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[00:01:11] Speaker B: It's time Time for the Burning river sportscast. 9 years, 137 games, 416 tackles, 23 forced fumbles, 126 and a half sacks. One of nine players in NFL history to win defensive player of the year twice. Eight consecutive seasons with double digit sacks and a seven time All Pro and the NFL's all time leader in sacks per game. A legend in his own right. Not just one of the best to ever put on the brown and orange, but very likely one of the best of all time. The very definition of a Hall of Famer. A true once in a generation talent, an unbelievable specimen and by nearly all accounts a tremendous human. Yes, big hype always comes with big expectations and in nine seasons he displayed excellence to a degree most of us will never again see in a single lifetime. His presence and heart were felt in the community and on the field. It's hard to live up to being the number one overall pick, but Myles Garrett set the standard. As we eulogize Miles, important questions remain about the direction of this football team, the front office and this fan base. Was this the right move at the right time? Or just another blunder in an ever growing list of short sighted, wildly ignorant and embarrassingly stupid decisions that have synonymous with the Cleveland Browns? We'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: He really does. Yeah.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I was baptized in a Jacuzzi.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: Deshaun Watson.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Great. Here we go.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Talked to the media for the first time in a few years this week.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: Not in a few weeks or a few months. The first time in a few years.
[00:02:52] Speaker C: And I'm just thinking, Deshawn, everybody in
[00:02:56] Speaker A: Cleveland hates you in you know, the. The the the the. What do you ever.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: It's on prime video. Yeah, it's on prime video.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:04] Speaker B: It's on prime video.
[00:03:04] Speaker C: Prime.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: I don't know what the fuck's happening right now.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: Crying It's a prime matchup.
[00:03:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:11] Speaker C: And if he doesn't believe that. Then I'm convinced he's a psycho because.
[00:03:17] Speaker A: So I'd be lying if I wasn't.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: You want to see deshaun Watson?
[00:03:20] Speaker A: I'd be lying.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: You want to see desean Watson?
[00:03:22] Speaker A: I'd be.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: You want him to play? You want desean Watson? QB one week one.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: Listen, Tucker Sudden
[00:03:29] Speaker B: now I know you're high.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: No, no. Kenny's just out here watching sacks every week.
That's why he tunes into football all the time. He just loves to see all the sacks.
[00:03:38] Speaker C: Chador made the Pro bowl last year.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: Come on, Pro Bowls don't mean. Sorry. Guys like you root for the name on the front of the jersey, not for the the name on the back. And it's. It's more true now than broke your
[00:03:51] Speaker A: heart again when they shipped out Charlie Fr.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Welcome in to a very special off of the Burning River Sportscast presented by the fine folks at tap in media. I'm Kenny Thunder sitting across the desk. He's the complete opposite of Miles Garrett. All those cool things I said about how exceptional Miles is, he's none of he's short, he's ugly, he's pale and he's mediocre to below average in every imaginable way. He is red hot. Ronnie jams so pale.
So pale and on the board today. His femur isn't the biggest bone in his body. He's the big bone man.
[00:04:25] Speaker A: I think that's the second time he's used that one.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: Probably say hi, bone.
[00:04:28] Speaker C: Oh, hello.
[00:04:31] Speaker B: Can I just say, damn, it feels good to be back. We are back. Don't get me wrong.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: I mean back for good.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: I'm enjoying our off season last year. I mean, really, most years it's a struggle grind to get through the season. But we did promise that when big news breaks, we will respond. We're here no matter when or where it happens. In fact, that's kind of our calling card, right? We don't break news, we just talk about it after it happens.
That maybe should. Yeah, yeah, should maybe be our motto
[00:04:58] Speaker A: for season five, the unofficial podcast of brownsbackers everywhere. And we don't just break news or we don't break news, we just talk about it.
[00:05:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that would be our season five motto. After news breaks, we will respond.
And of course, there's no bigger news about our Cleveland Browns, maybe since 1999, than the trading of Miles Garrett. So here we are, showing up in the off season to give the people what they want.
Truthfully, probably nobody wants this, but we're going to give it to them anyway.
That might actually be a better motto for season five.
[00:05:29] Speaker A: Nobody wants this, but we're gonna give it to you.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: If you don't want it, we're gonna give it to you anyway.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: We're starting to sound a lot like Nevermind.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: I knew where you were going. Yeah, back to red Hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest dope they ever heard on a podcast? The Number One Ring Football podcast and all Good pods. The official podcast of dozens of Cleveland Brownsbackers around the world and the unofficial podcast of Cleveland Brownsbackers everywhere.
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We're going to revamp the shop. I think this season we're going to get rid of some old stuff, put some new stuff in there.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah, we need to do that.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
But today on the show, this is what you can look forward to. The Browns brief. That's pretty much the whole show.
We're gonna. We're gonna review the big trade of Miles Garrett that you alluded to.
Kenny, I think you've got something you'd like to talk about at some point during the show.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: I do.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: And, oh, I'm sure there's gonna be so much more. And so when you're feeling down about the Browns, just remember the night is always darkest before the dawn.
Unless you're the Cleveland Browns defying the odds and living in the perpetual void that is space. No air, no life, no direction, no purpose.
Just temporarily existing. For better or for worse.
Now let's get things started with the Burning river news story of the week.
All right, this week's Burning over news story of the week. The inaugural Cleveland for Christ event was held recently, bringing together local Christian ministries and several Cleveland Browns players for an outdoor worship gathering.
This event was held at the Berea Municipal Pool near the Browns training facility. In Berea, led by Brown's team chaplain, Nobles C. Darby, along with cornerback Tyson Campbell and safety Daniel Thomas. In partnership with the Metro Cleveland fca, the community gathering featured worship, worship music, public testimonies, and pray, along with a number of baptisms, including Carson Schwezinger and Raheem Sanders from the Cleveland Browns. Some notable attendees.
A lot of Browns players and staff showed up to support this.
Shador Sanders was there, Mason Graham was there, Taylor Green was there, Chris Edmonds, Zion Washington, and a number of others. So just, just a really cool event that they, that the players put on up there in Cleveland.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: The Righteous Brownstones.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
All right. Yeah.
[00:08:34] Speaker B: Was Joel Osteen there?
[00:08:36] Speaker A: No, he wasn't. He didn't make it.
[00:08:38] Speaker B: It's not a party of Joel doesn't show.
[00:08:39] Speaker C: This was not a prosperity gospel event.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: I don't even know what that means.
[00:08:44] Speaker A: Can you define that for us?
[00:08:46] Speaker C: Prosperity gospel is like Joel Osteen, who, who basically says, you follow Christ, you do the right things, good things will happen to you. And that's. That's not what the Bible preaches says.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: All right, so enlighten us.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Well, Bible study, right now. I want to know. I want to know.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: I'm putting you right on the spot.
[00:09:04] Speaker C: The Bible never says if you follow Christ, your life will be easy. It actually says, if you follow Christ, your life will be possibly very hard and persecuted, and you will have trouble for believing in his name. So the Joel Olsteen idea of the prosperity gospel is a false gospel.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: But Bone, Joel makes me feel good about myself.
[00:09:27] Speaker C: Yes, he does. He does. He's very happy and, and, and, and prosperous. He. He is very prosperous, actually.
[00:09:33] Speaker B: Prosperous.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: So something weird about that.
[00:09:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
He may be a believer. He may be a follower. I. I don't know. I don't know his true heart, but he makes a lot of money and he preaches the prosperity gospel. And that's not something that the Bible
[00:09:48] Speaker A: actually, I like when bonus Bone is criticizing. He's still very polite about it. He's like, I don't know his true heart. I'm not going to claim that I
[00:09:55] Speaker B: know this man, but that' is the definition.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: Is it real?
[00:10:00] Speaker C: Yeah. He tends to cherry pick certain verses.
[00:10:02] Speaker A: He sees everything through the clearest lenses that I've ever seen in my life.
[00:10:06] Speaker B: Like, Bone just knows he's got 2020 vision. I do not.
[00:10:09] Speaker A: Yeah, no.
[00:10:10] Speaker C: But anyways, I want to comment on this, the baptism event. I think that's. That's pretty cool.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: That's where I was starting with this. I Wanted you to comment. But then we got, well, you know,
[00:10:18] Speaker C: figures who have a plat.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: Guys.
[00:10:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Certain figures who have a platform and they, and they put themselves out there and, and, and they made it, they made this public. At least the Browns decided to. I don't know if they did, but yeah. Cool event baptism. Baptisms are very cool.
[00:10:37] Speaker A: What it got a ton of.
It did get a ton of attention from, like, media, which was really cool to see because a lot of times these types of stories are swept under the rug just simply because people are like, do we wait into this or no? Or like, what do we do? Well, of course, it's a baptism. You wait into it completely.
[00:10:52] Speaker C: Well, I, I guess where I was
[00:10:53] Speaker A: going, that was a water joke.
[00:10:55] Speaker C: Carson Schlesinger was, was the defensive player of the year in the NFL, which
[00:11:01] Speaker A: out of Defensive Rookie of the year.
[00:11:02] Speaker C: Rookie of the year. Sorry.
He's one out of the fact checker out of the entire world. Right. There's only one defensive rookie of the year in the NFL in the, in the whole world.
[00:11:10] Speaker B: True.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: Last time I checked.
[00:11:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Which I think is kind of cool. NFL is pretty big deal. So I, I, I thought it was neat that it was a new story and, and that he got baptized.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: When the Browns traded for Tyson Campbell, they didn't know that the real reason they brought him here was to save the.
[00:11:25] Speaker A: Cleveland.
[00:11:26] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: All of Cleveland. It was Cleveland for Christ.
[00:11:28] Speaker B: Funny.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: Not just the Browns.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: The Lord works in mysterious ways.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: He really does. Yeah.
[00:11:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: Baptized in a Jacuzzi. I don't know if that counts.
[00:11:35] Speaker C: Nice. That definitely counts. Definitely counts.
[00:11:38] Speaker A: I think that's a different kind of baptism.
[00:11:40] Speaker B: It wasn't even, it wasn't even in the state. I don't say, I don't know. Like, this is, that is across, across borders. Is that a problem?
[00:11:46] Speaker A: I think it's like reciprocal.
If you're, if you're Christian over there, it counts here.
[00:11:51] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: I just want to make sure, you
[00:11:53] Speaker A: know, I guess I don't know the rules.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: Maybe I'll have to go next year.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
But no. Great, Great event by the Browns. Fantastic to see this going on in Cleveland and, and it really. A team building event. Like, you don't hear a lot of team building things out of Cleveland. It's pretty dysfunctional.
[00:12:08] Speaker B: They went golfing recently.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: Yeah, they did.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Baptisms in golfing.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: What more could bring guys together?
[00:12:18] Speaker B: Joel Olsteen could bring us all together.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: I'm confident he'd definitely make you feel good about that.
One more thing before we get to The Browns, though, let me remind everybody. Call it bringing reports.
Never get all of your hot takes on the hot take outline. We've got a we. Well, we got a new number last week. It's kind of got frauded. So.
Yeah, it's an old number now, but make sure you're calling the right number.
[00:12:40] Speaker B: You can call all year long.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's open all year long.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: You're welcome to call. Yeah, I'll listen to it and then we'll play you later.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, but the number to call for your hot takes, to leave your hot takes on a hot take
[00:12:50] Speaker B: outlines is 3302-2780-8133-0227-808-13302, 27-8081-3302-2278-1330, 081.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: Call now. Operators?
[00:13:00] Speaker C: No one.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: There's no operators, but I'm here.
[00:13:03] Speaker A: But we'll play. We'll play it on air and we'll talk about it.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: I will get your message.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: And with that, let's go ahead and get into the Browns brief.
No, it can't take your job. Not yet, anyway.
[00:13:26] Speaker C: I'm irreplaceable at this point.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: You're like Beyonce.
[00:13:29] Speaker C: Yeah, you're irreplaceable.
To the left. To the left.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: Put bone in a box.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: To the left.
[00:13:37] Speaker C: I can't go that much further.
[00:13:40] Speaker B: The sound booth is only so big.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: All right, guys, obviously we've been on break, so there's. There's a decent amount to talk talk about, but the main thing is we're here for the trade, so we'll get to that as quickly as possible.
Just quick recap of some of the things that have gone on this offseason. Uh, the schedule was just released, uh, few weeks ago now.
[00:13:57] Speaker B: Anything scheduled was just released a few weeks ago.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: Does anything stick out on the schedule for you guys? I mean, obviously we have the game in France this year, right? So I don't think they're.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: They're going to France.
[00:14:09] Speaker C: They're in France.
[00:14:10] Speaker A: I thought they were.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: I thought they were. Talked about it, and then I thought they were retracted.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: You guys talk. I'll find out.
[00:14:15] Speaker C: They passed us.
[00:14:17] Speaker B: What I will say sticks out about this schedule is they're not playing in France. Yeah, I didn't think so.
[00:14:24] Speaker C: We. We have Thursday night football.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: We know that the Brown have the. I think this. It's the weakest strength of schedule from the previous year, which is good.
And they travel, I think, the second fewest amount of air miles because they don't have to go to France, which
[00:14:40] Speaker A: is a big deal in the NFL. They don't talk about it a lot, but it's a big deal.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: I mean, I think it's, it's easy to over extend like the importance of that and be. Because there's good teams that will travel far and there's bad teams that will travel short. So. But it's an advantage, right? It's a, it's. It's a, it's an on paper advantage early in the season to go. Hey, things are lining up. If this team were any good at all, they have a lot of things working in their favor also by kind of dead smack in the middle of the season.
[00:15:08] Speaker A: Perfect.
[00:15:09] Speaker B: Which is good because I think you kind of always hate that early buy and then sometimes you even hate the. The late buy because you're kind of, you know, trying to gel and peak at that time and you have to take some time off. So middle of the season, get everybody some rest. Like on paper, this schedule plays really well. If the Browns are any good.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:27] Speaker C: Which.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: And I don't know, the easiest part of their schedule looks like. Well, I guess the whole thing's fairly easy looking at it now, but.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: Well, just even the first six weeks.
[00:15:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: Panthers, Steelers, Jets, Ravens, like, if you knew nothing else about the NFL outside of like these, some of these teams aren't very good. Like, this is a three and three start. Right. I mean, Carolina and the jets certainly. And then between Jacksonville and Pittsburgh, who. Who probably shouldn't be very good again. Like one of those games is when
[00:15:56] Speaker A: they made the playoffs last year.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: They were the worst playoff team of all time, but they made the playoffs.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: I mean, if you play decent football, that's an easy three.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: They don't have Mike Tomlin to get them to the playoffs every year now though, so.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I don't have very high expectations for them this year.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: No, I don't either. And you go even two. Two games further, Tennessee and the Steelers again, so.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: And the Saints follow up with that. And then like the early part of this schedule lines up really well for the Browns, if they are any good now. That's a big if.
[00:16:25] Speaker A: Plus you still got games down the stretch of the Raiders. Yeah, Raiders, Bengals, Giants, the Giants, the Falcons, even. Like the Falcons are. Have Kevin Stevenski. They're gonna be awful.
[00:16:35] Speaker B: Well, and even the Colts late in the season. Right. Like, you know, what's their quarterback situation gonna be?
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Look, we're gonna do schedule games.
[00:16:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:16:42] Speaker A: We're not doing at some Point, probably during the preseason, we're going to do schedule.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: I think all we can say about the schedule right now is like, this is a favorable schedule.
[00:16:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: It should be a.
A, an advantage for the Browns.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: That doesn't mean they're going to win all these games, but it should be an advantage.
[00:16:55] Speaker C: There's.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: It's very possible the Browns could be just as bad as last year. So 100%.
[00:17:00] Speaker C: I would like to add, it's a favorable schedule for the traveling Browns fan. I mean, you. You got away games in Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, New Orleans, New York, New York again, I don't know. Tennessee, Nashville.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: This is the year that the North Jersey Brownsbackers are talking about it. Don't we play two games in the same stadium? Is that this year?
[00:17:21] Speaker C: It's got to be right? New York and the New York and New York Giants and the jets playing the same thing. They're both away.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:27] Speaker B: I think I like that bone. I mean, you're either traveling where it's warm and sunny.
[00:17:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: In Florida. Or you're close by. Really. I mean, Nashville, New York. I mean, these are. This is a good.
[00:17:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Nashville is a destination of its own, so. And it's still early enough where it's warm and mild temperatures.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: So maybe we'll go to the Nashville game.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: Nashville game. Yeah, maybe we'll do that.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Let's think about that.
[00:17:48] Speaker C: I think it's the last year in that stadium.
[00:17:50] Speaker A: True. Ah, yeah.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: Bye. Bye, Nissan.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: I like this. I like where we're going here.
[00:17:56] Speaker B: We're going to Nashville.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: The other thing that stuck out to me was the NFL expects us to be trash because we got one primetime game, which is a Thursday night game against the Steelers early in the season. And I think that's, like, nobody knows who's going to be good early in the season, so let's just get this done and over with. The Browns are going to be bad, but it may be a good game early in the season.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Correction.
We have two prime time games. The preseason.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: That doesn't count.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: Against the Patriots.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: That doesn't count.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: No way.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: That doesn't count. I know. It's the dress rehearsal.
[00:18:27] Speaker B: Dress rehearsal game.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah. That doesn't count.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: And Thursday Night Football. It counts.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: Thursday Night Football counts. But if. If it goes as Thursday Night Football has gone for the last two years, it's gonna be the worst game of all time.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: It's on prime video. Yeah, it's on prime video.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: It's on prime video.
[00:18:41] Speaker C: Prime.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: I don't know what the fuck's happening right now.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: It's a prime matchup.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Anyways, next up here, Joel Batonio officially retired this week.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: Happy trails.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: Happy trails. Joe Batonio. We kind of all knew this was coming, I think, but I don't. I think he was the only one that didn't know he was going to retire this year.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Like, it didn't make a lot of sense for him to come back.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: No.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: Right.
This team's not probably going to contend. I think especially at the point that Miles was.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: I'm hopeful that we contend strictly on the fact that our schedule is weak.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: That's their best bet.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: But like, we still are a couple years away from being legitimately any good. So, like, I hope we're the Steelers of last year. We accidentally make the playoffs.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: Does it have to be that way? Does it. Do we have to be. That's what that's. And we haven't got to the Milestrade yet. But like, that's what I keep hearing. Right? Like, this team will contend when the dome is built. It doesn't have to be that way. I see every year teams that go from last place to first place in their division. Jacksonville, why are we just resigned to the fact that. That it's. This is just the way it has to. We have to rebuild this.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: Do we want to save that? Because that's part of the. That's part of the trade discussions, I guess. Let's save it.
[00:19:48] Speaker C: Patriots, right?
[00:19:50] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll get there, Bone. Save it.
Next up here, little coconut got his number stolen by Jared Verse.
It's kind of part of the trade, but it's.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Daddy came in on day one. He didn't even ask. He just put the jersey on. He's like, this is mine now.
[00:20:03] Speaker C: Classic story of bully wins.
[00:20:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you guys see all the AI where it showed him, like with a small jersey and it was. It was actually Dylan Gabriel's jersey on the back.
He just walked out there. He's like, this is my jersey now.
AI has done a lot of good things, a lot of bad things. This is one of the good things.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: The best thing about this off season is that it does appear that Dylan Gabriel is a non factor to any extent.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: Well, between his number being stolen and Todd Monkey coming out and saying we have two starting caliber quarterbacks and it's the two that we're giving first team reps to.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: So I just, I just thank God for that every day that like we don't even have to have that discussion. Like, I'm not happy. Thrilled about the other Discussion.
[00:20:42] Speaker A: We knew it leading into last season. We're like, why are we.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: I know, but we still had to have the conversation.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: And we had.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: I mean, we had a head coach that put that kid on the field, that started games with him.
[00:20:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:54] Speaker B: It kind of sums up the entire Kevin Stefanski experience.
[00:20:57] Speaker C: Worst coach ever.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Yeah, agreed. And I think, you know, we mentioned off air, we didn't really talk about this yet, but we're going to have a Rams watch this season and we'll talk about it when we get to the trade. But I think we also need to have a Falcons watch. Just because we've been saying for years it was Kevin Stefanski was the main problem, not necessarily the rest of the organization. I mean, there's still problems there, but we thought Kevin Stefanski was the biggest issue.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: Well, Kevin was at least the biggest issue on game day. Right. I mean, whether it's personnel decisions or clock management or just play calling, like, he was the problem.
They were in a lot of games that they could have and should have maybe won.
Not that they would have had winning seasons, but they. They lost, I mean, twice last year to teams that hadn't won a game at that point in the year.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: Well, where I'm going with this, he. He took some personnel, he took some players down with him to Atlanta. So, like, it looks like the Browns of the last few years are just in Atlanta right now. Yeah. So I'm excited to see them run 14 reverses a game, and I have the worst offense in the league, welcome
[00:21:57] Speaker B: them to come get Dylan Gabriel.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: I'm just kind of counting that as a win this season, honestly.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: But, I mean, honestly, they signed to Tua, didn't they?
[00:22:05] Speaker A: I mean, just making.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: Making a lot of good decisions down there.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: So he'll be gone by the time we play him. He'll be. He'll be out with concussions. But, yeah, Little Coconut had his number stolen by Jared Verse. There was no, technically no quarterback numbers left when he got his number stolen. And then he. They. They announced this week that he is now number six. So a couple things may signal the actual end. For instead of speculation of will he come back, will he not? It may. This may signal the end for J. Okay, so we kind of all thought that was happening anyways, but that's sad. Yeah.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's unfortunate. I think it's a slightly blasphemous for Coconut to wear six when Baker Mayfield was number six. Yeah, I mean, we, you know, ride. Ride with six and all that. Like, you know, say what you want About Baker Mayfield. He's the best quarterback in Cleveland since 1999.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: Well, the Browns won't ever want to forget about number six. So they put it on Dylan Gabriel.
[00:22:58] Speaker B: I mean, he's like, he's got a quarter.
[00:23:00] Speaker C: Quarter of a century. I like that. I think that sounds.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: I mean, he's got to be at least as far as passing leaders go, you know, pretty high up on that list.
[00:23:07] Speaker A: You know how I know Bones, a member of the media, he's just like, no, say quarter of a century. It sounds way better. Oh, yeah, he's like optics here. Like, hands down, how does this.
[00:23:17] Speaker C: The best quarterback in a quarter of a century.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Two and a half decades.
[00:23:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
But anyways, quick draft recap here. We got Spencer Fano, Casey Concepcion, denzel Boston, Emmanuel McNeil Warren Austin Barber, Parker Brailsford, Justin Jefferson, linebacker, not receiver, Joe Royer, Taylor Green, and Carson Ryan is the whole roundup for the draft. All picks have now been signed. But by all intensive purposes, I mean, I know we did our draft special. We covered round one and we were not happy at the end of round one because we were. I mean, I know me personally, my feeling was like they should have taken Denzel Boston.
Lo and behold, the next day they come out and get them anyways. And then adding Emmanuel McNeil Warren at the end of. Towards the end of round two was pretty phenomenal those first two rounds, on paper, really good.
[00:24:08] Speaker B: I mean, with Stefanski and Moneyball gone, this draft looks night and day different than the last couple of years.
At least on paper. Right. I mean, we got to see how these guys play. We don't know it's going to work
[00:24:19] Speaker A: out, but in all honesty is a crapshoot until they play because like you don't know.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: But they didn't take any unnecessary risks here.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: Right.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: You bolstered the offensive and in fact,
[00:24:26] Speaker A: they took huge value type players. So.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And you added some, some talent and some depth on defense. You added some, some depth to that tight end room with Njoku leaving. So like everything they did, I love
[00:24:36] Speaker A: the McNeil Warren pick because everybody was saying like if he would have played it like in Ohio State, he'd be getting the same kind of attention that, that why is he slipping my name? Safety Ohio State Downs down that Caleb Downs was getting out of Ohio State, but he played it Toledo. So I mean, I think to be
[00:24:56] Speaker B: a second round pick and for him to be as rated as highly as he was is incredible.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: Right.
[00:25:01] Speaker B: When you play at Toledo. Right, right.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: That's my point is like if he would have played somewhere else. Maybe he would have got more attention. But, yeah, I, yeah, I, I don't
[00:25:09] Speaker B: have any issues with this draft right now. I think this is a, this is a good draft. Now. All these guys could fail spectacularly and we probably won't know for another two or three years. But like, I don't think that there's any legitimate or rightful second guessing of this one on paper yet. I mean, maybe, maybe you do something early on different, right, to kind of move back and get the tackle. But everybody knew they needed an offensive line, so it wasn't like this was a, you know, it certainly wasn't the Ty Simpson pick right about it.
[00:25:35] Speaker A: A little bit on the draft special, but which, let's apologize for that right now. We didn't have correct lighting for that. Anybody that, that was watching the lights, don't forget to turn out. So just, just so you know, we apologize for that. We'll, we'll remedy that in our next live. Anything special that we do. So.
But we, we did talk about it during that time about.
We thought it was funny that Andrew Barry spent so much time leading up to the draft. Like, no fans have this misconception that you draft on need, you don't draft, but really you should be drafted the best player available. And then we went and drafted literally on need the entire, the entire draft. So I just thought it was funny. I was like, why, why do you say that when you just go and draft on need?
[00:26:19] Speaker B: I can't tell you why Andrew Barry does the things that he does or says the things that he says.
[00:26:23] Speaker A: I'm, I'm excited to, to see.
Excited. Might be strong. I'm curious to see how he does now that you talked about it. Moneyball and Kevin Stefanski are gone.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, obviously last year's draft worked out pretty well, except for, I mean, again, everybody's, everybody's really high on last year's draft. But you still did draft Dylan Gabriel and you drafted another quarterback that, you know to this point is a question mark. Whether you like him or hate him, he's a question mark.
So I think that one's hard to even rate as like a huge, this huge win because you may have very well wasted two picks there if nothing comes of either one of those guys. So. But this, the last two years have been an improvement.
[00:27:00] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely.
Next up here, Isaiah Bond apparently has everyone talking at minicamp. Apparently he's taking a huge step forward and it looks like he's ready to take over.
What are you doing over There.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: Oh, nothing.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: He looks like he's ready to take over a starting role and actually make an impact on the offense. So I love these stories coming out of a minicamp because it's minicamp.
Just like, what the. What does this mean?
[00:27:24] Speaker B: It's not even training camp.
[00:27:25] Speaker A: Like, do you remember. Do you remember the names of receivers coming out the last few years?
[00:27:30] Speaker C: Many.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: I mean.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: No, you don't, because they're. They didn't. It didn't matter.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: Even in the preseason, we get receivers that have great preseasons. Like, oh, man, this guy's going to be a stud and then he gets cut the next day.
[00:27:40] Speaker A: So all of it doesn't mean anything. Like, it does. It does mean something for evaluating the players, but they, they're playing against lesser competition even in minicamp. Like, these guys, they're not. It's. It's not the same.
[00:27:51] Speaker B: So, I mean, even these stories, right? Like, this is like, none of us were at minicamp. So even the stories that we get are just the reaction of, of some journalists that saw 15 minute sessions, right?
[00:28:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:03] Speaker B: So to your point, like, the crucial part of this is the evaluation that's being done by the coaching staff right now to determine who's even going to be on this.
[00:28:10] Speaker A: And do I want him to take a big step forward and be really good? Yeah, that'd be awesome. Because then that's another receiver that we have that we didn't have before.
[00:28:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Look like we've. We added talent to this wide receiver room in the off season, but it's. It's still very young and very raw.
I mean, there's no guarantee that Boston don't tell DeShawn or Concepcion or any of these guys that I. That Isaiah Bond does take a step forward this year. I mean, all these guys could also spectacularly fail along with Jerry Judy for another year. Like, you know, as much as we feel good about it right now, there's. There's still a lot of question marks in that room.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: It's funny that you pointed out the preseason, too, because anytime I hear people talk about preseason warriors and how good people are in the preseason, I just point to what's his name, the quarterback from a few years ago. Ucla.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: Dorian Thompson.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: Dtr. Dtr.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: Is.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Everybody thought he was phenomenal in the preseason. Literally the worst quarterback in NFL history.
[00:29:05] Speaker C: Terrible.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: I mean, there was a lot of calls for Luke Floria to make this team last year in. In camp, in the preseason.
He's on the depth chart right now.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: Practice squad.
[00:29:14] Speaker B: No, he's.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: I mean, he's on the. But he'll be practice squad. That's where he's gonna end up.
But anyways, desean Watson.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: Great. Here we go.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: Talked to the media for the first time in a few years this week.
[00:29:28] Speaker B: Not in a few weeks or a.
The first time in a few years.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: I think it was like for 13 minutes.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: If there's not a better illustration of just the way that that has gone downhill is the first time we've heard
[00:29:41] Speaker A: from deshaun Watson for extended length of time.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: Years outside of his Instagram.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Which he pointed to in his. In this interview. He said, make sure you guys check out my Instagram for love, baby. For love. Yeah, whatever the fuck that means.
Bone off season. You know, I know you were talking about this. What do you think of his. His interview. Interview.
[00:30:02] Speaker C: So, yeah, I was driving home from work and I. I heard the majority of it maybe like the first 10, 10 minutes of the 13.
And the biggest thing I gathered for reference, I'm not a big desean Watson fan.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: Who is?
[00:30:20] Speaker C: He was. He was. He was asked by Mary Kay, I believe asked the question. It was, you know, the last time you were on the field old Cincinnati game, you ruptured your Achilles and Bones
[00:30:30] Speaker A: really trying to remember. Look at it.
[00:30:31] Speaker C: And you were, you were booed. You were booed. And Mary Kay specifically said by a select few fans in the stadium.
[00:30:39] Speaker A: It was a lot of them.
[00:30:40] Speaker C: It was like it was everybody. Everybody, a lot of people.
And how do you feel about the desean, you know, what's your mindset?
How do you feel about some. Some fans not supporting you? You know, so DeShawn goes.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Literally, she's trying to just stir it up. She's just.
[00:30:58] Speaker C: Yeah. DeShawn goes on to say, oh, I can't control what people think and I can only do what I can do on the field.
[00:31:05] Speaker A: And I love Bones voice.
[00:31:06] Speaker C: I'll do. I'll do my best and blah, blah, blah. And I'm just thinking, DeShawn, everybody in Cleveland hates you. Like, you had the perfect opportunity right here to connect with people to say, you know what? What? I was playing like garbage. I didn't live up to the expectations. I. I sucked. Whatever it was. Even if you don't believe it, you could have said this and related to people.
[00:31:31] Speaker B: Accountability.
[00:31:32] Speaker C: Accountability, Exactly. Been like I didn't play up to the stage.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: It would have played well with the new regime with Todd Monkin and talking
[00:31:38] Speaker C: about of what was expected of me.
And if he doesn't believe that, then I'm convinced he's a psycho because he was so bad. It's just like, how do you relive that and not. Not be like, I was terrible. No reason they booed me. You know, I was.
[00:31:56] Speaker A: I was awful.
[00:31:57] Speaker C: And he just failed. He, like, had the perfect opportunity to come out the first time talking in maybe two years and just maybe relate to the fans a little bit. Because I think that's one of the biggest things with desean is everybody's just like, we don't even know who he is. He's never spoken. He's never come out. You know, Shador is all over the place in Cleveland, right? You have all these stories about him being here, there, and Desean doesn't.
[00:32:18] Speaker A: It's a little bit different. One's got $230 million.
[00:32:20] Speaker C: So it's just like, nobody can relate to this guy. Nobody is seemingly close to him. You can get close to people through the media, right? Even. Even though you don't know him. And nobody feels that with desean, he's just.
He.
He's just not there. He doesn't connect.
[00:32:35] Speaker A: Just to be clear, that was not defending desean. That was saying, like, he's got way too much money for what he does. So.
[00:32:41] Speaker C: So I just think he. He just ruined his opportunity to at least connect with the fans. Take some accountability.
[00:32:47] Speaker A: To your point, people already don't like you for. Because you're a trash human, right? So. And then on top of it, now, you don't even want to try to connect with the city and try to get people to like you. Like, you're just. You just stay away from.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: Part of playing quarterback in the NFL is the CEO role, right? You are a spokesman for the company. And a lot of what happens between now and the actual start of the season is PR based. It's branding. It's making people feel good about me. Like, motivate fans to come out and see the Browns this year. Right? And. And as a leader and a quarterback, that's. That's your charge.
So, yeah, I think it's huge missed opportunity to not own some of that and at least just admit, like, hey, expectations weren't met. Maybe there's a lot of reasons why, but at the end of the day, like, that's on me. And if I get an opportunity to play here this year, I'm committed to making it different this time around. Like, give. Give people a reason to root for you.
[00:33:45] Speaker C: Right?
[00:33:45] Speaker B: And that's not rocket science, right? Like, this isn't a guy that's been in the NFL for a year this isn't his rookie year and hasn't been in front of media before. This is a guy that should know better and should be wanting to take that opportunity and figure out, like, how can I start to repair my image? Because at some point I probably will play again.
[00:34:02] Speaker A: It's amazing to me that his PR people haven't stepped in to tell him, like, start doing this stuff and maybe because, I mean, let's be honest, we're getting to the end of this contract now. Like, it's, it's, we're getting closer and closer to the end of this thing. Like, shouldn't his people, shouldn't his team be thinking about what's next or is it too far?
[00:34:18] Speaker B: He's got $230 million.
What's next?
[00:34:21] Speaker A: They just accept that there is no next. It's just like, you're probably going to get like a small contract and that'll be the end of it.
[00:34:27] Speaker B: I mean, he can retire and ride off into the sunset and who cares?
[00:34:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll definitely be a 30 for 31 day.
[00:34:34] Speaker B: I mean, he'll, he'll probably do better on Instagram than he will in the NFL in the future.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: Yeah, probably not because his Instagram is trash.
It's just funny he does, but he always points to that. I'm like, I've, I literally have no idea what's happening on your social media. Like, why do you act like everybody's supposed to know?
[00:34:52] Speaker B: What's his D4? Love.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: For love.
[00:34:54] Speaker C: For love.
[00:34:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well, this is a good, good topic to lead into my next one here, which is desean Watson or Shador Sanders.
And by that I mean there's a legitimate QE battle right now. Todd Monkett has acknowledged it. He hasn't named a starter. He said it's unlikely that a starter will be named even after minicamp. So starter reps, team first team reps for Shador and for desean Watson.
One day it'll be heavy Shador. One day it'll be heavy desean Watson.
But guys, I mean, what, what do you think about this? Where do you, where do you think we're going to here?
[00:35:30] Speaker B: It's, it's interesting.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: It's.
[00:35:32] Speaker B: It's two things. It's refreshing that there's a legitimate quarterback competition because we had a made up one last year, right. Somehow that Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel won.
But even though door was just on
[00:35:45] Speaker A: the sideline thrown to the water boy.
But it's a competition, so at least there's that.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: Like it seems like we're having an honest conversation.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: And Dylan Gabriel's right where he should be on the sideline throwing to the
[00:35:58] Speaker C: water boy, not being talked about.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: And so I think that that part of it is good. I think it's interesting how also just how it has evolved because early in the OTAs and minicamp kind of schedule, it was being widely reported, at least by Brown's journalists, by Mary Kay, that desean really had the upper hand. Right. It was like, deshawn's looked really good.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. She wrote that he's gushing about her. It was gushing about him. It was terrible.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: And basically kind of let it be like, hey, there's probably very little chance that Desean isn't QB1 come at least the start of this season. Now, no one has been able to commit to, like, they're. They think desean's going to be successful, but a lot of people seemed on board with the idea that DeShawn was ahead in this competition and that he was the likely day one starter.
You know, around the time of the Miles Garrett trade, all of a sudden things started to change in the days leading up to that and after that, where it seems like we're hearing more about Shador getting more reps at practice with the first.
We're hearing other journalists kind of pipe in now and say, you know, he's looked really good. There's days where, you know, he looks really good and Deshaun looks kind of bad. There's also days where he kind of looks bad and Deshaun looks really good. So. Because it seems like.
It seems like it's evened out a little bit, which is. Which is good, I think, but it's just refreshing at the end of the day that we're having at least what appears to be an honest conversation.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: Did the Browns get with Mary Kay and say, don't tell everybody already that we're starting Sean Watson. You got to reel it in there.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: I think with what's. What's disappointing and dangerous and. And fraudulent about this conversation is do we really need to have an honest conversation about seeing DeSean Watson look play for the Browns ever again? Look, I. I start. Look before. Before you get into yours.
[00:37:44] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: Todd Monken has come in. New guy seems to be kind of an ass kicker, you know, blue collar, like, let's just go play football banging heads kind of guy. Right? And I think think that's endearing to
[00:37:55] Speaker A: a lot of people just out there banging heads.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: I think he's. I think he said a lot of the Right. I think he said a lot of things that fans want to hear.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
He didn't tell us we were gonna go biting ankles off or whatever.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: I think if you talk to most fans today, most fans have a. A level of comfortability with Todd Monkin, and they feel like this has a chance.
[00:38:12] Speaker A: I mean, it's more than comfortability. I fucking love.
Sorry, I had movie quotes.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: My biggest concern is, though, that the guy that is in charge of this franchise right now to be the steward team thinks DeSean Watson has a legitimate chance to be. To reclaim some sort of NFL career here. We've been down this road. We've seen this. It wasn't like desean played six games here. Like, desean's had opportunities and he's been really bad. Really, really, really, really bad.
And now he's coming off of devastating injuries, ruptured his Achilles twice. Twice.
And he hasn't played good football in. In five or six years.
[00:38:55] Speaker A: Yeah, listen, I understand everything you're saying, and I agree with all of it. However, we have been very adamant that the biggest problem with this team and the biggest problem with our quarterbacks, quite frankly, has been Kevin Stefanski, and he's not here.
So I'd be lying if I wasn't.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: You want to see deshaun Watson?
[00:39:15] Speaker A: I'd be lying.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: You want to see desean Watson?
[00:39:17] Speaker A: I'd be.
[00:39:18] Speaker B: You want him to play? You want Desean Watson? QB1, week one.
[00:39:21] Speaker A: Listen, Tucker Carlson.
I'd be lying if I wasn't at least curious.
[00:39:31] Speaker B: Well, let me tell you something to
[00:39:33] Speaker A: see how he do. I think it's going to be good. Absolutely not.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: I'm.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: I, I w. I will concede that I think it's going to be a train wreck, but I at least were. I'm curious to see if he improves, whether it's a little bit or significantly under a new coaching staff, because I think Evan Stefanski was a. He's a quarterback killer. Every quarterback that's ever played under him has played terribly and played better elsewhere.
And so to me, like, I, I just.
If desean does get the nod right out the gate and he plays, I'm not even saying he has to play good if he is even okay at the quarterback position.
I mean, we're completely validated in saying that it was Kevin Stefanski all along. Like, he wrecks quarterback.
He just wrecks them. And so I, Like I said, I, I would be com. I would be lying if I said I wasn't curious to at least see what he does if he gets an opportunity on the field.
But I'll give you this. Before you start, I'll give you this.
If that's where we're going with this, then why not just play Shador Sanders and say, what's he going to do without Kevin Stefanski? Because as a rookie, he threw for 364 yards in a game.
Most. Most yards by a rookie last season.
What could he do with a coach that isn't named Kevin, Stefan that hates him?
[00:40:50] Speaker B: Are you done with your desean love fest?
[00:40:52] Speaker A: I didn't love on him. I actually said I think he would play pretty bad, but gone.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: I'm curious to see DeSean Watson play football. Like, I'm curious to know what's behind a gnarly scab. Like, you get. Like, you cut your arm and a week later it's all infected, and you're like, I think I'm gonna pick this off. Like, what's gonna happen?
[00:41:11] Speaker A: You know, it's probably gonna be bad.
[00:41:12] Speaker B: Like, there's, like, there's enough. Enough motivation to do it, but there's. There's really no. There's really no positive outcome.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: There's blood everywhere.
I mean, that's a pretty good analogy. That's probably what's gonna happen. And you're gonna be like, oh, no, it was a bad idea. And.
[00:41:27] Speaker B: And for me, that curiosity can be settled in the preseason. I don't have a problem with desean getting reps during the preseason, but I think that is all that I need to see of DeSean, because unless he comes out in the preseason and is Tom Brady, like, there's no other reason to play him? Because to your point, you just said if desean comes out and plays moderately well, what does that mean?
What does that mean? Let's say they. Let's start. Let's say they come out of the gate 3 and 3 and 3. What are you doing? You're going to sign to Sean Watson to an extension?
[00:42:01] Speaker A: I hope not.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Then what is your plan?
Because let's say you go 500 for the season with DeSean Watson.
What is the plan? You just traded your best football player. You have said in June, we are packing in 2026. We don't care. We don't think, A, we can contend, and B, we don't care. And we are playing for the future. We are stacking assets. We're making moves, and we are not winning this year. So what sense does it make to play DeSean Watson other than to, if he is good, put yourself in a really compromising position of having to decide are going to go into another year with Deshaun Watson as our starter. We certainly don't have the draft capital now to get Arch Manning or whoever the QB one, you know, first overall pick in the draft is at the time the presumptive pick.
There's. There's no positive outcome.
I'll give you one positive outcome. Desean Watson is Tom fucking Brady. And the Browns win the super bowl this year.
[00:43:03] Speaker A: That's the only one.
[00:43:04] Speaker B: That's the only one.
[00:43:05] Speaker A: And the chances of that are minuscule.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: The chances of that are very, very, very, very small. So notwithstanding a Super bowl victory with Deshaun Watson, what positive outcome comes out of playing him?
[00:43:16] Speaker A: I mean, Jesus Christ, can you, can you imagine that we went through all this with Deshaun Watson, that he comes out and wins us a Super bowl this year? How much we can't imagine we would love and hate him all at the same time. Like I it. You're the worst, best thing that's ever
[00:43:30] Speaker C: happened to Monkin would get all the credit.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't imagine it because it's not a reality happen.
[00:43:36] Speaker A: No, listen.
Yeah, I mean, I agree with everything you're saying. And I just said if that's the case, like, then you still go with Shador Sanders because he's six years younger. You go with Shador Sanders because I think he's eight years younger.
[00:43:48] Speaker B: You go with Shador Sanders because there's two outcomes here. One, Shador Sanders is as bad as all his haters say. And you go 2 and 15 and you get the first pick in the draft.
[00:43:57] Speaker A: Great or mission accomplished.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: Shador Sanders goes 8 and 9, 9 and 8. And you go, maybe we have something future. There is no positive outcome that comes with Deshaun Watson playing and even playing good.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: Here's the last point I'll make. I'm also not naive to the fact that he signed for $230 million guaranteed.
People make that investment and they, they, they want to see it. They're drive.
[00:44:25] Speaker B: Jimmy dumped that investment last year when he came out on media day and said the Deshaun Watson move was a mistake.
[00:44:31] Speaker A: And then he reeled it back this year when he said if he plays well this year, it's a home run. So is it Jimmy? Is it? That's what he said.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: If you win the super bowl, yes, it's a home run.
If you do not win the super bowl, what is your plan means?
[00:44:44] Speaker C: Nothing.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: I'm just saying pride is a thing with these guys.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: And they're, I mean, the, the Only the only 4D chess move on the board with Deshaun Watson is that he does play exceedingly well in the first six weeks of the season. And you find somebody that's a suitor, sure, let him build up his. His capital again and then ship him off. That's the only move I can see that makes sense in any imaginable way.
Every other outcome is negative.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, but my whole point was just that I'm still curious to see if he's any.
[00:45:20] Speaker C: If.
[00:45:20] Speaker A: If it really was just all Kevin Stefanski. I mean, we get that probably, whether you play him or you play Stor Sanders or. Honestly, even if you played Dylan Gabriel, you're still probably figure it out, because
[00:45:31] Speaker B: now I know you're high.
[00:45:34] Speaker A: My point is, you think Deshaun Watson
[00:45:36] Speaker B: and Dylan Gabriel are great.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: No.
[00:45:39] Speaker B: You think they'll figure it out just because Kevin's gone?
[00:45:41] Speaker A: No.
[00:45:41] Speaker B: Neither one of these guys can play football.
[00:45:44] Speaker A: My point was to bring it back and actually sort of agree with you that Shador Sanders is the guy. Which I said in my original argument anyway.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: Damn straight.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: But I'm just saying, like, like, I'm. I'm curious, that's all.
But with that, let's go ahead and get into the trade. I mean, that's why we're here. That's why we're having this episode 48 minutes in.
[00:46:06] Speaker B: Everyone, we are going to talk about the reason we're here today.
[00:46:09] Speaker A: No, that's the wrong slot.
[00:46:11] Speaker C: Is it?
[00:46:11] Speaker A: Yeah, go back.
Yeah, this. That's not it. There you go.
[00:46:16] Speaker B: Keep it here.
[00:46:17] Speaker A: But yeah, the Miles Garrett trade, obviously it. Honestly, the days leading up to this, it started to feel inevitable. Right? Like, it started to feel like it was going to happen. I. I think, think.
[00:46:28] Speaker B: I don't think it felt inevitable until like two hours before it happened. I started getting texts and I was like, I think Miles might be moved today. And then like a half hour later.
[00:46:35] Speaker A: I don't even think it was that. I. I think it was legit, legitimately. Like, seven minutes later, you said your exact words were, the Rams look like real contenders here.
And seven minutes later you said, well, that escalated quickly.
Yeah, I mean, like, that's when it got real. But I, I think it started. There was rumblings in the weeks leading up to it. Like, you're like, been rumblings for a
[00:46:56] Speaker B: year since Miles went on the media parade for a last year.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: So let's just recap the trade. Miles Garrett traded to the Rams. What we got in return, Jared Verse. The 2020. Their 2027 first round pick, the 2028 second round pick and a 2029 third round pick.
So just right off the rip, some pros, there's massive capital influx, which I know Andrew Barry commented on that. He said this gives us cap flexibility for years to come. Well, listen, Andrew Barry, the problem I have with that is that what you failed to mention is we didn't have cap flexibility because you signed to Sean Watson $30 million guaranteed in this off season, literally weeks before this.
You and Jimmy both talked about how that was 100% your idea.
[00:47:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
Not only did the Sean move, but when Miles Garrett asked for a trade last year, he signed him to a massive deal then and made him the highest paid defensive player ever.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:50] Speaker B: So yeah, Andrew Bear gets all the
[00:47:52] Speaker A: credit, created all this cap in, you know, the, the, the, the, the. What do you ever like we have no flexibility and now all of a sudden we have it.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: He gets all this credit as a cap wizard for essentially solving his own problems over and over and over again.
[00:48:05] Speaker A: Is there a word for that? The guys that. The people that create their own problems and then solve them and then. Yeah.
[00:48:10] Speaker B: Andrew Barry, general manager of the Browns.
[00:48:12] Speaker A: Yeah, another pro here. The June 1st financial escape is kind of what it's been coined. But the, the. Basically what happened is that the fact that they after.
They did it after June 1st. So what this able to spread the dead money hit over two years.
Obviously it takes $160 million off the books.
[00:48:33] Speaker B: Genius.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: And then the fact that by the time 2030 came around the end of his contract, he was going to be 34 years old and his cap hit was going to be $50 million.
So I mean those are all positives, obviously getting that off the books.
Another positive, you're plugging in a Pro bowl successor. Jared versus solid piece. We'll get into whether it's equal or not. I mean, I think we can all agree it's probably not equal, but we'll talk about it more in a second.
And then it' like everybody's talking about this perfect timeline realignment with Jared Verse and his projection and when he's supposed to really peak. It kind of aligns with the, the window that they're talking about for the Browns to build the team cons. Obviously you're losing a generational talent and the identity of the team in Miles Garrett.
You're obviously acknowledging that you're stepping back from contention right now. You're like, no, we have no intentions, which none whatsoever in winning this season. Like that's basically what you're saying.
And then obviously, the PR and fan backlash. We're all upset about it. I mean, every media person out there, basically, except for us, because we don't. We don't break news. We react to it.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: We react to it. We talk about it.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: It went out there that day and was just like, no, no. Yeah. I mean, I think. What is it? Chef Zay, or whatever his name is, had the biggest. The biggest rant on it, which was pretty comical. But, yeah, I mean, fans don't like this.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: I think that's the first thing. Right. I mean, obviously, a lot of things to discuss here, but I think the first thing is, as a Cleveland sports fan, this was painful.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:09] Speaker B: You know, whether you. Whether you like it or you understand it, it's.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: It's.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: It's painful. And there's something to, you know, just adding to the misery of years of futility and bad decision and, you know, it just brings back memories of Jim told me leaving Cleveland, Francisco Lindor leaving Cleveland, LeBron James leaving Cleo. Cece Sabathia leaving Cleveland.
[00:50:37] Speaker A: Just call him Sabathia.
[00:50:39] Speaker B: Zabaythia Zabathia. Potato potatoes.
I mean, you know, let's talk about.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: I don't know anybody that pronounces it potato
[00:50:49] Speaker B: tomorrow.
[00:50:50] Speaker A: Motto, I guess.
[00:50:52] Speaker B: Rhymes with potato.
[00:50:53] Speaker A: Okay, go on.
[00:50:55] Speaker B: Especially with the Indians guardians, right? Like, we. We. We let pitchers win a Cy Young every year and then ship them off to the highest bidder.
[00:51:01] Speaker A: Like, it's a little different, though, because that's the reason why we're in contention.
[00:51:04] Speaker B: Understand? I mean, the good farm system.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: But I got you, so.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: But. But it still hurts. It still hurts.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: The pain of Cleveland fans is still, like, that's what you're going with.
[00:51:11] Speaker B: It still hurts to lose fan favorites, you know, regardless of anything else that comes of it.
[00:51:16] Speaker A: It's what we do here in Cleveland.
[00:51:18] Speaker B: It's kind of what we do. We kind of become known.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: We lost LeBr now, right?
[00:51:22] Speaker B: Like, it's just the. The heartache of.
Gosh, man, even when this team was
[00:51:27] Speaker A: bad, that whole big three, we lost LeBron twice. We lost Kevin Love, we lost Kyrie. Like, whatever.
[00:51:33] Speaker B: The hits just keep coming. Yeah, it's. It's just.
[00:51:36] Speaker A: We're gonna be losing Donovan Mitchell soon. We're going to be losing James Harden.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: Consistent pain.
But the thing was, like, even when the Browns were bad, like last year, you still had. Had to look forward to Miles Garrett break. If nothing else, we get to watch maybe the best defensive player in the league, maybe one of the best of all time, is on Our time. It's a. Is.
[00:52:01] Speaker C: Is on.
[00:52:01] Speaker B: On our team. It's a source of pride for the city, and it feels bad to wave goodbye to that guy.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, if nothing, that was the. The only bright spot in our season. Like, the. The. The podcast last year is like, that's all we had to talk about was every. Every week it was sack record. Like, yeah, Kenny's just out here watching sacks every week.
That's why he tunes into football all the time. He just loves to see all the sacks, big sacks. But, yeah, I mean, it was. It was phenomenal. Just sitting there. Like, we had the. The Miles Garrett record watch is basically what it was. And. And sack watch is what I said.
But, yeah, it just hurts. It really does. So, like, I. I've had people ask me lead, like, after. Afterwards, they're just like, so what do you think about the Miles Garrett trade? I'm like, you asking me as, like, a fan. Are you asking me logically, they're like, as a fan? And I'm like, well, as a fan, this is. This is terrible. Yeah. Like, this is. It really does just hurt because you're like, this is a guy that's maybe the best that's ever played his position. Position.
And I go back to even, like, Joe Thomas. Right, so Joe Thomas, best that ever played his position. Then you have Miles Garrett, best that ever played his position, arguably for both of them.
[00:53:16] Speaker B: I mean, even if they're not. Even if they're not the best.
[00:53:17] Speaker C: Right.
[00:53:17] Speaker B: They're top three in the history of the game.
[00:53:20] Speaker A: I'll even throw in Joel Petonio, who just announced his retirement, one of the top three to five ever at his position. We had all those guys, and in one year, they all overlapped, and we did nothing with it. Yeah, we had two playoff appearances, none of them under Joe Thomas, both with Miles Garrett, and one playoff win. That's what we did with it. So, yeah, two playoff appearances, one playoff win.
You've done nothing with these guys.
So just adding to the pain as a Browns fan. So as a fan, I'm. I'm pissed off. He was the. I just said it a minute ago. He's the identity of the team. Like, if nothing else, you tuned in Sundays to watch Miles Garrett and.
[00:53:59] Speaker B: And Miles was, you know, very involved in the community work that the Browns do. You know, obviously, like the Halloween every year. Like. Like, he was a. He was a fun personality.
[00:54:10] Speaker A: You know, our biggest knock on him was always. He wasn't more vocal, but. But at least as a leader. I mean, he was a leader of the team in different ways.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: He was a lead by example guy. And you know, even the things that. And we, and we've been hard on Miles a few times, right? Like with the, the speeding tickets and the car wreck and you know, those types of like just irresponsible decisions. And probably the biggest thing, as you pointed out, is the, the lack of being kind of like the team, team cheerleader. But in the grand scheme of things, none of those really matter right at the end of the day, like excellence on display every week on the field and just an incredible player to watch. So it's, it's incredibly just devastating from a fan perspective to lose a guy like that in your, from your team.
When you separate the.
[00:54:58] Speaker A: Well, that's what I was emotion from it, logically, how do I feel?
[00:55:02] Speaker B: Yeah, when you pull your heart out of it, you go, so this is
[00:55:06] Speaker A: probably the right move at the right time.
[00:55:08] Speaker B: It probably should have been done a year ago.
[00:55:09] Speaker A: It probably should have been done a year ago.
And yeah, let's actually talk about that because it probably should have been done a year ago because you probably could have got even more for him last year. And I don't think they got enough. I mean, we've seen multiple players in the last six to 12 months go for multiple first round picks. We saw Max Crosby almost go for. He was going for two first round picks until the trade got rescinded because of a failed physical.
There was another Micah Parsons, two first round picks.
I think I'm missing one more. But there was multiple players got dealt for two first round picks. You're telling me the two time defensive player of the year that just broke the sack record can't go for two first round picks. And I don't care that you're including Jared Verse in it. We'll get to Jared Ver in a minute. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great addition to the team. I'm not knocking that we got him.
But you can't sit here and tell me that he's a, he's worth a first rounder like that. You can't get two first rounders and Jared Verse if that's the case, like you didn't do it right.
[00:56:08] Speaker B: I just think his stock was never higher than it was when he was literally doing media row at the super bowl going, hey, somebody come get me. Like I need, I want out of Cleveland. I want to play for a contender. I think at that time you, he would have, you know, fetched A really high premium in terms of just draft capital and assets. So the timing feels weird with. With everything that happened last year and then the contract extension and everything else,
[00:56:37] Speaker A: I think which they. They actually restructured. I don't know if you saw that the Rams restructured it to front load his contract. So he's actually getting paid a ton of money this year.
[00:56:45] Speaker B: Well, and. And they're smart. And, and look, the. The Rams have done an outstanding job of building their team without necessarily needing draft capital.
[00:56:55] Speaker A: I'll let you in on something. The Rams, as far as like, I don't like any other teams other than the Browns, but the. I like watching the Rams front office moves because I think a very different approach. Their mentality is second to none. I love it. Just the, the whole them picks and let's go do what we got to do to build a contender right now.
[00:57:13] Speaker B: Bring in veterans that we know.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: And this is, this is very much like a mirror of a few years ago when they went and got Matt Stafford and they won the super bowl the next year. So I think for the Rams it
[00:57:23] Speaker B: makes a lot of sense. Right. This is probably a move that can put them over the top.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: Have you heard all the things. I think Pat McAfee was talking about it. Have you heard all the, the rumblings that Aaron Donald was like, I don't. Maybe I could play.
And they have him come back and play opposite of Miles Garrett.
[00:57:40] Speaker B: That just wouldn't be fair.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: They still own his rights. So.
[00:57:45] Speaker B: But I think, again, separating your emotions from it, I think there's two numbers that stick out to me. And you just mentioned one, and it's five and two. And two is the number of playoff appearances you had in nine seasons with arguably the best defender in the entire
[00:58:01] Speaker A: league, arguably the best defender ever.
[00:58:03] Speaker B: And five, which is the number of wins you had last year in a season where he set the single season sack record.
I mean, as good as he is, what was his impact here? And it's not to disparage Miles at all. Right. I don't. I'm not blaming the futility on Miles. I'm just saying even with as good as he was, this team was so devoid of talent everywhere else that even having that once in a generation type player on your team, it just didn't matter.
So I think that's where it makes sense to go.
You know, he's not getting any younger. We have to start planning for the future and now's the time it makes sense to do something like this.
[00:58:48] Speaker C: That's the biggest thing that got me over the initial shock of getting, you know, trading Miles Garrett.
[00:58:53] Speaker A: So it's been terrible with him.
[00:58:54] Speaker C: Well, yeah, two. Two playoff appearances, five wins.
What was it, three the year before, and you had the best player in the NFL on defense, on your team. So it's just like, where are we going with this?
[00:59:10] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, Well, I think it's. It's so over. People talk about the importance of positional football, and obviously quarterback is kind of
[00:59:18] Speaker A: what drives, I think, drives ago.
[00:59:20] Speaker B: And, you know, I think when you step back from quarterback, it's. There's some debate here around, like, who's the next most important player on the field, but I think there's a lot of consensus opinion around that being a defensive end having a game wrecking tight end, a pass rush or tight end, the defensive end, or coming on defense, somebody that. That can apply pressure and make things happen.
But I think if you've been in Cleveland for the last nine years, you go, like, we had the ultimate one of those, and it's made little to no difference. I mean, what. Maybe this team wins three games last year instead of five? Like, Miles maybe is good for a win or two, but.
[00:59:56] Speaker A: And I think where I'm going with this is, does this point to the overvaluing of the sack as a staff?
[01:00:06] Speaker B: Sure.
[01:00:07] Speaker A: Because I know a big.
Our boy on Facebook's really going to love us talking about this because he hates Miles Garrett.
I forget what that means.
[01:00:15] Speaker B: One of the few of the proud.
[01:00:16] Speaker A: Yeah, sex don't mean anything.
But anyways, I think it does point to. To just not just fans, but. But even, like, football analysts overvalue the sack, because I know a big reason why Jared Verse is supposed to stop by.
[01:00:37] Speaker B: Jared.
[01:00:37] Speaker A: Jared Verse was supposed to kind of help with this trade and why they insisted that they get him in the. The trade is because they look at pressures.
Our front office values pressures almost as much as they value the sack itself.
[01:00:52] Speaker B: There's still a little bit of money ball in there.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: Yeah. But I'm just saying. So, like, he. Jared Verse, I think, is number two through his first two seasons, all time and pressures.
And so it's like.
[01:01:04] Speaker B: But does, again, does that matter? Miles Garrett was number one.
[01:01:09] Speaker A: Was he. I thought he was number three.
[01:01:10] Speaker B: I think, whatever. It's number one in my heart.
He's number one always. But.
[01:01:18] Speaker A: But does it.
[01:01:18] Speaker B: But does it matter? Right? Like, does. Does one player even matter and fair. And I think Jared Verse is a really nice player. I. I think it's laughable to people that are like, I think we're better off with Jared Verse. He's ascending. He's gonna be, he's gonna be Miles a couple years.
[01:01:32] Speaker A: I, I agree with the, the assessment that he's ascending and we get a young player for much less money.
[01:01:37] Speaker B: Sure.
[01:01:38] Speaker A: I do not agree on the fact that he's ever going to be Miles Garrett.
[01:01:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:01:41] Speaker A: Because he's not. And again, this is all talk just frankly here. He's not going to be Miles Garrett.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: And that's not even to disparage Jared Verse.
[01:01:47] Speaker A: That's not saying a single bad thing about the dude, Miles Garrett.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: Miles Garrett is maybe the best ever to do it.
[01:01:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:01:54] Speaker B: And Jared Verse could be a really, really good player. He might even be a Hall of Fame player someday. Who knows what that like, looks. Looks like. I still don't even know that he's ever. He's ever going to reach the echelon that Miles Garrett is in, which is second to none.
[01:02:06] Speaker A: I think, I think most, most, most of everybody that's talking about this is probably correct in the assessment that he's probably going to be a perennial Pro Bowler.
But a perennial Pro Bowler is not a two time defensive player of the year. And the sack king.
[01:02:20] Speaker B: No.
[01:02:21] Speaker C: And, and Shador made the Pro bowl last year.
[01:02:24] Speaker B: Come on, Bone.
[01:02:25] Speaker A: Pro Bowls don't mean we like should or should not have been in the Pro Bowl.
[01:02:32] Speaker B: All Pro is probably the more meaningful award. But, but I just like, what does Jared Verse ascending, let's say he gets to his full potential. What does that look like? Does that look like a guy that has 10 to 12 sacks a year? Like it's a really good year for a defensive end. Right. Like we're spoiled because we've seen miles put up 14 and 16 and 23 like 10 to 12. He's good. He's good. He, he is.
[01:02:59] Speaker A: But he's not Miles Garrett.
[01:03:00] Speaker B: He fills the positional need that Miles
[01:03:03] Speaker A: and he's a solid piece.
[01:03:04] Speaker B: He'll never be have the impact maybe that Miles has, but flexibility, assets, like the whole thing matters because you can now build around him and you're not. If you do build it on. Look, we literally were at a point last year where we were like, the Browns maybe have a shot if Miles Garrett wrecks the game. If Miles Garrett scores two touchdowns, two strip sacks and two fumble Rooski recoveries for touchdown. That's the point that we were at as Browns fans.
[01:03:29] Speaker A: Like, like the offense isn't going to do anything for us.
[01:03:31] Speaker B: You know, you've got Mason Graham in the draft last Year now with Jared Verse there, like, you know, can this team continue to build on defense and wreck games in other ways besides just relying on one player? Sure. It's all very possible, but again, laughable that he is in any kind of meaningful way a replacement.
[01:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:50] Speaker B: For Miles Garrett. Because he's not. He'll. He. I think he's a very good young player. Player. A lot of great potential. Ascending all the. All the adjectives. Right. Like he's doing all the right things, but.
But he's not Myles Garrett.
[01:04:01] Speaker A: Yeah, agreed. What I will say, though, is, is we talked about logically versus emotionally as fans. Like, logically, it's the right move at the right. Well, it could have been done sooner, but it's the right move. Yeah.
And what I will say is I. I think that this is some of the most logical thinking I've actually seen out of the Browns in recent years. Years to do this for the simple fact that before the off season started, my thought on the Browns going into next season was like, you know, we really need to get better on offense. It's not just me. It was like the consensus, like, obviously we needed to get better on offense, but if we could take even a step back on defense.
We're not a top three defense. We're a top 10 defense. But our offense takes a huge step forward.
We're probably going to win more games because our offense is actually able to put up points, and that's exactly what they did.
[01:04:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:04:49] Speaker A: I mean, we're probably going to be in that top 10 range on defense still. It's probably going to be more towards like 7 to 9, I would guess.
But on offense, you have a completely new offensive line. You have a completely new receiving core. Like, you could potentially take a huge step forward on offense.
[01:05:07] Speaker B: I think you're forgetting one, we don't have a quarterback. No one very important detail about this defense. And I'm not saying this defense doesn't happen.
[01:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:05:15] Speaker B: We don't have Jim Schwartz this year.
[01:05:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:05:16] Speaker B: But new defense, new defensive quarter coordinator, the guy that everyone in the building wanted to be the head coach isn't there anymore. And I. I don't think you can discount that because we don't know what this defense is going to look like. So I think it's. I think it's premature to. To have expectations that there'll be a top 10 unit.
[01:05:33] Speaker A: Well, so let me caveat it with. With. On paper, they should be a top 10 defense because they still have solid personnel across the board.
[01:05:40] Speaker B: Do they have solid personnel? Across the board, though.
[01:05:43] Speaker A: I mean, as far as starters go, they lack some depth at linebacker, but they. They have some solid depth or they have solid pieces across the board. As far as starters go, I think this is.
[01:05:54] Speaker B: I think this is very much a middle of the pack talent group now without Miles there. I think Miles elevated this group in a lot of ways, but it's neither here nor there. Right. They got to play the game. We got to see what happens. But I just think for anybody, that again, is going like, hey, we're better off now or like, hey, we're in a better position.
[01:06:10] Speaker A: That's not what I'm saying.
[01:06:11] Speaker B: I'm not saying Jim Schwartz is gone, Miles Garrett's gone. I think this is going to be a bit of a struggle, and there's going to be a real learning, learning curve with this defense, especially early in the season and, and maybe by midway through and the end of the year, they can get it figured out and be a top unit, but I think that they've got a long way to go.
[01:06:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, that's all. You lose the best player in the game on defense, you're going to take a step back as bottom line. So just, just real quick is kind of a recap.
Miles Garrett and the Rams here, I mean, they have legitimate super bowl aspirations now. Like, they're taught, like, they're probably the favorite, if not like top three. So how's.
[01:06:47] Speaker B: How's Puking doing,
[01:06:50] Speaker A: huh?
[01:06:51] Speaker C: Yeah, he had some legal troubles, didn't he?
[01:06:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, he'll be back, but think about them legitimately here. So Puka Nukua, arguably a top.
Like, like last year he was the
[01:07:04] Speaker B: leading receiver when he was like a fifth round pick.
[01:07:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Last year he was the leading receiver. They've got Miles Garrett, who is the leading. Who was. Broke the sack record.
And I believe they have one other player on their team that led the entire league, I think Stafford. Matt Stafford passing yards. Right. So, like, they have literally every leader on both sides of the ball.
[01:07:23] Speaker B: What I will say, though, about the Rams and why we're going to do LA Rams watch all season long is within the realm of possibility is, yes, the Rams winning the super bowl. Also Matt Stafford, Stafford being 40 years old and.
[01:07:37] Speaker A: And Ty Simpson breaking his hip in
[01:07:40] Speaker B: week one or two, not wishing an injury on a guy, but, like, is. Is that possible? Yeah. And all of a sudden this draft gets real interesting. This draft pick swap, like that could be a really valuable pick for the Browns if Ty Simpson is a starter team.
[01:07:55] Speaker A: Even if they're middle of the pack like that. That's a huge.
[01:07:58] Speaker C: You're able to pick 30 to 15 or something like that.
[01:08:01] Speaker B: Nobody expected the Chiefs to be in the top 10 in the draft this year.
[01:08:04] Speaker C: Right.
[01:08:04] Speaker B: Right. I mean, on paper, I mean, Patrick Mahomes isn't going to lose more than 10 games. Right. Like, just not going to happen.
So I think that's a very real possibility. Possibility.
And I think it'll be really interesting to watch. I will say it is still possible for the Browns to lose this trade.
If we get two and three years down the road and this team doesn't turn a corner and doesn't start winning football games and you don't turn those draft picks into serious.
[01:08:31] Speaker A: A lot of it's predicated on draft picks and you have to hit on those players. So, yeah. So, I mean, hell, we could draft Anthony Schwartz again.
[01:08:39] Speaker B: It's going to look really bad in two or three years if Miles Garrett continues to put up 18 to 20 sacks over the next two years.
[01:08:47] Speaker A: Right.
[01:08:48] Speaker B: And the Browns are still five and in 13 or 12 like it, you can still lose this, this trade.
[01:08:55] Speaker A: Let's just look at history. I mean, the chances are, you know,
[01:08:58] Speaker B: miles could have 40 more sacks and two Super bowl rings.
[01:09:01] Speaker A: I love the Browns, but the chances are we're losing a lot more games than we're going to win these next two years.
[01:09:05] Speaker B: Here's a question about this Miles Garrett trade. Are you rooting for Miles?
[01:09:10] Speaker C: I kind of am.
[01:09:11] Speaker B: Knowing what it means for the Browns.
[01:09:12] Speaker A: I am. And I actually don't win the Super Bowl. I, I, I am rooting for Miles because you know what he gets that we all wanted Joe Thomas to get is he gets to go be on a contender and potentially win something.
Everybody to this day, I think if you talked about just, you talked to just about any Browns fan about Joe Thomas and is there anything that you would have rather seen differently? And, and most people will honestly say, I wish we would have traded him later in his career so he had a chance to actually, actually win something.
And we get to see that for Miles. And I'm happy for him that he actually gets to experience it because he
[01:09:46] Speaker C: wasn't getting it here I was, I was kind of already rooting for the Rams.
[01:09:53] Speaker B: I've been a Cleveland Rams fan my entire life.
[01:09:57] Speaker C: I like Nakua and I like Matt Stafford and I don't know, I thought it was fun watching their team last year. They're so freaking good.
[01:10:03] Speaker A: Bone is his local.
He's like, I don't even I'm not doing.
[01:10:07] Speaker B: Already ordered his. Miles.
[01:10:08] Speaker A: I'm actually ready to start a Rams podcast.
[01:10:10] Speaker C: But I also.
I also had, you know, I had. I had Kyron Williams a running back and. And Puka Naku on my fantasy team, so I was kind of rooting for him before.
[01:10:19] Speaker A: That's fantasy.
[01:10:21] Speaker C: It clouds it. It does.
[01:10:22] Speaker B: That's what I hate about fantasy is it does, right. All of a sudden you're rooting for, like, Pittsburgh players because you got it. He scored three touchdowns in a game.
But my. My emotional attachment to Miles is not that strong. Miles is the enemy, and I hope that this. Every game.
[01:10:37] Speaker A: Oh, fair. Okay. I like that. I mean, I'm not gonna knock it. Whatever. I agree with, you know, whatever.
[01:10:42] Speaker C: I'm a big fan of the higher draft pick.
[01:10:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I. I would be a big fan of that. If, like, we get midway through the season, they're starting to fall, I'm gonna be like, hell, yes. Lose every game.
[01:10:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I have. I have. No. And it's not that I wish Myles Garrett, you know, injury or. Or poor anything. It's just I don't have. I, Like, I could care less if he ever wins another game at this point.
[01:11:03] Speaker A: This does.
[01:11:03] Speaker B: Not Brown anymore.
[01:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah, this. This does transition well into my last. Two points about Miles Garrett that I had on here is just that since he's been introduced with the Rams, I don't know if you guys have caught the press conferences and stuff. Multiple backhanded. Just things to say about the Browns organization.
Nothing but good things to say about the fans. But he's like, I'm happy to finally be part of a winning culture. I'm happy that we have coaches here that will, you know, more or less, because we. We know he loved Schwartz. So I think that was like, I didn't want anything to do with the new coaching staff there.
My guys.
[01:11:37] Speaker B: Really interesting. Some of the details that have come out as this has gone on. Right. The fact that, like, he never met Todd Monkin. Yeah, Like, I. I mean, it almost
[01:11:46] Speaker A: was on the wall.
[01:11:46] Speaker B: It almost is like, we should have seen it coming.
But I think if you read again just between the lines there, I think there's probably a lot of that same sentiment inside of that locker room still, which can be dangerous for a team, especially a young team under new leadership. That Jim Schwartz was so well liked, and that defense really, I think, wanted to see him promoted to be head coach.
Now, that was interesting. Schwartz came out in the last week or so and kind of said, like, look, they didn't pick me. Like, I'm not sticking around. Like, that's not.
That's not how I operate. It's not how anybody should operate.
But I think that that same feeling that Miles has expressed probably still exists in. In a lot of ways inside of that locker room, especially on the defense.
So I think it brings up really interesting questions about what do you do with Denzel Ward at this point. Right. If you're saying 2026 isn't our year and we're building for the future.
[01:12:39] Speaker A: Well. And Andrew Barry, it's. The funny. The funniest part about this is I. I love when people are like, well, Andrew Barry came right out and said that they're not doing anything with Denzel Ward. Well, two weeks ago, we were never dealing. Miles Gary, he was a Brown for life, and here we are. So, like, that doesn't mean anything. He's. It's just lip service because he doesn't want to tell you guys what he's actually doing.
[01:12:56] Speaker B: I do go back to that, which is. Just as a fan, it. It feels really bad, right? Like, well, that's.
[01:13:02] Speaker A: I think that's part of the emotional attachment. Right. As you just told us, last year, he signed $160 million extension, and you said he's a Brown for life.
[01:13:09] Speaker B: Football is, above all else, I think, an emotional attachment. Right. To your city in a lot of ways, players. And really, the current modern NFL has kind of told us you shouldn't get attached to players, because it is.
But I think that's sad. I think that's sad for football that it's become such a transactional commercial business, because I just. I always thought it was cool watching guys. And even. I mean, hell, even in recent history, guys like Peyton and Far have ended up on different teams. But, I mean, you watch some of these guys play for their teams for their whole career. There's something special about that, and it doesn't happen very often anymore, which I think is sad.
[01:13:52] Speaker A: Aaron Rodgers running another. Another season here in Pittsburgh.
[01:13:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it feels like those guys played there forever because they played, like, 15 years for those organizations. But. But. But I just. I think there's. There's something sad about that because especially if you go back more to, like, the 70s and the 80s, and I'm. I'm sure you can probably find examples of guys that were moved, but it felt like that happened more guys were lifers in their respect, and moving on
[01:14:16] Speaker A: from these big players is become a very common thing. I just named a few of them. Micah Parsons, Max Crosby, was on the move.
I mean, ob happen because of the physical, but it, it, it was happening. Miles Garrett's getting moved like all these guys are getting moved.
And it just.
GM seem to be much bolder when it comes to the quote unquote franchise guy now.
[01:14:38] Speaker C: And.
[01:14:38] Speaker B: And I guess that's why as a sports fan, like, the attachment just has to be to the city and the colors and the team. Right. I think the first time I had my. My heart broke as a little boy, Tim Couch was when. When Tim Couch was shipped out of Cleveland. And I remember my dad telling me at the time, like, you root for the name on the front of the jersey, not for the name on the back. And it's. It's more true now than broke your
[01:15:01] Speaker A: heart again when they shipped out Charlie Fry.
[01:15:04] Speaker B: Derek Anderson.
[01:15:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:15:06] Speaker B: Baker Mayfield.
Oh, yeah. Feels really bad being a Brown fan.
[01:15:11] Speaker C: Joe Hayden.
[01:15:13] Speaker A: Little known facts. Little known facts. Our boy Kenny Thunder over here was probably the.
The leader of the Charlie Fry fan club when he played for the University of Akron.
[01:15:24] Speaker B: We had season tickets.
He went to the Motor City Bowl.
[01:15:27] Speaker A: Ye. And he.
Charlie Fry for Heisman was like, Kenny
[01:15:33] Speaker B: told everybody we had bumper stickers.
[01:15:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:15:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:15:36] Speaker A: Needless to say, Charlie Fry did not win.
[01:15:37] Speaker B: He did not win the Heisman.
[01:15:38] Speaker C: I knew he wasn't gonna win it when we called his name and he looked at us and just like, turned his back.
He's like, screw these kids. I'm not signing anything for them.
[01:15:46] Speaker B: We would have really liked the Charlie Fry autograph that would be on the wall. If we had a Charlie Fry autograph that would have been on the wall right now.
[01:15:52] Speaker A: Don't meet your heroes.
I mean, you can't even have have
[01:15:56] Speaker B: heroes in today's NFL. Right. Like, they're just going to get moved. It won't be a Brown for life.
[01:16:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:16:01] Speaker A: And so to kind of turn the page a little bit, I do want to move on to Jared Verse here and talk about him a little bit. Obviously, that's the big return that we got besides the draft picks. That's the big return they. They made a big deal about. We were not going to do this deal unless Jared Verse was included in it. We wanted that piece for our defense for years to come.
With him, you get a projected perennial Pro Bowler, quote, unquote, cornerstone of the defense for six to eight years.
[01:16:24] Speaker B: Perennial Pro Bowler might be a lot. I mean, he's made two Pro Bowls.
[01:16:29] Speaker A: He's played two season years. But again, the Pro bowl is not hard to make.
[01:16:33] Speaker C: So that's not.
[01:16:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
Top three fastest in NFL history to 150 pressures. The one thing that I'm excited about from Jared, Jared Verse, that we do get that we've actually. We already talked about a little.
[01:16:44] Speaker B: You took Dylan Gabriel's number.
[01:16:46] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean that. Once you took that, I was like, I like this.
[01:16:49] Speaker B: Gabriel's on his way out.
[01:16:50] Speaker A: That actually was probably.
You talk about desean Watson missing a chance to. To kind of endear himself to fans. Well, Jared Verse nailed it. He came in and just stripped the quarterback that everybody hates of his jersey.
[01:17:02] Speaker B: Soup to nuts. Is that a thing? Soup to nuts. I just make that up. Is that a saying? I don't know.
Soup to nuts. Jared Verse, I think could play quarterback better than Dylan Gabriel. Like, it doesn't matter who wears that number eight jersey. They're both not be very good. But I think Jared versus the upper hand there.
[01:17:18] Speaker A: Yeah. But just by. From a size standpoint, he can see at least that's an advantage. Yeah. We talked about this last year. Dylan Gabriel might. Might process a defense faster than anybody, but he's got to see it first.
[01:17:33] Speaker B: Gotta just put him up in the booth. Yeah.
[01:17:36] Speaker A: Up there. He's a really good coach.
[01:17:37] Speaker B: Terrible player when he's up high and can see he's really good.
[01:17:41] Speaker A: Anyways, the. The thing that I'm looking forward to with Jared Verse is that he is known as a vocal leader and he is going to be the guy out there that not only is he the face of the defense right off the rip, because he's from like, already is the best player we have on defense besides maybe Denzel Ward and you put him out there and, and. And maybe Carson Swezinger. But he's a vocal leader. He's out there, he's getting the guys hyped up and you see him getting the crowd into it, doing all these things. And that's something that I think at least I've been missing with Miles. Not to knock. Like I said, I love Miles. It hurts really bad that he's gone, but it's the one thing I've always wanted to see more of from Miles and we've never really gotten.
[01:18:22] Speaker B: So I think it's different though, if a guy like Miles takes on that role. Because Miles has 23 sacks in a season.
[01:18:28] Speaker A: That's. That's fair.
[01:18:29] Speaker B: Different when there's a guy with seven sacks on your roster.
[01:18:32] Speaker A: That's fair.
[01:18:32] Speaker B: But come on, guys get after it.
[01:18:34] Speaker A: Well, I.
[01:18:35] Speaker B: But get with seven more sacks and then we'll get after it.
[01:18:37] Speaker A: But I think. I think even that though, not that I'm saying again, we've already established that Jared versus not replacing Miles Garrett. But I don't think you get like. I think you're minimizing his impact on the game a little bit. I mean, he's a potato.
[01:18:52] Speaker B: Tomato.
[01:18:53] Speaker A: Yeah, whatever. Whatever that means.
[01:18:55] Speaker B: I think he's a good young player. I just, I can't say anything more than that at this point and I've seen that. I can kind of. I've heard both ways. Right. As it relates to the trade that Jared Verse is better than getting two first round picks because he's a first round pick. That is panned out to some extent.
[01:19:13] Speaker A: Right.
[01:19:13] Speaker B: And I can, I can follow the rationale there. I'm a logical guy.
But I also look at it and say if I had two first round picks and I had to make a move next year because Arch Manning comes out and blows the roof off of the NCAA and looks like his, his family members that played at a high level, I can make, I can make those picks become Arch Manning.
So I just, I don't know. At the end of the day, he's a good player.
I just.
[01:19:45] Speaker A: Well, I already established that. I think they should have got for two first round picks and Jared Verse. So I think that's a failure on the GMs on that front. Not, you know, all I can say
[01:19:55] Speaker B: about Jared versus if he's any good, he won't be a Brown for long.
[01:20:00] Speaker A: That's fair.
But yeah, so I mean, I think, I think, you know, I think that does it for the Browns brief. I mean, the big thing was the trade. We've talked about it. I think we've dissected a little bit. We will have Rams watch this year to see what they're doing. I'm adding Falcons watch just because I want to see Kevin Stefanski fail.
If I could never hear that guy talk about anything ever again, that would be phenomenal.
[01:20:26] Speaker B: That notwithstanding the Browns having a good season, the best thing that can happen this year in the fans, the Falcons win one game.
[01:20:34] Speaker A: You gave them too many.
[01:20:35] Speaker B: Really, really bad. I would love to see them fire Kevin Stefanski after one season and just be like, okay, guys like the Browns,
[01:20:43] Speaker A: they were especially because we called for his firing like his second season.
[01:20:47] Speaker C: So yeah, it's been nine games and he's already lost the locker room.
[01:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Like just Urban Meyer him.
[01:20:53] Speaker A: This. We made a mistake. Yeah.
[01:20:55] Speaker B: Just admit it and you pull off the band aid.
[01:20:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
But yeah, that'll do it for the Browns brief. Kenny, I think you had something.
I think you had something for. Can we talk about this?
[01:21:06] Speaker B: I do.
[01:21:07] Speaker A: Okay, pause for. For the sounder.
All right, so just. Just real quick. I know it's been a minute since we've had any. Done any episodes since we talked about this. Yeah, we. We've been on break, so we use this segment when one of us has something that they feel needs to be talked about or explored further. So, Kenny, what do you got for us today?
[01:21:32] Speaker B: This won't take long, but I just kind of wanted to get your guys thoughts on this because I've. I've become very aware. Aware given what I do during the day. I'm on the phone with a lot of people in.
It's starting to really bother me that it is so damn hard to say goodbye.
I don't know, like, when just goodbye stopped becoming the end of a conversation. Like, it's. It's all right. Talk to you. You later. And then they say, like, yeah, we'll see you later. And you're like, all right, we'll see you. And then they're like, later. And like, you're like, yep, bye.
When did we. Why. Why do we have to say goodbye four separate times before we can end the conversation?
[01:22:23] Speaker A: I don't know. This is so. I. I don't know. I mean, the answer is I don't know, because I know when me and you get off the phone with each other, we just say you later, and it's over.
[01:22:33] Speaker B: We just yell at each other.
[01:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah, we just. It's done. Like, we. We say some sort of expletive at one another and that's the end of the conversation.
[01:22:40] Speaker C: I think. I think you just have to make the conscious effort to, even though it seems awkward, just hang up the phone. Yeah, just hang it up.
[01:22:47] Speaker A: Just be like, okay, goodbye.
[01:22:48] Speaker C: I said my goodbye, and that's it. And the person's just like, I. I was hoping to do three goodbyes.
Man, this guy's not effing around.
[01:22:56] Speaker A: Like, it is funny when you think about it, because we also.
[01:22:59] Speaker C: We.
[01:23:00] Speaker A: We live in the Midwest. And I think you guys are both familiar with what a Midwest goodbye is,
[01:23:04] Speaker B: where you're like a family gathering.
[01:23:05] Speaker A: You're a family gathering and start saying goodbye. But then you. You kind of get into a whole other conversation, and then you're like, wait, I was saying goodbye. And then you're like, yeah, we'll see.
[01:23:15] Speaker B: The graduation party reminds me.
[01:23:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Then you just keep saying goodbye, like. And you do say goodbye, like five times.
[01:23:21] Speaker B: So there's that, but then there's crept into phone conversations.
[01:23:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think it's. I, I think you're right. I think it's pretty universal because you just don't know how to get off the phone.
[01:23:30] Speaker C: Phone.
[01:23:30] Speaker A: You're like, it should be simple. It should just be like, okay, goodbye.
[01:23:35] Speaker B: Like, I think I'm gonna start doing the goodbye that you see in movies where, like, you're like, you don't say goodbye.
[01:23:40] Speaker A: You just hang up the phone.
[01:23:41] Speaker C: Yeah, that's the Irish goodbye. Yeah, you just hang up.
[01:23:44] Speaker B: You just hang up.
[01:23:45] Speaker A: Y.
[01:23:45] Speaker B: There's no need to. No need for pleasantries.
[01:23:48] Speaker A: Dude, Irish goodbyes at parties is the best. You don't have to say goodbye to anybody. Just leave.
[01:23:53] Speaker C: Where the hell. Where the hell Ronnie James go?
[01:23:56] Speaker A: I don't know. It's the best.
[01:23:57] Speaker B: I don't know. It just has been an impact, too.
[01:24:00] Speaker A: Later on, they're like, what the hell? Yeah.
[01:24:03] Speaker B: It takes so long to say goodbye.
[01:24:05] Speaker A: I don't know. Food for thought, you know?
[01:24:06] Speaker B: Food for thought. That was all I had to k. We talk about this. About.
[01:24:09] Speaker A: We talked about a little bit.
[01:24:10] Speaker C: I prefer to, like, just like, do like an accent, like bringing the fez from that 70s show. And you said, I, I. I said goodbye, and then you're done.
[01:24:20] Speaker B: Speaking of Wilmer Valderrama, I mean, when that name comes up, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?
[01:24:29] Speaker C: I say goodbye.
[01:24:31] Speaker B: I mean, what's Wilmer.
[01:24:33] Speaker C: I said good day.
[01:24:34] Speaker B: Synonymous with the Fez from your mama jokes. That 70s show, right?
[01:24:39] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:24:40] Speaker B: I was at a family gathering recently, and somebody pulled up a picture of him on the phone, and they were like, hey, it's that guy from ncis.
[01:24:48] Speaker A: What the fuck?
Who knows?
[01:24:51] Speaker C: Who knows?
[01:24:51] Speaker B: From. From ncis.
[01:24:53] Speaker A: First of all, that tells me a lot about your choice of. Of television. Like, you get out of here. Second, what the hell?
[01:25:00] Speaker C: Who are these people?
[01:25:02] Speaker B: I was just blown away because I was. I was not expect. I was like, oh, it's Wilmer. And every was.
[01:25:06] Speaker A: I'm gonna be 100% honest with you right now. I had no clue he was even on nis.
[01:25:12] Speaker B: I'm not even sure.
[01:25:13] Speaker A: I didn't know he did anything else besides that 70s show. Like, what else does that guy do?
[01:25:19] Speaker C: He did your mama.
[01:25:21] Speaker A: Yeah, he did your mama. Yeah. That's the other thing. I know I'm from.
[01:25:24] Speaker B: I was blown away. He was too funny.
We should have came. We talked about that.
[01:25:29] Speaker C: I said, good day.
[01:25:31] Speaker A: I said, good day. Really?
[01:25:33] Speaker B: That one caught me off guard with that.
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[01:25:46] Speaker B: We want hot takes.
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[01:26:00] Speaker B: Someone's gonna hear it.
[01:26:01] Speaker A: And be sure to check out our gear. Www.thetabmedia.com backslash shop and that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect the rest of the off season?
[01:26:09] Speaker B: Crap. Something we can. What can we expect?
[01:26:12] Speaker A: It's written in the notes for you.
[01:26:16] Speaker B: What I can tell you is we will not be live on Sunday night.
Because there's no football.
[01:26:21] Speaker A: No, not Sunday night. Sunday nights at all. No, Sunday nights will be live. You missed an S. We're not gonna
[01:26:28] Speaker B: do any Sunday night shows during the season.
[01:26:30] Speaker A: No, they're in the off season.
[01:26:33] Speaker B: I'm so confused. You're on my own lines.
[01:26:35] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:26:36] Speaker B: And we will not be back next Thursday.
Of course we will not be back back the week we. We will be back the week of August 3rd. Are we penciling that in for sure. Is this start date of season five? Yeah, August 3rd.
[01:26:50] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the start of the preseason.
[01:26:51] Speaker B: That's the start off Most likely Thursday, August 6th. We'll see.
[01:26:55] Speaker A: Well, because we haven't decided like we're thinking about.
[01:26:58] Speaker B: I didn't even know we had a schedule yet, so this is news to me.
[01:27:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Now you know you didn't get the schedule.
[01:27:02] Speaker B: I didn't get it. I didn't get it. I didn't get my line. The schedule. I didn't get the memo. Yeah, I might be. I might get traded next. Who knows?
[01:27:09] Speaker A: I hope so.
[01:27:09] Speaker B: Jesus.
[01:27:10] Speaker A: I've done a podcast with you now. This will be our fifth year and I am not happy about it.
[01:27:15] Speaker C: I can't believe I'm still here.
[01:27:17] Speaker A: You were the greatest addition we ever made. Because at least I get some relief from Kenny Thunder.
[01:27:21] Speaker B: My favorite part of bone being a part of the show is bone is literally everyone's favorite part of the show.
[01:27:27] Speaker A: Anytime I talk to anybody about the show, they're like, bone.
[01:27:30] Speaker B: We love bone.
[01:27:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't see that in my life. Like, nobody's ever recognize me, you know,
[01:27:36] Speaker A: we're not quite there yet. Just slow down, Speed Racer.
[01:27:38] Speaker B: They definitely don't recognize us.
[01:27:40] Speaker A: Yeah. No, but we like the people that do. The few people that do watch the show, they're like, bo's my favorite part. Awesome, man.
[01:27:47] Speaker B: Everybody loves the bone.
[01:27:48] Speaker C: Honestly.
[01:27:49] Speaker B: Who doesn't love the bone? You know, she don't eat meat, but she sure like the bone.
[01:27:54] Speaker A: Bone just said honesty, truth, the bone gospel, prosperity. Yeah, you know, but no, he doesn't believe in prosperity gospel. I learned that today.
He believes in the truth.
[01:28:05] Speaker B: I believe in Joel Olstein.
[01:28:08] Speaker A: Well, you know, nobody accused you of being smart.
[01:28:11] Speaker B: Potato tomato.
[01:28:12] Speaker A: Although you wear that Mensa hat every day.
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Kenny, you know what that takes us
[01:28:52] Speaker B: to you Fact for days.
No, it's just fact today. Just singular fact for days. Not plural.
[01:29:00] Speaker A: How can it be facts for days?
[01:29:01] Speaker B: Fact for day today, Facts. It's a fact of the day.
[01:29:05] Speaker C: You'll dwell on it for days.
[01:29:08] Speaker A: What do you got for us, Kenny?
[01:29:10] Speaker B: I was waiting for the Sounder.
[01:29:11] Speaker A: Well, let's.
What do you got for us, Kenny?
[01:29:25] Speaker B: So it's the off season.
No, I do a lot of reading about things that aren't football in the off season.
[01:29:33] Speaker A: Yeah? Anything good right now?
[01:29:35] Speaker B: I recently came across just a very interesting concept called enteral respiration or enteral ventilation.
[01:29:46] Speaker A: You piqued my interest. You've done well, sir, if you're not
[01:29:49] Speaker B: familiar with the term.
This is a method of delivering oxygen directly into the lower intestine, often via the anus, the rectum.
[01:30:04] Speaker A: You've lost me now, but go on.
[01:30:06] Speaker B: It helps the body absorb oxygen when maybe the lungs are failing.
Some marine turtles, diving turtles, sea cucumbers, they breathe this way just evolutionarily.
[01:30:18] Speaker C: They.
[01:30:18] Speaker B: They breathe.
[01:30:18] Speaker A: Who doesn't?
[01:30:19] Speaker B: Through their butt.
[01:30:23] Speaker A: That was an odd noise for that.
[01:30:27] Speaker B: And so, you know, once scientists have an idea, they're like, let's run with this thing, right? So what?
[01:30:35] Speaker A: Science is full of it's theories. You got to test them.
[01:30:38] Speaker B: Keep testing it and figure out what works, what doesn't. And so research has been done on pigs and mice to see if they too might be able to breathe through their anoose.
Results were promising.
And so obviously the next logical train of thought is let's see if humans. Humans can breathe, of course, through their.
[01:31:04] Speaker A: What else would you do with this information?
Take it to the next level.
[01:31:09] Speaker B: And so. So we are now doing human trials on.
[01:31:13] Speaker A: Trials on anus.
[01:31:14] Speaker B: Anus breathing.
[01:31:15] Speaker A: Nice.
Your skill can finally be utilized.
I've been talking about this for years.
[01:31:22] Speaker B: The National Institutes of Health recently published about the first inhuman studies and found that they were able to demonstrate. Demonstrate that intrarectal administration of non oxygenated. I can't even begin to pronounce this, but the short phrase is PFDS is the abbreviation for them. Basically what they do is give you an enema with oxygenated liquid straight into your bung.
It has been demonstrated to be safe, feasible and well tolerated by humans.
[01:31:52] Speaker A: Well tolerated.
[01:31:53] Speaker B: So this is.
[01:31:54] Speaker A: Well, that's good. Huge. If it was untolerable, I would not tolerate it.
[01:31:59] Speaker B: This is.
[01:32:00] Speaker A: This is huge news.
[01:32:01] Speaker B: It could be a real breakthrough.
[01:32:03] Speaker A: Revolutionary.
[01:32:04] Speaker B: Patients that need lung rest due to severe lung failure, which often requires the use of mechanical ventilators, which over time damages lungs.
We learned that during COVID Yeah, let's not go there.
Butt breathing could have saved a few people.
[01:32:22] Speaker A: Probably quite a few.
[01:32:24] Speaker B: So this gives.
[01:32:25] Speaker A: I think that's the bottom line. You get it? The bottom line.
[01:32:28] Speaker B: Anyways, this gives the lungs time to heal by taking breathing work off the lungs or even for emergency oxygen. Right. If an airway is blocked. Right.
[01:32:36] Speaker A: Pick it up as just a hobby.
[01:32:38] Speaker B: Shoot the p.
Shoot the PFD, not to be confused with PDFs, right into your bung.
[01:32:43] Speaker A: Someone shot a PDF in your bum
[01:32:47] Speaker B: to help provide a temporary lifeline and keep organs out oxygenated until the obstruction can be removed. So I just thought it was, you know, fascinating. The future is a wild place where. Future where we all breathe through our butts.
That, my friend, is fact for today.
This is wild butt breathing.
[01:33:09] Speaker A: Can they teach butt breathing?
[01:33:12] Speaker B: They teach doctors it. Because they're doing it to humans.
[01:33:15] Speaker A: No, but like, is this a skill you could pick up? I'm interested.
[01:33:18] Speaker C: You need the liquid.
[01:33:19] Speaker B: I think if you can give an enema, you can give a butt breath.
[01:33:23] Speaker A: So what do I do? Just hold my breath, give myself enema of oxygen. Oxygen, liquid.
[01:33:29] Speaker B: I think more to come on this. I think the. The important thing is it's demonstrated to be tolerated. It's been demonstrated to be tolerable. That's the important part to take away is that one day you may breathe through your buttocks. Well, not through your buttocks, but the whole.
[01:33:44] Speaker A: This is showing promise. Yeah, that's for sure.
[01:33:46] Speaker B: Very promising. Yeah, a lot like Jared Verse. Very promising.
[01:33:49] Speaker A: Kenny what? Or Kenny Bone. What do you have to say to that?
[01:33:54] Speaker C: I think that's the end of the show.
Time for bed.
Good night.
Bon appetit. There you go.
[01:34:05] Speaker A: I like how Bone always says bon appetit after these types of stories. He's like, yes. Bon appetit.
[01:34:12] Speaker B: Chef's kiss.
[01:34:13] Speaker C: Really worked up a hunger.
[01:34:17] Speaker A: Don't.
[01:34:18] Speaker B: Hungry for some butt.
[01:34:21] Speaker A: He'll be home soon.
[01:34:23] Speaker B: Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[01:34:26] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning River Sports.
The Burning River.
[01:34:33] Speaker B: Sports River.
[01:34:33] Speaker A: This is the Burning River.
[01:34:34] Speaker B: Sportscast. Sportscast. Burning River. Burning River.
[01:34:38] Speaker A: Give us a song, Kenny.
[01:34:41] Speaker B: Saturday in the park. I think it was the fourth of July.
It's almost the fourth of July.
[01:34:50] Speaker A: It'll be the fourth of July.
Probably watching fireworks. Good night, Cleveland.
[01:34:56] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:34:58] Speaker C: Good night, Akron.
[01:34:59] Speaker A: Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:35:13] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:35:17] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[01:35:19] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[01:35:22] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the Okie pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sports Cab.
[01:35:32] Speaker C: Motorboat.
[01:35:33] Speaker A: You play the motorboat.
You motorboat. Son of a.
[01:35:37] Speaker B: You old seal. Are you. You know what I was thinking during that interview?
[01:35:40] Speaker C: What?
[01:35:40] Speaker A: What were you think? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts. Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[01:35:45] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:35:46] Speaker C: My name is Utred, Son of Utred, by the way.
[01:35:48] Speaker A: I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[01:35:52] Speaker B: Women's Guide to To Anger Anal Sex and it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[01:35:58] Speaker C: The weather outside is weather.
[01:36:00] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger.
[01:36:02] Speaker B: Eating food.
[01:36:02] Speaker A: Fingers. Oh my God. My ass is full of everywhere.
[01:36:09] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:36:09] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[01:36:11] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:36:12] Speaker A: Oh no.
We suck again.
[01:36:15] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[01:36:18] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[01:36:19] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[01:36:20] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:36:20] Speaker A: Touchdown. Anyway.
[01:36:22] Speaker B: What do you mean funny? Funny how how am I funny?
[01:36:24] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[01:36:26] Speaker B: Timber.
[01:36:28] Speaker A: Godamn. Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like the meat pod.
Slow roasted.
[01:36:38] Speaker B: The leads are weak.
[01:36:39] Speaker A: Leads are weak.
Leads are weak.
[01:36:43] Speaker C: You're weak.
[01:36:44] Speaker B: That we should send a team of oil cord drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[01:36:53] Speaker A: No browns, baby. All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[01:37:04] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:37:05] Speaker A: But damn.
[01:37:06] Speaker B: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
You know why, mister?
[01:37:12] Speaker A: Because you drove a hundred day to get here tonight I drove an $80,000 BMW.
[01:37:17] Speaker B: That's my name.
[01:37:19] Speaker A: I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[01:37:26] Speaker C: This is.
[01:37:26] Speaker A: This is.
[01:37:27] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[01:37:28] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[01:37:30] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love to this cheese. We need cheese girl. Now.
Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[01:37:42] Speaker A: Probably me.
[01:37:43] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people.
[01:37:45] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[01:37:47] Speaker B: We're a whole race basically.
[01:37:50] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[01:37:56] Speaker C: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker
[01:38:02] Speaker B: you like to see almost naked.
[01:38:03] Speaker A: That's cool, man.
[01:38:04] Speaker C: Whatever.
[01:38:04] Speaker A: I know that.
[01:38:05] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:38:09] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
Is this not why you were here?
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