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[00:01:10] Speaker B: It's time Time for the Burning River Sportscast. This shit is bananas. B A N A N A yes, Black Monday came and went and a fair amount of coaches felt the boot of destiny. But as the week wore on, more interesting and somewhat unexpected candidates have now hit the market.
The most important part of coaching bonanza. 3 out of 4 AFC north teams are now searching for their next guy. And let's be honest, the Bengals are probably one more underachieving season away from parting with their head coach as well. What makes this so exciting is this Browns team has a lot of promising youth and a championship caliber defense. And with the chaos unfolding in the division, the Browns have a chance to get this right and be the de facto leader in the division for the foreseeable future. If they get this right. Unfortunately, that is a monumental if.
We'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:16] Speaker C: I can tell you exactly how it started.
[00:02:17] Speaker D: Mess with Bobby, do some like funny little shtickles. Those are funny little like shticks and.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Is that a word?
[00:02:24] Speaker D: Yeah, sorry.
[00:02:25] Speaker C: And then you guys love my knock em.
You shit on me.
[00:02:33] Speaker D: The way he said it in the moment. I got ticked off. I have a short fuse. I admit that. I have a very short fuse. I've been known to say or do things that I regret.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: Now if you're looking for that, Mike McDaniel has to stand on his tippy toes to talk over the podium. So.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: Can he kick Miles Garrett's ass? Like, he's probably not gonna beat up Miles Garrett.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: He saved some people at a beach once too, so give him some credit.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: There's a case to be made for the Browns being good destination, especially when considering look, all the places that fired coaches fired coaches because they weren't successful.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: No, you shut your filthy mouth, you piece of.
I'm. I'm flustered.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Welcome to the Thunderdome.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Suck on that dat.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Dude. I'm looking at butts.
I knew it.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: How many People have pissed in this pool.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: If you lose any more hair, your forehead will have its own gravitational pull. We rub off on a lot of people.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah, we rub off a lot of people. People.
And be sure to check.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: What does a perverted frog say?
[00:03:38] Speaker A: What?
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Rub it. Rub it.
[00:03:41] Speaker E: I got to tell people that tomorrow.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: If you do not want to see.
[00:03:45] Speaker A: Me again, I would understand.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Welcome into the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tap in Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. My partner today is married to a woman with the cle. Cleanest lady bits in the entire country. Because he's the biggest douche I've ever met. He's red hot. Ronnie jams.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: You know it.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: And on the board today, he's so dense. Light bends around him. He's the big bone man. Bone.
[00:04:18] Speaker A: See? Like a black hole.
[00:04:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: So you're going with.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: Well, that sucks it in. I don't know. I don't know. Space and time. Go on Bone.
[00:04:24] Speaker B: Does a lot of sucking it in.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: Bone.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: You know, I used to date twins and people were always asking how I could tell them apart.
[00:04:33] Speaker E: Sure.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: And I always used to tell him, it's easy. Mary used to paint her fingernails purple. And Bob has a cock.
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[00:04:58] Speaker A: I like that there was just no commentary necessary. You just. That's how I told him.
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[00:05:44] Speaker B: North Jersey once and for all.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: We got the Browns brief, a quick trip around the NFL, another edition of can we talk about this? And of course, the divisional round preview.
So there's a polar vortex coming in, which makes me think of only one thing.
The weather outside is weather. And with that, let's get things started with the bring of our news story of the week.
[00:06:06] Speaker E: The weather outside is weather.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: All right, so for this week's news story of the week, Jordan Shipley, former wide receiver for the Texas Longhorns and Cincinnati Bengals, Bucks and Jags from 2010 to 2012, was airlifted to the hospital after a machine at his ranch that he was operating caught fire.
And in turn, he sustained third degree burns on over 20% of his body.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Feels bad.
[00:06:44] Speaker A: Just a. Just an insane story. In case anyone's wondering, Jordan Shipley's name sounds familiar. Former roommate of Colt McCoy and younger brother. His younger brother Jackson.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: Was also a wide receiver.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: Yeah, thank you. I lost my spot where I was. Was also a wide receiver at Texas and played with Colt McCoy's younger brother. Case and I have seen from the story with Jordan Shipley and him being taken to the hospital with the burns. His wife is pleading with the public not to share AI images of his burns or of the fire.
She said, quote, I've had some messages about AI pictures of Jordan going around. She said, please know that I or anyone else will never post a picture of Jordan's face in the hospital online. Please don't repost any of that and spread word. Those are definitely fake images. So, yeah, just wild. Just talking about the world we live in, an AI and the fact that people are just generating images of this and spreading them online. But the story itself is wild. I mean, just that he's operating. I'm assuming it's probably something in his garage, I would guess.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: I think he has a ranch in tech, like a, like a barn and stuff.
[00:07:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm guessing it's something that was in his garage that caught fire and. And unfortunate, unfortunate set of circumstances obviously.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: Just caught my eye. Jordan Shipley was one of those guys that I always. I just thought he was a really good college player, you know, And I guess one that I got wrong because I wanted the Browns to draft him and he didn't do much in the NFL, but was a great college player.
But just unfortunate that it happened. I don't know where the burns are. It says 20% of his body.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: Well, clearly some of them are to his face, though, because.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: Which also, unfortunately, I mean, it's unfortunate to be in a fire, but he was a handsome guy. Well, so probably feels real bad.
[00:08:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
So just. Just praying for a full recovery for him. Hoping, you know, just thoughts. Go out to his family and stop sharing those AI images. You guys are weird. Who does that?
[00:08:43] Speaker B: He met his wife in middle school when he was the eighth grade quarterback and she was the head of the cheerleading squad.
[00:08:49] Speaker A: That's a nice story.
[00:08:50] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:08:52] Speaker A: So that's.
That's the Burning River News story of the week with that. One more thing before we get to the Browns, let me remind everybody to call the Burning River Sportscast.
Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. No hot takes this week, as I mentioned, but call the hot take hotline. These are hot takes. The coaching search is heating up. Let us know who you want, who you don't want, why you don't want it to be Kenny Thunder. All of the above. Yeah.
And again, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot.
[00:09:21] Speaker B: We want them. 3,3022-7808-1330-2278, 0813-022780-83033-02-278081 call now, now or we'll kick you in the Haslams.
[00:09:33] Speaker A: Kick you right.
And kind of along the lines of the hot take hotline, I now want to bring in some special guests that we have from our good friends over at the brownsbackers of North Jersey to settle.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: North settle. Brownsbackers.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: No, don't say that. They'll get mad. I had to think about it for a second because I always get it wrong, but I got it right today.
But anyways, we want to settle the rift that has developed between two of their members.
So we'll bring him in now.
All right, guys. So to get to the bottom of this, we had to go ahead and bring in our guys from the Browns backers of North Jersey. So without further ado, let me just introduce Angry Bobby D. And Monaca.
Hey, guys, how you doing?
[00:10:24] Speaker C: The offseason, we got to get ready.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: For our coach, get ready for our super bowl, the draft.
[00:10:30] Speaker C: Yeah, all that stuff.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Menachem, how are you doing?
[00:10:34] Speaker D: Okay. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm not so thrilled about the. The guy in the. In the box to the left, but you guys are great.
[00:10:43] Speaker A: So this is. Yeah, this is the exact. Thank you for thinking we're great. Not many people think we are. So you get. You're in the minority.
[00:10:50] Speaker B: But I would just Say you guys have been bringing the heat all year long. Keeping the hot take hotline. Very interesting. We never know what's coming from North Jersey week to week.
We just appreciate that. But clearly there's been some kind of rift over the last several weeks that has developed.
So we're here today to try and get a quorum together and settle this thing once and for all.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: And before we really get into it, I have to say I'm very confused because some weeks we've got Menachem praising Bobby D. Some weeks we've got him basically saying that he's a piece of crap.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: The tone changed throughout the season.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: Changes multiple times.
[00:11:25] Speaker B: He was like, angry Bobby's the best. And then angry Bobby's not even power ranked.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And then it got into.
[00:11:31] Speaker D: He was power ranked for the record. He was power ranged. He was last.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: He was just last. Yeah. And then it got into, like, almost. Almost like, you know, my name is man.
My views don't align, don't necessarily align with the north, with the Brownsbackers, North Jersey. Like, it was like, it was like a cya of like, I'm saying this stuff, but I don't want to get in trouble. So, guys, you got to tell us what is going on here?
[00:11:57] Speaker B: What is the trouble in paradise?
[00:12:00] Speaker C: There is no trouble in paradise. I can tell you exactly how it started.
[00:12:03] Speaker A: All right, let's. Let's do this. Angry Bobby. Let's do this. Yeah, let's do your story first, and then we'll go to Monaco media.
[00:12:10] Speaker C: This is, this is how it is. This is how I think everything started.
So, you know, I'm a regular caller to the, to the hotline. Always.
You guys always try to get people to call in. So we hung up the flag, we hung up the number, and I always told everybody, call the hotline. I did my job. Call the hotline.
So Menachem starts calling a hotline, and then you guys love Menachem.
You shit on me.
So I think men kind of like that made him feel good. Now he's better than me, so he's.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: Gonna show me better than you.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: Hang on, Menockum. Hang on, Menockum. Hang on. Keep going, Bob.
[00:12:59] Speaker C: Then he's gonna. So he shits on me, too.
I'm trying to think what, what he's. What? He said something else. Oh, about my calls. I don't say anything in my calls. I just give you a recap of the game.
Wfan.
So I guess I said something to him like, oh, you're a funny guy. Like, you know, and then that's when he started apologizing.
And then you guys were wondering why I was apologizing.
So then he went back to being ripping me again.
And then there was. So at the very end, we, we kind of, like, we kind of thought it was a joke, you know, so the last. So we basically. What happens? All right, everybody's got their assigned seats. This is all assigned seats. But we had, we had our, our party, which a lot of people come to, so you need a lot of room because I got to put up all the prizes and all that stuff.
So I set up all the prizes and I moved, I moved my table and it was you where Monocum sat. So I'm like, this is pretty nice. I like it over here. I should sit here for more often.
So the next week I set up there again and he wasn't happy.
[00:14:09] Speaker A: So that is, Is that your, your version of the entire story?
[00:14:14] Speaker C: That's how I think it is. I have no issue. Menachem is my.
I always kid that once I'm gone, once I leave, he's going to be the. He's going to be a new president. He doesn't want it. Nobody wants to be president.
[00:14:27] Speaker A: Monakam, you can't turn it down.
[00:14:28] Speaker D: I, I can. Just like lbj.
[00:14:31] Speaker A: I will not.
[00:14:31] Speaker D: I will not. I will, I will not seek, nor will I accept the nomination to president of the Brownsbackers of North Jersey.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: There goes Menachem with his knowledge again.
Yeah. So let's, let's, let's go over to you, Menachem. Let's. What's the entire story here?
[00:14:47] Speaker B: What's the real story?
[00:14:48] Speaker D: So my vantage point was like this.
Bobby, he was on the right. Every week he's trying to get people to call, he's begging people, he's crying.
The people in the club, you have to understand there's like a love hate relationship between, like, Bobby and the people in the club. We love to hate on him. He's an easy target.
And he does.
[00:15:12] Speaker A: I'll second that.
[00:15:13] Speaker D: He does so much that he puts everything into it that it's easy to, like, find something to, like, chip away at.
So I decided to start calling the week I, the first week I called it was after, I believe Bobby and Kevin were on hyping up the festivities that we had around the jets game. And you guys gave him a little bit of a hard time.
And that Sunday we did the walk 10 to Alzheimer's, which is one of the many, many organizations that support.
And we do it in memory of Bobby's father who passed away from the disease. And we raised over, like, six. $6,600, I believe it was. It was.
[00:15:59] Speaker A: We were.
[00:15:59] Speaker D: We were number two of the top 10 teams. We beat the. The. The Giblins. I got a laugh out of Bobby for that.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: Good.
[00:16:07] Speaker D: We beat the Giblins, which is, like, this other team that never shows up to the walk. And I was in this, like, very, like, inspired mode. And after you guys kind of, like, sat on Bobby, I was like, I just want to make sure that we know that Bobby is a really good guy. So my first call was very positive. Bobby's the best. We love him. You guys are not so nice to him, and I don't appreciate.
And then you guys answered, and rightfully so, that, you know, you guys knew that he was a great guy and that it's part of the bit, and that's that. And then I enjoyed calling. Calling the hotline. I enjoyed hearing your takes on what I said, and so I figured, I'll call again.
And at one point. At one point, I made some comments that Bobby, like, I feel there's one. I forgot it wasn't the. When I compared him to doors from Rigo park, it wasn't that one that got him. That was, like, very upsetting. Oh, it was.
Oh, it was when I was trying to get other people to call the hotline, and I was like, you don't have to be good.
Just take Bobby now. Really?
In that little, like, part that I said, you guys missed, like, the part where you were supposed to roast me because I said, bobby and Kevin. Not so good, Cliff. Pretty good. Although last week. We'll see.
[00:17:33] Speaker A: And then I said, you didn't like Margaritaville with him.
[00:17:36] Speaker D: I do, but I didn't eat it three times. Four times.
No offense, Cliff. I haven't liked your calls. I'm just saying. And then I said, and of course I'm amazing. To which I was like, okay, you're gonna roast me for saying that I was amazing. But you kind of, like, focused on the angry Bobby sucks, which is true, but you focused on that part. So then I felt. Then when we met up the next week at the bar, he was, like, a little, like, really? Is that what you did? That's so nice. So I felt badly. I really did feel badly, because Bobby, as we all know, is amazing. Bobby is wonderful.
And so I did the, you know, the official announcement, you know, apology.
And part of it was like, look, the Browns stunk, like, to just, like, rehash every, like, bad thing that everyone Else was gonna call about just seemed boring. So I'm like, let's have some fun on the hotline and, you know, mess with Bobby. Do some, like, funny little shtickles. Those are funny little, like, shticks?
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Is that a word?
[00:18:36] Speaker D: Yeah. Sorry.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: It's.
[00:18:38] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: I thought you were a teacher.
[00:18:40] Speaker D: I am a teacher.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:18:42] Speaker D: Yeah. Funny little, like, like stick shticks and like, one of them. Like, one week, I did. I did a poem. Like, I was just trying to make it.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: The poem was good. It inspired me to do my own Christmas poem at the beginning of the show. So.
[00:18:54] Speaker D: Right. So. And then, and then, and then, obviously, the week where, where, Where Bobby stole my seat was also the week where I brought a lot of food for.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: The and only got one ticket.
[00:19:06] Speaker D: No, see, here's what happened.
[00:19:07] Speaker B: He got 15 tickets.
[00:19:09] Speaker D: I didn't.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: Who won the jersey?
[00:19:11] Speaker A: Who won the jersey? Hold on, Bobby, it's not your turn yet.
[00:19:13] Speaker D: For the record, I did get 15 tickets for what I brought. What happened was, as I said, I'm not gonna schlep in two huge boxes filled with cans from Aldi into the place to just bring it out to Bobby's car. So I waited by my car. So Bobby showed up at 12:15 or so, which, by the way, the place opens at 12. But 12:15, Bobby showed up, and I.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: That sounds about right.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:35] Speaker D: So I'm like, okay, this is perfect, Bobby. Here's my two huge boxes filled with cans. And he's like, that looks like five tickets worth. He was joking, admittedly. He was probably joking, I'll give him that. But the way he said it in the moment, I got ticked off. I have a short fuse. I admit that. I have a very short fuse. I've been known to say or do things that I regret now, but the fact is, I got a little perturbed, and I'm like, I started going in on him because some other guy brings, like, 1k can of tuna. And that's like, oh, let's give him seven tickets and, like, two huge boxes. And it's like, oh, maybe we should give him, like, a half a ticket. He gave me 15. I, I, I, I, I do want to say, like, he did give me 15 tickets. I did end up winning the, the jersey raffle.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: So you won and you were upset.
[00:20:30] Speaker D: I won, like, three weeks later, so.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Okay.
[00:20:33] Speaker C: The last game of the year, and.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: Now I gotta find a.
[00:20:36] Speaker C: Now I gotta find a Carson Swissinger jersey, which I can't find.
[00:20:41] Speaker A: All right, well, listen, I feel like we've Got a much more complete picture of what happened.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: I didn't hear my knockham side of the seat stealing.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, the seat stealing. Don't forget that.
[00:20:49] Speaker D: I mean, he took my seat.
[00:20:52] Speaker A: How long have you been sitting there for the part?
[00:20:54] Speaker D: Well, as I said in the call, it's been decades for the last two years.
But you have to understand, like, I. I understood for the party, because the party, we need. The room there is fine. Totally. I sat on the whole other end. I sat on the other end, by the way. No one else sat near me.
I was like all by myself in my corner.
[00:21:16] Speaker A: They could feel it. You said you had a short fuse. You were about to explode that day. They said we gotta stay away.
[00:21:21] Speaker D: Like it was me sitting in that corner with like three people's coats.
Like it was.
[00:21:29] Speaker C: I almost.
[00:21:29] Speaker D: I mean, I'm glad I didn't have certain people end up sitting next to me. They made some seats at the bar. They found some seats at the bar for certain people that. That didn't end up having to sit next to me, which was wonderful for me. Cause again, the short fuse part.
And then the next week, Bobby's like, oh, this is a great idea. This is such a great. This is such a great position to sit in. And by the way, the problem is everyone comes to him for tickets, so he sits there. And now if he's sitting in the corner, he's now blocked. Because now I'm sitting not in the corner, so I'm blocking people from getting to him. So really, it wasn't a smart idea. Like, forget everything else. It was just a. It was bad planning when there's someone sitting in that seat. The week of the party, the tables were like, a little further away, so it was easier to handle the traffic coming through. But between, like, me and this gentleman named Dino, we were kind of like. We were kind of like blocked. We were kind of blockading the. The area. So. So Bobby was like, by himself.
[00:22:30] Speaker A: So we should have got Dino.
[00:22:32] Speaker C: I moved it back.
[00:22:34] Speaker D: Yeah, so we moved it back and I got my seat for the last week.
Thank goodness I got my seat for the last week or else there'd be, you know, there'd be hells to pay.
He'd get his.
[00:22:46] Speaker A: So it's. It. It sounds to me like this is like we got Angry Bobby versus Angry Manaka.
Should we call them Mad Menockum? That's more illiterate.
So we got Angry Bobby and Mad Monocum, and it's like a. Like a. Like a powder keg meets a lit Match and you guys just go at it after you guys get angry. And that's what happens here. That's what I'm reading into this whole thing.
[00:23:14] Speaker D: The truth is. The truth is Bobby has been a wonderful friend for, for as. For many years to me. I really do appreciate him.
And again, part of it is really just like for the bit.
But, but I was upset that he stole my seat that week.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: So if we're power ranking the Angry Bobby family in mid January 2026, where do we stand?
[00:23:37] Speaker D: So first of all, Mrs. Angry Bobby's always number one.
And then tied in second is Timmy, Kevin and Angry Bobby, Mrs.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: Still in life. Mrs.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: Angry Bobby has to put up with that entire family.
She's a saint.
Is there a. Is there a Mrs. Menachem? Because she's, she's got to be a saint too.
[00:23:58] Speaker D: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: You hear that, ladies?
[00:24:01] Speaker B: You hear that your boy is single.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you better be careful, angry Bobby. Mr. Steal your girl over there ranking your wife high.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Well, I'm glad, I'm glad that we got this out. I feel, I feel better about it now that we have have. We have. It feels like we have some, some closure to this whole saga.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: I don't know if there's closure. You guys better talk shit non stop next year.
[00:24:24] Speaker C: Next year.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Wait till next season.
[00:24:26] Speaker D: Yeah, we'll find something new to fight about. Don't worry.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: Absolutely. A couple things I want to know as we've done this too. You guys are wearing a pretty phenomenal hat. Tell us about those hats there.
Well, they're different actually, I'm noticing, but.
[00:24:41] Speaker C: We got three versions. So this is the one that Andre Schmidt was wearing. It's got the, this is a little gray with the orange.
This is Monochrom's got my favorite one.
It's like a brown with a little beige in the back.
[00:24:56] Speaker D: And then this is the one that, that me, Scott and Josh Elmore are wearing.
[00:25:01] Speaker C: Yes, yes.
That's the favorite one. People like that one.
Then we have an all orange one.
[00:25:08] Speaker A: Is that the official hat of the Brownsbackers of North Jersey?
[00:25:13] Speaker C: Had the Browns back in North Jersey.
[00:25:15] Speaker A: Also I'd like to comment on the Brownsbackers North Jersey vs. North Jersey Brownsbackers thing. You guys are very much like us. You just like to come up with the longest possible title that you can. I didn't name it came with when.
[00:25:26] Speaker C: I was president of the club. Became the member of the club.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: You're the president. Angry Bobby. Change it.
[00:25:31] Speaker C: I made it. We. We turned into a business. Now I have all. I have checks and all that stuff. That's our business name. Brown's back in North Jersey Inc.
You.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: Need to sign up for a DBA of North Jersey Brownsbackers and shorten it for everyone.
[00:25:44] Speaker B: I'm gonna start saying Brownsbackers with North Jersey Inc. Yeah. Every time we talk about them.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: But no, those are. Those are the official Going in the chat.
[00:25:51] Speaker D: By the way, Brown's back in North Jersey Inc. For sure.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: Is. That is. So that's the official hat of. Of your guys club now, right?
[00:26:00] Speaker C: Correct.
[00:26:01] Speaker A: And the shirt.
[00:26:02] Speaker C: Now we got our shirt. He's got an old shirt on, but I should have had my son. So basically our official shirt now is the.
This logo on ours on the front, on the. On the chest, and then the big. The big logo on the back.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: So did you guys get rid of the elf holding all the.
[00:26:21] Speaker C: No, we have that. That's. That's our. That's our monochromas wearing. There was a. There was a time where.
There was a time, I would say two or three years ago, where you could not.
You could. The NFL would not allow you to alter the ELF for whatever reason.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: I have no idea.
[00:26:41] Speaker D: And Bobby was like, what the hell are you doing?
[00:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah, so we had it.
[00:26:44] Speaker C: We had to change the logo, and we got rid of the signs with just the ELF standing there. That was it.
And then I saw some logos with the ELF modified. I'm like, hey, what's going on? So I emailed and they said, send it to us. So I did, and they said, okay, you can use that. So we went back to the old. We went back to the science logo.
[00:27:03] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: So is this alternate logo is what you're telling me?
[00:27:06] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That's an alternate one. We don't use that one anymore. And if you notice.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: No, no, the one on your hat.
[00:27:10] Speaker B: The.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: The new one.
[00:27:11] Speaker C: Yeah, this is the alternate one. This is an alternate one.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: Okay, gotcha.
[00:27:15] Speaker C: Good for hats. You really can't put the other logo on a hat. Did you notice that when you guys.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: Interviewed Tuscaroras, it's almost the same as yours?
[00:27:23] Speaker C: Yes.
And they came up to us and we became really good friends with him at the. At the President Summit. They're like, hey, man, we loved your logo. We had a. We had to use it, so. But it's all good. I. I'm honored that they used our art design.
[00:27:39] Speaker A: See that. What's the. What's the saying?
[00:27:43] Speaker B: Imitation sincerest form of flattery.
[00:27:46] Speaker A: Yeah, there it is.
It was good. I wasn't really asking you. Even though I looked at you, I knew you were asking.
[00:27:51] Speaker B: Menachem. Yeah, I know. He's the word smack, myth.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: And does. Does he. Does he make sure that he holds that over YouTube, Bobby, that he's a lot smarter than you?
[00:28:02] Speaker C: Yeah. And again. And me.
Me and Kevin always talk about this, too, after we call into the hotline and you guys listen to it.
And Kenny Thunder is always like.
He always corrects us, like, hey, this is why this happened. This.
You know, he didn't pass good because it was really windy that day.
And he just goes. Kevin's like, you know what? He's right. You know, maybe we should think about what we say. That's why I started calling it on Mondays.
[00:28:31] Speaker A: I like the weeks that we get double takes from you, Bobby. We get the. The initial just raw reaction that may or may not include some alcoholic beverages.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Raw dog, Bobby.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And then on Monday, you call in and you're sober and you've thought about it for a minute, and you're like, wait a second. This is what I actually so that.
[00:28:47] Speaker C: So that's what happens at the games. Because men, when he's in his regular seat, sits right next to me, and I yell at the TV and he corrects me, it's like, oh, that's. You know, this is why they did that.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: So, yeah, he's a very rational Browns fan until he gets angry, until that.
[00:29:02] Speaker C: Fuse is lit, and then he's other people. Then he hears other people yell. Then he comes up and he goes, well, this is why they did that.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
So it sounds like. It sounds like you're a condescending asshole.
[00:29:17] Speaker D: I've been called worse than that. So I can handle.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: Like, everybody just has takes. And you're like, no, shut the up.
No.
[00:29:26] Speaker D: Okay.
Some of the people in our group are really, really dumb, dude. They're nice.
[00:29:35] Speaker C: They're.
[00:29:36] Speaker D: That they're too dumb to listen to this.
[00:29:40] Speaker A: Now. We're gonna get in trouble. Everybody in the club next year is week one. They're gonna be like, who was Manassem talking?
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Start calling, bitching about Menachem.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Them.
[00:29:47] Speaker D: We're gonna have to take, like, an iq, give an IQ test to see who's who. It is the problem.
[00:29:53] Speaker A: Bobby, do you agree with this statement that there's multiple dumb people in your club?
[00:29:56] Speaker C: I would.
I'm not saying anything.
[00:30:01] Speaker A: Spoken like a true politician.
[00:30:03] Speaker D: The president, that he is president of the club because it. The. The stupidity bothers me. It really does, man. Bothers Bobby, too, but he just. He just saves it. For the chat.
[00:30:13] Speaker A: Bobby, aren't you glad we're starting some with your group this. This week?
[00:30:16] Speaker C: That's all right.
[00:30:18] Speaker B: Angry. Do you have a gross total receipt you guys took in this year as far as just. Just money you guys raised altogether for the whole season?
[00:30:27] Speaker C: Well, I could say that we donated.
We donated almost 15,000.
[00:30:33] Speaker A: Hell yes.
Hell yes.
[00:30:35] Speaker C: That's a good number of not even 50 members.
That's was like 15,000.
[00:30:40] Speaker B: That's incredible.
[00:30:40] Speaker A: That's incredible.
[00:30:41] Speaker D: And we don't go out for margaritas after the game.
Sorry, Cliff.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: Cliff was.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: Cliff's going to be listening this week. He's like, I'm never going to this down.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: I don't think Cliff's ever going to call us back after we did that to him.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: He actually made a real nice post on. On Facebook. It was like, I'm sorry, I didn't know they would play all of them. And I'm like, well, what did you think was gonna happen? Of course we are.
No, but guys, listen, before we. Well, actually, one last thing. I did see you mentioned it real quick, Bobby, that Andre Schmidt was out there and his.
He's affiliated unofficially some sort of way with your club. I think family member or something. Something happened where they're. They. They close to your club and I saw that he signed a number of things for you guys, right? And he had your hat on, correct?
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's his. His girlfriend soon.
His girlfriend lives in the town next to us.
So his. His girlfriend's aunt and family came to watch the Browns and. And I like she did. They didn't come every week. I get it. You know, when. When you. When you're related to a kicker, it's so tough.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: Like.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: And I'm sure, I mean as we were. And I. As I know you were at times and it's know fans are brutal on the kickers. So.
[00:31:56] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, after.
He did so well after that week one.
[00:32:01] Speaker A: Oh, he did.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: He did.
[00:32:02] Speaker C: You know, he's.
[00:32:03] Speaker A: I don't know if I know you guys listen. So I don't know if you heard Kenny give him his flowers, but he was like, look, this guy is. Is performed very well. From the minute I criticized him until now. He's been great. So.
[00:32:14] Speaker C: Right.
[00:32:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
Well, I guess before we wrap things.
[00:32:18] Speaker C: Real quick, you want to see T bone.
Yeah, he probably won't come in.
Timmy, just say, say hey see. Say hi, Timmy.
[00:32:28] Speaker B: Did you get a haircut?
[00:32:29] Speaker E: I got my haircut.
[00:32:30] Speaker A: I'm a real person.
He's real.
Timmy. We appreciate the calls on the hot take hotline. Keep them coming.
[00:32:37] Speaker E: Sorry I'm so drunk all the time.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: That's okay.
[00:32:39] Speaker B: That's what we're here for. That's the way we like it.
[00:32:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: A real quick question before you finish up, guys. Obviously, I mean, you know, new head coach. You guys got a front runner in the mix here, Somebody you'd prefer to see? Here, here.
[00:32:50] Speaker D: Bobby wants Hugh Jackson back.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: That's it.
[00:32:54] Speaker B: The call's over. See you.
[00:32:56] Speaker C: Ten years ago today, he was hired.
[00:32:59] Speaker E: That's right.
[00:33:00] Speaker A: Don't remind us.
Yeah. We'll start with you, Bobby. Who you want?
[00:33:04] Speaker C: I would like them to keep Schwartz just for the continuity, but I don't think that's going to happen.
My front run right now is McDaniel. That's, that's who I think.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: Well, there's an S on the end of his name. So it's McDaniels.
[00:33:19] Speaker B: We're always correct and angry about.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: Look at his face.
I so mad.
He went and fact checked it. He was like, no, it's not. I swear it's not.
Yeah, no, I, I'm, I'm with you, Bobby.
And then Monaco. Who you got for your front runner here?
[00:33:40] Speaker D: I, I, I honestly don't have anyone. I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: Which means you don't have anybody. Kind of a take. You don't. So your take is you don't have a take.
[00:33:49] Speaker D: I'm, I'm if you've noticed, by the way, when I call the hot, my takes are more like lukewarm. Not even lukewarm.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: Not even.
[00:33:58] Speaker B: They're like room temperature.
[00:34:00] Speaker D: Room temperature.
[00:34:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:01] Speaker D: That's a good way.
[00:34:01] Speaker A: You better pick it up or we're gonna start on you too.
[00:34:03] Speaker D: All right, well, that's why I just keep on Bobby. I figured if I do that, I at least have that going for me.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: Which is, which is. No, there's no more free passes. You tell me who you want as a coach right now.
[00:34:14] Speaker D: I want, I want, I want Angry Bobby as my, as the next coach. He knows, he knows everything about football.
He's the greatest, he's the smartest. And he'll hire me as an assistant.
So it's a win.
[00:34:24] Speaker C: Win.
[00:34:26] Speaker D: No all jokes. I would, I would. I'm intrigued by some of these younger names.
The guy from Jacksonville with the weird last name that starts with a U. I mean, I guess I should talk. I have a weird last name too. But they.
He's intriguing the guy from the Rams, Schneezhausen.
He's intriguing.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: Schielhouse And Yudinsky are the two that exact.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:51] Speaker D: So those guys, they're intriguing. I don't know if they're going to be good.
When, when Sean McVeigh was first hired with the Rams, he had Wade Phillips as his defensive coordinator, which was a big deal.
You keep, you get one of these young guys and you keep a Jim Schwartz as angry Bobby said, I want.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: To keep Jim Schwartz.
[00:35:07] Speaker D: Not sure he's gonna stay. Yeah, but that was talks.
It's my, it's my other guy in the conversation voice.
[00:35:15] Speaker A: I got you. I gotcha. All right.
All right. So that's coaches. We appreciate that you finally, you gave an answer even though you gave two guys. So I guess we'll accept it. But the next, the only other question we had for you football related today because today was about you guys and you're in your shit. But day one, QB1, who you guys think it's going to be? Shador Sanders, desean Watson or someone else?
Oh, we got, we got different opinions.
You think they're going away for it? You think the new coach is going away from Shador Sanders?
Bobby D.
Yes.
[00:35:49] Speaker C: Yes. I don't know.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: It doesn't matter who the coach is. You think they're going away from him.
[00:35:53] Speaker C: I don't even know if Shador is going to be on a team, to.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: Be honest with you.
Okay.
[00:35:58] Speaker D: You keep Shador for this year. You let him see what he could do. Worst case scenario, we suck again, which is probable. And we, and we, we, we have a high draft pick next year when we have a chance of Arch Manning or Julian Saint in. Or the, the Dante Moore who just announced that he was going back to Oregon. A lot of good options for next year. Quarterback high quarterbacks. I would, I would definitely go for, for one of those.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: I'm really starting to see Monkham's game here. He just like verbatim spit out everything that we've been saying for weeks and so I think he's trying to endear himself to the Burn river sports too.
[00:36:34] Speaker C: He can be the quarterback for one year and that's it, you know.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: Yeah, but, but I think, I think what Menachem's trying to do here is get on our good side so we don't talk to him.
[00:36:42] Speaker D: That's, that's one thing. The, with Shador, if it does work out, then you, then, then you have the long term plan. With Watson it's, it's, you know, yeah, maybe it works out. But how, how much longer do you really want him on the team?
[00:36:55] Speaker B: Can you Imagine if Deshaun Watson played next year and was really good and they had to extend him another five years.
[00:37:03] Speaker C: That's the Browns, though.
[00:37:04] Speaker A: That's.
[00:37:04] Speaker C: That's the Browns.
[00:37:05] Speaker A: That could.
[00:37:05] Speaker C: That could be. Definitely happen.
[00:37:08] Speaker A: And then he sucked again the following year after he got another contract. That's. That's what would happen.
[00:37:12] Speaker B: This is my worst nightmare. I can't even. Yeah.
[00:37:14] Speaker D: And then whoever gets hired as the coach this year gets fired after that year. And we're back to square one once again.
[00:37:20] Speaker B: There we go. Life is a Browns fan. Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure.
[00:37:24] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: We appreciate everything you guys do.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: Yeah, we appreciate you being loyal listeners to the show and also all the hard work that you're putting in out there in North Jersey to help those charities. You said around 15k is. Is phenomenal. Keep up the good work. You guys are kicking ass. All right, guys, take it easy. We'll have you back on as soon as this heats up again.
[00:37:41] Speaker D: End.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: All right, Sounds good.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: We are Browns.
[00:37:51] Speaker C: Burning river sports cast.
Go Browns.
[00:37:54] Speaker A: Go Brown.
John, We're.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: We're using that one.
[00:37:58] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the one.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: That's the best.
They got problems over there, man.
[00:38:07] Speaker A: I mean, I guess not anymore. We settled. Some of them didn't sell. I don't know where we're. I honestly don't know where we stand.
[00:38:12] Speaker B: I feel like we left it in a good spot.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: Are you sure?
[00:38:14] Speaker B: I feel like we demystified the tension that was in the room and angry Bobby felt one way, monoch compelled the other. They duked it out, and it's all just a bunch of dookie.
[00:38:25] Speaker D: Just.
[00:38:25] Speaker E: Just imagine the service you guys just did for them. They made over, what, 15 grand this year for charitable donation. Just imagine what they can do next year when they're.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: When they're all on the same page.
[00:38:34] Speaker E: We're all on the same page.
[00:38:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
[00:38:37] Speaker A: You know what?
[00:38:37] Speaker B: We just did a service for the North Jersey Browns backers.
[00:38:40] Speaker A: We did. We did. You're welcome.
[00:38:42] Speaker B: You're welcome.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: You're welcome. That's why you come to the Burning.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: River Sportscast for therapy.
[00:38:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: Couples therapy.
[00:38:48] Speaker A: And now to the Browns. It's time for the Browns brief.
All right, the Browns. We got Brown's coaching search updates for you guys, because I'm actually surprised that it seems like they're nowhere near actually picking a guy yet.
[00:39:12] Speaker B: I mean, frankly, it's bad for the show, right? Like, if this thing gets dragged, like, I want to know who the coach is so we can talk about it and start thinking about what next year is going to look like and instead it's like, oh, we're going to take our sweet ass time with this.
[00:39:25] Speaker A: Well, in addition to that, there, there are several teams now looking for head coaches. The longer you wait, the less candidates that will be available that are your top choices because eventually these guys are going to start landing somewhere.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: But the longer they wait, the more candidates become available.
[00:39:40] Speaker A: Also true. I think we finally reached like, like they can't, like the turnover is over. Like this is where we're going to be.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: You may have one or two other coordinators that get let loose from some of these playoff teams, but honestly, like if you're in the divisional round of the playoffs, like you did something right this year.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Like most of the guys that are getting less let loose from, from playoff teams are the ones that first round losers. Like we'll talk about some here in a minute. But, but yeah, so the, this is, this is the update. We have the guys that have officially interviewed with the Browns so far. They've interviewed our defensive coordinator, Jim Schwartz, our offensive coordinator Tommy Reese, Cincinnati's offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher, Seattle's defensive coordinator Aiden Dirty, Baltimore's offense, former offensive coordinator Todd Monkin.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: Tom Monken was here as well, right? Wasn't he?
[00:40:32] Speaker A: At one point? Yes.
[00:40:33] Speaker E: Not that long for a season, right?
[00:40:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And then we've also interviewed former head coach of the Miami Dolphins, Mike McDaniel.
And so I mean, between those guys, is there anybody that you guys look at and you say this is the clear front? I will tell you this. This, the media, sports books, everybody else has Mike McDaniel almost as a shoe in for this thing at this point. Do you guys. Is that where you guys stand on this or what are your thoughts on this, this first list of officially interviewed guys?
[00:41:06] Speaker B: I mean, I don't hate the idea of Mike McDaniel here.
I think it makes a lot of sense given what they need and what they want. Right. They want an innovative offensive mind. They feel like the defense is in a good spot. Like he's a guy that worked with, you know, whatever you think of Tua ultimately was a fairly accurate kind of weak arm quarterback.
And I think that Shedeur is probably at least, at least as capable as Tua and maybe has a higher ceiling.
[00:41:35] Speaker A: The fact that Tua performed as well as he did for as long as he did before the wheels kind of fell off is pretty phenomenal achievement.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, I guess what I'm saying is like he had success without having a top flight quarterback. And kind of made him respectable for a minute.
And I think Shador, if that's your plan going forward, is at least as capable, and maybe someday it'll be even better. But I think he makes a lot of sense. I mean, do you think if they.
[00:42:01] Speaker A: Go with Mike McDaniel, you get to keep Jim Schwartz?
You know, this.
[00:42:05] Speaker B: The longer this goes on, this conversation goes on, this is starting to really bug me.
I'm as much of a Jim Schwartz guy as the next. Right. We have the shorts. We sell Jim Shorts. Jim Schwartz. We love Jim Schwartz.
[00:42:15] Speaker A: We haven't got a pair better before.
[00:42:17] Speaker B: He's had one of the better defenses in the NFL for the time, for his tenure here, but almost unanimously out of the mouths of Browns fans is, well, I'd like this guy or that guy, but I wanted to retain Jim Schwartz.
The reality is, like, there's very few head coaches that ever come in to take the new gig that don't bring in their own staff.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: Agree.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: And I think Browns fans have to get out of their fears because I think we put so much stock and emphasis on, like, well, the defense is good, so we want to keep that stable and in the same unit together. I understand the logic behind it, but it's, A, not realistic, and B, what if this defense can be better if they bring in the. If you're. If you're going to have faith that they're going to bring in the right guy, maybe you bring in a guy that takes this defense to the next level instead of just where this defense has been. Guys, again, love Jim Schwartz, think he's done a phenomenal job here, but this team has struggled at times stopping the run.
We've seen even Miles Garrett. Look, there's a lot of detractors on Miles Garrett. People say that he doesn't give full effort on every play. I'm not in that group anymore. But, like, those are all. Those are all criticisms that we've heard of this Jim Schwartz defense, that they've kind of disappeared in big moments in games. So I just think we have to get out of our fears as Browns fans and walk away from the stability that the Shorts defense has been and say, what is the next evolution? What is the next step for this defense to get better? And it probably comes with a new head coach.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: Yeah, agreed.
As far as the fans go, I mean, I say it all the time. I would love to keep Jim Schwartz, but I agree with the sentiment and the fact that he's.
Realistically, there's little chance that he's staying the only thing I would say as far as why I think a lot of fans are clamoring for this, I think this would have been shut down immediately if Andrew Barry wouldn't have come out and said like, well, I don't know if he actually said it, but it was leaked that the Browns are telling head coaching candidates that they would, they would prefer to keep Jim Schwartz.
And so I think if that story wouldn't have come out, I don't think fans would be holding on to it as much.
[00:44:25] Speaker B: Again though, I just go back to like the, the unrealistic, like anti pragmatic approach that is to building a football team and a coaching staff. Can you imagine if you bring in a guy like Mike McCarthy and you say, hey, we believe in what you want to do, we believe in your vision going forward, but we want you to keep this old hold on over. Like, to me, that doesn't speak to a head coach that is going to come in and be an ass kicker and a leader on day one. And a guy that can, is, is, is an organization when the first, your.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: First move is a rollover.
[00:44:54] Speaker B: Yeah. When your first move is a roll. Like, to me, in order to fill that role as a head coach, if you're saying, hey, I have to keep these guys, that means they're hiring a yes man. They're hiring a guy that doesn't have a backbone. A guy that's going to come in and say, I'll do whatever the company line is and I'll, I'll take my money for it.
[00:45:10] Speaker A: So the only, the only thing that I'm laughing about right now is you, you mentioned somebody coming in and being an ass kicker. Well, if you're looking for that, Mike McDaniel has to stand on his tippy toes to talk over the podium. So.
[00:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah, he wears $100,000 watches.
[00:45:25] Speaker D: So that's fair.
[00:45:26] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, I mean, you got me there. But I'm just saying, like, it just, it's just funny thinking of Mike McDaniel as an ass kicker.
[00:45:34] Speaker B: He's, he's a Rolex wearing limousine, riding.
[00:45:37] Speaker A: Jet plane, flying pierogi, Prince of Northeast Ohio.
[00:45:41] Speaker B: Northeast Ohio.
[00:45:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:43] Speaker B: And you gotta hold these alligators down.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:47] Speaker B: I don't know. Look, from an attitude standpoint, I mean, he's, you know, infamous for his sprints on and off the field and in, in, like out of the tunnel and stuff onto the field on game day and stuff. Like, I don't know, he's a high energy guy. So like, can he kick Miles Garrett's ass. Like, he's probably not gonna beat up Miles Garrett, but I think that he's somebody that can light a fire higher under players, more so than at least what we've watched for the last six years.
[00:46:08] Speaker A: What do you think, Bon? You think Mike McDaniel can take miles Garrett?
[00:46:12] Speaker E: Oh, no. He would crush him.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: I don't know when this might be a referendum.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: Mike McDaniel would crush Miles Garrett.
[00:46:17] Speaker E: No.
[00:46:17] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, okay. That's a hot take for a second.
[00:46:20] Speaker B: Imagine if that was the Browns litmus test. They come in and they're like, you beat them one on one with a Miles Garrett who wins. Two men entered, one man comes out. Welcome to the Thunderdome, Bay.
We just cross them off as we go.
[00:46:33] Speaker A: Bone, do you have a guy that sticks out with you for you on this list?
[00:46:38] Speaker E: These. Honestly, not really.
I mean, Jim Schwartz is the only one I really know about.
You see Mike Daniel from a distance, just coaching Miami, but Jim Schwartz is funny.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: We talk about ass kickers. That's what we're talking about right now. He's funny because at like 65 years old or whatever the hell he is, like, he can finally kick some ass.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: He looks. Jack, he looks like a years past.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: In other previous, like when he was the head coach of the Lions. He wasn't kicking anyone's ass.
[00:47:07] Speaker B: He's a slightly more imposing figure than Mike McDaniel.
[00:47:10] Speaker E: Yeah, I also wouldn't be opposed to Mike McDaniel either. I. Yeah, he could come in and do a great job. I don't know. We're not going to know until it freaking happens. But is the. Is the next Sean McVeigh on the list? Nobody freaking knows. Kevin O', Connell, whatever you name the coaches had success in the last few.
[00:47:26] Speaker A: Years is like, well, and that's where it gets interesting. So we will. We'll get into. I'm going to get into interview scheduled, requested interviews, all that stuff here before you get there.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: That was my final point, was that this crop of candidates is very interesting because there's not a whole lot of like, established veteran NFL head coaches. There's a lot more of the young coordinator breed that is being talked about, not just for the Browns, but for all the head coach vacancies.
[00:47:48] Speaker A: To be fair, Andrew Barry kind of spelled it out for us, is like, outside of like the potential of. Of going with like, Jim Schwartz potentially as the head coach.
He kind of said in. In his end of the season press conference, he said, we're looking for somebody that's young and innovative. And it sounds like you just read between the lines. It's like we're looking for an up and comer. We're not necessarily looking for the guy that's the established head coach that's been here for a long time.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: Well, but I'll tell you right now though, if money were enough to get Mike Tomlin here or John Harbaugh here, I mean which we'll get to those guys, I think that, that, that is a stable move forward.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: Agreed.
I don't think that's lost on them either. Even. Even though they're, you know, Andrew Barry's the whole analytics forward thinking, whatever. Like I do think that there's something to be said for this guy has a Super bowl and he's been there.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: I just think those guys probably are going to be able to pick their next role. Right. I mean they're probably not coming to Cleveland just because it is such a dumpster fire and those guys are going to get first pick of the litter.
[00:48:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Would you, would you come to Cleveland?
[00:48:52] Speaker B: I look, we'll get, we'll get to those guys.
We talk about this all the time. Right. That Cleveland's not this like destination city.
And that always is such a laughable non starter for me because it's one of 32. It's one of 32 of the best jobs on the planet where you're going to make a ton of money and have a chance to put your print out there somewhere. Whatever that print becomes in Cleveland. I don't know but like you're going to have your opportunity.
[00:49:17] Speaker A: Yeah. And so let's. Of all those guys, I'm probably with you. Mike McDaniel probably makes the most sense.
And again even though I agreed with you on the Jim Schwartz point, like I still wouldn't mind Jim Schwartz staying and I think like that's. That probably makes sense. Is is a young offensive guy and Mike McDaniel and then Jim Schwartz is the State like the, the just taking care of the defense. Like it's like it works with a lot of teams is where you have the head coach is the guy that takes care of the offense. That's what he focuses on. And then you got the letting the defensive guy run the defense didn't work for us with Kevin but.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: Well, I just think like the mind final point on this whole coaching search is just like think about where the Browns are right now and where they've been and think about if you were building a football team, what would. What are all the things that you would want them to be? Right. Disciplined Explosive, imaginative offense, stout defense, like aggressive defenders that are going to get after the quarterback. Like all the things that you would want to build here are the opposite of what this team is right now and what Kevin Stefanski had built here. So I don't know that like you can really screw this up with any of these guys.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: Well, I mean you say it all.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: The time, going to at least head down a path.
[00:50:27] Speaker A: You know what the, the what's common between all of these guys is their name is not Kevin Stefanski.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: Right.
[00:50:33] Speaker A: So regardless, any of these guys is going to be better than Kevin Stefanski. Next up we got interview scheduled. They have Jesse Minter is sched defensive coordinator for the Chargers scheduled for Friday, January 16th.
So we'll see how that goes. And then requested interviews. This one is, is supposedly been granted and an interview is being worked out, but it just hasn't been officially scheduled yet or at least not released yet. Grant Yudinsky, offense coordinator of the Jaguars this one's interesting just because he's being talked about as like a young guru that's rose through the ranks really, really fast. Kevin o' Connell said of him, quote, interviewing Grant was like interviewing a guy who could build a car from scratch for a job at a car wash.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: Yeah, that was an interesting line.
[00:51:18] Speaker A: So I mean it's just very interesting. And here's he would become the youngest coach in NFL history if he got the Browns job. He just turned 30.
[00:51:28] Speaker B: I'm not opposed to bringing a young guy here. I just, I just have seen so many other teams bring in a retread that had a second opportunity at it and then they were. And they were decent to above average. And that's all that I want as a Browns fan is for my team to be watchable on Sundays. And I feel like a lot of these guys get there. I feel like there's more gamble with the young up and comer.
[00:51:48] Speaker A: Yep. So Grant Udinsky under the requested an interview category.
We've also requested an interview with Chris Shula, defense coordinator for the Rams, John Harbaugh, former Baltimore head coach and Nate Shieldhouse, the passing game coordinator for the Chargers. So you'll, you'll see as we get through this list. So that's Jesse mentor, Nate Shieldhouse and then we'll also eventually as a as in a different category, we'll get to Greg Roman. We, we just want to interview the entire Charger organization. We think they're great, but yeah, I mean we'll get through the rest of these guys and then we'll talk about who we like. For anybody that's not actually interviewed yet. Reported interest, Joe Brady, offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills, Jeff Halfley, defensive coordinator for Green Bay. And then the wild cards that I threw in here that aren't necessarily tied to us yet, but potentially could be Mike Tomlin, former head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which spoiler alert, spoiler alert, Mike Tomlin got fired and spoiler alert, they mutually parted.
[00:52:50] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:52:50] Speaker A: Okay, you're right. He stepped down, Quote, unquote stepped down. And John Harbaugh did get fired. So we'll talk about those in a little bit. But. And then the other wild card is Greg Roman, offensive coordinator for the Chargers.
[00:53:01] Speaker B: So what a wild time to be alive in the AFC north right now that Zach Taylor is the only, the only coach standing.
[00:53:09] Speaker A: It is wild. It is wild. So of those next of that next group, though, I mean, is there anybody there that sticks out for me? I'll go first on this one.
It actually is Grant Yudinsky. Just because the more I read about this guy and everything that people around the league, coaches and front offices are saying about him, it just is encouraging to say the least.
Now, I know there was several people that said good things about Kevin Stefanski before he came here too, but, but it feels different with Yudinsky because it feels like only a few people said good things about Kevin Stefanski. There's widely recognized as this guy's going to be a big time coach in the NFL.
[00:53:53] Speaker B: You took the words right out of my mouth because that was the next thing I thought after I heard the quote about him being able to build a car from scratch. Seeing the car wash was that sounds to me like smartest guy in the room. That sounds to me like super computer, which I don't have a high tolerance.
[00:54:11] Speaker A: Both of those things are bad.
[00:54:12] Speaker B: I don't have a high tolerance for those things in my front office right now. I don't have a tolerance for those guys trying to outsmart everyone else. There are tried and true methods to building a football team that a lot of teams in the NFL go back to. They revert back to when they're trying to rebuild.
That's where the Browns need to go. They don't need to outsmart everybody at this point. They don't have to be the smartest guy in the room and go, we're going to be so innovative. We're going to be so different different that it just fails because we've been there and done that.
[00:54:38] Speaker A: So of these guys, your favorite, I.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: I mean, again, I, to me, I Would rather see them go with a more established guy. I would love to see, I would love to see Mike Tomlin. I would love to see Harbaugh overall.
[00:54:57] Speaker A: Harbaugh is my guy, but I just don't think it's actually going to happen. But he's the, the not obnoxious Harbaugh brother.
And I mean they have a lot of Cleveland ties. So like the story would be, it would be good too.
[00:55:10] Speaker B: I just can't imagine watching 18 Years of Above average football and being like, let's get rid of this guy.
[00:55:16] Speaker A: Yep. And it happened in Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
[00:55:20] Speaker B: Places.
[00:55:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: I mean it almost just, just, just.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: We talk about all the time. Perspective is a magnificent thing. It's like they, they, we would kill to have the organizations that they have and they're like, this is not good enough.
[00:55:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: Except for that one time we, we had kind of that and then we got the quarterback.
[00:55:37] Speaker B: There were so many excuses made for Kevin Stefanski on his way out the door. I think guys like Tomlin and Harbaugh have a case to be made to say like, you know, in Pittsburgh, Tomlin really hasn't had a quarterback since Ben Roethlisberger was out of his prime. They never addressed that in a significant way from. For him.
And you know, Harbaugh is another one in Baltimore where it's like, okay, you've got a franchise quarterback, but what did you put around him? I mean, they put Derek Henry there.
[00:56:03] Speaker A: Terrible.
[00:56:04] Speaker B: They put Derek Henry there recently, but for most of that time, not a lot of very good running backs and no wide receivers to speak of for the last decade and a half.
[00:56:11] Speaker A: They literally gave him like 30 points a game this year too.
[00:56:14] Speaker B: And the defense is. Feels like it's been rebuilding since 2000. So I just, I feel like those guys didn't get the, the help and the support that could take those teams to the next level.
So anyway, I just, those would be my. I would love to see a veteran guy that's going to come in and just be able to organize and administrate and be the leader of a franchise.
[00:56:37] Speaker A: Bone thoughts there.
[00:56:39] Speaker E: I'm going to give a thought on a young guy just surely based off of football family. Chris Shula.
[00:56:48] Speaker A: Son of hall of Famer.
[00:56:49] Speaker E: Yeah, well, just old school football family. So, you know, maybe he's getting good advice and he's obviously done a good job with the Rams. So wait, sorry, where we at? Yeah, with the Rams defensive coordinator.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: But it would be.
[00:57:02] Speaker E: And he's highly, he's highly thought of. I believe in Coaching circles.
[00:57:06] Speaker A: So I would be surprised if they went with any of these defensive guys because if you look at the list, it is the vast majority of these guys are offensive coordinators, basketball coordinator or head coaches that lean towards the offensive side of the ball. So I would be very surprised if they went with the defense quarter. I think their focus has been on offense through.
[00:57:23] Speaker E: I don't think they're going to go defense coordinator.
[00:57:26] Speaker B: I think we should get Bill Belichick to have a baby with that supermodel girlfriend of his and sign that could do a futures contract for a coach. Yeah.
[00:57:33] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:57:34] Speaker B: In 25 years, you're the guy.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: You got to remember that.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: Nevermind, we'll just wait until then.
[00:57:40] Speaker A: I'm not going to go with where his IQ will be, but yeah, I don't know. I agree. The bottom line line is all of these guys do not have the name Kevin Stefanski. So anybody is going to be better than what they had this year.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:54] Speaker A: Speaking of Mike McCarthy, actually, that was the.
I should have put him under wild card as well because he's still technically with Green Bay. But there's a lot of talk around town that if he becomes available, he shoots up to the top of the list for Brown's head coaches, which I don't, I don't. Not a big fan of. But it is what it is.
[00:58:13] Speaker B: Here's what I'll say too. Around the lines of like, whoever it is isn't Kevin Stefanski. I actually feel like this is a really good crop of candidates. Like, I feel like there's a lot of directions you could go where it does feel like there are years where you're kind of like, when we got.
[00:58:26] Speaker A: Kevin Stefanski, I felt like there wasn't anything like, whoa, this guy jumps off the page.
[00:58:30] Speaker B: Well, yeah. Like they had to hire him the second time around because nobody hired him the first time around, including us.
And you kind of feel like, well, he's just the best available. Like I feel like there's a lot of.
[00:58:40] Speaker A: At the end of the day, they went with who's the most handsome.
True.
[00:58:43] Speaker B: And who has the best education.
[00:58:45] Speaker A: Now he's got some gray hairs. We don't mind letting him go. So it was all over for him.
No, and I will say this, I mentioned it, but. But John Harbaugh is the guy. Like, I would love to have John Harbaugh. But if you don't. If John Harbaugh comes to Cleveland and can't win, like at that point, do all Browns fans just completely resign themselves to the Fact, like, even Harbaugh can't win here, so we are going to suck for forever.
[00:59:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that would be really bad luck.
I. I also kind of take issue with this idea that, like, there's so many better jobs than, Than Cleveland. Like, I know Cleveland's a dumpster file organization, dumpster fire organizationally, but, like, oh.
[00:59:23] Speaker A: He'S the front runner to land the Giants job. You're telling me the Giants are better than.
[00:59:26] Speaker B: Yeah, like, there's some of these other bad. Like Tennessee is. Is in dire straits.
[00:59:31] Speaker A: The wild thing is like, okay, let's talk about this. Let's talk about the Giants and the Brown rounds right now, right? Like, sure, they got Cam Scatter Boo. And if he doesn't get CTE in the off season from putting his head through walls. And, and they got Jackson Dart and everybody talks about this like, this is a phenomenal situation for them. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, the TV's blowing up with Jackson Dart is in the room while what's his. While Harbaugh's interviewing and all this. It's like, you want to talk about Jackson Dart and how they have us. He's literally Shador Sanders, but white.
Like, let's be honest here. They have the same attitude, the same, like, they, they, you know, they, they do a lot of the same things. They have their own brand, their own whatever.
[01:00:13] Speaker B: And his touchdown to interception ratio is better.
[01:00:16] Speaker A: But I'm just saying, like, like the, the. The.
[01:00:19] Speaker B: But I agree.
[01:00:20] Speaker A: Distractions, quote, unquote distractions. Everything else that comes with him. I would argue that Jackson's art is more of a distraction than should wear Sanders.
[01:00:26] Speaker B: I find the first hard to believe that there's some level of thought that he's like, this finished product or he's destined to be a star.
[01:00:32] Speaker A: He threw for 43 yards once this year.
[01:00:34] Speaker B: Yeah, like, he had bad games, too, so.
I agree. Like, I don't. I. That's my point, I guess. Like, I don't see the Giants as like, this can't miss opportunity.
[01:00:43] Speaker A: That was my point on it. The situation is no better than the Browns.
[01:00:46] Speaker B: They could be looking for a quarterback in next year's draft as well.
[01:00:49] Speaker A: Matter of fact, the Brown situation is probably better because we have the number four defense in the entire.
[01:00:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I agree. I mean, I think there's a lot of positives when you consider what is here. The young talent on offense, the. The good defense and a great draft capital.
[01:01:03] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:01:04] Speaker B: So, yeah, there's, there's a case to be made for the Browns being a good Destination especially when considering look all the places that fired coaches fired coaches because they weren't successful. So it's not like you're walking into a ready made organization.
[01:01:20] Speaker A: Except for Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They both fired their coaches because they were sick of winning.
[01:01:24] Speaker B: But Harbaugh can't go back there in time. I guess they could swap. I guess Tomlin could go to Baltimore and Harbaugh could go to Pittsburgh.
[01:01:30] Speaker A: I know this has been running around the Internet. This is old, an old joke by now but it, it, it would be really funny if the AFC north all like swapped coaches like Stefanski ends up in Baltimore, Tomlin ends up in Cleveland and Harbaugh ends up in Pittsburgh or whatever the kid, you know I'm.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: I mean that would be. Look, it's a wild time to be alive. So I, it's a sign of the times.
[01:01:50] Speaker A: Can't discount anything but speak. We just mentioned us having a good defense and that being a good situation for a head coach. The Browns hold the longest active streak of not allowing a 300 yard passer. 45 games it's been since somebody passed for 300 yards on the Browns.
[01:02:07] Speaker B: And this defense is good.
[01:02:09] Speaker A: That is the longest streak since the 05 to 08 Colts Colts.
So I don't know what the overall record is but just, just a phenomenal stat there. 45 games. That's how many. That's three seasons.
[01:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:02:22] Speaker E: That's amazing.
[01:02:22] Speaker B: And what I think is really compelling about this defense is not just guys like Miles and Zell but with Carson here now you have a stud at linebacker which is something this team has not had. I mean for the last few years you've had what was Walker and some of these like retread veteran guys that were, we had who were retired in the off season before training camp. Like that was. He was like a 15 year veteran and he was going to be like.
[01:02:48] Speaker E: The play caller on defense with an H. Right.
[01:02:49] Speaker B: And like but it was just some guy. Right? Like it wasn't Philly.
I don't, I don't even remember.
[01:02:55] Speaker A: You're the fact check.
[01:02:57] Speaker B: But like that's my point. Right. Like we can't even, we can't even name his. But like he was going to coming into camp.
[01:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:01] Speaker B: We were like this guy's going to call the defense. And then it was kind of a gut glow when he left.
[01:03:06] Speaker A: So this team who was, he was on his. He was just about there as a perennial Pro Bowler and then he you know obviously a devastating injury for him. We don't even know if he's coming back yet.
[01:03:15] Speaker B: But J okay was just Jordan Hicks.
[01:03:17] Speaker A: Jordan, Jordan Hicks.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: J okay was just such a different player, though. He was a joke. Is a versatile player.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: I mean, he could have played strong safety and it would have been.
[01:03:26] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Like, you could do a lot of things with him, move him around, which was great. But like, Carson is a prototypical size, speed, strength, middle linebacker type player.
[01:03:36] Speaker A: J okay can get back and play anywhere near the level he was at. You're set at linebacker for years that.
[01:03:40] Speaker B: You now have studs at at all three phases of the defense. Right. You have the defensive line linebacking core and your, your defensive backfield is, is anchored by three really good players.
[01:03:51] Speaker A: And talking about the defensive backfield, I mean, you got guys like Ronnie Hickman ended up being a, he's looked really good at safety.
[01:03:57] Speaker B: Martin Emerson should be back next year.
[01:03:59] Speaker A: And Ronnie Hickman was an undrafted free agent. I mean, like, that's a, that's a good move.
[01:04:03] Speaker B: Feels like you're giving Andrew Barry a lot of credit here.
[01:04:05] Speaker A: No, I, I mentioned undrafted free agent because I'm actually giving the credit to Jim Schwartz and the defensive coaches. Like the fact that you coached him as good as he is. And mind you, he came from Ohio State, he came from a premier program. So I think that he was better than the undrafted free agent status that he ended up getting. But the fact that those coaches have turned him into such a solid player is phenomenal. And he's not the only one. That's just the one that comes to the, you know, is top of my head here.
Yeah.
[01:04:33] Speaker B: This defense, I think, really is on the precipice. Right. Like, they really could get significantly better, especially when you consider they can add more talent now. Right. Like you can continue to build depth. You have Mason Graham there from this year's draft. Like, that's one of those under the radar picks. Even though he was our first pick in the draft. Like, that is going to be a stalwart in your defensive front, especially the second half.
[01:04:55] Speaker A: 7 years he ranked as like top 15 of all DTS in the entire NFL the second half of the year.
[01:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, this defense has a lot of really good players all around. It's going to get better as you go. It's just a matter of who's leading the group at this point.
[01:05:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Now flipping it over to the, you know, the shitty side of the ball, the, the offense.
I don't know if you guys caught this. Jerry Judy, after the season ended, was sending cryptic tweets out.
He Said y' all just don't know. And it's so funny to me. Don't know what the fuck that means, but he's probably the last guy that should be sending cryptic text or tweets when he's led the NFL and drops for two years running.
[01:05:31] Speaker B: Now I just don't even have anything left to say about Jerry Judy because he was such a disappointment this year.
[01:05:37] Speaker A: Dumpster fire.
[01:05:38] Speaker B: It wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. Right? I mean, this offense wasn't good, but he had no.
[01:05:43] Speaker A: I can't tell you the number of times this year that he had like 15 targets and three catches.
[01:05:47] Speaker B: And some of those drops, like, if he makes the catch, like, it's games that you potentially could win, you keep. There were drive killers or fourth down passes that, like, you're just touchdown pass or touchdown pass.
I don't know. Like, again, I think to an extent, like, we have to, again, just get out of our fears of, like, Browns fans. I think more than any other fan base, get attached to these players.
Guys like in Joku, like, and I know he's on our list, but even before he, before his quote this week, week, like, I'm like, that's a guy that you need to move on from. Like, if you can get something, you.
[01:06:22] Speaker A: Know, you got Harold Jr. Like, yeah.
[01:06:24] Speaker B: Like, you got to move on from that guy. And like, this whole offensive line needs reworked. This whole wide receiver room needs reworked. You can't. You can't take any of these guys. Maybe Isaiah Bond is the one guy that you kind of keep as an interesting piece. But like everybody else that is in that wide receiver room, including Jerry Judy, like, you gotta go, you gotta move on. And I don't know that you're gonna get anything for Jerry Judy. Maybe you get a seventh round pick or compensatory pickers, like, something that, like, I don't care. He's got. He's got to go.
He's not making the team.
[01:06:53] Speaker A: And if I honestly, if I'm like the new head coach coming in and I'm seeing all this shit, that's the first guy I'm cutting. Like, I'm like, you're a problem. We got to get rid of you.
[01:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
For all the talk of Shador being a distraction with his social media clowns like this out there actually causing drama for no reason.
[01:07:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And speaking of Brown's past catchers, he talked about a little bit, but David Ajoku is reportedly done in Cleveland court to Chef Z via Honor the Land on Big Play he, this is the quote I got a source that said from the horse's mouth that he said, nah, that ship is sailed. So that's from David Ajoku. Apparently he said, oh, that's already gone. Or that's already done, I'm gone.
Which I, I mean, I. It was his contract year and there hasn't been any talks about an extension or anything like that. Not to mention, we, we actually said this very early in the season. We said we would be very surprised if he wasn't gone by the trade deadline, especially with the emergence of Harold Fanon Jr. And how phenomenal he was in his rookie season. Like, there's no point, honestly, to keep David and Joku. We love David and Joku. I, I think he's a great piece. But he's also on the other side of 30 now, if I'm not mistaken.
[01:08:01] Speaker C: Right.
[01:08:01] Speaker A: Didn't he just have his 30th birthday? 29.
[01:08:03] Speaker B: He's still young. I feel like he's only like 27 or 28. But is he that young? He's just been in the NFL for a long time because. Drafted at like 19 or something stupid.
[01:08:12] Speaker A: But. Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
[01:08:13] Speaker B: But, but regardless, like, I like David.
[01:08:16] Speaker A: And Joku because he's been here, he's.
[01:08:19] Speaker B: Been here long enough to be ancient. Yeah, I like David and Joku a lot. But let's be honest with David and Joku. Like, he's kind of been underwhelming. He said he's had flashes here and there and he's made some ridiculous athletic catches and plays, and he's built like a brick shithouse.
[01:08:34] Speaker A: He'll turn 30 before the season starts.
[01:08:36] Speaker B: Okay, so he's 29. Yeah, he's. He's just a, a mammoth, you know, beast of a man, which is cool. But like, as a pass catcher, he's been underwhelming.
[01:08:46] Speaker A: I mean, well, especially the hype that was around him.
[01:08:49] Speaker B: Like, he's our expectations anyway.
[01:08:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, he's been, he's been above. I would say he's an above average pass catcher, but what we were hoping to get out of him is far more than what we actually have.
[01:08:59] Speaker B: He's got the athleticism to be the top tight end in the league. And I know he hasn't had good quarterback play necessarily, but he has the athleticism, athleticism to be the top guy at his position. And he's never, he's never fulfilled that.
[01:09:12] Speaker A: But let's be honest. Are we, we're Also talking about a guy that has been stuck in Stefanski's offense for almost his entire career.
[01:09:19] Speaker B: All fair, but I agree with a.
[01:09:22] Speaker A: Lot of what you're saying. I'm just saying, like, now I'm like, I just mentioned that fact to myself.
[01:09:28] Speaker B: And I'm like, Chubb was in Stefanski's offense, too, and he shined. So that's true. If you're really good, you'll. You'll show up.
But again, just thinking about holistically, like, get it getting. Getting unattached.
[01:09:39] Speaker A: Unless you're a quarterback, they can't show up in his offense.
[01:09:41] Speaker B: Getting unattached from some of these guys, like in Joku. Look, I love Zell, but Zell's going to be on the wrong side of 30 soon. You're. You're probably not going to get the best of Zell for the next three to five years. Right. But can you get capital for him right now? Can you move him for a younger player?
[01:09:55] Speaker A: He made his pitch to stay with the team for the rest of his career when he shut down Pittsburgh for three places.
[01:10:02] Speaker B: Look, I'm not saying.
[01:10:03] Speaker A: I'm just saying, like, I agree with what you're saying. I'm just saying, like, like, if he's so endeared to the. Just because of that and sure.
[01:10:10] Speaker B: Like, look, again, we would love to see all these guys retire here as Browns. I also want to win a Super bowl, so. Or I don't even want to win this. I just want to be competitive.
[01:10:18] Speaker A: And if.
[01:10:19] Speaker B: If moving on from Zell gets me the capital or a player that's younger that's going to help this defense in the future, I'm would be all for that. But I think that's, like. It's heresy to say that as a Browns fan, because of the. The touchdown stand against Pittsburgh, like, thinking.
[01:10:33] Speaker A: Thinking logically, it makes sense to move on from guys like that. Guys like David Ajoku, guys. Guys like Denzel Ward and build around the young guys.
Realistically, I think David Ajoku is probably somebody you can move on from. I don't think they'd move on from Zell, but that's just. I mean, I don't know. New coach and everything's on the table, right?
[01:10:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I just. I think it has to be.
[01:10:55] Speaker A: I think the only guy that's probably untouchable the entire Browns roster is Miles here.
[01:10:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's fair.
[01:11:00] Speaker A: Even though he's the one talking about potentially going somewhere where he could actually win.
[01:11:04] Speaker B: Hey, we said it before this season and before the contract, it Would have made sense to move on from Miles for the Browns and for Miles now.
[01:11:10] Speaker A: That he won another defense. Well, he hasn't yet, but now that he's going to win another defense, player of the year and he's this. And he has the record for sacks all his single season sack record. Maybe you get even more for him now than he. Than he did before.
[01:11:21] Speaker B: Can you imagine if you had traded Miles in the offseason and you had two first round picks from Miles this year? You had four picks in the first round. What that would do for the future of your team?
[01:11:29] Speaker A: Well, yeah, all of a sudden they're talking about you going from worst to firsts.
Everybody not, not everybody's saying they got. Yeah, they got two first round picks, but they're probably still going to suck.
[01:11:38] Speaker B: Next year and for the next five years.
[01:11:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it would be wild.
[01:11:41] Speaker E: We probably wouldn't have won five games.
[01:11:43] Speaker B: No, probably not. No.
[01:11:45] Speaker A: No.
[01:11:45] Speaker E: I'm just saying we would have a better draft stat.
[01:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah, we'd have the first pick overall.
[01:11:48] Speaker A: Not only would we have two more.
[01:11:50] Speaker B: First round, you have four picks in the top 10. Yeah, yeah.
[01:11:53] Speaker A: Because it's probably a pretty bad team that's trading two first round picks for Miles Garrett.
But yeah. Anyways, speaking of some of these defensive guys, former Brown safety TJ Ward on a podcast this week said that the Browns have the worst group of media in the NFL. Quote, dealing with the reporters. The media in Cleveland is misery.
[01:12:11] Speaker B: Every year.
[01:12:11] Speaker A: They are looking for a fresh start, no matter who it is and where they are.
Except for apparently with Kevin Stefanski. They all fucking love that guy. But in case I need to spell this out to you guys, he's not talking about organizations like us because we actually talk about, like, how it really is in Cleveland. We don't, we don't just say what. Yeah, he's talking about the, the same ones that we complain about a weekly which is like Mary Kay Cabot, Tony Grossi, Anthony Lima, among others. Like these guys.
Just like honestly, listening to them is. I listen to them because I want to hear their takes. And it does give you some insight into what the Browns are actually thinking because stuff that gets out there, they're.
[01:12:48] Speaker B: Plugged in and have in the building. So they hear things before we do. Yeah, but their commentary is where it falls off. It's, it's, it's great for the fact finding, but I don't want to hear their thoughts on it.
[01:12:58] Speaker A: And I'm pretty sure, Tony, don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty Sure. Tony Grossi is the guy that was at the press conference with Kevin. Tsk. Basically, like, I think they did you dirty here.
[01:13:07] Speaker B: Grossi still thinks Dylan Gabriel is the best quarterback. So.
[01:13:10] Speaker A: Tool. He's a tool. He's a tool. So I would agree with you, T.J. ward.
[01:13:14] Speaker B: I agree too.
[01:13:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:13:16] Speaker B: People talk about like the media in New York and stuff being tough. Like, I think the Cleveland media is. Is. Is like one of the worst. Like, they just are. It's just shitty take after shitty take. And I mean, look at the questions Shador fielded this year during press.
[01:13:31] Speaker A: Do you agree with anything your coach does?
[01:13:34] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:13:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:13:35] Speaker B: Did you think it was a good idea to put the ball in your hands on fourth down?
No.
[01:13:38] Speaker A: Do you think it was a good idea to put the ball in somebody else's hands on fourth down?
Do you think anything Kevin Ski says is good?
[01:13:44] Speaker B: Are you against Kevin Friends? Yeah.
[01:13:46] Speaker A: Like it. It. It. No point was anything veiled. Like, you didn't. You didn't even try to hide the fact that you were. You were asking these questions of Shador and trying to get a clip out of it. Like you saw him right away. He's like, that's a terrible question. Why would you ask me that?
[01:13:59] Speaker B: Shador, do you think it was a good idea for them to put you on the field with the wrong plays?
[01:14:03] Speaker A: It's just so. So asinine. So, yeah, T.J. ward, we 100 agree with you. Some of the worst media in the entire NFL. Next up here. Somehow the Browns rookie class led by Shador Sanders, Harold Fanning, Junior Quinn, Sean Judkins, Carson Schwinger, Mason Graham, etc. Were not. Isaiah Bond, I believe, is in that. That class as well, even though he's undrafted free agent. But they were not ranked as the best draft class. That honor went to the aints, mostly because QBs are weighted in accordance to their importance to the team. And she show showed up this year and performed well.
And so While the Browns QBs struggled, their. Their rookie QB struggled for the most part, you know, because we had absolutely no offensive weapons to help them out.
Apparently we got ranked second. I don't. I don't agree with this. I mean, this. As much as I don't like to give Andrew Barry credit for anything, and we've talked about that, this one draft class doesn't make up for all the bad that you've done since you've been here.
This was a phenomenal draft. I don't know how they. They literally led the NFL in like minutes played by rookies production by, like, every stat category possible for rookies. They led everything. So I don't know how you say they didn't have the best rookie class.
[01:15:18] Speaker B: Yeah, look, I mean, the. The reality is, like you said, like, the. The quarterbacks are weighted disproportionately when they look at these types of things, which.
[01:15:29] Speaker A: Is also funny because show got taken much higher than either of our quarterbacks. So.
[01:15:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I think it's interesting and it goes to the way we evaluate NFL talent across the board, not just for these, but, like, for all awards, because Kurt Warner came out this week actually had an interesting take on.
He was excited that he got selected as a voter for, like, the all Pro teams, and then he very quickly realized that he doesn't know anything about special teams or defensive line or, like, some of these other positions. And. And his point was the group that votes on all pro should have specialists from each position instead of just the guys that are crowned by the media to be like, oh, you're the guy. Now. You should have guys that actually have insight into the position, and they should be the ones selecting the players across the board. So I think it just speaks to honors. Like this honors air quotes.
It's a bunch of blowhards in a room that really don't know, but they've, like, paid their dues in NFL circles, and because of that, they get to vote on these.
[01:16:31] Speaker A: Yeah, great insight to the process because basically what Kurt Warner was saying, paraphrasing is I'm just a fan when it comes to, like, the defense. And he said special teams.
[01:16:40] Speaker B: He said, I can evaluate quarterbacks. Like, I think that makes, like, that makes a lot of points.
[01:16:44] Speaker A: I'm just a fan when it comes to other positions because I don't intimately know that position.
[01:16:49] Speaker B: He's like, I'm never going to be able to tell you who the best special teamers are in the league because they just don't pay that much attention to it.
[01:16:54] Speaker A: Now I get to.
[01:16:55] Speaker B: But now I get to. Now I'm charged with having to.
[01:16:58] Speaker A: Yeah. So it is pretty wild. Wild insight into really what goes on behind the curtains and how these Pro Bowlers are actually picked.
I think, I think.
I think that's why there's a big difference between a Pro Bowler and an All Pro.
Right. So is he getting. Is he voting for All Pros or pros? So I guess they're both just complete.
[01:17:19] Speaker B: Well, the Pro bowl is mostly determined by fan vote, so.
[01:17:21] Speaker E: Well, I guess, like, Rookie of the year is fan vote as well. I learned that today I didn't realize that.
[01:17:26] Speaker A: A portion of it, right?
[01:17:27] Speaker E: Portion. Just a portion.
[01:17:28] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:17:28] Speaker A: Yeah. So there's like three different categories, right? Isn't there like, I don't know if.
[01:17:32] Speaker B: They do like NFL GMs. And then there's like a class of like voters like the Kurt Warner who are like the, the class of like whatever board or whatever they call it.
[01:17:40] Speaker A: There's multiple facets to it and there's.
[01:17:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like percentage of. Of different buckets.
[01:17:45] Speaker A: But fans do have a say. And that's ridiculous because when you decide.
[01:17:51] Speaker B: Things like that, you end up with Peyton Hillis on the COVID of Madden.
[01:17:53] Speaker A: That's great accomplishment, fans.
[01:17:57] Speaker B: It was a good accomplishment for us. We don't have a lot of things in the last 20 years to write home about. That was one.
[01:18:02] Speaker A: That was one of them.
[01:18:03] Speaker B: We did get forever. Peyton Hillis is emblazoned with his. With his pig snout face mask on the COVID of Madden oneyear wonder.
[01:18:12] Speaker A: He saved some people at a beach once too, so give him some credit.
[01:18:15] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:18:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:18:16] Speaker B: Good job, Pton Hillis.
[01:18:18] Speaker A: And finally on the Browns, Brie, former Browns qb, dtr, was drafted by this, the Orlando Storm in the ufl.
So I just, I brought this up specifically because for everyone talking about Shador and saying he's the worst dtr, is. Is literally the worst quarterback in NFL history. He heard he holds the record for the worst touchdown to interception ratio in the history of the NFL at 1 to 10.
[01:18:42] Speaker B: He was really bad.
[01:18:43] Speaker A: So Shador is not the worst. We, we had the worst guy.
And Dylan Gabriel's worse than Shador.
[01:18:49] Speaker B: So who brought, who brought that guy in?
[01:18:50] Speaker E: That's Sten's guy, right?
[01:18:52] Speaker B: Well, who drafted him?
[01:18:53] Speaker E: Andrew Barry's.
[01:18:54] Speaker A: Andrew Barry? Yeah. Don't go there though.
[01:18:56] Speaker B: That broken clock.
[01:18:57] Speaker E: Yeah, nobody sleep on dtr.
[01:18:59] Speaker B: Broken clock is right twice a day.
[01:19:01] Speaker A: You know, the fan base loved him after the preseason and didn't like him so much after the regular season.
[01:19:05] Speaker B: He had a good preseason.
[01:19:06] Speaker A: That's why. That's what I'm saying. He had a great preseason. But when you're playing backups and scrubs, it's, you know. But I digress.
That'll do it for the Browns brief. Let's go ahead and take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, so first up, last week we talked about it being Black Monday. On last week's show, we talked about Kevin Stefanski, Pete Carroll and Jonathan Gannon being fired. We can now add to that list, and we've already Talked about it a little bit. Mike McDaniel, John Harbaugh, and Mike Tomlin.
Mike Tomlin technically stepped down, parted ways, I believe it was basically.
I don't know, though. It's a weird situation. I. I think they probably told him, you leave or we fire you. But then that doesn't really jive with. With them retaining his rights. Right.
[01:19:53] Speaker B: It feels like both of these guys were ousted due to fan pack pressure.
[01:19:57] Speaker C: Right.
[01:19:57] Speaker B: Because the calls for both of those guys jobs got louder and louder as these seasons wore on.
And it just, I think, reached an untenable point that they were like, all right, we got to go in a different direction.
[01:20:09] Speaker A: Yep. So you mentioned it earlier, but who would have thought that at the end of the season, the only AFC north coach left standing is Zach Taylor?
[01:20:15] Speaker B: Bananas.
[01:20:16] Speaker A: And to make things even more interesting, the Ravens have requested to interview Jim Schwartz for their head coaching vacancy. So, you know, we'll see what happens there.
[01:20:25] Speaker B: I'm rooting for Jim Schwartz. Like I said, like, I don't necessarily need to have him here, but I do think that's a guy that's proven himself to be a good NFL coach, and I would love to see him get another shot leading the team.
[01:20:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that would probably fix their defensive problems there in Baltimore.
[01:20:40] Speaker B: Yeah, and maybe Miles Garrett would go there.
[01:20:43] Speaker D: No, don't.
[01:20:45] Speaker A: You shut your filthy mouth and piece of.
I'm. I'm flustered.
Next up here. CJ Stroud is now officially the best quarterback in Texas in the NFL. He has three playoff wins. Dak Prescott dose only two in his career. So suck on that, Dak.
[01:21:03] Speaker B: It's just funny because, like, dude's name is Dak there.
There were a lot of people that were. Have been questioning CJ Stroud for the last.
[01:21:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, part of a year. He had a rough start to this.
[01:21:13] Speaker B: Year, and now he's the winningest playoff quarterback in the whole state. So if you ask people on the street who's a better quarterback, Dak Prescott, probably.
I mean, statistically, probably that is true as well. But, like, people would just say, oh, yeah, Dak. And part of that's just the Cowboys, you know, reputation that precedes them. But if you like the Cowboys, you're a bitch. I agree.
CJ Stroud is not a bitch.
[01:21:38] Speaker A: Yeah, you probably like to see girls getting beat up by dudes.
Next up, Jared Allen.
[01:21:44] Speaker B: Forgot about it.
[01:21:49] Speaker A: And speaking of, because I just said that Cowboys fans are.
Jared Allen is bitching again. He says that he is the rightful owner of the sack record at 23 sacks. But his sack, his final sack was taken away by the NFL and credited as a team sack.
[01:22:04] Speaker B: So, yeah, there was like a, A muff quarterback, like dropped the ball.
[01:22:09] Speaker A: Watching, watching the video of it. I mean, I would, I would actually tend to agree with them. But at the same time, this is old news. Like, quit bitching.
[01:22:18] Speaker B: Well, yeah, like, why haven't you been making noise about this for the last like six years?
[01:22:22] Speaker A: Like every interview you've done for the last six years, I was the rightful.
[01:22:25] Speaker B: Owner of a record like that.
[01:22:26] Speaker A: Seen this, right?
[01:22:27] Speaker B: I would post that every day to my social media.
[01:22:29] Speaker A: Why does it take somebody chasing the sack record for you to come out and be like, no, I'm the sack.
[01:22:33] Speaker B: He probably has 2 million followers on social media. Like, I would post that every day and until it became a firestorm.
[01:22:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:22:38] Speaker B: But you wait until someone breaks the record and now you say, bones.
[01:22:41] Speaker A: You see the play.
[01:22:42] Speaker E: I seen it in the past and I remember thinking that was probably a sack. But this was. This was years ago because I think he has brought it up, but nobody listens.
[01:22:49] Speaker A: Well, it was, it was just to paint the picture. I'm pretty sure it was the snap came back to the quarterback, it was dropped, but then it was picked up right away. And he still like sat in the pocket for a second trying to find somebody.
[01:22:59] Speaker B: Well, he was kind of. He was. He was kind of rolling out to his, I believe his left.
[01:23:03] Speaker A: But he picked it up right away and it was still like, it wasn't a broken play or anything. Like the play was still good going on at that point. So not that I'm defending Jared Allen. Like, shut your mouth. It's been six years.
[01:23:11] Speaker B: Well, my whole thing is.
[01:23:13] Speaker A: Or longer.
[01:23:13] Speaker B: What does the NFL record book say? Is your name there? Jared Allen?
[01:23:17] Speaker A: Doesn't say Jared. Shut up.
[01:23:18] Speaker B: So then shut up.
[01:23:19] Speaker E: Shut it.
[01:23:20] Speaker A: Next up. This past week at the Ole Miss game, Jackson Dart was on the sideline. Mentioned him a couple times. The show so far, it's significant only because the cameras caught him talking about the. About New York's coaching search. An Ole Miss assistant asked him, you could read the lips and see what was said. He said, who's going to be the next coach? Coach? To which Jackson Dart responded, I don't know. Hardballers. Stefanski. But I don't know.
[01:23:44] Speaker B: It's funny to me, the legs this story grew because first off, who in on the planet right now thinks the Giants are consulting Jackson Dart on who the next coach should be?
[01:23:55] Speaker A: It's a big story right now. Is that he's in the room with John Harval while he's interviewing for the job.
[01:24:00] Speaker B: Are they taking his input, though, or are they letting the coach interview. Interview him?
[01:24:05] Speaker A: I'm just saying. I mean, I agree with you. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
[01:24:09] Speaker B: I mean, that's like bringing.
[01:24:11] Speaker A: He's. He was a rookie quarterback this year. Why would you give a. What he says about the next coach?
[01:24:16] Speaker B: It's like bringing your kid to Ken Stewart's for dinner and you're like, what do you want? And they're like chicken fingers. And you're like, no, like, you're gonna eat what I tell you to eat. Like, that's Jackson Dart in this situation. So I just. And, and, and he didn't tell us anything.
[01:24:29] Speaker A: No, he literally said, I don't know.
[01:24:31] Speaker B: Well, well, the, the two names that he's dropped dropped are already. We already know they're talking to those guys. Right? Like, okay, you learn nothing. The two top candidates for jobs right now. More mouthed by a quarterback at an event.
Great.
[01:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:24:47] Speaker B: What did we learn?
[01:24:49] Speaker A: My, my big thing with it is he literally, he bookends it with, I don't know, on either side. I don't know, probably these guys, but I don't know. Yeah, like, he literally regurgitated stories that are already out there. Like you said.
[01:25:01] Speaker B: I mean, you could, you could just put a camera on me and I could mouth the same thing. Who are the Giants going to hire?
[01:25:06] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:25:07] Speaker B: Harbaugh, Stefanski probably. Like, would that be news?
[01:25:11] Speaker A: That's what I would have said, too. So.
And then finally here, Dante Moore has decided to go back to Oregon for one more year.
I put this in here because he's been tied to the Browns, but also because he, he apparently doesn't want to be drafted by the Jets. Well, news flash for you, buddy. The jets are going to suck ass again next year and you're probably going to get drafted by him anyways. So.
[01:25:29] Speaker B: Yeah, this did absolutely nothing for me. I mean, I think the knock on him is that he hasn't played a lot in college. He's only had 20 starts or whatever, so. I get that. But like, he was talked about being a top five pick, so, you know, I don't, I don't wish ill on anyone, but, you know, there's a reason why a lot of these guys just take the money in the contract when it's available.
[01:25:49] Speaker A: I don't think it's the Jets. I think he was like, I'm making money through nil. Deals in the college and. And Mendoza is going to be the number one pick. So I'm going to try and be the number one pick next year. But you have a much better class to compete with next year.
[01:26:02] Speaker B: And you can make money in college now, but it's still a fraction of what you can make as a good starter in the NFL.
[01:26:08] Speaker A: Fair, Fair. But that'll do it for our. You got something, Mom? No, you look like you did. He's got nothing to add.
That'll do it for our trip around the NFL. Let's go ahead and get into the divisional round preview.
All right. The NFL playoffs continue this week. Obviously, not very many games to go because people have been eliminated. They were all played last week in the NFC. We'll start with San Francisco 49ers at the Seattle Seahawks.
Kenny, who you like in this one?
[01:26:47] Speaker B: Look, I know Sam Darnold has been lights out this year, but I still. He's still Sam Darnold.
Like, I can't get on board with him being like, is that worse than being Mr.
[01:26:59] Speaker A: Irrelevant?
[01:27:01] Speaker B: No, but Brock Purdy has been pretty. Not irrelevant since he showed us a.
[01:27:05] Speaker A: Lot of good dance.
[01:27:06] Speaker B: So I got to go 49ers on this. I just think I trust them more in the scenario than Seattle Fair.
[01:27:16] Speaker A: But who you got?
[01:27:17] Speaker E: I think I'm also going 49ers.
Yeah. I think there's been playing well. Seattle's. They're good. But San Francisco win.
[01:27:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And I don't know if this is a product. I don't know if this is a product of.
We literally get, like, no Seattle Seahawks news here. But, you know, being in Northeast Ohio, like, at least the 49ers, because of who they are, the team that they are, they were in primetime a lot this year, I feel like.
So I. I've been able to watch them.
I'm going in with the 49ers as well. I just.
This. This could be a bad take, but I'm just unimpressed with. With the Seahawks in general. I know they're 13 and three or whatever. They're 14 and three or whatever. They finished the season, but I'm just unimpressed.
[01:27:59] Speaker B: I'm impressed with Jackson, Smith and Jigba Fair.
[01:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah, very good.
[01:28:04] Speaker B: But it's still Sam Darnold at the end of the day. Like, I just.
[01:28:07] Speaker A: I think that's kind of where it comes from.
[01:28:09] Speaker B: You're probably Sam Darnold going to win this Super Bowl. Like, I don't. I can't. I. I can't reconcile that in My mind.
[01:28:15] Speaker A: I mean, some of the other names that are still out there, you're like.
[01:28:19] Speaker B: But like, I. I mean, Brock Purdy was in a Super bowl, right?
[01:28:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:28:23] Speaker B: So, I mean, that's. I. I can see that happening before I see Sam Darnold there.
[01:28:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Doesn't matter. We've all got the 49ers next up here.
[01:28:30] Speaker B: I will say Seattle has the better throwback uniforms.
[01:28:34] Speaker A: Fair. Yeah, they do.
[01:28:35] Speaker B: If they were those, they got a shot.
[01:28:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
Next up, the Los Angeles Rams at the Chicago Bears. Bone, who you got in this one?
[01:28:42] Speaker E: I'm sticking with the Rams. They're my super bowl team for the nfc. So I did read it's going to be, like, negative 10 in Chicago, so that might be rough, but Rams got Kyron Williams and he's a freaking stud. So for.
[01:28:56] Speaker A: For the negative five alone, I am going Bears in this one because they just are used to it.
We talk all the time about how. Whether or not the. The weather actually affects play, whatever. You know, all that stuff for Cleveland, it doesn't. We. We're bad. We're really bad. We're always bad. We're bad for a team like the Bears, who are playing really well this year and are used to it and a team coming. They're playing a team that's coming from Chicago. I'd give them the edge there. I'm going Bears in this one, which is. I can't believe I'm saying that, because just last year I spoke all season about how Caleb Williams was a bust, and here we are.
I'll give it to him. Great year this year.
[01:29:33] Speaker B: Still in the third or 4,000 yards?
[01:29:34] Speaker A: No, still in third. 4,000. But. But I mean, he did bounce, bounce back from his rookie year. So I'm going with the Bears.
[01:29:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. We have the conversation about dome and outdoor stadiums and whether or not the weather really impacts guys, especially in today's NFL, where, like, half the guys on that roster probably grew up in the Midwest and the Northeast and, like, have been in snowy towns their entire life. Like, it's not as huge of a factor.
[01:29:59] Speaker A: I mean, based on the odds of where you came from in the NFL, you either came from Ohio or two. Those are the two.
[01:30:05] Speaker B: Yeah, true.
[01:30:07] Speaker C: So.
[01:30:08] Speaker B: But that being said, though, I do think there is something to the way teams are constructed. And this Rams team is a team that. I mean, Matt Stafford pretty much led the NFL in passing this year. He had, like, 44 touchdowns or whatever and, like, six picks or whatever. He had that crazy year, especially given.
[01:30:24] Speaker A: He'S on the older side.
[01:30:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean he's pushing 40 now so it just feels like their game is more finesse. Whereas Chicago made big investment in the off season to bolster that offensive line. They've got two really good young running backs. Caleb Williams is playing really well all year long. It's going to be bone chilling cold. Like to me that's a team that's built to be able to run the ball in the cold and win games versus I think the Rams game is a little bit more finesse and relies on the fact that look they playing a dome half the season. So.
And so I'll go Chicago this week. I also agree with you. Like I can't believe that I am picking Chicago to go to the NFC championship game after I felt the same way about Caleb Williams last year. But also gives me hope that maybe the Browns can turn things around with a young quarterback that was, you know, underperforming and misunderstood and got with the right team.
[01:31:14] Speaker A: I want to add to this whole bust or not busts conversation though with Caleb Williams. It's still not a finished story. Like he had a really good, he had a, he had a good bounce back year. But there is, I mean there's a reason why they call it the sophomore slump in the NFL. Like it's yet to be seen with whether he can sustain that.
[01:31:30] Speaker B: So yeah, but they've had a lot of tight games down to the wire games where he's led like agreed to me that counts for more than being on like a good team as a young player that just wins because they're a good team. Like he has made some ridiculous throws.
[01:31:44] Speaker A: In some of these 100%. I agree with the fact that he, he's had a great year and I'm, I am thoroughly impressed with what he did this year with the Chicago Bears.
A lot of that I think comes from they did get it right with their coach. But yeah, I mean I'm just, my whole thing is just yet to be seen. It's still, still writing itself. So.
[01:32:07] Speaker B: We've talked way too much about the Bears.
[01:32:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't like the Bears. Next up, the afc. We got the Buffalo Bills at the Denver Broncos. I'll start this one. I've got the Bills because Bo Nix is not winning playoff games. I just don't, I can't see it.
And I think this might be the year that Josh Allen finally gets over the, the hump. So I'm going with the Buffalo Bills. Kenny, who you got?
[01:32:28] Speaker B: I'm gonna go Denver and I Think this may be an exodus for the Buffalo Bills.
[01:32:34] Speaker A: You think this is where they blow it up?
[01:32:35] Speaker B: They may fire their head coach after this whole thing. Knowing that they've had the talent they've had in Josh Allen for the last couple of years and they just haven't been able to get there.
Feels like very, very reminiscent of Harbaugh and Tomlin.
That's fair thinking. Hey, we're gonna have to change things up to get to the next level because we're just not getting it done here.
Also, just a big believer in Sean Payton.
The fact that Bo Nix is become a good quarterback in the NFL, that's just a good coaching job.
[01:33:04] Speaker A: And he called it on Russ Wilson. That dude is washed.
Bone, who you got?
[01:33:09] Speaker E: I was leaning more towards Denver as well because of Sean Payton and just kind of what they've done this year, just home game for them.
I guess they've had a pretty extended break here, so I don't know. I don't know their injury status, but they've had some rest.
[01:33:23] Speaker A: Yeah, not that Bo Nix has played terrible, but I'm just with Bo Nix. I'm where I was with Caleb Williams last year with Bo Nix. Like, is Bo Nicks really that good? I don't know.
[01:33:33] Speaker B: He was probably the best Oregon quarterback to come out of the last few. I mean, Bo Nicks, Justin Herbert, Dante Moore and Dylan Gabriel, he threw for more yards than any of those guys. College.
[01:33:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. I still am not a believer in Bo Nicks. So next up, we got Houston Texans at New England Patriots.
I'm going to go with New England on this one simply because I. I'm pretty sure I picked them as my super bowl team, if I'm not mistaken, last week.
However, I would love to see Houston win this game. Yes, I. I like Houston a lot. I like CJ Stroud.
They've got Nick Chubb.
Like, I would love to see Houston win this game, but I'm going to England simply because I picked them to win the Super Bowl.
Did I pick them to win the Super Bowl? I don't remember. You guys remember?
[01:34:19] Speaker E: I don't think we went all the way to. I think we went, who's going to the Super Bowl? I don't think we said who's going to win, did we?
[01:34:24] Speaker A: I don't remember. This is how much we pay attention to our own show.
Bone, who you got?
[01:34:30] Speaker E: I'm also going New England because they're my other super bowl team.
I think it's me, the Rams and the Patriots So I would love the Texans to win. Yeah, just get Nick Chubb another playoff win season. AJ Stroud, you know, High State guy, we like him. So.
And I hate the Patriots.
[01:34:48] Speaker A: So you had Rams and Patriots. I think I had San Francisco and Patriots.
[01:34:51] Speaker E: Okay.
[01:34:52] Speaker A: For the Super Bowl. Do you remember who you had?
[01:34:55] Speaker B: I don't think we picked super bowl teams.
[01:34:57] Speaker A: We did. We picked who was going to win.
[01:34:58] Speaker B: I think we just picked who we wanted to win.
[01:35:02] Speaker A: You're right.
[01:35:03] Speaker E: I wouldn't have picked them as my want, though, those teams.
Maybe it was, unless I misunderstood.
[01:35:08] Speaker A: Maybe it was who we thought was going to win.
[01:35:10] Speaker E: Maybe.
[01:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Who. I don't care. Who do you. Who are you picking for this game?
[01:35:13] Speaker B: I don't know. I just know I picked Jacksonville, but it wasn't because I thought they were going to win. I just wanted them to win. So that's at least what the criteria I used. So.
[01:35:22] Speaker A: But a lot of thought goes into these playoff.
[01:35:27] Speaker B: I'm going to go Houston here. And for the same reason I picked Jacksonville. Jacksonville is now out. Houston, I think, becomes the next best story out of this crop of teams outside of maybe Seattle if they do go to the Super Bowl. But just the fact that Nick Chubb is there, would love to see that dude get a ring after all he's been through.
So really rooting for them. Plus, Stroud is there and had kind of a comeback year, so good for.
[01:35:49] Speaker A: Them come back second half of the year because he only had a bad, like, first part of the year.
[01:35:54] Speaker B: But whatever people have been saying he hasn't lead, shouldn't be the quarterback, whatever. But also it's interesting story too, because I think if they make the super bowl, they win the Super Bowl. It has to be the only story of a play player that sued his franchise and then became their coach and then won a Super Bowl. So because d', Ameco, Ryan's sued the Texans and the NFL over his Achilles injury back in, I don't know, 2014 or something that was caused, according to him, by poor field conditions and ended up settling.
But it's just interesting that story that, like you go from the bad blood and the tension of, hey, you, me money because you derailed my career to hey, why don't you become our head coach? And then he also now becomes the most successful coach in the franchise's history.
[01:36:47] Speaker A: It's just a cool story that's pretty wild. I think what we did last week, by the way, was we picked who we thought was going to win each division and then we said who's your, who do you, who are you rooting for? What's your rooting interest in the whole thing? And I think that was Jackson.
[01:36:59] Speaker B: The only way that we're going to know is to go back and listen to the show we're not going to do right now.
[01:37:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
With that. Let's go. Go ahead. We, we have a. Can we talk about this this week?
[01:37:10] Speaker B: Oh, we do.
[01:37:18] Speaker A: All right. So we use this segment when one of us has something they feel needs to be talked about or explored further. Kenny, what do you got for us this week?
[01:37:25] Speaker B: So recently it's my wife's birthday. It's her birthday today. Happy birthday to the wife.
[01:37:31] Speaker A: Happy birthday, Mrs.
[01:37:32] Speaker E: Happy Birthday.
[01:37:33] Speaker B: We took a sh. Short trip, took my son to the water park, into a water park over the weekend. And I just, you know, you spend a couple days in a water park, some things cross your mind.
So these are my.
[01:37:44] Speaker A: How many people have pissed in this pool?
[01:37:46] Speaker B: Not necessarily that, but it's probably quite a few. My son definitely did a lot.
[01:37:50] Speaker A: At least seven times.
[01:37:52] Speaker B: At least seven times a day.
But these were my water park observations.
[01:37:58] Speaker A: Okay, let's hear them.
[01:37:59] Speaker B: Number one, indoor water parks maybe are the best cross section of America that you'll find anywhere on the planet.
You've got the very wealthy people that sit up in the cabanas looking down upon everybody else.
[01:38:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Is that what you did?
[01:38:15] Speaker B: No, we're not quite there. But you have, you know, lower class.
[01:38:20] Speaker A: Middle class folks, you were the peasants.
[01:38:22] Speaker B: Hey, this is our only vacation all year. We're going to have to make this work. And you know, we're probably missing a bill because of this. And then you have kind of your middle class people that are there. And then you have just people from all over the world. You got, you know, white people, black people, Hispanic people, Asian people, like got them all. You got them all.
[01:38:36] Speaker A: It's the cream of the crop.
[01:38:37] Speaker B: I think, like if you were to, if you were to poll everybody on like, who they voted for in the last presidential election, I think if you did that inside of a water park, it would be split 50, 50, because I think it is just the best representation of all of us.
But what's really interesting is in an indoor water park everybody's kind of having fun. Fun and gets along. So even though you have all these different people, all these different backgrounds, different social strata, just everybody having a good time. So I thought it was just a cool kind of cross.
[01:39:01] Speaker A: Indoor water park, the microcosm of America.
[01:39:05] Speaker B: Who knew?
[01:39:06] Speaker A: Who knew?
[01:39:07] Speaker B: Number two, for one, of the days we were there, my mother showed up.
[01:39:13] Speaker A: Did you tell her to go home?
[01:39:16] Speaker B: No, but mother is, you know, not old age, but she's. She's old. Older than me. So, you know, sometimes old people, older people, they don't really understand things that are going on. Right.
[01:39:28] Speaker A: Did she get lost on the way to water park?
[01:39:30] Speaker B: No, but inside of the water park there's this big kind of fort.
And the fort is rigged with like booby traps. Right? There's hoses to squirt people on the ground, buckets to dump on their heads.
[01:39:43] Speaker A: What's the best part about a water park? Is getting other people.
[01:39:45] Speaker B: Getting other people wet.
[01:39:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:39:46] Speaker B: And so this is the first time my mother has ever been to this place and she's just kind of. It's like the first one of the first 10 minutes she's been in and she's kind of like, what's going on? What's all this stuff?
[01:39:56] Speaker A: Bam.
[01:39:57] Speaker B: And so basically we spend our time chasing around my toddler. And so when he goes places, you just kind of follow. Well, he went up the stairs into this fort and so she followed.
She gets to the top of the stairs and at the same time, my son was running up the stairs and another little kid was running up the stairs. So behind my mom is just some grown ass man chasing his toddler.
My mother gets to the top of the stairs and there's two big long ropes and she's like, what do these do?
So she's standing at the top of the stairs and there's a man behind her trying to get to his kid, but obviously blockaded by my mom who's just now stopped taking station at the top of the stairs, perfect place to.
[01:40:39] Speaker A: Stand and starts pulling these ropes.
[01:40:41] Speaker B: What are the these do? Behind her is a spigot of water just pouring on this guy's head behind her who is trapped and can go nowhere.
And she has no idea she's doing it. She's like, gets my son to start pulling the syrup. So they're both now just drenching this poor guy who is stuck trying to chase his kid.
[01:41:03] Speaker A: And she has no idea.
[01:41:04] Speaker B: And we're all just on the ground watching her light up this. This poor dude.
[01:41:08] Speaker A: You guys pissing yourselves, laughing just like.
[01:41:10] Speaker B: What is she doing? She has no idea he's even behind her. So sorry to, sorry to that guy that got soaked trying to get his kid somewhere.
[01:41:17] Speaker A: This guy's going to eventually see us. But I remember this day. It was the worst.
[01:41:21] Speaker B: She's just absolutely trash.
[01:41:22] Speaker A: I never did find my kid, trapped.
[01:41:24] Speaker B: Him and poured water on his head.
So that was awesome.
Number three, water perk. Abs are very.
[01:41:35] Speaker A: You got a lot more of these?
[01:41:36] Speaker B: Just two more.
[01:41:36] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:41:39] Speaker B: Number three, emo chicks.
The non conformists among us, you know, eschewing traditional beauty standards, you know, with the holes all over their face, the neck, tats, tats, head to toe. This goes for the dudes too, right? Like it just, it's funny now to kind of watch all these people now become parents of toddlers when like your whole thing has been like rebel without a cause. Like that's clearly how you've been living your life.
[01:42:07] Speaker A: I want you to follow my rules.
[01:42:08] Speaker B: Clearly how you've been living your life. But like if you have death sentence tattooed across your chest or mischief, chaos and disorder. But like you've traded that in to be a good parent by you know, coloring with the mascots of the water park and like catching your kids on the slide, like whatever you thought you were rebelling against, like you, you aren't anymore.
[01:42:29] Speaker A: I, I have a feeling you saw some of this, you failed.
[01:42:31] Speaker D: That's.
[01:42:32] Speaker B: Well, I saw a good, a good amount of. Because they have a certain look, right? It's the tats head to toe. Usually like a fair skinned girl or fair skinned guy that's just like just totally covered in tats and you're just like.
I don't know if you just hated your parents or if you like, you worked at a place called the Crazy Horse for a long time. Like those are the, those are the kinds of places you ended up.
[01:42:50] Speaker A: That's your kind of place.
[01:42:52] Speaker B: But it's just, it was just funny to me because like when you do that, you're trying to do it to like stand out from the crowd. But I feel like out of all the parents I saw, probably 10 to 15% of them now are they're this, oh, their own clique of like rebellious non conformists. But you just all look the same and you've now become your own like conformist group of people that are like, ah, fight the power.
[01:43:14] Speaker A: Do they sit? Do they nod to each other at the water park?
[01:43:16] Speaker B: Like, like bikers?
[01:43:18] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:43:19] Speaker B: You also worked at the Crazy Horse.
[01:43:21] Speaker A: You also were, were raging against the machine. Yet here we are.
[01:43:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I just like at the end of the day it's fine. People can do whatever they want with their bodies. I just, I just find the whole thing to be phony. Like I hope that's a, I hope that's a subculture that like as our kids grow up Just kind of goes away. Like, it's just, there's. There's no reason to, like, I just want to do things to be different.
[01:43:41] Speaker A: Like, kids will never stop rebelling.
[01:43:43] Speaker B: But at the end of the day, like, I don't know, none of us went that route. So like, and it wasn't like we just sat around, did whatever mom and dad told us. Like, we got into a fair amount of trouble and did stupid things.
[01:43:53] Speaker A: As kids, I got into a lot.
[01:43:54] Speaker B: Of trouble, but I never got death sentence tattooed on my forehead like I should have, you know, But I just find the whole thing a bit phony, so I don't know, whatever.
But then the final thing, and this is maybe my favorite water park observation.
We're in the Lazy river on the last day.
[01:44:11] Speaker A: Love the Lazy River.
[01:44:13] Speaker B: Lazy River. Well, first off, before I even get to the story, Lazy river is when you want as a parent, right? Because you spend your whole day chasing around kids in water park where you're just, just getting damp and wet and sprayed with water. The Lazy river is where you have won because you get to just chill out and the water moves you. You're wet and warm, everything is good. And the kids kind of miserable because they're like, this isn't that fun. But like, as a parent, you've won when you get them to the lazy river. But the most important thing about this lazy river ride, I'm just thinking about lazy rivers.
Kid pops up behind my wife. Nice goggles on.
[01:44:45] Speaker A: Love that.
[01:44:46] Speaker B: Probably 10, 11 years old.
[01:44:48] Speaker A: Old was just under the water, looking at her ass under the. Under the inner tube.
[01:44:51] Speaker B: Buddy pops up next to him and he just looks at him just mischievously and he goes, dude, I'm looking at butts.
[01:45:00] Speaker A: I knew it. I knew that was coming because I was that kid and I was just.
[01:45:04] Speaker B: Like, yeah, buddy, we all are. Like, welcome to the party. You ain't growing out of that one.
[01:45:09] Speaker A: You'll be doing that for the rest of your life.
[01:45:11] Speaker B: Whole life, man.
[01:45:12] Speaker A: Just chasing anybody that says. Anybody that says they're not looking at butts.
[01:45:16] Speaker D: You're.
[01:45:16] Speaker A: You're a liar.
That goes for you too, bro.
[01:45:20] Speaker B: You're looking at butts.
[01:45:21] Speaker E: I've never said I wasn't.
[01:45:22] Speaker A: I'm just saying you're a very wholesome man.
You're looking at butts. You love butts.
[01:45:27] Speaker B: Probably not with goggles on in the ley river, but you are.
[01:45:30] Speaker E: Yeah, at my age that would be. Would be.
[01:45:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:45:35] Speaker A: But you're still looking at him.
[01:45:36] Speaker B: It was just such a funny thing, cuz I Can remember also being like this that like doing stupid things when I was 10 years old and like saying those things out loud probably to my friends.
[01:45:43] Speaker E: Like that's hilarious that you caught that.
[01:45:45] Speaker A: The number of things that I probably said out loud that people heard me and I didn't think that anybody heard me is, is probably insane.
[01:45:53] Speaker B: Dude, I'm looking at butts.
[01:45:55] Speaker A: That sounds like a direct quote from Ronnie Jams when he was like 12.
[01:45:58] Speaker B: The unfortunate thing is at a water park like that most of everyone there looks like me. Like most of the parents, 95% of the parents have kind of like let themselves go.
[01:46:06] Speaker A: Nobody looks like you're fucking a disaster.
[01:46:08] Speaker B: Remember cross section of America, there's like 5% of the people there that are like fitness influencers and in really good shape. So there's 5% nice butts and then 95 butts that look like mine. So rough day for that kid.
[01:46:19] Speaker A: But again I say it's almost impossible. You're the most hideous thing in America. So the fact that anybody looks like you, I doubt it. But how does it feel that those 10 year olds were just under the water looking at your wife's butt?
[01:46:31] Speaker B: I guess. Flattered. I don't know. Happy birthday. You're in your 30s and you still have a butt little kids want to look at.
[01:46:37] Speaker A: Good job. Good job, Mrs. Thunder.
[01:46:41] Speaker B: So that's all I had for. Can we talk about this? I just thought that was. It was.
[01:46:44] Speaker A: You just needed to talk about it.
[01:46:45] Speaker B: Those were the thoughts that I had this this weekend as I was looking around the water park.
[01:46:49] Speaker A: I enjoyed that.
[01:46:50] Speaker E: Yeah, I like that as well.
[01:46:51] Speaker A: Yeah. With that, let's go ahead and and get into King of the North.
All right, so obviously King of the north is over. I just wanted to do this segment to remind everybody that Kenny lost. He's a clown. I won. I'm the king.
That's it.
[01:47:15] Speaker B: If you lose any more hair, your forehead will have its own gravitational pool.
[01:47:19] Speaker A: You see this? You've never had one. In fact, you've been punished every time. Second.
[01:47:23] Speaker B: Thank you.
[01:47:23] Speaker A: And with that, let me remind everybody to call the Burning Sportscast.
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[01:47:46] Speaker B: The has right in the Ds.
Sometimes after all these years, Bones still can surprise us.
[01:47:54] Speaker A: I think. I think we're actually rubbing off on him. He's like, he's like, I'm going to become an idiot. Like these two.
[01:47:59] Speaker B: We rub off on a lot of people.
[01:48:01] Speaker A: We rub off a lot of people.
[01:48:04] Speaker B: Be sure to check what does a perverted frog say?
[01:48:07] Speaker A: What?
[01:48:07] Speaker B: Rub it. Rub it.
[01:48:10] Speaker E: I got to tell people that tomorrow.
[01:48:13] Speaker A: Be sure to check out here www.the media.com shop that'll do a voice county what can we expect next week?
[01:48:19] Speaker B: I can tell you we can't expect that's the for us to be live on Sunday night because we won't be. Live shows are over for the season, but we will be back.
[01:48:26] Speaker A: They are reserved for when the Browns play and the Browns no longer play.
[01:48:29] Speaker B: Or when something really exciting happens.
[01:48:31] Speaker A: Like more like our draft special. We'll do a draft special.
[01:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's not today and it won't be Sunday. But you can look forward to us coming back next week. On Thursday. We'll be back with our regular Browns news updates on the coaching search as things continue to develop and we get closer to free agency and the NFL draft and also show note that will be our 150th episode. So milestone that we care about and no one else does. But very cool. Maybe we'll bring somebody as big as.
[01:48:58] Speaker A: Like our hundredth episode.
[01:48:59] Speaker B: No, maybe we'll have a couple 200 will be big. But 150 is still a significant marker. Yeah, but so yeah, we'll bring some friends back, maybe some interviews. We'll see what happens. But that'll do it for this week.
Next week.
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[01:49:39] Speaker B: Kenny Facts for days.
[01:49:54] Speaker A: What do you got? What do you got?
[01:49:55] Speaker B: What do you got? I've got some facts for days.
Number one, if you add up the cumulative time spent playing just Fortnite, Minecraft, Clash of Clans, League of Legends, Candy Crush, Roblox, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty and the Kim Kardashian Hollywood game, you would have enough time saved up to go back and fight a dinosaur.
[01:50:19] Speaker A: Hell yes.
[01:50:20] Speaker B: 65 million years. I'm not sure what that means. That's not how time machines work. But wow.
[01:50:26] Speaker E: It's a lot of time.
[01:50:26] Speaker A: It's a lot of time that we waste spend it playing these dumb games.
[01:50:30] Speaker B: Well when you think like video games haven't a been been around that long.
[01:50:32] Speaker A: No.
[01:50:32] Speaker B: Like maybe like all our life but that's in the history of time. It's not a long time but we've accumulated tens of millions of years of game time just between those like eight games.
[01:50:40] Speaker A: That's pretty wild.
[01:50:41] Speaker B: Really are rotting. Yeah.
[01:50:43] Speaker A: I will tell you I see the amount of time that people watch and listen to our clips and it's pretty mind boggling the amount of time people.
[01:50:51] Speaker B: Waste their lives listening to us talk about nothing.
[01:50:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty incredible. Like in some of our our hottest clips are like some of the ones where we literally talk about nothing.
[01:51:01] Speaker B: My favorite ones I'm like water park observations.
[01:51:03] Speaker A: I just don't understand it. But here we are.
[01:51:06] Speaker B: Here we are. Number two.
[01:51:08] Speaker A: Number two.
[01:51:09] Speaker B: The world's most expensive pencil.
The limited edition Graf von Faber Castell perfect pencil.
[01:51:18] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[01:51:18] Speaker B: Is crafted from 240 year old olive wood with an 18 karat white gold cap featuring a built in sharpener, eraser, eraser and three diamonds totaling 0.05 carats. Retails Mona Lisa of Mona Lisa of pencils. Retails for the very affordable low low price of just $12,800.
Only 99 were ever produced for the company's 240th anniversary in 2001.
[01:51:48] Speaker A: I'm going to be honest with you, I actually think that's low.
[01:51:53] Speaker B: Who do you know is paying $10,000 for that?
[01:51:55] Speaker A: I just know like people collect like pens and shit and we'll pay a bunch of money for pens ends like I don't know like it to me there's only 99 of them produced and it was from like 7 million year old olive wood. Like I, I think that's low that people collect stupid three diamonds. Yeah, people collect stupid and they pay a lot of money for it. So it to me that sounds low.
[01:52:14] Speaker B: But I guess you guys aren't impressed. I thought it was that's stupid dumb.
[01:52:19] Speaker E: Fact Built in sharpener.
[01:52:22] Speaker A: That's. That's phenomenal.
[01:52:23] Speaker E: Yes.
[01:52:23] Speaker A: I don't even know what that that means, but I want it.
[01:52:26] Speaker B: It's in the cap.
[01:52:28] Speaker A: There's a cap for a pencil?
[01:52:29] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a 240-year-old olive wood pencil. Of course it has a cap.
[01:52:33] Speaker E: You got to protect the tip, Ronnie.
[01:52:35] Speaker A: Yeah. This should have been at least $25,000.
[01:52:38] Speaker B: All right. We know Ronnie Jams likes to buy expensive wood.
[01:52:43] Speaker A: Who doesn't?
[01:52:44] Speaker B: Number three, herbivores.
[01:52:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:52:49] Speaker B: For the most part, heard of them don't exist.
Nearly all animals, including those that are primary herbivores are simply opportunistic carnivores or omnivores. They've just evolved to have a plant based diet be sufficient for their nutrition.
Mainly because most of these species lack the necessary accoutrement predatory skills and athleticism to fell more, more agile prey.
This behavior, known as zufagy, is often the result of nutrient deficiency, food scarcity and even just accidental consumption.
This is especially common in deer, cows, giraffes, and even hippos who have been known to eat lots of other live animals and even carrion carcasses.
[01:53:38] Speaker A: I can imagine a hippo accidentally catching.
[01:53:40] Speaker B: Something just like a bird that lands in its mouth and just like, yep.
[01:53:45] Speaker A: Something got in there. I guess I'll swallow that.
[01:53:48] Speaker B: But I just found it interesting because you kind of learned that growing up, like there's herbivores and carnivores and there's us that kind of eats both. But really most of those animals that evolved to eat plant based diets only did so because they just weren't capable of killing other things because they didn't really have the tools necessary to do it. But if a bird lands in their mouth, they will eat it.
[01:54:06] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you're not going to turn down free food.
[01:54:08] Speaker B: No.
[01:54:09] Speaker A: Humans are the same way. Well, maybe not.
[01:54:12] Speaker B: Humans are probably a little different.
[01:54:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:54:15] Speaker B: We have supermarkets.
[01:54:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:54:19] Speaker B: You're a deer thought, you can't go there.
[01:54:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:54:21] Speaker E: What I said we have conscious thought.
[01:54:23] Speaker B: That helps.
[01:54:25] Speaker A: Maybe not you.
[01:54:27] Speaker B: We, we can fill the, we can fill the biggest predators. Hell, we do it for sport. We're like, you see that elephant over there? We're going to take that thing down.
[01:54:33] Speaker A: That was a knight's tale reference through a bear.
[01:54:36] Speaker B: Thank you.
[01:54:38] Speaker A: Ah man, that was actually a pretty good one. Cuz that's, you know, they do teach us that that's a thing, but apparently it's not a thing.
[01:54:45] Speaker B: Yeah, no. There's actually a lot of disturbing videos on the Internet of like, like cute cuddly animals that just like all of a sudden swoop in and like just devour an animal. And you're like, holy crap. I thought that anything ate grass. Like, well, what do you mean? It just eats other animals.
[01:54:59] Speaker A: Tonight when I go home, I'm searching. Herbivores eating animals.
[01:55:02] Speaker B: It's kind of disturbing because you're not used to it.
[01:55:04] Speaker A: I'm excited about this.
[01:55:05] Speaker B: You're actually seeing like a lamb, like just devour a squirrel.
[01:55:08] Speaker A: Especially because, like when I get the nature videos on my feed, I'm just. And it's like an animal eating another animal. I'm like, holy.
Like no matter what it is. Yeah.
[01:55:17] Speaker B: And this is something that's not supposed to eat animals.
[01:55:19] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm pretty excited to see what happens here.
[01:55:21] Speaker B: That, my friends, is facts for days. Nice.
[01:55:23] Speaker C: They were.
[01:55:24] Speaker A: They weren't your best. They were. They were average power ranging. My facts, I've had better.
[01:55:30] Speaker E: Very facty.
[01:55:31] Speaker B: I've had.
[01:55:31] Speaker A: They were. Were very facty. I'll give you that.
[01:55:33] Speaker C: There you go.
[01:55:34] Speaker B: That's what I'm here for.
[01:55:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:55:36] Speaker D: Phone.
[01:55:37] Speaker A: What do you think?
[01:55:38] Speaker E: I. I like the facts this week.
They're very interesting. I'm going to repeat them to others.
[01:55:44] Speaker B: That's my hope.
I need to start just laying out things that aren't true so that you go tell people. Did you guys.
[01:55:52] Speaker A: You guys hear this?
No. Let's Google it. That's not true.
[01:55:56] Speaker B: That's not a thing.
[01:55:57] Speaker A: It's not.
Nothing you said was true.
[01:56:00] Speaker E: Well, it's early. I'm not all that tired. But I will be going to bed here soon, so bon appetit.
[01:56:06] Speaker B: Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[01:56:10] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
[01:56:18] Speaker E: Light it on fire.
[01:56:19] Speaker B: I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend.
We could cut ties with all the lies we've been living in.
And if you do not want to see me again, I would understand.
[01:56:37] Speaker A: I would understand.
Good night, Cleveland.
[01:56:43] Speaker B: I would understand.
[01:56:45] Speaker A: Oh, we're going still.
[01:56:47] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:56:48] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland. Good night.
[01:56:49] Speaker E: Night, Akron.
[01:56:50] Speaker A: Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
[01:56:55] Speaker D: Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis.
[01:57:00] Speaker A: I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:57:04] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:57:08] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[01:57:10] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[01:57:13] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right Foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sportscat. Motorboat. You play the motorboat?
You motorboat?
[01:57:28] Speaker B: Son of a. You old seal. Are you. You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[01:57:31] Speaker A: What? What were you? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts? Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[01:57:36] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:57:37] Speaker A: My name is Uhtred. Son of Uhtred, by the way. I want my first force came back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[01:57:43] Speaker B: Women's Guide to. To Anal Sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[01:57:49] Speaker E: The weather outside is weather.
[01:57:52] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh, my God.
[01:57:56] Speaker B: My ass is full of everywhere.
[01:58:00] Speaker E: Yes.
[01:58:00] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[01:58:03] Speaker E: Yes.
[01:58:03] Speaker D: Oh, no.
[01:58:05] Speaker B: We suck again.
[01:58:06] Speaker E: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[01:58:09] Speaker B: And Jesus. And Jesus.
[01:58:11] Speaker E: That's right.
[01:58:12] Speaker A: Touchdown, number one.
[01:58:13] Speaker B: What do you mean funny?
[01:58:14] Speaker D: Funny how?
[01:58:14] Speaker B: How am I funny?
[01:58:15] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[01:58:18] Speaker B: Timber.
[01:58:20] Speaker A: Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like. Like. Like the meat pod.
Slow roasted.
[01:58:29] Speaker B: The leads are weak. Leads a week.
[01:58:33] Speaker D: Leads a week.
[01:58:34] Speaker B: You're weak. That we should send a team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water trapped 7 to 12 miles under the surface that, when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high. No browns, baby.
[01:58:45] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what.
[01:58:48] Speaker B: Erroneous.
[01:58:49] Speaker D: Erroneous on both counts.
[01:58:51] Speaker A: I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[01:58:56] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:58:56] Speaker A: But damn.
[01:58:57] Speaker B: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[01:59:02] Speaker A: You know why, mister?
[01:59:04] Speaker D: Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight. I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
[01:59:10] Speaker A: I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[01:59:18] Speaker E: It's Mother Nature.
[01:59:19] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[01:59:21] Speaker B: Where's Logo Girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love for this cheese girl. We need cheese girl now. Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson. Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[01:59:33] Speaker A: Probably me.
[01:59:34] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people?
[01:59:37] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[01:59:39] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[01:59:42] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad. What?
[01:59:46] Speaker B: Sa.
[01:59:47] Speaker E: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[01:59:53] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[01:59:54] Speaker A: That's cool, man.
[01:59:55] Speaker E: Whatever.
[01:59:55] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no.
[02:00:00] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
[02:00:02] Speaker B: Are you not entertained?
Is this not why you were here?
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