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And on today's show this is what you can look forward to. We got a recap of today's Week 14 loss to the Titans.
We're doing a closer look at the offense, defense and special teams play, as depressing as that may be.
Nominees for Dog of the Week. We'll do some QB talk, some coaching talk, some defense talk. We'll do a lot of talk.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: And then just what are the Browns even doing here? I don't know.
Does anybody know? I don't know. But I'm sure there's gonna be a lot more than just that. So let's get things started by reminding everyone to call the Bernie Response Hotline.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: Call that right now.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah, don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline.
These are hot takes. Everybody should have hot takes. After what's transpired the last few weeks here, it hasn't been good. That's what I could tell you. It has not been good.
[00:03:10] Speaker A: You don't have a pulse.
[00:03:11] Speaker B: No.
So yeah, get, get your hot takes in.
And then also for the first time ever tonight, if you use the link in the chat here and actually let me, let me do this real quick for all of our Facebook people because it doesn't connect like it's supposed to. Technology.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: If you go ahead and use the link that we've posted, you can actually sign into our stream on Riverside.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Into our studio and you can do live call ins if you'd prefer that. So go ahead and try that. I mean if we get any, we'll definitely put you guys on. We'll talk to you. So yeah, call in, call in that way, I guess.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: Chat's quiet tonight for the first time in several weeks. I wonder if people are just tuned out.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: Well, it's. People are probably just fed up. We lost to the Titans. Let's be real.
I mean, I don't even know what we're doing recapping the game. I think we should just say we lost to the Titans. Everybody goes home. Yeah.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: But yeah. So the week 14 recap. Let's go ahead and get into it.
Going to start with special teams today.
After, after last week's game, there was absolutely no way they could come out and be ass again. Right.
[00:04:25] Speaker A: You would think that.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: Wrong.
At least two that I saw. Muffed punt return, which luckily we got back. But it's, it's still concerning that it's still happening.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: You got to be the only team in, in all of football to that we consistently don't have a guy that can fair catch a punt.
[00:04:42] Speaker B: We have absolutely no idea how to field a punt.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: Which I mean, we'll get to that in a second. I have something to say about that. And then obviously there was a blocked punt today as well.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: But the muff.
[00:04:55] Speaker A: Even the first kick return of the game, I mean was not.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I went back to like the 45. I didn't even put that in here.
As soon as the game opened. I remember just being like, seriously, like it's gonna be that kind of day. Yep.
So yeah.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: And that did set the tone. That set the tone for the first drive.
[00:05:13] Speaker B: Drop my phone.
Yeah, it was, it was bad and it was, it just immediately right off the rip, you're behind the eight ball and you're like.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: Trying to play catch up all night to. To the momentum that they have.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: But yeah, so the, the muffed punt return. I wanted to come back to that. Because like I said, obviously he got it back. But the fact that Larva Dan is back there still.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: Fielding punts is crazy.
But at the same time, this week, you've got Bubba Ventrone throwing shade at the gm.
When they asked him about it, he's like, well, with the roster we've got, he's the best we have. So.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know. What are your thoughts on that, Kenny? Just like, blatantly, like, our roster is ass. So who you want me to put back there?
[00:05:58] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, at first, I think you have the. The vote of confidence in engage. And it's like, all right. Like, I.
How many times you get burned by this guy?
But then to go on and say, like, hey, he's the best we got, which was a clear indication that he doesn't feel like he has the personnel needed for his unit, which isn't good. So, yeah, it just plays into the overall dysfunction of this front office and this coaching staff that clearly is not on the same page, even when it comes to special teams. So, yeah, there's no. There's no, you know, questioning or. Or misunderstandings here. Like, the special teams is bad. They know it's bad, and they haven't done anything to address it.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: Absolutely. And look, here's the deal.
Bubba Ventrone, I've said it. For how many weeks have we said this for now he needs fired immediately.
Like, yeah, him being the coach of our special teams unit is a liability in itself.
[00:06:58] Speaker B: And then just add fuel to the fire with him calling out the gm, like, why. How. How are you still employed?
[00:07:05] Speaker B: I just don't understand, like, it. This is. We have to be the only organization in all of sports where you just get to do whatever the you want and nobody. Like, it's just like, you still got a job, you're good. It doesn't matter.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: You can publicly shame your boss every week and no one cares.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah, they're like, yeah, that's how we feel too. So, yeah, I mean, it's just. It's just wild. It's. It. He's. He's not holding up his end of the bargain as a coach.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: He's consistently not holding anybody accountable because they don't make any changes on special teams, which. That all. You know, it all rolls downhill because that starts at the top with coaching wise with Kevin Stefanski, but. And then on top of it, he's out there just saying that Andrew Barry's trash at his. His job, too. So, like.
[00:07:48] Speaker B: How are you still here? And they. Is the Browns and they want to talk about building a culture and building this, that you built a culture. All right, It's. It's a pretty good one.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: You know, I haven't heard them talk a lot lately about building culture. And I think it's because they all know, like, there isn't one here.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: They're like, we tried to pretend at this point. They're like, we tried and it did not work.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: I mean, the culture, nobody respected us. The culture here is losing. That's it. That's all.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So let's go ahead and move over to offense. We all know Bubba Ventrone should be gone, so we don't have to talk about that too long today.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: Look, Shador Sanders actually had a pretty good game, in my opinion.
You know, there was obviously the really, really bad. It was. And don't get me wrong, it was a really, really bad interception.
Very poor decision.
I'll be honest, when he threw it, I was like, I have no idea what you were looking at or what you were thinking or what was. I have no idea what was happening there.
It was one of the most.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: Just ill timed and poor decisions that I've seen in a long time. But at the same time, I mean, he bounced back from it. So it is what it is. You know, you can't be perfect all the time. Sometimes even the best quarterbacks have made stupid mistakes.
[00:09:02] Speaker A: So, yeah, good quarterbacks make bad throws every week in the NFL. Yeah, it's just a thing that happens.
[00:09:08] Speaker B: He took two sacks. I think one of the two that I saw was definitely.
He probably held on. He probably could have got rid of the ball and didn't. But I know there was some. Some times that we were pressing and trying to get things done and whatever else. So.
But overall, I think the thing with, with Shador, everybody likes to say, say that we're Shador lovers or we, you know, whatever else. But I think we come at this whole conversation with a level head and we say he's the best one on the roster right now and he's made huge strides. I mean, just take look at this game compared, and I know you're playing the Titans, but look at this game compared to his first start or even against the.
And the Raiders game is a game that they won. He looked head and shoulders better this game than he did against the Raiders.
[00:09:52] Speaker A: And I think this is. That's what we were asking to see of Dylan Gabriel was some kind of progression, linear improvement where you can say, okay, is he working on the things that he is struggling with. I thought they, even the commentators called it out during the game that he was getting rid of the ball quickly. I didn't see him drifting back in the pocket very often. There were one or two plays here or there, but for the most part he was stepping up into the pocket and either trying to deliver the ball. I thought he did a good job taking care of the ball, throwing it away when there was nothing there, which a couple times, even on the broadcast again, the commentators called out like, hey, that was a coverage throwaway. I mean, there was just no one open. So.
And I think for Shador, he's playing that balancing act, right. He knows how important ball security is to Kevin Stefanski. So I know that was one of the criticisms of today's performance was his completion percentage, but they threw the ball a lot.
And I think that he has it in his head that he's going to throw the ball away, especially rather than take a sack, which is, Is good. That's improvement. Right. I mean, if you're saying, hey, you can't take four or five sacks in a game, he's. He's learning and going, okay, then I'm going to get rid of it when nothing's there.
And the only thing I think you saw today was he used his feet a couple of times to get out of trouble and, and just tucked it and ran. Which, yeah, you know, was. I'll say this then Shador, very early on when the play broke down and he was kind of running for Dodge a lot today, it was very selective and calculated in the plays that he said, hey, look, this is broken, like, but I can get something done on the ground. And he did.
[00:11:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I'll say this about one, one criticism I have of Shador Sanders. He is like the most God awful slider of all time. He has no idea how to slide.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: He's just very awkward.
[00:11:30] Speaker B: He's just like, I just kind of fall down and hope nobody hits me. I don't really know what to do here. I'm not.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: I thought he was. I thought he kind of tweaked his legs again this week, similar to the toe thing he had last week when he tried to slide the first time. And yeah, you're right. I mean, he had something he needs to work on for sure.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:49] Speaker B: Which it. I mean, hopefully that comes. But I have to imagine that sliding is something you can teach.
[00:11:57] Speaker B: Like not, not the, not like the willingness to slide, the ability to slide.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: But that, I mean, yeah, like I said, overall he got much better. And for anybody that Wants to still hate. I mean, he was 23 of 42. Sure, the completion percentage was a little low, but he threw for 364 yards, three touchdowns, one interception, and he only took two sacks. Like two sacks isn't that much. Especially. Especially when you think about this line. Pochic went down in this one. And just how dismantled this thing was. Did Wyatt Teller even play or did he get benched again this week? I think they already said he was out, right?
[00:12:31] Speaker A: Injured.
[00:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, he was out and yeah, injured. Yeah, me too.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: So, yeah, Wyatt Teller's outpost out for most of the game or half the game? Most of the game. So, I mean, you know, only taking two sacks, that's pretty good if you ask me. That tells me he's getting rid of the ball and finding ways to avoid.
Avoid pressure.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: And the offensive line was poor again today. I mean, that's something we've known all year, right? And he was under pressure a lot. And to, you know, to your point, I mean, he only took two sacks, I think, on the interception, too. And that was a play that I'm sure that he wants back. Right. They're going to watch film and he's going to go, jesus, why did I throw that?
But I think when you saw it from the back angle, from the quarterback's perspective, I saw what he saw, which was the receiver did come open for a second. He was slow on the read and slow on the take of getting the ball out when it happened, and that's what allowed the defender to undercut it. But when it came open, it was there. The problem was it's cold, it's. It's windy, it's snowing. And it was a long throw. So by the time the ball got there, it was. It looked like the worst throw of all time. So, yeah, which I'm sure that he wants back. But look, that's also a part of his game. That's a part of what you're going to get with a Shador Sanders experience, which is he is going to stretch the field. He's going to throw the ball down the field and he's going to take chances. And you can say, okay, well, we don't want to make those throws. But hey, if you throw one pick and on the same day you throw, you throw three touchdowns and run one in, you have four touchdowns to one interception. Like, you're going to have to live with a little bit of that. And the alternative is right now you have on your roster, which is Dylan Gabriel, which is never going to throw the ball down the field ever, ever. And you don't have any of the big plays he had today.
[00:14:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you do have another guy now on the roster, but we won't go there.
[00:14:19] Speaker A: Yeah, let's please not.
And, and I think the other criticism coming out of today, which is which again, this is the only guy that every week we move the goalposts for, for grading his performance. Because Shador now is the only other super bowl era quarterback joining just Joe Burrow as a Rookie to have 350 passing yards, three pass touchdowns and a rush touchdown in a single game.
[00:14:44] Speaker B: Now you beat me to it. I was going to say, I forgot to even mention that he had a rushing touchdown. So Shador Sanders today responsible for four touchdowns, which checks notes. Yeah, we had four touchdowns today.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: So yeah, when's the last time that happened?
And the final thing I'll say too, just about again, I think the criticism being lobbed at Shador today was okay, Shador had a good game, but it was against the Titans. Okay, there were 12 other teams that played the Titans this year and Shador had the best game out of every single one of them. I have all the stats for all those games because I went through and wrote them down because I was like, is this really the criticism here?
Stafford maybe had the best week. He threw for 298 and two touchdowns against this defense.
Nobody else really was even close. A lot of guys in the mid-200s, a couple of guys in the high high hundreds, a lot of guys with one touchdown, one pick type of game, nobody threw for 364, three, three touchdowns and had a rushing touchdown, not a single one of them. So you can say, oh, the Titans are ass and the Titans are ass. But if it was, if it's so easy to have that day against this defense, why didn't the other 12 quarterbacks that played against them this year put up the same numbers?
[00:15:51] Speaker B: And just to add on to that, I know a lot of people will probably say it's because they didn't need to because their Russian game was.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: I think that's another point for Shador because our rushing game, we had Quinshawn Judkins in here averaging 1.9 yards of carry today.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: And whether that's 30 yards for the day.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah, he was 14 for 26. So whether that's on Quinn, Sean Moore or the offensive line or lack thereof is a whole other conversation. But the fact of the matter is there was absolutely no run game. So Shador had this passing game, had to do it on Their own Shador.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: Sanders was the leading rusher for the Cleveland Browns.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Three for 29.
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's just another feather in his cap. And again, it's a. It's an NFL defense. I understand that might be bad. They're not the worst in the league right now.
[00:16:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:38] Speaker B: And as a matter of fact, you want to flip that to the other side.
The Tennessee Titans played the second best defense today and put up 31 points on them. So, yeah, you know, it's the NFL. Crazy happens.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And the other thing I would say, too, just about the Titans and the fact that they. They suck. This team lost to the jets.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: And this was a week after the week of them trading their two best defensive players.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: So, you know, if it was. If it's just so easy for any quarterback in the league to just go out and just light it up that way, why didn't Dylan Gabriel.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: Yep.
I was going to say 364 yards is something you will never, ever see out of Dylan Gabriel in the NFL.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: I mean, like, when's the last time.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: I mean, he's the only quarterback in Cleveland this year to throw for 300 yards.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: Yeah, he's probably. Yeah, he.
I mean, this was a. I. I don't think that could be understated enough. This was a pretty monster game out of a quarterback. Yeah.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: And. And, and here's the thing. This was Shador's third start. Right. He's had a total of about nine practices with the ones altogether.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: So this was his third start. And everybody. I think everybody's in agreement at this point. Kevin Stefanski's offense sucks.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: The offensive line is terrible. We have no run game, and this was his third start. And our special teams don't give him any help. So all of that, and he still was able to do this. And again, I'm still not even ready to say. As much as people want to paint that on us every time we start talking about how good he could be, I'm still not even ready to say he's the franchise quarterback. But what I am ready to say is he clearly belongs in the NFL. He looks. Anybody that's still arguing that Dylan Gabriel looks any better than he does is absolutely insane. And I'm convinced you've lost all credibility and you're a complete idiot.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, if you're thinking, oh, well, there's no difference between Shador and Dylan Gabriel, because, I mean, even the box scores now don't align to your argument. So you have. You have no argument. The offense looks night and day different.
Yeah. The 60 yarder to Judy today, day, a couple other balls, whatever.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: I mean just today alone. Hold on. Just today alone he had a 35 yarder to Fanon, he had a 60 yarder to Jerry Judy. He had a 31 yarder to Dylan Sampson and I understand some of these are run after catch, but still 58 yarder to Quin, Sean Judkins 23 yards to Cedric Tillman. Like it is exceedingly rare for Dylan Gabriel to even get over 20 yards on a single pass in any game.
[00:19:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: And he had 1, 2, 3, 4, at least 5. Because that's just, that's just the longs that I can see from every, every player. It could be couple more so.
[00:19:18] Speaker A: Well and that's what I loved about this performance for Shador today was that he showed you in a 25 degree day where it was snowing in Cleveland in December, he showed you that he could make every throw. He hit the screens and the short throws and the swing passes of the line of scrimmage. He threw the intermediate routes to get first downs on third and long and he threw the stretch the field type plays that are going to be high risk, high reward that make the difference in an NFL game. And I saw throws that required zip that were lasered in there. I saw throws that required touch that he was able to float in and, and get the timing right. He has every throw that you need to succeed at the NFL level.
[00:19:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
So yeah, again, Shador Sanders looked, looked good today.
I'm going to go back to Quintean Judkins right now. We've been saying for a few weeks now that we're a little concerned.
We can't.
Don't get me wrong, he looks explosive, I'll give him that. He still looks explosive. He looks broken. A lot of tackles, he's broken a lot of tackles. He still has a lot of yards after contact on the season. But I mean all of a sudden the last, like if you go over the last 10 weeks or so or I'm sorry six weeks or so, his yards per carry is significantly down. And I don't, I'm sure a lot of that has to do with, with the offensive line and the injuries and whatever else. I'm not naive to that.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: But I think this just kind of goes to show you is.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Early on everybody's talking about Quinch on Judkins being the second coming of Nick Chubb and I just, I don't know that we can count on that. Because not everybody is Nick Chubb.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, look, I think he's. He's a good player. Like, I don't want to undersell, like, Quinshon as an athlete. He is good. He can run between the tackles. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. Like, he's very versatile.
But, you know, what is his ceiling? I. I don't. I don't know. I mean, is he. Is he a top 10 type guy or is he more of a 10 to 20 type guy? Which is fine. Right? You don't always have to have a top five running back in the NFL to be successful. But.
But certainly you look at a game like today against a bad defense, and you would have thought that you'd have more than 26 yards on the ground.
[00:21:32] Speaker B: I mean, it's even more ridiculous when you think that he got 14 yards on one carry and he ended with 26 on 14 carries.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: That long pass reception.
[00:21:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And so again, you know, this sounds like it's actually an attack on Quinn. Sean Judkins, and I actually don't mean it to be that. I mean it to be more of a. We still need to remain cautiously optimistic. He's a rookie.
He had some success early. It's tapered off a little bit. We need to see what happens. But I think this is where I'm going with this. The biggest indictment is on the coaching staff and the fact that we. We just absolutely cannot figure out a run game to save our lives.
You don't. I don't care what era of football you're in, how much passing is going on, if you can't get a run game going, you will lose.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah. The scheme is poor.
[00:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:18] Speaker A: And we know that.
[00:22:20] Speaker B: So just something to keep an eye on. Just if. If he's able to bounce back as the year goes on or if it continues down this road of 1.9 yards of carry in.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: The last thing that I'll throw in there, just around Quintean, is Quin. John's a rookie.
Quinjan has had a lot of carries this year.
They're running him essentially as the every down workhorse back.
That's a guy that's not. I mean, I know the college season has gotten longer, sure. But.
But it's spaced out a little bit differently than the NFL where you're playing every week. So I do think some of that is just a natural attrition that happens during the season and. And probably, you know, going forward next year, a couple of years in, like, he'll. His Body will be in better shape. He'll know, you know, he'll have that experience to know how to take care of his body better. Because I do think, you know, you. It's that rookie wall, right? I mean, everybody talks about that and. And different guys have different experiences with that. But he's had a lot of work this year, and I don't think it's unfair to think that, you know, maybe Dylan Sampson should get more workload through the end of this season just to preserve the health of Quinshon Judkins.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: And that's something we've talked about a lot. It was nice to see him get so many catches today. Five catches for 64 yards for Dylan Sampson.
That guy needs to touch the ball more often. We need to absolutely just get rid of Jerome Ford. He should never touch the ball again in this offense.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: Which was bad, but.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: I don't even care.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: He.
[00:23:46] Speaker B: The fact that he does what he does when he touches the ball, he like. He looks like he's playing a completely different game than Jerome Ford. He looks like everything Jerome Ford was supposed to be when they brought him in, 100%.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: I mean, I think there's a noticeable difference visually when the ball is in their hands. Quinn Shine or Dylan Sampson's versus Jerome Ford's just in the amount of burst and speed that both those guys offer.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: That. And Jerome Ford is ass returning the ball, too. He's so bad.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: Looks like he's running in slow motion when he gets the ball in his hands.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: Jerome Ford looked so confused on kickoffs today and trying to return the ball. He had no idea where to go.
[00:24:22] Speaker A: If you were Bubba Venturon's returner, wouldn't you be confused?
[00:24:25] Speaker B: I would just be scared.
[00:24:27] Speaker A: What are we doing here?
[00:24:28] Speaker B: I would just be really scared.
And then a couple other guys to touch on for the offense here. Harold Fannin Jr. Monster game. Eight receptions, 114 yards and a touchdown.
Jerry Judy, he finally did something of note. Three catches for 76 yards and a touchdown, including the. I was it the touchdown? That was the 60 yarder.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: I think it was 60 yarder. And then that right after that play, him and Shador.
I don't know if you saw that clip or not of them in the end zone. They had kind of a. Kind of a kumbaya moment. They both knelt face to face together and kind of put their arms around each other. So whatever was going on last week apparently seems to be resolved.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is good. And we kind of, you know, we. We talked about it a little bit, but that those things do happen in football. So it is what it is.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: And then. Yeah, like we already talked about Dylan Sampson, so kind of the big. The big players on offense there.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: So let's go ahead and go.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: I would just also mention just David and Joku obviously left with tough.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Injuries come at the end of this. Kenny, you're jumping the gun, but.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: Well, I wasn't necessarily. I was just talking about the. The catch that he made for the touchdown was one hell of a snag. I mean, a great ball delivered by Shador, but a hell of a grab by. And Joku to come down with that and hold on to it, even though when he got.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: Yeah. What a. What a stat line for a joker today. One one target, one reception, one yard, one touchdown. A long of one.
[00:25:59] Speaker B: So I mean, no, it was. It was a really great.
[00:26:01] Speaker A: It was a hell of A1.
[00:26:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a. It was a great catch and it's unfortunate to see him get injured on the play.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: But yeah, I was going to go to. To Kevin. I'm gonna save that right now. We're gonna go to the defense.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Defense was terrible. For the first time all year, the defense was terrible.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: And I know Miles Garrett added another sack. Carson Schwessinger, in my opinion, still continues to look like a bonafide all Pro. He was everywhere. He was like the only guy on the defense that looked like he was actually interested.
[00:26:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Playing coverage, batting passes.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: Yeah. But they, they just. Miles Garrett said it in his post game press conference. He said we did not earn the right to rush the passer today because we could not step stop the run.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: And that was exactly what it is. And he said that they knew going into this thing like that's what. That's where they were at, is this was going to be.
They wanted to get after the pastor, they wanted to pin their ears back, get after Cam Ward, make him feel uncomfortable. And the Titans came in here and said, you forgot about the run. And if you forget about the run, then Tony Pollard's gonna have a career day for 161 and two touchdowns.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, Tony Pollard hadn't rushed for 100 yards all season and he had 100 yards by basically by halftime.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: So.
[00:27:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, look, big miss on the coaching side of things. I mean, I am not going to beat Jim Schwartz up too much on this whole thing because they've been a stellar unit all year long. But.
But that's kind of a pretty big oversight when you really don't. Game plan for half the game.
And, you know, I think that's.
Yeah. In a game like today in December, like, you got to kind of know, like, teams are going to run the ball.
But to be fair, like, even in my preview for this week's game, I kind of wrote off Tony Pollard and said he was trash to J. Spears isn't very good.
I mean, they made us all look silly. So I guess they put like 185 yards today.
[00:27:55] Speaker B: I guess my question is, is how in the world in the NFL do you overlook anybody? Especially when you're three and nine.
[00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: I don't care how bad the team you're about to play is, you're three and nine. Like, you're. You're a really bad football team. How do you overlook anybody? And they completely. That's what they did. They just completely disrespected the Titans and said, we. You guys can't run on us. We aren't even worried about the run at all. Not even a little.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: And they said, yeah. And it did show. And it was. It was pretty alarming to see. But again, you know, I try. I do. As. As hard as it was to watch, I do kind of chalk it up to just every once in a while a unit has a bad day, it's going to happen.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: Let's be real here too.
A couple of those runs too, got, especially in critical junctures of the game, got called back on penalties. So we got bailed out times by some like illegal hands to the face and just weird shit that was getting called and some holding calls that, you know, otherwise, if a team doesn't commit those penalties, like, you may not have even had the chance to come back in this game and have a chance to win in the end.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
But yeah, do units do have bad days, good teams, the other unit picks them up. The offense definitely tried today, but then when you throw in the special teams poor play and it's kind of two out of the three units play bad. It's. It's a recipe for disaster. So.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: And again, it's hard to beat this defense up. Too bad because they've been on the other side of that equation all year long where they're just like, can we score any points at all?
And we haven't been able to. So, you know, to your point, like it's. They have. You have bad days and good days and today was a bad day for this Browns defense. You have 31 teams to the worst team in the league and Cam Ward really didn't play particularly well.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: And it.
[00:29:47] Speaker B: Was just that 14 of 28 for 117 yards, two touchdowns, one interception.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that running game was just really, really good today.
[00:29:55] Speaker B: One sack, which Miles Garrett sits it for. Anybody that's following along. Miles Garrett sits at 20 right now, so he needs two and a half to tie and three to break the record. He's got four games to go.
[00:30:06] Speaker A: So I was worried. I was worried they weren't going to credit him that full sack.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: I thought they were going to give him half sack too, but it looked like he was. Had him fully wrapped before the other guy got there.
[00:30:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:15] Speaker B: So I thought the same thing, though. But you know, it's the NFL. They want to see somebody break the record anyway, so.
[00:30:24] Speaker B: But yeah, so again, the defense was bad, but let's be. I just want to be completely clear here.
I know the defense played bad. I know the special teams played bad.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: But this game was a coaching game.
Even with all of the bad things that happened with, with the play of, of the special teams unit, the defensive unit, you should have won that game. The Browns should have won that game.
And it all comes back to Stefanski. First, I'll start with this. His offense is still trash. We're just lucky that Tommy Reese had actually caused some plays downfield. Let's. Let's Shador throw the ball downfield a little bit. But we saw it with the Russian game. We talked about that. The Russian game was terrible.
[00:31:05] Speaker A: And to be fair, the pace of the game almost dictated that. Right. I mean, that wasn't like a we game plan. Said, hey, we're gonna take the training wheels off.
The pace of the game found themselves down two scores and they said, okay, well, I guess we're going to have to play a drop back, throw a game up being good. Because that's what we've been asking for, is to take the training wheels off Shador and let him toss the rock around a little bit, give him some, some latitude to operate. And. And you saw for the very first time what he's capable of doing with. With some freedom in this offense.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And it was. It was great to see when they finally did it. But.
But yeah, so luckily Tommy Reese is calling plays and Kevin Stefanski's not, or else we would have seen any more. Seen even more of the shenanigans that we saw a little bit of, which we'll get to in just a second.
Couple of issues with Kevin Stefanski today is one I just want to say is coaching continues to get worse. Like you think it can't get worse. And it gets worse every single week.
[00:32:04] Speaker A: The Browns, specifically, Kevin Stefanski finds new ways to lose games every week.
[00:32:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And we'll start with this. He.
In the first half. I know you texted in our group text and you were like, oh, Kevin.
Because what happened was the scenario was it was a. He tried to do a hard count on fourth and two instead of calling the timeout because they. I think they have three timeouts left. Three timeouts before the half with not a lot of time. Instead of using a timeout.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: On 4th and 2, he let the. He let the clock run out and they took a penalty for delay of game. So back five yards and the very next play, the Titans went offsides. Instead of a first down, it was a fourth and two again.
So just cost us a four. First down there in a critical point in the game going into the half. Kevin.
[00:32:48] Speaker A: Kevin. Things.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: Yep, yep. Next we went for two on the first touchdown before that.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: Can we also say the first time they got into the red zone, too? I think it was after Quin Sean's long play.
Immediately to the Wildcat.
[00:33:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: Shador's playing well in that first half. And as soon as you get down there, we're like, yeah, get your door out of the game. Gotta go to the Wildcat.
[00:33:14] Speaker B: Don't even get me started on all the. All the different implications that this has. Like, whether it's he doesn't like Shador or whatever. There's all those theories. But even just the fact that I go to Kevin Stefanski, this is how I know that that Ivy League education ain't worth the. Is because he all of a sudden. One time the Wildcat worked with Quin Jud kids. And it's like a shiny new toys. Like, I gotta roll this out every single chance I get and show it off to all my friends. Like, no, that's not. This isn't the way to go.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: The guys, mind you, to your running back who's averaging less than 4 yards of carry on the season.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
And on the day, he's averaging 1.9. So, yeah, it's just. Just wild to me.
Get it, Wildcat.
But yeah, on top of that, at the end of the game, we're trying to come back. We're down two scores and they the Brown score potentially bringing it within seven points. Right? Wrong.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: We decided to go for two on the first touchdown instead of just taking the points and ensuring a tie. Like, isn't the conventional wisdom. Like, I know. I know the theory behind it. We talked about this during the game. I know the theory behind it. You go for two on the first one because chances are you can at least be 50 on 2 point conversion. So you're like, you go for 2 on the first one. If you get it, then you can win with a, you know, if you kick the field, if you just kick the extra point the next time, if you don't get it, you still have another chance to get two and tie the game.
[00:34:38] Speaker A: But I just feel like those situations though are usually where it's like, you know you're going to have to go for two at some point. That's usually why you do it the first when you know you're going to have to go for two at some point. Which in this case that wasn't a necessity, it was a luxury. Sure. If they had got a two point conversion there, yeah, great. You win the game, don't have to go to overtime. But it's usually when you're, you're down to where the math Is, you're down 15 or whatever, you know you're going to have to go for two at some point. So you give yourself two looks at it.
This wasn't necessary. It wasn't necessary at all.
The game. There were still five or six minutes left in the game. You have a chance to draw within 7:1 possession, like, well, just draw the seven.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: And where I was going with it is conventional wisdom is you go for the win on the road and you go for the tie at home because you got the crowd behind you in overtime. So yeah, I don't know why you, you go for it on the first one, you just take the points and you hope for the tie because if you tie the game, you have the crowd behind you in the, in overtime. Right. Like I'm all for.
At the end of the game, you tie, you know you're about to. You have the choice to tie it up or go for two to win the game when you're on the road. I would go for two every time because I don't want to. I just, I hate overtime anyways. I think it's stupid.
And especially because in the regular season in the NFL can end in a tie, which is the dumbest thing that's ever happened to any sports ever.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: But yeah, I mean you go for two there. You don't go for two on this random. The first, like we what are we doing?
And then we proceeded to.
That led to the absolute worst call of the night.
[00:36:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: Where we score, we do score that touchdown. So we hit. Now we're looking At. Okay, we could have been tied. Now we got to go for two. And so what do we do? We take out our quarterback, who just scored a touchdown, Mind you, just brought him back.
[00:36:24] Speaker A: Who just scored two touchdowns in five minutes.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it brought him back.
And is has 364 passing yards on the day and three touchdowns. And we take him out of the game.
Not just out of the play, out of the game. And we run this wild card wildcat.
[00:36:43] Speaker B: And we run it and we try and do some sort of reverse pass.
[00:36:48] Speaker A: Yeah, the reverse was coming, right?
[00:36:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I hadn't seen it all game. So you knew it was coming at some point because you can't run. Run. You can't have a Stefanski game without a reverse.
[00:36:57] Speaker A: Well, they did run a reverse early in the game. That's the one that got Malachi Corley killed.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So let me. Let me rephrase that.
Let me rephrase that. You can't have a Kevin Stefanski game without running at least two reverses.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: Multiple reverses.
[00:37:13] Speaker B: Yeah. And so Quinn, Sean completely missed the pitch. He's like, oh, I was supposed to pitch it there. That guy's way over there. Now I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I'm going to turn around and just throw the ball up in the air.
It was just a circus. It was the absolute worst thing I ever saw. And it was like the epitome of everything. Browns. I was just like, yeah, yep, yep. This is. This feels right. This just feels like how the game was supposed to end, because there's no way we were going to tie that and go in overtime.
[00:37:37] Speaker A: There's no way I was watching this.
And my son is sick right now. And. And so my wife laid down to take a nap with him.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: Gotta love toddlers. Always sick.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: And so my wife laid down with him. And so they had just woken up and she was coming around the corner of the hallway and I'm sitting on the couch and. And unbeknownst to myself, I am beaming ear to ear like. Like I just won the lottery. And she comes around the corner and she's like, what. What is. What's going on?
Why do you look like that? And I was just, like, beside myself with the. Just the ludicrous embarrassment that this team finds every week. And that was the culmination of Brown's fandom. And then. And the perfect illustration of everything, Kevin Stefanski, which was, we're going to run Wildcat. Take your rookie quarterback out. That's having a career day. Take him out of the game entirely. And then we're going to run Wildcat. We're going to run a reverse Wildcat. That's.
And the reverse happens. And then it doesn't happen. Quinn John realizes it and goes, oh, gotta do something. And tries to throw the ball to who knows where.
And that's just the end of the game.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: I was just like, this is just.
[00:38:58] Speaker A: The absolute most embarrassing way to lose a football game ever in the history because you shouldn't even have been in that position.
It shouldn't even have been there. It was like in Armageddon when Buscemi.
[00:39:10] Speaker B: Is on the Asteroids and he goes.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: We shouldn't be here, man.
[00:39:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's that. And like, every time the Browns play, it's like earlier in the movie when they say just, scariest environment imaginable.
[00:39:22] Speaker A: Just.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: That's all you had to say. Scariest environment imaginable.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: It's all wrong. We shouldn't even be here.
[00:39:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: I mean, that's a pretty good way to describe the Cleveland Browns Armageddon.
Like. Yeah, that's.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: Jamie, I, I we, I know he highlighted your comment a little while ago. What's up?
[00:39:40] Speaker A: Give us a call. Jamie. We're taking live call ins tonight.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: Yeah. If you'd like to go to the link and give us calling.
Don't tempt him with a good time.
[00:39:50] Speaker B: But, but yeah, I mean, it was just Kevin doing Kevin things all night long. And, and it couldn't be more obvious to me that he does not want Shador to succeed.
Between every time they're in the red zone, he takes them out and puts Quin Sean in to run the Wildcat.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Just.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: Well, the fact that you took him out on the, the penultimate play of the game. Of the game. The game. The, the play that is going to decide the future of the game. And you take him out. I mean, if there was any question, if you were, if you were on the fence about how Kevin felt about Shador and the confidence level that this front office has in Shador and, well, not the front office, but the coaching staff has in Shador. It was on full display the, the lack of any belief that this guy is any good at all to the point where on the most important play of the game, you take the kid out and say, we're going to do something totally different, totally off the wall, totally against the grain. A gadget play to. We're going to put the fate of the game in the hands of a gadget play.
I mean, it's, it's very clear that that Kevin has it out for Shador at this point. I mean, there's. There's no other explanation for that.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: There's no. I don't know how else to explain it.
[00:40:59] Speaker A: You could have ran a million other plays. Hell, put the ball in Shador sand. Let him sneak it. I mean, the kid's mobile. Put him on a boot. Let him, Let him have a run pass option.
[00:41:08] Speaker B: Leading rusher today.
[00:41:09] Speaker A: There's a leading rush. Let it do anything besides that. Anything besides that.
[00:41:15] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, just again, Kevin doing Kevin things and I just wonder when is enough enough? Like, hashtag fire Stefanski. Hashtag fire Bubba. I'm done with these two guys.
I'm really done with pretty much this whole team. Not, not player wise, but, like, coaching wise. I'm. I'm just done with this whole team. The only person I hope gets retained is Jim Schwartz, and that's a long shot. This, like, if you ask me now, I'm pretty sure from everything that I've read and everything that I've been hearing from different sources and whatever else, like, it sounds like what's going to happen is Andrew Barry's going to stay.
Kevin Stefanski is going to be gone, and pretty much the whole coaching staff goes with him. I think that, that there's an argument to be made to keep Jim Schwartz, no matter who the coach is. Obviously he's got a lot of connections around the league and he's going to have those conversations when they come. But, yeah, the fact of the matter is, like, I, I think we've reached a point, especially after today.
I do think Kevin Stefanski will be gone. I think that he's going to make it till the end of the season because Jimmy doesn't.
It takes a lot to make an in season move. I would consider this a lot, but I'm not the owner.
[00:42:26] Speaker B: But I think he's gonna be gone. And I think that they're, they're gonna put all their eggs in, in the Andrew Berry basket and that he's gonna continue to, to steer this franchise in the right direction, which I don't. I don't know about that, but that's where we're going to be.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: I'm not as confident as you that Stefanski gets let go at the end of this season. I mean, is it the right thing to do? 100%. Stefanski needs to go. And whether that's tomorrow, I mean, I, I wouldn't even let Stefanski hit the showers tonight. I would have just fired him before the, before he got into the Tunnel.
[00:42:57] Speaker B: Not everybody's as smart as us.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: We've been saying it for a couple of years now, like, Stefanski needs to go. So I'm not as optimistic that he's going to go.
And I thought there was an interesting story this week about Tommy Reese interviewing for the Penn State head coaching gig and he turned it down.
So if I'm Tommy Reese and I have the opportunity to go lead a premier program at college football.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: If I don't have job security, I probably am thinking really long and hard about that and probably very considerate of that offer.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: The fact that he turned them down tells me he has some belief that Kevin's going to be back next year.
Plus, I just don't trust Jimmy to do the right thing. So I am not optimistic at all.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: Here's a theory, and this is just. But here's a theory, and it's just a theory. What if he's going to be on their short list of coaches to replace Kevin Stefanski?
[00:43:53] Speaker A: I would be okay with that.
Look, to me, it's anybody but Stefanski.
[00:43:57] Speaker B: Right?
[00:43:58] Speaker A: So if Tommy Reese was in that conversation, that would be fine. So if he has a head shake and a nod from Jimmy that he'll at least be in the conversation and highly considered, that would be fine. But you know, and I know there was a story in the Athletic about Jimmy considering cleaning house. So it's absolutely the right thing to do. It needs to be done. It's well past time.
I just don't have faith that they're gonna. They're going to execute that.
[00:44:22] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll see. We. We.
As the season unfold, we got a couple more games against not so great teams, so we'll. We'll see what happens here.
And you know, they ain't winning any more games like this, is it? We said between three and five and they went with the lower end of that. So.
Yeah, I mean, before the season, I didn't say between three and five, but basically since like week two, I've said between three and five.
[00:44:44] Speaker A: I said it before the season.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Would you. I think you. I think you actually had them at four games before the season, if I'm not mistaken.
[00:44:50] Speaker A: That's about what I picked. Yeah.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: So. Good job, Kenny. You know better than most of us how bad the Brown stock.
[00:44:59] Speaker B: Injuries real quick.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: Just on that note. On that note.
Yeah. I hate to be the guy that's. It's like I told you. It's not I told you so, it's just. Can you imagine if you had a coaching staff that was doing the right thing. And we didn't go through the Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett drama. That was the off season. And Shador had a full off season installed in this game plan, in this offense. I mean, after three games, the dude has made tremendous strides. He looks night and day better than the kid that took the field for a half against Baltimore.
Again, whether or not he's the long term answer at quarterback or a franchise guy, we don't know. He's played three games, but he has gotten better every week. He had a really nice game today, and I have to think that if he was given the opportunity to be the starter on day one in a legitimate quarterback competition and got reps with the ones all during the off season, that he would be very much further along and that this team, frankly, in the AFC north would want a couple more games, which would put them right in the thick of the conversation for the division this year.
They may not have won it. And that's fair. He's a rookie. They. I'm sure he would have lost some of those games as well. But could he have won one or two of those games? The, the jets, the Vikings come to mind.
You know, those, those types of games that were close and could you have five or six wins at this point in the season? I mean, it just, it just changes the entire paradigm about everything that you think about this offense and this team going forward. If they were, you know, five and seven or, or, or six and six.
[00:46:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're not wrong. And, and, and I was, I was for the, you know, I'll say it, I was for the Joe Flacco thing. But I think the difference is between me and even our coaching staff, who did end up trading him, you know, coaching staff, front office, who did end up trading away is bone. And I flipped after like week one. We were like, this isn't good.
I think we might have gave him till week two. And then we were like, it's over. Like, this team's really bad. We got to do something else.
And on top of all that, like, not only did you go through all the drama in the off season, Dylan Gabriel, for.
Was it six weeks?
[00:47:13] Speaker A: Well, the whole Dylan Gabriel experiment. Right. I mean, that was a useless.
[00:47:16] Speaker B: Well, yeah, yeah. Because you go back to the off season, that's another thing that we don't talk about is even in the off season, as much as they want to say backups don't get starters, reps, who was getting starters, reps all off season long was the backup, Dylan Gabriel was as a rookie. So yeah, I mean all of that like all of those things equal the Browns being 3 and 10 right now and just losing to the 2 and 11 Titans. So.
[00:47:42] Speaker B: With that, the final thing I have for the game, injuries. David Ajoku out with a knee. We'll see what happens there. Malachi Corley, concussion, he got rocked.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: Was turned up on the broadcast. He was like, that's how you make a tackle. I was like, this guy is still on the ground. He doesn't know who he is.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: It's a bad look.
[00:48:03] Speaker A: That's how you do it.
[00:48:04] Speaker B: Denzel Ward with a calf injury. And then Pochic feared to have suffered an Achilles injury that will most likely end his season and maybe his time with the Browns because is that's the second major injury in a few years here.
[00:48:15] Speaker A: So yeah, this offensive line is, is badly in need of a remodel.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah, they're gonna have to completely revamp it through.
And it's not just a draft thing. Like you can't just do the draft. It's gonna be draft and free agency. You're gonna need to bring in probably like five new bodies on the, on the offensive line in the off season.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah, you're gonna have to draft one early and you're gonna have to get lucky on somebody in the mid rounds that, that can play and start next year and then you're gonna have to fill in the rest through free agency.
[00:48:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's a complete overhaul.
With that Bernie Sportscast dog of the week nominees, we'll start with Bone. Harold Fannin is who he went with on this one.
Again, just to remind Everybody, Harold Fannin, eight receptions, 114 yards and a touchdown.
Kenny, I'll let you go next. Who you got?
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll go. Shador played really, really well today.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: Again, 23 of 42, 364 yards, three touchdowns, one interception, three rushes for 29 yards and another touchdown.
[00:49:14] Speaker A: So the only rookie who's ever had a game like that ever was Joe Burrow.
And again, there's been a lot of other teams that have played the Tennessee Titans this year and no other quarterback had the type of day that she door had. So you can say what you want about that team sucking. If it was that easy, everybody would do it and they didn't. And there were some good names in that, in that conversation. So it's not like they just play all bad teams.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Yep. And I am actually.
I know I've been going Miles Garrett lately just every Time he gets a sack just because he's closer to the record. I'm going. Carson Schwezinger, Schwessinger, he had 13 tackles. He was all over the place. And mind you, he missed like half a quarter because he was getting checked out for an injury.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: So even in three and a half quarters, he had 13 tackles on the day and was just everywhere, so.
And actually, I want to, want to check here.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: Swiss is really good.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: No, I thought maybe. Oh, yeah, there. He had a pass breakup as well, so.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: Yep, he did.
[00:50:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So just great day for Carson Schwessinger. I think he, he's pretty much. I think Miles Garrett obviously has as well, but I think Carson Schwezinger as, as kind of just sealed the defensive rookie of the year talk. I think he could honestly miss the next four games and he would probably win.
[00:50:35] Speaker A: So I don't know who else you would give it. I mean, his, his year has been outstanding.
[00:50:40] Speaker B: Yeah, unreal.
[00:50:41] Speaker A: To the point where it's not a rookie conversation. I mean, you, I would put him in the top 10 linebackers of, in the NFL this year, period.
[00:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:53] Speaker B: So, yeah. So just another big day from him. Total of 119 tackles so far in the season. By the way, he's going to be games last. He's projected to finish with 156.
Yeah, that's work. That's a pretty good day. That's work.
[00:51:09] Speaker B: But yeah. Kenny, you got any final thoughts on this? You want me to go first? Usually make me go first. You want me to go first?
[00:51:13] Speaker A: Yeah, you go first.
[00:51:15] Speaker B: My final thoughts.
Hashtag fire Stefanski. That's all I got. I, I, I'm just, I've talked about this every single week for God knows how long. For how. Not just this season, for years. We've talked about this. And it might not be every single week in past years, but it's at least like every couple weeks it comes up again, like, what is, what are we doing with this guy?
I'm just done with it. I've been done with it.
We need a head coach that holds players accountable, that holds coaching staff accountable.
We need a guy to come in here that knows football, that isn't hiding behind an Ivy League education, thinking he's the smartest guy in the room. So that's where I'm at. Kenny, what do you got?
[00:51:57] Speaker A: Yeah, my final thoughts are this. I have two.
So it's final thoughts, plural.
[00:52:04] Speaker B: You're doing one for bone.
[00:52:05] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I'm getting, I'm getting. This is my Bone thought.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: My first thought is this, that there was a lot of talk obviously going into today about Cam Ward, Shador Sanders and all the draft drama and hoopla that surrounded both of these guys. The Titans obviously select Cam Ward first overall and are by all accounts building their team and their future around this guy, which is fine, but he was 14, 28 today for 117 yards, two touchdowns and a pick. Shador was 23 of 42, 393, four total touchdowns and a pick.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: I would say point Shador today, point Browns for getting him in the fifth round. If I had to decide today and take one of those guys to build my franchise around, I'm glad we have Shador Sanders. I would take Shador every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Cam Ward.
Cam has had a rookie year, he's had a tough rookie year, has drawn a lot of criticism and hasn't, you know, done as well as people had hoped and certainly the expectations were high. And that team is ass. They fired their head coach early on in the season.
Just not a very good football team. A lot of talent missing all around.
But again, if I had to pick one of those guys to be my franchise quarterback, just out of those two, again there's a lot of quarterbacks in the bell, but if I had to pick out of those two, I would pick Shador. And I think that was illustrated in a big way today that the Browns may have got sneaky steal there, waiting on Shador to fall, who played really, really well today.
And then the final thought that I do have is just that.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: The stadium was empty today.
[00:54:01] Speaker A: Fans have checked out. I think tickets were on sale for as low as $5 to get into this one.
And, and I think on some level a part of that is fans thinking like we're making a statement to ownership that we're not going to watch this sorry ass football team. And.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: Maybe a little bit, I mean, I think the message resounds, but.
But if we think that's really hurting Jimmy in the pocketbook, like no, you're kidding yourself because most of their money come from that. Yeah, I'm all for making statements, but most of those seats are paid for, right? When you're getting tickets for $5, it's usually because those are secondary market tickets. So the Browns have already gotten paid on those tickets for the most part.
Maybe you're hurting them on the concessions for the day because there's no one in the stadium drinking beer.
[00:54:49] Speaker B: Let's be honest though, none of that stuff is what brings Them most of their money. The TV deals and everything else are what brings them most of their money.
[00:54:56] Speaker A: I mean we're, we're talking tens and maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars when it comes to concessions, which, you know, Jimmy spent that on lunch McDonald's yesterday. So it's just not, not the statement I think Browns fans think they are making. Certainly there's the statement of like, hey, there's not interest here. But, but you know, if we're trying to stick it to ownership, I think we're kind of missing the mark there because you're just not going to be able to.
And let's be real here. When it comes to concessions, most Browns fans are tanked by the time they get in the stadium anyway. So it's not like they sell, they.
[00:55:29] Speaker B: Drink a lot less when they get in there.
Yeah, and another thought just, just, you know, along those same lines is I mentioned that that's not where the money comes from. The money comes from TV deals. For. So for all you people that decided you were going to stay home because you wanted to stick it to the Browns, did you also not turn the game on? Because if you turn the game on, it didn't matter. That's where they make most of money anyways. So in the fact that ratings stay high means that the next TV deal is going to be even more than this one, just like it always is and they continue to make more and more money.
[00:56:01] Speaker A: It is though a clear indication that Browns fans don't want to watch a sorry ass football team in the cold, which just adds weird.
[00:56:09] Speaker B: If only we had some sort of, some sort of building some sort of thing that we could watch a game in that wasn't cold.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: Adds fuel to Jimmy's fire around having the dome in place. Because I think people probably would have showed up for five bucks if they could have sat in 70 degree, you know, barn, dominium or whatever they're building out there.
[00:56:29] Speaker B: You think, you think that's all part of the plan? He's like, yeah, Tank, because at the.
[00:56:33] Speaker A: End of the season, get everybody cold and mad at the end of the.
[00:56:36] Speaker B: Season when nobody's coming. I'm, I'm just going to say, look, you guys had the opportunity to come these last few years in the stadium and nobody did. So I guess I made the right decision.
[00:56:45] Speaker A: That's right.
Sticking at the Jimmy just made Jimmy look smart.
[00:56:48] Speaker B: It's all did. Yep. Good job guys.
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Too bad the fans are just completely burned out. This was a heck of a week for us to start our live calls.
[00:57:08] Speaker A: That's embarrassing.
[00:57:09] Speaker B: I don't think it's embarrassing. I think it just speaks to how bad the Browns are. Nobody wants to pay attention to that.
[00:57:16] Speaker B: But yeah, call the hot take hotline. These are hot takes. Leave us hot takes. You talk about whatever you want on there. There's no filter. We'll put anything you say on the air. We don't give a safety off.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: All bets are off.
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[00:57:54] Speaker A: You in the haslams.
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[00:59:15] Speaker A: We're in the Haslams.
[00:59:17] Speaker B: That's it, man. That's all we got.
[00:59:19] Speaker A: All right, well, I guess I'll see you this week for our regular show. But until then, don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[00:59:28] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires burning.
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[00:59:35] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[00:59:58] Speaker A: Sa.
