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[00:01:11] Speaker B: It'S time Time for the Burning River Sportscast Someone once told Dylan Gabriel to reach for the stars. He tried, but he couldn't. Dylan Gabriel kept Sunday's game competitive through the first half, but ultimately came up short.
Afterward, as is customary, the teams met at midfield to express congratulations. Dylan politely declined to shake Drake May's hand and simply microwaved to stave off the burn of another Browns loss. I spent Sunday afternoon playing putt putt. Or as Dylan Gabriel calls it, golf.
I think maybe he played so well in the inclement weather last week because he was simply the last person to know it was raining.
I don't think you'd be upset about these jokes because he seems so down to earth.
In fact, he's a cheap date when the team goes out for a meal after the game. No one minds picking up his tab since he orders off the kids menu.
Don't worry, he's a good sport. That or most of these jokes just went over his head.
Some of you might have missed this, but Dylan got banged up a bit Sunday. When the medical staff came out to see him, they told him to relax and be a little patient.
Oh, Dylan. He's got a lot of growing up to do. His favorite dessert is strawberry shortcake. He loves flying coach for the extra leg room. Growing up, he was often overlooked and struggled to put food on the table. He's just so stubborn and refuses to grow. But that's never hurt him with the ladies because he's the best at small talk.
Don't fret, Dylan. Here's to hoping the next stage of your life comes with the ladder. Keep looking up, kid.
All right, I'm done.
My mom told me not to do these jokes about Dylan because it's a little person too. I mean, a little too personal.
Mercifully, the bye week is upon us. The Browns need a break. I need a break. We all need a break. So we'll break it all down for you next Don the Burning River Sports Camp cast.
[00:03:02] Speaker C: I Tell you what, we are really excited for the first half. I mean, we're really close and almost.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: I don't know what the hell happens. You went down two points.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: Mama always said pig on a spit was better than spit on a pig.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
Words to live by. Yeah. Honestly, my focus is where we are. We are right now. That's not my focus. What the does that even mean?
[00:03:22] Speaker D: Is it like we just bad mojo being on the lake and we're going to move to Brook park and it goes away and then everything's going to be, you know, hunky dory? Like, you know, again. That's whimsical. It's not real.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: So let me get this straight.
Sorry, I'm really distracted by what's going on over here. That guy had a mouse in his mouth.
[00:03:41] Speaker E: For this year, we still have the Shador card.
He's at least going to be exciting. He's going to put seats and asses.
Asses and seats.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: That's how you might also.
[00:03:51] Speaker E: He plays so good that it's the.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: Other one, but this one's special.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: How special?
[00:03:57] Speaker A: He's. He's kind of.
He's. He's real special.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: That is a wall that you piss on.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Just hip to hip, just whipping dicks.
[00:04:09] Speaker F: That's what makes it fantastic. Is game day, is I'm hanging out with 200 of my best friends and that's what it's all about.
[00:04:19] Speaker A: One, we tried real hard. And two, we're still dear friends. Still dear friends.
[00:04:23] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:04:24] Speaker B: So I'm the big white whale. You know it, baby.
Welcome into the Burning River SP Podcast, presented by the fine folks. That's Abbott Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. My partner today once put 12 hot dogs in his mouth at the same time just to see how it would feel. He's red hot. Ronnie jams and on the board today. He metabolizes water so fast he hasn't peed in eight years. He's the big bone man.
[00:04:51] Speaker A: Bone.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Did you hear the real reason why the Browns are waiting the final four weeks of the season to play Shador?
[00:04:59] Speaker G: Put people in the stadium.
[00:05:03] Speaker B: It's the busiest time of the year for Santa's elves.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: Said another joke.
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[00:05:16] Speaker A: Backers everywhere and the official podcast of some Cleveland Browns backers somewhere.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: So many.
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Browns news so far this week. So many friends on the show tonight, Division roundup and King of the north with John Hughes. And I'm sure there's going to be so much more.
I don't have any, you know, a snappy opening this week. Kenny, I think handled the snappy opening for all of us.
The state of the Browns is not good. So let's just get things started with the Bernie River News story of the week.
This just in, breaking breaking news. Kevin Stefanski, after going 42 and 50 to start his tenure with the Cleveland Browns, has been relieved of his duties as head coach.
[00:06:36] Speaker B: He has.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: Jim Schwartz has been promoted to interim head coach and formal, formal head coaching search will begin at season's end.
Just kidding. That didn't happen.
That's. That's just what we want to happen. Yeah, that's just what we want to happen. I got you guys excited at home, though.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Wishful thinking.
[00:06:52] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah.
[00:06:52] Speaker A: Everybody was excited for a minute. But no, seriously though, we do have a new story of the week this week. First of all, the NBA. What the fuck is going on there?
[00:07:04] Speaker B: Sports betting, man.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Yeah, sports betting. Illegal gambling rings involving fixed poker games in the mafia.
[00:07:12] Speaker G: X ray glasses, like types of treachery.
[00:07:14] Speaker A: What the shit is happening out here?
[00:07:16] Speaker B: Types of treachery.
[00:07:18] Speaker G: I'm kind of happy about the folks that are just getting ripped off in these like expensive townhouses, like million dollar hands. I'm like, who the hell cares if these folks are getting ripped off, Right?
[00:07:27] Speaker B: Yeah, there's victims here.
[00:07:29] Speaker G: I mean, is anybody sad about that?
[00:07:31] Speaker A: I think that's why it's not bigger.
[00:07:32] Speaker G: I'm not like, I'm not like a rich, but it's just like billionaires or millionaires just like putting way too much money on a poker hand and losing it.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: I Mean, if the NBA wasn't involved at the level that it is, it wouldn't be a story, I guess.
[00:07:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
This whole thing is just wild though. And it's some, some very prominent names. Obviously Chauncey Billups is a big one that comes to mind. My, my dad's probably devastated. He's huge. Detroit Pistons fan. Loved the Pistons team in the early 2000s with Chauncey Billups the, the point guard.
But I mean, this is just wild. Is this just what it was coming to regardless with like sports betting becoming so prominent and it being out there for everybody to do?
[00:08:11] Speaker B: It almost has to be right. I mean, you, Bone and I were just talking about this. I don't remember if we covered it on air or not. We, maybe it was off air, but it almost seems like with sports betting being where it is today, we almost need a place for the players to wager.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Right? Like you have your own thing.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: Like the NBA and the NFL should run their own sports books that are regulated that the players can play in their own sports book that the NFL regulates. And the only rule is you can't bet on your yourself, your own team. You can bet across the league and every bed is tracked.
[00:08:43] Speaker A: And I would even, I would even say you can bet on your own team to win. I would allow them to do that, whatever.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: But like you can set the rules however you want, but they should run their own sports book to where and all the bets are public and at least let the players scratch that itch because clearly the itch is there and it's not getting scratch.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: Well, it's wild to be like, like, and there's two separate things here. Let's, let's be clear. Like there's a betting scandals involving players and coaches. The reason that's so big is because it was involving players and coaches that were basically fixing games or at least moments in games which then altered the outcomes of the games. Again, Chauncey Billups is a big one. He, he told people he was going to take out, you know, star players and to bet on the game and then he did so and they lost. And like that. Okay, you're affecting standings and everything else all really bad. The other side of this is just a league.
Illegal poker games. And like that's just wild to me that that's all kind of thrown in here. But it's like a whole separate thing.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: How much money is being made on this?
[00:09:42] Speaker A: So that's where I was going with this. Like, what the hell is Chauncey Billups Doing fixing poker games like they were talking about. He might make like $50,000 off a game like you. Okay. Yeah. That's a lot of money to you. That's a lot of money to me. That's a lot of money to Bone.
[00:09:55] Speaker G: Yeah.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: That's not a lot of money to Chauncey Billups.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: Like, what are you doing? It's so much money to me, but there's no way I would risk my family, your whole life, jail time to get it right. Like they would, there would be that kind of money. And I know it's not huge in the grand scheme of things. It's, it would, it would change my life. I just had $50,000. Tomorrow I could go on a really nice vacation, pay off some bills.
[00:10:18] Speaker E: Like.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: Yeah, it would be a life changing amount of money to just fall into randomly.
I'm not willing to risk everything that I do have for $50,000.
[00:10:29] Speaker A: Nope.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: Is there a number that I could be bought?
[00:10:32] Speaker A: Probably.
Let's be honest. I mean, if someone that goes for Bone too, he's, he's a pretty straight shooter, but you know, Bone, Bone could be bought.
[00:10:39] Speaker B: If someone were to offer me $200 million to fix a poker game, I might do it once. You'd never hear from me again. I'd be in Argentina by morning.
[00:10:50] Speaker A: Well, that's the thing. Like, like, okay, if, if it's $50,000 a game that you're making, like how many of these games did you fix?
[00:10:58] Speaker B: Right?
[00:10:59] Speaker A: And then on top of it to just, like I said, just alter actual NBA. Like there's a serious, that's a serious problem because like now the entire integrity of the NBA is in question.
I don't know how you really get around this. Like this, this.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: It's just regulated sports book.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: Well, I mean, yeah, but I'm saying like in the moment, like it's just continuing to develop too. So like there's gonna thrown in this. I know, like LeBron James wasn't directly involved, but Damon Jones was giving away injury updates on LeBron James before.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: Like it was available to the public so people can go and bet on it and.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: Well, that's the thing. How deep do the tentacles run?
[00:11:35] Speaker A: And then obviously, like if there's no real evidence, they're going to say LeBron wasn't involved. But.
And I'm not saying he was. I'm just saying, like it was like you just said, like, like how, how deep to the tentacles go? Like who, who was actually who was greasing whose pockets to say, yeah, give me this information beforehand.
[00:11:57] Speaker B: What's amazing is that the Browns weren't wrapped up in this. Oh, I mean, that I could believe. I could believe 26 years of futility if you told me it was on purpose for. For a gambling bet.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: Well, yeah, because at this point, it's statistically improbable.
[00:12:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: For the Browns to be this bad for this long. So, like, that's the only explanation.
I'm watching an investigation.
[00:12:17] Speaker G: There's none other than Bernie Kozak.
[00:12:21] Speaker A: I'm not. No, it wasn't Bernie. Bernie's too nice.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: Allegedly.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Allegedly. Yeah.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Speaking of Argentina, it's surprisingly chilly there.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: Okay, thank you.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: I messed up the joke. It's surprisingly cold there. It's bordering on Chile.
[00:12:35] Speaker A: That would have been funny.
[00:12:36] Speaker B: It would have been funny if I got it right.
[00:12:38] Speaker A: What an idiot.
You told too many short jokes today.
[00:12:42] Speaker G: I thought he was going with that.
[00:12:44] Speaker A: And then. Yeah. We'll move on from the NBA, though. This is a wild story.
Bonus story tonight. Local story. Norton High School football had some. Some crazy shit happen this week, right?
[00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah, some controversy here at the end of year, I guess. They had forfeited a game earlier in the season. And foot and mouth, week one. Yeah, the foot and mouth was like running rampant.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: Oh, they didn't have hand, foot, mouth.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: Just foot and mouth, foot, mouth, hand, foot, mouth.
[00:13:07] Speaker E: I don't know.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: It was like. It was like co all over again. But. And a lot of teams were impacted. There were a number of games forfeited early in the season. Later in the season, it was going.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: Through all the daycare. Northeast Ohio, they literally had notices up at my daughter's daycare, like this is going around.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: And. And at the time, the OHSA ruling on this was.
Was in part in place because of COVID regulations, because of games that were missed. And so the games were ruled as a no contest. There was just no winner, no loser, and just moved about your day. And so Norton played all year like this and was 8, 0 and essentially the 1 seed in the computer tabulated playoff rankings.
And out of nowhere, the OHSAA has done an about face and now are classifying any of those games forfeited early in the season a loss.
So all of a sudden, Norton went from undefeated eight, no first seed in the playoffs, to eight and one by the first round. Yeah, buy in the first round. So impacts the playoff seating for sure. I mean, they're still probably playoff eligible because they won the following week.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: How in the hell do you just change a ruling mid season?
[00:14:15] Speaker B: Well, and I think that's the that's the problem. Right. And Norton has disputed this. So I think right now, currently, like, it's up in the air a little bit what they're going to do because they did file a formal dispute to say we acted on the guidance that we were provided by the OHSA at the time. Maybe we would have done something different. We, you know, we would have either played and found enough guys to field a team, but at the time wasn't necessary. So they didn't.
So just wild story. I know that, you know, the Norton Panthers had banners out that said like, Norton versus, you know, the ohsaa.
A lot of people up in arms about this whole thing.
I mean, to your point, I don't know how you can just reverse a ruling mid season.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: I don't know either. That's. That's wild. That's the part that's. That's hanging me up. Like, I just. I don't get it. But, you know, here's. Here's the bottom line. I don't really care about Norton because we're all field high school graduates and we beat Norton so bad in high school that we got ripped at halftime for only winning 28. Nothing.
[00:15:12] Speaker B: Only being up 20 and nothing. Yeah.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: So, yeah, I don't care about Norton.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: They weren't very good.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: That being said, if you go to Norton, you can listen to our show.
[00:15:21] Speaker G: Good luck this week.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: Week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: Good luck in the playoffs.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: One more thing. Before we get to the Browns, let me remind everybody to call the Burning sportscast.
Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. And before we get to the number and tell you how to call the hot take hotline, we have some hot takes on the hot take hotline. Hey, what's up, gentlemen?
[00:15:38] Speaker E: You know who it is.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Well, it was Happy Bobby last weekend and this weekend it's not so Happy Bobby.
I don't even know what to say anymore, dudes. I don't know what to say.
Miles Garrett gets five sacks and somehow we lose by whatever the hell we lost by. I have no idea.
[00:16:01] Speaker E: But the positive. There's not many positives, but the positive was that we had 40 people there today.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: 40 people at Browns backers of North.
[00:16:10] Speaker F: Jersey, two and five now two and.
[00:16:12] Speaker E: Six Browns, 40 people.
[00:16:15] Speaker A: So it was a good day that wise. But thank God for the buy.
Yeah, we have a buy.
And then we play the jets, who also won today. The jets won today. Unbelievably, they beat the Bengals.
So self promotion here. Self promotion.
Browns backers, North Jersey packers bash Saturday night. November 8th, Gary Barnage will be in attendance from 6 to 9.
Gary Barnes will be there 6, 37, 30 at the Grasshopper off the Green Morristown. And then our big tailgate for the Browns versus Jets.
Really no hot takes today other than.
Yeah, now we got no running back because Jumping's got hurt. Hurt.
Scher got hurt.
So we'll see what happen. We'll see what happens during the trade deadline.
[00:17:19] Speaker E: But also, we just announced that Kevin Stancy sticking with D. Gabriel after the buy.
[00:17:24] Speaker F: I don't think that's the right decision.
[00:17:25] Speaker E: I feel like it is time for sure.
[00:17:28] Speaker A: If he's not hurt. If he's not hurt.
[00:17:30] Speaker E: Supposedly he's hurt, but he was dancing at practice. I saw the video from Mary Kay Cabot, so I don't know.
[00:17:38] Speaker D: This seems a.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: This seems a mess. It's a mess.
And my hot take.
I think maybe we'll get a new kicker. I don't know. Who knows?
[00:17:50] Speaker B: All right, enjoy the bye week.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: I don't know if you're gonna have a show on the bye week, but.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: Yeah, can we call in after the bye week?
[00:18:03] Speaker E: All right.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Have a great week.
Go. Browns beat the jets in two weeks.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: A very subdued, angry Bobby.
[00:18:14] Speaker A: He was still angry. I could tell right up until the end.
[00:18:16] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: And then he got angry again.
[00:18:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
The first thing I want to say about this hot take is I like that the Brownsbackers of North Jersey, they. They called in to tell us. I don't really have any hot takes for the hot take hotline, but we do have one hot take for the hot take hotline, and the hot take was that we might get a new kick. I'm going to disagree with you, Bobby. I think he missed a 47 yarder. I don't think it was that big of a deal. Didn't really impact the game whatsoever. He's. He is a young kicker, and he's done fine this season up until that point.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: I mean, I wouldn't be mad if they got a new kicker.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: I mean, I. I'm indifferent to the.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: I literally said last in the last week's show, like, he's not the guy I want kicking a clutch field goal.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: No. Yeah, you're right. But I think it doesn't matter at this point. Like, we have way bigger problems not going anywhere. Like, gone are those days. That was last year where the biggest. The biggest problem was kick.
Like, it'd be nice to have the biggest problem be kicker again.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: That is true. We went a stretch last year where Dustin Hopkins missed everything, every kick yeah. And we were like, how hard is it to find anyone else?
[00:19:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:20] Speaker B: So I give the Browns credit. They found anyone else. His name is Andre Schmidt, and he's.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Making a lot more kicks than Dustin Hopkins did last year.
[00:19:27] Speaker G: So he still lost us a game this year.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: 1.
[00:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: That's why I said I wouldn't be mad if they brought.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: But let's be honest. The Browns lose basically every game, so it doesn't matter.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: Maybe the Shador will kick next week.
[00:19:41] Speaker G: No, I'd like to see that.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:44] Speaker G: That'd make Dion real happy.
[00:19:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:47] Speaker B: Dion's got enough of his own problem.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: Backers bash out there with the North Jersey Browns. Brownsbackers of North Jersey. I always get it backwards.
Make sure you get out there to see them. The Saturday before the jets game.
What else was in there?
They are sticking with Dylan Gabriel.
Everybody's hurt.
[00:20:07] Speaker B: I did like that they said Quinjin got hurt. So we have no running backs. We did draft another running back this year.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: No, but he's not allowed to play. He's not allowed to play the SEC.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: Co Offensive player of the year.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: Doesn't matter.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: Not terrible.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: Not good.
Sorry, I'm being facetious.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
He said, I called in to give you no hot takes.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: He said, I got no hot takes.
[00:20:28] Speaker F: No.
[00:20:28] Speaker B: That was it.
[00:20:29] Speaker A: That was it.
Okay, next.
[00:20:32] Speaker H: Hey, guys, it's Monochrom from the Browns.
[00:20:34] Speaker A: Backers of North Jersey calling again. I called last week. I appreciate you playing it.
[00:20:39] Speaker H: I'm calling again.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: First of all, the name's Monochum.
That's you. You had a little. You didn't hear the name last time.
[00:20:46] Speaker C: So I want to make sure you.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Got it this time. And I am part of the Browns.
[00:20:49] Speaker H: Back of North Jersey.
[00:20:50] Speaker A: Big fan of Angry Bobby. And this week, of course, Angry Bobby's angry again because the Browns lost.
[00:20:56] Speaker H: I got to tell you, the game.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Started off great when they scored. When the Browns scored their first touchdown, we had such a great crowd.
[00:21:03] Speaker E: It sound.
[00:21:03] Speaker H: It felt like there was an earthquake.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: Going on with all the cheering and excitement, but it went downhill from there. All right, thanks for the call for letting me call and have a great day.
[00:21:16] Speaker H: And we're gonna keep coming.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: And if you're coming to New York for the jets game in two weeks, then check out our.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: Our stuff.
[00:21:25] Speaker H: We got some.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: We got some amazing stuff going on. We have a Brown's backers bash, and.
[00:21:30] Speaker H: We have a tailgate going on. And you can check that out on the socials and hope you guys doing great.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: Thanks.
[00:21:36] Speaker B: For everything. All the best.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: Bye.
[00:21:38] Speaker E: Bye.
[00:21:38] Speaker G: This monochroma plant, he is a really nice guy.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: Hey, I love that he's so upbeat all the time, but I'm starting to get the feeling that angry Bobby's like, hey, Manokum, call in and back me up.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Tell him I'm a nice guy.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: Tell him I'm nice.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: Tell him I'm not all that angry.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: Yeah, and then tell them about our events.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Ultimate hype man.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: That's what he is. He's Pitbull Manakum. Is Pitbull Manakum. Thanks for calling again.
Next time leave us a hot take.
We wanna. We want to hear your hot take.
[00:22:08] Speaker B: No one's leaving hot takes this week.
They're just calling to talk to us now.
[00:22:12] Speaker A: That's fair. We like it. We enjoy it.
You got another one. He broken again. Hey, this is Robert from Green of father in law fame. So don't roast me too bad or I might sic my daughter on you.
Love that announcement, by the way.
So I just wanted to say that, you know, I think the Browns outplayed my expectation yesterday because I was expecting like 31 to 3.
But you would have thought you shout out to Miles Garrett to play a little closer with five sacks, a franchise record. So congratulations.
You know, our offense stinks, so can't play any closer than that.
And next week we go against the jets, which just beat Cincinnati in close game. I don't know that we can beat Cincinnati right now, so not looking too good for next week either. But maybe there's a chance.
So there's that. Y' all have a great week. Is that Robert?
[00:23:14] Speaker B: That was Robert.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: Robert's calling in.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: He's leaving. Hot takes.
[00:23:20] Speaker A: Hot takes. I think the hot take that came out of that is that the Browns might lose to the Jets.
Yeah.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: Which is very possible.
[00:23:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: To his point, I think that's a.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Lukewarm take at this point because the Brown sucks.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: The Browns may not be able to eat the Bengals at this point and they didn't beat the Bengals, so I would agree with that.
[00:23:34] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: Fair.
Fair assessment.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: And the jets, by the transitive property.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: We have to lose to, the jets.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: Scored like 30 points this week.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: 39. Yeah, we'll get there.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: We'll get there in three games. No, we won't.
[00:23:50] Speaker A: No, it takes longer. No, exactly. Three games. That would be 39.16.
[00:23:55] Speaker G: Do you guys think like players who are like on teams that are like vying for the number one pick, like they kind of know the administration wants to and they're Just like f. That we're. We're not going to be the number one pick. Like, we're winning this game. You know what I mean? Or I think if they're in that situation, I feel like. I would kind of feel that.
[00:24:11] Speaker B: I think there's some kind of pride there. I mean, well, and also, number one pick means someone's getting replaced.
[00:24:17] Speaker G: Exactly.
[00:24:17] Speaker B: So.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:18] Speaker B: So you're fighting for your job.
[00:24:20] Speaker A: To answer that question. I think Miles Garrett had that mentality yesterday.
[00:24:23] Speaker E: Sure.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: In Sunday's game, he said, I. I don't want to be the number one pick. The problem is the rest of the team is like we said.
[00:24:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: So I don't even know.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: The rest of the team is the offense.
[00:24:32] Speaker A: It's the offense. It's the offense. Yeah. The defense is still playing solid. I understand that. They scored 32 points. I understand.
[00:24:37] Speaker B: But many of those were spotted by the offense.
[00:24:40] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Is that all our hot takes?
[00:24:42] Speaker B: That's all the hot takes this week.
[00:24:43] Speaker A: All right, well, speaking of hot takes, let's bring on some friends of the show and frequent contributors to the Hot Take Hotline.
[00:24:54] Speaker B: Powered by Riverside ff.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: All right, guys, so one more time, help me welcome another friend of the show, a consistent, maybe the most consistent contributor to the Burning River Sportscast Hot Take hotline, the Brownsbackers of North Jersey.
What's up, guys?
[00:25:16] Speaker C: What's going on?
[00:25:16] Speaker I: How you been?
[00:25:17] Speaker E: Good.
[00:25:18] Speaker A: How are you? You look way happier than the angry Bobby we're used to.
[00:25:24] Speaker C: I think I'm just getting used to it now.
[00:25:26] Speaker A: Like, he's numb.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: You've reached total apathy.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Kevin, nice to see. Joining the show here. Are you gonna stick around for the whole thing?
[00:25:35] Speaker H: I'll try my best. I'll see what happens.
[00:25:37] Speaker A: Yeah. When Notorious Bar Lever Kevin.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: When the going gets tough, Kevin gets going.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: When Kevin cries.
[00:25:47] Speaker C: Left a couple times early, so.
[00:25:49] Speaker A: Oh, shots fired.
Kevin's got nothing to come back with either. He's just like, I'll see you.
[00:25:55] Speaker H: I take it. I take it proud. I leave early.
[00:25:57] Speaker G: I can't.
[00:25:58] Speaker H: I can't sit anymore.
[00:26:00] Speaker A: That's fair. So speaking of not being able to sit through the. The Browns right now, what's the biggest problem, guys? That's where I'm going first. What's the biggest problem? Is it Kevin Stefanski? Is it Andrew Barry? Is it the quarterbacks? What is it?
[00:26:11] Speaker C: All the above.
[00:26:12] Speaker B: How about that interview over? Okay, we'll see you later.
[00:26:17] Speaker C: I don't even like, like Quinshon.
[00:26:22] Speaker E: He.
[00:26:22] Speaker C: I know he left the game early, but he had minus two yards of receiving. Like, I don't know what those plays were. Like, everything was behind the line.
[00:26:32] Speaker H: Constant check down after check down after check down.
[00:26:35] Speaker A: Five passes completed behind the line in this last one. So.
[00:26:38] Speaker C: And then what I understand. So I noticed when we played the Dolphins and again, I know it was the Dolphins. I know we always had an extra lineman in. I saw Luke Whipler play so much that game.
I don't know if that happened this game. So, you know, he was in there. We had extra lineman in and we got the running game going a little bit.
I just don't know why we didn't go back to that. You know, I understand they have a good run defense, but we got to try to establish the run and throw the ball down the field, for crying out loud. I, you know, I mean, this, this.
[00:27:09] Speaker H: Guy, Dylan Gabriel had like. I mean, I know he was in college for six years, but I mean, this guy had some of the most touchdowns thrown in all college combined. Like, we know he can get rid of the ball.
You know, I think it was like almost 8,000 yards and if not more, with only like 36 interceptions in college.
[00:27:29] Speaker D: Less than that.
[00:27:30] Speaker H: No, 36. I looked it up today. Man, come on, watch that.
But I mean, like, we know this guy can throw the ball and like, yeah, Bobby D. Said he wins wherever he's gone.
But I don't know. I think it's key or if it's him or what it is.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: I think that's been one of the most disappointing things so far with the Dylan Gabriel experience is I remember watching this kid in college and he's getting a lot of flat in social media comments about like having a noodle arm or a weak arm. I never thought his arm strength was an issue. I saw that kid launch footballs all over the field.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: I do now like watching him throw now. I think it's an issue.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: It's like all of a sudden he can't throw the. I don't know what it is. That's got to be the most disappointing thing, is that he just refuses to stretch the field.
[00:28:12] Speaker C: And I saw him rolling out a little more yesterday.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Well, you call it rolling out that. Like the one, the one where he went out to the left and then threw up 14 yards short for an interception. That was a, that was, was. He had a clean pocket. He just decided he was getting the. Out of there. He was like, I don't, I don't like this.
And I don't know if that's because he's too short to See, over the line. So he's like, this isn't a good.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: Spot for me to throw.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: I got to get out of here. Or what it is. But yeah, I mean, look, Kevin Stefanski. It's Kevin Stefanski's offense, right?
So you guys asking the question? I know we're going back and forth here and having a conversation, but you asked the question. If it's him and, And I don't know that it is. I don't think Dylan Gabriel's good. I'll start there.
But Kevin Stefanski, no matter which quarterback you plug into this system, they are God awful.
The only times that we've seen quarterbacks play well with Kevin Stefanski at the.
[00:29:04] Speaker B: Helm is Baker Mayfield, who turns out was pretty good.
[00:29:07] Speaker A: Who turns. It turns out was pretty good. And the six games of, of Joe Flacco a couple years ago, and which.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Joe Flacco turns out is still pretty good.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, he goes to Cincinnati and he's.
[00:29:19] Speaker E: He's.
[00:29:19] Speaker A: He's playing pretty well. So my point is, like literally every other quarterback beyond besides those points and even Baker Mayfield, I would argue, I think he held Baker Mayfield back. I mean, you look at the. What we averaged as an offense when he was here, and it wasn't good. So, I mean, are you guys done with Kevin Spansky? Like, I mean, he's gonna go, I've.
[00:29:41] Speaker H: Been listening to the radio all day today.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: And.
[00:29:45] Speaker H: And they just kept saying, like, this is Stefan's king. It's the fancy team.
He's going to go down with his ship. How he's going to want to go down. That's why everyone's always talking about how he might not like Shador. So he's just going to stick with Gabriel because the only way he's playing Shador is if Jimmy Haslam is going down to his door and saying, you better put him in. I think he's going to go down the way he wants to go down, if he is going to go down.
And it's just like, like you said, like, not. We haven't had a quarterback that works with him. So what makes Shador work with him? Like, why does everyone think Shador is going to work?
[00:30:16] Speaker E: Also?
[00:30:17] Speaker H: It's the same offense, the same terrible line, the same wide receivers that can't catch a ball. Like, nothing is changing but the quarterback. So why does everyone think it's going to work?
[00:30:26] Speaker B: I would agree with you there. I mean, I think it's.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: You said that last night on the show.
[00:30:29] Speaker B: We don't. I don't know that Shador is going to be any better, but I know that Dylan Gabriel is also not getting any better. So it's just more curiosity, I think, to see what at least is behind the curtain.
[00:30:40] Speaker A: Yeah, we've said that all year that we don't know that Shador is going to be any better. It's just more so we want to see him. But you put you. You said on Sunday night's live show, you said, at this point, I don't want to see Shador in Kevin Stefanski's offense.
I think he's going to look just like everybody else does. So until Kevin's gone, I don't want Shador in there. That was your quote last night or on Sunday evening. And I would agree with that at this point. Like, I don't want to see it either.
But. But I guess my question is to you guys. How do you feel like, you know, you guys are calling in the hot take hotline. You guys have some takes. I know you do. So. So where are you guys at on Kevin Stefanski or Andrew Barry or any of these guys?
[00:31:20] Speaker H: With. Bear with Andrew Barry. And I'd sent it to him. This, like, other than quarterback, this guy, like, other than finding a quarterback, he can do everything else good.
Had an amazing draft this year. He somehow fleeces trades left and right. This guy just. Only problem is he cannot find a quarterback.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: It seems like any other draft picks of his have worked out. Kevin 7.
[00:31:43] Speaker C: Well, this is a good.
[00:31:44] Speaker H: I think this year.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: This rookie class is good this year. Not with.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: I'm going somewhere with this. Not. Yeah. Not counting this year. Before this year, how many other draft picks of his have worked out.
[00:31:55] Speaker H: I guess you're right.
[00:31:56] Speaker A: So we bring this up.
[00:31:58] Speaker C: Got hurt. J. Okay.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: But he got hurt.
[00:32:02] Speaker B: I mean.
[00:32:03] Speaker H: I mean, the Baker and Nick Chubb one wasn't bad.
[00:32:05] Speaker C: That was. That was Dorsey.
[00:32:07] Speaker H: Oh, yeah.
[00:32:08] Speaker A: Yes. See, you can shoot yourself in the foot there.
Yeah. So my point. Our point is. And we. We say this a lot on our show, it's kind of become a staple of ours ever since Kenny first threw it out. There is if somebody punches you in the face over and over and over again for your entire time knowing them, and then one time shows up with chocolates or a gift or flowers or whatever. I mean, do you forget all those times that they punched you in the face or are you just like, how does that work?
[00:32:40] Speaker C: It is like right now, it is like Groundhog Day. It's the same thing every single week.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: Every week.
[00:32:46] Speaker C: We're not, you know, we're all excited because we scored over 20 points. I mean, and the defense is the one who set it up for us. One of them was a defensive touchdown, and the other two interceptions gave us good field position.
So would we have scored over 20 points? I don't know.
The NFL is set up right now where you should score over 20 points a game, and for some reason, we cannot seem to do that.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: And.
[00:33:14] Speaker C: We have a big game coming up against jets in two weeks.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: First of all, let me. Let me just stop you real quick, Bobby. We. We struggle to score 20 points. No, no, no. We struggle to score 13 points.
We can't make 14 at this point, but it's like we played.
[00:33:32] Speaker C: I tell you what, we are really excited for the first half. I mean, we're really close, and then.
[00:33:37] Speaker A: All of a sudden, I don't know what the hell happens.
You guys talked about earlier. You said we abandoned the run, but unfortunately, unless there's a tsunami, and even in some cases, when there is a tsunami, we throw the ball 55 times a game for 187 yards. So, yeah, I mean, that's what happened. We abandoned the run like we always do.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Guys, there's nine games left. Where. Where. Where do we go from here?
[00:34:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:00] Speaker B: How do we make this thing better? I mean, if you think about it.
[00:34:03] Speaker H: Though, AFC north is.
[00:34:04] Speaker B: I'm not.
[00:34:05] Speaker H: Not just not trying to sound optimistic.
[00:34:06] Speaker C: North, two games out of first.
[00:34:08] Speaker H: Yeah, like, that's it.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: There's still a chance.
[00:34:10] Speaker H: Who knows?
[00:34:12] Speaker A: It is wild to think that somehow we are still technically in it.
[00:34:17] Speaker C: But before you guys came on, I would just read an article. The Ravens are now the favorites to win the north, and they're.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: Of course they are, because eventually Lamar Jackson's gonna be back, and then that team's offense will be humming.
[00:34:30] Speaker B: I think.
[00:34:30] Speaker H: I think I just saw the tweet before he's officially cleared to play.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: They were in last place until this past week, and then they won and we didn't. Now. Now we're in last place. Yeah, but listen, I know now that we've thoroughly ruined your evening, I just want to say, Bobby, I know you guys have a big event coming up coming out of the buy, so I want you to talk a little bit about that for us.
[00:34:53] Speaker G: All right.
[00:34:53] Speaker C: Well, as everybody knows, the Browns head to North Jersey to play the jets at MetLife Stadium. It's gonna be a great game.
The 2 and 6 Browns against the 1 and 7 Jets. How's that for a sales pitch?
[00:35:08] Speaker A: I was gonna say don't get us too excited.
Kenny's wetting his pain hard over here.
So excited for this one.
No, I mean that means somehow we saw.
[00:35:22] Speaker C: I don't know how, but we sold 52 tickets to the game which is mind boggling.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: I'll tell you how really excited they go.
[00:35:30] Speaker H: You keep wanting to buy more.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: We just kept adding tickets and they.
[00:35:32] Speaker H: Go, you sure you want to keep adding?
[00:35:34] Speaker E: And we did.
[00:35:35] Speaker A: Well, I'm like all those Browns fans out there think that we might actually win a game is what's happening here.
[00:35:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:40] Speaker C: Well, I also think it's also possible that people think maybe Shador will play after the buy.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: But yeah. What are your guys thoughts? I know Kevin Stefanski came out this week and said that they're, they're sticking with Gabriel. Do you think that's actually going to be the case? Because remember, I just want to point this out to everybody.
He said the exact same thing about Joe Flacco and then we traded him. So do you guys think they're sticking with Gabriel or you think they're going to go with Shador?
[00:36:04] Speaker H: I don't see the problem with like seeing Shador. Like it's been four games. I also feel like the Browns give up on quarterbacks way too soon.
As in we've had 41 starting quarterbacks or if not more since 1999. But it's also like you have two first round picks next year.
You have two quarterbacks drafted this year.
If neither of these guys work out, you got to look at something.
I'm not saying that like no, no quarterback going in other than maybe this Indiana guy. And I'm still not even sold about him. He's going to be good enough for a first round pick. But if maybe Shador works out, you use your first pick for an O line, you use your second pick for a wide receiver and you finally build around a quarterback that you think could be your future. But if not, then they go a different way. But you have to at least see what you have.
[00:36:53] Speaker C: I still don't think. I don't. I still don't think he knows what he wants.
[00:36:56] Speaker H: I, I'm very mixed but I think you at least. Oh and honestly going against the 1 in 7 Jets after a bye week, I don't see how you don't play Shador. Honestly, it's you set up perfectly for maybe he does succeed or maybe if you stick with Gabriel, Gabriel goes out and we see Oregon Gabriel and throws for three touchdowns 250 yards and we all get drunk and happy together.
[00:37:20] Speaker A: Flip that script. What if he Goes out and has the same game that he's had. I mean, at that point, you have to fire Kevin Stefanski. You have to get rid of like, you have to bench Dylan Gabriel. Like, things get really bad, you lose to them.
[00:37:31] Speaker B: I just like that it's not even Halloween yet and we have approached draft talk here with the North Jersey Browns backers.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: That's like the main topic of tonight's segment. I remember the tag.
[00:37:43] Speaker H: Watch the lose every week just for that.
[00:37:46] Speaker A: Yeah, they're really screwing us right now, winning too many games.
Listen, guys, I don't know how we got here. I was hoping to have fun with you guys tonight.
Bobby, here's something I talk a lot of shit about. You.
You guys call into the hot take hotline. Now that you got me on the line, is there anything that you'd like to say?
[00:38:06] Speaker H: We still got. You still got to promote the back.
[00:38:08] Speaker C: I still got to promote the backer bash first.
[00:38:10] Speaker H: Gary Barnage, baby.
[00:38:12] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You are done with that. Okay, we can go there. Yeah.
I got so excited about the 1 and 1 and 7 versus 2 and 6 that I completely forgot they got me hard.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: And Ronnie James forgot how to podcast.
[00:38:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
Talking about it, we had to keep.
[00:38:26] Speaker E: So.
[00:38:27] Speaker C: So the night before the big game, we're having a backer bash at the Grasshopper off the Green in Morristown from 6 to 9.
Gary Bornage will be there from 6:30 to 7:30 signing autographs.
We're going to have raffles, we're going.
[00:38:43] Speaker A: To have music.
[00:38:45] Speaker C: Food specials, drink specials. So if anybody's coming in from out of town, come out to Morristown. Drop by the train station. There's hotels all around there. It's a 25 minute jaunt of MetLife the next morning.
And we're having a big tailgate that day as well. So if anybody's interested in that, just contact me. Go to Brownsback North Jersey dot com.
[00:39:06] Speaker B: What do you. What do you got planned for this tailgate? You getting stuff catered in, people?
What kind of grub's gonna be there?
[00:39:12] Speaker C: What's that?
[00:39:13] Speaker B: What kind of grub's gonna be there? What do you got. What do you guys got planned for food and stuff?
[00:39:16] Speaker A: We're gonna have.
[00:39:18] Speaker H: We have a giant pig, roasted.
[00:39:21] Speaker C: We're having a pig on a spit.
[00:39:24] Speaker E: Nice.
[00:39:24] Speaker C: You're having breakfast, sandwiches, obviously. Hamburgers, hot dogs. We're having lamb chops, hanger steak, pork. We're having chorizo chicken poodle sticks. It's gonna be black.
[00:39:38] Speaker B: Hell's a poodle stick.
[00:39:40] Speaker C: I don't know, we're still trying to figure that out. I'm gonna take a picture of it.
[00:39:42] Speaker D: I'll send it to everybody.
[00:39:45] Speaker A: He had me up until chicken poodle stick.
[00:39:47] Speaker B: Mama always said pig on a spit was better than spit on a pig.
[00:39:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
Words to live by.
Listen, a couple things real quick. If anybody, you know, if anybody's thinking about going to this thing, they haven't met Gary Barnage before. Gary Barnage is one funny dude. He's a lot of fun to hang out with. So if nothing else, you know, I know, you know, Bobby and Kevin, take him or leave them, but.
But Gary Barnage is going to be there one, one hour. So make sure you get down there and talk with them a little bit. And then the other thing I was going to say is just the. The simple fact that regardless of what the records are of these teams, especially the Browns, if there's one good thing that Cleveland fans are good at, or if there's one thing that Cleveland fans are good at, it's partying. So get out there for the. The Backers bash. Get out there for the tailgate. I'm sure both of them are going to be a hell of a time. So we have.
[00:40:40] Speaker C: We have fun no matter what.
[00:40:42] Speaker A: We try to have fun until Bobby gets angry and starts throwing things at.
[00:40:47] Speaker H: Tv until Kevin leaves and I leave early.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: And I've actually been pretty good this year.
I was gonna. I was just about to say, we gotta pull the backers of North Jersey, and instead, Kevin just shakes his head there. He lets us.
You.
[00:41:08] Speaker E: That's all I got.
[00:41:11] Speaker C: We will continue to call in the hotline.
[00:41:13] Speaker I: Yeah.
[00:41:13] Speaker A: I was gonna say this is your second time on the show tonight because you guys added a hot take.
[00:41:16] Speaker B: You guys are a regular fixture.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: Oh, you had a question about it.
[00:41:18] Speaker B: I appreciate you. Your friend. Your friend called and we can't understand his name when he says it. The. It's. He says it too fast and the phone doesn't catch it.
Well, that's why I could understand it because it's not a name.
[00:41:33] Speaker C: Oh, boy. He listens to your show.
[00:41:36] Speaker A: Oh, man, We. Oh, I'm sorry. Monochromatic. Him.
[00:41:39] Speaker E: All.
[00:41:39] Speaker B: All jokes. All jokes. Good vibes.
[00:41:41] Speaker A: No, we had to. We had to get in on. You know, we pick on you guys, so we had to bring Monocuman on it, too.
[00:41:46] Speaker C: It's funny because you. The other day, you said you thought he was gonna go into the. What's the guy's name?
[00:41:52] Speaker A: The wrestler.
[00:41:53] Speaker E: Oh.
[00:41:55] Speaker C: Macho Man.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: What? What?
[00:41:58] Speaker C: When he thought he was gonna Go into the macho man.
[00:42:02] Speaker I: Oh.
[00:42:02] Speaker B: Because he was like, oh, yeah. At the end of his.
[00:42:04] Speaker C: Yeah, well, he does that. He does that. So I didn't know if he did it this week.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Well, that's perfect. That's fitting. Very fitting. Tell them to do that.
[00:42:11] Speaker A: Keep doing that. You guys keep calling into the hot take hotline. You know, we love having you on the show. We'll have you on again as soon as we can. That's a. That's a really nice looking flag in the background, by the way.
And, yeah, I mean, just keep doing what you do, Bobby. I know you're doing big things out there in North Jersey and making it the most fun place to be in the area for Cleveland Browns game.
[00:42:31] Speaker C: So you guys are coming to the outing next year? No.
[00:42:34] Speaker B: Hell yes, we will be there. We will absolutely be there.
[00:42:38] Speaker I: All right.
[00:42:39] Speaker A: My wife says no. I'm sneaking out. There you go.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: He's getting divorced.
[00:42:42] Speaker H: Six hour drive. Nothing, nothing. Nothing too difficult.
[00:42:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I could be back in 12 hours.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: I might be driving out to North Jersey this weekend for poodles on a sticker. Whatever. Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:51] Speaker A: Haven't had that, but we're gonna try it.
[00:42:54] Speaker B: I'm gonna spit on your pig.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: Ew.
All right, guys, it's been a lot of fun. Thanks. Thanks for joining the show today. We're sorry this devolved into a complete dumpster fire, but here we are. And yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah, let's get through this by rest up and party hard when the brownsbackers bash comes to North Jersey.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: Go Browns.
[00:43:13] Speaker C: Thank you so much.
[00:43:14] Speaker H: We'll be better. We'll be better.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: Are you Kevin Stefanski?
[00:43:19] Speaker H: We gotta be better.
[00:43:21] Speaker A: Thanks, guys.
[00:43:22] Speaker D: See you soon.
[00:43:27] Speaker C: We are the Browns backs of North Jersey. You're listening to the Burning river sports test.
Go Browns.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: Go Browns.
We get a double dip of. Of double dose. A double dose of Kevin and angry Bobby this week, huh?
[00:43:44] Speaker B: Bobby's so subdued. He's just really. I think the Browns really got him down.
[00:43:47] Speaker A: I think he's just pure apathy. He's like, I just don't care.
[00:43:50] Speaker B: I thought we were going to get on with angry Bobby and he was going to light us up and he.
[00:43:54] Speaker A: Was just like, I don't care, man.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: He's just like, I'm just out here throwing Browns bashes.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: That's what I do.
Seriously, though, go out and see those guys if you're in the area when the jets play the Browns next week.
Backer bash on Saturday and then the tailgate on Sunday.
But I mean, that thing just Went off the rails, didn't it?
[00:44:13] Speaker B: Super off the rails. But they're gonna have Poodle on a.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Stick, so whatever that does for you.
Yeah, I also like that Angry Bobby tried to tell us he wasn't too angry, but now we have two people that have said that he was angry this week. So he had to be at least a little angry.
[00:44:29] Speaker B: But speaking, I'm just glad Kevin didn't leave mid interview.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: Yeah, true. Yeah, we got to. We he at least stuck around till the end of that. But speaking of going off the rails, it's time for Dig it with the Macho Fan.
All right, so right about now is the time of the show and we would usually go to Dig it with the Macho Fan and we're still gonna do that.
But this week with it being the bye week and Macho Fan not preparing for a game, we're actually bringing him into our virtual studio today for your viewing pleasure, listening pleasure, so much pleasure. We're bringing him here for your pleasure. So without further ado, Macho F.
[00:45:19] Speaker I: Thanks for having me. Can't wait to start.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for being here with us.
So listen, we got some questions, we got some hard hitting questions for you this week with, with it being a bye week, obviously a lot of controversy surrounding the Browns. There's coaching, coaching questions, there's quarterback questions, there's front office questions, injuries, there's injuries, there's ownership questions. Who knows? We're not going to ask you any of those questions.
My first question to you, Macho Fan, is how does a world champion like yourself deal with watching the losing of this Browns team week in and week out?
[00:45:58] Speaker I: Yeah, well, it's not really too much of my favorite thing to do. But don't worry, I still go and cheer on the team because I still believe in the bigger picture. But yeah, it is a tough pill to swallow when you see all these things happening around. A lot of controversy, a lot of noise. Everybody's not really on the same page. It doesn't seem like sometimes. But don't worry, I think this bag week is just what we need to hopefully get this thing on the right track. I know it sounds a little bit too far fetched, but that's why I do what I do.
[00:46:28] Speaker A: From your lips to God's ears.
Listen, who's the better ring manager? Bobby the Brain Heenan or Kevin Stefanski?
[00:46:37] Speaker I: Let me tell you, I had my run ins with Mr. Heenan how many times? But let me tell you, Stefanski, I can understand what you're saying, Brain, but I Could believe more in Stefanski than I do. Bobby the Brain heated because he was a snake. He was always a snake. And I think Kevin Sapinski is trying to do everything in our best interest, so I'm gonna go with him for right now.
[00:46:59] Speaker B: Bobby the Brain was a snake.
[00:47:01] Speaker A: He was a snake.
[00:47:01] Speaker B: I'll give.
[00:47:02] Speaker A: I'll give Kevin Stefanski that he's not a snake.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: He's not a snake. We think he's a genuinely nice guy. We're just not sure whether he's a head football coach.
[00:47:08] Speaker I: We're just not sure if he's being straightforward with the stencil.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: Yeah, you said it, not me.
Kenny, you got, you know, you got something here.
[00:47:18] Speaker B: So macho, obviously, you know, you famously tagged with. With Hulk Hogan when you were the iconic mega powers with Hawk. Now, not among the living. Which current Browns player would you form a tag team with?
[00:47:32] Speaker I: Well, the way that I saw Bill's Garrett throw his helmet, I think that somebody wanted my side, so I'm probably going to choose him. But I think almost any of the players on the current roster I would probably take as my tag team partner. Just depends on who my opponents are, and then I can decide. But definitely Miles Garrett. I mean, by five sacks, pretty sure he could do that in the ring, too.
[00:47:56] Speaker B: Miles bringing the sacks to the ring. I like it.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: So many sacks.
Listen, if Dylan Gabriel was a WWE champion, what would he be the champion of?
[00:48:06] Speaker I: The cruiserweight.
[00:48:08] Speaker A: It's gotta be the cruiser. Do you think he tag team? He's a tag team partner with Hornswoggle.
[00:48:15] Speaker I: I will go a little bit more like Rey Mysterio, but I see where you're going with this.
[00:48:20] Speaker A: Little.
[00:48:20] Speaker I: He's got a big heart.
Just to keep him going forward. Please, God.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: Macho's keeping it respectable.
[00:48:27] Speaker A: He's like, let's. Let's reel it in, guys.
[00:48:31] Speaker I: No, no. I like the tough questions. I like the challenge. Just like the challenge for the rest of the season. Don't worry. We're ready for the challenge.
[00:48:40] Speaker B: Well, speaking of the rest of the season, Macho, there's nine games left.
How does this thing go? How many of the Browns win out of those nine?
[00:48:50] Speaker I: Well, that's the big question. It all comes down to what we do during this buy. So if we can get ourselves right back in order of being on the same page, everybody being on the same path, I think we might be able to rate this a little bit better.
First, how many weeks? Definitely a hard time. Definitely a little bit more of an obstacle, but we can see that there is Potential. So hopefully we can come back and actually be a little healthy and a little meaner, and then we can figure out that the next nine games are going to be in our favor.
[00:49:20] Speaker H: Hopefully.
[00:49:20] Speaker I: Hopefully. Wait, nine games? I forget how many. That's a long season.
[00:49:24] Speaker A: So far it is nine games. And I'm going to hold you to a number. How many?
[00:49:28] Speaker B: How many we win?
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Macho fan. I want to know.
[00:49:32] Speaker I: Yeah, I'm going to have to get.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: At least going to have to say.
[00:49:36] Speaker I: About eight to nine wins. I don't care. I work for them every week. I don't believe anything different. And I believe what we're going to. Every game having a chance after the coin flip, it's up to them.
[00:49:48] Speaker A: I love that. Literally every week you go into it just assuming the Browns are going to win. Like, it's just.
[00:49:54] Speaker I: You have the high expectations.
[00:49:57] Speaker A: It's the opposite mentality of a lot of Browns fans, including ourselves. And it's. It's refreshing.
[00:50:02] Speaker B: I don't think you get to be a world champion without being an optimistic fellow.
[00:50:05] Speaker A: You just assume you're going to win at all. Turns. Yeah, that's right.
[00:50:08] Speaker I: Don't go in with the defeating mentality. That's the whole reason why we are losing is because we're playing not to lose instead of playing to win. And that's what we need to do with our mental state going forward.
[00:50:19] Speaker B: I feel like we need macho on the sidelines.
[00:50:22] Speaker A: Yeah. During the game, just every time someone comes off the field, like, what?
[00:50:25] Speaker I: Oh, yeah, it's a hell of an idea. Let's get that out there. Let's see what I can do. Motivational macho time. Yeah.
[00:50:33] Speaker A: Right on the spot. Miles Garrett comes off. He just had his fifth sack. He's angry that the team's not winning. He's throwing his helmet. What do you tell him? I want to hear it.
[00:50:40] Speaker I: Don't throw your helmet at me. But next I will say, don't worry, we'll get them next week. I know it sounds really bad right now, but we gotta be a leader. We gotta get people motivated and get them going. Don't need to show defeat even when we're down. Let's take the negatives, but let's take a positive out of the negative and let's play that into the next game.
[00:51:00] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:51:00] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:51:01] Speaker B: Macho. Obviously you're a super fan and you're at all the Browns games here when they're in Cleveland, but we know just because you've been on the show all year that you made a Special trip out this year to visit our friends in the monarchy. Tell us a little bit about that trip. How was that being over in England?
[00:51:18] Speaker I: Oh, my God. Let me tell you, it was a trip of a lifetime. It was amazing just to see the whole entire Sykes, but as well as the whole entire Browns nation out there. I mean, there were so many people. I mean, we're talking from Germany, from Austria, Australia, Ireland, all over the US Everybody came out for that. And I can tell you this much, everybody was fantastic.
[00:51:39] Speaker D: But who.
[00:51:39] Speaker I: Who is more spectacular is everybody that was behind the scenes. That goes for all the Browns organization. They've done a great job of hosting, but guess what? The British Browns Packers. That's right. Those Bulldogs, Kelly and the boys, they did a great job of actually hosting as well as putting on a great festivities. And it was a great show for everyone that joined.
[00:52:00] Speaker A: Yeah, we got to talk to Kelly that week leading up to the game. So it was a lot of fun. Kelly. Kelly's funny. We like.
[00:52:04] Speaker B: Kelly's amazing.
[00:52:06] Speaker I: She's so funny. Funny, and she's awesome. And she does a great job with supporting the Browns community and keeping things going over there in London.
[00:52:15] Speaker B: Yes, we. We had a hell of a time with.
[00:52:16] Speaker E: With Kelly.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: She was a lot of fun.
So macho, obviously. You know, I think we're. We're coming near the end of our time here, and we know we look forward to, you know, the rest of your spots all season long right here on the Burning River Sportscast, getting fans pumped up for the game. If you have just a final message for Browns fans here during the bye week, what's the. What's the regroup and reload mentality?
[00:52:39] Speaker I: What.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: What's the message to Browns fans right now?
[00:52:42] Speaker I: Right now? Just get some rest because when we come back, we're gonna need all that energy. We're gonna need even more than ever. And that's why we have to know as a team, but as fans come together and make sure that we're still gonna be the nastiest dogs out there. And we want everyone out there to keep cheering on the Browns. Cause that's why we're the best fans.
Yeah.
[00:53:04] Speaker B: Love it.
[00:53:05] Speaker A: Love it.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: Doesn't get better than macho fan.
[00:53:07] Speaker A: No. Macho Fan. He's the cream of the crop.
Yeah.
Well, listen, macho fan, it's been a hell of a time. We appreciate you joining the show. And until next time, we'll see you soon.
[00:53:24] Speaker I: Absolutely.
[00:53:25] Speaker D: Gold Browns.
[00:53:27] Speaker A: That.
[00:53:28] Speaker I: Thank you. Burning river podcast. Let's go.
This is Macho Fan with Burning River Sportscast.
[00:53:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:53:43] Speaker I: Dig it. Let's go.
[00:53:45] Speaker D: Brills.
[00:53:53] Speaker A: Good having macho fan actually on the show so we could talk a little bit, huh?
[00:53:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we hear him every week, but it's good to actually have a face to face.
[00:54:00] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And, and, and I say it every week. That dude's such a dog.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: He's the macho dude.
[00:54:05] Speaker A: And speaking of dogs, we just speak of everything now. But speaking of dogs, it's time for the Burger Sportscast dog of the week.
[00:54:13] Speaker B: You got to play tough people in the national football League. You got to be ready. And we got to be the dogs that we are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack and don't stop until we're in that locker room.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: All right, so we leave it up to our listeners and followers to determine the Burninger Sportscast dog of the week Each week on our live shows on Sunday night, we each nominate a dog of the week candidate. And from there, we turn it over to all of you on our socials to vote and make the final decision. This week's nominees. Kenny.
[00:54:41] Speaker B: Miles Garrett.
[00:54:42] Speaker G: Bone Miles Garrett.
[00:54:45] Speaker A: And high nominated Miles Garrett.
[00:54:47] Speaker B: Surprise.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: After the fan vote that was conducted today on our socials. Yes. I actually put a fan vote out there with Miles Garrett on there three times.
And the. The votes were split, I must say, but this quite evenly. This. No, they weren't.
But this week's Burning river sportscast dog of the week is Miles garrett.
Dude had 6 total tackles, 5 sacks. Broke his own single game sack record. Browns lost by 30.
[00:55:15] Speaker B: Miles was the matchup that mattered.
[00:55:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: Until it didn't matter.
[00:55:19] Speaker A: Didn't matter.
[00:55:20] Speaker G: It just didn't matter.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: That was literally this bone man skeleton key to victory was to get four or more sacks. Miles said, I'll do.
[00:55:27] Speaker A: I got you.
[00:55:27] Speaker B: I'll do five.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: And we lost by 30.
[00:55:30] Speaker B: And then we even said, you know what? We're going to get six as a team.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: And we lost by Durham matter. Yeah, yeah.
[00:55:36] Speaker G: Miles, obvious listener to the show.
[00:55:37] Speaker A: You know how many times.
You know how many times they sacked the Brown Pounds? Once.
[00:55:42] Speaker B: Once. Yeah.
[00:55:43] Speaker A: And we lost by 30. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:55:46] Speaker B: We wouldn't know it, Kenny.
[00:55:48] Speaker A: We gave something away. Speed of Miles Garrett.
[00:55:50] Speaker B: We did give something away.
[00:55:52] Speaker A: If you haven't heard. For the second year, second time this season, we did a giveaway. This time, in partnership with primetime sports and framing, we gave away an autographed Miles Garrett game day poster. Well, we haven't shipped it yet.
[00:56:03] Speaker E: It's right here.
[00:56:03] Speaker A: You can hold it up.
But we did pick the winner with locations in Hartville, Streetsboro, Belton Village, Great Northern and Kent. Primetime sports and framing is EAS wherever you are in Northeast Ohio with the best selection, autograph collectibles and a world class framing operation. They are your go to for officially licensed memorabilia, prime time sports and framing.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: You name it, they frame it.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: The winner was announced Sunday night on our live show. Once again, that winner was bald, bearded, barbecue and dad.
So congratulations once again to you.
I'm, I'm. I'm working on logistics to get this sent out to him. I got to make sure that thing's protected as it goes, you know.
[00:56:40] Speaker B: Yeah, you can't just send that in the mail. No, no stamp big enough for that.
[00:56:43] Speaker A: Uh, but again, congratulations, uh, than to everyone who entered. Keep following for more great Browns content and more chances to win.
With that, let's get into some other Browns news.
All right, so first up, we just talked about it, but Miles Garrett had a huge game. Five sacks. And with those five sacks, he now has the most sacks for a player under 30 in the history of the NFL with 108.5 matter. Brown still sucked.
[00:57:14] Speaker B: Wasn't that the one that broke the record at 108.5? Doesn't he have like 110 now or like 150?
[00:57:20] Speaker A: I don't know. The graphic that came out after, maybe that was the graphic they put out during the game.
[00:57:23] Speaker B: That was the one that. Yeah, during that, like when he did.
[00:57:25] Speaker A: It, that was so 108.5 was the record. He broke it. Whatever he's at now. I don't.
[00:57:29] Speaker B: Yeah, too many Bone effect guy.
[00:57:32] Speaker G: I'm all chained up over here. I'll.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: Maybe next time.
Next up, David Ajoku, Wyatt Teller, and Shador Sanders. Not expected to be moved at the deadline according to Brown's insiders.
Then who the hell are we getting any picks for? That's what I want to know.
[00:57:51] Speaker B: It's a great question.
Yes, we're not.
[00:57:53] Speaker A: I mean, I just assumed that Nijoku is getting moved, but apparently not.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: I think everybody should be on the table. Look, I, as much as I love all the players that play for the Browns, and I wish they could all retire here, this team is 2 and 6 going nowhere fast. You have two first round picks this year. You desperately need to upgrade this wide receiver room, this offensive line.
Um, and you clearly need depth on the defense because, you know, when Schwinger goes out, it's like, all right, what, what else do you got? I mean, he was, he was the one Bright spot on this defense right now. Not the one bright spot, but.
[00:58:27] Speaker A: And it was confirmed. The dreaded high angle bright spot.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: And a guy that you thought, you know, this guy is going to be here for years to come, and it's a building block and. And you're going to miss him probably for most of the rest of the season now.
[00:58:39] Speaker A: Probably going to cost him defensive rookie of the year.
[00:58:41] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you're going to lose 50 or so tackles in that time. So.
[00:58:46] Speaker G: So I got the milestat and I wanted to say it because it's. It's pretty cool because he passed Reggie White.
[00:58:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:52] Speaker G: Yeah. It's 112 and a half. The old record guy for a player under 30.
[00:58:57] Speaker A: The old record was 108 and a half. And Miles still isn't. Isn't 30. So, yeah, he's going to add to this potential.
[00:59:02] Speaker B: Still under.
[00:59:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
And then. So next up here, Jimmy Haslam came out this past weekend and said Kevin's done. This was the quote when asked about Kevin Stefanski. Kevin's done a really good job with us and we've had some tough breaks.
A lot of people saw this as a vote of confidence and just assuming that we're going to keep Kevin through the rest of the year and into next season. What are you guys thoughts on this? Is this just like lip service? It's like, he's my coach right now, so I'm going to say he's doing a good job.
[00:59:31] Speaker B: Well, by definition, it's a vote of confidence, but I don't know that it. I don't know that you can read into it that there's any kind of timeline stipulation there.
You know, it's funny, like, I don't know what people expect to hear the.
[00:59:44] Speaker A: Owner to come out and say, Kevin's doing a really bad job. I might fire him tomorrow.
[00:59:47] Speaker B: Kevin's done a shit job so far with the offense. I'm not sure how we can continue with this guy. Like, you know, and I love this idea that, like, oh, well, Kevin still has the locker room. How do you know? I'm not even saying that he's lost the locker room. I'm just saying how do we know that stuff doesn't come out mid season?
[01:00:02] Speaker A: No, that's something that usually comes out.
[01:00:05] Speaker B: Like two years later, well after the fact. So nothing that Jimmy says really matters at this point. I mean, public.
What else do you do besides back your head coach?
[01:00:13] Speaker A: Well, that's kind of where I was at. Like, this ain't Jimmy Haslam's first rodeo, like, he knows you're going to ask the questions and he's going to answer them as politically correct as possible.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: And from an organizational standpoint, when you fire your head coach for in the middle of the season, you're not doing that. I guess the Cavs didn't want a championship, but that doesn't count.
You're not doing that generally to, to save the season. You're doing it to, to excise the tumor and start to pave a path forward.
[01:00:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:43] Speaker B: That path forward, though, often leads to a lot of losses for the rest of that season. There's not a lot of interim head coaches that have had a lot of success or led their team to the super bowl afterward.
[01:00:53] Speaker A: Rarely do they even keep the head coaching job.
[01:00:56] Speaker B: No. Most of the time, the interim head.
[01:00:57] Speaker A: Coach is, like, the only guy. We saw how that worked out.
[01:01:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Most of the time, the interim head coach is not even in the conversation of the coaching search, so.
[01:01:04] Speaker A: Because he's, he, he's considered part of the old regime, so.
[01:01:08] Speaker B: Right.
[01:01:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:01:08] Speaker B: So as much as we all would love to see, I mean, I do think, like, Jim Schwartz would be a breath of fresh air for this football team. I think he's a football guy, so I'd love to see him come in in an interim capacity. I think they could win a couple extra games. But again, if you're Jimmy Haslam looking big picture, if Jim Schwartz wins four games with you now and the end of the year and you finish 6 and 11, what's that do for you? Yeah, you can keep riding Kevin to the first overall pick in the draft.
[01:01:32] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah. I, I, I just think he said what he had to say at that moment, but say what you need to say. Yeah. Speaking of Kevin, Kevin says we're sticking with Dylan Gabriel after the buy.
Dylan Gabriel, let me just remind everybody, in Sunday's game, completed 21 passes. Five of those were behind the line of scrimmage, 14 of them were between 1 and 10 yards, and just two of them were anything beyond 11 yards. And they were between 11 and 15 yards. There was none beyond 15 yards.
[01:02:00] Speaker B: One of those was in the end zone. The, the no. 1.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: That's not a completion. That's an incompletion.
[01:02:06] Speaker B: Still count as points.
[01:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah. But anyways, he now ranks 34 out of 36 eligible passers in QBR this season.
Just in case you're keeping score here, which everybody except for the Browns seems.
[01:02:20] Speaker B: To do to carry the one. Oh, there's only 32 NFL teams there's.
[01:02:25] Speaker A: There's 32 NFL teams, so that's worse than some. Some people that aren't even starters.
[01:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it feels bad.
[01:02:33] Speaker A: It feels real bad.
[01:02:34] Speaker B: Right.
[01:02:35] Speaker A: So, yeah, Dylan Gabriel, obviously, I don't even care if you, if you, if you do stick with it like I do. I don't want you to stick with it. But, like, why would you come out immediately say, we're absolutely sticking with this guy. There's no conversation when you, like, two.
[01:02:52] Speaker B: Weeks to get ready for the next game. Yeah.
I mean, when you have the guy that's statistically the worst passer in the league for the last four weeks, the obvious decision is to just stay the course.
[01:03:03] Speaker A: What else would we do? I mean, we're right on pace to get the number one pick.
[01:03:08] Speaker B: It's exactly what they did when they had the worst kicker in the league in Dustin Hopkins. We were like, let's just run it back, guys.
[01:03:13] Speaker G: We need to lose to the jets if we want the number one pick.
[01:03:16] Speaker A: That's true. That's true.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: Who are we drafting, drafting with this number one pick?
[01:03:20] Speaker A: Who is the.
[01:03:21] Speaker B: The franchise changing quarterback in this draft? Because coming into this year, this was thought to be this quarterback heavy draft class. This is the one you were waiting for, this draft class.
And all of a sudden there's a new front runner to be the Heisman Trophy candidate every week of the season.
[01:03:36] Speaker A: Not to mention Arch Manning sucks.
[01:03:39] Speaker B: Lenora Sellers was the prime guy for the first four weeks, and now he's not even being talked about.
[01:03:45] Speaker A: Do you think that Arch Manning tanked all season long? She's like, the Browns are going to have a top pick. I'm out.
[01:03:49] Speaker B: I mean, Eli had anything to say about it. He probably just go, sweet nothings or the Jets.
[01:03:55] Speaker G: I feel like you don't even want to go there either. I know it's like a big market, but I don't know. You just go there and die.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: You think he was like, if I just play pretty bad, then maybe I'll just get picked in the second round.
[01:04:04] Speaker B: I mean, truly, as a quarterback, you hope to go to a team that's picking 20 to 30?
[01:04:07] Speaker G: Give me Indiana's quarterback and coach next year.
[01:04:11] Speaker A: That's what you're going with?
[01:04:12] Speaker G: Yeah.
[01:04:12] Speaker A: All right. It's got to be better than we have, right?
[01:04:14] Speaker B: I'm still not convinced in this Indiana thing, but I'm not either.
[01:04:18] Speaker A: When they get humped in the Big Ten championship game by the Buckeyes by.
[01:04:21] Speaker B: 30 points, I keep seeing memes that say the Indiana can beat the Browns. And I'm like, no, you just tell me you know nothing about sports without telling me.
[01:04:29] Speaker A: It's always a fun conversation.
Let's just sum it up real quick. The best team in college football, no matter who it is, would lose to the worst team in the NFL by 40 points.
[01:04:38] Speaker B: How many. How many guys get drafted from the best team in college football every year?
[01:04:42] Speaker A: If you're the Buckeyes, like. Like, I mean, let's say on average, like, there's.
[01:04:46] Speaker B: There's been draft classes that had a lot, that had eight, nine, 10 guys on average, average on the best times five a handful. So five of those guys are able to play professionally across 32 teams.
[01:04:57] Speaker A: Those five? Yeah, right. Those.
[01:04:59] Speaker B: Right.
[01:04:59] Speaker A: Those five guys.
Imagine just a whole team of those five guys. And now on both sides of the ball and backups.
[01:05:06] Speaker B: Keep in mind, we're not talking about the Ohio State Buckeyes or.
[01:05:09] Speaker A: No, we're talking about lsu.
[01:05:11] Speaker I: Get real.
[01:05:11] Speaker B: Indiana, some perennial powerhouse program. We're talking about Indiana, who's having one good year after decades of futility.
[01:05:19] Speaker A: Who. Whoers.
Get out of here.
Anyways, now that we're talking about Cleveland Browns quarterbacks, or we were at least Shador Sanders said it wasn't his choice to sit out the game.
When asked about the injury, Kevin said that Shador came in with tightness on Saturday. They put him through a warmup on Sunday and decided he wasn't fit to play. However, Shador Sanders, after the game, said it wasn't his choice to sit out.
[01:05:48] Speaker B: There was also a very cryptic Instagram post before the game that Shador posted in black and white, him signing autographs to fans in Cleveland Brown Stadium with really no caption.
But it looked by all accounts to be a parting shot, a goodbye photo.
[01:06:07] Speaker G: It was like reminiscing a deal.
[01:06:12] Speaker A: Or even almost like, this ain't me.
I can only do what I can deal. And I don't know, it is all so weird. It just as if this whole season couldn't get any worse. Like, now it starts like, now there's, like this. I mean, it's already started, but now it starts. And we'll get into another big topic in just a second, so just. Just strap in here for a minute. But, yeah, I mean, I don't. This is wild that just immediately after the game, it's like, it wasn't me. And the coach reiterated the next day, like, well, we decided that.
[01:06:44] Speaker B: I mean, I'll go back to what I said Sunday night, which is, I don't necessarily want to see Shador in this offense, because I don't know that you're going to be able to extrapolate anything from what he does to be able to tell you whether or not he's any good as an NFL quarterback.
[01:06:56] Speaker A: Nobody. You can't get anything out of anybody.
[01:06:58] Speaker B: In this offense with, with these wide receivers.
[01:07:01] Speaker A: And I'm not even going there. I don't care if we had wide receivers, just the offense that we run. You're not going to get anything out of it.
[01:07:07] Speaker B: I'm just saying the personnel doesn't help and then the game plan is worse. So I don't know that you're going to get a beat on. Is this guy capable of leading a team at the next level?
I think. I think you have. His college career is going to be a far better barometer of how good he's going to be in the pros than anything he does with the Browns over the next nine weeks.
[01:07:26] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I, I would agree with that.
And, and speaking of the next nine weeks, when Kevin was asked about why he wouldn't want to see what Shador has coming out of the buy, his response was this. And I quote, quote. Yeah, honestly, my focus is where we are. We are right now. That's not my focus. What the does that even mean?
[01:07:45] Speaker B: One of the worst coach quotes I've ever seen.
[01:07:47] Speaker A: What does that even mean? Like, how's. First of all, how does that not have anything to do with where you are right now?
[01:07:52] Speaker G: I feel like.
[01:07:53] Speaker A: Second, like this whole quote doesn't even make sense.
[01:07:55] Speaker B: I feel like we also need a T shirt with this on it. Yeah, I'm focused on where we are right now. That's not my focus. Just put that on a T shirt and wear that around Cleveland.
[01:08:04] Speaker A: What does that even mean?
[01:08:05] Speaker B: Let people know who said that. That this is. This is our. This is our Ivy League mentor.
[01:08:12] Speaker A: And it seems like they're coming more and more rapid fire now. Like all these just mind boggling quotes from Stefanski where it doesn't even make sense. Like he's just trying to talk himself out of a hole.
[01:08:22] Speaker B: What I don't understand is if you're Kevin Stefanski, you're looking down the barrel of right now, which is the end of my.
[01:08:30] Speaker A: You can't say the G word on our podcast.
[01:08:32] Speaker B: The barrel of a bun right now.
And that bun hole holds the end of your tenure with the bun hole.
That bun holds the end of your tenure with the Cleveland Browns.
If you win football games, you could save your job. Yeah, there's no room for Arrogance and ego here. You're going to get fired.
[01:08:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:08:56] Speaker B: And unless you have a guarantee from ownership that says otherwise in. In the red in the regular world, the rest of anyone else that does that, that does their job, that part. Poorly. Gets fired.
[01:09:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:06] Speaker B: So why would you. Why would I keep hearing like Kevin's gonna go down with the ship?
[01:09:12] Speaker D: Why.
[01:09:12] Speaker B: Why this. This is one of the best jobs on the planet. Yes. Like, you don't always get to pick the destination, and you're away from your family a lot, but you can coach in the NFL as a head coach for 10, 12 years and you never have to work again.
[01:09:29] Speaker E: And.
[01:09:29] Speaker B: And you're coaching football. You're around football all day long. Kevin doesn't look like he's struggling to acclimate to the football world. He's handsome as hell. He works out all the time with the guys. He looks great.
You know, other than the fact that he's a really bad football coach beloved by most.
[01:09:45] Speaker A: I don't.
[01:09:46] Speaker B: It's a dream job.
[01:09:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:48] Speaker B: Why would you not do everything you could to hold on to that? I mean, you have to be convinced that Shador Sanders can't play football.
[01:09:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Honestly, his focus is where they are right now. That's not his focus.
[01:10:03] Speaker B: Where you're at right now is 2 and 6, Kevin.
[01:10:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:05] Speaker B: You're 2 and 6. If you win two games all year, you'll get fired.
[01:10:08] Speaker A: Yeah, he will.
Which brings me to my next point.
We kind of started talking about this off air, and I got the gears turning with all of us, like, let's go back to Shador Sanders being drafted. Right.
[01:10:21] Speaker B: And the question of why.
[01:10:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And so, so I know, like, my theory all along has been that that was a Jimmy move, that he sent that down, and that's why both Stefanski and Andrew Barry looked angry when they. The. The camera cut to him on draft day and they showed them drafting Shador and they were just both stone faced, like, almost, like, seriously almost scowling.
And I was like, well, I had to be a Jimmy move because this is what happened. But you had a. You had a. A.
[01:10:46] Speaker B: And I love how afterward the. The.
[01:10:49] Speaker E: Their.
[01:10:49] Speaker B: Their whole explanation of that is like, oh, the camera's on different times and things. So what? The cameras caught you guys right. As someone walked in the room, left a big fart and left.
[01:10:58] Speaker A: Like, that's what it looked like in the fact that when they drafted Dylan Gabriel, they're like, high fiving and they're so excited. And then they get to Shador Sanders and they're Just angry.
[01:11:06] Speaker B: I mean, also, it's NFL draft day.
[01:11:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:11:09] Speaker B: You're making childhood dreams come true for a bunch of young men. Young men that you have spent countless hours.
[01:11:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:11:17] Speaker B: Evaluating, determining do they fit on your. In your program. Program. And you get to call them and be like, I want you.
There's no reason to do anything but smile all weekend long.
[01:11:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:11:30] Speaker B: What is the best job in the world? And it's the best time for that job in the world.
[01:11:35] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:11:36] Speaker B: Everyone should be elated.
[01:11:37] Speaker A: Yep. And I don't know.
You're 100. Right. But I don't know who brought it up, whether it was Boner, whether it was you. Before we started the show on an alternate kind of theory. As far as why they may have been angry. Who brought that up first?
[01:11:52] Speaker B: Well, I think we probably got to back up and start with the fact that. And then we can get into the friction, which is I believe, and I've always believed that this was an Andrew Berry pick. And I think time is now starting to show us the devolution of the relationship between Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefanski. Starting with Kevin Stefanski, who's very tight lipped and says things like, my focus is where we are right now, and that's not my focus.
That guy. That guy got on camera in front of a room full of reporters and said, I was planning on playing Joe Flack last week and I don't know what happened. Got me by total surprise.
[01:12:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:12:26] Speaker B: And. And now we're into the bye week. A time where Andrew Barry's not talking.
[01:12:30] Speaker A: This week, the first time since he's been with the team that he's not having a press conference on bye week.
[01:12:35] Speaker B: Customary for the GM to come out and speak during the bye week. The team is 2 and 6. Andrew Barry has declined to speak to the media.
So you start to put the pieces together and I almost start to wonder, Wonder, was Shador truly Andrew Barry's pick? And was that his final trump card in the event of, hey, if this Kevin Stefanski thing goes poorly again, this is the one kind of, you know, break glass in case of emergency lever I can pull, which is, I gave Kevin an alternative.
Dylan Gabriel was his guy. He wanted to stick with his guy. He wants to go down on the ship, fine. It wasn't me. I gave him a suitable alternative that was projected to be a first round talent. Slid in the dress draft, still a great athlete. I think the kid can play.
That's a message you can relay to ownership and maybe keep your job when everyone else gets fired.
[01:13:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And just, just the fact that Gabriel, I mean, it's well noted, like, that's Kevin Stefanski's guy. So, like, the fact that he's playing like he is, like that just furthers that point. Right? Like, right. Like that's. That's Andrew Barry saying, that guy plays like shit. Well, that wasn't my guy. I drafted Shador Sanders.
[01:13:44] Speaker B: And there have been images during the preseason and camp of Shador kind of dapping up Andrew. So I don't know what their relationship looks like because I'm not in the room and I don't know these guys. But that takes us to the point of the friction on draft day, which is Kevin wanted Dylan Gabriel, forced him to go get him in the third round.
Way overdrafted, by all accounts.
[01:14:08] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:14:10] Speaker B: People might have thought he could be a quarterback in the NFL at some point, but wasn't going to get drafted in the third round.
[01:14:16] Speaker A: Right.
[01:14:16] Speaker B: They went up and get Kevin's guy in a third round.
And then Andrew Barry's going, I need to do something for self preservation bets here. I'm going to hedge my bet and pull in Shador. And now all of a sudden you have a head coach and a GM that aren't on the same page.
That leads to the stinker in the room.
[01:14:34] Speaker A: They got a head coach saying, well, you know, I'm. I'm just dealt the personnel. I'm dealt. And the GM saying, look, I'm giving him good players. He's not using them.
[01:14:42] Speaker B: And if you're Kevin Stefanski, you're saying, not only am I dealt the personnel, I'm dealt. You've dealt me the singular personnel. That is a media firestorm that nobody wanted to touch because of that, that now I have to deal with and manage.
[01:14:54] Speaker A: It is funny because I feel like they both have positives and both have negatives. Like, as far as, like when. When the, when the chips finally fall and they're sitting there pointing fingers at each other like, who. The issue was this. They both have positives, but they both have negatives. Like, well, and again, I think at.
[01:15:08] Speaker B: The end of the day, everybody knows Shador has to play at some point. The Browns have even acknowledged on some level some leak somewhere that he's going to get at least four weeks.
That's Andrew Barry's trump card. Because if Shador comes out and does.
[01:15:21] Speaker A: Anything, is that the Andrew Bear? Is that why Kevin Stefinski so pissed off in all his press conferences that that was the leak from Andrew Barry that was like, we're playing him I don't give a shit what they say in the last four.
[01:15:30] Speaker B: Very possible. Because the thing is, if Shador does anything that is remotely above average.
[01:15:36] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:15:36] Speaker B: You can point to that and say, well, this is.
[01:15:38] Speaker A: God forbid he win a couple games.
[01:15:40] Speaker B: This is the guy that should have been all year long. We tried to tell Kevin that, and he wasn't. He didn't fit in Kevin's system.
[01:15:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I. It's just interesting. Like. Like there's so many different things that could be happening behind the scenes. And. And the funny thing is all these people that talk about, they. They have insiders. They know an insider. Like, ain't nobody knows, like, all this. Like, some of it's being leaked just because it's. It's trying to throw everybody off. It's trying to distract from the fact that the Browns are ass. The Browns are ass.
[01:16:08] Speaker B: From the fact that the Browns are ass. That all almost rhymes.
[01:16:13] Speaker A: But it's. But you can't. There's no distraction there because the Browns are so bad.
[01:16:18] Speaker B: My final thought on this is, what's really, really sad is that we're having a conversation right now trying to understand the psychology of a decision that just should have never been made. A lot of these decisions shouldn't have been made correct. There's no other football team, there's no other sports team, I don't think, on the planet that has this much speculation around what's going on in their front office. For a team that can't win game, teams that don't win, like, that's fine. We know you kind of know what their problems are, and they look to fix them over time. Teams that do win, none of those teams are talking about. Well, there's some weird internal politics and bitterness going on, and these guys have egos and are going to fight about it. And they're really smart because they all went to Ivy League schools and they got, you know, lots of games they can play. They're all playing 5D chess.
Nobody else is playing 5D chess except for Kevin Stefanski, Andrew Barry. And we're sit. Sitting here stuck speculating on who did and who said what and why, instead of just talking about the sport in the game, in football and just saying, hey, we good? Are we bad? Like, what are we doing this week?
[01:17:22] Speaker A: I can't believe it goes beyond 4D chess. We got the 5D now.
[01:17:24] Speaker B: Oh, what's 5D now?
[01:17:25] Speaker A: Dang.
[01:17:26] Speaker B: You don't go to Harvard and graduate with a degree in 40 chess?
[01:17:29] Speaker A: No, absolutely not.
With that. Let's get into the division roundup.
All right, so let's run through the division real quick for this week. Cincinnati lost to the Jets 39 to 38. Unfortunately, I've been saying for a few weeks now that we were going to be the jets first win, but that's not happening now.
We were all wrong here. We all picked Cincinnati. Shame on us.
Next up here, Baltimore beat the Bears 30 to 16.
You know, Baltimore looks bad without Lamar Jackson, but apparently they came back this week and we're like, yeah, we're good. We're okay. So me and Kenny were wrong there. Bone and John were right.
To be fair, John was only right because he went on the assumption that Lamar Jackson was playing, so.
But, yeah, either way, didn't meet him.
[01:18:26] Speaker B: Yeah, they had a former Cleveland Browns quarterback right on the roster.
[01:18:29] Speaker G: I thought the same thing.
[01:18:30] Speaker A: Who put up 30 points.
[01:18:31] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:18:32] Speaker A: So that's two Cleveland Browns quarterbacks from this season that went to other teams and put up 30 points, and he.
[01:18:37] Speaker B: Was the first exodus. They held on to Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco longer.
[01:18:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
Next up, Pittsburgh lost to Green Bay and the worst jerseys of all times. Terrible being. You and Bone were all wrong on that one. We all picked Pittsburgh at home, which you guys talked to me into it. I hate you guys. You guys were like, pittsburgh's at home. Mike Tomlin, Aaron Rodgers, a dick like revenge game. Yeah, all that shit.
[01:18:59] Speaker B: All those things, though deep did matter at the beginning of the game. Like, it was. It was cinema on Sunday night. Like, the.
Aaron Rodgers coming out kind of by himself at the end, after the whole team came out, like, palpable. Yeah, the. The feelings that were going on didn't.
[01:19:13] Speaker A: Matter in the end.
[01:19:13] Speaker B: Didn't matter in the end.
[01:19:15] Speaker A: John was right on this one, though. So John's just having himself a week over here.
And then Cleveland obviously lost. The Patriots, 32, 13. I was very close on the. The score didn't get it, so it doesn't matter, but I was very close on the score. We were all right here. We knew that the Browns had no chance. And so for the AFC north standings are as follows. Pittsburgh's on top at 4 and 3. Cincinnati's at 3 and 5. Baltimore's at 2 and 5. Cleveland is at 2 and 6. Right where we belong at the. At the bottom of the division. And the current king of the north standings are bone at 15 and 11. I am at 13 and 13. John is catching up at 12 and 14. And Kenny, this is not looking good. You're at nine and six. 17.
You okay? With that.
[01:19:59] Speaker B: It'S not over till it's over.
[01:20:01] Speaker A: And with that, as our good friends.
[01:20:03] Speaker B: In North Jersey have reminded us tonight, Browns are only two games out of first place.
[01:20:08] Speaker A: That's true. That's true.
[01:20:09] Speaker B: I'm only three games out of not last place.
[01:20:13] Speaker A: That's true.
And. And with that, let's take a quick trip around the nf.
All right, so first up here, Cam Scatter Boo.
Done for the year. Hip drop tackle. Completely destroyed his ankle. That thing. That thing was gnarly.
[01:20:37] Speaker B: Cte in his leg.
[01:20:39] Speaker A: So he had something bad.
It was. It wasn't good. It was like, you could see, like, the nub of his, like, foot isn't.
[01:20:46] Speaker B: Supposed to point that direction.
[01:20:47] Speaker A: No. And then even. Like, it was even, like, shifted down below his, like.
[01:20:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, full dislocation location.
[01:20:52] Speaker A: Terrible. It was awful. Yeah. Speaking of cams.
[01:20:56] Speaker B: And that's. That's really sad because he's been a lot of fun to watch, honestly. He's been a joy.
[01:21:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:21:01] Speaker B: I'm just headbutting everybody.
[01:21:02] Speaker A: Peyton Hill has walked so Cam Scaboo could run.
[01:21:05] Speaker B: That's right.
[01:21:06] Speaker A: Speaking of cams, Cam Newton got into a fight with a mascot after the mascot threw his hat on the ground this week.
Cam. They were doing some sort of race.
Cam. Cam ended up swinging and put swinging on and pushing the mascot and yelled, stop playing with me.
[01:21:21] Speaker G: Me.
[01:21:23] Speaker A: So, I mean, let me. Let me get this. Let me get this straight, everybody. We had a. We had a segment during. What was the show?
[01:21:29] Speaker B: First take.
[01:21:30] Speaker A: First take where they basically say, hey, come play this game with me. And then they start playing the game with you, and then the mascot takes it a little too far, according to you, and you say, wait, I don't want to play anymore. I'm really mad that you're throwing my hat and you try and fight him. This literally sounds like a toddler. This sounds like my. My daughter's daycare.
[01:21:47] Speaker B: Just a lack of awareness. You're on live tv, tv, and it's a mascot. Like, it's. That's what mascots do.
[01:21:53] Speaker A: They clown people.
Yeah.
[01:21:55] Speaker B: Like, don't be around mascots if you can't handle being around that.
[01:21:58] Speaker A: Like, have you ever seen mascots.
[01:22:01] Speaker B: They're basically.
[01:22:02] Speaker A: Have you ever seen them play against the peewee kids? Like, where they just, like, shove them to the ground and, like. Like, run them over? It's like, that's what mascots do.
[01:22:09] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:22:10] Speaker B: Like, I mean, it's a grown man in a costume. What do you think they're gonna do?
[01:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it just makes Me.
[01:22:15] Speaker G: Me.
[01:22:16] Speaker A: The. The longer Cam Newton is out in the public eye, it just makes me question, like, how much CTE he has, because.
[01:22:23] Speaker B: All right, you're going there.
[01:22:24] Speaker A: Yeah, well, he just talks crazy, man. Like, just everything that comes out of his mouth is insane.
[01:22:28] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know about ct, but I've always wondered about his mindset after he just let that ball dance on the ground in the Super Bowl.
[01:22:36] Speaker A: Fair, fair.
Moving on, though, so I don't get in too much trouble. Kayvon Thibodeau, after the Eagles game, was asked about the tush push fumble, explanation as to why it wasn't a fumble.
Immediately he said, I don't know. It sounds like some bullshit to me.
[01:22:51] Speaker B: Just fair.
[01:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah. And his teammate, Brian Burns, leaned over to him and he said, you're going to get fined. And so Thibodeau immediately said, I'm sorry, I thought that was a great call.
[01:23:01] Speaker B: By the ref for anyone that didn't actually see this. So the tush push has been, yes, the subject of controversy, especially now, the way it's being affected officiated. And effectively the explanation that came out kind of solidified the concept of the idea of the tush push is that you get behind your guys and they get behind you, and then they push you until you get the first down, and so you get the forward progress wherever that stops. But if you fumble it along the way, it doesn't count.
[01:23:31] Speaker A: Which doesn't make any sense because they're still moving forward.
[01:23:34] Speaker G: That's why they said it wasn't a fumble.
[01:23:36] Speaker B: Yeah, they said that they. That his forward progress was. Was stopped now, which if you watch.
[01:23:41] Speaker A: The play, it absolutely was not.
[01:23:43] Speaker B: Which if he had KE moving forward with the ball, they wouldn't have stopped. There would be no but.
[01:23:48] Speaker A: So you're saying as soon as he starts to fumble, he's like, I stopped. Like he just. You just stopped going forward.
[01:23:52] Speaker B: That's basically what they said was once when the ball came out, his forward progress stopped, so the play was dead.
[01:23:58] Speaker A: Which doesn't make any sense. So this goes back to, like, our discussions we've had on banning this. I don't think they should ban it. I think it's ridiculous to ban a play because you can't figure out how to stop it. Like, other teams can run it well. But the problem is.
[01:24:08] Speaker B: But if the play to stop it is to stand you up and take the ball from you, and that doesn't solve the issue. I don't know how you're supposed to stop it. But now you Just physically can't stop it.
[01:24:18] Speaker A: No. The problem with this play though was because I, I did watch it. He absolutely forward progress was not stopped. He was still.
[01:24:24] Speaker B: He was still moving.
[01:24:26] Speaker A: So that's how you stop it. Like, they, they. It was a fumble. It was 100% a fumble. The problem is not with the play itself. It's with the officiating, which has always.
[01:24:35] Speaker B: Been a part of the conversation because they, they. The idea is that the alignment is even putting guys in the neutral zone, which should be illegal.
[01:24:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And all that stuff, I do believe all that stuff should be talked about and it should be on the officials to get it right. It should be on the NFL to get it right. But you don't ban a play because other teams can't figure out how to run it as good as you can.
And yeah, I think this was a big miss by the NFL here in the fact that they didn't know how to, how to officiate it.
[01:25:05] Speaker B: Well, I just do think if you can't officiate it properly, then something has to change.
[01:25:12] Speaker A: Agree to disagree. I don't know.
[01:25:14] Speaker B: Every tush push should go to a manual review from the booth until the NFL gets it right.
[01:25:19] Speaker A: I mean, I'm fine with that.
[01:25:20] Speaker E: Whatever.
[01:25:21] Speaker A: And then finally and around the NFL, jets legend Nick Mangold in Ohio State. Legend Nick Mangold passed away at 41 from complications from kidney disease this week. So just really sad situation gone way too soon.
And just like a. Seriously, a legend like that dude was Buckeye. Yeah, he was awesome.
Awesome.
[01:25:44] Speaker B: Very sad.
[01:25:44] Speaker A: So, thoughts out to his family.
I usually don't say this, but the jets organization and everybody else that was affected by this, you know.
[01:25:54] Speaker B: Well, I think his network was large. There were a lot of guys broken up about this over the weekend.
[01:25:58] Speaker A: And he's so young. 41, man. I mean, that's like a few years older than us, let's be honest.
[01:26:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:26:03] Speaker A: So.
[01:26:05] Speaker B: Real quick, before we end this segment, go to the next one.
Did you see the official ruling on the Vikings field goal in the Browns game that hit the crosswire?
[01:26:15] Speaker A: No. Did they say it should have been redone?
[01:26:16] Speaker B: And they said the NFL admitted that it was a mistake and should have been a re. Kick, but that they weren't going to strike the statistic and that it's still a mistake kick and that it was a visual anomaly or something.
[01:26:31] Speaker A: A UFO basically, is what. What happened.
[01:26:34] Speaker B: Knocked it off course.
[01:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay.
[01:26:37] Speaker B: Just thought that was interesting.
[01:26:38] Speaker A: We have a rule in there for camera wires, but not for UFOs. So that's what we're going with.
Yeah, I don't know. Whatever.
Kenny, it's time for another interview. But since we're on by and the Browns aren't playing anyone, we're going to bring in the president of presidents of the Browns back worldwide.
[01:26:57] Speaker B: How much money do you make a year before taxes?
I'm actually not comfortable answering that. Come on, we're doing the interview now, not you.
[01:27:09] Speaker A: All right, so as I mentioned at the top of the show, we're gonna have a number of friends on today. And so now it's time to talk to another one of those friends of the show. Kenny.
[01:27:17] Speaker G: Matt.
[01:27:17] Speaker A: Kenny.
[01:27:20] Speaker E: Go.
[01:27:20] Speaker A: Let's go, baby. Let's go. How you doing, Kenny?
[01:27:23] Speaker D: Hey, man, you know what? I'm sitting here being a Browns fan. Kind of sad. It's a Monday. I'm used to that. You know I'm used to that. But you know, I'm wearing my Jays cap. I'm up here in Canada. We're having a great time watching the Jays and that kind of knocks off some of that Cleveland Browns rust.
[01:27:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's definitely not a guardians cab, but I mean whatever. Whatever floats your boat. Oh, we're in the World Series.
Listen, Kenny, the only thing that I hate more than talking Browns at the moment is the fact that your name is Kenny and his name's Kenny and you guys get to sit here and be the Kenny's on our show.
[01:27:59] Speaker D: Yeah, that's why I went for Kenny Mack, man. At least I got the M on there.
[01:28:02] Speaker A: So we true, it's a strong man, redeeming quality.
But no, let's go ahead and get into the things I. I said. I hate talking about Brown. So let's talk about the Browns.
First question here. What. What's going on with this quarterback carousel? As much as they. They say there's a plan. Plan. Has there truly been no plan this whole time? Are we just winging it? What comes next? Like what is going on here?
[01:28:24] Speaker D: Dude, you're you. Your guess is as good as mine. We're at least consistent. This has been going on since 1999. Guys. There is no real long term plan. They're just been winging it since they've come back. And the plan.
You guys know what the plan was? It was supposed to be Watson and it never came to fruition.
[01:28:43] Speaker A: We threw a hell of a ton.
[01:28:44] Speaker D: Of money at that guy and we got to get rid of that to get somebody in here that's going to be any good.
But it's going to be musical chairs until Then, because with Dylan, I mean, he doesn't quite look like he has it and it looks like he's a Stefanski guy. Where, I mean, when we got him, it was a head scratcher for me. When we got dtr, it was a head scratcher for me. They kind of seem like the same player. And then, you know, you're in Draft day, you're like, okay, well, I guess we got our quarterback. I'm a Buckeye guy. I saw him beat us. I like.
It was impressive, was it not? And then you throw Shador on that and it's still that revolving door and we're still in that same Brown fandom where we're like, okay, well we want the next guy. As soon as Dylan's out there, the, the Shador fans want. And soon as Shador's out there, probably some guys will want Bailey's appy again. And you know, when Bailey Zappy's out there, there, whoever the, the fifth string quarterback is, somebody's going to want him too. So was there a plan? I don't know if we passed on or it was Jackson Dart and we, we didn't get him. We didn't trade up for him like we wanted to. We got Swinger instead, who knows? But the plan is, is we need another quarterback for next year. And that's what it is. To make a long story short, because right now it ain't working. I know Shador.
If Shador was that great, he'd be out there. Because these guys need a job. They want to win. There's no, there's no, there's no way on this earth that these guys want to lose. Right?
[01:30:16] Speaker A: You don't, you don't think ego plays into that at all. You don't think there's any of that. He wasn't my guy. I was forced to take him. Any of that stuff that they're talking about behind the scenes because he can't. I mean, here's, here's my other question. I asked this on our live show Sunday night. If Shador is that bad that you're going to tell me that Dylan Gabriel's head and shoulders ahead of him and he needs to be starting.
Why did we draft Shador at all, man?
[01:30:46] Speaker D: That's a, that's another great question. I mean, this is such a, it's so ambiguous. Like this team along with its identity. I mean, what are, what are we doing on offense? Like, if you take a look at Stefanski, I did a mock draft a long time ago and people just called me Crazy. I didn't. I didn't put a quarterback in it at all. You know what I did? I just put. Well, what made us great back when we were. When he started, I took two running backs and I took two tight ends and I took an offensive tackle with my top five picks. Right. I think our tight end situation's okay, but Stefanski generally plays 12 and 13 personnel, so I think we could use one more better tight end. And you can kind of call Harold Fannin a weapon. But what I did is I traded down to the Raiders and I took Michael Mayer from them. So I was one tight end. I drafted Fannin and then I drafted Genty with their pick. And guess who I drafted with the last of our top five picks? I drafted Cam Scatter Boo. And you know what people said? You're effing crazy. No way on earth anyone would ever do that, Ever. Now if we had all those guys, I think that the other pick I took was Jeff or no, sorry, Jack Besh, because he was a big receiver and he could block. Then there's an identity there for you. The purpose of the draft wasn't really to be right. It was the identity of running the ball. And we don't have that. If you take a look at Dylan Gabriel right now and you saw him, I was down in London, London, England, for that game. He had that. The stats, what was. He was 202 yards, two touchdowns or whatever.
[01:32:21] Speaker E: He was.
[01:32:21] Speaker D: No interceptions. Those were. Those were Baker Mayfield's original stats, you know, in his first five games with Stefanski. Because he had Hunt and he had Chubb. And if you had Scatter Boo and you had Genti. I'm not saying this is going to work. I'm just trying to relate to where my thought process was. This might be a better team. You might be better set up to help Dylan. Now with Dylan, like, look at him, he's a third round pick. I don't think he should be playing this year, you know, so getting rid of Flacco and getting rid of Pickett is like, that would. That's tough to deal with right now because I think we need a veteran out there. Maybe Pickett's legs would help. Because I watched Drake May run all over us and we knew he was going to run. We 100% knew that was going to happen. They had nothing for it.
[01:33:06] Speaker A: Right.
[01:33:06] Speaker D: And that's something I want to see out of Dylan, but I don't see it. You know, I see the same thing that people complain about Shador Sanders, how he kind of fades back kind of to the wars of flats. And he's looking and he doesn't know where to go. He looks lost. Right?
So I don't know what these guys are doing, but it's, it's tough to.
[01:33:25] Speaker B: Say to, to dive in a little bit deeper, I guess, on Dylan, do you have a grade for him so far this season? I mean, obviously tough sort of circumstances, you know, I think it's maybe hasn't played as well as we would have liked, but like, is it too early to write him off and is that, is that even fair? And, and to be fair, like, should Brown's fans be concerned with fair at this point after how this has been mismanaged for 26 years at that position?
[01:33:50] Speaker D: Yeah, they should be super concerned because I mean, they're just not getting it right. And unfortunately with Stefanski, everything's going kind of backwards. And even with Dylan Gabriel, I think be fair to say, coming out of the, the Vikings game, you might have given him a C plus or a C. But unfortunately, like in the NFL, you want to see constant, measurable improvement. And maybe you might have a bad game because someone just has your number that week, but we've seen the exact opposite. He's going backwards. He's not getting any better. The offensive line is getting worse and even our receivers are getting worse. So if that's all happening like that snowball effect that I'm telling you about, how do you even grade him then? Right?
You take a look at yesterday's game, he just looked frustrated. Like that safety he took was frustrating. Frustration.
[01:34:32] Speaker A: You know, I like this half hearted point to like, there's a guy over there. Yeah, yeah, there was a guy or whatever.
[01:34:39] Speaker D: I mean, I don't know if you saw the breakdown of that play, but gave Gage Larva, Dan was the slot and he ran up and he did a post, he was wide open.
You know, he could have hit him on that, but he's, he's like panicking and, or he's not seeing over people, which, you know, I get tired of the short references because most of the guys making the short references are his height. Right. And they're not showing short people, you know, and with him. So I, I mean, I don't know what you give him. I'd have to give him, give him an incomplete and I'd have to give any quarterback an incomplete with this, this roster. Because, I mean, I don't know what you do. Like if you want to blame Stefanski, for example, you tell me, say this. See this Is this is going to be super whimsical. Okay, we trade Stefanski for Andy Reid today. Are we any better record wise with this, with this team? Maybe we beat the Vikings, so maybe we got one more win. I don't know who wins with this team.
[01:35:35] Speaker A: You know, I will say this, Kenny Mac, we'd absolutely be better with. With Andy.
And here's why I say that, because you've seen a number of guys now and you actually were leading me into this with Dylan Gabriel missing the post anyways, and I'll start there. Is that panic or is that that Kevin Stefanski's offense has been drilled into him and he said, this is my. My read. That's where I go. I'm not even looking at that guy because that's where I go.
[01:36:02] Speaker B: That guy's too far down.
[01:36:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that guy's way too far down the field. That's where I go right there. Nobody's there. I'm. I'm a throw it there anyways.
And so that's, that's where it takes me into this. If we had Andy Reid, you definitely have more wins because there's multiple things. I think the biggest thing of all is what Kevin Stefanski lacks is there's no accountability. And he's not a leader of men, from what I see. And I know they can sit there and say that the, the locker room respects him and everything else that might be the case. There might be a little bit of respect there, but he's not getting anyone excited to play.
He's not getting anybody ready to go. And I know these are grown men and they should do it themselves as well, but I mean, people were excited to play for Andy Reid. People were excited to play for Dan Campbell. Like, those guys instill confidence in a team and Kevin Stefanski just ain't it.
[01:36:51] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a point that you're bringing up. And one thing that I. One thing about Stefanski and one thing I did not like you guys remember when Baker interview injured his shoulder? Okay. I had this conversation with guys buddies today.
Would, would any other coach would have sat him and started Case Keenum that whole year. Now I don't know if he had contract talk and that's what made him go. But I was at the Lions game. I was at that game when they booed him, booed Baker off the field. Like, we watched him warm up. He could barely move. I was like, why is Case Keenum not in this game? And fair enough. He played the first half, put Case Keenum in the second. You're up two touchdowns. He almost lost the game. You know, and he, like, the coach has got to put his foot down. The general manager's got to put his foot down. You know, I heard, I heard whispers that, like, you know, Stefanski fired the guys up for Miami. I don't know what that is. And maybe Alex Van Pelt was the fiery guy and he's gone now and they just don't have a fiery leader in the coaching room. You think it might be Schwartz? Like, I don't know. But I was being a little facetious with the Andy Reid thing with just the point out our deficiencies on offense, because if you take a look and I don't know if you guys like pff, but it is a grading.
[01:38:06] Speaker A: Oh, we, we get into all kinds of analytics here. Pff, brs, abc, cbs, tnt. Yeah, any.
Yeah, we just. Yeah, guys, we're.
[01:38:16] Speaker D: We're like really low in the passing offense. Like really low. And it's the passing, the. Just our offensive line, our receivers just. Nothing's meshing. But I mean, you're right, it could just be the system. Andy Reid comes in, puts in the system, then we've won two games instead of one. Like, who knows, right?
[01:38:33] Speaker B: When I think that's, to me, where that falls off a little bit is, I think it's hard to say, okay, we had a different coach right now. Would there be a difference? But isn't the reason we're at where we are because of the collective effort to get here? If we are to believe that Stefanski and Barry are lockstep on personnel decisions and all these things, like, you didn't get to 2 and 6 without building. 2 and 6.
[01:38:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:38:59] Speaker D: Yeah. Well, they were lockstep with Desean Watson. We are void of talent. And you know what? We saw this. We should have saw this coming. And we should have saw it coming when we cleared the benches two years ago against the Bengals and they whooped us just before we got in the playoffs and we were void of talent. We had no depth. And look at us now. We're the same team. And nobody wants to come here. No receivers want to come here. There's just. Nobody wants to come here. It's not.
We need. We need some talent. And they. Hey, man, they hit a jackpot this year with these, with these rookies, from what I can see, man, I got a Swissinger jersey. I'll wear that all day. Got his signature on it. Love it. You know, and Harold Fannin Jr. I would give the defensive tackle a little bit time because that's a hard one to sometimes learn. But man, junkins is a beast. Like I don't know about Dylan, but you're not going to hit on all 70 year picks, right? Maybe she does going to be something. We'll see.
[01:39:59] Speaker A: And a couple things about the draft, I agree with you. The three, those three rookies that you named are phenomenal great picks.
But I also kind of get the feeling around, just like Browns fans in general is that a lot of people give Andrew Barry like a pass now they're like, oh well, he had a good draft. Well, my astute colleague here has said on multiple occasions every other draft, yeah, if, if a guy punches you in the face every day for six years, but then one time he, he shows up and gives you chocolates and flowers so you're like, oh this guy's really nice. Like that's not how it works. He's been, he's had bad draft after bad draft after bad draft and yes, he hit on those three. But again, we stick just in this draft. If you're telling me right now Shadow Sanders can't start over Dylan Gabriel, then what the hell did we draft draft him for?
[01:40:49] Speaker D: Yeah, I, I, I don't get that. And you made a good point about the quarterback too. Like I was kind of thinking when you were talking there, like man, if, and back to the Andy Reid thing too is like imagine if we had, you know, Patrick Mahomes instead of Andy Reid. We just swap out quarterbacks. How much better that would be, right? And where that gets me is we are just so devoid of offensive talent that Barry has brought in, we just, nothing has kind of worked even, even the Amari Cooper deal. Like we got a fifth, we got two.
That was a pretty good deal if you want to count that as a draft pick. But then he just fell off a cliff and then he retired on a team, you know, I mean like we dodged a bullet there, so we got rid of him. But if you take a look at that offensive talent that he's tried to bring in, it's just hasn't been able to be developed. And it's not one of these things where it didn't work out here and we were bums as developing. Those guys are out of the league. Like Schwartz is out of the league. You know, look at Jed Wills. He doesn't want to play till he's healthy. I don't know what planet he's on. You're never healthy when you're playing football. You play hurt, not injured. Right?
And any Other talent after that that's been offensive just has not worked out for us.
[01:41:59] Speaker A: Hold on, hold on. One other thing. Just while you were talking about that is the devoid of talent aspect of this twofold here Kenny has talked about, he talked about just a little bit ago is they helped get us here.
But then my other question is like I don't understand the.
You just look at through social medias and everything. There's a lot of people that are giving Kevin Stefanski a pass cause they're like, well he's got nothing to work with. Well again you're, you're part of that. But not you, Kenny. Kevin Stefanski is part of that. But also on top of that, like is it the system?
Because I know you look across the league and every year there's, there's teams with probably about the same talent level that the Browns have right now, or worse, at least about the same that win more games, that their, their passing attack isn't last in the league and they don't have a quarterback who's ranked 34 out of 36 that's below the starters. For anybody there listening, like that doesn't happen. And we've seen now multiple. Pretty much every quarterback he's ever worked with ends up at some point devolving into probably the most terrible quarterback play we've ever seen out of that particular player. So I mean, what are we doing here? Like why, why does Stefanski get a pass on so much of this?
[01:43:14] Speaker D: Yeah, it's a good question because I mean you take a look at the Steelers to, oh, probably three years ago when Ben Roethlisberger was retired, what was the offense? You guys could just name it off right now. Three yards in a cloud of dust and they get six yards, it'd be a third and four and they do a five yard pass and they do that over and over and over and maybe you get a 10 yard pass. It's almost like what we're running right now. The only difference is is their defense made it work. Their defense got turnovers and they, they always win 10 games.
We don't have that for some reason. I don't know why this Stefanski can't beat it into them. Like Schwartz is a fiery guy. I don't get it. You know, so is it us? Is it like we're just bad mojo being on the lake and we're going to move to Brook park and it goes away and then everything's going to be, you know, hunky dory? Like you know, again that's Whimsical, it's not real. But as far as the fit, there's just something not working. And if you're getting into this point and you're going to want season tickets for this brand new stadium, something's got to give and it's just not working right now. You can't go two years where it's three and four.
[01:44:16] Speaker E: 14.
[01:44:17] Speaker D: You can't have it. Like my backers are sick of it. Everybody's sick of it. You know, they just want to, just want to see a winner, you know, and, and for whatever reason, Stefanski can't get it done. It could be what you're saying. He's just not a leader of men. He's, he's a, he's an X and O guys that is just uninspiring even that.
[01:44:35] Speaker A: He's the worst ex knows guys I ever saw.
[01:44:37] Speaker B: And I wanted to double click on that too because, and this is an earnest question, it sounds like you've been more games this year than I certainly have. I watch them all on tv.
When was the last time. And maybe it is happening. We just don't see it on tv. But when was the last time you saw Kevin Stefanski talk to a player on the sideline? Because I can tell you there were three camera cuts of Mike Vrabel on Sunday talking to his players, talking to his quarterback coming off the field. Kevin Stefanski has a rookie quarterback in there that is struggling. Why have I not seen a single camera cut of him on the side the of sideline head in hand with Dylan Gabriel saying, hey, head up, like we're gonna get the next one, you know, some kind, any, anything. And I haven't seen them him talk to any player on the sideline. And I can't tell you, three years, he's just always standing there on his headset looking at that play sheet.
[01:45:25] Speaker A: Good. At his menu.
[01:45:25] Speaker B: And so, and maybe I'm just, again, maybe I'm just missing it because it's not on tv, but I find it odd that we haven't seen that on TV a single time in three years.
[01:45:35] Speaker D: He gives a couple guys, from what I've seen, kind of a pad or whatever when they go by, but it's a good, it's a good. That's a good thing to say. But because actually, you know what, it kind of goes back to this.
I think since Bill Belichick was the coach, I'm going to go way back because we discussed how old I was and you guys were surprised by it. But I remember when Bill Belichick was our coach. Okay. Bill Belichick didn't want a defensive coordinator. He wanted to do the defense and he wanted to be the head coach. Since him, I can't think of a coach that actually was just our head coach.
Can you guys think of one? Like, Hugh Jackson did the offense. Oh, no, you. Jackson was forced for about, like, eight weeks to have Todd Haley as his offensive coordinator. Okay, so take that eight weeks out. Right? Then Greg Williams still ran the defense a little bit, but he was the actual head coach. So that was a weird situation in 218. Okay, but before that, you had Shermer, you had Hugh Jackson, you had.
What's the guy. He had the one year. I can't remember. He was our old tight ends coach. Even Butch Davis would have been the actual. An actual head coach. He had an offensive and defensive coordinator. He'd have Faggio. He had.
I can't remember him. He was the Tampa Bay coach.
[01:46:50] Speaker B: Bruce Arans.
[01:46:51] Speaker D: Bruce Arans. Thank you.
[01:46:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So that.
[01:46:54] Speaker D: That's the only guy I can think of, and maybe that's part of it. He's so busy concentrating on the game. He's just not being like a dude, a dude in the locker room. And that's what some of the. That's what, like, Andy Reid is like. He's hugging his guys. Look at Kevin o', Connell, you know, he's like, almost sitting in everybody's lap all through the whole bench. Like, that guy's awesome. You know?
[01:47:15] Speaker A: So it goes along with fans in general. Like, I hear all the time, people are like, jimmy Haslam needs to sell the team and stop messing with it. Like, you know, Kevin's defense, like, in the same. People will love on Kevin Stefanski and say how great he is. Like, so let me get this straight.
Sorry. I'm really distracted by what's going on over here. That guy had a mouse in his mouth.
So you got the. You got the fans that they'll love on or they'll hate on Jimmy Haslam and say he needs to sell the team because he's too involved with everything else.
You'll also have fans that sit there and say that Kevin Stefanski is too involved with this or that. Like, it's, It's. It's like the fans pull in every which direction. It's. And. And I don't know what which way is. Right. But I would think that as a leader, you need to put the pieces in place to just be able to say, you do your job, you do yours. I'm Going to oversee this whole thing and into your guys's point like that frees him up to go talk to these players to, to say, you know, I know you're having a moment here or something happened here. We'll get them next time. Get your head up, get in the game, whatever the case may be. And we just there, there isn't time for that and there's never time for that. And it's, it's, it's been coach after coach after coach and it's just, it's mind boggling to see that we just have no leadership, actual leadership.
[01:48:34] Speaker B: And, and maybe we're nitpicking and maybe this is microanalyzation of just the two. I guess it's frustration, half decades of frustration because that other fan bases don't to have to deal with.
[01:48:44] Speaker D: Yeah, it's a big time frustration because the easiest thing you can do is pull yourself into social media and whoever has a like opinion that you do, then you're like, yeah, that's it. He's doing this. He sucks. You know, I, I, I'm a firm believer in for what I do with the Browns and having a chance to meet you guys. These guys don't want to wake up and be losers. But the problem is they're not winning.
You know, they're not winning. So you know, I've been in sales. You can get in loser mentalities and you have to get out of that club or that, that business sector or whatever and you just have to go find something new and something that works for you. The other thing that it possibly could be is he's just probably a good offensive coordinator and not a good coach. Maybe the head coach thing isn't for him. We had Pat Shermer, he's a decent offensive coordinator. He can put points on the board. But man, when I listen that guy in a press conference, he did not fire me up. Now Freddy Kitchens could fire me up a little bit. I'd want to have a cocktail with that guy. But he couldn't coach worth a damn, you know.
[01:49:44] Speaker A: True. Yeah. I mean there is some balance but and I'll to just a quick rebuttal of your point just now. I don't even think he's a good offensive coordinator. Who's going to hire him after he put this offense out on the field for several years?
[01:49:57] Speaker D: Yeah, fair point. I mean when you can't scratch or 14 points. Yikes.
[01:50:01] Speaker A: Like at least if you're going to be the head coach and not pay attention to the whole team because you're coaching the offense. The offense better be damn good and it's the worst in the league.
[01:50:11] Speaker B: Well before we wrap up here, Kenny, I just wanted to ask you one other kind of question just in a different direction here.
Just being that you're one of the most well read Browns fans that we know and the fact that you live.
[01:50:24] Speaker A: He'S the president of the presidents internationally.
[01:50:28] Speaker B: I think you bring up maybe a unique perspective to this. But there's just been so much talk about expanding the league and you have all these international games Brazil, London, Berlin, Dublin.
Does it feel like maybe there's been too much emphasis on these other markets when when the path of least resistance might be looking to Canada first similar to the mlb, right. You have in the NHL there's already a cfl so you know there's an appetite there. Does it feel like the NFL is maybe missing a huge opportunity right under their nose? Not thinking about teams, you know, to not think about North American expansion into Canada and even Mexico first as as proof of concept internationally considering the travel and scheduling nightmare that comes with the transatlantic commute and all that.
[01:51:18] Speaker D: Yeah, they seem to be chasing a bit. If you get into Canada though, the one the issue is the dollar and the same with the in Mexico, right. Mexico City has a huge could have a huge fan base. Especially like they love the Raiders, they love the LA teams. The problem is is the dollar is not as good. So then you have players that want to get into another country but then they have to worry about their dollar. Now that's the same for across the ocean. However the British pound is strong like man for in as a Canadian you have to I have to pay double anything that I is a dollar. I pay two dollars. Right. So that's man that's something that maybe that the NFL wants is a strong dollar coming up into their system. Not a weak one. But overall you got to spend less money coming over to Canada. You know that might be the other thing they want. It's cheaper for them to run a team on this side. So Vancouver and Toronto might be an idea. But then Seattle's unhappy for Toronto you'd have a bunch of unhappy clubs. You would have even the Lions. Like you get Detroit affiliate TV all the way up here in Ottawa, Canada, you know. And so you got Lions fans around here, got Patriots F fans around here in Ottawa you would New York's you can drive down to New York in about nine hours. You know. So you got Giants and Jets fans, Browns fans in Toronto area. They got a huge following all the Way down the border of Buffalo, because the, the Bills didn't exist until 1966. Right. And then you have the Bills, who would be the biggest objection. Right. They're just 2/2 hours down the road. Right. So that would be a huge thing. But yes, there is an appetite there'. There's a ton of Browns fan. Sorry, a ton of NFL fans. I meant to say throughout Canada. And we're all close to the border. Right. It's not far to get to Minnesota. It's not far to get to Seattle. It's not far to get to Detroit, to Brown, to Cleveland, to even Pittsburgh and, you know, Buffalo. So I think it could possibly work. The dollar and the players will have to come because the biggest thing that the Raptors have a problem with is getting American players to want to play in Toronto. Getting American Hawks hockey players is a different story because you almost have to go to Canada to be a good American hockey player. You don't have to, but you know what I mean? You're going to want to go to the country where it's the best. Right. Where you guys are the, the football country.
[01:53:48] Speaker E: Right.
[01:53:48] Speaker D: So you got to get down. Like, if you're a player like me, when I was in high school, I'd want to get a US Scholarship, not a Canadian scholarship. I'd love less of a chance of making the NFL or whatever I wanted to do with my football career. Just better to have a US One. Right. So same with basketball. But basketball is becoming more worldly as well.
[01:54:07] Speaker A: Interesting perspective. This is why we ask our foreign friend.
[01:54:12] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, like, hey, man, like, as long, as long as they do.
[01:54:15] Speaker A: Like, he knows foreign relations better than we do. We're in our American bubble here. We know nothing.
[01:54:21] Speaker D: They just have. They just have to get it right. Like the, the, the way to get it right is you get the football stadium. You get that. You get that.
[01:54:28] Speaker I: That.
[01:54:28] Speaker D: Right. And make all the other teams happy that that stadium is going to be close to. And then it should work.
[01:54:34] Speaker A: Yeah. You don't, you don't think fans, like, so if they put one in, we'll just use Toronto. Because that came up a couple times. Whoever the fans in Toronto are fans of in the US you don't think they'd all switch over and be Toronto fans if Toronto built a stadium right there?
[01:54:49] Speaker D: I, I think they would. I think they would. I don't know what would happen with the Argonauts. It's kind of like an offseason that they're kind of off. Right. Because the season CFL starts in, I think the preseason starts in May and it ends the Gray Cups like next month, mid month. And so again, it's just.
I would.
[01:55:08] Speaker A: You guys got wacky rules up there, let's be honest.
You know what?
[01:55:12] Speaker D: So it's becoming more Americanized and I can't remember what it is, but like they're, they're gonna move like our, our field goal is like right on the, the, the zero yard line, right, like, right, right as you get into the end zone, they're moving it back like as per American rules. Also the field like it's like 110 by like 115 or something. Everything's condensing by 10 yards now. Right. So our end zones. Your end zones are what, 10 yards? Our end zones are like 25, I think, or they're 20. I can't remember what it is. Right. So they're going to condense everything a little bit in the next two years, are going to make like those subtle changes.
So we'll see what happens. But I think if the NFL did come to Canada, it would go over well. Would I become a Toronto whatever fan? No, I'm die hard Browns. Forget about it. I'm not changing anything in my man room here. So I got Brown stuff to go out into my garage. Like it goes upstairs and all the way around. So I'm not changing.
[01:56:09] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, Brown fans are the best. Of course none of them are leaving but, but everybody else, you know.
[01:56:14] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:56:14] Speaker A: Talk about Seattle fans. Jets fans. Nobody likes the Jets. The Giants, like all those, all those guys. Yeah, the goddamn Jets. Yeah, yeah, I think they'd all switch. But listen, Kenny, we'd like to, to stay on all night and talk to you.
Obviously it's always a good time when you're on the show, but we do, we have like 47 other interviews to do tonight, so we appreciate your time. We hope to have you on again soon and hopefully, hopefully the rest of the season. Can we could, we could get a few more wins.
[01:56:44] Speaker D: So you guys, are you guys getting up to Vegas? Vegas or.
[01:56:46] Speaker B: No, no, not this year.
[01:56:48] Speaker A: Not this year.
[01:56:49] Speaker D: I will be there. I will be there. So I will have a good time. I will try and get one more game in in Cleveland. I'll let you know when I'm down.
[01:56:56] Speaker B: Yeah, keep us posted.
[01:56:58] Speaker D: Right on, guys.
[01:56:59] Speaker A: All right, thanks a lot, Kenny.
[01:57:00] Speaker E: Take care.
[01:57:05] Speaker D: Yo, it's Kenny Mack and you're listening to the Burning River Sportscast.
[01:57:09] Speaker A: Let's go, Brownies.
Ah, good time talking to Kenny Mack, huh?
[01:57:18] Speaker B: Anytime you talk To a guy named Kenny, you know, it's a winning day.
[01:57:22] Speaker A: I. I stand by what I said. I just hate the fact that you guys are both named Kenny.
[01:57:26] Speaker B: Here's the thing.
[01:57:26] Speaker A: If it was just him being Kenny, Kenny Mac would be dopest guy I know. Probably.
[01:57:31] Speaker B: Kenny Mac probably should just have his own show. He doesn't. He doesn't need us to be here. Like, he's so well read, but it's fun to have him on our show.
[01:57:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it was good having Kenny Mack on.
[01:57:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it was good.
[01:57:44] Speaker A: I like Kenny.
[01:57:45] Speaker B: Generic agreement.
[01:57:46] Speaker I: Yeah.
[01:57:48] Speaker A: I like how you call me out for just agreeing with you. Like, I'm not even allowed to agree with you on our show.
[01:57:53] Speaker B: Good analysis and breakdown there, Ronnie James.
[01:57:57] Speaker A: I.
Let me distract you.
[01:58:00] Speaker B: Just move on.
[01:58:01] Speaker D: Bye week.
[01:58:02] Speaker B: No one's listening anyway.
[01:58:03] Speaker A: Wait, what's that? It's. It's. I think we got an incoming message. No, no, no, I think he's here.
[01:58:07] Speaker G: Here.
[01:58:07] Speaker A: I think it's Brownster Night. It's time for Mission Control with Brownster Night.
[01:58:16] Speaker B: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4.
[01:58:22] Speaker E: 3, 2, 1, 0.
Ignition.
[01:58:28] Speaker A: Liftoff.
[01:58:30] Speaker B: Lift off.
[01:58:31] Speaker A: 30 minutes after the alternative.
All right, guys, I bet you can't guess who I'm gonna bring on right now.
[01:58:38] Speaker B: We have another guest.
[01:58:39] Speaker A: It's. It's another friend of the show.
[01:58:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, we have lots of friends of the show.
[01:58:43] Speaker A: There's lots of friends of the show tonight. But. But this one's special.
[01:58:46] Speaker B: How special?
[01:58:47] Speaker A: He's a. He's kind of.
He's. He's real special. He's.
He's a super fan and he sends his videos every week, so he's pretty special.
[01:58:55] Speaker B: I know that guy.
[01:58:56] Speaker A: Yeah, it's brownster. Not brownster.
[01:59:04] Speaker B: There he is.
[01:59:04] Speaker A: You don't feel like wearing that.
[01:59:05] Speaker B: All.
[01:59:05] Speaker A: You're. You're on Earth, so you can take it off now. I know usually when you send in your videos, you're. You're like on. On the moon or something.
[01:59:11] Speaker E: I can breathe here.
[01:59:12] Speaker A: I can bring galactic.
[01:59:14] Speaker E: I can breathe.
[01:59:16] Speaker A: So listen, first of all, what's going on with our intergalactic comrade? We see you kind of out there doing things, different projects for organizations. Anything new or exciting you've been working on or new exception. Experiences. New experiences, yeah.
[01:59:30] Speaker E: Just trying to. Just try to get better at the podcasting stuff. I. I'm on a podcast every. Every Thursday. Sports fans, addicts. So it's just trying to get. Trying to get better with the camera going out to games and. I mean, the last one is trying to stay dry, man. We. When we met up, we were absolutely soaked, so. Shout out to. Shout out to face paint Mike for keeping us dry.
[01:59:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't even know. I got. I got pictures that we got.
I'll send those to you. You can throw them in this interview here. I got pictures with Brownster Knight last time.
[02:00:00] Speaker E: Yeah, we were. We were soaked.
[02:00:02] Speaker A: It was wet.
[02:00:04] Speaker B: Well, luckily, Brownster Knight has a helmet.
[02:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah, he wasn't wearing it that day.
He was for the pictures, I think.
Listen, you're kind of our. Our boots on the ground up there. What's. What's. What's the pulse in the muni lot and tailgates been? What are people saying? And, like, how. How's everybody feeling up there?
[02:00:22] Speaker E: Yeah, it's. It's kind of just, you know, another year of. We were excited at the beginning of the year, and now it's. Now it's getting sad, people. You know, the weather was nice, ton of partying, and, you know, I mean, you could see how clear it was at that Dolphins game. Unfortunately, that was the one we won that no one really wanted to go to, but, yeah, it's just.
Just another year where we're like, shit, man, we got to keep rooting for this team. And it just. It just gets. It just gets tougher and tougher. But we're just. We're just loyal.
[02:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, we absolutely are. It's funny, I actually talked about the muni lot, like, that week after. After the. The Dolphins game, because I was up there just to. Just to tailgate and stuff and kind of hang out. Unfortunately, ended up downpouring everywhere. But to me, I mean, I don't know what your feelings are on this, but the whole stadium argument and, like, whether or not we should move or whatever, the muni lot going away, all those things, it was. It was really disappointing for me to see that there was hardly. Outside of that first lot, there was hardly anybody in the muni lot, hardly anybody in the game. And to me, it just spoke to, like, all these people that say they don't want a dome yet. Nobody shows up to the game when. When there's a little bit of weather.
[02:01:33] Speaker B: Well, they're counting down muni lot tailgates, right? There's only, like, 30 left, and we're crossing.
[02:01:38] Speaker E: Yeah, we're.
[02:01:38] Speaker A: We're right.
[02:01:39] Speaker E: Right at the 30 mark. I mean, I will say I did set up my own tailgate muni for the first two home games, and it was. It was. Was pretty packed. Weather was good.
Packers game had a. Had a huge showing I mean, there was. There was so many people there, people doing keg bowling and, I mean, just. Just wacky stuff going on. Did you guys see the. Did you guys see the wedding that took place?
[02:01:59] Speaker A: Yes, we did.
[02:02:00] Speaker E: Yeah. Nice. So, yeah, there was no. I, I, I got to talk to him after, but it was, it was cool just to kind of. I sat out by the cameras and kind of caught up with Hayden Grove, and it was nice to.
It was nice just to be out there and see everybody excited, man. It's the, the first, the first couple home games with the weather good and everyone's partying, having fun, and then it just gets us to where we're at now, which is not very fun.
[02:02:26] Speaker B: So, speaking of where we're at now, obviously the season hasn't gone all that well.
You know, a lot of, Lot of noise, a lot of things going on. Is there any way Kevin pulls the nose up on this thing or, you know, reinstills confidence that he's the guy, or are we just biding time here on D? Damaged goods?
[02:02:43] Speaker E: I do, I do think we're buying time. I think he's losing the locker room. I think he's losing the fans. I mean, if I have to sit through another podium of, we gotta do better, this one's on me, I'm gonna lose my cool.
[02:02:56] Speaker A: And we will do better, but better never comes.
[02:02:58] Speaker E: Yeah. One day.
But, yeah, I mean, I can only imagine how some of these players are feeling. I mean, obviously, Miles, you know, balls out Sunday, five sacks, looks like, you know, the best player on the field again, and it means nothing.
It really means nothing. You got our O line getting older. You know, Boutonio's getting 20 shots just to get out there. I mean, it's.
We're falling apart, man. It's. It's kind of sad to see. And, yeah, I can only imagine, actually, how they feel in the locker room. I can't see them really being excited.
[02:03:28] Speaker A: Yeah. You mentioned Miles Garrett. I mean, I don't know that it's ever happened that somebody has five sacks and their team loses by 30.
[02:03:35] Speaker B: No, I don't think it has. I think the point you made about the, Especially the veterans in the locker room is the saddest. Right? I mean, you, you have. Some of these guys are really, you know, phenomenal talent. You know, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Bonio.
And you're just pissing away these years for these guys. It's so unfortunate that you've had actual talent here, and you just can't win games.
[02:03:59] Speaker E: And wrapping, Wrapping Back around to the, to the Kevin thing. I don't think he's done. I think that Haslam takes a lot of blame for the desean trade and, you know, the current state of the Browns, and I really do think that they're not going to blow all this up. I think they're going to run it back next year, which I'm not thrilled about, but I really do think they're going to give him at least one more year, just solely on Haslam taking the blame for the Watson trade.
[02:04:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I just don't. And to your point, just a second ago, not you, Kenny. I looked at you, but not you.
To your point, Bradshaw just said to go, like, what, what makes them make. Even if you take credit for the trade, even if you take blame for the cr. The trade, what makes you think, like, what has come out of this regime that makes you think that there's any real capability there to be good?
[02:04:54] Speaker E: Yeah, I, I, I really wonder if it's just Haslam likes having more control than we know, and he feels that he can kind of control Kevin, maybe Berry.
So maybe I think that's the only reason he's holding on for another year.
I mean, I don't know how he can look at this team and, you know, some big offensive coach coming into this and we can't put up, you know, more than 20 points. So it's, I think, I think you just maybe talk to him and say, hey, this one's on me. We'll buy another year. And I think Jimmy does like having more control that we know.
[02:05:26] Speaker B: It's an interesting interest.
[02:05:29] Speaker A: I've always been the opposite. I've always been the opposite.
[02:05:31] Speaker E: Opposite. Yeah.
[02:05:31] Speaker B: You get my gear spinning here that Kevin doesn't have the clout to tell Jimmy no.
[02:05:38] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe here's another, just another wrinkle in this whole thing. Do you think that there's the possibility that Jimmy Hasm just came out and said that? Because that's what an owner says.
And like, he's, he shows of, he shows his confidence in his coach because right now he's his coach.
But then he turns around and we lose to the jets and he fires Kevin Stanski.
Like, do you think that's a possibility?
I know. I mean, just within the same organization you got Kevin Stefanski earlier this year said Joe Flacco is our starter, and then we traded him, like, the next day. So, I mean, is there any of that, you think?
[02:06:15] Speaker E: I think nobody knows what they're doing.
[02:06:17] Speaker A: I think, I think that's what it.
[02:06:19] Speaker E: Is, you know, I don't know if there's disconnect between Barry and Kevin. You know, I used to think their relationship was tight, you know, Ivy League guys, and they just kind of seem like they click. Cool, calm, collected.
But once Hasm came out and kind of took the blame for the trade, I really felt like he did that. I mean, he's. He's the guy with the money. You know, he's the guy that. You know, he's a billionaire. He's used. He's used to this stuff. So, you know, when Watson says, hey, he rolled out, Cleveland. I don't want to come here, and Hasm's like, let's throw more money. Let's do this, I really do think that. That he thought that was the right choice. In hindsight, I don't. I don't blame the Browns for taking a shot. It was just a really bad shot.
[02:06:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:07:00] Speaker B: Us back, and you've got my mind in a pretzel here.
[02:07:03] Speaker A: Now it's all twisted like. Like in a pretzel.
[02:07:06] Speaker B: Because if that's the case, and let's say Stefanski is not the problem, Barry's not the problem, that means Jimmy is the problem, and Jimmy's the one problem we can't fix.
[02:07:18] Speaker E: Yeah.
Yeah, he'll be here for a while.
[02:07:20] Speaker B: What the hell do we do with that?
[02:07:23] Speaker E: It's hard because he spends money. You know? I mean, you can't. You can't be mad at him. You know, there's. There's Bengals fans that wish that hasn't spent that much money.
It's. It's. It's so tough because, again, I love that they took the shot. You know, I remember I was at work, and, you know, there was. There was rumors he was going elsewhere, and, you know, people were clowning me. I was like, I want him. I want him. And then they. You know, the trade comes across, and I'm losing my mind at work. Man, I thought this was. This was the final, final touch. You know, this was going to so smooth over all the people that were mad Baker. And, you know, I thought. I thought this was the final, final stone to the glove, and it just wasn't.
I don't know what they're gonna do. I think it's. I think it's so disconnected. I'm. I'm trying to be excited when I send you guys those videos. It's hard.
[02:08:13] Speaker A: That's fair.
[02:08:14] Speaker B: You do a great job.
[02:08:15] Speaker A: This is a. It's a peek behind the curtain. It's like. It's like no way. Yeah.
Hey, you still get the fans going, you know, get some. Yeah, yeah.
This whole thing has really got me thinking, too, because we have a lot of different theories, and we're, you know, I think tune into our show this week because there's. And I'm talking directly to Brownster, and I here, make sure you turn into our show this week, because earlier in this episode, we actually throw out another theory about the Browns front office and if they're getting along along or not or what's going on. So, I mean, there's. There's just a lot of things, a lot of moving parts. I think the bottom line is what you said is, like, nobody knows what they're doing right now.
[02:08:55] Speaker B: And that's the problem, is there's too much noise and nothing productive happening.
[02:09:00] Speaker A: No, that's not a place we finally reached Spider man level, where it's just like everybody's pointing at everybody like, yeah, you're.
[02:09:07] Speaker E: You're at blame. We all suck.
[02:09:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:09:09] Speaker E: The same. I mean, look at Brable. Brable was braver, was just in there, and he's taking shots at us now. You know, he was there. He was on the ground. He was running with the guys, and now he's. He's clowning us. I mean, it's just a bad spot to be. It's a bad look, but new stadium.
[02:09:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
Well, listen, let's. Let's move on to our next question here.
What you got? What? You're looking at me like, no, I.
When it's late.
Who writes these questions? When it's late at night, during your intergalactic travels in the cold, dark void careening through the heavens at warp speed? Do you ever wonder what the future might have looked like had we avoided the sham that was the desean Watson move and had Baker Mayfield, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, and Nick Chubb on their prime, building an unforgettable era of Browns football.
[02:10:04] Speaker E: Yeah, I think about it more than I should.
You know, again, we kind of touched base on the desean thing. I'm not mad they took the shot, but looking at it, you know, it's. And for me, it's not even the money. You know, the money grows every year as the game grows. You know, we'll have 18 games soon, I think, and maybe two buys or, you know, it's just. It's going to keep getting extended. This is. This is all. It's all money.
But it's the picks. You know, the picks are. You know, all those first round picks are so big.
And then kind of even touching on Baker going, I have a different stance with Baker. And mind you, I had jerseys, I had Baker, Baker touchdown maker shirts. I had socks of the guy guy. You know, I really believed he was Cleveland. You know, he. He ran his mouth. You know, he would celebrate. He was just kind of. He was such a good fit. But I think he had a leave to grow.
Not that he's anywhere near like, LeBron levels, but, you know, you kind of had to have your, you know, you're in high school, you have your college experience, and that's kind of, you know, what makes you who you are. It's not like he went to Carolina and balled out, you know, and it took a little while, even with the Rams later in the season, for him to look good.
I think he found himself in a good organization, significantly better line than us as the good receivers. And he's just at, you know, a mature level of his life. Not saying he's the most mature, but that's why I like him.
But he.
He's just in a good situation. You know, I don't think anybody here, you know, with the O line, with the receivers, with the play calling, is really going to play that well. I think Baker had a kind of leave and grow.
[02:11:46] Speaker B: Okay, so really, now you've got my mind in a pretzel.
[02:11:48] Speaker E: More.
[02:11:48] Speaker A: You want. You want to take this one because.
[02:11:50] Speaker B: Because the first thing I would say is I think you're right. He ended up in a good organization, surrounded by talent and coaches that were doing the right things, which tells me everything in Cleveland was. Was bad.
And it also tells me when he moved to Carolina, everything in Carolina is bad because they're still a trash franchise. The one place he had some modicum of success was in la, who just recently won a Super Bowl. So things aren't terrible out there.
[02:12:15] Speaker A: Quick rebuttal for that.
Won his first game after being there.
[02:12:18] Speaker C: For like three days.
[02:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah, 16 hours or whatever.
But then that brings me back all the way around to if no one, then. Then just no one can be successful here because this place is such a disaster that it doesn't matter what kind of talent or what kind of coaches you bring in.
[02:12:34] Speaker E: Yeah.
[02:12:34] Speaker B: The culture here is losing, and it's never going to change. If you. If a guy that can throw for 40 touchdowns in a year can't be successful here, has the talent, talent to do that, can't be successful here and has to leave to. To find success, what hope is there for anyone in Cleveland.
[02:12:52] Speaker E: It scares the hell out of me, you know? I mean it. Really. Because I'm in here. I mean, I'm gonna do it until I'm dead. You know, maybe not the spacesuit, but at least. At least I'll be wearing. I'll be wearing these colors, you know, and it's. It's horrible, man. It's.
[02:13:06] Speaker D: And I.
[02:13:06] Speaker E: A part of me thinks Haslam knows, You know, it's like he's a. He has a bunch of good shareholders, and he knows that we're just going to keep holding our stock, man. You know, we're here to go down with the ship, so it's. It's tough, man. It's tough.
[02:13:22] Speaker B: Brownster not out of anyone on the show tonight, you've met. You've messed up my mind more than anyone.
[02:13:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:13:27] Speaker B: Just that I'm glad.
[02:13:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, we've been doing this to people all night. Like, more so we just been wrecking their night, but.
Because we feed them a large dose of Brown's reality.
[02:13:41] Speaker E: But.
[02:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, you got me thinking about a lot of things here, and they're not good.
But no. So you look back, you keep doing this to me.
[02:13:53] Speaker E: You guys. You guys are gonna have to go back to golf. That's.
[02:13:57] Speaker A: It's over. We gotta run it back.
All right, So, I mean, now that we've. We've brought everybody, you know, we. We spent the whole night bringing everybody else down, and then you came on and you brought us down.
[02:14:10] Speaker B: I just feel like I got stabbed in the belly.
[02:14:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, thanks, Brownster night. But no, seriously, though, can you leave our fans with some kind of message of hope?
People are down? What can you tell Browns fans to kind of lift their spirits? And what's been a dreadful start to the season so far?
[02:14:27] Speaker E: Yeah, this is actually where I get dark. There's always next year. No, it's.
It's.
No, I mean, at some point in time, things have to get better. You know, people are going to get fired. Players that you love are going to go. But that should make room for new rookies like we have. I mean, look at. Look at the class that we drafted.
It looks pretty damn awesome. Besides Dylan Gabriel, it. You know, in hope for this year, we still have the Shador card.
He's at least going to be exciting. He's going to put seats and asses as asses and seats.
He plays so good.
It's the other one that's a new Merchant.
Kevin said seats and asses right now.
But yeah, it's Dylan's Just not cutting it. You know, he's got a QBR of 25 versus 25.8, I think I heard earlier.
It's just. It's not good. But my hopium, uh, is. It's running low.
I'm tired of being embarrassed. I'm tired of the press conferences. I'm tired of. You know, there's a. Tired of really only being excited about the rookie class. You know, I used to just go to games and watch Miles and Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb's gone.
But the.
It's really just the rookies. That's. That's the best level. The best level of opium that I have is hopefully we can have back to back and back to back to back good drafts.
Andrew finally seemed like he put one together.
Figure out a quarterback, keep growing on the defense, and hopefully Kevin's out of here sooner.
[02:16:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:16:12] Speaker B: We asked Brownster not for a message of hope. He brings me down again.
[02:16:16] Speaker E: It's Antonio.
[02:16:18] Speaker A: The. The.
[02:16:18] Speaker E: The messages I send you guys, they have some sort of hope. This is. My heart is not happy right now.
[02:16:23] Speaker A: This is the state of the Browns. This is it done to us.
[02:16:27] Speaker B: Look what you've done to Brownster.
[02:16:29] Speaker E: Not.
[02:16:29] Speaker A: Yeah, what's.
[02:16:29] Speaker E: What's.
[02:16:30] Speaker A: He had a little bit of hoping there. What was. What's the quote? I always tell you when I'm talking about things getting worse before they get better.
[02:16:36] Speaker B: It's always the darkest before the dawn.
[02:16:38] Speaker A: The night is always darkest before the dawn.
[02:16:40] Speaker E: Yeah.
[02:16:40] Speaker A: And that's kind of where we're at. So last question before we sign off here. Brownster night. You got a pretty good beard coming in there. Is that. Is that NASA regulation? Are you allowed to have that under the space helmet?
[02:16:53] Speaker D: Yeah.
[02:16:53] Speaker E: And weirdly enough, there's not a lot of light out there, but it seems to be getting red.
It is. My. My Irish. My Irish is. I'm actually. Actually stopping. I'm stopped drinking, and my Irish is, like, flowing out of me. Like, get back to drinking. Look at yourself.
[02:17:06] Speaker A: We got some red beards on the show, too. I got.
[02:17:08] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, it's. But it's. It's NASA approved. They can't yell at me out in space.
[02:17:13] Speaker A: That's true. Once you get up there, what are.
[02:17:14] Speaker B: They gonna do, bring you back down?
[02:17:16] Speaker A: I just didn't know if your helmet would seal or else you're just gonna suffocate out there.
Well, listen, Bradshaw, thank you so much for joining us. It's been a lot of fun.
You gave us so much hope, and I think Browns fans are all Feeling much, much better after talking to you.
[02:17:34] Speaker E: That's what I'm here for.
[02:17:36] Speaker A: Thanks a lot, man. We'll talk to you next time.
[02:17:38] Speaker E: Peace.
This is brown chanod, and you're listening to burning river sportscast. Go, Brian.
[02:18:01] Speaker A: So many friends of the show on today.
I'm excited about it, But I am a little turned down after that happened because brownster not brought a big dose of reality this week. I'm not even.
[02:18:12] Speaker B: I don't even know if it was a big dose of reality, but it was a big dose of sadness.
[02:18:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it's reality. That's where the. That's where the browns are right now.
[02:18:19] Speaker B: Well, but what I'm saying is not so much that it was reality. It's just that he.
[02:18:23] Speaker E: He.
[02:18:23] Speaker B: He brought up so many things that just created more questions than answers. So to me, answers are rooted in reality, and we didn't get any of those things. All we got was a lot of things that made me feel bad about where we are and where we're headed.
[02:18:34] Speaker A: Made us feel real bad.
[02:18:35] Speaker B: Yeah, Brownstone, thanks a lot. We love having you on, but come on.
[02:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I can't wait until we get back to his positive. Like, we're gonna take this team down.
[02:18:46] Speaker B: Like, fill it.
[02:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
But with that, let's get into. Can we talk about this?
All right. As if we didn't have enough things to get fired up about.
We use this segment when one of us has something that they feel needs to be talked about or explored.
[02:19:14] Speaker E: Lord, further.
[02:19:16] Speaker A: Once again, Kenny, I think you have something for us today. What do you got?
[02:19:19] Speaker B: I do something that I want to talk about.
So can we talk about this?
[02:19:24] Speaker A: Yeah, we can talk about this.
[02:19:25] Speaker B: Okay.
[02:19:26] Speaker A: You're supposed to say what it is, and then you say, can we talk about this?
[02:19:29] Speaker B: Well, I can't really say what it is. I have to show you.
[02:19:33] Speaker A: Okay, show me bone.
[02:19:37] Speaker B: Describe for our listeners what you're viewing in this photo.
[02:19:40] Speaker A: It looks like an empty basement room with a wet floor sign on the ground.
[02:19:48] Speaker B: That wet floor sign is critical here.
[02:19:49] Speaker A: And. And it looks like there was a lot of water damage to the basement.
[02:19:53] Speaker G: It almost looks like the. The drywall's halfway cut up the wall.
[02:19:57] Speaker A: It looked like there was some Wayne scotting there that got taken off because of a flood.
[02:20:00] Speaker B: I like where you guys are headed here. Very, very intuitive.
What you're looking at is the Delaware blue hens piss wall.
Long standing and well known, if not unconventional, tradition at Delaware stadium. The men's restroom under the east east stands features a simple Trough style urinal designed to accommodate large numbers of people at once.
[02:20:30] Speaker G: They just pee on the wall.
[02:20:31] Speaker B: You just pee on the wall.
[02:20:34] Speaker G: Is that insulation?
[02:20:35] Speaker B: Instead of individual urinals, deposit piss wall consists of a large concrete trough running along the floor at the base of a wall. A pipe continuously runs water to down the wall to carry the waste. The waste away.
[02:20:47] Speaker A: It ain't working.
[02:20:48] Speaker B: The stadium was renovated in 2018. Fully renovated. University officials chose to keep a version of the original P wall in one of the men's restrooms due to its popularity among fans. A similar trough on the west side of the stadium was removed during the renovation.
That is a wall that you piss on.
[02:21:09] Speaker A: What are we doing here?
[02:21:10] Speaker G: I mean, what's a urinal besides the wall that you pee on?
[02:21:14] Speaker B: Well, it's least a bowl you kind of pee into.
[02:21:16] Speaker A: I feel like that's way more hygienic. Like, this is terrible. This is the worst thing I ever heard of.
[02:21:20] Speaker G: They said they have water running down the wall.
[02:21:23] Speaker A: It's not working.
I mean, let's describe the picture further. Like, said, it looks like there's water damage on the bottom half of the wall. And like Wayne Scott and got ripped off because it's literally like yellowing concrete.
[02:21:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very yellow water damage. And they just crudely put a wet floor sign in there. Like, hey guys, there might be piss. A lot of piss in here.
[02:21:45] Speaker A: Like what?
Like, I'll give you. It accomplishes exactly what you said it would. There's.
[02:21:51] Speaker E: There.
[02:21:51] Speaker A: You could fit quite a few people there. Just, just hip to hip, just whipping dicks.
Like what, like, what is happening here?
Why is this a thing?
[02:22:03] Speaker B: This is the Bible.
[02:22:04] Speaker A: And how do you choose to renovate a stadium? You're just like, I think this is a good idea to keep this. Let's keep that.
[02:22:09] Speaker B: You know what? Let's keep that piss.
[02:22:10] Speaker A: I can't, I can't. What is.
I can't imagine not keeping the piss ball right. Like, you gotta have the piss wall if there's one thing we need to keep in this stadium. What do you think, think of piss.
[02:22:21] Speaker B: Wall in today's day and age with so much talk about toxic masculinity.
[02:22:28] Speaker A: Well, we found where Covid started.
[02:22:31] Speaker B: This is just a relic of brodom.
Like, guys, we can't get rid of the piss wall. I love peeing on that wall.
[02:22:38] Speaker A: This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of in any sort of modern facility.
[02:22:44] Speaker B: It's real life.
[02:22:47] Speaker A: Like, I. I legitimately feel like I'm in like the 1700s. With the, you know, it's just come.
[02:22:52] Speaker B: Guys, there's a wall we can piss on together.
[02:22:55] Speaker A: Yeah, like, you got to piss.
[02:22:56] Speaker I: You just go over.
[02:22:56] Speaker A: There's a. There's a room. There's a wall that you just piss on. We'll run.
[02:23:00] Speaker H: Don't worry.
[02:23:00] Speaker A: We'll run water down it.
[02:23:01] Speaker B: Like, how do you explain it to.
[02:23:03] Speaker A: Your kid when you take him to.
[02:23:04] Speaker B: The public bathroom and you're like, listen, son, drop trowel pee on this wall.
[02:23:10] Speaker A: Just so many dicks.
[02:23:11] Speaker B: Potty training out the window.
[02:23:12] Speaker G: That seems pretty natural for a young lad.
[02:23:16] Speaker B: Do you pee on a lot of walls?
[02:23:18] Speaker G: I like the p wall. I'm kind of a. Here defending it is what I'm getting at, bro.
[02:23:23] Speaker B: You're a traditionalist, bro. Bone, bro.
[02:23:28] Speaker A: Do you see your hair right now? Shut up.
[02:23:31] Speaker B: I just thought it was worth talking about.
[02:23:33] Speaker G: Very uncomfortable.
[02:23:34] Speaker A: It would. It would be. It is perfect that you're defending it right now, cuz you look absolutely homeless.
That was the goal.
[02:23:40] Speaker G: Who.
[02:23:41] Speaker B: Who are you again?
[02:23:42] Speaker A: Serious black.
[02:23:43] Speaker B: Serious black. It's the Harry pothole.
[02:23:45] Speaker A: Yeah, Harry Potter pothole.
Harry pothole would fit in with the piss wall.
[02:23:49] Speaker E: You can.
[02:23:51] Speaker B: You can pee in a hairy pothole?
[02:23:52] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[02:23:53] Speaker G: That's where I p. In my cell on the wall.
[02:23:56] Speaker A: I. I don't. I guess we talked about this.
[02:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah, we.
I just wanted to bring it up.
[02:24:03] Speaker A: I guess we talked about it. So let's bring on another friend of the show now.
[02:24:06] Speaker B: Talked about.
[02:24:13] Speaker F: Powered by Riverside fm.
[02:24:19] Speaker A: All right, guys, please help me welcome another friend of the show, the reigning defending chapter of the year, the Mile High Browns backers. It's Cliff.
Cliff, how are you?
[02:24:34] Speaker F: I'm doing fantastic. It's been a.
It's been a fantastic weekend.
I actually watched the game yesterday with the Grand Junction Browns backers on the western slope of the.
Of Colorado and stuff and had a fantastic time catching up with people. Unfortunately, I had been undefeated with the Grand Junction Browns backers over the years. I was 20 going into yesterday and we watched that disappear really quickly. So. But. So now I'm two and one and go Grand Junction. And Sue Tuttle, president up in Grand Junction, she, you know, she was fantastic host with us and stuff. My family had a great time and they're great people to hang out with in Grand Junction.
[02:25:22] Speaker A: Absolutely. Any. Anytime you're. You're counting a record of any sort with the Browns, it's bound to turn into a losing record. Right?
[02:25:32] Speaker F: I'm. I'm. It's 2:1 through. I'm at 66, 67 right now in Grand Junction.
[02:25:39] Speaker B: There you go. Still winning record.
[02:25:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:25:41] Speaker B: Yes, it is.
[02:25:42] Speaker F: It's a winning record.
[02:25:44] Speaker A: So Cliff, how, how is life as chapter of the year? Like, how's it going this year? I keep seeing big things from you guys. So like, is it, is it really?
[02:25:54] Speaker F: It's been fantastic from a standpoint of the support that we get up get from our sponsors, the folks that, that, that help us out from Cleveland Ketchup to only in Clevel Creek.
The folks here locally, the Coors Distributing Center, Sandlot Brewery. Their support has been fantastic and we've raised a considerable amount of money. Even with the lack of people, we're very fortunate being a destination city for some people, whether it's business, pleasure, whatever the case is, people make their travel arrangements to come to Stoney's on a Sunday. You know, I haven't watched the Browns game in two years, but I hear this is where you do it in Denver, so.
[02:26:43] Speaker A: No, I mean you mentioned that you guys are doing a lot out there this year and your numbers are still up and things are going well. Your sponsors are taking care of you. Is that why you're wearing that chain? Is that why your bling's hanging out?
[02:26:53] Speaker F: No, this thing, I, I threw it on a couple weeks ago and I, I kind of like, you know, it's, it's kind of old school. It's a flashback in my life when.
[02:27:02] Speaker B: In chapter of the year is kind of like BEC president. They say it's the 100 millionaires club. Like after you retire.
[02:27:08] Speaker A: He's just charging, he's just charging appearance fees.
[02:27:13] Speaker F: I got this for.
[02:27:14] Speaker I: From my son.
[02:27:15] Speaker B: So sure he did.
[02:27:17] Speaker F: Didn't send me a chain because.
[02:27:21] Speaker B: Sure, Cliff, sure.
[02:27:24] Speaker A: No. So listen, with you guys being chapter of the year, I know there's some events that you have coming up, some things that you guys are doing. Talking about to us a little bit about that.
[02:27:33] Speaker F: Well, let's start with the, with the positive and stuff and then we'll move to something that's not so positive. But first, November 16, when we take on the. When we take on the Ravens at the. The team from Maryland, we are going to do a celebration in house celebration as chapter of the year. We're calling it Cleveland rocks at 5280. These are the.
This, that's the name of our beer brewed by Sandlot Brewery Brewery exclusively for here for MHBB and Stoney's our watch party site and stuff. So we're calling it Cleveland rocks at 5280 we're gonna play the best of rock and roll throughout the entire day. Kickoff here in the mountain or the forgotten time zone is 2:35. And we will start about noon at Stoney's and we'll play the best of rock and roll through our DJ and stuff and just have a great time and, and celebrate the fact that we'll.
That we are chapter of the year. And then the, we have a guaranteed of $500 in our 5050 raffle from the great folks at the Coors Distributing center here in here in Denver. So we're, we're super excited about that. And then on like, let me look over my board. Monday night, February 9, 2026 will be mile High Browns back Packers night Cavs at the ball.
When the Browns are the Browns, when the Cats Cavs are here to play the local franchise.
We will start.
We, I will post in the next day. I'll let everybody know where you can get your tickets.
We will get floor access before the game to hang out with the Cavs and watch them do their shootout and stuff or their shoot around and we'll just, we'll make it a, a great day. We'll start things a little bit early and stuff on that day and we'll go from there. And so yeah, we'll, we'll post a link here in the very near future of where those folks where you can get tickets from.
[02:29:47] Speaker A: Absolutely. And I know those are all exciting things. If you're going to be in Denver or mile or you're gonna be at Mile High. I'm sorry, I know you don't like to say there.
[02:29:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I know.
[02:29:56] Speaker F: I've said it twice. I've said it a cop. Use the D word a couple times.
[02:29:59] Speaker E: Yeah.
[02:30:00] Speaker A: If you're gonna be, if you're gonna.
[02:30:01] Speaker F: Be out there, go back to something else.
[02:30:03] Speaker A: Yeah. If you're gonna be out there a mile high on either of those days, make sure you get tickets to these events. I'm sure they're gonna be a great time. Cliff always puts on an awesome party and $500, that's what you can, you can win.
[02:30:14] Speaker B: It's good to be chapter of the year.
[02:30:15] Speaker A: All we do is party out.
[02:30:16] Speaker E: It is.
[02:30:17] Speaker F: And we've got a great relationship with so many people, including Coors Distributing Center. It's just, it's fantastic and stuff. But unfortunately we also have another, you know, we, on Friday night, November 7th, we will do a celebration of life for a. An original member of our, of our chapter by the name of Marty, Marty Rapisi.
Marty was a original member of this chapter back in 1983 when a couple of people by the name of Terry and Sheila Acres put an ad in what was then the Rocky mountain news. And 30 people answered that day and got back to Terry And Sheila and 30 Browns fans showed up. And Marty Rapisi was one of those individuals. And since 1983, Marty was responsible for starting our softball team. At 40 years later we. We still have here as well as the life after football bowling league that starts that start this year at a new bowling alley in. In February or no, I'm sorry right after the.
The end of the season January.
So yeah, Marty was just. Had been instrumental throughout the last over 40 years of making sure that we got together on game day and stuff. And on Friday, November 7th, that's Stoney's. We are going to celebrate his life as. As a Browns fan, as a gardener, as a hunter, as a. As a just a person that enjoyed the fact that.
That we raised money for some great charities and unfortunately he's not with us anymore. But you know, as the softball coach we always know that he is going to scoring.
He's scoring the game.
[02:32:21] Speaker E: He's right in the book.
[02:32:23] Speaker F: As a die hard Rockies fan, Marty was always. I always when I went to games with Marty I was like Marty, you're scoring the damn game. What the hell are you doing?
But he did it for. For Ed Rockies games and he did it for us as a softball team and he was a great man. And we look. We look forward to celebrating his Life on those November 7th.
[02:32:48] Speaker A: Absolutely. And we. We saw this story online and, and our hearts go out to you and everybody at the Mile High Brownsbackers that knew him.
And you mentioned quite a few things there. You said, you know, I know Gardner. There's a. You had a list. You had a list of the things that you said. I'm gonna add one. And I didn't know him personally but I know just seeing on your social media how many people he touched. So you let left off friend I think is probably above all else.
[02:33:18] Speaker F: He was a friend. He was a friend to me. You know, when I did the day that I met Marty was sometime I wrote it on the thing or wrote it on the post.
It was 1987 at a hotel here in Denver at the time called Writer's Manor.
It no longer exists of course. There's been several. Seventeen other buildings built on it at this point. But we. That was the first year that they. The Brownsbackers moved from Terry and Sheila Akers house to Outside their house. I'm sure their house was a piece of crap by the time that, you know, a few years of Browns fans hanging out every Sunday day. So we went. So we went to. They went to Writers Manor. And that was the first year that I joined and had gotten information of where to go. And, you know, this is well before social media, so gosh knows, it might have been a phone call. Hell, it might have been a freaking letter.
And so I walk up to this writer's manor and Marty is carrying a television and I'm like, what the hell is going on here? And he's like, oh, we all got to do this. So I helped him carry the television into this banquet room where they opened up a keg of beer and some hot dogs.
[02:34:44] Speaker A: September 4th, 1988, by the way.
[02:34:47] Speaker F: Thank you. I appreciate that.
[02:34:49] Speaker E: 88.
[02:34:50] Speaker F: So that's the year that I met Marty Terry into television. And over that entire season, we learned the intricacies of how cable worked into the back of a television and how you had to wire it and the transfer that had to go through to get it all the way out to that satellite dish 150 yards away and then crank the satellite dish to put it into position to find the signal of where it was coming from. And you picked up the phone early in the morning and goes, and to find out exactly where it was going to be. And I met Marty that day carrying the television in and we were friends ever since.
[02:35:33] Speaker B: What a great story.
[02:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
No, and again, just, you know, thoughts go out to all of your members, everybody that knew him.
[02:35:44] Speaker B: You know, we talked to the Browns backers every week. And I think this is. What's so special about this organization is we, we love the Browns. We bitch about the Browns and we get together at these viewing locations all around the country and watch them every week. But it is such a tight knit.
[02:35:58] Speaker A: Community of become family.
[02:35:59] Speaker B: Actual friends and family.
[02:36:01] Speaker F: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, guys. And that's why, why I keep doing it. You know, I would, I would. We understand the story of, you know, your con. You contacted me earlier this morning, Ronnie, and I researched the numbers from yesterday, from the game and stuff. And I'm like, you know what, why am I researching numbers? It was all about. It was, why am I researching the numbers? I didn't pay attention, a whole lot of attention to the game yesterday and normal or do I on every game day because I'm paying attention to the people around me that, you know, that are. That's what makes it fantastic is game day is I'm hanging out with 200 of my best friends, and that's what it's all about. And it'll just get. It'll get better if we win. But I'll. I will keep doing this till the day I die just so that I can hang out with, you know, great people.
[02:36:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:37:00] Speaker E: There's Sunday.
[02:37:01] Speaker A: There's, you know, when, when the Browns win, we're all happy. But when they don't, there's. There's a quote from Talladega Nights that I like to think of, and it's. Here's a couple of things we could hang our hats on. One, we tried real hard. And two, we're still dear friends.
[02:37:14] Speaker E: Still dear friends.
[02:37:14] Speaker D: Yeah.
[02:37:15] Speaker A: So that's what it's all about. And that's the life of a Browns fan. So.
No, you know, again, glad. Glad you could be on with us today, Cliff. We would keep you on and talk about the game, but, you know, we don't to. We. We. We don't really want to. We've. We've talked enough about the Browns. I know.
We're spending most of this show, again, talking about the Browns and all the problems they have. I guess, just so that we don't. I don't want you to feel left out. What's 1. What's the 1 thing you would change during the bye week if you could? It could be anything. Coach, quarterback, gm, whatever you want.
[02:37:51] Speaker B: Heal everyone from injuries.
[02:37:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:37:54] Speaker F: How about this?
Find out what the freak Paul D. Podesta does and burp him the freak out of this organization.
[02:38:07] Speaker A: Or at least make him live in freaking Cleveland.
It collects a paycheck.
[02:38:12] Speaker B: He's got the best job on the planet, I think.
[02:38:14] Speaker F: Yeah, he does have the best job on the planet and I think he's overpaid and, and just, just start managing this team to play football.
That's all I ask is manage his team to play football.
[02:38:32] Speaker E: Stop the.
[02:38:33] Speaker F: The other bs.
[02:38:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:38:36] Speaker B: Can't disagree with that.
[02:38:37] Speaker A: Nope, nope.
That's why I asked you. I knew you'd get the answer right, so.
But again, Cliff, listen, I wish we could stay on and talk all night. Unfortunately, we do have to. To move the show along or else it's going to be like eight hours long and people don't. I don't think they'll like on the bye week. Yeah. So thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it and hopefully, hopefully we can either get out there or we'll see you sometime in Cleveland. Hopefully soon.
[02:39:03] Speaker B: On the way to the.
[02:39:04] Speaker F: I look forward to it, guys. I can't wait. It's been too. It's been too long since we've had the chance to talk together.
[02:39:10] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[02:39:11] Speaker A: Thanks, CL.
[02:39:11] Speaker H: All right.
[02:39:12] Speaker B: Take care.
[02:39:12] Speaker F: You bet, guys. Take care.
Hi, this is Cliff Coulson from the mile high Browns backers. You're listening to the burning river sportscast.
[02:39:22] Speaker A: Go Browns.
Good talking to Cliff, huh?
[02:39:30] Speaker B: I love Cliff.
[02:39:32] Speaker A: Generic response. Yeah, shut up.
It's got to be good being on top though, as far as chapter of the year.
[02:39:38] Speaker B: I'm telling you, I said that before we talk, before we did the show today. I think they may have a serious chance of repeating. I mean, this a lot of big things post every week. I mean, they're getting huge crowds out to Stoney's. And the Browns aren't good. No, I mean a lot of the chapters that we talk to each week are struggling to get people to their chapters.
[02:39:57] Speaker A: Brownsburgers, North Jersey had 40 people out though.
[02:40:00] Speaker B: They did, but I think Stoney's is getting like 100, 150 people.
[02:40:03] Speaker A: Oh, you're just stumping for Stoney's now? No, I'm just saying you're just a big fan. You just think that you can influence the chapter of the year competition.
[02:40:10] Speaker B: Look, look, look. Mile high is in. Is in his cliffs at a destination city, right? You walk outside, the air smells clean. You just see snow capped mountains. But you're in a desert.
[02:40:21] Speaker A: The air smells clean and like pot.
[02:40:23] Speaker B: It's like being in a make believe place. It's like being on another planet. That's true. So people go there.
[02:40:29] Speaker A: So they talking about a little place called S.
They have an advantage over.
[02:40:34] Speaker B: Places like north Jersey that unless you're going into New York city.
[02:40:38] Speaker A: You mean to tell me you rather go to Colorado than North Jersey?
[02:40:44] Speaker B: I haven't ever vacationed in north Jersey. I'm sure it's a lovely town. I'm just saying I don't think people go to north Jersey for like vacation unless they're going into the city.
[02:40:52] Speaker A: We're sorry to our friends living in north Jersey.
[02:40:54] Speaker B: There's nothing wrong with North Jersey. I'm not.
[02:40:55] Speaker E: I don't know.
[02:40:56] Speaker B: You're making it the way I'm saying.
[02:40:58] Speaker A: What do you think?
[02:40:58] Speaker B: Denver.
[02:41:00] Speaker G: I'd rather go to Colorado.
[02:41:02] Speaker B: Denver is a destination city.
North Jersey. Jersey is not even a city.
It's the north part of Jersey.
[02:41:12] Speaker A: Tushy.
Yeah, I mean, I, you're. You're not wrong.
I guess my point was good. Good time talking.
Yeah.
Anyways, let's, let's. Let's get gassed up.
[02:41:29] Speaker B: Okay.
[02:41:44] Speaker A: Oh, no, you left mini gassed up. No, this is full on gassed up, bones.
[02:41:47] Speaker B: We can get mini guessed up. It's fine.
[02:41:49] Speaker A: All right. We're gonna get mini guests.
[02:41:50] Speaker B: It's gonna be a mini segment anyways.
[02:41:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Once again, Kenny, you. You got something for us? Apparently, you're the only one that brings anything to the show.
[02:41:57] Speaker B: I get pissed off a lot.
[02:42:01] Speaker E: Just.
[02:42:01] Speaker B: Just a little mini guest up here just to squeeze us in here on the bye week, because I am so sick and tired of the AI generated content, specifically the NFL AI generated content.
That is things that just. Just didn't happen. Things that didn't happen for a thousand Alex. Like, that's everything that gets posted.
And I just. Every time I see it, I'm like, who posted this? And then I realized that a computer posted this, and I'm like, why did the computer post this? Who did the computer think wanted to see that? Shador Sanders donated $10 million to Stop Homelessness in Cleveland.
Like, it's not even a believable story.
[02:42:39] Speaker A: No, it's. Most of them aren't.
[02:42:41] Speaker B: Not that Shador doesn't care for the homeless, but, like, no player in the NFL is just giving $10 million. And Shador's a rookie on a rookie.
Nobody's giving away $10 million to anyone.
And these guys are charitable with their time, and they do spend a lot of time in the community and do things, but, like, no one's giving $10 million to anyone. No, that and just the AI generated content in general.
[02:43:01] Speaker A: Like, Judd kids one.
[02:43:05] Speaker B: Well, Quinn John also is the NFL one. But, like, I forwarded you guys a video this week of an old man doing backflips on a table and his mouth turned into a giant whale.
[02:43:13] Speaker G: Why.
[02:43:13] Speaker B: Why did a computer.
[02:43:15] Speaker A: I like the ones. I don't like them. I. That's like, you like them.
[02:43:19] Speaker B: You are the likes them.
[02:43:20] Speaker A: You're the reason I don't actually like them. But speaking of ones that are just really annoying, is. Is the one that goes around where lightning hits a tree and, like, everybody around everybody dies. One guy standing, like, they're. They're like, grow a third arm when. When it hits.
[02:43:33] Speaker B: Why is that a thing?
[02:43:34] Speaker A: I don't know.
[02:43:35] Speaker B: Well, this is the technology of tomorrow that can be used to cure diseases we haven't discovered yet, and we use it to create videos of dancing whales eating hammocks.
[02:43:47] Speaker A: This goes back to when Elon Musk brought Starlink to, like, the Amazon, and immediately everyone got addicted to porn.
Like, this is what we do, man.
[02:44:00] Speaker B: Being a Star like I keep seeing, their satellites are falling out of the sky. They ain't good.
[02:44:03] Speaker A: But this is what we do as, as humans. Like we just evolve into degenerate waste. Our life is what we do.
[02:44:09] Speaker G: Yeah, this is the age of deception.
[02:44:11] Speaker A: Yes, but like people. But the problem is deep bone. I don't know why you're going there is.
[02:44:15] Speaker B: Especially with the a, with the NFL stuff is that then legitimate organizations and actual people share this and they're like, yo, should you guys see this is my hero. He hates homelessness.
[02:44:29] Speaker A: The comments on this are phenomenal too, because literally everybody's like, I knew he was a great guy.
[02:44:35] Speaker B: Yes. There are thousands of people commenting on.
[02:44:37] Speaker A: News posts and then they're telling all their friends like, did you guys see this? No.
[02:44:40] Speaker G: No.
[02:44:41] Speaker A: It didn't happen. It didn't happen.
Now I'm gassed up. I hate. There we go.
[02:44:46] Speaker B: You're welcome. You're welcome, America.
[02:44:49] Speaker A: I'm gassed up right now.
FAI f it. F it all.
[02:44:56] Speaker B: Is that an AI thing? Oh, F A I.
[02:45:00] Speaker A: F it all. That's where I was going with that. Like, funny story real quick, what we were even talking about.
[02:45:06] Speaker B: Funny story real quick.
[02:45:07] Speaker A: I.
[02:45:07] Speaker B: We. My bowling league Friday night, we bowled a team and their team name is F call F.
And we were looking at trying to figure out like, what is that? Is it some kind of like military.
[02:45:19] Speaker A: Like what is it?
[02:45:20] Speaker B: Acronym, Something.
What do you think it is?
[02:45:24] Speaker A: I have no idea.
[02:45:25] Speaker B: F call F.
I don't know what that means. How would you even say that?
[02:45:30] Speaker A: F call F.
[02:45:33] Speaker B: Do it slower.
[02:45:34] Speaker A: F call F.
[02:45:38] Speaker B: Think about the sound a bird makes.
[02:45:48] Speaker A: I don't really know where you're going with this.
[02:45:50] Speaker B: Fuck off.
[02:45:56] Speaker A: Okay, that's good, I guess. Good joke, guys.
[02:46:00] Speaker B: Bones doesn't get it.
[02:46:01] Speaker G: It's like coughing.
[02:46:03] Speaker A: They're. They're saying F off. That's the whole. That's the team name. F Off.
[02:46:08] Speaker B: Ah, if you put it all together anyway, you're. You're F joke. I. That made me think of that.
[02:46:13] Speaker A: Yeah, because you didn't get it. I didn't get it. We all didn't get it.
[02:46:16] Speaker C: You're welcome.
[02:46:17] Speaker A: Anyways, let's get into King of the North.
All right. In case anyone doesn't know by now, this is our year long AFC north pickup competition. At the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished. In the preseason two years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans in the muni lot before a game. In the preseason last year, Kenny had his hair and beard Shaved clean off a couple weeks ago. Now, for losing this past season, Kenny donned the pads for the first time in almost 20 years and got hit three times by our guy, big John Hughes. How'd that feel, Kenny?
[02:46:54] Speaker B: It hurt.
[02:46:55] Speaker A: Yeah, we got some. We got a video up. We're gonna full length video coming soon, soon, soon.
And then this year the loser will be getting a full on Brazilian wax. Kenny, you excited? I guess, yeah. All right, so let's get into it. First things first, I want to remind everyone that Bone is the reigning defending king of the North.
Second, John Hughes obviously has joined king of the north this north this year. I'm to hoping, hoping he gets punished. Me too.
[02:47:22] Speaker B: Me, me too.
[02:47:23] Speaker A: I hope you get punished. I hope somehow you both get punished.
And then finally, Kenny, you're a clown. Let's remind everyone of our current standings after week eight. Bone 15 11. I'm 13 and 13. John's 12 and 14. And Kenny, you're nine and 17. You're looking good there. You almost have 10 wins.
[02:47:40] Speaker B: Thank you.
[02:47:41] Speaker A: So let's get into this week's game.
[02:47:42] Speaker B: Almost to double digits.
[02:47:43] Speaker A: Almost. The Ravens travel to my Miami to take on the Dolphins. Lamar Jackson is back.
We'll start with you, Kenny. Kenny, who you got?
[02:47:53] Speaker B: Lamar is back. Derek Henry showed up last week, broke Walter Payton's touchdown record and they're on their way to winning the division. So I'll go to Ravens.
[02:48:01] Speaker A: I'm going Ravens as well.
Freight train from hell. Everybody better get the out of the way there.
All right, so John goes with the Ravens and Bone, who do you get?
[02:48:12] Speaker G: Got Ravens. All right, well, Thursday night Football, they're gonna win.
[02:48:16] Speaker A: Fair. Fair.
Next up here, Cincinnati hosts the Bears.
Oh, I gotta go first on this one.
[02:48:24] Speaker B: This ain't good.
[02:48:26] Speaker A: Cincinnati is really bad. They just lost to the Jets.
I don't think the Bears are that good either.
Cincinnati's at home. Joe Flacco's a wild card. This is really tough to pick. I'm gonna go.
I'll go Bears.
I'm gonna go Bears in this. I have no reason.
[02:48:46] Speaker B: I have no reason for this.
[02:48:47] Speaker A: Gonna go Bears. The. The Bengals just lost to the Jets. That's really.
[02:48:50] Speaker B: I literally just flipped an imaginary queen.
[02:48:53] Speaker A: All right, so John's also going with the Bears. Bone, who you got?
[02:48:56] Speaker G: I am.
I'll go Cincinnati. That way it'll be a little more interesting. Between me and you, I was kind of up in the air.
[02:49:02] Speaker B: Bone's so far ahead now, he takes unnecessary gambles.
[02:49:06] Speaker A: I just want to be further ahead.
[02:49:07] Speaker G: Well, I I feel like they can say still. They can still be like, we can win the division, you know, so.
[02:49:12] Speaker A: That's a good point.
[02:49:13] Speaker G: Even though they. They blew that lead last week, they. I think they can still. They're still thinking that.
[02:49:19] Speaker A: That's fair. That's fair. Kenny, who you got?
[02:49:22] Speaker B: The Bengals just got beat by the jets to bones point. They had a chance to take a pretty commanding position in the division and they said no bungholes. I'll go Bears. Even though they let me down last week against the Ravens.
[02:49:35] Speaker A: Bone's going to be so far ahead after this week.
Next up, Pittsburgh hosts the Colts. All right, so John's going with the Colts. Bone, your pick also going Colts.
No reason why.
[02:49:48] Speaker G: No. Jonathan Taylor is unbelievable.
[02:49:50] Speaker B: Jonathan Taylor Thomas. These boys make me hot.
[02:49:52] Speaker A: It's back.
Nobody has any idea what we're talking about. Kenny, who you got in this one?
[02:49:57] Speaker B: Oh, man.
Ah, this is a tough one. Colts are obviously playing really good football.
They get that foxy owner lady just sitting on the sideline, taking notes, doing big things on the sidelines, keeping tabs on Danny Dimes.
[02:50:10] Speaker A: It's in Pittsburgh.
[02:50:11] Speaker B: Jonathan Taylor Thomas is a monster.
Steelers coming off a brutal loss, emotional loss.
I don't think they can rebound. I'll go Colts.
[02:50:21] Speaker A: I'm going Colts as well.
For all the reasons that you just said and just the fact that.
[02:50:26] Speaker B: Including the foxy owner.
[02:50:27] Speaker D: Yeah, nice.
[02:50:28] Speaker A: I'll give it to you.
But this is way better looking than Jimmy Haslam. Yeah.
No, I think that this all comes down to the fact of what we've been saying all season long. We just haven't acted on it. As far as our picks.
Pittsburgh's not a good team. They're not good. And I would argue that they're just as bad as the Bengals and the Browns are right now. They just have had a softer schedule. They've. They've got some wins. They have a coach that can get them through some of those tight games, and that's why they've gotten some wins. But like I said, the Ravens are a free train from hell. So they're coming. Pittsburgh's going to lose. The Ravens are going to be on top of the division within like, four weeks.
[02:51:04] Speaker B: So, yeah, I think it's important that we have to almost change our definitions of bad because we've been watching bad football for so long.
[02:51:10] Speaker E: That's.
[02:51:11] Speaker B: That's the worst football.
There's also bad football that exists. It's not just the absolute basement barrel, bottom right, which is where the Steelers are. They're bad but they're not anywhere near as bad as the Browns.
[02:51:23] Speaker A: No, I said almost as bad as the Browns and Bengals.
[02:51:25] Speaker B: But no, I'm not quite there. I'm just saying the term bad you wouldn't think is subjective. But in this case we're Browns fans.
[02:51:32] Speaker A: There's levels of bad.
[02:51:33] Speaker D: It is.
[02:51:34] Speaker A: Yeah, there's levels of bad.
And then obviously the Browns are on by but they'll undoubtedly find a way to lose this week.
[02:51:39] Speaker B: So absolutely.
[02:51:40] Speaker A: I know there's going to be some news. Dropped. That's like what the just happened right now by 23.
[02:51:44] Speaker B: Browns 12.
[02:51:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
Still couldn't score 13 points.
And with that, let me remind everybody to call the burger sports guys hot take hotline.
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[02:52:18] Speaker B: We will not, I repeat, not be live on Sunday night. We will be taking a miniature like Dylan Gabriel.
[02:52:26] Speaker A: Another one? You fit another one in there?
[02:52:27] Speaker B: Nice vacation. Brown's vacation.
[02:52:29] Speaker A: Unlike Dylan Gabriel, this show is not.
[02:52:32] Speaker B: Short on Sunday night.
We're just going to enjoy football all day Sunday and not have our day by the Browns. And so we're not going to get on and complain about it Sunday night. But you can look forward to our show next Thursday. We'll be back with our week 10 preview for the game against the goddamn Jets. The jets game.
That's where things are getting wiggity.
[02:52:54] Speaker A: Yeah, this is where it gets wiggly because the jets, they might beat the Browns and then shit gets real for the Browns. Like who do we fire and how quickly?
[02:53:02] Speaker B: I think because they won last week, it won't get as good wiggity as people think.
[02:53:06] Speaker A: The jets, you mean? Yeah, because they're not going to be over when they get they were 04.
[02:53:10] Speaker B: And they beat the Browns. That would really be pretty damning.
[02:53:12] Speaker A: I mean they're still the worst team in the NFL right now.
Or one for.
[02:53:16] Speaker B: They scored more points in one game last week than we have.
[02:53:20] Speaker A: Pretty close.
[02:53:21] Speaker B: And another Browns baggers interview.
[02:53:22] Speaker A: TBD don't forget to check us out on social media. Tap me on Facebook X and Instagram at the tap and media I'm Burning Sportscast. That's this podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, tik tok and YouTube @burning R Sportscast. And on X at Burning River Pod you can find a podcast podcast, Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Stitcher P where I radio Podcast Castro Good Pods. We're number one rank football podcast and so many more. And reviews are the best thing you can do to help our podcast grow. Please keep supporting and we'll continue to grow together, tweak our formula when necessary and keep bringing you the best damn Cleveland Browns pod in the land. You know what that takes us to, Ken?
[02:53:55] Speaker B: Not fat max. 4 days.
Cuz I'm not doing them today because it's the bye week and no one else is listening to the show by now because it's been two hours and it's a bye week.
[02:54:04] Speaker A: You think you could take breaks?
[02:54:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm taking my own break this week. No facts. Sorry.
[02:54:08] Speaker A: All right. How's that make you feel, Bone?
[02:54:10] Speaker G: I was really hoping for more whale facts.
[02:54:13] Speaker A: I was too. It's bye week. Like that's the time to bring out the whale facts.
[02:54:16] Speaker I: What a.
[02:54:16] Speaker A: What a dick.
You're Moby Dick.
[02:54:20] Speaker B: I'm the big white. Well, you know it, baby.
[02:54:23] Speaker A: No, you're not.
No, you're not. Wildly below average.
[02:54:27] Speaker G: Can I go to sleep now?
[02:54:30] Speaker B: Bones, hang that in the homeless guy wig.
[02:54:34] Speaker A: Who?
[02:54:34] Speaker B: Are you serious, Black?
He looks like a guy who hasn't slept in eight years.
[02:54:39] Speaker G: I'm the prisoner of Azkaban they torment my mind and steal all my joy.
[02:54:45] Speaker B: The Dementors.
[02:54:46] Speaker G: Yeah.
[02:54:47] Speaker E: Yes.
[02:54:47] Speaker A: Yes, they do. That's who steals them.
[02:54:52] Speaker G: Yeah. Bon appetit.
[02:54:55] Speaker B: Don't be the prisoner of Azkaban. Don't be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:54:59] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
Burning river. Sportscast.
[02:55:05] Speaker B: Burning rivers.
[02:55:06] Speaker A: Burning river Sportscast.
[02:55:07] Speaker B: Burning rivers.
[02:55:08] Speaker A: Burning rivers.
[02:55:09] Speaker B: Is there a Halloween song?
[02:55:11] Speaker A: This is Halloween. This says Halloween. Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween.
[02:55:15] Speaker B: You know what I'm excited for in this town?
[02:55:18] Speaker A: What?
[02:55:18] Speaker B: After this week, Halloween is done. And you know what that means.
[02:55:22] Speaker G: Christmas.
[02:55:23] Speaker B: Christmas time is here.
[02:55:25] Speaker A: Thanksgiving, man. Everybody always forgets.
[02:55:27] Speaker B: My favorite holiday, Thanksgiving, gets lumped in with the Christmas holiday. Like in terms of carols and the.
[02:55:32] Speaker A: Festive season, Everybody always forgets.
[02:55:34] Speaker B: It's the precursor to Chris Christmas.
[02:55:38] Speaker A: You guys don't like Thanksgiving?
[02:55:39] Speaker B: I like Thanksgiving, but there's no Thanksgiving songs. What are we singing? Oh, we're Pilgrims eating turkey.
[02:55:45] Speaker A: You can say happy Thanksgiving, pilgrims.
[02:55:47] Speaker G: I can't wait for pumpkin pie.
[02:55:49] Speaker B: Bone is a big pumpkin pie guy.
[02:55:51] Speaker G: I love it.
[02:55:52] Speaker A: Yeah, pumpkin pie is good.
[02:55:53] Speaker G: Yeah.
[02:55:54] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland. Good night, Cleveland.
[02:55:56] Speaker E: Good night.
[02:55:56] Speaker A: A quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:56:11] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:56:16] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:56:18] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:56:20] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the burning river. Sports C. Motorboat.
[02:56:31] Speaker E: You play the motorboat.
[02:56:34] Speaker I: You motorboat.
[02:56:35] Speaker E: Son of a.
[02:56:36] Speaker A: You old seal.
[02:56:37] Speaker I: Are you.
[02:56:37] Speaker B: You know what I was thinking during that interview?
[02:56:39] Speaker A: What? What were you think? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts. Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:56:43] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:56:44] Speaker A: My name is Utred son of Utrid, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:56:50] Speaker B: W Women's Guide to To Anal Sex and it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[02:56:57] Speaker G: The weather outside is weather.
[02:56:59] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger eating food. Fingers. Oh my God. My ass is full of she Everywhere.
[02:57:07] Speaker G: Yes.
[02:57:08] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:57:10] Speaker G: Yes.
[02:57:10] Speaker A: Oh no.
We suck again.
[02:57:13] Speaker G: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:57:16] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[02:57:17] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[02:57:18] Speaker G: That's right.
[02:57:19] Speaker A: Touchdown.
[02:57:20] Speaker D: What do you mean funny? Funny how?
[02:57:22] Speaker A: How am I funny? It's going down. I'm yelling. Timber.
God damn. Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like the meat pod Slow roasted.
[02:57:36] Speaker D: The leads are weak. The leads are weak.
[02:57:40] Speaker F: Leads are weak.
[02:57:41] Speaker I: You're weak.
[02:57:42] Speaker B: That we should send a team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet less than a mile high.
[02:57:51] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. Oh, Lord. I mean, when I last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:58:01] Speaker B: Wow. But damn, I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:58:08] Speaker A: You know why, Mr. Cuz you drove.
[02:58:10] Speaker B: A Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:58:12] Speaker A: I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:58:23] Speaker G: This is.
[02:58:23] Speaker A: This is.
[02:58:24] Speaker G: It's Mother Nature.
[02:58:25] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:58:27] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:58:29] Speaker A: I desperately want to make love for this cheese girl.
[02:58:31] Speaker B: We need cheese girl now.
[02:58:32] Speaker A: Down goes Anderson. Down go Sanderson.
[02:58:36] Speaker C: Who.
[02:58:36] Speaker B: Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[02:58:39] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:58:40] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people.
[02:58:42] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:58:44] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:58:48] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:58:51] Speaker E: What?
[02:58:52] Speaker G: Sa you first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:58:59] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[02:59:00] Speaker A: That's cool, man.
[02:59:01] Speaker E: Whatever. No, no, no.
[02:59:03] Speaker A: Most people like, they're driving along and they're like, in between meals, like, I'm a little hungry. I'm going to have a granola bar. And it's like, I need a cheeseburger.
Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
[02:59:16] Speaker E: Is this not why you here?
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