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[00:01:11] Speaker B: It's time.
Time for the Burning River Sportscast.
I don't.
I don't know anymore, guys.
We lost to the Titans.
They're the worst team in the league. So I guess by transitive property, we're the worst team in the league.
I usually have something clever or pithy to say.
Frankly, I'm just at a loss. Guys. This team is ass. The coaching staff is ass. The front office is ass. The ownership group is ass. We're like the cardi b of asses.
The MGM hotel of asses.
The Hoover dam of asses.
Just a giant sequoia of ass.
This just isn't fun anymore. It's just sad. And we all just pretend like one day everything will turn around and be fixed and everything will be great.
[00:01:59] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: We'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:07] Speaker C: What the actual living dog was that? Kevin, you suck. And you are gone.
For those of you who are listening, who haven't called yet, listen. You don't have to be good at the call. Just listen to angry Bobby every week. He's not good either. Goodbye. Get rid of everybody. Good night. Good day.
[00:02:30] Speaker D: I was drinking a little bit.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: It is Joe Thomas's meat.
[00:02:33] Speaker D: Hey, Steelers, Kiss my ass.
[00:02:35] Speaker B: Look, Miles called himself out. He said they didn't defend the run and they don't earn the run.
I can't talk. They didn't earn the right to run. Rush the passer. I still can't. Just finish.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: I'm gonna finish.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: All right.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: Sorry. Toledo. Yeah, we have people that listen to Toledo. What are you doing?
[00:02:53] Speaker D: Bring somebody with a chip on his shoulder. I don't want somebody wearing a diaper dookie. They can make more money on a Shania Twain concert or something.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: Looks like every kid in Stranger things had a baby together. Just all the guys.
[00:03:06] Speaker D: Okay, now let's get on with the rest of the interview that we can broadcast. Hey, everything's going great. I absolutely love the Browns. I love what Stefanski's going shador is our answer. You know, I mean, this is just incredible. It really is. I can't wait for the new stadium.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Welcome in to the burning river sports kids, presented by the fine folks at tapping Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. My partner today brings everyone so much joy every time he leaves the room. And his wife will probably bring a date to his funeral. He's red hot Rowney jams.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: And on the board today, he's got a delightful tone and he's chiseled out of stone. He's the big bone man.
[00:03:48] Speaker D: Bone.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: Why do walruses love Tupperware? So.
[00:03:54] Speaker E: They can tusk it.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: They love a tight seal.
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[00:04:56] Speaker B: I love big John.
[00:04:57] Speaker A: An interview with another Brownsbackers chapter. Tonight we got the glass city Brownsbackers and of course, the Week 15 preview for the game against the Bears. So with that, guys, what's the difference between a butthole and a refrigerator?
[00:05:10] Speaker E: One's cold, one's hot.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: I like it.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: Close. Close, Kenny.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: That's as good as I got.
[00:05:15] Speaker A: A fridge doesn't fart when you pull the meat out.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: That's a truer story than you know.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: So let's go ahead and get things started with the burning of our new story of.
Bringing for a new Story of the week. The Akron Rubber Ducks have been sold to the Prospector Baseball Group. Longtime owner Ken Babby has sold the team. Kenny, I know you're devastated about this. Tell us about your stories with Ken Babby. You and him go back, way back.
[00:05:50] Speaker B: I mean, we do share a common namesake. Yeah, it's a strong name.
No, it's just the end of an era. I mean, Ken Babby has owned the Rubber Ducks for a while. Obviously led the name change to the Rubber Ducks. We met Ken Babby many, many moons ago at Bones bachelor party. When we got the suite up there, he came in individually to thank us.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: We had just broken a table.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: Shortly after, we had broken a table in the suite, arm wrestling. So we appreciate him not being too.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: Upset with us, but we say arm wrestling. I actually choke slammed Kenny through the table. It was just WWE style wrestling in there.
[00:06:25] Speaker F: That's not.
[00:06:27] Speaker B: But what did happen is Ken baby was very accommodating to us, very nice. And this was a guy that, you know, for an owner of, you know, it's a minor league franchise, but still a guy with, you know, a decent level of authority and power and money. Sure was a guy that was literally out front before every Rubber Ducks game, shaking hands, appreciating and thanking fans for, for coming out. He led a lot of community works projects, a lot of investment in that stadium to make it a very family friendly atmosphere. I pretty much every night during the spring and summer they've got, you know, fireworks and stuff for, for the kiddos after the game. It's just a real nice experience.
I think it's, it's near and dear to the hearts of everyone in Akron because it's just one of those fun things you can do that's still relatively affordable to take young kids to the game, that sort of thing. Have family outings and such.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: I mean, hell, they give so many tickets away for, for like different school events or charity events or whatever the case may be. Like, chances are you could probably find a free ticket to the game.
[00:07:27] Speaker B: And it's just, it's a nice stadium experience.
High end food vendors in there. The stadium is beautiful. It's been well taken care of.
So, you know, I don't have anything bad to say about this prospect or baseball group. I don't know much about them. I know they're very tech forward, very interested in community events and being, you know, the ballpark being kind of the center of the community. They do a lot of work with minor league franchises around the country. And Ken Babby, I Know, recently was a part of a. An ownership acquisition or at least as a part owner of an MLB club. I believe it's the Marlins. I could be wrong on that.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: It is the Marlins.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: So it was kind of, you know, the natural next step for him to unload the Guardians, you know, Double A or whatever minor league team.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: So you mentioned that he was part of bringing the name change and turning us into the Rubber Ducks, which I know there's some. Some people trying to change it back to the Arrows now. No, I love the Rubber Ducks. I think it's a great plan. Like, just that we're the rubber capital of the world or were at least at one point.
And I don't. I actually like them going with the classic Rubber Ducks logo, like a. Like a rubber ducky logo. Then the mean duck. Yeah, then the mean duck, because that's their alternate is the. The actual rubber duck.
But that being said, I just love how it ties into Akron and it's a minor league team, so you always got, like, the silly nicknames of minor league teams.
Speaking of silly nicknames, he also owned the Jacksonville Suns and renamed them the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp.
[00:08:53] Speaker B: Excellent name.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: But then he also sold them to that. That same group.
[00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a vocal minority of people that basically were in the nud broke that were kind of pushing to bring the Akron Arrows namesake back to the team, which. No, I just don't. I don't know why so many people identify with that. It wasn't like they were the Akron Arrows very long because for most of.
[00:09:11] Speaker A: Our generation just has to have something to.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: About, you know, for most of their existence, I believe they were the, you know, Akron Canton Indians. So it wasn't like they spent eight decades as the.
[00:09:21] Speaker D: Right.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: The Arrows. So I don't know why there's nostalgia.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: There, but my exact six years of childhood was the Arrows. So we need to bring it back.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: They were the Arrows when we met Babby because we got pictures with Astro or whatever the hell the. The mascot's name was.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: At the time.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: How long you been married, Bone?
[00:09:41] Speaker E: I think since like 2013.
[00:09:43] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:09:46] Speaker E: Right.
[00:09:47] Speaker B: Because. Yeah, the 14 or 15. I think they changed the Rubber Ducks. So I guess my point is, like, they've been the Rubber Ducks almost as long as they've been the Arrows, probably when you map it all out. So.
But yeah, I mean, the Rubber Ducks is a cool name. It's a cool homage to Akron.
[00:10:00] Speaker A: So I'm a big fan. Don't touch Rubber Duck's name.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: But. But I guess. Happy trails, Ken Babby. Well done as a minor league owner here in Akron. Did a lot for the community and, you know, onto bigger and better things.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: Yep. And one more thing. Before we get to the Browns, let me remind you to call the Bernie sportscast.
I'll tell you the number in a minute, but we're gonna take some hot takes from the hot take hotline.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Oh, we're gonna listen to him right now.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: Let's listen to him. I keep talking while you're saying that.
If you call the hot take hotline, remember this is an answering machine that's set up an answ. Like those exist anymore. It's a voicemail set up so that you guys could call and vent about the Browns. If you're not upset about the Browns and how things are going the last however long you got problems. And I'm talking a really long time. Kenny, how are. How are you not able to pull up messages right now?
[00:10:45] Speaker B: Trying to find the one for Sunday.
[00:10:50] Speaker A: This is good radio.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: Here we go.
[00:10:52] Speaker C: What the living, actual dead shit. What was that, man?
Heaven's a bad key gone door Sanders. I'm officially on it, gents. And I. I can't even blame the old line anymore. I know the Titans store is a dog.
What the actual living dog was that? Kevin Stefanski.
Get away from my team. Get away from my future quarterback. Get away from my future picks. Don't even touch the clean fr.
I want you off.
Yes. I got no hot take because you're priority talking about him. Goodbye.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: That was Kevin.
[00:11:31] Speaker B: Welcome, Kevin, to not only just the exodus of Kevin Stefanski, but also to the Shador train.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, we're actually going to get into this tonight because I think. I mean, I'm ready to say it. Like, I think we're all officially on the Shador train. Like, he is better than any prospect that's coming out in next year's draft. You need to build the team around him and see what he's got for an entire season next year.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: And I've been cautiously optimistic. I think I've tried to remain as objective as possible this season.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: I think we've done a pretty good job of that.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: But. But I was. I was going way back when to before the draft, like, because we. We argued about this at the time. I said, oh, he's one of the best quarterbacks in college football. And you said by what? Matt Trick? And. And like, he was the guy that I wanted. So I've tried to remain objective and I think I've done a Fair job of that.
But I agree. I mean, I am fully on board. Like, let's see what this kid has. He was a good college player. He's got a good pedigree and he's played well to this point.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: And to be fair, I said I didn't like him at number two overall or even in the top, like 10. When we got him in the fifth round, I was very excited. So I was like, oh, you got him in the fifth. Okay, now we're, now we're talking. And I think that even though I had some reservations up front, I did a good job of remaining objective throughout the season.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: If he ends up being a franchise quarterback, though, would it have mattered whether he went first overall?
[00:12:46] Speaker E: No.
[00:12:47] Speaker A: But we were also able to get a lot of good players with the picks that we traded. For sure.
[00:12:51] Speaker B: That's fair value pick in the fifth round. For sure.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
But the other thing I wanted to tell Kevin, your first sentence made absolutely no sense. He said what in the actual living dead dog shit or whatever he said. Those are two opposite things.
[00:13:04] Speaker B: You should see the transcription because it has no idea where he was going.
[00:13:09] Speaker A: Who's next?
[00:13:10] Speaker B: Who's next? Bill Goldberg is back.
[00:13:13] Speaker C: It's Big Game James. I just got back from the Browns.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: Game, sat on a 50 yard line, saw every play, every snap, every down.
And my take this week is Shador.
[00:13:28] Speaker C: Sanders had a career game.
[00:13:29] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:13:30] Speaker C: With that third quarter interception.
Killed the game.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: We would have won that if he did not throw that interception.
But I still am coming around on Shador Sanders now.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: There we go.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: That was the end. So Big Game James is a new name.
[00:13:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:48] Speaker B: We, we welcome you to the Hot take hotline. We welcome you to.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: Keep calling. Yeah, please keep calling.
I will say this.
I think you said your hot take is that the interception lost us the game. I 100 disagree with you. The defense giving up 31 points and the special teams letting a punt get blocked.
[00:14:05] Speaker B: The two point failures.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: Yeah, the two point failures didn't help. Going for two on the first, like all of those things lost us the game. Shador Sanders throwing an interception did not lose us a game.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: Not being able to stop the run was especially damning.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
And look, I mean, I'm glad that you're coming around to him. I think more people should start coming around to him because here's the thing, he's doing this all as a rookie quarterback. And that's what people lose in all this. They want him to be perfect. He's a rookie quarterback. He's not going to be perfect. Even when he's a veteran quarterback, he's not going to be perfect. So you got to just temper your expectations. I don't know why everybody thinks he needs to be Tom Brady out the gate. Like, it's not going to happen.
[00:14:45] Speaker E: I think that's the big thing from that call is he. You can kind of see, like, he was not a Shador guy. So he's going to have his biases against him, which came through in the call. And then like he said, he's like, he's coming around like, yeah, that's.
[00:14:56] Speaker A: That's good. That's progress.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: That's what I was going to say. It's a great call out, Bowen, because I think even if you weren't optimistic about Shador coming in, I think as you're watching him now, even if he wasn't your guy or you thought there was a better prospect out there, watching what we've seen for the last three weeks, you have to start going. It's impressive. Okay, there's something there. I mean, the interception sure was bad, but all quarterbacks throw interceptions. There were some really, really awful throws this, this last weekend that, that played out. And, and he's thrown as a starter, five touchdowns to two interceptions.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:28] Speaker B: Cam Ward coming in, had thrown seven touchdowns on the season and six interceptions. So he's. He's doing. He. He's playing the position competently. Whether or not, you know, what his ceiling is like, we don't know yet, but he is right now, basically what we have been asking for in Cleveland since 1999, which is just competent quarterback play. Just don't suck ass to the point where we can't do anything. And if you just rewind a little bit back into the Dylan Gabriel days where the offense literally couldn't move the football like that's. We wanted better than that. And Chador is at least offering that to this point. And you can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel, which is if you had talent around him, if he had a solid offensive line, good running game, some good receivers, this kid could deliver a lot.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think the big thing here, too, is, is just the fact that again, Shador is. He's young.
We've got plenty of time with him if they just take care of him. And I think the biggest thing to helping Shador succeed is going to be getting Kevin Stefanski as away from him as we possibly can agree with that.
But, yeah, I mean, I, I like the people. A lot of people are starting to come around to him.
The other thing that I, I think I want to point out here is look at what Shador done in, in such a short period of time. Extrapolate that. I mean, there's no guarantees that he plays like that for an entire season, but if you extrapolate that he's up near the league leaders and like everything.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: And well, except for the analytics guys will tell you that the, whatever, the.
[00:16:59] Speaker A: EPA or whatever, that's fine, whatever.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: He's, he's dead last in that.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: But if, I think what's going to happen is as the season goes on, if he just has one or two more big games like that, all of a sudden you're like, oh, you did the same as some of these starters did in half a season basically. And I think it's going to start showing that he's not only a legitimate starter, but like you said, somebody we could build around going forward.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Well, I think if you are dead ass tied to the analytics world, and that's how you're grading Shador at this point is purely on whatever PFL puts out.
I mean, it's what we had here, right? I mean, Dylan Gabriel is an analytics mastermind. He's a hero in the analytics world. I'm glad you're not a good football player.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm glad you're going there because they do that survey every year. Who was the most forward thinking as far as analytics goes in the entire league? By far, not even close.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: You had the leader here in Paul D. Podesta.
[00:17:51] Speaker A: The Cleveland Browns, like as an organization they were the most tied to analytics and how they made their decisions and ran their football team for the past years, couple of five years, six years, and look what it's gotten us.
[00:18:02] Speaker E: Did the Cleveland Browns like make up that award?
[00:18:06] Speaker A: I'm just, it was, it was, it was just a survey that went around all the owners and stuff. But yeah, I mean, they probably did. They were like, you should ask this question.
[00:18:15] Speaker B: What, what drives me crazy about the analytics world is that everybody that you talk to, every player, every coach, outside of the guys that, that look at that as religious text.
Most everyone that's looking at it objectively from a common sense standpoint goes, okay, information is good for decision making. You should have more information.
But at some point, football still matters. Being a football guy still matters. And I think that's the one thing you hear from players a lot is that like situational awareness, football, the game is still the game. You still have to make the right calls at the right time and make the right plays at the right time, no matter what the numbers say.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: Absolutely. We got more calls. Let's. Let's go ahead and get into the next one.
[00:18:55] Speaker C: Another Sunday where a hundred Browns fans show up at a Mile High and Kevin can't even play for a freaking tie game. We are looking.
I should be watching overtime right now.
I should be watching over overtime right now. But no, Kevin's gotta go for two when we're two scores down. So Kevin, you suck and you are gone.
So we gotta stay here to Mile High these days.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: Is that it? From. That's. That's Cliff, obviously.
[00:19:38] Speaker B: From. Cliff.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Cliff from Mile High.
I'm sorry that Kevin keeps disappointing you week after week, but it's just going to continue to happen until he's not here anymore.
[00:19:47] Speaker B: Yeah, Cliff, you're not watching overtime. You are calling the burning sportscast hot take hotline.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: No thanks to Kevin, sir.
[00:19:55] Speaker B: So maybe we should thank Kevin actually. Hey cuz, Cliff called us because of Kevin's boneheaded calls.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: I just am so happy that like the world is waking up to this now. Like all of Cleveland Brown's fandom is waking up to the fact that he still has his small little group that, that like, you know, he could punch a nun, save the nuns. But for the most part, I think just about everybody has woken up to the fact like even I'm not going to local radio. Like even the guys that are supposed to be in the Browns corner, which we'll talk about later. But even those guys are like, I don't know what Kevin Stefanski is doing here.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: I'm not happy about it. I'm pissed off that it's taking you this long to see what's in front of your face.
[00:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And everybody thinks it was their idea we've been talking about for four years, right?
Who's next? Who's next?
[00:20:38] Speaker B: Bill Goldberg.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: Hey guys, it's Menachem from the Browns backers of North Jersey. How you guys doing? How many weeks? We're gonna say the same friggin thing.
How many weeks?
Special teams suck.
I can't stand it. It's enough. So I'm gonna talk positively. I'm gonna say something good. Shador looked really good today. Get a bad throw here. There's but really looks like he's getting the understanding how to be a professional quarterback. He's played very well and as Bobby said last week in his call, every week he's improved and he continued that today. That's all you can ask of him. Hal Fanning has been playing Great.
I'm so happy. He has the record for the Browns record for receiving yards by a tight end and that's that.
I don't know if it's considered a hot take or not. I'm gonna put this out there. I think it's.
You guys do a great service letting people call in and like let out their feelings.
I think more people gotta be calling.
And for those of you who are listening, who haven't called yet, listen. You don't have to be good at the call. Just listen to angry Bobby every week.
He's not good either. Throw Kevin into that mix. For that matter, Cliff from the Mile High Downs backers is pretty good. Very good. We like him.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: He's good.
[00:22:06] Speaker C: I'm obviously amazing, but like, you don't have to be that great to be better than Bobby.
To call, call the number. It's cathartic.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: It really is.
[00:22:17] Speaker C: It really is. It lets you get your feelings out for a moment or two and, and really it puts a smile on your face afterwards. Hope you guys have a great week. Hopefully we'll speak to you soon. All the best. Let's get some more callers.
[00:22:30] Speaker A: Dude, Menockum, man, we're gonna hire Menachem Menockam.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: Just continues to deliver week after week.
[00:22:36] Speaker A: I just love two things about that call. One, Monochem's hot take was called the Hot Take Hotline.
And two, he just shit all over Bobby after it. He was like, you can't be worse than Bobby.
It's impossible.
[00:22:50] Speaker B: I like that he said, you know, how many weeks can we keep doing this where we just say the same things over and over again? Men, that's our show. That's the show. That's why you come to the Burning River Sportscast for the same takes over and over and over again.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: That's why we're here.
It's weird because ever since we started doing the same takes over and over again, we've gotten pretty popular. Like that's what people want.
[00:23:14] Speaker B: I, I, I love pimping the hot Take Hotline. That's awesome, Workman. We appreciate you.
[00:23:18] Speaker A: Keep calling.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Get your friends to call.
Excellent points made all around by Menachem.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah, the biggest point that he made, I think was it's cathartic. It just, it lets you get your feelings out. You feel a little bit better after that. You can move on with your Sunday.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: That was the original idea behind the Hot Take Hotline is there's so much pent up frustration and anger always with this franchise that you need some outlet, something, some place to let it out and. And let the world know that we're not all alone in this. We're all together in this effort of rooting for this franchise that we don't understand.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: Be angry with us so you don't have to be angry with your friends and family the rest of the day.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: And it doesn't take a lot to be better than angry, Bobby.
[00:23:59] Speaker A: Right? Yeah.
Yeah. So one more time.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Hey, we're not done yet.
[00:24:04] Speaker A: Oh, we got another call. I mean, that was four.
[00:24:07] Speaker B: We might have five. This might be a spam call. I don't know. We'll give it a shot and see what happens.
[00:24:11] Speaker A: We might have to cut this one.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: It's a voicemail, so we'll see.
[00:24:14] Speaker E: Good morning.
Yes.
[00:24:17] Speaker C: Once again, I waited till Monday morning to call to calm myself down.
Was a very, very bad weekend for Bobby from the Brown Sacks of North Jersey. First Mountain Union loss, pretty much unheard of.
Then Ohio State loss, then loving Brown.
I'm not even angry anymore. Not angry anymore. Stop being angry.
I'm gonna use Stefanik's words.
I'm frustrated, I'm disappointed.
And my hot take, though, is I think we might really have found our quarterback.
Yes, it was the Titans, but I think he looked pretty good again.
Just getting better every game.
We have no offensive line. All backups now, except for Petonio.
I don't even know what postage injury is now. He's probably out for the rest of the year. But still, we'll get to see Whippler.
[00:25:25] Speaker F: I don't know.
[00:25:26] Speaker C: We couldn't get the running game going yesterday, but the Titans sure got their running game going.
What the hell was that? So I don't know where the defense was yesterday. The one game where we got some offense, the defense doesn't show up. So Tony Pollard just ran all over us.
What else? Special teams again.
Opening kickoff.
The Titans hadn't scored a touchdown in the opening drive all year, yet they do it against the Browns. And a blocked punt. Stupid mistakes once again.
Constantly.
Then why do we go for 2 points when we're down by 14? I know the analytics say go for 2, but analytics don't work for us. Just kick the extra point.
We could have tied the game, gone into overtime, and who knows what happens?
But we had a good crowd there yesterday.
I was very happy.
Then we got to watch the game. Then we're all disappointed again. We played great for a half. That's it.
On to the Bears next week. Another hot take.
We're not going to win another game the rest of the year. We're going to finish 3:14.
Blow this thing up.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:26:59] Speaker C: I said we have Sugar Sanders as our possible quarterback, but I don't want this regime coaching him.
Goodbye. Get rid of everybody. Good night. Good day. Have a great week.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: Angry. Bobby is angry. He's. I'm not angry, but I'm angry.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: He's not angry anymore. What do we do with a Bobby that's not angry?
[00:27:18] Speaker A: Angry Bobby was not angry for all of, like 30 seconds. He was like, wait, I am angry.
[00:27:24] Speaker B: It's amazing.
We talk about how almost every week there's an infamous, you know, play during a Browns game. It's amazing how many last week held in one game. That means Bobby went through the entire litany, all of them, of the special teams failures, the defensive failures, literally from the. The onset, from the kickoff.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: The whole game was an infamous play.
Yeah. And I appreciate, although they lost, I appreciate the shout out for Mount Union. I don't know if he did that on purpose or not, but nobody cares about you. Well, I'm just saying they did loot and they lost to John Carroll, another Ohio team. What. What is going on?
[00:28:04] Speaker B: I don't think John Carroll usually beats them.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: No, no, no. John Carroll's really good, though. They are the ninth nine seed in the.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: Well, they beat Mount Union, so they are okay at least.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: And then, yeah, Ohio State did lose. That feels bad. And the Browns did lose as well. So everybody lost. Ohio sucks.
[00:28:18] Speaker E: Yep.
[00:28:19] Speaker B: In keeping with the theme of the hot take hotline, I have to unleash my own hot take here briefly.
It does seem like the tide is turning. People have come now to realize that Kevin Stefanski sucks ass.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: Gastroenteroenterologist.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: Yes. And they are coming on board the Shador train.
[00:28:41] Speaker A: Welcome.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: And. And I do think that Shador has the opportunity now as the starter for the rest of the season to. To continue to improve and show everybody that he's a competent NFL quarterback. And I think that he will trust me when I say that the Browns can and will screw this up.
[00:28:57] Speaker E: Oh, yeah.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: Even if Shador looks great through the end of the year and everybody, all the momentum, all the energy will behind Shador and people will be on board.
Fernando Mendoza. It's gonna. It's gonna happen. I mean, one is somebody Tyson. It'll be. It's gonna happen. The Browns will find a way to break this, even if it's good.
[00:29:15] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it's like they got a. They got a glimpse. So let's crush it. Let's destroy it.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: Rome was once A whisper.
I forget what he says. What's. What's he saying?
[00:29:27] Speaker A: Good talk there.
[00:29:28] Speaker B: You could barely hear it. Then it gets crushed.
[00:29:31] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:29:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
But that was the hot take hotline.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: That was.
[00:29:36] Speaker A: Remember, keep those hot takes coming. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
[00:29:40] Speaker B: We do want the hot takes. Give us the hot pancakes and hot takes.
[00:29:43] Speaker A: Hot cakes, hot takes. 3302-2780-8133-0222-780-81330, 222-881, calls now.
[00:29:54] Speaker B: We'll kick you right in the Haslam's.
[00:29:56] Speaker A: Right in the Jimmy.
Speaking of hot takes, it's time for ticket with the macho fan.
[00:30:09] Speaker B: Rain, sleet or snow, we're ready to go. And that's what we're gonna do when we're going to the windy City. That's red Chicago. We're coming with the dog pound. We ain't afraid of no bears. That's right. These dogs are gonna pray, put up a fight. We're not gonna be a walk in the park like you think. And let me tell you, we have some promising young talent. We got a defense that's hungry, hungry to set a record. And I can't wait until this Sunday when we break history and it's gonna be all on you, Bears.
[00:30:40] Speaker C: Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
[00:30:43] Speaker A: Let's go, Browns date.
[00:30:46] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: Macho ma.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: Macho fan.
I want to be a macho fan.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: We love macho fan.
[00:31:04] Speaker B: I love how that's just become the.
That's the retort to anything. Macho fan.
[00:31:08] Speaker A: You did it first, so it's your fault.
All right, let's talk about dog of the week. It's time for the burning river sportscast.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: Dog of the week.
You got to play tough people in the National Football League. You got to be ready, and we got to be the dogs that we are. Every time we step on their own and be ready to attack and don't stop until we're in that locker room.
[00:31:36] Speaker A: All right. We leave it up to our listeners and followers to determine the burning of our sportscast dog of the week. Each week on our live shows on Sunday night, we each nominate a dog of the week candidate. From there, we turn it over to all of you on our socials to vote and make the final decision. Kenny, who was your nominee?
[00:31:50] Speaker B: She D. Sanders.
[00:31:51] Speaker A: Mine was Carson. Schwezing. Schwezinger. Schweisinger. Schwezinger.
[00:31:55] Speaker B: Good word, Art.
[00:31:57] Speaker A: And Bob Bone, who was yours?
[00:31:58] Speaker E: Ah, Mr. Harold Fanning Jr.
[00:32:01] Speaker A: I like how every time Bone says his name, there's a G at the end of it.
[00:32:05] Speaker E: I even do it in the text message.
[00:32:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think we've talked enough about how weird of a name Harold is.
[00:32:11] Speaker E: Harold, that's a great name.
[00:32:13] Speaker B: Just doesn't. He doesn't look like a herald.
[00:32:15] Speaker A: I would agree with that. He does not look like a herald.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: Just a big jacked dude.
[00:32:20] Speaker A: No.
After the fan vote that was conducted on our social media, this week's burning sportscast dog of the week is Shador Sanders.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: Wrist shots.
[00:32:33] Speaker A: So Shador Sanders with the big game. 23 of 42, 364 yards, three touchdowns, one interception, three rushes for 29 yards, and another touchdown.
I mean, that's like a legitimate game. That's like one of the better games probably in the NFL this year, to be honest with you.
[00:32:48] Speaker B: I can tell you, I mean, we've been talking about this for a couple of weeks, just about the fact that Shador was getting to play at the tail end of the season. We expected the. The weather, the conditions to be poor. I did not think. And I've been rooting for the guy. I did not think that he would have a game like this between now and the end of the year.
[00:33:03] Speaker A: No, in the case, I just didn't.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Think it was possible.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: And that's kind of what I was talking about a little bit ago is if you put up another big game in the conditions that you're sure to play in the next few weeks, like, yeah, like, okay, now you start opening some real eyes and say, I mean, he already has, but it's almost impossible to deny at that point. Like, well, it's been one of the.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: Things that we've struggled with with quarterback since the Browns have come back, because we've always had this idea that, like, you play on the lake, the weather in. In December and January is poor.
And do we have a quarterback that has the arm talent, the arm strength to play in the poor conditions? And, you know, Shador went out and showed it.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: I mean, you can say what you want about the Titans not being very good, and that's all true. But you still got to throw the ball, and you still got to throw it on time, and it's still cold and blustery out, and in a couple.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: Years, it's not gonna matter if that.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: It won't matter at all.
[00:33:55] Speaker C: All.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: Yeah. So Shador Sanders earns his very first burning Sportscast dog of the week honors. So good on him. Next up, we got the Browns brief.
All right, so. So in the Browns brief, it's like in the Browns briefs. In the Browns Brief this week, DeSean Watson has been designated to return to practice. I'll just leave that there.
[00:34:31] Speaker B: Yeah, there it goes.
[00:34:31] Speaker A: I knew it was coming, so I just left it there. So smart.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: Who's excited?
[00:34:37] Speaker A: Nobody. It was just news.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: It was just Anthony Lima going through the motions.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: I think the worst part about this news is when they. When the Browns announced that he was designated to return to practice, it was followed up by a story of he's for sure coming back next year in their looking forward to the rest of it. You know, him continuing to come back from the injury and seeing what he can do in the off season. To me that sounds like he's almost like their insurance plan. Like if they do decide to go with one of the younger guys all of next year, like, this is your backup and he may legitimately play next year, which makes me pretty pissed off, to be honest.
[00:35:14] Speaker B: I don't think they can go back to him in any capacity as a starter. Right. Like, I don't think they can go into the off season and be like, well, he's the best quarterback we have on the roster right now, so we're going to play him week one. I don't think they can do that. Jimmy all over him agreed and admitted it was a mistake. So I don't think that they can roll with him as a starter into the season.
You know, what does he look like as a mentor to young quarterbacks? I don't know that that's the guy with the background that I want teaching my young quarterback how to play.
But I will say that if you take Shador and even Dylan Gabriel as QB1 and QB2 into next season and he's not the worst QB3 from a talent and skill standpoint that you could have on your roster. In the event that both of those guys get hurt and you have to break glass in case of emergency, here's a hot take.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: Cause I just. I know that none of us on this show care for Desean Watson.
I would prefer Desean Watson over Dylan Gabriel's QB2.
[00:36:13] Speaker C: I would.
[00:36:13] Speaker E: Sure, I would probably agree with that.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: I think that's fair. And, and I think.
And I think, I think his game mirrors more Shadors. And when you're thinking about scheme and practice and game plan through the week versus what you have to do and have to change for Dylan Gabriel to come into the game should somebody go down with an injury. So I mean, I think that makes sense.
I just.
[00:36:36] Speaker A: It's probably not.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: I mean, you're not going to get me hot in the shorts excited about Deshaun.
[00:36:40] Speaker A: If we can get Kevin Stefanski out of here, Dylan Gabriel's probably gone with him.
[00:36:43] Speaker E: I was just thinking that, like, why even keep him on the team?
[00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I think they will just because he's a second year player. But he's definitely just going to be. He's going to be backup. He's going to be like our short little guy that we make fun of.
Yeah. Little coconut pick on in the off season. He's. He's like getting constantly hazed.
Yeah.
I, There's a lot of talk me some coffee.
[00:37:05] Speaker B: There's a lot of talk about Kevin Savinsky getting another head coaching gig outside of Cleveland. If he gets fired here, maybe he just takes Dylan.
Maybe if he goes to New York, maybe he takes Dylan here.
[00:37:16] Speaker E: He is the top candidate.
[00:37:17] Speaker C: Candidate.
[00:37:17] Speaker E: If he was to leave the Browns.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:19] Speaker E: And any other coaching.
[00:37:20] Speaker B: And maybe he just.
[00:37:21] Speaker A: You know who I think is putting that, that story out there?
Dylan Gabriel, Kevin Stefanski. Yeah.
[00:37:27] Speaker E: I heard Ross Tucker say it today.
[00:37:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm pretty sure their campus put it out there. Like they're, they're letting people know. Like, hey, just so you know, if I go somewhere I've already gotten like, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, like, hey, I'll be the head coach here. Like, I think that's them putting it out there.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: I would, I would welcome that. Remember, years of mediocrity under Kevin.
[00:37:44] Speaker A: Remember he has delusions of absolute adequacy. So.
[00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I've got delusions of.
[00:37:50] Speaker E: You just get me the right Kurt Cousins, I'll turn this franchise around.
[00:37:55] Speaker A: That's, that's a sounder at the top of the show.
The next up here, a couple injuries. Pochic. Speaking of achilles injuries with DeSean Watson. Pochic has an Achilles injury done for the year.
Jerome Ford, we.
He's. He's finally done. Like this has to be the last snaps with the Browns. Right.
[00:38:12] Speaker B: I don't want to cheer for the injury, but I'm excited that we don't have to watch Jerome Ford for the rest of this season.
[00:38:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So he has a shoulder injury done for the year. I'd have to imagine with the young running backs they have in there that that was the last snaps he's going to take for the Browns. I can't imagine he'll be back next year.
[00:38:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, get another one in the draft in the fifth or sixth round. I mean, bring in another guy that's. Bring in, bring in somebody that has a specialty. Right. Either bring in a bruiser or bring in like a true, like scat back type that's just a burner that can, you know, maybe be a kick return or two. Find, find one of those guys.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: They try and make Jerome Ford a kick, but he's the worst kick returner of all time.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: And I think if Dylan Sampson got more, you know, more share of the workload, like I think you have a really competent one, two punch in both those guys.
[00:38:54] Speaker A: I agree. So.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: And they're both just a little bit different enough that you can do some different things with them.
[00:38:58] Speaker A: Yes.
Next up here, we talked about a little bit already, but Shador Sanders has been officially been named the starter for the rest of the year by the Cleveland Browns.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: I mean, as if this was a hard decision to me, like this was news breaking for madness.
[00:39:10] Speaker A: Decision should have been made like six weeks ago.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean if you're watching, if, if you're watching the game and you have a pulse and you weren't sure, sure, maybe we're going to go back to Dylan. Like get the fuck out.
[00:39:20] Speaker A: You would be amazed at how many people on social media still just want to go back to Dylan. I'm just like, it's insane.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: I don't know what they were watching.
[00:39:29] Speaker A: But I don't know.
[00:39:30] Speaker B: They enjoy the delusions of adequacy.
[00:39:32] Speaker A: Speaking of Shador haters, we talked about Lima last week and his, his completely asinine take that. He's ready to go back to DeShawn Watson.
[00:39:42] Speaker B: He's excited. He's the one. He's the guy.
[00:39:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
This week he's in a little bit of hot water on his own network, mind you, because Friends. Yeah. He admitted on air that he, he basically before the season started and into the early parts of the season, he was just regurgitating all of the information that was fed to him by the Cleveland Browns that Dylan Gabriel is a supercomputer. Dylan Gabriel is so much better than Shador. All that crap literally came from the Cleveland Browns and was told to him. He admitted that he basically didn't see any of it live. He just was going with what they said.
[00:40:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, his own, his own, you know, peers.
[00:40:20] Speaker A: The afternoon show. Yeah, the afternoon show jumped on him and said if first of all that that's weak and if that's what you're doing, like that's Unfair to the fans that are listening to the show. Like, that's not. That's not journalism. I mean, they went pretty hard at him. They were like, that's not journalism. That's not what we do.
[00:40:35] Speaker B: Well, they told him to have an original thought.
[00:40:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that was the exact quote. I'm pretty sure was. Was have an original thought. Think for yourself.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: And he rebutted. I mean, in his rebuttal, he basically he said was not so much that he. He admitted it, but that was the narrative. That was a story that he basically said, like, if it's coming from guys like Albert Breer, if it's coming from guys like Daryl Rider, that he assumes it to be true. Like, where there's smoke, there's fire, essentially.
[00:41:01] Speaker A: I also like that in his attempt to walk it back and protect himself, one he said, I never heard from the Browns directly. So he's trying to protect his.
Whoever the sources are that are leaking him stories.
[00:41:12] Speaker B: Well, because he did say that there were times in the past that he had been leaked stories.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: This wasn't one of them to share. Yeah, I like that he tried to.
And then in the process, he also on fellow reporters and was just like, wow, is they do it like, okay, one, we all kind of knew that. Cause they work for the Cleveland Browns. And two, like, like, what's the. What are you trying to do here? Like, I'm pretty sure this is more damning to Lima than he really fair cares to admit.
[00:41:38] Speaker B: Well, yeah, Lima's made a fool of himself over the last couple of weeks.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: I wish from. I liked a lot of his takes for years. And then last week after he's calling for Deshaun Watson starting, I was like, yeah, so yeah. And the Shador hate over the last few weeks or whatever.
[00:41:56] Speaker B: So yeah, again, I like him. He's a professional. He's done. He's done all kinds of different things to calling like college games and stuff. Like he's a professional of professionals. So that's fine. It's just his takes have been really poor of late.
But I mean to.
I don't know that it was. It wasn't like this was hiding under some kind of curtain that you couldn't. Like there were people on his network, Peter, and some of these guys that were saying like, Shador is good.
Daryl Writer all year long was saying like, Dylan is throwing balls into the dirt and Shador looks to be the sharper thrower of the football. So it wasn't like there wasn't anyone saying that Shador is Good. Well, you know, purely just the. The Browns mouthpiece. It was the. It was the Mary Kay Cabots of the world that were going, oh, my goodness, he's just so impressive on the whiteboard.
[00:42:42] Speaker A: Mary K. Cabot's worthless.
Yeah.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: As if you hit. As if you take dry erase markers out onto the field on Sunday.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: So you. You hit on something there. You know what Daryl Rider had, Which. And I've been all over Daryl Rider in the past because he's had some crazy takes, too, but if you do.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: This long enough, you'll have bad takes.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we've had.
But you know what Daryl Rider had? Original thoughts.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: Original.
Something doesn't look like the other. This one looks taller and stronger and better.
[00:43:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So just. Just wanted to talk about that a little bit. Another. Another guy in the media, Jason Whitlock, he came out this week and said, quote, off the field, should or remains an absolute nightmare, which is why no NFL team wanted him. What's happened to Kevin Stefanski is completely unfair. He didn't and doesn't and shouldn't want Shador Sanders on his team. Team.
So two things about this one. I'm going to start with the easier one. What has Kevin done not to deserve any of this?
He's literally. But he's. After he's done with this season, he's going to be. For his tenure with the Browns through six years, he's going to be about 15 games under.500. Four of four out of the six seasons have been losing seasons.
Like. Like, what has he. His offense is terrible. Did you not watch the game this past week where there was just gaff after gaff after. Like, it was just terrible. And it's. It's what he doesn't understand, what Jason Whitlock doesn't understand, because I know he doesn't watch the Browns every week is. It's like this every single week.
[00:44:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: And so what has Kevin Stefanski done to, quote, not deserve this or to make it unfair for.
[00:44:17] Speaker E: They forced Baker Mayfield on him. They forced Covid on him.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:22] Speaker E: They forced Deshaun Watson on him. That's the legit.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, I mean, your point is still valid, though. Like, it's like it's never. It's never Stefanski's fault.
[00:44:32] Speaker E: It's like, you're an NFL coach, dude. Yeah. And you shipped out the starter for Sexual Predator.
[00:44:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I take more offense just with the. The idea that Shador is some kind of nightmare.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: Well, yeah, that's the other part that was Number two. What are you talking about?
[00:44:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, what, what has this kid done besides try to be professional in every instance, in every gotcha question that he's gotten, except for say I support my teammates, I support my coaches, and I'm excited to play football all year. I mean this, this kid has been doing, dealing with this not since he became a starter. He was getting asked weird questions in the locker room all year long because, because of who he is and who his dad is and at every step he's been, he's been fine. He hasn't created any kind of adverse conditions in the locker room. The team. Did you hear his like him, did.
[00:45:23] Speaker E: You response when they asked him about the two point conversion place? Yeah, he straight up, he was like.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: We executed it in practice.
Why would I think anything different?
[00:45:31] Speaker A: And he said, I want to be on the field at all times. But that's not football. There's different situations, different things that you do and, and you don't second guess your coach.
[00:45:38] Speaker B: And to the point of like, this kid is getting dumber questions than anyone else. The, the reporter went on to ask, did you execute the play in practice? And Shador was like, are you ser. Is that a real question? No, we, we never got it right once. We thought we'd just try it out in the game.
[00:45:52] Speaker A: That was my fair. He just like ended him. He was, he said, nah, I didn't work at practice. That's what you do. You run plays in the game that don't work.
[00:45:58] Speaker B: You're a professional. Why does that come out of your mouth like it's just a dumb question.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: The worst thing that, that Shador has done since he's been here is when he gave his non speaking answer. Like that was the absolute worst thing he's done. And if that's the worst thing you've done, you've done pretty damn well, especially given all the shit that he's gone through with reporters.
[00:46:16] Speaker B: But, but even with that, right, he's playing the game. He knows he's getting asinine questions. They're trying to get a reaction out of him. That's going to be a clickbait, you know, content dream for somebody, for one of these media outlets. And he was just like, I'm not playing your game. Like I'm just gonna, you know, you're gonna ask me silly questions, you're gonna get a silly response. The only thing truly that this man has done, you know, wrong, quote unquote wrong is a couple of speeding tickets.
[00:46:42] Speaker A: Has the same celebration over and over Again, show me.
[00:46:44] Speaker B: Show me a player. Like, if you're gonna be mad at Shador over the speeding ticket, do energy to Miles Garrett. I mean, he ran his Porsche off the road and flipped it a bunch of times to the point where he was injured and it impacted the season.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: And he also had another person this week.
[00:46:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: I mean, well, yeah, and he had another person.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: I mean, these things happen. And. And it is true to an extent that, like, if I was going as fast as Shador or Miles were, I probably would be treated differently. But you know what? I'm not in the NFL and those types of things are real. Right. Pretty people get free drinks in bars. It's unfair.
That's life.
[00:47:21] Speaker D: That's.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: This is where we are as a society. Blame society, not Shador.
[00:47:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think just one more point on that. Shador is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Because in those interviews where he calls out all these people asking him ask nine questions and sticks up for his coaches and his teammates, he gets shit for saying that. For. For answering kind of pointedly at the. And saying, what are you. Why are you asking me this question? He gets shipped for that.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: That.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: But if he would answer it and say anything bad about anybody, they're also going to give him there. So, like, it doesn't matter what he says or does. He's wrong.
[00:47:54] Speaker B: And. And you can say what you want about his. His confidence or arrogance. Like, I. I don't think.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being a confident player.
[00:48:05] Speaker A: And I think, look at Jackson dart. Nobody gives Jackson Dart. Like.
[00:48:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that if you.
You're not hearing that from teammates, you're not hearing that he's a problem in their locker room.
[00:48:15] Speaker A: You know, you are hearing from teammates, is that he'.
And they. They like playing with him.
[00:48:19] Speaker B: Yeah, well. And I think even his adversaries, right. Was it. Is it Jeremy or Jeffrey Simmons? I forget the defensive tackle that was harassing Shador all game long on Sunday. From the red sleeves guy.
[00:48:30] Speaker A: Yeah, old red sleeves.
[00:48:32] Speaker B: So there was a point in time where Shador had thrown a touchdown pass and literally walked directly up to him and gave him the whole wrist flick six inches from his face, you know, to which the Titans then, after they had made their play, all. When the end zone celebrated doing the wrist thing. But you know what that guy had to say after the game?
[00:48:49] Speaker D: Kids.
[00:48:49] Speaker B: Kids. Pretty remarkable. He's going to be a star in this league. He is a star in this league. That's what he said the guy that was playing across from him. So you can say what you want about arrogance and competence. Other players in the league respect it.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: They're noticing.
Yeah. And so I don't know. Jason Whitlock. You're an idiot.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: He also. I don't know how this guy hasn't been canceled yet, because in another one of his rants, he called Shadora Nepo baby and Dylan Gabriel a midget. He just, just flat out went the M word. His words, not mine. He said, oh, Cleveland's got a Nepo baby and a midget. I don't want either one of those guys.
[00:49:25] Speaker A: Now he's really confusing. Like, what.
Who's your. So who would you play in Cleveland? Like you.
[00:49:29] Speaker B: I think he's just team anybody. But yeah, so team. They don't.
[00:49:33] Speaker A: Sounds like he just hates the Cleveland Browns, that's what. Yeah, yeah.
Jason Whitlock.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: He's a clickbait guy.
[00:49:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
Finally in the Browns brief, y' all ever been to Gunselman's?
[00:49:43] Speaker E: No.
[00:49:44] Speaker B: It's on my list of places to go to because I've only ever heard good things and I think they have a couple of different, different locations. They're like different and maybe different styles at different restaurants. Like, is one Italian one's more like a steakhead. I don't know.
[00:49:56] Speaker A: I don't really know the detail of that. This isn't really an ad for Gunselman's, but I was just letting it. I mean, it kind of is, but it's on. It's not like I planned it.
[00:50:03] Speaker B: Let's call Gunselman to see if they can pay for it next time.
[00:50:05] Speaker A: Yeah, but anyways, Gunselman's has partnered with Pro Football hall of Famer Joe Thomas and Six Springs Farm, the beef farm, to introduce hall of Fame beef. Beef full blood wagyu.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: We talk about meat a lot on this show.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: Yeah, the meat pie.
[00:50:21] Speaker B: The meat pie.
[00:50:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: Slow roasted.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: So the beef hit the menu in limited quantities at the Olmstead Falls restaurant last Friday, December 5th.
[00:50:30] Speaker B: How have the reviews been?
[00:50:32] Speaker A: I, I, I don't know.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: Good research. Yeah.
[00:50:35] Speaker A: I just let you know it's out there.
[00:50:37] Speaker B: Just so you know, there's a local restaurant serving Joe Thomas's beef. No one knows if it's any good.
[00:50:41] Speaker A: It was limited quantities.
[00:50:43] Speaker B: We know it was limited quantity quantities. We don't know how many they actually sold or ate or if anybody liked it. But it was sold in limited quantities, and it is Joe Thomas's meat.
[00:50:52] Speaker A: You see how I do that?
[00:50:53] Speaker E: Do do, like, really wealthy folks who Go to, like, expensive steakhouses, leave reviews on Google.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: Right. That's kind of where I'm at you, Kenny.
[00:51:02] Speaker E: Maybe not.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: That's a fair point, actually. Next time you're reading restaurant reviews, know that it's people like us.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: Kiss my ass, Kenny.
[00:51:11] Speaker B: Hot people with the fine dining pallet. Those people are not taking time afterwards to be like, well, you know what? The caviar was X, so shut up.
[00:51:21] Speaker A: But anyways, go, go. Try hall of Fame beef.
What was that?
[00:51:25] Speaker C: Full blood.
[00:51:26] Speaker B: Wagu.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: Wagu at Gunman's.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Wagu is a whole economy of its own. There's different grades. It gets very complex.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: Shut your mouth. We're not getting to that. We don't. We are going to get into the division roundup.
[00:51:36] Speaker B: Maybe. I'll save that for facts for days.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: Shut up.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: Shut up for days.
[00:51:40] Speaker A: The division roundup.
All right, for the division roundup, let's start with Cincinnati. Cincinnati lost to Buffalo. I know Kenny's pissed off about this because he went out on a limb and picked Cincinnati.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: They got screwed. Joe Burrow just threw too many interceptions. They're so screwed themselves.
[00:52:07] Speaker A: Yeah. So everybody was right, except.
[00:52:09] Speaker B: And they still had a shot to win the thing towards the end. I mean, it was.
[00:52:12] Speaker A: Bottom line is, you're wrong. And we were all right. Thank you. Pittsburgh went into Baltimore and took care of business.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: Shador can't throw one interception without people bitching. Joe. Joe Burrow. There's two or three people are like, this guy's a perennial opera, but he.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: Almost beat the Bills.
[00:52:26] Speaker B: He almost beat the Bills.
[00:52:28] Speaker A: Pitch went into Baltimore and took care of business.
We were all wrong here, except for Bone.
And let me. Let me just point out, I got the. The location of this one wrong.
And that's why Bone literally picked Pittsburgh because he thought they were home.
[00:52:41] Speaker E: Yeah. I text him throughout the week. I was like, you Let me wrong Mr. Jams.
[00:52:47] Speaker A: And then. And then I gave him the right answer.
[00:52:49] Speaker B: I will say Baltimore did get screwed on a touchdown call. That was a no call.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: Oh, that was absolutely likely catch.
[00:52:54] Speaker B: I don't know. So I got this in so many Internet rabbit holes on this, because people were like, what? What don't you understand? You have to take three steps for it to be a catch. And I was like, that is not even in the rule. Like, that isn't.
[00:53:06] Speaker A: It's two feet down and a football move.
[00:53:08] Speaker B: It could be tucking the football. It could be a half turn, a quarter turn. It could be an extra step. Like all those things constitute a football.
[00:53:13] Speaker A: And he was, like, reaching the football so that's like a football move. Yeah. Thoughts on this? On the catch or not catch?
[00:53:18] Speaker E: Well, I saw a quick highlight from you earlier, and that was it. And it was like a one and done.
Look at it. I'm gonna say no catch because I won. I won the King of the north, and it benefited me.
[00:53:31] Speaker A: Yeah, you son of a.
[00:53:34] Speaker B: The guy that's winning King of the north that every week goes. I don't know why I'm picking it. I just. This is one.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: This is the way it's gonna be up. I won right now. I won after this week. And then finally, obviously, Cleveland lost to the Titans, and we were all idiots and picked Cleveland. So I said as we were all.
[00:53:49] Speaker B: Picking them, I was like, well, you would think that we have learned by now not to pick the Browns.
[00:53:52] Speaker A: We didn't, and we were all wrong. So for the AFC north standings are as follows. Pittsburgh's at 7 and 6. Pittsburgh back on top.
All the talk about Mike Tomlin getting fired. He's on top of the division in week 15.
[00:54:02] Speaker B: They still want him gone.
[00:54:04] Speaker A: Baltimore is at 6 and 7.
Six, seven, six, seven.
[00:54:08] Speaker E: The 67th day of school the other day.
[00:54:10] Speaker A: Six, seven.
And then Cincinnati 4 and 9 and Cleveland bringing up the rear at 3 and 10. How are we still one game behind Cincinnati?
[00:54:22] Speaker E: So terrible.
[00:54:23] Speaker A: Like, you watch Cincinnati, they look like an actual football team.
[00:54:25] Speaker B: Well, we did have the same starting quarterback for a while.
[00:54:28] Speaker A: That's fair. This season, who lost both of us, all of our games.
Yeah. So. And then current King of the north standings, which we'll get back to later when we bring Big John on.
Bone is back on top of 28 and 16.
John and I are tied right behind him at 27 and 17. And, Kenny, you suck. You're at 20 and 24.
[00:54:47] Speaker B: If I can pick one game better between now and rest of the season, I will still lose.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: So are you. Are you just getting your butthole ready for your. For your Brazilian wax?
[00:54:58] Speaker B: I mean, I'm pretty much gonna have to just pick the opposite of you guys the rest of the year and hope a miracle happens.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: You have to pick somebody to go after, though, because if you. We're all gonna pick differently. So if you just pick. You can't pick against all of us.
[00:55:10] Speaker B: Watch me.
[00:55:13] Speaker A: All right, let's take a quick trip around the NFL, Guys. You ready for this?
[00:55:27] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: Pat McAfee has announced the release of his first song, Dookie, which was released on Spotify. He has also announced that he will release a full album soon as well. You guys excited about this.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: These things never go well when you just decide one day you're going to be a rapper or whatever.
[00:55:45] Speaker A: Is he. Is he a rapper? Is a hip hop.
[00:55:47] Speaker B: I don't know. I haven't heard the song.
[00:55:48] Speaker A: Is it like parody hip hop? Is that what he's doing?
[00:55:50] Speaker F: That.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: That seems like a Pat McAfee thing to do.
[00:55:52] Speaker B: I mean, look, I'll say this, I'm man enough to admit.
[00:55:55] Speaker A: Should we listen to Dookie right here?
We can't copyright.
[00:56:00] Speaker B: Yeah, we.
I'll say this, I'm man enough to admit that I am 100% jealous of Pat McAfee and just the life that he gets to live.
I mean, first off, you play punter in the NFL, right. So you make a few million dollars playing a position that's very safe.
You never got to hit anybody. No one ever really hits you.
[00:56:18] Speaker A: He did hit a lot of people, though. He did.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: But compare that to like what Miles Garrett's body been through. It's a really.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Point taken.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: It's about as safe in the NFL position. Position you can play.
And then you start making just weird content and. And people are like, we love this guy. And now he just launched one of the biggest podcasts in the world. He gets to hang out with his friends all day long just talking about sports.
[00:56:39] Speaker A: ESPN basically paid him a billion dollars to take over a show.
[00:56:42] Speaker E: College dam game day.
[00:56:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, gets to do every. Gets to go to all these events.
[00:56:46] Speaker A: He's just standing on chairs, taking a shirt off.
[00:56:48] Speaker B: He's going to Ireland with Sheamus and drinking Guinness. Like, going to whatever soccer tournaments and fielding his own team. Like, this guy is like living the life. Flying on private jets all around the world. And now, now he's a celebrated musician.
[00:57:03] Speaker A: The craziest part is the sun never.
[00:57:05] Speaker B: Sets on the Pat McAfee empire.
[00:57:07] Speaker A: No, he truly is just like self built.
[00:57:09] Speaker B: I mean, I don't have anything bad to say about the guy. Like, he's. Everybody likes him is why he's so successful.
[00:57:15] Speaker A: He's like our brand, like everything. He's just obnoxious and says whatever he's.
[00:57:18] Speaker B: Feeling he does touch. He turns to gold.
[00:57:21] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:57:22] Speaker B: And like to bring it all home. Like, he's a, you know, he. He's got like, local flavor and like hometown boy roots and like, vibe. Like, he's just hanging out in. In for a guy that can literally go do anything. He hosts a show there in Indianapolis, Indiana, where like, everybody loves him because he played there for so long and he's just kind of stayed There it's like Midwest, small town, and he's a big fish in a small pond. But he can also go to like the Met Gala or to LA and like, fit right in.
[00:57:48] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:57:48] Speaker B: The guy is just. The guy's just a master class in life.
[00:57:51] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. So I think bottom line here is we're big Fans of Pat McAfee.
[00:57:55] Speaker B: Big, big fan. Big jealous fans.
[00:57:57] Speaker A: Yep. Next up, freaking hot wife.
[00:57:59] Speaker B: Too good for him.
[00:57:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Speaking up. Speaking of old retired guys, Philip Rivers at 44 is now the starting quarterback for the Colts.
[00:58:06] Speaker B: Not retired, anymorely retired.
[00:58:08] Speaker A: Yeah, look, he's literally old man Rivers.
[00:58:13] Speaker B: I mean, when you think about point.
[00:58:14] Speaker A: Yeah, don't break a hip, buddy.
[00:58:16] Speaker B: When you think about how desperate the league is for quarterback talent, that for a team that's competing this year, they want to win eight or nine games to. They're going, they're going. Who's the best available out there?
Let's call the guy that hasn't played.
[00:58:29] Speaker A: Since COVID This is 2020. That was the last time he played. That's wild. His oldest.
[00:58:34] Speaker B: Call the grandpa.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: His oldest child is older than his.
[00:58:37] Speaker B: Backup now, and his younger youngest is in diapers.
Wild.
[00:58:40] Speaker A: Crazy. Crazy.
[00:58:42] Speaker B: It's another guy I could be jealous of. I mean, he's got all kinds of money and a great NFL career.
[00:58:47] Speaker A: I kind of hope he just comes back and lights it up. Like, he's like, I'm gonna throw for like a like 1500 yards rest.
[00:58:54] Speaker B: We saw this play out with Joe Flacco. I mean, you come in with that like, hell, what's the worst that can happen kind of attitude and start slinging it.
[00:59:01] Speaker A: I would say that he comes in with the it mentality, but I don't think he talks about like that.
[00:59:05] Speaker B: No, no, he's. I think he's very down to earth and religious.
[00:59:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I mean. So, yeah.
[00:59:10] Speaker B: Very conservative.
[00:59:10] Speaker A: He'd be like, I don't know. I. I guess I'll let it loose.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: I guess I'll let it loose.
Fireboy.
[00:59:16] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:59:19] Speaker E: You ever hear him too back to the opposing team.
[00:59:22] Speaker A: I actually.
[00:59:23] Speaker F: True.
[00:59:23] Speaker B: He was a fire.
[00:59:24] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:59:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Bad take Red Hierony James, you know, you suck.
[00:59:28] Speaker A: He's sucked at this. He's a grandpa.
[00:59:30] Speaker B: He is a grandpa. That does change you. Being a dad changes you. Being a grandpa's got to make you worse.
[00:59:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:34] Speaker B: Mush.
[00:59:35] Speaker A: Vikings quarterback Max Brosmer threw for 126 yards, zero touchdowns and four interceptions.
Yep. Heard that right. It's really bad. This stat line has happened only once before to Tommy Thompson in 1950. Fun fact about Tommy Thompson, he was blind in one eye.
[00:59:53] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:59:55] Speaker A: So basically the Vikings new quarterback is as good as a blind guy.
[00:59:59] Speaker E: So J.J. mcCarthy didn't make it through the game.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: This was. J.J. mcCarthy was hurt, I think, the week before. So this was from his debut two weeks ago.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: J.J. mcCarthy is not good.
[01:00:08] Speaker E: He's terrible.
[01:00:09] Speaker B: He's not good.
He's really screwing up my Justin Jefferson fantasy stats, I can tell you that.
[01:00:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
Next up here, Jackson Dart has been linked to model, model ring girl Melissa Ayers. And Cam Scatter Boo is drinking chocolate milk out of his shoe on his twitch.
So basically what I'm trying to tell you is all hell has broken loose in New York since Day Ball was fired.
[01:00:30] Speaker B: It's just funny because those two are linked together so, so frequently, and they seem to be good friends. And Jackson Dar's just dating models.
He's literally drinking chocolate milk.
[01:00:40] Speaker A: Chocolate Mountain. He's milk. And he's like, sc.
Like, that's his whole. I don't really understand it, but I mean, people love him, so he's fun.
[01:00:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm. I'm sad that he isn't playing anymore this season.
[01:00:52] Speaker E: Yeah, it's fun to watch.
[01:00:55] Speaker A: It's just all quarterback talk today. Apparently, Justin Herbert tried to duck the sideline reporter after they beat the Eagles on Monday Night Football.
Kenny, I think you brought.
[01:01:03] Speaker F: You.
[01:01:03] Speaker A: You were the one that brought to this.
[01:01:04] Speaker B: I just thought it was a really bad look. It's a prime time game. You're the quarterback that wins against the defending super bowl champions like this.
[01:01:10] Speaker A: You're just expected to do a side, like a sideline interview when it's all said and done. Right.
[01:01:13] Speaker B: It's just part of being a quarterback in the NFL that, like, media availability kind of comes with the role. Yep. You get lots of money, get lots of girls, all the prestige, all the fame, like, everybody. You win when you win, you get all the credit.
[01:01:24] Speaker A: Played all day. Lots of people.
[01:01:26] Speaker B: It's a pretty good gig. Part of that is being a leader, being a face of the franchise, being accessible to the media, especially right after the win. And this poor girl is just trying to do her job. I mean, her job is to interview the starting quarterback that won the game right after the game. And he was. And he was like, I'm trying to celebrate with my teammates. She was like, well, that's kind of not how this works. I don't even care before I'm trying.
[01:01:46] Speaker A: To do my job.
You should do yours as well because you're Contractually obligated to speak to me after the game.
[01:01:51] Speaker B: It was just very rude. I don't know why he was. Why he was so adamant that he didn't want to do the interview.
[01:01:57] Speaker A: Justin Herbert, that's a real dick move.
[01:01:59] Speaker B: And I get that you're excited after the game and you do want to celebrate with your teammates, but, like, there's a time and a place for that. You got to be the quarterback first.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: Yes.
And then finally, I'm excited to talk about this. Notre Dame took themselves out of bowl consideration during the NCAA equivalent of a toddler's temper tantrum when they didn't make the playoffs.
Others have followed since then. We'll talk about whether or not this is the new norm. But real quick, I want to start with Spot a story.
[01:02:22] Speaker B: Well, first Notre Dame, now Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, Florida State, Auburn, ucf, Baylor, and Temple now have all abstained from Bull eligibility.
[01:02:32] Speaker A: That's fine.
I want to start with a story.
One time, we had an employee here at Tapping Media, and he was a big Notre Dame fan.
[01:02:40] Speaker B: He was not the. He was not the board guy.
[01:02:42] Speaker A: No, he was not. He was not the board guy. He was a big Notre Dame fan, though. And when Ohio State played Notre Dame in the national championship, it all over from. I made sure I let him know very nicely, I may add. I was. I was very.
Yeah, I just sent like, 500 memes to him, and he quit. Quit our. Our network the next day. That's how. That's how rattled he was. He literally ghosted as a Notre Dame fan. So I say all that to say Notre Dame and Notre Dame fans are the biggest I've ever seen in my life. Like, they're all just pieces of.
[01:03:15] Speaker B: Just little whiny babies.
[01:03:17] Speaker A: Like. Like, come on. Like, seriously, you did.
Here's the deal. They're pissed off because they were ranked higher the week before, and then Miami, who was ranked lower, jumped them in the final rankings. You know how you could have got in the playoff if you would have beat Miami when you lost to Miami and you're pissed off that they're jumping you in the rankings. How does that make any sense?
[01:03:36] Speaker B: Here's an idea. Join a conference and win it.
[01:03:39] Speaker A: Yeah. You win your conference, you're in.
[01:03:41] Speaker B: Period. I mean, could they join a ACC or whatever? Like, and would probably win it? Yeah, they probably be the best team in that division.
[01:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah, but you don't. So you don't.
Like, I just can't stand Notre Dame and their pretentious.
[01:03:54] Speaker B: And if you're going to be independent. And you're, and you're going to walk around like you were the best football program on God's.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: Then only schedule the best teams.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: Schedule ranked team, schedule good programs. Schedule only good programs and prove it. Go out there every weekend and beat the best teams and then you'll leave. No doubt you'll have to be in the conversation, but you don't.
[01:04:13] Speaker A: Only yourselves to blame here. Only yourselves to blame.
But in, in true Notre Dame fashion, they went and bitched out and they're like, we don't want to play in a bowl game because we didn't.
[01:04:21] Speaker B: Now they're pushing to make the playoff go to 14 teams. And it's just, this is a never ending discussion.
[01:04:26] Speaker A: That would also be a move from Notre Dame, like, oh, we didn't make it, so you need to make it 14 teams so we can make it next time.
[01:04:31] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:04:32] Speaker A: I mean, and then when they don't make it, they're like, you need to make a 16 so we can make it.
[01:04:35] Speaker B: And that's the problem. Right. He's just going to keep going from there because the teams that are on the bubble of 15 and 16 then are going to. That they didn't get in.
[01:04:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:04:42] Speaker B: But I do think the precedent is what's more alarming here because bowl season, truthfully, for a long time hasn't made a lot of sense. There's a lot of TV ratings and a lot of money, a lot of sponsorships. But frankly, for programs to go play for the Motor City bowl and win, you know, whatever trophy you get for that, like, especially too for the smaller programs, too, you think about your smaller schools like, like, like in Akron, you might have one Charlie Fry on your team and, and he's the guy that's going to go to the NFL on some level, and that's what makes your team good that year. Is Charlie Fry going to play in the Motor City bowl and risk injuring himself right before the NFL draft? And every team, every program has maybe one of those guys that like, has a potential NFL future, even as an undrafted free agent. Like, they could be a practice squad guy, and that's probably what makes those programs good. But are you going to risk that to play in a game that really is meaningless? No one remembers the, the Nacho Bull champion.
[01:05:39] Speaker A: Only if you're chasing a record like Cam Ward last year.
As soon as you get it, you'll take yourself out of the game, though. You'll be like, all right, I'm done, guys.
[01:05:47] Speaker B: I mean, truthfully, like the, you know, the Big Bulls. Right. Your. Your ones that have some kind of class to them, your sugar and orange and all the ones that have been around forever, those are all part of the playoffs now, and they're all part of the playoffs now. But, like, just even before that started, like, I can see getting up for those games. You have one more game left, and it's. Those games are historic and are remembered in some fashion, but really, even now, they're just part of the playoff. So. Yeah, I don't know. It's just. It's an odd thing. It's like, do we need bowl games anymore? And what's the answer to keep them around? Do you have to pay the players to attend those games? Like, I don't know. And especially in today's world, with. With nil the way it is.
[01:06:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:26] Speaker B: I just can't see a lot of players wanting to play in a meaningless game.
[01:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah, this is.
[01:06:30] Speaker B: But I know that the, The. The TV networks are going to want it because you have basically from December 15th through, you know, early January, like, all eyes are on college football.
[01:06:39] Speaker A: Yeah, this was.
[01:06:40] Speaker B: Because people will gamble on that crap.
[01:06:42] Speaker A: This was a rabbit hole. I did not want to go down, but we went down. I just wanted to say that Notre Dame fans are bitches.
[01:06:47] Speaker B: Well, I wouldn't know about the actual story and the implications, but. Well, that's because I'm a good podcaster and you're not.
[01:06:52] Speaker A: Well, I just don'. Notre Dame.
But anyways, you know what?
[01:06:56] Speaker B: It is time for Browns backers interview.
[01:06:58] Speaker A: How'd you know?
[01:06:59] Speaker B: It's next on the list.
[01:07:01] Speaker F: Oh.
[01:07:05] Speaker D: How much money do you make.
[01:07:06] Speaker B: A year before taxes?
Yeah, I'm actually not comfortable answering that. Come on, we're doing the interview now, not you.
[01:07:15] Speaker A: All right, guys, for this brownsbackers interview, please help me welcome Hay Hailing from Buffalo Wild Wings in Lancaster, Ohio, the president of the Glass City Brownsbackers, Big Mike.
Mike, thank you so much for joining us. How are you today?
[01:07:33] Speaker D: I'm doing Browns fantastic. How are you guys?
What I mean about Brown's fantastic is I'm trying to make it through the rest of the week, you know, now.
[01:07:49] Speaker B: As we all are.
[01:07:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's kind of how it goes is you hope for a win every now and then.
[01:07:55] Speaker C: You.
[01:07:55] Speaker A: You're sorely disappointed most Sundays and you just. You just keep chugging. So literally and figuratively, you drink.
[01:08:03] Speaker D: You drink beer and there's a football game on tv. You know, if they win, great.
[01:08:08] Speaker B: Life doesn't get any better.
[01:08:09] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:08:14] Speaker A: So, Mike, tell us about your chapter down there in Lancaster.
[01:08:18] Speaker D: Well, the glass eater BrownsBackers, founded in 2019 with 10 members, is now the largest chapter in Central Ohio with 335 members. We meet every Sunday at Buffalo Wild Wings on Memorial Drive in Lancaster, Ohio. They are very accommodating to us. Our number one charity is the Lancaster Youth Football. We are going to raise another $2,000 this year. And then Buffalo Wild Wings also kicks in whatever sales that we have through the watch party season, a total of 10%. So that could be worth another $1500. So that's basically what we do. We've had some golf outings. We just recently had a bus trip up to Cleveland to watch the Titans game.
Everybody had a fantastic time. I saw.
[01:09:12] Speaker A: Sorry.
[01:09:14] Speaker D: No, they, I, I've interviewed over six members that have been on the bus trip and it has been nothing but high praise for the way the bus trip was, how the Browns treated them, how the Browns kept on filling them up with the, filling the cooler up in the holding area with beer.
So. And they were allowed to go out onto the field, see the players run out onto the field and be a part of the national anth. And yeah, it was, it was a good time. So hopefully the Browns keep the price point affordable and we may do three or four bus trips next year. Look it, I'm looking away from the camera and I'm looking at myself.
[01:10:00] Speaker A: That's okay.
That's, that's, that's awesome that they're, that they kind of offer that to you guys and you're able to do that.
You know, those bus trips, we hear a lot of good things from other brownsbackers groups that do those as well and they say it's, it's a really good time regardless of the hour outcome of the game in Cleveland.
[01:10:15] Speaker B: So if, if the Browns keep losing double digit games every year, tickets for sure will be $5.
[01:10:21] Speaker F: So.
[01:10:24] Speaker D: Well, it can't go on forever.
[01:10:29] Speaker A: You say that, but it's going on forever.
No, but seriously, do, do you guys. You mentioned all the different things you're doing. You got any watch parties or anything like that coming up?
[01:10:39] Speaker D: Yes, we have a watch party coming up this Sunday at Buffalo Wild Wings when we play the Chicago Bears.
I won't be in town, but members have volunteered to host the watch parties. I am a full time truck driver. I'm usually gone for two weeks and then home for a week.
So it makes me, makes it kind of hard for me to actually host every single watch party. So we have volunteers that fill in throughout the season and Once a year in August, the Browns invite all the presidents world wide to Cleveland for a president summit. And they allow the president to bring a guest. So what I'm doing this year is everyone that stepped in to help host a watch party will receive one raffle ticket. And whoever wins the raffle will accompany me to an all expensive paid trip to beautiful downtown Cleveland, Ohio.
[01:11:41] Speaker A: Nice. I like that.
[01:11:42] Speaker B: Cleveland's nice.
[01:11:43] Speaker A: There's a lot of people entering it, aren't there?
[01:11:45] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. Well, I've. I've got about six members that are going to qualify for the, for the raffle. But hey, I'm originally from Northeast Ohio. That wonderful place called Geneva.
[01:11:58] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Nice.
[01:11:59] Speaker B: On the lake.
[01:12:00] Speaker D: Yeah. Well, not Geneva on the lake. There's two different.
[01:12:04] Speaker B: Just, there's multiples.
[01:12:05] Speaker A: Just south of that.
[01:12:06] Speaker B: Yeah, just south of that.
[01:12:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
They have to split it. So you know that this is Geneva. This is Geneva on the lake.
[01:12:15] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:12:19] Speaker B: Big Mike, I have a question, so forgive my ignorance here, but what's the story with Glass City? What's the story there?
[01:12:26] Speaker D: Well, Lancaster, Ohio is famous for a few things. Number one, the home of General Sherman, the one that burned Atlanta to the ground. And even to this day, if you're in Georgia, do not tell him you're from Lancaster, Ohio.
Also, it's home to the American flag. A high school student here after we acquired Hawaii and Alaska submitted his contest to the Congress, it passed. So whenever you look at an American flag, it was designed by a high school kid here in beautiful Lancaster, Ohio. But originally you asked about the Glass City.
Currently Anchor Hocking is the only glass manufacturer still in Lancaster. There used to be Lancaster Glass, which at one point when New York City wanted to illuminate the statue or the flame on the Statue of Liberty, they came to Lancaster Glass and they actually molded the glass glass flame. So I think you can still see that glass flame in a, in a museum somewhere. But when Reagan redid it, I think he made it brass again. So. Or copper or whatever it is.
So Glass City, we're known for glass manufacturing. Now there's another chapter up in northwest Ohio in Toledo called the Glass City Dog Pound, I believe, and they claim to be the Glass City in Ohio.
Fortunately, we both share the same nickname. When I started the chapter, I wanted to get a nickname that everyone here was used to using. So Glass City. I did not know at the time that Toledo was also known as Glass City. So there's a bit of a rivalry there.
[01:14:16] Speaker A: But unfortunately I think that there's like games in the Works here. Like, we could pitch you guys against each other and either drinking games, bar games, whatever the case may be, like do like a Bar Olympics, you know.
[01:14:28] Speaker B: I thought Toledo was meth city.
[01:14:30] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:14:30] Speaker A: Come on, man.
[01:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a different type of laugh, right?
[01:14:36] Speaker A: We are. Sorry. Toledo.
[01:14:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:14:39] Speaker A: We have people that listen in Toledo. What are you doing?
[01:14:42] Speaker D: Yeah. Glass Pipe City Browns.
[01:14:48] Speaker A: Good lord.
[01:14:50] Speaker B: Welcome to the show, Big Mike.
[01:14:55] Speaker A: That makes sense, I guess, I guess. On that note, I. I was just trying to get you guys to do battle in like the Bar Olympics and instead we're just going to talk to each other.
No, but let's go ahead. Big Mike, I want to ask you a couple football questions here. Nothing, nothing crazy, but the first thing thought Senor Sanders and, and how do you see this thing playing out as far as him playing the rest of the season and potentially getting a chance to be the starter next year?
[01:15:22] Speaker D: Well, if in a perfect world we get someone that helps develop Shador in his conquest to become hopefully our quarterback, in reality, we know that's not going to happen.
He's probably going to be like every other quarterback since 99. He'll be a 500 quarterback. Quarterback either.
[01:15:47] Speaker F: It'll be.
[01:15:48] Speaker D: Here's the storyline with Cleveland. They get a quarterback, everybody excited. He doesn't gel with the coach. So they get rid of the coach, they bring in another coach, and everybody gets excited for the new season and they go, oh, wait a minute, the front line sucks. So now we get a new front line. And then, you know, Shador doesn't, you know, expand to be the quarterback. We thought so. Then we get another quarterback. But then our defense sucks. So then we have to get. I mean, it's a never ending story. We can never hit all eight cylinders at one time. Oh, wait a minute. We did. Let's see, his name was Baker Mayfield, right? Nick Chubb.
[01:16:27] Speaker B: Don't say it too loud. Big Mike.
[01:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah, we got a bobblehead up here. We love Baker Mayfield.
[01:16:32] Speaker D: Hey, Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield. You know, but we chased him away, you know, because a lot of people there said, well, he's only a 500 quarterback. Well, let me see. How many coaches did he have, right?
How many coaches have been in Pittsburgh?
I was born in 64. There's only three coaches. I'm sorry, three coaches. I was drinking a little bit.
[01:16:59] Speaker E: That.
[01:17:00] Speaker D: I've ever known of, you know. And hey, everybody from Pittsburgh, you had those super bowl rings. Guess what? They were brought to you by Chuck Noel. Who is he? Oh, a former Cleveland Brown player. And the other One who was the other? The other coach got his name.
[01:17:15] Speaker B: Just Bill Cower.
[01:17:16] Speaker D: Yeah, Bill Cower. Hey, guess what? Player coach, Cleveland Browns. If anybody from Pittsburgh came to Cleveland and taught us how to win a Super bowl, that's it. I would bury my head in the sand, and I would be embarrassed for the rest of my life. So, hey, Steelers, kiss my ass. We had to show you how to win the freaking Super Bowl. Right?
[01:17:36] Speaker E: All right.
[01:17:36] Speaker A: I like that. Yeah.
[01:17:38] Speaker D: You know, and what. In Tomlin, he just had leftovers from Bill Cower. Right.
[01:17:45] Speaker B: So that's fair.
[01:17:46] Speaker D: I mean, what have they done so far? You know, nothing. Nothing. Absolutely.
You know, but. But Cleveland is.
You know, when Baker came into town, it brought back for me memories of the 80s, you know, especially the billboards. Remember, they put up the billboards. The Browns is the Browns. I had friends of mine because I'm in a trucking industry. I have friends of mine down Cincinnati. Hey, they got a billboard down here, and it's like, me. It's like, well, they got one here in Columbus. They had one in Cleveland. They had them all over the place. You know, that's how it used to be, you know, that the Browns family was statewide, you know, of course, now it's international, but, you know, that's what he brought to us. I mean, the guy opens up a beer with his teeth with a Kenny Lofton jersey on, and Lofton hits, what, three home runs that game, Right. How else can you motivate the people and the fans and the players other than being somebody like that, you know, chip on his shoulder. Yeah, bring somebody with a chip on his shoulder. I don't want somebody coming in wearing a diaper, you know, or he's not adult enough. So what do we do? We bring in a sexual predator. Right? Is he adult enough? Yeah, I mean, it's just, man, you know, the Haslams, they're renting the team. The team is ours. It's the fans. It's not Has.
It's not the billionaires.
It's our team, and they're screwing it up. And, hey, guess what? The new stadium comes along.
[01:19:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:19:19] Speaker D: He's going to own the parking lot, the hotels, the bars, everything.
You know, it's all a show now. And you think he's really going to put a lot of effort into the Browns when he's selling tickets for concerts, WWE mud, you know, motorcycles and crosses and shit like that. Every. Every weekend, they're going to have something going on stadium. And when the Browns come in, it's like they're going to start complaining that they're not making enough money because they can make more money on a Shania Twain concert or something. You know.
[01:19:52] Speaker B: We touched a nerve with Big Mike.
[01:19:54] Speaker D: You know, it's like, oh, we want a dome stadium. We can't watch the Browns when it's snowing. Screw you. What kind of fucking fan are you, right? You little piece of shit.
God bless it.
[01:20:08] Speaker A: You know, my only, my only rebuttal to you would be, I've been to the games when it's cold and nobody shows up.
[01:20:15] Speaker D: Yeah, well, where the blue collar fans, you know, when I was living in Brecksville, they went from $20 to $30 a ticket. And people were complaining. A family of five, they couldn't afford to go into game anymore because anymore because of $150.
Hell, now you can't even get a beer for $150.
You know, I mean, it's fucking ridiculous.
You know, I mean, it hasn't fought the team for 900 million, $982 million, you know, now they're worth like 5 billion.
[01:20:47] Speaker C: For what?
[01:20:48] Speaker D: We didn't win anything. We never went anywhere. How the hell are we getting value?
You know, it's like buying a Pinto for $500 and 20 years later it's worth a hundred thousand.
You know, it's a piece of shit.
You know, my son played double A football and he went through a couple of championships, and he was actually on the bus ride when he went up there this week.
[01:21:13] Speaker C: He.
[01:21:13] Speaker D: He said the field is a piece of shit. He said the field is embarrassing. He can't even believe that they're playing on that field. He says the people working there, it seems like they've given up.
You know, I know other backer chapter presidents that have contacts up there, and it's like people are leaving, they're quitting, you know.
But back to Shadura. Yeah, I think he should do pretty good next time year.
[01:21:47] Speaker A: This has been a roller coaster ride and I love it.
[01:21:51] Speaker B: Well, you know, best friend.
[01:21:56] Speaker A: All right, well, I'm gonna move on. I'm gonna move on to our next question. Big Mike, I. I know we talked about trying to keep this short, but I had to let you go on your rant there because it was good.
So last two questions here, I'll ask them together. You can give me concise ish answer, but who wins this Sunday and what's your score prediction.
[01:22:22] Speaker D: If she do or gets to do what he wants? Like what Baker did down in Cincinnati after Odell twisted his ankle and Baker Told Stefanski to shove it up his ass. I'm calling the rest of the plays. And he went from 21 out of 20, 22 if Shador says something like that. But Shador has too much respect for Stefanski and the process, and I think his dad is really pulling them back on the reins on that because in his interviews, it's like everybody's expecting him to, you know, be.
You know, to speak his mind, but he really hasn't been.
I think it's going to be a close game and I think the Browns are going to win, Let's say 21 to 17.
[01:23:11] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:23:12] Speaker B: You know.
[01:23:13] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, that's. That's a reasonable. Now what's really going to happen? I don't know. Hey, is Miles Garrett actually going to get some sacks instead of performing for the Detroit Lions last year? Like he was going to go for a contract with them, you know, I mean, Detroit was going to give up four first round picks for him, but that's.
Nobody knows about that. I know about that. I know when Andrew Barry took the phone call from the Detroit Lions, you know, and then. And Miles Garrett's out there playing against the Ravens and he gets like six sacks. Yay. Where the hell have you been all year? You know, so come on, give it 100% every single down, every single. You know, this is a game of inches.
[01:23:58] Speaker B: Let's.
[01:23:59] Speaker D: Let's start paring up some inches, you know, let's start earning your money.
You know, it wants to give him $100,000 for every sack be out there second away, you know, I mean, come on, man.
[01:24:12] Speaker B: The recall on Big Mike to just go back into the vault and remember some of. I mean, you're bringing back bad memories.
[01:24:19] Speaker F: But.
[01:24:22] Speaker A: It did happen.
[01:24:23] Speaker D: Okay, now let's get on with the rest of the interview that we can broadcast.
Hey, everything's going great. I absolutely love the Browns. I love what Stefansky is going. Shador is our answer. You. I mean, this is just incredible. It really is. I can't wait for the new stadium. Oh, that's going to the affordable pricing.
[01:24:48] Speaker A: Mike.
[01:24:48] Speaker B: I'm lightheaded.
[01:24:49] Speaker A: Mike, Listen, I wish we could keep doing this interview all night because the insight that you've brought, the recall that you have and just the nerve that was. Yeah, the energy is fantastic. But unfortunately, unfortunately, we. We've already run long and we do have a two hour plus now show to record when we add this interview in. So, Mike, it's been great having you on.
We will be sure to have you back in the future.
If we're ever down in Lancaster on a Sunday night, Sunday during the game, we definitely will stop in and see you guys.
[01:25:25] Speaker D: Hey, you guys should come on down, set it up. I can talk to the managers. You can do a live broadcast from there. You know, I'll bring in the.
[01:25:31] Speaker A: We will definitely, you know. Yeah, we'll keep that in mind. We've got some things in the work works for the future, so we'll keep you in mind there.
[01:25:38] Speaker B: Okay, great.
[01:25:39] Speaker D: But the. The one thing I do want. I do want to focus on is as a backup president.
It's my job to enhance the experience of all my members. And I've even taken that a little bit further and have tried to enhance the experience of other teams. Like, I've had the Cincinnati Bengals send me sign footballs and hats and stuff, and I'll raffle those off for the Bengal fans that happen to be in the bar. So I try to make it as inclusive as possible because, man, when you talk, some of these alumni, they.
I've got two guys. Cleveland Brown, Pittsburgh Steeler. Best of friends. Been that way since college, you know.
[01:26:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:26:24] Speaker D: So. Yeah. I hate the Steelers, you know, I wish a small meteorite would hit that town. I mean, driving through it. I mean, it's.
I mean, how many more bridges can they put in Pittsburgh, you know?
[01:26:35] Speaker B: But there's room for a few more.
[01:26:37] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:26:40] Speaker E: But.
[01:26:41] Speaker D: Oh, hey, when I was act in Akron one time, I actually drove through that blimp hangar.
[01:26:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Nice. You just drove through the one that they moved. They moved over. You actually, like, drove through it? Like you crashed into it or.
[01:26:55] Speaker D: No, no, I had a delivery inside of it.
[01:27:02] Speaker A: We just drove through the one that it got moved to Mogador. To Suffield. Suffield. I fixed it.
[01:27:08] Speaker B: Hold on. It didn't get moved there. Suffield, Ohio, has always been the global headquarters of Goodyear's airship operations.
The hangar in Akron was used a lot in World War II to build aircrafts. And sometimes zeppelins are stored there.
[01:27:23] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:27:23] Speaker B: Southfield, Ohio, has always been the global headquarters for Goodyear's airship operations operations.
[01:27:28] Speaker A: I misspoke. It's in Suffield. We just went to Suffield the other day and drove through for the Christmas lights. So.
[01:27:33] Speaker B: Yeah, they do a big charity drive.
[01:27:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty dope. A toy drive.
[01:27:37] Speaker B: So.
[01:27:37] Speaker A: Sorry.
[01:27:38] Speaker B: Big Mike.
[01:27:39] Speaker A: Big Mike, I gotta cut you off. I love the interview. We'll definitely have you back on and we'll talk soon, okay?
[01:27:46] Speaker D: Okay, guys, take it easy. It's Big Mike over And out.
Hi, this is Big Mike from the Glass City Brownsbackers. You're listening to. To the Burning River Sportscast. Go brown.
[01:28:02] Speaker A: Holy. Good time talking to Big Mike from the Glass City Brownsbaggers.
[01:28:06] Speaker C: Huh?
[01:28:07] Speaker B: Big Mike just struck a match and lit this whole on fire.
[01:28:11] Speaker D: All right. Is it Big Mike? You're listening to the.
Who the hell am I listening to? A burning river.
[01:28:22] Speaker A: What just happened?
[01:28:23] Speaker B: We've never had a conversation like that on this show.
And it was a roller coaster and a joy.
[01:28:29] Speaker A: I think the first time he started going off the rails, I, if you, if you run the, the, the footage back, we're all just kind of sitting there with our mouths open. We're like, what is happening? Right? Like, how did we get here? But I'm glad we did.
[01:28:40] Speaker B: The funny thing is, is that he really evolved throughout the conversation because really when we first asked him, you know, tell us about your chapter. It almost felt like he was reading off a prop.
[01:28:49] Speaker A: He was, he. He had written that down. He was literally reading a book.
[01:28:54] Speaker B: And we were kind of like, what are we getting into here? And then just like 0 to 100. It was, it was a whole, like, it was a production. That was not an interview. That was entertainment.
[01:29:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that was good stuff.
[01:29:05] Speaker B: Big Mike has to come back.
[01:29:07] Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna bring him back on the show at some point.
That was, that was fantastic.
I, I don't even know what else.
[01:29:13] Speaker F: To say about that.
[01:29:14] Speaker B: There's nothing else you can say.
[01:29:16] Speaker A: What's that?
Incoming message from the Brownstronaut.
[01:29:25] Speaker D: T minus 10. 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
[01:29:34] Speaker B: 0.
[01:29:36] Speaker E: Ignition.
[01:29:38] Speaker C: Lift off.
[01:29:40] Speaker B: Lift off.
Bernie River Sportscast. This is Braun Schnaut calling.
[01:29:47] Speaker A: Do you guys copy?
[01:29:49] Speaker B: Roger that, dog pound.
[01:29:51] Speaker A: Mission Sunday is a go.
[01:29:53] Speaker B: Sanders is locked in for the rest of the season. And Miles Garrett, he's three sacks away.
[01:29:57] Speaker E: From all time record.
[01:29:58] Speaker B: Three. That's not a gap, that's a countdown.
When he hits zero, history launches.
[01:30:04] Speaker A: Suit up, Cleveland.
[01:30:05] Speaker F: Visor's down, volume's up.
[01:30:07] Speaker B: This is the new era.
[01:30:09] Speaker A: Let's launch.
Ground control to mission control or whatever.
[01:30:21] Speaker B: Bone said last week he was really getting into it.
[01:30:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I just listened to it again, you know, for research purposes.
[01:30:28] Speaker B: And you were, you were.
[01:30:29] Speaker A: I think it was mission control to ground control.
[01:30:30] Speaker B: You were, you were researching our own show.
[01:30:33] Speaker A: I had to see what some of your guys takes were last week. So, you know.
[01:30:36] Speaker B: Yeah, fair. I do that all the time.
[01:30:38] Speaker E: Yeah, my short term memory is really bad. I don't.
[01:30:41] Speaker A: It's true. We ask you things of like you remember some saying this last week?
[01:30:45] Speaker E: No.
[01:30:45] Speaker B: We ask him things that happened tonight.
[01:30:47] Speaker A: No, don't. I don't recall.
[01:30:50] Speaker E: Sure, that was me.
[01:30:51] Speaker A: Yeah, but with that, let's go.
[01:30:53] Speaker B: That's what makes him the best fact checker in the business.
[01:30:55] Speaker A: That's why we hired him.
He's making lots of money.
Let's get into the Week 15 preview.
[01:31:01] Speaker B: It's paid in kisses and thank yous.
[01:31:15] Speaker A: All right, guys, this week we got Dubairs.
[01:31:17] Speaker E: Duh.
[01:31:17] Speaker A: Bears, Kenny, you know what it's time for?
[01:31:20] Speaker B: Is it time for Kenny's Cliff Notes?
Oh, that's my turn. Yeah.
[01:31:27] Speaker C: What do you.
[01:31:27] Speaker A: What do you got for us? I would like to hear what the Kenny Cliff Notes are. Kenny's. Kenny's Cliff Notes. Kenny's. The Kenny's Cliffs. Kenny's Cliff's Notes.
[01:31:35] Speaker B: Ben Johnson comes over from Detroit after leading One of the NFL's most prolific offenses a year ago.
Do you believe in miracles?
Ben Johnson has the bears stop as. Yes, those bears 9 and 4 with the help of boy wonder Declan Doyle. That's a joke because he looks like he's 13. You probably wouldn't get it unless you saw a picture then. Dennis Allen, after leading the Saints into oblivion for the last couple years has found new Life in his 30th year coaching in the NFL. Is the head of this interesting defensive unit. Former Brown Case Keenum is on the roster but he won't play because he's third string. Instead Caleb Williams, manicure and all, is having a solid sophomore campaign throwing for almost 3,000 yards, 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions. Dub Ass boasts one of the best one two punches in the NFL at running back with DeAndre Swift and rookie seventh rounder Kyle Manangai. This dude's like five, nine and like two ten. Just being like a bowling ball and he will wreck you. Both are averaging 4.8 yards per carry on the season. That's not like one of those guys has 150 yards. Like I think Manangai has over 600, 650 or so and DeAndre Swift has 8, 850 or so.
It's. It's a competent running back room.
[01:32:48] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:32:49] Speaker B: This receiving core is solid with rome Dunes a D.J. moore and Luther Burden. The dad Colston Loveland and Cole Comet make up a form bowl. Formidable tandem. Formable. I can't talk formidable tandem at tight end.
[01:33:01] Speaker A: Form them however you want.
[01:33:04] Speaker B: We'll touch them.
The Bears bring in one of the best offensive lines in football after investing in Joe Thuney and Drew Dahlman in the off season, they've protected Caleb Williams better and bolstered the running game. It's a disciplined group that thrives on instincts and finishing and will be a tough test for this Browns defensive front. Weathering the loss of Malik Collins. This defense has been hot and cold, leading the league in turnovers but ranking near the bottom in points and yards. The math hasn't been mathing, but they keep winning. Montez sweat is dangerous across the front with eight and a half sacks this season. Linebacking group is a combination of young and banged up with Tremaine Edmonds heading to the IR a couple weeks ago. It's a bad combo and could be one of the few opportunities for the Browns this week. The secondary has been dangerous with Kevin Byard, the dad, leading the league in interceptions.
Kicker has been a bit of a revolving door for the Bears, but Cairo Santos, the veteran, is the man for now. And punter Tori Taylor looks like every kid in Stranger Things had a baby together. Just all the guys.
Can Shador be legendary or will he be legendless? I don't know. Go Browns.
[01:34:13] Speaker A: I don't even know what to say. Let's have to.
I just love that we always finish with kicker and punter because we. We always talk about.
[01:34:18] Speaker B: You got to talk about the specialists there. The whole phase of the game.
[01:34:21] Speaker A: Game, yeah.
And with every edition of Kenny's Cliff Notes comes another edition of Ronnie Jams. Matchups that matter.
All right, so my matchups that matter. I've got two of them like I always do, and the one's the same every week because until he breaks the record, it's. It's going to be the same. Miles Garrett versus whoever is trying to stop him from.
[01:34:51] Speaker B: The Bears stopped him last week.
[01:34:52] Speaker A: They did.
[01:34:53] Speaker B: He got one, you got one.
[01:34:54] Speaker A: Still on pace for a team that.
[01:34:56] Speaker B: Gives up four and a half a game, one's not very good.
[01:34:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet John Tingy would be happy you're calling him out right now.
[01:35:03] Speaker B: I'm not calling him out. Look, Miles called himself out. He said they didn't defend the run and they don't earn the run.
I can't talk. They didn't earn the right to run, rush the passer. I still can't just fucking finish.
[01:35:15] Speaker A: I'm going to finish, all right?
And my second matchup that matters is Shador Sanders versus the Bears secondary. You mentioned they have the league leader in interceptions. Their defense does force a lot of turnovers. So a little bit of a test. Even though they're not that overall, they're not that great against the pass, which I'll get to in a minute, but a little bit of a test for Shador Sanders taking care of the ball. So we'll see how that goes. I'm hoping for another big game. It's going to be really, really frigid there in Chicago, so we'll, we'll see what happens.
[01:35:45] Speaker B: So cold.
[01:35:48] Speaker A: In summary, the Bears are coming off a loss to the packers. They have a 9 and 4 record as Kenny Thunder mentioned. Overall they are have the 27th ranked defensive unit, 21 against the pass, 27 against the run. On offense, they ranked number five in the NFL.
They have the number two running game in the NFL. You talked about their competent running backs and the number 14 passing game. And then on the flip side, you got the Cleveland Browns coming off a loss to the Titans. Yeah, we that bad.
Record is three and ten defensively overall, somehow they're still number two, number 13 against the run, number one against the pass. Still offensively still not good. Number 30, number 27 again, number 27 rushing attack and the number 29, passing attack. And here's Duke. The Browns are awful. Kevin Stefanski still the coach. Bubba Venturon is still our special teams coordinator. And as Shador showed last week, when those guys are your coaches, you can throw for 350 plus yards and three touchdowns and run for another touchdown and still lose the game. So yeah, I don't really have a lot of faith in this, but there's always a way to win. And to tell us what that way to win or that key to victory is, let's go ahead and bring in the big bone man because it's time for bone man skeleton key to victory.
What do you got?
[01:37:09] Speaker E: Oh, all right. We're going back to the basics.
[01:37:15] Speaker B: This is my favorite part of the show.
[01:37:16] Speaker A: Every week now he always goes back to the basics.
[01:37:18] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, the basics. We're talking about the trenches. So specifically, let's talk about the D line. We talked about earlier how Malik Collins went down and we couldn't stop the run last week.
So as a unit, our D line needs to step their up.
So as Ronnie says, I believe you said they had the number two rushing attack in the league, the Bears. It's gonna be a very cold, very, very cold weather game.
[01:37:44] Speaker A: We're gonna stop the Titans last week.
[01:37:46] Speaker E: That's. Yes, exactly. So very, very cold weather game. So I think they are going to be forcing the rush and how's our defense going to respond? So a lot of stop the run. Our D line needs to Stop the run. Somebody needs to fill in that spot where Malik Collins left off. I don't know who that's going to be, but somebody's got to step up QB pressure. Let's get some pressures, and let's get Miles at least two sacks plus in this game.
[01:38:13] Speaker A: So I think the bottom line, though, is control the trenches.
[01:38:15] Speaker E: Yes.
[01:38:16] Speaker B: Control the line of scrimmage.
[01:38:17] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:38:19] Speaker A: I. I want to point out that Bone continued his streak of Nostradamus of calling something that would happen.
But we still lose.
[01:38:28] Speaker E: We lose. Yeah.
[01:38:29] Speaker A: Every time last week he said they got to let Shador play. He threw for 364 yards, three touchdowns. Let him loose and a rushing touchdown.
[01:38:36] Speaker E: Open it up.
[01:38:37] Speaker B: Maybe we should change it from Bone man skeleton key to victory to just Bone Man's wildest predictions.
[01:38:41] Speaker E: I think I said like five, six. Like downfield passes. Just. Just like. Sure it was plus yards.
[01:38:46] Speaker A: You said five, six. You sure it wasn't six, seven?
Gosh.
But yeah.
[01:38:53] Speaker B: Every week we get younger and more immature.
[01:38:56] Speaker E: D line will dominate this game. You can. You can count on it.
[01:39:00] Speaker B: Oh, guarantee.
[01:39:02] Speaker A: Guarantee. Kenny, what's the betting info for this one?
[01:39:07] Speaker B: It is dumbass. Minus seven and a half.
[01:39:11] Speaker A: That's a big one.
[01:39:12] Speaker B: 40 and a half.
[01:39:14] Speaker A: 40 and a half. That's a lot. They think should work and score some points.
[01:39:17] Speaker B: They. They do. They do think that. Yes.
[01:39:21] Speaker A: Players to watch. We'll start with me because it's been the same week every week. Same week, same guy every week until he breaks the record. Miles Garrett, I think he gets at least one more.
I predicted that he would break the sack record last week, and that didn't happen. So I won't say that this week.
[01:39:36] Speaker F: But.
[01:39:36] Speaker A: But I think he gets at least one. I'm hoping for two, like the Bone man just said, but we'll see.
[01:39:41] Speaker B: Two.
[01:39:42] Speaker A: Two. Kenny, who's your player to watch?
[01:39:45] Speaker B: This might be a little unconventional, Shadow Sanders, but I'm gonna go with the IR.
The Browns currently have 26 players either on IR listed as out or questionable.
I don't know if you know this or not, but there's not that many players on an NFL roster, so 26 is a really big number.
[01:40:06] Speaker A: Do you think this offseason we're getting.
[01:40:07] Speaker B: Really close to not being able to field a team?
[01:40:10] Speaker A: Do you think. Do you think this offseason is finally the time where we get new strength and conditioning?
[01:40:13] Speaker B: Coaches, they got to do something because that is a lot.
[01:40:17] Speaker A: We've let you injuries for, like, four years straight.
[01:40:20] Speaker B: When you pull up the depth chart, it's just half red. Yeah, everyone has an injury designation.
[01:40:26] Speaker A: That's not good.
[01:40:27] Speaker B: It's bad bone.
[01:40:28] Speaker A: Who's your player to watch?
[01:40:30] Speaker E: I guess I'll stick with the D line since that was my, my, my, my.
[01:40:33] Speaker A: The whole D line.
[01:40:34] Speaker E: No, no, no.
[01:40:35] Speaker B: There's a whole.
[01:40:36] Speaker E: Let's.
[01:40:36] Speaker B: I'm going to go with my.
[01:40:37] Speaker E: Mason Graham, our rookie D tackle.
Basically, you're like our nose guard. Right. Is that kind of what he's considered? He's not technically nose guard, but he's always over the center. Right. Right in the inside, though.
[01:40:48] Speaker B: I think. I think he's called a badass.
[01:40:50] Speaker E: Yeah, he is.
[01:40:52] Speaker A: He's got a big ass.
[01:40:53] Speaker B: He's a ba.
[01:40:55] Speaker E: He's always getting. He's always getting a double team along with Miles. So let's get him through. Maybe. Maybe he'll get himself a sack.
[01:41:02] Speaker B: Him and Miles are always double teaming the sack.
[01:41:04] Speaker A: Yep. Oh, man.
With that, let's go ahead and get into. Can we talk about.
All right, so this is. Can we talk about this? We use a segment when one one of us has something that they feel needs to be talked about or explored further. Explore Shador.
[01:41:23] Speaker B: Hashtag Explore Explorer Shador.
[01:41:26] Speaker A: This week, Kenny, I think you had something. What do you have for us?
[01:41:29] Speaker B: I don't know if this is common knowledge or not. Maybe this was only news to me.
[01:41:35] Speaker A: That's happened a few times.
[01:41:36] Speaker B: Um, but I, you know, as I often do, end up down a rabbit hole on Internet troll boards where nothing good happens?
[01:41:46] Speaker A: No.
[01:41:47] Speaker B: And I ran into an interesting thread around human sociology and the evolution of. Of human and children that play specifically. And I have a toddler. You have toddlers Bones. Raised to toddlers.
[01:42:02] Speaker A: We were all toddlers.
[01:42:03] Speaker B: We were all toddlers. I have some experience as a toddler toddler myself.
[01:42:06] Speaker F: Yeah.
[01:42:07] Speaker B: Did you ever think about the games that you play with your toddlers and just the fact that those games thinking like hide and seek, the floor is lava. Those types of things.
[01:42:22] Speaker A: The floor is lava.
[01:42:24] Speaker B: You ever think about why we play those games?
No, they're just like kids games. But like when you think about it, every kid basically from our kids forever.
[01:42:34] Speaker F: For the.
[01:42:35] Speaker B: Those games have been around since the beginning of time.
We play those.
[01:42:39] Speaker A: Don't want to step in lava.
[01:42:42] Speaker B: I mean, to an extent, but there's literal like a like anthropological, sociological based reasons for why we've developed and evolved this way.
Essentially that's how human beings survived.
[01:43:00] Speaker A: Right.
[01:43:00] Speaker B: Hide and seek. Hide and seek is a real life game. When you grow up like in the jungle and you have To.
[01:43:05] Speaker A: You're basically teaching hunting. Yeah.
[01:43:07] Speaker B: You have to hunt predators and keep predators from hunting you.
[01:43:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:43:11] Speaker B: So it was natural for humans to.
[01:43:12] Speaker A: Double training one game.
[01:43:14] Speaker B: Like, this is not just a fun game. They think it's a fun game. But we're teaching life skills that used to really matter in a different way than they do today. But we just think of them as like, yeah, peek a bit. Like funny games. Yeah. And like, my kid's terrible at hiding. He would get eaten by a lion tomorrow. But like, as he gets older, my.
[01:43:34] Speaker A: Daughter'S terrible at hiding too.
[01:43:35] Speaker B: He'll get better at hiding.
[01:43:36] Speaker A: She's like, hides under the blanket and you walk around and she's like.
[01:43:39] Speaker B: But like, we ingrain that in them. And in today's world, I guess the predator are more like, you know, bad things that could happen, like if there was an intruder in your house or something. But, like, you could tell a kid to hide and they would understand that. Very similar to if you had to hide from a mountain lion.
The floor is lava.
[01:43:57] Speaker A: To teach kids how to not step in lava.
[01:44:00] Speaker B: Well, not stepping lava, but just to how to navigate dangerous terrain. And in my. The one I found most interesting was. Do you know why we tickle kids?
[01:44:10] Speaker A: Puts into motion their fight orf flight.
[01:44:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So, like, think about your ticklish spots, right? Your neck, your abdomen, around your sensitive vital organs. But you teach the reflex to swat those things. Things away. I don't. I don't like it. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna fight you off to do it. But like it. I just never thought of it this way. But like, those things have been going on since the beginning of time. That we've always taught those to kids. But there's a real reason why. Because at one point, it really mattered. I mean, now we're all coddled and live in houses in society. But I just thought that was very interesting. And I never had went there in my own mind, and I wondered if you guys had ever thought about those things.
[01:44:49] Speaker A: No, not until this very second. But just. We'll get back to us a second, though. The fight orf flight thing that I was talking about, you know, that's why. Why babies, like when you tickle them, they, like, hold their breath is because they're like, I don't know what to do.
[01:45:03] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, that's how they protect their vital organs.
[01:45:06] Speaker A: And then they don't move.
[01:45:07] Speaker D: Laugh.
[01:45:08] Speaker A: But it's like involuntary because they're like.
[01:45:09] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:45:10] Speaker A: Like, my body doesn't know how to handle this.
But anyways, no, I've never thought about this. But it makes. Now that you're laying it all out like that, it makes a ton of sense. Like. Yeah, I mean that's kind of how. How human history has evolved in general. Not just probably with this but with a lot of things. Like we don't even know that we're instilling things into like as we go along like this. Why do we do anything that we do?
There was probably a reason for it at some point in human history, but there's probably not now.
[01:45:40] Speaker E: I've recently played some rounds of hide and seek.
[01:45:43] Speaker B: Bone has experience in this matter.
[01:45:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:45:45] Speaker E: With a 7 and 11 year old.
[01:45:47] Speaker A: And oh, they're much better than toddlers.
[01:45:48] Speaker E: We're watching. Yeah, we're watching toddlers with them, you know, so we're all playing hide and seek. There's you know, five or six kids and I always win.
But the seven and the 11 year old have.
[01:45:59] Speaker A: You've got much more experience.
[01:46:00] Speaker E: Have been the last ones to be found, you know, more so more often.
[01:46:04] Speaker B: Than not they're getting better at survival.
[01:46:06] Speaker E: And in one particular time, the seven year old, I couldn't find her. And it was in a spot where I didn't look in a dark corner, never moved, never made a sound. You know, she would survive, do better.
[01:46:15] Speaker B: She's evolved.
[01:46:16] Speaker E: And it was like it's an evolved being. Eventually I went back around and looked in that spot and I was like, she has to be here because there's no way she's anywhere else in the house. And then she was tucked in this little.
[01:46:26] Speaker A: See, I think she probably doesn't understand pro fully process of elimination yet. So she was like, she didn't think.
[01:46:31] Speaker E: To eventually I was like, it has to be in.
[01:46:33] Speaker A: That's the next step is, is she's going to realize like, oh, he's at the furthest point in the house looking. I got a run.
[01:46:39] Speaker B: Run now.
[01:46:39] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:46:39] Speaker E: Yeah, I'm gonna move my location.
[01:46:41] Speaker B: I think the issue is Bone didn't play enough hide and seek as a child and he's a bad seeker.
[01:46:46] Speaker A: Is that what it is?
[01:46:47] Speaker B: He didn't evolve the seek and hunt mechanism that some other kids do.
[01:46:52] Speaker E: That's probably true.
[01:46:53] Speaker B: He would have starved to death out in the wild.
[01:46:55] Speaker A: Well, knowing Bone, if he would have found any of his brothers, they would have just whooped his ass.
[01:47:00] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:47:01] Speaker A: They would be like, don't fight.
[01:47:02] Speaker B: I told you not to find me.
[01:47:05] Speaker A: So he's developed a little bit differently than most of us. But yeah, it is. It is crazy to think about. I mean.
[01:47:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I just didn't ever consider this anymore. I read the more enthralled I was.
[01:47:14] Speaker A: Anytime you get into like human evolution things in general and how we have like a lot of things that have gone by the wayside that we don't need anymore but still show up in daily life. I don't really have an example off top my head of this, but I know that there's a lot of them out there.
It's just interesting because like, like why do we do that?
[01:47:31] Speaker B: I just. The, the tickling in particular really got me because I was like, that does make a lot of sense. Like the. Your ticklish spots are your most sense. Like you get hit in the neck with a big stick, you'll probably die.
[01:47:40] Speaker A: I guess that's why, I guess that's why nowadays like you read like parenting things or whatever and they're always like don't tickle like real little kids. It's because we don't need that anymore. And they're like, you're just putting in fight or flight and like they don't need to be in that. And it's like, well, you just, you.
[01:47:55] Speaker B: Still need that to life skill. Right? If someone attacks you, I tickle the.
[01:47:59] Speaker A: Out of your torso.
I tickle my kids all the time.
[01:48:02] Speaker B: So you think about where your ephemeral artery is. Like it's always the ticklish part of my leg.
[01:48:05] Speaker E: They always ask for it and they're like stop, stop.
[01:48:07] Speaker B: Like you asked for it.
[01:48:09] Speaker A: My, my daughter, I'll go to tickle her. And as soon like as soon as she. It gets to a point where she doesn't want it anymore, she gets the angriest face. She's like, I said don't do that again.
And I'm like, okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I took you.
But yeah, so no, anyway, I just.
[01:48:24] Speaker B: Thought that was worth. Can we talk about him? We're get.
[01:48:27] Speaker A: We're getting our listeners brains going with this one.
[01:48:30] Speaker B: That's what we do for you. Brain food. In the same takes over and over and over again.
[01:48:36] Speaker A: It's. Well, we do that but it's time. Six, seven, six, seven.
[01:48:41] Speaker C: Hey.
[01:48:41] Speaker A: It's time for King of the North.
All right. So in case anyone doesn't know by now, Kenny, this is the year long AFC north pick em competition. At the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished. In the preseason two years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans of the Muni Lot. Before a game in the preseason last year, Kenny had his hair and beard shaved clean, clean off.
A few weeks ago. For losing this past season, Kenny don the pads for the first time in almost 20 years and got hit three times by our guy, big John Hughes, who is with us here today. John, how are you?
[01:49:26] Speaker F: Pretty good. How we doing, guys?
[01:49:27] Speaker A: Good. Good. Kenny, after being reminded about being hit three times, probably isn't feeling too good.
[01:49:31] Speaker B: But John made me feel like the. I am.
[01:49:38] Speaker F: How does it feel, man, to. To be reminded of all these punishments? Like, every time we get into King of the north, every single time, you have to relive it. Like, man, shaved head.
[01:49:48] Speaker B: I mean, red out running GMs is a real dick. So.
[01:49:54] Speaker A: I've never in my life been accused of being the nicest individual.
[01:49:57] Speaker F: So true.
[01:49:58] Speaker E: Can I add one more thing? I. I want to see some more footage of this hit.
I think there needs to be more out there.
[01:50:04] Speaker B: It'll be. It'll be out around Christmas time.
[01:50:05] Speaker E: Okay.
[01:50:06] Speaker C: All right.
[01:50:06] Speaker B: It's a Christmas present from the Burning river sports case. Oh, perfect.
[01:50:09] Speaker E: Okay. I look forward to that.
[01:50:10] Speaker A: Good to know. Pretty much all we got right now is the Jackass video we're put out there, which is also solidly.
[01:50:15] Speaker E: Oh, yeah, great. Great video.
[01:50:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:50:16] Speaker E: Great video.
[01:50:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I'll say this. I've been on this weight loss journey, and I'm just glad that it happened when it did because a lot of cushion. I'm about 20 pounds lighter now since John would have me up even worse. £20.
[01:50:29] Speaker F: There you go, man.
[01:50:30] Speaker E: Damn, Kenny.
[01:50:31] Speaker A: Kenny's £97 down and still fat.
[01:50:33] Speaker E: That's right.
[01:50:34] Speaker D: So.
[01:50:38] Speaker A: But, yeah, this year. This year, the loser will be getting a Brazilian wax. And, Kenny, since you're so damn far behind, how you. How's that going to feel?
[01:50:46] Speaker B: I'll let you know how smooth it is.
[01:50:47] Speaker A: I don't.
[01:50:48] Speaker B: I'll let you touch it.
[01:50:49] Speaker A: I don't want to touch it.
[01:50:50] Speaker B: You want to.
[01:50:51] Speaker A: That's the last thing I want to do.
Ew. I just.
I'm drinking coffee over here. I'm gonna throw it all up on you.
[01:50:59] Speaker E: All right.
[01:51:00] Speaker A: Before we get into King of the north, though, since we have John on here, I. I do want to take advantage of that. John, obviously, a lot of. A lot has transpired since you were on our show last, especially with the quarterback position in Cleveland.
How are you feeling about Shador?
Do you think it's a good move going to him as the starter for the rest of the year? And do you think there's a possibility that Going into next season, they will actually build around him and give him a chance to be the starter in Cleveland.
[01:51:29] Speaker F: Yeah, man, I honestly, man, I think that's what it looks like. Sure had a great, great showing. A lot of people have been saying Shador won, the Browns lost.
I thought he looked really good. And I think, you know, for the upper management in Cleveland, and it gives them a little sigh of relief that they can, you know, hopefully focus on different things in this upcoming draft and free agency, you know, offseason, and not focus so much on the quarterback position as much as other positions that we need, like O line and, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever else we need. But I thought he looked really good, man. And like I said before in that first game against the Raiders, you know, it seemed like the team itself had more energy on offense and it's just nice to, you know, finally see the offense, offense, you know, moving the ball around.
[01:52:12] Speaker A: Absolutely, John.
[01:52:13] Speaker B: I don't want to drag you into the weeds too far, but obviously a lot's been made of the relationship between Shador, Kevin Stefanski. What's just your take, 30,000 foot view. Like, do, does an NFL head coach have the time and the capacity to play petty games and have bias, you know, impact his decision making, or is he just really trying to do what he thinks is best for the organization and the development of his players? Like, where do we fall on there?
[01:52:45] Speaker F: Yeah, honestly, I mean, you have to imagine as the head coach how much you have thrown at you. So to think that he has the time to really have something petty going on with Shador, you know, one on one, I think is a kind of, a, kind of a long shot.
Being the head coach, you know, there's a lot of things that you have to worry about. And you know, honestly, at this point he should, you know, feel pretty good about having a confident quarterback in there right now behind center.
[01:53:11] Speaker A: Well, I'm going to disagree with you. I think he's got something against Shador and if you don't like that, we'll stack our resumes up and see how they, how that.
No, I just, I just really, you know, I'll be honest. I don't like Stefanski, so I don't like, besides all the petty games that may, may or may not have gone on, I just think that he has a terrible offensive scheme and we don't win games because of him, so.
[01:53:38] Speaker B: Well, I, I, I agree with John. Like, I think it's hard imagine that an NFL head coach just has the, the capacity to even play those Types of games.
[01:53:47] Speaker A: It is hard to imagine, but we're in Cleveland.
[01:53:49] Speaker B: But then I, I watch the games and you watch the play calling and the circumstances and just everything and it, it just at least has to creep into your mind. Like, is it, Is it a possibility that something goofy is going on?
[01:54:01] Speaker A: Yeah, like, so on that front, John, what are your takes on, like, the Wildcat plays in. In every time we get into the red zone.
And I know they did it with, with Dylan once or twice as well, but they also let Dylan play in the red zone several times. And so far that it's been. Almost every time Shador has been in the red zone, especially once we get inside the 10, they pull him and have the Wildcat.
[01:54:26] Speaker F: Yeah, that's, that's, that's one thing, man, I haven't liked as far as, you know, the offense since Shador's been in is seeing them getting pulled out. I mean, he gets you all the way down there to the red zone to have the opportunity, opportunity to score, and then you pull them.
And then we obviously saw what happened at the end of the game last week with the Wildcats. So it's just like, you know, if he gets you all the way down there and he gives you the opportunity to score, let him finish the deal. Let. Let him. Let him steal the deal and win the game.
Yeah.
[01:54:54] Speaker B: John, speaking of that last play, I mean, as a guy that played in the league, I mean, what.
I mean, have you ever seen anything go so poorly ever? A single play call, like, that's a bigger disaster?
[01:55:09] Speaker F: Off the top of my head, no, but I'm sure, I'm sure if I think back, there's probably a couple plays that I could, I could put together. But I mean, honestly, it's. It's like you're almost overthinking the situation, you know, trying to, you know, confuse the defense against the Wildcat. Like, no one's confused at this point that you're going to Wildcat in the red zone. You've done it the past, you know, three games since Shador has been in, honestly. And I mean, I don't, I don't think you need to reinvent the wheel when you get down and towards the goal line. So.
[01:55:38] Speaker A: And I think that's our biggest knock on Stefanski is like, why do you.
It's not rocket science. You don't have to be the smartest guy in the room. There's tendencies that you can follow, things that you can do that will work.
[01:55:50] Speaker B: Your.
[01:55:50] Speaker A: Your quarterback is playing well. Just let him play yeah, yeah.
[01:55:54] Speaker F: And I feel like ever since, you know, more analytics, more statistics, you know, or you know, the breakdowns and like the odds and all, we know all.
[01:56:02] Speaker A: About analytics and statistics.
Yeah.
[01:56:08] Speaker F: And I remember when that really started to become a bigger thing when I was playing. And it's, it's cool, you know, at some point but you can use that as a guide. But I don't think that should take the position of the head coach. You know, like you, you get paid the big buck for a reason, you know, to make the calls yourself, not going off numbers.
[01:56:24] Speaker B: I like that John stayed professional while we were just, just throwing absolute nonsense his way. He was just like, I'm gonn stupid.
[01:56:34] Speaker A: Another, another just head scratcher in this game obviously was the, the fact that when we scored our first of the two touchdowns to try and get back into it, we went for two right away. And, and obviously we, we understand the thought behind it. If you get it the first time then if, then you know, you kick the extra point next time for the win.
If you don't get it, you get to go for it again. And you should be at least 50% on those two point conversions. I get, get that part of it. However, we're the Cleveland Browns right now.
[01:57:02] Speaker B: Well, you're three and nine.
[01:57:03] Speaker A: Yeah, we're three and nine. Why are you not taking the extra point and just going like, just assuming that you're going for the tie?
[01:57:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:57:11] Speaker F: Yeah. I've always been the kind of guy that you know, when you're, you're down and you score and you have an opportunity to, you know, get back on the field and score again, like take the points, you know, and if, and if the next, if the last drive means you have to get two, you know, worry about that when you get there. Right. But you don't want to be in a situation to where you, you mess up the, the extra point or the two point on the, on the touchdown before that and now you're in, you're in a two score game. You could be in a one score.
[01:57:38] Speaker A: Right?
[01:57:38] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:57:39] Speaker B: Final thing before we jump into King of the North, John, obviously we had the Big Ten title game.
You know, Mendoza fever is his hit everywhere. I mean, do you, you know, do you see the Browns probably still taking that guy? Do you think Shador can do it enough before the end of this year to, you know, cement himself as either a bridge or potential franchise guy going into next year?
[01:58:06] Speaker F: Yeah, I mean honestly I feel like that we should run with Shador just because there's so many Other needs and to keep, like, you know, like I was saying before, to keep focusing on the quarterback position, you're just not shining enough light on these other positions that need more focus.
[01:58:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:58:21] Speaker F: Mendoza is a great player and I'm sure, you know, wherever he goes, he's gonna. He's gonna make, you know, a lot of noise, but it's, it's more of, you know, the needs that we need right now to build our team.
[01:58:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's way, way more than just quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I. I mean, I just think that kind of like you alluded to is, is I want to see at this point. He's shown me enough. Like, I would rather see Shador play all season long next year with a couple of high draft picks cementing things around him and see what he's able to do with a little bit better team.
[01:58:51] Speaker B: Well, and I just go back on if he sucks, that takes care of himself. Because you're going to pick early in the draft again next year. You can get your quarterback then in.
[01:58:58] Speaker A: A better draft class.
[01:59:00] Speaker F: Yeah, definitely. The thing I love about our team right now is that we're so young, right. And you know, it's. If you're going to lose, lose young. And I've seen that a million times. And then, you know, we've all been through that, right. Like, the freshmans and sophomores in high school are having to play varsity, and by the time they get to seniors, you know, playing at a high level.
And it's just one of those things. Right.
I feel like with the draft class, you know, Cleveland, you know, got it right in the draft and we had a lot of solid picks that are playing well now. So like you were saying before with Shador, man, it's about playing the rest of the season, getting the reps, getting these young guys the reps, and really looking a lot better towards next year.
[01:59:38] Speaker A: And I know Kenny said, last question. I have one more.
You reminded me of it just now is. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like this draft class has. Has really cemented Andrew Barry staying here longer.
I mean, that's, that's kind of the chatter all around, like inside circles, everybody that's talking, they're saying Andrew Barry's most likely coming back.
Do you think Kevin Stefanski is coming back? Because there's not that same support in all those. All those circles that say he's for sure coming back.
Do you think he's coming back and do you think it's best for the team if he comes back? You don't have to answer that last one if you don't want to.
[02:00:13] Speaker F: Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure, man. I've seen things go south fast in Cleveland and then, you know, you see guys like Stefanski that have been around for a little bit longer. You know, I'll take you back to when I was playing and my second year we had Chijinsky and he was fired after one year. Right.
So, you know, guys being able to, you know, get their opportunity and have the amount of time, I feel like play calling wise, I don't think he should start the year with the play call and if he is back next year.
But has he led the team? Well and I guess that's. That's a question for the. Inside the locker room, but, you know, we'll see. But I'm not sure, honestly.
[02:01:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean that's kind of the consensus is nobody really knows at this point. It could go either way. But we will see at the end of the year. Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed.
But with that, I guess now that. Yeah, now that we're getting back into King of the North. Let me just remind everybody, this is our year long AFC north pickup competition and Kenny has lost every time.
[02:01:22] Speaker F: Every single loss.
[02:01:23] Speaker A: Again, I thought about it, I decided against it.
Bone is our reigning defending King of the North.
Kenny, you're a clown.
And everyone, current records. After week 14, our bone is back on top at 28 and 16.
John and I are tied at 27 and 17 right behind him. And Kenny, you might as well just start picking your salon or whatever it's called where you get this stuff done because you're 20 and 24 and it's not looking good.
[02:01:53] Speaker B: Still a few weeks left.
[02:01:55] Speaker A: You basically have to pick against everybody. You got to pick. You got to target one guy and say, I'm picking opposite of you every time.
So pick me or John. Choose wisely.
[02:02:04] Speaker F: I wouldn't go up the bone right now.
[02:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah, close.
[02:02:08] Speaker E: It's close.
[02:02:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:02:09] Speaker A: But let's go ahead and get into the games here.
Cincinnati hosts Baltimore for game number one. John, since we have. You live here, who you got, man?
[02:02:20] Speaker F: I think I'm gonna go Bengals on this one and, and I say Bengals because the Ravens have just been down. Especially, you know, when everybody thought with Lamar coming back that was going to be the, the turnaround they needed kind of like, you know, within Cincinnati with Burrow. But it seems like, you know, the Bengals have been, you know, picking it up and Ravens having. So I think I'm just going to go off that momentum, and I'm going to pick the Bengals on this one.
[02:02:43] Speaker A: Think you think Joey B. Bounces back from those three interceptions?
Wasn't it three interceptions this past week?
[02:02:49] Speaker B: It was two minutes.
[02:02:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Kenny was salty because he picked the Bengals last week and they ended up losing.
[02:02:57] Speaker F: Oh, yeah.
[02:02:58] Speaker A: All right, so Bengals for you. Bone, who you got?
[02:03:02] Speaker E: Oh, man, I got Lamar on the fantasy team, so I've been biased, and I want him to come back. Back to full potential or whatever, full force. So I. I guess I'm going. I'm gonna go Baltimore, and I don't. I don't know why. I think.
[02:03:17] Speaker A: I think.
[02:03:18] Speaker E: I think. I think Lamar played a better game last year.
[02:03:21] Speaker B: This is the guy that wins King of the north every year. He has no idea why.
[02:03:25] Speaker A: Every single time he picks, he just goes with his gut. He's like, I don't know. I'm feeling it.
[02:03:29] Speaker E: Lamar is playing better, and I think he's gonna have enough to. To overtake the Bengals.
[02:03:34] Speaker A: All right, Kenny, who you got?
[02:03:36] Speaker B: Oh, God.
[02:03:38] Speaker A: Who's your target? You don't know who I'm going with, so who's your target?
[02:03:42] Speaker B: I'm just got. Just got to pick him as I see him, you know?
Bengals almost beat Buffalo this week.
Ravens lost to the Steelers, who are 6, 7, 6, 7.
I'll go bangles this week. Joey Burrow has been pretty good since his return. He just threw too many picks last week.
[02:04:00] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it's going to feel real bad for you because I'm also going Bengals this week for exactly the reasons that you just said. They almost beat Buffalo this past week. They've looked a lot better since Joe Burrow has been back.
The Ravens look absolutely God awful right now. They don't have. I know. The Bengals don't either, but the Ravens don't have a defense. It's the weirdest year for. For the AFC North. It's. Nobody has a defense besides the Browns, and they're in last place, so it's just. It's just strange. But I'm going Bengals. Next up, we got Pittsburgh hosting Miami.
Bone, who you got?
[02:04:36] Speaker E: Oh, Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Super cold.
Whatever they're predicting, I don't know, below 20 and 2 is coming in. I think I read today he's 0 and 5 on any game under 40, so I'm going Pittsburgh.
[02:04:49] Speaker F: Do some research.
[02:04:50] Speaker A: What a wuss.
Kenny.
[02:04:54] Speaker B: The Dolphins really have been playing better football lately. I mean, ever since we made all those cocaine jokes about Mike McDaniels a few weeks, the Dolphins have been On.
[02:05:02] Speaker A: A tear, he got sober. And then he realized the only way I can win is if I get back on the booger sugar.
[02:05:08] Speaker B: And I know I said that the Steelers are like 6, 7, but the Dolphins really are 6, 7, 6, 7. No, they're actually 6 and 7 four game win streak.
So I guess I'll go Steelers in this one.
Dolphins don't travel well in the cold.
[02:05:22] Speaker A: John just hates when he joins this. He's like, what are these guys talking about?
So you got some Steelers. Okay. I'm also going Pittsburgh.
Dolphins can't win in the cold, so going. Going Pittsburgh. John, who you got?
[02:05:37] Speaker F: Yeah, I'm going Pittsburgh as well. I'm on the same thing. I, I just remember, you know, teams, the warmer places coming play in Cleveland, and when it was cold, like, it, it just, you could tell the difference. You know, it was like they got there, they wanted to get the game over with. And, you know, we're used to the weather, so we're playing the game and it's, it's just a different atmosphere. So I'm, I'm gonna go Pittsburgh with.
[02:05:59] Speaker A: This one as well to help Kenny out. I think next year I'm gonna have to implement, like, whoever's in last place coming into it gets the benefit of picking last every game that week.
[02:06:07] Speaker B: Yeah, that should be implemented now.
[02:06:09] Speaker A: Yeah, not right now.
We'll start it next week. I'll even give you that. We'll start it next week.
[02:06:15] Speaker B: John, were you ever a sleeves guy or were you always a, like, Vaseline guy?
[02:06:19] Speaker F: I was a Vaseline guy. That sounds crazy out loud, but.
[02:06:25] Speaker C: That'S.
[02:06:25] Speaker B: Going to the start of this.
[02:06:26] Speaker A: I was always a Vaseline guy.
[02:06:28] Speaker F: Well, and for me, I had kind of a theory around it. Right. So when you. I wore sleeves a couple times in college. Right. And what happens is if it's snowing or raining or whatever it is, if something's coming down, it gets on your sleeves and it just gets cold, even colder. Now it's stuck on your arms, but with the Vaseline, you know, yeah, it's colder, but you get to, you know, keep as much heat in as possible from you running around. And plus, when you're out there running around anyway, you really aren't thinking about the cold. Only when you come down to the, you know, come back to the sideline, you're on the bench. But then, you know, the NFL's got the, their, their heaters on the sideline and different things, the jackets. So it's not horrible for the players. But yeah, I was also no sleeves guy for sure.
[02:07:05] Speaker E: Nice.
[02:07:06] Speaker A: All right, so last game here, Kenny. Browns travel to Chicago.
[02:07:11] Speaker B: You want me to go first?
[02:07:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. I'll go first so you can go last. It's fine. I'll switch around.
You were supposed to go first, but I'll go first.
I've got the Browns. I'm just kidding. I've got the Chicago Bears. The Browns aren't going to come anywhere close to winning this game. They'll come closer now that Shador is starting, but they're going to lose still.
I've got Chicago winning this one.
[02:07:37] Speaker B: I'll go.
[02:07:40] Speaker A: 24 to 21 one.
Chicago. I think it's still fairly close. We might get some late game heroics from Shador.
Bone, who you got? Or. I'm sorry, John, who you got?
[02:07:52] Speaker F: Yeah, I'm gonna go Chicago, too.
And just because, you know, Chicago's been on a tear this year, I don't think anybody expected Chicago to be as good as they are this year. Caleb Williams has stepped up, and he's been playing good ball and. And really, I just wasn't, you know, thrilled with how the defense was playing. Playing last week. It seems like, you know, when one side is doing a little bit better than the other side, we just want to see a consistent game in Cleveland.
But I was. I'm gonna go Chicago on this one. And I got a score of 2417.
[02:08:31] Speaker A: All right, Bone, who you got?
[02:08:34] Speaker E: I'm also going to Chicago. Home game for them. And they're. Yeah, they're a better team this year. I think Shador is going to play well, but I don't know what I hear today. Malik Collins was out last game, and maybe that was a difference in. In our D line. Maybe that affected our defense more than. More than we thought. That's not my original thought. I heard it on the radio today, but I think that makes sense.
[02:08:56] Speaker A: Just own it.
[02:08:58] Speaker E: That's what I'm saying.
[02:08:58] Speaker A: Original thoughts for Moan.
[02:08:59] Speaker E: He was. He's been solid off freaking year and. And our defense freaking struggled last. Last week, so I don't know.
[02:09:06] Speaker A: This is. When Bone has a few beers, you.
[02:09:09] Speaker E: You start dragging on.
[02:09:11] Speaker A: Well, no, you get him to say freaking a lot. He almost swears.
[02:09:14] Speaker B: He almost swears.
[02:09:16] Speaker E: So what? What's my score? Let's go 31. 26.
[02:09:20] Speaker A: 26. All right, Kenny, here we go. Here we go. Who you got? You got to do it. You have to do it. You have to do it to go Browns.
[02:09:30] Speaker B: The Browns have won three games this year, right?
[02:09:33] Speaker A: Yep.
[02:09:33] Speaker B: Who they beat in that first game.
[02:09:35] Speaker A: The first.
[02:09:36] Speaker E: Green Bay.
[02:09:37] Speaker F: Green Bay.
[02:09:37] Speaker B: Cleveland owns the NFC North.
We'll go brown. So what's the worst that can happen? I lose. At least I can root in harmony this weekend. Y Shador's legendary. Let's see it.
[02:09:48] Speaker A: What's the score?
[02:09:49] Speaker B: Let's go. Browns, 31. 30.
[02:09:53] Speaker C: Nice.
[02:09:53] Speaker B: In a shootout in the freezing cold.
[02:09:56] Speaker E: Should or beat Chicago. There can't be any haters left, right?
[02:09:58] Speaker B: That's right. He's going to put an exclamation point on the season.
Cleveland owns the NFC North.
[02:10:04] Speaker F: That sounds like a. Like a new line.
[02:10:07] Speaker A: Yeah, you heard it here first.
All right, guys, well, that's. That's king of the north this week. John, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Hopefully, we're going to have you back next week.
[02:10:20] Speaker F: Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll be on next week.
[02:10:22] Speaker A: All right. We're going to have back to back. John's just like. Bone was back to back with John.
[02:10:26] Speaker B: John, do you remember this moment in the urinal with Bone?
[02:10:32] Speaker F: Hold on, hold on.
[02:10:33] Speaker A: The cruise ship when we were on the cruise. That small bathroom that was up on the pool deck and the urinals were like, right back to back.
You were going. And then Bone walked in behind you and he's like, ah. Back to back with John.
[02:10:48] Speaker C: Hugh.
[02:10:51] Speaker F: I can't say I remember that.
That's pretty funny.
[02:10:54] Speaker E: Oh, it's a very fond memory of mine, John.
[02:10:56] Speaker A: Yeah, he talks about it a lot. He's like. He's like. John just chuckled a little bit like.
[02:11:00] Speaker B: Yeah, who is this?
Back to back with John Hughes. I'm gonna put that on the shirt.
[02:11:07] Speaker E: I was also drinking.
[02:11:08] Speaker A: Hilarious outlines of, like, big John Hughes peeing where. And then, you know, Zach's much smaller. Bones much smaller. I don't know who Zach is.
Bones much smaller. Have them silhouette.
[02:11:22] Speaker B: The show has devolved into chaos.
[02:11:24] Speaker A: It's gonna be back to back with John Hughes. I'd buy that shirt.
I don't know. But, John, thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you next week.
[02:11:32] Speaker F: Good to see you. I always appreciate you guys, man.
Appreciate you later.
[02:11:37] Speaker A: Oh, man. God damn, is it good to have John Hughes on the show.
[02:11:42] Speaker E: Yeah, that was a good segment.
[02:11:43] Speaker B: John offers a much more thoughtful approach than we ever do, I think, guys, I've been there.
[02:11:49] Speaker A: John's a great guy, and I love having him on the show. He probably comes on the show, he's like, you guys are stupid. Like, what am I doing here?
[02:11:57] Speaker B: Yeah, there's no chance.
[02:11:58] Speaker A: He listens and then me and you were like six, seven, I don't know with that. Let me remind everybody to call the Burning Sportscast.
Never get call. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Remember these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
[02:12:12] Speaker B: We want hot takes.
[02:12:14] Speaker A: We want hot.
[02:12:15] Speaker E: Give us those pancakes.
[02:12:16] Speaker A: 33002278081330278081 further 02278081330227801 call now. We'll put you on the air. Be sure to check out our gear www.thetepmedia.com backslash shop and that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect this week?
[02:12:36] Speaker B: This week we will be live on Sunday night. Look for us live on YouTube, Facebook and X as we recap the week. 15 matches up against Dubaz will be on right around 9:30 and we are taking live calls into the show. I think people were so frustrated this week that literally no one called us.
[02:12:50] Speaker A: Our show got popular after it aired, but during it was crickets. I'll be honest with you, it's the.
[02:12:55] Speaker B: First time all year we really didn't have an engaged like commenting audience.
[02:12:58] Speaker A: I mean I get it. They lost to the Tennessee Titans. Nobody wants to even talk about the Browns.
[02:13:02] Speaker B: I didn't want to talk about the Browns. It was a real bad feeling. But anyway, we'll be on around 9:30. We'll be live. You can call us, yell at us, tell us we suck, tell us we're assholes, that's totally fine. And then next Thursday we'll be back with our week 16 preview episode for the game against Dubbels. I don't know why they're all like that now, but another Brownsbackers interview. Tbd. We'll see who wants to talk to us.
[02:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah and don't forget to check us out on social media. Tapping media is on Facebook, X and Instagram at the tap Media. I'm burning our sportscast that's podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok and YouTube at Burning Sportscast and on X as well. Handle at Burning while you're at it. Make sure you find our podcast wherever you get your podcast. Podcast I'm talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora radio podcast, Castro Good pods. We're number ranked football podcast and so many more reviews are the best thing you can do to help our podcast grow. Please keep supporting and we'll continue to grow together. Tweak our formula when necessary and keep Bringing you the best damn Cleveland Browns pod in the land. You know what this takes to Kenny. Hey.
[02:13:57] Speaker B: Facts for days.
[02:14:12] Speaker A: It's time for Facts for Days.
[02:14:15] Speaker B: Oh, I was do the show over again.
[02:14:17] Speaker A: No, we are.
[02:14:18] Speaker E: I thought you're about to do Burning River Sportscast. Facts.
[02:14:21] Speaker B: Facts about the show.
Nobody wants to hear that.
[02:14:24] Speaker A: I would never have thought that. But that's. Yeah.
[02:14:28] Speaker B: To put that on the list.
Facts for days.
[02:14:31] Speaker A: Is there a theme today?
[02:14:32] Speaker B: There is a theme today.
[02:14:33] Speaker A: I love it.
[02:14:34] Speaker B: The theme today is dumbass.
[02:14:37] Speaker C: Great.
[02:14:38] Speaker A: Like actual bears.
[02:14:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Number one, real bears.
Brown bears have an innate ability to know when they are being hunted. Solitary bears have been known to change their usual patterns of activity to increase their safety and outsmart hunters.
[02:14:56] Speaker A: Who all brown bears or all grizzly bears are brown bears. But not all brown bears. Bears or grizzly bears.
[02:15:04] Speaker B: Brown bear, brown bear. What do you see?
[02:15:08] Speaker E: Mama bear staring at me?
[02:15:09] Speaker A: It's something like that. I see a red bird.
[02:15:11] Speaker B: Red bird. Number two. American black bears exhibit striking levels of. In. In. Well, I can't talk.
[02:15:19] Speaker A: Exhibit of intellect.
They can something you don't exhibit.
[02:15:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
They can come back. They can count.
[02:15:31] Speaker A: Oh, that's cool.
[02:15:33] Speaker B: They can distinguish between large and small numbers at a success level similar to monkeys. They have also been known to roll rocks into bear traps to set off the trap and eat the bait insects. Got him.
[02:15:48] Speaker A: Black bears are cool.
[02:15:49] Speaker B: Smart bears.
And number three, While most bears have bare feet. Well, all bears have bare feet. But some bears have bare feet.
[02:16:00] Speaker A: I don't know how that one adds up.
[02:16:02] Speaker F: Keep going.
[02:16:03] Speaker B: Bears have bare feet. Some bears have naked bare feet. But they're all bare feet. Some grizzly bears are brown bears. Some brown bears are grizzly bears. You know how it is.
The paws.
The paws of polar bears have fur on the bottoms, in between the toes. Bears lose most of their heat from their paws. And on those paws, bears can run up to 40 miles. Miles per hour.
[02:16:29] Speaker A: That's fast.
[02:16:30] Speaker B: It's fast enough to catch a running horse. Not even Usain Bolt can outrun a bear.
[02:16:34] Speaker A: Oh, he only goes like 30.
[02:16:35] Speaker C: Damn.
[02:16:36] Speaker B: Less than that even. It's real fast for a person.
[02:16:38] Speaker A: But I thought you got clocked at 31.
[02:16:41] Speaker B: 28 miles per hour.
[02:16:42] Speaker A: He was close.
[02:16:43] Speaker B: It was close. But that, my friends, is bear facts for days.
[02:16:47] Speaker A: Those are some good bear facts.
[02:16:48] Speaker B: Bears with bare feet.
Bears, they all have bare feet. But only some have bear feet.
And all us bears. Bears have the right to bear arms.
[02:16:59] Speaker A: That's true. That is. Yeah. That'd be. Do you imagine a bear that knew how to use arms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights Fair.
[02:17:07] Speaker B: I had no idea that the American flag was made in Lancaster, Ohio. I thought Betsy Ross invented the American flag.
[02:17:15] Speaker E: That was like an extra fact right there.
[02:17:17] Speaker A: That was an extra fact. I appreciated that.
[02:17:19] Speaker B: You know, Facts for Days with Big.
[02:17:21] Speaker E: Mike Goldilocks got woken up by a couple bears.
[02:17:24] Speaker B: That's true.
[02:17:25] Speaker E: Three, I think they lost all their.
[02:17:27] Speaker B: Heat through their paws. But one was just right.
[02:17:29] Speaker A: One was just right. Hey, you ever think about that story?
[02:17:33] Speaker C: Hot.
[02:17:34] Speaker A: One was too hot, one was too cold. So, like, think about, like, how is this the anthropological.
[02:17:38] Speaker B: Is this how we learned about temperature?
[02:17:39] Speaker A: Think about, think about. Like, when you have a kid, right, and you're taking care of your baby, and the baby gets fed first, so theirs is just right.
The dad. Dad eats first because he's with the baby while the mom's cooking the food. So the dad's is too hot and the mom's is too cold because she has to wait till everybody's done, and then, like. And then she.
[02:17:56] Speaker B: Now we're teaching gender norms.
[02:17:58] Speaker A: See?
[02:17:59] Speaker C: Perfect.
[02:18:00] Speaker A: And that, my friends, is Facts for Days.
[02:18:02] Speaker B: I don't know where we're going with this, but that was Facts for Days.
[02:18:05] Speaker A: You guys got a song?
[02:18:07] Speaker B: We didn't even finish the show yet.
[02:18:09] Speaker E: I'm going to sleep right now. Bon appetit.
[02:18:14] Speaker A: Make sure you make it home first.
[02:18:15] Speaker B: Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole giant sequoia ass of a problem.
[02:18:20] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
[02:18:28] Speaker B: River Sports. Gas burning. I think we have to end the show because I just got a text from Bones wife. Did that go to your phone?
She called us absurd, which is.
[02:18:39] Speaker A: Is true.
[02:18:39] Speaker B: That's fair. She said this is absurd. Burning River Sports.
[02:18:44] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:18:44] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:18:47] Speaker A: Hey, Z. Good night, Akan.
[02:18:48] Speaker E: Oh, good night, Akron.
[02:18:50] Speaker A: Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt.
[02:19:04] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:19:08] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:19:10] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:19:13] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sports.
[02:19:23] Speaker C: Cat.
[02:19:23] Speaker D: Motorboat. You play the motorboat.
[02:19:27] Speaker A: You motorboat. Son of a.
[02:19:28] Speaker B: You old seal.
[02:19:29] Speaker F: Or you.
[02:19:30] Speaker B: You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:19:31] Speaker E: What?
[02:19:32] Speaker A: What were you think? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:19:36] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:19:37] Speaker A: My name is Utred, son of Utred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:19:43] Speaker B: Women's guide to, to anal sex and it was the second edition. Who makes second edition?
[02:19:49] Speaker D: The weather outside is weather.
[02:19:51] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger.
[02:19:53] Speaker B: Eating food.
[02:19:54] Speaker A: Fingers. Oh my God.
[02:19:55] Speaker B: God, my ass is full of.
[02:19:59] Speaker C: Everywhere.
[02:20:00] Speaker E: Yes.
[02:20:00] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:20:03] Speaker E: Yes.
[02:20:03] Speaker A: Oh no.
[02:20:05] Speaker B: We suck again.
[02:20:06] Speaker E: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:20:09] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[02:20:10] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[02:20:11] Speaker E: That's right.
[02:20:11] Speaker A: Touchdown. Anyway, what do you mean funny?
[02:20:14] Speaker B: Funny how?
[02:20:14] Speaker D: How am I funny?
[02:20:15] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:20:17] Speaker B: Timber.
[02:20:21] Speaker A: We start a meat podcast. Like, like, like, like the meat pod.
Slow roasted.
[02:20:29] Speaker D: The leads are weak.
[02:20:30] Speaker B: The leads are weak.
Leads are weak.
[02:20:34] Speaker C: You're weak.
[02:20:35] Speaker B: That we should send a team of oil core drillers.
[02:20:37] Speaker C: Allah.
[02:20:37] Speaker B: Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:20:44] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what.
[02:20:47] Speaker C: Erroneous.
[02:20:47] Speaker A: Erroneous on both counts. I mean when I. Last year when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:20:54] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:20:54] Speaker A: But damn.
[02:20:55] Speaker B: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:21:01] Speaker A: You know why, mister?
[02:21:02] Speaker B: Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:21:05] Speaker A: I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:21:16] Speaker E: It's Mother Nature.
[02:21:17] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:21:20] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love. We need cheese girl. Now.
Who's canceled now who's canceled now?
[02:21:32] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:21:32] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people.
[02:21:35] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:21:37] Speaker B: We're a whole race basically.
[02:21:40] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:21:46] Speaker E: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:21:51] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[02:21:53] Speaker F: That's cool, man.
[02:21:53] Speaker C: Whatever.
[02:21:54] Speaker D: No, no, no, no, no.
[02:21:55] Speaker A: Most people like they're driving along and they're like in between meals, like, I'm a little hungry. I'm going to have a granola bar. He's like, I need a cheeseburger.
[02:22:03] Speaker C: Are you not entertained?
[02:22:05] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
[02:22:09] Speaker C: Is this not why you were here?
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