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But on today, on the show this week, you can look forward to. We got a recap of today's Week 13 loss against the Forty Niners, a closer look at the offense, defense and that God awful special teams.
Our nominees for dog of the week, Shador Sanders, second game is Cleveland starter, first against a solid team and first at home.
S' more Sanders vs Gabriel talk just more so along the lines of was there growth wish it or Sanders and where we stand with this whole who should play, who should finish the season, those types of things and then what we think is going to happen as the season progresses and I'm sure there's probably going to be more in there. We're probably going to go off the rails at some point.
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Yeah. So let's go ahead and jump into it the Week 13 recap. And let's start with the elephant in the room. The special teams units are complete ass.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: They were really good today.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: No, they weren't. They were. Literally, it was, this might legitimately be like the worst special teams play of all time.
Of all time. I've never seen so many complete breakdowns of a special team. Not just one special team. You know, all the special teams units in so short a time period like over the last several weeks of the season, they've lost us at least three games.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: They certainly lost this one.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
So let's, let's talk about it. There was the muff punt. They gave up the big return.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: I wouldn't even call it a muff punt. I would say it was more like, you know, a bump in volleyball. Like he, he just, he just bumped, bumped it to the other team.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: It was the, it was the past punt.
He passed it to them lateral. We gave up the big return.
And then Malachi Corley fielding the ball at the five yard line that led to just a series of gaffes. And just terrible, terrible moments for them that resulted in another touchdown after a 29 yard punt.
[00:05:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean the first one hurt.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: So I guess add that. That's a fourth one 29 yard punt.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: So Sky Moore had 69 yards returning punts today. 66 of those came on one return and that one. And that one hurt because that was the one that kind of put you behind the eight ball from the start.
Obviously it goes without saying, like this was a bad weather game, so that was going to make things difficult. And playing from behind early was. Was not a positive for this Browns team to have to try to put the ball in the air.
So it hurts to start with spotting them seven and then seven and then you have the, the muffed punt, the. The lateral punt. So now you spot them 14 there because you gave them the ball in good field position. And then you know, obviously the, the fielding the kick that. I mean that ball was going to go out of bounds. I mean that should have been advantage Browns. That should have been a kick interference or whatever they call it.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: Listen, if we've got a good situation, we can find a way to make it bad.
We can do it.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: They definitely did. So I think if you looked at the starting. They put the starting field position on the. The screen. There was a graphic somewhere near the beginning of the fourth quarter in the average. They basically position for the 49ers was around the 41 or the 42 yard line and for the Browns was around the 21 or the 22 yard line. So.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah, so we're basically starting at the 20 and they're basically starting at midfield every time.
[00:06:55] Speaker A: Yeah, so just put yourself behind the eight ball there basically on every possession. So on. Well, on all the possessions that mattered.
So yeah, really bad. I mean, this is not the first time that we've had issues with special teams all year long. To your point, it's cost us a couple of games. Bad special teams play how Bubba Ventrone is still cashing a paycheck.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that's actually my very next bullet point. Fire Bubba Ventrone immediately.
[00:07:24] Speaker A: They won't though, because this isn't a serious football team and it's not a serious organization and they're not going. There's no accountability here.
And you know, and to be fair, like Andrew Barry owns some culpability here as well for not having. I mean, look, we talked about Schmidt early in the year. I mean he's, you know, done. Done better, you know, following a rough start, but he owns culpability here because he didn't do anything to address these positions in the off season. I don't know why consistently, year after year, we're the only football team that can't fair catch a punt.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: We're the worst at it. We just don't even address it. We're like, yeah, the special teams are pretty bad last year. Yeah, okay.
Like, it's not even like we're. We're thinking about addressing. We're just like, yeah, we, yeah, we just keep it rolling. Let's keep. Keep doing what we're doing.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: Do what you're doing.
[00:08:15] Speaker B: It's kind of the same thing. We've talked about this a lot. It's basically the same thing on offense. I mean, they just, they just keep focusing on the defense year after year in the draft. And I mean, don't get me wrong, that's paid off.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: Are we going defense is phenomenal offense now?
[00:08:27] Speaker B: Yeah, but no, we're not going there. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, we're there. What else can you talk about with the. With special teams? They're so bad. They literally spotted them 21 points.
[00:08:36] Speaker A: And I mean, the thing is, like, those are like the, the fielding, the punt at the five yard line, like, or the kick. Like, those are, those are coaching points. Right. Like that's. You gotta know to let that ball go or you got to know it. Hey, first off, don't. Don't feel that. That deep like, and, or have your foot on the sideline. Right. I mean, you got to be halfway in, halfway out so that you get the kick interference. So it's just mental. There's mental gaffes over and over and over again.
[00:09:04] Speaker B: It's just amazing seeing like, you'll see the replays of. I know the Chiefs do it every once in a while where they'll have the guy lay down and put his feet out of bounds and touch the ball.
[00:09:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: And it's like, oh, look, a penalty.
Meanwhile, you got the Browns doing this shit.
[00:09:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. We just catch it at the five.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: We just play a completely different game. We're like, ah, we don't know how.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: To do this on our way out of bounds. Let's catch the ball.
[00:09:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my God.
Yeah. And speaking of that, you know, they spotted him 21 points, so let's go ahead and go to the offense because that was so much better.
Not.
Listen, Stefanski's scheme is the all time worst scheme I've ever seen in my life.
Like, it's.
I. I don't even know what we're doing half the time. And I'm going to start with the, the worst one of the day, which before I even get there, I want to say I know Tommy Reese is calling the plays now. I get it. I understand. It's time.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Still Stefanski's playbook.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: It's still Stefanski's offense. It's still his scheme. It's still terrible.
4th and 1 on our own 20.
Let's put everyone under center except for our starting quarterback.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: Yeah, the guy that never, never gets the ball in a snap. Yeah, that's good.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: Yeah. The. Technically, the backup tight end, Harold Fannin is who's getting the snap. The direct. Not a, not a shotgun snap where he's got a chance to re to it. No, no, no. We're just going to give him a direct like under center snap and have him try basically QB sneaking.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: Let's rewind this for a second. Because even before that, what bothered me about that play was you were bringing in some kind of jumbo package, right. They were running extra offensive linemen onto the field. The offensive lineman that was coming in from the sideline was running across the field with 14 seconds left on the play clock. Meaning they hadn't. It was.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: Why it wasn't.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: I don't, I don't remember who it was. But they.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Teller.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: They hadn't got the play call in with 14 seconds left because they were still bringing players in, bringing personnel in.
So the whole play from the get was busted because they were running against the clock. And a good coach would have just said, hey, this is a cluster. We got to take a time out here to get this thing right. I'm going to try to. If we're going to take a high risk, high reward opportunity here to try and convert on 4th and short, we need to make sure it's right. And they couldn't even get that done. So fail on. On Stefanski, fail on Tommy Reese, fail.
[00:11:34] Speaker B: On like, yeah, and you can put whatever you want on Tommy Reese, but at that point in time in the game.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a Stefanski.
[00:11:40] Speaker B: When everything's jumbled, that's all ahead. That's the head coach's job. He's supposed to look at it.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: He's the one that can call.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: Everybody is way out of it right now. We're out of sorts. We don't understand what's going on. We need to call timeout and regroup. And at that point, you probably just punt. Honestly, like, well, or take the time.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: Out and get the play, get the play called right and get the right personnel group in and get everybody set.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: Well, I'll say this. I don't even have. I don't have a problem with the sneak. I don't to me. But you. You use your starting quarterback. You just go under center.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: Like, the Eagles have the tush push. They. I talk about this all the time. Everybody wants to ban the tush push. And I'm like, we can't ban the tush push just because they got really good at it. Meanwhile, we got the Browns, who don't even know how to run a QB sneak. We. We put a tight end under there, and we're like, will this work? You think this is good? And then we wonder two things. We wonder, oh, we're so surprised that he couldn't handle the snap.
Like, no. No way.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: He dropped it immediately put it on the ground.
[00:12:35] Speaker B: And then on top of that, it's. You got Kevin Stefanski, one that didn't call the timeout on the sideline. Then two has the nerve to sit on the. The sideline and just shake his head like, I can't believe we didn't get that.
Like, no shit.
[00:12:50] Speaker A: It's just not. I mean, it was fourth and inches. It's not a. If you're gonna. If you're gonna have the brass tacks to go for it, man up and go for it, put your quarterback behind the center and get your big boys mauling and go, this is one more of those. One foot.
[00:13:04] Speaker B: This is just one more of those times, though, that. That Kevin Stefanski thinks he's the smartest man in the room. He's like, nobody's gonna see this coming. And even if it's not him, even if it's Tommy Reese at this point, that's a problem. Now I don't want Tommy Reese anywhere near this. This ball club, like, ever again, because this defansky mentality has bled into Tommy Reese.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, we saw that. Because there were plenty of reverses in today's game.
[00:13:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that was my next point. The return to the reverse. And. And. And let's talk about that for a second.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: Right?
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Because how. How much did those reverses go for, Kenny?
[00:13:35] Speaker A: I mean, I think they each went for eight or nine yards. So they were positive plays.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: Positive plays, but they were literally the highest level difficulty plays that we could run. Like we said, let's. Let's run it as far behind the line of scrimmage. So your.
[00:13:47] Speaker A: Your.
[00:13:48] Speaker B: Your risk reward here. Like, you could lose 25 or you could gain nine, apparently.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:55] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:13:55] Speaker A: And that was a Lateral. If I. If I recall correctly, the first one, the reverse.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: So you go, you can fumble it, you could lose 10, 15, 20, 25 yards, or you can get nine yards, almost a first down. That's pretty good.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the Kevin Stefanski offense, right? So.
But look, this team just week in and week out, I mean. I mean, this is exactly what they do. This is.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: This is what we said it went from. Well, we won't get there yet. Let's. Do you want to. Look, should we talk about Shador a little bit?
[00:14:28] Speaker A: Just to round this out? Like, it was the tale of two halves to an extent, because the first half was. Was done pretty well. There was a good mix of run and pass, and they were moving the ball. They just couldn't finish drives, which isn't new for this football team. You have a rookie quarterback, bad weather, all these types of things. Like, okay, understandable. And frankly, it should have been 8 to 7 going into halftime. You give them the ball back with, I don't know, what, 39 seconds or something at the end of the half and a couple of defensive breakdowns there that. That led to the kick that really, he almost missed. So, you know, it is what it is. You go to halftime 10 to 8, and.
And then it just seemed like in the second half, it was. Seemed like we were trying to play some kind of ball control game. I mean, frankly, we didn't have a lot of possessions because we turned the ball over I think three times in the second half. So.
Or at least went three and out and had a couple turnovers. So you just didn't have a lot of possessions to go around, but they just did nothing in that second half.
It's just really bad offense.
[00:15:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was tough to watch and it was. I mean, you kind of.
You said basically we came back from the half and it went from being a really fun game to just being pissed off that we're watching the Browns again before the third quarter was even over.
[00:15:45] Speaker A: And I may have this wrong, so I guess don't kill me if it was. If it was wrong, if I'm wrong. But San Francisco returned the opening kickoff, so I assumed that San Francisco won the toss. I'm not sure why the Browns didn't pick to defend going with the wind in the fourth quarter.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: I mean, it's a good question. I'm. You said that, and I didn't get a chance to really look it up and see you had texted me that, and I didn't get a Chance to look it up and really check the accuracy on that. If that's the case, though, I mean, it's just another notch in the.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: I'm not certain. I thought I recalled receivers after winning the toss, so it just seemed odd that they were.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: They definitely did. I know that for sure. They won the toss and they elected to receive.
[00:16:31] Speaker A: It seemed odd then that we didn't choose to go with the wind in the fourth quarter, thinking, hey, if we're down in this game and it. To throw the ball, we'd rather do it with the wind than into the wind.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: You think we want to win?
[00:16:42] Speaker A: Well, no, I guess that's probably the bigger problem.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah, it was. It was awful in the second half, and it just.
It amazes me. I've been a Browns fan for this long, and it still amazes me how quickly it goes from like, yeah, this is fun. I'm having a good time watching this game, to I hate the Browns.
Like, every. Like, week after week. That's what happens. Turns on the dime, man, and I'm just. I'm. I'm sick of it. But, you know, what can. What can you do? I don't.
I'm a Browns fan forever, and it's going to be like this for a long time.
But, yeah, Shador Sanders, let's talk about him, because obviously that's. That's. That's the big.
That's what everybody's talking about. So, I mean, how did you think he did today?
[00:17:25] Speaker A: Well, I was gonna say. Let.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts first, to be honest, because I have some thoughts here.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: Honestly, I thought that overall, he actually had a solid day. I mean, you got to remember, we were in a monsoon. It was just a windstorm today.
I don't know if monsoon's the right word, maybe just a tornado, but we were.
It was. It was bad weather. Yeah, it was bad weather.
And he was 16 of 25. He was fairly accurate, if you're looking at stats. I know there was a couple bad throws in there. I'm not excusing those. There was a couple really bad throws, a couple bad misses.
But Overall, he was 16. 25 for 149 yards in the touchdown. He didn't turn the ball over at all.
He took three sacks. And I. I texted you during the game. I said, he's got to get rid of the ball there. At least two of those were on him. I would say the other one was probably just that the offensive line sucks, so.
But I know at least two of them Were probably on him holding the ball a little bit longer than he needed to. And the one was in the first half. So I was like, what do you like?
It was definitely on him because it wasn't like he was trying to make something happen. It was just like, this is. You need to get rid of the ball and at least throw it away.
[00:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that was the third and third and long. Right. So it was. Or was it even? Was it, was it third or fourth? It was, it was, it was a.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: It was, it was a third down. We punted after that.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah, because. And, and so that one, like, I don't even have a problem with him. Not necessarily throwing the ball into traffic there. I mean, how many quarterbacks convert third and 15 or third and 16? It's, it's, it's rare anyway, so taking a sack there doesn't kill you, but agree. I mean, look, those are the things that have to continue to be cleaned up about his game for sure is the whole.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So I mean that was my big takeaway overall though. I mean, it wasn't going into this game. As soon as I heard it was going to be 30, 40 mile an hour winds all day, I was like, well, there's no evaluation today. Like you can't, it's not going to matter.
He actually played better after I heard what the, what the conditions were going to be.
He played better than I expected him to play going into it. So yeah, I mean I don't, I don't give him really a plus or a minus on this day as a whole. I give him just, I mean he did what he had to do. I don't think he cost us the game. I think it's very clear the special teams, it was very clearly the special teams that caused us this game and Kevin Stefanski's and Tommy Reese going for it on that fourth down and just giving him the ball on the 20 yard line. So I mean those things combined, that's basically all 26 of their points. Besides that, the defense did their job. They held everybody.
Like I said, Store didn't turn the ball over. So I think he did well managing the game. In a game where you don't put up stats, you just don't.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: So I mean, I don't know. What did you see today?
[00:20:21] Speaker A: So I guess I would start with this because I think I have maybe a little, a little different take.
The first thing I would say is there's a lot of box score warriors out in full force on the Internet right now. Immediately following the game, everybody was looking at the box score going, see, See, I told you he sucks. This guy's the worst. I thought he was him. I thought he was the one you were waiting for. He's awful.
All these things.
There's easier ways to say I'm a, I'm a dumbass, I don't watch football and I have an IQ of 34. You could just put that in the comments instead, because if you watched this game, I thought Shador Sanders played exceptional. Did he make mistakes? Yeah, we talked about those. He's gotta, gotta get rid of the ball on some of those plays that he held. But at the end of the day, he took three sacks.
Those three sacks didn't win or lose you the game. I've seen games where Miles has five by himself. So this was not anywhere close to the worst quarterback or worst sack, you know, issue that I've ever seen with a quarterback.
But I would say that I think he played exceptional because I didn't see a lot of bad throws out there today. I thought he ran the offense inside of the offense. He, he did his job, which is to facilitate and, and get the ball out. He was relatively accurate. 16, 25, 149. And the touchdown, the throw to Fannin was exceptional.
But I think if you're watching this, if you, if you were looking at this in just the box score and you say, well, geez, that was a shitty performance.
Let me look today and see in games in similar weather, which there weren't very many because a lot of teams play in domes, a lot of teams play in warmer weather climates. So there were two games that I would point you to outside of the game in Cleveland today, which was the Bills and the Steelers that were in Pittsburgh. So that was probably the most like Cleveland's weather today. Right? They're just a couple hours outside of Cleveland. So the swirling winds and the cold, and then the game in New York, the Falcons and, and jets, and if you look through just the other quarterbacks that played in similar weather today, Brock Purdy starting In Cleveland was 16, 29, 168 and a touchdown. Pretty much this almost the same stat line as Shador Josh Allen, 15, 23 for 123 yards, one touchdown, one interception. Okay, so that's worse.
Aaron Rodgers, 10 of 21, 117 yards.
If you think Aaron Rodgers sucks. Mason Rudolph did get in the game. He went over three with a pick.
[00:23:13] Speaker B: Of course he did. He's terrible.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: Kirk Cousins was 21 of 33, 234 one touchdown. Okay, not bad. And to Rod Taylor, 19 of 33, 172 and one touchdown. So they were out in New York again, similar weather. Out of all of those guys, only Kirk Cousins had a higher quarterback rating today than Shador Sanders.
And you can say what you want about all those guys, right? A little bit of journeyman, a little bit here and there with to Rod and these guys. But Josh Allen, probable Hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers. Hall of Famer Kirk Cousins has a winning record to Rod Taylor is the only one out of those quarterbacks that I mentioned that that doesn't have a winning record. And he's close. He's close to.500. He's 45 and 52 as a pro.
So you can say again what you want about all those other quarterbacks, but I don't see anybody else jumping on Reddit boards and on Facebook and on, on Instagram and Twitter right now saying, Josh Allen is the worst, Aaron Rodgers is the worst.
[00:24:11] Speaker B: Right? Right.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: Those guys have 425 NFL wins between them.
So you can miss me with like, those guys suck because they don't.
So when you compare apples to apples, similar elements, similar environment, it was a game that lent itself to a lot of running, a lot of rushing attempts. The Browns have averaged over the last 32 games, 23 rush attempts per game. Today they had 31.
San Francisco had 33 rush attempts.
The jets had 28. Falcons had 32. Jesus. The Bills at 51.
This was, this was weather that required you to run the ball a lot. It was not a, an air raid type of day for anyone. None of these quarterbacks fared particularly well in the elements. But somehow, some way, Shador Sanders is the only one catching heat. Like, he sucks because he had a so so day on the box score. So all those things considered, I think he played exceptionally well.
Let's also not forget, just along with the elements, Buffalo missed an extra point in our game. That was the guy hit the upright. I mean, this was a bad weather day. This was a tough day for quarterbacks. So given all those things, I think Shador played exceptionally well. I think the scheme is terrible, the offensive line is terrible.
Those are all things that Dylan Gabriel had to deal with as well.
But I, I other, other. All things considered, I thought he played a really nice, clean football game, took care of the ball, got to clean up a few things here and there. So for a rookie quarterback in your second start to come out there and play as well as all those other guys that have 425 combined NFL wins, he looks like he belongs. And that's all that I can ask for right now. I continue to say I don't know if he's a franchise quarterback. I don't know if he's the goat. I don't. He's certainly. I don't know that. I can't say he's Tom Brady. What I can say is he's the best quarterback on this Browns roster right now. He deserves to start for the rest of the year. And frankly, I don't see a quarterback in this year's draft class that is better today than Shador Sanders is. And so I don't see the reason or the logic behind picking one of these guys that we're kind of not sure about going into next year. I think just give Shador another year under center. Give him the full off season, and if he's as bad as everyone thinks he is, you're going to. You're going to win three games and you'll pick top five in the draft. You get your quarterback, then if you don't win three games, he's decent. You want some games? So you might have something there.
[00:26:58] Speaker B: Yep. Real quick, before I comment on all that, shout out to David Schoonover, Steven Plummer, and everybody else watching on Facebook. We're having a technical difficulty where, once again, the Facebook comments aren't coming through like they're supposed to. So I'm trying to monitor here. But yes, David, we should have won in special teams. Cost us a game.
No. So I was. That's what I was laughing at when he first started talking.
Yeah, I mean, you mentioned the Shador hate. So I had multiple people come back at me this week on our social media and tell me that there is no Shador hate, that this is just a fabricated thing by the media and that people don't hate Shador. They want them to succeed. And I'm like, yo, if you could see the comments that I see.
Like, I. I get the comments. I'm the one that gets all the notifications and I see it happening real time.
Like, people hate him for no reason.
Right. Like today, for example, like you're talking about, there's people I saw on. On both X and Instagram and Facebook, I saw it on every platform today.
The mist of Harold Fannin. I think it was down towards the end zone, towards the end of the game. Is that who. Who he missed? I. He threw it real short. I can't remember who he was thrown to.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: I don't recall the play.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: It was A he rolled out to the right and he threw it short of, of somebody down towards the end zone. But anyways, they point there, they're putting that on replay and they're saying, I just don't know if this guy has the arm strength to play in Cleveland.
Excuse me, if you didn't say that same shit about Dylan Gabriel, you cannot say that about Shador Sanders because one earlier in the game, the other big, big miss that he had was the one to Jerry Judy. And at the time, I believe we were going with the wind and it just sailed on him. And two things on that play, one I wanted to ask you, and we'll get to this part in a minute, but there's people that are saying Jerry Judy stops running on that play.
There's people that are saying that Shador Sanders sailed it.
Either way, I'm somewhere in the middle. Here's where I'm at with the whole thing is that's a low percentage throw for a reason. It rarely works out. So something went wrong. It doesn't really matter who missed. The timing was off. And you've got to remember this is the second floor full week of getting reps with the starters for Shador Sanders. So, yeah, something was a little bit off. It doesn't really matter. I don't think it was one player's fault or the others. More so I just think it was a missed play. And it happens sometimes. And you can't, we can't micro analyze a rookie quarterback and say every single throw if you didn't make it your ass. Like that's not how it works.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:41] Speaker B: Dylan Gabriel, me and you and our show judged him because over the course of however many weeks it was, he threw the ball in the dirt over and over again. He threw passes behind the line of scrimmage, over guys, heads over and over again like the guy was terrible.
This is two throws in one game where the weather was trash, where you're gonna question his arm talent when he's throwing into the wind, rolling out to the right like 40 yards and it was a little bit short. You're gonna tell me he can't play in Cleveland, he doesn't have the arm strength. And then at the same time, earlier in the game, he overthrows Jerry Judy. Something down downfield doesn't just overthrow him, overthrows him downfield. Something Dylan Gabriel has never been able to do to anybody.
And you're going to tell me on one hand he doesn't have the arm strength, but on the other he should have made that Throw and.
But I just don't get it. Like, it doesn't jive.
[00:30:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I think you're 100% right on the Jerry Judy throw. I think it was probably a little bit of both. I think the ball definitely did sail. I do think that Jerry Judy was not running full tilt.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: I think he thought he was getting held or something. I think is what happened.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: Stopped running, but it certainly didn't look like he was. He was pedal down.
Here's the other thing, too.
Let's not act like Jerry Judy is Randy Moss.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: By all measurable accounts, he's the worst receiver in the NFL this year.
[00:31:01] Speaker A: Jerry Judy has had a terrible year. He's dropped every worst number one receiver. I mean, even if it hit you, Jerry Judy in the hands, who's to say you would have caught it?
So I don't put a lot of stock in, like, oh, like, he missed a wide open guy. How did he, like, you know, who knows? To your point, Low percentage play.
What I do like about it is he took the shot. The ball was there. We tried to stretch the field. That was something that we didn't see any of with with Dylan Gabriel. So, you know, a credit there at least. But again, to your point, the guy's had, what, five or six practices with. With Jerry Judy in general. So there's no chemistry there. And Jerry Judy's not a stud and hasn't played well this year.
I saw. I don't know if you saw. There was a clip of Jerry Judy and Shador getting into it on the sideline.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
[00:31:47] Speaker A: I don't know what it.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: Scroll down, Kenny.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:31:49] Speaker B: Follow. Follow with the show notes here.
[00:31:51] Speaker A: I don't know of that.
[00:31:52] Speaker B: What.
[00:31:53] Speaker A: What play that was specifically. But. But he kind of got into his face a little bit, and an offensive lineman stood up and was like, hey, cool it, bro. It was pochic that stood up at the point that an offensive lineman stands up. And that tells me, well, you could.
[00:32:07] Speaker B: You could read his lips. So I'll bring that up. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Specifically, it was.
They were both kind of hovered over the iPad, and Jerry Judy's yelling at him, and you can. You can read his lips. And he says, just throw it. Just throw it. And Shador is pointing to the iPad. He's like, look, there's a guy here. There's like, this is why I can't throw it. And he just keeps saying over and over again, just throw it. Just throw it. It's like, dude, I'm that's not how you play football. And Shador knows that. Shador takes care of the ball, so.
And to your point, like, what is that accomplishing? I mean, you're the. Again, know your place. Like, I know this dude's a. A rookie quarterback that's just getting his feet under him, but you're the worst number one receiver in the NFL this year. Like, just go sit down and shut up.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: Well, and I think, to your point, right, I think that's what it was. I think Shador was saying, hey, here's the coverage. Here's why I didn't go there.
Which tells me then at the point that the offensive lineman got involved, that Judy was the one being shitty and.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: Shador was defending because he didn't tell Shadow back, basically.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: And. And let's be honest here about the game plan. We know that Kevin Stefanski puts a premium on protecting the football. So Shador has to be very, very careful if he wants to continue to play. Has to be very, very careful and very, very selective about the times that he does want to be aggressive and take a shot.
[00:33:30] Speaker B: And he said at the end of the game in the press conference when they asked him about, does he agree with Kevin Stefanski's aggressiveness? And he's like, that's a rude question. I'm not answering that. Yeah, I don't want to get into it with my coach, and I want to keep playing.
So that's his mentality right now is I want to continue to be the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.
[00:33:47] Speaker A: So, yeah, they asked specifically about the fourth down there, whether he thought that was a good call. And it's like, no player in their right mind is going to answer that.
And, yeah, I mean, I think, to your point, like, I think that is a part of the game plan that is protective. Football is. Is. Is a premium on that. And I think that he's taking his cues on shots, probably from Tommy Reese and Stefanski, when, during the game, to say, hey, here's an opportunity where I think we might have a chance to take a shot. You know, get. Get through your reads on this one.
So I don't think that he's just going out there freewheeling right now. He's in his second start.
Like, that's not a guy that's going out there. Just, you know, when Joe Flacco was here two years ago, that was. Throw it. That was more the mindset. Joe Flacco was like, what are they gonna do, fire me?
[00:34:32] Speaker B: I think that's where Jerry. Judy, it's Jerry Judy's missing it. He's like, Joe Flacco literally just threw it, like.
[00:34:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: But. Yeah, so. And let's not forget it. One more thing I want to bring up here. Just because Stefanik Stefanski is ass. And we haven't had enough fire Stefanski talk lately because Shadora has kind of quieted everything down.
Let's not forget that the overthrow the. The.
[00:34:57] Speaker A: Or.
[00:34:58] Speaker B: Or the Jerry Judy, stop running. However you want to look at it. I don't really care.
On that play, there was two receivers within three yards of each other.
[00:35:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Scheme, scheme, scheme, scheme. You don't run receivers in routes next to each other. So there was either a. That was a busted play or that is a part of a really poor scheme to have two wide receivers running side by side down the field.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: It's been. It's been a consistent thing since Kevin Stefanski has been the coach of the Cleveland Browns. I can't tell you how many times during a game. Every single game, I count and I'm like, why are there two, sometimes three receivers within five yards of each other?
[00:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: It's the worst spacing ever.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: All that does is allow one person to cover three.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:42] Speaker A: If you turn around and your teammate is next to you when you're running a route, something is wrong. That is not. That's not.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: And they wonder why our quarterbacks are continually turning the ball over.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: We create traffic to throw into. Yeah.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: Why.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: Why would you not?
[00:35:59] Speaker A: But. But all that said, too, let's also keep in mind that, like, San Francisco is a good football team. They're banged up on defense, I'll give them that. But they're a good football team. They've got eight or nine wins. So, again, all things considered, whether statistically, Shador played about as well as he could play today. And I think the pacing of the game, the special teams turnovers, like, those things took any opportunity for him to really try and mount any kind of significant comeback away.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think at the end of the game there, I mean, if. If our special teams weren't the assiest of asses, you know, he's in the game. It just looks completely different if this is. If this comes down to the wire and it's, you know, the game finishes even if we don't score any more points. But it's like 13 to 8.
Like, everyone's saying he played pretty well because we were in the game the whole time. So the fact that late they pulled, you know, that with special teams and then the defense giving Up a field goal or whatever. It was late. They pulled away a little bit. Like it, it looks worse on the scoreboard than it does the actual game because remember, it was 10 to 8 at halftime, right? And I know there's no moral victories in football. Like, it doesn't matter. But when you're evaluating rookie quarterbacks objectively and seeing how they actually played, you have to take every single aspect of the game and what happened into account. So.
[00:37:24] Speaker A: And I have, I have two final things on this one.
Thinking about evaluating your rookie quarterbacks, man, I was like, we just had a dome.
[00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. All this, all this about how it once again comes true is before the game, my mom actually stopped over my house. She goes, how the Browns gonna do? I was like, ah, we're gonna lose.
And I said, I picked him to win, but we're gonna lose.
And I said, I picked him to win specifically because I was like, well, 49ers aren't good against the pass. Shador is going to get a chance to actually show what he can do here and, and rack up some passing yards and hopefully get some stuff done. And then, you know, Obviously there was 30, 40 mile an hour winds. So I was like, well, that's out the window. So we don't have that going for us. We're going to lose. We're probably going to get killed. And I, I told her, I said, it's just another one of those times where, you know, people like to talk about how great the football weather is and blah, blah, blah, at what point in time? And she even said it, she goes, oh, they're from, they're from California and they're not used to this weather. I was like, it's not going to matter. I can literally count on one hand the times since 1999 that the weather has won us a game.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:38:38] Speaker B: I mean, usually loses us the game.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: And I guess that was my point was for evaluating a rookie quarterback or evaluating and running your offense in general, the weather is not helpful. I am a traditionalist. I love the weather games. I love when there's a foot of snow on the ground. I think it's fun and visually appealing. But you also won't catch me in the stadium on those days, which I thought was very apparent today as the middle bowls were about empty.
So again, to your point, all this talk about, oh, the muni lot and winter football and I mean, on social.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: Even with real quick segment of the muni lot. The muni lot. The muni lot. I saw on social media a Bunch of footage of it was just that very front lot of all the, you know, the die hard muni ladders that are there at every single game for the past 25 years. Outside of that, nobody. So don't again miss us with the whole we got 30 whatever tailgates left like you don't give a even doesn't.
[00:39:30] Speaker A: Matter the excitement of Shador because whether you like Shador or Hadura, there is a strong contingent of people that really love Shador.
And with a thought was at least the, the conventional wisdom was that there would be people coming to see Shador and you could still get tickets for six and eight bucks today.
[00:39:47] Speaker B: So and the opposite of that is there's a, there's a strong contingency of people that want to see this young man fail.
[00:39:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:54] Speaker B: And so they're also paying for tickets just so they can get a first hand look at how quote unquote bad he is. So.
[00:39:59] Speaker A: Yeah. And my final thought just on the the Shador and Dylan Gabriel conversation, there was no better illustration of, of the difference between these two guys than the fact that Dylan Gabriel did get to come in for one play. And if you look at the box score like I'm not evaluating Dylan Gabriel on one play but if you look at the box score, Dylan Gabriel is 1 for 1 for 0 yards.
It was just like the perfect throw.
[00:40:30] Speaker B: The typical Dylan Gabriel throw.
[00:40:31] Speaker A: It was the perfect encapsulation of everything Dylan Gabriel brings to the to the table. I can come in, I can complete a pass. It's not going to be for any positive yards. It's not going to do anything for you again that is not, it's not fair to say dealing real suckers because of one play. It just, I, I, it was funny to me that you know what I thought was real apparent that was there.
[00:40:50] Speaker B: You know what I thought it illustrated well was when he came in and he's looking up at all his linemen and he hadn't seen that the whole game.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: And it was awkward when Shador had the tone to get out of the, get off the field because he was trying to play.
[00:41:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I just, I love, love the just nonsense that is the Cleveland quarterback room.
And by love it I mean I hate it.
That's enough for the offense here. Defense solid once again. Jim Schwartz for head coach. Fire Stefanski. Hashtag fire Stefanski had hashtag Jim Schwartz for head coach Miles Garrett. R2 are two. Well are both our guys that are up for awards that are the odds on favorites for awards just kept doing their Thing today, Miles Garrett had another sack. Not a huge game, you know, given that he had, what was it, 13 sacks over the last four. So not a huge game. But he added another sack today. He's at 19 on the season. And then Carson Schinger continues to look like a bonafide all pro in his rookie season. Like this dude, this dude doesn't just look like rookie, you know, defensive player. The rookie. Defensive rookie of the year. He looks like a legitimate all pro linebacker.
This dude's everywhere.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: Yeah, the defense played really well. I thought all things considered the fact that they were working with a short field over and over and over again.
I mean, I think if you look at just overall, I mean you held San Francisco and Christian McCaffrey under 100 rushing yards.
Christian McCaffrey is the NFL leader in all purpose yards and I think if you look at what, what did he do? They had 53 yards rushing and 21 yards receiving. So yeah, I mean he's their biggest weapon and so I thought they did a good job bottling him up. A lot of, lot of gang tackling going on. I saw a lot of movement towards the ball. That was great.
Tyson Campbell continues to be very aggressive and a sure tackler. He did on a couple of third downs here and there. But, but those things happen. I mean as you're, if you're a corner, people are going to complete passes. So none of those were back breakers.
So all things considered, the defense played really well, I thought.
And to your point, Sweatsh continues to look great. Miles adds another sack. So I mean I.
That's a good football team that you played the day you give up 26 points. It was bad weather. It is what it is.
[00:43:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm going to give one more shout out here and it's to Ronnie Hickman. This is a dude that, correct me if I'm wrong, he was an undrafted free agent last year, the year before and since he not only made the team his rookie year, he's, he's progressed into just becoming a full time starter and dude has eight, nine tackles every game.
He's, he's also all over the place and, and he delivered a couple punishing hits today that I was like, yeah, this guy, this was a steal.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: So yeah, I mean look, and he's.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: Got a great name.
[00:43:54] Speaker A: It's a terrible name.
It's one of the most disappointing and frustrating things about this whole season is I think we can all agree the offense looks better with Shador. So the fact that he didn't play all year Long is a travesty in and of itself. But the fact that this defense can absolutely play with any team in the NFL and you're gonna win three or four games this year, it's. It's disgusting.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: It is disgusting. Injuries. Just to wrap things up here for the game itself, injuries. Malik Collins carted off the field.
Quad injury. Unfortunate there during the injury timeout. Juwan Jennings was talking shit to the Browns players. And after the game, Shelby Harris and Miles Garrett both called him out. Miles Garrett was a little bit more mild. He kind of just said. Yeah, he was saying he had some disparaging remarks and if he can't say anything nice, he should just not say anything at all. Yeah, Shelby Harris was a little bit more direct and to the point. He said, and I quote, he's a hoe, and I think everybody should know that.
And then he also went on to say he's not surprised he got punched in the nuts last week and he's surprised that no one has punched him in the jaw yet.
[00:44:59] Speaker A: So I'm pretty sure, you know, I think as a professional football, as a professional football player, this was one of.
[00:45:07] Speaker B: The best interviews I ever saw. Post game interview.
[00:45:09] Speaker A: As a professional football player, you have a lot of resources. Right. I'm sure at some point all of these guys go through some kind of media accessibility, training, some kind of proactively. Here's how you handle.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: He just went full safety off.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: I don't think that was in any of the manuals. He said he's a hoe. He deserved to get punched in the nuts. I can't wait till somebody punches him in the face.
[00:45:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it was one of the most just unhinged interviews. I love watching it now. Oh, yeah, I thought it was fantastic, but I was like, no way he's a hoe. He must have said something really bad.
But yeah, so that, that all happened. Hopefully Malik Collins, I mean, it's never good when you get carded off the field. Hopefully it's not the full season, but at this point, get your rest, come back next season.
[00:46:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it sucks to lose a guy, especially on that defensive front.
You know, that's been the strength of this team all year long. So, you know, hopefully he gets. Gets some treatment, gets healed up soon.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
And that'll take us to silver lining here. Let's try. Let's try and find one. Burning of a sportscast Dog of the week nominees. Unless you had anything else for the game. Kenny, you're looking confused.
[00:46:24] Speaker A: That's just my face.
[00:46:27] Speaker B: That sounds about right.
We're gonna start with you because I know Bone sent in his number one pick for dog of the week this week.
I know what it was, but I'm going to give it to you to give you your opportunity. First, who's your dog of the week?
I think he gave me three. He gave me three. So I have. I have options for both.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: I think someone will nominate Miles, and he'll probably win because he's just one sack closer to the record. But I'll go Shador. He was my player to watch this week. I thought he played exceptionally well, all things considered.
So I'll go Shador this week.
[00:46:58] Speaker B: All right. And then Bone, since you took Shadorix, that was his number one as well. His next one was Judkins. So we'll go Quinn, Sean Judkins for him.
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Judkins had a nice game. I think that today might have been judged.
[00:47:09] Speaker B: Averaged four yards of carry.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: Today might have been his first game as a pro.
[00:47:14] Speaker B: Yep.
And that's even with them. As the game went on and they realized that the weather was really a big factor, they started stacking the box a little bit more and kind of keying in on him, and he still had a pretty solid game. So.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: Well, it was no secret that we were going to run it. I mean, even on the fan. And touchdown. I mean, we ran it nine times in a row before we threw it.
[00:47:34] Speaker B: So, yeah, you know, I'm. I'm torn because I really want to go Harold Fannin, but I'm actually going to go Miles Garrett just because he is one set closer to the record. And it's been my kind of the record watch all year because that was my. My bold prediction. I'll keep saying that because I.
I looked like an idiot when I said he was going to have 30 sacks this season. And I don't look so stupid anymore. So.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: He's pacing 25 to 30, that's for sure.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'm going Miles. Gary, I will do this just for the live show. I won't put him out there for. For voting tomorrow, but honorable mention of Harold Fannin Jr.
He had a touchdown today, and it was a man's touchdown when he just, like, shoved through the. The last guy at the. At the end zone there.
The fumble that was lost. Not your fault. You shouldn't be under center.
And then another honorable mention I'm gonna throw out there.
I might actually have two. Carson Schwessinger, another 10 tackles. You already talked about him, but that wasn't it. Dylan Sampson Every time he touched the ball today, I know he didn't have a ton of stats, but every time Dylan Sampson touched the ball today, I was like, why the hell does he not get the ball more often? Because this guy makes things happen every time he gets the ball.
[00:48:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, to your point, you know, he had a nice day on a couple of touches that he had.
I can think of at least three times that we threw the ball to Jerome Ford, who I just don't need to see in a Browns jersey anymore.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah, he needs cut tomorrow. I don't even care. We don't need anything for him. Just cut him.
[00:49:10] Speaker A: Those should just be Dylan Sampson touches, period.
[00:49:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And yeah, Dylan Sampson didn't have any catches and Jerome Ford got three. So, yes, they should all just be to Dylan Sampson.
Yeah, you're learning. Hippie picks. You're learning. You don't. You gotta listen if you want to know.
And so with that, though, Kenny. Well, the. The nominees that I'll post tomorrow that you guys can all vote on, Shador Sanders, Miles Garrett and Quinn, Sean Judkins.
Final thoughts. Kenny.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: My final thought is this.
Thanksgiving is over.
We're headed into the Christmas and holiday season here full swing, which means a lot of people are getting their holiday shopping in.
And it's tough, right? If you work a full time job, two full time jobs like we do here at the podcast, you know, sometimes it's difficult to get out to those stores. So you do a lot of online shopping and maybe even doordash some things.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: Are you giving a plug right now?
[00:50:16] Speaker A: And I'm just hoping that maybe my next door dash order comes from premium dasher Bubba Ventrone himself. I think that'd be a good place for him to land feet on the ground.
I think that's the perfect next step in his career trajectory.
Doordash driver.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: If not, he could be my Uber driver.
[00:50:37] Speaker A: One or the other ride share is the way to go, Bubba, because you got no business being in the NFL.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: He's terrible. I thought you were going to give a shop plug there, just a full shop. I was like, no way. You're just going to tell people to buy merch.
That's your final thought.
[00:50:51] Speaker A: Buy merch. Buy merchant tab in media backslash shop.com.
[00:50:56] Speaker B: Yeah, you did it. It's not exactly www.thetepinmedia.com backslash. Yeah, do that.
Yeah. My final thought is, here we go. We got our final chance to win a game this, this coming week.
The Browns are really bad. I. I have a lot more faith in them winning games with Shador Sanders under center.
But it all kind of gets just negated by the fact that you got Kevin Stefanski as your head coach. As long as this dude is a head coach, our chances to win are like 12% each week. So they're a little bit higher this week because we're playing Tennessee and they. They are really, really bad. It will be fun to watch Shador Sanders versus Cam Ward. It'll be since up until the draft, unexplicably. Unexplicably.
Inexplicably. I don't know what the word is. Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. Inexplicably.
They were supposed to be like, right after each other in the draft and then we got Shador in the fifth round, so.
Yeah, sorry. My final thought is, is it's our last chance to win a game, so they better capitalize.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: Yeah. On that note, that's actually interesting you brought that up because, you know, I love to do tighten up radio.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: I don't watch.
[00:52:19] Speaker A: I don't watch a lot of Tennessee football, but I've seen. I've seen a little bit here and there this year.
And Nashville's kind of a second home away from home.
Cam Ward is catching.
[00:52:29] Speaker B: Not for any reason other than he loves Nashville.
[00:52:31] Speaker A: Nashville, it's a great place.
[00:52:33] Speaker B: It's not because, like, he has family there.
[00:52:35] Speaker A: It's just because he loves great food, great nightlife. Just a good barbecue.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:39] Speaker A: If I could live anywhere but northeast Ohio, it would be Nashville.
[00:52:42] Speaker B: Shout out to Edley's barbecue. I've been craving you lately.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, we should get down there for that.
Cam Ward is taking a lot of strays right now.
Look there.
[00:52:53] Speaker B: He's throwing a lot of strays, too.
[00:52:55] Speaker A: I'm excited to see the matchup because I think it does. It's somewhat of a litmus test here to see him versus Shador, see where both guys kind of are. The difference is Kim Ward's been doing it all year long and Shador has only had a couple of weeks to prepare.
But I do think that Cam Ward is also catching a lot of unfair criticism right now.
And I don't know whether Cam Ward is going to be a long term quarterback where he's a franchise guy for eight to 12 years.
What I do know is Tennessee as an organization and as a football team is really bad right now. There's not a lot of talent out there. The coach got fired this year. Like, they're a disaster. So to me, it seems a little unfair. To judge Cam Ward on that. And I know you might say, well, Kenny Thunder, you were writing Dylan Gabriel off after five weeks. Big difference, right? Cam Ward was, looks like he has.
[00:53:52] Speaker B: No business on a football field.
[00:53:54] Speaker A: Highly acclaimed out of college, was projected to be the first or second pick in the NFL draft. Dylan Gabriel was projected to be a mid to late rounder project backup kind of guy. And what we saw over five weeks was exactly that. Cam Ward has a different skill set.
And I think it's, you know, in the right situation, like I, I, I, we, we've written off so many of these young quarterbacks that are good players that, that we've kind of seen now have this, this second, you know, career resurgence here. Whether it's, you know, Baker Gino in Seattle, Sam Darnold, now Daniel Jones had a good season in Indianapolis for most of this year and Cam Ward is a different skill set than really most those guys. So I do think he's catching a lot of unfair criticism right now and I'm excited to see Shador versus him and I'm, and I'm, my interest is peaked to kind of see his career over the next year or two and if Tennessee puts pieces around him to be better. But I do think a lot of the criticism right now is very similar to what Shador is getting. I think it's just people just don't like him for whatever reason. And it's different because you don't have the Deion Sanders thing. But, but I do think a lot of the criticism coming his way right now is a little unfounded.
[00:55:08] Speaker B: It's probably because he quit on his team in the bowl game last year.
[00:55:11] Speaker A: Potato, potato, people.
[00:55:13] Speaker B: Don't forget.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: That was tighten up radio.
[00:55:19] Speaker B: Thanks. I think I don't save it for our show on Thursday. I don't know what you're doing.
He's gone rogue. It's that going rogue stuff.
Real quick before we close things out. Kenny, just shout out to Bernie. I, I saw he was, I wore the cardiac kids shirt in honor of Bernie's. He's, I saw he was back in the, the hospital today. So, you know, I, it's unfortunate, terrible situation. Just, just, you know, we're all praying that Bernie comes out okay.
[00:55:54] Speaker A: So I got my scarlet on from the game.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: Yeah, good choice. Oh yeah, good Choice. It's been 365 days since that team up north beat Ohio State.
[00:56:06] Speaker A: So yeah, feels better.
[00:56:10] Speaker B: And with that, let me remind everybody to call and leave their hot takes on the burning of a sports guy.
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[00:56:48] Speaker A: We want to hear from you and if you don't do it, kick in.
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[00:56:54] Speaker B: Right in the jimmies.
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[00:57:02] Speaker A: This we'll have our normal show out on Thursday. We'll be Previewing the Week 14 matchup against the Titans. Another Brown backers interview be somewhere in the Midwest here south somewhere near Nashville, I'm sure.
And of course all the other things you listen to the Bernie resport sportscast for like the same takes over and over and over and over and over and over again and hashtag fire Stefanski. Hashtag explore Shador.
[00:57:24] Speaker B: Hashtag fire Ventrone.
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[00:57:28] Speaker B: Fire Bubba.
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[00:57:42] Speaker A: Jamie, you call right now. Call the Burning river sportscast hot take hotline right now.
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[00:57:51] Speaker A: Yeah, call that you could whatever your.
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[00:58:23] Speaker A: That's all I got.
[00:58:24] Speaker B: Thanks, hippie. You tell him, Hippie. If you don't call, I'm gonna be really mad.
[00:58:28] Speaker A: I'll put this one back up one more time because that's a good. It's a good sign off to end the show. F. Michigan.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. Don't just, you know, that team up north, they're.
[00:58:36] Speaker A: They're.
[00:58:36] Speaker B: They're probably part of the problem.
[00:58:38] Speaker A: Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: They're probably the whole damn problem.
[00:58:42] Speaker A: They are.
[00:58:42] Speaker B: And only you can prevent. River fires. Burning rivers. River sports cast.
[00:58:48] Speaker A: Burning rivers.
[00:58:49] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[00:58:50] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[00:58:51] Speaker B: Good night, Akan.
[00:59:07] Speaker A: Sam.
