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[00:01:10] Speaker B: It's time Time for the Burning River Sportscast. At long last, our Kevin Stefanski nightmare is over. And thank God for it. While it was a long time coming and Kevin's antics have worn thin, it hasn't always been bad. Kevin came to us at a time where there was chaos and turmoil in this organization and winning was an absolutely foreign concept. Kevin did have small patches of success. The Browns made the playoffs twice, won a playoff game against a division rival no less, and were a fourth down away from a trip to an AFC championship game. Kevin stabilized a franchise that was on life support and reminded us what it felt like to win.
All the things that we've complained about for years are all true, and Kevin was not a sustainable option going forward. But despite, despite the way things ended, I do think Kevin's tenure will be remembered more fondly years from now than it is today. Similar to a president that loses popularity over his term, history has a tendency to remember those who have come before us, sometimes more fondly than they deserve. And in the words of the immortal Bill Goldberg, who's next?
We'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:27] Speaker A: Another one bites the dust and another one gone. And another one's gone. Another one bites the dust. That's two.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: We can't all live on the beach.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Well, not everybody, but not everybody wants to live on the beach.
[00:02:39] Speaker C: Brown win, baby. Browns win.
[00:02:42] Speaker D: John Hughes would definitely be driving separate. He's like I'm not being did he.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Just call him Yan?
[00:02:47] Speaker B: Is he speaking in tongues?
[00:02:48] Speaker C: Angry Open 5th Annual June 5, 2026 we're still Browns fans.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: Does your butthole ever get jealous of what comes out of your mouth?
[00:02:56] Speaker A: Don't call the hot take hotline while you're driving cuz you might lose concentration.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: Who's Kevin Stefanski?
[00:03:05] Speaker A: Not the coach of the head Browns. He has. He has been fired by the coach.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: Of the head Browns.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Is that what I said?
[00:03:11] Speaker B: Excellent tweet. Excellent timing. Yes, just perfect execution by Carly Teller.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: That pisses me. That pisses me right off. She told me she wanted to see you again.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Unlike the Big Bone man, the Bills.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: Pull it out and we spend an exorbitant amount of time teaching kids about dinosaurs.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Why, like you guys taught us all the wrong.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: Look at that.
[00:03:33] Speaker D: It's out there now.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: We're learning geology.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: Oh, dang Dang.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: Big dang.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: Ding dang. I told you. He, he's.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: He's. I told you.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: The expert.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: He knows.
How many guys in the NFL probably take steroids?
Say high 70s.
[00:03:50] Speaker E: Higher than you would imagine.
[00:03:57] Speaker B: Welcome in to the Burning River Sportscast. Presented by the fine folks at Tap In Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. My part.
Looks like he knows which color crayon tastes best. Whoever told him to just be himself gave him some really bad advice. Green. He's red hot.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Ronnie Green tastes best.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: And on the board the day. He's been cocked more times than an Elmer Fudd rifle. He's the Big bone man. Bone.
[00:04:22] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:04:25] Speaker A: That's a good one.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: You couldn't even get through it.
Bone, did I ever tell you that I was blessed with a nine inch penis?
[00:04:32] Speaker D: Oh, no.
[00:04:33] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: That priest is in jail. Now back to red hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest dope they ever heard? On a podcast. The number one ranked football podcast. And all the good pods. The official podcast of dozens of Cleveland Browns backers around the world. And the unofficial podcast of Cleveland Browns backers everywhere.
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[00:05:13] Speaker A: While you're at it, check out our merch www.the media.com shop. All kinds of stuff in there today on the show. This is what you can look forward to. Hot takes from the hot take hotline. The Browns brief division roundup and King of the north results with John Hughes. Tight race to close this thing out between Bone, Big John and myself.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: So.
[00:05:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that too. A quick trip around the NFL and a quick playoff preview. And so with that Kevin walks warily down the street the Browns just let him go Ain't no sound but the sound of his feet he didn't think he'd be going home Are you ready? Are you ready for this? Are you hanging on the edge of your seat? The Cleveland Browns need a new head coach. See you later, Stefanski.
Another one bites the dust Another one bites the dust and another one gone and another one gone Another one bites the dust oh, let's get things started with the burner of a news story of the week.
All right, this week, for the Burning river news story of the week, brain implant tech from Neurolink is set for mass production starting in 2026. Kenny's got the story for us. What do you got? This is pretty fucking scary.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So our friend Elon Musk is.
[00:06:42] Speaker A: I use the term friend loosely.
[00:06:45] Speaker B: I don't actually know the guy.
Has announced that they'll start mass production of his brain implant chips.
Received FDA breakthrough device designation for speech restoration technology targeting severe speech impairments.
So it's been through clinical trials, is currently implanted in 12 patients with severe paralysis.
One guy is completely paralyzed and now is using it to communicate. He can type things with his brain.
Apparently, some of these patients are able to now physically control tools in rooms to perform physical actions like bringing them water or other types of things that all communicate with these neuralink implanted chips.
So I guess we're just one step closer to officially becoming cyborgs.
[00:07:37] Speaker D: That's crazy.
[00:07:38] Speaker A: It's happening.
This is not good.
[00:07:42] Speaker B: The device itself is fully implantable and cosmetically invisible, measuring just 1.75 inches thick.
Huh.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: What happens when the AI jumps to.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: Your brain, I wonder? I just want to know what happens. Like, if it shorts in your brain.
[00:07:58] Speaker D: Yeah, that would.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: I've seen those movies.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Yeah, well. Oh, no.
[00:08:02] Speaker D: You think it's.
Pretty soon you'd be able to just control a robot if you're, you know, you're bedridden or whatever it is.
[00:08:10] Speaker B: I think that's the next step. Right. As technology progresses. I mean, you start with, hey, this is a good thing, because we can help paralysis patients, you know, move limbs or control things.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: Yeah, until they control the robot and kill me and.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: And then it, you know, becomes consumer tech. When you can turn things on and off in your house, turn the lights on with your brain.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Oh, that sounds pretty cool. I'm all for that.
[00:08:30] Speaker B: We've got smart plugs, right? I mean, if you just have all those things that interface with the technology.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: Logical.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah, just turn on the coffee maker with your brain from bed.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: Like, I don't even have to say a word. I just.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: You just think it and it's done.
At some point, do we just become, like, I guess this is the what, the singularity, right? Like, at what point do we become.
You know, we rely on smart people to do things right, like doctors and lawyers. Like, at what point does knowledge not become important anymore? Because if I have an implanted brain chip that's a computer that connects me to all the information on the planet, why would I ever need help from anyone else? And at what point does that parody of intellect, like. Like, what. What happens to the world when we're all the smartest and we're all as smart as each other?
[00:09:18] Speaker A: This is. This has big implications because I know we've talked about, like, you know, when. When we get to a point where AI is doing everything, like. Like, it's going to be messy, the transition, but eventually. I'd love to live in that world where we're just on vacation 24 7, but the problem is it's gonna be really messy getting there.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what we do for jobs and how we pay for light living until then, but.
[00:09:40] Speaker A: But I mean, ultimately, do you get to. Probably knocks. We're humans. But do you get to a point where you live in a society where that. That shit just literally doesn't matter anymore? And you're like, I just live on the beach and do whatever the fuck I want all the time.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: We can't all live on the beach.
[00:09:52] Speaker A: Well, not everybody, but not everybody wants to live on the beach. The robots make the mai tai's, obviously, but, like, you can live in the mountains. You can live wherever. Like, you just do what you want to do.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: Tis a pleasant fiction. You won't be living in the mountains or the beach.
[00:10:07] Speaker A: I'll die.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: You'll be manufacturing brain chips for a living, while the rich people, the people that have everything, live on the beach and in the mountains.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Oh, let me guess. That's gonna be you?
[00:10:17] Speaker B: Probably.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: No, no, absolutely not.
[00:10:20] Speaker B: The worst part is you'll be as smart as me, but you'll still be the one building the chips. No, it is kind of scary.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: I mean, I'm just saying, like, that's the. That's the progression, right? That's the road. We got it. Like, how do we look? You end up here, but can we end up there? Is it even possible?
[00:10:34] Speaker B: Starts with paralysis victims. Evolves to turning the coffee maker on from bed into the end of the human race.
[00:10:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:43] Speaker D: Very quickly. That escalated quickly.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: Slippery slope we're on here. Yeah.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: I don't know what we do with this information. I just thought it was a fascinating story of where we're headed.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: I don't like to start thinking about these things.
It gets pretty wild, pretty fast.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: Pretty wiggity. I mean, I guess if you listen to the scientists, ultimately we're made of stardust. And the entire universe will someday burn out of all of its fuel. Everything will become cold and dark and everything will disappear. So really none of this matters.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: That's true. I know they like to say that they know that the sun's not anywhere close to blowing up. But, like, what if we're on the verge of all this stuff and we're getting ready to realize the singularity and then the sun just blows up?
[00:11:21] Speaker B: Well, whether it's 10 years from now or 10 million years from now, at some point it's a burning ball of fuel and it will extinguish.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: I'm just saying, like. And say they know, but they don't know.
[00:11:30] Speaker B: And everything that we've ever known or ever cared about will literally be meaningless and a void of emptiness for all eternity.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: It's all a theory until it's not anymore.
[00:11:41] Speaker B: Well, it's not a theory when you can observe these things in other worlds that are going on.
[00:11:46] Speaker A: No, I'm talking about watch stars experience. I'm talking about. They say, like they know it's not anywhere close right now. Like it's all a theory until it's not a theory and then the sun actually blows up. We're all dead.
[00:11:56] Speaker D: Agree.
[00:11:56] Speaker B: I maintain that the sun is very cold and all stars are freezing balls of frozen stuff. That is so cold that.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: That's not where I was going with this, but sure. I mean, I was just saying it could blow up tomorrow and we're all gone.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: Who knows? Maybe the world is flat.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: That was a weird tangent that we got off on anyways, with that one more thing before we get to the Browns. Let me remind everybody to call the burger sports guys. Hot.
George, call. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. These are hot takes. We want hot takes. Do you have hot takes that we want hot takes?
[00:12:27] Speaker B: We got.
[00:12:27] Speaker A: We got ready.
[00:12:28] Speaker B: So many hot takes.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: How many are so many? Is it like 3?
[00:12:32] Speaker B: Like 8? This is going to be its own show today.
[00:12:35] Speaker A: Hell, yes. The hot take hotline is live.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: Hotline has finally arrived.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: This is what I'm talking about.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: Here we go.
[00:12:43] Speaker C: Hey, it's Kevin. I am currently standing here with Manco. In an arm lock on Angry Bobby, and I don't know what to do. And now I think it turned into a hug. And Browns win, baby. Browns win.
Ian, Menachem are all good.
I love this man.
Don't believe him. He's lying.
Bobby's.
I'm not lying. Bobby's the greatest.
All right, gents, enjoy the win. Hot take. We don't even have a hot take anymore. Hot take? You're just calling now? My hot take is you better show up to the Angry Open next year, boys. You better show up.
Maybe we found our kicker.
Maybe we all want to show up on a hot take hotline.
Maybe we found our kicker. Kyle, you want to say anything else when we did not make a group call? Sounds nuts.
Peace out, gents.
[00:13:41] Speaker A: I got a lot of mixed signals from whether or not that was actually over between Menachem and Angry Bobby.
[00:13:47] Speaker B: Menachem found himself in a hostage situation. That's what it sounded like.
[00:13:52] Speaker A: I think I'm gonna reach out to these guys to see if we can him on next week to just really everybody in the same room sober and. And hash this out and figure out what happened, where things went wrong, and. And. And where we stand right now.
[00:14:04] Speaker B: Look, there's like seven more calls from North Jersey on this, right?
So you don't even know what's going to happen next week.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: All right, well, either way, that was. That was my plan. We'll see how this all shakes out.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: I love the chaos, though, of the group call from the Brownsbackers of North Jersey every time.
[00:14:21] Speaker A: And we did talk about Sunday.
We might have found our kicker. Andre Schmidt totally redeemed himself.
[00:14:27] Speaker D: Yeah, he did.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: I've been putting respect on his name for the last two weeks. He redeemed himself again. Full circle moment.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: He actually has been listening because you said the only thing left for him was you're not sure if you want him kicking in the pressure situations. And then he said, how about this?
That's true.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: Both call outs that I made was I want to see Shador lead a game, winning, driving, crunch time. And I want to see Andre Schmidt.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: It's contagious on our show. It used to be bone and now you're Nostradamus.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: I want to see Schmidt kick in a high leverage situation, and all things were accomplished this weekend.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: All right, what's the next one? We got. We got more.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: We got more coming.
[00:14:58] Speaker C: It's Timmy and Bobby and what a win.
Brown backers of North Jersey calling in again because Kevin didn't give the phone to anyone. Else besides nakam. My dad.
What a good win.
Andre Schmidt. I should give the. I should give it to Ronnie Jams because he called the.
He called for the game when he. Field goal. But you guessed the wrong score.
But what a great win. It was great. I was getting deja vu at first with one point left, but Andre Smith, he did it. Is he our kicker next year? Yes, he's our kicker. He's our kicker. Great win. Great to see Miles get the record.
People are saying that Joe Burrow fell down, but I don't believe it.
Still a sack record.
Good win. I don't know if this means that.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: Stefansky's gonna stick around.
[00:15:58] Speaker C: I don't think so. I still don't think so, though. Yeah.
[00:16:02] Speaker E: By the time that call goes through.
[00:16:03] Speaker C: Is the chance to be fired.
We'll find out. But I don't. I don't think he's saying good win, just happy with a win. That's all that matters. Just win. That's our hot take is the fancy sky.
[00:16:18] Speaker E: No.
[00:16:19] Speaker C: Peace out. Go Browns. See you next season.
Angry Open 5th Annual June 5, 2026 yeah, you guys better be there because I want to meet you guys because never on the podcast, but peace out.
[00:16:36] Speaker A: All right, so your hot take was that Kevin Stefanski's gone and your hot take was.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: I forgot that I was also. Also Nostradamus because I said he was going to hit a game winning field goal as time expired.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Angry Bobby almost gave you props.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: Thanks a lot. Angry Bobby.
He realized what he was doing. He was like, this guy talks to me all the time.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: North Jersey never disappoints. And we will be at the Angry Bobby Open this year.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: We're gonna be there. I'm. I'll say.
[00:17:03] Speaker D: That's two calls in a row where Angry Bobby brought it up.
[00:17:06] Speaker A: Bone. I know. We're going to be there.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: You come and you commit.
[00:17:08] Speaker D: It kind of sounds fun.
[00:17:10] Speaker A: I'm going to North Jersey.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure the four of us, we probably need to rein in John Hughes as well. That'll be our foursome to play.
[00:17:19] Speaker A: That could be our foursome.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: That would be a good team.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: That'd be a good team. That'd be pretty dope.
[00:17:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
We're going to kick Timmy's ass.
[00:17:26] Speaker D: John Hughes would definitely be driving separate. He's like, I'm not being in a car.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: Did he just call him Yan?
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Is he speaking in tongues?
[00:17:32] Speaker D: I said John Yan Hughes.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Oh, did you have a stroke? That's like the third time tonight. That were like what did you just say?
[00:17:38] Speaker D: I could have. Yeah.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: John Hughes.
[00:17:41] Speaker D: I don't think that's true. Maybe there's a hard J in there.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: You might need a neural link.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
I hope we don't have one of those on the show, but, yeah, we're speaking that to. Into existence. Let's, let's see if we can get that done.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that was good. Next.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: I take.
[00:17:57] Speaker B: Well, real quick, just the, the Joe Burrow sack.
He did kind of fall, but he fell because there was pressure, right?
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Well, he fell because it was. If he wouldn't have fallen, he was about to get wrapped up by Miles Garrett. He would have swung around and slammed him on the ground.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: It wasn't quite the Brett Favre, Michael Strahan moment when Strahan said his. But it, but it was, it was also not just like a clean decapitation. It was, you know, I, I, I.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: Think it was a business decision on.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: It was a business decision. Michael Wilbon, I heard a take from him earlier today, and he kind of said, look, Tom Brady made a career out of taking sacks like that. Because if you get hit over and over again as a quarterback, especially Joe Burrow, who's made a glass right, you, you have to sometimes just duck out of those.
[00:18:41] Speaker A: And that was my wife. He was about to get wrapped up and swung around and thrown on the ground.
[00:18:44] Speaker D: I would imagine Burrow knew his left tackle was one on one with Miles.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: That was.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: And it was the very first play that Miles Garrett was one on one the entire night.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: And unlike a Browns quarterback, Joe Burrow has pocket awareness.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, yeah. We, we, we're all for rolling with Shador next year, but him, among every other quarterback ever has no pocket.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: He doesn't always feel it.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: No, no.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: He doesn't know it's coming. So sometimes he's running in there right behind him, and he's still like, I'm good.
[00:19:14] Speaker E: Right.
[00:19:14] Speaker A: I saw him one time, the one, he, the fumble. He just got smashed, and he's just like, oh, there's a guy there. I didn't know.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's smart sometimes to just talk it and know when to cut your losses.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Moving on. Next top take.
[00:19:25] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Guys, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner over the past couple of weeks. We finished off the season at Stoney's out on the, out on the street of Lincoln and enjoyed margaritas.
It was fantastic.
Guys, I'm not sure if I want Kevin fire tomorrow, but I know that's completely different. What I've been saying earlier this week, but earlier this.
Earlier this season. Stop.
Cancel.
Hang up.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: So it sounds like Cliff is going for a take two. So let this be a lesson, Cliff.
If you get it wrong, just keep going. We just keep going because we're gonna play it regardless every hot take that we get.
[00:20:23] Speaker D: So he was definitely driving, I guess, right?
[00:20:26] Speaker A: He said hang up like the answering machine was.
And before you even do your second take. So I'm sure we're gonna get another one from Cliff here. Like, you're going. You're on. Back on the Kevin Stefanski thing and you're saying you don't know if you want him fired. He is fired, but you don't know if you want him fired. What a. What a. It's weak. That's weak.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: Cliff, I love. Well, first off, nice to hear from somebody besides North Jersey.
But also, yeah, I like how he. He said, I'm not sure if I want Kevin fired. And then it was almost like he heard the collective eye roll in the room because then he went and qualified and then he got flustered and hung up. Damn it.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: That was a bad thing to say because they're gonna roast me for that.
[00:21:12] Speaker B: I was like. I was surpr.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: What's happening here?
[00:21:20] Speaker B: I was like, why are there so many calls on the house?
[00:21:23] Speaker A: Are they all Cliff?
[00:21:24] Speaker B: Holy fuck. There's so many.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: Cl.
Which one's the real one? We gotta play them all.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: Okay, I guess. Get ready for clip out in mile high a couple of times.
Here we go.
[00:21:40] Speaker C: Holy cow, guys. What an unbelievable finish of the season.
It didn't suck that we Holy. Just canceled.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Oh, man.
[00:21:58] Speaker D: I got a feeling Cliff did not intend for you guys to play all these calls.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: Oh, but we are going to beware when calling the hot take hotline.
What's the next one?
[00:22:11] Speaker C: Holy cow.
Just make it tough on us. Just make it tough on us. I'm so glad that Miles got the record.
This is Cliff at a mile high.
We had over 100 Browns fans today. $375 into our charities and margaritas on Lincoln after the game. We can't. You can't think of anything better?
Can't do anything better, guys. I know that.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: Guy. We should probably just get into them.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Keep going.
[00:22:48] Speaker A: Keep going. Cliff's got more.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: Okay, here we go.
[00:22:51] Speaker C: Not sure what Esophia's takes are, but at a Mile High today. 5280. Mile High. Browns packers raised over $375 for our charities. Over 100 Browns fans made their way to Stoney's and we Won the damn game.
I'm the last person on the face of the planet that should tell you as to who we should hire as a head coach, if we should even fire our head coach. I certainly would love to see Jim Schwartz stick around, but that means naming him the head coach. We named somebody else head coach. Jim Schwartz is no longer our defensive coordinator.
Who knows what we're gonna do, but it's time.
DeSean is our quarterback next year, guys. And as much as I hate to say it, Watson is our backup. We can't afford to ask him. We can't afford to do anything other with him other than if he was to take some kind of deal.
And I don't think he's going to take a deal because he wants his dough. And I don't blame him because we were stupid enough to give it to him. But next year, it's Shador's team, and that's how we have to start the season. That's how we go into the season, and that's how we build the season in 2026.
As I said, so much happened to Mile High Browns backers today. Hell, we finished off the day out on Lincoln Avenue. Tuck it down some margaritas to finish off the season, and then we get back into it a few weeks from now with our bowling league. And then the Cavs are coming to town, the Guardians are coming to town. The draft is happening.
With so much happening here at A Mile High, as well as our freaking softball team that's been around for over 40 years.
I had an unbelievably great season with you guys, and it has been fantastic. And I look forward to continue to work with you all over the next several years as I do my best to keep this thing going at A Mile High and eventually turn it over to somebody else. Yeah, that's gonna happen.
But we'll see what happens from there. Guys, I love you. You have been.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:25:26] Speaker C: Fantastic. It's been a weird season. A different season. Well, it hasn't been that different.
But you know what?
We're still Browns fans. We're still the best on the freaking planet.
And when over a hundred, you know, nearly 100 people show up at Tony's today to watch this team on the last game of the season.
You know.
[00:25:53] Speaker A: Cliff can just not get all of his thoughts in one take. It takes like seven.
Does anybody know how much money they raised with their charity this year? 374, 370 some dollars. Do you know what they were drinking after the game to celebrate?
[00:26:10] Speaker B: It had to be margaritas on Lincoln.
[00:26:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: Here's the thing. I don't know what we're gonna do with that. We gotta piece that together somehow. We had like six calls from clothes Cliff at a mile high. We appreciate the effort and the energy.
So he had obviously a lot of thoughts he was trying to get out there.
[00:26:28] Speaker A: Cliff, I got. I've got some.
I've got one suggestion for you.
Don't call the hot take hotline while you're driving because you might lose concentration.
[00:26:41] Speaker B: Look, mile high always does a great job. Another hundred people out at Stoney's this weekend raising great money for charity.
Agree. I would love to take Shador into the season. Next year is QB1. We'll see what happens. Obviously, Kevin's been fired. Cliff was going back and forth on that. Of all the times to waffle on getting rid of that guy, now's not the time.
He's gone out kaput. We're better off for it.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: I sang a song about it.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: Happy trails, Kevin. We'll see you later. On to bigger and better things here in the dog pound.
[00:27:13] Speaker C: But.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: But always appreciate hearing from Cliff, even if it takes him five calls to get out. What he was trying to say.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: You know, I thought that nobody could call more than the mile or more than the North Jersey Brownsbackers.
Cliff did it.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: So, Cliff, we love you.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: He got sick of hearing about North Jersey. He said, let's talk about mile high.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: Let's talk about mile high. We love you, Cliff.
Hope you have a great off season there.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: Thanks, Cliff.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: We got one more. One more phone call. All here for the hot take hotline for this week. It's not Cliff.
[00:27:43] Speaker C: Hey, guys, it's Monoc from the Browns backers of North Jersey. How you guys doing? I know we called in a little earlier, but I figured I'd call in on my own also.
First of all, before we get to like the hot takes and fun stuff, just a general question.
Now that the regular season is over, what's the deal with the hot take hotline? Do we still call?
Because even though there aren't games talk about. I'm sure I can find some. Plenty of things to make fun of Bobby about.
So if you just let us know, that would be great.
[00:28:15] Speaker E: That's number one.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Number two.
[00:28:17] Speaker C: What a great game. The. The place was electric when Miles Garrett got the. Got the sack. The place was shaking like there was an earthquake going down.
And then when Andre Schmidt kicked that field goal, to the victor goes the spoils.
It was so, like, it was so perfect. With what happened week one with Andre where he missed the kicks and then today he won the game for us with those kicks. It was amazing. We had a great crowd, great end of the year last year of great organizations that the club donated money and food to and a lot of good stuff.
[00:29:05] Speaker E: And.
[00:29:08] Speaker C: Bobby was, was, was, was a little. Got Bobby moved up on the. In the, in the Angry Bobby family power ranking. Not really that he got any higher than Kevin or Timmy, but the, the gap between Timmy and, and Kevin and Angry Bobby has gotten a little smaller. So anyway, have a great week. Can't wait to hear all the hot takes coming from others. And yeah, have a great, have a great off season. Hopefully we'll still be able to call and have some fun. All the best, guys.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: So first of all, to answer your question, keep calling, calling the hot take hotline anytime, any chance you get, because we will have several off season shows, not, you know, a few, like three or four.
[00:29:55] Speaker B: Well, I would say the first thing is we're going to record basically up through the super bowl. So feel free to give us a call right now.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Yeah, keep it going.
[00:30:01] Speaker B: You know, keep calling, making fun of Bobby every week. That's totally fine. We're good with that.
And then certainly the hot take hotline does stay open all year long. So if you'd like to call and leave your hot takes, you know, as things develop.
Coaching staff obviously is going to be assembled here over the next several weeks, so there will be things to talk about and we may not do a full show, but we may get together for maybe a video call or something if we have some hot takes that.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: That we need to discuss on air and just put out shorter segments once the official season concludes here for us. But so basically what I said, you.
[00:30:37] Speaker A: Just drew out real far. I just said, yeah, keep them coming. Keep calling the hot take.
[00:30:40] Speaker B: Yeah, if you call on a hot take hotline, we're fine with it. That, yeah.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: To.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: To the victor goes or spoils. That was William marcy, like the 1800s. The, the. Just the, the. The English teacher and Monum coming out so power Ra.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: So proud of you saying he was.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: A teacher power ranking. The Angry Bobby family. It continues. I guess I, I do think we need to, to have a quorum. Oh, I'm gonna call before the season's over.
[00:31:09] Speaker A: I'm gonna, I'm gonna get a message to him and see if we can bring him on the show next week to really hash because we got to.
[00:31:13] Speaker B: Figure out what was going on with the hostage situation and call 1.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Listen. Anybody that's followed our podcast as long as probably like, what the hell are we doing here? Why do we keep trying? Is this days of North Jersey, like, what is happening?
But we're going to. We're going to get to the bottom of this.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Keeping up with the Browns backers of North Jersey.
[00:31:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:31] Speaker B: We didn't get a sober call from angry Bobby this week. We didn't get a sober, collected thoughts call.
[00:31:36] Speaker A: Still drunk.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Still. Still drunk.
He's just been on a bender since. Since the Bengals victory.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: What are you doing? Celebrating.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: I would say firing Kevin Stefanski is cause for celebrations.
If you are drunk right now, Bobby, I'm drunk. We absolutely condone that.
[00:31:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
Is that it?
[00:31:57] Speaker B: That's all I got.
[00:31:57] Speaker A: All right. So anybody else you want to call the hot take hotline? Go ahead and do that. Yeah, we want hot takes.
[00:32:03] Speaker B: Call this line and give us the Hot Takes. 3302-2780-8113-0227 8081-3302-2780-8133-0227 8081-3027.
[00:32:12] Speaker A: 8081.
[00:32:14] Speaker B: Call us now.
[00:32:15] Speaker A: Now that our 45 minute segment of hot take hotline is over, call us now.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: We'll kick you in the jimmies.
[00:32:20] Speaker A: Right in the jimmies. Let's go ahead and head into the Burning sportscast dog of the week.
[00:32:24] Speaker E: You gotta play tough people in the National Football League.
[00:32:27] Speaker B: You gotta be ready and we gotta.
[00:32:29] Speaker E: Be the dogs that we are every time we step on there on Sunday.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: And be ready to attack and don't stop until we're in that locker room.
[00:32:41] Speaker D: Nice slurp.
[00:32:43] Speaker A: Nice slurp.
All right. We leave it up to our listeners and followers to determine the Burning sportscast dog of the week each week on our live shows. On Sunday, we nominate a dog of the week candidate. Each of us does.
From there, we turn it over to all of you on our socials to vote and make the final decision. This week's nominees. Kenny.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: Who else? Miles Garrett.
[00:33:03] Speaker A: Bone.
[00:33:04] Speaker D: Oh, Miles Garrett.
[00:33:05] Speaker A: And I also nominated Miles Garrett. So this after the fan vote that was conducted on our socials today, and yes, we did have you vote again on who was the dog of the week between Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett.
[00:33:15] Speaker B: To be fair, I didn't leave time for anyone to nominate anyone else because Red Hot Ronnie Jams apparently left our live show on Sunday night when we were nominating dog of the week candidates and it was just me. So I said collectively as a unit, it's Miles Garrett across all three.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: And so this Week's Burning river sportscast dog of the week is.
[00:33:38] Speaker B: Miles Garrett.
[00:33:40] Speaker A: Oh, click it again. Only one of them came through.
[00:33:42] Speaker D: Oh, there we go.
[00:33:43] Speaker A: There it is.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: Look at that.
[00:33:44] Speaker D: There's a double clicker.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Double clicker.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Miles Garrett.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: The old two. Click.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
Miles Garrett. One tackle, one solo tackle, one tackle for loss, two QB hits and one sack. And the all time single season sack record now belongs to Miles Garrett.
[00:34:01] Speaker B: Bank to trace.
[00:34:03] Speaker A: So 23. That's the number.
Pretty impressive season, especially given the fact that the Browns suck. The defense carried the team all year. Nobody had to even throw the ball against us most of the season.
Like, it was pretty awesome.
[00:34:16] Speaker B: If the defense just would have scored two touchdowns every game, we would have won a lot more.
[00:34:19] Speaker D: Yeah. Why didn't they do that all year?
[00:34:21] Speaker B: Why didn't they show up?
[00:34:22] Speaker A: You know, I blame Miles.
No, seriously, Miles Garrett. Just phenomenal season. John Tinchy, Suck it.
[00:34:32] Speaker B: That troll. Yeah.
But yeah, great season.
I think it was maybe slightly disappointing because he was on such a tear early in the season. We thought that number would be much bigger.
But still, I mean, let's be honest.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: The last like five weeks of the season, everybody just. The whole thing was, don't let Miles Gary get the sack record again.
[00:34:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, once he got close, teams put a lot of effort into trying to block Miles, which it just seems.
[00:34:59] Speaker A: Like a wild thing that you just abandon your game plan. You said, let's not be the team that lets him get it.
[00:35:04] Speaker B: It true. Literally the last two teams that tried to stop Miles from getting the sack record lost. So it's probably not a good game plan.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: Yeah. To the Browns, he's.
[00:35:11] Speaker B: He's inevitable. You should just let it happen and play your game.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: You try to slow him down, you don't try to stop him.
[00:35:17] Speaker B: And I hope Miles learned his lesson that next year when he tries to repeat, he's just going to have to do it in like 10 or 12 games. Because once you get towards the end of the season, teams are like, we're going to pull out all the stops to make sure you don't get any records.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: Leave no doubt.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: I've just never seen. I mean, there's. There's records broken every year in the NFL, right? Touchdown records for passes, passing yards, receiving yard. Like, I've never seen a team game plan solely against trying to stop a record. And I know the Bengals kind of this week said it wasn't all that important to them. Joe Burrow was like, I'm going to play my game and it is what it Is. But.
But they tried really hard to keep him out of there.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah. The fact that his first.
The first time he was singled up on a. On an offensive lineman was with three minutes left in the game tells you how hard they tried. Yeah. And the first time it happened was when he got a sack, so.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: And. And he was close a couple other times. I mean, he had fought through a couple blocks on. On a few. And. And had Joe Burrow kind of running for his life, which was fun.
And it was kind of getting. Kind of getting tight butthole there towards the end.
Is he gonna get it? Is he gonna get it? And then obviously he's. Miles scared. He always comes through.
[00:36:18] Speaker A: I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I almost text you and be like, I don't know if he's gonna do it. And literally, as I was typing it out is when he got a sack, and I was like, I did it. Yeah. I don't have to send this.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: No doubt. No doubt. Never a doubt.
[00:36:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So Miles Garrett, the Burning river sportscast.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Dog, the final dog of the week.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: Final dog of the week. Browns don't play anymore because we ain't in the playoffs.
[00:36:38] Speaker B: Is he just the. Is he the dog of the season?
I mean, in a season, if that's.
[00:36:42] Speaker A: A thing, we can.
[00:36:43] Speaker B: Season that wasn't very good, and there wasn't a lot to write home about. You had this one bright spot every week, something to look forward to, and it was how many sacks Miles Garrett's going to get. Is he going to bring break the record? In a season that we had nothing really to watch outside of the demise of Kevin Stefanski and a little bit of quarterback controversy, Miles was the one fun thing to watch all season long.
[00:37:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: For sure.
[00:37:06] Speaker D: So he's. He's defensive mvp, right?
[00:37:09] Speaker E: Oh, yeah.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: He's got it. He broke the sack.
[00:37:11] Speaker B: Probably unanimous, I would imagine.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I would. I would imagine so.
Yeah.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: And.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: And I. I will say this. You actually gave me an idea with probably not this year because we didn't really think this out, and I'm just talking through it right now on the. On the show, but good planning. Yeah. You're wel. Keep it coming.
I think next year we should do a. And. And the Browns suck this year, so there's no point in doing this. So. But next year we should do like, an end of the season, like, awards thing. Like we give the Browns players. You know what I'm saying?
[00:37:38] Speaker B: And we get to do, like, roast awards and good awards.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: Like most likely to miss a field Goal at the beginning of the season.
[00:37:44] Speaker A: Yeah, we can. We can make up some fun ones, but like, yeah, like, you know, just. Just give props to MVPs of the different units on the team or whatever the case may be.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: Most likely to warm up in sub zero temperatures with no shirt on.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: Ye. Things like that. Yeah, yeah. Superlatives.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: I like the superlatives. The Burning river sportscast. Sportscast superlatives.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: The sportscast superlatives.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: We should get plaques made and then mail them to the players.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: They won't accept them.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: I would accept that. It'd be like, what did they give away on the office? The Dundees.
The Dundees. This burning river sports gas version of the Dundees.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: One time my job gave me the feats of strength Dundee because we did dundees at work one time and it was because I carried all the heavy things anytime we had to do anything.
[00:38:25] Speaker B: That's true. I do make you carry all the heavy things. Here.
[00:38:27] Speaker A: I carried an entire. An entire Christmas tree in for you one year, you and your dad, you said, all right, it's time to take the Christmas tree. And I was like, I got it and I just took it up the stairs.
[00:38:36] Speaker B: One armed it.
[00:38:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. You are good. You're a good laborer.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: I have a lot good at much.
[00:38:42] Speaker B: Else, but you're good at that.
[00:38:43] Speaker A: I've got a lot of functional strength.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: You know.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
Less now than you used to, but.
[00:38:48] Speaker A: Not sure how we got.
[00:38:49] Speaker B: You used to really be strong.
[00:38:51] Speaker A: Yeah. But anyways, with that, let's go ahead and get into the Browns brief.
All right, so the Browns brief this week. I mean, it's. The story is Kevin Stefanski. Right? Kevin Stefanski has been.
[00:39:11] Speaker B: Who's Kevin Stefanski?
[00:39:13] Speaker A: Not the coach of the head Browns. He has. He has been fired by the coach.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: Of the head Browns.
[00:39:18] Speaker A: Is that what I said?
Not the head coach of the Cleveland Browns.
I'm having a stroke now.
[00:39:24] Speaker B: Neuralink.
[00:39:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I need it.
But yeah, the Browns obviously fired Kevin Stefanski.
I was gonna ask you guys thoughts, but I kind of already know our thoughts. We've been talking about it for weeks and weeks. I want to point out one tweet before we get into everybody else's.
And it was Carly Teller. And the reason I want to point this out is because one we like, Wyatt Teller, says it's Christmas cards. I still. I still have the other one at home that I need to put up for this year.
[00:39:47] Speaker B: He wrestles alligators.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: Wrestles alligators.
Just a dude.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: When I think also before you even get into that this was important because there were some players that did give Kevin a vote of confidence after some days win against Cincinnati.
[00:40:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: So the prevailing wisdom, even.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: Even Shador Sanders.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: Yeah, the prevailing wisdom, and there were a lot of tweets about this was like, oh, you can't fire Stefanski now because he has the locker room and all these guys want him to stay.
[00:40:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And so I. I guess all that to say that not everybody wanted them to stay.
You know, the. The Teller had this whole thing where he was rotating. He was hurt. He wasn't hurt. He says he wasn't hurt. Kevin says he was hurt. They put him on IR and he was. Even when he was in there the last few games, he's been rotating with a nobody to see what they were going to do moving forward. I don't really know why.
And so Carly Teller, about two minutes after he got fired, after it was.
[00:40:41] Speaker B: Announced, she had it loaded on deck.
[00:40:42] Speaker A: Yeah. She. She tweeted out, you play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.
So that was kind of the collective thought of us too. I think that's why I wanted to put that this one first is because, like we've been saying forever, like, what is Kevin Stefanski even doing half the time?
[00:40:57] Speaker B: Excellent tweet, excellent timing.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: Just perfect execution by Carly Teller.
[00:41:02] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:41:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And definitely had it loaded up for the past few weeks. Because I know it's been well documented how her, Wyatt Teller's mom, like everybody except for Wyatt Teller in his family has come out and been like, this is absolutely ridiculous. The only thing Wyatt Teller said was, like, I feel okay when they put them on ir.
[00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I just think this goes. It just speaks to, like, what we always talk about, which is when you interview these guys in season and things are going on and everybody's in the building.
[00:41:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: You're not going to get candid, truthful responses on many things, especially those that are remotely controversial.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:40] Speaker B: So you can't say after the game, hey, do you want Kevin to stay or go? Like, of course Kevin's still your coach, and you don't know tomorrow whether or not he's going be fired or not. So if I get on the podium after the game and say, God, that guy sucks, I can't wait for him to be gone and then he doesn't get fired, you're probably fired too. So you have to at least kind of play the game, which most of these guys did.
But this was kind of the one nugget of, hey, there's probably a lot of this feeling in the locker room. Wyatt wasn't the only guy that. That has had, you know, run ins and struggles with Kevin Stefanski over time. Whether it was in Joku, whether it's been Shador this year, certainly, you know, Baker had his things in the past. So there's. There's a number of guys that have had this, and you have to just think, like, I mean, how you.
[00:42:28] Speaker A: You off air. You told the story of David Joku when Kevin Stefanski first came in.
[00:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah. This was an interesting story that came out this week. Was that going back to when Njoku requested the trade back in 2020, it was basically Kevin.
I don't know why he even told the story or admitted it. It made him look bad. But it was that he had a conversation with In Joku, and in Joku, from that conversation surmised that Kevin hated him.
Which just, again, speaks to the overwhelming mountain of evidence that Kevin is a bad football coach.
[00:43:00] Speaker A: Because, well, he's got.
[00:43:01] Speaker B: While he may be bad.
[00:43:03] Speaker A: What's the word I'm looking for?
[00:43:04] Speaker B: Bedside Manor? Just communications?
[00:43:07] Speaker A: No.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: Tactics? No. Tact. Yeah.
[00:43:09] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:43:09] Speaker B: The. Kevin may very well be a gifted play caller, gifted offensive mind.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: He's not.
[00:43:14] Speaker B: But he's terrible at everything else that goes along with being a head coach, which is being a leader of men, being an administrator, being the executive of your organization, and the politicking that goes around that. And you should say, oh, there shouldn't be politics in football. Well, it's a business like anything else. And there is. And he was awful at those things. Including one of those things that's a skill that is important for a head coach, Very important, which is communicating with.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: Your players and connecting with your players.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: And connecting with your players.
[00:43:40] Speaker E: And if.
[00:43:40] Speaker B: And if you have a conversation with a player, single conversation, and their immediate reaction is to request a trade, you failed in your job as a head coach in that moment, because whatever you were trying to convey didn't come out the way you wanted it to.
[00:43:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:55] Speaker D: Did anybody see the video of all the Ravens? Where was it? Was all the Ravens players watching the Browns game against the Steelers last week at John Harbaugh's house? Cause I think they played like Saturday night never happened. With Stefan, with her, with his players. I just thought that was kind of cool to just insert that. It just seemed it was filled with his players in his basement or man den or whatever it was. But it was a quick little video that they showed of him running into the scene when the Browns won the game. And everybody's just Cheering together. And I don't know, I was like, I wonder if that's ever happened with Stefanski and his players. And those are the outside of the, you know, the facility.
[00:44:27] Speaker A: The answer is no.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: That's the type of like chemistry though that like good football teams have the camaraderie like the guys that play for each other. Right. Like if you can get together and have those moments. And to your point, like, I don't think Stefanski is having sleepovers at his house. I'm sure Harbaugh was.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: I don't think anyone show up handing.
[00:44:44] Speaker B: Out warm milk for all the boys. But those Harbaugh boys like that.
[00:44:48] Speaker E: But.
[00:44:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think there's just dichotomous views. Right. And you can say what you want about Harbaugh this year and I know he's catching a lot of heat because they missed the playoffs but still won eight or nine games or whatever they won this year and far better than where the Browns ended up.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: So I want to just point that out, actually.
The fact I know they, they, they faced a lot of adversity this year, but the Baltimore Ravens finished 8, 9 this year.
I just want to point that out because Mike Tomlin has never finished under.500. So like, I know all our Steelers fans out there think that, you know, Mike Tomlin needs to go. They always lose in the first round, whatever, whatever. They like to point all this stuff out like that. That's an unbelievable feat.
The Ravens are, I will say this, I know they just lost to them this weekend and we'll get into that. But the Ravens are better than the.
[00:45:39] Speaker B: 100% talent standpoint for sure.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: They ended the season 8, 9 and the Steelers won the division. Like that should tell you how good Mike Tomlin is.
[00:45:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, look tangent here, but no, it's fair. I mean, Baltimore had issue, Lamar was hurt for a few weeks. They played Cooper Rush, it didn't go well.
So they lost some games that maybe they otherwise wouldn't have. That defense has struggled. But to your point, and people, people have been all over Harbaugh and Tomlin this year, especially guys that are just like sick of, I don't know, know, consistently winning.
But, but Tomlin, terrible is incredible because he did it again this year with a 42 year old Aaron Rodgers and won 10 games.
[00:46:18] Speaker A: A 42 year old Aaron Rodgers, that was not very good.
[00:46:21] Speaker B: Not very good. I mean he had a decent season. He threw for 3,500 yards, 23 or 24 touchdowns and eight or nine picks. But those are very mediocre numbers when it comes to a starting quarterback in the NFL. This in 2025.
[00:46:33] Speaker A: Great numbers for a Brown starter.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: Perfect for a Brown starter. Maybe Aaron Rankin. Come, come play here next year.
We'll see. But anyways, I. I don't know why we got into a love fest on Harbaugh and Tomlin here when we should be talking about how bad Kevin Sabinsky.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: Sucks because how much he deserved that. We had to point out the fact that everything, every team around us has good coaches except for us.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: Well, we've just.
[00:46:57] Speaker A: And we're sick of it.
[00:46:58] Speaker B: We've just.
Whatever it is about Brown's culture has normalized inadequacy.
[00:47:05] Speaker A: Well, and I guess this, the reason we're getting into this too is because there are a lot of people that still defense Stefanski. And I think exactly what we just talked about is why you can't defend him. That is what stability looks like. That's what real stability looks like. As those teams, when you go 8 and 9, it's a complete failure.
[00:47:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: When we go 8 and 9, we're like, holy. We were almost 500 even under Stefanski. We only had two winning seasons.
[00:47:30] Speaker B: Almost 500. Well, and the other difference is Stefanski had those 11 win seasons, but then they were followed up by, you know, 8 and 26. So, yeah, you know, those guys sustain winning for over a decade now. Both of these guys. So just totally different.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: Granted, you get to play the Browns twice every year, but, you know, there's that and Cincinnati for that matter.
[00:47:54] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:47:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. Moving on with Kevin Stefanski's him being fired and all that. Nick news. Jimmy Haslam in his press conference on Monday was asked about the relationship between Stefanski and Barry. He said that they worked very well together.
And then he went proceeded to say that he takes exception to anybody saying that there is dysfunction in the building, in the organization, because there absolutely was not.
Yes, there is.
There was dysfunction. And if that's the case, then why is Andrew Barry still here?
[00:48:27] Speaker E: Here?
[00:48:29] Speaker B: I can walk around telling people that I'm 7 foot 2.
No one's going to believe me the moment they see me. No, that was how I felt.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: You're as tall as Dylan Gabriel.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: That was how I felt in that moment when Jimmy stood on that stage and said, dysfunction. There's none of that here.
[00:48:45] Speaker A: I take exception.
[00:48:46] Speaker B: He did qualify it and say there may be some tension in the building.
He was like, it's grown men's tough. There's a lot of things going on it's football.
But I think that's the understatement there. The. The tension was dysfunction and. And Jimmy, we can all see it. Yeah, we see it.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: It played out on all of our.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: Screens every week in the Kevin Stefanski press conferences after the game where he wasn't focused on this because he was focused on that. And we're not going to talk about that because I got to watch the tape and I have no idea what happened because I wasn't watching the game. Even though I gave up play calling and I had nothing else to do besides watch the game, I still have.
[00:49:21] Speaker A: No idea what happened.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: And, you know, I think this drives home a bigger problem in this whole scenario, which is that Stefanski is now jobless, which I'm fine with and I wanted to have happen, but that somehow Andrew Barry is still employed. Because if that is your claim that these guys were lockstep in every discussion.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: I think that is an actual quote from him. They were lockstep.
[00:49:45] Speaker B: Yeah. That these guys work very well together. Their offices are next to each other, and they work very well together.
If these guys were lockstep in every decision that was critical to the success of this franchise, how does Andrew Barry still have a job after the same record as Kevin Stefanski, after the desean Watson debacle and one of the worst deals maybe in NFL history? Maybe the worst deal in NFL history. And after multiple drafts where you acquired no talent that has driven you to what you had over the last two seasons, Jimmy basically staked Andrew Barry's future on.
We got a kicker that was good, right? We got a kicker. Guys.
[00:50:27] Speaker D: Kicker, guys.
[00:50:28] Speaker B: And Malik Collins, who, like, okay, Malik was good this year. I don't think anybody here is saying, like, Malik Collins was bad.
And what was the other. The Tyson Campbell move.
[00:50:42] Speaker A: He doesn't even point out the rookies in the draft.
[00:50:44] Speaker B: Well, he said there was a good draft class this year as well, but I think when you have five bad draft classes or four bad draft classes and one good one, those kind of cancel each other out.
So the rest of the claim for what he's still doing in the building is those three guys.
I've never seen a GM save his job by finding a kicker.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: Now you have.
[00:51:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess now only in Cleveland. Only in Cleveland.
So, yeah, I just think that if you were going to fire Stefanski, these guys should have been a package deal. You fire both and move on and go on to bigger and better things.
[00:51:19] Speaker A: But, I mean, I would agree with that.
[00:51:21] Speaker B: But Andrew Barry is just as Culpable in this whole thing as Kevin Stefanski has been. Kevin's the one that obviously was the fall guy and was the guy that you see in press conferences every week because Andrew Barry hid this year during the bi week and didn't talk to the media.
Which might I say, if you are Andrew Barry, this was brilliantly played.
[00:51:42] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:51:42] Speaker B: From drafting Shador as the foil to Dylan Gabriel and just having, you know, whatever side conversations with Jimmy that apparently have put him above Kevin. Because remember, both of these guys report to Jimmy or reported in Kevin's case reported to Jimmy. Kevin did not report to Andrew Barry.
[00:52:02] Speaker A: Right.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: So both of these guys reported into Jimmy bar, but Andrew Barry did the politicking. Andrew Barry sold himself to Jimmy.
[00:52:10] Speaker A: Absolute masterclass on keeping your job as a GM in the NFL.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: Yes, Absolute skill in execution there in convincing Jimmy that Stefanski was the problem and somehow you're blameless in this scenario. Yeah, I'll get on stage and take the arrows for you, Jimmy. I'll tell him this was all my fault, but you and I know it was all that guy. He's the one that blows here, not me.
The final thing too, and we talked about this rift that's been developing between Kevin and Andrew, which was clearly shown when Kevin had no idea we were trading Joe Flacco in the middle of the week.
Which was not only did that was.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: The first time that it was just openly like these guys don't agree with each other.
[00:52:53] Speaker B: Not only did he foil Dylan Gabriel with Shador Sanders and have that in his back pocket as hey, I drafted another guy. Kevin refused to play him, he also did draft two very capable running backs this year, which again, thinking long term, big picture, big brain. Andrew Barry playing 40 chess here was, was a brilliant maneuver because we spent a lot of draft capital early on defense and Mason, Graham, Carson, great, good players, guys looking like they're going to pan out. But when you draft those two running backs, the the narrative all year long has been there's no talent on this offense. The offensive line is poor, the receiver room is poor.
Andrew could at least step back and say, I gave that guy two of the best running backs in the draft. What did he do with them? What did he do with them? You play games at the quarterback. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. I gave this guy two top end talents at running back, knowing, look, you can only change so much in one off season. You can't change the entire offense. I gave this guy two of the best running backs in football. What did we do with them.
[00:53:53] Speaker A: And another move in Andrew, another feather in his cap this year, is when he traded Joe Flacco to a division rival.
And Joe Flacco, even though he didn't win any games, which was brilliant for us, went out and threw for like 300 yards a game. And there he's like, see, look, he's great down there. I don't know what this guy's doing.
[00:54:11] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:54:12] Speaker A: I mean, just like, every step of the way, he was. He. It's like he. It's like he was four steps ahead of Kevin Stefanski at all times.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: 100%. Yeah. And I don't know that Kevin's brain just. I don't think it moves that fast.
[00:54:23] Speaker E: No, it's just.
[00:54:24] Speaker B: Just. Just ask him a question in a press conference and watch the wheels turn.
[00:54:27] Speaker A: Well, he needed to watch the tape.
[00:54:30] Speaker B: That's the.
Barry watched what was going on in the field. Kevin had to go back and watch the tape. So he was always a step ahead of Kevin.
[00:54:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And speaking of Andrew Barry and what he has to say about all this, in his press conference, he talked about how hard it was to come to this decision.
He says he and Kevin are very close. He says Kevin plays with his kids and gives them piggyback rides. He asked his daughter, which. This was very interesting. He said he asked his daughter how she would feel about Kevin not coaching the Browns soon. And she responded by asking if he'd still be able to come by and play with. With them, which is all kind of touching and like, yeah, they were friends. Whatever. This is a hard thing to do. It's a business. Whatever.
Two things. One, it. How did you feel when you were stabbing your friend in the back, making sure you were the guy that stays.
[00:55:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
And two, just businessman two.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: You pointed to this before the show is you said, if that was the case and he had asked his daughter this question, then it had to have been brewing for probably a few weeks before it actually happened.
[00:55:28] Speaker B: My guess is he didn't ask his daughter this on drive home from Cincinnati last night.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: Right.
[00:55:34] Speaker B: That's not what he said. Because if that's what happened, he would have said, last night, I asked my daughter.
She would feel if Kevin weren't the coach of the Browns anymore. He said, some time ago, I asked my daughter how she would feel if Kevin wasn't coaching the Browns. So I guess if you want the scoop, you need to interview Andrew. Barry's kids don't interview children.
[00:55:53] Speaker A: But when did he ask you this question? Yeah.
[00:55:56] Speaker B: Right.
[00:55:58] Speaker A: Yeah. So, I mean, just all but yeah.
[00:56:01] Speaker B: Clearly to your point. Clearly. Then a decision that's been brewing for several weeks and might I say it probably has been brewing all year. I think, look, both of these guys saw the writing on the wall, right? They knew that this team probably wasn't going to win. Was it going to be uber competitive this year? I think they all in the room thought they were going to win more games than they did.
Maybe they surprised themselves by winning two games at the end of the year. Or maybe they. That was Kevin Savansky's parting gift to the Browns. Hey, enjoy losing a couple spots in the draft, suckers. I'm out of here.
But. But I think Andrew Berry has clearly been playing the long game here and he knew it was him or me, and he put these chess pieces on the board and played them out magnificently for himself to get to this point this year.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: Now, I will say there's something to be said for. And I think this is absolutely the case is. As the season progressed and we got to the end of the season, I think Kevin Stefanski also wanted out. He was like, I'm done with this.
His demeanor kind of changed the last few games of the season more to. Even though he stayed very professional. Like the tone he used with some of the reporters and things like that. It was just like, I'm done with this. I don't care. Agreed.
[00:57:09] Speaker B: I think that's why we started seeing the leaks of if Kevin's not here next year, he'll be a top head coaching candidate going forward to a lot of teams. And this has been floated specifically around the gym Giants for several weeks now.
[00:57:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:23] Speaker B: So I, I tend to agree with you. And, and frankly, if I'm Kevin Stefanski.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: You'Re probably having those conversations outside of this. Your, your, your people are probably talking to their people and like, what's going on over here.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: At the end of the day, he, he. I'm sure he is a decent guy. Right. I, I don't think Kevin Stefanski is the devil. I just think he's not a very good football coach.
[00:57:40] Speaker A: He's the devil.
[00:57:41] Speaker B: I just think he's not a very good football coach. But at some point, the human element of you in this whole thing has to. To wear thin going, yeah, gosh, why is everything a game here? You're probably watching. He was probably watching Andrew Barry making these moves going from the drum draft night, right? Hey, I want Dylan Gabriel. Okay, great. Got you your guy. Two rounds later. Hey, now I got my guy. Like, at some point there's a straw There, that breaks, and you go, do I even want to do this anymore? Especially when you're at that level and if you've. You're Kevin Stefanski, you've been making what, seven to nine million dollars a year for the last six. Six years.
What am I doing here? Like, this is just gonna.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: And you're fairly confident you can go and do it somewhere else.
[00:58:23] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:58:23] Speaker B: And look, you're a handsome young guy. You got a great young family. Like, do I really want to be in Cleveland any longer? Like, there's probably other places we could go and life would be much easier and happier and simpler.
[00:58:34] Speaker A: Yeah, agreed. And. And so, just further along the lines of these leaks that are coming out. Right.
Practically within, like, three months minutes of him being fired.
[00:58:43] Speaker B: I was gonna say even faster than that. It was about 2 seconds.
[00:58:46] Speaker A: Pete Prisco on. Of CBS was talking during a segment about him being fired about Black Monday in general.
And he said, from what I've been told, he was totally against the Watson move.
[00:59:00] Speaker B: Stefanski.
[00:59:00] Speaker A: Stefanski was. Stefanski was totally against the Watson move. A couple things here.
Brilliant league by Stefanski to make sure his name stays as clean.
[00:59:10] Speaker B: How do you separate yourself from the Sean Watson? Well, here's at least an att.
[00:59:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And while I don't buy it at all, and I'll tell you why, the main reason I don't buy it is because when do you guys remember when Deshaun Watson came to Cleveland? You know, the tides turned and the 11th hour.
Somehow we offered him a $230 million guaranteed contract, and all of a sudden he was all for the Cleveland Browns. Well, part of the narrative was that Kevin Stefanski flew down to see him and talk to him and talk to.
[00:59:41] Speaker B: Him about his office sold him on the offense. Yeah.
[00:59:43] Speaker A: He said, this is the offense we're going to be running, and this is. Will be perfect for it.
So I don't buy this whole. He was against it and. And he didn't want it to happen because that was part of the narrative originally. Even if that's not true.
Even if that's not true, I will say at the very least what this all tells me, the fact that Kevin Stefanski is fired today. Andrew Barry is not. This leak comes out that he was against it. Like, you may have been against it, but you. You didn't have the balls. Ballist. Kevin didn't have the balls to stand up and say, I don't want this to happen. He was a yes man. And he sat there and took it. And probably at the end of the day. Just agreed with him. And, yeah, we can make this work.
[01:00:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:26] Speaker A: Because if you didn't. If you actually stood there and pounded the desk and said, I do not want this guy, we're good with Baker. We can build off of this. We can keep going. We can get stronger. If you actually said that, you're not the guy getting fired today. Yeah, there's no way.
[01:00:42] Speaker B: When I saw this leak, I had a. An instant guttural reaction, which was, do you remember in Dumb and Dumber when Lloyd gets stood up by Mary, and they're in the presidential suite at the hotel in Aspen, and Harry is beside himself, and he says, you know, that pisses me. That pisses me right off. She told me she wanted to see you again. Oh. Oh, that pisses me off. That pisses me right off.
That was my instantaneous reaction to seeing this in real time, which is. That pisses me, like, why is this the first time that we've heard this?
Why is this the first time that we've heard this?
[01:01:26] Speaker A: Probably because it didn't happen.
[01:01:27] Speaker B: Because it didn't. Because it didn't happen. That's why this. This pisses me right off.
It didn't. There's zero chance in hell that that is true. I don't know how much, you know, money was slid into an unmarked envelope to Pete Prisco this morning to leak that out on cbs, but it just didn't happen. It's farce. It's a lie, and it's just. It's not reality. As a head coach of a football team in the NFL, you have accrued a certain amount of power, respect, influence.
If you were against a move like that, a fundamental transition from a team that was in the AFC divisional playoffs two years ago before your quarterback got hurt, why would you not stand up and say no?
[01:02:18] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:02:19] Speaker B: And this move is notoriously bad.
[01:02:23] Speaker A: How have you not. Widely known as the worst trade in NFL history. History.
[01:02:27] Speaker B: People leak stuff from their camps all the time to save face. Why was there not an inkling of this at any point in time? That just. Even if he just would have said Kevin was unsure of the move, Kevin wasn't necessarily all the way on board, but it seemed like that was where the team wanted to go. Kevin didn't have to come out to the media and say that the proper.
[01:02:47] Speaker A: Time for that was probably as soon as it started going south.
[01:02:50] Speaker B: You can make that happen. But at the. But at the end of the day, it happened. Happened. Right. And if Kevin really didn't want it to happen, he could have stopped it. He could. They could have went in another direction. They didn't have to guarantee $230 million to a guy with 22 sexual assault cases pending. Like that didn't have to happen. You could have stopped it at any time and he didn't. So to leak this now is a very clear. We're trying to save face, trying to separate ourselves from the organization. I'm curious to see how much other mud is slung.
Slang. Slang.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: Dyna.
[01:03:25] Speaker B: I don't know what the proper vernacular is there, but Kevin for the most part is very tight lipped and very professional. And so if he gets hired quickly, maybe this all goes away. But I think the longer this drags out, if Kevin is not hired very quickly, we're going to see more of these types of stories because it's just asinine and he has to find some way to separate himself from what is the worst man move in NFL history.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: I think the word you were looking for is schlong.
[01:03:55] Speaker B: Schlonged.
[01:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:56] Speaker B: Kevin got schlonged. Got schlonged today by Jimmy.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I totally agree with that. It's just, it's just crazy. So not, you know, Pete Prisco, Dan Orlofsky and a number of other commentators came out and, and, and what the.
[01:04:12] Speaker B: The final thing I'll say about this is, is if that's true, if Stefanski was pounding the table saying, I don't want desean Watson, how can you fire that guy? You can't make him the fall guy.
[01:04:23] Speaker A: You can't do it.
[01:04:24] Speaker B: If that was a Jimmy Haslam decision, if that was an Andrew Barry decision, Andrew Barry is the one getting filmed walking out of Berea today, not Kevin Stefanski. Because if I'm Kevin Stefanski, I walk right into Jimmy Haslam's office this morning and I say, you truly haven't given me a fair shot. You have stacked this deck against me for years. I never wanted the Sean Watson. You gave him that money. You and Andrew gave him that money. And that is a fight that you can take to the media and say, I got fired because of the Deshaun Watson contract that those two wanted. You can make their life hell. That's how I know it didn't happen.
[01:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And, and what I was saying was Pete Prisco as well go.
Or, or that as well as Dan Orlofsky and a number of, of other commentators today kind of came out in defense of Stefanski and said he is the top candidate. He's going to have a job in no time, everybody's going to want to hire him.
He's instantly. I saw. I forget which commentator it was, but he came out and he said, he said, not only are teams that have coaching vacancies going to want to hire Kevin Stefanski, but teams that don't have coaching vacancies are going to want to talk to their guys and say, I don't know if you're the right guy.
And so, you know, there was that whole faction of people that were saying these things. But then on the other end of it, you had Rex Ryan, you had Stephen A. Smith, you had a number of other guys come out and say, what is this guy done that makes him so.
You know that everybody wants him. Like, what has he actually done? He's got a. He's got a losing record. Not, not even like close.
[01:06:01] Speaker E: Like He's.
[01:06:01] Speaker A: He's like 12 games, 13 games, whatever it is, under.500.
He's at 14 different quarterbacks since 2021 that he hasn't done a single thing with, not any of them.
And they went on to name basically every terrible thing that he's done with the Browns. And there's a lot of them. I'm not going to. We've. We've hashed that out multiple times on our show. I'm not getting into that.
[01:06:21] Speaker B: It's taking us three years.
[01:06:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
And they said, hold on a second. Like, how is this guy, the guy in the NFL right now? And that's where I tend to fall with it, as. I just don't understand. And I. Not that Stevens, he's probably a fine guy like you said, but it's like, how is that the top candidate out there? I just don't understand it.
[01:06:42] Speaker B: It's. It's you right there.
[01:06:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm good.
[01:06:45] Speaker B: It's absolutely mind boggling to me that they believe there is demand out here for Kevin Stefanski. What I do think there is is curiosity. I think there's curiosity because everybody knows Cleveland is a dumpster fire. We know there's dysfunction there. Going back to Jimmy.
[01:07:02] Speaker A: I take exception to that.
[01:07:03] Speaker B: Going back to Jimmy'.
Everybody knows there's dysfunction there. So when you see a guy that had a modicum of success. Here you go.
[01:07:11] Speaker A: Eh.
[01:07:12] Speaker B: You know, he probably was dealt a bad hand in a few cases. This team doesn't have a lot of talent on offense and he still got them to win some games. So I think there is a venerable curiosity to what is Stefanski. Here's what I also believe. Every NFL team that hires a head Coach does their due diligence. They take time to go through and make sure they have the right guy because they're going to pay him millions of dollars for the. The next three to six years and they want to make sure he's right. When teams go back and watch the tape, I'm Kevin Stefanski, the guy, you watch him manage games and then you start to pair that with some of the personnel decisions that have been made a la juggling Wyatt Teller back and forth. When you have a rookie quarterback that's trying to get his feet under him, you know, there's. There's just been so many questionable things. I have to believe that any team that, that does proper due diligence on Kevin Stefanski is going to go, curiosity settled. I don't think he's the guy.
[01:08:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I would agree with that.
But with that being said, he. Apparently it's reported that he has three other head coaching job interviews already with Atlanta, New York and Tennessee. And so the reason I throw this out there is because for all you people that say he's going to go somewhere else and win a Super bowl, ain't going to be with them teams.
[01:08:32] Speaker B: I don't even care if it is, because the reality of it is that Kevin wasn't going to win a Super bowl here. No, there was, there was, there was too much dysfunction between him, between Andrew Berry with Jimmy Haslam and this team. I mean, every time Kevin talks to a player, he thinks they hate him.
In Joku first, Shador came out. We talked about this on a live show. Shedeur came out this week and said Kevin and I had heart to heart this week and talked about hash things out. I think we're finally on the same page. I think we finally understand each other and we can 18.
In week 18, the head coach finally had a conversation with his starting quarterback, a kid that started for almost half the season. He waited until the final week of the season to go, you know what? I don't really hate you.
[01:09:16] Speaker A: You know, I don't have a problem with you. Right.
[01:09:19] Speaker B: What the fuck?
[01:09:22] Speaker A: This is the guy that so many people want as a head killer.
[01:09:27] Speaker B: So, I mean, yeah, good riddance. I mean, hopefully you go end up. And my hope for Kevin Stefanski is that he ends up as the offensive coordinator in New York with the Jets. That that is the purgatory that he deserves for what he has carried out here, for the crimes against humanity, football humanity that he has committed here in Cleveland.
[01:09:45] Speaker A: Yep. Bone. Any final thoughts on Kevin Stefanski?
[01:09:49] Speaker B: Yeah, we've done A lot of talking. Give us, give us your.
[01:09:52] Speaker D: I don't think I need to add much more. I wanted him gone. I'm happy he's gonna gone. I look forward to seeing who we bring in.
You know, I don't wish ill on him and his family. But yeah, go, yeah, do what you got to do, whatever. Move on.
[01:10:05] Speaker A: I guess my final thought is I.
[01:10:06] Speaker D: Hope he does do a tell all to just tell us what happened at the Browns. I don't think it'll ever happened. I don't think it will ever happen.
But I would love to hear that.
[01:10:17] Speaker A: And kind of final thought on this for me is for all you people out there that are feeling really sorry for Kevin, Stefan and, and are going to like. There was the reporter that was like almost crying like, I think you were done wrong here, Kevin. Whatever.
You guys do realize he makes like seven to nine million dollars a year, right? So he'll be fine. And he's gonna make seven to nine million dollars a year wherever he goes. So you don't really have to worry about him.
[01:10:44] Speaker B: He'll be fine. I'm sure that he drives an $80,000 SUV.
[01:10:47] Speaker A: Right?
[01:10:48] Speaker B: He'll be fine. Right.
[01:10:49] Speaker A: And with, with, with that I want to officially. Do you have anything else to add before.
[01:10:53] Speaker B: I'm just glad. I'm glad he's gone. I'm glad we can move on from Kevin.
Boutonio was crying in the locker room today about it and things.
Look, it's hard. Anytime you're in an organization that spends that much time together, you grow attached to the people that you work with, work with.
But at the end of the day, no matter what your emotions and your feelings are, he was 8 and 26 over the last two seasons.
Nobody survives that. Will Andrew Barry survives that. But, but nobody.
[01:11:27] Speaker A: Nobody else.
[01:11:28] Speaker B: Nobody else. Nobody should survive that. You. You can't say, you can't do that and then say I'm what's best for this franchise because you've proven it. You've done it. You're not.
[01:11:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And so with that, I'm going to a. I'm going to officially turn the page and we will not talk about Kevin Stefanski on our show anymore. Which was kind of.
It's kind of bittersweet because I like talking shit about him.
But we're going to turn the page. We're going to turn to the odds on favor to replace one Kevin Stefanski.
And here's what they've come out with so far. And these are, these are odds. Makers have put this out There tied it for first, Cliff Kingsbury and. And Mike McCarthy. Like any of those names.
We'll be quick here. Just yes or no, Yay or nay.
[01:12:14] Speaker B: I like the idea of Mike McCarthy because he's been there, done that. He's a guy that will assemble a staff quickly and has a ton of experience. So I don't hate that move.
If his name isn't Stefanski, I'm pretty much on board at this point.
Out of those two, I would prefer McCarthy bone.
[01:12:34] Speaker D: I mean, yeah, people backing Stefanski because they're like he was a two time coach of the year. McCarthy's one of certain.
[01:12:39] Speaker A: So that's true. Yeah, that's a good way to put a band aid on it for all the people that are still hung up on the old coach.
[01:12:47] Speaker B: One thing I will point about Cliff Kingsbury, you kind of read his bio earlier and like, here's why people sound familiar.
[01:12:53] Speaker A: They said he's an offensive minded coach that seems to really get the most out of quarterbacks. And it was literally like imaginative play calling. Yeah, it was literally like Kevin Stefanski's bio from a few years ago.
So.
[01:13:04] Speaker B: So too much. Too much like Kev.
[01:13:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't like that.
Next up, Chris Shula, Jesse Minter, Deion Sanders.
Kenny, you got anything to say there?
[01:13:16] Speaker B: I would love to see prime here. I'm. Look, this is a pipe dream. It'll never ever happen. But God, it would be the most entertaining thing you've ever seen.
[01:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:13:24] Speaker B: And you would have instant chemistry with your head coach and your quarterback, which, which I love in just the drama that would unfold there. I mean if Shador played poorly and he had to bench him or make a move like, it just, it's, it's a made for, for TV like script. Like, it's just, it would be so awesome.
There's, there's zero. Because Shador plays here. There's almost zero chance that they can do that.
But hey, we've tried everything else.
[01:13:48] Speaker A: It would be Brown's thing to do. So I, and, and I would be for it just simply for the fact that we, we would get polar opposite of like press conferences we had all the last six years. Like Kevin Stevenski was constantly like, I need to watch tape, I'll do better. All that stuff. And, and Deion Sanders would just talk shit to everybody.
[01:14:10] Speaker B: Well, I would throw it out with the same reason that I would play Shador Sanders next year, which is, you know, almost like when the Colts hired Jeff Saturday kind of on a whim to be their head Coach for the remainder of the season. Like bring. Bring Dion here and let him try to build this thing. Give him a year. And if. And if it's a train wreck, you've wasted a year. You pick first overall. You hire a new coach the following year and get your quarterback and start over.
Here's my question right now. Regardless of who the coach is that you bring in. So you bring in Mike McCarthy, bring in any of these names.
The Browns win the super bowl next year.
Think about the roster is currently constructed in the work that it needs.
[01:14:45] Speaker A: No.
[01:14:45] Speaker B: Even if you were just to fill all the gaps on off. Is this team winning the super bowl next year? Nope, probably not. So if you kick the can down the road one more year and get closer to, you know, the shadow, like, what, what does it really hurt? This team's not competing next year. They. They. They might be better next year than this year, but they're not competing.
[01:15:03] Speaker A: So you heard it here.
Kenny is all for Dion San.
[01:15:06] Speaker B: I'm all for it. Bring it in. I want. I want this circus here in Cleveland. I want to be the lead story on ESPN every week, all off season long, and be talking Browns 24 7.
[01:15:17] Speaker A: I mean, it would be Browns 24 7.
It'd be crazy because we'd be going through the NFL playoffs and all they talk about was Cleveland Browns.
And then finally to round things out, there's Joe Brady, Brian Flores, Clint Kubiak and Robert Sala for. They're all tied for the lowest odds there.
[01:15:33] Speaker B: I think people in Buffalo would probably tell you to take Joe Brady. I don't think he's well beloved there.
Jesse Minner is an interesting one. Um, I don't know that Chris Shula, like, if his name wasn't Shula, would we be talking about him? Brian Flores is a guy that a lot of people are high on.
Didn't have a good run the last time around as a head coach. There was a lot of drama with Brian Flores. We like drama in recent years. So that seems his has been quieted.
But I don't know. Look again. My. My.
My litmus test for who should the next coach be is purely. Is your name Kevin Stefanski? No. Okay. Move, you know, collect. Go pass. Go collect $200. Like that's it.
[01:16:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:16:17] Speaker B: If I had to pick a name out of this list, Robert Sala is who I would most like because I think he's an ass kicker.
[01:16:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
Denzel Ward lobbying for Jim Schwartz to get the nod today.
On Monday, he came out and basically said, Look, Jim Schwartz, he's been around for a while. We really like him, we really respect him. We think he does deserves another shot at a head coaching job.
So he kind of spoke for the defense. It sounded like when he said it, he used a lot of wheeze. So interesting there. I think Jim Schwartz, in all honesty, I think both him and Tommy Reese are going to end up getting interviewed for this job.
[01:16:55] Speaker B: I do think they'll both get interviewed. Andrew said that they would be in consideration today.
I don't think there's any chance that they hire either of those guys. I, I, I think if they wanted stability for stability sakes, Stefanski would still be here and you would keep those guys in place.
That's the solution, right? If you love Tommy Reese and you want to keep him in the organization and you love Jim Schwartz and you want to keep him in the organization, Stefanski is just here today and you take your lumps and you move forward.
I would love to see Jim Schwartz get another head coaching gig here in Cleveland. I just don't think it's plausible.
[01:17:31] Speaker A: And then moving on from just coaching talk for the Browns in general, Joe Batonio got emotional reflecting on his career. When asked if this would be it, he kind of teared up and said he's going to take some time off, make his final decision. But I mean, as emotional as he got, I'd have to, I, I mean, I'm willing to put money.
I would bet that this is probably it for Joel Petonio, especially new coach.
The roster's not that good. Everything comes along with that. I don't think he probably want to go through this again next year. I don't know.
[01:18:03] Speaker B: Look, Joel, Joel is the consummate professional. He's, he's, the, he's the best of the Browns. He, he shows up every week, plays his heart out.
You know, Miles came out this week and kind of said, this week. I don't, maybe it was yesterday, last night after the game, said, you know, if they're going to do this whole rebuild thing again, like he doesn't know if he wants to be a part of that. Well, sorry, Miles, like, you're stuck here. You signed a contract.
But, but I think Joel probably is in that same mindset of like, am I going to put my body through this again for a team that's going to win?
[01:18:38] Speaker A: What if Miles Garrett retired six?
[01:18:40] Speaker B: Am I going to do this again for a team is going to win six or seven games next year?
Is it worth it? I, I couldn't. I Couldn't look at Joel Batonio square in the face and say it's a good idea to come back next year. As much as I would. I would.
[01:18:54] Speaker A: He's.
[01:18:54] Speaker B: He's a good offensive lineman and that's important. Important to this team right now is because they're going to have to remake this whole offensive line.
It may, it may just be time.
[01:19:04] Speaker A: I think this is it.
Hall of Fame career. Yeah. Great.
[01:19:08] Speaker B: Great career. Great. Brown.
[01:19:10] Speaker A: More games started than Joe Thomas.
[01:19:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:19:12] Speaker A: Which is insane.
Next up.
[01:19:16] Speaker B: And he's just, he's just not a guy that get. I mean, Joe Thomas was almost like instantly, you know, respected and recognized across the league. And I'm sure in deep football circles people go, petonio. Yeah, that's one of the. But like he doesn't have the same ID that Joe Thomas has for whatever.
[01:19:30] Speaker A: Doesn't play left tackle. That's why.
[01:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:19:33] Speaker A: And then next up here, Andre Schmidt. We talked about a little bit in the hot take hotline, but hit the game winner against Cincinnati and totally redeemed himself after missing the game winner against Cincinnati in week one. Let's go back to the week one miss. Who was the first guy over there to console him when he missed?
[01:19:47] Speaker B: Well, it's controversial at the time, but it was Shador Sanders.
[01:19:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Because he wasn't playing and they were.
[01:19:52] Speaker B: Like, what is this guy doing, third string quarterback doing? Trying to talk guys up. So just came full circle and when. When Shador needed a clutch kick, who was there?
[01:20:00] Speaker A: Yep. So just, just thought that was a cool thing that we had to point out here that this is why you endear yourself to your teammates and you go and you do these things that somehow Shador Sanders gets painted as a distraction and all these other bad things. But he's constantly talking up his teammates and trying to do what he can to help them and. And is just another example of it.
[01:20:21] Speaker B: Something else that went completely over Kevin's head.
[01:20:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. Because you know who didn't console Andre Schmidt?
[01:20:28] Speaker B: Kevin.
[01:20:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
Next up, obviously Miles Garrett broke the sack record. We talked about this at length on Sunday. We're not going to get back into. We talked about it with Dog of the Week.
I just wanted to put this in here because Shelby Harris. High five to ref.
[01:20:42] Speaker B: Sure did.
[01:20:42] Speaker A: I don't know if you guys saw it.
[01:20:43] Speaker D: Has a great video.
[01:20:44] Speaker A: I actually had to stop it and rewind it for my like, you know, on DVR for my wife and say, did you see this? She's like, no, what happened? I was like, watch this guy celebrate High fives a ref.
[01:20:54] Speaker B: Quick sidebar. You said dvr.
You still have a dvr? Like an actual dvr?
[01:20:59] Speaker A: No.
[01:21:00] Speaker B: Or were you, like, streaming?
[01:21:01] Speaker A: No, like streaming. It's on YouTube.
[01:21:02] Speaker B: TV.
[01:21:03] Speaker A: Just remind it.
[01:21:06] Speaker B: A family friend who's seven or eight years old.
And I was watching TV and they were over the house, and she was like, what are you. What are you watching? And I was like, you know, probably Everybody Loves Raymond or something, reruns.
She's like, what is on Netflix or something? And I was like, no, it's on tv. She says, who watches channels?
I was like, when did I become a hundred years old? Because I have cable.
What the.
Who watches channels anymore?
[01:21:39] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, the only. The literal, only time that I watch, quote, unquote channels is when I'm watching sports.
[01:21:46] Speaker B: So I don't know. I. I like flipping the channels and not knowing what I'm going to get.
You know, you might find the Hunger Games. You might find My Cat from Hell.
[01:21:55] Speaker A: And now you sound like you're 100 years old, so.
Yeah. So, Shelby Harris. High five to ref.
Next up, Zach Taylor and Jamar Chase were not happy about the game being stopped when Miles Garrett broke the sack record. Zach Taylor said after the game, there's five minutes left in our season, and we're playing for our lives out here. And I was never told we were going to stop the game in a critical moment like that.
[01:22:17] Speaker B: Bro, you got six wins.
Whose life are you playing for?
[01:22:21] Speaker A: His own. His own? He doesn't know if he'll be back next year, so he's like, I got to get a win.
And then Jamar Chase followed it up with, I didn't know you could even stop a game like that.
And he said, we were trying to hurry up and we couldn't even do it. And then he finished it with, I'll remember that when I break records on the back end, meaning in the back end end of his career. So, yeah, you're probably going to appreciate it if you broke some records and they stopped the game for you.
[01:22:43] Speaker B: Yeah, this is pretty standard practice in basically every sport when something that is a milestone accomplishment happens.
[01:22:51] Speaker A: Like, this is a big one. This isn't one of the smaller record. Like, this is a big one.
[01:22:54] Speaker B: And it was one that we've been waiting for for weeks. Right. It's been the lead story almost of every Browns game going forward. It's the reason we had Nance and Romo.
[01:23:00] Speaker A: A lot of NFL stories.
[01:23:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, this was a big deal for the league. That's a record that stood for for 20 years and it was a big moment. So I don't know what the you know this is just sour grapes from a team that lost. I don't know Jamar Chase talking about I didn't even know you could stop a game like this. Reminded me of a few years back when there was a tie and players were like I didn't know you could talk. Like you just sound really ignorant right now. Like you don't know like if you never watched a game game when Mike Evans had the thousand yard consecutive seasons and stuff like in was it whatever last year like they they there was a moment of not a moment of silence but a moment of regard for the the accomplishment. Like it just it's a normal thing that happens in every sport.
[01:23:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
They're from Kentucky. I don't that's true. Yeah. Cincinnati's in Kent.
[01:23:50] Speaker B: I overestimate their ability to comprehend basic things in life.
[01:23:55] Speaker A: The only the only people worth a dam in Kentucky are our Browns backers down there.
[01:23:59] Speaker B: That's right.
[01:24:00] Speaker A: And then finally no conversation really needed here but someone posted on X about how Shador Sanders bad habits were not improving and Nick Nick Wilson 923 the fan came back with maybe the tweet of the year and he responded. I too am surprised that Shador is having a bad game in Week 18 without a starting running back, center, right guard, backup right guard, right tackle, top two tight ends including as leading receiver and running game averaging 2.8 yards per carry. I would have thought he'd be a completely different quarterback by now.
[01:24:29] Speaker B: You pretty much said it all.
[01:24:32] Speaker A: Well done Nick Wilson. Well done. And with that let's go ahead and get into the division roundup.
[01:24:46] Speaker B: All right.
[01:24:46] Speaker A: Just two games for the division this week. Pittsburgh got it done and beat the Ravens for the division title on Sunday Night Football.
[01:24:52] Speaker B: Wild finish.
[01:24:52] Speaker A: It was a wild finish and tight buttholes in that one because we nobody knew how that was going to end up. But I was right and you all were wrong. Suck it.
That being said, I made sure I told everybody that I wanted to pick Baltimore last week. I picked Pittsburgh and so I remember.
[01:25:10] Speaker B: Correctly you were like there's no way Pittsburgh wins the game. Like I would pick Baltimore if I was picking for real.
[01:25:15] Speaker A: Yep. But they did and here we are. So and then Cleveland up picked beat the Bengals and we were all right. Except for John Hughes. That's got to feel bad that a former Brown was the only one that.
[01:25:23] Speaker B: Didn'T pick the Brown season finale John.
[01:25:25] Speaker A: And it cost him King of the north, which we'll get into later. But man for the AFC north standings, the final standings are as follows. Pittsburgh wins the division at 10 and 7, Baltimore finishes just under.500 8. 9, Cincinnati at 6 and 11 and then the Browns at 5 and 12 and the final king of the north standings, which again we will get into a little bit later in the show. Me and Boner tied at 36 and 20. We'll talk about tiebreakers and other things later. John right behind us at 35 and 21 and Kenny about to get waxed.
[01:25:55] Speaker B: Thank you.
[01:25:55] Speaker A: 25 and 31.
One day you'll finish above.500.
[01:26:00] Speaker B: Final thing I want to just point out about the Browns game was our favorite tweeter Anthony Lima immediately asked so.
[01:26:08] Speaker A: Many bad I didn't even get so.
[01:26:09] Speaker B: Many bad tastes immediately after the game. Promptly pointed out that the Browns only scored six points on offense and was like the lowest DVOA of any team in like 18 years or something.
And I think what that tweet did was illustrate why analytics doesn't matter because the Browns won.
So you can point out all these numbers. The fact is Shador Sanders beat Cincinnati and the week before beat a 10 win Pittsburgh team and now has three.
[01:26:39] Speaker A: Wins in seven games this year.
[01:26:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So you can say all you want about all the analytics are bad. The analytics are bad.
Two wins at the end of the season would would prove you otherwise.
[01:26:49] Speaker A: Overall, The Browns are 5 and 12, but Shador Sanders is what, 3 and 4?
[01:26:53] Speaker B: So he's the winningest quarterback in the last two years.
[01:26:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
And with that with Lima being a turd, let's go ahead and get into the let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, so for around the NFL, it is Black Monday in the NFL.
That means coaches are getting fired along with Kevin Stefanski. These coaches have been let go. Pete Carroll with the Raiders Fired.
[01:27:24] Speaker C: Fired.
[01:27:24] Speaker A: Jonathan Gannon with Arizona fired. That's it. That's not as big of a Black Monday as usual, but there's still three coaches that went. So that's effectively a tenth of the NFL is without their head coaches. A coach that was not fired. Mike McDaniel will reportedly be a part of the GM search in Miami, which what a turnaround for this guy because a few weeks ago he was like on the hottest seat and now he's like, no, I'm going to run the organization.
[01:27:50] Speaker B: And now they had a little bit of a comeback this year. I would just add in the list of coaches that was fired. It wasn't today it was shortly after the game on Sunday, after he had hugged owner Arthur Blank and his son. And the GM basically walked out of the room and then was fired afterwards was Raheem Morris.
[01:28:08] Speaker A: So four coaches, my bad. You're right.
And then another coach that was not fired. Matt. Matt Campbell was asked to grade his performance as. As coach of the Lions this year. And he said, I give my.
No, not Matt Campbell.
[01:28:23] Speaker B: I was like, who the fuck is Matt Campbell?
Sorry Bone didn't fact check you.
[01:28:38] Speaker E: So I did. Yeah.
[01:28:39] Speaker A: Thank you. But anyways, he said, I give myself a freaking F.
So, Dan. Dan Campbell.
Yeah, he gave himself an F. Which, again, that's what I would like out of our next head coach is like, when things happen, just be upfront with us and tell it like it is. You don't have to sugarcoat everything, say it was bad.
[01:29:01] Speaker B: Quite a fall from grace. I mean, that was the team that a lot of folks had picked to, you know, be in the super bowl conversation anyway, and things did not go well. And Dan Campbell has, you know, endeared himself to a lot of fans with his biting kneecaps and all this stuff.
[01:29:17] Speaker A: I like Dan Campbell.
[01:29:17] Speaker B: We had all. Everybody kind of collectively said, like, hey, we'd like that guy to be our head coach. And then Detroit went and shit the bed. So.
[01:29:24] Speaker A: Yeah, and they have. They do have a talented roster.
[01:29:27] Speaker B: Yeah, they do.
It's funny because I work with some Detroit fans are, like, not happy with Jared Goff. And I'm like, what? I mean, could. Could you do better than Jared Goff? Sure. But he's not bad.
[01:29:39] Speaker A: No.
[01:29:40] Speaker D: I was kind of thinking their defense was the problem.
[01:29:42] Speaker A: Yeah, people are wild.
My. My dad's a Detroit fan, and he was kind of. He. He is not low on Dan Campbell. He's just like, eh. We just kind of had some bad breaks this year and things happen.
He thinks they're going to bounce back next year, so we'll see. But anyways, Joe Burns burrow not happy in Cincinnati. He kind of. I don't know if you guys saw this after the game. He stood out there and he kind of made it a point to, like, take it all in. He was looking around and it's kind of a show for the cameras, in my opinion, but it's still nonetheless, like, he made it a point to say, hey, I'm taking it in. This may be it. And then he laid it on thick in the post game press conference about how he wasn't happy right now in Cincinnati. So I don't know. I mean, could he be on the move this offseason? Would. What do you guys think?
[01:30:23] Speaker B: Joe Burr was taking it in. He was very reflective at the end of the game.
[01:30:28] Speaker A: He played with his hair a lot.
[01:30:29] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say that was the more important story that came out of his press conference was that he was literally flicking his hair out of his face every other.
[01:30:35] Speaker A: His hair's so nice. He had to just throw it around and make sure everybody saw it.
[01:30:38] Speaker B: Like, when I saw the. I saw the headline, I was like, this is probably a lot to do about nothing. Like, oh, Joe Burrow plays with his hair. And then I watched it and I was like, man, that guy played a lot with his hair.
[01:30:48] Speaker A: He really wanted everybody to know that he has Flowing blonde.
Yeah.
[01:30:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I think it's going to be a really interesting year offseason for quarterbacks. We've heard, Joe, really interesting year off.
[01:30:58] Speaker A: Season for quarterbacks in the AFC North. Literally every team might have a new quarterback next year.
[01:31:04] Speaker B: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers made.
[01:31:06] Speaker A: He's almost definitely retiring evaporate before the.
[01:31:09] Speaker B: End of the season. But Joe Burrow, not content. Lamar Jackson not content.
You know, there's some other guys out there to attack of Aloha is probably. Probably on the move in the off season. So gonna be a lot of teams next year with new quarterbacks. Might the Browns be one of them? Very possibly. If one of those guys, you know, a guy like Tua might be a fit here as some kind of bridge guy if they don't think the quarterback they want is in the draft.
[01:31:32] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. And I mean, you hit on two of them.
Lamar Jackson maybe heading for him and him and the Ravens may be heading for a split, especially after an 8, 9 season. Like, it seems like this is when it tends to happen in the NFL. You have a down year and then things. You got to change a few things or whatever. So we'll see what happens there. And Tua, his quote was in his press conference for the end of the year, he said a fresh start in 2026, quote, would be dope.
So, I mean, that's almost guaranteed that they're gonna. They're gonna part ways there. So. Yeah, well, and there's also the end of the season.
[01:32:07] Speaker B: There's also teams, too, that are kind of good and are maybe a quarterback away that like. Like a Minnesota. Like their quarterback situation is. Is terrible.
[01:32:17] Speaker A: You mean McCarthy's not the answer.
[01:32:19] Speaker B: I think they're learning that.
[01:32:20] Speaker A: But like McCarthy, what's his name?
[01:32:22] Speaker B: McCarthy.
[01:32:23] Speaker A: I don't even care about him.
[01:32:24] Speaker B: That's Why?
[01:32:24] Speaker A: I don't know his name.
[01:32:24] Speaker B: Paul McCartney, but. But like a guy.
But a guy like Joe Burrow. Going to Minnesota changes the trajectory of your franchise.
[01:32:32] Speaker A: You're looking pretty good next year, five.
[01:32:33] Speaker B: To seven years, and put you in the super bowl conversation. So it'll be interesting to see where pieces get moved.
[01:32:39] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And then next up here, jets go an entire season without an interception.
This is the first. First team since interceptions were starting in. In 1933. So almost 100 years.
[01:32:52] Speaker B: They suck.
[01:32:53] Speaker A: They're the worst, the goddamn Jets.
Riley Leonard got the start this week with Philip Rivers retiring again.
I went out there as player coach and was just on the sideline and. And kind of coaching up Riley Leonard.
As you know, they were knocked out of the playoffs. So he's like, it doesn't matter.
[01:33:13] Speaker B: Riley played pretty well.
[01:33:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And speaking of Philip Rivers, that guy has more kids than the entire Somali daycare system in Minneapolis.
[01:33:21] Speaker B: Stand up here on the burning river.
[01:33:23] Speaker A: Sports guests who wrote this. He does have a lot of kids.
And Then next up, 49ers linebacker Tatum Bethune out for the playoffs with a torn groin.
[01:33:34] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[01:33:35] Speaker C: Ouch.
[01:33:36] Speaker A: That's got to be one of the worst injuries ever.
[01:33:38] Speaker B: I mean, just telling people you tore your groin, that. That's painful.
[01:33:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And Speaking of the 49ers, Fred Warner is apparently Spider Man.
[01:33:45] Speaker B: This was the wildest video I've seen ever.
[01:33:48] Speaker A: I mean, he's just.
[01:33:50] Speaker B: He was just climbing Levi Stadium outside, just the scaffolding, just literally like Spider Man.
[01:33:55] Speaker A: And he just, like, ran inside. Like, he's just out. He's gone. It was wild what was happening there.
Why would you allow him to do that on the eve of the playoffs?
[01:34:04] Speaker B: Well, he's been injured all year. I think he's coming back. I think not.
[01:34:08] Speaker A: If he falls off a building, that.
[01:34:10] Speaker D: That video is a little dated, I think. I feel like I've seen that a while ago.
[01:34:14] Speaker B: I don't know if that was new or.
[01:34:16] Speaker C: Or not.
[01:34:18] Speaker B: I. I mean, I think that was new.
All right, maybe I might.
[01:34:21] Speaker D: A Deja Vu dreamt it, but maybe he climbs.
[01:34:23] Speaker A: I'm at a Deja Vu dreamt it. Maybe I was sent the video, so I have no idea. I didn't fact check anything. That's your job, Bone.
[01:34:31] Speaker D: And then social media.
[01:34:33] Speaker A: True. And then not NFL related, but USF, the USFL coaches have been named, and they are as follows. AJ McCarron, which is funny because he was just like the big story in the league, like, a year ago.
Ricky probably Anthony Becht, Chris Redmond, Kevin Sumlin. They do have one coach in there. Yeah.
And then Ted Ginn Jr.
Which is kind of an interesting name for all of you Buckeye fans out there.
Kind of following in his father's footsteps. Big time coach for Cleveland. Glenville, is it Glenville? Yeah, Glenville. For years. Years. I mean, it's been what, like 25 years?
[01:35:09] Speaker B: A lot.
[01:35:09] Speaker A: Yeah, a lot of years. But he's going to be coaching the Columbus Aviator, so really cool that it's the Ohio team too.
[01:35:15] Speaker B: There's a couple other ones, but those.
[01:35:16] Speaker A: Are the big ones.
[01:35:17] Speaker B: Important ones.
[01:35:18] Speaker A: Yeah. So just interesting there.
[01:35:19] Speaker B: But most important, as determined by me.
[01:35:23] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:35:24] Speaker A: So that's our trip around the NFL.
Obviously, the Browns don't have a game this week, so we don't have any interviews with Browns backers. We don't have a Browns preview to do. But we are going to go ahead and get into our own playoff preview.
And as I said this week, the Browns have no one.
They're, they're, they're at home.
[01:35:52] Speaker B: We done.
[01:35:53] Speaker A: But the NFL has the playoffs and the playoff field has been set. The nfc, you got Green Bay at Chicago, San Francisco at Philadelphia, Los Angeles Rams at Carolina Panthers, and then Seattle's on by. So we'll start at the nfc. Green Bay at Chicago. Who you guys like this one? Kenny, we'll start with you.
[01:36:14] Speaker B: I mean, I've picked against Chicago all season long and they continue to prove me wrong. So I'll go Chicago.
[01:36:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you as much as I all last year talked about how Caleb was going to be a bust.
He's kind of proving me wrong right now. He's had a really good season, so.
[01:36:32] Speaker B: Plus they have the cheese grater helmets.
[01:36:34] Speaker A: Yeah, those are dope. Yeah. Anybody that plays Green Bay is. They got cheese grater Raiders. So I'm gonna go Chicago. Bone.
[01:36:42] Speaker D: Also go in Chicago.
Yeah, they just play good.
Pretty good football team.
[01:36:47] Speaker A: They've probably been the most surprising team all year, I'd say.
Next up, San Francisco and Philadelphia. Who you guys like in this one, Bone?
[01:36:55] Speaker D: I'm going to go to San Francisco and I kind of want them to win, so I'm a little biased on it, but I think they're going to win.
[01:37:03] Speaker A: I want to go to San Francisco as well. Philadelphia's had a real roller coaster of a season this year with like, like they're in the playoffs as the number three seed in their entire fan base wants everybody fired and their quarterback to be gone. So with all of the controversy surrounding Philadelphia, I just it's really hard. I know they made the playoffs. They won enough games to make the playoffs to be the number three seed. But it's really hard to kind of continue success with all that shit going on around you. So I'm going to go. I'm going to go San Francisco in this.
[01:37:32] Speaker B: Philly's a hard place to play in January.
They're the champs still. They ain't the champs no more. So I'll go Philly. As much as I hate Philly.
[01:37:40] Speaker A: They killed Hitchbot.
[01:37:41] Speaker B: They did their worst and threw snowballs at Santa Claus.
[01:37:44] Speaker A: Bad job out of them. And then Los Angeles Rams at Carolina Panthers.
I'll start here. I'm going with the Rams because the Panthers are ass. So Kenny, who you got? I mean, the Panthers aren't ass. They made the playoffs and they had a good run this season and somehow. But the Panthers are probably the worst team in the playoffs here.
[01:38:01] Speaker B: They're clearly the worst team in the playoffs. They have a losing record Rams. Because the par. Par. Carolina has a losing record.
[01:38:08] Speaker A: Bone.
[01:38:09] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm going Rams. Puka makes like an Odo Beckham catch every game and it doesn't get recognized, I feel like. But it's. It's insane.
[01:38:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:38:16] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:38:16] Speaker B: He is underrated for some reason. I don't know why.
Real quick. Just on this game, you guys have a problem with that being a home game for Carolina since they were 8 and 9 and the Rams won like 12 games?
[01:38:27] Speaker A: I do. I think the NFL really needs to revisit this. Like I. I'm fine with you saying every division winner gets an automatic bid to the playoffs, but I'm done with this.
Division winner under.500 gets a playoff game. Like that's ridiculous to me.
I mean, I guess the only other thing that you could say about it as far as an argument is that if you take that away from the division winners, does it cheapen kind of the division games?
[01:38:53] Speaker B: Well, that's kind of way I always look at it as like. Like you're in a division and whether you like it or not, that's where you were placed. So. And. And there should be some incentive to win your division fair.
[01:39:05] Speaker A: But you still get the automatic playoff bid.
[01:39:07] Speaker D: I feel like Seattle had this years ago. They were like 7 and 9.
[01:39:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:39:10] Speaker D: Maybe won their division and got in the playoffs. And I think one. Maybe the first round and it's happened.
[01:39:15] Speaker B: A handful of times. And that's why it continues to come up as a story because people are like, why is the seating in such that the better team has to travel to a team that has especially a losing record is almost embarrassing.
[01:39:26] Speaker A: But yeah, I don't know. It's tough because you don't want to take away from the division division title. But you, you also like, you still make the playoffs.
[01:39:35] Speaker B: I mean frankly, like if you're going to start going that direction. Do the conferences and divisions even matter anymore? Shouldn't it just be top 14 or 16 teams period? Get in.
[01:39:45] Speaker A: No. And see, that's where you lose me because I still think it's. It counts for. So if you take away just the being a top four seed but you still get an automatic playoff bid for your. Your division, then they still matter because the division winner goes to the playoffs.
[01:39:59] Speaker B: I guess I'm coming from a place of. If the Browns ever make the playoffs, probably won't be a very good record.
[01:40:03] Speaker A: We'll probably be seven and nine and somehow we won the division.
[01:40:05] Speaker B: I would rather have the home game even if we had a losing record.
[01:40:08] Speaker A: That's fair. I'm all for home games for the. For under 500. Yeah, I like it. Then obviously the Seattle Seahawks had a buy. So guys, for the nfc, do you guys have a favorite coming out of the NFC for the Super Bowl?
[01:40:20] Speaker B: I'll go Chicago.
[01:40:22] Speaker A: Okay. Number two seed. I think that is bone. You got a favorite coming out of the nfc.
[01:40:27] Speaker D: I'm gonna go right. Rams. But I just. I had Puka and Stafford on my fantasy team so I'm biased.
[01:40:36] Speaker A: I just don't want to go Chicago. So I'm actually going to go with San Francisco here.
I know they kind of had a. They ended the season on a down. Now they lost their last game and you know, that's why they're a lower seat here. But I just.
When they're playing well, they, they play. They can play with anybody in the NFL and, and that team is streaky. So if they can get it going here, I think they can make a run.
[01:40:59] Speaker B: Believer in Brack Purdy.
[01:41:01] Speaker A: I don't know. The dude's got. The team loves him like that team plays for him. That's something we don't have in Cleveland hardly ever.
[01:41:07] Speaker B: So they played well with Mac Jones earlier too.
[01:41:10] Speaker A: They're a streaky team. Like I said can make a run here.
Going streaking for the afc. We got the LA Chargers at Patriots. I'm gonna go through. We'll. We'll just go through game by game. LA Chargers. The Patriots. Who you like, Kenny?
[01:41:23] Speaker B: I'll go Patriots. I just think Variable is really, really.
I mean he's Turned that franchise around to the point where it's a guy.
[01:41:33] Speaker A: We shouldn't let out of the building.
[01:41:34] Speaker B: Yeah. One that got away.
[01:41:36] Speaker A: Yep. I'm going Patriots too. I just like the, you know, they've been playing a tough brain of football this year and it's just, it's like the Patriots dynasty. I'm not saying they are back. I'm just saying if this team feels like the Patriots that couldn't lose before and so I wouldn't be surprised if they won the whole thing this year, I'm going Patriots as well.
[01:41:56] Speaker D: Well, Bone also going Patriots home game. I think they're better than the Chargers.
Yeah.
[01:42:04] Speaker A: Bills at Jacksonville.
Bone, who you got?
[01:42:08] Speaker D: Oh, man, I, I think it'll be close, but I think the Bills pull it out closer than I think people might think. I don't know. Jacksonville's just playing really tough right now, but Bill's. I think just Josh Allen's going to put them, put them in this year.
[01:42:24] Speaker A: Unlike the big Bone man, the Bills pull it out.
[01:42:29] Speaker B: Bones pull out game is strong.
[01:42:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I, I'm probably going Bills here. Jacksonville's been on a pretty crazy run. I don't, They've won like, I don't know.
[01:42:40] Speaker D: I think it's like eight in a row.
[01:42:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it might be nine to close the season. It was, it was something insane. It might be eight. It might be. It's either eight or nine.
[01:42:48] Speaker B: I thought they were lost a game somewhere because I thought Houston had the longest winning streak going into the playoffs. But I could be wrong.
[01:42:55] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:42:56] Speaker B: But they won a lot of games in a row.
[01:42:57] Speaker A: A lot of games. Those two were battling it out for that spot. And I just, I think you're right. I think they won one less game. So it's eight and I think Houston's is nine right now because Jacksonville is on a one less game win streak than, than, than Houston. So anyways, I'm gonna go with the Bills here. Kenny, you got.
[01:43:19] Speaker B: I am. I think the Bills are out of their element. I think the Bills are used to playing in, in the ralph and in.
[01:43:26] Speaker A: January they like that snow and it.
[01:43:29] Speaker B: Tends to be an equalizer for them when teams have to travel to their place.
[01:43:32] Speaker A: The Bills are a good example of when snow actually works in your favor. The Browns not a good example.
[01:43:38] Speaker B: Well, the Bills are good and that's the difference. But, but I just like, I like the, the moxie that Jacksonville kind of has this year.
I like the whole story. The first to wor or worst to first kind of narrative, it's gone along with that team. And look, they're a talented bunch, and I think they're. I think they're kind of coming out of. To me, I think it's a game that Buffalo can kind of overlook because they're just a team that's kind of come out of nowhere.
[01:44:04] Speaker A: So I'll go Jacksonville and then finally Houston at Pittsburgh. I'm taking Houston. Pittsburgh. Sex.
They shouldn't have made the playoffs, Mike. Tom, their coach. They did.
I think they focus on the wrong thing every year. They're like, mike Tomlin can't win a playoff game. No. Mike Tomlin got you to the playoffs when your team wasn't very good. So.
And that's the problem with being this, like, mid tier every year is you never get anybody good. Not that the Browns do anything with it, but anyway, I digress. Bone, who you got in this one?
[01:44:34] Speaker D: Yeah. Also go on Houston. Pittsburgh sucks.
[01:44:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Fair, Kenny.
Yeah.
[01:44:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll go Houston. Pittsburgh sucks. Pittsburgh sucks.
[01:44:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And then Denver was on by here.
So out of the afc, who's your favorite? Kenny?
[01:44:51] Speaker B: I'm gonna go Jacksonville. I just think they're the best story in the playoffs.
[01:44:55] Speaker A: I like that, Bone.
[01:44:57] Speaker D: I think I'm gonna go Patriots.
I think they're going back. I hate to say it, but I just feel like it's not fair. But they're going back.
[01:45:04] Speaker A: Yep.
I'm actually going to go Houston. I like it. They've been on fire lately.
CJ CJ Stroud finally once again, looks like the CJ Stroud from, like his whole rookie season. And I just really like what they've been doing lately. And they seem to just find a way to win every single week. So I'm going to go Houston out of. Out of the afc. So, I mean, that's it for now. We'll talk more about the playoffs as they go on. We'll have more news. We'll be able to discuss everything as it happens.
[01:45:35] Speaker B: But Jacksonville finished on an eight game win streak. Houston finished on a nine. Houston beat Jacksonville back in week. Whatever.
[01:45:43] Speaker D: Okay.
[01:45:43] Speaker A: Yep. So, yeah, I'm going. I'm going with Houston. They're the hottest team in the NFL right now.
[01:45:47] Speaker B: So hot.
[01:45:47] Speaker A: So, Heno, hotter.
[01:45:51] Speaker B: Hotter than Andrew Barry's seat this year.
[01:45:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's our playoff preview. Yeah.
[01:45:59] Speaker E: Good job.
[01:45:59] Speaker A: We'll talk more about the playoffs as they happen. But next up we got. Can we talk about this?
All right. We use this segment when one of us has something that they feel needs to be talked about or explored further. Explore Shore. Hashtag explore.
[01:46:18] Speaker B: Explore. Shador.
[01:46:19] Speaker A: Kenny, you got something this week. What do you got?
[01:46:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I just.
I can't remember. We might have even talked about this on the show before. So if we did, we can ditch this segment. But I was reading to my son last week and this book about dinosaurs.
He loves dinosaurs.
[01:46:42] Speaker A: Who doesn't?
[01:46:43] Speaker B: Who doesn't love dinosaurs? Why do you love dinosaurs?
[01:46:48] Speaker A: Because there are big, huge monsters that lived a long time ago.
[01:46:53] Speaker B: There's children's books about dinosaurs. There's children's shows. Shows about dinosaurs. My son has a ton of dinosaur figurines.
[01:47:06] Speaker A: Who's brainwashing us all to love dinosaurs?
[01:47:08] Speaker B: We spend so much time teaching young kids about dinosaurs. It's got to be the most useless information to real life, to everyday life. There's so many things to teach these little beings that are learning everything about the world for the, the very first time. And we spend an exorbitant amount of time teaching kids about dinosaurs.
[01:47:30] Speaker A: Why this is actually a phenomenal. Can we talk about this? Because I'm actually thinking about this and, and at least with my daughter, you know, who knows what will happen with my son, but with my daughter, because he's real young right now, so we're not teaching him anything yet.
But my, my daughter, we haven't really spent any time on dinosaurs. We focused elsewhere and she's a really bright little girl.
And so I'm wondering if it's because we don't teach her about dinosaurs. Your kid's gonna be an idiot because he's just learning about dinosaurs.
[01:48:02] Speaker B: But seriously, there's so many kids shows about dinosaurs. Like, it'll just be in the most random stuff. And then also like Paw Patrol has dinosaur episodes. Why. Why is there so much emphasis on. I know, I know two and three year olds that can name like 800 species of dinosaur. Dinosaur.
What is that information good for?
[01:48:22] Speaker A: Like, in the long run, is that going to do anything for you?
[01:48:24] Speaker B: There's like one job that is important to know anything about dinosaurs. Like if you're going to actually be a paleontologist or maybe a museum curator. But outside of those two things, what does knowledge about dinosaurs do for anyone?
[01:48:38] Speaker A: Nothing.
And it's literally the time of their lives where they, they're sponges, they absorb every.
[01:48:44] Speaker E: Everything.
[01:48:44] Speaker A: And we want to teach them about dinosaurs. That's what I'm saying.
[01:48:48] Speaker B: Why is that so important? Why is there so much emphasis on dinosaurs? Even when you go to museums, there's all kinds of things to learn about but there's a ton of skeletons out there and we're like, this is Tyrannosaurus Rex. What does that do for me? It's the like there's so many animals on the planet. The ocean is so vast, we haven't even explored it all. There's animals in there, but we know about dinosaurs. But we, we tell these kids about dinosaurs.
And the other problem is that we like fun wash dinosaurs. We're like Tyrannosaurus rex, he's the best hunter. You know what a Tyrannosaurus rex would do to you if it saw you? It would eat the out of you in a violent, disgusting way.
[01:49:28] Speaker D: When they get older, they watch Jurassic.
[01:49:30] Speaker A: Park and then they realize, yeah, yeah, it's another learning experience surrounded or around dinosaurs.
[01:49:39] Speaker D: The guy dumping in the porta potty just gets freaking ripped out of there.
[01:49:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:49:43] Speaker B: I just don't know. It just dawned on me. I'm like, why is there so many books and so much emphasis on.
[01:49:48] Speaker A: We have not talked about this on the show before.
This is a very good question. And now that you've mentioned it, I just said I don't know what will happen with my son as we start teaching him things. But I am definitely going to advocate now that we teach him nothing about dinosaurs. I don't, I don't get so useless about dinosaurs.
[01:50:04] Speaker D: Have you ever thought about the perspective of every rendition of a dinosaur is just drawn and it's just been pushed that way. Whereas if you just drew it a different way, you could still incorporate the skeleton structure and everything. You're like, well no, this is what it actually looked like.
[01:50:17] Speaker B: Well, 100. You know what I mean?
[01:50:18] Speaker A: Well, that's like where we get into. Yeah, they used to have scales, but now they have feathers.
[01:50:23] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, like when we grew up, like you watch the Land Before Time and that was like what we knew it a dinosaur, like these reptile reptilian things. And now we grow up and they're like, hey, is everybody know Tyrannosaurus had feathers? Like, no, we didn't know that because we watched the Land Before Time and that's how we learned about dinosaurs.
[01:50:36] Speaker A: Like you guys taught us all the wrong.
So first of all, you spent all your time talking about dinosaurs and then he didn't even teach us the right things.
[01:50:44] Speaker B: Well, it's a bonus point, right?
[01:50:45] Speaker A: This might turn into a gassed up.
[01:50:47] Speaker B: Even what we know about dinosaurs, it's all conjecture. It's all stuff that we think we know about. Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs. There are no dinosaurs.
[01:50:54] Speaker A: That dimension you throw in the religious aspect of it. And I'm getting this directly from Bone, he's a religious scholar.
And you, you say God created things with age.
[01:51:04] Speaker B: Right.
[01:51:05] Speaker A: So who knows? Did he create the, the, the dirt and everything else with dinosaur skeletons in it, even though they never really actually existed?
[01:51:12] Speaker B: Well, I think Bono tell you the dinosaurs walked among men. Right. That's the.
[01:51:15] Speaker D: I believe so.
[01:51:16] Speaker B: Of some level of theology. I mean, I'm not an expert in that either. Bonus. But, but I think, I think the biblical teaching is the dinosaurs walked among men at some point in time.
So it just is wild to me.
[01:51:31] Speaker A: Because Bone thoughts on theology of dinosaurs.
[01:51:32] Speaker B: It has no application to today's world other than the fact that they're these big scary animals that lived a long time ago.
[01:51:38] Speaker D: I think it's in Arizona. They have human feet and dinosaur feet or some type of species of something next to each other in the same strata.
[01:51:49] Speaker B: Look at that.
[01:51:49] Speaker D: It's out there now.
[01:51:50] Speaker B: We're learning geology.
[01:51:51] Speaker A: Oh, dang dang.
[01:51:53] Speaker B: Big dang ding ding.
[01:51:54] Speaker A: I told you. Told you. He, he's.
[01:51:56] Speaker B: He's. I told you.
[01:51:57] Speaker A: The expert.
[01:51:58] Speaker B: He knows.
[01:52:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:52:00] Speaker B: Because when he was little he learned a lot about dinosaurs.
[01:52:02] Speaker A: A lot about dinosaurs and religion.
Anyway.
[01:52:07] Speaker B: Dinosaurs.
[01:52:08] Speaker A: Useless.
[01:52:08] Speaker B: I just thought it was interesting.
[01:52:09] Speaker A: I am forever an advocate of teaching your kids nothing about dinosaurs from now on because you're just wasting the best years of their life as far as learning new things.
[01:52:18] Speaker B: You could teach them about so many animals, but there's so many that are.
That are here. Yeah. That actually have real life application.
And we spend so much time talking about creatures that lived potentially millions of years ago, tens of millions of years ago.
[01:52:32] Speaker A: Don't teach your kids about dinosaurs, folks.
[01:52:35] Speaker B: Useless information.
[01:52:36] Speaker A: If you do, you're wasting your. Their brain.
[01:52:39] Speaker B: That's all I got.
[01:52:39] Speaker A: It's your fault. It's your fault.
That was a good. Can we talk about this?
And next up here, we're going to bring on Big John to get into King of the North.
All right, it's that time again. It's time for King of the North. We got our guy Big John here. We're gonna wrap this thing up. This week. King of the north is officially over.
But before we get to King of in the north, some. Some big happened this week.
Big. That used to be your big.
And, and I just want to. John, I gotta ask you, you know Kevin Stefansky, obviously relieved of his duties this week. Duty.
[01:53:29] Speaker B: Good one.
[01:53:29] Speaker A: But how do you feel about this? And is there. Are there any guys out there on the coaching front that you'd like to see the Browns target.
[01:53:38] Speaker E: So Heard. Heard a lot of guys in the mix, heard Dion's name in there. I think that one would be interesting.
But just, just to kind of see how Cleveland takes this, this coaching.
[01:53:53] Speaker B: Run.
[01:53:53] Speaker E: You know what I mean? See how they take it. Man, I feel like every, every time we get in this position, we look at, you know, certain guys, I just hope we pick the right guy this time.
And when I say that, a guy that can be here long, long term, when I was in Cleveland, obviously united four head coaches in five years. So for.
It would be nice to see Cleveland, you know, get a guy and he's consistently here. You know, Savansko's here, what, six years, which is probably one of the longer tendered Browns head coaches.
So just to see a guy that can, that can really build with Cleveland and take us where we needed to go.
[01:54:28] Speaker A: Yeah, he's here six years and still couldn't get to 50 wins? Nope.
Yeah. And you said you went through, was it four coaches in five years? So with that being said, are you confident the Browns are going to get it right this time?
[01:54:42] Speaker E: You got to be as, as a, as a Cleveland fan, supporter, former player, you know what I mean? Like, you, you, you hope that the team gets it right at some point. And I feel like with what Andrew Barry did in this past draft, I, I, I, I liked it. You know what I mean? I think it's one of our best drafts by far in a long time, and I hope we can build on that with, you know, this new coach and then this draft that we have coming up this year.
[01:55:06] Speaker A: Absolutely. That's a brilliant segue into my next question here, which is, given the roster makeup, which is not very good, the owner saying that Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry were in sync with everything they did, do you think it's fair that Andrew Barry kept his job when Kevin Stefanski was let go?
[01:55:23] Speaker E: I think it's, it's, it's kind of a stretch if, if you think that they were in sync with everything. You know what I mean? Like, it sounds good, but I'm sure that there were some things that they were on sync with. I thought it was kind of interesting. I didn't know when Andrew Barry came in compared to Stefanski, but Andrew Barry came in after Stevenski, so he wasn't even one of Andrew Savansky wasn't one of Andrew Berry's guys. So it'll be interesting to see him have the reins and being able to pick a head coach this time. And, and what he'll look for in, in that position.
[01:55:55] Speaker A: So I'm going to hold you to this. John, you didn't, you didn't answer my question. Is it fair, is it fair that given what, what Jimmy has actually said, which I, I would agree with you, I don't think that they were fully in sync, but that's, that's what the owner said.
So if, if they are in sync, if we're just assuming that based off of his comments, I mean, do you think that's fair that, that Kevin Stefanski is kind of the fall guy and, and Andrew Barry's still here?
[01:56:21] Speaker E: Bear is a, is a, is a stretch, but. Yeah, I don't know. I, I, I feel like with, with that, it's almost like you have to pick one of the two, right? I mean, unless you, you could clean house, right? But that just makes it for even longer off season, you know what I mean? You gotta, now you gotta find the gm, you gotta find the head coach. And I feel like if you're gonna keep one of those guys, right, it was probably going to be Andrew Berry and you're gonna build off that and look for a new head coach opposed to a new GM coming in and finding a new head coach anyway. You know what I mean?
[01:56:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you think this opens the door for, I know a lot of the team talk before Kevin Svensky was let go was they're going to do everything they can to keep Tommy Reese and Jim Schwartz. Do you think this opens the door for Andrew Bear to have conversations with potential coaching candidates to say, hey, you know, we want you as head coach, but we also want you to keep these coordinators in place because we believe in them moving forward? Or do you think that the coach is going to have free reign to kind of bring in all of his own people and do everything that coaches typically do when they come in?
[01:57:24] Speaker E: Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. I, every, every head coach I had came in, brought his own guys in. That, that was kind of the coaching train, as you can call it in the, in the NFL or whatever. It's, it's when, you know, guys, they get a position, then they bring their guys with them that they trust and they work with and they believe in. They bring them with them. Right?
So I'd be interested to see if a coach would even take a deal like that to where like he had to come in with a pre, prefab coaching staff. You know what I mean?
So like I said, I'd be interested to see if they go that route. Or coach would even be interested in taking a position where he couldn't pick, you know, a majority or all his guys.
[01:58:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And before we get to King of the North, Kenny, you got any other, you know, you don't want to get made fun of right now. So you got any other questions for John?
[01:58:14] Speaker B: Just a quick question, John.
[01:58:17] Speaker A: So delay the inevitable.
[01:58:20] Speaker B: So I heard today in the Andrew Barry's press conference, he talked a lot about how Kevin was, you know, not just a colleague, but, but a friend.
To the point where he literally said, like, he gives my kids piggyback rides.
Can you imagine firing your best friend? And how do you think that relationship would be afterward?
[01:58:42] Speaker E: Man, that, that's, that's a, that's, that's a, that's a real question, man.
[01:58:46] Speaker A: I.
[01:58:48] Speaker E: It will be hard, but it's part of the business. As long as you understand it's business and it's nothing personal, I think the friendship stays intact. That makes sense.
[01:58:57] Speaker A: You know what I mean, right now? And that is personal.
I hate it.
[01:59:02] Speaker E: Example, right?
[01:59:05] Speaker B: I mean, is that just the pro. The prevailing thought, I guess, in NFL circles, like, at the end of the day, it's a business like, you know, amongst players and coaches is just. You just have to grow that thick skin to just go, hey, look, this is what it is at this point.
[01:59:18] Speaker E: Yeah, it's all about having thick skin in this, in this industry, man, in this business.
I remember, you know, my first four years in the league, I didn't really get to see the business side until I got, you know, or five years, and then I got away from Cleveland. And you really see the more business, you know, part of the, of the league. And it's what it is. It's business, right? You can't it take it personal. You gotta, you know, roll the punches and people can be your friend, but it's. At the end of the day, it is what it is, right? Everybody's got to go home, feed their family.
[01:59:51] Speaker B: So, John, percentage.
How many guys in the NFL probably take steroids?
Say high 70s.
[02:00:03] Speaker E: Higher than you would imagine.
[02:00:07] Speaker A: Higher than we would imagine. I can imagine pretty high.
Yeah, still higher.
[02:00:13] Speaker E: So it's, it's, it's funny with pd, so it was funny. We had a guy on the team, we used to call him Bonesaw.
I can't remember his actual name.
[02:00:28] Speaker B: Did you saw call him Bonesaw?
[02:00:31] Speaker E: Yeah, you guys might remember him. He was like an outside linebacker. We had. He got a couple. He played in a couple games towards the end of the year in like, want to say 15?
But anyway, he had like a, Like a, Like a crazy game, right?
[02:00:47] Speaker A: Scott Solomon.
[02:00:48] Speaker E: Scott Solomon.
[02:00:49] Speaker B: There it is.
[02:00:51] Speaker E: Yes. And.
And he had like, like a crazy game, right? Like, he had like a couple back to back, like, really good games, and he got tested every single game after the game. Like, so it's. It's funny when you see guys performing at a high level, like just thinking in the back your head, like, oh, he's probably going to get tested on Tuesday. You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's kind of how it goes.
[02:01:10] Speaker A: So Miles Garrett gets tested weekly.
[02:01:11] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say, I remember there was the, the game that Miles.
[02:01:14] Speaker E: He probably has a personal test at home.
[02:01:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Miles played one game shirtless and he. And then they tested him the next day and he was like, of course. He's like, this is why I wear sleeves.
[02:01:25] Speaker A: If they see my arms, I get tested.
[02:01:29] Speaker E: How do you guys feel about the. The big 23 man setting the sack record?
[02:01:36] Speaker A: Oh, I mean, it was phenomenal. It was actually.
Is my prediction before the season started that he. This was the year that he was going to break the sack record. So now I. Granted, I did say you would have 30. He didn't quite get there, but he.
[02:01:48] Speaker B: Was based on 30 for a minute.
[02:01:50] Speaker E: 30 is a number. That's a hell of a season. 30.
And you know, you know what it is? Like, it's like the first.
[02:01:58] Speaker B: I'm.
[02:01:59] Speaker E: I'm not saying they're easy, right. But like, you gotta imagine how hard those last.
At least three or four were for him. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Well, and now the teams are like, all right, you're. You're trying to get the sack record. You're not gonna get on us. And, you know, we saw it in Pittsburgh, you know, when they. They kind of changed their offensive scheme to get around giving him a sack.
[02:02:20] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, Pittsburgh nearly gave up the division just to stop him from getting a sack record. So I think.
[02:02:26] Speaker B: I think the lesson to be learned in all that is if you're going to chase a sack record, you do it in the first 12 weeks of the season.
[02:02:32] Speaker A: Get it done.
[02:02:32] Speaker B: That's the only way.
[02:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it was wild. And Cincinnati did it again this week, but luckily did you see. I don't know if you guys saw this the very first time that Miles Garrett was.
Yeah. That they. They didn't double team Miles Garrett. It was the very first time in the game that they didn't double team him that he got a sack.
[02:02:52] Speaker E: Really?
[02:02:53] Speaker A: Yeah. And it came with what, 3, 3 minutes left in the fourth quarter.
[02:02:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So John, do you put any stock in this whole 16 vs 17 games and some people especially out in Pittsburgh calling it, you know, an illegitimate sack record?
[02:03:08] Speaker E: No, because if you go off a snap count, I mean, you know, I mean like I, so I, I see it both ways. You know, people can say 16, 17 games. Yeah. But if you're going off the, the number of opportunities, I feel like that should be looked at more than the number of games. Right. A guy could play less snaps in, in the games earlier in the year and then not make sense later on. Like the fact that he did it in in least amount of snaps out of everybody, pretty much.
[02:03:35] Speaker A: But it was 100, about 100 less than straight hand and it was like 150 less than or more 170 less than TJ so yeah, the Steelers fans have the, have the worst gripe out of everybody.
[02:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:03:49] Speaker E: And I feel like when you take that into account too, you got to take in to account like how many double teams is, does he, does he get per game, how many, how many times is he chipped? You know what I mean? Like, because these are all things that affect the guy getting to the quarterback.
[02:04:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:04:03] Speaker B: John, is Miles, are we, are we.
[02:04:06] Speaker E: Playing the run versus pass, you know what I mean? And in Cleveland we're never, we're never ahead. So it's always a little bit tougher for us to get to the quarterback.
[02:04:13] Speaker B: John. I know it's tough to compare, you know, all time greats. You're like Lawrence Taylor's of the world and, and that. But is Miles Garrett the best defensive player of this generation? And is there anyone else even close, I guess?
[02:04:27] Speaker E: Oh yeah, yeah. I would put Miles up there as the best defensive player in this era right now. Football, arguably. And for me it's kind of cool because the last guy we were talking about was Aaron Donald. Right.
We're talking about like that dominant, just like top five ever, you know what I mean?
And for it to be another defensive lineman coming like pretty much simultaneously but like a little bit after him is pretty cool.
It shows what, what D line can do. So.
[02:04:59] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[02:05:00] Speaker B: I know what D lines can do because.
[02:05:06] Speaker A: He took it easy on you. You aren't an NFL quarterback.
[02:05:09] Speaker E: That was, that was seven years post, post career.
[02:05:14] Speaker A: He was in about a seven there. You don't want him to turn it up to an 11.
[02:05:17] Speaker B: Six, seven, six, seven.
[02:05:20] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, let's get into King of the North. I'm ready to make fun of you.
[02:05:23] Speaker B: Here we go.
[02:05:24] Speaker A: All right, in case anyone doesn't know by now, this is our year long AFC north pick them competition at the end of the season. Whoever comes in last place gets punished in the preseason.
You want me to keep going or I'll keep going. The preseason. Two years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans of the muni lot before a game in the preseason. Last year, Kenny had his hair and beard shaved clean off.
A few weeks ago. Well, a few months ago now for losing this past season, Kenny Don the Pads for the first time in almost 20 years, got hit three times by our guy, Big John Hughes, still recovering, I may add. That's at least mentally.
And then this year, the loser, Kenny Thunder, the idiot that he is, will be getting a Brazilian wax. How does that feel, Kenny? You don't know yet, so you haven't got it.
[02:06:05] Speaker B: Does your butthole ever get jealous of what comes out of your mouth?
[02:06:07] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, sometimes.
It's all right. Don't worry. We'll talk shit about you more.
First things first though, I want to remind everyone that Bone is the reigning defending King of the North.
Also, Kenny, you're a clown.
And let's remind everyone of our current records. At the end of the regular season, Bone and me are tied at top 36 and 20 is our record. John right behind us at 35 and 21. And Kenny's final record is 25 and 31.
You almost made it back to 500. Almost.
[02:06:43] Speaker B: Thank you.
[02:06:44] Speaker A: Not quite.
And now you. You may be wondering because we already did the, you know, division roundup earlier in this ep. You may be wondering, since the season's over, what else do we have to talk about? Well, we're doing this whole segment because King of the north this year came down to the final AFC north game of the season. Going into week 18, me and Bone, or I'm sorry, I was one game behind John and Bone for the lead. The Browns game.
Big John had Cincinnati because he didn't want to tie Bone.
[02:07:14] Speaker E: So I'm glad you put that asterisk in there.
[02:07:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a self inflicted wound. He wanted to pick the Browns, but he picked the. He picked the Bengals because he doesn't like ties.
[02:07:24] Speaker B: I've been there, John.
[02:07:26] Speaker E: It was, it was funny. Real quick, man. So I was at a. A brownsbacker in Lancaster this past weekend at a watch party, watching the game and you know how awkward it is. Like I'm sitting here. I want the Browns to win, obviously, but I'm just like, man, this, this Is King of the north right here, man.
[02:07:41] Speaker A: Like, you know what I mean? You're like, secretly like, yes, like, you should have.
[02:07:45] Speaker B: You should. Was talking at the end of the.
[02:07:47] Speaker E: Game, like, when they kicked the field goal made, I was like, ah, yeah. Everybody's, like, getting hyped around me and stuff, like, yeah. Hitting me and stuff.
[02:07:53] Speaker C: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I get it, man.
[02:07:55] Speaker A: People don't get it, man. King of the north is real. It's a big deal.
[02:07:59] Speaker E: I just lost King of the north, you know?
[02:08:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:08:01] Speaker B: John, was that. Was that Big Mike down there in Lancaster?
[02:08:04] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, it was Big Mike in Lancaster. Yeah, man. Had a really good time.
[02:08:07] Speaker B: Did Big Mike get a little loose?
[02:08:10] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
[02:08:13] Speaker A: He does that. He does that, does that.
But, yeah, so once. Once Cincinnati lost, unfortunately, John, you were out of it.
And it came down to me and Bone, because then we had opposite picks for the final game. And. And if I.
If. If the Steelers won this game, I would have tied. And then we go to our tiebreakers. And if the Ravens won, you would have won outright, Bone Loop. Obviously, the Steelers won because I picked them. And. And so it ended up being a tie. And it's coaching camps, right? Nope. Like I said, tiebreakers. So on the Burning River Sportscast, we don't believe in ties. That's why we came up with the tiebreakers. We hate ties.
[02:08:54] Speaker B: We hate ties.
[02:08:55] Speaker A: The first tiebreaker is our record on Browns games this year. So the.
[02:08:59] Speaker B: The.
[02:09:00] Speaker A: How you picked Browns games in your overall record for that this year.
And now let's break this down real quick. Weeks one through 16, Bone and I picked the exact same team for the Brown Browns game.
Week 18, we both picked the Browns.
So it came down to week 17, the Browns versus the Steelers.
And who'd you pick, week 17, bone?
[02:09:28] Speaker D: The Steelers.
[02:09:29] Speaker A: And I picked the Brown.
[02:09:30] Speaker B: Gosh darn it.
[02:09:32] Speaker E: That was the game.
[02:09:34] Speaker A: That was the game that won me King of the North. And may I add. May I add, the reason Bones picked the Steelers is because he felt jilted from earlier in the season because he had said the Browns were going to sweep the Steelers this. This year, and they lost the first game, and he was pissed off. So he said, for that reason alone, I'm going with the Steelers, and it cost him King of the north this year. So your. Is it 2025? I don't really know how we do this. 2025, 2026.
[02:10:00] Speaker B: Season four.
[02:10:01] Speaker A: The season four king of the north champion is myself, Ronnie Jams.
[02:10:06] Speaker B: I would cheer for you, but I hate you.
[02:10:08] Speaker A: I Know you do. So these guys. Yeah, yeah. Give me.
[02:10:11] Speaker C: I'm passing it right now.
[02:10:12] Speaker B: I don't think you can touch that crown right now. You have pink on it back.
[02:10:15] Speaker A: That's okay.
That's okay. It'll go away eventually. I can't wear it on my headphones, but I'll put it here.
But yeah. So I'm king of north champion. Let's not forget, Kenny, you're getting Brazilian wax.
[02:10:27] Speaker D: That's gonna hurt so bad.
[02:10:28] Speaker A: That's. That's the biggest thing here is. Is Kenny's getting a Brazilian wax.
Now we need to talk logistics off air and we need to figure out where we're going and how we're going to get John there and all this stuff. But we're all excited to make fun of you as you get a Brazilian wax.
[02:10:44] Speaker B: Thank you. Really looking forward to it.
[02:10:48] Speaker A: And don't worry for anybody listening, we are going to be recording this, putting a video out there.
[02:10:53] Speaker B: Maybe I will go mostly safe for work. Maybe mostly safe for work.
Maybe I'll go before our cruise so I can be more aerodynamic in the water.
[02:11:05] Speaker A: When you fall off the boat.
Yeah. So, John, it has been awesome having you this year. I hope you had a great time on King of the North.
I have to ask you, will you be back next year?
[02:11:17] Speaker E: I think we're gonna run it back next year.
[02:11:19] Speaker A: Guys, you came close. You almost tasted the. You tasted victory, got the crown.
[02:11:24] Speaker E: I know, right?
You know how when you go out for golf for the first time, you have one good shot, you're like, brings me back.
I need to come back out. So, yeah, I'm out.
[02:11:34] Speaker D: And all. It really came down to order of picking because I think John was going to pick the Browns, but I picked first.
[02:11:40] Speaker A: That's true.
[02:11:41] Speaker D: So if John would have picked before me, I would have picked the Bengals. I should have went through that simple.
[02:11:45] Speaker A: I should have went through and scored me against John because it wouldn't have dep. It wouldn't have mattered. Your guys is picking that game because I picked opposite the other game.
[02:11:52] Speaker B: See, here's your guys problem. You guys play all these games instead of just picking with your. Your brains and your.
[02:11:56] Speaker A: Yeah, if we picked with our brains and our hearts, we'd come in last place and get. Get all the punishments. So.
[02:12:01] Speaker E: And next year, instead of taking. Taking turns, we should write the pick on a piece of paper and then show it. So everybody picks at the same time so nobody can go off of anybody else's pick.
[02:12:11] Speaker B: Secret.
[02:12:12] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:12:13] Speaker B: I wonder if we can devise some kind of digital way to do that on this.
[02:12:16] Speaker E: Yeah. I mean, that's pretty ancient. Yeah.
[02:12:18] Speaker B: Like Jeopardy.
[02:12:19] Speaker A: I'm sure we can. I could probably just go in and have us. We'll figure it out. We don't need to patch this out here, guys. We will figure it out.
But that's. That's what we'll do next. Next year is we'll definitely. I'll just pull them at random them out of whatever thing we devised to get this done.
[02:12:35] Speaker B: Wasn't sure where you were going there.
[02:12:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:12:37] Speaker B: John, you said golf. Are you a big golfer?
[02:12:40] Speaker E: I am. Well, if you see my game, you wouldn't. You wouldn't think so, but I like to get out there a good amount.
[02:12:46] Speaker B: Yeah, we might have to have. We might have to plan the golf outing. Bernie. Sportscast Golf outing featuring John Hughes.
[02:12:54] Speaker E: That would be awesome. I'm sure I get a couple guys out there, have a good time, get.
[02:12:58] Speaker B: John and all his buddies, all John and Bonesaw together again.
[02:13:01] Speaker E: Right, right.
[02:13:02] Speaker A: I thought you were just gonna out bone saw and you're gonna be like, he was on so many steroids.
[02:13:09] Speaker B: I had 14 tackles in the game. Was tested tonight.
Never played another down in the NFL.
[02:13:16] Speaker A: I thought that's where you're going. I'm glad. I'm glad it didn't go that way.
[02:13:19] Speaker C: But.
[02:13:20] Speaker A: But yeah, we definitely. You got the gears turning for. For a golf outing for sure. Because we've been wanting to get into some charity work and raising some money.
[02:13:27] Speaker B: So, yeah, that would be.
[02:13:28] Speaker A: This could be good.
All right, John. Well, hey, listen, again, we appreciate you being on King of North. We appreciate you being a part of our show.
[02:13:36] Speaker B: I appreciate you kicking my ass this year.
[02:13:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, everybody did.
[02:13:41] Speaker B: No, I mean physically.
[02:13:42] Speaker A: Oh, physically, yeah. He did kick your ass. Yeah.
And we can't wait to have you on again next year, John. Now it's. We're getting to the off season, so. So take a break. You don't have to think about all the questions we're throwing at you or do anything for a while, and we'll come back stronger. Never next year.
[02:13:57] Speaker E: Sounds like a plan. Appreciate it, guys.
[02:13:59] Speaker A: Thanks, John.
[02:14:00] Speaker B: Thanks, John.
[02:14:00] Speaker E: All right, take it easy.
[02:14:02] Speaker A: All right, man. King of the North. I'm the champion. What can I say?
[02:14:07] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm not happy about that.
[02:14:10] Speaker A: We are the champions. Stupid Luke, my friend.
[02:14:14] Speaker D: Rookie piece of garbage. Couldn't make his king.
[02:14:17] Speaker A: We keep on fighting till the end. Man, you guys suck. Especially you. You're getting waxed.
[02:14:28] Speaker B: That was aggressive.
[02:14:29] Speaker A: Yeah, well, with that, let me remind everybody to call the Burning Sportscast hot take hotline. Hotline. No call. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Tell us how you feel about Kenny getting waxed.
[02:14:39] Speaker B: Feels good.
[02:14:41] Speaker A: Feels smooth.
[02:14:42] Speaker B: Feel so smooth.
[02:14:45] Speaker A: No hair. I mentioned it a little bit. Are you gonna. Are you going to get bleached while. While they're in there?
[02:14:49] Speaker B: I don't think that was a part of the punishment.
[02:14:51] Speaker A: No, I just wanted to know if you. I know you're considering it.
[02:14:54] Speaker B: You're you. I guess while they're under the hood, they might as well.
[02:14:58] Speaker A: Might as well take care of it.
[02:14:59] Speaker B: Now we got to find not only someone that's willing to rip the hair off my ass, but someone who's willing to die it.
[02:15:05] Speaker A: You're welcome.
[02:15:06] Speaker B: Who is this lucky lady?
[02:15:10] Speaker D: Oh.
[02:15:10] Speaker A: The number to call for the hot take hotline.
[02:15:12] Speaker B: 3302-2780-8133-0227-8081 oh.
[02:15:17] Speaker A: 330-2278-081330-22781 Call now. We're not standing by. We'll put you on the air. If you don't, we'll kick you in.
[02:15:24] Speaker B: The Jimmy's right in the haslams.
[02:15:26] Speaker A: And be sure to check out our gear. Www.stroke again.
[02:15:30] Speaker B: Neural link.
[02:15:31] Speaker A: Yep. That'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect next week?
[02:15:34] Speaker B: I'll tell you what you can expect next week, and you can expect us not to be live on Sunday night for the first time all year since the Browns are done. We are done. No live shows. Live shows are over for the season. Well, we may do like a live show randomly, like if something happens.
[02:15:49] Speaker A: No, they're over for the season. In the off season, we might do one. Like we might do our draft special or whatever.
[02:15:53] Speaker B: As season deadlines, these things are arbitrary. I don't know. Sometimes we go. We'll be live if we're live, but we're not gonna. We don't have any planned scheduled lives for. For the foreseeable future until. Until the Browns start again next season.
But next Thursday we'll be back with our Browns season recap. Actually, probably next Friday, to be honest with you.
[02:16:13] Speaker A: Yeah, next Friday. Next Friday.
[02:16:15] Speaker B: Because I'm out of town a little bit. But we'll be back with our Brown season recap next Friday. Browns news updates as the coaching search continues. And maybe we'll get some interviews, maybe North Jersey. We'll work out whatever's going on with Menachem and big angry Bobby. Big angry, Big angry Bobby. Now, he's not just angry. He's big.
We'll see what happens.
[02:16:35] Speaker A: That's really mean coming from you.
[02:16:38] Speaker B: Down 102 pounds but still fat.
[02:16:39] Speaker A: He got over. No way.
[02:16:41] Speaker B: Triple digits.
[02:16:42] Speaker A: No way.
[02:16:43] Speaker B: We're getting there.
[02:16:44] Speaker D: Strong work, Kenson.
[02:16:45] Speaker B: Long way to go, but we're getting there stuff.
[02:16:47] Speaker A: You're still fat, though.
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[02:17:26] Speaker B: Facts for.
[02:17:45] Speaker A: Kenny. What are your fat today?
[02:17:48] Speaker B: Look, here's the thing.
January 6th is an infamous anniversary for many.
[02:17:56] Speaker A: Okay?
[02:17:58] Speaker B: But January 5th is the day that Kevin Stefanski got fired. And Browns fans all over the world were liberated.
[02:18:08] Speaker A: We were liberated.
[02:18:09] Speaker B: And so, in order to honor this special special day so that we can all rejoice, Kevin Stefanski.
[02:18:17] Speaker A: Facts.
[02:18:18] Speaker B: I have no facts. Other than the most important fact, which is Kevin Stefanski has been fired.
[02:18:23] Speaker C: Nice.
[02:18:24] Speaker B: That is the fact of the day, period. It's been years that we've been waiting for this to happen. So great finally occurred.
Browns fans finally have new life, a new lease on life. The opportunity and the hope and optimism.
[02:18:38] Speaker A: It's back.
[02:18:39] Speaker B: Better things to come with Kevin Stefanski gone. So that is my fact for today, January 5th, a day that will forever live in whatever the opposite of infamy is for me. For me.
[02:18:55] Speaker A: And do you know what that sounds like?
Perfect timing.
[02:18:58] Speaker B: Perfect timing.
[02:19:00] Speaker E: Yeah.
[02:19:00] Speaker B: Good timing. Yeah. Good job.
[02:19:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
That's it.
[02:19:05] Speaker B: That's it. That's all we got.
[02:19:07] Speaker D: End of the season.
[02:19:08] Speaker A: Bone, how do you feel?
[02:19:10] Speaker D: I am sleepy, as usual. It's 11:30 on school night.
[02:19:14] Speaker B: Sorry, Bo.
[02:19:15] Speaker A: Sorry, Bo. Sorry.
[02:19:17] Speaker B: Crispy Bone's gonna have to quit the show just because he's like, I can't stay out that late anymore, guys.
[02:19:22] Speaker D: I know. I've enjoyed it. This I. I don't get up as early as I used to, so I can survive but it's been a good season.
[02:19:28] Speaker A: You told them you're not coming in early for work anymore?
[02:19:30] Speaker D: Yeah, I just use sick time.
[02:19:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:19:32] Speaker D: Yeah. Sorry, guys. I was podcasting.
[02:19:34] Speaker B: Well, we appreciate.
We appreciate you being here.
[02:19:37] Speaker D: Bon appetit to the both of you.
[02:19:40] Speaker A: Thank you.
[02:19:42] Speaker B: And on this day where we have no problems because Kevin Stefanski has been fired, don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[02:19:50] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
[02:19:56] Speaker B: Burning River Sportscast. She had dumps like a truck, truck, truck. Guy's like, what? What?
[02:20:04] Speaker D: What?
[02:20:04] Speaker B: Baby, move your butt.
[02:20:05] Speaker D: But, but, but.
[02:20:06] Speaker B: All night long.
Let me see them.
Cisco out.
[02:20:19] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:20:20] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:20:21] Speaker D: Good night, Akron.
[02:20:23] Speaker A: Quiet on set.
[02:20:24] Speaker C: I now have two loves in my life.
[02:20:28] Speaker A: Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:20:36] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:20:40] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:20:43] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:20:45] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sports C. Motorboat. You play the motorboat?
[02:20:59] Speaker C: You motorboat?
[02:21:00] Speaker A: Son of a.
[02:21:01] Speaker B: You old seal.
[02:21:02] Speaker E: Are you.
[02:21:02] Speaker B: You know what I was thinking during that interview?
[02:21:04] Speaker A: What? What were you? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts? Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:21:08] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:21:09] Speaker A: My name is Utrit. Son of Utrit. The way I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:21:16] Speaker B: Women's Guide to To Anal Sex and it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[02:21:22] Speaker D: The weather outside is weather.
[02:21:24] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger.
[02:21:25] Speaker B: Eating food.
[02:21:26] Speaker A: Fingers. Oh my God. My ass is full of she.
[02:21:31] Speaker C: Everywhere.
[02:21:32] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:21:33] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:21:35] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:21:35] Speaker A: Oh, no.
We're suck again.
[02:21:38] Speaker D: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:21:41] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[02:21:42] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[02:21:43] Speaker D: That's right.
[02:21:44] Speaker A: Touchdown.
What do you mean funny?
[02:21:46] Speaker E: Funny how?
[02:21:47] Speaker C: How am I funny?
[02:21:47] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:21:50] Speaker B: Timber.
[02:21:53] Speaker A: Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like the meat pod.
Slow roasted.
[02:22:01] Speaker C: The leads are weak.
[02:22:03] Speaker A: Leads are weak. Fucking leads are weak.
[02:22:06] Speaker C: You're weak.
[02:22:07] Speaker B: That we should send a team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that, when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:22:16] Speaker C: No browns, baby.
[02:22:18] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what.
[02:22:20] Speaker C: Erroneous.
[02:22:21] Speaker A: Erroneous on both counts. I mean, when I last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:22:28] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:22:28] Speaker A: But damn.
[02:22:29] Speaker B: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:22:34] Speaker A: You know why, mister?
[02:22:36] Speaker B: Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:22:38] Speaker A: I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:22:50] Speaker D: It's Mother Nature.
[02:22:51] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:22:54] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love to cheese girl. We need cheese girl now. Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson. Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[02:23:05] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:23:06] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people.
[02:23:09] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:23:11] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:23:14] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:23:18] Speaker B: What sa your sister.
[02:23:20] Speaker D: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:23:25] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[02:23:26] Speaker A: That's cool, man. Whatever.
[02:23:28] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no.
[02:23:32] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
[02:23:39] Speaker C: Is this not why you?
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