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[00:01:14] Speaker B: Transmission Deportiva de Burning River Los Seahawks is Sam Darnold Sen Capiones del Mundo.
Sorry, I mean, lo siento. After the glowing success and reaction I saw over the super bowl halftime show, I was under the impression that American football fans now prefer a Spanish only broadcast.
Anyway, now that's all over, the reset begins. Monkin and friends are hard at work building in elite staff for the next iteration of Browns football. Sunday was the measuring stick. It was the two best teams in the NFL. How far off are these brownies and what will it take to get it right? We'll break it all down for you next, Don La Transmission Deportiva de Burning River.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: Our that will be happening during our speaking Spanish too.
[00:02:07] Speaker C: No, you're like. You throw your dipsy divers out and you. You. You're trolling. You're on the move.
[00:02:11] Speaker A: What is happening?
[00:02:13] Speaker C: But I love zebras.
[00:02:14] Speaker B: Like a 10 year old growing up like she was the bee's knees.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Guys, thoughts on the halftime show? I'm just leaving it there. I want to. I want to hear your thoughts first.
[00:02:25] Speaker C: I.
I did not like it.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: We were born in it.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: And then finally I was born in the dark just doing his bane voice.
And then you. You. You son of a bitch. Kenny Thunder over here.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: We probably won't record live for three straight days.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: Although we could be the longest podcast. The longest Browns podcast ever that's coming.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: Up in the future.
[00:02:51] Speaker C: Zoinks. G Willikers.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: Puka Nakua tweeted out during the Super Bowl.
Just quote Sam Darnold with a cry. Laughing face emoji.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: Same.
Same.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: Here's the deal, guys. I think the bottom line is halftime show. We as Burning River Sportscast are not going to sew unity in the United States. So there's so much divisiveness right now that it's not going to matter.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: You should really come with a warning label.
[00:03:18] Speaker A: Kenny lost. He's a clown. He's going to get his butthole waxed we moved away from our old house.
[00:03:24] Speaker B: Because there was a murderer in it.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: No.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Often referred to as the poop loop.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Oh, this sounds good.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: Or more clinically. Whale pump.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: Whale pump.
[00:03:36] Speaker C: I don't know where he's going with this.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Whale pump.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: I'm so confused right now. Moby Dick. That's basically what that whole story is about. Killing whales for.
They messed with the wrong one though. Around and find out. You know what I'm saying?
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Yeah, they found out.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: The jaws of the whales.
[00:03:48] Speaker A: Whale world. Call me Ishmael.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Welcome into the final Burning river Sportscast of Season 4, presented by the fine folks at Tapping Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. Mi amigo today has a face only a madre could. I'd slap him, but I don't want to make his face look any better. Is El Rujo Caliente. Ronnie Jams. We're just keeping the Spanish thing, El.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: Rujo Caliente.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: On the board today. He's the human version of menstrual cramps. He's the big hueso man.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: Hueso. Hueso.
That's pretty close to huevos.
[00:04:27] Speaker C: You normally. Don't insult me. This is the last episode. What's up with that?
[00:04:32] Speaker A: Where did that come from?
[00:04:33] Speaker B: I don't know. I'm out of things.
Hoeso, you used to wear a lot of corduroy. You remember this?
[00:04:39] Speaker C: I. Yeah, I love corduroy.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: Have you heard about the new corduroy pillowcases?
[00:04:43] Speaker A: No.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: They're really making headlines.
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[00:05:27] Speaker B: Pod.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: I was waiting for you. Usually you jump in.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: You just waited for it.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: This time.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: I usually say pod at the end. You didn't say.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Oh, you're right. You do. You do.
[00:05:35] Speaker B: I forget we're doing this show for four years. He has no idea how the open goes.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: While you're at it, check out our merch www.thetabmedia.com backslash shop all kinds of stuff in there. Today on the show, this is what you can look forward to. We got the Browns brief including the defensive coordinator search and what little bit of news there was this past week.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: Is there anything else happening?
[00:05:54] Speaker A: No, there's not really a lot going on. We got hot takes, no hot takes. Quick trip around the NFL recap of I guess that was a Super bowl and I'm sure we'll talk about some other off season happenings during our. That that will be happening during our ha.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: Speaking Spanish too.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: Our hiatus with that, let's go ahead and get things started with the Burning river news story of the week.
All right. This week's Burning river news story of the week is the opposite of a burning river. It's a frozen lake.
[00:06:34] Speaker B: Frozen tundra.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: It's cold here in Ohio. I don't know if you guys know this or not so cold.
Cold as January since 1977. The average temperature this past month, 14 point degrees. And it is so cold that Lake Erie was 96 frozen for the first time since 1996.
Just for comparison, Lake Huron is currently 74. Well at the time that Lake Erie was 96, 74 degrees, Lake Huron was 74.8% frozen. Lake Superior was 52.7 frozen. Lake Michigan 36.5 frozen. Lake Ontario 19.7% frozen. Lots of frozen lakes out there.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Some of those are bigger than area though, right?
[00:07:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But I'm just, just in general. Just lots of frozen lake out there.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah. It's not a good time to go swimming.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: No, no, no, no.
And since then an 80 plus mile crack has opened up. Whoa. On the lake.
[00:07:27] Speaker B: It's the world's biggest butt.
[00:07:29] Speaker C: You probably go like troll fishing in there. You like go trolling.
[00:07:31] Speaker B: I wonder if it was like are there trolls?
[00:07:34] Speaker C: You ever go trolling for walleye?
[00:07:36] Speaker B: Is that like tuck stacking?
[00:07:37] Speaker C: No, you're like, you throw your dipsy divers out and you. You're trolling. You're on the move.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: What is happening?
Your whisker. Who's.
[00:07:45] Speaker C: Who's whisker don'ts.
[00:07:46] Speaker A: Yeah. With or without the scooter stick?
[00:07:48] Speaker C: There's probably some walleye fishermen who listening out there and they'll appreciate my very minimal knowledge on this.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: Hey, I know your brother was a big.
He spoke out against the guy that was cheating in all his tournaments.
[00:08:01] Speaker C: Oh yeah. Because he's he was involved in that tournament.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:03] Speaker C: And he's a big fish.
[00:08:05] Speaker B: Has he been ice fishing?
[00:08:07] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: I mean like this year and stuff?
[00:08:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I believe so, yeah.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: Got anything?
[00:08:11] Speaker C: Oh, he catches walleye all the time. I don't know recently, but yeah, he's always in the Fall Brawl and the big walleye tournaments throughout the year.
[00:08:18] Speaker B: So we should bring on the other. Other bone, Hueso, man, the biggest bone, and have him talk to us about fishing.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: El hueso Grande.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: Grande.
I wonder if it was like in ice age, like when it, you know, splits.
[00:08:32] Speaker A: That was actually the graphic that the, the news used was the squirrel coming out, putting the AC in the crack that was in the middle of Lake Erie. But anyways, listen, this is a big deal that there's this 80 mile crack because apparently, apparently this is.
It signals like worse things to come if anybody's out on the ice ice fishing or doing any of those things.
Trying to find my spot here in the story now and I can't find it.
[00:08:58] Speaker B: Well, it's probably not very sturdy because now the ice is floating.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: Local meteorologists have warned of 911 cracks. It's a term for large unstable fractures that signal an emergency risk of the ice breaking apart completely and drifting. Drifting on wind or currents. So if you're out there, shit starts happening fast is basically what they're telling you. So they're saying be very careful.
Ice fish, ice fishing, ATV travel, and exploring popular shoreline features such as ice caves and ridges are where most of the accidents will probably occur. So because you could just any moment just fall through the ice. Yeah.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: So instead of starts happening fast, they call them 911 cracks.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: Yeah. It's the clinical name for it.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: Smart.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: The lake is so frozen it spawned the Olympics just out of nowhere.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:45] Speaker C: They just started appearing on television.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: It's crazy.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: Nothing but winter sports.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: If you just real quick, if you do fall into a crack on Lake Erie, the temperatures of the water right now around 0 to 4 degrees Celsius. But nobody uses Celsius here in America. So it's 32 to 39 degrees Fahrenheit leads to rapid hypothermia. You'll probably die. That's the answer.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: I would say rapid. Yeah, Yeah. I get cold in a pool that's below 80 degrees.
[00:10:09] Speaker A: So, yeah, fair.
[00:10:11] Speaker C: You ever heard someone say, like, oh, once the lake freezes over, it'll stop snowing, we won't get as much lake effect.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:18] Speaker C: Is that just bullcrap? Because I feel like we still got a bunch of snow.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: But all the snow came before the temperatures dropped. Like it was really cold and then it warmed up for a few days and that's when we got our big snowfall and it cooled down again.
[00:10:31] Speaker C: I guess that snow came from the.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: West and the lake wasn't frozen before the snow came. The lake froze that much after the.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Really cold for like a really long time now.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And all of our snow just stays on the ground and we can never get rid of it.
[00:10:45] Speaker C: Not good for packing, not good for snowballs.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: No, no. Have you seen the fad though online? The viral videos of people making igloos for their kids out of their playground equipment?
[00:10:54] Speaker A: That's pretty dangerous.
Why igloos? Well, I guess.
No, like, like, have you ever.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: I didn't think we were going there's.
[00:11:03] Speaker C: All the time as kids. It was great.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: We were never a stranger, man. We made ice tunnels too when we were, when we were little. This is, we're going on a tangent, but like have you seen when these things like collapse?
[00:11:14] Speaker B: Well, yeah, the fun was getting the collapse. But these don't collapse because.
These don't collapse because parents are making them out of like their playground equipment. So you know the half domes that you crawl on?
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: And they cover them with a tarp and then when it snows 10 inches, it covers it and makes a ready made igloo.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: I gotcha. Not so dangerous because it's structurally sound.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Way more structurally sound than any of the things we grew up doing.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
Because now we're all grown up and we're way smarter than our parents. We're like, you guys are idiots. You guys tried to kill us all.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: Yeah. My dad was just like, hey, we had a plow guy come go dig a hole in it.
So much fun.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean I agree with you guys. It's so much fun. But now that I'm a little older and I read like just you hear about those things collapsing and like this kid was trapped under like six feet of snow and they parents finally found.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: You can suffocate under snow. Sure. Yeah.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Bad news bears.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: I don't know how we got here.
[00:12:05] Speaker C: Were you guys jealous of the, the, this igloo from the movie Snow Day back in the day. Nickelodeon.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Snow Day. Very underrated movie.
[00:12:13] Speaker B: Who was the girl in that? And she was spectacular.
[00:12:17] Speaker C: She loved whales.
Yeah.
[00:12:19] Speaker B: I mean there's like a.
[00:12:20] Speaker C: But I love zebras.
[00:12:21] Speaker B: There's like a 10 year old growing up like she was the bee's knees.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: I'm gonna tell you her name. She was actually she's in a lot.
[00:12:28] Speaker B: Of movies since then, but that was like the first thing I remember.
[00:12:30] Speaker A: I don't think she much anymore. Is it Xena Gray as Natalie Branston?
[00:12:35] Speaker B: That sounds right.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: Yeah. A young girl out to preserve this no day that happens in Sierra.
[00:12:39] Speaker C: No, no, that's the main character.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: Yeah. No, no, it's older.
[00:12:42] Speaker C: Older brother's love interest. Yeah, she's dark hair gal.
[00:12:49] Speaker A: Best friend of how.
[00:12:51] Speaker B: No, it's the only hot girl in the movie, man. I mean.
Oh, everybody else was eight.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Emanuel.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: That's the one.
Yeah, yeah. I mean she was better when she was an adult, but as a 10 year old she was the beast needs, you know, like. Oh man.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Snow Day. That was a good movie. But that was. They had the best snow for it in that for sure.
[00:13:17] Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah.
[00:13:18] Speaker A: This whole conversation is so stupid.
Whatever.
[00:13:23] Speaker B: Speaking of snow days, anomalies in the biosphere.
I just happened across the wild conspiracy theory on the web the other day. The interwebs that was. I don't know there's any truth or validity to this, but the story goes, there was a leaked NASA communication that on August 12th of this year a An anomaly caused by black holes will cause the earth to lose gravity for a total of seven seconds. I've heard this and again don't know that any of that has any like substantive truth or like imp. Empirical data to support like this could actually happen. But the thought of it was wild to me.
[00:14:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I've heard it and from what I've read and seen it was because I read about it like the day I heard it and then I. Basically what I gathered was it's all kind of.
[00:14:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure that it probably is, but can you imagine just for seven seconds going straight crazy? They were like this has Hollywood movie.
[00:14:20] Speaker A: Written all over it.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: Like it would just lead to a mass casualty event because like people would be throwing like 20 to 30 meters in the air in that amount of time.
[00:14:27] Speaker A: This would definitely be a rock movie.
[00:14:29] Speaker B: And then the gravity would come back because everything would fall.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: Does the rock stay on the ground or does he?
[00:14:36] Speaker C: Let me ask you this guys. Are you hanging on to something on August 12th?
[00:14:39] Speaker A: Well, it's going to float away too. You mean something fixed?
[00:14:41] Speaker C: Yeah, something fixed.
[00:14:42] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: Well, the thing is, is like how fixed is the ground? Because isn't the ground compacted a lot by gravity and just the forces of nature? So like if like think about in interstellar, right? Like all the dust and stuff started just Coming up into the air. Like would the ground be less sturdy to anything that was secured into the ground?
[00:14:59] Speaker A: I'm going to revise my answer. I'm be honest with you. I don't know what time of day it is most of the time.
Constantly chasing around young ones and, and whatever. So like I'm probably gonna forget or I'm just like sucked into my job and I'm like I don't know what's happening right now. So yeah, I'm just, I'm gonna float away.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Because imagine if you just hit their ceiling with force.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: Like basically it's gonna happen. Like it's gonna like the 7 seconds hits and if it's a real thing, I'm just gonna start floating around like oh damn it. I was supposed to remember this.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: It is an interesting to think though. Like if that, let's. Let's say that happened every few millennia like that it would maybe explain some of the disappearance of like you know, dinosaurs or other. Like like the different evolutions of Homo.
[00:15:37] Speaker A: Sapiens like because of the seven second gravity.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: Like if that was just something that kept happening through time like zero gravity gravity cataclysm.
[00:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: Cuz if you were a caveman, you really wouldn't have any way to protect yourself. If you were just out in the savannah like hunting animals and all of a sudden you started floating into the air.
[00:15:55] Speaker A: Hold on to a tree and hope it stays down.
I don't know.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: Anyway, again I don't think that's true. But it was wild nonetheless.
[00:16:01] Speaker A: Yeah, you, you're talking about space and things. And it actually brought up one thing that I for forgot about. The Lake Erie 80 mile crack manual cricket. You could see it in satellite images. It's pretty, it's pretty insane. So yeah, go check that out.
[00:16:16] Speaker C: That's wild.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: That and the Great wall of China.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: You can see that stuff. All right, well before we get to the browns, let me go ahead and remind everybody to call it Burger hot takes on the hot take out call that. Remember these are hot takes. We would like some hot takes.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: If you don't got the hot takes, don't call. But if you do, do call, call and then give us the hot takes.
[00:16:37] Speaker A: Yeah. 3302-2780-8133-0227-8081-3302-2278-0813, 022-7881 open all year long.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: Kick you right in the jimmies, right in the haslams.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: And with that let's go ahead and get into The Browns brief.
All right, first up in the Browns brief, Jim.
[00:17:05] Speaker B: Jim's.
[00:17:06] Speaker A: The whole gym. Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz is first in the Browns brief.
There's got to be a joke in there somewhere.
The whole Jim Schwartz thing has become a giant mess. Like, it's just terrible initially since, since he resigned. I don't know if we even covered that, if he had actually resigned at this time last week when we did the show, but he's officially resigned.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: The initial report, he resigned like, the day after we recorded.
So it was like broken news by the time our show aired.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: But, yeah, it sounded like we didn't know what we were talking about.
[00:17:38] Speaker B: Like, maybe Jim Schwartz will stay. I don't know.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah, a bunch of idiots.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: But to be fair, I said the entire time, I was like, he's not gonna stay.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: He resigned. Is the bottom line.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Not gonna, not gonna, not gonna work here anymore.
[00:17:50] Speaker A: And initially it was reported that the Browns could get draft picks out of him. And then all, all of the local media ran with that. They were like, oh, we're gonna get draft picks out of Jim Schwartz because he's, he's resigning, he's under contract, whatever.
[00:18:01] Speaker C: However.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: We can't get draft picks out of.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Don't work like that.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: You can't get draft picks out of coordinators. You can only trade coaches and high level executives like GMs. You don't get draft picks for coordinators.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: Jim Schwartz wasn't high enough on the food chain.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: No.
However. However, he is under contract for two more years.
And so far, at least, it seems as though the Brown stance is going to be, well, you're gonna have to sit out for two years if you're going to resign from the Browns.
Seems rude. Yeah, it seems really rude. Especially after they let Tommy Reese out of his contract to go to Atlanta. They let Bubba Ventrone out of his contract to go elsewhere.
And I know, Kenny, you said before, before we started recording, you take it back. Like last year, they let Bill Callahan out of his contract to go coach with his son.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: So it's a really bad look for an organization that is widely known as a dumpster fire and a place that people don't want to come work. And when you think about one more reason, you would think about the guys that dropped out of this coaching search. You didn't Skis of the world, Mike McDaniel.
And you go, what did they know? What did they think about the Browns organization that caused them to just withdraw themselves from consideration of one of the most coveted jobs in all of sport? And it's stuff like this, right?
[00:19:18] Speaker A: Mike McDaniel was here before, so he has inside knowledge.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: If you're somebody that is coming to the Browns, this now lives in the back of your head, like, hey, if things go south, are they going to derail the rest of my career out of pettiness?
And, you know, Jim Schwartz looks almost equally as bad here. Right. There's a lot of people that are saying, like, hey, this is how Jim Schwartz handles bad news. There's probably a good reason that he wasn't hired as the head coach, which is fair to an extent. But I also don't blame Jim Schwartz for having ill feelings about this whole thing because they interviewed him twice. There was a lot of.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: Of.
[00:19:52] Speaker B: I mean, he was momentum, thinking that he was the front runner for the job.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: And they must have given him some indication of that, too, because there was plenty of reports saying he was going around the building, like, basically saying, I'm the guy. So let's. Let's get things started. Let's. Let's start working towards next year.
[00:20:05] Speaker B: That's where I think it got dangerous was because I think that he had a very firm belief, based on what was communicated to him by the Browns themselves, that he was going to get the job and that for one reason or another, they went in a different direction. So, like, again, I don't blame him for that, but just everybody in this whole situation now looks bad because the Browns look petty for holding out on his contract and forcing him to. I don't sit out or whatever. And then he looks bad for playing the same game. But it's just an unfortunate end to what was like, a really solid tenure as a coach here in Cleveland, which we don't have a lot of.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: No. I mean, when's the last time you had any portion of the fans, like, clamoring for a specific coach, especially one that's already here to become the head.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Coach of one instance in the last 25 years. I mean, there was momentum, like, when Freddy Kitchens was. Got the job. Like, there was a lot of, like, fan push to, like, get him the job, thinking, like, oh, because he had this crazy offense the last year and stuff. So there was a lot of stuff like that. But once a guy has been fired or the. The whole organization has been blown up, I can't think of a single scenario in the last 25 years where people were like, well, that's. You got to keep at least that guy around.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: Yeah, like. Like, top down, too. Like, it wasn't just fan. It was everybody even the organization was like we. The whole thing when the, when everything started was, is we have to keep Jim Schwartz at all costs.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:27] Speaker A: So it's just wild.
[00:21:30] Speaker C: I don't know. I just think it's just another example of our GM and owner failing and another example of why they get, I think a lot of no respect from fans as a whole or the show.
And I don't understand why anybody who's, who's blaming Jim Schwartz or giving him issue with it because just based off their reputations and Andrew Berry being. And just kind of garbage at his job. So I don't know. I have way more respect for Jim Schwartz and if they hold on to him for two years and don't let him get a new job, I think that's just. Yeah, zero class.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: That's real shitty.
[00:22:05] Speaker B: It's just very petty over the whole thing. And this is. At some point the old adage is like, it's a business. Right. This is a business. No one has time for hurt feelings and emotions and crying.
There's no crying.
[00:22:20] Speaker A: Browns always have time for crying.
[00:22:22] Speaker B: But, but you know, we just keep creating drama out of things that like they could have just cut ties with Jim Schwartz and like no one. That would have been a totally normal thing. That happens all the time when your head coach gets fired. The anomaly here is that the Browns wanted to retain somebody that was on the staff of a head coach that got fired. Like, that's, that's what's weird about the situation. So. Yeah, just. Just really ugly for. For no reason at all.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And I will say Bone, you bring up Haslam and Andrew Barry and we, we've talked about how Andrew Barry sucks for a long time.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: He sucks.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah. But I actually want Hoover. That made me think of something. I, I speculated a while back that maybe Haslam wasn't meddling as much as we thought he was and that he's a billionaire owner. He probably doesn't have time for that. And I'm just going to say it right now, I completely walk that back because he's been involved in every single step of everything piss poor we've done since we fired our head coach. So.
Yeah, I don't know what you do with that. I think, I think he's the poor man's Jerry Jones.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: Like he's the owner and he's not.
[00:23:29] Speaker A: Going anywhere and Jerry Jones ain't good. But I mean, I agree with you. You can't spend too much time on it. But I'm just saying, like he's poor man's Jerry Jones. He's not even as good as Jerry Jones.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: The thing is, at least if you're a Cowboys fan, at least Jerry Jones was good once.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: That's my point. Like, he's. Poor man's Jerry. He never was good.
[00:23:46] Speaker B: If Jimmy had won a Super bowl here you get some latitude to make a lot of poor decisions like Jones has for the last three decades.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: But if he would have won a Super bowl, like, we'd let him do whatever he wants for as long as he wants.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: But this guy has done nothing but consistently lose since he's taken over the Browns.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: So.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's hard to stomach. Just.
[00:24:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm just saying I want constant futility. I want to acknowledge that I was. I was probably wrong on that take. And I did at least say at the time, like, I have nothing to back this up, but.
[00:24:14] Speaker B: Well, that's most of your takes.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: Well, I'm the only one with sources here, so, you know.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: Next up here, because we need a defensive coordinator. The defensive coordinator search is underway.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Great.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: These are the guys we've had. We. We've either requested interviews with or we have already interviewed two internally.
Is it a frame? Is it a frame? Is that how you pronounce that, Ephraim? Is it Banda? These names, man, I can't yet.
But, yeah, yeah, we got all these names. That's not even a name, as Kenny. Kenny Thunder would say.
Ephraim Bonda, safety's coach here in Cleveland, and Jason Tarver, linebackers coach here in Cleveland, both interviewed for the job.
[00:24:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: These two seem to be getting a lot of push lately, and I don't know if it's just because they're already here or what, but they seem to have gathered a lot of steam.
[00:25:05] Speaker A: I think it's cooled a little bit lately. It was hot and heavy when they first interviewed us, them, and it sounded like one of them was going to get the job, but.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: Well, look, it's big shoes to fill. Right. This defense was playing at a very high level, so whoever comes in needs to be very competent here because that's the fastest way to derail anything Todd Monken is trying to do. They're going to spend a lot of time, a lot of capital on this offense in the off season. If the defense takes a next year because Jim Schwartz is gone like that, there's going to be hell to pay for that.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: That. Yeah.
[00:25:36] Speaker B: And fans will not let that go.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah. According to reports, though, Bonda was a finalist for several NFL defensive coordinator positions this year.
And then before he was with the Browns. He previously coordinated defenses at both Miami University of Miami 2016-2020 and Utah State from 21 to 22. He also served as a defensive assistant coach at Mississippi State in 2015. And then he joined the Browns in 2023 following 11 years years in college. So and then on the other side you got Jason Tarver, just completed a sixth year with the Browns. Previously served as defense coordinator for the Raiders from 12 to 2012 to 2014.
Prior to his time with the Raiders, an assistant with San Francisco 49ers. Two stints from 2001, 2010 and then 2015, 2017. And then he also coached in college at, at Stanford as well as ucla. So these guys have at least long histories of being defensive coaches and they, they seem like they're both guys that multiple play, multiple teams were looking at in the off season.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: Hugh Jackson had a long resume of NFL coaching.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: That's fair. All right. And so some of the other guys that we've interviewed, Aubrey Pleasant, assistant head coach slash past game coordinator for the LA Rams Aubrey Pleasant. I lost my spot again. I'm really good at this with my notes.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: You mean mad at this?
[00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's what I said.
I'll punch you right in the dick.
[00:27:10] Speaker B: It's taking us 152 episodes and we've arrived at dick punching.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: Don't tell me with a good time.
But yeah. Aubrey Pleasant, Aubrey Plaza.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: She's in, she's in the running.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: He was, he was actually a Browns head coaching Internet return in 2013.
As previously a finalist for defensive coordinator job with the Chargers.
13 years of NFL coaching experience. Previously worked for the Commanders, Lions and Packers.
They've also requested to interview Jonathan Cooley, defensive pass game coordinator for Carolina.
Cooley played college football at John Carroll. So local tie there.
[00:27:51] Speaker B: He gets us.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: He gets us.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: He's one of us.
[00:27:54] Speaker A: Spent the past three seasons as a defensive assistant in Carolina, including the last two as defensive pass game coordinator.
Prior to his time in Carolina. Spent three seasons defense as defensive assistant with the LA Rams. Also spent time coaching in the college ranks at John Carroll, Kentucky, Tennessee, Kent State and the University of Akron.
They've also requested to interview Charlie Bolen, linebackers coach, interim DC for the New York Giants this year.
So Boland was the Giants interim defense coordinator for the final four games of the season. I worked with the Giants since 2024 serving as the outside linebackers coach. Previously served as defensive assistant coach with the Arizona Cardinals and Miami Dolphins.
And then the final guy that They've requested to interview is Mike Rutenberg defensive pass game coordinator for Atlanta.
He spent the 2025 season as defense pass game coordinator for Atlanta. He's also served as defensive assistant with the Jaguars from 2013 to 2019 and the 49ers in 2020 before working as the jets lineb from 21 to 24. So quite a few guys in there. It doesn't sound like there's any more going to be added as of. As of now, but, you know, we'll see what happens.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: I think this list goes to show you why the Browns were so keen on trying to keep Jim Schwartz.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: There's not many guys.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: I'm not saying that any of these guys are going to be a bad coach. I'm saying I don't think we know because most of these guys haven't been in that role. But just can we appreciate the fact that if we go back two or three weeks, there were fans legitimately that were like, guys, I would totally be okay, like, if we could get you Dinsky here as the head coach. Mike McDaniel is the OC Robert Sala is the DC like, like, guys, it doesn't work like that. Like, it's just not. That's not a thing.
Those guys aren't all coming to Cleveland to form, like, the Justice League of Coaches.
So, like, this is what you're left with when a guy like Jim Schwartz walks. Like, it's. It's hard to find quality coordinators that are established that have strong resumes because those guys are either comfortable in seat or they've moved on to become head coaches. And this is kind of what you're left with.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: 10 out of 10.
So much.
[00:30:11] Speaker B: 10. 11 out of 10. Easily.
[00:30:13] Speaker A: That was the greatest thing I've ever watched on ice.
[00:30:16] Speaker B: I've never been more into figure skating.
[00:30:20] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:30:22] Speaker B: This is like brazzers at the Olympics.
[00:30:25] Speaker C: It's a whole new level. I feel like that's cheating.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: We are all distracted at the moment.
I've never seen anything like it.
And I've seen Blades of Glory a lot.
Spectacular.
[00:30:40] Speaker A: All right, next up here in the Browns, brief encore.
[00:30:45] Speaker B: Just keep going, you two. Keep going.
[00:30:47] Speaker A: This has to be viral tonight, right?
Has to be.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: I mean, that's the best thing I've seen on TV in a long time.
[00:30:59] Speaker A: Just dead silent.
I'm lightheaded.
[00:31:03] Speaker B: Nobody can concentrate.
[00:31:05] Speaker A: All right, so next up here on the Browns brief, Atlanta fans are apparently upset that James Pierce Jr. Lost the rookie of the year to Carson Schinger. So let me give you a Quick Comparison of the two Carson Schlesinger for Cleveland, 16 starts, 156 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, two and a half sacks and two interceptions. While James Pierce Jr. Jr. Had three starts, 593 snaps, 26 tackles, 26 tackles, 10 tackles for loss and 10 and a half sacks.
So I'll give you the, the ten and a half sacks is pretty impressive. But everything else in there, like what about this says James Pierce Jr. Should have won rookie of the year over Carson Swezinger?
[00:31:51] Speaker C: Well.
[00:31:51] Speaker A: Well, nothing.
[00:31:54] Speaker C: No, you got a deeper thought I should say nothing.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: I just think like when, when you're handing out awards for season long. Right. A part of that is the ability to sustain excellence over a long period of time.
Carson only didn't have 17 starts because he was beat to hell from playing the first 16 games of the year and there was no reason for him to play the last game.
[00:32:17] Speaker A: Oh and he said still had the most tackles by a rookie by a wide margin.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: Top 10 in the NFL for the whole. Not just rookies, for the whole NFL. And he finished fifth or sixth in tackles for the whole league.
So it's an unbelievable season and a season that all year long and obviously we're, we're biased a bit because we watched him play every week but we, we literally were saying all year long he's playing at an all pro level. Which is true when you think he's in a top, the top 10 in the league at his position. Like it was an incred, incredibly just spectacular rookie season and 10 half sacks in a lot of years probably does get you a defensive rookie of the year. But not in the same season where another guy goes for 150 plus.
[00:33:00] Speaker A: Well, especially just, just miss me with all this bullshit when you have three starts. Yeah, you had three starts, right.
If you were that good, why didn't you start more games?
[00:33:08] Speaker B: I mean Swiss was literally thrown into the fire after he was their defensive captain. Like space retired in July and they were like well I guess this rookie was with hair. He's going to call the defense this year. And he was like all right. And he stepped up and he stepped up big time.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: I mean not only did he play excellent like he was a defensive captain all year long.
[00:33:26] Speaker C: I don't think you, I don't think you can underestimate that. He was calling the defense as a rookie and on a very good.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: He was calling the defense on the second ranked defense in the NFL with.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: Guys like Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward. Like there's good players on the that are looking to him as a rookie and going, that's the guy we follow.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: That's the guy in.
[00:33:46] Speaker B: In. In two. I think the other thing you can't discount here for this team is Carson Swinger became one of those emotional leaders. That was the rah rah guy. We, We've all. We've talked at length for years about how Miles really like kind of the lead by example type. Carson was the guy that you often, often saw on the sideline, like firing guys up, just always playing with energy.
He's. He's a. A leader of men type.
[00:34:11] Speaker A: He's like the. The. The guy we were missing as far as to pair with Miles Garrett, lead by example.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: That's why the defense.
[00:34:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:18] Speaker B: Had such a resurgence this year. He's a big part of why they did so well.
[00:34:22] Speaker A: Yeah. So. Yeah.
[00:34:24] Speaker B: And the Falcons won what, seven or eight games this year.
This offense that he played with in Cleveland was at field position worse than the 0 and 16 team played on short fields. Like. Like, like if this team, if this defense wasn't excellent, they would have been crushed in games. And. And they were competitive in a lot of them because of this defense led by this rookie.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. And don't worry, we'll talk more about James Pierce Jr. Here in just a little bit, so we'll get the story. Hold that thought. Yeah. Hold that thought.
Next up, a lot of rumors already that the Browns will try to bring in Brandon Iuk in the off season.
Disgruntled receiver from the 49ers.
This will be what, the third, fourth year in a row that they're trying to go get Brandon Iuk?
[00:35:11] Speaker C: Seems like it.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: I mean, it just has Andrew Berry written all over it.
[00:35:16] Speaker A: Just to take a chance on one of these receivers that had like a down like he. His numbers have slipped and he's not as good as he once was.
[00:35:25] Speaker B: And when's the last. When was. Was. When was the last time Brandon Ayuk played in a football game?
[00:35:31] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:35:33] Speaker C: He didn't play this whole year. Right.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:35:34] Speaker A: I don't think so.
[00:35:35] Speaker C: And then very little the year before.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:37] Speaker B: So, like, I don't.
[00:35:38] Speaker A: Yeah. This has Andrew Barry written all over it. Yeah.
[00:35:41] Speaker C: So Sean Watson, diamond in the rough. He can have a reassurgent resurgence with the Browns.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: I've heard this story before.
[00:35:47] Speaker B: I mean, is it worth a gamble if you can get a guy on the cheap like that? Maybe. But frankly, like, at this point, I'm just.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: As a Browns fan, I'm sick of it. Because it never works out.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I would rather, I would rather spend draft capital on two top floor play rookie wide receivers high in the draft.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: You even look at Jerry Judy and we got one good season out of him, but now he's worse than ever.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: This team just can't afford to keep missing on wide receivers, especially if they are going to try and develop Shador.
If you want him to have a fighter's chance, like they have to put some talent around him.
[00:36:19] Speaker A: Right.
[00:36:20] Speaker B: And you can't afford to gamble on an iuk. Does the idea of like IUK and Judy, like, does that sound appealing to an extent maybe because they both have great potential, but potential just mean you ain't done nothing yet. Like that's. Neither of these guys is, is, is on the arc to success at this point in their career.
They've done nothing but cause problems of recent.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: Well, and that was going to be my thing is, is so you're going to bring in IUK and you're going to pair that with Jerry Judy. Like just imagine the bullshit that we're going to have to deal with all season long with those two.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: And, and we've seen a wide receiver room completely derail this team before because when Odell Beckham.
Okay. And the team winning games and then Odell Beckham gets a, you know, bug in his ass about whatever and his dad's posting videos about Baker Mayfield and, and literally that was the domino that started the entire downfall of the, the most successful Browns organization that we've seen in the last 30 years.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Not good. So I think we're all in agreement. Let's not bring in Brandon iuk. Let's, let's instead focus on young guys in the draft.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Or like I, I'm okay with like going and finding. If you're gonna get a chance on a guy, go take a chance on a vet veteran that is a consistent player and just at the end of his contract, like there's, there's guys out there that aren't going to command a lot of money and maybe they're not a top flight receiver, but are they, are they consistent to where they can play? Like, are they.
[00:37:44] Speaker A: Instead of iuk, you say iuk and.
[00:37:46] Speaker B: Are they role players?
[00:37:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Instead of Ayuk and Jerry Judy, imagine if you went and got, you went.
I know not many people have them doing this, but imagine you went wide receiver, wide receiver in the first round and you ended up with like a Carnell, Tate, Denzel, Boston situation where you have both of them and you're oh, we got those two guys with Jerry Judy now. Jerry Judy's number three.
Like now that sounds a lot more appealing to me than Brandon Iuk and Jerry Judy.
[00:38:13] Speaker B: I just think anything sounds more appealing than Brandon Ayuk at this point.
[00:38:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair. Next up here, desean Watson's final two civil suits have been dismissed.
So now it's officially for the time being over. All 27 have now been either settled or dismissed.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: I feel like this is the fifth time it's been over.
[00:38:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So guys is, you know we, we do have a new offensive minded head coach even even though we think Shador Sanders should be the starter going into next season. I don't think anybody is under the impression that he's like he's got the job.
Just, just sealed is Miles Garrett maybe.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: Is it comeback winner Miles Garrett voiced concern for or voiced approval on Shador this week. Said that he was the guy they're looking to.
[00:39:04] Speaker A: I mean that's fair and hopefully that's the case. But I'm just saying like as all this kind of plays out I just, I find it more and more likely that at some point we're going to see DeSean Watson next year.
[00:39:15] Speaker B: Although I think if any of these players on this team carried any influence at all, guys like Jim Schwartz would still be here.
[00:39:20] Speaker A: True. Yeah, true.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: It's very clear that the ownership group and the GM don't care much about what these players think.
[00:39:26] Speaker A: So I mean your guys thoughts you think we'll see deshaun Watson, I feel.
[00:39:31] Speaker C: Like he'll play a game. I don't have many but I think he'll be on the field next year at some point.
[00:39:36] Speaker A: I mean I think he starts the season as the, as QB2.
I can't imagine you put Dylan Gabriel's QB2.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: Sure. There's a high probability that he'll, that he'll be here and be around so at some point you'll probably get a look at him. I'm not convinced that they won't go out in the off season and bring in a veteran retracement somebody, you know, Mac Jones adjacent that they think can be a bridge quarterback. Especially if they are going to draft one early in the draft so that notwithstanding they're not drafting if they don't do that then yeah I would expect we'll see desean at some point next year because I think Shador probably comes in as the day one starter at least in camp to just early on because he's going to be you know one healthy so he'll be available, but I don't think we can go back to Dylan Gabriel. I think we've probably seen the last of him here in Cleveland. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved especially to in Atlanta before the season starts.
[00:40:32] Speaker A: I actually would put, if I was a betting man, which I'm not. Which I'm not. No betting advice here, but I would put money on Atlanta. That's. I'm using that as a figure of speech.
Atlanta acquiring Dylan Gabriel on draft night at any time.
[00:40:48] Speaker B: I just, I just don't think he fits this quarterback room. I mean, for all the, the trash that goes with desean, like desean Watson and Shador Sanders kind of can play in a similar styled offense just based on their athleticism and they can see over the.
But, but Dylan Gabriel I think requires a full diversion from the game plan you would have for both of those guys. So I do think like you could bring in Malik Willis or somebody maybe like that in the off season and then you have three quarterbacks.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: We all know you love Malik Willis.
[00:41:20] Speaker B: I, I don't care for Malik rules, but I just think like then you don't have to create two separate offenses for next year. You can kind of say, okay, this is the, the scheme we're going to run and all three of these guys are capable of it.
[00:41:31] Speaker A: On your point, if they're going to move Dylan Gabriel, then you almost have to bring in another, another veteran. So.
[00:41:36] Speaker B: Or they draft, you know, in the fifth or sixth round. That's a project.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: I didn't put this in here. Well, maybe the fifth or sixth round, but I didn't put this in here. But have you noticed since Todd Monken came on board, the tides have kind of turned and almost nobody has the Browns taken a quarterback early on?
[00:41:52] Speaker B: No. I think there's a lot of energy though, behind them. Potentially taking one late.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's. And that's fair. And to me that all points to exactly what we were just talking about. Dylan Gabriel's going to get moved.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Cole Payton in North Dakota State is one that I've seen on a lot of mock drafts in round like five or six. So.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: Yeah, which I wouldn't even mind because you're, you know, contrary to this past year, you're not drafting those guys to start.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: So 6 3, 23 3. That's a machine.
[00:42:18] Speaker A: That's a big dude. Yeah, I'm in.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: I mean a little bit of athleticism, strong arm.
[00:42:24] Speaker C: You guys have kind of touched on it before, but with Todd Monken coming in. Would it be petty to want to see DeShawn in for a game or two just so he can, like, I mean, honestly play a better game with him as coordinator than Steph Kevin Stefanski was able to do?
[00:42:37] Speaker A: And my take on it is this. First and foremost, I don't ever want to see deshaun Watson play for the Browns.
[00:42:42] Speaker C: I kind of agree with that.
[00:42:43] Speaker A: However, if he did get in, I would be very interested to see how he fares, given the fact that Kevin Stefanski is a quarterback and offense killer.
[00:42:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I would have liked to see DeSean Watson prior to the last two injuries under someone besides Stefanski. I don't. I don't honestly think he can play at this point. I don't think his body will hold up. I don't think he'll have the athleticism that he wants had. I think it's going to be a very difficult game for him if he gets in. I think he's fine in a pinch. If you need some guy to come in and finish the game for you, just to not.
[00:43:19] Speaker A: He's never going to be what deshaun wants.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: I don't think he'll ever be.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: Which should be fair. Even. Even before the Achilles injury, like, I think we were all at the point where we were like, I don't know if he's ever going to be there.
[00:43:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: Anyways.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: But some of that may have very well been Kevin. Kevin in the offense. So. But after the last two injuries, I mean, shoot, the last time he got hurt, he was not dancing.
[00:43:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:40] Speaker B: So if you get hurt dancing, you probably get hurt if somebody big tackles you.
[00:43:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
Also not in the notes, but. But this brought it up. I was talking about Kevin Stefanski. Have you seen that? The Atlanta media is, like, turned on him already. They're like, if Raheem Morris wasn't good, good enough. Why did we bring in Kevin Stefanski, who has lost way more games than he has?
[00:44:00] Speaker B: It started from the beginning that. It doesn't make any sense.
[00:44:04] Speaker A: There's some. Some big name, you know, personalities out there that have come out and been like, what are we doing here?
[00:44:11] Speaker C: They actually started looking at who they.
[00:44:13] Speaker A: Got as coach and they're like, this guy is garbage.
[00:44:16] Speaker C: Wait, but the NFL guru said he was good.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: Yeah, there's quite a few analytics, too many for me to name, honestly. But there's quite a few Atlanta sports podcasts or just like NFL podcasts in general that have, like every. Every single host or co host on it has come out. They're just like, what are they doing? I wonder why Is this better? Why? In what way? Can you tell me?
[00:44:38] Speaker C: The whole browser with them?
[00:44:41] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: I mean, that's the kiss of death there.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: You're in trouble now.
[00:44:44] Speaker B: You know, like when the Meow Mix podcast disbanded. I wonder, like, how many podcasts Kevin Stefanski will single handedly take down in Atlanta just because they're gonna become so unwatchable.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: I don't know. It couldn't take us down. We're Browns fans, so we don't play that shit.
[00:44:59] Speaker B: We're a different breed.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: Yeah, we're used to the misery. Absolutely.
[00:45:03] Speaker B: We were born in it.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: And then finally, I was born in darkness. God, he's doing his painting voice.
Keep it going. Come on, give me some more.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: You were merely bathed in it.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: It's actually a pretty impressive bane voice, I'm not gonna lie.
And then finally, in the Browns, brief dates to know for the offseason. March 9th. Legal tampering period begins. March 11th. Free agency officially begins April 6th. Clubs that hired a new coach, aka the Browns, can begin offseason programs April 23rd through the 25th. The NFL Draft Draft. We will also on the 23rd.
Don't have the details yet. Keep an eye on our social media for that, but we will have a live draft special for the draft, at least on the 23rd. I don't think it's going to go more than one night, but we probably.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: Won'T record live for three straight days.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[00:45:55] Speaker B: Although we could be the longest podcast, the longest Browns podcast ever.
[00:46:00] Speaker A: That's coming up in the future. Not. Not right now, but I like that we both have the same idea instantly. We're not going to do that, but we could.
But the 23rd marker calendars for a live draft special from us.
And then in late May, the. The dates aren't set yet, but OTAs. And then early to mid June, veteran mini camps. So a couple. Couple days to look forward to there.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: It is kind of wild. Like, obviously this is our last show for season four, so we're going to take a brief hiatus.
Um, it is wild, though, to think about the NFL calendar and how quickly for them that it turns over. I mean, these guys will all get, you know, six, eight weeks off to just.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: Hell, if you're the Browns, you get like three months off.
[00:46:41] Speaker B: So, I mean, they'll get some time to kind of rest their bodies and unplug from everything because even guys like Miles and like, some of these guys have still been plugged into everything going on because they had to Go to the Pro bowl and do a bunch of media interviews and stuff for the super bowl, those kinds of things. So they'll get a couple weeks to just really up unplugged. But then really once the draft kind of comes, you bow TAs and stuff already starting and these guys are back in the building and it goes quick. Man, he's just right back at it.
[00:47:04] Speaker A: Not quick enough though, because we're officially entering the worst.
[00:47:07] Speaker B: Oh, it's the worst television. I mean, thank God for the Olympics right now at least because like for the next two weeks we'll have something to watch on tv. But after that, it gets pretty barren.
I mean, there's a lot of baseball fans out there that get excited for spring training and stuff and for the start of that season.
[00:47:20] Speaker A: But I'll get excited for baseball until October.
[00:47:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I can't get excited for baseball until at least like August.
[00:47:26] Speaker A: Maybe if the Cavs make a run now that they got James Harden.
[00:47:28] Speaker B: But even that, you're like, okay, can we get. Can we get into like May?
[00:47:31] Speaker C: That brings a little of excitement to it. Just because it's new and it's like, how, how is it going to mesh?
[00:47:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:36] Speaker C: Is it going to work?
[00:47:37] Speaker B: Early signs are good. They're positive. So we'll see what they played one game. But yeah, I mean, the early returns on that game though, were positive.
[00:47:44] Speaker A: That's true. We'll get to that. We'll get to that here in just a little bit. Is not in the Browns brief in.
[00:47:49] Speaker B: The super bowl recap.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. But that will do it for the Browns brief. And now let's get into the super bowl recap.
[00:47:54] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: James Harden, here we come.
[00:48:11] Speaker A: All right, the Seattle Seahawks. In case you were living under a rock, they're super bowl champions. They defeated the Patriots 29 to 13. It was nine nothing at halftime.
Neither team played particularly well offensively. Besides Kenneth Walker iii, he was the only person on offense that played well. 27 carries, 135 yards, two catches for 26 yards and Super Bowl MVP.
But outside of that, didn't really have much going on the Patriots on their side. Drake May threw two interceptions and lost a fumble.
And their rookie first round left tack tackle Will Campbell allowed an NFL season worst 14 pressures in the super bowl loss.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: Declined to speak to the media afterward.
[00:48:53] Speaker A: Yeah, so I mean, I mean, what were you guys thoughts on this game? Because this might have been the most boring Super Bowl I've ever seen.
[00:48:59] Speaker B: Son Campiones, Don Mundo.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: We'll get to that. In a minute.
[00:49:05] Speaker C: I would agree that it was. It was kind of boring.
[00:49:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:07] Speaker C: So it was a football game, but it was. Yeah, it was uneventful.
[00:49:10] Speaker A: It was. I watched. I watched a good deal, like, most of the first half, and it's nine nothing at halftime. Then you get the super bowl halftime show. Show, which we'll get to in a minute. And then you come into the third quarter, and by the end of the third quarter, it was like the.
I think it was like the last two minutes of the third quarter, and the Patriots are finally driving. And I was like, oh, we might get a game. And then Drake may promptly gets sacked. Strip sacked. And they recover. And I'm like, this is the dumbest thing I ever watched. And that's. That was the point that I turned it off. I'm. Be honest.
[00:49:38] Speaker C: The two catches by Mac. Mac Collins, Right?
[00:49:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Unassailable difference maker.
[00:49:43] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, there was a little bit of a jolt, and you're like, maybe they can come back. Which makes football games interesting when you think that both teams are in it. But then that was quickly ended with, like, a pick six.
[00:49:54] Speaker B: So the energy that we had pre Super Bowl, super bowl matched, which was just very, like.
[00:50:02] Speaker A: It was. It was weird because we love football so much, but we. I. I was not excited at all. I remember you texted me before the game. Game. You said, guys, it's here. The Super Bowl. The superst bowl of them all.
[00:50:12] Speaker B: I was trying really hard, and I.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: Was like, I'm not excited at all.
[00:50:16] Speaker B: I was trying to get, like, my son excited. I was telling him all day. I was like, it's the Super Bowl. Every TV in America will be watching this.
[00:50:22] Speaker A: I don't even think I told my daughter that it was the Super Bowl. The one that's old enough to even know what TV is. I don't even think I told her.
[00:50:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I tried really hard to get up for this game. It just.
It just was such a. It was just flat the entire time.
I will say I've never heard Kenneth Walker speak before. So that was an interesting ride.
[00:50:43] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness. It threw me off.
[00:50:45] Speaker B: I didn't know what to expect.
[00:50:47] Speaker C: It was like Mike Tyson. Like, you just didn't.
[00:50:49] Speaker A: Like a little.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: No, Like a little bit of Josh Cribs in there. Like, very understated, reserved, and squeaky. Like, is that inaccurate?
[00:50:57] Speaker C: Like, how about the graphic they showed of him, like, in street clothes? I was like, that guy looks like he's 50.
They're like, no, that's Kenneth Walker, the starting running back.
It Looked like he had, like, stubble of gray hairs, like, on the top of his head. Like, he didn't, like, fully.
[00:51:11] Speaker A: Like, if you just looked at a lineup of NFL players that were playing in the super bowl, you'd be like, that guy's not winning the mvp.
And he did.
[00:51:18] Speaker B: So I think he was the first running back since, what, Terrell Davis to win super bowl mvp. So, I mean, good job for him. He was the only watchable element because.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: We kind of run it at Darnold leaving leading up to the super bowl, and we were like, sam Darnold's in the Super Bowl.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: I still can't believe Sam Darnold is so encapione de mundo.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's. That's what I was going to say is he didn't. I mean, not that he played poorly. He didn't, but he didn't play overly well.
Like, he was just. He was just there. He was a guy.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: He played so mad that, like, after the game, they interviewed McDonald. They interviewed Kenneth Walker. They interviewed. I can't think of the defensive player's name.
Like, Sam Darnold was, like, the fifth guy they interviewed. I wasn't like, you're this. You're the winning starting quarterback of the Super Bowl. And, like, they couldn't care less about even interviewing him.
And then he gave a terrible interview on the podium afterward. They were like, what's the. What's the. Like, what did you think when you saw the confetti falling? And he was just like, we did it. Yeah, great. Thanks, Sam.
Thanks.
[00:52:24] Speaker C: I like how we don't talk to you. I liked how he, like, was really, like, pretty humble. He was like, yeah, the defense was great. The special teams was great. He's like, the offense was good.
[00:52:33] Speaker B: Have been better.
[00:52:34] Speaker C: Could have been better.
[00:52:36] Speaker A: Sam Darnold is like what you always want your quarterback to be, though, as far as, like, he's like, I'm just going to fly under the radar.
[00:52:42] Speaker B: He was selfless and whatever, but it's because he didn't have the game to back it up. He couldn't go out and be like, we wrecked this league. Like, do we.
[00:52:49] Speaker A: If Sam Darnold would have went out there and thrown for 360 yards and, like, four touchdowns, you think he would have came out and been like, yeah, we won the super bowl.
[00:52:56] Speaker B: Would have been a little more excited. I think you could have been like. Like, that would have been redemption for Sam Darnold after.
[00:53:01] Speaker A: Instead of saying what. What Bone said, he would have been like, the defense played well, special Teams played well and the offense rocked it.
[00:53:07] Speaker C: Why, like, just put yourself, like, I know I've played football games where we've won, and I didn't play greatly. I didn't feel that good afterwards. You know what I mean? Like, so I'm sure he had a similar kind of experience. I don't know.
[00:53:18] Speaker B: But, yeah, he did say something that I thought was crazy critical, though, and he was critical to the Browns specifically and where they are today, which is they asked him, you know, kind of what led to, you know, the belief in the. The team or the. What led to the team's success this year and especially coming over from Minnesota stuff. And he said, they believed in me. The coaches believed in me, players believed in me from day one, from the day I got here in ota makes a huge difference. These guys all believed in me, which is true, because they said, okay, we have a quarterback that's good enough. Let's put all the pieces around him, scheme around him, play to his strengths. You can win a lot of football games when you do that. Which puts the Browns right now in a very precarious spot, because that belief doesn't exist in Shador Sanders. It's a. It's a reason why I asked the.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: Question, is Sean Watson going to play?
[00:54:08] Speaker B: If he pans out, then great. That's not the same. As we are all in on building a team and a program around this guy, which just that. That attitude never leads to some success. Believing in a guy, building around a guy. You can win a lot of football.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: And to your point, I think you have, like, to. To me, that's the best possible thing for the Browns this year. If Todd Monken comes in and just very like, yeah, I know he hasn't yet, but if. If, like, at some point during OTAs or whatever it is, he flips the switch and he says, shador is our guy and we're behind him 100%. And you stay that way this whole season and just see what happens.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: The quarterback conversation gets so twisted because everybody thinks you got to have an elite quarter quarterback. It's not that you need an elite quarterback. You have to have everything else around him, and you have to believe that he's the guy.
[00:54:50] Speaker A: Yeah, and.
[00:54:51] Speaker B: And I think we've. We've seen that, especially in recent Super Bowls. I mean, Jalen Hurts comes to mind as another guy that, like, people in Philadelphia can't wait to get him out of there. But he's a Super bowl champion. If you believe in a guy and build your program around him, you can have success.
[00:55:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. I think that we need to. We need to fully back Shador Sanders and give him. Him the chance to be successful here in Cleveland.
[00:55:15] Speaker B: Well, I just don't think. I think. I think indifference is a killer. So if he's going to start week one, whether or not that is the plan today or not, like, if he becomes. If he comes into the season as the week one starter, like, you have to be under the impression and belief that, like, you can win with this guy. So even if it's not Shador, if it is somebody else, they bring in Malik Willis or whoever, like, then that guy now becomes the guy and you have to go. We were built building our program around him. You can't go into the season with indifference. It's exactly what doom of the Browns this year is. We all kind of knew in the back of our mind Joe Flacco is probably the day one starter, but all the conversation during camp was all centered around Little Coconut and Shador. So that was the talking point.
[00:55:54] Speaker A: I just like his nicknames in there. Just nonchalant.
[00:55:57] Speaker B: And Kevin didn't do anything to diffuse that. Kevin really never came out until the end of the preseason. Made it worse. Said, like, Joe Flacco is the guy. We just all kind of assumed that. But you just. The indifference is a killer. And that belief means everything. Because football is an emotional game. You have to not only buy into it as a coach, you have to get the other 52 men on that roster to buy in and believe the guy that's in charge of the offense, the guy that's going to put points on the board. We all believe in him. And this is going to work because if you don't, that bleeds into your players and then your players have doubt, which just leads to literally everything we've watched for the last 25 years.
[00:56:36] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we. We've transitioned into Browns talk. So are we. Are we done talking about the Super Bowl? Like, that's how boring it was.
[00:56:44] Speaker C: How'd the Patriots do?
[00:56:46] Speaker A: Well, I said they were really bad.
Drake May threw a bunch of. Through two interceptions and lost a fumble, and their left tackle gave up 14 pressures.
[00:56:54] Speaker C: Oh, I didn't know. I didn't know you already said that.
[00:56:56] Speaker B: I mean, their. Their lack of offense was glaring in that. I mean, the lack of, like, ability to, like, playmakers on that offense. I think they. They sk. Scooted by a lot this year, and that defense was really good. And there was a lot of talk about strength of schedule for Them and that they played a weak schedule. So this game certainly didn't help that narrative at all for them.
But you know, I would have liked to see like Trayvon get more involved, feel like he didn't get a lot of touches in that game.
But really, like we just watched the game. Like, who are there? Who is their best receivers?
Like, Matt Collins is the only one that I can think of off the top of my head. But he's not a good receiver. He's a good blocker.
[00:57:35] Speaker C: Stefan Diggs.
[00:57:36] Speaker B: Stefan Diggs barely touched the ball.
[00:57:38] Speaker C: Barely.
[00:57:39] Speaker B: Like was a total non factor in the game. So when you think about the guys that do have the ability to bust open a game, like those guys just weren't involved. And part of that was Drake May was under duress all game long.
And part of that is Drake Maze in his second year year as a starter. So just not there yet.
[00:57:55] Speaker A: Stefon Diggs was too worried about Cardi B or whoever he's dating.
[00:57:59] Speaker B: Well, about which one is having a baby right now or. Yeah, yeah, you got a lot of them.
I don't know what he was thinking about, but it wasn't football. But yeah, the, the offense just, I mean, and they, they gave up a lot of pressures and credit to Seattle. Like that defense is good, very good this year, can create a lot of pressure, but the offensive line was poor. Very poor.
[00:58:23] Speaker A: I applaud you. You somehow squeezed like four more minutes out of that super bowl.
Like talking about it.
[00:58:29] Speaker B: Are we going to talk about the halftime show?
[00:58:32] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what's next. That's why I was waiting for it. So guys, thoughts on the halftime show? I'm just leaving it there. I want to. I want to hear your thoughts first.
[00:58:43] Speaker C: I, I did not like it.
I wanted to give it a chance. I'm on social media right now, but I heard the fluff around it. And then pregame it said, this is going to be the first halftime show in history, all in Spanish. And I heard that and I listened to it and I said, there's no way.
There's no way that that's real.
And they told me straight up that it was going to happen. And I went ahead and started to watch. I don't speak Spanish, by the way.
I have very little training in Spanish. I took some in college.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: No hablo ingles. But I mean espanol.
[00:59:21] Speaker C: The visuals were good at the get go. But there came a point when I was just like, I have no idea what he's saying. I can't relate. I Know none of this. I don't know who he is. I don't know any of his music.
And I turned it off because I could care less. I turned on the other one and we, I like country and we, we watched some of the other one. So, yeah, that's kind of where I was at that.
[00:59:43] Speaker A: Kenny.
[00:59:44] Speaker C: To be fair, I haven't liked the super bowl halftime show since Snoop Dogg and Eminem and Dr. Jones.
[00:59:48] Speaker A: Hold that, hold, hold that thought. Because I, I actually, I have something to say that to that same. Making that same point, basically. What, what do you think?
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Look, we, we talked about this last week a little bit in that none of us here follow Bugs Bunny to any.
[01:00:04] Speaker A: I like that you keep calling him Bugs Bunny.
[01:00:07] Speaker B: Like, like, I didn't.
I apparently missed the part that Bone Saw Hoiso man saw about the show being in Spanish ahead of time because I had no idea this was a learning experience for me. I had no idea that Bugs Bunny was, I knew just because only song.
[01:00:21] Speaker A: I knew because my wife told me that he only, you know, he only sings in Spanish.
[01:00:27] Speaker B: So, and so like when he started singing, I was like, okay, this is interesting because it's in Spanish and I expected the next like four songs then to be something I understood. And they just kept going.
So to me, I just found it very odd. Odd.
And, and it's, it's, it's, it just was, it just wasn't for me. Again, I'm not a Bad Bunny fan. Like, I don't listen to his music. I understand he's culturally relevant and is wildly successful. Way more successful than I'll ever be in the entirety of ten of my lives.
[01:00:56] Speaker A: Like, that doesn't take much.
[01:01:00] Speaker B: But that still doesn't mean that I, I like or am obligated.
[01:01:03] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, Bones more successful than you'll be in like five year lives. So.
[01:01:07] Speaker B: Thank you.
I just, I, I thought it was odd. I, I, I don't. You know, these events, when you think about the marketing that goes into them, right. It's very much a game that is marketed to young American men.
Beer commercials, girls in bikinis, like, those are the things that are some synonymous with like football marketing. So they, they know who their target demographics are. The people that pay all the bills and save Money to buy PSLs and season tickets for games.
So it was odd to me to not have just entertainment that caters to your top demographics. But I understand where they're trying to get a cultural reach and trying to extend their audience and all that's fine. It just seemed odd. It seemed out of place for America's Gay Game of the year. That's, like, the biggest television event of the year to be something that no one could understand. I mean, I.
I took Spanish from 7th grade through 12th grade, took honors Spanish. I took Spanish in college. I understood maybe every sixth.
[01:02:15] Speaker A: Even have our show in Spanish today.
[01:02:17] Speaker B: I understood maybe every sixth word. And, like, that wasn't enough to really understand what was going on. So regardless of the show itself, like, I'm sure there were plenty of people that did like it. What bothered me more about the show was the reaction afterward because I saw a lot of, like, the. If you didn't like this show, you're a racist.
[01:02:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:02:40] Speaker B: This was the greatest halftime show of all time. And I'm like, I took Spanish in high school with you, and you got a D in Spanish, so I know that you didn't appreciate anything that was said because you didn't understand anything that was said. So for you to then make snap judgments about anyone that likes different music feels like an overreach in the worst, most just divisive way for our country and for cultural and politics. So, like, frankly, I understood so little of what was saying during the show. I wouldn't know if Bad Bunny was making political statements or not. I have no idea what any of the lyrics to his songs said or meant.
[01:03:20] Speaker C: So.
[01:03:22] Speaker B: I would like to even give him credit to say, like, I don't think he made it uber political, even though there was all this political buildup before him. But frankly, I just don't know because I don't even know what the lyrics to the songs were.
[01:03:31] Speaker A: I don't.
[01:03:31] Speaker C: I don't know how this works on tv, but NBC didn't even offer subtitles, right? Could I have turned them on? I don't know.
[01:03:39] Speaker B: I had subtitles on for the game.
[01:03:41] Speaker A: But it was Spanish.
[01:03:42] Speaker C: Okay. That's why I was like, how could they not have even offered us.
[01:03:47] Speaker B: Yeah, like a little dancing ball. Like a karaoke machine.
[01:03:50] Speaker C: This is what he's saying. This is what his lyrics are, right?
[01:03:53] Speaker A: I know.
[01:03:53] Speaker C: Don't know.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: I don't know. So let me. I want to kind of go point by point here. So I think you had a lot of good points, Kenny.
I don't think it was bad.
I was kind of just indifferent to it. I was just kind of like, yeah, this is a halftime show. And so let's start there with the point that you made earlier, Bone, that you haven't liked the halftime shows since. Whatever.
That's where I was going with this and it ties into your, like everybody afterwards is the best halftime show ever won. It was, was not.
There's people like Michael Jackson and Prince that have done halftime shows that have been phenomenal.
Michael Jackson literally made halftime shows what they are now.
[01:04:30] Speaker B: Prince sang Purple Rain in the rain.
[01:04:32] Speaker A: Right.
So definitely not, not the best one ever.
But in general, super bowl halftime shows, let's be honest, guys, in general, they are not good.
Like it's 17 minutes of these artists trying to sing every single song that they've ever written in like 10 second snippets, and they're running around the entire stadium trying to like put on this big show. Like they've become so much of a spectacle, it's so much of a production and it's, it's minimized the actual music. Like the best soup. To me, the best halftime shows are the guys that come out and actually try and give like a concert. Like, it's just like, I'm gonna sing my songs and there's no extra stuff around it.
So, so that's my, my opinion on the whole thing. But I just, yeah, I, I agree with you. Anybody that's like, if you didn't like it, you're racist. I don't agree with that.
[01:05:24] Speaker B: I mean, I mean, it seems like, it seems like a big reason. Okay.
[01:05:27] Speaker A: To not like the show. Like, it's, it's fine.
[01:05:30] Speaker B: I mean, I'll be honest. Like, if, if the fact that I don't listen to music from foreign artists singing different languages makes me racist, then, like, I don't, I don't know.
[01:05:38] Speaker C: Like, I prefer my movies in English too.
[01:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's, that's my point. I don't agree with, with anybody that's taking that stance.
[01:05:45] Speaker B: I love Mexican restaurants, but you know what? The menu's in English. Like, I can at least order my food well.
[01:05:52] Speaker A: And so, but this does kind of lead into my next thing is I, you know, I'm a little bit shocked that you guys didn't like it more.
I, I, I thought it was right up both your alleys. I mean, bone, you're alignment.
[01:06:05] Speaker C: I heard there was Transformers exploding.
[01:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah, there was a whole section and.
[01:06:09] Speaker C: People dancing on crosshair where they were.
[01:06:10] Speaker A: They were, they were climbing like poles. Like a, a, like a telephone person. Yeah, like, like linemen.
[01:06:16] Speaker C: Yeah, we don't use those.
[01:06:18] Speaker A: No, but I'm just saying, like, like, like they were, they were up there like working on stuff and there was, there was Transformers exploding. Like the lights looked all the, like they were Exploding all the way around the stadium. So I was like, oh, that's right up Bones alley. Nope, he didn't even stay for that part.
[01:06:32] Speaker C: I didn't know it happened.
[01:06:33] Speaker A: And then you. You. You son of a bitch.
Kenny Thunder over here. His dream girl is a big booty Latina woman, and they had him for days.
And apparently you didn't like it.
I was shocked.
[01:06:48] Speaker B: Look, there's nothing I love more than castanets and Latinas shaking their ass. But.
But this just. It just didn't do anything for me. Again, I don't know. Like, I don't know any of the songs. I don't know him. I don't know what any of the songs meant. Like, so the whole. The whole time, I was. I wasn't even able to appreciate the. The visuals of it because I was trying to figure out whatever narrative was going on on the screen by translating what. I don't. I don't know what he's saying, but I'm trying to figure out, like, okay, they're in a. A bodega. They're climbing poles. They're like, I. I don't know. I didn't know what was going on. Like, I'm trying to. There's a wedding. I'm just, like. I'm trying to figure out it's a.
[01:07:24] Speaker A: Real wedding by the way they actually got married.
[01:07:26] Speaker B: What is the actual story here that we're trying to say? Because I don't understand what's going on. So it just was. It was just very. It was hard to follow for me.
And I. I don't know.
[01:07:36] Speaker A: Maybe the wedding part was the only part I understood because I know that I. I don't know his exact saying. I'm paraphrasing, but his. His, like, thing that he says all the time is like, love over everything. And it's like, that was. That was supposed to symbolize the love over everything.
[01:07:47] Speaker B: Sure, but he didn't say that for 17 minutes straight.
[01:07:50] Speaker A: True, but.
[01:07:52] Speaker B: But, like, I don't. Like, maybe I'm just culturally obtuse. I don't. Like. I. I can accept that. Like, maybe I don't. I don't appreciate Spanish music. I. I don't know. Like, I.
When Shakira did the halftime show and I think Bad Bunny was in it, I really liked that one, so.
[01:08:08] Speaker A: Well, that was a big booty Latina woman shaking her ass the entire time, and you love that.
[01:08:11] Speaker B: But it was songs that I have heard before on the radio and that I knew what was. They were saying. So, like, that was fun. I didn't have any issue with that.
[01:08:19] Speaker A: I think my biggest thing is that I wanted to address with the super bowl halftime show is like, it doesn't matter everybody's opinion. Like, you can have your own opinion. Everybody's allowed to have their own opinion. And that's fine. And that's fine. Like the fact that everybody was on one way or the other, Everybody after the halftime show was online, like, just on anybody that didn't agree with them. I was like, what is the point of this?
[01:08:40] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, that was the biggest problem I had with it was just the reaction afterward. Like, I think you can like music and not like music, and that's fine. And if you tuned into the other one, I. I mean, I had them both kind of going at the same time because I was like, waiting to see if there was some kind of bullet big political controversy on the tv. But I also kind of wanted to hear the music and what was going on in the other shoes. So I kind of had them both running simultaneously. I thought the playlist was better on the other show, but those are songs that I know and artists that I know, so of course I appreciated that more.
[01:09:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I do want to just point something out. Not that I'm. This is not meant to take a dig at the other show, but I just. I thought it kind of comical afterwards. You're talking about all the reactions and everything, and they were like, we pulled 5 million VOT or 5 million viewers from the super bowl halftime show. I'm like, yeah, I had like 120 million viewers.
Like, there's a drop in the bucket.
[01:09:29] Speaker C: I don't think anybody expected the other one to.
[01:09:31] Speaker A: No, no, I. But I just. I just thought it was funny because it was. It was like such a big.
It was painted as such a big victory and it was like, politicized that I was like.
I mean.
[01:09:42] Speaker B: Well, I would say this. If you can get 5 million people to show up for a 17 minute event somewhere, like, that's a pretty.
[01:09:47] Speaker C: Pretty good.
[01:09:48] Speaker B: Pretty good undertaking. Fair. I mean, fair. I'm sure the people that organized that event are probably pleased with the fact that they had 5 million people tune into whatever their program was.
[01:09:56] Speaker A: That's fair.
[01:09:58] Speaker C: I think I missed, like, Brantley Gilbert and Gabby Barrett. I think they started it. I missed those ones. But I saw Kid Rock come out and he basically lip sang his song and then it went to like, a cello and a violinist, and it was very somber and boring, but it was kind of a memorial to Charlie Kirk as well, which Was nice. But then Kid Rock covered. Covered.
Who is he? He's a country singer. He covered a. A recent country singer song at the end and added a verse, and it was. It was pretty good. I feel like it was all very somber. It was all very somber.
[01:10:30] Speaker B: They did a lot of covers because I feel like Brantley Gilbert came out singing Jason Aldean songs. So, like, it felt like they were. It was just. I don't. I didn't.
[01:10:35] Speaker A: It was a Jason song, and he.
[01:10:37] Speaker C: Wrote who's the guy that sings like. And she's the pain or like, he's talking about his wife or Peyton. His life.
[01:10:43] Speaker A: And I know what you're talking about.
[01:10:44] Speaker B: Bad Bunny.
[01:10:45] Speaker C: Yeah, not Bad Bunny, but whatever. Kid Rock covered one of his songs. Songs.
[01:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I can't think of the artists, but I know what you're talking about.
The last point I wanted to make is, Kenny, you were talking about the NFL and, like, why would they. You know, it doesn't make sense. What? It makes perfect sense because the. The target demographic that you're talking about, they're going to continue to watch anyways.
[01:11:07] Speaker B: And that's probably true.
[01:11:08] Speaker A: Right. And. And everybody else, they're like, okay, we were able to draw in people from these other demographics that we don't usually get.
[01:11:13] Speaker C: We already got you. We know you're going to watch football still, so who cares about you?
[01:11:16] Speaker B: And that's fair. But what I would say then is, like, all the people that were like, this is the greatest halftime show of all time. It's like, if the NFL decided tomorrow that they were going to broadcast every game in Spanish going forward, I think you would lose their core drummer. Yeah. If exclusively said, hey, we're going to do this all in span. Because people loved it so much. Like, they would lose their core demographics really, really quickly because they'd be like, I don't know what they're saying. I don't know what they're saying. I don't speak Spanish. I don't know. Like, when that became a comment. Controversial or racist thing to go, I don't speak that. I don't speak a language that is not the primary language of the country that I live in. Like, I. Like, if I went to Portugal and I didn't speak Portuguese, like, I wouldn't expect them to. Not like, I don't know.
[01:11:58] Speaker C: It's a fabricated problem on social media to cause division.
[01:12:01] Speaker B: Yes.
That's what this whole thing became like. It became so political just for no reason. And I don't know, is there anything wrong with having choices. Like, I. I don't know. Like, some people probably also too tuned into the Puppy Bowl.
[01:12:12] Speaker C: Sure.
[01:12:12] Speaker B: Are they all racist?
[01:12:13] Speaker C: Because they, like, guy at work did that.
[01:12:15] Speaker A: Puppies are dope, man.
[01:12:16] Speaker C: He flat out told me this morning he turned on the Puppy Bowl.
[01:12:18] Speaker A: Puppies are dope.
[01:12:19] Speaker B: I mean, I've watched the Puppy bowl in the past when there were artists that I didn't care for doing the show. So I don't know. It's like, there's always been some alternative programming. This one just became overly political.
[01:12:28] Speaker A: I go back to what I said is most super bowl halftime shows aren't that great. I typically use them as like, bathroom break time, time to get more chips, more dip, more everything. Like, it's.
[01:12:37] Speaker B: I'll say this, though, I only half.
[01:12:39] Speaker A: Pay attention to any of them.
[01:12:40] Speaker B: I. Going back to the beginning of the year, the NFL debuted in Brazil this year and that Carol G performed. And I came out of that show and said, I didn't understand a word she said, but I loved the show.
[01:12:53] Speaker A: Yeah. We all know why.
[01:12:54] Speaker B: I thought the dancing in that was fantastic. The pyrotechnics, all the, the production of the whole event. But the difference to me, and that was. That was in Brazil.
[01:13:02] Speaker A: I know what the difference is. So.
[01:13:03] Speaker B: So the.
So the audience, there was a Spanish speaking audience, so it made sense to me that would have halftime entertainment for the audience in the country that they were in versus, like, makes a lot of sense. This is an American game in the United States. And I.
[01:13:18] Speaker A: Here's the deal, guys. I think the bottom line is no matter how much we talk about the halftime show, we as Burning over Sportscast are not going to sow unity in the United States. So there's so much divisiveness right now that it's not going to matter.
[01:13:30] Speaker C: So I will say I listened to some sports radio today and I feel like a lot of sports radio hosts were scared to even touch the topic that we touched on tonight because they're. They're sissies.
[01:13:40] Speaker B: I. I feel like I'm scared talking about it because I feel like this just to. Just the fact that I don't know or care for Bad Bunny. Like, I feel like I would get. I will get lumped in with people that are like, well, then you must be racist. Like, I don't know. Like, it's just not.
[01:13:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:13:54] Speaker B: I'm shocked to find out that he sings all of his songs in Spanish and that he has as big a following here as he does.
[01:14:01] Speaker A: First ever album to win album of the Year, then. And that's entirely inspired.
[01:14:05] Speaker B: I don't know any of any person on the planet that's like, hey, come listen to this new Spanish only album that I got. Like, I don't know, like, have you heard that new Spanish song?
[01:14:14] Speaker C: I mean, a common radio station around here with, like, modern pop is like 981, right?
[01:14:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:14:20] Speaker C: I don't think I've ever heard him on that radio station. Maybe I'm just missing it, but I don't think I've ever heard one of his songs on the radio station video here.
[01:14:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:14:28] Speaker C: I don't know. I think the whole thing is just a fabrication.
[01:14:31] Speaker A: It is interesting. And. And that's. You know, we don't get too political on our show because we. We like to be escapists. We don't want. We don't want you to deal with all that.
[01:14:39] Speaker B: I don't care either way. Right.
[01:14:40] Speaker A: Like, my point was just we shouldn't be afraid to talk about these things. Just because you didn't care for the halftime show, you shouldn't have to be afraid to say, I didn't care for the halftime show.
[01:14:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
It's a shame that that's the point that we're at in this country.
[01:14:52] Speaker A: It's a sign of the times.
[01:14:53] Speaker B: Like, everything has to be divisive.
[01:14:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:14:56] Speaker B: And, you know, make everybody angry and upset. Like, I don't know.
I don't know. I think there should be more halftime shows. I think there should be lots of halftime shows. And then every year I can just choose.
The thing was, that was difficult for me was like, I didn't want to miss anything on the main broadcast, or I don't want to miss, like, commercials coming in and out of the break that might be good or entertaining because the game was so flat. I was like, maybe one of these commercials will be good.
[01:15:21] Speaker A: I can talk about something.
[01:15:23] Speaker B: So that was. That was the hardest thing for me is just like, I don't know if there were 10 different halftime shows and I could just tune into the one I liked. Like, I still want to keep the main.
[01:15:32] Speaker A: It begs the question, does this become a thing going forward, not just for political reasons, but just because, like, now we're going to make our own halftime show?
[01:15:39] Speaker C: I think they're already doing. They're already planning on one next year. I think that's already been stated. The alternative halftime show is coming back next year.
[01:15:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I.
[01:15:49] Speaker A: Interesting.
[01:15:50] Speaker B: I mean, the thing is, is events like that.
[01:15:52] Speaker A: Right.
[01:15:52] Speaker B: If you can draw 5 million eyes to it, you sell advertising to that.
[01:15:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:15:56] Speaker C: So I will say the alternative halftime show featured a lot of country artists which never get featured in the super bowl ever.
[01:16:03] Speaker B: That's true. I don't remember.
[01:16:05] Speaker C: Probably the most popular genre of music.
[01:16:07] Speaker B: In this for a majority of our.
[01:16:09] Speaker C: Country, so I think that would make sense to do.
[01:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
It's also just a shame that, like, the NFL is taking itself to like, put its. Interject itself into things that become very political. Like, I don't know, they had. They had to. They knew what they were doing, right? Like, they knew it was going to cause controversy.
[01:16:28] Speaker A: And I think for it, I actually just saw it.
Culture vultures is what they call them, is they're like, no, this thing's going on and you guys are swooping in and. And you don't really care, but you're doing this just because.
[01:16:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. It's just like. You know who I did think performed really well and was very entertaining on Super Bowl Sunday was Green Day.
[01:16:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I was.
[01:16:50] Speaker B: I thought they put on a really good show.
[01:16:52] Speaker A: That was good. You know who looks really old? Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi.
[01:16:55] Speaker B: Yeah. When he stood up, I was like, well, my mom is going to be so excited.
[01:16:57] Speaker A: But I. He was gonna drop right there. I was like, oh, my God, he's.
[01:17:01] Speaker B: Looking more like Neil diamond these days.
[01:17:03] Speaker A: That was why they put his name up. And I was like, no way.
I had no idea that's who that was.
[01:17:08] Speaker B: He's grayer than I am.
[01:17:10] Speaker A: And that's great. That's great. You're. Yeah, that's great. Moving on here, I thought.
[01:17:15] Speaker B: Just real quick, I thought Green Day did an excellent job of the. What you said, which is like squeezing all their greatest hits into like a 10 minute spiel. I was like that. Well done.
[01:17:23] Speaker A: Actually, now that you mentioned Green Day, I have one more thing about just halftime shows in general is I heard so many people saying, why can't we have like. And they would name just a random rock band. And I'm like, all of these guys are either dead or almost dead. Like, we can't just keep having them. They can't even perform.
[01:17:39] Speaker B: And you know, it's just like the super bowl halftime show being causing discontent is now just almost like an annual rite of passage. Like, it doesn't matter who they pick, everybody. Somebody's going to be pissed about it.
So I don't know if you just feels like a problem that's never going to go away now. Like, they could put Elton John up there and half the country would be like, elton John. Sucks.
[01:17:56] Speaker A: Like I I heard a saying it was like all the.
[01:17:59] Speaker B: I think they did. I think Elton John did do a half.
[01:18:00] Speaker A: All the people that listen to your music's too loud and we don't like it have now grown up and everybody's music is too loud and we don't like it.
[01:18:07] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:18:08] Speaker A: So it's. I mean that's where we're at. But let's move on here. Let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, so in around the NFL this week and actually before we get started around the NFL we have a breaking breaking for today. We record on Mondays breaking news to us.
[01:18:30] Speaker B: It won't be.
[01:18:30] Speaker A: It won't be to you but David Ajoku just put some some things out there on Instagram. Kenny, go ahead with with with this story.
[01:18:40] Speaker B: So David and Joku has officially confirmed his tenure as a Brown is over, which is quite dichotomous point of view. From where he was in November when he said he ain't going nowhere, he ain't fucking leaving to the now he's basically said it's time for me to find a new home.
[01:18:59] Speaker A: You know. What's happened between now and then? Harold Fannin Jr.
[01:19:03] Speaker B: Partly. Yeah. Yeah.
I find it hard to believe that in Joku was like solidly in the Stefanski camp. It'll be interesting to see.
[01:19:12] Speaker A: No, I don't think that was it at all.
[01:19:13] Speaker B: If he ends up in they had.
[01:19:15] Speaker A: No offense with him. He probably didn't like him.
[01:19:17] Speaker B: It'll be interesting to see if he ends up in Atlanta with Stefanski. That would certainly make for some headlines.
Look, I, I know that there's a lot of people that like David and Joku, myself included, but I have always prefaced that idea with like David and Joku never really became what he could have been here. And part of that is bad coaching, bad quarterback. Sure, those things are all fair but.
[01:19:48] Speaker A: Sorry real quick but a lot of.
[01:19:50] Speaker B: It is just him not hitting his potential.
[01:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah, he'll be tight end too. In, in Atlanta, Kyle Pitts is number one.
He had 928 receiving yards.
[01:19:58] Speaker B: He had a good year this year, but he's kind of been hit or miss too. I think if you look it's interesting. I think if you look at his season totals year by year, I think he had one touchdown in season two, two touchdowns in or in season one, two touchdowns in season two, three touchdowns in season three, four touchdowns in season five, four.
[01:20:14] Speaker A: I think Kyle Pitts and David Ajoku are actually very similar. They're like tight ends that are supposed to be really good and they end.
[01:20:20] Speaker B: Up, yeah, they have a lot of potential.
So, you know. But at the end of the day, what I've said all along this season is you have to blow this offense up.
So as much as I like David and Joku and I wish he could have retired a Brown, I don't know that this is a bad thing. This may be very much addition through attrition or addition by subtraction. Like, this now opens them up for, you know, remaking the offense in some kind of meaningful way. Whether they go out.
[01:20:51] Speaker A: I mean, he was a big part of the offense this year, but you could expand. Harold Fanning juniors. Maybe they Bone likes to call him Harold Fanning.
[01:20:57] Speaker B: Fanning.
[01:20:58] Speaker C: Fanning.
[01:20:59] Speaker B: So whether they bring in a veteran guy that can kind of spell him, spell Fanning, or whether they go draft another rookie, like, there's a lot of options here. But at the end of the day, like, everything about this offense has to change.
And it's partly why, like, I am rooting for Shador and I want him to get a shot, but I'm also not going to be brokenhearted if they do go get somebody else or draft somebody else. Like, this offense is bad. It's been the worst offense, really, the last two years, and they need to totally remake things. And I keep hearing, like, you know, a lot of talk, especially on local radio about, like, oh, well, they hope Antonio comes back and Wyatt Teller. And yeah, like, I like those guys, too, but frankly, like, they've been on the team and this offense has been bad.
And not to say Joe Batonio is bad, He's a Hall of Famer in his own right, but he's Also, you know, 100 years old in NFL time, so, you know, I don't know that I need him to have a successful offensive.
I think they can do it without him. Not that. Not that I want to see Betonio go, but, like, I just. Everybody's getting all caught up in the. The. I love this player and I want to see him stay.
This whole thing needs redone. It needs a makeover in the worst way.
[01:22:17] Speaker A: Yeah, totally agree. And yeah, I mean, I think it's. I think it is going to end up being that addition through subtraction. I mean, a lot of these guys are just disgruntled in. In general. Like, sure, to me, David and Joku all last season, even though he was saying all the right things to the media, if you kind of just watched his facial expressions and some of the things he said. And not. Not what he said, but like the way he said them.
It just seemed to me like there was something. Something bubbling under the surface there where it's like, I'm not quite happy here, which I can't blame you. I can't blame anybody on the offense that was unhappy in Cleveland. Blame anybody.
[01:22:51] Speaker B: I think, in. Joku's been here for what, nine years, Is that right?
[01:22:54] Speaker C: Yeah, nine years.
[01:22:56] Speaker B: So if you've been somewhere for nine years and never tasted success and know that we're starting over again, as a football player, you have a finite amount of time to accomplish anything, especially him.
[01:23:10] Speaker A: He plays a skill position on offense. He's a big guy. So.
[01:23:13] Speaker B: Yeah, like, that body is. Is. I mean, he's a machine, but it's not going to last forever. Right?
[01:23:17] Speaker A: I mean, he broke his.
What it was a broken collarbone or whatever it was at the end of the season this year.
[01:23:23] Speaker C: Was it this year?
[01:23:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:23:25] Speaker B: Like when.
[01:23:26] Speaker A: With like three games to go, didn't he land on his shoulder?
[01:23:28] Speaker B: I remember what it was, but. But the thing is, like, if you're David and Joku, could you be a weapon for a real football team? Like, if he went to the Rams next year and got to catch balls from Matt Stafford, like, can you imagine what a weapon he would be in an offense like that?
There's just so many plays. I mean, he could go to Buffalo. Like, there's a lot of places and a lot of teams that would like. Like that. That is a playmaker.
[01:23:54] Speaker A: Hyperextended knee. I wasn't even close.
[01:23:56] Speaker B: No, wrong joint, but.
So he has a lot of options on the table. And you spent nine years here in futility and you kind of look at it and go, is this going to get better next year? Are we even sure we got the right guy as the head coach? These guys aren't even sold on the quarterback. So there's so much uncertainty on this offense and with this team in general, it would be hard. Just. I mean, it's why I'm every. I surprised and I think everybody's surprised at my. Signed the extension that he did. Right. Like, this team's probably not going anywhere for the next couple of years. And as much as a Browns fan, that pains me to say it's prob. The probable reality.
[01:24:32] Speaker A: Yeah. The other thing with David Najoku is he's actually in a unique position for the Browns to actually potentially get something out of him. Is he still under contract or is it. Was that the end of his contract?
[01:24:42] Speaker B: I think that was the end of his. I think he was due for an extension this year.
[01:24:45] Speaker A: Unrestricted free agents. So nevermind. You could take that out.
[01:24:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Scheduled to be a free agent.
[01:24:52] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah, I mean I agree with you.
The offense is bad. It needs to get better.
[01:24:58] Speaker B: I mean frankly. Let's go back to this year. There were times before the trade deadline that we said probably should move a guy like David and Joku.
[01:25:05] Speaker C: Could.
[01:25:05] Speaker B: Could you have got a fifth round pick for him then?
[01:25:07] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:25:08] Speaker B: Now he's. If you finish the season with him and you're going to get nothing for him. So. So yeah, like probably a guy that should have been moved a while ago for something when you could have got it and now you're stuck.
Which, you know, another move right on the Andrew Barry chessboard. Makes a lot of sense.
[01:25:26] Speaker A: Here's a fun fact. We always talk about Andrew Barry moving numbers around.
We have a 2026 dead cap hit of 24.3 million for David Najoku because of all the previous restructures and added void years.
[01:25:39] Speaker B: So nice.
[01:25:40] Speaker A: You know, eventually you got to pay these guys. Just saying.
But yeah, we'll move on from David Najoku because the Browns are as well.
[01:25:49] Speaker B: Well David and Joker is moving on from the Browns.
[01:25:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Clint Kubiak confirms he will be the head coach of the Raiders after the Super Bowl. Last night he paraphrasing. But in his post game interview he basically said oh you guys all know I'm going to the Raiders. And they tried to act like oh really, are you going to the Raiders? Like hell yeah, I'm going to the Raiders.
So that's news. All the coaching jobs have been filled. I think there was 10 of them this year which is wild.
Next up, Seahawks kicker Jason Myers is the NFL's first 200 point scorer for a season.
This after a record setting five field goals in Super bowl was a Super Bowl 60, 65 Super. I didn't even realize he had five field goals. Like I knew it was.
[01:26:33] Speaker B: He scored all the points.
[01:26:35] Speaker A: He should have been MVP. I should. Shouldn't have been Kenneth Walker Jr.
[01:26:37] Speaker B: I mean I think when you, when you add in. When you add in his extra points, I think he had like 17 or 18 points for the game. Like just him.
[01:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah. That's wild.
He definitely should have been the mvp.
Next up here, real quick, just to.
[01:26:52] Speaker B: Kind of put that in perspective. You know we had Hopkins Palooza here when he was the leading scorer in Brownsville. 130 like 130 points. So 200 is a monster year.
Is a monster Year.
[01:27:06] Speaker A: That's like, you got to be basically 100% from like 50 plus, too. Like, you got to hit everything.
[01:27:10] Speaker B: You got to hit everything, you know, your extra points.
[01:27:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's. That's pretty crazy. Next up, Puka Nakua tweeted out during the super bowl, just quote Sam Darnold with a cry. Laughing face emoji.
[01:27:21] Speaker B: Same, same.
[01:27:25] Speaker C: It's hilarious.
[01:27:27] Speaker A: So.
But Seahawks linebacker Ernest Jones, the fourth after the game, clapped back and responded to him, quote, ain't you at home, goofy ass?
Nice.
[01:27:40] Speaker C: I like this smack talk. This is, like, right up my alley.
[01:27:43] Speaker A: Yeah. So it was just pretty funny to see.
[01:27:44] Speaker B: Not only come to social media, you'll see some of it.
[01:27:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:27:48] Speaker B: You can join.
[01:27:49] Speaker A: You can be there.
[01:27:50] Speaker B: It's free.
[01:27:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:27:51] Speaker C: Zoinks. G willikers.
[01:27:54] Speaker A: But yeah. So it's just a funny exchange. Next up.
[01:27:57] Speaker B: I know. I still don't. I mean, Sam Darnold is some champion. Del Moon, though. Like, I still don't believe it. Like, like, it's just. It sounds weird coming out of the.
[01:28:05] Speaker A: Mouth speaking of the Spanish stuff. You keep speaking Spanish here, and I just have to tell the story. A fond memory I have, also a bitter memory I have of a coach of ours in high school. We all played high school football together, and in practice one day, mind you, this guy, he's a big guy. He was. He was. He was big. And he was the wide receivers coach. I don't know why, like, if you look to anybody on our staff, if you look to anyone on our staff, you would never pick him as the wide receivers coach.
[01:28:34] Speaker B: To be fair, Todd Monken doesn't necessarily look like an offensive player.
[01:28:38] Speaker A: That's true.
I digress. But anyways, Kenny and I were receivers. I know you want to think that looking at Kenny now, but we were. We were receivers.
[01:28:45] Speaker B: It's like 20 years ago, man.
[01:28:48] Speaker A: I'm just saying, like, I've lived more.
[01:28:50] Speaker B: Of my life since high school than I did up until high school. Lots changed.
[01:28:54] Speaker C: That's a good point.
[01:28:55] Speaker A: That's good. That is a good point. But anyways, we're sitting there, you know, I'm actually playing like, like the wide receivers quarterback for the day because I had torn my quad at this point, and Kenny and all the other receivers are running routes, and the wide receivers coach tells me, well, somebody started speaking Spanish. I forget what it was.
[01:29:18] Speaker B: It was mostly us.
[01:29:19] Speaker A: Yeah. We were all just speaking Spanish amongst ourselves.
[01:29:21] Speaker B: We took a lot of Spanish in school.
[01:29:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And then finally, finally our receivers coach looks at us. He says, next person who speaks Spanish is running laps. And so me being the dickhead that I was in high school, I said, lo siento, meno hablo ingles.
And instantly he told me, that's it. Cans go run.
Which dropped my real name here, but that's it. Red Hot Ronnie jams. You got to go run. So again, torn quad.
I can barely walk, let alone run. And I do a slow. So I have to slow jog around, around the field. He promptly forgets that I'm running, and three hours later asks.
[01:29:59] Speaker B: This was back in the old 2A days.
[01:30:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:30:01] Speaker B: Like the rest of the first practice.
[01:30:03] Speaker A: And in all the way through the second practice, finally you guys went and ate lunch. You had the full break, everything. And finally he asked somebody, hey, where's James at? Where's James at? And I think it was you. You're like, he's still running.
[01:30:18] Speaker B: You told him to start running and not stop.
[01:30:20] Speaker A: Yeah. And so for. I think it was a total of literally like two and a half hours I was running, running on a torn quad during 2A days.
[01:30:28] Speaker B: You know who would not have liked Bad Bunny's halftime show?
[01:30:31] Speaker A: That guy. Yeah. Our wide receivers coach. You would have really not liked it. But anyways, I digress.
I know earlier I said we talked about. Oh, we would talk about James Pierce Jr. Again. Well, it's time. It's time. James Pierce Jr.
Yeah. As or James Pierce Jr. Was arrested this past week after what? Doral, I think that's how you pronounce it. Doral. Doral, police said, was a domestic dispute with WNBA player Rekia Jackson.
Pierce was arrested after crashing his car. He faces five felony charges, including.
These are his actual charges. Fleeing or eluding police with lights or siren. Aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. Aggravated stalking. Aggravated battery involving a law enforcement officer. Officer. And resisting an officer without violence to. To his person, according to details of the. Listen to these details. This gets pretty wild here, so just buckle up.
According to the details of the arrest in the complaint slash arrest affidavit, Pierce allegedly refused an initial order from police to get on the floor when they responded to the report of domestic dispute. He then drove away and hit a police officer's left knee with his Lamborghini Intention quote, intentionally in an attempt to evade arrest.
He then wrecked his vehicle and continued in his attempt to elude police. Police. By running. By running. Before being apprehended following a short struggle.
And then the police account said Rekia Jackson told police she ended the relationship with Pierce after three years and blocked his phone number before Pierce continued to contact her by using a different number.
And then according to that police account, Jackson told police she attempted to drive away from him and she was driving toward the police station to seek help when he intentionally collided, quote, intentionally collided into the rear of her vehicle with his SUV multiple times before police arrived.
[01:32:28] Speaker C: Dang.
[01:32:30] Speaker B: What the really bad job out of him.
[01:32:36] Speaker A: He's got to be done, right?
[01:32:37] Speaker C: Like, I think he took the not winning defensive rookie very seriously.
[01:32:42] Speaker A: Is that what happened? He. He got the news and he just, just. It broke him.
[01:32:47] Speaker B: Maybe his girlfriend dumped him because he didn't win.
[01:32:49] Speaker A: Maybe I'm only staying with you if you're winning rookie of the year.
[01:32:52] Speaker B: No, we probably shouldn't joke about that. But. But all jokes aside, he's facing felony counts.
[01:32:57] Speaker A: Yeah. This is a serious situation. We, we apologize.
[01:33:00] Speaker B: Really bad. Look, I mean, here's the thing, right? This could go either way. The NFL has become kind of a laughing stock for how they treat these matters. Right. Deshaun Watson was allowed to play with a short suspension.
[01:33:11] Speaker A: And you got Kevin accountability.
[01:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, I did.
[01:33:17] Speaker C: Have ten and a half sacks as rookie.
[01:33:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:33:20] Speaker A: No accountability.
[01:33:21] Speaker B: As long as they put up numbers, right, they can do pretty much whatever they want. So it's going to be really interesting and really telling, I think, how the NFL handles this, how the Falcons handle this.
Because.
[01:33:31] Speaker A: And to be fair to the NFL, not that I, you know, always do that because nobody needs to be fair to the NFL. They're a multi billion dollar organization.
But they have been burned in the past as far as far as like they rushed to me. Like there's been a number of times where they've rushed to judgment. Then it comes out later that it wasn't exactly what had happened to be what was reported to begin with.
[01:33:51] Speaker B: True.
[01:33:52] Speaker A: The allegations, I'm saying that happened here. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just.
[01:33:54] Speaker B: The allegations and charges always look worse. But this is a country, you know, rooted on like innocent until proven guilty. So the NFL has a responsibility there to. At the same judiciously.
[01:34:06] Speaker A: This is pretty damn.
[01:34:08] Speaker B: It's not good. I mean, this isn't. This, this goes pretty far and away beyond a lot of the other incidents that we've seen even in Cleveland recently where like this is pretty clear and cut. I mean, you know what's wild and the sirens on and you still keep running away. That's usually your time to stop, you.
[01:34:27] Speaker A: Know, you know what's wild and this should, should not be the case at all. That's not what I'm saying. But you know what's wild? The fact that it was Rekia Jackson and an active WNBA star.
It's almost like she has more credibility than just an average woman. It shouldn't be that way, but she's a public figure. That's what I'm saying.
[01:34:44] Speaker B: So, like, it certainly draws more media attention and more eyes to it.
[01:34:49] Speaker C: There's that and there's probably body cam footage.
[01:34:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:34:53] Speaker C: And police and police dash cam footage. If he was running from them and his.
[01:34:57] Speaker A: That's going to be released because it's body cam footage.
[01:34:59] Speaker B: We're going to see where, like, this guy's facing five felony counts versus, like, a lot of these end up. Like, hey, there was a domestic issue. We're not sure what happened, but there was an allegation that it was domestic abuse or whatever.
Where this is like, okay, not only do you have the issue with the girlfriend, but you also have the issue with the police, which these types of accounts, fleeing and eluding police and assaulting police, like, those aren't things that are necessarily he said, she said. We're trying to figure out facts after the fact and determine what happened. Like, regardless of what happened between you and the girlfriend, once the police got involved, more bad stuff happened. Yeah, that is probably pretty clear to Bones. Point was probably on camera in. In some cases. So.
But at the end of the day, like, the NFL can do what the NFL wants to do, and the NFL could probably stand up and say six game suspension and get away. Away with, like, justice served.
[01:35:56] Speaker C: Sure. As long as he's not in jail.
[01:35:58] Speaker B: As long as he's not in jail, he'll be playing.
[01:35:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty wild.
[01:36:00] Speaker B: And you know, these types of, like, court cases can spend months and months, take a long time in litigation.
[01:36:06] Speaker A: So, yeah, it'll be pretty wild to see what happens. I will say this the. I know, I know I said all jokes aside, but just one more. The rookie of the year conversations quieted down real quick after this.
[01:36:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[01:36:19] Speaker A: Nobody was complaining anymore.
[01:36:21] Speaker B: Here's the other thing too, is NFL clubs do their due diligence. Right. Like, they're going to know pretty quickly. Early on there's body cam footage of him hitting a police officer.
[01:36:32] Speaker A: Or even like the quote is there was a struggle in quotes, like, if there's any sort of like pushing or.
[01:36:37] Speaker B: Shoving or fist at a police, like someone like that, like hit a police.
[01:36:42] Speaker A: Officer with his Lamborghini, they.
[01:36:43] Speaker B: They should be the one to take swift action there as opposed to letting the NFL go. Okay. We gotta wait for the court case to play out because if you know this guy is either a headed for jail or like it's going be bad, don't do anything.
[01:36:54] Speaker A: As soon as that comes out as a firestorm for you as the NFL.
[01:36:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:36:58] Speaker B: I mean you go back to like the Kareem Hunt video like when that hit public airwaves, like you don't have another choice. You have to cut ties with that guy.
[01:37:06] Speaker A: So Bone, and I know you said just to, to bring up teams doing their due diligence. The odd thing was you said something about his mom was giving some sort of speech.
[01:37:17] Speaker B: Well, she talked at the award ceremony just about his character and work ethic. Whatever. Like it was, you know, NFL ceremony, award ceremony.
[01:37:25] Speaker A: Which is just really bad timing for all this to go down.
[01:37:28] Speaker B: Yeah. That aged poorly.
[01:37:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
But moving on. FCS powerhouse, not NFL related related, but we're gonna switch over to NFL adjacent. Yeah. FCS powerhouse North Dakota State has made the transition to the FBS and joined the Mountain West.
Guys, thoughts here. You think they're gonna still dominate in the FPS?
[01:37:50] Speaker B: I saw a picture of their field house and it's like a really barn looking thing.
Interesting to see if they get crowds from like other. Like it's pretty small and stuff. Like it'll be interesting to see if they can handle crowds from real conferences.
[01:38:03] Speaker A: It's going to take a while before they like grow.
[01:38:05] Speaker C: Who is in this new conference?
[01:38:07] Speaker A: The Mountain West.
[01:38:08] Speaker C: Let me look that up.
[01:38:09] Speaker B: Mountain West. So it's like Mountain west and Mac. I think like, I think it's all those types of teams, so.
But they've got a lot of players in the NFL.
[01:38:19] Speaker C: Air Force, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Northern Illinois, San Jose State, unlv, UTEP and Wyoming.
[01:38:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I would guess they'll be successful in that division to an extent. I mean this is a team that consistently wins and have have birthed a lot of it.
[01:38:37] Speaker A: Like anybody that's in this division are football powerhouses. So you have a chance to establish, establish yourself as the dominant player in the Mountain west right away.
[01:38:47] Speaker B: NIL has changed things. Right. I mean if you can get the right boosters on board. Because I know there was, I don't know all the details, but I know there were financial like significant financial ramifications for entering a conference. And then there's contracts stipulations for if you have to exit the conference. Like if this doesn't work out, that is in the like high millions of dollars to these schools. So they obviously have some you know, big donors, you know, playing here. It's really, it has changed the NFL in, in a big way too because.
[01:39:17] Speaker A: A lot of guys just go back.
[01:39:18] Speaker B: A lot of guys go back to school now. So it almost thins out the draft a little bit because you don't have.
[01:39:23] Speaker A: Well, if they don't like their position, they don't like who they think is going to take them. They're like, I'll do another year.
[01:39:27] Speaker B: Well. And it almost just begs the question of. We, we've talked recently about like the mega contracts the quarterbacks get and how they used to get way bigger contracts and we've kind of toned that down to where the contracts are much more palatable for rookies. Do they get to a point where you have to increase again the rookie contracts or fully guarantee rookie contracts to entice guys to come out early? Because.
[01:39:48] Speaker A: Well, most of the rookie contracts have gone. At least the first and second rounders have gone to fully guarantee.
[01:39:53] Speaker B: Well, yeah, those. You're always going to have the top 30 to 60 guys that are really good, that are like, hey, I'm going to be an NFL like starter right away.
But the guys that NFL teams used to be able to get, they were fifth and sixth round talent. You could turn into good players.
Those guys can make the same amount of money playing in college another year.
[01:40:09] Speaker A: I think, I think they're very soon there's going to come a time where basically every draft pick has a fully guaranteed contract.
[01:40:16] Speaker B: You almost have to just entice guys to come out. So.
[01:40:19] Speaker A: And let's not sleep on North Dakota State in general, they do have over 20 former Bisons on active NFL rosters, including Carson Wentz is the biggest, biggest name that everybody probably knows. So not that he's doing too hot right now, but he was top draft picked draft pick when he came out.
[01:40:36] Speaker B: So there's a lot of guys from, from there. So yeah, just I don't know for them like. We'll see what happens.
[01:40:44] Speaker A: Yep. And then final story and around the NFL again, not NFL related but just relevant because we're in Cleveland here. James Harden debuted for the Cavs on Saturday.
The Cavs beat the lowly Kings 132 to 126.
Interestingly, it was pretty close.
But on the other hand, James Harden had 23 points, eight assists. Donovan Mitchell had 35 points and Jared Allen had 29 and 10.
So it's pretty seamless transition here. He's already fitting in, putting up big numbers for the Cavs. So do you guys think this trade, first of all, did you like the trade? Darius Garland and James Harden, did you like the trade?
[01:41:23] Speaker C: I, I liked it from the standpoint of just Garland's hurt all the time and Harden is not. And he's been, he's had a great year.
[01:41:30] Speaker A: He's had a resurgence this year. Yeah.
[01:41:32] Speaker C: And just the, the shakeup of it, it's been. I don't watch basketball every day, but.
[01:41:36] Speaker A: They ripped off like 17. They, they, they were last year they started really slow. The Clippers did this year. And then James Harden started playing well and they ripped off like 17 of 19 or something like that at one point to get back into playoff.
[01:41:48] Speaker C: So I like, I like the shakeup. I think it makes the rest of the season a little more interesting.
[01:41:55] Speaker B: It's to me like this is a big swing move, right? This is a hey, we're playing for this year move.
To me it felt like it was a big swing that was almost there. It almost felt like there needed to be one more move to kind of make this like if you're going to truly go all in, put all your cards on the table. And I feel like, felt like they fell just shy of that.
To where James Harden, the addition there probably puts them in the top three teams in the east.
But is it enough to guarantee NBA Finals slot? I don't know.
Just felt like they're going to be just shy of that, at least from a personnel standpoint. So it'll be interesting to see. Look, I like the fact that Cavs basketball is relevant. I think in a lot of ways this goes back to LeBron James. Right. If LeBron James hadn't been born in Akron, Ohio and become the phenom and made Cleveland a relevant destination and a championship team that had other young talent here and other, you know, just high end organization that was willing to Then after LeBron left, go get a guy like Donovan Mitchell, all that kind of comes back then to LeBron. Like if LeBron hadn't been here, we could be a really lowly NFL franchise or NBA franchise.
[01:43:10] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. And we were. Until they came here.
[01:43:12] Speaker B: We were. Yeah. I mean there could have been a long two and and a half decades. Like thank God for LeBron.
[01:43:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I'll say. As far as the trade goes, if first when they first announced it, I was like, James Harden, isn't he like way past his prime now? And like he started, but, but then I started looking to it and granted I'm not a huge NBA fan, especially regular season, I get pretty into it in the playoffs, but the regular season I could, I don't really care.
So I didn't realize that he is having a big resurgence this year.
[01:43:40] Speaker B: He's played really well.
[01:43:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And Darius Garland, on the other hand, I, being a cast fan, I, I at least know what's going on with the Cavs all the time. And to your point, Bone, Darius Garland's always hurt. Always hurt. He's been hurt almost this entire season.
It seems like the potential is all there, but we're never going to get the potential because he can't stay on the court.
[01:43:59] Speaker C: Sure.
[01:44:00] Speaker B: And it's just a rental type move. Right. It's like, okay, can you, can you pick off a championship this year? Like does this move? Because if you did that, if you want an NBA championship, everybody's going to go, hey, good move. You know, and maybe you can figure it out for next year too. Like you contend for a year or.
[01:44:15] Speaker A: Two because of that and I don't think it puts you back at all. I mean, I know they had. There was draft picks that switched places, whatever the case may be. But like losing Darius, Darius Garland I don't think is a big deal because I think he's going to continue to deal with all these things for the rest of his career and you're never going to reach where you wanted to get with him anyway.
[01:44:33] Speaker B: So it's kind of like really bad. Bad mega toe or grand toe or whatever they call it. Great toe.
[01:44:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And so it's to me, it's kind.
[01:44:39] Speaker B: Of like 14 times.
[01:44:41] Speaker A: It's like what you were talking about with the Browns. It's like, is this addition by subtraction? Because at some point you just gotta, you just gotta rip the band aid off and say we gotta move on.
[01:44:50] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:44:50] Speaker B: And I give the Cavs credit for that. Right. I mean a lot of organizations would be looking at a 26 year old that's going to be a score and a star to some extent for the next 10 years.
[01:45:00] Speaker A: Trade him for a 36 year old.
[01:45:01] Speaker B: You'll get a 30, 36 year old to win now. Like I give.
[01:45:04] Speaker A: That being said, James Harden probably does have a few more years left, so.
[01:45:07] Speaker B: Give them credit for at least making moves.
[01:45:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. So all in all, I ended up liking. I think it's a good move, especially if the Cavs want to try and win now.
[01:45:15] Speaker B: And if they lose this year, you probably were going to lose. It's like, just like the NFL. One team wins, everything has to kind of go right.
And you know, you wait till the NBA.
[01:45:25] Speaker C: They have a better chance at the the finals with Harden. They did before.
[01:45:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
[01:45:30] Speaker B: Agreed.
[01:45:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And so, yeah, James Harden's a cab. Now, I never thought I'd be saying that, but here we are.
[01:45:37] Speaker B: Cavs are relevant.
[01:45:38] Speaker A: Yep. All right.
All right. So now let's do King of the North.
Just real quick. King of the north here to say that Kenny lost. He's a clown. He's gonna get his butthole waxed.
And I won. I'm the king. How's that feel, Kenny?
[01:46:08] Speaker B: Were you the first person in your family to stand upright?
You should really come with a warning label.
[01:46:16] Speaker A: You love being friends with me.
And with that, let me remind everybody to call the burning version Sportscast. Hot take outline. Hot take.
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[01:46:28] Speaker C: We want three.
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And be sure to check out our gear www.the happymedia.com backslash shop. And that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect next week?
[01:46:54] Speaker B: What can we expect next week?
You can expect nothing.
[01:46:58] Speaker A: Nothing. Nada. Nada. That's Spanish.
[01:47:01] Speaker B: We will nada. We will not be live on Sunday night or for the rest of the season, really, because the season is over. That's. We will not be back next Thursday either. That's it. This is season four. We're officially.
[01:47:13] Speaker A: This is like Monopoly. You cannot. You will not pass go. You will not collect 200.
[01:47:18] Speaker B: We're officially on break cation.
So this was season four. That's a wrap.
Good season.
[01:47:25] Speaker A: That's pretty good.
[01:47:26] Speaker B: Glad we came back to do another one game.
[01:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I will say this.
The level of podcasting done here was far greater than a level of football being played by the Cleveland Browns.
[01:47:38] Speaker B: Should we go the way of Meow Mix next year and cancel this thing? No, no, keep it rolling.
[01:47:42] Speaker A: No, I ain't. A little.
[01:47:43] Speaker B: Just to keep talking about how bad the Browns are forever.
[01:47:46] Speaker A: Meow Mix. You guys are. Fight me.
[01:47:50] Speaker B: The gauntlet has been thrown down.
But you can stay tuned into our social media all off season long. We'll post things from time to time.
[01:47:58] Speaker A: We'll put some stuff out there.
[01:47:59] Speaker B: Lots of videos and things. All off season long, keep you guys engaged and can all always revisit our greatest hits.
[01:48:05] Speaker A: Let's be honest here. We take the off season off because just like you Browns fans out there.
[01:48:10] Speaker B: We need a break.
[01:48:11] Speaker A: We need a break. If you just stay depressed all year long, then eventually you're gonna just, you're gonna lose it, you're gonna snap and I'll probably. I'll probably do something bad to my co host here.
[01:48:20] Speaker B: We'll at least be back though, periodically throughout the off season. So we'll have a draft special.
We'll have a couple of events that we're doing with Browns backers.
[01:48:28] Speaker A: So the ones we know about right now is we we will have our live draft show.
What was the date of that? April 23rd.
[01:48:34] Speaker B: I think I said late April 2026.
[01:48:38] Speaker A: April 23rd will be our live draft special. We'll have a bunch of guests on there, different brownsbackers groups.
Probably our good friend John John Hughes, Big John Hughes will probably make an appearance. Don't want to speak for him. Haven't talked to him yet. But I'm sure he probably will.
But so live draft special we'll probably do some sort of show for free agency once that's all wrapped up and done and we'll be on about to.
[01:49:01] Speaker B: Meet brownsbackers in the off season.
[01:49:03] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll be out and about to meet them. We North Jersey Brownsbackers. Yes. I'm allowed to say that because it's on your hat. That's true. The North Jersey Brownsbackers. North Jersey. North Jersey Brownsbackers, whatever you call them will be at their njbb. Yeah. Angry Open this year.
We might be. Was it the Tuscaroras?
[01:49:20] Speaker B: Tuscaroras Bowling Bowl a thon.
[01:49:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
Stay tuned for that. We'll probably have something going on with them for their their bowling event that they're doing. We might do one other one before the season starts. We don't know.
[01:49:31] Speaker B: But we'll go wherever they invite us.
[01:49:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:49:34] Speaker B: As long as all the schedules align.
[01:49:36] Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna do big things. So.
[01:49:38] Speaker B: But then we'll be back in the summertime late summer.
[01:49:42] Speaker A: We started early August this year, pretty.
[01:49:44] Speaker B: Much around the time the preseason starts. So we should have all kinds of fun Browns news and changes to basically spend two or three hours talking about every week.
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You know what that takes us to, Kenny? The final edition of Facts for days.
What do you got for us?
[01:50:47] Speaker B: I should have done Spanish Facts.
[01:50:49] Speaker C: Oh, that'd be great.
[01:50:50] Speaker B: You really Spanish whale facts in Spanish the whole time? I say whale facts number one.
No, it's not whale facts number one.
Only two days. Days in your life aren't a full 24 hours long.
[01:51:12] Speaker A: The day you're born and the day you die.
[01:51:15] Speaker B: That's the fact.
[01:51:16] Speaker A: Wow.
That's it. That's your. What if you died exactly midnight?
[01:51:22] Speaker B: Well, you would also have to be born at exactly midnight.
[01:51:24] Speaker A: That's true. Good. Good call.
Good call instantly.
Yeah. Okay.
Fair.
[01:51:33] Speaker B: Something to think about.
Make all that time matter or something.
[01:51:37] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:51:38] Speaker B: Whatever bullshit you came up with. Number two.
[01:51:41] Speaker A: Number two, worst fact you've ever given. I'm just gonna throw that out there.
[01:51:45] Speaker B: I'm throwing in the towel, man. It's the end of the year. Number two.
Based on statistical analyses alone, with data composed of crime statistics, homicide rates, population size and interaction of assumptions, the average person will cross paths with anywhere between 14 to 36 murderers during their lifetime.
[01:52:06] Speaker A: Dang.
Glad I didn't. They didn't get me.
[01:52:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:52:10] Speaker A: At least not here.
[01:52:11] Speaker B: Doesn't mean they were out to get you. You just will come into contact with them.
[01:52:14] Speaker A: Dang.
That's a little scary.
[01:52:18] Speaker B: It's pretty wild.
[01:52:19] Speaker A: I saw.
[01:52:20] Speaker C: I know of one I've come in contact with.
[01:52:23] Speaker B: Bones keeping list.
[01:52:25] Speaker A: I actually know of one as well. That's weird.
Here's a weird thing is we moved away from our old, old house because.
[01:52:31] Speaker B: There was a murderer in it.
[01:52:32] Speaker A: No.
You know how you can look up like. Like. Like all the things for, like, anybody that's committed, like, like sexual Predator X. Like, he could see, like, the map of, like, where they live. Don't talk about.
[01:52:44] Speaker B: I'm gonna. I'm not gonna make a joke here.
[01:52:45] Speaker A: Yes, there one popped up like a block from where we used to live. It was wild and it was like he was. He was luring like middle school kids into it. I was like, dang.
[01:52:55] Speaker B: You thought you might get lured?
[01:52:57] Speaker A: No.
[01:52:58] Speaker B: We gotta get out of here.
[01:52:59] Speaker A: Good thing we moved.
[01:52:59] Speaker B: We gotta get out of here before I meet this guy.
[01:53:01] Speaker A: I might have punched his dick off.
[01:53:03] Speaker B: But that might have made you a sexual predator.
[01:53:07] Speaker A: I guess so.
Anyways, go on. Sorry, I was just thinking about this because I was like, I can't believe that.
[01:53:12] Speaker B: But anyway, pretty wild.
A lot of people, people in the world, there are. And some people kill sometimes for justifiable reasons. So not all murderers are bad.
[01:53:22] Speaker A: Like, like you're the biggest just piece of crap I've ever met in my life and I can't stand you at any time, so.
[01:53:29] Speaker B: So you wouldn't be surprised if someone killed me.
[01:53:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:53:31] Speaker B: I'm not going to do it for a justifiable reason.
[01:53:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:53:36] Speaker B: And number three, to appease my dear.
[01:53:40] Speaker A: Friends, we get one whale fact.
[01:53:42] Speaker B: A fine final fact of the year. That is a whale fact.
[01:53:45] Speaker A: Hell yes.
[01:53:46] Speaker C: No way.
[01:53:47] Speaker A: This is the greatest moment of this.
[01:53:48] Speaker B: Show, often referred to as the poop loop.
[01:53:55] Speaker A: Oh, this sounds good.
[01:53:57] Speaker B: Or more clinically, whale pump.
[01:54:00] Speaker A: Whale pump.
[01:54:01] Speaker C: I don't know where he's going with this.
[01:54:02] Speaker B: Whale pump.
[01:54:03] Speaker A: I'm so confused. Right now.
[01:54:04] Speaker B: Is the process in which whales dive deep into the ocean, eat anywhere from 5 to 30% of their body weight in. In krill, then come back to the surface and dump.
[01:54:17] Speaker A: What a bunch of dicks. They dump right at the surface.
[01:54:20] Speaker B: They're not dicks. They help you stay alive. Because what they leave behind, Moby Dick, are the essential nutrients required for phytoplankton to thrive and photosynthesize.
50 to 80% of the world's oxygen.
[01:54:36] Speaker A: No way.
[01:54:37] Speaker B: The whale. Whale poop basically becomes the air you breathe.
[01:54:41] Speaker A: The unsung hero of the unsung.
[01:54:43] Speaker B: Whale poop is the unsung hero of the biosphere.
[01:54:46] Speaker A: The whale poop is the unsung hero of the biosphere.
[01:54:51] Speaker C: I know what song we're singing on the sign off.
It's the circle of life.
[01:55:00] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:55:00] Speaker B: El circular.
[01:55:04] Speaker A: So Spanish over here for not liking Spanish. You've. You've spoken a lot. I didn't say.
[01:55:09] Speaker B: I don't like Spanish.
[01:55:10] Speaker C: It's always really good.
[01:55:11] Speaker B: I don't like Bad Bunny's music necessarily. That's all I don't like. I don't know.
[01:55:15] Speaker A: Well, you specifically complained that you didn't understand it, but you speak a lot.
[01:55:18] Speaker B: Of Spanish when he sings.
[01:55:21] Speaker C: It.
[01:55:21] Speaker B: It goes too fast. I'm like, there's a word. I know. That's one. There's one.
[01:55:25] Speaker A: Wow. That was one of your best whale facts yet.
[01:55:28] Speaker C: That was a good one.
[01:55:28] Speaker A: I don't know if it's as good as, like people swimming through veins and arteries and.
[01:55:31] Speaker B: But poop loop.
[01:55:32] Speaker C: Poop loop, poop loop.
[01:55:34] Speaker B: Or whale pump.
Whale pump. Essential to all human life.
[01:55:39] Speaker A: Whales.
[01:55:39] Speaker B: Who knew Whale.
[01:55:40] Speaker A: Whale poop is the unsung hero of the biosphere.
[01:55:43] Speaker B: Those phytoplankton absorb like four times more carbon dioxide than the entire Amazon rainforest.
[01:55:50] Speaker A: Wow. That's like a whole separate fact.
[01:55:53] Speaker B: Yeah, they're pretty essential to the survival of every living thing on Earth.
[01:55:57] Speaker A: If whales went extinct, we'd all be dead.
[01:56:00] Speaker B: The phytoplankton would sure have a hard time surviving, huh?
[01:56:05] Speaker A: Incredible.
[01:56:06] Speaker C: Amazing.
[01:56:07] Speaker A: This is why we love whale facts. Every time you give a whale fact, it's like the craziest fact I've ever heard in my entire life.
[01:56:13] Speaker B: It's the missing link.
[01:56:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:56:15] Speaker B: Didn't realize whale poop was that and.
[01:56:16] Speaker C: The thing they were just killing them for oil back in the day.
[01:56:18] Speaker A: Sons of true.
[01:56:20] Speaker B: They do make good deodorant though.
[01:56:21] Speaker A: Moby Dick. That's basically what that whole story is about killing whales for.
They messed with the wrong one though around and find out. You know what I'm saying?
[01:56:28] Speaker B: They found out the jaws of the whales.
[01:56:30] Speaker A: Whale world, call me Ishmael.
[01:56:33] Speaker B: Whales you definitely don't want to with because they will eat your whole boat.
[01:56:36] Speaker A: I'm going be honest with you. Moby Dick. Underrated book. I know it's a classic, but like, everybody today is like, Moby Dick sucks. Like, nah.
[01:56:45] Speaker B: Since it's the last episode of the year.
Speaking of whales bone, can you opine on? Is there any. You know the guy in the Bible, he was eaten by the whale. Is that like a real, like a literal story or was there just a big fish near his boat? Or like, what's the. What's the theological summary on this?
[01:57:02] Speaker C: Well, here's a fun fact.
[01:57:03] Speaker A: I am excited.
Nothing. The only thing better than whale facts is, is when we bring theology into.
[01:57:09] Speaker C: It, the story never actually says whale. It's always just assumed that it was a whale. Just says big fish.
So nobody knows if it was comfortable. It probably wasn't.
It was comfortable, but I would assume it was not.
[01:57:23] Speaker A: Not. But it's a literal story.
[01:57:24] Speaker C: He's always in the cartoons. Like he's in there with like a little torch and like rebelling. There's a whole Bunch of room. But I would imagine he was probably contracted in the big fish's stomach. Like.
[01:57:33] Speaker B: Like being swallowed by an anaconda.
[01:57:35] Speaker C: Stomach acid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And God kept him alive. And. And it, it correlates with. With the three days.
Christ on the cross, dead for three days, came back to life.
[01:57:46] Speaker B: I guess I didn't realize that.
[01:57:47] Speaker C: And then Jonah the fish correlates with that, you know, symbolism. So it, it has deep connections to the New Testament.
[01:57:54] Speaker A: So it's a literal story, though. It was literally.
[01:57:56] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that's the way it reads. I mean, Jesus references it in the New Testament as the literal story, but.
[01:58:03] Speaker B: We'Re not sure what type of fish it is.
[01:58:05] Speaker C: No, it's just. It's not a whale. We don't know if it was a whale, but it was a big fish that swallowed him.
[01:58:10] Speaker B: I mean, whale would be reasonable though.
[01:58:12] Speaker A: You know, what happened was as we.
[01:58:14] Speaker B: Because a whale could swallow.
[01:58:16] Speaker A: As the story was told and retold, it's not as easy to say Jonah and the big fish. It's Jonah and the whale.
[01:58:21] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:58:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:58:22] Speaker B: It's much more commercially marketable to be a whale.
[01:58:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:58:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Interesting.
[01:58:27] Speaker C: It's a. Yeah. Really, really neat story, especially when you start cross. Cross referencing it to the New Testament and just the way that it's perceived in whatever Jewish culture.
[01:58:38] Speaker A: I love listening to Bone talk about the Bible. I could do it all day.
[01:58:41] Speaker C: And I. I should retract Jesus talking about Joseph in the wild. I'm pretty sure he did, but it might have been Paul or another New Testament author. I'm not exactly sure, but less impressed now.
[01:58:50] Speaker A: A lot of prophets in the Bible.
[01:58:53] Speaker B: I used to believe this and now I don't.
[01:58:56] Speaker A: It's all Bone's fault.
I take the.
[01:58:59] Speaker B: Yeah, Bone is single handedly made me cry.
[01:59:01] Speaker C: I do my best. I do my best.
[01:59:03] Speaker B: Yeah, you're a good servant, Bone.
[01:59:06] Speaker A: He. He initially made, you know, strengthen my faith and now I'm. I've never questioned it more.
[01:59:13] Speaker B: I mean, look, here's the thing. We're all Browns fans. Sometimes you need the armor of God to get through these conversations.
[01:59:20] Speaker A: That's true. What do you think about that?
[01:59:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I would agree with that. I would also say this is the last episode and for the next foreseeable future, for the next few months, I'm gonna be getting adequate rest on Mondays, so I won't be. Be so cranky at work on Tuesdays.
[01:59:37] Speaker A: Oh, those guys will probably appreciate that. Yeah.
[01:59:39] Speaker C: Yeah. So with that, I would say bon appetit. Good night.
[01:59:42] Speaker B: Next time that guy blows up the toilet at work, Bo won't be so mad.
[01:59:45] Speaker A: That's not a part of the problem.
[01:59:47] Speaker B: Don't just be a part of the problem.
Be the whole damn problem.
[01:59:51] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning River Sports Cast.
[01:59:57] Speaker B: Burning River Transmission dea. The Burning River.
[02:00:04] Speaker A: And it. How does.
[02:00:06] Speaker C: I don't even sing.
[02:00:08] Speaker B: Time.
Time for you to go home. But you can't stay here.
[02:00:14] Speaker A: Closing time.
[02:00:17] Speaker B: I don't know.
[02:00:17] Speaker A: Finish your whiskey. Or beer.
[02:00:21] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:00:22] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:00:23] Speaker C: Good night.
[02:00:24] Speaker A: Quiet on set.
[02:00:25] Speaker C: I know.
[02:00:26] Speaker A: Have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:00:38] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:00:42] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:00:44] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:00:47] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sports. Ca.
[02:00:57] Speaker C: Motor boat.
[02:00:58] Speaker A: You play the motorboat.
You motorboat? Son of a.
[02:01:02] Speaker B: You old seal.
[02:01:03] Speaker A: Are you.
[02:01:04] Speaker B: You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:01:05] Speaker A: What? What were you think? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:01:10] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:01:11] Speaker A: My name is Utred son of Uhtred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:01:17] Speaker B: Women's guide to To. To anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes second edition?
[02:01:23] Speaker C: The weather outside is weather.
[02:01:25] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh my God. My ass is full of she.
[02:01:33] Speaker B: Everywhere.
[02:01:34] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:01:34] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:01:37] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:01:37] Speaker A: Oh no.
We suck again.
[02:01:40] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:01:43] Speaker B: And Jesus. And Jesus.
[02:01:45] Speaker C: That's right.
[02:01:45] Speaker A: Touchdown. Anyway. What do you mean funny?
[02:01:48] Speaker B: Funny how? How am I funny?
[02:01:49] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:01:51] Speaker B: Timber.
[02:01:53] Speaker A: Godamn cats. Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like the meat pod slow roasted.
The leads are weak. Leads are weak.
Leads are weak. You're weak.
[02:02:09] Speaker B: That we should send a team of. Of oil core drillers.
[02:02:11] Speaker A: Allah.
[02:02:11] Speaker B: Armageddon. To Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water trapped 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high. No browns, baby.
[02:02:19] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win. No matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. Oh, Lord. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:02:30] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:02:30] Speaker A: But damn.
[02:02:31] Speaker B: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:02:36] Speaker A: You know why, mister?
[02:02:37] Speaker B: Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:02:40] Speaker A: I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:02:52] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[02:02:53] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:02:55] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love to. We need cheese girl now.
G. Sanderson.
[02:03:02] Speaker A: Don Gson.
[02:03:04] Speaker B: Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[02:03:07] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:03:08] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people.
[02:03:10] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:03:12] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:03:16] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:03:21] Speaker C: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:03:27] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[02:03:28] Speaker A: That's cool, man.
[02:03:29] Speaker C: Whatever. No, no, no, no, no.
[02:03:34] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
Is this not why you here?
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