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[00:01:11] Speaker A: It'S time, Time for the Burning River Sportscast. And might it just be Jador time?
Preseason Week one is in the books. Browns fans certainly got more than they bargained for as the kid we've been led to believe was fourth string, a mere fifth round draft pick. Son of a circus built on nothing but hype and social media showed up and showed out. The son of a Hall of Famer went to work and impressed time and again. Was it perfect? No. Is there still a lot of football to be played and a lot of unanswered questions? Yes. Can literally anything still happen? Yes. Were both sides playing with several guys who will never play a regular season NFL game? Yes, all those things are true. But what's also true is what was apparent to everyone with a pulse and with eyes on a TV that this kid is better than advertised. He made the NFL look a little bit foolish for passing on him and made the Browns look foolish for continuously telling us all off season that he was the least capable quarterback in the room, that Dylan Gabriel is further along and that Kenny Pickett was more deserving of first team reps. Shador picked up where he left off, first in college football and completion percentage second in touchdowns, fourth in passing yards, proving at the very least that he is capable and he belongs on an NFL roster. Again, it was one preseason game. It's not time to anoint the guy. Far from it. We're a long way off from understanding his ceiling. But what do you look for in preseason? Guys to take advantage and capitalize on their opportunity. And the very least, he did that and showed that he's absolutely the caliber of player that deserves to be on the field and also brownsbackers Chapter of the Year out of Mile High added a pick to their logo.
We'll break all that down and more for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:53] Speaker C: Joe Horn Jr. Little Horn Jr.
[00:02:55] Speaker A: He is so fast. Jr. Horn Jr. Horn Jr. Little Horn.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: Little Horny, Big Horn.
[00:03:01] Speaker A: A little horn.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: I'm shiny.
[00:03:05] Speaker A: You were sexually attracted to him?
I've watched Kenny Pickett play football and he blows.
[00:03:12] Speaker C: I don't even know how to use AI.
[00:03:17] Speaker A: It looked like he put on 15 pounds of muscle all in the upper body.
Him and him and Jim Shorts both.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: You're sexually attracted to the guy?
[00:03:24] Speaker A: I was. Let me tell you, Ryan can't change his stripes, bro.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: I mean, I. Yeah, something like that.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Whoever's doing it insists that Shedeur's name is actually Cheddar.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Like the cheese.
[00:03:39] Speaker A: Like, it feels like a pretty big mess. NFL cheese.
I really need to find a bathroom soon because it's going to come out of both ends.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: It's a audio take that I didn't think we'd have tonight.
Cheddar again.
[00:04:01] Speaker A: Come on, guys.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: Is Deon talk.
Why does he sound like Gilbert Godfrey?
[00:04:06] Speaker A: He's really frustrated.
Welcome into the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tappin Media. I am Kenny Thunder, joined today by a man who was having carnal relations with apple pie way before it was cool. These Red hot Ronnie jams.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: So.
[00:04:30] Speaker A: And on the board today, he's bald from bush to tush, but hairy work counts on his face. He's the big bone man.
Bone. How much protein?
[00:04:39] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:04:40] Speaker A: How much protein you got to eat each day to grow a lush man like that?
[00:04:43] Speaker C: Oh, it's all in the collagen, Mr. Thunder.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: Oh, nice. You count your macros.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: I like how you're so respectful. To you, it just calls you Mr. Thunder.
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[00:05:02] Speaker A: Oh, you want to know.
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[00:05:28] Speaker A: Got new stuff.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: We'll talk about it.
But today on the show this is what we look forward to. We're recapping the first preseason game against the Panthers and our first look at Shador Sanders under center for the Cleveland Browns. We'll also catch you up on all transactions over the weekend and into this week. We'll be discussing a few things around the league, including Ashton Genty already being put on bust watch question mark. And of course, we'll preview this week's preseason matchup against the defending super bowl champs, the Philadelphia Eagles.
Okay, so hold on to your butts because thunder jams and bones are bringing the electricity, and it's only the preseason. Let's get things started by reminding you to call it.
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[00:06:39] Speaker A: No, none.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: We get any calls this week?
[00:06:42] Speaker A: That'd be a big zero, Captain.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: It's a bad job.
[00:06:44] Speaker C: It's early. It's early, guys.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: It is the first preseason game. I thought somebody would have something to say about short.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: Someone should call.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah, someone should call.
But that'll take us to the burning river, running river.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: We got a nice, nice face going right now. Just gonna get lighter and lighter.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: I'm like. I'm like the saying from the Hawk, like, how do you get so clear? I'm always clear.
[00:07:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say. Are you gonna say you're of a tan? Because you never have a tan.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: I'm always clear.
Like, I'm always angry.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: Wait as they come.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Anyways, before we get too far into the rundown this week, we do have a few announcements.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Announcements.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Number one, the newest Brownsbacker chapter to add us is the official PODC chapter, the Kent Browns Backers. That's right. That's why I'm wearing a hat. You got one, you know. But, yeah, the Kent Brownsbackers. We've done a number of things with those guys. I know we've been involved with their golf outing a couple years in a row. This year, one of our sponsors, Prime Time Sports and Framing, was able to donate some stuff to give away for their raffle. So they run a good outing. Yeah. Good outing.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:55] Speaker B: We appreciate those guys.
Ron over there. Just.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: We met them way back on the Browns Fan Cruise.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Fan cruise yeah. Ate dinner with them.
[00:08:04] Speaker A: Yeah, we had their dinner.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: Yeah. But thanks a lot, Ron. We appreciate that. You guys will be receiving a Burning River Sports cast flag for each of your viewing locations. So next up here, John Hughes. Big John Hughes.
This is kind of a big deal.
He will be joining King of the north this season. So in case anyone doesn't know, King of the north is our yearly pickup competition where the end of the season, the loser gets punished. Kenny, how many times have you lost in a row?
[00:08:35] Speaker A: Every time.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: So that's three. So John Hughes has nothing to worry about as far as being punished, but he will be punished if he comes in last. So maybe he's worse than you.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: I'm going to win this year, Bone.
[00:08:49] Speaker B: Do you have anything to say about that?
[00:08:51] Speaker C: I've hoped to win this year.
[00:08:53] Speaker B: So humble.
[00:08:54] Speaker C: Because I don't want to lose.
[00:08:56] Speaker B: Nobody wants to lose. Nobody wants to lose. Speaking of which, we still have not done your punishment.
That's still coming. Just. Just anybody that follows the show. That's still coming. We haven't forgot about it, and we aren't going to let them off the hook.
We're just trying to plan that out. It's a little bit more difficult than we thought. We might have to change the logistics. Yeah, yeah. So there's some things in the work works. We're just one.
[00:09:16] Speaker A: Work, work, work.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: There's worse work, work. There's some things in the works. So we'll see. We'll see what Kenny's gonna have to do here, but it's coming up soon. John also will. Will be remaining our defensive correspondent this.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: Year, so, yes, we always appreciate John's insights since you and we all played the game, but he really played the game.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Yeah, he. He really played the game. So I'm actually going to save one of these announcements, but the. The. The last one for this section here is. Is brownstronaut will be joining the show this year on a regular basis. In case anyone doesn't know, Brown Strawn is a super fan for the Cleveland Browns. You can catch him at all home games.
And he actually. He sent in a little promo video that we could show you guys. Or if you're listening to the audio version, you could hear what he has to say. So let's do that now.
[00:10:02] Speaker A: Good afternoon, brownstronaut.
[00:10:06] Speaker C: Greetings, humans, aliens and Browns fans alike.
[00:10:09] Speaker B: Welcome to season four of Burning River Sportscast.
[00:10:12] Speaker C: This year, I'm thrilled to join the.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Team alongside Kenny, Ronnie the Bone man.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: Big John Hughes, macho fan, and of.
[00:10:19] Speaker C: Course, the best fans in the galaxy. See y' all soon.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Peace.
All right. And then obviously, we'll be continuing our Browns backers interview series this season. That'll Week one.
Who do we have? I actually already have that one.
[00:10:34] Speaker A: Cincinnati.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, I should have looked at this beforehand. Give me a second.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, we'll just do some talking while you look.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: East side Browns backers, week one, because Cincinnati's. We have that game at home. Right. So.
[00:10:51] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: I don't know. Who knows?
[00:10:53] Speaker A: We should probably be more prepared for our own show.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: It's the east side brownsbackers that are out of Cleveland, so I know it has to be a home game.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: It's still breezy. It is like, we're still getting reps, guys. Yeah, we're refining the details.
[00:11:05] Speaker B: Listen, it's still early. I'm just trying to make the squad this year.
It's looking like I might be cut.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: Trying to be on the active roster.
[00:11:12] Speaker B: They're going to cut me, replace me. Bone, you ready to be on the desk over here?
[00:11:17] Speaker C: No, I'm going to stay over here in the corner.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: See, this is why I know I don't have to be worried about my job, because Bone will just turn it down. He'll just be like, I'm not taking the promotion.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: The day we fire you will be the best day of my life.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: You can't fire me. You can't fire me.
But, yeah, so it'll be Eastside brownsbankers. But anyways, let's get on to the Burning river rundown. With all the starters sitting out, the Browns comfortably manhandled the Panthers for most of this one and easily came away with a 30 to 10 victory.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: 17. Oh, here we go.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: In the preseason, the only time we didn't dominate is when their starters on offense were in. And Bryce Young looked all world.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know what that was.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: All of a sudden, we thought Bryce Young was the best quarterback that ever lived.
[00:11:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he looked. He looked sharp, but he's not a little concerning that.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: He just came out and marched him.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: Right now a little.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:06] Speaker A: Is that, like. Because he's.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: Sure. I mean, the old. I get it. Yeah. The only thing that I would say is literally none of our starters were in. So true. You know, take that for what it is. But he dominated second teamers. He probably should at this point.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: I mean, I would hope. What is. He's in year three, isn't he?
[00:12:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:24] Speaker C: He's number one pick, right?
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah. He went from starter to bench back to starter yeah, any Belcher they put.
[00:12:31] Speaker C: In Annie Dalton over him.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:32] Speaker C: Last year, didn't they?
[00:12:34] Speaker B: So a lot of weird stuff going on. They're probably the only organization that's run worse than.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: To his credit, he finished the year on a high note.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: It actually.
Speaking of the only organization run worse than the Browns, last week we talked about, you know, PFF has us ranked as the worst team in football. I disagree. After this, I can, I can comfortably say Carolina is the worst team in football.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah, they lost us in the preseason by a lot.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: Not a little by a lot.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: I don't know though. I mean their, their starting receiver core is pretty good. Pretty good.
[00:13:04] Speaker B: Yeah. But they got Bryce Young throwing to them all year.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: How about little Joe Horn? Man, I don't even think his name is Joe, but Little Horn, he was.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Joe Horn Jr. Little Horn Jr.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: He is so fast.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Jr. Horn. Jr. Horn.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: Horn Jr. Little Horn.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Little Horny.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: Big Horn. A little Horn.
He was so fast. I was shocked.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: It's like when you got Ken and Kenny. It's horn and horny.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah, horny. So horny right now.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: Anyways, Shador Sanders had his debut 14 of 23 for 138 yards and two touchdowns. And obviously, you know, there's a lot to talk about with Shador because that's, that's, that's going to be the big talk all around Cleveland all preseason is going to be the quarterbacks. Save that for a second. Let's get into some of this other stuff. We'll come back to the quarterbacks because we have a whole discussion smart around them. So what we'll say now. Solid, solid debut. He played decent. There were some things to improve on, but he played well.
[00:13:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he was, he was. He was competent.
[00:14:00] Speaker B: He did everything he needed, which, which.
[00:14:03] Speaker A: Is all I've been asking for since 1999.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: And, and I guess competency and, and the one thing that we can say here is as far as. As his game and what he brought to the table this week is that even when there was rushers in his face and everything else, he was poised, he was calm and collected.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Let's save this.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: Okay?
[00:14:23] Speaker A: All right.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: We won't get into that. I guess Dustin Hopkins still ass.
[00:14:28] Speaker A: My gosh. I really thought he missed two bone.
[00:14:31] Speaker B: He was your favorite player in Cleveland history for a while. How do you feel about this?
[00:14:34] Speaker C: Well, that was two years ago when he did things for the team.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: What have you done for me lately?
[00:14:40] Speaker C: He had an entire season of missing kicks last year, so I fell out of. Well, he fell out of my good graces there.
[00:14:47] Speaker B: Listen, Bone is the most steadfast friend you could ever have in your life when it comes to you being his favorite football player. He's fickle as shit.
He's like, you missed some kicks.
[00:14:58] Speaker A: You done with you?
[00:14:59] Speaker C: He's really bad.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: He's really bad.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: He's really bad. Look, here's the thing. I know they have, like, contract invested in this guy, but they gotta do something.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: Yeah, they do, but it's a kicker contract. I mean, it's like a couple million dollars. Yeah. Let's be real.
[00:15:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, they paid him for, you know, kicker, but.
But they gotta do something. You can't go. He's not a serious player at this point. The fact that.
[00:15:20] Speaker B: Think of all the. All the. And I didn't. I should have, but I didn't bring up all the kickers that are just sitting out there on no team. So you could pay the minimum, too. And you're like, they can miss kicks, too. Go ahead.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: You'll miss the same amount.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
The fact that it was preseason week one, and he picked up right where he left off is.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: Is super alarming.
[00:15:41] Speaker A: Yes. Super good.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: It's beyond concerning.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: That means, like, kicking is. It's very much like the game of golf. Right? I mean, it's. It's a lot about your mental toughness and your headspace and where you're at.
[00:15:51] Speaker B: Justin Hopkins has none.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: And Dustin Hopkins is in the same headspace that he was when he was missing goals six months ago, which is a very bad, bad situation because that means he's been thinking about it all offseason, and it's still bothering him to the point where he can't put it through the uprights. Now, what we're trying to tell you.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: Dustin Hopkins, is you're weak.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: Yeah. These leads are weak.
You are weak.
They got to do something. Kicker. I mean, you can't. That's not a serious. It's not a serious. He's not a serious kicker anymore. You got to do something.
[00:16:22] Speaker B: No, I will still. I still maintain, though, that our shirt that we made, that's still in our shop, that's. Dustin is better, Is greater.
[00:16:28] Speaker A: Well, at least he's not a raper.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's still on. He's on an NFL team because he's not a raper.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: I'm so not a raper.
[00:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah, we're gonna have to bleep out the R word for all socials.
[00:16:43] Speaker C: Can't say that on the Step Brothers reference.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: No, I mean, I. I Get you. But it's just.
Yeah.
On the opposite end of the spectrum.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: I'll play the Step brothers quote.
[00:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, there you go. On the opposite end of the spectrum here, Corey Bajoraque.
Mid season form, dude averaged 51 yards per punt on five punts and he had two inside the 20 and as.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: Long was 62, he can still boom it. I like how the the two of the three top stories out of the preseason week specialists, the kickers on both.
[00:17:13] Speaker B: Sides where you win the game.
[00:17:14] Speaker C: Never changes.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: Never changes. Who had that in their uno cards?
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Nobody. Most important, we're just bringing the, the heat on the Burning River.
[00:17:23] Speaker A: Sports important story out of Browns preseason week one. The kicker and the punter there, Shador.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: Was ahead of them.
Next up, Mason Graham, our top pick from this year. Very quiet.
He didn't play very much. He only played like, like one series or maybe two series. But he didn't really do anything.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: So I don't know how many steps he actually got.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: I think he had one. One stat. He had a tackle, I think one tackle.
[00:17:48] Speaker A: But I mean he also plays defensive line so I mean it's not like you lighted the stat sheet anyways. I mean if you have four tackles.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: So we probably could have used it like because, because he's known as like a good pass rusher from the inside. So we probably, you know, some pressure on Bryce Young when he was torching us all the way down.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: True. Yeah. I mean, because what was that drive? Like a 92 yard drive?
[00:18:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it wasn't. We looked bad.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Yeah, we did.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: I mean again, most of them were second stringers.
Mason. Mason Graham's out there for a series or two because he's a rookie. We know he's going to start but I mean we could have used some pressure on Bryce Young, so.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: Yeah, pressure would have been good.
McMillan. I can't think of, I can't pronounce his first name.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Receiver.
Yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about.
[00:18:33] Speaker A: He only had two catches but man, that one down the sideline was pretty impressive.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: Well, and that's kind of his M.O. he flashes that ability. He does have it. But everybody says he's like not, you know, he's not constantly doing the right things football wise to and I don't know, he's just.
Oh.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: This says Little Horn's name is Jimmy.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: We were all wrong. Where's our guy?
Is there a guy on the board that's supposed to be fact checking us?
[00:19:03] Speaker A: Continuity steward.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: What an idiot.
Again, this is why I'm not concerned about my job because we got bone on. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
He's like, I didn't know that was in my purview.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: It's in your contract.
[00:19:18] Speaker B: Next up here, Luke Floria. Impressive again. But unfortunately he has been cut as of. Waived with an injury designation, I should say as of Monday.
He had a. I think we could.
[00:19:28] Speaker A: Play back what I said literally like five days ago, which was the.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: Wait. Should we bring back the effects? You probably don't probably want to.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: I don't want to find that. Yeah, the Browns will literally do the right thing and they will cut him immediately. So. Which. Which they did.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: He was a blown little bright spot though, on the offense.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: He made that spectacular catch.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: One handed catch that, that, that he got hamstrung on.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that was the one. That was where his injury came in. He said, sure, this is going to be phenomenal.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah, he did have the questionable punt return before that.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: You win some, you lose.
[00:19:59] Speaker A: Kind of backwards always, but.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: Well, when you're really. You're desperately trying to make the team, then I desperately. When you're desperately trying to make the team, you do some silly things sometimes. But it's preseason.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: I mean, I, you know, they do stuff.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: But again, serious quota quote, serious hamstring injury they're talking about. He could potentially, as long as he clears waivers, make his way back to our team when he comes back from his injury later in the season. So we'll see.
[00:20:26] Speaker A: Yeah, we talked about guys last week that are standing in line with a lottery ticket getting ready to collect their winnings. Luke Flory is a guy that like, he, he had the scratch off and he was like, yeah, I did it. I'm about to make this team. And then he realized that he only had three of the four numbers.
[00:20:42] Speaker B: Son of a.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Nothing on the card. $0 for you.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: $0, sir. Yeah. Speaking of wide receivers trying to make the team though, Kaden Davis, two touchdowns.
So I mean, trying to. This reminds me of last year. What was the receiver's name last year? Again, these are preseason names. So it's like they're big names at the time, but they're not big names later.
But the guy last year that caught like four touchdown pass in the preseason, everybody was like, he's going to make team immediately cut. Yeah. So Kaden Davis, great job, good effort, but you're probably going to be cut as well. So sorry.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I'm not heartbroken about that.
[00:21:17] Speaker B: Plus the guy looks like he looks older than me, so he's not. But he looks older than me.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: We're judging. Smile. I'm just saying you are not attractive, sir.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: No, I just mean when I look at him, I don't think athlete. I think, like, old man.
[00:21:31] Speaker A: Yeah, you look like an old man.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: You look like you're 38 that just never played football. But anyways, anybody stand out to you.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: Guys and he looks like an old man. He looks like he's 38. He's like a year old.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: That's ancient. And that's ancient in NFL terms. That's what I'm saying.
Anyway, stand out to you in this game?
[00:21:52] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: Who I want to know.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: How about a guy named Toa Tua?
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Oh, Toa Tua did stand, like 5 foot 8. That's almost like Tamatoa if you. If you watch Moana. I know, I know. Bone seen Moana.
[00:22:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: I love Moana Tamatoa. I'm shiny. I don't know what shiny crap.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: I don't know what's happening anymore.
Toa Tua, though.
I mean, only like five carries for 30 yards. But, I mean, it's a nice average. I just thought he had nice verse.
And he's a super, like, compact, you know, got all, like, the dope Samoan tats and stuff. Like, I was like, that dude looks mean. Like, he runs hard.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: Like you'd be afraid to tackle him.
[00:22:29] Speaker A: Like, he's, like, chasing the rock. Like a little rock.
[00:22:31] Speaker C: He's like one of those guys.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: Can we nickname him Little Rock?
[00:22:34] Speaker A: Little rock, yeah.
[00:22:35] Speaker C: Week 14 of the season, he gets to play because somebody's hurt, and you're like, where do you come?
[00:22:39] Speaker B: He rushes for 213 yards.
[00:22:41] Speaker A: I just feel like he was a guy I wouldn't want to tackle. Yeah, I mean, he probably won't make the team, but I was impressed.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm going to stay in the running back room. I thought Travion Williams looked pretty good. Again, limited work, but he did average 5.2 yards of carry. He added two catches, and he just. Same thing. He just looked fresh. He looked good.
And he looks like he's ready to make a roster. He might actually make the roster.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: So you were sexually attracted to him?
[00:23:05] Speaker B: None of that.
[00:23:06] Speaker A: Not to the other guy, but this guy. Yes. You looked fresh.
Fresh meat.
[00:23:13] Speaker B: You can't say anything on the show.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: Raw Dog Ronnie Jam.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Is happening right now.
It is week two of the preseason.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: Anybody look good to you?
[00:23:26] Speaker C: I was gonna.
The linebacker. Swing. Swinger.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Swinger.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: Sweezinger.
[00:23:31] Speaker C: Sweezinger, Yeah.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: I can't say his name either.
[00:23:34] Speaker C: A lot of players I didn't really like watch him. Every play he seemed to be. He's always around the football. He looked fast and then I. I looked him up a little bit and they said he was the. On whatever. Pff. If that means anything in a preseason game, he's the second highest rated rookie, offense or defense.
[00:23:49] Speaker B: I don't put a lot of stock.
[00:23:50] Speaker C: In ps, so I don't know, does that mean anything?
[00:23:53] Speaker B: But the only time I like PFF is when it suits me. Like, I can say Miles Gary.
[00:23:57] Speaker C: That's what it fits.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: Is definitely better than tj, My guy right here.
[00:24:01] Speaker C: So I threw it out there. Sounds smart.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Good job. Good job.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: I threw it out there. Sounds smart.
That's Bones.
[00:24:08] Speaker B: Mo. Pff.
Just acronyms.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: Analytics.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:14] Speaker A: You know, I was just using my analytics.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: My monthly subscription to pfs. Pffsf. Pffs.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So many acronyms. So many. Analytics.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: So many acronym acronyms is actually what analytics means. Yeah, that's. Analytics is just acronyms. Abc, BBC, bbl, bbq.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Bbq.
[00:24:39] Speaker A: NFL, ncaa. Those are all just analytics.
We are deep in the analytics world here on the Burning River Sportscast.
We are. Of all the podcasts you can listen to any given time, we are the most in the analytics.
[00:24:54] Speaker B: Brs.
[00:24:56] Speaker A: That's right, brs. Yeah, exactly, Tim.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: AKA AK Ron.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
Anyways, let's talk about quarterbacks now. So, again, you know, we kind of. We kind of mentioned it a little bit earlier that he had a decent performance in this game, but despite the performance by Shador Sanders, the depth chart most likely will remain exactly the same. And if you don't believe me, just listen to Kevin Stefanski. After the game. He said, and I. I quote, the situations were invaluable for Shador and all of our offense. We got a third and one where we had a quarterback sneak. I mean, there's just a lot of football. And that's by design with him getting a ton of reps in this game. And he'll get a ton of reps next week as well. That's all part of our development of young players, basically. He didn't say shit.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Look, and Kevin's famous for this, you know, we gotta go back to the tape to see what happened. It just drives me crazy because we all watched it in real time. We all know what we saw. You can't, as the leader of your franchise, least come out and just be honest for one second. You know, I'm not asking you to anoint.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: Don't endorse the guy, just. Just come out and say, Shador had a good game.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: All you have to do is say, yeah, pick something. You know, decision making was pretty good tonight. You know, obviously we'll go back to the film and see where we can improve, you know, for.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: And that's exactly where I think he falls short as a coach is. Is he doesn't actually go out of his way to either pick up players or even call out players when they need it and just say something like that. Say, decision making was good. He looked like an NFL quarterback out there. And then move on and say, but we're going to look at the tape. We're going to analyz.
[00:26:23] Speaker A: There's. There's nothing wrong with telling the truth, which is just acknowledging what we saw.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: And like. Like last year was the adequate. Last year the opposite. He should have said, DeShawn Watson has. There's something going on that we need to figure out. Yeah, but we're going to watch the tape and we're going to analyze it. So we're just say all the same things. Just add one critique.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: You can say there's a lot of room for improvement. That's. That's easy enough. But I just. It drives me crazy that we can't at least be honest in that moment and just say, you know, he had a pretty good night. You know, made some good decisions out there.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: Throws, Tell you what, throws look pretty good.
[00:26:53] Speaker A: Touchdown passes were nice.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: I'll tell you what led us into.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: The end zone a couple times. You know, for a team that averaged 16.1 points per game or whatever we did last year, we doubled that for SH To. For SH to take them to score more points than they did in any game last year. In the preseason, in his snaps, performed.
[00:27:10] Speaker C: Well in the red zone.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: Yeah, just something, right? Give me something that you saw. Don't act like you didn't watch the game. I mean, are you that invested in that play sheet that you literally did not watch. Watch a single play?
[00:27:22] Speaker B: You know what was good, though?
[00:27:23] Speaker A: The. The quarterback sneak, apparently his beard.
I will say this on point.
[00:27:28] Speaker B: Best beard in the game.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: Not only that, it looked like he put on 15 pounds of muscle all in the upper body.
Him and. Him and Jim Schwartz both.
[00:27:36] Speaker B: You're sexually attracted to the guy.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: I was. Let me tell you that that coaching staff may not be competent in the least, but they are the best looking and most jacked out of all the coaching staff.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: Jim Schwartz looks like he'll whoop your ass.
[00:27:48] Speaker A: Vascularity in that guy's. Arms. I was like, man, you were sexually attracted to mult. You gu. Pounding the iron in the off season.
Like they were. They were getting after it. They. They look ready to play moving weight.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: Can you wipe that drool off your mouth, please?
[00:28:03] Speaker A: Thanks, Kevin.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: Yo, but yeah, I mean they are handsome as.
Yeah, I mean, it just. It. I just can't stand his post game news conferences. I'm just like, what? Just say something.
Like, just read this back through. It doesn't even make sense what he said in the first place. And second, like you didn't say anything.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: Well, I like that he picked out the quarterback sneak as like a game situation.
That was the one play where I was like, are you gonna have your rookie quarterback like lay on the ground on top, like under a bunch of 300 pound linemen in a preseason game? It doesn't matter.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Especially when we all know that in the regular season we got, we got third and one.
We know what you're doing. You're doing a reverse.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:28:47] Speaker C: You can't let, you can't let everybody see that.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: Yes, he did. They RA in this game.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: No, I just. To me, that blown up for minus.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: 12 yards or whatever.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: To me that was the most questionable call in the game. Like, what are we doing? Why are you putting a quarterback on the ground in a preseason game? Makes no sense at all.
But anyways, back to just evaluating the quarterbacks. Look, Shador had a nice night.
I think we're not going to talk.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: About Tyler Huntley though, because they just signed him to. Because they needed a quarterback to play behind Shador Snuggers.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: I mean, I think what, what Tyler Huntley showed you is that there. If, if you're of relative competence at all, like you can orchestrate. Kevin.
[00:29:25] Speaker B: Relative competence? Don't forget Tyler Huntley made a Pro Bowl.
[00:29:30] Speaker A: Look, I'm not saying that he's the worst. I'm just. I mean, I'm just.
[00:29:32] Speaker B: I'm just. I'm just kidding. Tyler Huntley's not good.
[00:29:35] Speaker A: No, but he's. He was, he was effective in the offense. My, my point is, if you're a relative competence, you can run Kevin Stefanski's offense, which just goes back to speak to like how bad things were when desean Watson was running it and couldn't get a first down. Go put the ball in the end zone.
I don'. Gets overly complicated.
He. He showed plenty. Well for a guy that spent three days in practice.
But, but Shador showed really well for a guy that has been pushed down a depth Chart has been, you know, doing drills at camp, throwing balls to equipment players, equipment people like, wasn't getting any first team reps. You know, for a guy that was, was drafted in the, the fifth round 144, he played better than. And what I think anyone anticipated, when the whole NFL passes on you multiple times and you come out and have a performance like that, like it, it's setting off some red flags somewhere that something was missed.
There were a lot of rookies that got play in the NFL over the last week.
They're not all on SportsCenter right now. Like they, they didn't all play that well. And granted it's one preseason game. Again, I'm not ready to anoint the guy or say like he should be the day one starter or any of that at this point.
There's a lot of football to be played. He could play the next two preseason games and absolutely blow.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: But I have a hard time believing that's, you know, possible or plausible at this point because he afforded himself really well.
He made good decisions. He looked, he looked poised under pressure. He threw a nice accurate ball, had a few drops in there. There were a couple overthrows here and there. But he's also a rookie in his.
[00:31:13] Speaker B: Spot, jacked up for his first preseason game.
[00:31:15] Speaker A: So I mean, I didn't walk away from that feeling like I did when I watched Deshaun Kaiser play. Play.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: No.
[00:31:21] Speaker C: And just the fact that he had a. Multiple plays, multiple, sorry, too much multiples. But defenders coming right at his face. He still stepped forward into the pocket, threw the ball and then got hit. Not everybody.
[00:31:33] Speaker B: And he made multiple people miss in the backfield. Like, not just miss, like he juked him out of their shoes.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: And, and a couple of those throws were, you know, there's, there's throws that like, you know, like you or I could make. Where you could make one throw an NFL quarterback makes in a game. Like I could dump that off. But then there's also big time NFL throws. The first touchdown in that way window, that was a big time.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: Both touchdowns in both windows. They were tiny windows.
[00:31:56] Speaker A: So the first touchdown throw in the tiny window was a great throw. I mean like top 10 quarterback throw. Yeah, the throw where they had the drive where they were backed up on their own goal line. And I don't know if it was third down or what, but he was in his own end zone fighting off defenders and made a dart of a throw on that drag that was for, I don't know, 18 yards or whatever. Like that was a Big time NFL throw.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: This sounds like all the throws Deshaun Watson can't make.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that too. And then the second time touchdown where you had pressure in your face, you stepped up into it and away from it and made, made a non time throw in a, in a tight window. Like those were big time NFL passes that if you don't have a certain level of talent, you're never going to make?
[00:32:37] Speaker B: No.
[00:32:38] Speaker A: And he at least showed those.
[00:32:39] Speaker B: Was every throw that he threw make those throws?
[00:32:42] Speaker A: No. And was every throw perfect? It. Was every throw a big time NFL? No. But those handful of throws show you that he has six something.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'll say this. Even though it took a spectacular, it was a little overthrown. It took a spectacular catch by Luke Flor, the one down the sideline. The dude was in his like hitting him in the face when he was throwing. So like you're on the run, moving off to your right and somebody's pushing you, like got their hands in your face and you still make that throw.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: And those are the takeaways from a preseason game. Right. Like is he, is he keeping the offense on schedule? Is he throwing the ball on time? Is he hitting guys that are open? Is he making checkdowns at the right time? Does he show the ability to throw to put some zing on the ball when he has to and does he show the ability to put some touch under the ball when he needs to? And I think he did all like he checked all of those boxes.
[00:33:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:28] Speaker A: So it was, it was a very encouraging performance.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:32] Speaker A: If nothing else, he didn't set the.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: World on fire, but he did everything he had to do to instill some confidence in him as an NFL quarterback.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: And that's all you can do.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:40] Speaker A: Right. I mean, you know, it's, it's, it's.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: Very, especially to your point earlier and, and we've all said it at some point already in these first two episodes is the, the situation that they've in thus far, like that's the most you can do right now is you just instill confidence that you can do this well.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: And if you tell me that you're the four string quarterback, I certainly don't expect that type of performance from you. No, I mean think about the guys that have been four string on this roster in the past. Kevin Hogan's of the world. Like that guy was not making any of those, man.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: The Jersey list. Imagine the fourth string list or third string list from the, like we think.
[00:34:16] Speaker A: About the bad guys that have started here, let alone A third and fourth.
[00:34:18] Speaker B: That's what I mean. Like. Like. Yeah.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: I mean, he's. He's way better at. Than those guys, so.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: Yeah. But as I said, despite that strong performance, the depth chart most likely going to remain the same.
They've actually already kind of hinted they might have actually released it, that Gabriel is ahead of him still on. On the depth chart, and that's who's probably getting most of the snaps with the first team this week. And we'll probably start the second preseason game, which. Which makes sense. I mean, you got to see. He's the next one up that you got to see, because Kenny Pickett still hurt Joe Flacco. They. They know what they have. He's probably not gonna play any preseason.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: Two things on NFL Network right after the game, that Shador Sanders is the best physical trainer on the team because he was healing hamstrings and elbows miraculously overnight, because those guys are like, I got to get on the field now. Like, I can't afford to not. Not be in camp anymore.
[00:35:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: But also the fact that Shador Sanders, after playing that well, is listed at fourth string on this depth chart is a glaring indictment of how incompetent this coaching staff is.
You know, and we. And we've talked about that before is just like, the. How little faith we have in this group to get it right. The fact that, like, okay, we passed on this guy, even once we got the guy, we still couldn't see his talent during minicamp and. And training camp. And now the preseason and the fact that you have him behind Kenny Pickett.
Shador showed me enough to know that Shador doesn't blow.
I've watched Kenny Pickett play football, and he blows.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: His hands are so small.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: The fact that you were behind Kenny Pickett on the depth chart makes me question your ability to do anything remotely around running a football team.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's. It's all fair statements. And Kenny Pickett, like, here's What I'll say is. Is he is technically ahead of him on the depth chart right now. But I think what this performance opened up is. I think Kenny Pickett is now the likely one to be moved before the preseason starts or before the. Before the regular season starts. I know this week, several analysts came out and said they predict that he'll be traded before the season starts. One of them even gave a. They said it'll probably go to the Saints.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: I still don't think you're getting a draft pick for him.
You have four quarterbacks. You have Six quarterbacks on the roster right now. You're not getting draft capital for any of those.
[00:36:35] Speaker B: Yeah, the NFL, whether. I'm not saying he's technically he's going to get trade. I'm just saying, regardless, I think I would agree with that assessment that Kenny Pickett is now the odd man out before the season starts. I would not be surprised if they.
[00:36:47] Speaker A: Should have never been an odd man in.
[00:36:49] Speaker B: Well, I agree. I don't know why we would ever give up draft capital for Kenny Picket, but no, here we are.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: No.
[00:36:54] Speaker B: And he's not even playing. So now, this week, coming into this week, again, like I said, I don't think Joe Flacco plays at all in the preseason. So this week, what you're going to get is you're probably going to get Gabriel starting and playing several series, and then you'll get a heavy dose of Shador Sanders, probably. And then I would assume they keep Tyler Huntley on the roster and let him play the final snaps again.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: I'm actually really looking forward to watching Dylan Gabriel play because I want to see him in that same scenario and see if he struggles or if he meets the. The moment right. You know, it's possible he meets the moment just like Shador did, and then you look at it and go, it's a legitimate conversation.
[00:37:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:29] Speaker A: But if he comes out and squanders the opportunity and looks miserable, like, this starts to become really easy to understand going forward. Even if you say, you know, Shador is not going to start the season, fine, let's roll into week one with Joe Flacco, see where things go. Great. But Shador could at least be the backup then at that point. And if you need to keep Kenny Pickett around as a third stringer, great. But my guess is, and what we probably would hope for is that Dylan is good enough to be on the roster since they used draft capital on him, and that, you know, those guys are capable of backing up Joe Flacco. But I'm really interested to see Dylan Gabriel.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: So. So let's. Let's play that game here. So the. There's basically four possible outcomes. Let's just say, like, let's say Dylan Gabriel plays well, Sanders plays poorly. Where do we end up there? I mean, you kind of end up where you were before this game, right? Sure. And you still say, okay, well, then maybe Dylan Gabriel's the guy. Okay, what if Sanders plays well and Gabriel plays poorly again, is sand. I mean, do you officially move them up the depth chart? I know we probably would, but we don't coach the team. So, I mean, what do you think the Browns do at that point? You think there's any actual conversations or they stick with their guy?
[00:38:38] Speaker A: I think that this has never been about football for the Cleveland Browns, period, which is sad to say. I think they'll continue to try to bury Shador no matter what, because I don't think he was Andrew Barry or Kevin Stefani his first pick or a pick at all. Or a pick at all.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: I read the quote from the. The press conference. His body language while he was talking about Shador was just like, I can't believe I have to talk about this guy.
[00:39:00] Speaker A: Right.
[00:39:01] Speaker B: It's like. Like, this is the last thing I want to do is talk about Shador Sanders.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And because. And to be fair, he probably knows what's coming. Right.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: He knows that the way yourself better.
[00:39:11] Speaker A: He knows that the way he played.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: Is going to make everyone question NFL head coach, prepare yourself better and. And. And compose yourself and don't come out there and look like an idiot.
[00:39:20] Speaker A: It true.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: But yeah. So there's. There's two scenarios. There's also the. They both play poorly, in which case you're still right. Where we're at now is, okay, well, then Shador probably has the. The lead or they both play really well. That's kind of the scenario I'm hoping for, to be honest with you, is because then we get into the.
You know, they both at least warrant a draft pick. Like, right now, I'm like, why did we pick two quarters?
[00:39:45] Speaker A: I would like to see Gabriel play well. If nothing else, just to give me some level of confidence back in this coaching staff to think, like, these guys aren't complete buffoons.
[00:39:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:54] Speaker A: Because if this guy goes out there and blows like Kenny Pickett, then. Then I'm like, what? Like, seriously, what are you doing here?
[00:40:01] Speaker B: I hope this has become so political.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: And not about football that it's. It's. It's glaringly obvious to all of us now.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: I hope to God Kenny Pickett gets healthy before the last preseason game and goes out there against, like, four stringers and throws three picks and throws like the. The. The like clown over, like, is trying to get the ball and just like, throws it straight up in the air. Like, I hope that happens.
[00:40:20] Speaker A: I do.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: Because I'm just done with Kenny Pickett. I don't want to him here.
He does have nice hair, I guess, but.
But he's got small hands. He wears two gloves because he has small hands. I just h. He's so bad. Why do we still have him on the team?
[00:40:36] Speaker A: All I know is all offseason long I heard Dylan Gabriel is further ahead. He's better on the whiteboard. He's better at processing information.
They love his comp.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: I just find it hard.
[00:40:46] Speaker A: Like I better see all of those things on Saturday at 1 o' clock or like, what are we doing here? Yeah, because it's a scary thought to think like we're invested in this game and we're fans and we spend our hard earned money buying these guys jerseys and tickets to games and, and our time capital and watching them if their interest really isn't in putting the best product.
[00:41:07] Speaker B: Well, and I think at that point too you also start like this is where you really start questioning analytics. Like, okay, if in the classroom.
[00:41:13] Speaker A: Here we go. Analytics talk, abc, BBC, cbs.
[00:41:17] Speaker B: If in the classroom and like when they're sitting there going over, filming everything, like, sure, Dylan Gabri Gabriel might process information faster in the classroom, but if out on the field should always playing heads, head and shoulders better than Dylan Gabriel, then why isn't he the guy playing? Because clearly, and I don't care what, what the analytics guys say. You played football, Bone. You played football. I played football.
There is something to be said about guys that just get it on the field.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:41:44] Speaker B: Because.
[00:41:44] Speaker A: Because so much more of playing is instinctual instincts and do you have the instincts to make the play or not?
[00:41:50] Speaker B: And I mean Bones, probably the best example, this had like 175 tackles our senior year.
And he's like this like the smallest guy on the, on the team and he's our middle linebacker. Just going out there and he just was always in the right place at the right time. All right.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: He's like Dylan Gabriel.
He's not that small.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: He's.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: He's at least like six. He's grown enough.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: I mean he was six foot. He.
[00:42:11] Speaker B: I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like trash and Bones. I said he was great. I said he had like 175 tattoos.
[00:42:19] Speaker A: When you what, what did the. Where did they have you in college? On, on in rotation? Were you still playing linebacker or you.
[00:42:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I was playing inside.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: He was big up to play linebacker in college.
[00:42:28] Speaker C: Third, fourth string, three, baby.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: I think it was sound like he was a miniature.
[00:42:32] Speaker B: You know what? How much did you, how much were.
[00:42:33] Speaker C: You scout team, running back, basically.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: How much were you on the program? Like how much they have you weighing on the program our senior year?
[00:42:40] Speaker C: I think 190.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: Oh yeah.
[00:42:43] Speaker A: I mean that's for a high school kid. Sure.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:42:45] Speaker A: He's not meanish. Miniature. Yeah. Anyway, enough about our high school.
[00:42:49] Speaker C: I was probably 175 by the end of the year.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: You didn't do yourself on your face.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: What were we even talking about? Oh, instincts and analytics.
Yeah. On some level, like, you have to be able to play. Look, I've been watching football for a long time. I process information quickly. That doesn't make me a good NFL player. Like, I know a lot of football. I could scheme and write on a whiteboard a whole lot of plays, and I could tell you where. Who needs to go where and what they need to cover and whose job is. That doesn't mean I can play. I don't have the ins. I don't have the instincts or the body to play at that level. Level.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Right.
[00:43:21] Speaker A: Like, that's way more important than my ability to draw on a whiteboard.
[00:43:25] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. I just. I just don't understand this. This. This emphasis on, like, processes information so fast. It ain't doing for him because if you hear anything coming out of camp, he's completing like 48 of his passes. It's a little higher than that, but it's. It's low.
[00:43:39] Speaker A: And. And I think also, too, there's an athleticism and a physicality component of this. I'm interested.
[00:43:46] Speaker B: Get out of here.
[00:43:47] Speaker A: I'm interested to see Dylan Gabriel.
When live rounds start firing and you have to step up in the pocket and take hits from guys that are way bigger than you. Like, what kind of durability do you have? What kind of resilience do you have to get up off the field after you've been laid out for the 15th time behind the backup offensive lineman?
[00:44:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:06] Speaker C: Is he going to have the same composure as Shador? You know, I was so impressed with him stepping up in the pocket.
[00:44:11] Speaker B: I just don't see it happening.
[00:44:12] Speaker C: He's shifting right, shifting left. Just those small movements just to keep. Give yourself. Even when they made a big deal about the running back, who picked up that guy coming up the middle? I think it was on the touch. Touchdown pass. But he, you know, stepped right, let his running back do his thing, and then hit his receiver. You know, it's like, well, that's stuff you can't teach.
[00:44:29] Speaker B: Like, it just right.
[00:44:30] Speaker A: And that's the instinct level. Right. And that's, you know, that was. What was so impressive to me was he was moving in the pocket, but his feet always looked calm.
[00:44:38] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:44:39] Speaker A: They were quiet.
[00:44:40] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:44:41] Speaker A: Which is to your point. Like, you can't teach that. That is you try.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: That is a little bit better at it. But some guys just have that.
[00:44:48] Speaker A: That is are you an athlete athlete or not? And, and that at least he is. I think it's funny that Shador gets a lot of flack for like not being mobile enough. And I know he took a lot of sacks in college. Sex somebody sex. Sack, analytics.
He took a lot of sacks. But I think his Ovid's align wasn't great.
[00:45:07] Speaker B: It was like the worst in the in college football. And like, statistically, it was legitimately the worst in college football.
[00:45:12] Speaker A: Pffs. Pfs.
[00:45:14] Speaker B: Statistically. Statistics.
[00:45:16] Speaker A: So much analytics early.
So but, but like to me watching him, he has plenty of athleticism to escape the pocket to make defenders miss in the backfield. And if he has to take off and run with it, he can. It's not like he's slow. Like, they act like this guy is Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco. I have no faith to run around and get any. I like Joe Flacco, but like, he's a stationary pocket passer.
[00:45:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: Shedeur has athleticism. He's not Lamar Jackson.
That's fair. But he's not unathletic.
[00:45:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So I, I guess with the Browns quarterback. So just where we're at right now. This is before preseason week two. Kenny, what's the depth chart at the end of training camp, including who might not be on the team.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: What do I want the depth charts?
[00:46:03] Speaker B: Not. What do you want it to be. What is it going to be? Your prediction?
[00:46:08] Speaker A: Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel should do.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: Oh, it's just staying the same. We're keeping everyone.
[00:46:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:17] Speaker B: I'm gonna go.
[00:46:19] Speaker A: The Browns are just dumb enough to have four quarterbacks on their active roster on during week one.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: I'm gonna go. Flacco, Gabriel Sanders. I think Pickett will be gone Bone.
[00:46:33] Speaker C: Yeah. Flacco.
[00:46:36] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:46:37] Speaker C: I, I, I think Shador going to move up.
I'm hoping. I, I feel like there's just going to be enough.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: You put a lot of faith.
He should put a lot of faith in this coaching.
[00:46:46] Speaker C: I don't but I feel like it's going to have to happen. Like.
[00:46:49] Speaker B: Okay, so what do you got? You got to make a prediction right now. I don't know why Gabriel Pickett gone pick it. Gone. Okay. Gabriel down at the bottom even though he's our top draft pick.
[00:47:01] Speaker A: Let's, let's play and I don't know a new game. What do you want the depth chart to be.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: What do I want the depth chart to be? Especially in light of our conversations last week about like what does Joe Flacco actually get you as an organization moving forward?
As of right this moment, we haven't seen Gabriel play. Like I said, I hope he, I hope he comes out and plays well just for the brown sake if nothing else.
But at this moment I want it to be Sanders, Flacco, Gabriel, Pigon Bone.
[00:47:33] Speaker C: I kind of, I kind of want Joe to start the season and just ease Shador in throughout the season at some point. I don't know when that's going to be. I just have never seen a Browns quarterback make it through a season. So it's going to happen.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: I know at least two guys are going to play.
[00:47:48] Speaker C: Yeah. So I would like to see Flacco. Shador I think there's a lot, I mean I know quarterbacks come in and light it up. Jaden Daniels did it last year, you know, or whatever two years ago. I forget but players do it. But I like the waiting. I like to let the rookies wait and keep practicing, keep learning from the.
[00:48:06] Speaker B: Veterans it was last year. Are a fact checker by the way.
[00:48:09] Speaker C: Well, I don't have Google open.
[00:48:12] Speaker B: Great.
[00:48:12] Speaker C: I don't even know how to use AI.
[00:48:17] Speaker B: Analytics. Analytics AI Kenny, who do you want it to be?
[00:48:21] Speaker A: I'm going to go Shador.
Gabriel Flacco.
[00:48:27] Speaker B: You want Flacco to be like the last guy. You're like, you guys battle this out throughout the season and Flacco, you come.
[00:48:32] Speaker C: Get them out there. Let's see what they got.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: Purely based on the fact that like I have two rookies on this roster that I need to know what, what I'm doing with them going into next year. I don't. PFFS has them ranked as the 32nd of the 32nd team of 32 teams.
[00:48:47] Speaker B: Analytics in terms of talent.
[00:48:49] Speaker A: So I don't anticipate this team winning the super bowl this year. So if we're not winning the super bowl this year, if we don't win super bowl this year, I have to think about the future. And what I know in the future is I have two first round draft picks next year. So I have to figure out am I taking a quarterback with one or both of those draft picks and are either of these guys worthy of being my week one starter next year. So as much as I love Joe Flacco and I do think he probably wins a couple more games than those guys do, I need to know what I have in those guys. So either Shador starts a season and his lights out and he's great. And you go, hey, this is our guy, Dylan Gabriel. Still a project, but he's there if we need him. And Joe Flacco is break glass in case of emergency. We have a competent quarterback on the roster. Great. That can mentor these young guys.
[00:49:33] Speaker B: Perfect.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: And I. And you get a combination of either Shador being good all season or shoulder falls off and then I get to see Dylan Gabriel for half the season. I have to make a decision on these quarterbacks this year. I just don't have the time to do it next year. And the NBA, because I have two first round picks next year. And if I'm going to draft Arch Manning, a whole nother conversation or, you know, whoever else I need to know.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: And to your point, we have two. So really no draft position is out of reach no matter where we finish because we got two first round picks.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:50:03] Speaker B: And they're both probably going to be high.
[00:50:05] Speaker A: And if, if I need.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: They're both probably. It's us and the Jaguars.
[00:50:09] Speaker A: And if I do need to get. Use those picks to leverage to get Arch Manning at pick one, it does me no good to win more games this year.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: True.
[00:50:18] Speaker A: So if Shakur and Dylan are both bad, best case scenario is we win four games and I'm already picking top five. Versus if Joe Flacco comes in and plays eight games and he wins four and loses four and, you know, hurts his elbow and then I see Shador.
[00:50:33] Speaker B: I'll tell you what though.
[00:50:34] Speaker A: Here's.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: Here's my big hang up on this whole archbanning thing. I got. Get this out there. Arch Manning and everybody talk about tanking for Arch Manning. We're going to get Arch Manning. Look, if I love the idea of having him. We've talked about this. Love the idea of having the next generation of stock. Yeah. On our team.
If you're telling me that that's the plan, that's the overall plan, and you took two quarterbacks in this draft. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Like, seriously?
[00:51:00] Speaker A: Yeah, why not?
[00:51:01] Speaker B: How do you have a job in the NFL in the front office.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: Why not use those picks to build for Arch Manning next year?
[00:51:06] Speaker B: It's wild.
[00:51:07] Speaker A: Great question.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: All right, so that, that'll. That's enough quarterback talk.
[00:51:11] Speaker A: So real quick.
[00:51:12] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Breaking news. More.
[00:51:13] Speaker B: More quarterback talk.
[00:51:14] Speaker A: Adam Schefter.
Breaking news during the show.
[00:51:17] Speaker B: During our recording of the show Monday.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: The Browns post preseason depth chart at quarterback has been released.
Any guesses?
[00:51:28] Speaker B: I'm going to go Flacco pickett Gabriel Sanders.
[00:51:33] Speaker C: Yes. I second that.
[00:51:34] Speaker A: Yes. Two guys who don't. Who didn't play are still above on the depth chart post preseason game one.
[00:51:41] Speaker B: Three guys, technically.
Yeah. Joe. Joe we knew was gonna be a hit.
[00:51:46] Speaker A: Deserve it.
[00:51:48] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just.
[00:51:50] Speaker A: Just in case you were under the illusion that this is somehow a competition, you're wrong. It's not. Is there any part of anyone that does think it might be cool if the son of a Hall of Famer, like, became our.
[00:52:01] Speaker C: Right.
[00:52:02] Speaker A: Our starting quarterback and was good?
[00:52:04] Speaker C: You know, every celebrity on the face of the planet thinks that would be cool.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: I've noticed.
[00:52:09] Speaker C: I've noticed. They're all. They're all. They're all touching on it.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: Like, I don't know. I think it might be. That might be cool. It might be a cool story. Like.
[00:52:15] Speaker B: Well, again, like. Like, talk about, like, making the Brown. You know, we've had all these bad things specifically to Sean Watson happen to the. The Browns organization the last few years. Like, imagine if Shador went the other way and blew up and was, like, awesome.
[00:52:28] Speaker A: Like, so pop the next Tom Brady.
[00:52:30] Speaker C: Like, right.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: Even if he wasn't. Even if he wasn't that. If he was just, like, a quarterback. Yeah, like that.
[00:52:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:36] Speaker B: And he was playing in Cleveland and brought some swag and some, like, attitude to the Brown.
[00:52:41] Speaker A: Would be a good thing for the Browns fan base to, like, bring in new friends.
[00:52:45] Speaker B: Imagine. Okay, so we're 20, 25 right now. You know what that means if Shador Sanders pans out in 2029 when we move. Where?
To the Dome.
Shador Sanders is going into a second contract, and he's the face of the franchise. Like, I don't know.
[00:53:00] Speaker A: And I'm not saying you should make a quarterback decision based on that. I'm just thinking. I'm just saying. Just thinking out loud. Like, I. I kind of think it.
[00:53:05] Speaker B: Like, instead of just shutting the door without even thinking about it, like, everyone.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: Gets turned off by the hype train and. And prime and the whole Dion, like, the. Everything that comes with it. I kind of think it would be neat.
[00:53:16] Speaker B: Well, here's the deal.
[00:53:18] Speaker C: It's been good so far. It hasn't been this circus that everybody predicted that it was going to be true.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: And I said this even back when Baker was here. And I. You know, I'm a Baker. I was a Baker critic.
[00:53:27] Speaker A: You're a Baker hater. You're still a Baker hater.
[00:53:30] Speaker B: But Baker Man Mayfield.
I actually didn't mind him. I thought it was great when he talked trash and everything. Else when he was dong.
[00:53:37] Speaker A: Flopping on the sidelines.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: Yeah, it was great until. Until he kept doing it when he was playing poorly. And then it's. It's like, that's when it gets kind of annoying.
[00:53:45] Speaker A: But I can't change his stripes, bruh.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, something like that.
But I'm just saying, like. Like, I don't mind.
[00:53:56] Speaker A: Probably not a good sound bite.
Did you say?
[00:54:02] Speaker B: Yeah, he did.
That's the Mensa guy over here.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: Big brain.
[00:54:08] Speaker B: But yeah, I just. Like, I don't. I don't mind. I don't mind when they're all talking trash and like, they have like the. The just like the entourage that came in with the. With the boombox and everything. Like, I don't really care. Like, as long as you back it up when you're on the field. Do whatever you want. Yeah, like, that's fine.
[00:54:24] Speaker A: Steaming Willie beaming out there.
[00:54:25] Speaker B: Right? Like, I don't. Whatever.
But I don't know. Just.
It's annoying that it seems preordained. Like, it's just. We took this guy in the third round, so he's going to be ahead on the depth chart no matter what, because that was the point of the draft where we wanted to outsmart everybody, even though we could have got Gabriel in the sixth round.
[00:54:42] Speaker C: I mean, sorry. They protect themselves for their decisions. They'll drag it out as long as they possibly can.
[00:54:49] Speaker B: It's going to be two years in a row. Last year it was a Sean Watson. This year it's going to be Dylan Gabriel, and it's going to be the downfall of the entire organization. I mean, wouldn't it. It's like the 500 downfall in Brown's organization history.
[00:55:00] Speaker A: Wouldn't it at least be logical and sensible and defensible to say we're going to move Shador to number three on the depth chart because he.
[00:55:09] Speaker B: Dylan, has to earn it.
[00:55:11] Speaker A: Well, and Dylan, we'll see what happens when he plays. Is that not at least a depth chart?
[00:55:15] Speaker B: Gabriel, Dylan. We call him Shador because, like, I. I don't. I think because we call him Shador. I've been calling him Dylan, but usually I go by players last name. So I don't really know what to do in this situation.
[00:55:24] Speaker A: Fair. Let's start calling Flack Joseph.
[00:55:27] Speaker B: Joseph.
Joseph.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: The old man Joseph.
[00:55:29] Speaker B: What's his middle initial? Joseph C. Flacco?
[00:55:33] Speaker A: I don't know.
But.
But would it not at least be a defensible position to say we're going to move this guy up the depth shirt because he Played well and he played hurt and didn't play. And we'll see what happens when they both play and we can. This, this is a fluid.
[00:55:49] Speaker B: Regardless of what they're actually showing on with these depth charts. What do they say? Well, you got to earn it. You got to earn your spot. Like, okay, then what? Make him earn it. Like, even if in your head you're like, dylan Gabriel in my head is still ahead on the depth chart. Like, I would put Shador Sanders ahead of him because I'm like, you got to earn it back.
[00:56:04] Speaker A: Now, is there a possibility that this is 4D chess? Chess?
[00:56:08] Speaker B: No.
[00:56:08] Speaker A: A, like a small possibility.
[00:56:10] Speaker B: There's a possibility that it's Stefanski and Barry 40 chest. And by that, I mean, it's not going to work.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: Just. Just in the sense that we keep Shador really hungry. By. No, by keeping him down. Down.
[00:56:22] Speaker B: No.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: That they're always going to get the best of him.
[00:56:24] Speaker B: No.
[00:56:24] Speaker A: Like, maybe that's how they feel. Like they have to manage his personality and his Persona and his ego is by keeping him number four, they know that he's going to be pushing every day in practice.
[00:56:34] Speaker B: I really don't think so. Because at number four, he's still acting like a number one quarterback.
[00:56:39] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:56:40] Speaker B: Like the way he talks and the way he approaches the game. And I'm not saying that in a negative at all, the way he approaches the game, the way he carries himself, the way he. He deals with teammates, whatever the case may be, he approaches everything like a QB one. So you keeping him at qb, do.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: I think you can see it in the way he interacts with teammates on the sideline? Right, right. I mean, during the game. And granted he was dressed so he was playing, but like, those. Those interactions seemed positive. It seemed like he was a guy that was trying to lead other men. It seemed like he was, you know, trying to play the role of quarterback and leader versus you looked at, like, the shots that we got of poor Dylan Gabriel sitting there looking like a deer in headlights.
[00:57:16] Speaker B: The worst day of Sean Watson.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: I mean, those guys looked like they were not even.
[00:57:20] Speaker B: Should even have been there. Also. Let me just talk about this for a second. DeSean Watson is on the sideline.
Scrap of Brown's gear on him, and he's wearing a DW forehead like you. You don't think you could support your.
[00:57:30] Speaker A: Team a little bit if you're Dylan Gabriel, there's a call into question your own personality to be like, that's the guy that you decided to sit, like.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: On Top of deshaun Watson.
[00:57:39] Speaker A: I would have just followed Joe Flacco around with a small puppy.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: Right.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: Like, wherever Joe went, I just. When he was doing his interview with the DD Kiko Ball, I would have been like, let me stand right behind you.
[00:57:49] Speaker B: Like, at this point, the Sean Watson on top of being a quarterback, you have literally no redeeming qualities. Like. Like you're out there promoting your own.
Nobody buys anyways because you're a piece of des.
[00:58:00] Speaker A: Like, you want to. You want to let me teach you how to ruin this offense?
[00:58:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's.
[00:58:03] Speaker A: It's just I can run it worse than anyone.
[00:58:06] Speaker B: Like, I don't know.
Desean Watson needs to be studied on how not to carry yourself as a human being. Like, it's just terrible.
[00:58:14] Speaker A: Dylan, you want to make a tick Tock?
[00:58:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
Oh, God, I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, for the preview this week against the Eagles, it's the preseason. I don't give a. About this game other than catching some of the come of some. The of the backups and seeing who's going to make the squad.
So, I mean, with that being said, we're not going to get in depth with this.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: Yeah, no, look, here's the thing. The quarterbacks are still a huge.
[00:58:39] Speaker B: That's probably the biggest viewing point.
[00:58:41] Speaker A: What I am excited about this week is you're playing against the defending super bowl champions.
And that doesn't mean that you're going to see their starters really for any of the time or anything like that.
[00:58:54] Speaker B: But even if we get one series.
[00:58:56] Speaker A: But what I do can. Can tell you is that if you've just won the super bowl, it takes depth to win the super bowl. So your second 22 is pretty good. And the guys that come after that are probably still pretty good because you don't win a Super bowl without having that kind of depth. So I think the challenge and the level of competition will be far different and far better than what you played last week on a very middling Carolina Panthers team.
[00:59:24] Speaker B: So that is.
You're being really nice.
[00:59:29] Speaker A: They got Canalis there. He's. He seems like he's gonna get them going in the right direction.
[00:59:33] Speaker B: Perennial bottom five finishers. But.
[00:59:35] Speaker A: But yeah, I just think the. The level of competition is going to be much better this week, even if you're not playing the starters.
So I'm interested to see like what a Shador does this week against better competition. How does Dylan Gabriel hold up? You know, I. And, and. And the other position battles are important too. Like, I Think there's a lot of interesting things going on right now at the wide receiver position. So to see them play against better defensive players, backs and some of these running backs, to see, you know, who's going to fill the Kon Judkin's hole, like, you know, who's going to step up and be that kind of second or third guy in the rotation. So there's, there's a lot to look forward to. I mean, are we going to break it all down right now?
[01:00:11] Speaker B: No. But that's the way you put it is probably a better way than what I put it saying I don't give a about it because I, I do.
[01:00:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:18] Speaker B: I mean, I'm.
[01:00:18] Speaker A: I'm a little more thoughtful than you.
[01:00:19] Speaker B: You understand what I'm saying? Big brain.
[01:00:22] Speaker A: It's fine.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Them Lions with their stripes.
Yeah. I mean, I just, I do care about the preseason games. I just, I'm not going to spend all this time breaking it down because we know what we're watching. We're trying to figure out who the depth pieces on our team are going to be.
[01:00:37] Speaker A: It doesn't matter who won or lost.
Speaking of that, sorry, go real quick just to go back to the quarterback conversation and put a bow on this.
We talked a lot today about what we liked from Shador.
I took what I didn't like any of his post game interviews.
I didn't think that he won the press conference, so to speak. I thought he came off a little, a little childish, like a little immature, kind of.
Not, not like the leader and the player that I watched play the game. It, it seemed like a disconnect to me. I think he was trying to play the role of, I want to be humble. I'll give myself a C. Like he knows what he's supposed to say. I did just didn't like. For a guy that grew up in.
[01:01:25] Speaker B: Disingenuine, for a guy that. I don't know if that's right.
[01:01:28] Speaker A: For a guy that's been surrounded by handlers and people telling him how to act in front of the media his whole life. I didn't think he was exceedingly good at it.
[01:01:37] Speaker B: I think he just has a big personality. And so to your point, I think he is coached on what to say.
I just thought, I don't think that's in his nature to say those things.
[01:01:47] Speaker A: I just thought he was going to be better at it because I looked, I was like, this guy's been in front of a camera since he was years old.
[01:01:53] Speaker B: I just think it's like, he just has. He. He does. He has. He has such a big personality that it's hard for him to force himself to say those things that he's supposed to say.
[01:02:02] Speaker A: Well, yeah, because I think he was feeling. He was probably feeling himself, which is fine. Right. Like, he had a good night, but. I know. But he's. But he knows he's not allowed to say that. He knows he has to rein it in and say, you know, hey, I got a lot to improve on. So I think he was trying to balance that. And to me, it seemed very disingenuous.
[01:02:19] Speaker B: The. The one. I was right. I had the right word. The. The one dis.
[01:02:24] Speaker A: Disingenuous.
[01:02:27] Speaker B: Comment that he made that I thought was. Was. Was actually legitimate. Like, it was him. Was when he said, sorry, Pops, I didn't do everything I was supposed to do.
Fair. I think that was like, he was being serious. Like, he knows what the expectations of, like, Dion are of him and what Dion probably knows he can do versus what he actually did.
[01:02:44] Speaker A: I think that's an interesting dynamic that gets overlooked in this whole conversation. When Dylan Gabriel goes home, that's time off. Off and away from football. That's time.
[01:02:52] Speaker B: Wish your door goes home.
[01:02:54] Speaker A: Goes home. You know that there's a tape of your last game and Dion's going legitimately. What are you doing here?
[01:03:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Your entire life is football. Like, you don't really unplug.
[01:03:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I do think that's interesting. But anyway, I just. That was. I just. We talked. We talked a lot about the good.
[01:03:11] Speaker B: I just.
[01:03:12] Speaker A: To me, it does seem like he has steps to take.
[01:03:14] Speaker B: Well, and again, this goes back to. We. We're not anointing the guy yet. We're not saying he's the guy yet.
Promising.
[01:03:19] Speaker A: When you're the leader of the franchise, when you're expected to on behalf of the team and to do all those. I mean, the whole gamesmanship.
[01:03:25] Speaker B: I will say this. What I can confidently say at this point is I. I don't think he was a.
Was it fifth round or sixth rounder. I think he probably should have been taken before that.
[01:03:38] Speaker A: I think that has to be very clear at this point.
[01:03:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's the only thing, especially considering.
[01:03:44] Speaker A: Some of the guys that went ahead of him.
[01:03:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyways, Gabriel, real quick, back to the Eagles this week.
Kenny, player to watch.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: I mean, I just gave you my spiel in this game.
[01:03:55] Speaker B: All right? Dylan Gabriel is your player to watch. You have a player to watch this.
[01:03:58] Speaker C: I have Mason Graham. How many double teams is he gonna get?
[01:04:06] Speaker B: This is going well.
[01:04:07] Speaker C: Preseason football is so boring.
[01:04:09] Speaker B: I don't know. It is. It is.
[01:04:13] Speaker C: No, it is. The quarterback stuff is the most exciting part.
[01:04:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, to be fair, I was gonna throw out whatever quarterback you guys didn't take. So I was pro Sanders because you guys are probably going. Gabriel. So.
[01:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:04:23] Speaker C: I mean, is the other rookie running back playing? He didn't play the Samson.
[01:04:26] Speaker B: He did.
[01:04:27] Speaker C: Oh, he did.
[01:04:27] Speaker A: Okay. He didn't play very much.
[01:04:29] Speaker B: No, he played like two series.
[01:04:30] Speaker A: I mean, I think they're expecting a lot out of him this year. I think they are betting the farm that he's going to be.
[01:04:35] Speaker B: That he's going to be at this point. He better be because. Yeah.
Although.
[01:04:40] Speaker A: Although it is still there.
[01:04:42] Speaker B: We could talk about this a little bit.
The.
For Judd can. The trial got delayed until after the season. So most people around the league think that the deal for Judkins will be done before the season starts and he will most probably in the next like week or so that they'll get his deal done, whatever that means. I don't know what the contract will look like and that he'll play his.
[01:05:03] Speaker C: He's plugging. He's plug and play immediately. I feel like when he's back.
[01:05:07] Speaker B: Well, and they say that he's gonna play his rookie season because that's the only thing the Browns can do. If they don't play him and they don't sign him, they relinquish their rights to him. So if this thing. And I not saying.
I'm not saying that it is going to blow over, but if it were to blow over, they lose their rights to Judkins.
[01:05:24] Speaker C: So even. Even if he did get suspended, it would be next season.
[01:05:26] Speaker B: Next season.
[01:05:27] Speaker C: Okay.
[01:05:28] Speaker B: Most likely is what's going to happen. I mean, unless the NFL does finishes their investigation, which we all know how slow that stuff always goes. But if they finish their investigation this year and they start their suspension this year, but it probably won't happen that way because they're to going to want to know what kind of legal repercussions he's going to face before they hand down a suspension.
[01:05:48] Speaker A: I don't know what's going to happen, but I've also read conflicting reports that they could wait until the entire season's.
[01:05:57] Speaker B: Over because they lose his rights completely then.
[01:06:00] Speaker A: Well, but.
[01:06:01] Speaker B: But it's the Browns, man. Deshaun Watson's on our team they're going to sign.
[01:06:04] Speaker A: It ends up that he gets convicted of something or I mean, you know, do you. Do you just cut Bait with that anyways.
[01:06:13] Speaker B: Well, from a business standpoint, you still. That's what they're still going to cut him if he were to be convicted of something.
[01:06:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Again, I don't know what's going to happen. I'm just saying I've seen reports on both of those things that. That the right to a speedy trial piece was potentially going to lead then to delays even further with the contractor, him not playing at all this season, so.
[01:06:33] Speaker B: We'll see. I'm sure we'll have a resolution solution to that in the next week and a half, so.
[01:06:37] Speaker A: Well, we'll know before the season.
[01:06:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's for sure.
[01:06:39] Speaker A: Whether they're gonna sign or not.
[01:06:41] Speaker B: Real quick, let's take a trip around the NFL.
Don't really have our picture up, so. We won't be a Sounder. We will. We won't. Who knows?
[01:06:48] Speaker A: I'll put a Sounder in.
[01:06:49] Speaker B: All right.
All right. So first up, Cam little hits a 70 yarder.
Is this the NFL record?
[01:06:59] Speaker A: Better start calling him Cam. Big.
[01:07:02] Speaker B: Big.
[01:07:02] Speaker C: Big leg.
[01:07:03] Speaker A: Big leg. Good joke, Kim. Big leg.
[01:07:06] Speaker B: It's the best we got. No, we don't. We didn't say we had good writers.
[01:07:11] Speaker A: Look, I mean, that's a huge number.
I think it goes beyond most of our comprehension thinking about can, like, did we ever think we would see a 70 yarder, like, kicked?
[01:07:21] Speaker B: Bro, if you went back to like 1960 and told him one day somebody's gonna kick a 70 yard field goal, they'd have been like, what the? Like now, at least in the last few years. Years, like, we've seen plenty of 65 yarders. So. Like, true.
[01:07:34] Speaker A: But it does just seem like, I mean, it's just like, what? What?
[01:07:37] Speaker B: I mean, agreed. It's a huge number.
[01:07:39] Speaker A: Like, in 20 years where there'll be a guy kicking 80, gotta be like, are we just gonna keep kicking it for like, as people get bigger and faster and stronger? Like, will we reach that point where you can. 100 yard, you're in field goal range anywhere on the field.
[01:07:52] Speaker B: I can't wait for that day.
That'd be phenomenal to see arena football. Like, you got a 2, 2 point lead late in the game and they kick a 94 yarder to win it. Like, that would be insane.
[01:08:02] Speaker A: Two minute drive is dead.
[01:08:03] Speaker B: Just absolute insanity.
[01:08:04] Speaker A: We just, we just kick back and forth for.
[01:08:06] Speaker B: No, but I. I asked the question, is this, is this the NFL record? That's the question.
[01:08:11] Speaker A: No, it's not. It's the preseason. I will say that I do think Cam Little will kick a 70 yarder this year and that will be the new record.
[01:08:19] Speaker B: I feel like if you kick a 70 yarder in the preseason all season long. Especially because Jacksonville in their ass like every chance they get for a 70 yarder, they're like, we're getting this guy the record.
[01:08:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:08:28] Speaker B: Because at least we have something in the NFL.
[01:08:30] Speaker A: And it wasn't like he just made it. I mean, that ball.
[01:08:32] Speaker B: He was good from 76.
[01:08:33] Speaker A: That ball was.
[01:08:34] Speaker B: To your point, are we going to see somebody make an 80? That one was good from 76.
[01:08:38] Speaker A: So, I mean, that was an impressive boot. So. But no, I don't think that it is the. I mean, despite the fact that it happened and we all watched it, I don't think it counts.
[01:08:48] Speaker B: I agree. There's no pressure in the precision. So, I mean, there's kind of is. But he's the starting kicker in Jacksonville this year no matter what, so, like, there's no pressure.
[01:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Very impressive, though.
[01:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
Another story here. Ashton Genty had a. A underwhelming debut. He rushed like what, four times for negative one yard? I think it was three times. Three times for negative one yard. And. And there's some people out there legitimately speculating that he's currently on, I quote, bust alert. Guys, thoughts on this?
[01:09:16] Speaker A: I had to throw this in because I just find it.
I find it so laughable and absurd that a guy that gets three carries is on any level considered a bust.
In the preseason, he had three carries.
[01:09:36] Speaker B: Three.
[01:09:37] Speaker A: Three opportunities. And that's not even taking into consideration the fact that the Raiders blow and their offensive line is not good and they don't really have a quarterback. I guess they have Geno this year.
[01:09:47] Speaker C: But they have missed assignments. In all three of those plays, he.
[01:09:51] Speaker A: Was being tackled in the backfield. And it's like the expectation of these guys. People are like, barry Sanders never got tackled for negative yards. I'm like, barry Sanders, for his career, probably had a thousand yards of negative plays. Like he just had 13,000 better ones like that. That's a thing that happens if there are. If there's penetration on the play. You can't always get away.
[01:10:13] Speaker B: Like, the running back can't control that.
[01:10:15] Speaker A: Three. Three carries. I mean, you know, call me when this guy has 300 and see like where they all for negative yards, then I guess he's a bust. But it's just.
[01:10:23] Speaker B: So is that what it takes to be a bust?
[01:10:25] Speaker A: Yeah. You get 300 carries and they're all backwards. Like, that's the only way you're a bus.
Yeah.
[01:10:30] Speaker B: Oh, dang. I mean, so low. Low.
[01:10:32] Speaker A: That's what happened to Peyton Hill.
[01:10:33] Speaker C: Trent Richardson.
[01:10:35] Speaker A: Trent Richardson.
[01:10:36] Speaker B: Trent Richardson is still my, my favorite thing to talk about because he is considered by many experts as the worst.
[01:10:43] Speaker A: That's your favorite thing to talk about?
[01:10:45] Speaker B: Well, I just think it's so crazy that he went from his rookie year, he broke the Browns rushing record, the Browns rookie rushing record, to the very next year. We, after the next year was over, we got rid of him and he was considered the worst running back of all time.
[01:10:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:11:00] Speaker B: And I mean, I don't, I don't necessarily disagree. That guy, that guy in the backfield danced so much like he could not make a decision to save his life.
But it's just wild to think about.
[01:11:10] Speaker A: It's hard to imagine though, going from a record breaking year to being the worst in one off season.
[01:11:15] Speaker B: True.
And then next up here, some scary injuries around the league, including one that ended the game. Lions safety Maurice Norris was taken off the field by ambulance. He was injured at on the first play of the fourth quarter, ran from his, his safety position, came up to tackle the running back. It was Nathan Carter, rookie out of Michigan State. Head snap back hard.
And I mean it, it was just, if you've seen the video and, and don't go look it up. That's not what I'm saying. But there's, there, it's out there of him convulsing on the field for like over a minute. And it's just scary to see the entire team's obviously both of them down on a knee rattled because watching this player go through this is, is tough.
But the, the end of the game, it wasn't going to at first, though. The NFL wanted them to keep playing. Dan Campbell actually came out today and said, they asked him about it. He said, look, I didn't want to talk about this today, but I'll just read the quote. So Raheem and I agreed, that's Raheem Morris, coach of the Falcons. Raheem and I agreed that that was what we were going to do. We talked to Sean Hockey and Sean Hockey let us know, hey, the game, game's still on. And we communicated with each other. We told Sean we'll be taking knees until the end of the game. And so it took the coaches of the team actually kind of overriding the NFL and saying, well, we're not playing the rest of the game. We're just going to take knees. Before the NFL actually came in from New York to say, this is A preseason game. First of all, like, like, potentially any game, but especially like, this is a preseason game.
Why are we finishing this game when all the players just went through this? Like, who. It's a preseason game.
[01:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess first, it's a sobering reminder of the fact that it's a violent game.
The picture of both teams kind of huddled up as they were attempting to run down the clock has kind of become almost an iconic image already making the viral rounds on social media in not the way that you want an image to be viral, you know, certainly for the NFL and from a publicity standpoint.
But, yeah, I mean, I agree with the outcome here. I mean, to be able to just shut down the game, I think the coaches did the right thing and say, like, yeah, it's a preseason. What are we doing here?
You know, it's. It's again, just a sobering reminder of like, as much as we love the game and we love the violent components of it and the big hits and the collisions that, you know, at the end of the day, these are still humans and it's. It's devastating to watch when those things do happen. So, you know, hopefully everybody's okay and, you know, there won't be any long term or lasting effects there. But.
But definitely a scary scene.
[01:14:03] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, I just. The whole. The NFL not stopping the, like two years ago. I think it was two years ago, two or three years ago, they had two preseason games stop because of hits. Like, why was, why was this even a question? I just, Just don't understand.
[01:14:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's like, I. I don't know. Like from a revenue standpoint, like, the NFL sold tickets to the preseason, have TV contracts, but, like, it was the fourth quarter anyway. Like, what are we, what are we doing? No, no one even good is playing anymore.
[01:14:31] Speaker B: So I don't know. But yeah, to your point, hopefully everybody's okay and bounces back as quickly as possible.
But with that, that'll do it for the Burning river rundown. Uh, next up here, I just want to remind everybody that we do have a David Ajoku autograph jersey giveaway going on.
I will be posting a lot more about that on social media this week. I've been behind on my social media posts, but you'll be seeing something.
Here's the jersey in case you didn't see it.
It's got a. Got obviously autographed by David Ajoku. We got certifications in there so that. That's all authenticated and everything.
We'll put that in A frame kind of like this one up here. When we send that out to you, if you're listening to me, you have no idea what I'm talking about, but.
[01:15:09] Speaker A: You know, it looks nice.
[01:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Signed David Ajoku jersey.
And how do.
[01:15:15] Speaker A: Is pretty good.
[01:15:16] Speaker B: Yeah. How do entered for that? Kenny?
[01:15:18] Speaker A: How do we get entered for that? Well, I can tell you for one that you need to be a subscriber on YouTube.
[01:15:23] Speaker B: That's it.
[01:15:24] Speaker A: That's it.
[01:15:24] Speaker B: That's all you got to do.
[01:15:25] Speaker A: Just one.
[01:15:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna. You know, we, we said this last week. I'll say it again in my post that I. That I put out there this week. I'll give you some ways that you can earn bonus entries to win the jersey. But bottom line is the, you know, this is a. An exclusive giveaway for our YouTube subscribers. So be subscribed. Subscribed on YouTube and you are entered to win this jersey.
[01:15:49] Speaker A: That's it. Subscribe.
[01:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
In case you were wondering. Bur the handle for all of our social media is at Burning over Sportscast. Unless you're on X, it's at Burning over pod.
Now, Kenny, that'll take us to. Can we talk about this?
[01:16:02] Speaker A: Yeah, we. We talk about this for a second.
[01:16:06] Speaker B: Do you want a sounder if.
[01:16:07] Speaker A: No. Yeah, so can we talk about this? I.
[01:16:15] Speaker B: That we talk about. I want to talk about it.
[01:16:18] Speaker A: Which is.
I texted you guys, I already know where this is going after the game.
Watching NFL Network and watching post game interviews and things. And I keep subtitles on. On my TV at all times.
[01:16:37] Speaker B: Fun fact, before we get into this research thing just came out that like most millennials use subtitles and. And it like blew everyone's mind. And I'm like, I use sub.
[01:16:47] Speaker A: I don't really use.
[01:16:48] Speaker C: I do too.
[01:16:49] Speaker B: You use subtitles. Everybody uses subtitles.
[01:16:51] Speaker A: I love it. I don't really know why I started doing it.
[01:16:53] Speaker B: I started doing it because the cinematography on shows is so good now. So like when you get like a real dramatic moment, sometimes it gets really quiet or whatever and you can't hear shit well.
[01:17:04] Speaker A: And that's true. And that's I think where it started for me. But it's also, I think like stream of consciousness, like because I'll have my phone out during stuff.
[01:17:11] Speaker B: That's a big one for me.
[01:17:12] Speaker A: So like I can kind of go back and forth between my phone and a show I'm watching. Like I'm trying to catch a press conference.
[01:17:17] Speaker B: You hear something, you're like, what did he just say there after?
[01:17:20] Speaker A: Yeah, so I can kind of. It kind of gives me two opportunities to make sure I'm catching.
[01:17:23] Speaker B: Is that multitasking Millennial. Just like we got as many screens as possible, now we got one more thing to read.
[01:17:29] Speaker A: And so I just happened to notice, you know, when they were talking about Shador's performance, that whoever the transcriber is for NFL Network really is having a hard time analytics. And I don't know if it was an AI bot that's doing it or.
[01:17:44] Speaker B: If there's a physical transcriber analytics.
[01:17:47] Speaker A: But whoever's doing it insists that Shadur's name is actually Cheddar.
[01:17:55] Speaker B: Like, the cheese.
[01:17:56] Speaker A: Like, it feels like a pretty big mess. NFL, you're the licensed network. Which was. Which ESPN just purchased, by the way.
I mean, you should feel good about that purchase espn, because they think Shador's name is Cheddar. Listen, that's the level of quality you're.
[01:18:13] Speaker B: Getting to back this up.
[01:18:16] Speaker A: We.
[01:18:16] Speaker B: We, you know, at. In the fourth wall here, we keep a game on over here when we're recording or Sports center or whatever. Yeah, it's. It's over here so we can watch what's happening. We know. You know, just different things are coming out. Any breaking news, anything like that. And they had. They were talking about the Browns as we were starting the show today. And again, NFL Network, it literally said cheddar at least 14 times.
[01:18:39] Speaker A: So much Cheddar, which. Which I actually don't hate. Like, if Shador does end up becoming the big cheese.
[01:18:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he's the big cheese.
[01:18:47] Speaker A: But I just thought it was a. Just an egre.
Like, transcription error that they keep calling this poor guy Cheddar.
[01:18:54] Speaker B: The best part is his name is Shador. How does that sound? Like Cheddar.
[01:19:00] Speaker C: Cheddar.
[01:19:02] Speaker B: Like, do you ever. Have you ever once heard them talk about Shador Sanders? I mean, like, did they just say Cheddar Sanders? Cheddar.
[01:19:10] Speaker A: Cheddar Sanders.
[01:19:11] Speaker B: No, absolutely.
[01:19:13] Speaker A: I mean, like, I wonder, like, does Dion watch it at home? And is he like, Cheddar again?
Come on, guys.
[01:19:18] Speaker B: Does Dion talk?
Why does he sell, like, Gilbert Godfrey?
[01:19:23] Speaker A: Just really frustrated.
I mean, everybody knows Gilbert was also known as Prime Time.
[01:19:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:32] Speaker A: They're kindred spirits.
[01:19:35] Speaker B: Just household facts. Sh. Her again.
Speaking of Prime Time, there's another guy with a phenomenal beard.
Like, have you.
[01:19:45] Speaker A: Sure.
[01:19:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:47] Speaker A: It's not as good as a bone man's.
[01:19:48] Speaker B: No, Bone Man's number one. Then Kevin Stefanski. Then Prime Time.
[01:19:52] Speaker A: Then Prime Time.
[01:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that's probably that.
[01:19:54] Speaker A: Order So I guess all this to say, like, we probably need merch with a big piece of cheese on it.
[01:19:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's my next thing out. So just real quick, we'll talk about some of the merch right now. One of the new ones that's up there right now, Kenny will be able to model it here soon, is we do have the quarterbacks room shirt that we put out there. T shirt that we put out there.
[01:20:12] Speaker A: That's dope.
[01:20:12] Speaker B: So what's that say? Scrap that for us.
[01:20:14] Speaker A: So we got the list. Right?
[01:20:16] Speaker B: Right.
[01:20:16] Speaker A: Obviously, the Browns have four quarterbacks in their room, so we've got them all listed out there for you. Not necessarily in order of the depth chart, or maybe it is. It is the current, incidentally.
[01:20:25] Speaker B: Joe and Kenny and Dylan and Shador.
[01:20:30] Speaker A: So just in case you were a Browns fan and you want to let other NFL football fans know how much of a mess your quarterback room is.
[01:20:38] Speaker B: Now you can wear it now you can.
[01:20:40] Speaker A: On your chest.
[01:20:40] Speaker B: Courtesy of Burning River Sportscast.
[01:20:41] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:20:42] Speaker B: Next up, we also have a new shirt out there. It's just. It's pretty simple. This one. Number 144. Number 144 could be the future. That's for anybody that's a big believer in chador. Just grab that shirt and. And wear that and let them know.
[01:20:55] Speaker A: I think 144 could become like a subline at Burning River Sportscast, because I think it. It. Like there's some meaning there.
[01:21:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:21:02] Speaker A: Right. Like, it's. It's the. I'm confident in myself and no one else around me is. But then I take, you know, the bull by the horns and make the most of my opportunities. Like, it's like kind of like a life credo. Like 144. Like, I could see that becoming like a. A sub line.
[01:21:16] Speaker B: I mean, assuming. Assuming pans out.
[01:21:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Becomes legendary success like he calls himself. Yeah.
What. What. What is this?
[01:21:25] Speaker C: I would like to know that, too.
[01:21:27] Speaker B: You guys don't know. That's why. That's why the time thing is a big deal with Shador.
[01:21:30] Speaker C: He likes watches.
[01:21:31] Speaker A: I love watches.
[01:21:32] Speaker B: He always wore a watch in. In his. Like a. Like a watch that none of us can afford in his college football game for yourself. You can't afford it.
[01:21:40] Speaker A: I have a lot.
[01:21:40] Speaker C: So you're allowed to wear that in college, but not in the NFL.
[01:21:44] Speaker B: Well, I don't really know the rules behind it, but that was.
[01:21:46] Speaker A: Don't know. Rule 3.
[01:21:49] Speaker B: That was the whole thing was he. He had this, like. Like, okay, like, multi thousand, $100,000 watch. Whatever it was. And he's just like, that was his. That was a celebration. Is. Is the first time he did it. It was kind of like a. Like, fu. You can't afford. Like, that was the whole thing is, he's like, you can't. Yeah.
[01:22:06] Speaker C: I gotta say, I don't like it. I like the. I like, like that a lot less than I thought it was.
[01:22:09] Speaker A: I thought it was more like, it's my time.
[01:22:12] Speaker B: No, it's not.
[01:22:12] Speaker A: Like, it's like, look how.
[01:22:14] Speaker C: Look how wealthy I am, guys.
[01:22:15] Speaker A: It's Shador time.
[01:22:16] Speaker C: I'm not a fan of this.
[01:22:17] Speaker B: I mean, as far as I understand, he literally pointed to his. His, like, $100,000 watch.
[01:22:23] Speaker A: It was just a gratuitous display of wealth.
[01:22:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong out there in the podcast ethers, but that's. That's what I thought it was.
[01:22:32] Speaker A: I mean, I. I mean, I am.
[01:22:34] Speaker B: Listen, I don't want to date myself, but I am a millennial, like, on the.
You know, I might be way off on this.
[01:22:41] Speaker A: I would never date you.
[01:22:42] Speaker B: The Internet escapes me sometimes. So.
[01:22:46] Speaker A: I. It's. It's. I mean, it's a celebration that seems to have caught on with a lot of teammates. So for it to just be purely a gratuitous display of wealth seems odd. I like. And I dislike having a quarterback with a, like, catchphrase or like a, Like a iconic celebration because it's fun when they do it, not fun when they get sacked and the other team does it.
[01:23:08] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. Ye. Defensive.
[01:23:11] Speaker A: Every time there's a play, you know, the defensive guys are like, yeah, watch.
[01:23:16] Speaker B: So I guess. Okay, I'll correct myself already.
[01:23:18] Speaker A: We've Googled it.
[01:23:19] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I went ahead and our fact checker wasn't going to do anything, so I did it myself.
And it turns out that that's what the. The. The interwebs warped it into, was like a gratuitous display of wealth.
He. His explanation for it is to indicate that he's on time or making plays on schedule.
[01:23:40] Speaker A: Yeah, to me, that makes sense.
[01:23:41] Speaker B: Okay.
Yeah, so that's. That's straight from. From him. Like, that's what. That was his explanation of. Of the celebration. So. Yeah, I'm. I'm with you guys. I'm more for it now. I was kind of just doing it as, like, an obnoxious thing, but I'm for it now.
[01:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I like it.
[01:23:59] Speaker B: Bad job. Internet giving me bad information at first. Good job correcting me, though.
[01:24:04] Speaker A: AI. It's a hell of a drug.
[01:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:24:07] Speaker A: So anyway, I guess we're going to have a shirt with big cheese on it.
[01:24:10] Speaker B: Yeah. We're getting rid of this. We're now we're not doing the watch, we're just doing big cheese with number 12 on the back.
[01:24:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe a big piece of cheese with number the number 144 on it.
[01:24:21] Speaker B: Oh yeah, maybe that could be cool.
Some variation of that. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. And then finally the 2025 Burning river sportscast special is the shirt of the season. Yeah. The shirt of the the season is that one we we went back to the well with.
[01:24:38] Speaker A: With homage to our cast.
[01:24:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Naming naming everybody on the cast or in the room this year includes Big John Hughes.
[01:24:46] Speaker A: Big John Hughes.
[01:24:47] Speaker B: So this year's shirt is a just right on it says bone and thunder and jams and Big John.
[01:24:54] Speaker A: Cuz we love Big John.
[01:24:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So.
[01:24:56] Speaker A: So check out our merch.
[01:24:57] Speaker B: Those get our merch.
[01:24:58] Speaker A: It's dope.
[01:24:59] Speaker B: Yep.
But yeah yeah.
[01:25:02] Speaker A: So we're. We're about done.
But you got more for us. I did want to take some time to issue a public apology.
[01:25:13] Speaker B: To who?
[01:25:15] Speaker A: I recently returned from a cruise and I don't know if you all been been on a cruise before. Actually I do cuz we all went on the.
[01:25:26] Speaker B: We all went on a cruise fan cruise. You know we've been there.
[01:25:28] Speaker A: Brown's fan cruise.
You know, on a cruise the restroom accommodations are limited.
[01:25:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
He was back to back with John Hughes.
[01:25:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Really all over the ship.
[01:25:45] Speaker B: Right.
[01:25:45] Speaker C: I mean we peed in the same bathroom.
[01:25:48] Speaker A: Especially to do a number two.
It's not like.
It's not like the greatest.
[01:25:55] Speaker B: Did you smoke someone out, bro?
[01:25:56] Speaker A: Experience. Experience.
[01:25:57] Speaker B: This isn't good.
[01:25:58] Speaker A: Right? I mean the stalls are kind of oddly shaped. They're very small. The toilets are.
[01:26:02] Speaker B: The arsonist are small.
[01:26:04] Speaker A: Especially in your room. It's very cramped spaces.
So yeah, on a cruise ship I often am looking for big man approved bathrooms. A big man approved bathroom. Yeah, just something with like a regular sized stall just to go do my business.
[01:26:20] Speaker B: Just again just to further the point. Big man approved bathroom on a cruise are like they're smaller than normal size in real life and, and they're really.
[01:26:28] Speaker A: At a premium because there's not like a. A plethora of public restrooms. I mean there's a few like here and there by the. By the restaurant but even those are often you know, occupied by folks like me looking for a nice other big.
[01:26:46] Speaker B: Men needing big men approved potties.
[01:26:49] Speaker A: Nice Dress. Restroom.
So the first night of the cruise, I'm, I'm walking out trying to find, you know, I'm still getting to know the ship. I'm trying to find myself a big man approved bathroom.
And I'm like in the middle of the ship, pretty far from my room.
And I already have to do a number two.
But it hits me at that point that I really have to, to do a number one.
And so I'm contemplating, do I go back to my room and just suck it up and just go to the bathroom in the tiny cramp space or.
I really need to find a bathroom soon because it's going to come out of both ends.
[01:27:33] Speaker B: It's a audio take that I didn't think we'd have tonight.
[01:27:38] Speaker A: And I finally find near the kids club a restroom that those poor kids is, is a, is a brilliant find.
It's. It's late at night and the kids club is just getting ready to let out and I find this great bathroom.
[01:28:00] Speaker B: So that's the time you choose that.
[01:28:03] Speaker A: That has, you know, not like a normal steto. It's a one stall toilet and then there's two urinals. And the stall itself is a separate room, top to bottom with concrete stone. There's no holes in the door. The only real window to the outside world is right above the door. Gym. There's about a half inch, you know, just to let some air in.
But otherwise like completely secluded, which is great.
[01:28:27] Speaker B: This is really descriptive. Is there a point to this story?
[01:28:29] Speaker A: There is a point to the story.
So I, I'm like jackpot. And I'm. And I'm at the end of my rope. Like I really gotta pee.
[01:28:38] Speaker B: These are the things adult men get excited for.
[01:28:40] Speaker A: There was a point in this search that I was like, I'm going to just have to like hide in a corner and like, like pull my pant leg out and just kind of like pee in the floor. Because I, I wasn't, I wasn't gonna make it.
So I really have to go. By the time I find this bathroom, I find this jackpot bathroom and I get in and like it's coming, like it's coming down the pike. Like I, I really got to go.
There's a scene in Jim Carrey movie, me, myself and Irene where he makes love to, I want to say Reese Witherspoon or someone. All night long.
[01:29:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:29:12] Speaker A: And he gets up and kind of peeing all over Renee Zellweger. Renee Zellweger?
[01:29:17] Speaker B: That's the one.
[01:29:18] Speaker A: Are you familiar with the scene.
[01:29:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, it just goes sideways.
[01:29:20] Speaker A: He's grabbing the shower curtain, like, to try to block it, deflect it back into the toilet. Yeah, I'm like, midway through drop trowel, underwear, shorts, kind of just all over. I can't hold it anymore. I'm at the end of my rope.
I just start going. I'm like, I hope I got it out.
I didn't get it out.
It didn't. I couldn't make it.
I reached the end of my ability to contain myself.
Oh, man, it's everywhere, man. It's all over.
And, like, once I start going, like, I can't stop.
So I'm just.
[01:30:01] Speaker B: Don't stop.
[01:30:01] Speaker A: So I'm just going. And I just accepted the point that I was in. In my life, which is you're a grown man peeing yourself in a public bathroom, and it's everywhere.
[01:30:12] Speaker C: Now everybody knows it's.
[01:30:13] Speaker A: It's all over.
The thing I have going for me is I'm in a private stall. No one can see. They can't even see my feet.
But I finished peeing, and I realized not only am I finished peeing, now I really have to go number two.
[01:30:27] Speaker B: And there's a puddle. You can't pull your pants down.
[01:30:29] Speaker A: I'm standing in a puddle in my flip flops. It is all over the floor.
And I'm like, what am I gonna do now? It's not like there's a lot of places to, like, hang up my clothes.
And so I'm, like, trying to mop up the floor with pieces of toilet paper. And you're on a ship, remember? So it's not like you can just go get some, you know, paper towel and mop up the floor like a normal human. You got to do it with the toilet tissue. Because you can't just put anything down a marine toilet. You'll clog the thing up and kill it, and then it'll back up, and you'll be on the poop cruise.
And I'm like, I can't be that guy that causes the poop cruise on my first night.
[01:31:07] Speaker B: Sounds like you were on the poop cruise the entire time.
[01:31:09] Speaker A: So here I am. Adult man, underwear soaked shorts, soaked it in human urine. Standing in a puddle of human urine, trying to just dab up with individual pieces of paper towel all of the human urine on the floor.
And during this time, the kids club is letting out, so some kid that really had to go is standing outside the door. This poor kid going, hey, oh, my gosh, are you almost done?
Are you almost done? And, like, I can't see him, but I can hear from his voice. He's probably between the ages of six and eight, a little guy.
[01:31:48] Speaker B: What a dick you are.
[01:31:49] Speaker A: And I'm in the only toilet anywhere around, and he's knocking on the door. And I'm like, I'm gonna be a minute, because I was mopping up human urine from the floor.
So anyway, I guess my public apology goes out to whoever cleaned up that mess and the child. It was totally accidental. I didn't mean to, but I did make a mess and did a poor job cleaning it up.
[01:32:11] Speaker B: Apologize to that child and the.
[01:32:13] Speaker A: The child. And so then I finished my business. I go number two. And it was a big number two.
[01:32:19] Speaker B: Thanks for that.
[01:32:19] Speaker A: You know, I've been on this diet, you know, I've been eating pretty clean and. And like for the first time of.
[01:32:24] Speaker B: Our show where you could just tune.
[01:32:25] Speaker A: Out the first time in a long time, like, I had like, you know, two entrees for dinner, two pieces of cheesecake, like a bunch of stuff I probably wasn't used to eating in relative recent history.
So it was a mess.
And then I finish up, I clean up, and now I have to walk back all the way to the other. The other end of my ship in soaking wet underwear, soaking wet pants covered in urine. I'm just like, I hope I don't get on the elevator with anyone that's gonna smell me.
[01:32:53] Speaker B: Why does this dude smell like piss?
[01:32:54] Speaker A: And then I get into the room and my wife's asleep, the baby's in bed. And so I just take my wet clothes off covered in urine and just throw them in, like, the closet that we weren't using. And I was like, I guess I'll see you at the end of the trip.
And I just.
[01:33:10] Speaker B: So this is the first time your wife's hearing this story?
[01:33:12] Speaker A: Yeah, she doesn't know. I didn't tell her.
[01:33:13] Speaker B: I was.
[01:33:14] Speaker A: I was real embarrassed. You're a grown man. You pissed yourself. But this shouldn't happen.
Like, I'm beyond the age where that's a normal thing to have happen to you.
[01:33:23] Speaker B: I am flabbergasted right now.
Between my story last week and your story this week, nobody like this. We've just completely. Yeah, it's a bizarre start to this season.
[01:33:32] Speaker A: So I just wanted to at least all it as a human and just make that apology to. To Carnival Cruise Lines in general. I guess that's the least you can. Someone had to clean that up and. And I tried my best.
[01:33:43] Speaker B: I Still feel worse for the kid.
[01:33:45] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm sure this is going to reach the ears that need to hear it.
[01:33:49] Speaker B: Absolutely. That kid's going to find our podcast like four years be like, this guy was talking about me.
[01:33:54] Speaker A: So that'll do it for us.
[01:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Kenny, what can we expect next week?
[01:33:59] Speaker A: We'll be back here to talk about how the preseason is progressing, recap the week's game and the final preseason in game preview. Discussing any roster cuts, Browns news, all the good stuff, and hopefully no one pees their pants.
[01:34:11] Speaker B: If you ever do that again, you're off the show.
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Good job today, boys.
Up until that, that urine story, everything was going really well.
[01:34:44] Speaker A: We really did it.
[01:34:45] Speaker B: He really took us off the track.
[01:34:47] Speaker C: My favorite part is the kidnapping.
[01:34:48] Speaker B: Mr.
How long are you gonna be? I'm gonna be a while.
Oh, man. Bone thoughts?
[01:34:58] Speaker C: Ah, Time for me to sign off.
[01:35:00] Speaker B: Bone.
[01:35:00] Speaker C: Bone dash, Bone appetite. Bon appetit.
[01:35:04] Speaker A: Is that a new sign off this year? I like Bone dash, Bone appetite.
[01:35:09] Speaker C: Good night. Good night, fellas.
[01:35:12] Speaker A: Don't pee on the floor. And. And don't be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[01:35:16] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
[01:35:20] Speaker A: Burning River. Sportscast. Burning river.
[01:35:26] Speaker B: It's probably burning when you were peeing.
[01:35:28] Speaker A: It was burning before I was peeing. That. That's how you knew you were in trouble. I was really in a bad way.
[01:35:33] Speaker B: Rough day?
[01:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:35:34] Speaker C: That's not great. That's a terrible family.
[01:35:36] Speaker A: It was really bad.
[01:35:38] Speaker B: He's a big kid, has to pee, so he goes in the potty.
[01:35:42] Speaker A: I went in my panties.
[01:35:44] Speaker B: P A N T I S. P.
[01:35:47] Speaker A: A M T I S. P A M T I S.
He went in his panties.
[01:35:54] Speaker B: Good night. Good night.
[01:35:55] Speaker A: One.
[01:35:57] Speaker C: Good night, Auror.
[01:36:00] Speaker B: Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt.
[01:36:13] Speaker A: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:36:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Didn't think we'd get in there.
[01:36:20] Speaker A: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[01:36:22] Speaker B: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hel hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the burning river sports cat. Motorboat. You play the motorboat?
You motorboat. Son of a.
[01:36:38] Speaker A: You old seal. Are you. You know what I was thinking during that interview?
[01:36:41] Speaker B: What? What were you think? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[01:36:45] Speaker A: Wow.
[01:36:46] Speaker B: My name is Utred son of Utrid, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[01:36:53] Speaker A: Women's Guide to To Anal sex. And it was the second edition.
[01:36:57] Speaker C: Who makes the weather outside is weather.
[01:37:01] Speaker B: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh my God. My ass is full of.
[01:37:08] Speaker A: Everywhere.
[01:37:09] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:37:10] Speaker A: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[01:37:12] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:37:12] Speaker B: Oh no.
[01:37:14] Speaker A: We suck again.
[01:37:15] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[01:37:19] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[01:37:19] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[01:37:20] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:37:21] Speaker B: Touchdown number one. What do you mean funny?
[01:37:23] Speaker A: Funny how?
[01:37:24] Speaker B: How am I funny? It's going down. I'm yelling.
[01:37:27] Speaker A: Timber.
Down, cats.
[01:37:30] Speaker B: Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like, like. Like the meat pod slow roasted.
The leads are weak. Leads are weak.
Leads are weak.
[01:37:44] Speaker A: You're weak. That we should send a team of oil core drillers. Allah Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water trap 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released will cover the entirety of everything on the planet less than a mile high.
[01:37:53] Speaker B: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. Oh, Lord. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[01:38:04] Speaker A: Wow.
[01:38:04] Speaker B: But damn.
[01:38:05] Speaker A: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[01:38:10] Speaker B: You know why, mister? Because you drove a Hyundai. To get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[01:38:26] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[01:38:27] Speaker B: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[01:38:29] Speaker A: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[01:38:31] Speaker B: I desperately want to make love to cheese.
[01:38:33] Speaker A: We need cheese girl. Now who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[01:38:41] Speaker B: Probably me.
[01:38:42] Speaker A: You making it for the fat people?
[01:38:45] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[01:38:47] Speaker A: We're a whole race, basically.
[01:38:50] Speaker B: No way. You're just straight. Just finger banging their salad.
[01:38:55] Speaker C: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[01:39:01] Speaker A: You like to see almost naked.
[01:39:02] Speaker B: That's cool, man. Whatever.
[01:39:03] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no.
[01:39:05] Speaker B: Most people, like, they're driving along and they're like, in between meals, I'm a little hungry. I'm gonna have a granola bar. And it's like, I need a cheeseburger.
Are you not entertained?
[01:39:14] Speaker A: Are.
Is this not why you were here?
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