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[00:01:10] Speaker B: It's time Time for the Burning River Sportscast.
Remember that time Kevin Stefanski schemed up the wildest and most sophisticated play in the history of the game and it saved the day. The Browns won the game to turn around the season.
I'm not talking about Sunday. Clearly. I'm not talking about any time ever. Do you recall a single time where Kevin did something out of the ordinary, unusual against the conventional wisdom? And it panned out in a significant way. This is not molecular biology. It's not rocket science. It's not brain surgery. Sometimes the tendencies and conventional methods that exist in this game are there for a reason. Because they work. Sunday's follies were just the latest in a long string of examples of what doesn't work. Which at this point is every damn thing Kevin does.
Seriously, this dude sucks more ass than a gastroenterologist. And we'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:11] Speaker C: We saw that crap live. We saw that. I would say hot, but we were freezing our ass off so I would say it was cold.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: Shit.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: This is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
[00:02:20] Speaker D: What?
[00:02:20] Speaker E: On God's Green.
[00:02:26] Speaker C: Raiders last week, Smiles this week frowned. This is just life.
[00:02:33] Speaker E: As a fan of the Browns, you.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Come to the Burning River Sportscast for one reason and one reason only.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: For the same takes over and over and over again.
[00:02:39] Speaker C: Papa Venturon just gotta go. He's gotta go.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: I think we should fire this guy.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Save the nuns. Hashtag save the nuns.
[00:02:46] Speaker F: Is there a way he doesn't break it? Yes, there's a way he doesn't break it, but I don't want to say it.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yes. Yeah.
[00:02:53] Speaker F: Well, if there's any reason why he's not on the field, if he swings a helmet again or something else, I didn't even think.
[00:03:01] Speaker A: Glad it wasn't doing there.
[00:03:04] Speaker B: And he went there.
The whole PE bomb on him.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: The Browns are awful. But the Titans are even awful.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: Asking for a lot of things there. Gonorrhea might be one.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: Sean Duffy. Right? Like it's Sean Duffy.
If I'm shelling out $600, I'm absolutely wearing sweatpants. First class, I'm wearing sweatpants.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Welcome in to the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tapping Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. My part sleeps in a hot dog bun because he's a little weenie. He's red hot. Ronnie Jams and on the board today. He's got more class than most universities. More ass too. Ding dang. He's a big bone, man. Bone.
You're a healthy cat. You know, I've been dieting, you know, lost 95 pounds, but still fat. Yeah, strong work, but been experimenting with different things. And so I was wondering if you knew the actual difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean.
[00:04:00] Speaker D: One's better for hummus.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: I'm not sure. It's weird.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Chickpeas are made.
That's for hummus.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess I just figured you wouldn't pay 50 bucks to have a garbanzo bean on your face.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: Back to red Hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest?
[00:04:18] Speaker A: That was a good joke. I like that one.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: Ever heard on a podcast? The number one ranked football podcast and all the good pods and the official podcast of dozens of of Cleveland Browns backers around the world. And the unofficial podcast of Cleveland brownsbackers everywhere.
[00:04:32] Speaker A: You said a lot of words just now. We're the official podcast of some Browns backers somewhere. Dozens at this point. Dozens. I got really distracted because Jackson Dart just got up. He got smacked like laid out, bro.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: All right.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Anyways, turned about this past. No, you should have seen this. This is wild.
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[00:05:40] Speaker B: They got the runs this weekend. Yeah.
[00:05:42] Speaker A: Just wanted to make sure you came back down to earth. I don't really have a joke going on this one. I just wanted to make sure that you were back with us here. So you got a little too excited.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: I thought I was hanging out with Brown Straunt for a minute. Yeah, no, we left this atmosphere.
[00:05:53] Speaker A: Yeah, you're back.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: We were in another world.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: And with that, let's get things started with the burning of a new story of the week.
[00:06:09] Speaker A: All right, so this week's burning over news story of the week. An executive from Campbell's was caught on a hot mic saying that he does not buy the company's products.
And that was just the beginning.
He said he doesn't buy them because they're. They use highly processed foods. They use bioengineered products, and it's just quote, shit, poor people.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: Needless to say, this dude was immediately terminated.
[00:06:37] Speaker B: Chief Information Security Officer.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: Chief Information Security Officer was caught on a hot mic. Not just any hot mic. It happened after a secret recording that was made as part of a wrongful termination suit.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: I'm not even sure that holds up in court, but it certainly got this guy in trouble.
[00:06:53] Speaker A: He also.
[00:06:54] Speaker B: I don't think you can record people without their knowledge.
[00:06:56] Speaker A: Honestly, it depends on where you're at, I guess. Yeah. If it's. If it's. If it's a two party state or not. So.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: Sign of the times.
[00:07:03] Speaker A: Yeah, you're getting it. It's just a sign of the time this guy gets it.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: Nobody at home gets it. We can get it.
But anyways, yeah. He also admitted during this recording that he frequently came to work under the influence of edibles and he called all of their Indian workers idiots.
I don't. Things.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: Things not to say if you want to keep your job.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: Things not to say if you're just like a decent human.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: Just singling out one race of workers. Like, I don't really under. Like, I don't know, that's probably not a good idea. But yeah, the company's been around for 150 years and overnight their stock price plummeted.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: I mean, it would be like if you were trying to get fired, like, here's a List of things to say.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: Like, here's a secret. Here's a quote unquote secret recording of me. Like, I don't want to work anymore. So I'm going to say all of these things that you should never say.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: You probably shouldn't think them either.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: Probably not.
[00:08:04] Speaker A: But I mean, I guess it does make you say.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: It does make you wonder. Now about their meat.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: Have you.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: Have you had their chicken noodle soup lately? It is a little wonky.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: Oh, it's weird.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:11] Speaker D: You always just eat the noodles.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: It's like gummy.
[00:08:14] Speaker B: Don't eat the meat.
[00:08:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:17] Speaker B: Comey has been around for a long time. It feels bad.
[00:08:22] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, hopefully they don't go bankrupt.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I hope not.
We had a lot of Campbell soup growing up and.
[00:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah, like, I don't eat a lot of Campbell's soup. Like, it's true. There's not like, a great product. Like, it's good for, like, mixing for crock pot recipes and stuff. That. That sort of thing. Cream of everything.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: Yeah. If you try and buy their just soups outright, though, they're just disgusting.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Probably wouldn't make a. The only time that a Campbell's soup now just on its own would be, like, if I was really sick. Like, sometimes I make like a chicken and stars can just to get the chicken broth.
[00:08:51] Speaker A: No, my wife would make me homemade chicken noodle soup, and it'd be fantastic.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: And I do like their tomato soup from time to time.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: I'll give you that. They're tomato soup standard. Yeah. Grilled cheese.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah, Grilled cheese, tomato soup.
[00:09:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you go. Yeah.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: It's best with grilled cheese.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: Put a little bit of milk in the can. Put it in, Mix it all in.
[00:09:08] Speaker B: I guess you don't want to do the thing by itself, but grilled cheese is good.
[00:09:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Now I'm hungry for I accept you. Yeah.
Grilled cheese. Let's talk about that. Grilled cheese is underrated.
[00:09:18] Speaker B: I am. Budapest right now, that's the capital of Hungary.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: You guys get it? You guys get it.
Anyways, yeah, this guy, this executive for Campbell's really bad job. Well, he's not an executive anymore. He's unemployed.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: I don't think he'll be an executive anyway.
[00:09:33] Speaker A: Don't come back from that.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: That's not one you could put on your resume. Well, I was the chief information security.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: Do you mind if we contact your previous employer?
No, please don't. Really bad job.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: Don't contact the guy that recorded me. He doesn't have very nice things to Say yeah.
[00:09:48] Speaker A: Moving on. One more thing. Before we get to the Browns, let me remind everybody to call it Burning Sports.
[00:09:55] Speaker D: Hot Takeout.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: You got some hot takes for us?
[00:09:56] Speaker B: I do got the hot takes. I got all the hot takes.
[00:09:58] Speaker A: Do we got a lot of them tonight?
[00:09:59] Speaker B: We had a busy. A busy hotline this week. Busy hotline. Busy hotline.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Busy hotline.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Are you ready?
[00:10:06] Speaker A: I'm just wasting time until you get the recordings.
[00:10:08] Speaker C: What's up? Jen is Kevin, Ken and Robbie. Robbie is a new outsider newcomer, but.
[00:10:18] Speaker D: Robbie is a Brown fan, though.
[00:10:19] Speaker A: I'm like Kyle.
[00:10:20] Speaker C: Yes. Robbie is his uncle. Is what, the Phoenix Brownsbacker? Yeah, Phoenix Brownsbackers. He's in Parma, but he was our extra when Bobby D couldn't make it for the game.
We saw that crap alive. We saw that. I would say hot shit, but we were freezing our ass off, so I would say it was cold shit.
We saw that live Shador. I was not mad about it. The constant thing I say every week. Obviously our old line's not good, but I mean, he holds the ball on. And the fourth and one killed us.
[00:10:55] Speaker D: Both of them.
[00:10:56] Speaker C: Horrible. Horrible. I love Fannin, but why the hell is he taking our. From a backup center?
[00:11:03] Speaker A: He might.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:11:04] Speaker C: Yeah. Whipler. I mean, we love Whipler.
Jersey native, but.
Yeah, why is. Why is Fannin taking anything like that? We got Judkins at fullback and Sanders at.
Very confusing.
[00:11:21] Speaker C: I guess my hot take is.
[00:11:25] Speaker C: I mean, just doing what Gabriel.
[00:11:27] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:11:28] Speaker C: Whoa, whoa. I don't know if he's gonna hear that, but Robbie said, you know, it's doing what Gabriel did and I don't know how true that.
[00:11:35] Speaker D: I think.
[00:11:35] Speaker C: I mean.
[00:11:40] Speaker C: He'S playing like Gabriel.
That's all I gotta say. Well, Jebs, I guess I'll leave you with that. I came and provided you a hot take. I did. Honestly, though, when Shidora went down for a play, I did kind of feel a little bad when everyone was. Everyone was literally fooling Gabriel. I was like, well, damn. But I guess that's a hot take from us is take away a couple plays. They're gonna roast you for that. I want you to know.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: Hey, no, that's okay.
[00:12:04] Speaker C: I'm in Ohio, so I won't hear about it.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: But.
[00:12:06] Speaker C: Yeah, but tell me I'm wrong. Take away two or two or three of Shador's plays and he's Dylan Gabriel. I want the fancy gun. I'm officially done with that.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:16] Speaker C: Piece of trash.
[00:12:19] Speaker C: And.
[00:12:21] Speaker C: Tailgating was fun.
Positive. Miles Garrett's one sack closer to the NFL record. That is true. And I literally missed it. I was getting another beer and I missed it. I was still mad about it.
[00:12:33] Speaker C: All right, positive. Judd seems to still a dog. Throw him up for dog of the week, Bones. Throw up Schlesinger and.
[00:12:45] Speaker C: I think he officially hit 100,000.
All right, gents, we'll catch y' all later.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: Kevin. That was a hot mess.
What the hell was that?
[00:12:56] Speaker B: That was a hot mess.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: What was his friend's name? Robbie. Bobby.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: Robbie.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: Robbie.
Robbie.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Shador Sanders does not look like Dylan Gabriel at all. One, they couldn't look any.
[00:13:15] Speaker B: No one's mistaking them for brothers.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: Yeah. No, but seriously, Shador Sanders looks like he.
I'm not saying he's played particularly well so far, but Shador Sanders actually looks like he could play in the NFL. Dylan Gabriel literally threw the ball in the dirt. He threw passes behind the line over guys heads multiple times like he couldn't make basic passes. And this is what I keep saying is the passes that Dylan Gabriel was missing, and not just missing, he was missing badly, are prerequisites to being an NFL quarterback. They're simple throws. He can't make an out throw to save his life. Anything along the sideline is not getting there.
So they do not look anything alike.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: I just don't know what game you're watching. If you think Shador Sanders has looked like Dylan Gabriel thus far, I think if you look at the box score you go, eh, the numbers look mediocre. But we covered this on the Sunday Night show live, which is there were a handful of games, not even a handful. A couple of games in poor weather this week.
The game in Pittsburgh and the game in New York where they had very similar weather to Cleveland. It was cold, blustery wind, gusts of 30, 40 miles an hour.
Brock Purdy didn't play all that well. His numbers were comparable to Shador Sanders. Josh Allen's numbers were worse than Shadore Sanders. Aaron Rodgers, his numbers were worse than Shador Sanders. Kirk Cousins was a little better and Tyrod Taylor was about the same.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Out of all of those guys, if you want to make the case, I guess, that all those guys suck, you can. But just keep in mind that between all of them, there's 425 NFL wins. So in the same conditions, par for par. Shedor played as well as all of those guys who are established veterans in the NFL. So yeah, the box score doesn't look great. It's not going to light up all the advanced analytics boards. But use your eyes. I mean, the Guy has command of the offense, he can throw the ball all over the field, he has touch on passes, he can zip passes in. And frankly, the offensive scheme right now isn't one that they're asking Shador to do a whole lot with. The play calls have been very much the Stefanski offense. So I don't think you're really seeing the potential of Shador. And Sunday was not even an opportunity too right. The weather was so poor that you weren't going to see a lot of balls thrown in the air, period. And that was across all of those games with all those quarterbacks I just talked about, the only one I didn't talk about was Mason Rudolph, who got him for three plays, went over three and threw a pick. So just again, his numbers were absolutely comparable with guys that, that are good players. And let's not forget too, again, the Browns game almost had a missed field goal. The ball hit the upright, it was a chip shot.
The Bills game missed an extra point. So the weather was bad. Like, you can't take that out of the equation. Now you have to play football games in bad weather in Cleveland, at least until a dome shows up.
But it's.
No quarterback is going to throw for 380 yards in a game like that.
[00:16:08] Speaker A: No, period. No. People, you know, people be like, oh, Tom Brady could do it. Like, I've heard that a number of times this week. Nobody's claiming that Shador Sanders is Tom Brady. And actually this is something I wanted to bring up because I keep hearing this in arguments from people that just don't like Shador. And if you don't like Shador because he's Shador Sanders, that's fine. At least admit that instead of trying to like knock down Shador and stand on this while all of his followers think that he's the goat. Like, no, not really.
[00:16:37] Speaker B: No.
[00:16:38] Speaker A: Like, they like him. It's okay to like a guy.
[00:16:40] Speaker B: No one has said he's the goat. We're saying he's the best quarterback on the active roster.
[00:16:44] Speaker A: Well, we are. And I'm, I'm even saying, I'm even going further. His actual, like, hardcore supporters, there are a lot of them. It's okay to like a guy. It's okay to be a fan of a guy.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: But I don't think even his, his most ardent supporters are sitting in the corner of, he's as good as Tom Brady. Right? No, you can't. There's no logical rationale for that. Now. There's a logical rationale for thinking he has maybe A decent ceiling in the NFL as a player. And you do want to root for the guy. And like you said, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with rooting for guys. But I don't think that anyone is in the camp of, he's the greatest of all time. He's made two starts. He's played in two and a half games. No one is saying he's Tom Brady. That's frankly just such a straw man argument to be like, well, he's not Tom Brady.
Oh, Tom Brady threw for a hundred thousand yards. Nobody your NFL career, nobody is Tom Brady.
[00:17:34] Speaker A: Tom Brady is one of one.
[00:17:35] Speaker B: Shador's played in two games.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
Just the stupidest thing I ever heard. The other thing I wanted to point out in there is for Kevin, as much as I wanted the fans to just boo Dylan Gabriel because I don't like Dylan Gabriel, it was sad.
It wasn't. So I had. I talked to some people that were at the game as well, and they said that they happen to be showing a replay when he was running out onto the field, when Dylan Gabriel was running out on the field of Shador, and all the fans thought it was a late hit on Shador Sanders. And so they were booing the refs for not calling the late hit. And it came off as like, everybody's booing Dylan Gabriel.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: I thought it was late in real time.
[00:18:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So I just want to. As much as I want the fans to boo Dylan Gabriel because he's not very good, I don't think that's what that was.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: It did feel bad.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: Sorry. One more thing. And I especially want them to boo him now because I don't know if you guys saw that. His fiance or girlfriend came out and she said in her. One of her TikTok posts, one of the captions, she said that the whole. The whole building in Berea wants Dylan Gabriel to play. They don't want Shadora in there.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: That's a good job out of her. Yeah, I'll bet Dylan is super stoked about that.
[00:18:42] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: That's not like the news you want. You come home from a hard day of practice, you've been benched, and you log on to Instagram and you see that.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So she posted. She posted. She does these, like, either makeup or she's getting dressed tutorials or whatever the hell she does every week.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: Influencers.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And the caption of it was Browns lost again with like the eyes rolling thing or whatever.
And somebody commented on it and was like, they basically alluded to her hate for Shador Sanders. And she came back with, well, the whole building once, once Dylan to start.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: So I did like in that game that the, that Dylan did complete one of one passes for 00 yards.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Just typical.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: It was like the.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: If you want to talk to me about how they're the same, I mean that perfectly illustrates it. Dylan Gabriel came in and completed one pass for no yards.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: No yards.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: So he only throws behind the line of scrimmage. Yeah, it's up to the play. It's up to the receiver or running back to get back to the line of scrimmage.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: I will say this too about Shador.
Two things we keep talking about. Shadors holding on to the ball too long.
Okay. Shedor took three sacks. Two of those were on third and forever and fourth and forever. He has the worst receiving core in the NFL. At least one of the top five, bottom five. Right. No one's arguing that his receivers are good. I keep hearing, I keep hearing three. But Shador's got to get rid of the ball there. Okay, well, he could take a sack or throw it out of bounds, but if no one is open, there's no sense in him getting rid of the ball to throw it into coverage just for throwing its sake.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:14] Speaker B: So to me that's another non starter, especially this week. The week before, there were a couple times yelled onto the ball a little bit too long and I think that's part of his game that he's working on, has to clean up. But this week I didn't see that out of Shador. I didn't see him drifting in the pocket holding onto the ball. There were a couple, couple times he got out and tried to make a play, but he got sacked three times. And none of those were game killers.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: No.
[00:20:36] Speaker B: What's the probability of successful execution on 3rd and 15, 4th and 15?
[00:20:40] Speaker A: You know what they would have killed?
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Very low.
[00:20:42] Speaker A: You know what they would have killed on my Moore? As if he would have thrown picks there.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: And 100%. Yeah, I mean that was 100% going through his mind on the last play of the game. Right.
[00:20:51] Speaker A: And we talked about it after the game in his post game preference press conference. He specifically said when they tried to ask him, do you think Kevin made a good call on that 4th and 1 and tried to, to bait him into saying his coach made a bad call and he said that's a rude question to ask me. He went a little strong at the reporter too, I'll say that. But.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: I thought he was fair. Yeah, but, but the my point is in that response he said, as long as I'm starting for the Cleveland Browns, that's all, that's all I'm worried about. And that's so to your point, that's what's going through his head is he's like, how do I remain the starter? What is my head coach? Not like, turnovers.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:25] Speaker A: I'm not turning the ball over.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: Right.
Yeah, I, I think that's another layer of this Shador conversation that I don't know that we're talking about. Enough is, I mean, how old is the kid? I don't know. Is he 21, 22, 23 years old? 22, I think I have never seen reporters needle a guy, bait a guy.
Maybe since Johnny Manziel wants the coke habit picked up midseason. But like, they are.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: I can't hear you. I got too much fucking money in my ear.
[00:21:51] Speaker B: They are actively trying to trip him up with some of these questions. I mean, when you ask, when you ask a player directly, the quarterback, nonetheless, after a game, if he agrees with the coach's play calling decision on a particular play, no player, regardless of position at any level of football is going to tell you anything other than, hey, we win as a team, we lose the team. Like, I try. I have 100% faith and trust in my coaches. That's the answer. You don't ask that question. That's why it was rude. That's why Shador called it out.
He is being baited on a daily basis to try and find these sound clips because it's clickbait content if he slips up.
The final thing I'll say about Shador in this game and they brought up a good point which was Poochic went down.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: I didn't even think about that.
[00:22:36] Speaker B: I forgot about it too.
And I like Luke Whippler to an extent. He was an Ohio State guy, right?
But you lose your starting center. We had the goofiness with Wyatt Teller coming out of the game and we want to get an evaluation on this other guard.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: We'll talk about that later.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: So just the fact that like the offensive line is bad and got worse during this game.
So yeah, it's just, it's the expectation for him to be Tom Brady is just not even a insane.
[00:23:02] Speaker A: It's just insane.
[00:23:02] Speaker B: A plausible.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: And we've said from the beginning it doesn't matter who your receivers are. It doesn't matter any of this shit. You're in Kevin Stevenski's offense, right? Like his offense is predicated on running 78 yard outs and digs and slants and like, that's all it is. It's all timing routes. It's. It's west coast offense with no room for interpretation, with no room for. For just. Just kind of.
What's the word I'm looking for, Kenny?
Like making things up. Creativity, improvisation. That's where I was going.
There's no room for that.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: You.
[00:23:31] Speaker A: It's you. One, two, three, out. That's what you got to do every time.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: And it was a bad weather game. The Browns ran the ball over 30 times in this game. Yeah.
This wasn't a game where you were going to ask a lot of your quarterback.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: No.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: And none of those teams did. Right. Nobody threw for more than two touchdowns yesterday in any of that weather.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: No.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: Let's move. We got to do another call.
We spent 20 minutes talking about our first call. This is gonna be a long show, guys.
[00:23:57] Speaker E: What on God's green earth.
[00:24:02] Speaker E: Makes you choose to go further 4th and a yard on your 30 and not even total a timeout and challenge the spot?
What on God's Greener was that? That was crap. I'm six teams not being able to hold on to a football or giving up big fucking returns. It has gotten out of hand.
And guess what?
It happens. It's all gonna get blown up. They're all gone. And God knows, here we go again.
We're starting over.
[00:24:46] Speaker E: It is freaking ridiculous. We all got a little freaking, you know, champagne Buzz.
A win against.
[00:24:59] Speaker E: What do they call the Raiders, and then we'll probably get a buzz win over, you know, the Tennessee Titans next week.
But to be able.
[00:25:09] Speaker C: Dude.
[00:25:10] Speaker E: Oh, my God.
[00:25:10] Speaker D: I.
[00:25:11] Speaker E: You know, that was just the most ridiculous call I have ever freaking seen.
When you call to bring somebody that's never taken a goddamn snap from the freaking center and give him the football.
[00:25:30] Speaker E: From your own 30 yard line when you are still definitely in the game.
I'm tired of getting this.
[00:25:40] Speaker E: Turning everything, making our defense, making our defense win.
[00:25:46] Speaker B: Football game.
[00:25:47] Speaker E: It is done. We're blowing it up.
[00:25:50] Speaker B: And.
[00:25:53] Speaker E: We'Ll start. You know, we won't start until it's all over, but God, that was freaking ridiculous.
Anyways, 9090 Browns fans made their way to Stoney's Bar and Grill at a mile High at 5280. And once again, they walk away disappointed in stuff.
It has gotten out of hand.
[00:26:21] Speaker C: No, I'm not.
[00:26:23] Speaker E: Anyway, guys, love you and let's go grab.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: Wow, that was a ride, man.
[00:26:35] Speaker A: Let me. Let me add backup center because we just realized that today too so it.
[00:26:39] Speaker B: Wasn'T the last time we heard from Cliff out of Mile High. He was very solemn and somber and just disappointed. Cliff brought the heat today.
[00:26:48] Speaker A: He did. He was upset. He dropped some F bombs.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: He was pissed off.
Amazing that they had 90 people out at Stoney.
Great job.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: Unbelievable.
[00:26:58] Speaker B: I liked at one point, he's trying.
[00:27:00] Speaker A: To go back to back on him.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: At one point he said, not like.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: Bone and John Hughes, but, you know.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: At one point he said, it is done.
It reminded me of, like the end of, like, I don't know, passion of the Christ. Like, that's just like the end of the crucifixion.
[00:27:15] Speaker A: It is done.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: Isn't it in the Bible? It is done. It is done. That was like, that's kind of the Brown. The Brown season is finished. That's where we're at at this point. Yeah.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, if wild all the way around.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know. I.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: Well, here's a hot take.
Maybe it's your fault, Cliff.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: Why is it Cliff's fault?
[00:27:39] Speaker A: They won Brownsbacker chapter of the year and then now we got to blow everything up.
[00:27:44] Speaker B: I like the Cliff said we had a champagne hangover and then he had a hangover in the middle of saying.
[00:27:48] Speaker A: I don't even know what I'm talking about.
[00:27:53] Speaker A: Raiders.
Cliff, we love you.
We love you, Cliff.
[00:27:57] Speaker B: That was really funny.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
Who's next?
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Who's next?
[00:28:02] Speaker A: Who's next?
That like Goldberg.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: That is Goldberg. Bill.
Bill Goldberg to you.
[00:28:10] Speaker A: Sorry, I didn't know we were on a first name basis. I was just going last name, but okay.
[00:28:14] Speaker B: Everyone calls him Bill.
[00:28:15] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:28:17] Speaker C: Hey, guys, it's Menachem from the Browns backers of North Jersey. We had 22 people this week. A nice sized crowd considering that a few of our members weren't there. And it's a holiday weekend. Want to talk about the game for a moment? We have a little, little poem for you. Our season of woe continued this week in the loss to the Niners. We did totally wreak short fields, don't elicit wins. We need salvation from special team Sims. Angry Bobby was not with us today. Monocum took over and boy, did he slay.
Last week smiles this week frowns.
This is just life as a fan of the Browns.
Hope you guys have a great week. We'll speak to you next time. All the best. Bye bye.
[00:29:04] Speaker A: Oh, that was it.
[00:29:07] Speaker B: Publisher clap.
[00:29:08] Speaker A: Yeah. That was beautiful.
[00:29:10] Speaker D: That was really good.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: I had no idea Monaka was such a wordsmith.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: He's so eloquent.
[00:29:14] Speaker B: That was that was great. Wow. I feel bad about it, but it was great.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it made me feel way worse as a Browns fan.
[00:29:20] Speaker B: I like them in the fact that.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: We'Re coming up with poetry to.
[00:29:24] Speaker B: That's the point in the season we've.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: Reached to commemorate the misery that the Browns bring us is. It's not good.
[00:29:30] Speaker B: Commiserate.
[00:29:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: I like that he took over for Angry Bobby because Angry Bobby was not there and he slayed.
[00:29:37] Speaker D: Yeah, that was a great line.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: Oh, man. Keep slaying, men. It's almost Christmas.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: Time's a man.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: That was one of the best calls we've ever had.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: Angry Bobby's probably so pissed that we just, like, talk nice to menock him every time, and we're just like, Angry.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: Bobby's menockum, I think, has surpassed everyone else on the hot take Hotline is our new favorite North Jersey Brownsbacker.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Step up your game, Bobby. Step up your game.
Kevin. Kevin. Kevin's over there. He's like, I don't know. Sometimes I finish the game, sometimes I don't.
[00:30:06] Speaker B: I do. Like, the. Kevin always brings a crowd.
[00:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, I got a bunch of people.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: He's not even a Browns man. This guy over here lives in Cleveland.
[00:30:15] Speaker D: I did this thing every week where I call these guys in Ohio. You want to be a part of it with me?
[00:30:21] Speaker A: He's just starting to get people off the streets. He's just like.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: That should be Kevin's thing. Just man on the street interviews about the Cleveland Browns.
[00:30:27] Speaker A: He actually turns into. Yeah, he's our guy. He's. He's the interviewer.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: The Jesse Waters of the Cleveland Browns.
[00:30:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: Bring your sports cast.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: Yeah. What else you got for us?
[00:30:36] Speaker B: We got a final one here.
Good morning. Morning.
[00:30:40] Speaker C: It's Monday morning. Bobby from the Brownsbackers from North Jersey.
[00:30:46] Speaker C: I didn't make it out to Cleveland. I don't know if you guys knew that. I didn't make it out there.
I developed a pretty serious stomach virus on Thanksgiving night.
I was getting better, and then watching that game gave me another serious stomach issues once again.
And I know my comrades called in, so I'm probably not giving anything that they haven't said already.
Special teams is just atrocious again, and it pretty much lost us the game.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: As we all know.
[00:31:19] Speaker C: We need accountability. And Bubba Venturon just gotta go.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: He.
[00:31:23] Speaker C: He's gotta go.
[00:31:25] Speaker C: First. The 66 yard punt return set up, Set up a touchdown.
[00:31:32] Speaker C: Lava Dan flumming the ball probably three times. I think he fumbled the ball, lost one of them which was a big one.
Then Malachi Curley like, what are you doing, dude? Like, let the ball go out of bounds. At least put your foot out of bounds and catch the ball. That killed us as well. Bad field position.
And then the infamous going for it on fourth down.
Just bad mistakes. Just bad decisions. And I was very.
[00:32:03] Speaker C: Chidor is very promising. You know, he's just going to get better every week, more he plays. I think just keep him in there.
We'll see what happens. I mean, we got a young team. We're not making the playoffs.
[00:32:16] Speaker B: Just.
[00:32:16] Speaker C: Just keep playing ball, and let's see what happens. That's all I got.
Have a good one, and.
[00:32:23] Speaker C: Hopefully things will be better next week against the Titans.
[00:32:25] Speaker A: Take care, guys.
[00:32:28] Speaker A: Stomach virus really knocked him out.
[00:32:29] Speaker B: Knocked the angry out of Bobby.
[00:32:31] Speaker A: He can't eat raw turkey.
[00:32:34] Speaker B: 165 degrees.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: Come on, Bobby.
It's like. It's like a Christmas story when he's like, it's not done yet.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: I like the. Bobby had to wait until Monday morning to call. He's like, I gotta sleep on this one.
[00:32:48] Speaker A: I think. I think he really did get sick again. I was like, yeah, he sounded like.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: He was in rough shape, so hopefully. Hopefully, he's feeling better this week.
[00:32:55] Speaker A: Bobby, get well soon. Bobby, if you're not well already, I.
[00:32:57] Speaker B: Mean, I can't find the lie in anything you said.
No, I mean, all very salient points.
Yes. This team is ass. The special teams is ass. Curly's catching the ball out of bounds. Larva Dane's dropping it on the ground.
And I like how every week we've got to be the only team that every week has an infamous play.
[00:33:18] Speaker A: Every single week.
[00:33:19] Speaker B: The infamous something.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah.
If everything's infamous.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: The Browns are infamous.
[00:33:28] Speaker A: Yeah, they.
They're something else. That's for sure. Bobby, get well soon.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: I like that. Bobby. Bobby, I think, was the. The first one that brought a level head to the Shador conversation. He said he's playing pretty well and he's gonna get better every week. And let's see what happens there.
[00:33:41] Speaker A: There was literally, like, no emotion at all. No, he was just like, I think he's fine.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: Got a young team. He seems to be doing all right. Let's let the kid keep playing.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: Which we know he was emotional about how bad Dylan was because we have those costs.
[00:33:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
They're in there somewhere.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: So.
All right. So speaking. Wait. Before we get there, remember, we need you to call in and leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: Yeah, call that.
[00:34:03] Speaker A: We. We want hot Takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. 330-2278-0813302278081300227808133022788 one call now.
[00:34:18] Speaker B: We'll kick you in the Haslams.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaking of hot takes, it's time for a ticket with the macho fan.
[00:34:31] Speaker A: New week, new challenge. Yeah.
[00:34:33] Speaker B: Now we got two teams that are hungry. Yeah. Titans are coming in hungry just like we are. But let me tell you, you ain't gonna have seconds nor first at our dinner table. No way. No hell. So you might as well just enjoy your Tennessee whiskey. Cause right here we're gonna be defeating on a Cleveland Brown victory. Yes. Right. So go ahead, Titans. Enjoy your stay. But you believe in that last year.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: Let's go, Browns. Oh, yeah.
[00:35:10] Speaker A: Macho, macho fans.
[00:35:14] Speaker B: I want to be a macho fan, man.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: Just a new go to Jacho, man.
[00:35:23] Speaker A: That's what we got. Yeah.
He's a dog. And once again, speaking of dogs, it's time for the regular sportscast dog.
[00:35:36] Speaker B: You got to play tough people in the National Football League. You got to be ready and we got to be the dogs that we are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack. And don't stop until we're in that locker room.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: All right, so we leave it up to our listeners and followers to determine the Burning River Sportscast Dog of the week each week on our live shows. On Sunday night, we each nominate a dog of the week candidate. From there, we turn it over to all of you on our socials to vote and make the final decision. This week's nominees, Kenny Shador, Sanders. Bone.
[00:36:09] Speaker D: Ah. Quinn, Sean and Judkins.
[00:36:11] Speaker A: And I had Miles Garrett in case anyone didn't. It hasn't picked up on this. I know Kenny always likes to say you come to the Burning River Sportscast for one reason and one reason only.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: For the same takes over and over and over again.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: These are the ex nominees for last week.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: So I don't know if that's a Burning river sportscast problem or a Browns problem.
Three players each week that do well.
[00:36:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it's probably a Browns problem, but after the fan vote that was conducted today on our socials, this week's Burning Sportscast Dog of the week is.
[00:36:40] Speaker A: Miles Garrett.
I think this was just more so because he's getting so close to the record. He didn't really have that big of a game not to on his performance. He still. He had five tackles Five total tackles, two solo, two tackles for loss, three QB hits and a sack.
But, I mean, we've come to expect more out of me at 13 sacks of four games.
So.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: How dare you only have one sack.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: What are you thinking?
[00:37:03] Speaker D: I mean, how old is Trent Williams anyway?
[00:37:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, Miles Garrett, another big game. He's one. One sack closer. He's at 19 now. I mean. Yeah, it's going to be pretty hard not to get that record.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: I mean, you got to think he'll probably break it in one game because he'll probably just be.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: So we play the Titans this week and they give up, like, four sacks a game.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: So, I mean, it's very possible that he's just going to go three or five on them.
[00:37:29] Speaker A: And you got to be thinking, too, at this point in the season, with the season being lost, like, like, pretty soon here, he's going to go full safety off and be like, I'm just going balls out every time trying to get the sack right.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: You're not playing for nothing. Just go get the quarterback.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Like, at that point, you start legitimately. Honestly, guys, you think he starts like, I don't really care what the play is. I'm just getting. I'm getting the quarterback. Like, I don't really know what we're doing, but I'm getting the quarterback.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: I like that. And I think people have said this about Miles in the past, but it's truly. It's more true than ever, is that he is just inevitable. At some point in the game, he's going to get in the backfield and he is going to tackle your quarterback.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: Yep. It's just going to happen.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: It's going to happen. Deal with it.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: So the Niners did.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: They won.
[00:38:12] Speaker A: Everybody's dealt with it.
In those four games when we had. When he had 13 sacks, we won one. So true.
[00:38:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. Like, does this prove that just defensive pressure and sacks don't matter?
[00:38:26] Speaker B: Defense doesn't win championships.
[00:38:28] Speaker D: You have to have a competent option offense.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that's the problem is, is you forget the. The flip side of that. We're the second best defense legitimately. We're the second best defense in the NFL. We're the second worst offense in the NFL. So you have to. Even though defense wins championships, you have to be able to score some points.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: So is it now defense wins championships with an asterisk, which is. You also have to have a mildly moderately competent offense.
[00:38:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Defense wins championships as long as you're not a bottom three offense?
[00:39:00] Speaker A: Because I think that's where be if we literally went up two notches, we'd probably win like three more games this year.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: You'd be in the hunt.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you'd be right.
[00:39:06] Speaker B: Tied for first place.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: Yeah. So Miles Garrett once again the burning for sportscast dog of the week. Next up here we got the Browns brief.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: All right, so kicking off the Browns brief, I'm glad I, I, I put into the segment earlier when we were talking about Dylan Gabriel his, his fiance.
[00:39:35] Speaker A: Talking shit because I almost forgot to put that in our Browns brief. Instead I put it in there. So fair enough. But anyways, Browns re kicking off the Browns brief. Browns defensive tackle Malik Collins was carted off during the game. It has been confirmed to be a season ending quad injury so bad they.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: Don'T even know what it is. Just a quad injury.
[00:39:53] Speaker A: I'm sure he just strained it real bad. But you know that's multiple week injury and we're at the end of the.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: Season, so feels bad.
[00:39:59] Speaker A: Yep.
Speaking of injuries, Wyatt Teller. First of all, good news. Hundred start this week. Big milestone for Wyatt Teller. Bad news, he left with a calf injury and we talked about him in the live show. I said that he was the one and I think, I don't know if we've already touched on this, but the infamous play, as Bobby put it, the 4th and 1, he was the guy that was having trouble getting on the field and it was because he was rotating with Tevin Jenkins so they could get a quote extended. Look at Jenkins now he's got a calf injury. May have ended a season.
[00:40:38] Speaker A: Couple things here. One, let's start with have we seen the last of Wyatt Teller in a Cleveland Browns jersey?
[00:40:46] Speaker B: I don't know. I mean, I know they have money wrapped up in that or that it's going to cost money to keep him here.
Didn't they sign to an extension recently?
[00:40:53] Speaker A: Either way, he's, they were hoping to extend it this season.
[00:40:58] Speaker B: I hope it's not the last we've seen in Wyatt Teller. I think he's the best asset you have on that offensive line right now. Conklin has made a glass. Joel Batonio is headed to the hall of Fame.
[00:41:07] Speaker A: Plus they've sent us a couple Christmas cards.
[00:41:09] Speaker B: You don't have another tackle on the other side and Pochic has been banged up quite a bit the last couple of years. So he's the one kind of consistent guy there and he always plays at a high level.
[00:41:22] Speaker B: So they're going to have to remake this offensive line in the off season on some way.
You would think you'd like to keep at least one of your best pieces, but very possible because there was apparently some kind of politicking going on because we were, you know, put him on the bench.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: That's the second half. The question is, is what the hell are we doing with a rotate like we're. It was week 13.
[00:41:44] Speaker B: It's week 13.
And all year long you've shown no motivation to evaluate the most important position on the field to the point where your backup rookie quarterback didn't get a single rep with the ones.
And now during said backup quarterbacks second start in the NFL against a good football team, you're going to pull out your best offensive lineman and let's get a look at a guy that might play offensive line for us at some point in the future maybe.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: Perfect timing makes no sense. I mean that's the kind of shit that leads to the conversations we're having right now about is Kevin Stefanski intentionally sabotaging Shador Sander. It's stuff that doesn't make sense. You can make heads and tails of the play calling and try and figure out what they're doing there and if that's what's best for Shador or not to take out your best offensive guard in the middle of the game and you're in your rookie quarterback second start.
[00:42:40] Speaker D: Pivotal time in the game. This is just the end of the game where it was out of hand.
[00:42:44] Speaker B: Right.
[00:42:45] Speaker A: And I guess to be fair, they put the better player in. Wyatt Teller was coming in, but Wyatt Teller didn't even know he was coming in. So.
[00:42:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And Cliff had a good point during his hot take, which was because I had been all over Stefanski for not calling a timeout when the play was rushed to the line of scrimmage because they couldn't. Couldn't get the personnel in that they wanted and they should have took a time out there. Why not take the time out and. Or with a challenge and at least challenge the spot of the ball on the play before that.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: And get a clear reading on that and maybe gain an extra six inches. I don't. I don't know. But give yourself time to just basically a free timeout. Yeah. I mean that wasn't a like in the throws of the game. Got to keep things moving. Momentum type play. That was you're on your own 29 yard line, you're going for on fourth down. This is the game.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: It's a pretty important moment.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: Well, when Kevin fans, your coach shit.
[00:43:36] Speaker B: Like stupid shit every week.
[00:43:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm glad this bled into Kevin Stefanski talk because next up and you'll see where this is going. But Bubba Ventrone's job is safe for now because Kevin Stefanski is the head coach and holds no one in the building accountable.
The 2025 Brown special teams blunders are as follows. Week one, missed field goal, an extra point. Week two, blocked punt. Week four, punt return touchdown. Week 10, punt return and kick return touchdown. And now week 13 muffed punt, 66 yard punt return. And downing the kick return at, at your own five.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: Kevin, pulling himself away from calling plays has done wonders for the rest, for.
[00:44:14] Speaker A: The rest of the team. Yeah, yeah.
I'm just, I'm just glad that Jim Schwartz is apparently a man's man and tells Kevin Fisk, get the away from his defense because it's the only thing on this team that's worth a damn.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: There was a tweet from a notorious Cleveland sportscaster this week.
You can name names after the game.
A screenshot of Robert Sala and Jim Schwartz.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: I saw it.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: Yeah, a little close thinking, hey, maybe there's something in the works here next year if Salah gets Everybody's talking about.
[00:44:46] Speaker A: Him getting a head coaching job. Yep, yep. You think he comes to Cleveland because, you know Stefanski's gone?
[00:44:51] Speaker B: I wouldn't mind it here.
Look, I, I, he kept the receipts.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: And he talks shit.
[00:44:55] Speaker B: So I'm on team anybody but Stefanski.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: Fair.
[00:44:59] Speaker B: Robert Sala fits the mold of what I've been asking for, which is a guy that has been a head coach elsewhere, wasn't in the right situation, bring him here and, and has had success as an assistant coach. So like he's got a good NFL pedigree. Didn't work out the first time around. Like you think that conversation is Dan Quinn. Right. He's one of those guys. He's just a guy that's, he's an NFL regular guy.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Do you think that conversation was Jim Schwartz? Hey, if you take this job, can you please keep me on his defensive coordinator? I mean, I really want to keep coaching Miles Garrett. This is fun.
[00:45:32] Speaker B: Wouldn't be a bad marriage. I don't think because Salah is a.
[00:45:36] Speaker A: Defensive guy, that would be a fucking hard nosed football team.
[00:45:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Saul's a defensive guy.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: You don't think the first, first order of business is beefing up the offensive.
[00:45:44] Speaker B: Line when I think you can then put Jim Schwartz in a position like an assistant head coach type position where kind of both those guys are melding the defense together and there's nothing to Fix on the defense. The defense isn't broken. You can add talent there.
[00:45:58] Speaker A: Certainly we've seen year after year where like the top defenses and in Jim Schwartz has had the top defense here in Cleveland or at least one of the top defenses for like three out of the last four years. So, sure, over time, offenses adjust and you see that the. It kind of starts going by the wayside. Well, if you bring in Robert solid, maybe you add a couple wrinkles to the defense. You keep the defense, but add some wrinkles to it, maybe you stay as dominant as you've been.
[00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you can certainly still add depth at linebacker depth in the secondary. Like, there's. There's things you can do to improve that defense and, and bringing in a guy like Salah, who is known for defense, like, it's not. It's not a bad move. I don't hate the idea. I think there's a lot of interesting candidates out there. I don't hate the idea of Robert Salah.
I do hate the idea of Bubba Ventrone and Kevin Stefanski being in Cleveland.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: Speaking of Kevin Stefanski and him getting fired and all that jazz, Kevin Stevenski has now guaranteed that he will be under.500 in four of the six seasons he's been with the Browns. And so all you all used to fanski lovers out there that keep defending this guy. I said this at the beginning of the season. Everybody told me I was fucking insane. But about the time that we realized, which was like two games in, that the Joe Flacco thing wasn't going to work out, I said, two games in. Two games you were before the season. That's fine, whatever.
[00:47:11] Speaker B: I said it all year long.
[00:47:12] Speaker A: Yeah. But about two games in, when we realized that wasn't going to work out, I said at that point, I said, all right, at the end of the season when we go three and whatever, and he's 15 games under.500 for his tenure here in. In Cleveland. And everybody's like, oh, well, right now he. At the time, he was close to.500. So everybody told me I was crazy. It's like, no, that's where we're at. That's where we're headed.
And now he's. He's been bad four of the six seasons. Sure. He made the playoffs twice. Sure.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: And to be fair, the two winning seasons that he had was Baker Mayfield, who we shipped out of here. Can't win with that guy.
Joe Flacco on a miraculous terror.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:50] Speaker B: That was never before seen and never to be seen again.
[00:47:54] Speaker A: It was the legend of Cleveland Browns quarterback Joe Flacco. Like, it's just. It was the most. Most anomalous thing that's ever happened.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: I mean, if they didn't bring Joe Flacco in that year, you were headed to another 6 and 10, 6 and 11, whatever season.
[00:48:07] Speaker A: Like, I may have made up the word of novel.
[00:48:09] Speaker B: No, anomalous is the word.
[00:48:11] Speaker A: Like, it's.
[00:48:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it's out of the adjective.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: Well, I know anomaly is, but I know anomalous is. All right, well, yeah, I did it.
A blind squirrel. You know.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: Again, along the same lines of this Kevin Stefansky stuff, because I just love on Kevin Stefansky until he's gone. The national media is finally starting to wake up to Kevin Stevenski being not a very good coach. You kind of saw it across the board, just left and right, big. Like ESPN guys, NFL Network guys, all talking about this was a historically bad performance by a coach in this game. And it's like, no shit. We've been seeing them week after week after week for four years.
[00:48:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:53] Speaker A: Like, we've won games in spite of our head coach, and people don't understand that. They just look at the record because they don't watch the Cleveland Browns week after week, understand how many games that we've won with Kevin Stefanski as the head coach in spite of him.
[00:49:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
And there's been a couple of guys on the record during the year. I mean, guys like Robert Griffin iii, Cam Newton have been critical of Kevin most of the year, primarily because of the way he handled Shador. But to have a piece in the Athletic come out that says Jimmy is thinking about, you know, cleaning house at the end of the season, like, that's a pretty significant shift in. In the. The culture of where we've been as Browns fans.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Well.
And the handle. Like, that's what it took to get everybody to put a microscope on Kevin Stefanski with Shador Sanders, so all these people can say what they want about Shador Sanders. The fact of the matter is, he's been mishandled. He's been mishandled. And if that's what it takes to finally give Kevin Stefanski the boot, then I'm all for it.
[00:49:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: It'S just. It's just so frustrating to watch this team week in and week out because they lose games that they should and could win, and he's the common denominator.
But. But what's more frustrating is there's still a contingent, a large contingent of Browns fans that run it back. Don't Want to start over. They think Kevin's the fancy can figure it out. They think he's got the right stuff, whatever that is.
And it's just not going to happen here.
[00:50:23] Speaker A: It's just not going to happen. I've said it once, I'll say it. I've said it a thousand times. I'll say it again. Consistency, for consistency's sake is not a good thing.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: No, no, no.
[00:50:32] Speaker A: That doesn't make any sense. And you know, what's the definition of insanity?
[00:50:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Being consistent over and over again, doing.
[00:50:39] Speaker A: The same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. You keep rolling out Kevin Stefanski to try and win games and you don't win any. Like, you're an idiot.
[00:50:46] Speaker B: And I hate this idea. People are, people are like, I don't want to start over. I don't want to rebuild guys. Every year in this league, there are teams that go from worst to first. The Indianapolis Colts this year, The Bears won what, three or four games last year. They're on top of their division.
[00:51:02] Speaker D: New England Patriots.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I. This, this is, this happens. This is. This is a far cry from where the NFL has been for the longevity of the sport, which is, consistency is good, stability is good, and we're developing coaches and developing players. That doesn't exist anymore in the world of big time college football, nil media deals. It happens now you can turn around a franchise in a year if you have the right people in place.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: Yeah, and I just.
This whole, I don't want to start over is the weakest argument I've ever heard because. Okay, so you'd rather just keep doing this sh. Keep sucking like, this is what you want. This is what you want to keep doing.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: Keep sucking ass.
[00:51:40] Speaker A: Because now, now you can't even point to. Well, he was two time coach of the year. Sure, you could say that. But he's lost. He's lost more games than he's won four out of the six years he's been here.
[00:51:50] Speaker B: I said earlier in the year, Kevin Stefanski could literally punch a nun in the face on live tv. And there would still people be like, she shouldn't have gotten in the way.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, at least now most of the people would be like, that's really fucked up, man. You should have punched nuns.
I think we should fire this guy.
[00:52:04] Speaker B: Save the nuns. Hashtag save the nuns.
[00:52:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:07] Speaker B: I have a final thing to say about Kevin Stefanski before we move on to the next.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: Hang on.
We might have more to say about him, but you can say what you were Going to say, go on.
[00:52:16] Speaker B: No. Go on. Move on.
[00:52:18] Speaker A: No. I'm ready for you.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: All right, you ready for me now?
I think what makes it really hard for Browns fans with Kevin Stefanski is because he did win some games. Kevin Stefanski is not the worst coach we've ever seen.
He's just not a good one. And in a town where you've had Chadzinski, Hugh Jackson, Freddy Kitchens, and you've seen some of the worst coaching you've ever seen in that world, Stefanski looks palatable to you.
[00:52:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:46] Speaker B: It's like when you're in a room and everybody's farting and after a certain period of time.
[00:52:51] Speaker A: Go to this for an analogy.
[00:52:53] Speaker B: Everybody's farting, and after a certain period of time, it doesn't smell anymore. But as a new person walks in, they're gonna walk in and be like, this room smells like.
But you've gone nose blind to it. You can't smell it anymore. That's where we are. Kevin Stefanski is the shit in the room that you can't smell anymore.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: And he walked in holding a little bit of potpourri.
[00:53:11] Speaker B: You know, Andrew Barry is for Breeze in the place.
[00:53:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I haven't really thought about it that way until right this second.
[00:53:21] Speaker A: But yeah, I mean, he's not the worst coach the Browns have ever seen. He's a really bad coach.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:27] Speaker A: And. And just because he's not bad to the Browns doesn't mean he ain't shit elsewhere. Like.
[00:53:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:53:35] Speaker A: I don't know. It's. I'm. Kevin's. Fisky sucks.
[00:53:40] Speaker B: What were you going to say there?
[00:53:41] Speaker A: He just sucks.
[00:53:42] Speaker B: You wouldn't finish that sentence.
[00:53:44] Speaker A: Anthony Lima.
[00:53:46] Speaker A: This is where we're going to next.
[00:53:48] Speaker B: Back to Lima.
[00:53:48] Speaker A: Anthony Lima is all in on going back to Deshaun Watson. And yes, I gotta. I gotta erase our board here.
[00:53:58] Speaker B: Because we've now gone no days without talking about.
[00:54:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Not that anybody's ever gonna see our video footage of this anyways, but might.
[00:54:06] Speaker B: Be one of the worst takes I have ever seen to. Immediately after that game go to. Is the desean Watson window opening? Because there were a million reasons why you lost that game on Sunday. Day Shador Sanders wasn't in the top hundred of those reasons. Did he play. Did he. Did he play exceedingly well? And. And the. In, like, he was great. No. But he didn't do anything to hurt the team in some kind of detrimental fashion that you're like, ah. If we had that playback, we would have been a different story. Special teams fault like that was a huge problem. The infamous fourth down and just whatever the was going on there, that was a problem. Shador Sanders was not a problem problem. He was just very average and very mediocre per the elements he was playing in.
[00:54:53] Speaker A: Yeah. And as if that wasn't enough, he went on to say that when he sees them play, he sees no difference between Gabriel and Shador and but, but or for that matter any of the previous 20 some quarterbacks that couldn't get this offense going and that despite all that Hill rad was Shador until Watson becomes available.
[00:55:17] Speaker B: Dylan Gabriel played for five or six weeks and never completed a pass over 30 yards. Shador has completed four or five already.
[00:55:25] Speaker B: That alone tells me the offense looks a little different.
I mean to, to, to say that is just willfully ignoring truth in your eyes and everything that's in front of you.
[00:55:34] Speaker A: I've lost, you know, when it comes to Lima. Like I enjoy all the. The Cleveland shows like everybody else does, but I've lost a lot of respect for.
[00:55:41] Speaker B: That's going to be one of the.
[00:55:42] Speaker A: Worst takes for Lima the last few weeks here. He's. He's put out some there lately.
[00:55:47] Speaker B: I mean if you wanted to say after the Baltimore game like, oh, Shador didn't do anything to help team. He played really bad. He was 416. Okay. I accept that. If you're gonna have the Deshaun Watson take it that point you go, well, it can't get much worse after two pretty decent performances for a rookie in bad weather. Like, I don't know how you go to. Well, we need to see Deshaun Watson. How quickly we forget how bad desean Watson was here.
[00:56:10] Speaker A: Can we add a segment where we just like add people to the clown list and like it's Kevin Stefanski as a clown. It's Anthony Lima as a clown.
[00:56:17] Speaker B: Y. We need to do this. We need to do this bad. Not today. We got to think about this because we need to roll this out like clown of the week. It's the opposite of dog of the week.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: I love clown of the week. I love this. And it doesn't even have to happen every week. It could just be.
[00:56:31] Speaker B: I mean we could pretty much just rotate between Lima and Mary Cage.
[00:56:36] Speaker A: Mary Kay would win a lot of clown of the week.
Yeah, I'm in. I'm in for this.
Anyways, next up here, everyone up in arms about the Browns QBs and the toxicity between all the Brown, all of Brown's Nation over the QBs who should play who shouldn't play how bad should or is how bad Gabriel is. Whatever the case may be, let me remind everybody before we go and let this man off the hook for all that he's done.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: That alongside Kevin Stefanski. Andrew Barry drafted both these guys.
So the Browns have caused this toxicity within the fan base. They drafted the them both. No one else did that. Just, just Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry. So in today's world of you of instant gratification and kind of you have your guy that you're going to back and the way things are, people get behind somebody. Whatever the case may be, if you didn't think this was going to happen, you're insane. First of all, and the fact that you went ahead and drafted both of them and just said, ah, who gives a. Like, both these guys need to be gone. Let's be very clear about that. Both these guys need to be gone at the end of the season, which.
[00:57:41] Speaker B: Is exhibit A for exactly what you.
These guys need to go. Because that toxicity started there clearly, clearly a disagreement about quarterback and the position and how each of those guys wants it to be played.
[00:57:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:57] Speaker B: So when your GM and your head coach stop getting along and stop working together, stop making decisions together, that's a huge problem to your football team. That bleeds into everything you do because it's the most important position. Position in sports.
[00:58:10] Speaker A: Yep. So, yeah, I just wanted to throw that out there. When all you Browns fans are pissed off at each other because somebody likes Dylan Gabriel over Shador or vice versa, or just because somebody says something nice about Shador, you guys think that somebody's dick riding over there.
Or if you, if somebody says something critical of Shador and everybody likes to come in and say, oh, well, you know, you can't say bad things about Shador sand. Like all those things, all the above. Any of that stuff that was caused by your front office, literally, I said.
[00:58:43] Speaker B: Shador needs to work on his footwork holding on to the ball. And I got called a racist. And then I said, I think he played pretty well. And then I get asked how salty his D was.
[00:58:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And so I, I, I, I, I threw out a pretty graphic phrase there. But I mean, that was, that was verbatim from our, our comments. So, you know, it is what it. Not my words, somebody else's.
[00:59:05] Speaker B: I go back to the Hunger Games analogy, which is, remember who the enemy is. We can all fight amongst ourselves, but there's no need. We can fight about Dylan, we can fight about Shador. There's a lot of things we can complain about. Remember who brought us here. That's who deserves the vitriol. That's who needs to go. That's the tumor that needs excised.
[00:59:27] Speaker A: And in this moment, you know who's laughing is Andrew Barry. Most of all because the target has been taken off of his back. Because Shador is the guy starting right now.
[00:59:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's got his own group of staunch defenders. And. And they're. They're plenty vocal. And. And if he can tie himself to Shador, which he seems to kind of have done, he may survive whatever exodus is coming.
[00:59:49] Speaker A: Yep. And then right here is where I was going to put in the athletic story, but you went ahead and talked about it anyways.
[00:59:55] Speaker B: Hey, I do what I can.
[00:59:57] Speaker A: Thank you with that. Let's go ahead and get into the division roundup.
[01:00:10] Speaker A: All right, so to start off division roundup, Cincinnati goes into Baltimore and beats the Ravens. That's right. I said it. They beat the Ravens. So me and John were right on this one. You clowns were wrong. Feels bad.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: Baltimore is in trouble.
[01:00:24] Speaker A: Yeah, they're in big trouble. Well, it doesn't matter. Nobody wants this division anyways.
[01:00:27] Speaker B: Yeah, nobody wants it.
[01:00:28] Speaker A: Might be Cincinnati. Cincinnati might come out on top.
[01:00:31] Speaker B: That was my home Hot take for later in the show.
[01:00:32] Speaker A: Yeah, Pittsburgh lost to the Bills. We were all right there because Pittsburgh's also ass.
And then Cleveland lost to the 49ers, which for some reason, we all got crazy and decided to pick the Browns. Except for John. He's the only smart one. He stuck with the 49ers.
[01:00:48] Speaker B: John did play smart.
[01:00:50] Speaker A: So we were all wrong. He was right.
And so for the AFC north standings, they are as follows. Baltimore's at 6 and 6. Pittsburgh's at 6 and 6. Cincinnati's at 4 and 8, right behind them. And then Cleveland's a 3 and 9. Somehow we're actually still in this kind of. I don't.
[01:01:05] Speaker B: In the hunt.
[01:01:05] Speaker A: I don't really understand. But we're not making the playoffs. Don't get excited. And then current king of the north standings. And we'll come back to this later. Bone Me and John Hughes are now all tied for first at 26 and 15. And Kenny is back there just sniffing asses at 20 and 21.
[01:01:23] Speaker B: I thought it was Kevin Stefanski. It's you guys.
[01:01:27] Speaker A: You were above 500 and you're back below. Feels bad.
[01:01:30] Speaker B: I'm in the Upside Down.
[01:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
So let's go ahead and take a quick trip around the NFL.
[01:01:41] Speaker A: All right, Just a few things around the NFL this week. First of all, Houston Texans quarterback C.J. stroud was so loyal to his Ohio barber, Case McGee, that C.J. stroud would travel back to his to get his haircut in Columbus. Was it Columbus, Ohio? Ohio.
[01:01:55] Speaker B: I'm sure it was Columbus. That's where he played.
[01:01:57] Speaker A: He. He eventually moved his barber to Houston because he said a good haircut quote, makes you feel like that guy.
[01:02:06] Speaker B: Everybody wants to be that guy, Right?
[01:02:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So, I mean, thoughts on this?
[01:02:10] Speaker B: I mean, just power move, I guess. Like, hey, I'm going to move you across the entire country to cut my hair.
[01:02:15] Speaker A: You got a life over there.
My NFL paycheck says something different.
[01:02:19] Speaker B: That's right.
[01:02:20] Speaker D: So what do you think it took? Like, you think he bought him a house or what? Like, oh, I don't.
[01:02:24] Speaker A: I don't know if you bought him a house, but if you tell him you're going to pay him six figures to come down and cut your hair every year, I mean, I'm in.
[01:02:29] Speaker B: I mean, it's not like CJ Is an unknown that doesn't have, like, endorsement deals, so.
[01:02:34] Speaker A: Well, I'm sure that barber's doing phenomenal from C.J.
[01:02:37] Speaker B: I mean, I know I can't recall some of the commercials I've seen him in. I don't know if it's like Gatorade or Under Armour. Like, those probably are worth more than his rookie contract was.
[01:02:44] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:02:45] Speaker B: It probably. Probably wouldn't be a big. And land in Texas is relatively affordable. I mean, you could buy a nice house for a half mill down there.
[01:02:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:02:53] Speaker B: You know, especially if you're a guy that lives in Northeast Ohio. Like, wouldn't you want to go live somewhere warm and cut your friend's hair?
[01:03:01] Speaker D: Your most famous client.
[01:03:02] Speaker A: Yeah. This is a wild story, but again, just the network that CJ Stroud has for more guys for him to cut their hair.
[01:03:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, he's been.
[01:03:10] Speaker A: His social media is blowing up because he's like, look, I could just put CJ Stroud on my social. Look, look at the haircut.
[01:03:14] Speaker B: He's probably cutting half the team's hair at this point.
[01:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
Next up here, Adam Thielen announced his. That he will be retiring at the end of the season.
[01:03:20] Speaker B: I thought he died years ago.
[01:03:23] Speaker A: The Vikings promptly cut him so he could. Because he. He asked to be cut so he could pursue a deal with a contender in his final year.
So. Good move.
[01:03:31] Speaker B: Does a contender want Adam Thiel?
[01:03:33] Speaker A: I was just thinking, I don't know, you thought he was dead, so.
[01:03:35] Speaker D: Veteran presence. But, I mean, if you're a contender, you got to think that they already have a pretty stout receiving.
[01:03:40] Speaker B: Maybe they're going to sign him as a coach.
[01:03:42] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:03:43] Speaker A: Player coach. One of those. We'll bring that back. Yeah. Eagles offensive coordinator got his house egged after their loss to the Bears this weekend. Feels bad. You guys just won a Super Bowl.
[01:03:52] Speaker B: Philly fans are the absolute worst.
[01:03:54] Speaker A: Like, don't get me wrong, the Browns fans get pissed off, but we've been bad year after year after year after year. If we won a Super bowl, we would not say a bad thing about the Browns for like 27 years.
[01:04:02] Speaker D: Haven't they won a Super bowl, like the last five years, like twice. Twice?
[01:04:05] Speaker B: Well, yeah, a couple years before that, so.
And they were also, I think in one that they lost to Kansas city.
[01:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:04:13] Speaker B: So three Super Bowls in like a 10 year span. Like, what are you complaining about? Like root for, root for the, the Saints or the Titans or the Browns or anybody. The Cardinals. Like, what are you complaining about?
[01:04:26] Speaker A: Just get it together, you pieces of.
[01:04:28] Speaker B: There is nothing good about Philly. I mean, they killed, they killed Hitchbot. They threw, they threw snowballs at Santa Claus Claus. Just a bunch of dicks.
Philly cheese sticks are good, but frankly, you can get ribeye meat with cheese whiz on it just about anywhere.
[01:04:42] Speaker D: Yeah, they were in a, they were in three Super Bowls in the last 10 years.
[01:04:45] Speaker A: I actually like Philly cheesesteaks with like better cheese than just cheese.
[01:04:48] Speaker B: I was gonna say there's probably a lot of places that actually make a Philly cheesesteak better than Philly.
[01:04:51] Speaker A: Yeah, they were just the original.
[01:04:55] Speaker A: Next up, Cam Hayward and Josh Allen got into an altercation during the game. Cam Hayward accused Josh Allen of kneeing him in the stomach. Stomach.
He said that he, he approached him after the game or whenever it was and kind of was like, you did that on purpose. And Josh Allen said, yeah, I was trying to get up today to get.
[01:05:13] Speaker B: You off me somehow.
Yeah. Hayward was pissed about this. He said it's, you know, BS that they protect quarterbacks at all costs, but there's no protection for the rest of us, which is kind of fair. But he also said that it pissed him off. And this was early in the game when this happened. It pissed him off. Him off. And it pissed him off the rest of the game. Cam Hayward is a veteran in the NFL, in the NFL for 12, 14 years. Like, if a quarterback is getting into your head in the first quarter and you can't let that go, that's a way bigger problem than whatever is going on on the field with your little games. Like that is a huge red flag. You got to be able to go with the good and go with the bad and refocus yourself. If anything, I just would have been pissed off and hit the guy harder the next time I got through the line.
[01:05:53] Speaker D: Right.
[01:05:53] Speaker B: Like am I going to about it?
[01:05:55] Speaker A: Play football veteran puss.
[01:05:58] Speaker B: That's what happens in Pittsburgh.
[01:06:00] Speaker A: Next up, Marcus Mariota almost led the Commanders to an overtime over the Broncos buddy. They lost.
[01:06:10] Speaker B: And he went there. The whole P bomb on him.
[01:06:14] Speaker A: I've thrown a couple out the last few weeks. I don't know what's. What's gotten into me.
Bone makes good coffee.
[01:06:19] Speaker B: It was good.
[01:06:20] Speaker A: And then finally, not really NFL related, but I don't know if you guys heard me say that.
[01:06:25] Speaker B: I'm just catching up to the show now. Marcus Mariota almost like a comeback, but he didn't.
[01:06:33] Speaker A: It was close, but you didn't do it.
[01:06:37] Speaker A: Then. Lane Kiffin has left Ole Miss for lsu.
And this, this has just been a kind of a wild story that's unfolded. I know. Like, like, like Portnoy even got in on this and was. It was all pissed off at Lane Kiffin. Everybody's been was talking about how he's going to leave the. Leave the them at some point. Lane Kiffin is who. I'm going to paraphrase Port Noise quote, but he said Lane Kiffin is who Lane Kiffin is. And at some point Lane Kiffin is going to leave your town burning in the rearview mirror.
[01:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah. He'll do the same in lsu probably.
[01:07:06] Speaker A: Here's the thing though. Like a couple things. One, I, I really kind of took. Took just like I did not like how Portnoy put this out there because burning in the rearview mirror, they're going to make the playoff.
[01:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:07:18] Speaker A: Like he built this team up to what it is right now and you're gonna say that he left like they're better off right now than they have been in years.
[01:07:25] Speaker B: There's a reason top ranked programs want Lane Kiffin.
[01:07:28] Speaker A: Right.
[01:07:29] Speaker B: If he was a purveyor of destruction, they wouldn't be paying him millions of dollars to go there and coach and recruit for them.
[01:07:35] Speaker A: Right. And here's the thing is back when he took the interview with lsu, at least from what I've seen through this whole process, he's been very transparent about it. He said, I'm to take this interview. There's a good chance I may take the coaching job. He's asked the ad. He's asked the program, hey, I would love. If this happens, I would love to stay on and coach you guys the rest of the year, see this thing through. Hopefully we win. We'll put measures in place to where there will be a smooth transition afterwards, whatever the case may be, as soon as he took the job, the AD said, get out of here. You're done.
[01:08:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:08:06] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:08:06] Speaker B: I think a lot of the criticism aimed his way right now is very unfair. There's some like idea that he owes some kind of loyalty to these programs. I don't know if you've watched college football or the NFL in recent years, but coaches bounce. That's what they do. They go from team to team. And frankly, every head coach that you look at, when you pull up their resume, they go, well, you know what coaching treated to come out of? Where was he? And he spent four years here, five years there, six years there. There's no loyalty in any of these sports at this level. With this kind of money, Ryan Day has won over 80 games and lost about 10.
And we talk every year about firing Ryan Day because he lost to Michigan a couple times. Like, there's no loyalty in this sport. If lane Kiffin went 2 and 12 next year, he'd get himself fired. Like, these programs don't owe them anything and they don't owe anything back. Like that's, that's the environment we've created, is that loyalty isn't. Isn't important. It's about money and wins.
[01:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah. I was going to say anytime this much money is involved with coaching contracts or players, player contracts, basically. I know it's not contracts, but basically, like, like that shit goes out the window. Look, it really does at this point. I know people don't like to hear this, but the NCAA is now a business.
It's just like the NFL. It's a business. And sometimes business moves need to happen. So look around.
[01:09:23] Speaker B: I burped. Excuse me. Look around, look around the sport of football. These stories get a lot of run every year. Think about the coaches that are still being paid from other teams. Like it's this running joke. Like, oh, this team still owes this guy 12 million dol. Going to pay him $6 million a year not to coach for them. It happens every day. I don't know why this one is any different. Because it's Lane. Lane. Lane's another guy that's polarizing and draws a lot of the criticism. I like that he fired back in the social media post at the AD and was like, here's what I did. I laid this out. I was transparent throughout the process. I said I wanted to coach this team through the end of the year, and I was told no.
[01:10:01] Speaker A: You know what my favorite part about this whole thing was? LSU, within 24 hours, had his photo up as the head coach of their football team on their website. It was just like, instant, like. All right, well, we' good to go.
[01:10:11] Speaker B: Marketing stays undefeated.
[01:10:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So just a big story. Just want to talk about it. I mean, it sounds like you guys are. We're all kind of on the same page that. I mean, unless Bones got a different taste.
[01:10:19] Speaker B: No, F you. I hate you. Oh, sorry.
[01:10:21] Speaker D: No, I agree.
[01:10:22] Speaker A: He agrees. Yeah. Kenny, I think it's time for another interview.
[01:10:25] Speaker B: Brownsbaggers INTERVIEW SERIES.
[01:10:29] Speaker B: How much money do you make a year before taxes?
[01:10:33] Speaker A: Okay, I'm actually not as comfortable answering that.
[01:10:35] Speaker B: Come on.
[01:10:36] Speaker A: We're doing the interview now, not you.
[01:10:40] Speaker A: All right, so for this Browns backers interview, please help me. Welcome, hailing from Cardo's Pizza and Tavern in Pickerington, Ohio, the president of the Picktown Brownsbackers, Andrew.
[01:10:53] Speaker A: Thanks, Andrew. Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you?
[01:10:58] Speaker F: Can't complain. Better than I deserve. How are you?
[01:11:01] Speaker A: Good, good, good. You're not feeling too down after another Browns loss?
[01:11:06] Speaker F: I can't let them affect me like I used to. I. I'm. I'm in my 40s now, and I. I just can't.
[01:11:12] Speaker A: We'll probably learn soon. You know, we're getting there. We're almost there. We're going to. We'll learn.
[01:11:16] Speaker B: You can't ride those highs and lows too long.
[01:11:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
So, Andrew, tell us a little bit about your chapter.
[01:11:23] Speaker F: Oh, sure. We.
Of course, we're. We meet every week at Cardo's Pick over in Pickerington, right across street from Pickerington North High School.
We have a pretty devout crowd. Uh, usually really, when. When the rounds are doing well, we packed the place.
I think we can fit about 100 people in there.
Lately, we're about 40. 50 members are very, very loyal. Very loyal members in our club.
Let's see, we do various charities every year. I think this year, we're raising up money for our local Fairfield. The Fairfield County Sheriff Department has a.
[01:12:00] Speaker F: Therapy dog program where they have an officer, have a. Have a deputy bring a.
[01:12:04] Speaker B: A.
[01:12:05] Speaker F: A labradoodle out to any kitten crisis or any kind of situation where someone might need calm down, and they. They let therapy dog kind of calm the person down in that situation.
Her name's Nala, the. The dog that is.
And, yeah, we're we're raising money for her this year and uh, just typically, uh, meet every week and uh, watch the game over at Cardos.
[01:12:27] Speaker A: Nice. Do you guys have any, uh, events either uh, you know, the rest of the season or coming up in the off season that you're looking forward to?
[01:12:33] Speaker F: Oh, yes, yes. Uh, at the end of week after the week after the. The season's over, we're. We're planning on having out a former player. I can't name names, but.
[01:12:45] Speaker F: He might have been a co founder of the Dog Pound.
He's. He's gonna be out there.
[01:12:51] Speaker F: Yes. Top dog. Top dog. If you. If you know, you know. Yeah, he's uh, he's hinted that he might join and uh, we're gonna go ahead and present uh, all the. Everything we get for the. For Nala, for. For the dog I was talking about and uh, just have a, A big get together for that. So the week after the. I think it's the.
The 12th or 13th of January. So the week after the. Sorry.
[01:13:14] Speaker A: Is that like a celebration of the futility of the Browns for the season?
[01:13:18] Speaker F: It's a celebration of our club, of everybody coming.
[01:13:20] Speaker B: That's fair.
[01:13:21] Speaker A: Definitely celebrate that. You guys are doing great things. 40. 40 to 50 people every week in a season like this is fantastic.
[01:13:29] Speaker B: I mean, we strong.
[01:13:30] Speaker A: We. We interview Brownsbackers groups every week and they're. They all do awesome work.
But you know, we do know it gets tough sometimes when, when the Browns aren't playing very well to keep packing the house. And the fact that you guys are getting 40 or 50 every week still, that's just phenomenal.
[01:13:48] Speaker B: So Andrew, how did you end up being the president of the Browns backers?
[01:13:53] Speaker F: Oh, that's a good question.
So I joined the club back, I think in 2014 or so. It was being ran by. By a gentleman named Dick Herman, who.
He was kind of. Kind of older, but he kept the ship steady.
The club was founded, I think back in 2008, 2007, and I just started going up to the Brownsbackers meetups and.
[01:14:18] Speaker F: One thing led to another and the former president, Dick, recommended that I take over the club simply because I think it's because I was being active on social media, trying to promote the club and so forth, and, and next thing you know, we have a meeting, I'm nominated, I get voted in, and here I am.
[01:14:40] Speaker A: You're the guy.
[01:14:41] Speaker B: It seems to be a consistent experience for a lot of brownsbackers presidents that we talk to. You don't always choose that. It kind of Chooses you.
[01:14:49] Speaker F: Right.
[01:14:49] Speaker B: Who wants to do a bunch of work for free? I'll do it.
[01:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, it's kind of like us. It just ends up being a labor of love, you know?
[01:14:58] Speaker F: Right, right.
[01:15:00] Speaker A: No, that's awesome. It sounds like you guys are involved with some great things down there, so, you know, good job to you guys. I'm sure the community of Pickerington loves all the work that you guys are doing around that community. So let's, let's. Let's move over to the football side of things here. We do have a couple football questions for you. First of all, I just want to get your take on.
What are your general thoughts in the Shador vs Dylan Gabriel discussions this season? Do you have one that you like, and do you think either of them is the answer going forward?
[01:15:35] Speaker F: That's a. That's.
[01:15:36] Speaker B: That's a tough one.
[01:15:37] Speaker F: Do I have one that I like?
I. I gotta go with a. I. I can't help but love Shador Sanders. I think that his. His work ethic is incredible.
He won me over in training camp for sure. Just staying after practice, getting every rep he can in and just being every bit of leader off the field as he was on the field, going to local schools and doing. Doing all those events outside of that.
So from. From. Is either of them the guy, if anybody's a guy? Shador Dylan Gabriel.
I see the. The work he puts in. I. I see the heart, because he's got. He's got a heart the size of Texas, I'm sure, but I just don't think he has the physical tools be. To be the guy.
[01:16:18] Speaker A: He's got a heart the size of Texas, but he's got a body the size of a munchkin.
[01:16:22] Speaker B: I wasn't gonna go that far.
[01:16:23] Speaker F: He's bigger than I am, so I'm five seven myself.
[01:16:26] Speaker B: So you're taller than Dylan?
[01:16:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Or at least the same.
[01:16:30] Speaker D: Appears that way.
[01:16:31] Speaker B: Right.
[01:16:31] Speaker A: Do you think you could play NFL quarterback?
[01:16:33] Speaker B: No.
[01:16:36] Speaker C: No.
[01:16:37] Speaker B: Delicious.
[01:16:37] Speaker F: Of grandeur over here, that's for sure.
[01:16:40] Speaker A: Well, and we've talked about this. In the case of Kevin Stefanski, delusions of adequacy. So.
[01:16:47] Speaker A: But. Yeah, so. No, no, that's fair. And I. I do think you actually hit on something that doesn't get talked about enough is the work that Shador did before the season started and even into the beginning part of the season, when he was, you know, on the bench and learning and whatever, and he did a lot of work around the community, he was constantly out there with different schools or different things. And it just didn't get a lot of publicity. And I think part of it is just because for whatever reason, that's not the type of story the media wants to run with, with, With Shador.
[01:17:16] Speaker B: Now it's your door.
[01:17:16] Speaker A: Yeah. So, I mean, for whatever reason, I mean, it is what it is. But.
[01:17:21] Speaker A: Had he been a number one.
[01:17:23] Speaker F: Had he been a first round or second round pick, they would have been all over the media. But because he was taken so late, I think that they're, they're taking a cue from the front office and not feeding into the mania there. And there is a lot of mania out there online. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but.
[01:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah, definite.
[01:17:41] Speaker F: Polarized.
[01:17:42] Speaker A: Just a little. It's funny because we're probably one of the most like, level media outlets as far as when it comes to Shador being high or low on Shador. We just want to see what he has and we think he's earned the right to be the starter the rest of the season.
And we get killed if we criticize him once. We get killed because we don't like him, even though that's not the case. If we, if we talk about how, you know, well, we think he played, then we get killed by the other side about, oh, you just, you just love Shador Sanders. And that's also not the case.
[01:18:12] Speaker D: Right.
[01:18:13] Speaker A: It's like you're not allowed to be in the middle in this fight. But no, we'll move on from Shador and Dylan. Another question I wanted to, or I had for you is Miles Garrett obviously getting close to the sack record here.
Do you think there's any way he doesn't break it? And also, do you think he's the best defensive player the Browns have ever had?
[01:18:35] Speaker B: Oh, two.
[01:18:36] Speaker F: Very. Well, one loaded question. Why not?
[01:18:42] Speaker F: Is there a way he doesn't break it? Yes, there's a way he doesn't break it, but I don't want to say it.
[01:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yes. Yeah.
[01:18:50] Speaker F: Well, if he, if there's any reason why he's not on the field. If, you know, if I, if he swings a helmet again or something else.
[01:19:01] Speaker B: Kind of wood again.
[01:19:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:19:03] Speaker C: Right.
[01:19:03] Speaker F: So that, that's. What is it it takes for him to not break it?
If he, if he's healthy and he makes through the end of the season, it's in the back. It's practically in the back.
[01:19:14] Speaker F: So is he the greatest defensive player for the Browns? I can say he's definitely the greatest. I've seen And I was born in 85.
[01:19:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:19:24] Speaker F: Now, I don't have too much a memory of, of.
[01:19:30] Speaker F: Clay Mac Matthews, but it sounds like he's, he's better than Clay Matthews. Although he was an iron man. He was amazing.
[01:19:40] Speaker F: I can't get too much into the, the 60s and 50s. I'm sure there were some great defensive players back then, but if, you know, gun to my head, is he the greatest defender the Browns have ever had? Yes.
[01:19:51] Speaker B: That's fair.
[01:19:52] Speaker A: That's fair. And then on to this week's game.
Obviously, we've got the Titans, possibly the only team worse than the Browns in every facet of the game. They were 1 in 11. Right now they are coming to Cleveland.
Who wins this game and what's the score? You have.
[01:20:14] Speaker D: If.
[01:20:16] Speaker F: If you guys are right about Kevin Stefanski and delusions of adequacy is the way to describe them, then they find a way to lose.
[01:20:25] Speaker A: Oh, God.
[01:20:27] Speaker F: But I, I, I'm not as low on Kevin Space. I am, I am one to say we need to get rid of him. He's. He's gone after this year, probably.
But I, unless something crazy happens, I, I don't see how Cam Ward can go and survive in Huntington Bankfield. That, that's just not gonna happen.
[01:20:49] Speaker F: So clear. My, my money's on Cleveland. I'd say.
[01:20:54] Speaker F: Foreign.
27 to 13 for the score.
[01:21:00] Speaker A: Yeah. A lot of faith in this offense.
I know we're playing a really bad defense, but that's a lot.
[01:21:04] Speaker B: That's right.
[01:21:05] Speaker A: The most points scored all season, right?
[01:21:06] Speaker F: Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, I think so soon game.
[01:21:09] Speaker B: I think we put up 30 or 30.
[01:21:11] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. You're right. So it's up there.
[01:21:13] Speaker F: But if anyone can do it. Sure, Door can. He's. He's actually like it. If we want to say delusions of adequacy, that, that's why I'm with Shador. I think he's adequate at least.
[01:21:22] Speaker B: Delusions of Shador. Door.
[01:21:27] Speaker A: Maybe we should put that on a shirt. I like that.
Yeah.
No, hey, listen, Andrew, we'd love to stay on and talk to you all, all evening long. Unfortunately, we've got like a two and a half hour show that we got to keep doing, so.
[01:21:40] Speaker F: Sure.
[01:21:41] Speaker A: But it's been a lot of fun talking to you. We appreciate your insights.
We're with you. Miles Garrett, the best defensive player that the Browns have ever had. Absolutely.
And we're also kind of on the same in the same boat with you as far as Shador goes with the two quarterbacks. So again, thank you so much. You heard it here first. The Browns are going to win 27, 13.
You heard it via Andrew.
[01:22:04] Speaker B: We don't do gambling advice here.
[01:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah, but that, but that's going to happen.
So that ain't. That ain't a prediction. That's what it's going to be.
[01:22:10] Speaker B: What's going to be.
[01:22:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
So, yeah. Andrew, thank you so much. If we're ever down towards Columbus, towards Pickerington during a game, we will definitely stop in and see and check out, check out the chapter and see what you guys got going on.
[01:22:25] Speaker F: Absolutely. You guys are always welcome. The more the merrier.
[01:22:28] Speaker A: Thanks, Andrew.
[01:22:29] Speaker B: Thanks.
[01:22:29] Speaker F: Thank you.
[01:22:32] Speaker F: Where are the Pigtown Browns Packers? And you're listening to the Burning River Sportscast. Go Browns.
[01:22:40] Speaker B: Unique it. They frame it.
[01:22:43] Speaker A: I don't think it was time for that. Oh, good time talking to Andrew from the Picktown Brownsbackers, huh?
[01:22:49] Speaker B: Andrew's just hanging out there in central Ohio.
[01:22:51] Speaker A: It's amazing to me some of these groups that get like 40, 50 people coming in week after week, like, like.
[01:22:56] Speaker D: That'S a big crowd.
[01:22:57] Speaker A: Like, let me, let me just.
Nothing, nothing against Pickerington, but it's like just outside of Columbus. So you would think Columbus is like the big draw and they're just over here like, nah, we'll bring in 40 or 50 people people every week.
[01:23:07] Speaker B: A lot of people live out in the suburbs.
[01:23:09] Speaker A: I mean, I, I understand, but I'm just saying, like, that's pretty impressive, especially if you look at the map and see how many suburbs of Columbus have a brownsbackers group.
[01:23:16] Speaker B: What's more impressive is that there is anyone at all willing to go out and watch a Browns game in public at this point.
[01:23:22] Speaker A: We're sorry picked out. You guys are great. We're not disparaging anything that you're doing week after week.
[01:23:27] Speaker B: No, but it is a different way to take in a game. Right. I mean, I enjoy being at home watching the game on tv, having access to my own snacks and bathroom. There are people that love going to the game. They love the muni lot experience. They love sitting out in the freezing cold for hours.
I mean, it is what it is.
[01:23:41] Speaker A: Very few and far between regardless of what they try and tell you.
[01:23:44] Speaker B: And there's some people that enjoy the camaraderie of a group like that and group watch and, you know, having a few brusques and getting some apps, like just different strokes, different folks. So sign of the times.
[01:23:54] Speaker A: I like for really big games. That's what. That's when I like to go out and like, get sign of the times. You guys are really getting me. I love it. I knew this was going to catch.
[01:24:02] Speaker B: On.
[01:24:04] Speaker A: But I like for really big games to go out and get with a crowd and like, like restaurants or wherever.
[01:24:09] Speaker B: Like, I used to like to do that, but I think I've become a curmudgeon in my old age.
[01:24:13] Speaker A: Like, you're a real piece of.
[01:24:14] Speaker B: I was almost thinking about, like, should we get together for the Ohio State Michigan game? But I was like, man, if I go somewhere or we invite people over, like, you're going to cook and get dressed.
[01:24:22] Speaker A: That's something. At this point, I think. I think me and you are on the page of. That's for when our kids get older and they can go do their own thing. And then I could just sit there and watch the game.
[01:24:30] Speaker B: Yeah, like, I don't know. Like, I don't. You get older. I mean, you have a couple of tight knit friends and then like, it's like, I don't. I don't really have.
[01:24:37] Speaker A: We just had this discussion the other day. I was like, I was like, I have three friends.
[01:24:42] Speaker B: But like, at one point in my life, if you would have told me I had three friends, I'd have been sad about that.
[01:24:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not sad at all.
[01:24:46] Speaker B: I think my three friends are. I don't think I could keep up with more than three friends.
[01:24:50] Speaker A: I have three friends and one of them works with me on the show here.
[01:24:53] Speaker B: I mean, Jesus, when's the last time any of us. When's the last time any of us just like, went out to dinner together? I don't know.
[01:24:59] Speaker D: It's been a minute. I mean, you guys got young kids.
[01:25:01] Speaker B: It's so hard once you have kids anyway and then they have two jobs. You're kind of doing like.
[01:25:06] Speaker A: It's just.
[01:25:06] Speaker B: It's impossible. I don't know how we got onto this subject.
[01:25:08] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:25:09] Speaker B: Go Browns.
[01:25:09] Speaker A: What's that? What's that?
[01:25:11] Speaker D: What is it?
[01:25:12] Speaker A: Oh, I think it's. I think we got an incoming message from brownstronaut. It's time for mission control with Brownstronaut.
[01:25:22] Speaker B: T minus 10.
[01:25:24] Speaker A: 9, 8.
[01:25:25] Speaker E: 7.
[01:25:26] Speaker D: 6.
[01:25:27] Speaker B: 5, 4.
[01:25:29] Speaker E: 3, 2, 1.
[01:25:31] Speaker B: 0.
[01:25:33] Speaker A: Ignition.
[01:25:35] Speaker B: Liftoff.
Liftoff.
[01:25:42] Speaker B: What's up, burning river Sportscast? This is Brown Chinot reporting live from Cleveland orbit. The titans are soon approaching, and, boy, they look confused.
[01:25:50] Speaker A: They showed up on the paper map like, bro, we're in space.
[01:25:55] Speaker B: Let's not overthink this one and take.
[01:25:56] Speaker D: Care of business at home.
[01:25:58] Speaker C: Fourth win confirmed.
[01:26:13] Speaker D: Mission control. To ground control.
[01:26:18] Speaker A: Brownster. Not with another upbeat take on this week's game. It's easy to get up for this game because it's the Titans.
[01:26:24] Speaker B: Right. It's the last time, maybe the last time you got a shot at winning this week.
[01:26:28] Speaker A: I mean, right after this. I. I never thought that at the beginning of the season I would be saying this, but after this week, you got the Bears, and we're probably going to get royally humped next week.
[01:26:36] Speaker B: So we're going to get home the rest of the way.
[01:26:37] Speaker A: Yeah, it's going to be bad.
It's going to.
[01:26:40] Speaker B: Just the Brown schedule in general.
I was just looking at the schedule. I mean, we've spent a lot of time talking about evaluating Shador Sanders. The rest of the way is a literal cluster bomb.
[01:26:50] Speaker A: There's no evaluating anything.
[01:26:52] Speaker B: There's no. There's no evaluating anything. I mean, you're going to be in Cleveland again in December here with Tennessee. Then you go to Chicago, come back home to play Buffalo and Pittsburgh and finish the year in Cincinnati. There's going to be almost zero evaluation you can do because. Because almost every week is going to look like last week, where it's blustery and cold. I mean, unless we get some kind of. I know. What do they call that? I don't think you can say what it's called anymore. It's a Native American summer.
[01:27:19] Speaker A: An Indian summer.
[01:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:27:20] Speaker A: That's still a term. You can still say that.
[01:27:23] Speaker B: Maybe we get like one nice day where it's like 45 degrees.
[01:27:25] Speaker A: I've heard that on the news. You can still say that.
[01:27:27] Speaker B: All right, well. Yeah, we can say that again.
[01:27:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:27:30] Speaker B: Just try not to get canceled out here. I made a gay joke last week.
[01:27:33] Speaker A: Week.
[01:27:33] Speaker B: So I'm on thin ice.
[01:27:36] Speaker A: Once again. Thanks a lot. Brownstronut.
And it's time for the Week 14 preview.
[01:27:53] Speaker A: All right, so this week we have the Tennessee Titans. Kenny. It's time for the Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:27:58] Speaker B: The Kenny's Cliff Notes. All right, let's do it.
[01:28:03] Speaker C: Guys.
[01:28:04] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:28:05] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:28:05] Speaker B: We got a shot this week.
[01:28:06] Speaker A: Are you sure?
[01:28:07] Speaker B: We got a look at it. We got a good look.
[01:28:10] Speaker A: Let's hear it.
[01:28:11] Speaker B: The Titans ain't even have a coach. They fired him. See you later.
Mike McCoy, who brings the fledgling Titans in. The Cleveland. 23 years of coaching experience and nothing. Told him to avoid Nashville right now and the dumpster fire that's happening there. The Browns aren't good, but Tennessee is flat out the worst. Great barbecue, though.
But you do have to bring your own barbecue liquor into their gentleman clubs at 1 and 11.
[01:28:35] Speaker A: Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
[01:28:38] Speaker B: This is good and bad, I guess. I don't know. You can really get yourself snookered up.
[01:28:41] Speaker A: That's what I'm talking about. Like, it sounds like you're asking for like bad things to happen.
[01:28:45] Speaker B: Asking for a lot of things There. Gonorrhea might be 1. At 1:11, the Earth isn't just sinking. It's gone from under their feet. Number one overall pick Cam Ward is thrown for 2500 yards, seven touchdowns and six picks on the year. It's been a struggle, but mostly because this team is devoid of talent on every front. Tony Pollard is washed to J. Spears is barely in the NFL and no one even knows who the hell Khalil Mullings is.
How about their receivers? Ellie IO Manor. His name is Ellic. E L I C. His name is a name.
Shamir.
[01:29:18] Speaker A: Second time on our show that you just shit on someone's name.
[01:29:20] Speaker B: Shamir Dyke and Van Jefferson. That sounds like a wrestler. Make up a receiving core that's so bad.
[01:29:26] Speaker A: The world's best tag team, the world's worst wide receiver duo make up a.
[01:29:32] Speaker B: Receiving course so bad can only be rivaled by our own Cleveland Browns. Gunner Helm and Shik Okanaquo are trash tight ends. Two first round picks in the last three years in the offensive line and JC Latham and Peter Skoronsky and former Cleveland Brown. Kevin Zeitler is about as good as they've got, but he's 100 years old.
[01:29:51] Speaker B: Bonus points for anyone in the room they can name a single player on the Titans don't defense.
[01:29:58] Speaker B: That's what I thought. Bueller. Bueller. Tavandre Sweat maybe gets a shout out for being 6436 6.
[01:30:05] Speaker A: Whoa.
[01:30:05] Speaker B: He's a big boy. But the rest of this defense is a mess. Kicker Joey Sly is a sly dog, but kicking may not be his bag, baby, as he's 31st out of 32 in field goal percentage for the year.
Long time Ram Johnny Hecker is still cash a paycheck as a punter. All this to say, as bad as the Titans are, Sunday's game will probably be close. Go Browns.
[01:30:28] Speaker A: Go Browns. Indeed, with every edition of Kenny's Cliff Notes comes another edition of Ronnie Jam.
[01:30:33] Speaker B: Matchups that matter.
[01:30:44] Speaker A: All right. So. So for the matchups that matter, I got two matchups for you. Of course I said I was keeping this on the rest of the season. I wasn't kidding. Miles Garrett versus the offensive line. I don't care who's guarding him or who's. Who's trying to stop him.
The Titans give up like four sacks a game. Four and a half sacks a game. I think so. So many sacks. Yeah.
Miles Garrett might break the record this week.
[01:31:02] Speaker B: Guys love to see it.
[01:31:04] Speaker A: It might happen.
And he's at home. So it's always good, good times there.
[01:31:11] Speaker B: Always good times there.
[01:31:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, Miles Garrett against the offensive line and then Shador Sanders versus Cam Warden. I know this isn't a direct matchup, but once upon a time it's going.
[01:31:22] Speaker B: To be built up like one.
[01:31:23] Speaker A: Yeah, once upon a. Well, it's the only interesting storyline in this game, let's be honest.
Once upon a time they were predict Projected to go 12 in the draft and I know people forget that because Shador Sanders did end up going in the fifth round, but he had the grade of a first or second round talent. So I understand that, you know, it hasn't unfolded that way or whatever the case may be because the Browns have no idea how to handle quarterbacks.
But I'm just, but I'm looking forward to seeing this. And actually the numbers you gave me for Cam Ward weren't as bad as I thought they would be.
2,500 yards. I thought he would be upside down in his inter. His touchdown interception ratio. And he's not, which is pretty impressive given the, the shit cast that you just threw out there.
[01:32:06] Speaker B: I said on Sunday, I think a lot of the criticism of him is a little unfair, but carry on.
[01:32:11] Speaker A: So, yeah, I'm just interested to see how this plays out because again, Shador did fall to the fifth round and Cam Ward is the number one overall pick. So I would like to see how Shador Sanders and hopefully not Gale Force wins this week, stacks up against Cam Ward in this matchup.
[01:32:31] Speaker B: If Shador outplays Cam Ward this week, Andrew Barry's gonna look like a freaking genius.
[01:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah. So those are my matchups that matter. In summary, the Titans are coming off a beat down at the hands of the Jaguars 25 to 3. They're one and half a 11.
They're really bad on defense. They're really bad on offense. They're overall number 26 on defense. Their past defense is number 20. Their run defense, number 25 on offense, they're number 32, dead last in the NFL. Their running game is dead last in the NFL at 32 and their pass game is number 30 in the NFL. So that bodes well for our defense. I mean, all those things do. But we are now.
[01:33:09] Speaker B: I know, I know Jacksonville really beat their meat last week, huh?
[01:33:13] Speaker A: Yeah, we're getting weird here.
The Browns coming off their own beat down at the hands of the 49ers.
[01:33:18] Speaker B: So many beating meats.
[01:33:20] Speaker A: They have a 3 and 9 record, so not much better. But defensively, they are the number two overall unit in the NFL. Number 11 against the run, number two against the pass, and on offense, Tennessee was the worst offense. The Browns are the second worst and number 31 overall. The running game is number 28, and their passing game is number 31. So needless to say, this is going to be a barn burner.
[01:33:42] Speaker B: There's put that into perspective for a minute. They're number two in overall defense. Their run defense is number 11, which isn't a bad mark.
But their past defense must be so good.
[01:33:51] Speaker A: They're not even the best.
[01:33:52] Speaker B: They're number two. But they must be so good comparatively like that they're overall number two.
[01:33:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's them. And whoever's in front of them is the best. Pass defenses, like there's a wide, wide margin past that. So I don't, I don't. I don't know. Fact checker.
[01:34:11] Speaker A: And so yeah, the Browns are awful, but the Titans are even awful.
[01:34:16] Speaker B: Now, that one's not a word.
[01:34:18] Speaker A: And then. But here's. Here's the problem. Kevin Stefanski, still our coach. Bubba Venturon is still our special teams coordinator. It doesn't matter who the hell's running the offense when these two clowns are in charge of what's going on. So with that, I guess I'll say there's always a. A way to win. There's gotta be a key to victory. So let's go ahead and bring in the big bone man for bone man's sk.
[01:34:40] Speaker B: Key to victory.
[01:34:46] Speaker D: Is it time?
[01:34:48] Speaker B: It's time.
[01:34:48] Speaker A: Yeah, it's time. He just waits for me to point to. It's like, okay, I'll go.
[01:34:53] Speaker B: I don't.
[01:34:53] Speaker D: Guys, I don't know where to go here.
[01:34:56] Speaker B: There is a. There is no skeleton kick Victory. There's no way to win.
[01:34:59] Speaker A: We're playing the worst team in the NFL.
[01:35:01] Speaker B: There's no.
[01:35:02] Speaker A: No way to win this one.
[01:35:03] Speaker D: Here's what I want to say. I want to see them let Shador throw the ball this week. I feel like they've handcuffed him a lot. They haven't let him. Him do much.
And I want to see, I don't know, five shots down the field, six shots down the field, seven. I don't care. I just want to see it but as we talked about before, do we have anybody to really throw the ball to Besides Harold Fanning Jr. So maybe this skeleton heated victory can't happen. I don't, I don't know. But just let him. Let. I just want to see him play.
[01:35:33] Speaker B: Like, let him loose.
[01:35:34] Speaker A: Play like I'm actually.
[01:35:36] Speaker B: Hashtag Explorers adore.
[01:35:37] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:35:38] Speaker D: We're playing a crap team. We're a crap team. What the hell does it matter? Let's just see what he can do.
[01:35:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm actually glad you brought this up because this is something else that I wanted to bring up for the just the Shador discussion in general is all these people talk about how bad he's playing right now. And we've said it, but we haven't gone to this level. You're in Kevin Stefanski's offense, so this is what you get.
But on top of that, not only is it count Stefanski's offense, it seems like there's a concerted effort to not open it up, to not let him take chances, to not let him do things. Now I don't know if they think they're trying to protect him. I doubt it because Kevin Spansky clearly doesn't like him. But I just, I don't know what the goal there is. But they are not letting him open up the offense at all. If you can't open up the offense for the 11 yards instead of seven.
[01:36:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I do think there's a, a, a, a trying to protect him. I think that's a real thing.
I think Kevin Stefanski is afraid of that. I think Kevin, Stefan Spansky is afraid of a blow up game.
Just knowing they would get beat by 30 and it looks worse.
Yeah, but to your point, I mean, it's Kevin Spansky's offense. It kind of is what it is. It's not an offense that takes a lot of shots. You don't have the personnel to take a lot of shots. But, but I think like Bone just said, like what, what's. What's the difference at this point?
Let him play. Let him throw it around a little bit and, and see what you have because.
[01:37:03] Speaker B: You gotta find out at some point what you're doing with him.
[01:37:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
So. Yeah. Good, good. Skeleton key to victory. Po.
[01:37:13] Speaker A: He's a pirate.
Hey, what's pirate's favorite letter?
[01:37:17] Speaker C: ARR.
[01:37:18] Speaker A: Ah, you'd think, but it's the sea he be loving.
[01:37:21] Speaker D: Nice.
[01:37:22] Speaker A: Yeah, Kenny's heard that one before.
[01:37:25] Speaker D: I haven't heard that one.
[01:37:27] Speaker A: Kenny, the betting line.
[01:37:33] Speaker D: He's like that Was the worst joke I've ever heard.
[01:37:38] Speaker B: I'll tell you.
Are you ready?
[01:37:41] Speaker A: I'm listening. I've been listening.
[01:37:45] Speaker B: Line is Cleveland Browns, three and a half point favorite over under for the game is 33 and a half.
[01:37:54] Speaker A: That's low.
[01:37:57] Speaker A: We don't give betting advice, but Lauren Burner. But if I was betting, I'd probably.
[01:38:01] Speaker B: Take the under going further under, huh?
[01:38:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
Players to watch. Guys, I'll start because I said mine's not changing the rest of the year until he breaks sack record. Miles Garrett, Kenny, who you got?
[01:38:14] Speaker B: I've kind of been in the same boat because I've been on Shador watch, but I'm finally getting to see Shador. And I like what I have been able to see.
My player to watch this week is Dylan Sampson.
I've said all year that this kid's skill set is pretty special. And I'm just so sick of giving Jerome Ford touches. Like, can somebody please give this kid the damn ball?
[01:38:33] Speaker A: Every time he touched the ball this past week, I was like, oh, that was a good play.
[01:38:36] Speaker B: And I'm not saying, like every play. I don't need them to replace Q. But, Craig, like, anytime you're thinking about putting Jerome Ford in the game, just don't make the sub.
[01:38:45] Speaker A: But just don't.
[01:38:45] Speaker B: Jerome Ford should be a gunner on special teams at this point. And that's it.
[01:38:48] Speaker A: Yep. Jerome Ford's going to be on the team, and that's it.
[01:38:51] Speaker B: I'll keep him as a gunner. I mean, I won't use him there.
[01:38:54] Speaker A: I won't cut him.
[01:38:55] Speaker B: He has no business touching the ball.
[01:38:56] Speaker A: He's a running back. I don't want him gunning anything.
All right, Bone, who's your player to watch?
[01:39:02] Speaker D: I'll keep with the theme of opening it up. So let's say Isaiah Bond. I don't trust Jerry Judy. So they got to get it to Bond.
[01:39:08] Speaker A: I will once again say this is the Burning River Sportscast where you come for the same takes over and over and over again. That was also me and Bone's players to watch last week.
[01:39:16] Speaker D: So was it?
[01:39:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:39:18] Speaker B: Bone doesn't remember from week to week.
[01:39:20] Speaker D: I down.
[01:39:22] Speaker A: Yeah. So those are the players to watch with that.
It always confuses me when we just deja vu everything.
But, guys, I think it's time for another edition of. Can we talk about this?
[01:39:41] Speaker A: This is a newer segment this year. I'm excited in case we don't do it every week. So in case anybody doesn't know, this segment is one that we use in Case somebody feels that they have something that they need to explore further. Hashtag explore Shador. Explore Shador. But this week, I think, I think I actually had something this week, because I think yours is for the next segment. Yeah, I have something this week.
[01:40:03] Speaker B: I'm more pissed off, so.
[01:40:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you're more pissed off. So my question to you guys is, you going shopping for sweatpants lately?
[01:40:10] Speaker B: It's funny you say that.
I have been shopping for sweatpants lately. I bought a couple of nice pairs, like Duluth pairs of sweatpants.
[01:40:18] Speaker A: That's about the only place you can go, though. And that's where I'm going with. This is how. What happened to just like, a traditional pair of sweatpants? Like, why is everything joggers? Everything's like a weird material. You can't just get, like, you know, your standard sweatpants. Like, what, what are sweatpants?
[01:40:33] Speaker B: That's true. We used to be a proper country. You could walk into a JCPenney or a Walmart and just buy a regular old pair of sweatpants.
[01:40:39] Speaker D: 100% cotton. Maybe beside the spandex that, you know, made it scrunchy and tight.
[01:40:44] Speaker B: Those don't even exist anymore. And you need those pants for, like, working in the yard and stuff.
[01:40:47] Speaker A: And where are you guys at with the, the bottom of the leg? Like, the big thing now is joggers, and they're tight around your ankle. Do you guys like that?
[01:40:56] Speaker B: I, I own several pairs, but that's basically because it's the only thing that's available.
[01:41:00] Speaker A: It's the only thing that's available right now. You a fan of joggers?
[01:41:03] Speaker D: I actually have a pair on right now, but it's my only pair. And I was just like, I don't know, know I need something to walk over or come over because it was cold. And so I, I, I'm kind of indifferent on it.
[01:41:12] Speaker A: Honestly, what got me started on this was this week I went and got a new pair of sweatpants because, you know, just over time, they wear out and you're like, I need a new pair of sweatpants. So I got a new pair of sweatpants this week, and all that's available is joggers. And I, I've avoided joggers for a long time because I've got really big calf muscles.
[01:41:27] Speaker B: Oh, I've got really big calf muscles.
[01:41:29] Speaker A: No, I do. And so joggers, when I put them on, they get so tight at the bottom of the, of my pants that I'm like, these are uncomfortable. And they, like, pull. They start to pull down like, they start to, to sag. And I'm like, that's exactly what's happening with these ones. And the whole time I'm in there looking for sweats, I'm like, here, we just need one with no elastic at the bottom. That's just a normal pair of sweatpants. It's cotton that I can wear. That's comfortable.
[01:41:49] Speaker B: You cut them off like capris.
[01:41:51] Speaker A: You could, but they're still that stupid material.
[01:41:54] Speaker B: You heard it here first, folks. Ronnie James's cats are too big for pants.
[01:41:59] Speaker A: No, just sweatpants pants. Just joggers. Joggers specifically. It's the worst.
And, and I just, that's, that's my. Can we talk about this? I just want to know where. What happened to just a good old pair of sweatpants? Are they a Duluth? Is that what you're telling me?
[01:42:13] Speaker B: Well, Duluth, but, but Duluth has, I don't know what you call it. Upscale sweatpants. Like, they're nice and like hemmed at the bottom like, like you can wear them to like dinner.
[01:42:23] Speaker A: Haven't heard that before.
[01:42:24] Speaker B: They've got like a, a metal zipper and like a, you know, nice pockets and a back pocket for your wallet.
[01:42:30] Speaker A: I'm have to check out the loose.
[01:42:31] Speaker B: They're like regular pants. They're expensive. They're like 80 bucks a pair.
[01:42:34] Speaker A: I'm not going to check out Duluth.
[01:42:35] Speaker B: They're worth having a nice pair of sweats.
[01:42:37] Speaker A: You instantly talked me out of like.
[01:42:39] Speaker D: Champion, but still have a decent pair of sweatpants out.
[01:42:43] Speaker A: But to be fair, like, I'm not. Yeah, nothing against anybody that does, but I'm not a Walmart shopper. I just don't really, like, I don't.
[01:42:49] Speaker B: Even think you can buy those at Walmart really anymore. You almost have to go, go to Amazon and search like, I want old fashioned sweatpants and you might find champions.
[01:42:55] Speaker C: Old fat.
[01:42:56] Speaker A: That's where we've gotten to. Can I get some old fashioned sweatpants?
[01:42:59] Speaker B: Old fashioned sweatpants.
[01:43:01] Speaker D: Bring this up because literally last week there was like three or four guys at work having this almost exact same conversation because, like someone was trying to find sweatpants. What you're talking about.
[01:43:10] Speaker A: Yeah, they couldn't do it. Make sure they listen to this segment. Yeah, can we talk about this? Like, bring back, make sweatpants great again.
[01:43:17] Speaker B: Sweatpants. Sweatpants again.
[01:43:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I just, I, I, it annoys me that I'm on one of my, I have two pairs left of like just normal sweatpants and I'm just dreading any pairs left. I'm just dreading when they get Holes in them. Because I'm like, oh, no, what am I gonna do?
[01:43:30] Speaker B: I've got joggers and I've got dress sweats. That's it.
[01:43:32] Speaker A: That's it.
[01:43:32] Speaker B: There's no in between anymore.
[01:43:34] Speaker A: Now, this is a whole other topic that we could talk about is dress sweats. I've never even heard of these, but apparently it's a thing only at Duluth.
[01:43:39] Speaker B: I mean, you know, like, this is.
[01:43:41] Speaker A: In no way a sponsor. This is not an ad.
[01:43:44] Speaker B: I wouldn't wear dress sweats to, like, marble.
[01:43:47] Speaker A: It's not a thing.
[01:43:48] Speaker B: Dress sweats. Like Marble Room. But I would wear dress sweats to, like, Olive Garden.
[01:43:52] Speaker A: Okay, well, anybody would wear sweatpants to Olive Garden. Regardless.
[01:43:55] Speaker B: I don't think you want to wear your champion sweatpants like. Like you're yellow.
[01:44:01] Speaker A: People get engaged at Olive Garden. Like, that's the level of people we're dealing with.
[01:44:06] Speaker B: Oh, speaking of sweatpants.
[01:44:09] Speaker B: Did you see that now? Now I'm doubly pissed off.
I'm bleeding into gassed up already, but we'll get there. Did you guys see Sean Duffy? I think he's the transportation secretary over the last.
[01:44:22] Speaker B: He says, guys, we gotta clean it up in the airport. We can't be wearing our sweats on an airplane anymore.
[01:44:29] Speaker A: Oh, that's the only thing I wear on.
I don't wanna get. Shut up.
[01:44:33] Speaker B: I don't wanna get over overly political here. I don't care one side or the other. Damn it.
[01:44:36] Speaker A: I'm so mad right now. Sean Duffy, right? Like Sean Duffy.
If I'm selling out $600, I'm absolutely wearing sweatpants.
[01:44:45] Speaker B: First class.
[01:44:45] Speaker A: I'm wearing sweatpants.
[01:44:47] Speaker B: If I'm shelling out 600 for a plane ticket, damn sure bed I'm gonna be comfortable.
[01:44:53] Speaker A: Absolutely. It's the one place where I'm already stressed out enough because I'm on a airplane and you're gonna tell me I can't wear my sweatpants, go through TSA.
[01:45:00] Speaker B: And take my shoes off? Like, you get felt off, Sweatshit. I'm lightheaded.
[01:45:09] Speaker D: Yeah, that was. That was a terrible take by Mr. Duffy.
[01:45:12] Speaker B: I can't breathe with that.
[01:45:14] Speaker A: Let's go ahead and get in a gassed up.
[01:45:21] Speaker A: All right, Gassed up is the segment where you get pissed off about something or excited, whichever way. But we've already gotten there, so, Kenny, let's keep it going. What do you got for us?
[01:45:30] Speaker B: I feel less pissed off about what I was gassed up about than I am about Sean Duffy and this old as hell take.
[01:45:35] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Worst take I've ever heard.
[01:45:37] Speaker B: Airplanes have gotten to be in the summer.
[01:45:40] Speaker A: You wear shorts. That's what you do. Like gym shorts. Shorts. That's what you do.
[01:45:43] Speaker B: Like an Under Armour T shirt.
[01:45:45] Speaker A: I'm so mad right now.
Airlines. Who's Sean Duffy?
[01:45:49] Speaker B: Transportation Secondary.
[01:45:51] Speaker A: He needs to shut his his mouth.
[01:45:54] Speaker B: Like airplanes have gotten anything but regal.
[01:45:56] Speaker A: I swear to God, if somebody passes a law that we can't wear sweatpants, I'm punching him right in a dick.
[01:46:01] Speaker D: Was this the dude that was like on the Real World back when he was like in college?
[01:46:04] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:46:05] Speaker D: And he's a politician now.
[01:46:06] Speaker B: Have to look that way.
[01:46:07] Speaker A: Pretty sure you're the fact checker.
You're gassing me up right now.
[01:46:12] Speaker B: Cuz that's going to gas me up even more.
He's like, I'm the Miz and you need to know where's what headpads.
[01:46:18] Speaker A: I've never been so gassed up on our show.
Don't tell me what I can wear to the airport.
[01:46:25] Speaker D: Yes, this is him. It's the same guy.
[01:46:26] Speaker A: He was that guy.
[01:46:27] Speaker D: He was on like Road Rules.
[01:46:28] Speaker C: Real World.
[01:46:30] Speaker D: One of the seasons.
[01:46:31] Speaker A: Just go back to reality.
[01:46:32] Speaker B: The whole administration is from reality tv.
[01:46:35] Speaker A: This is.
I've never been so mad in my life. I'll tell you what. You want to lose votes just on. On that side of the aisle faster than ever before for tell people they can't wear sweatpants in the airport freezing cold.
[01:46:47] Speaker B: Take it.
[01:46:48] Speaker A: Sounds a little.
[01:46:49] Speaker D: Sounds a little elitist.
[01:46:52] Speaker A: I say from a guy coming from.
[01:46:53] Speaker B: The Real World, right?
[01:46:54] Speaker A: What are you gassed up about?
[01:46:56] Speaker B: I don't even know if it's worth talking about anymore.
[01:46:58] Speaker A: That was our gassed up. We'll have another one for you next week.
[01:47:00] Speaker B: I'll go over real quick.
[01:47:02] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:47:02] Speaker B: I got clickbaited by the TV this week by the news news this weekend.
[01:47:06] Speaker A: I'm dropping F bombs left and right. I'm done with this.
[01:47:10] Speaker B: I see this story right? I'm about to turn the TV on for a minute and I'm about to change the channel to probably watch like reruns of Everybody Loves Raymond for the 800th time.
[01:47:17] Speaker A: Yeah, who wouldn't?
[01:47:19] Speaker B: But a news story pops up and it's like the cost of a Christmas tree is going to be different this year.
Stay tuned to learn out what's changing.
[01:47:29] Speaker A: It's going up 99 cents.
[01:47:32] Speaker B: My family bought real Christmas trees my entire life.
[01:47:35] Speaker A: Me too. I got a fake one now though. It's way better.
[01:47:37] Speaker B: I got a fake one now. Over 70% of America has a fake Christmas tree.
[01:47:41] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:47:42] Speaker B: And so they run this whole story, this whole spot on you seeing the.
[01:47:46] Speaker A: Price of real Christmas trees now, local.
[01:47:48] Speaker B: Christmas trees, local Christmas tree farms and how the economy is impacting them and what's to expect this year. Leading me to believe that the price of Christmas trees has gone through the roof.
Like why else would you run that story? Right? Like the cost of everything has gone up. Right. We all know there's inflation and all this stuff. Cost of goods and the cost of living has gone up. Everything's in, everything's expensive. You can't afford to live.
[01:48:09] Speaker A: Supply is down or demand is down. Supply is up and everything's expensive.
[01:48:14] Speaker B: I don't know how you failed macroeconomics, didn't you?
[01:48:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I went, I went backwards on that. My bad. I don't know. But did I nail the story is.
[01:48:21] Speaker B: Are they going down anyway? This the story is run led me to believe like the price of Christmas trees is going to change. Holiday trees. I don't. Can we say Christmas now?
[01:48:30] Speaker A: I said again, you can't get canceled.
You can't cancel me.
[01:48:36] Speaker B: And so I watched the story and they say the average cost of a Christmas tree this year is going to be between 80 and $100 this year.
[01:48:43] Speaker A: Way too fucking much.
[01:48:45] Speaker B: They've cost 80 to $100 my entire life. That's how much a Christmas tree costs.
[01:48:50] Speaker A: I disagree with that. Unless we just were poor and went to the discount place, we always got them for like 25 bucks when I was growing up.
[01:48:57] Speaker B: We buying pre cut trees. We going to a tree farm and cutting it down yourself.
[01:49:00] Speaker A: No, no tree farm. Cutting it down herself. Just like a tree and a lot.
[01:49:03] Speaker B: Yeah, well they've always been like 80 to 100. You buy like a seven or eight footer. They're like 125. You buy like a Douglas fir.
[01:49:10] Speaker C: What?
[01:49:10] Speaker A: Hey, kudos to blue spruce. Kudos to my mom. She's been finding good deals our whole lives until discount trees. Until we bought a fake tree.
[01:49:17] Speaker B: She was going to the goodwill of.
[01:49:19] Speaker A: Yeah, we were getting. We're usually like somewhere between 20.
Might have been secondhand. No wonder it went up so fast.
[01:49:25] Speaker B: But anyway, I'm thinking to myself the whole time the story is running. I'm to trying, trying to like rationalize why would the cost of a Christmas tree increase. Like I get a lot of other.
[01:49:35] Speaker A: Other industries, restaurants should be going down, right?
[01:49:38] Speaker B: A lot of other industries, restaurants and things. Cars are more expensive. And I get. There's tariffs, there's Inflation, all these things. Cost of living's gone up. If you own a tree farm.
[01:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:49:48] Speaker B: What is your overhead?
Property taxes.
It's not like you nurture these trees. The trees have been growing for 30 years.
[01:49:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:49:58] Speaker B: What do you do? The, the nature grows the trees. It's not like you go out there and see them and fertilize them.
They're just on your land.
[01:50:07] Speaker A: There's got to be some level.
[01:50:09] Speaker B: 30 years ago somebody drug lines in and puts and put seeds in, but they're grown now.
[01:50:15] Speaker D: Labor cost. It's got to be labor cost.
[01:50:16] Speaker B: How many people does it take to run a tree farm? There's like three guys working there that they put the tree on the thing and it's shakes it those needles off and then they tie it to the roof of your car. It's not like you need a bunch of thinkers and people behind desks and a bunch of cashiers. How many people are. Less than 30% of the country's buying Christmas trees?
[01:50:33] Speaker A: I was way more fired up about Patrick Duffy or whatever the fuck his name is. Patrick Duffy.
[01:50:39] Speaker D: Sean Duffy.
[01:50:40] Speaker A: That's what I said.
[01:50:41] Speaker B: But anyway, the story ends with the guy going, hey, we pretty much expect Christmas trees to be the same as it costs last year. And I'm like, why did we run this story?
[01:50:49] Speaker A: Well, especially if that's your, your closing line. That was the exact opposite of the opening line of the story.
Christmas trees will cost different this year, but they'll cost the same.
[01:51:00] Speaker B: They'll cost the same.
[01:51:02] Speaker A: You news guy.
[01:51:02] Speaker B: I got clickbaited by the local news.
[01:51:04] Speaker D: Nice.
[01:51:05] Speaker A: That's.
[01:51:06] Speaker B: Now I'm guessed up.
[01:51:07] Speaker A: All right, let's go ahead and get into King of the North.
[01:51:23] Speaker A: All right guys, in case anyone doesn't know by now, this is our, our year long AFC north pickup competition at the end of the season. Whoever comes in last place gets punished at the end of the season. Two years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans of the muni lot before a game in the preseason. Last year, Kenny had his hair and beard shaved clean off a few two weeks ago for losing this past season. Kenny don the pads for the first time in almost 20 years and got hit three times by our guy, Big John Hughes.
Kenny, you back to normal yet?
[01:51:49] Speaker B: I thought getting hit with the eggs was the worst thing that ever happened to me, but it was definitely a big John.
[01:51:55] Speaker A: And this year the loser will be.
[01:51:57] Speaker B: Getting a Brazilian wax get their balls shaved off.
[01:51:59] Speaker A: Are you so excited? It's getting closer and closer for it just to Be official, like you're the. You're the guy.
[01:52:03] Speaker B: There's still a lot of time left.
[01:52:05] Speaker A: There's really, really not.
[01:52:06] Speaker B: There's like five weeks left. Seven, Six. I don't know. A few.
[01:52:11] Speaker A: All right, let's go ahead and get into it. First things first, I want to remind everyone that Bone is the reigning defending king of the North, Also Kenny's clown. So let's remount of the week.
You're the guy. Let's remind everyone of our current records after week 13.
Bone, me and John all tied at 26 and 15. Tight race up there, Kenny. How's it feel to be sniffing our asses at 20 and 21?
[01:52:36] Speaker B: Tight butthole.
[01:52:37] Speaker A: Tight butthole. Tiny buttholes.
[01:52:43] Speaker B: What's that guy's name?
[01:52:44] Speaker A: Tiny Bubbles?
[01:52:46] Speaker B: John Ho.
[01:52:47] Speaker A: What's his name?
[01:52:48] Speaker B: John Ho. It's not John. What's his name?
[01:52:50] Speaker A: Don.
[01:52:50] Speaker B: Don. Don Ho.
[01:52:52] Speaker A: That was close. Don Hole with tiny buttholes.
[01:52:56] Speaker B: How did we not talk about Shelby Harris call calling that guy? Oh, we.
[01:53:00] Speaker A: We talked about on the live show.
[01:53:01] Speaker B: I know. We get to talk about. With Bone.
[01:53:02] Speaker A: Yeah, we talk about it.
[01:53:03] Speaker B: He's a hoe.
[01:53:04] Speaker A: Yeah, he did say that. I want that known.
[01:53:07] Speaker B: He's known.
[01:53:09] Speaker A: Let's get into this week's games.
[01:53:10] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:53:12] Speaker A: We got Cincinnati traveling to Buffalo.
We'll start with Kenny. Kenny who? You got.
[01:53:21] Speaker B: Cincinnati traveling to Buffalo.
[01:53:23] Speaker A: Yep. Go ahead. It's about time. You got to start picking against the green.
[01:53:26] Speaker B: You know, the Bills had a tough one this week in Pittsburgh. A little banged up. Joey B. Looked good in his turkey return, even though he wouldn't eat the turkey because he didn't know where it came from.
[01:53:35] Speaker A: Fair. I probably wouldn't do that either.
[01:53:36] Speaker B: And the Bills just lost to the Texans two weeks ago, so, you know, I think maybe there we're seeing a little bit of drop off in Buffalo, like the Kansas City hangover. And it's not the Buffalo is bad anymore. It's just when you've been so good every year, it's hard to go anywhere but down.
[01:53:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:53:53] Speaker B: So.
[01:53:57] Speaker B: Agro Bangles, y'. All. Maybe they win the AFC North. They were basically in the same position last year and ran the table. Yeah, they just fell just short of the playoffs.
[01:54:04] Speaker A: That's fair.
[01:54:07] Speaker A: While I don't hate your pick, surprisingly, and Joe Burrow being back for the Bengals is a good thing. Joe Burrow didn't play all too well last week, and they. They still won.
[01:54:17] Speaker B: He did. For 260 and two touchdowns.
[01:54:19] Speaker A: They throw for 260. Was it that high? Yeah, I guess. I Just stopped checking in on the game.
[01:54:26] Speaker A: I guess with that being said, I'm still going to go Bills.
[01:54:30] Speaker A: I would probably go Bengals if this was in Cincinnati this week, but the fact that it's in Buffalo, I'm going.
[01:54:36] Speaker B: To go bills 261, actually.
[01:54:38] Speaker A: All right, well, I guess I'm an idiot.
[01:54:41] Speaker B: Point, Kenny. Thunder.
[01:54:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And Bone, who you got?
[01:54:45] Speaker D: I am also going to go Bills home game. And they're. They're still a good football team.
[01:54:52] Speaker A: Well, Kenny, you could either catch up or you're going to be much further behind.
[01:54:57] Speaker A: Well, regardless, you'll be behind me and further behind me and Bone, so stick it in. You did not see that coming on my bingo board.
[01:55:10] Speaker A: Next up, we got Pittsburgh hosting the Baltimore Ravens.
I'll go first here. I've got.
[01:55:18] Speaker A: I didn't think this would be a hard one coming down the stretch, but.
[01:55:21] Speaker B: That'S what she said.
[01:55:27] Speaker B: We're 11 years old.
[01:55:31] Speaker A: The.
[01:55:32] Speaker B: The.
[01:55:32] Speaker A: The Ravens are in trouble, man.
[01:55:37] Speaker A: With that being said, I think this is finally the year that Mike Tomlin goes under 500.
[01:55:43] Speaker B: It's in the Upside Down.
[01:55:44] Speaker A: It's in the Upside. He's gonna be in the Upside Down. He's not gonna be sure what to do because he's in the Upside Down.
I'm gonna go Ravens in this one.
Not because I have a lot of confidence that they're a decent team, but simply because both these teams are pretenders and I just don't know who to pick. So I'm going Ravens.
[01:56:03] Speaker A: Bone, who you got?
[01:56:05] Speaker D: I'm gonna go against you on this one. I'm gonna go Pittsburgh.
They have had a, I don't know, tough loss at home this week and another home home game. So against a division rival, I. I guess I don't see him losing again at home. So I'm going to go Pittsburgh.
[01:56:21] Speaker A: I like this. Kenny, who you got?
[01:56:23] Speaker B: God, this is a hard game to pick because the Ravens are in trouble. Lamar has not looked like himself.
[01:56:29] Speaker A: I do still have Derrick Henry, though.
[01:56:31] Speaker B: The Steelers offense is just so poor. Yeah, so I mean, you've got DK out there and Kenneth Gainwell and that's a. About it.
[01:56:38] Speaker A: It's like that's the weak spot of the Ravens, right. Is. Is their defense. But in.
[01:56:42] Speaker D: In.
[01:56:43] Speaker B: Aaron Rodgers has been beat to hell. I mean, he was like a broken nose bloodied his face this weekend. I got to go Ravens. There are six and a half point favorite.
When in doubt, go with Vegas. Yeah, it's a sign of the times.
[01:56:59] Speaker A: Love it.
And then finally we got the Browns hosting the Tennessee Titans. Bone, who you got?
[01:57:05] Speaker D: Oh, man, I gotta.
I'm gonna go Browns.
[01:57:11] Speaker D: Our. Our defense is really good. I think our defense is. Is going to keep us in the game, and our offense will do enough.
[01:57:18] Speaker A: You forget that our special teams is now also the worst in the NFL.
[01:57:22] Speaker D: They're terrible.
[01:57:23] Speaker A: So we've got two units. One's ranked 31, one ranked 32. The other one ranked two. If you go three units, all three of the.
[01:57:30] Speaker D: I'm counting on Miles. I'm counting on our defense.
[01:57:32] Speaker A: That's fair. What's the score?
[01:57:34] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, that's right. I get to do a score.
Let's do.
[01:57:39] Speaker D: 22 to.
[01:57:42] Speaker D: 17.
[01:57:45] Speaker A: All right. Kenny, who you got?
[01:57:47] Speaker B: Oh, God. You would think by now we've learned not to pick the Browns to win anything ever.
[01:57:53] Speaker A: You would think.
[01:57:53] Speaker B: But here I go. Browns 23:13.
This is your last, best chance at a win this year.
[01:58:02] Speaker A: That's true. I'm going to go Browns as well.
I think Miles Garrett, bold prediction for this week. I think he breaks the sack record this week.
[01:58:11] Speaker D: Nice.
[01:58:13] Speaker B: And I like how we just invent new things as we go. I'm making a bold prediction this week.
[01:58:18] Speaker A: It's just to add in there, just so I get when. When I. When I'm right, I can throw it in later and be like, see? Told you guys.
[01:58:23] Speaker B: Maybe that should be a whole segment going forward. Bold predictions.
[01:58:26] Speaker A: N.
[01:58:28] Speaker A: Everybody does bold prediction. I just added in wherever I want my score in this game. I told. I whispered earlier that I would go with the under.
The under was what, 33 and a half, if I'm not mistaken.
[01:58:38] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:58:39] Speaker A: So I'm gonna go Browns 17.
[01:58:47] Speaker A: Titans 10.
[01:58:50] Speaker B: There's just no way they lose this game. Right. I mean, the Titans are really bad. Even in a weather game. I'll take.
[01:58:55] Speaker A: I'm going to revise my 17 7. That's what I'm going.
[01:58:58] Speaker B: Even in a weather game. I'll take Quinshon and Dylan Sampson over Tony Pollard. And to J. Spears.
[01:59:02] Speaker A: Sure.
[01:59:03] Speaker B: Like, there's just. There's no part of that Tennessee team that is better than this Browns team. Even though the Browns are bad.
[01:59:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
[01:59:12] Speaker B: Even. Even. Even at coaching. I mean, you have an interim head coach versus Kevin Savanski. They're probably about on the same level.
But, like, it's not like you're coaching against Mike Vrabel over there.
[01:59:21] Speaker A: No.
And that's the end of King of the North. So let's go ahead and remind.
[01:59:27] Speaker B: Talk myself into it again.
[01:59:28] Speaker A: Yeah, Let Me remind everybody to call the Burning Sportscast. Hot take outline.
Hot take outline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes.
[01:59:36] Speaker B: We want hot takes.
[01:59:37] Speaker A: We want hot take calls.
[01:59:40] Speaker B: Now we're kicking the nuts, right?
[01:59:42] Speaker E: The Jimmies.
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[01:59:59] Speaker B: We will be live on Sunday night and can we make this announcement now? Is this a thing? Can we do it? Can we do it?
[02:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah, because we're gonna try and figure it out.
[02:00:07] Speaker B: For the very first time, the Burning River Sportscast will be taking live callers on air during our postgame recap show. So look for us live on YouTube, Facebook and X as we recap the Week 14 matchup against the Titans.
[02:00:23] Speaker A: Hold on. It's. It's. It's the inaugural week of this.
[02:00:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it's gonna be bumpy, guys.
[02:00:28] Speaker A: We're not really sure how the feature works within our, our recording software software, so bear with us. But we're going to try it.
[02:00:36] Speaker B: It's going to be a little wild, but hey, that's what we're here for. Yeah, that and the same takes over and over and over and over and over again and then. So we should be on right around 9:30. And the next Thursday we'll be back with our week 15 preview episode for the game against Dass and another Browns backers interview.
[02:00:51] Speaker A: Tbd.
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[02:01:23] Speaker B: Kick you in the jimmies.
[02:01:24] Speaker A: Do you know what it takes too, Kenny?
[02:01:26] Speaker B: Facts for days.
[02:01:44] Speaker B: What do you got for us a little baritone?
[02:01:55] Speaker B: I got some facts.
[02:01:55] Speaker A: What do you got?
[02:01:57] Speaker B: I've been going with like themed facts for most of the year. The theme this week is these are the most useless facts that you could ever know. You can't literally do a thing with this information. So enjoy.
[02:02:08] Speaker A: I don't care. I love it.
[02:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:02:14] Speaker A: All right, Go on.
[02:02:15] Speaker B: What do you got?
[02:02:16] Speaker A: What do you got? What do you got?
[02:02:16] Speaker B: This is bananas, B N. See, now you get it. Number one.
[02:02:20] Speaker A: Number one. Number one.
[02:02:21] Speaker B: Theo Von.
[02:02:22] Speaker A: Oh, Theo V. I talked about him.
[02:02:24] Speaker B: He's a funny cat.
[02:02:25] Speaker A: He's a pretty funny guy.
[02:02:27] Speaker B: How old do you think Theo is?
[02:02:29] Speaker A: I don't know, cuz I see some clips from a while back from him, so he had to ballpark it. 48, I would say 45.
[02:02:38] Speaker B: You guys think he's that old?
[02:02:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Look at his face, man. His face is pretty old looking, man.
[02:02:42] Speaker B: I did not think he was that old. You guys are right on. He's 45.
[02:02:47] Speaker A: Hell yes.
[02:02:47] Speaker B: I did it.
[02:02:48] Speaker A: I did it. I got facts for days.
[02:02:49] Speaker B: I win. That's not the fact.
[02:02:51] Speaker A: Oh, damn it, man.
[02:02:52] Speaker B: If Theo is 45.
[02:02:56] Speaker B: How old would Theo's dad be, Rip? If he were alive.
[02:03:02] Speaker A: I'm gonna go with 63, 58.
[02:03:11] Speaker B: If Theovon's dad were alive today, Rip, he would be.
[02:03:19] Speaker B: Oh, he's really old. 113 years old.
[02:03:24] Speaker A: Wow, what's that? Math? I can't math right now.
[02:03:28] Speaker B: His dad was born in 1912.
[02:03:33] Speaker B: And his half brother Roland died in 2019 due to an accidental shooting at the age of 68.
[02:03:41] Speaker D: So he's got. He was on unplanned. He was.
[02:03:45] Speaker B: His dad was 68 years old.
[02:03:48] Speaker A: That had to be outside of his marriage.
Also.
[02:03:51] Speaker B: Did you know Theo Vaughn's name?
[02:03:54] Speaker D: Theodore?
[02:03:56] Speaker B: You got part of it.
[02:03:58] Speaker A: I have read this somewhere before, but I don't know it off top of my head.
[02:04:00] Speaker B: Theodore Capitani Von Kurnatowski iii, known as Theo Vaughn.
[02:04:07] Speaker A: The exact opposite of what you would expect his name to be.
[02:04:11] Speaker B: So I didn't think we'd be getting into Theo Vaughn today, but there's a bunch of stuff about Theo Vaughn's family.
[02:04:17] Speaker D: Bizarre.
[02:04:17] Speaker B: Number Two.
[02:04:18] Speaker A: Incredible.
I'm mind blown that his dad had.
[02:04:24] Speaker B: Gone in keeping with the name of the themes, I guess. Apparently I made an accidental theme. Captain Crunch.
[02:04:32] Speaker A: Delicious cereal.
[02:04:33] Speaker B: Does anyone know Captain Crunch's full name?
[02:04:36] Speaker A: Captain Theodore Von Drake iii.
[02:04:39] Speaker D: Captain Bartholomew.
[02:04:41] Speaker B: You?
Captain Horatio Magellan Crunch.
[02:04:46] Speaker A: We were on the right track.
[02:04:48] Speaker B: And he captains the fictional ship the SS Guppy. Ooh.
[02:04:53] Speaker B: I guess what's maybe the more useful fact in this. Does anyone know what SS stands for in a ship?
[02:05:00] Speaker D: Starboard side.
[02:05:02] Speaker B: It's at least a guess. It's not a good one, but it's.
[02:05:08] Speaker B: Something ship.
[02:05:10] Speaker B: That was going out on a limb. Steam ship or steamer? The SS prefix was originally used to distinguish steam powered vessels from those that had sails. As if that was hard to differentiate when you saw it coming.
[02:05:24] Speaker A: Wait, do you think that thing uses steam?
[02:05:26] Speaker B: So it was either steam engine or steam propeller. The screw SS number three. Okay.
[02:05:37] Speaker B: This is gonna be Bellen's favorite. One cubic inch talking wieners.
[02:05:46] Speaker B: I'm just gonna play that clip over and over. Y' all talking wieners over here.
[02:05:52] Speaker B: One cubic inch of human bone.
[02:05:56] Speaker A: See, I told you.
[02:05:58] Speaker B: I told you not a 1 inch bone.
1 cubic inch of human bone can bear the weight.
[02:06:06] Speaker A: Of a whale.
[02:06:09] Speaker B: That would be incredible. Of five standard pickup trucks, healthy human bone is four times stronger than an equivalent amount.
[02:06:21] Speaker B: Spell checked here. Equivalent amount of Corvette. It's concrete, not corvettes.
[02:06:29] Speaker B: Thank you. AI.
[02:06:30] Speaker A: Oh, good God.
[02:06:31] Speaker B: Bone is also bone. Bone is also considered stronger than steel on a weight for weight basis.
[02:06:39] Speaker A: Okay, wow.
I knew that one actually, but I.
[02:06:42] Speaker B: Oh, you knew that one. That's right. When I said bone is one you begin using immediately with the penises.
[02:06:49] Speaker A: I don't know where you're going with this.
[02:06:50] Speaker B: That's facts for dinner days.
Most useless facts you could ever know because I don't think you can get 1 cubic inch of bone because your bone is already formed and it's not a cubic inch anywhere. Anywhere.
[02:07:01] Speaker A: Fair. Speaking of penises, bone, you ready to go home?
[02:07:04] Speaker D: Yes, absolutely.
[02:07:08] Speaker D: Bon appetit.
[02:07:09] Speaker A: That's what he says when I say, speaking of penises.
[02:07:13] Speaker B: Don'T just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:07:17] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
[02:07:23] Speaker B: Burning river sportscast.
[02:07:29] Speaker B: Hey, now you're an all stars. Game on.
[02:07:32] Speaker A: Git.
Hey, now you're a rock star.
Get paid. All that glitters is gold.
[02:07:41] Speaker B: Only shooting star break the mil.
[02:07:47] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:07:48] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:07:50] Speaker D: Good night, Akron.
[02:07:51] Speaker A: Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's house.
[02:08:04] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:08:08] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:08:11] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:08:13] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and Shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the burning river. Sports cab. Motorboat. You play the motorboat?
[02:08:27] Speaker A: You motorboat? Son of a.
[02:08:29] Speaker B: You old seal. Are you. You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:08:32] Speaker D: What?
[02:08:32] Speaker A: What were you think? Nothing could. You don't have thoughts cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:08:36] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:08:37] Speaker A: My name is Utrid, Son of Utrid, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:08:44] Speaker B: Women's Guide to To Anal Sex and it was the second edition. Who makes second edition?
[02:08:50] Speaker D: The weather outside is weather.
[02:08:52] Speaker A: The other one.
[02:08:52] Speaker B: The finger.
[02:08:53] Speaker A: The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh my God.
[02:08:56] Speaker E: My ass is full of shit.
[02:08:59] Speaker B: Everywhere.
[02:09:00] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:09:01] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:09:03] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:09:03] Speaker A: Oh no.
[02:09:05] Speaker E: We suck again.
[02:09:06] Speaker D: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:09:09] Speaker B: And Jesus. And Jesus.
[02:09:11] Speaker D: That's right.
[02:09:12] Speaker A: Touchdown number one.
[02:09:13] Speaker F: What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
[02:09:15] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:09:18] Speaker B: Timber.
[02:09:21] Speaker A: Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like meat pod Slow roasted.
[02:09:29] Speaker B: The leads are weak. The leads are weak.
Leads are weak.
[02:09:34] Speaker E: You're weak.
[02:09:35] Speaker B: That we should send a team of oil core drillers.
[02:09:37] Speaker C: Allah.
[02:09:37] Speaker B: Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:09:44] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[02:09:49] Speaker B: Oh, Lord.
[02:09:50] Speaker A: I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:09:54] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:09:55] Speaker A: But damn.
[02:09:56] Speaker B: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:10:01] Speaker B: You know why, mister? Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:10:05] Speaker A: I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any long.
[02:10:16] Speaker D: This is.
[02:10:16] Speaker A: This is.
[02:10:17] Speaker D: It's Mother Nature.
[02:10:18] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:10:20] Speaker B: Where's Logo Girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love for cheese Girl. We need cheese Girl now. Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson. Who's canceled now?
Who's cancelled now?
[02:10:32] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:10:33] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people?
[02:10:35] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:10:37] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:10:41] Speaker A: No way. You just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:10:46] Speaker D: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:10:52] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked that's cool, man. Whatever.
[02:10:54] Speaker D: No, no, no, no, no.
[02:10:56] Speaker A: Most people, like, they're driving along and they're like, in between meals, like, I'm a little hungry. I'm gonna have a granola bar. And it's like, I need a cheeseburger.
[02:11:03] Speaker E: Are you not entertained?
[02:11:05] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
[02:11:09] Speaker C: Is this not why you here?
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