Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Kenny Thunder: Sam, It's time. Time for a very special live edition of the Burning River Sportscast.
Following up from Cleveland's big Thursday night victory, 27:24 over the Pittsburgh Steelers. Full house tonight for the live show. We do have both Red Hot Ronnie Jams and the Big Bone man joining us. So, guys, three and one.
How did it happen?
[00:01:15] Ronnie Jams: I, I, I don't know what to say. I, I have, I've been searching for words since Thursday, and I still don't know what to say. So it's going to be a long show.
[00:01:26] The Big Bone Man: Yeah.
[00:01:27] Kenny Thunder: So speaking of Thursday, you know, we apologize you for or apologize for missing Thursday night.
Appreciate anyone jumping on this afternoon or this evening to join us. I had a slight family emergency. Toddler with croup started really having some issues right during the final drive for the Browns, so I actually missed the very end of the game and then had to go directly to the emergency room. So that is why we were not on directly following the game as we had anticipated. But works out better for everyone because now we got a full house here tonight. Saturday night. Saturday Night Live right here.
[00:02:05] Ronnie Jams: We got to wait till Saturdays.
Well, it's gonna be weekend day for Bone, so I guess we'd have to wait a full week after a game to get him on.
[00:02:14] Kenny Thunder: We're keeping him up past his bedtime as it is.
[00:02:17] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, yeah.
Little ones okay, though?
[00:02:20] Kenny Thunder: All good. All good now.
[00:02:21] Ronnie Jams: Just all good. So next time I'm sick, he's sick,
[00:02:24] Kenny Thunder: my wife's sick, everybody's sick.
[00:02:25] Ronnie Jams: So next time, obviously, we're going to tell him. You stop coughing right now while I watch the rest of the Browns game.
[00:02:30] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
I had no idea who won until I had called Ronnie Jams on the way to the hospital, and I was like, do we do it? I'm en route to the er. Like, did we even win? He was like, yeah. So good stuff.
[00:02:43] The Big Bone Man: I just want, I just want to say, let that be a lesson to some Browns fans out there. Family over Browns.
It's okay. You can, you can choose that.
[00:02:51] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
Every time. It's not like you can choose that. You should choose that every time.
[00:02:56] Kenny Thunder: Respiratory dist. Stress waits for no man.
[00:02:58] Ronnie Jams: That's true. That's true. You actually told me you got to, you got to the ER and they were like, respiratory distress. Let's go back. We don't have to wait for anybody.
[00:03:07] Kenny Thunder: Shout out to the people over at Akron Children's ER was packed, and there were people waiting a long, long time. So we felt bad. But obviously, you know, breathing issues took priority. I mean they sprinted down the hall, handed them off to a nurse, got them directly into a room and on respirator, breathing machine for treatment and stuff. So awesome job. By then, I mean they just we're so fortunate Northeast Ohio to have great facilities like Akron Children's and we were very fortunate that they kind of just swat teamed and came in and took care of everything. So absolutely awesome stuff.
[00:03:38] Ronnie Jams: No, yeah, good work for. Good work on them. But real quick, before we get into the show, I'm going to tell everybody where you fire podcast, you fire podcasts, Apple Podcast, Spotify, stitcher, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora, Iheartra Radio podcast, Castro Good pods. We're a number, number one ranked football podcast and so many more.
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Nobody's gonna leave your hot takes on Hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. We're not gonna listen to them right now, Kenny. But we get any hot takes yet?
[00:05:01] Kenny Thunder: At least one. I think our buddy Matt from Nashville tried to call and then he didn't leave a voicemail. So you gotta leave a voicemail. There was no actual voicemail. So Matt, if you're listening, give us a call back, let us know what your thoughts were after the game.
[00:05:13] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, we want your hot takes. 3302-2780-8133-0227-801-330, 2278-081330-22780.
Now we'll put those, those hot takes on the air on our Thursday show, which will be Friday this week. Yeah, yeah, we're recording a little late because I have a business trip and last thing here, get signed up for the Bernie Kozar autograph jersey giveaway. For the fourth year in a row, we're giving an some autograph. Brown's memorabilia away. This one's a big one. Bernie Kar.
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[00:05:59] Kenny Thunder: It is a Bernie Kosar jersey.
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[00:06:10] Kenny Thunder: Guys, Bones here.
[00:06:12] Ronnie Jams: Bones shout out to hippie picks who as soon as we started said Saturday night show. Let's go.
So, yeah, let's get into the week four recap here. The Cleveland Browns are in sole possession of first place in the division. You guys heard that, right?
[00:06:30] Kenny Thunder: We really did it.
[00:06:31] Ronnie Jams: We did it.
I. Should we just end the show? Is that it? Is that. That's all we need to say?
[00:06:38] The Big Bone Man: We did. We did it. We did it.
[00:06:40] Kenny Thunder: Oh, man.
Look, I think to start things off, I would just say this team has been. Was. Was really fun to watch Thursday night.
[00:06:51] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:06:51] Kenny Thunder: There's a very palpable energy with this group right now.
I don't know that, you know, DeSean Watson is the reason why or that that's the. He's responsible for this. I believe it's more to do with Todd Monken and just the way he's got these guys together right now. But
[00:07:08] Ronnie Jams: because going into the season, I mean, we all gave him a lot of crap because he was kind of the leftovers in the coaching pool.
And I didn't expect much out of him at all. And in. In four short weeks, he is. He's.
I think he's completely swung me, guys. Like, this team is playing like I've never seen a brownsteam play before.
[00:07:28] Kenny Thunder: They're just playing with so much raw emotion and energy that that makes the game fun again. So I'm looking forward to see where they can go from here.
But just, just a completely like, like it's a night and day from the energy this team brought last year.
[00:07:44] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
And so let's, let's go ahead and start on the offense, though.
We'll start with desean Watson, he's obviously the hot topic of the season so far.
24 of 33, 268 yards, one touchdown, one interception, two sacks for 8 yards, and he added seven rushes for 22 yards in this one.
I mean, this was a legitimately a good game. I know there was a bad mistake with the.
The interception was not a good interception by any means. It was. It was pretty bad. But overall, I thought that he picked his spots well when he was running the ball. He was. You're starting to push 300 yards now. Still not quite there, but you're starting to push 300 yards.
And I just thought that he was very efficient. 24 of 33 is. Is pretty darn good.
[00:08:31] Kenny Thunder: So, yeah, look, the first half, I don't think he could have played it any. Any better than he did.
And I.
I was.
As we're watching that, I'm thinking to myself, maybe this is. Maybe this is desean starting to turn the page. And let's see how much of this is sustainable, because for this team to really do anything this year and truly make some noise, it's going to have to be consistently good all year long.
And then kind of right on cue in the second half there, things slowed down for that offense quite a bit.
It was a little bit ugly there for a minute. But give DeShawn credit. Like, when the chips were down and they needed to make a drive at the end of the game, he made the throws. We even had Jerry Judy sightings all of a sudden, out of nowhere.
[00:09:13] Ronnie Jams: So the funniest part was midway through the game when it was. I think it was third quarter, Jerry Judy got his first catch. And then I think Shortly after that, DeShawn threw the interception. You're like, jerry Judy gets involved, and the whole thing goes to hell. Like, this is what happens.
[00:09:26] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, yeah. So. But look, I mean, you know, again, credit to Todd Monkin. Maybe he's got Jerry Judy now on the right page. Maybe. Maybe we're gonna start seeing more Jerry Judy.
Maybe they can turn that into something so this offense has weapons. And if desean keeps playing really well, then, you know, this team's gonna win quite a few games this year, I think. So contrary to what we all thought at the beginning of the year. And. And, yeah, I mean, you can shit on us now and be like, oh, you guys picked the. To lose, you know, ten or more games, like five and a half. So, yeah, no one expected this team to be very good.
[00:10:01] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. No, and kind of to your point here, the whole offense Was. Was playing fairly well. Quinch on Judkins. A better game this game, but still the. The average yards per carry is still down there. So we're still on Judkin's watch here, but 17 for 53. He did get a touchdown. He showed burst on a couple of them where I was like, okay, that's. That's a solid run.
But there's just. And again we. I go back to. I don't know if it's more on him or more on the. The line. I'm starting to lean more towards the line. Just from what I was seeing is he. He gets hit in the backfield far too often.
And it's. It's not everybody is Nick Chubb. You can't get out of that and gain three yards out of getting hit in the backfield.
[00:10:41] Kenny Thunder: Here's. So that was one of the big things I think that stuck out in this game was the running game was. Was better still. Probably not where they want it to be, but I think Bones had coming in is one of the keys or the skeleton key to the game was to get to 150 yards rushing.
And they didn't quite get there, but they had 112 or so on the day. So we eclipsed 100 yards.
[00:11:00] Ronnie Jams: So I think two touchdowns on the ground. So there was.
[00:11:03] Kenny Thunder: And two to two rushing touchdowns. So like the. The running game was at least a factor for the first time really all year.
So I think again, week over week, we're seeing improvement across all of these units. And now the running game is in the mix as well. I think where I'm at with Quinshawn at this point, I think he caught six passes for 40, so 43 or 45 yards.
I like him in space. I think he's plenty good enough as an athlete.
I think it's purely about scheme at this point and blocking concepts and getting holes for this guy to run through. So I feel a lot better after this week about Q.
And hopefully they just continue to build on the success they had this week. And that running game really starts to be an asset for them, especially especially down the stretch when they're trying to close out games.
[00:11:53] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
And then the receivers are. The young receivers looked good again. Boston had four for 89, Concepcion had five for 64.
And they both got. They got seven and eight targets respectively. So, I mean, that's. That's.
Your rookies are taking. Taking the mantle of wide receiver one and two. They're not even missing a beat.
[00:12:15] Kenny Thunder: So I think they're the top Two rookies in the NFL by receiving yard to this point in the season.
[00:12:21] Ronnie Jams: Before this game, I know Boston was at 1 and Concepcion was at like 4. But that may have changed in this game, like after the game. I'm not sure.
[00:12:30] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, we need to find one.
[00:12:32] The Big Bone Man: I think we saw Isaiah Bond for the first time for like one catch for two yards, and we never saw him again.
[00:12:37] Ronnie Jams: There was a sighting.
[00:12:40] The Big Bone Man: I don't know. It's just. It's kind of bizarre from last year, from Jerry Judy to Isaiah Bond and then those. Those two rookies have just completely taken over.
[00:12:47] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, well, it's. It is crazy that. That just in the draft, they completely. Like you say, oh, it's just two receivers, but it's completely overhauled the entire wide receiver core.
But yeah, those guys were phenomenal in this one. Again, like you said, Quin Sean, 6 for 43 on top of his 53 yards rushing.
So just. Yeah, the offense did fairly well. Desean Watson, he did have two fumbles in this one. He got one of them back. He lost the other one.
So there is room for improvement there. Even though he played efficiently and he played fairly well, he took care of the ball a little bit less than he did in previous games.
[00:13:25] Kenny Thunder: He did put the ball on the ground on that final drive right before the kick, but was called down so.
[00:13:30] The Big Bone Man: Well, he took. He took. He took a really bad sack there, too, which we haven't really addressed. But, I mean, we still made the kick. But I mean, desean even said it in the post game. He's like, I made it a little harder on my team. Yeah.
[00:13:42] Ronnie Jams: So he knew it. And no pass there. I mean, it definitely was a bad. I mean, that's.
It almost killed it, but, you know,
[00:13:50] Kenny Thunder: and probably the worst there were the night outside of the pick was the miss to Harold Fannin that could have closed out the game wide open.
[00:13:59] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:13:59] Kenny Thunder: When he was wide open there. So threw it behind him. Still work to do, right. Look, nobody's perfect. I think the expectations are high because of the contract and what we expected we were going to get with Deshaun Watson.
[00:14:10] Ronnie Jams: So there's no but.
[00:14:14] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I mean, but I'm happy he
[00:14:16] Ronnie Jams: played well enough to win the game.
[00:14:17] Kenny Thunder: I think where I'm at with desean at this point is it's kind of like, look, the rest of this team is really fun to watch right now, so I'm enjoying watching the Browns. I think where I'm at with the Sean is it's kind of like going back and watching old Kevin Spacey movies. Like, you can enjoy the movie for what it is knowing, like, the guy is probably not a very good dude. Right. Like, that's like, that's kind of where I'm at with it. Like, if you go back and watch House of Cards now, like,
[00:14:44] Ronnie Jams: I enjoyed this, but I don't know if I should.
Yeah, I really enjoyed this, but I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
Yeah, I mean, I'm right there with you. I feel like a pit in my stomach that he's our quarterback, but at the same time, I'm happy the Cleveland Browns as a team are winning. So.
[00:15:03] The Big Bone Man: Yeah.
[00:15:03] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[00:15:04] The Big Bone Man: And you guys already touched on a Sean a little bit. I haven't said much, but his, his feet, I feel like in this game were phenomenal. Just, just getting out of the pocket, evading sacks and then keeping his eyes downfield and finding an open receiver and then you already touched on it all. I'll accept the, the, the miss on Harold Fanning, like when he was out in space and he was, he was making, making plays. So.
[00:15:26] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:27] The Big Bone Man: What'd I say?
[00:15:28] Ronnie Jams: Fanning.
[00:15:30] Kenny Thunder: Fanning.
[00:15:32] Ronnie Jams: But yeah, the other, the other thing you mentioned it, Bone. His feet were a lot better. I actually texted during the game and I was. There was one play in particular where he got kind of just everything collapsed in around him in the pocket, and he took a kind of a stutter step out to. Out to the right and he stiff armed. I think it was T.J. watt, if I'm not mistaken. And it gave him space enough to be able to roll out to the right and complete a short pass. And I was like, that, that was a real move. Like that was.
[00:15:59] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, so that was an important drag. I mean, they were in the red zone or threatening at that point, I mean, going down to score. So it was a really good play. I think he actually went back to back two plays with his feet on that same drive.
And yeah, I mean, look, he's, he's, he's at least not the deficit that he was previously. Right? I mean, we watched this guy for the last couple of years be really, really bad in every imaginable way. And right now he's at least playing, you know, adequate football to above average football. And, you know, that's all you can really hope for. I think, you know, we alluded to this a little bit on last week's show, which is like, look, as this team continues to ascend, he may at some point be the piece that becomes what's holding them back. And I guess we'll deal with that when we come to that crossroads. But, like, I don't know that he's. He's the. The long term answer or the best quarterback for the Cleveland Browns going forward, but right now they're winning games, so you play the hot hand and we continue to see how this thing plays out.
[00:16:56] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Our buddy James Frank over on Facebook said it's so funny because it's true. This is how Steelers fans felt loving Big Ben for so long, but they never questioned their allegiance.
[00:17:06] Kenny Thunder: True.
[00:17:06] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, we love the Browns.
[00:17:08] The Big Bone Man: We.
[00:17:08] Ronnie Jams: We don't know if we love our quarter. It's not even that we don't know we don't love our quarter.
[00:17:14] The Big Bone Man: But.
[00:17:15] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. I can tell you, though, that the,
[00:17:16] Kenny Thunder: the broadcast team did a lot of heavy lifting for desean in terms of image rehabilitation during the game Thursday night. I mean, they kind of stayed away from anything that was, you know, all the, the really gnarly, negative stuff, kind of kept that out of their mouths and talked a lot more about the redemption arc that he's on. And.
And we're kind of almost baiting the fans into to liking the guy.
[00:17:37] The Big Bone Man: Right.
[00:17:37] Kenny Thunder: I mean, we've kind of all turned this in now to this redemption story for a guy that still never showed any remorse about anything. But. But here we are, he's at least playing good football, which apparently in 2026 buys you a free pass. So.
[00:17:50] Ronnie Jams: Of course, of course.
James Frank had a couple other things to add. He said one, talking about, you said everybody can call us out on our record predictions, but that's what everybody is saying. He said, I. I said 10 and 7 before the season. Hopefully we hold it together. Of course you did, James. Of course.
[00:18:11] Kenny Thunder: He certainly did.
[00:18:12] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Angry Bobby did.
No, I believe you, James. I really do. And then his other one was, how great was it seeing AA Ron and McCarthy go at it?
Yeah, I mean, it was that whole second quarter when the Browns just were pouring it on for a little bit. It could do no wrong. It seemed like every bounce was going our way. Everything was happening right for us. And you got Aaron Rodgers yelling at McCarthy, McCarthy calling him an effing on the sideline.
And then you got TJ Watt coming off the field stealing a headset and saying, what the hell are we doing?
[00:18:46] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[00:18:46] Ronnie Jams: It was about as good of a quarter as ever seen played against the Steelers by the Cleveland Browns.
[00:18:53] Kenny Thunder: Got some dysfunction going on there for sure. I mean, they're probably about to hit rock bottom because it doesn't look like anybody's Getting along.
But look, this is one of those weird things, right? I think I had texted you guys during the game that it was almost like whatever the fortunes were for the Browns for the last 25 years, like all of a sudden we've had this reversal because it almost seems like every bounce is going, is going our way. Whoops, I hit my computer there. It almost seems like they're getting every break. I mean, even going back to the Tampa Bay game. Right. Like the, the rain starts falling down during their final drive, making it really hard to throw the Carolina game. All their receivers get wiped out. Team of Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh literally can't even get plays called because Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers are calling each other names. TJ Watts calling the booth on the sidelines, yelling at people like there's, it's just dysfunction. But it's, it's all stuff that worked in the Browns favor.
[00:19:47] The Big Bone Man: So that's a shout out to the crowd there at the, on Thursday night, how loud they were. I think Rogers even addressed that it was like one of the loudest games he's ever been in or something.
Which is kind of cool to hear, you know.
[00:19:57] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Well, and like I, I, I was at the game before that and not that it was anywhere near, I'm sure what the Thursday night crowd was, especially being that that was against the Steelers. But I told you guys, like, it was.
I, when a couple times during that game when Nick Chubb came out and then is, is, is. I know it didn't last, but when Shador Sanders came out for that one play, it was like the loudest I've ever heard the stadium. So I know crowd, the home crowd is still in it early in the season right now. Like they're ready to, ready to go.
[00:20:25] Kenny Thunder: We've always known this is the best fan base in sports. The problem is we haven't had anything to cheer about for two and a half decades.
[00:20:32] Ronnie Jams: Don't remind us.
James said one more thing. Emmanuel McNeil. Warren is going to be a dog. Yeah, Yeah, I agree with that. The, the big hit. That was the bang, bang play. And they tried to call the flag.
[00:20:44] Kenny Thunder: Oh, yeah.
[00:20:45] Ronnie Jams: And then they were like, just kidding. That was all good.
[00:20:47] Kenny Thunder: Like, couldn't have timed it any better.
[00:20:49] Ronnie Jams: He's. Yeah, he's really good. He's a ball hawk. Like I haven't seen in a long time for the Cleveland Browns. Besides, I, I guess I can't say, like I haven't seen because, you know, we, we do have cars in Swezinger, but it's ball Hawk in a different way. Like, Warren's a safety. Like, he's just, he, he's coming downhill and he's getting after it from that, that, you know, that center field spot.
[00:21:12] Kenny Thunder: I guess we're, we're more accustomed to seeing good performances on defense. Over the last two and a half decades, we've had some players come through, right? I mean, you're Joe Hayden'.
You know, Ward's been here for some time now, so, like, we, we have had some players on defense.
[00:21:26] Ronnie Jams: She's the same problems over and over again. We have a really, really good defense and pretty poor offense. We can't score points.
[00:21:32] The Big Bone Man: Yeah.
[00:21:32] Kenny Thunder: Scoring points. That's half of the game. Probably a good segue there. To talk about defense.
[00:21:37] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, defense played, I thought, really well in this one. Overall, Aaron Rodgers, I look that dude, as much as I think he is. He has definitely lost a lot of. He put up 300 yards against us, and he just kept coming back and coming back and coming back.
[00:21:55] Kenny Thunder: I was surprised because he looked really bad. Like, just, just the eye test right during the game. Missing open guys, like throwing balls in the dirt look a lot like Sean Watson.
And I was surprised at his stat line at the end of the game because he did put it together. I mean, obviously they mounted a comeback there and made things interesting at the end, but.
But he looks, you know, is probably the lowest level of football that we've seen Aaron Rodgers play ever.
[00:22:18] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, we did give up 93 rush yards to Jalen Warren for five and a half yards per carry. So that, that wasn't good. But I think the biggest thing that we're seeing out of this Cleveland Browns team, which is different than, like, you know, obviously we had a really good defense last year, but we couldn't score points. I think the biggest different difference to this year's defense is they're way more opportunistic. You see on, like, third downs, we. We dial up some good rushes and we get after the quarterback. It seemed like the. Every sack that we had in this game couldn't have come at a more perfect time.
[00:22:53] Kenny Thunder: Well, it does feel like they're running a lot more zone. It felt like Jim Schwartz was a lot more, you know, man up and bring pressure frequently, and they're still doing a lot of that because they have the guys to do it. But it does feel like we're sitting back in zone a little more and playing a little better in coverage, more yards.
[00:23:10] Ronnie Jams: But you, you maybe.
[00:23:11] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, but you don't also give up the big play. So I think that's worked out well for them, at least to this point in the year. This game, I think, was the best game for. From the defense all year to this point. So again, week over week improvement, I thought it was really good. I think they got to Aaron Rodgers five times, they put him on the ground.
[00:23:26] Ronnie Jams: Yep. Five sacks for 30 yards, so that's
[00:23:30] Kenny Thunder: great pressure, especially considering Mason Graham went down early and. Who else? There was somebody else that came out of the game. My call, Mike hall came out of the game for a while, so for them to be shuffling guys and still getting pressure all game long, I thought was. Was a really huge step in the right direction. And it looks like some of these young DBs are kind of coming along too.
[00:23:50] The Big Bone Man: Right.
[00:23:50] Kenny Thunder: Like they're going to be victimized at times because not everybody can be. Denzel Ward, but. But I, you know, Emmanuel McNeil Warren, like some of these young guys. Miles Harden, like some of these guys are making plays even if they're not the best defender on the field at any given time.
[00:24:05] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. And I think.
I think Emmanuel McNeil Warren, I think we're getting to the point where it's almost time to let him off the leash. I think he's. He's young, so they were kind of easing him in. I know I talked about it last week, how it seems like every week we see more and more of him, and this is the most I've seen him all season. Yeah. So I think that's going to continue. I think he's working his way into just being the top guy back there at safety. You'll see a flip here soon. Him and. Him and Ronnie Hickman are splitting time at free safety. Right.
I think that's gonna play well this
[00:24:34] Kenny Thunder: year too, though, so.
[00:24:35] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, he has, but I still think he's. That's gonna flip, and I think that McNeil Warren is going to be the top guy and Ronnie Hickman will be the one that's spelling him. So.
But yeah, I mean, you mentioned it. With the sacks we got Malik Collins with one, Aiden Huntington with one, Isaiah McGuire with one, Sam Williams with one, and Mike Hall Jr. With one.
Mason Graham's streak comes to an end because of the injury.
However, I know the initial reports were that it came back and it's less severe than they thought it would be. There hasn't been anything since there. They. I know that they said they were getting second and possibly even third opinions, but they said the initial review of the injury comes back, that it's not.
[00:25:18] The Big Bone Man: He.
[00:25:19] Ronnie Jams: He. He avoided anything serious.
[00:25:21] Kenny Thunder: Look, There's a lot of things that can derail a good season and depth is one of them. So yeah, you know, hopefully it's these guys on the D front can, can get healthy, stay healthy all year long because they're going to need them, they're going to need these guys because you don't win a lot of games if all your, if you're, if you're front four are constantly being churned and injured.
Yeah, a couple things that I wanted to point out too, just about the defensive effort.
One, Denzel Ward, I thought had a really nice game. Loved some early testing with DK Metcalf early where they were trying to kind of force him. The ball thought they had a match up.
[00:25:56] Ronnie Jams: Word is apparently timeless. Like he's just like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't age. And he looks like he's like 22 when he's in his interview at the end of the game, I'm like, what is, who is this guy?
[00:26:04] Kenny Thunder: And he came away with a pick, so love that for him. And I was really impressed, especially towards the end of the game when they were trying to get the mismatch with the big tight end with Darnell Washington because that's a mismatch for everybody on the field. There's nobody that's 6 foot 8. So the, the fact that those little guys were to play him tough and you know, force, force the issue and drag out that game, the did I thought was just really, really impressive because that's. It's hard, right? I mean, I think if I'm Mark Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, I do the same thing. Take the guy that's the big tree on the field and just keep tossing the ball up in the air because who's going to stop him?
[00:26:40] Ronnie Jams: And every single person that goes up against him, all they think is scariest environment imaginable. That's all you say, scariest environment imaginable. Yeah.
[00:26:47] Kenny Thunder: It is Armageddon.
[00:26:48] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
And then was it Grant Delpon at the end of the game, came up with the game ceiling pick. So.
[00:26:54] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was sketchy because they kicked the, the, the touchback and so they're giving the ball the 35 and you're only up a field goal. So.
And 10 seconds and a timeout left on the clock. Like they could have definitely. If they complete that pass, you're going to extra minutes. So.
[00:27:11] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
And actually now that you mentioned the la. The, the very end sequence of events there, let's bring it back to when we kick the field goal. And, I mean, I don't know, Kenny. You weren't watching because you were on your way to the hospital. But Bone, when. When Schmidt came out, I mean, it was like that feel like we talked about this last week, Kenny, and it's like, ah, this feels like the spot.
[00:27:33] The Big Bone Man: Like.
[00:27:33] Ronnie Jams: Like we're gonna finally miss one. Like, Schmidt's gonna. He's gonna miss one. Actually, that one would have been the one I'm like, I mean, can you blame him? It was from 56 yards.
[00:27:42] The Big Bone Man: Well, yeah, and you were coming off of the. The. The bad sack that desean just took. So it was kind of like a little bit of a momentum shift where it's just like, all right, we just made it a little bit harder.
[00:27:50] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:27:51] The Big Bone Man: And if he misses this kick, they're.
[00:27:53] Ronnie Jams: They're already in. Field goal.
[00:27:54] The Big Bone Man: Yeah, they're right there. They're 50, 55 yards away from the end zone.
[00:27:57] Ronnie Jams: So, yeah.
Yeah, it was. It was a little scary. And never.
[00:28:02] The Big Bone Man: Any question.
[00:28:03] Ronnie Jams: No.
[00:28:03] The Big Bone Man: Well.
[00:28:03] Ronnie Jams: And I loved. After the game, they were. When they did interview Desean and DeShawn, they asked him. They said, what was going through your head on that last drive? And he said, well, I talked to Schmidt before the. Before we went out there. I said, where do you need me to get you to? He said, get me to the 40 or the 42. We're good to go. And he's like, okay, I'll do it. And he was right there. He was literally right there. That was where he was in. That kick would have been good from, like, 74. Like, that was the stupidest kick I've ever seen.
[00:28:31] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, it was a good boot.
Obviously. Again, I was driving at the time, so I missed it in real time. But when I did go back and watch it, and had I been watching it in real time, I would have had a grave level of concern, because I remember just a week ago, there was a point in the game where they were talking about potentially having to set up a long kick for Schmidt.
[00:28:49] The Big Bone Man: And.
[00:28:49] Kenny Thunder: And the commentators remarked at that time that he hadn't hit anything in warmups from 56 or 57 yards. So whatever that that number was, apparently he was struggling with the week before.
So, you know, good on him for putting it through, staying clean on the year. Look, again, we gave that guy a hard time when he first came on. He had some early. Really early struggles, but has been lights out ever since. So, you know, hopefully this guy that can continue to keep it together. We know the kicker position in the NFL is fickle, and we see these guys that get streaky and maybe have some. Some. Some str and end up unemployed, but hopefully he can be, you know, a good kicker for a long time for this team.
[00:29:27] Ronnie Jams: Yep. Real quick, James over on Facebook. Verse may not be putting up big stats, but damn, his energy is great. Jarvis Landry would be proud.
Agreed. However, when he brought in Jared Verse, you don't. He's. He's not just supposed to be the energy guy. He's also supposed to put up stats is all I would say on that. And not that, you know, we're winning, the defense is playing well, but I would like to see more out of Jared Verse. He's been awfully quiet this season.
Not verbally, just like, stat wise.
[00:29:55] The Big Bone Man: Yeah, yeah, stat wise for sure. But he's. He's definitely a piece. Just. Just his energy.
[00:30:00] Ronnie Jams: And I would agree with that.
[00:30:01] The Big Bone Man: The pressure, the pressure rate and everything. I think it all kind of ties into that whole D line and. And the success they've been having.
I mean, obviously he's not Myles Garrett, but team. Team wise, I mean, five different guys getting sacks in one game is. Is something we probably haven't seen.
You know, Miles Garrett, team.
[00:30:20] Ronnie Jams: Right. And that's exactly what they kind of what the coaches said all during the off season, they're like, look, it's going to look different, but we promise we're still going to get a ton of pressure, we're going to get to the quarterback and we're going to be disruptive. And that's exactly what it's been so far.
[00:30:34] Kenny Thunder: And I think that's the most important perspective to keep is just that he's not Myles Garrett.
[00:30:39] The Big Bone Man: Right.
[00:30:40] Kenny Thunder: Like, it's hard to keep that. He's just a different person. And Miles is. I think Kirk Herbstream at one point said during the broadcast, like, he's just on such a universally different level, like, type of player in a different echelon that no one else is. Is in.
So it's really hard. And look, I almost feel bad for the guy because he's going to draw that comparison for as long as he's in Cleveland because he replaced Miles Garrett. So. And it's just. It's just not a fair comparison to even make.
But I think the best thing we can hope for is, like, he continues to be effective at creating pressure and continues to up opportunities for other guys. Right. And I think as long as we're getting pressure at the end of the day and quarterbacks are hitting the dirt, those are good things for the Browns and whoever they come from. They come from. But it would be nice if. If Verse was consistently an 11, 12, 13 sack guy, but that just may not be the case. Yeah, he was entirely terrifying during the pregame. My wife was watching the pregame, and she was like, why is that guy yelling and so angry? And I was like, that's Jared Vers. That's the guy.
[00:31:47] Ronnie Jams: He's football ready to go.
[00:31:51] The Big Bone Man: He's. He's chippy, too. I mean, I feel like all the Steelers players are hating him.
[00:31:56] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:58] The Big Bone Man: It was nice. It brought some excitement.
[00:31:59] Ronnie Jams: It is funny. Like you think about it. And what was our biggest complaint with Miles the entire time he was here?
[00:32:05] Kenny Thunder: Well, just that he wasn't the rah,
[00:32:06] The Big Bone Man: rah, rah, rah guy.
[00:32:07] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't vocal. He wasn't the vocal leader we wanted him to be. And now Jared Verse is all of that. And maybe doesn't have the raw skill that Miles Garrett does, because nobody does, but he's more of a T. He gets the entire team involved, and I
[00:32:23] Kenny Thunder: doesn't have the raw skill yet. Yeah, maybe he'll get there.
[00:32:26] Ronnie Jams: That's fine. Yeah. Well, yeah, well, maybe. But no, I. I think the point is it's very rare.
Even as great as Miles Garrett is, it's very rare to get the whole package.
And so maybe, maybe, like, the fact that he is such a vocal leader and he is able to get the team up and playing well is just as valuable as what Miles Garrett brought to the table for the Cleveland Browns.
[00:32:49] Kenny Thunder: Well, and again, I think this is important to reiterate, which is, look, Miles losing Miles sucks. He's a generational talent. It was really, really good. And how long was he in Cleveland? Seven, eight years, whatever it was, nine years, however long.
You didn't do a lot of winning
[00:33:04] Ronnie Jams: one playoff game that we didn't do
[00:33:06] Kenny Thunder: a lot of winning. And so, you know, I don't know that it's. You're going to ever go, like, definitively and say, like, oh, Andrew Barry won the trade, but I think we were talking a little bit off air beforehand. Right. Which is, what are the things that were different from last year to this year? Because the energy and the way this team looks as a cohesive unit is so very different.
I'm not saying that Miles Garrett was the. Was the problem. I think Bowen mentioned that before we jumped on the air here, which is, look, clearly there was issues with Kevin Stefanski. Maybe Miles. The fact that he wasn't maybe the leader that he could have been was Part of just the culture and what was ingrained here, and maybe it was a part of what was a little bit of what was broken.
So, you know, it's. It's like anybody else that's new that's coming into an organization. Like, sometimes fresh eyes just give you a different. Totally different perspective.
And maybe he's that guy. Maybe that's his contribution. In place of 23 sacks, it's, hey, I'm getting these guys lined up, right? I'm getting these guys fired up for the game, and I'm creating opportunities for others and less worried about myself.
[00:34:08] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, just to. Go ahead, Bone.
[00:34:11] The Big Bone Man: No, I was just. I was just agreeing that's. I didn't have much to say, but.
[00:34:14] Ronnie Jams: Okay. Wow, man. A few words.
No, I was just gonna say I. To comment on one or the other. I know you said. You're not saying that it was miles.
I'll actually take that a step further. And I think it was almost solely Stefanski. I think, you know, we had been preaching since early on that Stefanski was not the guy. That even when we were playing well, they didn't seem to get excited about anything. They weren't. They weren't up and kind of nobody had each other's backs. Like, it felt very.
What's the word? They were, like, disconnected from each other. It was just like, yeah, we. We play football together.
You hear all kinds of stories right now about things they're doing after practice.
What was the one you just pulled up today, Kenny?
[00:35:02] The Big Bone Man: The.
[00:35:02] Ronnie Jams: All the. They were the special teams.
[00:35:05] Kenny Thunder: Special teams unit that came in the denim, head to toe to the game.
[00:35:08] Ronnie Jams: It's all things that don't seem very important when you see them on the surface. But when you think about it, you put it all together like, this team loves each other. Like, there's a ton of camaraderie on this team, and it's something we haven't seen in a really long time in Cleveland. And I think that's what. As much as I never thought I'd be saying it, especially this early, I think that's what Todd Monken brings to the table, is he just gets them and he understands how to connect with his team and get them to buy into everything they're doing together to win games.
[00:35:39] Kenny Thunder: And I think that, again, whether it's a football team, a business, really any organization, the people inside of it become a reflection of their leadership. And I think what we saw out of the Cleveland Browns under Stefanski was the coach speak. Like, you know, the. Just the methodical still see like in Atlanta, we're going to do it. And now you do have a guy in Todd Monkin who got on, you know, last week and was like f that and then, you know, this week was, was cussing during the post game show again.
[00:36:10] Ronnie Jams: Postgame show. My favorite thing of that he said as a coach of the Cleveland Browns to this point was the first thing they asked him when he got on the post game show is they said, hey coach, you know, you know, a lot of good things happened for you guys today. What was the biggest stat that stuck out to you?
And he grabbed their iPad. Turn it around. He said this one 27, 24. Because we won. That's what, that's. Isn't that what it's all about?
And I'm just like, thank you. Like we don't need to be talking about how we can improve here. We need to be better with our fundamentals or we need to do this, like just win the damn game. That's all we want.
We don't care how you get there. If you win, we're going to be happy.
[00:36:48] Kenny Thunder: I'm gonna backpedal a little bit here off of hippie picks because I don't want to go full where we have our Phil Jackson. But. But look, we're trending in the right direction right now.
Phil Jackson's probably a little more praise than Todd Monkey deserves at the moment, but.
But early returns are positive.
[00:37:06] The Big Bone Man: Right?
[00:37:09] Ronnie Jams: Hippie. I like you went from.
In the comments here. You went from. Wait a minute. I remember asking you guys about him. You said you weren't sure which was true. I have to point that out. First, you were. We were low on, on Monken coming in. He was the leftovers. I mean, let's all be honest. It's not, it's not like that.
I'm not even like nobody else was chasing after. Nobody else wanted him. Literally it took three guys dropping out of our coaching search for us to land on him. So like nobody wanted him.
But with that being said, your next one was. I don't want to get my hopes up because they're the Browns. But the keep the streak up or will we see a lawsuit? We're going to see a lawsuit because it's the NFL.
I hope they get to five. I don't know if you guys all saw that floating around, but we're the only team since the PlayStation 1 came out that doesn't have five game win streak in any major sport, both male and female. I'm pretty sure, like in any sport, we're the only team that doesn't have a five game win streak.
So I hope they get to five. But to answer your question, it's coming soon. And yes, it was all, I think it was mostly Stefanski. And no, I think it's way too early to say we've got our Phil Jackson to bring it on just out
[00:38:23] Kenny Thunder: of the next five games. I mean you've got New York, Baltimore, Tennessee, Pittsburgh again and New Orleans all here before the buy. New York is not a very good football team. Tennessee is not a very good football team. New Orleans isn't a great football team. We beat Pittsburgh already in Baltimore. Honestly, we don't know what Baltimore is because we've seen them be hot and cold so far this year. So this team has a real chance before the buy to put themselves in a really strong position and win a lot of games.
I think a lot of that hinges on two things. One, does this team continue to improve week over week like we've already seen to this point, but that has to continue. And two, does desean Watson consistently keep it together? Because we know how bad it can get. We've seen it and I think there's been inklings of like hey, desean maybe is lost confidence here for a drive or two or things just weren't quite right.
And we know those things can spiral. So.
But if those two things continue to move in the right direction, this team can, can win a lot of those next five games.
[00:39:25] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, you mentioned the next three games are Jets, Ravens, Titans. The jets and the Titans are both ass. If they beat both of them and beat the Ravens in between that, I think the rest of Cleveland will probably agree with you. Hippie picks. I think we found our Phil Jackson.
[00:39:44] The Big Bone Man: Yeah,
[00:39:47] Ronnie Jams: I don't know what would that be? That would be a 5, 6 game win streak and that's just unheard of.
[00:39:53] Kenny Thunder: Not here.
[00:39:55] The Big Bone Man: Yeah, like just, just contrasting game one with. With our last three games is just you, you have to hand it to Todd Monken because something changed, something's different and he, he kept the team together. And I would have said the locker room was lost and the season was over after that first game. And I think a lot of thing.
[00:40:15] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, that was about as bad as I've ever seen a Browns team in both on the field and just body language off the field every. It's about as bad as I've seen the Browns look ever after that first game.
[00:40:28] The Big Bone Man: Yeah, so.
[00:40:30] Ronnie Jams: But yeah, so I mean that's the game. Big injury in this one. Mason Jar Graham, as Kenny has nicknamed him
[00:40:39] The Big Bone Man: so wide mouth or.
[00:40:41] Ronnie Jams: Oh, I don't know.
[00:40:42] Kenny Thunder: Definitely a wide mouth. Yeah, that guy can eat.
[00:40:46] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
So we'll keep an eye on that. We'll see. Hopefully when we do our show for next week, we have a much better update on that.
But, yeah, I mean, that's basically the recap here. What do we got here?
Hey, it could happen.
Yeah. So the next thing up here, Burger Sportscast, Dog of the Week.
We gotta do our nominees for dog of the Week.
I already called Andre Schmidt. I caught him immediately when the game, when he hit his field goal, I said, I got him. Nobody else can have him. So Andre Schmidt is my dog of the week. Dude's perfect on the season. And he had a 56 yarder to win on Thursday Night Football on prime time. I mean, he's a dog bone.
[00:41:29] Kenny Thunder: Who's your next.
[00:41:30] Ronnie Jams: Who's your dog of the week?
[00:41:32] The Big Bone Man: I'm going Denzel, as. As. As coach Monk and said in the press game or the. The locker room after the game, he said that play completely altered, you know, kind of the momentum of the game. So. And that interception was just so sick. The way he turned from kind of his left and then spun around and just immediately intercepted the ball. I just. That was so cool to see. Like you said, he's timeless still. He's. He's moving like he's 22 years old still.
[00:41:55] Ronnie Jams: So, I mean, if we get a few more years like this out of him, the window might be, you know, wider than we thought.
[00:42:01] The Big Bone Man: Yeah, he's impressive. He's impressive. And quarterbacks still just. They don't even throw the ball towards him.
[00:42:06] Ronnie Jams: You know, they do a couple times at the beginning of the game. And they learn.
[00:42:09] The Big Bone Man: Yeah, they learn pretty quickly.
[00:42:10] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Kenny, who you got?
[00:42:13] Kenny Thunder: I'm gonna go Q I that, you know, again, not a great yards per carry average. But look, the running game was. Was adequate. Right. So 53 yards a touchdown. But I thought almost more important was what he did through the air. Six catches, 43.
I just thought he was a big part of, you know, how this offense was able to move the ball on Thursday. And, you know, I like to see just the improvement.
[00:42:39] The Big Bone Man: Right.
[00:42:40] Kenny Thunder: We haven't seen him be a factor much to this point in the season and thought he had a nice game out there.
[00:42:46] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. I'm gonna give Carson Schwerzinger a honorable mention. He won't be on the graphic, but it's the first time all year he hasn't made it. Still had nine tackles and was all over the place. Yeah, I Just felt like we had to shout him out.
[00:42:58] Kenny Thunder: There's a lot of guys on that defense that you probably could have shout out. Right. I thought Tyson Campbell had a really great game. Grant Delpit, obviously, with the pick at the end of the game. Ronnie Hickman, I thought, had another strong game. Malik Collins felt like he was disruptive up front, especially with all the turnover on the defensive line.
So you could probably pick a lot of guys off this defense for this game.
But. But yeah, honorable mentions all around.
[00:43:21] Ronnie Jams: Yep.
And so we'll. We'll start with Kenny. Final thoughts this week?
[00:43:28] Kenny Thunder: Final thoughts.
I. I guess, like I go back to my Kevin Spacey comment, right. It's like, I think that's what we're at right now is we're watching. We're watching a movie. It's entertaining. We'll see how far this goes. And I think for the fans that maybe don't like desean that much and really can't get on the bandwagon, I think it's just, you know, try to separate him himself from the Browns and just call him QB1. Right. And let's, let's enjoy how long we can stretch this out. Let's get some wins. Let's get the. Keep the vibes good. Continue to watch these young guys grow.
A lot of. It's going to be a lot of fun, I think.
And probably the one thing that turns that fun off is when and if desean ever starts to play poorly again. And you know, I think that the, the leash is probably still short if he has a couple of back to back, like really poor performances to where we might see a. But certainly early in the season, it's bought him some time. It's bought him some time. It's bought him some trust, I think with this coaching staff.
And I think we're going to be watching Deshaun Watson play a lot of football this year for the Browns, but it's just a matter of like, kind of is what it is at this point. And we'll see. We'll have to see how this whole thing plays out.
[00:44:42] Ronnie Jams: Bone. Final thoughts.
[00:44:45] The Big Bone Man: This is a fun season. I, after that first game, like I said, it was just. It was very hopeless. I was like, this is going to be the worst Brown season maybe we've ever seen. And we've.
[00:44:57] Ronnie Jams: After these last couple.
[00:44:58] The Big Bone Man: Oh, and these last three weeks have been fun to watch. It's like the first week you're watching it or the second week after the first loss, you know, against. Against Baker. I'm a Baker fan. So it's kind of like, you know, you want him to do well, but you wanted the Browns to win, but you're like, I still don't like desean.
And, you know, the second game you're kind of like, I feel better now. Like, I'm a Browns fan still. Like, I'm feeling good about the win.
And then after this one, you're just. I'm just all in now because it's just like we're winning games. The team looks great, and I love our defense. I love our new receivers.
Our tight end, Harold Fannin.
[00:45:31] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, there you go.
[00:45:32] Kenny Thunder: He did it.
[00:45:33] Ronnie Jams: He did it.
[00:45:34] The Big Bone Man: It's just been fun. I'm. I'm a fan of Todd Monkin. I'm impressed with what he's done. So I'm excited to see, you know, what the rest of the season brings, and I hope desean can continue to. To improve and get back to his former self, hopefully. So,
[00:45:51] Ronnie Jams: Bones, final thought is that he loves the Browns tight ends.
No, I agree with all of that, but it has been a crazy turnaround from just how I felt that first game.
My final thought is, is I've already talked about it throughout this episode, but I just want to reiterate is that I think it's. I. I'm been completely flipped on Todd Monk, and I think he's a good coach. I think.
I know it's still early. A lot can go wrong the rest of the season. But the fact that we go from where we were preseason, let alone the first game, but where we were preseason and how almost like disengaged we were because we were like, oh, God, this is going to be terrible to where we are now.
To be able to have that turnaround and have this team playing together as well as they are in that short a time frame is just phenomenal. You don't see that a lot in the NFL. Typically, you kind of. Regardless of what the media tries to tell you, you're Mary Kay Cabot's of the world, and everybody else had to get my shot in her, on her, in, into the episode. But regardless of what they're telling you, you could usually see it on the field, like when they come out on Sundays or even in the preseason when they come out for the games, you could see it like, is this team together?
Do they play well together, whatever the case may be? And early on, we didn't see any of that. So night and day, from start of training camp to where we're at right now, and for him to bring the team together that quickly is awesome. So I like Todd Monkin. He may be getting pretty old, but I hope we keep him around for a while.
[00:47:27] Kenny Thunder: Can I issue a final, final thought?
[00:47:29] The Big Bone Man: Sure.
[00:47:31] Kenny Thunder: Agree with everything you said. Right. I think, you know, again, early returns on Todd Monkin are good. And I don't want to be Debbie Downer here. I don't want to play that card. But just for some perspective, Kevin Stefanski want to coach of the year awards here.
[00:47:47] The Big Bone Man: Yeah.
[00:47:47] Kenny Thunder: So let's try to continue to start 3 and 1. Let's continue to remain objective. I think they did in 20, 23 or 22. It was just.
[00:47:58] Ronnie Jams: I didn't fact check. Check it, Bones. A fact checker.
[00:48:02] Kenny Thunder: But I just again, like, let's. Let's maybe hold off on Prisoner of the Moment right now. It's been four games and it's been good, and I'm enjoying what I'm watching, but I don't want to fall head over.
[00:48:12] Ronnie Jams: He's downer.
[00:48:13] Kenny Thunder: I don't want to fall head over heels in love with this guy and then find out towards the end of the season, like, gosh, now we all look really dumb because this did not go well.
[00:48:22] The Big Bone Man: Don't tell me who I can and can't love.
[00:48:24] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, you can love whoever you want, but there was a lot of people that. Look, I think the fact that Kevin's early returns were so, so good and so positive were part of the reason we could not get away from him for so long. And look what that damage did to this organization because he had so much success early that it was like, well, maybe that's still in there. Let's keep trying to pick at it and pick at it and pick at it until we just couldn't anymore. But you had to at least run it out and see it.
[00:48:50] The Big Bone Man: Right.
[00:48:50] Kenny Thunder: We couldn't just make that decision and make a clean break and find a guy like Todd Monkin because we had to, you know, run its course with Kevin Stefanski.
[00:48:58] Ronnie Jams: Because I will give you this.
[00:49:00] Kenny Thunder: Everybody likes Stefanski. Look, even coming into this year, there were a lot of people that were still maybe on the fence about town. Monk. And because they liked Kevin Stefanski, Stefan. We've had some of the people that we've interviewed this year that still liked Kevin Stefanski. So, you know, just. That's. That's my final. Final thought is objectivity, I think, is important throughout this season.
[00:49:18] Ronnie Jams: That's fine.
I don't like it, but that's fine. I. I do kind of. I'll be honest with you in the back of my head. I'm like, what happens? You've said it throughout the year. Like, what happens when desean plays well, if they end up giving him an extension? Because you know that those talks are coming.
If they give him an extension and then, like, beginning of next year, all the wheels just completely fall off. Like, he's terrible again. Todd Monk is the worst. Everything's bad. Now we're stuck with all these guys for who knows how long.
[00:49:45] Kenny Thunder: Yeah. Can I issue a final, final thought?
Sure.
If DeSean Watson plays like this all year long, he'll be the. He'll have to be the NFL's comeback player of the year.
[00:49:58] Ronnie Jams: Oh, they'll be so mad if they have to. Oh, yeah, I'll be mad if he's comeback player.
[00:50:03] Kenny Thunder: I mean, can you imagine?
[00:50:04] Ronnie Jams: I'll be happy because that means the Browns are winning, but I'll be. I'll be mad that he won it.
[00:50:07] Kenny Thunder: Can you imagine the PR nightmare that is for the NFL? Because there hasn't been a lot of desean, like, negative talk because so much of it has been in Cleveland. So the talk's been here. There hasn't been a lot of that nationally. Thursday night was the first time the nation got to put their eyes on this football team and to revisit some of those conversations. And I don't know if you've been looking on social media the last couple of days. There's. There's a contingent of people out there that are, like, starting to bring all that back up. Like, guys like, how can you root for this guy? How can you redeem this guy? He's a horrible human.
[00:50:41] Ronnie Jams: Valid, valid that he plays well, and
[00:50:44] Kenny Thunder: if he puts himself in the running for that, the NFL is going to have a really hard decision on their hands at the end of the season to go, can we award this guy with something like this, or do we see them do an about face and pick somebody, whoever finishes second in that race just because they can't afford to make DeSean Watson the comeback player of the year.
[00:51:01] Ronnie Jams: Just.
[00:51:01] Kenny Thunder: Just food for thought. I. I just. It's been running through my mind after that game Thursday because he has played well to this point. I think he's at least got to be leader in the clubhouse right now for that award.
[00:51:11] The Big Bone Man: Sure.
[00:51:11] Ronnie Jams: Fair questions.
So, yeah, is that all your final, final, final thoughts?
[00:51:18] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I think so.
[00:51:20] Ronnie Jams: Okay, well, with that, let me remind everybody to call the burning of a sportscast hot take hotline.
Leave your hot takes on the hot take holler. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot Takes.
[00:51:29] Kenny Thunder: We
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[00:51:54] Kenny Thunder: Oh, what can we expect this week? Well, extend weekend. Enjoy all the other football we'll have. Our normal show won't be out Thursday, but it will be out Friday this week where we will have another interview with the Browns backers group.
I think right now penciled in is the Saratoga Browns backers.
[00:52:10] Ronnie Jams: So mad Mike and the boys.
[00:52:12] Kenny Thunder: Tbd, Mad Mike and the boys and of course all the other things that you listen to to the burning river sportscast for like the same takes over
[00:52:19] Ronnie Jams: and over and over again. Yeah.
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We did it, guys.
[00:52:54] Kenny Thunder: And Bone was here.
[00:52:56] The Big Bone Man: I made it. I didn't fall asleep.
[00:52:58] Ronnie Jams: He didn't do it. He didn't. I. I feel like we would have been way more excited on Thursday night.
[00:53:04] The Big Bone Man: Yeah.
[00:53:04] Ronnie Jams: But the energy is higher. Yeah. I'm glad I had time to reflect on the game though, because now I'm like, there's certain things that I make me feel even better going forward, but there. There are some things that give me pause. So we've got Phil Jackson. Yeah, we got Phil Jackson. Who knew?
Who knew?
Who knew? Kenny. I mean, Bone, not Kenny. Bone. What time is it?
[00:53:27] The Big Bone Man: Oh, it's time to go to sleep. Yeah. So I'm out. Bon appetit, my boys. Have a good night.
[00:53:34] Kenny Thunder: Final, final, final thought.
Don't just be a part of the problem.
Be the whole damn problem.
[00:53:42] Ronnie Jams: And only you can prevent river fires.
[00:53:45] Kenny Thunder: Burning river sports burning rivers.
[00:53:49] The Big Bone Man: Burn it out.
[00:53:49] Ronnie Jams: Good night, Cleveland.
[00:53:50] Kenny Thunder: Good night, Cleveland.
Sam,
[00:54:29] The Big Bone Man: It.
