end zone, Reynolds dropping the ball on fourth down.
[01:08:07] Speaker C: Literally everything that could possibly face with.
[01:08:09] Speaker B: An interception and you hand it basically to Brandon Yuk first.
It was Murphy's law.
[01:08:18] Speaker C: And I will say this to Brandon Ayuk's credit on that wild catch.
[01:08:23] Speaker D: He tracked that ball.
[01:08:24] Speaker C: Yeah, he went up for it, but he also, I think, had the wherewithal to say, I need to put my hand in front of the DB's face to at least, well, the ball still.
[01:08:33] Speaker B: Hit him in the so.
[01:08:34] Speaker C: Well, no, but I'm saying to block out where it's coming from. He went up for the catch, but he also was like full hands to the face of the defender and then it hit the defender in the face. And to your point, Boney, he was able to track the ball the entire way and say, okay, wild catch. That was insane.
[01:08:50] Speaker B: I never. Athletic. Brandon ie is one of those names that comes up in fantasy every year and I'm always like watching that. I was like, wow, this guy really is a stud.
[01:09:00] Speaker C: Yeah, but criticism of Dan Campbell, unfair. He got you guys all the way to the NFC championship.
[01:09:07] Speaker B: Great season for that. Fanbit.
[01:09:10] Speaker C: Phenomenal.
[01:09:10] Speaker B: If we got to the AFC championship.
[01:09:11] Speaker C: Game, they have a lot of young pieces, them and Jared Goff. It was just announced right after the game that they're going to start extension talks with Jared Goff.
[01:09:20] Speaker B: Would I be devastated if we lost the AFC championship game this weekend as the Browns? Yes. Would I be like that was a bad season. Would I want anyone for the Super bowl?
[01:09:31] Speaker C: Maybe if we were in the exact same situation right after the game. I may be super pissed at Kevin Stefanski and be blaming him, but as soon as I took a few minutes to reevaluate things, I'd have been like, guys, that was fucking wild.
[01:09:44] Speaker B: I also think it's different, too, because Dean Campbell is just a different beast. I mean, Dean, he's been talking about.
[01:09:48] Speaker C: Bite kneecaps off, started over there, built that culture. RG three got him. I don't know if you saw that. RG three tweeted out. He's like, sometimes biting kneecaps off means kicking a field goal.
True, but I'm just saying he's aggressive. He's uber aggressive. That's how he's always coached, and it's done great things for him this year. So I don't really understand the flak that he got. The most heartbreaking thing for the Lions was after the game. I don't know if you saw in the post game press conference, he told the players, he said, look, guys, I'm not going to lie to you. This might have been our chance.
[01:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah. He was very real and said, this isn't a guarantee that you get here every year, even if you're a good team, you think about all the things that go into the luck of a few balls bouncing your way that change the outcome of a game. A call here and there, injuries, whether or not they stack up, who gets hurt.
You could have ten injuries in your team, but if Nick Chubb is still healthy, hell, you got a chance.
Nick Chubb goes down a week, too. We're pretty effed the whole season. You can look back and you go like, all these things went right.
You can't just replicate that the next year.
[01:10:55] Speaker C: No.
[01:10:56] Speaker B: Which is the truth. Now, to be fair, they have a lot of young pieces in place.
[01:10:59] Speaker C: I'm sure they're going to them and the Browns are going to be the two that are picked. I guarantee it. Not making it back to the playoffs and get better.
[01:11:08] Speaker B: They have a few fundamental problems. That team give up a lot of passing yards this year. They got to fix that secondary a bit.
They have some weaknesses there, but by and large, they're a good football team. And at the end of the day, one team wins the Super bowl every year. So 31 other cities are disappointed every year.
[01:11:25] Speaker C: Right. You're in the same boat as the rest of them.
[01:11:26] Speaker B: Now, I do want to just take issue. As we were talking last week, I got to bring this back up because we were talking last week about Jared Goff, and you were like, yeah, nothing was really expected. Jared Goff didn't have any expectations. Jared Goff was the first damn overall pick in the draft. He was the first overall pick in the draft. And yeah, his rookie season, he lost the first seven games that they started.
[01:11:45] Speaker C: You're misquoting me.
[01:11:46] Speaker B: He didn't play the whole season, but you were like, what was your quote?
[01:11:51] Speaker C: No, I said after he came in and didn't produce from that point forward.
[01:11:56] Speaker B: Right.
[01:11:56] Speaker C: He was never.
[01:11:57] Speaker B: What I'm taking issue. Didn't produce. The first year that he started, 3800 yards, 28 touchdowns, seven interceptions. The second year, 4600 yards, 32 touchdowns, twelve interceptions. The next year, 4600 yards, 22 touchdowns, 16 interceptions. The guy produced the fuck out of his business.
[01:12:13] Speaker C: And by produce, he was good.
[01:12:15] Speaker B: He was a two time Pro Bowler.
[01:12:17] Speaker C: In four years, by produce, if you listen to me, I meant he didn't win.
[01:12:22] Speaker B: They did win. They went to the Super bowl on like the second year.
[01:12:26] Speaker C: Besides that, he's through for a boatload.
[01:12:28] Speaker B: Of yards and touchdowns. His quarterback rating was almost always 100 or better.
[01:12:32] Speaker C: Just saying. He's never been viewed as an elite quarterback.
[01:12:36] Speaker B: His numbers in Detroit don't even.
[01:12:39] Speaker C: And I'm not the one that started the narrative. I just brought up a narrative.
[01:12:42] Speaker B: They don't even sniff numbers in LA.
[01:12:44] Speaker C: I just told you what the narrative was, and you're killing the messenger here for telling you exactly what everybody else said about it.
[01:12:52] Speaker B: How is it the narrative that you're unproductive when you. There were 4700 yards and 32 touchdowns?
[01:12:56] Speaker C: I don't know. I didn't.
[01:12:57] Speaker B: Whose narrative is that? He was a first round pick. He was a first overall pick.
[01:13:01] Speaker C: He was not.
[01:13:02] Speaker B: You are way overlooking Jared Goff and his production because he was good in LA.
[01:13:07] Speaker D: I said, okay, just like you overlooked Baker.
[01:13:10] Speaker B: Just like you overlooked Baker.
[01:13:11] Speaker C: Oh, God, don't even get us started.
[01:13:13] Speaker B: That's right.
[01:13:14] Speaker C: Here we freaking go.
[01:13:15] Speaker B: We would have won the Super bowl this year.
[01:13:17] Speaker C: All right, I'm moving on, guys. Wow. Anyways, 49 ers. So the matchup is set for the Super bowl. It's going to be Kansas City versus the 40.
[01:13:26] Speaker B: Baker haters are like Holocaust deniers.
[01:13:28] Speaker C: 49 ers open as a slight favorite for Super Bowl 58. So we'll see how that goes.
[01:13:33] Speaker B: But they didn't even win this year. Oh, wait, that's this season.
[01:13:37] Speaker C: That's this for next year. No, but anyway, so moving on. The Bengals have promoted QV's coach, Dan pitcher to the OC position. The only reason I'm even telling is because they're in our division. Not really big news, but the Steelers are interviewing ex Falcons head coach Arthur Smith for their offensive coordinator position. That's more of an interesting one.
And then next up here, the Bills promote interim offensive coordinator who took the spot of Ken Dorsey halfway through the season. Joe Brady. He is now their full time offensive coordinator. They took the interim title out, so he will be the offensive coordinator going forward. Jim Harbaugh is the new head coach of the LA Chargers. Kenny called this one. He said he was a good fit out there in LA and I'm sure that team up north punishment will be announced any day now since he's gone poor. Sure.
[01:14:28] Speaker B: Owner, whoever took over there, that's going.
[01:14:30] Speaker C: To be a rough time up there. But how do you guys think Harbaugh is going to do out in LA?
[01:14:35] Speaker D: He's going to win.
[01:14:36] Speaker B: I think he'll do great. I mean, the biggest thing he's got up against him is you're in a tough division and you're just a loaded AFC in general where the team is underperformed. But if he can make that team perform, they're going to be.
[01:14:48] Speaker C: We said it. Is that the piece that they're missing? Are they just missing the coach?
[01:14:51] Speaker B: Yeah. There's no reason they can't win eleven or twelve games next year.
[01:14:54] Speaker D: Seems like they're stacked at position skill.
[01:14:56] Speaker C: Yeah, especially on offense. It's crazy.
Look, I hate the hardballs, both of them, but I think he's probably going to win and win a lot of games.
[01:15:08] Speaker B: They're just good coaches.
[01:15:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:15:09] Speaker B: I do wonder. It feels like he got weirder when he went to Michigan. He was talking about like, let's have.
[01:15:15] Speaker C: Sleepovers with recruits, drinking warm milk before.
[01:15:18] Speaker B: Bed with his recruits. I don't know how that plays in enough of a locker room now if they're going to bring that stuff up.
[01:15:23] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:15:23] Speaker B: Is this the coach that was drinking milk with his players?
[01:15:27] Speaker D: Very wholesome.
[01:15:29] Speaker C: I don't know. And they came up with all kinds of weird stuff to get around the rules during COVID Well, they actually got caught and got in trouble for overscouting during COVID Yeah, whatever.
[01:15:39] Speaker B: Regardless, that family can coach football.
Look what he did to the 49 ers when they were out there. They were at force to be reckoned with.
[01:15:48] Speaker C: Yeah. And then next up here, the Panthers are hiring former offensive coordinator for the Bucks. Dave, was it Canalis?
[01:15:55] Speaker B: Canalis from Buccaneers?
[01:15:57] Speaker C: Yeah. So he's going to be their new head coach.
[01:15:59] Speaker B: He's a handsome guy. Young guy.
[01:16:01] Speaker C: Is he too handsome to fire?
[01:16:02] Speaker B: He kind of is.
[01:16:03] Speaker C: Oh, gosh. The Panthers might be in trouble here.
[01:16:05] Speaker B: He looks like he reminds me of what's from beauty and the beast. No one fights like Gaston. No one bites like Gaston. No one's neck is incredibly thick as Gaston. He kind of has that look like that jaw, and he's jacked up. You skipped the.
[01:16:20] Speaker C: No, I know. I'll get back to it. I did it on purpose.
The Panthers also hired Dan Morgan as their GM, so new faces there real quick.
[01:16:27] Speaker B: I do wonder if Dave Canals, if this plays into Baker's decision at all, to sign extension with Tampa Bay because he did well in that offense and.
[01:16:36] Speaker C: If he was with the Panthers before he could return.
True. I don't think you would want to go there, but the Raiders have dropped the interim tag from Antonio Pierce and hired him as their new head coach. They've also brought on Tom Telesco as their GM.
[01:16:50] Speaker B: Does it feel a little bit like Freddie kitchens hire like the public pressure.
[01:16:53] Speaker C: Was he did well down the stretch.
[01:16:55] Speaker B: Didn't have to hire him because he's Antonio Pearson. We liked what he did this year a little bit without doing like a full coaching search.
[01:17:02] Speaker C: I think he's probably a better coach than because he's played.
[01:17:05] Speaker B: Maybe, but I'm just saying they kind of skipped the whole thing. They were just like, well, everybody wants us to hire this guy, so let's just do it.
[01:17:13] Speaker C: Didn't seem like there's much of a search out there either.
[01:17:15] Speaker B: And the Raiders have a history of doing boneheaded things.
[01:17:18] Speaker D: That is a pretty good comparison right there. I didn't think of that, but it kind of fits.
[01:17:23] Speaker B: It was kind of just like he was kind of the guy, I mean.
[01:17:24] Speaker D: But he is a former player, which I think helps.
[01:17:26] Speaker C: That's what I was saying. I think he's probably a better coach because he's been around the game him so long, like in that sort of capacity.
Next up here, Tennessee Titans have hired Brian Callahan as their next head coach. As mentioned earlier, Bill is not expected to follow him, thank God, but he will be departing his current position and heading over to Tennessee. So big shoes to fill. Mike Vables, a big name.
[01:17:53] Speaker B: How big are his shoes?
[01:17:54] Speaker C: Mike Vables, they're probably at least like.
[01:17:58] Speaker B: It'S a pretty fast guy. Usually guys that are like fast don't have 15 shoes.
[01:18:02] Speaker C: That's why I have small feet.
Super fast.
More ways than one? Yes.
[01:18:09] Speaker B: Don't tell Vince McMahon.
[01:18:12] Speaker C: No. And then finally here on the coaching front, the Falcons, in a surprise move, have hired Rams defensive coordinator Raheem Morris as their next head coach, which means Bill Belichick, as we mentioned earlier in the be, he's out, at least in Atlanta. And the goat of coaches may be out for this upcoming season.
[01:18:36] Speaker B: I know why they did it, but think about Arthur Blank.
[01:18:42] Speaker C: How long am I thinking about him making this decision?
[01:18:45] Speaker B: Okay, I've got the greatest coach in our generation, maybe of all time, Raheem Morris.
Let's go with Raheem Morris.
[01:18:58] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I don't understand it. Just because even just for the fan base, imagine the fanfare if you hire.
[01:19:07] Speaker B: Mean. I get why they want to do it. Arthur Blank's got his boys out there in the front office and didn't want to give up control of everything, and that's the reason why. But, man, that just takes some balls to do because what does it say about your faith in this guy? You just expect him to do the biding of whatever your front office wants him to do? I don't know. When you have the chance to hire Bill Belichick and he's motivated, you know.
[01:19:33] Speaker C: What this points to as well. So the only other coaching job that's potentially left is they said Mike McCarthy is probably not getting retained.
[01:19:42] Speaker B: But he still has a year on his deal, doesn't he?
[01:19:45] Speaker C: And on top of, he's for sure not getting retained is the word. But he may be gone, like soon is the mean. If that's the only job left, will we see Bill Belichick and Jerry Jones team up in head?
[01:20:00] Speaker B: There's still two head coaching vacancies. I thought.
[01:20:05] Speaker C: Chargers gone. Falcons gone. Panther's gone. Raiders gone, Titans gone.
[01:20:17] Speaker B: Who's still Washington. They have a new coach.
[01:20:21] Speaker C: Washington? I thought they did. I don't know. But anyways, we'll get back to that.
[01:20:25] Speaker B: It might have been the Panthers and the Falcons. It might just be.
[01:20:27] Speaker C: But anyways, besides coaching hires, it's been unusually quiet around the NFL this week, so I'm expecting some big things to pop off before next week's show. They kind of have to because usually around this time of year, there's a lot of big things happening in the NFL and there wasn't too much.
Hopefully we can get back to.
[01:20:48] Speaker B: Just, I think we got the Pro bowl games here, the Pro bowl games got the Super bowl. So we'll see how this all plays out. It's going to be a busy couple of weeks.
[01:20:57] Speaker C: Yeah. But that'll conclude our trip around the NFL. So let me remind you to call the burning hotline.
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All right, so as you know, we typically would do an interview with a alumni that's joining us on the Cleveland Browns fan cruise in March, but we haven't been able to get Hanford Dixon, get his schedule nailed down yet and get him on the show. We will, though, because the cruise is coming up so he's got to be on the show. We got to talk to all the alumni. Right.
[01:23:46] Speaker B: Very soon.
[01:23:47] Speaker C: Yeah. So he'll be on the show.
What the hell was that? Every week.
[01:23:55] Speaker B: Every week. Now I know what that is. That is the official signal to remind you that the Cleveland Browns fan cruise is just 39 days away.
[01:24:03] Speaker C: That's right. March 11, we set sail for five unforgettable days at sea with 16 Cleveland browns alumni.
[01:24:10] Speaker B: It's going to be tight.
[01:24:12] Speaker C: Tight. So tight stops in Nassau, stops in Jamaica. You get to see us at cabanas, at both of those beaches, doing some interviews with fans, interviews with alumni.
[01:24:25] Speaker B: Join us at dinner.
[01:24:25] Speaker C: You get to join us at dinner. We'll be hosting a table every night. We'll be mcging part of the opening day pool party. We'll be McG part of the closing day pool party. And we will be mcging part of.
[01:24:35] Speaker B: The Q a session on generally having a good time.
[01:24:38] Speaker C: Oh, it's gonna be dope.
[01:24:39] Speaker B: Get some drink on.
[01:24:40] Speaker C: It's going to be dope.
[01:24:40] Speaker B: Fans.
[01:24:41] Speaker C: If anybody wants to buy me a drink, they're free.
[01:24:45] Speaker B: Just bring me one. Who were we just talking to? That was talking about hitting balls off the back of the boat? Golf balls. One of the players was. That actually sounds like.
[01:24:53] Speaker C: Make sure they're biodegradable.
[01:24:54] Speaker B: I hope they have something like that, because that would be neat. I don't do, like, a top golf experience off the back of a cruise ship, but that would be neat.
[01:24:59] Speaker C: Make sure they're biodegradable. Don't kill the turtles.
[01:25:02] Speaker B: I'm sure they're biodegradable. Like in the.
[01:25:07] Speaker D: Name of fish food.
[01:25:08] Speaker B: The dad.
That guy's name from coach?
[01:25:11] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:25:12] Speaker B: The heck's his name?
[01:25:13] Speaker C: Fred? Jeff?
[01:25:14] Speaker B: No.
[01:25:15] Speaker C: Steve? Bill?
[01:25:16] Speaker B: No.
[01:25:16] Speaker C: John?
[01:25:17] Speaker B: No.
[01:25:19] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:25:21] Speaker D: You talking about the actor's name?
[01:25:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:25:23] Speaker C: I could see him in my white. I know.
[01:25:25] Speaker B: I can't think of. It's really bothering my.
[01:25:30] Speaker C: Anyways, say what comes to mind. Anyways, it's time to talk about the Pro bowl games.
[01:25:38] Speaker B: Pro bowl games.
Real quick.
[01:25:43] Speaker C: You got a sounder for this?
[01:25:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I saved one from last year's, the Pro bowl games. It's a hunger games sounder.
[01:25:49] Speaker C: Nice. I like it.
[01:25:51] Speaker B: I had one thing that I wanted to mention, just around the NFL part there, or even around the.
[01:25:56] Speaker C: You should have let me know.
[01:25:57] Speaker B: I guess it's more of a Super bowl prediction. Not about the game, but about something else that I wanted to talk about, because in line with, I think, travis, Kelsey's good at getting a little soft.
[01:26:07] Speaker C: Is he getting married?
[01:26:08] Speaker B: I think we were talking about, how do you date a girl like Taylor Swift? Like, what better stage to have a proposal than at the 50 yard line after you've won the Super bowl?
[01:26:18] Speaker C: What if they win? He proposes, then retires.
[01:26:20] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. I'm out. That was my.
[01:26:22] Speaker C: Drop the mic.
[01:26:22] Speaker B: I think he's done. I think he proposes to Taylor at the 50 yard line.
[01:26:25] Speaker C: He just passed Jerry Rice for the most receptive in history.
[01:26:28] Speaker B: He wins Super Bowl MVP, has, like, three or four.
[01:26:31] Speaker C: Widely considered the goat at tight end.
[01:26:32] Speaker D: He just goes on tour with Taylor.
[01:26:35] Speaker C: Off into the sunset.
[01:26:37] Speaker B: Fangirl. Just with this taylor t shirt on.
[01:26:39] Speaker C: And then six months from now, eating her gumbo.
[01:26:42] Speaker D: He's pregnant.
[01:26:46] Speaker C: Six months from now, Taylor drops him, writes an album about him, and then he comes back and the Chiefs win the Super bowl again.
[01:26:53] Speaker B: Great. I didn't predict that part, but you never know. But seriously, though, I think we may have an epic proposal in the works. Like how? Like, Usher's going to.
[01:27:02] Speaker C: Haven't they been dating for, like, three months?
[01:27:03] Speaker B: There's going to be. Doesn't matter. Love is love, man.
[01:27:06] Speaker C: That's true. That's true.
[01:27:08] Speaker D: They're getting older. I mean, Taylor's our age.
[01:27:10] Speaker B: She's a middle aged woman.
[01:27:13] Speaker C: I bet she doesn't think of herself as a middle aged woman. But you are, Taylor. If you're listening to the burning river sportscast, just know you're a middle aged woman.
[01:27:20] Speaker B: I mean, think about the ring of celebrities.
[01:27:22] Speaker C: We're middle aged men.
[01:27:23] Speaker B: He could have circled the field just like all these famous. Like, if you. Let's just come with me real quick. You can't just propose Taylor Swift to get family Christmas. You can't even take her, like, Paris. That's not big enough for Taylor Swift. Like, the Eiffel Tower. Taylor looks. She's like, I've been here, like, 16.
[01:27:37] Speaker C: This is the penultimate event of our sport.
I just dominated it and won.
[01:27:44] Speaker B: That's the ultimate.
[01:27:44] Speaker D: Wait, I just read she's going to be in Tokyo the day before the Super bowl.
[01:27:47] Speaker B: Yeah, she got to fly back.
[01:27:48] Speaker C: She got to fly back. There's this whole thing.
There's been a lot of Internet sleuths that have looked into whether or not she could take it back in time and get enough rest to be able to make the game, and she absolutely can and will. And it's going to happen.
[01:28:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And then there's going to be a Magical, Disney like proposal on a 50 yard line, hell, yes.
[01:28:07] Speaker C: I love it.
[01:28:08] Speaker B: If there was a fan, does Travis Kelsey get engaged?
[01:28:11] Speaker C: I will say this super bowl. I'm just as annoyed as most fans that the camera pans to Taylor literally every time anything happens. But I'm kind of on the bandwagon. Anybody that is, like, shitting all over Travis, Kelsey and Swift, like, you just hate your life. Because.
[01:28:29] Speaker B: I don't care per se at. It's funny to me because of all the fanfare about it, but it's no different than, I mean, hell, they showed Jake Browning's girlfriend in the skin tight white leather pants.
[01:28:41] Speaker C: Her onesie.
[01:28:43] Speaker B: We were used to them showing Mrs. Kelsey and her dual jersey and stuff. They always families and stuff. It's no different than if she was Brittany Mahomes. Like, she just happens to be.
[01:28:55] Speaker C: Exactly.
[01:28:55] Speaker B: I mean, what is she supposed to do? Girlfriend's not allowed to go to the game.
[01:28:59] Speaker C: What do they show before and after every LA Rams victory? They show Matthew Stafford running over and hugging and kissing his four girls and his wife or three girls and his wife or whatever it is, she's a nice looking lady. Yeah, but I'm just saying to anybody that's like, oh, my God, it is funny. They're happy and they're having fun and who cares? And just enjoy the ride.
[01:29:21] Speaker B: And it is love.
[01:29:22] Speaker D: Middle aged love.
[01:29:25] Speaker B: It is funny, too, because people love.
[01:29:29] Speaker C: My wife's can be so mad when she watches this episode. She's like, you called me middle aged in the middle.
[01:29:34] Speaker B: Well, I tried to say that earlier. I tried to stop you.
[01:29:37] Speaker D: We're all middle aged, doubled and tripled down on this.
[01:29:40] Speaker B: But people love quadruple. Yeah, people love Jason Kelsey's wife because she's quiet and unassuming and pretty and just cute. But they're tailoring a mix, and it's like, oh, also, there's vitriol.
[01:29:54] Speaker C: Why?
Is it just because Travis is more not outspoken? Maybe that's not the right word, but Hollywood about him. Yeah, Jason Kelsey is outspoken, but he was kind of like blue collar. Yeah, he was kind of like Cleveland. Outspoken. Not LA outspoken.
[01:30:09] Speaker B: Something about that.
[01:30:10] Speaker C: Yeah. But I don't know.
It's just od that everybody's hating on it so much. Just whatever. It's entertainment.
[01:30:18] Speaker B: Anyways, let's talk about the Pro bowl games.
[01:30:21] Speaker C: Wasn't this segment the Pro bowl games?
[01:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:30:24] Speaker C: Look, let's run the sounder again. The Pro bowl games.
[01:30:29] Speaker B: With that look, here's the thing, Kenny, I'm so excited.
[01:30:35] Speaker C: What are the events? Obviously, what's the format? What's happening. Tell me all about it.
[01:30:38] Speaker B: Obviously, the Pro bowl has been supplanted by this mix of games that our current emperor has thrown our way.
[01:30:47] Speaker C: Anything new this year?
[01:30:50] Speaker B: Yeah, there is a couple of things new. They're going to be super exciting.
[01:30:56] Speaker C: How exciting are they?
[01:30:57] Speaker B: Here's my first couple of gripes real quick, just with the Pro bowl games.
[01:31:00] Speaker C: All right, let's hear.
[01:31:01] Speaker B: First off, we're back in Orlando this year for the Pro bowl games.
[01:31:03] Speaker C: Orlando is not like, not that it's terrible. There's a lot worse places you could be.
[01:31:08] Speaker B: Orlando is great for families because you get Disney and stuff there. But like in January and February, it's not that nice.
[01:31:14] Speaker C: It's like 55 degrees and rain.
[01:31:15] Speaker D: Wait a second, guys. This weekend is the Pro bowl, right? Yeah, dude, I'm going to be in Orlando.
[01:31:20] Speaker C: Are you going?
[01:31:21] Speaker B: You should go.
[01:31:21] Speaker D: No, I didn't think it was $40.
[01:31:23] Speaker C: Why didn't you go?
It's probably going to be busy down there, right? More busy than usual?
[01:31:28] Speaker D: Yeah, I didn't account for that.
[01:31:31] Speaker C: Where are you guys?
[01:31:31] Speaker B: Sorry, I was just thinking they're going to Disney.
[01:31:34] Speaker C: You're going to Disney?
[01:31:34] Speaker D: We're just driving in for a day or two, possibly.
[01:31:36] Speaker C: Well, it's probably down. Is the complex down that way?
[01:31:39] Speaker B: It's Orlando. Yeah.
[01:31:41] Speaker C: Well, you said a lot of these aren't open to the public anymore, so.
[01:31:44] Speaker B: Like, what was weird, what was cool last year was all these things. Most of the games were open to the public. They could go in on Thursday and on Sunday and watch all the different skills competitions. Some of them are like on site. Like there's like a golf thing. Whatever.
[01:31:57] Speaker C: The long drive. Did they get rid of the long drive?
[01:31:59] Speaker B: We still have that. Well, it's not long drive. It's closest to the pin.
But anyway, so this thing kicks off on Thursday, and because it's in Orlando, the weather's not great.
[01:32:09] Speaker C: I don't weather outside Orlando.
[01:32:12] Speaker B: I'm not super familiar with camping world Stadium and the facilities that are around, but I don't know if there's a big enough building to house NFL players throwing and kicking footballs around in the vicinity. It doesn't look like there is. So I imagine these all have to be done on the turf, on the field. It's going to be like 55 degrees on Thursday. So good luck, guys.
So anyway, Thursday, February, probably raining.
[01:32:41] Speaker C: It's in Orlando.
[01:32:42] Speaker B: 07:00 p.m. To 830. You can watch this stuff live on ESPN. Here's a rundown of events for Thursday.
[01:32:48] Speaker C: Oh, boy.
[01:32:49] Speaker B: We're going to have the precision passing. We'll have three quarterbacks from each conference accumulate points by hitting as many targets as they can in 1 minute. No way. Conference with the highest cumulative score earns three points for their team. Because all AFCNFC for the ultimate goal of winning the flag football game, they get points to load up beforehand for some reason. I don't know why, the points are made up.
[01:33:13] Speaker C: The rules are made up.
[01:33:16] Speaker B: Then we have this best catch again which is kind of like the NFL's version of like the dunk.
[01:33:20] Speaker C: Oh my God, they brought this back. This was literally the dumbest thing I've ever watched in my entire life. Last year? Yeah, by far the dumbest.
[01:33:26] Speaker B: Just a bunch of dudes making one handed catches trying to catch it between their legs. But this is the kind of thing you can do with your toddler on the couch.
Catch this nerf ball. This was fun.
Closest to the pin so golf accuracy competition will feature six players from each conference who will drive the ball as close to the hole as possible.
[01:33:43] Speaker C: Wasn't it a long drive last year? They changed it to close to the pin.
[01:33:46] Speaker B: It's basically the same. It's like a mix of closest to pin and long drive. I don't know. Apparently they're going to be on like a 280 yard hole. I guess. I don't know. But they will earn three points for their conference.
High stakes. This is the one where the players will start off with a football in hand and then each player will catch punts from a jugs machine and you have to keep holding on to his new ball.
[01:34:11] Speaker C: This one's entertaining.
[01:34:12] Speaker B: This one was actually entertaining last year so this one might be worth your watch. The player catches the most football wins.
[01:34:18] Speaker C: Didn't last year. Who won it? They caught like seven of them or something stupid.
[01:34:21] Speaker B: It was like Joey Bosa I think had maybe won it last year and he did. He had like seven or eight balls in his hand at one time.
[01:34:26] Speaker C: It was ridiculous. What's the event called again?
[01:34:29] Speaker B: High stakes.
[01:34:29] Speaker C: All right, keep going.
[01:34:31] Speaker B: Next we have the dodgeball competition.
Multi round tournament of classic dodgeball featuring four teams of five players.
AFC will face off the NFC let's see. AFC offense will face the NFC defense and then the NFC offense will play the AFC defense and the winners will earn three points for their conference. Kick Tac toe everybody's favorite game of kicking skill. The first kicker to complete a connecting line of three squares or hit five squares total will earn three points for their conference.
This is new. Suggest about new stuff snapshots. This is exciting. This new skill will allow long snappers and centers showcase their skills by snapping balls at targets of various sizes and point values.
[01:35:18] Speaker C: This actually sounds pretty entertaining.
[01:35:19] Speaker B: This is kind of like precision passing. But for the big guys, this actually.
[01:35:23] Speaker C: Sounds pretty entertaining because you never get to see actually how good long snappers are at their job.
[01:35:28] Speaker B: I guess that's exciting.
[01:35:30] Speaker C: I'm excited.
[01:35:30] Speaker B: If you're excited about it, I'm excited. Good for you. So that'll round out the Thursday games again, that's seven to 830 on ESPN on Thursday night. So something to, if you want some semblance on football, you can tune in for that. And then Sunday, there's some additional skills challenges. This starts at 03:00 p.m. And goes to 06:00 p.m.. Eastern.
Looks like this is carried by a whole bunch of networks. ESPN, ABC, Disney XD, ESPN Plus, ESPN departes and NFL plus a couple of skills games. So we have first the Madden 24 head to head challenge.
For the fourth consecutive year, EA Sports is hosting a Madden NFL head to head Pro bowl games event. Two players will defend the NFC's title against the AFC in Madden NFL 24 using the official Pro bowl games rosters.
New this year, the winning team will earn conference points. Three points for their conference.
And we have.
This is the one that I thought would be canceled this year because this is the one that Miles broke his toe on last year is the brid Iron gauntlet. This is the full field relay race between six players from each conference in a challenging obstacle course. They will break through walls and crawl under doors, among other obstacles to get to the final sled, push across the finish line.
The winning team will earn three points for their conference.
Also new this year, tug of war. Five on five. Demonstration of teamwork, strength and strategy. Positioned above a foam pit.
What's that game they played? Squid games. Squid games? So they'll fall into the foam pit attempting to move the opposing player across the marker.
[01:37:11] Speaker C: I like it. They should have just went full out.
[01:37:13] Speaker B: Squid games for this best of three competition. And the winners earn three points for their conference. And then the final skills challenge game is move the change. This is offense and defensive linemen. Strength and speed, strategy and teamwork. Each team of five players must work together to move 3000 pounds of weights off of a massive wall and be the first team to pull the 2000 pound wall across the finish line. I don't really understand the math here, but the winners will earn three points for their conference.
And then, as always, as we become accustomed to. The NFL will have the flag football game from just to preview what the.
[01:37:51] Speaker C: Future of the sport looks like.
[01:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah. To preview the future of the sport coached by none other than the matting brothers.
[01:37:57] Speaker C: Are they back?
[01:37:57] Speaker B: They are back to coach the AFC versus the NFC in flag football competition. So that is your rundown of this year's star studded skill showdown? Case? Showdown.
[01:38:11] Speaker C: I didn't hear as much of a big deal. Know last year they made a huge deal about Eli Manning and Peyton Manning. There's all kinds of commercials leading up to it and whatever else, they're just there.
[01:38:21] Speaker B: This know.
[01:38:22] Speaker C: Yeah, okay, that's fine.
[01:38:24] Speaker B: But yeah, look, my whole thing is like, I don't know at this point after Miles hurt his foot last year and it lingered into the offseason all the way to training camp. I don't know that I want any of my players doing any of these things at this point because I don't want it in a freak accident where my quarterback is trying to throw the ball 60 yards down the field and rips his rose heater cuff. I don't need that. I don't need my linebacker tearing an achilles trying to hit a golf ball as far as he like, they just need to do away with this altogether. No one wants to watch flag football.
[01:39:01] Speaker C: I agree. It's kind of the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. That for whatever reason, they're trying to hold on to this so bad. Like just vote the Pro bowl.
[01:39:09] Speaker B: Vote the Pro bowl and give them the honor.
Check in a plaque and call it a day.
[01:39:13] Speaker C: Like, call it something else. If you don't want to do the games anymore instead of the Pro bowl, just make it like not all Pro, but just give it another name like the fan vote or whatever because that's basically what it is. It's the fan vote combined with other stuff. But the one that matters to these players is the all Pro team that's voted on by players and coaches. They don't care about the other stuff. The Pro bowl is cool and I'm sure they want to make it, but they're like, the Pro bowl is where you run into things. Like Tom Brady in his last year when he had a pretty bad year, still made the Pro bowl because he's Tom Brady.
[01:39:47] Speaker B: Because fan.
I just. This whole thing is such a waste of everyone's time, money and energy.
[01:39:55] Speaker C: It has been for a long time.
[01:39:57] Speaker B: I used to like when it was an actual football game, I guess, and it was just that. It was fine.
[01:40:02] Speaker C: You can go back and find highlights. Like people were lighting each other up and doing all kinds of stuff before.
[01:40:08] Speaker B: All the money and contracts got in the way.
But it isn't the same anymore. And even these games that they have these guys playing in can apparently be mean. Have you ever played tug of war? It's like an all body exercise.
I could hurt myself playing tug of war just as easy as playing a football game.
[01:40:28] Speaker C: Tara lat?
[01:40:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:40:31] Speaker C: Did you tell everybody who from the Browns is involved?
I got it up here. Amari Cooper is a starter.
David Anjoku is a reserve. Wyatt Teller, Joel Batonio, both starters.
Let's see. Or, I'm sorry, Wyatt Teller is an alternate. Joel Batonio is a starter. I misspoke there. Miles Garrett's a starter.
[01:40:56] Speaker B: What do you mean starter? Right. Like a starter for what? The skills.
[01:41:01] Speaker C: J-O-K is an alternate, which the alternates get voted in later as like reserve. Reserve players, basically.
And I think that's it for us.
[01:41:14] Speaker B: But the nice thing about this is.
[01:41:16] Speaker C: Your boy got snubbed.
[01:41:17] Speaker D: Yeah, he did.
[01:41:19] Speaker B: Again Thursday. None of the events are open to the public, but there will be open to the public before the football game, the flag football game on Sunday. So that whole day you can go starting at 03:00 p.m. Doors open at noon. If you are going to be in Orlando like the big bone man. Tickets are literally $39 for this thing.
[01:41:35] Speaker C: He probably would have bought tickets if Dustin Hopkins is going to be there.
[01:41:39] Speaker D: I would have known about it.
[01:41:40] Speaker C: I would have known about it. That's for sure.
Listen, this should tell you something. So we are a podcast that covers Cleveland Browns football and really all football. And our boardman literally didn't even know the pro ball games. We're going to be in the same city as him this weekend.
[01:41:59] Speaker B: This.
I just.
[01:42:02] Speaker C: I honestly haven't seen a which part of that is just because streaming and not watching live tv all the time, but I haven't seen a single commercial for the Pro bowl games.
[01:42:09] Speaker B: I've seen a couple just watching the games on tv on cable, but I don't know.
[01:42:16] Speaker C: We all in agreeance just get rid of it.
[01:42:17] Speaker B: I think it's so watered down. I think you can still honor them and call them Pro bowlers.
[01:42:22] Speaker C: You don't even have to change the name. I was just thinking change the name because there's not a Pro bowl anymore. But you don't have to change the name. Just leave it. That said, just call them Pro bowlers and be done with it.
[01:42:32] Speaker B: And maybe you can still do like an hour long special where?
Send them to Disney. Great. Send them to Disney with their family and friends and interview some players and talk about the season and their families having fun in Disney and call a day after an hour and be done with it. Congratulations to all of our pro bowlers.
[01:42:46] Speaker C: Good job, buddy.
[01:42:47] Speaker B: You're into vacation out of it.
[01:42:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Do they get paid this year like they did last year?
[01:42:51] Speaker B: I think the winning team of the flag football team still wins, like, 25 grand or something.
[01:42:59] Speaker C: Doesn't have those numbers this year. Last year, that was a big deal. It was like $84,000 to each member of the winning team. I'm pretty sure.
[01:43:08] Speaker B: I don't know for sure such an.
[01:43:11] Speaker C: OD number, by the way, but, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah. Anyways, I think they should definitely get rid of this because nobody wants Pro bowl.
[01:43:20] Speaker B: You're right. The CBA allows $88,000 for the winning team and 44 for the losers. There we go.
[01:43:27] Speaker C: But anyway, so are we done talking about the Pro bowl?
[01:43:30] Speaker B: That is all? The Pro bowl game.
[01:43:32] Speaker C: Pro bowl games. And so with that, let me remind you to call the burning of sportscast hot take outline.
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[01:44:15] Speaker B: We will recap the Pro Bowl.
[01:44:18] Speaker C: I was so turned up. And we go to you and you're.
[01:44:20] Speaker B: Just dead, I guess. But the big thing is we will be previewing the Super bowl matchup between the niners and Chiefs, and then, obviously, we'll cover any browns news that comes up.
[01:44:31] Speaker C: Wow.
Exciting, exciting stuff. The Super bowl is coming up.
[01:44:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Just feels bad without the browns.
[01:44:38] Speaker C: Yeah, it's exciting, but it's, like, bittersweet because that means there's no more football for, like, however many days.
[01:44:43] Speaker B: Yes. Well, but in 39 days, we'll be on a Browns fan cruise.
[01:44:47] Speaker C: Hell yes.
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[01:45:00] Speaker B: Pod.
[01:45:00] Speaker C: You can find our podcast wherever we get your podcast. Talking to Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google podcasts, Amazon Music, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Pocket, Cat Castro, good Pod Stitcher, and so many more. And, Kenny, do you know what that takes us to?
[01:45:10] Speaker B: Facts for days.
All right, facts for days. What do you got, number one.
[01:45:24] Speaker C: Okay.
[01:45:25] Speaker B: The quarterback class of 2018 was highly touted with names like Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson. Yet it is this man that was the first to make it to the Super bowl.
It's like Jeopardy.
[01:45:42] Speaker C: Nana.
[01:45:46] Speaker B: Mama, nana, na, na, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Any guesses?
[01:45:53] Speaker C: Even nah.
[01:45:55] Speaker D: Sam Darnold.
[01:45:56] Speaker B: Sam Darnold, the 49 ers. He may get a ring as a backup. Who would have thought Sam Darnold would have the first one out of.
[01:46:04] Speaker C: That's who the argument was for the number one pick, that we could have.
[01:46:07] Speaker B: Had a Super Bowl.
[01:46:07] Speaker D: I wanted him. I was all in on Sam Darnold.
[01:46:10] Speaker C: Sam Darnold's not very good.
[01:46:11] Speaker B: Number two, hot water will freeze faster than cool water.
[01:46:18] Speaker C: Why?
[01:46:20] Speaker B: Because effectively, hot water has more energy than pent up, like a spring, so it gets released.
[01:46:29] Speaker C: Release.
[01:46:30] Speaker B: When you begin to cool it, it's always good to. And so it cools at a much faster pace than cool water. So next time you're freezing ice in a tray and you want some ice cubes, try using hot water first instead of, like, lukewarm or cool water, and you'll have ice cubes sooner.
[01:46:44] Speaker C: I wonder what my ice machine uses, because I don't put.
[01:46:48] Speaker D: That's, like, the TikTok trend, right? Where they're throwing, like, boiling pots of water out and it instantly vaporized.
[01:46:54] Speaker B: Yeah, something like that. Hot water will evaporate faster as well.
[01:46:58] Speaker D: They're doing it in, like, the freezing cold, crazy temperature.
[01:47:02] Speaker B: It has to be, like, 15 below or something, at least, I think. But, yeah, the thing you don't want to do, though, is be standing downwind from it, because then you'll just get covered in boiling water.
[01:47:13] Speaker C: Things you see on TikTok are wild. Yeah.
[01:47:15] Speaker B: Yes. But I thought that was interesting, that hot water freezes faster than cool water.
[01:47:19] Speaker C: I would have thought they were the same, but they just freeze. I do know that hot water usually will freeze clear, and cold water will freeze. Cloud.
[01:47:25] Speaker B: In my mind, I was like, wouldn't it eventually just hit the same temperature as the cool water cooler, faster cool at the same rate. But apparently because of the energy that's built up in hot water, I guess not the rate is faster. Bring the science.
[01:47:39] Speaker C: Science.
It's just crazy. We're trying things like that.
[01:47:43] Speaker B: Last week we put liquid paper on.
[01:47:44] Speaker C: A bee and it died.
[01:47:46] Speaker B: Died. Number three. The Mississippi river is the third largest watershed in the world, spanning 2340 miles.
[01:47:54] Speaker C: That's pretty big.
[01:47:55] Speaker B: So if you took a single drop of water and put it in the Mississippi river, it would take 90 days to reach the end.
[01:48:09] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:48:11] Speaker B: 90 for a single drop of water at the top of the Mississippi river. River.
[01:48:14] Speaker C: That's a long journey to make it.
[01:48:15] Speaker B: All the way there.
[01:48:16] Speaker C: What if it got stuck in one of the tributaries?
Oh, you can't get stuck. No.
[01:48:21] Speaker B: It's bottom molecules and that is facts for days. But I do. A bonus question for bone.
[01:48:26] Speaker C: Bonus.
Do you get it? Wait, do you get it? Bone bonus.
[01:48:32] Speaker B: Next week, we're going to be boneless.
[01:48:33] Speaker C: Oh, no. Those are the worst weeks when we're boneless.
[01:48:37] Speaker B: A bonus question for bone, our biblical historian, more open ended, just for quick discussion, just because I was thinking about this.
[01:48:43] Speaker C: Oh, boy. This could be the longest segment of the know.
[01:48:46] Speaker B: Like Noah built a boat, right? Like an ark.
[01:48:48] Speaker C: Two by two.
[01:48:49] Speaker B: Yeah, two by two. Because he said, he told Noah, it's going to rain.
[01:48:53] Speaker C: It's going to rain a lot. There's going to be a lot of.
[01:48:56] Speaker B: Rain to the point where there's just a flood.
[01:48:58] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:49:00] Speaker B: No one else in the world at this time had a boat like this. Flood destroyed all of mankind.
[01:49:09] Speaker D: I mean, that could be. There could have been some other boats.
[01:49:12] Speaker B: But didn't it destroy everyone and everything except for Noah and.
[01:49:18] Speaker D: Way, I believe that's the way it's detailed. And the thought is that the earth was repopulated through Noah's family and his sons and their wives, who were also on the boat.
[01:49:27] Speaker B: But isn't a little crazy that no one else had a boat anyway?
[01:49:31] Speaker D: Yeah, it could have been more of like. I mean, you see pictures of flooding on beaches after tsunamis and stuff. That's pretty devastating. So I don't know if you have crazy tidal waves and stuff that are just devastating people. And also you have the all powerful God who, if this is his plan, he can fulfill that plan.
[01:49:49] Speaker B: That's very.
[01:49:51] Speaker C: He's always sunk all the other powerful.
[01:49:53] Speaker D: Yes, but there's lots of different talk on this. If you ever look at, like, the Bible project touches on this kind of stuff and just people's theories on how the earth was repopulated after the flood. And could it have happened?
[01:50:06] Speaker C: More to the point, what do you think happened?
[01:50:10] Speaker D: I'm kind of more of someone who looks at scripture as it being infallible word of God. So I tend to believe what it says as it's written.
[01:50:22] Speaker C: It was the only boat.
[01:50:23] Speaker B: He would have just sunk all the other boats. If there were other boats.
[01:50:25] Speaker D: Yes. I'm a firm believer that there was plenty of space for all the species, all the animals and everything there that needed to repopulate the earth.
[01:50:34] Speaker C: It wasn't that. There wasn't other boats. The other boats didn't make it.
[01:50:37] Speaker D: Yeah, they didn't make it because no.
[01:50:38] Speaker B: Boats were quite as big as the ark.
[01:50:40] Speaker D: Right?
[01:50:40] Speaker C: It was largeland.
[01:50:44] Speaker B: A global flood.
[01:50:45] Speaker D: I think it took like 60 or years to build or something. I mean, they built that boat for a long time.
[01:50:50] Speaker B: Yeah, they did.
[01:50:54] Speaker C: Nobody understands how much of our religious historian bone is. The bone is. I would like to get into the discussion of the big forehead discussion one day. That's my favorite one.
[01:51:08] Speaker D: That was just somebody's theory that I thought was kind of neat.
[01:51:10] Speaker C: Every time he tells it, I'm like, no way.
[01:51:13] Speaker B: I actually was reading that they found neanderthal and they were going to clone it.
[01:51:20] Speaker C: I don't know if that's a good idea.
[01:51:21] Speaker B: Like, what are the repercussions of cloning in the endothel? Like having a living in the endertal.
[01:51:25] Speaker C: You know what that sounds like?
[01:51:26] Speaker B: I was going to have a discussion about this, but I guess it's the end of the show. Sounds like a problem. Don't just be the whole problem.
Don't be a problem. Don't be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[01:51:36] Speaker C: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning river sports burning river sports cast burning river sports cast Noah's Ark probably would survive the burning river burning river.
[01:51:51] Speaker B: It was wood. Wouldn't it catch on fire? Maybe.
[01:51:53] Speaker C: Who knows?
Maybe not.
I mean, it was wood for sure.
[01:51:58] Speaker B: It was definitely wood.
[01:51:59] Speaker C: But maybe the wood was strong enough to withstand.
[01:52:01] Speaker B: What was it made out of? It was like elephant wood. What was it made out of? No gopher wood.
[01:52:05] Speaker C: No fights. Like, who sealed the door?
[01:52:09] Speaker B: Who sealed the door of the ark?
[01:52:11] Speaker D: Yeah, after everybody got in. Who sealed the door?
[01:52:14] Speaker B: Noah.
[01:52:16] Speaker C: He was in the ark. How do you seal the door? Why are you asking this question?
[01:52:19] Speaker D: I just think it's a cool question.
[01:52:20] Speaker B: That's a trick question.
[01:52:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Our religious story and doesn't even know the answer.
[01:52:24] Speaker B: Asking us, was it on like, a pulley of, like, goat's hair.
[01:52:26] Speaker D: Why? Have an answer.
[01:52:27] Speaker C: What's the answer?
[01:52:28] Speaker D: God sealed it.
[01:52:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay.
[01:52:31] Speaker D: He sealed the door for us.
[01:52:32] Speaker C: I just think it was on a pulley of goat's hair.
[01:52:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
I was actually reading totally off the rails.
[01:52:39] Speaker C: People are going to be listening to this part. Like, what are they talking about?
[01:52:42] Speaker B: Evan Almighty. And I really enjoyed Evan almighty. I thought it was like, is it the best movie of all time, though? It's not like taxi driver.
[01:52:48] Speaker C: It's a nice short watch.
[01:52:50] Speaker B: Yeah, but I enjoyed it. Every time I watch it on tv, I enjoy it. But apparently it was, like, this huge flop. It lost, like, $50 million compared to the budget. And I was like, how did they.
[01:52:59] Speaker C: Even spend $50 million? Their special effects were the worst.
[01:53:02] Speaker B: In fact, it was the. Well, that's how they spent it so much, because it was like, 2008 and they had, like, they were so bad teams working on CGI.
[01:53:09] Speaker C: They were so bad.
[01:53:10] Speaker B: And they also had a bunch of actual wildlife for some of the photos, for some of the shoots.
[01:53:14] Speaker C: Listen, I don't care what the numbers of the box office say. That had to have developed a cult following because I think it's good because it's got the greatest american actor of all time.
[01:53:24] Speaker B: Well, yeah, John Goodman's in it.
[01:53:25] Speaker C: Of course.
[01:53:26] Speaker B: That's my biggest thing. I just can't believe John Goodman was in a movie that apparently flopped. But it was apparently such a big.
[01:53:31] Speaker D: Carell at, like, his height.
[01:53:32] Speaker C: I feel like John Goodman's never been in a movie. That's fake news.
[01:53:37] Speaker B: Part of it they blamed on Steve Carell because they said that his star power wasn't as big as Jim Carrey's.
[01:53:43] Speaker C: So he couldn't carry, which is probably fair titular component of at that point.
[01:53:47] Speaker B: But I feel like he was pretty big. Like, that was like 40 year old virgin around that time. And like, the office.
[01:53:52] Speaker C: Yeah, but that was before the office became what the office is.
[01:53:55] Speaker B: The office is much more popular now, I think.
[01:53:58] Speaker C: And part of the reason that the rest of the office got greenlit is because 40 year old virgin had such a big. Because that did so well and they didn't expect it to. And they were like, oh, Steve Carell apparently can really do that.
[01:54:10] Speaker B: John Goodman, Morgan Freeman. It wasn't like nobody was in that movie.
I thoroughly enjoyed it, and it was serial, apparently.
[01:54:18] Speaker C: I thoroughly enjoy anything with John Goodman.
[01:54:19] Speaker B: It was apparently such a big flop that he was on gallifinucus's two ferns, and he was like, is there a movie that you really proud of. And he's like, Evan Almighty. Of course. It was a big joke. That's like, his big regret is like, he did Evan Almighty. I was like. He's like, is it your favorite? Because it lost so much money?
[01:54:40] Speaker C: I thought it was good.
[01:54:41] Speaker B: I was like. I thought it was a good movie.
[01:54:42] Speaker C: But any movie with John Goodman is.
[01:54:44] Speaker B: Okay in my books. Cast. Good night, Cleveland Browns fan Cruise and the Burning river sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of? Motorboat.
[01:54:55] Speaker C: You play the motorboat, you motorboat son of a bitch. You old sailor, you.
[01:55:01] Speaker B: You know, I was thinking during that.
[01:55:02] Speaker C: Interview, what were you. Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[01:55:07] Speaker B: Wow. My name is Uhtred, son of Utrid.
[01:55:11] Speaker C: By the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[01:55:15] Speaker B: Women's guide to anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes the second edition? He didn't want to send her the first edition. He wanted to send her the second edition.
[01:55:24] Speaker C: Listen, this one, they made some improvements.
[01:55:27] Speaker B: We figured out how to do this better. The weather outside is weather.
[01:55:31] Speaker C: The other one, the finger eating food. Fingers, yes.
[01:55:34] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[01:55:36] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:55:37] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I have the full shed.
[01:55:40] Speaker C: He shit everywhere. Oh, no.
[01:55:44] Speaker B: We suck again.
[01:55:45] Speaker C: What do you mean, funny? Funny how?
[01:55:46] Speaker B: How am I funny? I think he's done. I think he proposes to Taylor at the 50 yard line.
[01:55:50] Speaker C: He just passed Jerry Rice for the most receptive in history.
[01:55:53] Speaker B: He wins Super Bowl MVP, has, like, three or four.
[01:55:55] Speaker C: Widely considered the goat at tight end.
[01:55:57] Speaker D: Which goes on tour with Taylor.
[01:56:00] Speaker C: Off into the sunset.
[01:56:01] Speaker B: Fangirl. Just with this taylor t shirt on.
[01:56:04] Speaker C: And then six months from now, eating her gumbo.
[01:56:06] Speaker D: He's pregnant.
[01:56:09] Speaker B: Goddamn jet.
[01:56:11] Speaker C: All I do is win win no matter what.
[01:56:14] Speaker B: The leads are weak. Leads are weak. Fucking leads are weak. You're weak.
[01:56:20] Speaker C: I mean, last year when I won, I went home, my wife's pants hit the ground. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[01:56:27] Speaker B: Oh, lord.
[01:56:28] Speaker C: Wow. But damn, my wife's going to be so mad when she watches this episode. She's like, you called me middle aged in the middle.
[01:56:34] Speaker B: Well, I tried to say that earlier. I tried to stop you.
[01:56:37] Speaker C: We're all middle aged.
[01:56:39] Speaker D: Doubled and tripled down on this.
[01:56:40] Speaker B: Well, people love quadruple.
You know why, Mr. Because you drove a Hyundai. To get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
[01:56:51] Speaker C: I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Now, I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[01:57:01] Speaker D: It's Mother Nature.
[01:57:02] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[01:57:04] Speaker C: I desperately want to make love.
[01:57:06] Speaker B: We need cheese girl now. Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson. Who's canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[01:57:14] Speaker C: Probably me.
[01:57:15] Speaker B: You making a photo of fat people?
[01:57:18] Speaker C: I'm not just you.
[01:57:20] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[01:57:23] Speaker C: No way. You're just straight. Just finger banged or salad.
[01:57:28] Speaker D: You first get shocked and then you.
[01:57:30] Speaker B: Get the shocker you like to see almost naked. That's cool, man. Whatever. No.
Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
This is not why you were here.
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