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[00:01:10] Speaker B: It's time Time for the Burning River Sportscast. The playoffs roll on without the Browns, but that hasn't kept Cleveland out of the headlines. Haslam and Barry have reportedly made more calls than any other org during this coaching search. Interest has been shown in over 40 candidates in which background check was done and calls were made. You can this one of two ways. One, the Browns are heavily interested in getting this right and completing the required due diligence as they should. Or this organization is so lost in the sauce they have no clue, don't have a plan or direction that they would like to head. They're literally just throwing everything against the wall until they are wowed by something, or rather someone. One of those feels like a plan, the other feels like exhaustive desperation. You can decide for yourself whether you think they're on the right track and we'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning river sportsc.
Adding size to their package with clay. Modeling clay to make their genitals bigger.
[00:02:18] Speaker C: We don't like that Hugh Jackson baby.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: Again. I I want to reiterate that I am Polish so I'm allowed to say these things.
[00:02:30] Speaker C: Like a bat wing or drag bigger wing.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Like a bat wing.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: Bat wing is yes.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: You're under batwing.
[00:02:36] Speaker C: It makes me squirm a little bit. I don't like it.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: You almost swung me. You are a master debater.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: But any chance that desean sees a resurgence under a new head coach and maybe all is well in Cleveland?
[00:02:49] Speaker D: I hope not.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: I almost had to spit out my coffee.
[00:02:52] Speaker E: That stuff was driving me crazy.
[00:02:55] Speaker A: I use the term reported loosely. We don't report things, we just repeat them.
[00:02:58] Speaker E: Once a Browns fan, always Browns fan.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: I don't know. It's just a sign of the times.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: I mean, what would you do with.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Your first 700 million?
[00:03:05] Speaker B: Buy the Marlins.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:03:08] Speaker B: So we.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: We literally solved nothing.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: We solved nothing.
We enjoy that podcast.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: We've added nothing to this conversation.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: Nothing of value.
If the Seattle Seahawks can Win a Super bowl of Sam Darnold. We have hope. We can do it with just about anybody that's decent. We did 150 shows and we're like, that's it.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: I'm exhausted. No, we did. We just. No, that's not what happened here.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: That means that you'll run into 0.03 people per square kilometer. They still use those things over there because they're not America.
[00:03:39] Speaker A: Putin has a suitcase. The dude's name is Putin. Let's be honest here. Like, why aren't there more jokes about him?
[00:03:45] Speaker B: We're going there now. Vladimir Putin has a suitcase for his poops eyes.
[00:03:49] Speaker A: Putin in his poop.
[00:03:57] Speaker B: Welcome in to the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tap In Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. My partner today is a real catch. Catch and release, that is. And his IQ is seldom reaching his rectal temper.
He's red hot. Rodney Jams. That took me a minute to think about. Screwed up that delivery.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: Good job.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: Idiot on the board today. He's like a piece of furniture. You don't do a whole lot, but you sure as hell know when he's not there. He's the big Bone man.
[00:04:23] Speaker A: Sit on him.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: What's the difference between a woman in church and a woman in the bathtub?
[00:04:34] Speaker C: One's clean and one's dirty.
[00:04:36] Speaker B: One has hope in her soul.
Do you get it?
[00:04:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Bone looks confused.
[00:04:47] Speaker A: Switch over. Yeah.
Hope in her soul.
Never mind.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: Back to red hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest dope they ever heard on a podcast? Number warning.
[00:04:58] Speaker A: Football spots, The S and the H.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: All the good pods. The official podcast of dozens of Cleveland Browns backers around the world, and the unofficial podcast of Cleveland brownsbackers everywhere.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: I'll tell you, Bone, it's one has hope in her soul and the other has soap in her hole.
All right, Kenny didn't want to say it on air.
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[00:05:34] Speaker B: Soaping or whole.
[00:05:35] Speaker A: No, no, no. I was talking about grow and get seen. But same.
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But guys, you had a joke. I have a joke. What's the difference between an enzyme and a hormone?
[00:06:16] Speaker B: I don't know. What's the difference?
[00:06:18] Speaker C: I don't know either.
[00:06:20] Speaker A: You can't hear an enzyme Fair. Now let's get things started with the Burning river news story of the week.
All right, this week's Burning river news story of the week. Penis gate.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: We went from nut maxing to penis gate.
[00:06:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:45] Speaker B: See how that works?
[00:06:46] Speaker A: And as you guys probably could already guess, I'm going to turn this one over to Kenny because only he can give you the penis gate story. Kenny, what do you got for us?
[00:06:54] Speaker B: All right, so this was first reported in a German tabloid leading up to the. What is this? Milano.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: Milano. Cortina.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: Cortina. Olympics here.
So there was accusations made. I don't know that there's any been. There hasn't been any specific athletes mentioned yet. But the ACC coming have been laid out.
[00:07:13] Speaker A: You get it.
[00:07:15] Speaker B: That in order to gain an advantage in the downhill. I don't know what they call this, the ski jump.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: It's a downhill ski jump, downhill long.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: Jump, ski jump thing.
[00:07:25] Speaker C: Right.
[00:07:25] Speaker B: Where they float through the air is that there's been a rash of cheating for years in this and that now athletes have found a new way to.
To get around the regulations for suit requirements, which is in the past, it appears the suits were fit and the measurements and things were taken with just an athlete in their underwear and that for years, men especially have been adding size to their package with clay. Modeling clay to make their genitals bigger in order to have more coverage area, more service area in the crotch of their fly suit, so to speak.
And now this.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: So they can fly more.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: Yeah, they fly more.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: More air.
[00:08:15] Speaker C: Like a bat wing.
[00:08:16] Speaker A: More drag.
[00:08:16] Speaker C: Bigger wing.
[00:08:17] Speaker B: Like a bat wing. Exactly. Bat wing is very. Yes, you're.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: You're under bat wing.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: You're under batwing. Yeah. So now, today's measurements are done with 3D imaging, 3D modeling of these athletes. So I think they still go in just wearing underwear, but it's done with the whole technological thing. So the accusation has been made that athletes are artificially increasing the size of their genitalia through non invas invasive and more invasive means of girth and lengthening, specifically the injection of silicone and hyaluronic acid, things that are often used as, like, lip fillers to temporarily increase the size of their manhood in order to have their suits fit for bigger genitalia. Increasing the surface area of the wingsuit.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: Obviously, because why wouldn't you do that?
[00:09:11] Speaker B: And the thought is that if it gains, you know, 1 or 2 centimeters in the overall length, that that surface additionally comes out to, like, multiple feet and meters, I guess, of fly time, which could separate, you know, world record holders from not.
There's been a rash of cheating instances in the last couple of years in qualifying rounds and things leading up to this where teams have been caught artificially just increasing the suit size or adding different threads and things. So this is apparently a big problem within this sport in particular, that people are trying to find ways to get around the.
Whatever the requirements are for the way that the suits are fit, but now just shooting hyaluronic acid into their genitals.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: Is being added to the list.
[00:09:58] Speaker A: Bone. This seems like your area of expertise.
[00:10:00] Speaker B: Trying to grow his penis.
[00:10:02] Speaker A: Well, he's the big bone man.
Can you tell us your thoughts on this whole. This whole subject?
[00:10:08] Speaker C: I.
I'm just amazed that people would go to these lengths to, like, win.
[00:10:13] Speaker A: I get what you did.
[00:10:14] Speaker C: To win a competition.
To win a competition. I know it's the Olympics, but, I mean, just a shot into your dick. Anyway, I look at it. I just don't want that to happen, so I. I'm not even scared of needles. Like, I'll watch.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: You don't have to do this. You're the big bone man.
[00:10:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I watch. I would watch a needle, like, go into my arm. Like, I'm not worried about that. But putting it.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: That's not where I thought you were going with that.
[00:10:35] Speaker C: Just seems, like, painful. I don't know. I.
It makes me squirm a little bit. I don't like it.
[00:10:41] Speaker B: The P shot is becoming more and more common, and depending on the quality of.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: I know you've looked into this.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Depending on the quality of doctor that does it. And, you know, like, if you fly to, like, Braz to have it done, it's probably not gonna Be great. You're probably just getting an infected wang.
Dang.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: But dang. An infected wang.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: The results are supposed to last anywhere from about six months to two years. But because it's filler, it can also be removed. This hyaluronic acid also is a water retention agent. So the thought is you get shot up with this stuff in your junk.
And then before you actually have to compete, because your suit has already been maximized for your increased package size, that if you diet hard, crash diet, lose all the water we or have the filler removed before you compete, you basically have some kind of built in advantage.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: Now here's my question.
Of all the ways that you could increase the size of your suit, why is this the one that they're going with? Because think about like, you can't grow your fingers. No, but like, think about UFC fighters and how they like the way that the body works. There's got to be something with like you, you spoke about water retention and things like that. There's got to be a way that you could gain more size basically from just bulking up on water for a few hours.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: Yeah, but you gotta think too that these guys, even the guys that just jump off a hill for a living are.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: And how far ahead of time are they getting measured? Because I feel like you could again, thinking about like fighters, you could bulk up and then trim down before.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: Well, I think those are done at like the beginning of like the season, like at the beginning of the year. So like you do it for your measurement and then you get it taken out or you lose the weight, the water weight, and then you compete all year with this advantage.
[00:12:19] Speaker A: Just seems odd that the penis is where they're focusing.
[00:12:21] Speaker B: But you got to think these people are in the top.001% of their profession. Right. Their bodies are machines. They don't put something, they don't put anything into it. They don't eat brownies, they don't enjoy life. All they do is jump off a hill for a living. And so the ability to manipulate different parts of you, it's not like they can just go to Red Lobster the night before their measurement and put on five pounds of crab legs.
Their bodies are machines and their probably body fat is like percent like as close to death as you can get.
So it's the one thing that you can actually kind of manipulate and grow and shrink.
[00:13:01] Speaker C: Yeah, the under bat wing.
[00:13:03] Speaker A: Like the under bat wing. Back to that, I would guess just did.
[00:13:06] Speaker B: Well, hung guys probably just already have this hidden advantage because their suit's Gonna.
[00:13:12] Speaker C: Have more no matter how hard you work.
[00:13:14] Speaker A: Just as well hung. Guys.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: I guess if you have a son or a son with a big package, you should get him into fly skiing or whatever this is called.
Probably be real good at it.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: All right.
[00:13:25] Speaker B: With that, tape it into your leg and.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Yeah, this was an odd conversation. Took a lot of turns, a lot of. A lot of bends.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: But the Olympics are coming up. I think that's exciting, right? I'm.
[00:13:34] Speaker C: I always.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: I always enjoy the Olympics.
[00:13:36] Speaker C: I've seen a lot of commercials for it.
[00:13:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:38] Speaker C: On the old Peacock channel.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: Old peacock.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: Yeah, the old peacock channel.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: I see what you did there, too. Nice.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: So many dick jokes.
All right, one more thing before we get to the Browns, let remind everybody to call a burning sportscast hot.
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[00:13:55] Speaker B: We want hot takes.
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[00:13:57] Speaker A: You want to talk about penis gate? We want to hear it.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: You want to talk about penises?
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[00:14:13] Speaker A: We want to take a hard look at your hot takes.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: A hard, long look.
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And now for the Browns bre.
Are you ready?
[00:14:41] Speaker B: You got me going. I can't stop with this.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: All right.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: Stings.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: All right, so it's time for the Browns coaching search update because we don't have a coach yet because we'll get to that in a minute, but we speculated last week that John Harbaugh may come here with all his Cleveland ties. Well, we could throw that right out the window.
[00:14:58] Speaker B: Wrong.
[00:14:59] Speaker A: He immediately hired. Was hired by the New York Giants, which. Let's talk about this for a second because I don't know why.
[00:15:06] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: Apparently across the league, it's like this foregone conclusion that the Giants are going to be good now because they have Jackson, Darton, Cam, Scatter. Boo.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: I don't understand it.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Does everybody realize they had those guys this year? And I know Cam scattered, got hurt, but they were asked this year, was.
[00:15:21] Speaker C: Malik neighbors hurt all year, too?
[00:15:22] Speaker A: He was. But like you're telling me, those three guys and instantly this is like a Super bowl team now?
[00:15:27] Speaker C: I have no idea. How's our defense? I mean, bad. Their defense ain't good, right?
[00:15:31] Speaker A: Like, I think they're middle of the pack.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Middle of the pack didn't win many games.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: No. How many they win this year? Like four Games, five games, six games. Would they win?
[00:15:38] Speaker B: Not a lot.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: Yeah, not a lot. They weren't good. So I don't really understand this whole. The Giants, just because they have hardball now, are going to be the best team ever.
[00:15:45] Speaker B: I would have thought that he would have a guy that pretty much had his pick of where he would like to go. I would have thought he would have ended up in a better situation than that. I.
I don't know. I don't.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: You would have thought wrong.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: I. I did think wrong.
[00:15:59] Speaker A: And you mentioned last week when who knows if Scatter Boo's even going to come back. He's just putting his head through walls.
So.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah, this one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of like going to the Browns though, right? Like, if Harbaugh goes to New York.
[00:16:12] Speaker A: Well, we talked about that. Like, is he actually going to turn his team around?
[00:16:14] Speaker B: Like, and if he around then I would expect that because he's a good football coach. So maybe over the next three years they're a competitive, good football team. But if he goes there for three or four years and they're still ass, then I think New York's kind of in the same boat of us, which is just. We're just cursed forever.
[00:16:27] Speaker A: Yeah, fair.
Now back to the Browns here, guys that they've officially interviewed. We're updating all these lists. Jim Schwartz, Tommy Reese, Dan Pitcher, Aiden Dy, Todd Monkin, Mike McDaniel, Jesse Minter, Grant Udinsky and Nate Shieldhouse.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Giants won four games, by the way.
Four games less than the Browns.
[00:16:48] Speaker A: Yeah, but apparently they're super bowl next year anyways.
And now the Browns have officially scheduled or requested second interviews with Jim Schwartz, Todd Monken, Mike McDaniel, Jesse Mentor, Grant Yudinsky and Nate Shieldhouse. So that's pretty much your short list of coaches at this point.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: Is those guys not a very short list?
[00:17:08] Speaker A: No.
[00:17:09] Speaker B: I think obviously this is a fluid situation. It changes almost daily depending on who they've interviewed recently.
It does sound like there's some momentum building for Jim Schw.
Sounds like there's some at least likability to Mike McDaniel and it sounds like they're really high on this.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Grant Yudinsky as well as Nate Shield House, those who. As far as the younger guys, those guys are the guys getting a lot of attention.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I think Shieldhouse, until he has his other interview, probably we won't hear much about until then. And he.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: We'll get to that. Let's just talk about the rest of these. These layers first. So they've requested an interview with Chris Shula, but obviously he's still in the playoffs. And they haven't been able to with, with, with Nate Shieldhouse, even though he's the past game coordinator for the, The Rams. They were able to do a video interview with him.
Haven't been able to get one. Chris Shula yet.
There's. There's talk about there might have been a secret interview that was done with Jeff Halfley. I don't really buy into that. But there's.
[00:18:02] Speaker B: Well, Jeff Halfley is now the coach of the Miami Dolphins, so.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Well, he won't be coming to.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So he was. He was also going to be on the. The out list or the seemingly outlist. They kind of combine them into one, but seemingly out. Joe Brady. Been no talk of him since the initial reports that he was connected to the job.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: I never understood that one anyway. And the fact that Buffalo and I know we haven't Talked about Sean McDermott yet, but the fact that Buffalo has decided to kind of change directions here.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: I mean, momentum for any job that could have been out there.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is a little bit odd to me. Like, you know, these teams that are. Have made it to the divisional round in the playoffs that are getting can now. It's like you did something right.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Buffalo makes it a playoff. They have a good regular season. It's hard to win a Super Bowl.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: And they, they make it to the playoffs.
It's just wild. To me, the perspective is a very powerful thing.
And Buffalo fans right now versus Browns fans right now. And the Browns fans would give their left nut to have a guy like McDermott leading their football team.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. To win 10 plus games every year for six or seven.
[00:19:09] Speaker A: But yeah. Joe Brady seemingly out. Tommy Reese supposedly going to Atlanta, not official yet, but supposedly going to Atlanta following Kevin Stefanski to be their offensive coordinator. And this tells me everything I need to know. So glad this guy didn't get the nod as the next head coach for the Cleveland Browns.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I would agree. I mean, there was a reason that I was very apprehensive on Tommy Reese to begin with, and it was because he was tight with Stefanski. So this whole idea that, like, he's this great offensive mind and all, like, I could care less because the guy that his is, his mentor is ass.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
Another group of guys that are reportedly close to following Stefanski to Atlanta is the Callahans, which that part feels bad because I would have loved to get Callahan back on as an offensive line coach.
[00:19:56] Speaker B: But I think that was expected. The. The Callahan was always a Stefanski guy.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: So he become a Stefanski guy. I don't really understand.
[00:20:03] Speaker E: Like.
[00:20:07] Speaker B: I don't. I don't have any answer for you. I don't know.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: Me neither. I know Bone had a theory off air, and he said he thinks that all these front offices just love him because he's the ultimate yes man.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: Well, I think by. By the sheer nature of the fact that he's already decided to retain Atlanta's defensive coordinator.
[00:20:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't need to pick my own.
[00:20:24] Speaker B: Which is. Which is ex. What we've been talking about for the last couple of weeks, which is like, everybody wants to keep Jim Schwartz. Everyone wants to keep Jim Schwartz. I'm looking at it and saying, if you bring in a new coach, I wouldn't respect you immediately if you were like, hey, we want you to be our new head coach, but we want you to keep this old coordinator. Like, no, if you're a new head coach coming in with your new program, your new vision, you're going to bring in your own guys. So you should want to. When your first step is, I'm going to retain this guy that won eight games here last year with this defense. Like, it's. It's so weird.
[00:20:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's just. It is. It is crazy. But the other guys, we'll move on because I don't want to talk about Stefanski.
The other guys that are seemingly out. Dan Pitcher hasn't been called back for a second interview, and Aiden Dirty hasn't been called back for a second interview. So those guys would seem like they are out of the running as well. And then, as you mentioned, even though there was reports of a secret interview with Jeff Halfley, he's off the table. So, yeah, a couple wild cards we still have on here. We talked about Mike Tomlin and Greg Roman last week, but I added Sean McDermott this week because obviously he got fired by the Bills after their game and he has ties to Andrew Barry. Now, this is interesting because the big story is you got to go back a little ways to see when those ties were. And it was when Andrew Barry and Sashi Brown and Paul D. Podesta were leading the coaching search. This is before Kevin Stefanski even. This is.
They all gave him a vote of confidence. That was the guy. That was who they landed on. They want him. They want Sean McDermott to be the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns. And Jimmy Haslam Came in and said. Said, nope, Hugh Jackson's the guy.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: That was a good move, Jimmy.
[00:21:56] Speaker C: Hugh Jackson, baby.
[00:21:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And so Jackson's here, baby. But. But I will say this, and I know this was. Was kind of your point when we talked about this off air, is as a Sashi Brown guy, that's a Paul D. Podesta guy, and those are. And even Andrew Barry, to some extent. I mean, I know the waters have kind of warmed or. I don't really know what the saying.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: For that, but, like, people don't feel somebody peed pool.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: People like Andrew Barry more than they did a few months ago.
But we're still kind of like. And Andrew Barry helped get us into this mess. So here we are.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: Helped. He built it.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: Right. So those guys like him, you know.
[00:22:37] Speaker B: And I think there. There's an element of the perspective that you talked about here, too, right. With Sean McDermott, especially because when you go back to when he was hired in Buffalo, he was relatively young. I mean, he would have been 40, I think, when he was.
I mean, he's 2016, 2017, 2026 now. So he's, I think, 50 or 51 now. So even 40 years old or early 40s, pretty young for an NFL head coach.
I guess the league is trending that way with guys like McVeigh having success. Like, everybody wants the new hot, young coordinator, whatever. And, you know, Udinsky's handsome.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: So hot right now, but.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: But he had never been a head coach before. 40 years old, you know, was a guy that was a defensive guy and a coordinator for a couple of years, but.
And then you kind of see him and then Kevin get hired around the same time and just kind of take two totally separate paths.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: It's always kind of this game of what it could have, should, and in hindsight is always, you know, clearer perspective.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, in that same draft, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, so, you know, two guys.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: And a couple other guys.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And we'll talk about them later. But the Browns completely botched the whole thing. Now that I'm defending Stefanski. It sounds like that, but I'm not. It's just the reality of where we're at.
And Josh Allen goes on.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: That would be Andrew Barry, mvp, botched that.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: I'm not even saying that they should.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: Well, and that's the first side of it. Right, Right. So, like, we say he's. That this guy is an Andrew Berry guy.
He's Paul D. Podesta, and he's a Sashi Brown. Sashi Brown guy. We don't like that.
[00:24:17] Speaker B: Well, like that.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: But on the flip side of it, I say if Jimmy Haslam comes around to him, then we definitely don't. Like, like, there's a lot of things going against Sha. Shawn McDert here. Like, I just don't know if he's the guy. And, and he was kind of put on, put in a special place. When you got a team in place over there in Buffalo, you got Josh Allen, who turned out to be perennial Pro Bowler, multi mvp, all those things.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: And I mean, I think the thing going for Sean McDermott is he's 106 and 58 as a head coach.
[00:24:45] Speaker A: It's pretty good.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: It's not bad.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: And your first stint, that's pretty good.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: And he didn't get fired because the team started failing. They just couldn't win enough.
You're. You're a proven winner, but you can't win enough.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. That feels bad. I don't know. Opposite of what we've had here for years, right in that same time frame. But so out of these guys go this. We're going to go back to the second interview. Jim Schwartz, Todd Monken, Mike McDaniel, Jesse Minter, Grant Udinsky, Nate Shieldhouse.
Out of those guys, is there a guy that any of you guys, Guys want over everyone else? Does anything excite you here, Kenny?
[00:25:26] Speaker B: Look, I, I still think Mike McDaniel is a good fit here. I still think, you know, I'm interested to see what happens with Sean McDermott.
That, that news is obviously very recent. So I think when you get fired, yeah, it probably takes a couple of days for it all to kind of set in. And you got to start thinking about, okay, like, all the human side of things that goes along with being a coach in the NFL, which is like, okay, I got to move my family. Do I have kids? Are they in school? I gotta, like. And so you have a lot of adjustment happening in a very small window.
So it'll be interesting to see, like over the next week or two, does he start taking interviews with multiple clubs. Are the Browns interested?
So that's, that's a name just because he has a proven winner that I would be interested in for sure.
It sounds like the Browns are high on this Udinsky, so we'll see. I, I don't have ski.
[00:26:15] Speaker A: We had here was Chud Zinski.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: I don't, I don't, I don't.
[00:26:20] Speaker A: I'm Polish and I, I, I like these guys as much as next guy. But Chad Zinski did not end up being a good Coach, I don't have.
[00:26:25] Speaker B: A ski in the fight. I guess.
[00:26:28] Speaker A: I guess there was one.
I just forget about him. We love Polish guys here in Cleveland. That's just. Well, that's why Mike McDaniel's.
[00:26:35] Speaker C: Comes the next coach.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: Just because we love the ste. The pattern. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We love.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: True.
[00:26:45] Speaker A: Again, I want to reiterate that I am Polish, so I'm allowed to say these things.
And we are like the Polish capital of the United States.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: I guess. To answer your question, I'm hot and bothered about all these guys because they're not Kevin Stefanski.
[00:27:00] Speaker A: Fair. Fair.
It's crazy how quickly I forgot about it.
[00:27:06] Speaker C: Took me a second to be like.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: Wait a second, there was another one.
Yeah, look, so far, we're over with the.
[00:27:13] Speaker B: At the end of the day, like, there's going to be. Obviously, when they hire a new head coach, there's going to be a lot of commentary, a lot of discussion about what that means for the Browns. So I think that's the important thing, and that's what we're all looking forward to. I keep saying, like, I don't know, they can screw this. Like, just. Just find somebody that has some kind of track record, and then we kind of start to see what shape this is going to take. It's not about finding criticism of these guys because all of these guys were fired for one reason or another. Right. They're all available because they're not a head coach for another team right now, which means they've had upside down and they've had downs, and you can point to anybody's negatives and everybody's positives and say, here's where they're going to be great or here's where they're going to suck. I'm not interested in any of that. I'm interested in what is. Who is the guy, what type of offense does he run, what kind of defense does he run, and what is this going to look like? So we can start to build a Picture of the 20, 26 Cleveland Browns, who were undefeated, by the way.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: I. I agree with the overall sentiment, but I will say that those last three, Jesse Minter, Grant Edinsky, and Nate Shieldhouse, weren't fired from anywhere. They still have Jason Jobs.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: Okay, fair. But those guys also don't have a track record that we can point to.
[00:28:14] Speaker A: To say, here's what this guy.
Overall sentiment.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: So either way, there's not a lot to criticize or to be excited about because you're going, eh, well, they've had success in roll Right.
[00:28:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: I think we've all probably worked at different jobs.
[00:28:28] Speaker A: Great example of that, too.
[00:28:30] Speaker B: We've all worked at different jobs. Right. Where you have different managers and. And people maybe that were promoted up through the ranks and maybe they were a good sales guy.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: Anybody that's worked under you knows that. It's terrible.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: They might have been a good sales guy guy, but they might not have been a good manager when they were promoted to that. So those things don't always equate to success.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And then you got guys like Kenny that just think he's the manager even when he's not.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: I'm always in charge.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: You're something bonus. Anybody stick out to you there?
[00:28:57] Speaker C: No, I tend to lean more towards an established guy as well.
Jim Schwartz. I would be happy with Mike McDaniels.
Where we at? Sean McDermott. I would be thrilled if he came to Cleveland.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: I would say, as far as winning like that, that's the best pedigree you could get right now.
[00:29:15] Speaker C: Just something established and some. Somebody who has a lot of ties in the NFL, which I know Todd.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: Monkin won a lot in. In Baltimore, but he was just the.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: OC So he didn't win a lot in Cleveland.
[00:29:24] Speaker C: I was gonna kind of say, he's the one guy. I'm just like, I don't want him.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: When they said I don't really know, he was the one that I was like, yeah, yeah. Why?
[00:29:32] Speaker B: He's the guy that got Harbaugh fired.
[00:29:34] Speaker A: Because how to win with that group?
[00:29:37] Speaker B: Baltimore wanted them to move on from Monkin, and Harbaugh said, ain't doing it. He's my guy.
[00:29:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:43] Speaker B: And that's why that relationship ended. So I don't know that I want that guy now again. Can I find a way to love him?
[00:29:49] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: Temporarily. Until he screws up here. Sure. I'll be excited about the hire, but he's probably not on my top three list.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: When I think of Todd Monken, I just think six, seven, six, seven. Yeah.
[00:30:03] Speaker B: I do think out of whatever this decision is, I think it's going to tell us a lot about this front office and about ownership and where their head's at. Because especially with the momentum that Jim Schwartz is carrying right now. If they hire Jim Schwartz, then the departure from Kevin Stefanski doesn't look like a reset. It looks like, hey, we actually are happy with a lot of what was going on here. It just felt like Kevin wasn't the right fit anymore, which. Which is an interesting dichotomy from where we've Been as Browns fans over 8 and 26 the last two years because we've all been miserable watching this team fail.
[00:30:39] Speaker A: What are you seeing that could be.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: So if you go to Jim Schwartz, you're saying we want to keep some consistency and some stability here and we just think it needs. It needed somebody else to provide the leadership.
Which I think is very interesting because.
[00:30:53] Speaker A: There'S a lot to be said about.
[00:30:54] Speaker B: It doesn't represent a full reset. It represents, hey, we're actually quite pleased with a lot of what's going on here. Just Kevin wasn't the fit anymore.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And it tells you they think they're on the right track, at least. It's just that they didn't have a guy that could get these guys excited to play.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: Right.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Which there's a lot to be said about that. If a guy. If guys don't want to play for you all season long, you're going to end up with a 5 and 12 record.
[00:31:18] Speaker B: I think it's hard for a new guy to come in and for players to instantly be like, I can't play for this guy unless it's Jim Schwarzenegger, Schwartz.
[00:31:25] Speaker A: And they already want to play for him.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: No, they. I agreed they would want to play for that guy. But I think you have to, as a professional, give a new guy a chance.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:32] Speaker B: Even if it's not your first choice.
[00:31:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is going to be very interesting. But here's the deal. Don't worry.
Browns can't hire anybody for a while.
They can't hire a new coach right now, even if they wanted to. The earliest they would be able to to do that is after the conference championship games.
Arden Dirty and or Nate Shieldhouse are the only two current candidates that could satisfy the Rooney Rule for the Browns.
So far, both of those guys have done virtual interviews, but the interviews need to be in person for them to count towards the Rooney rule.
And so a lot of, you know, there's a lot of under the table just, you know, things that are happening in the NFL. People, they'll tell you kind of in private like, yeah, you got the job. The Browns coach might already be hired and we just don't know it. I know they'll never admit to that, especially with everything that happened a few years ago and Brian Flores. Brian Flores suing teams and things like that. But the Browns might already know who they're hiring as head coach. And I would actually go as far as to say it's probably likely that they know who they're hiring as their next head coach.
But either way, both Arden Dirty and Nate Shieldhouse are in conference championships games this weekend. So the earliest that we could hire a new coach is Monday or Tuesday of next week.
[00:32:46] Speaker B: It'll be interesting between now and then if another candidate that we haven't heard much about yet pops pops up like.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: Oh, they interviewed this guy. All of a sudden there's a coach.
[00:32:55] Speaker B: Like an Eric Biennie or somebody like that.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: I feel like it's too obvious at.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: That point because then you'll know, right? I mean, without saying, like, hey, we interviewed this guy so we could check off a box and move on and then make a hire.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: I feel like if that happens, the Brian Flores situation is happening all over again and the Browns will be soon, probably.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know that we want to get into the Rooney rule and pontificating on like, does, does this make sense anymore? Like, it's.
But I think NFL teams have navigated those waters for a long time and I think there's, there's ways for them to, to get things done. And I don't think anybody would look at an interview with a guy like Eric Bienname and say, like, oh, that doesn't make sense that you would interview him for your head coach. It's a well respected offensive mind in football. So it fits all the, all the qualifiers that the Browns would need.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: I'm actually going with that. That's what's going to happen this week, just because it's the Browns and they like to cause their own controversy. So.
[00:33:44] Speaker B: Well, I do think that there's something too, like they need to make a decision because the college football season ends this week and so guys that are up for jobs and there's a bunch of openings in the NFL right now are going to start falling off. Right. Kevin's already been hired. Harbaugh's been hired. So the next best candidates, if you have a guy in mind that you want to hire, you don't want to take the chance that, you know, Baltimore calls and makes a sweet offer.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: It is a wild thing that Kevin was one of the first ones hired.
Yeah.
Which is wild.
[00:34:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:18] Speaker A: We'll talk more about that in a little bit. But last discussion here for the Browns, brief offensive tackle or wide receiver, what is more important in the draft?
I'm going to start with bone. What do you think is more important in this draft?
[00:34:31] Speaker C: More important.
We've had a really great O line and haven't done all that much. I would love to have a legit number one wide receiver I think the O line needs to be addressed, but I want our first pick to be a wide receiver.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: Fair.
[00:34:48] Speaker C: Possibly address, address the O line in free agency in certain ways as well.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: Kenny.
[00:34:54] Speaker B: I'm on the other side of that.
And just because I don't know, I mean, think about the last 10 Super bowl champions. Which wide receiver made the unassailable difference in those games?
I can't think of one. So when I'm thinking about building a foundation long term for my team with a young quarterback, like, it's, it's. I know it's not the sex.
No one cares about offensive lineman at the end of the day until you're Joe Thomas or even Boutonio.
So it's never a popular move, but I think it's the necessary move and the right move for them to invest their heaviest capital in shoring up that offensive line first. Now, that doesn't mean you can ignore wide receiver. You need a wide receiver. You have to remake this wide receiver room and this offensive line. So there's going to be a lot of movement. I would expect there to be a lot of movement on both, in both of those rooms. But if I'm thinking, hey, I'm going to take one or two big swings, I think it has to be on the offensive line first.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm actually going to side with Bone on this just simply because it's.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: Easy to pick that one. Everybody wants a wide receiver.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, but. And I agree with some of your arguments.
I mean, offensive line is one of the most important parts on the team.
That being said, we have had some greats. I mean, you even listed Joe Thomas. Like, what did we do when Joe Thomas was here? Absolutely nothing. So, you know, we didn't have pretty much the entire time Joe Thomas was here, except for when Josh Gordon was here and then he promptly got kicked.
[00:36:18] Speaker D: Out of the league.
[00:36:20] Speaker A: Is a, is a legit number one wide receiver.
Like, you point to some guys, you can point to Jarvis Landry, you can point to some of these other guys, but they had like stints. Like they had good seasons, but they weren't like guys that were actually scary, like where they're game planning around them.
[00:36:35] Speaker B: Point. Point taken.
But we also didn't have, I mean, how many quarterbacks played behind Joe Thomas?
[00:36:41] Speaker A: Yeah, totally agree with that part of.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: I mean, you've actually the, the one thing that this Browns football team has had and been known for in the last 25 years, outside of losing games, is at times we've had a reasonable running game and A good defense. And those things were true because of guys like Batonio and Joe Thomas on that offensive line because otherwise you had absolutely nothing.
[00:37:05] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:37:06] Speaker C: I mean, this is a good question. You go, I think, go either way and make good arguments, but I'm hoping we're in a position, which I think we are, to have, have two first or whatever between the first and second round. You're getting possibly two alignment and two wide receivers. If however they move in the draft, you know, whatever it is, that'd be. I think that'd be fantastic.
[00:37:24] Speaker B: There's, there's. Sorry, Bill, go ahead.
[00:37:27] Speaker C: No, that, that's basically all I had to say. But I mean, hopefully we're getting four starters in the draft this year at those positions.
[00:37:34] Speaker A: I mean, you make a good point where once again this year we are going to be one of the youngest teams. I mean we're going to be relying heavily on our, our draft picks. And that scares the shit out of me because yeah, it was a good draft last year, but how many times in six years has Andrew Barry had a good draft?
The answer is one.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: So the final thing that I'll, I'll say on that is just that there seems to be a lot of momentum building for an A.J. brown trade. I keep hearing that a lot.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: Supposedly you can get them for cheap. They're just ready to move on from him.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: You know what's, what's cheap? I don't like six round like, like, I don't, I don't know that you're going to get like I've heard first and third thrown around, which I haven't heard first. Anything which for AJ Brown, maybe some people say that's cheap, some people say that seems like an awful lot.
But I think the other thing to consider too is think about what you watched for the last seven weeks.
What were the drive killers? Because I think Shador showed some promise and if you believe Shedor showed some promise, the drive killers were on that offensive line. It was every time there was a chunk run play, there was a hold. It was every time she door had time in the pocket, there was a hold.
So that offensive line, what was. What was holding that offense back this year? So if Shador is good and has promise and you think he's going to be able to lead this team, that offensive line is absolutely critical, first and foremost. I know you need guys that can catch the ball afterward, but it has to start at that offensive line.
[00:39:02] Speaker A: I was going to say just imagine how many more games we would have won if his guys would have just caught the ball. So I don't know. You go either way on that one, too.
Now, we all know you. You almost swung me. You are a master debater.
[00:39:12] Speaker B: But.
[00:39:14] Speaker A: But I'm going to stick with wide receiver on this one.
But, yeah, with that, let's move on from the Browns brief. Let's. You want to do an interview, Kenny?
[00:39:23] Speaker B: Why wouldn't we do an interview? We are the unofficial podcast of Cleveland Browns backers everywhere.
[00:39:28] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:39:32] Speaker B: How much money do you make a year before taxes?
I'm actually not comfortable answering that.
[00:39:38] Speaker C: Come on.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: We're doing the interview now, not you.
[00:39:45] Speaker A: All right. To help us celebrate the 150th episode of the Burning River Sportscast, let's go ahead and bring in the president and VP of the Tuscaroras County Brownsbackers, Rich and Jason.
What's up, guys? How are you?
[00:39:59] Speaker D: Wonderful, man. Cold, but going good?
[00:40:02] Speaker E: Yeah, we're doing good. Thank you for having us. Us on.
[00:40:05] Speaker A: Absolutely. It is cold this week. It's. I think tomorrow we're recording on Monday. The Tuesday of this week is supposed to be 14 degrees or something.
[00:40:12] Speaker B: It's really cold.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Yeah, really cold. Polar vortex. Don't go in it.
So, guys, how have things been? You know, the season's over now. How. How did you guys wrap up the season with your club?
[00:40:23] Speaker D: We just had a nice little watch party. We had about.
Geez, I think close to 75 our last one. So it was really good. I mean, with the way they're playing, we still have big crowds the entire year, so it's been really good for us this year.
[00:40:42] Speaker E: Yeah, a lot of growth this year doesn't. We were really thankful for all the support that we had at our local bar, shenanigans that we hold our watch parties at. But yeah, we just like what Rich said. We ended with a watch party, a lot of raffles, a lot of cheers because we. We ended with a win. So it was an awesome.
[00:41:01] Speaker A: Nice.
Absolutely. And it has been crazy this year.
There's been some drop off in some of the clubs that we've heard of, but for the most part, somehow you guys have kept up excitement and gotten fans excited to come to the bars and watch this team week after week. This. This season. It's been incredible.
[00:41:19] Speaker B: They won five games.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: Yeah, they did. We ended the season on a winning streak, I guess. So there's that.
[00:41:25] Speaker D: We have a loss in 2026, so we got that going.
[00:41:28] Speaker B: That's right. We're undefeated this year.
[00:41:30] Speaker A: But no, I mean, with that being Said obviously the two big stories for the off season so far are the coaching search and then it's kind of taking a back burner. But the QB story and what we're going to do with QB going forward. So let's start with that. Just because it's. It's. It's not at the forefront of everybody's mind. Let's start with the quarterbacks when there's.
[00:41:50] Speaker B: An important game being played this week that may have implications.
[00:41:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The national championship game of college football. Yeah, yeah, that. That's going on.
[00:41:59] Speaker C: But.
[00:42:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So with the quarterback position, where do you guys think the Browns are headed next next year? Or do you think we can't even talk about it at this point since there's no head coach?
[00:42:09] Speaker D: Well, I still think you got to give Shador the keys. Just let him go for a year, see what he's got.
Then if you want to move on from him, move on from him. But unfortunately still have that $54 million, man, that's going to be coming back here soon. So that's going to play in the factory two.
[00:42:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And Jason, what are your thoughts?
[00:42:31] Speaker E: Yeah, we got developed Shore, he started off strong.
Just. I'd like to imagine how he did. What would have happened if he would have had started from the beginning of the season in training camp.
He's my guy. He's my number one. You got desean Watson. You might as well play him as a backup. I'm sure he'll get some time on the field for trade bait or whatever's needed, but you got to use some of that if he's even willing to come out, come out and play. But Shador is my guy.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: I don't know if you guys saw that while you were talking about him. I just had to erase our board. That said, it's been seven days since we mentioned Deshaun Watson.
Yeah. And I mean, you know, I think we're all right there with you. We want Shador to get at least a season to prove what he can do, especially with some more weapons next year. Right, Kenny?
[00:43:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we'd like to see that. But I guess any chance that desean sees a resurgence under a new head coach and maybe all is well in Cleveland?
[00:43:32] Speaker D: I hope not.
[00:43:34] Speaker E: I don't want to see it.
[00:43:35] Speaker D: I'm sorry.
[00:43:35] Speaker E: We had him this long with no plays at all. That's the last thing I want to see as a fan is him have a half decent season.
I'd rather take the. Take the.
The starting position and Just run with it.
[00:43:47] Speaker A: Just. Just playing devil's advocate a little bit here.
I mean, it is a possibility, especially from what we've seen with Stefanski as the coach for the past however many 20 years, the past six years here. He's not very good with quarterbacks. So, I mean, I'm not saying desean is going to be good under a new. But theoretically, a new coach coming in could do wonders for him. And you're in.
I guess my question is if he looks every bit the Pro Bowler that he once was in the preseason. You still rolling with Shador?
[00:44:21] Speaker D: I would still play Shador. I mean, you have to look to the future. I mean, you figure Watson got one year left, if that, you know, I mean, technically he's got that one year left, but you're going to bring him back. I mean, I really don't think they're going to.
[00:44:35] Speaker E: The only reason will be if he is playing at a high level again, it would be for draft picks for the next year to try to trade him off. I would assume, as a fan, that's what I want to see.
[00:44:46] Speaker B: I just think the most Browns thing that could possibly happen would be we roll into week one with Shador as a start starter. He breaks his leg, DeSean comes in and has a Pro bowl season and the Browns are looking at resigning an extension with the shot.
That's. That's what would happen here.
[00:45:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Save this clip because I put a, put an earmark on this clip. You know that we got to come back to this when all that plays out and happens because we are the Browns.
But no. So you guys are. You guys are running with Shadora. What are you guys hearing from your club? Because you guys have a pretty sizable club. You guys have a lot of people coming come out.
And I'll be honest on our social media, I can't decipher who the haters are for Shador. Are they Browns fans or are they just people that are trolls online that want to get involved with. With the conversation? What are, what is your club saying?
[00:45:36] Speaker D: Our chapters, Allador, they're big time Shador fans. I mean, a lot of people come out says jerseys on and they're. They rooted for him from the way we drafted him.
[00:45:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it's one of the, It's.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: It's one of the really interesting things because, you know, statistically, Shador didn't have a great rookie campaign, but I think we all saw something. Right. Right. Like there's not.
[00:46:02] Speaker E: There's.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: There's enough support in Brown circles and because we watch them every week and we watch them fail so hard. For years we saw something, even if it wasn't reflected in the box score. And I think that's what's hard to pinpoint here because, because it's like, what do you build brown that foundation on going forward because you can't go. Well, I mean, he did win three games out of seven starts, so you can kind of hang your hat on that. But outside of that, the box scorers wouldn't tell you, like, he had a really good rookie campaign. But I think we all saw what looked to be a quarterback with some promise. So I can't explain what that is.
[00:46:37] Speaker A: And what I was going to say is I think Browns fans have seen enough bad quarterback play to know when there's a glimmer of something special in a guy, because we just didn't. There's so many quarterbacks that we've gone through and the most recent one that I can name that maybe showed a flash when he was playing all backups in the preseason and then came in the regular season. There was no glimpse of good whatsoever, which was dtr, we understand, like, okay, this guy, yeah, sure, there's some bad plays in here, he's a rookie, he's making mistakes, whatever. But we understand there are glimpses of what could potentially be a Pro bowl caliber or even just a very good caliber quarterback in there.
[00:47:15] Speaker D: Well, I agree.
[00:47:16] Speaker B: It just almost makes me second guess myself to think, think like, am I, am I lying to myself?
[00:47:23] Speaker A: Because that too, we're Browns fans.
[00:47:25] Speaker B: Because maybe my bar is just so low for what competent quarterback play is. Like, that's all I've been asking for. I'm. I've never been like, hey, we got to get the top three or top five guy in the draft and expand draft capital and go get the guy I've kind of lived and died on. Like, if you have a guy that can run the offense and you have a great defense and there's weapons around, like, you can run a proficient offense in this league that can win you a lot of games.
But at the same time I'm like, did I, did I actually see that in Shador or am I hoping I saw that in Shador?
[00:47:54] Speaker A: Yeah. What are your guys thoughts?
[00:47:57] Speaker D: Go ahead, Jason.
[00:48:00] Speaker E: It was nice seeing those, like, you guys mentioned the glimmers of, of good plays when Shador threw that, that long ball. Perfect.
Now, our wide receivers may not caught it every time, but just seeing that part was just, it was just like, oh, we have a guy that can throw that's great.
[00:48:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:16] Speaker E: And we don't have to throw two yards behind the line of scrimmage. One yard. That stuff was driving me crazy.
But I think just seeing that as a fan is what you. What we want to see.
[00:48:31] Speaker A: Now that you kind of brought up something there, Dylan Gabriel throwing behind the line of scrimmage. Now that. That Stefanski has landed in Atlanta, you think there's any chance the Browns unload Dylan Gabriel to Atlanta?
[00:48:42] Speaker E: Absolutely. Yep. Maybe get another third round pick out of them.
[00:48:46] Speaker D: Yeah, you might get a fifth or.
[00:48:47] Speaker A: Sixth round pick, right?
Say third. Third's optimistic.
I think sixth is optimistic.
[00:48:54] Speaker B: I trade him for a bag of kicking teas.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I would. I would just give them. I. I would actually have thrown him in, like, oh, you guys are signing Stefanski.
[00:49:00] Speaker B: Just go ahead and take this guy off their hands.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: But that's just me. And. And again, that goes back to. This debate online is so funny, because I agree with you guys that from what we're seeing online and everywhere else, Browns fans in general, like Shador Sanders, and it's these. These Internet trolls that come out of nowhere that I don't even know who they are, and they just feel like they have to bash your Sanders and talk about how bad he is.
And the same people, I could tell, they're not Browns fans because they talk about how good Dylan Gabriel was compared to Shador Sanders. I'm like, if you watched both those guys play, it was, like, nice night and day. Yep.
So, yeah, I mean, I hope. I hope. I hope Dylan Gabriel is going with him, but to Atlanta down there, but next up here, obviously, that leads into the coaching discussions. I just said, obviously, Kevin Stefanski's gone, going to Atlanta.
Who do you guys like out of the long list of guys that they've either interviewed or have interest in? Who do you guys like for the Browns next? Next coach?
[00:50:05] Speaker D: Well, to me, what happened today, I mean, shot McDermott would be great.
Then you have to look back a few years ago with.
With Sashi Brown when they were interviewing.
They did an interviewing once, and the board voted on it, and Jimmy Hasm shot it down and wanted, uh, Hugh Jackson.
So I think McDermott would be great. I don't know. I like Schwartz, but Schwarz really didn't do much in Detroit, then had a lot of talent at Detroit, so McDermott would be my guy. Ray. I mean, right now, I don't think.
[00:50:45] Speaker E: The Browns honestly have a chance with McDermott. I'd love to see it. I'll take it with open arms, but I can See him going to Baltimore, maybe even Pittsburgh, his cold weather guy.
[00:50:57] Speaker B: Scary.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:01] Speaker E: I hope I'm wrong. I hope we get to interview him. But I would take Sweet Schwartz as our new offensive, as our, our coach.
Let him pick out the defensive coordinator since he already has that set and a good history with it. And then I know it's a long shot, but I'd even take McDaniels as try to convince him as coming back as an offensive coach for the Browns, but don't see that happening realistically. But I can dream.
[00:51:25] Speaker D: But we still have to, you know, tally in what's called the Rooney rule.
[00:51:29] Speaker A: Oh yeah, we know.
[00:51:30] Speaker D: So we have to.
[00:51:31] Speaker A: Yeah. We won't be getting a coach anytime soon.
[00:51:32] Speaker D: Yeah, that's going to take some time.
[00:51:34] Speaker A: We discussed that. Just, just a little. But it's going to take some time for that. Yep.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: Will either of you guys have any lovers remorse if Kevin has success there in Atlanta?
[00:51:47] Speaker E: I think it will show that there's bigger issues in the front office of the Browns than anything showing that Stefanski is a true coach, coach of the year and he just didn't have the support system to support him to do what he's good at. I mean, just like anything else, we see all these other players, former Browns players leaving there's successful. It is what it is. As a Browns fan, you almost got to expect it a little bit, but whenever he fails miserably, he's like, ah, see, told you guys. I told you guys he couldn't coach.
[00:52:15] Speaker A: You know, the flip side of that's also true. And I don't think Browns fans realize this and it's just a thought I'm having right now off the top of my head.
There's players that play well here that go elsewhere in our trash. I'm thinking of what's the receiver that was here just like two years ago that was Hollywood Higgins or what? Who was it?
[00:52:34] Speaker B: I mean, was, was Higgins really good here though?
[00:52:37] Speaker A: I mean he had two pretty good seasons and then he went elsewhere and he literally didn't make the team.
[00:52:41] Speaker E: Pretty, pretty good Brown standards.
[00:52:44] Speaker B: Where do you have 400 yards?
[00:52:45] Speaker A: Like, no, I think the one year he had like 700 yards.
Yeah, good by Brown. I'm just saying, like he was, he was a starting and he couldn't even make a team elsewhere.
But I just. And there's a number of those guys.
[00:52:58] Speaker B: That are, that are.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: They would probably. You would think of them as role players on other teams or starters here and then they go and they can't make teams Elsewhere.
[00:53:04] Speaker D: I mean, I mean, look what grand great like Greg Newsom. We traded him.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: Yeah. There's nothing.
Yeah, he's nothing. So I don't know. It's just a thought I had.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: I think what Jason said is actually scarier is that it wouldn't bother me if Kevin won games in Atlanta. But what would bother me is if we at the end of the day come to the conclusion that it's the front, the front office and the ownership group that is causing all the issue. Because at that point, where do you go as a Browns fan? I mean, you're not going to change the owner. So we're just stuck in this purgatory forever.
[00:53:38] Speaker A: If that's the case and what's, I guess in your guys opinion, what's the more likely scenario? That one or the Kevin Fisky goes down to Atlanta and can't get anything out of those quarterbacks either and wins another three games this year.
[00:53:51] Speaker D: Yeah, because I don't think he's really, I mean, Penning, you know, hasn't showed much. Cousins is what, 40, 40 plus years old, so.
[00:53:59] Speaker A: And Dylan Gabriel's gonna be the starter.
[00:54:03] Speaker D: And be a Pro Bowler.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: I don't think that's in his future. No matter where he goes. I almost had to spit out my coffee.
[00:54:12] Speaker B: He might buy a ticket to go to the Pro Bowl.
[00:54:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
And then another thing just. I wanted to throw this out there for you guys. You guys mentioned McDermott.
I know. Jason, you said you don't think we have a chance. Rich, you said you'd love to see him here.
Let me just remind you that that Sashi Brown down and Paul D. Podesta gave him a vote of confidence. So is he actually that good of a coach? I mean, those are guys that we really don't like here and that we don't think know all that much football. So I know that he has a good record with Buffalo, but he also had Josh Allen his entire career as a head coach in Buffalo.
[00:54:51] Speaker D: So I mean, I just want to coach. It's going to come in. I mean, let me rephrase it. This head coach, this guy had experience as a head coach. Head coach.
I don't want to come in with a rookie head coach again. That's green. I rather have at least give me a guy that's got some knowledge of being a head coach.
[00:55:09] Speaker A: But how did those coaches become those coaches in the first place? They took it.
Yeah. So it is. It's tough. I understand what you're saying and I get it. But at the same time, like what if they do hit on. I don't have any confidence they will because Andrew Barry is the one leading this whole thing. But what if they hit on a Grant Yudinsky or a Nate Shieldhouse or one of those guys? I don't know.
But yeah, so guys, I know that. So we talked about the coaching, we talked about the QBs.
Last question before we give you guys the floor here. Just to talk again about your event that's coming up that's exciting for this off season. Will the Browns bounce back this next year? And by bounce back I mean like like six plus wins.
You guys, you guys think they're going to improve this year?
[00:55:58] Speaker D: I think so. I mean you got to figure what we had five or six losses with seven points or less.
I mean you could turn that around a little bit. I'll be happy with seven wins next year. I'd be happy.
[00:56:14] Speaker E: Yeah, I agree. I'm not seeing no super bowl bound team next year, but at least a couple more wins, we can beef up our offensive line a little bit, give Shador a little bit more time to stay in the the pocket. Maybe bag either veteran wide receiver or some rookie wide wide receiver as our number one.
I think we should, we have a chance. I can't. I mean there's always next year.
[00:56:39] Speaker A: Anything less than seven wins though, you guys are gonna be pissed is what I'm hearing.
[00:56:43] Speaker E: I'm still gonna be there, I'm still gonna root, I'm still gonna get mad. I'm still gonna be yelling at tv.
Once a Browns fan, always Browns fan at least. So.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: Absolutely. So finally guys, you guys have an event coming up this offseason. A bowling event.
Rich, I just a moment to talk about that again. I know that you guys continue to finalize details. So what updates do you have for us on the event?
[00:57:05] Speaker D: We're still working on all getting everything.
[00:57:08] Speaker A: Tied down like I said.
[00:57:09] Speaker D: So far we have like Felix Wright, Travis Tucker, Ernest Biner, Wally Williams, Tom Darden, Ben Davis, Anthony Griggs, Ray Ellis, Bob Go Hamper Dixon. And it's so we're just still working on trying to get some sponsors for us to help with the cost.
[00:57:26] Speaker A: Cost.
[00:57:27] Speaker D: Trying to get everybody lined up. You know what's going to happen, like how we're going to do if it's going to be competitive bowling, just open bowling.
So it's, it's a lot of work to get this done by June.
So we're going to get it done and hopefully you guys can make it down and enjoy with us.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: Absolutely. Do you have dates for that yet, or is that not finalized?
[00:57:50] Speaker E: Yeah. So the Bullen events are going to be Saturday, June 13, at Wabash Lanes in New Philadelphia. Same place we had it last year.
[00:57:58] Speaker A: Awesome. So we're putting that in our calendar and. And that's.
We'll give you a tentative yes. As of right now.
[00:58:05] Speaker B: I'm getting ready. I'm prepping right now.
[00:58:06] Speaker A: Kenny's. Kenny will be there for sure. I'm giving you a tentative yes.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: I shot 647 on Friday.
[00:58:12] Speaker D: Oh, jeez.
[00:58:13] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:58:14] Speaker E: So no competitive this year. We're just going to family. No, it's.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: Are you rich? You may not have these details yet. Do you. Are you doing anything? I know you said something about everybody bowling ball last year or things like that. Like, are you guys doing that?
[00:58:29] Speaker D: I think we're. Like I said, depending on, like, how many guys are come back that's already been there, we might get them, like, you know, their own bowling shirts or something.
[00:58:38] Speaker E: You know, we're going to Jersey with our name on it.
[00:58:41] Speaker A: The old school ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:58:43] Speaker B: I'm gonna win one of those for sure.
[00:58:46] Speaker A: Then.
[00:58:46] Speaker D: We should have some great raffles there. Again. I know we got, like, we got a couple grills already sponsored, couple TVs and everything, so it's going to be good.
[00:58:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:57] Speaker E: This year, we're partnering up with Toys for Tots. We can't think enough for Deb Oberlin, who's really helping us. She runs the Toys for Tots in our area, and she's taken us under her wing, and she's done a lot of community events. This is only our second, so we're still learning a lot. So we really appreciate what she's doing for us as a club, too, to be successful.
[00:59:17] Speaker A: Absolutely. Shout out to Deb.
[00:59:18] Speaker B: Well, definitely, you know, keep us in mind. Obviously, we would love to attend, but obviously would love to do some kind of sponsorship as well or to get something for raffles and stuff. That's awesome.
[00:59:27] Speaker D: I appreciate it.
[00:59:28] Speaker B: Keep us posted.
[00:59:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So if anybody. Just one more time. June 13th at. Where was it, Jason?
[00:59:34] Speaker E: Wabash Lanes, New Philadelphia.
[00:59:36] Speaker A: There you go. Be there.
[00:59:39] Speaker E: Yeah. Hopefully. We're actually having our big. A big staff meeting this week, so we're gonna start nailing down the details of sponsorship levels, prices, trying to see what. What alumni are still on the fence and why they're on the fence. A perfect goal would be have one alumni on every lane, which would just be awesome. It'd be huge.
If we can't do it, we're going to get. We're going to do our hardest to get there. Even if it's not alumni will be local athletes. We've done that before, too. We've had a couple people from T County make it a D1 college. So we'll reach out to those kids or even former players or whatever. But at the end of the day, it's all about bringing these athletes down to the community, to the area that hasn't seen it for a long time, 20, 30 years until rich took over this past February. So it's been a great thing.
I'm sort of going off topic now. I just want to talk us up as a chapter. We've been able to do a lot of great things this last year in a short amount of time. We grew our chapter from 67 people to over 300 people.
We were able to do a free football camp with kids in the area. We had over 200 kids show up and it was all free. They got T shirts, autographs and food, all free.
So that's the biggest thing besides being a Browns fan is about giving back to community.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: Absolutely. We talk about that all the time when we do brownsbackers interviews.
Is. Is obviously the. The Brown. You know, you guys being Browns fans is awesome.
But the best part about the Browns backers as an organization is all the charity that we're able to. That you guys are able to generate for the various organizations.
[01:01:12] Speaker E: So, yeah, pass it on to the next generation then.
[01:01:15] Speaker D: One good thing, we're hopeful. We applied for chapter of the year and Jason and I are very, very hopeful. And I know there's a lot of other chapters are done a lot, but like how Jason said how we did all this stuff for the youth, you know, the community.
We're very hopeful that Teague County's got a chance to get chapter of the year. That's our goal. We started off in February.
We should find out here in a couple weeks if we. We got it.
[01:01:46] Speaker B: Well, I would think that certainly with the growth in membership that, I mean, that's got to kind of blow everybody else off the charts in terms of resume. So best of luck to you guys there. We've worked with a lot of the previous chapter of the year organizations and have good relationships with them.
[01:02:01] Speaker A: We know a few that are out there stumping for their own. Their own cause this year, too. So, yeah, you know, definitely.
Good luck to all you guys that are in the running for Chad Rapture of the year, no matter who gets it. Well, well deserved.
[01:02:14] Speaker D: Well deserved. Very well.
[01:02:15] Speaker E: Absolutely. If we don't get it. We'll still support whoever does get it. So at the end, we're, at the end of the day, we're all, all Browns fans and family. So it's just been, it's been a great experience this year.
Just the growth. We had, I think 13 alumni down, we had my orchids down from Brook Park. Like it was just like every week Rich was reaching out, say hey, so and so reached out. They want to meet us, meet up with us, or just hey, we want to go up to Brookburk and meet, have lunch or this and the other. It's just been like this time last year when Rich asked me to be part of the club, I've been like, yeah, I'll do watch parties, I'll sell some raffles.
So it's been a crazy adventure and it's been great doing it with Rich. So if you guys don't know, Rich is my brother in law too, so it's a family affair.
[01:03:03] Speaker B: Very nice.
[01:03:03] Speaker A: Probably very rewarding as well.
[01:03:05] Speaker E: Well, yeah, he treats me like a little brother sometimes, but I'll take it.
[01:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's one of the things, you know, we obviously, you know, highlight all the, the community involvement that goes on in these chapters, but we're thinking about like chapter of the year.
It's also just a lot of time, effort, energy that goes into running these clubs all over the country, putting on the events, doing things like this bowling fundraiser. So just awesome work done across the organization. Organization. We appreciate you guys.
[01:03:32] Speaker D: Speaking of Rich. Yep. Speaking of bull. Did you guys enjoy that pin?
[01:03:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. I was just gonna say last thing is I did get your pin. I keep forgetting to bring it to the freaking studio, but I did get your pin. It's awesome.
You didn't tell me there was. There was. There's a couple good signatures on there, but one that stuck out to me. Not that it's like an all time great Browns, but it's just, you know, a highlight of the last few years. There's Jarvis Landry signature on there. Yeah.
So, yeah, it was, it was fun opening that up and just going through and seeing all the different signatures.
[01:04:01] Speaker D: I mean, that's for. I mean, you gu Gave us the opportunity to come on your show and talk about this.
[01:04:06] Speaker A: It'll be like right here somewhere soon. I don't, I don't know exactly where, but it'll. It'll be up on the wall here soon.
[01:04:12] Speaker D: Sounds good.
[01:04:13] Speaker B: The weight tolerance of those shelves.
[01:04:14] Speaker A: Yeah, they'll be fine. I installed them. They're good.
But yeah, guys, listen, we would love to stay on and talk to you all night. Unfortunately, we do have a full show that we need to record, but we, if you guys win Chapter of the Year, you'll be talking to us again real soon because we interview the chapter of the year every year, too, so.
[01:04:31] Speaker E: Awesome.
[01:04:32] Speaker A: You may be back in the next few weeks. I'm.
Yep, absolutely. But again, we appreciate it. Thank you so much for being on and we will talk to you guys soon.
[01:04:40] Speaker D: All right, thank you, guys.
[01:04:41] Speaker E: Thank you, guys.
[01:04:57] Speaker A: A good time. Talking to Rich and Jason there for. From the Tuscaroras County Brownsbackers. I like that. I like how this has become the stomping ground for chapter of the year. Everybody comes out here like, you should vote for us as chapter of the year.
[01:05:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm glad we don't have a vote because it would be really tough.
[01:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. A lot of our friends want to be Chapter of the Year.
Whoever gets it, I'll just reiterate, is very, very deserving.
[01:05:24] Speaker B: Absolutely.
Of work goes into that. I'm excited for this, this event coming up in, in June, right? June 13th. Is that right?
[01:05:31] Speaker D: Yep.
[01:05:32] Speaker A: We got a busy June this year.
[01:05:33] Speaker B: We sure do. It's going to be a, a very busy couple of weeks.
[01:05:37] Speaker A: Yeah. With that, let's go ahead and take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right. So we stole our own thunder earlier. Your thunder.
[01:05:50] Speaker B: Thunder.
[01:05:51] Speaker A: One more coach got fired this week, Sean McDermott. Fired out in Buffalo after, after sticking up for the entire town of Buffalo, too, in his press conference. I can't believe they got rid of him. He was, he was the voice of Buffalo and they let him go.
[01:06:09] Speaker B: I don't know. I, I, I, I will say this for the millionth time. It's hard to win a Super Bowl.
[01:06:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:17] Speaker B: One team, one team wins it every year.
I, I don't know.
[01:06:21] Speaker A: And it's almost never the team that was the best team throughout the year. I just go back to the Patriots when they were undefeated and they still lost the Super Bowl. Yeah, they were clearly the better team and they still lost the Super Bowl.
[01:06:30] Speaker B: And I think this tends to reflect more in the quarterback conversation, which we'll get to and stuff. I see C.J. stroud in the, in the rundown, but coaches also are the victim of this at times, which obviously we've seen this year in Mike Tomlin and Harbaugh and now Sean McDermott, that even sustained consistent success sometimes isn't not enough to stay employed. And meanwhile, you had a guy here in Stefanski somehow got six years winning. Absolutely nothing was dog shit for most of it.
[01:07:00] Speaker A: Perspective is a powerful thing, but.
[01:07:02] Speaker B: But somehow he was staying employed.
[01:07:04] Speaker A: We looked somewhat competitive for a little while and so we were like, let's keep this guy around forever.
[01:07:09] Speaker B: I just think we overlook. I think our perspective is.
Is corrupted a bit because football looks very different today than it did 20 and 30 years ago where when you had your guys, that Marino didn't win a Super bowl, but your Marinos and your Elways and they were so much better than the rest of the NFL at the time that having one of those guys on your team meant a whole lot. It was like when LeBron James was here the very first time, right? You could win 60 games a year just because LeBron was on your roster when you had one of those guys. And it continued into the early 2000s with your Tom Brady's and your Peytons and your Drew Brees.
The. The. The NFL doesn't look like that anymore.
[01:07:48] Speaker A: Now the.
[01:07:49] Speaker B: These playoffs, the. The guy. The teams in the final round are led by Bo Nicks, Sam D.
[01:07:56] Speaker C: Like.
[01:07:56] Speaker B: None of those guys are Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, even. Even the Eli Manning and Aaron Rodgers. Like those guys that are the. The focal point of everything that happens for your football team just don't exist in the NFL. And I think the competition has raised to a point where there's just a lot of good players on a lot of teams. And winning a Super bowl is more a mix of did we. Did we have chemistry at the right time and health at the right time as opposed to do we have the.
The right players can win you a lot of football games year in and year out, just like these programs did. It's very hard and rare to put it all together at the right time to win a Super bowl in a. In even in recent memory. I think our memories get caught up in the. Well, Patrick Mahomes.
Patrick Mahomes isn't in the playoffs this year. Patrick Mahomes might, let's say Patrick Mahomes doesn't make the playoffs for the rest of his career, but he throws for 30 touchdowns and 4,000 yards every year. Patrick Mahomes didn't overnight become a bad football player, a bad quarterback. It's just the rest of the NFL caught up to what they were doing and there's better teams around them now.
[01:09:02] Speaker A: But I think another layer to this whole thing is not necessarily that the competition has gone up at quarterback. I think it's actually a little bit of the opposite, is that the NFL in general is more focused on quantity over quality nowadays.
And it's the instant gratification thing. It's like they just, they go through quarterbacks, they don't give them a chance to develop and they say you're good now or you're not good. Good. And we move on. And you think of guys like Tom Brady, you think of even, even Peyton Manning. We talk about it all the time when we're, you know, talking about Shador Peyton Manning through 30 interceptions his rookie year. But they gave him time to develop because that's what they did back then. Tom Brady didn't start for a little while and then he played and they gave him the opportunity. Like they don't do that anymore. You're either good now or you're not.
[01:09:46] Speaker B: And it's not to minimize the role of quarterback. It's still the most important position. Yes.
[01:09:50] Speaker A: I'm not saying.
[01:09:51] Speaker B: But I think it's less important today.
[01:09:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:09:53] Speaker B: And, and the other aspects of the game are more important. Having a championship caliber defense is more important.
[01:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:00] Speaker B: Having a, you can get away with.
[01:10:02] Speaker A: A decent quarterback and a great team versus having a, A, an all world quarterback and a decent team.
[01:10:09] Speaker B: What we've been raised on, what we have come to believe and know is the fact of the NFL is well, you got to have an elite quarterback and that'll basically win you a championship, which just isn't the case anymore.
[01:10:18] Speaker A: Right. And we, we say all the time, all roads lead back to Baker. And this goes back to that. And that's like he was a good quarterback.
[01:10:24] Speaker B: He was a good, he was good.
[01:10:26] Speaker A: That's where we should have stayed.
[01:10:27] Speaker B: He didn't. You don't have to be Peyton Manning. You can be good and sometimes that's good enough in the NFL a lot. Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, even in Seattle last couple years was good enough to, to win football games. Drake May, I don't think anybody. I think Drake May is good. I think Caleb Williams is good. I think a lot of the, these young players are good. Bo Nicks is surprisingly good. But none of those guys are the second coming of Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. But they're good enough.
[01:10:50] Speaker A: The Baker Mayfield discussion also brings up the idea of that we've been talking about a lot on this episode is perspective.
The Browns got one taste of success and they're like, no, we want Super Bowls now and here we are so.
[01:11:03] Speaker B: Really hard to win a Super Bowl.
[01:11:05] Speaker A: Overzealous sons of bitches.
But anyways, we'll move on from that.
[01:11:09] Speaker D: I don't know.
[01:11:10] Speaker A: We got on a lot of tangents there, but the 10 NFL coaching changes this cycle are the most since there were 10 before the 2022 season. And it's tied for the most all time with 1978, 1997 and 2006. Don't really know how 2022 is not on there. But I digress.
[01:11:26] Speaker B: Adam Schefter.
[01:11:26] Speaker A: Yeah, Adam Schefter.
[01:11:28] Speaker B: But that's basically a third of the league.
[01:11:30] Speaker A: Yeah. That's wild.
And it's funny because the only reason that I'm semi excited for the Browns being competitive next year is because our entire division lost their coaches. Basically the only one that's left, the only coach that's left in the AFC north is still the worst coach coach in the AFC North.
[01:11:49] Speaker B: It's fair to say. Like Sean McDermott could go sign with Baltimore tomorrow.
[01:11:55] Speaker C: It.
[01:11:55] Speaker B: It wouldn't make the McDermott era of Baltimore Ravens football a failure if they went 8 and 8 next year.
[01:12:02] Speaker A: No.
[01:12:02] Speaker B: Like he could still have a great career as a Baltimore Ravens head coach, but it would not be un for there be some time to transition into everything that he's building there and to change the culture into whatever his vision is. So it wouldn't be unusual for Pittsburgh, for Baltimore and a lot of these other teams now that are starting over Buffalo now like to have a season or two here where it's not quite gelled yet, which is an exciting thing for the Browns because if you can get it right and if you can. If you can get up to speed faster than those other teams, you have a chance to really own this division for the next couple of years.
[01:12:35] Speaker A: The AFC north is wide open. The two teams that are good in our division are getting new head coaches and the team that is historically ass still has a terrible coach.
[01:12:47] Speaker B: And all these teams are in some level of flux right now too, because Pittsburgh doesn't really have a quarterback.
[01:12:53] Speaker A: Oh yeah, the Brown Aaron Rodgers definitely not going back with Mike Tomlin being gone.
[01:12:57] Speaker B: Browns maybe do Baltimore has a quarterback. But in recent years, especially this year, seems like maybe injuries and things have caught up to Lamar Jackson a little bit. Defenses have kind of adjusted to his game and he didn't have this success this year that he's had in previous years. So all of a sudden there's questions just like there were about Harbaugh, about Lamar Jackson in Baltimore. So and. And even his just agreement with the organization. Who knows who they bring in as a head coach if Lamar is happy or not. Like there's. There's a lot of flux going on with these teams that just having a new head coach isn't necessarily going to fix it.
[01:13:28] Speaker A: Here's something we're not talking about and I just thought of this is, is we reported.
I, I used the term reported loosely. We don't report things, we just repeat them.
[01:13:38] Speaker B: We don't report the, the news.
[01:13:40] Speaker A: Yeah, but we talked about the stories coming out of, of Baltimore with Lamar Jackson being unhappy. Like we, this, this thing still ain't over. Like, what if Baltimore loses Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson the same off season.
[01:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Look, if the next coach gets one.
[01:13:58] Speaker A: Of Lamar Jackson ends up in Atlanta where there was ties to before or Miami or a. Miami. Yeah.
[01:14:03] Speaker B: I mean, very easily. I mean, again, these teams are in flux. Right. So if you're the GM or you're a new head coach coming in and you say, hey, look, this is where I want to go, I think it's going to take two or three years to get there, but here's what I need. And you start having to move pieces for capital to build that.
[01:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:14:17] Speaker B: All those things are on the table.
[01:14:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Just, just wild time to be alive in the AFC North.
[01:14:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:14:24] Speaker A: Let's move on here. We talked about Stefanski going to the Falcons. He won eight games over the last two years. Raheem Morris, who he replaces, has won eight games. Games each of the last two years.
So there's that. He also, you mentioned it. He also has already become the ultimate yes man in Atlanta and said they could go ahead and keep their defensive coordinator. He's good with that.
[01:14:45] Speaker B: I mean, it's hard to stomach if you're an Atlanta fan right now. Right. The fact that, I mean, how do you, how do you ship out a guy that won 8 games this year for a guy that won 8 games the last 2 years?
[01:14:55] Speaker A: I don't know. I also saw a meme going around that it's basically talking about these search firms that all these NFL teams hire. They're like. So this search firm, the Headhunters, was able to find the Atlanta Falcons because they hired one. They found them their, their own ex quarterback to be the head of football operations or whatever he is. And they found a guy that's been 8 and 26 over the last two years to be their head coach. Good job.
[01:15:22] Speaker B: Money will spent.
[01:15:23] Speaker A: Yeah, good job, guys.
[01:15:24] Speaker B: How much did Arthur Blank stroke that check for?
[01:15:27] Speaker A: Yeah. So maybe we need to start a search firm.
[01:15:29] Speaker B: I mean, can you imagine getting paid for that job?
[01:15:32] Speaker A: Right.
[01:15:33] Speaker B: This guy on cbs, he played for you, right? He could probably help.
[01:15:36] Speaker A: Seriously, how hard can your job be that you're just like, these are the candidates that everybody's talking about, so maybe you should look at them.
I got it.
[01:15:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:15:44] Speaker A: I don't know. Anyways, the Broncos will be without Bo Nix in the AFC championship game. I broke his ankle in overtime as they were close closing out the game. And they will be starting Jared Stidham.
[01:15:56] Speaker C: That feels bad.
[01:15:57] Speaker B: So I think the Patriots will be in the Super Bowl.
[01:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Which has a team bone. And I picked, so. Oh, yeah, there you go.
[01:16:02] Speaker C: I'm still in the running. I got Rams and Patriots.
[01:16:05] Speaker A: There you go.
Next up. Apparently, the Seahawks are pretty legit.
They absolutely routed the 49ers this weekend.
[01:16:12] Speaker B: That game was over quick.
[01:16:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
You say it was like five minutes in. You're like, the route is.
[01:16:18] Speaker B: It was like, 24, three in the first quarter or something ridiculous.
[01:16:21] Speaker A: Just insane. So, yeah, they're. They're. They're advancing to the NFC championship game. Next up, Caleb Williams threw a wild touchdown with the game on the line to force overtime. Don't worry. They still lost.
But he did do it, and it was insane. And I know you guys were talking about this before. Before the show started and how. Just, like, what was going on that play. One, it was incredible that he made the throw, but two, why did the defense just stop playing?
Yeah.
[01:16:46] Speaker B: You feel like after a touchdown like that you almost want. And I know it's. It's easy to go back after the fact and say, like, the second guest coaches. But with the momentum he had on that play, would it have made sense to just go for two at that point?
[01:16:59] Speaker A: Oh, right.
[01:16:59] Speaker B: And just put the game away? I mean, it's for the Super Bowl. It's a season, like. But I would almost rather live conventional wisdom. I would almost. At home, you go for overtime on, like, hey, like, we gave it a shot and we. We had. We had the chance to end it. Right. I would rather be on offense, have the chance to end it and you lose that way than. I mean, overtime was fun to watch as a fan. Yeah, but.
[01:17:20] Speaker C: And they still had a. They still had their own shot to win.
[01:17:23] Speaker B: It was a good overtime because it did go back and forth. But I just.
[01:17:25] Speaker A: Johnson. Isn't he known for taking chances like that? Like, I feel.
[01:17:27] Speaker B: And he's. I mean, the offense has been the strength of that team. I mean, like, I'm with you.
[01:17:31] Speaker A: I probably would have went for it.
[01:17:32] Speaker B: I think you. I think it just. It was an emotional moment. I mean, the stadium was. Was raucous. It was crazy because that play was ridiculous. I think you had, you had everything going for you.
[01:17:40] Speaker A: He was thinking long term, he was like, if I, if we, if we get the two point conversion here and win, the whole stadium is going to fall down from an earthquake. So we probably shouldn't go that route.
[01:17:50] Speaker E: Possible.
[01:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
[01:17:51] Speaker C: That would have been wild to watch if they did that. I didn't even think. I didn't. I've not. That hasn't crossed my mind. But I almost give him a hard.
[01:17:58] Speaker A: Count once and you get a, you get an offsides, you get down to the half yard line.
[01:18:02] Speaker B: I just think like, you know, if you like, would you take those odds? Two yards to the NFC championship?
[01:18:07] Speaker A: Well, this is why. This is when you like it's time for Tush push. Like you just.
[01:18:11] Speaker C: Well and then just on top of that, Stafford and his receiving core and his tight ends, they're so tough. Like even in the, in that cold weather, man, they were just, they were on point, I feel like all game.
[01:18:22] Speaker B: And it's because they had cayenne pepper in their socks.
[01:18:25] Speaker C: I don't know. Real quick Pukinakua blocking. They were highlighting it quite a bit during that game. He is just a man. He is.
I saw him pancake.
[01:18:36] Speaker A: Wasn't he like a 5th round pick or something? Like, like the fact that he came from. That's just wild. That's a great story.
[01:18:42] Speaker C: Oh, he's Samoan. I believe so. I think that's enough said.
[01:18:46] Speaker A: I don't really know what that means.
[01:18:48] Speaker B: They're good athletes.
[01:18:49] Speaker A: Oh, I got you.
[01:18:50] Speaker C: It's just tough.
[01:18:51] Speaker A: I was like, I was talking about him falling in the draft and I was like, where are you going with that? Like they don't like Samoans.
[01:18:57] Speaker B: Samoan warriors are like notorious for.
[01:18:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:19:00] Speaker C: Defending their Samoans.
[01:19:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I got you. I agree. I agree.
Dylan Gabriel, is he.
[01:19:08] Speaker B: He was the little Samoan.
[01:19:11] Speaker A: He was like the Samoan girl scout cookie of Taki.
[01:19:14] Speaker C: Taki.
[01:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:19:16] Speaker B: Anyway, tried the Samoans. It hasn't worked out.
[01:19:19] Speaker A: Were the Browns.
Next up, C.J. stroud through four interceptions as the Patriots rolled in their game to advance to the AFC championship game. I know you had something to say about this. You just mentioned this earlier.
[01:19:31] Speaker B: Just the, the night and day reaction, you know, from the, the previous week, which was, hey, now he has three playoff wins and is he officially the worst kind of a good, a good season this year? Whatever. Felt like he just. Stroud was back. And today the talk track has been CJ Stroud is ass. And CJ Stroud has to go. They can't win with this guy given to the Browns. I'd be happy for the millionth and first time, I'll say. It's really hard to win a Super Bowl. If you're judging your quarterbacks based on their ability to win a Super bowl, you're going to find fault in a lot of guys because it's just very tough to do.
The guy continues to make the playoffs, like, I don't know, with the Texans, so, like. Yeah, like, I.
He had a bad game. Yeah.
[01:20:18] Speaker A: The Texans, under their previous name, won the AFC north more recently than the Browns, by the way, so.
[01:20:25] Speaker B: Well, that was back. Well, that was technically the Titans because they kept the history, but.
[01:20:29] Speaker A: Okay, you're right. So.
[01:20:31] Speaker B: But I just. It just. I was just blown away today just listening to all the talking heads go. CJ Stroud is the worst. Like, I don't. You made it to the divisional round of the playoffs.
[01:20:40] Speaker A: Right.
Again, perspective is a powerful thing. We just keep coming back to that this week.
[01:20:45] Speaker B: So, I mean, if you make it to the divisional round of the playoffs, that means you were beat by one of. Of the top, like, eight teams in the league.
[01:20:50] Speaker A: I don't know. It's just a sign of the times or.
[01:20:54] Speaker B: One of the top four teams in the league.
[01:20:56] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, next up, throwback to the 2018 draft class. I know we've talked about quarterbacks a lot here, so five quarterbacks taken in the first round.
First, Lamar Jackson. Not in any order, actually. Lamar Jackson, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield. And if he wins this one week, Sam Darnold will be the first one to have a chance to play for a Super Bowl.
[01:21:20] Speaker B: Didn't see that coming.
[01:21:21] Speaker A: No.
[01:21:22] Speaker B: Especially now with Lamar and Josh Allen on the board.
[01:21:26] Speaker A: No.
It is wild, though. I think back to that draft and Sam Darnold. Everybody was high on Sam Darnold, right. Where did he go in that draft?
[01:21:33] Speaker B: Third, I think.
[01:21:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So, I mean, it's kind of weird that, like, even though we're sitting here saying, like, I would have never guessed that. Like, apparently the experts did.
They had him at number three. But, you know.
[01:21:44] Speaker B: Well, I mean, how expert are the experts? Sam Darnold's played for, like, five different teams.
[01:21:48] Speaker A: Agreed.
[01:21:48] Speaker B: So.
[01:21:49] Speaker A: Agreed. The experts were probably right. It was the fact of the teams that he played for.
[01:21:54] Speaker B: They were wrong.
[01:21:55] Speaker A: Well, they were just ass.
[01:21:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, Minnesota was an ass. They just shipped him out anyway.
[01:22:01] Speaker C: Right.
[01:22:02] Speaker A: Well, they. They. They are ass because they went with.
[01:22:04] Speaker B: With JJ McCarthy so like this guy won 14 games. Let's get rid of him.
[01:22:08] Speaker A: Yeah, let's go with J.J. mcCarthy, who.
[01:22:10] Speaker C: So mind blowing.
[01:22:11] Speaker A: Has the most eye black of anybody I've ever seen.
[01:22:13] Speaker B: Look, I'll say, like last week we talked about Sam Darnold and I was like, I can't see this guy in the NFC championship game.
[01:22:19] Speaker A: Seattle looks really good.
[01:22:20] Speaker B: And to be fair, like it wasn't because Sam Darnold had like some monster game, but Sam Darnold is the, the literal definition of everything that I've been saying all show, which is like you don't have to be Tom Brady. You just have to be good enough. You got players around you. They got a solid running game, they got a really good defense. Create a turnover. Turnovers like good enough.
[01:22:40] Speaker C: And he's got another home game.
[01:22:42] Speaker A: And speaking of throwbacks, you remember we were in like high school ish time frame and all those damn Steelers fans kept saying stairway to seven.
[01:22:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Seven championships. Yeah.
[01:22:52] Speaker A: Well, Steelers last playoff win coming in 2017 means they now have seven playoff losses in a row. So they got to seven, but it wasn't the seven they were hoping for.
[01:23:03] Speaker B: Their way to seven. Seven playoff losses.
[01:23:04] Speaker A: Feels bad.
[01:23:05] Speaker B: Well done.
[01:23:06] Speaker A: Bad. Steelers suck.
[01:23:08] Speaker C: Even the Browns have a playoff win in that span, right?
[01:23:10] Speaker B: Yeah, we do. Yeah. Browns won a playoff game more recently.
[01:23:12] Speaker A: Suck it, Steelers. The Browns are better than you.
[01:23:14] Speaker B: I guess that's how you get fired.
[01:23:16] Speaker A: If you're Mike Tomlin and that's how the cookie crumbles.
Yeah.
One more thing. Not NFL related, but just want to highlight the financial divide in Major League Baseball.
Just this whole.
[01:23:31] Speaker B: It sounds like this is gaining steam, just this conversation in general because we're talking about maybe a shutdown and a strike and there's salary cap discussions again.
[01:23:40] Speaker A: Feels like every going to happen because the players won't win, so. Yeah.
But anyway, Sh. Otani's $700 million contract that he just before last season, I think it was, that he signed is worth more than the entire net worth of Marlin's owner, Bruce Sherman at 500 million.
[01:24:02] Speaker B: So much money.
[01:24:03] Speaker A: Yeah, those are big numbers.
[01:24:04] Speaker B: Big, big numbers.
[01:24:06] Speaker C: Big numbers.
[01:24:08] Speaker B: But that's pretty wild. I mean, basically, what would you do.
[01:24:10] Speaker A: With your first 700 million?
[01:24:11] Speaker B: Buy the Marlins.
[01:24:13] Speaker A: That's fair.
The Marlins. I don't even know if I'd want them.
[01:24:19] Speaker B: But.
[01:24:21] Speaker A: I. It's just crazy that a. A baseball player is about to make more than an owner or does make more than an owner. And.
[01:24:29] Speaker B: And I'm a big salary cap guy. I think I Think. I think that's what has led the NFL to be the premier product of everything.
Now the NBA has a cap as well, but it's a little more flexible.
But they also have the fact that they play 82 games working against them. The NFL is the perfect combination of parody based on salary cap and urgency to win based on the fact that there's only 17 games. That keeps us literally talking about like we have a whole show dedicated to a football team. So it's just ain't that depressing. The perfect combination of everything. I'm a big believer that baseball should institute a salary cap.
[01:25:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
[01:25:07] Speaker B: Just to, just to create the, the opportunity for other teams. And I know that might be a non sequitur coming from someone who watches Cleveland Guardians or Indians baseball because we actually have a competitive team as a small market in this non cap structure. Somehow we do with a cap. But I think the guardians are the exception to the rule. Right. Most of the other small market teams, hey, maybe once every 15 years, like you put the bright pieces together at the right time and you're competitive for a season or two and then you kind of go back. But the Yankees and the Dodgers and all these other big market teams are kind of always just there.
[01:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:25:43] Speaker B: So I would love to see a cap. I don't. I think the guardians honestly are probably one of the reasons why there won't be. Because they go, well, they can look at Cleveland, they compete pretty much every year and they got no money.
[01:25:54] Speaker A: You know, the real reason why there's never going to be a cap is because these players already have these contracts and that to get us to get an agreement done, you need the players and.
[01:26:02] Speaker B: Well, I think what you, where the discussion probably turns then is you probably make it less of a cap and more of a, a minimum. You have to, you have to. Minimum salary cap expectation of $150 million per club. So that stops teams like from the, like the Guardians from saying, hey, we're not gonna be very good this year. We're only gonna, we're capping out at $76 million on the team. Right. Like some of these other small market.
[01:26:26] Speaker A: But then it goes back to the argument of, well, we can win like that. Why can't, why can't we do that?
[01:26:30] Speaker B: Well, right. And that's why I think it's probably a doomed conversation. But, but I don't know. I mean there's probably a fair amount of, I mean for all the players that are Shohei Ohtani, which are very few, there's Probably a lot of players that would benefit from a cap minimum because think about the contracts of the guys on the guardians. They're making peanuts compared to Shohei.
[01:26:47] Speaker A: Oh yeah. But because of those inflated numbers out of the big, the big stars, some of those mid level guys end up getting really big paychecks because they're like, they'll overpay for me because I had a, like a good season or two and I don't think we're going to.
[01:27:00] Speaker B: Solve it here, but.
[01:27:01] Speaker A: No, no, nobody's going to solve it. I'm actually every time they get close to like the, the discussions in the the mlb, I'm just waiting for the like when it finally happens that they have like a two year shutdown of the MLB because they're like, we can't decide like the owners stick to the. No, we want a salary cap. And all the players say absolutely not. Not. And they just, yeah, say let's.
[01:27:21] Speaker B: I just, I just would like to see more competitive baseball. I just. You feel like same teams, teams every year and different ones win. But it just feels like I would love to see the parody that exists in each other's sports. I mean the NBA has a fair amount of parity too, right? I mean it's driven more by the individual players that go to some of these teams, but it seems like there's more movement now and free agency and things than there ever has been. So.
[01:27:43] Speaker A: But it's still more like less the same thing. The big market teams end up being the teams that, that win.
[01:27:48] Speaker B: True. It's because they attract the best players in the NBA. But I guess I digress.
[01:27:53] Speaker A: So we, we literally solved nothing.
[01:27:55] Speaker B: We solved nothing.
We enjoy that podcast.
[01:27:58] Speaker A: We've added nothing to this conversation.
[01:28:00] Speaker B: Nothing of value.
[01:28:03] Speaker A: So let's go ahead and get into the championship round preview.
We are all now dumber having listened to that. Yeah.
[01:28:22] Speaker B: Oh, gosh.
[01:28:23] Speaker A: All right, guys, there's only four teams left in the NFL playoffs.
[01:28:27] Speaker B: That's it.
[01:28:28] Speaker A: There's only four left.
[01:28:29] Speaker B: Four out of 32.
[01:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So let's go ahead. We'll start.
[01:28:31] Speaker B: Technically there's only three.
[01:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah. When you're starting Jared Stidham, you're out.
[01:28:36] Speaker B: One team doesn't have a quarterback.
[01:28:37] Speaker A: Their defense really good though, so I know, I don't know if they're, if they're good enough to stop Drake. Drake May. May in the New England Patriots stums.
[01:28:47] Speaker B: Had flashes in his like 10 stops in the NFL.
[01:28:49] Speaker A: Stidhams is out there flashing people that.
[01:28:52] Speaker B: Could get it done nut maxing and penis gate.
[01:28:55] Speaker A: Penis gate. Yeah. Anyways, the nfc, we'll start with them. Los Angeles Rams versus the Seattle Seahawks. Bone, who you got?
[01:29:03] Speaker C: Oh, I will be picking the Rams.
[01:29:06] Speaker A: Of course you are. That's your Super Bowl.
[01:29:07] Speaker C: That's my super bowl team. And they're off. The defense is really good and I really like Pukanukua.
[01:29:12] Speaker A: I'm not gonna lie. I don't know who I picked in the nfc, but it wasn't one of these two teams. So I've been picking against them for this entire time. And I know they've only technically played one playoff game, but they looked really, really good. So I guess I'll go Seattle. No, I'm not. They gotta see him.
[01:29:27] Speaker C: Darnold.
[01:29:27] Speaker A: I'm going Los Angeles Rams.
I'm going Rams. Kenny, who you got?
[01:29:33] Speaker B: Yeah, let's go Sam Darnold.
We'll go with Seattle.
[01:29:38] Speaker A: You think he gets it all the way done and wins the Super Bowl? You think Sam Darnold, guy.
[01:29:41] Speaker B: They were wildly impressive.
[01:29:43] Speaker A: They. They were very impressive.
I almost went.
[01:29:46] Speaker C: You heard me.
[01:29:48] Speaker B: The Rams were impressive too, because I did not expect them to go into Soldier Field in zero degree temperature.
[01:29:53] Speaker A: I specifically said that. I said they don't compete in this.
[01:29:56] Speaker B: And, and compete and. And they did and they won. So I'll give them points for, like.
[01:30:00] Speaker A: Resilience and they look good the whole game.
[01:30:02] Speaker B: And, and just the amount of star power they have on that offense. I mean, they're really, really good and really, really dangerous, but the most impressive show on turf.
But we've kind of got it boiled down to the top four teams now, right? So, like, this is where I think it matters that, like, the old adage of defense wins championships. Like, this is where you're going to see it. The two top, you know, units against each other.
The Seattle defense is really good. Really scary, can create turnovers, and Sam Darnold is just good enough.
[01:30:30] Speaker A: Just good enough.
[01:30:31] Speaker B: Just good enough to win.
[01:30:32] Speaker A: On the flip side of that, though, you got Matt Stafford, who's really good.
[01:30:35] Speaker B: Matt Stafford. Stafford's really good. But my whole philosophy is it doesn't matter if you're the best quarterback or if you're just really good, as long as the rest of your team is really good.
[01:30:44] Speaker A: We'll see if. We'll see if it pans out.
[01:30:46] Speaker B: For the sake of my hope for the Browns, which is it's gonna be hard to land the top quarterback entire conclusion on.
[01:30:51] Speaker A: On the Browns future if. On this game.
[01:30:54] Speaker B: If the Seattle Seahawks can win a Super bowl with Sam Darnold we have hope. We can do it with just about anybody that's decent.
[01:31:00] Speaker A: Except for Dylan. Well, he's not decent. I was gonna say except for Dylan Gabriel, but he's not decent.
[01:31:04] Speaker B: He's bad. If. If Shador Sanders can be as good as Sam Darnold, which I don't think is that much of a stretch, Browns could win a Super Bowl. If Sam Darnold goes out and loses to Matt Stafford, who's an elite quarterback, we're screwed.
[01:31:18] Speaker A: That's fair.
Next up in the afc, we got New England Patriots versus the Denver Stums.
Kenny.
[01:31:31] Speaker B: Conventional wisdom here would tell you Patriots are going to roll in this game, well coached.
[01:31:36] Speaker A: Drake just talked up this whole theory of teams in the NFL.
[01:31:39] Speaker B: Drake May's been really good this year.
We got a good running game, you know, Variable. It's like, you know, every time I watch Variable Coach, I'm just like, that dude was in our building and you.
[01:31:49] Speaker A: Just let him get away.
[01:31:50] Speaker B: You just couldn't fire Stefanski one year early enough to get variable in as your head coach, which will haunt us forever.
That being said, also a huge believer in Sean Payton. If anybody can get Jared Stidham to win a football game.
[01:32:06] Speaker A: Sorry, I'm going back to this chemistry. He improved this year and you decided to fire him this year. Right.
[01:32:10] Speaker B: He was better than.
[01:32:11] Speaker A: What are you doing Anyway, So it's.
[01:32:14] Speaker B: Probably because he won those games because of the quarterback that he said was no good. Won those. Those extra three games.
But anyways, if there's anybody that can get Jared Stim to win a football game, I'll go Sean Payton. Let's. Let's. Let's go Denver. They're Denver defense really crowd's gonna be behind him. That defense is very good.
I, I think Denver's got a shot. I think they can keep it close. And if you're close at the home, as a home team, I think he. I think you can do it.
[01:32:41] Speaker A: All right.
[01:32:41] Speaker B: And I think Jer. I think Jared Stidham is in the like Nick folk, like opportunity, folks. A kicker. Nick Foles kicker.
[01:32:53] Speaker A: You remember when Nick Folt came in at quarterback.
He's in Philadelphia, won a Super Bowl.
[01:32:57] Speaker B: He's in the Nick Foles opportunity window.
[01:32:59] Speaker A: Where it's like Nick Foles actually tweeted out and was like, the good news for you guys is the Patriots seem to struggle against backup quarterbacks in the playoffs.
[01:33:07] Speaker E: If.
[01:33:07] Speaker B: If he wins a Super Bowl. I mean, look, if you're a player in that situation, you're writing yourself like an $80 million contract next year.
[01:33:15] Speaker A: That's true. Because somebody's gonna.
[01:33:16] Speaker B: Somebody's gonna sign. The Browns might sign him. This guy want a Super bowl last year.
[01:33:21] Speaker A: You want to Super Bowl.
[01:33:22] Speaker B: He has every reason to go out and just.
[01:33:24] Speaker A: I mean, just to the wall. Nick Foles, how much money he made off of just like, basically three and a half games. Yeah.
[01:33:30] Speaker B: So, yeah, I'll go Broncos.
[01:33:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm going New England on this one. I. I will never ride. Let's ride with the Denver Stidhams. So I'm gonna go New England.
[01:33:41] Speaker C: Bone, who you got also going New England.
Yeah, that was my other team, I guess, in afc, so I'm sticking with them.
[01:33:47] Speaker A: That's my only super bowl team left, so. Gotta go with them. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:33:51] Speaker C: I really should have put money on this, man, if this.
I don't gamble. I should start doing that.
[01:33:55] Speaker B: We've been saying it all year.
[01:33:56] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:33:57] Speaker B: Just pick with Bone. You're in the money.
[01:33:58] Speaker A: Bone's a really good picker, but I am king of the north, so. Kenny, you're a clown.
And, guys, I think that's pretty much it for the show. So before we get out of here, let me remind everybody. Call it Burger Sportscast on the hot take hotline. We're talking to you, Rich.
[01:34:17] Speaker B: Yeah, call us. Call us Rich.
[01:34:20] Speaker A: Rich from the the T County Brownsbackers. You, too, Jason. Call. Call. Call the hotline.
[01:34:26] Speaker B: Are we just advertising the hotline for next year at this point? Because no one's calling this year.
[01:34:29] Speaker A: Call the hotline.
[01:34:30] Speaker B: Call us next year.
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[01:34:32] Speaker C: Give us your head coaching top takes.
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[01:34:44] Speaker A: Or we'll kick you in the gym.
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[01:34:47] Speaker A: And be sure to these nuts. And be sure to check out our gear. Www.thetabitmedmedia.com backslash shop. That'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect next week?
[01:34:55] Speaker B: Oh, I can tell you what you can expect next week.
[01:34:59] Speaker A: Nothing.
[01:35:00] Speaker B: Nothing.
Because we're not doing a show next week. Yeah, we did 150 shows, and we're like, that's it.
[01:35:07] Speaker A: No, we didn't. We didn't know. That's not what happened here.
[01:35:09] Speaker B: No, we're taking a little break here.
There wasn't a ton of browns news this week, so we'll let it build up a little bit. We don't think they're going to hire a coach next week so we will follow up at the following week, the week before the super bowl do a Super bowl preview and so yeah so you're out. You're off the hook for next week of having to listen to us father a listener.
[01:35:31] Speaker A: I'd be stoked cuz I don't have.
[01:35:33] Speaker B: To listen to you probably yeah so don't listen to us next week but.
[01:35:38] Speaker A: Listen to us the next week after that and check us out on social media. Tap me on Facebook X and Instagram at the tap media. I'm burning Sportscast. That's this podcast on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok and YouTube at Burning Sportscast and X as well handle at Burning over Pod. You can find our podcast wherever. Get your podcast talk at Apple Podcast Spotify, YouTube Music Amazon, Amazon Music Stitcher, Pandora Heart Radio Podcast Castro Good pods. We're an rank football podcast and so many more reviews. Reviews are the best thing that you can do to help our podcast grow. Please keep supporting and we'll continue to grow together. Tweak our formula when necessary. Keep bringing you the best damn Cleveland Browns pod in the land. You know what that takes us to Kenny.
[01:36:10] Speaker B: Thank you.
[01:36:25] Speaker A: You better have good facts today. I'm gonna you up. Wow.
It better be whale facts.
[01:36:30] Speaker B: That was aggressive.
[01:36:31] Speaker A: It's 150. They better be whale facts.
[01:36:35] Speaker B: It's not, but they're maybe whale adjacent.
[01:36:38] Speaker A: What does that even mean?
[01:36:39] Speaker C: Sharks.
[01:36:40] Speaker A: Shark facts.
[01:36:42] Speaker B: It's obviously an interesting time to be alive not just in the AFC north, but also the United States of America. That's true. A lot of geopolitical discussions, discussions going on Greenland conquering other countries.
And I'm not going to jump into the political side of things necessarily, but I do have some geopolitical facts. So number one, Greenland.
[01:37:05] Speaker A: I knew we were going there.
[01:37:06] Speaker B: Although it is big, only has a total population of around 56,000 people.
[01:37:13] Speaker A: That says unlike Cleveland, that means that.
[01:37:15] Speaker B: You'Ll run into 03 people per square kilometer. They're still using use those things over there because they're not America yet.
Of course as far as population density goes, the population is not distributed evenly. So nobody lives in the vast majority of the country. 80% of it is covered by ice.
So there's plenty of room to be alone even in the capital city, Greenland.
Greenland fact lots of space to spread out.
[01:37:42] Speaker A: Thanks Number two. Good to know.
[01:37:46] Speaker B: Greenland fact number number two.
The Greenlandic sled dog is the only breed allowed north of the Arctic Circle. And in East Greenland over Thousands of years. The Greenlandic sled dog was specifically bred for stamina and hardiness to maintain the purity of the breed and ensure that future generations are able to fulfill their role in this Arctic society. It is illegal to bring any other bread breed of dog into the dog sledding areas.
[01:38:17] Speaker A: Wow.
[01:38:18] Speaker C: That's pretty cool.
[01:38:20] Speaker A: Incredible. You've landed on a fact that actually impressed us.
[01:38:24] Speaker B: Number three, Greenland adjacent.
Vladimir Putin.
[01:38:31] Speaker A: How are these whale adjacent? I want to know.
[01:38:33] Speaker B: There's a lot of whales up there.
[01:38:35] Speaker A: That's what you're going.
[01:38:36] Speaker B: Are they not a bunch of whales?
[01:38:37] Speaker A: You.
[01:38:38] Speaker B: There's a lot of trade routes.
[01:38:39] Speaker A: I want whale whale facts, towns.
[01:38:41] Speaker B: There's a lot of good whale watching in Greenland, in around.
[01:38:47] Speaker A: Greenland. Greenland's population, by the way, I just want to go back to this is approximately 6.7.
Or Cleveland's population is approximately 6.7 times that of Greenland.
Just Cleveland.
[01:38:59] Speaker B: There's about.
[01:38:59] Speaker A: Just Cleveland.
[01:39:00] Speaker B: 350,000 people in the Cleveland metropolitan.
[01:39:02] Speaker A: 372.
[01:39:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:39:03] Speaker A: Last census, which was recently. Yeah.
[01:39:08] Speaker B: Number three.
[01:39:09] Speaker A: Number three.
[01:39:09] Speaker B: Vladimir Putin.
[01:39:10] Speaker A: Putin has a suitcase. The dude's name is Putin. Let's be honest here. Like, why aren't there more jokes about him?
[01:39:17] Speaker B: We're going there now. Vladimir Putin has a suitcase that he's.
[01:39:21] Speaker A: Always nevermind for his poops.
He's Putin in his poop.
[01:39:28] Speaker C: A little bit of testing biopsy.
[01:39:31] Speaker B: Putin's bodyguards collect his poop whenever he travels and take it back to Russia. As an attempt to stop foreign spies from discovering information about his health. Putin has been recorded multiple times entering restrooms with an entourage and always one man carrying a suitcase. There are at least two examples of poop interception being used as an intelligence technique. In 2016, a former Soviet agent said he discovered evidence that Stalin tried to spy on China's Chairman Mao and other top officials by analyzing their excrement in other poop espionage.
British spies sifted through soiled toilet paper used by Soviet troops in East Germany during the Cold War.
And going along these same lines, French President Emmanuel Macron once refused a request from the Kremlin to take a Russian COVID 19 test ahead of an in person meeting with Putin over fears that it could be used to analyze his DNA. So I guess the question is, what are these. These guys hiding in their poop?
[01:40:32] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:40:35] Speaker B: But can you imagine you just got to go into the bathroom after Putin.
[01:40:38] Speaker A: Who knew?
[01:40:39] Speaker B: After Putin poots. And you got to put it in a suitcase.
[01:40:41] Speaker A: You got to put in poot in the poop. In. In the suitcase.
[01:40:47] Speaker C: You think you could just flush it and it goes Putin.
[01:40:50] Speaker A: You got to put it in, mix.
[01:40:52] Speaker C: In with everybody else's.
[01:40:54] Speaker B: It's like the Internet. Internet. It's forever. DNA is forever.
[01:40:56] Speaker A: I never knew that there was a whole subcategory of espionage known as poop espionage.
[01:41:03] Speaker B: Who knew?
[01:41:03] Speaker C: Yeah, that would make an interesting show.
[01:41:05] Speaker A: That needs to be on the next James Bond film.
[01:41:07] Speaker B: I mean, what crime do you got to commit in Russia to be that guy?
Hey, I need you to go clean.
[01:41:13] Speaker A: Can you imagine if that's the plot of of 007?
[01:41:18] Speaker B: James Bond is stealing the poop of the world leader.
[01:41:22] Speaker A: I think that's a movie we should make.
[01:41:24] Speaker B: I don't know geopolitical facts for days.
[01:41:26] Speaker A: That one's a wild one. And I'm not touching. Next. There's too much poop.
[01:41:30] Speaker B: Too much Putin.
[01:41:31] Speaker A: I had pink ey once. I don't want it again.
[01:41:34] Speaker B: Don't touch the suitcase.
[01:41:35] Speaker A: No.
[01:41:42] Speaker C: Yeah. All this poop talk has really made me tired.
Bon appetit.
[01:41:50] Speaker A: We talk about poop and bone says, bon appetit.
[01:41:54] Speaker B: So much poop. Don't just be a part of the Putin.
Be the whole damn Putin.
[01:42:02] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
[01:42:05] Speaker B: Burning river sports. Burning rivers.
Burning rivers. Burning rivers.
[01:42:12] Speaker C: Burn it up.
[01:42:15] Speaker A: Everybody poops.
[01:42:18] Speaker B: I don't know that one.
[01:42:20] Speaker A: It's not a real song.
I don't have a song now. You got a song.
[01:42:24] Speaker B: No songs tonight.
[01:42:25] Speaker A: No song.
[01:42:26] Speaker C: I don't have any.
[01:42:26] Speaker A: No, just the first one that pops in your head.
[01:42:28] Speaker B: Bone.
[01:42:28] Speaker A: Go.
Bye. Bye.
[01:42:31] Speaker B: Bye.
Good night, Cleveland.
[01:42:35] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:42:37] Speaker C: Good night, Akron.
[01:42:38] Speaker A: Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
I can't even say I didn't think.
[01:42:53] Speaker B: We'D be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:42:55] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[01:42:58] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[01:43:00] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up, because it's not time for the hokey Pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sports cast.
[01:43:10] Speaker D: Motorboat. You play the motorboat.
[01:43:14] Speaker A: You motorboat. Son of a.
[01:43:16] Speaker B: You old seal. Are you. You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[01:43:18] Speaker A: What? What were you? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts. Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[01:43:23] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:43:24] Speaker A: My name is Utrid, son of Utred, by the way. I want my foreskin back.
[01:43:31] Speaker B: Women's. Guide to. To anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes second edition?
[01:43:37] Speaker C: The weather outside is weather.
[01:43:39] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh, my God. My ass is full of she Everywhere.
[01:43:47] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:43:47] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[01:43:50] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:43:50] Speaker A: Oh, no.
[01:43:52] Speaker B: We suck again.
[01:43:53] Speaker C: You don't need fun fundamentals when you got heart.
[01:43:56] Speaker A: And Jesus. And Jesus.
[01:43:58] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:43:59] Speaker A: Touchdown.
[01:44:00] Speaker C: Number one.
[01:44:00] Speaker B: What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
[01:44:02] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling. Timber.
God damn cat. Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like meat pod slow roasted.
[01:44:16] Speaker B: The leads are weak.
[01:44:18] Speaker A: Leads are weak.
Leads are weak.
[01:44:21] Speaker B: You're weak. That we should send a team of oil core drillers. Allah Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water trap 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high. No browns, baby.
[01:44:33] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. Oh, Lord. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[01:44:43] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:44:43] Speaker A: But damn.
[01:44:44] Speaker B: I'm sorry I hijacked you your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[01:44:49] Speaker A: You know why, mister?
[01:44:51] Speaker B: Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[01:44:53] Speaker A: I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[01:45:05] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[01:45:06] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[01:45:09] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make left.
[01:45:11] Speaker A: It's cheese.
[01:45:12] Speaker B: We need cheese girl now. Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson. Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[01:45:20] Speaker A: Probably me.
[01:45:21] Speaker B: You making it full of fat people.
[01:45:24] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[01:45:26] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[01:45:29] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[01:45:35] Speaker C: You first get shocked and then you get the shock.
[01:45:37] Speaker B: Okay?
You like to see almost naked.
[01:45:41] Speaker A: That's cool, man. Whatever.
[01:45:43] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no.
[01:45:47] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
Is this not why you?
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