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[00:01:10] Speaker B: It's time time for the Burning River Sportscast. If all good things must come to an end, I suppose it's reasonable assertion that shitty things will come to an end as well. And thank God because this season has been irredeemable in every way. We've suffered through Kevin's delusions of adequacy and head scratching moments in a visceral way this year from a quarterback carousel that revealed no plan to play calling so bad he was relieved of duty for the second consecutive year, sheer incompetence in managing games clock and personnel, and absolutely puzzling press conferences. With each turning of the calendar page, Kevin has provided enough ammunition to terminate with cause. So forgive me if I've mistaken this season for a Broadway production of Cats, because through it all, this may have nine lives. That's right, the magical Mr. Mistopolis has nothing on Kevin's ability to endure. With a win on Sunday against Pittsburgh, feline hybrid Kevin Stefanski has exceeded Jimmy's low watermark on expectations and they have a solid look against an underachieving Bengals team this week. Can four to five wins ensure Kevin gets one more season and is a Stefanski encore the best chance Chador has to maintain his status as a starter for the Cleveland Browns? We'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:38] Speaker C: Dumb season.
Dumb season.
Denny is hammered. We are the Browns backers of North Jersey, not the North Jersey Browns backers. I've had enough. Like angry Bobby's gonna get hit. I'm sure he'll come back with some snarky comment about me.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: And then Bobby stole his seat and didn't know why. Monogam was piss.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: He's been sitting there for decades. Bobby.
[00:03:06] Speaker C: How about them Brownies boys?
[00:03:08] Speaker A: He was who he thought he was.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: He respects women. It's not a fit for the Browns organization.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah, we're in trouble again. Thoughts on Kevin Stefanski this year, his tenure as a whole and just, you know, where where you think the Browns go when it comes okay.
[00:03:24] Speaker B: I, being a citizen of the state, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within the state, nor out of it. Nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons. Weapons.
[00:03:34] Speaker D: It's. It's time for a change.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: In my opinion, God really wasted a good when he put teeth in your mouth. Whoa.
[00:03:41] Speaker D: Whoa.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: If you are easily offended, if you are easily grossed out.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: Oh, no.
[00:03:46] Speaker B: This might be the most graphic and intense segment that we have ever done on the show.
Welcome into the Burning River Sportscast presented by the fine folks at Tap in media. I'm Kenny Thunder. My partner today is living proof not always the fastest and most potent sperm that fertilizes the egg. His grades said Mary Rich, but his face says study harder. He's red hot. Ronnie jams and on the board today. He can cook minute rice in just 30 seconds. He's the big bone man.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: Incredible bone.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: What's the difference between light and hard.
[00:04:27] Speaker E: Texture?
[00:04:28] Speaker B: You can sleep with the light on.
Back to red hot.
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[00:04:51] Speaker A: You can find our podcast wherever you podcast. Talk to Apple podcast, Spotify, stitcher, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora, Iowa radio podcast, Castro good pods where you're an ML rank football podcast and so many more. And leave a review in your preferred podcast app. The best way we can. You can help us grow. Got crazy, crazy there for a second. Don't forget to subscribe on YouTube the only place you can find our video podcast. Check us out on Facebook, Instagram and Tick tock, our handle for all those socials that burn sportscast. We are next as well the handle at burning for pod pod right at it. Check out our merch www.thetepmedia.com backslash shop all kinds of stuff in there. Cincinnati is in Kentucky gear. Go get it. Today on the show, this is what you can look forward to. Hot takes from the hot take hotline the Browns brief more messages from macho fan and brownstronaut division roundup and king of the north with John Hughes. He's here.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: He's here. He's in the house.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: An interview with another Browns backers chapter this week, the Tuscaroras County Browns backers and of course the Week 18 preview for the game against the Bengals. Cincinnati's in Kentucky. Go get your Cincinnati as a Kentucky shirt www.the tappingmedia.com backslash shop.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Go get that.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: Go get that.
And it's weird how you started the show because I, we didn't even look at each other's notes and I have this right here. All good things or excruciating things in the case of this brown season must come to an end.
So now let's go ahead and finish off the regular season and get things started with the burning of our new.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Story of the week.
[00:06:20] Speaker A: All right, this week for the Burning river news story of the week.
The company foam party hats for years has made, you guessed it, Mousetraps foam party hats.
One of their top sellers for a long time was a foam cheese wedge made for packers fans.
Well, this year for Christmas, the Packers sent them a cease and desist letter to stop making them Merry Christmas. So they did.
But what owner Manuel Rojas did instead was start selling the foam cheese grater hat.
It is now their top seller and they are having trouble keeping up with orders. He called it a Christmas miracle because it is usually their slow season. Yet they just can't, they can't get enough order. They can't keep up with all the orders for cheese grater hats.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: They've been on every NFL sideline since. So yeah, good job on them. We, we have some familiarity with cease and desist letters. Our own Cleveland Browns have sent us one in the past. So yeah, just real around their don't trademark language in that.
[00:07:25] Speaker A: Yeah, just don't, don't try and be nice podcast and give away some dope Browns gear.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Why would you want people out there that are, you know, in engaged fans rooting for your team and spreading.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: This could get bad. Let's digress.
[00:07:38] Speaker B: The marketing material around about the Browns. I don't know.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: I don't know. But again, like I said, we digress.
Yeah, fuck the Packers.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: Yeah, fuck them all.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: F them.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: F them all.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: And bonus news story this week. Kenny, you got this one for us, right?
[00:07:58] Speaker B: So this is, it's going around, it's starting to become a meme on social media circles. The old Cameo, you know, where you can pay a celebrity to say something.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: I said we should start doing those. We charge like 13 bucks.
[00:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah, nobody would buy one. But, but apparently Ric Flair has become somewhat of an institution on Cameo because he is old one, drunk and blasted out of his mind a lot of the time and he's been getting a plethora of one star reviews on Cameo, urging people not to spend their money on this guy. Here's one such review.
Yo. I paid 600 bucks for Rick to sit in a restaurant, blast it out of his mind, and say my dad's name wrong. I paid for him to say Merry Christmas to my father, Buff. He called him Barf.
[00:08:46] Speaker A: Merry Christmas, Barf.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: Merry Christmas, Barf.
And just read the instructions word for word. I'm super disappointed I spent money on this. I would have given it. Got someone who actually puts in the effort for 600 bucks. It's a lot of money for a regular person. I cannot give this Christmas video to my father with his hero calling him Barf.
[00:09:07] Speaker A: This is actually the best because you could just see this from a mile away. Like, anytime he makes an appearance on WWE nowadays, he's just like.
Like, that's all. The whole thing.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: To be fair, that was always his shtick.
[00:09:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:21] Speaker B: Go back and watch his promos. He always did that.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: But, I mean, at this point, he doesn't even say words anymore.
[00:09:27] Speaker B: At this point, he is slurring and unhinged. So I just.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: Merry Christmas, Barf.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: It's sad to see your heroes go downhill.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: He was always a drinker.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: Styling and profile and Rolex wearing.
[00:09:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: Kiss stealing, limo riding, airplane flying.
The Nature Boy.
All right, next.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: I thought Bone would give us a woo.
[00:09:55] Speaker E: I didn't watch a lot of wrestling.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: You did it. You watched with Kenny Thunder all the time. You and Mr. Thunder watched a lot of people together.
[00:10:03] Speaker E: I think Ric Flair is before my time.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: No, he was still around in the Attitude era.
[00:10:07] Speaker A: I am a. I am shocked and appalled right now.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: He was. He was.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: You're not a. Paul. Paul's over there.
[00:10:12] Speaker B: He was in the nwo.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Anyways, one more thing. Before we get to the Browns, let me remind everybody.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: Nature Boy is back.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Don't forget to call the hot take hotline. Do we have some hot takes this week?
[00:10:29] Speaker B: Better call.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: You're never ready for the hot takes.
[00:10:31] Speaker B: Better call that or I will kick you right in the Jimmy.
[00:10:34] Speaker A: Right in the Jimmy. Haslams.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: Yeah, we got some hot takes here. Are you ready for them?
[00:10:37] Speaker A: How many we got this week?
[00:10:39] Speaker B: Too many.
[00:10:39] Speaker C: Let's zero, gentlemen.
Dumb season.
Dumb season.
So I'm here with. I'll bring a new person on every week. I'm here with a pretty idiotic man. As a Steelers fan, my friend Ben.
How you feeling, Ben?
Got a lot to say, but Rogers needs to go. He's not the answer. He's 42. He's clearly. He has six points all game. He's clearly not the answer. I mean, what are we doing? We play the Browns. Yeah. They Played the Browns and lost. We dropped 30 on the Lions last week, but we're scoring six and Browns this week. What are we doing? Listen, guys, I got some pretty idiotic.
[00:11:19] Speaker A: Friends, I could say.
[00:11:20] Speaker C: But, hey, enjoy this victory Monday.
Hope you had a good holiday season.
Go Browns, baby.
[00:11:28] Speaker B: Go Browns, indeed.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: Kevin is like the Browns fan that every Steeler fan talks shit about. They're like, you don't come. He comes out of the woodwork when they beat the Steelers, but he goes home at halftime every time we lose.
[00:11:44] Speaker B: Yeah, you're still.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: Your Steelers friend is an idiot.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: Couldn't agree more. I don't know what they were doing. Well, I guess I do know what they're doing. Trying to play keep away from Miles Garrett. That was all they were doing.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: Yep. So you want to talk about.
First of all, I just find that comment funny.
Aaron Rodgers is not the answer. I don't think anybody even in Pittsburgh thinks that Aaron Rodgers is the answer. You said he's 42 years old. Like it was just kind of a stopgap till you guys can find a quarterback.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: He's a quarterback of the future.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: Will Howard's their quarterback of the future. Give him a chance.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:12:12] Speaker C: Let's go, baby. Let's go.
Brought us back of the North Jersey. We're calling from the car.
It's Bobby and Timmy and we're not. Not Bobby.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: He's driving.
[00:12:28] Speaker C: But Timmy is hammered because he said that we always call when we're drunk or next day, but.
But what?
But we're calling. What? We're drunk.
No, we're not drunk. At least I'm not drunk because I'm driving.
Great win. Very happy.
That's it.
[00:12:51] Speaker E: Your hot take was that.
[00:12:52] Speaker C: They said it was wrong. Yeah. My hot take is we are the Browns backers of North Jersey. Not the North Jersey Browns backers.
The Browns backers of North Jersey.
That's it. That's my hot take.
We got one more week, boys.
One more week.
Miles has to get the sack next week. He has to get it. So close.
But we won.
What a good win.
What a good win.
Yeah, screw them. Screw Aaron Rodgers. Ride, baby. Yeah, Whiner. Good night. Have a good week.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: The the Brownsbackers of North Jersey. Always keeping it lively.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure every time I say North Jersey Brownsbackers, I correct myself and say, this is Brownsbackers North Jersey.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: I'm to be. I'm probably the one that's guilty of it the most because I just am interchangeable.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: They're our best friends. You can't even get their name right.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: I guess while we're in the season of issuing apologies, my apologies to Angry Bob, the boys.
I like that. Timmy was trashed and I am trash.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: Where you go, Timmy? Timmy, I'm proud of you.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: Timmy, the other brother.
[00:14:11] Speaker E: Yeah, they, they had a good time watching the Browns win.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I appreciate that. They like drive over here from North Jersey every, every week to watch the Browns lose.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: I appreciate that Bobby wasn't drunk since he was driving.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Good call.
Yeah, we, you definitely don't condone that on this show. So good job out of you, Bobby.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: And agree with Timmy. Fuck Pittsburgh.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, 100%.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a great call.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: What's next?
[00:14:37] Speaker C: Hey, guys, it's Menachem from the Browns backers of North Jersey. First of all, you guys were very astute in figuring out that, yes, I am a teacher. Kudos to you for deciphering that. That's number one. Number two, the game we won, the sighting defense played well.
Miles didn't get a sack, but he was so dominant in the game nonetheless.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: Right?
[00:15:03] Speaker C: We, we kind of look at the sack number as like, that's how it shows dominance. But the truth is there, the way the Steelers game plans to not let Miles get the sack is, was a huge factor in today's game.
All right, now for the Angry Bobby section of the.
Of the Phone Bobby family.
All right, number one is this is Angry Bobby.
She's the greatest. She's amazing.
And if you need proof for that, she has to deal with Angry Bobby. So what else, like, what other criteria do you need?
Number two in the Angry body family power ranking is Timmy.
Now, Timmy is hard working and consistently putting up this, putting up the stuff at the, at the, at our, at our, at the club.
And, and all he gets for it is guff from Angry Bobby. All right, now after number two, there's a big gap and then we get to like a two way tie depending on the week between Kevin and Angry Bobby.
Now, right now Kevin is in the lead because first of all, he stayed till the end of the game. So thank you, Kevin. And secondly, because Angry Bobby was kind of a jerk today. I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: All right?
[00:16:42] Speaker C: Other people bring in like one can of tuna for the food drive.
And, and like, let's notice, let's give him 37 tickets. And, and other people, you know, whose name rhymes with schmanakum, bring in two big boxes filled with cans from Aldi that he sweats all the way to the Browns back in North Jersey. And oh, maybe we should. Maybe we give him two kicks. I don't know. I don't know what we should do. And then he has the audacity to steal my seat to move me over where I've been sitting for decades of like the two years that we've been at the Black Rabbit. And I've had enough.
Like, Angry Bobby's gonna get hit.
Oh, yeah.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: He cut the call off with. He's gonna get his.
[00:17:43] Speaker B: He got cut off by the answering service. Oh, you ran out of time.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: This thing has been building all season. We just, I'm telling you, we need to have a celebrity boxing match.
[00:17:51] Speaker B: I need a whole show just to break down that phone call from Knock Em. There was so much that was unpacked.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: What is happening?
[00:17:57] Speaker B: First off, I'm gonna take my victory lap on the astute observation of Menachem's profession. So thank you and you're welcome.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: But second off, what is going on in North Jersey? Because first, Menachem was issuing apologies to Angry Bobby for like now he's had enough for like two or three straight weeks. He was apologetic.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: Now he's had enough and Angry Bobby's gonna get his.
[00:18:26] Speaker E: He was very defensive of Angry Bobby for a few weeks.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And now all of a sudden there's a huge gap between 2a. It's a two way tie depending on the week between Angry Bobby and Kevin.
[00:18:39] Speaker B: So he was apologetic for weeks and then he power ranked the Angry Bobby family.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: It was, it was kind of an eye opener to see like, you know, bad job out of us. We didn't even think about Mrs. Angry Bobby. Like she has to put up with him. That's true.
But Saint. But like out of the.
The men in the family, Timmy comes second. Like by far. Not even close. Like, Timmy was always kind of quiet up until recently. And then he started being part of the hot take hotline and depends on.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: How many beers Timmy had.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: So I was a little surprised by that, but I can see it.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: We say you come to the Burning river sportscast for the same takes over and over and over again, but really it's to figure out what the hell is going on in North Jersey because it is a subplot of its very own developing right before your eyes. Here on the Burning.
[00:19:32] Speaker E: Has there ever been a, a reality podcast?
Like, you just.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:19:37] Speaker E: There's no filming. You just listen about the reality.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: I think we're doing it right now.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: We're on Something here.
Yeah.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Brownsbaggers of keeping up with the Brownsbackers of North.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: We might have to create a new segment that's just theirs.
[00:19:53] Speaker B: Holy smokes.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: What's next?
[00:19:56] Speaker C: How about them Brownies boys? Well, I thought that game was pretty. Yeah, pretty obvious they didn't want to let Miles get the sack record.
At one point, when Alex Wright got it, I jumped up thinking it was Miles, you know, fooled by the.
The nine on his jersey.
Unfortunately, it was Alex Wright. Not that I wasn't happy he got sacked.
I thought Shador looked. He looked all right. You know, the one interception I don't think was really his fault. The other one, I think he was trying to, you know, throw it more out of bounds, but he didn't put enough oomph on it.
Defense played pretty good overall, you know, Swest is just a dog.
He reminds me of old school football players. A lot of, you know, today's football players wouldn't stayed in with the injuries that he probably has. You know, he's just an iron man.
Yeah, screw the Steelers.
Made it harder for him, you know, to, to win the division.
And here is to next year. Let's go.
[00:21:11] Speaker A: Is that our boy James Frank?
[00:21:14] Speaker B: I don't think it's James Frank. I think it's Jamie from the live show, but I don't know. They didn't, they didn't identify themselves when they called.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: I think it was James Frank. He switched over to the live show this week.
He switched over from Facebook. From following it on Facebook. Oh, is that who was commenting on it? So, yeah. So, yeah. So our boy James from the live shows. He's always in the live show.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: So I. I don't know, like, if James took bombers before the game, like, that was the most laid back, like, excitement that I've ever heard.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: So excited about that game. It is what it is.
[00:21:54] Speaker B: Yeah. He was just so chill the entire time and so mellow.
[00:21:58] Speaker A: The only thing I'll say is I disagree with Shador. Like, that was a bad throw by Shador. The second interception. He wasn't trying to throw that out of bounds. He was trying to do something he shouldn't have done.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: It was a bad throw. So he definitely didn't put enough oomph on it. I would agree with that understatement. I don't know that generally if you're throwing the ball away, you don't throw it towards the opposite sideline, especially when you're rolling out against it.
So he would have had to throw that ball a long way in the air. To get it to the sideline.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: And if he did, that's. That's maybe even more of a questionable decision than trying to make the throw.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: The only. The only. And it's indefensible. The only thing that I will say about that throw, because you just. You just can't roll out and throw it across your body ever in the NFL. You just can't do it. Day one stuff. The only thing I will say is if you watch the.
Not the all 22, but the. The. The over the. The larger, the higher up view.
Judy did call for the ball.
[00:22:47] Speaker E: I. I kind of immediately thought, judy, help. Help your dude out. Like, I feel like he didn't do it.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: He did a terrible job.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: Yeah. He just.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: He mistimed his jump entirely. So that's. We talked a little bit that on. On Sunday night was just not. Not Judy's fault that he threw the ball there.
[00:23:02] Speaker D: Sure.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: But at some point when you realize what's going on as a wide receiver, you do have to play DB at times. Good wide receivers do.
[00:23:09] Speaker E: Pass interfere him or something.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Tackle him. Yeah. Take the penalty. That's fine.
But he did. He did call for the ball. And I can see in Shador's rationale, thinking, God, this is a guy that I've had problems with before. Like, he's going to yell at me. I think he's had the conversation with Shador to this point that says, if there's nothing else there, just throw it up to me and I'll get it for you, man. One of those. And so I think that's kind of what happened on that play.
Every time I watch it, I'm convinced that whatever was supposed to happen there just didn't. And it was a broken play. And Shador panicked and saw Jerry put his hand up and said, I'll give this a shot. Terrible throw, terrible decision, really bad. Can't be done. Can't do it in the NFL. But I think that's at least my rationale for what happened.
[00:23:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I just. Bottom line, you can't make up.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: You can't do it.
[00:23:55] Speaker A: That's what I mean.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: Again, we talked about it on Sunday night. You know, a guy like Josh Allen maybe gets away with one of those in a season, you just can't do it. It's just you. You gotta. You just have to come out of your game.
[00:24:07] Speaker A: Yeah. The rest of that call, though. Yeah. I wish Miles would have got a sack, too, but he's definitely getting it this week. They have the worst offensive line, so.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. But but we appreciate a new caller to the Hot Take outline.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: That was welcome. James.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: Call back.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: Calls back.
[00:24:24] Speaker C: Good morning, this is Bobby from Brown's backers, North Jersey. Yes, my second call, but it's. It's a victory Monday call.
Drinking out of my victory Monday mug this morning.
[00:24:37] Speaker F: Coffee tastes good.
[00:24:40] Speaker C: Just a few things about the game. A little more calm down today.
But it's always great to get a victory.
[00:24:48] Speaker B: You know.
[00:24:49] Speaker C: I know we want to get cease to fancy, get fired. You know, we've been saying that all year. But I don't know, man.
The way the team's been playing, they're playing.
[00:24:58] Speaker D: I don't know.
[00:24:59] Speaker C: Something happened after that Bears game. Team seems to be playing really hard now. I don't know why, but maybe they want to save his job. But we shall see what happens.
[00:25:08] Speaker A: But they are playing hard for him.
[00:25:13] Speaker C: Especially Carson Schweisinger. He.
That guy he had was playing on one leg.
It was amazing to see him play in that game and still play hard, still play tough.
I got an argument. I got into an argument with a guy in our club. He's like, why is he still in the game? Get him out of there. I'm like, who are you gonna put in?
[00:25:32] Speaker D: Dude like he.
[00:25:33] Speaker C: Swezinger is better on one leg than somebody else playing.
Special teams, they've improved the last couple weeks.
I know I was up and down on Andre Schmidt, but he's been very good lately.
He missed the two field goals beginning of the year. First game he missed one, that was a long one. And then, you know, he. I think he's missed knock on wood.
Also good to see Shador connect with nine different receivers. So he was spreading the ball around.
That was good to see.
Again, one interception was. Was a stupid pass. Shouldn't have made. Shouldn't have made the pass.
But you know, Jerry Judy's got to try to not. He's got to be defender on that play. But.
So that was that.
That's it. Basically, you know, we got one more game to go. We. Miles has got to get the sack record on the last game.
But you know these teams now been pulling now where they've been getting rid of the ball quick, running away from him. So we'll see what happens last week.
But we had a good crowd there yesterday, very happy. It's always good to get a win. So I'll talk to you guys again soon next week.
Have a great week. Happy New Year.
And my boy Menachem, he was in a bad mood yesterday for whatever reason. I have no Idea.
I don't like. I don't think he liked where his seat was or something like that, but, you know, he was in a bad mood, and it. It wasn't good to see him in a bad mood. So I'm sure he. He'll come back with some snarky comment about me or something else. I don't know. We'll see. All right, guys, Take care.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Yeah, the. The brownsbacks of North Jersey literally just come here to just on each other.
[00:27:26] Speaker B: Keeping up with the Browns.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: Here we go. Like, I like how he called out exactly what was happening with Monaco. Like, he's like, I don't know, his chair or something. And then he's gonna have something to say about. It's exactly the call we got from Monaco.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: That call was almost as if we were doing the show live. It was almost like he was having the conversation with us that we. We just had with James around, Judy playing defense and some of the other things. And then going back to man being in a bad mood after he slept all of his Aldi groceries to the food drive. And Bobby wasn't appreciative.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: Bobby's gonna listen and be like, oh.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: That'S why he was mad. Bobby stole his seat and didn't know why. Monogam was pissed.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: He's been sitting there for decades, Bobby. For decades. For the past two years that they've been at the saloon.
Yeah.
Listen, first of all, let me just address the first thing you said, Bobby, which was you're not sure. They seem to be playing hard for Kevin Stefanski. And what I'm going to say about that is I'm not going to spoil anything. We're actually going to have a discussion around this with somebody who knows better than we would on why the Browns are playing hard right now. So that'll. That'll be coming up later in our show. Make sure you keep. Keep an ear out. I don't know. This is audio. Keeping an ear out for that and listen, because we will address that.
Well, but I think the bottom line is, no, Kevin Stefanski's gotta go.
Look, shut up.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: This is.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: Just shut up.
[00:28:47] Speaker B: This is a theme of the show today.
[00:28:49] Speaker A: Just shut up.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: I said it in the open. The guy has nine lives.
This team is playing hard. After Chicago, I thought this team had quit on them. They had quit on the season. This team is playing hard. Now, is that.
[00:29:03] Speaker D: What's the.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: What's the actual motivation there? Is it, hey, we'd rather have the monster we know versus the one that you don't. Right. A Lot of these guys are thinking, hey, if a new organization comes in, I. What if the scheme doesn't fit? What if I'm not a fit for what they want to do? So maybe these guys are trying to keep Kevin employed out of their own self interest. But at the bot. The bottom line is the team looked better against Buffalo and against Pittsburgh than they did against Chicago. In a season that's lost, they're playing for nothing.
[00:29:33] Speaker A: They aren't playing for Kevin.
[00:29:35] Speaker B: And.
[00:29:36] Speaker E: And he will not believe it.
[00:29:38] Speaker B: And like Kenny Mack said on our show a couple weeks ago, if. If we. If we get on this show every week and we say Shador continues to improve, Kevin's in charge. If it happened on Kevin's watch, he's going to get credit for it. So if you think Shador is good enough to take in the next season, some part of that logically has to go, well, Kevin was there to measure and make that improvement. Whether that's fair or not, it's the truth. And it's the reality of Kevin's the head coach of the franchise right now, and it's happening on his watch.
[00:30:08] Speaker A: Hey, I just. All I could say is if we have to deal with Kevin for another year, that'll be five years that we've been telling you guys that Kevin's not the guy. So when we get four wins next year, you.
[00:30:18] Speaker B: I'm just saying I think Kevin might be the best chance we have at seeing Shador longer term in a Browns uniform.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: I disagree. Shador is tied to Barry, not Steansky.
Do we have any more hot takes? I don't listen to your anymore.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: That is all. That is all. The hot takes from the hotline.
I don't like it any more than you do. I've wanted Stefan.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: You love Stefanski last night.
[00:30:39] Speaker B: I've wanted him gone since Sunday night.
[00:30:42] Speaker A: On our live show, you turned and you said, I want to see him because I want. I want him. I want Sanders back. So I want Kevin back. You completely didn't. About face. And you said you love Kevin.
[00:30:53] Speaker C: You.
[00:30:54] Speaker B: Here's the thing.
[00:30:55] Speaker C: If they.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: If they draft Mendoza, it will put this franchise back another. Agree another three.
[00:31:00] Speaker A: You don't need Kevin Stefanski to not.
[00:31:02] Speaker B: Draft Mendoza another three to five years.
[00:31:05] Speaker A: You don't need Kevin Stefanski to not draft Mendoza.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: If I can bring Kevin Stefanski back for one more year and surround Shador Sanders with talent and we are mediocre next year. But Shador plays well with the enhanced pieces around him. I might have enough evidence then to say Shador is a long term answer. Kevin's the one that's got to go.
[00:31:26] Speaker A: You might as well.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: Kevin goes now. You may never get that opportunity. You may be in Mendoza hell for the next three to five years with who knows who is a coach. But it won't matter because your quarterback is somebody.
[00:31:39] Speaker A: Somebody punched me right in the dick right now. Just somebody punch me in my dick.
Like this is the stupidest conversation I ever had. That we're even considering bringing Kevin Stefanski back.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: And just punch me right in the dick. And he, you know, Jimmy said, 3 and 14 is not going to cut it.
[00:31:55] Speaker A: You're not going to cut it.
[00:31:56] Speaker B: Shut up. Four wins. Shut up. You got it. And you got a real good look. Beating the tables team, I'll give you.
[00:32:01] Speaker A: I did say that Sunday night. I said, kevin can shut that.
We're officially over the threshold. So we're in who knows what territory. Like, I don't know. Fuck you.
Listen, speaking of hot takes, it's time for Dig it with the Macho fan.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: It's raining Battle of Ohio.
[00:32:26] Speaker C: We end the season.
[00:32:27] Speaker B: Yeah. When we end the season, we ain't gonna end on a loss.
[00:32:32] Speaker C: No way. No.
[00:32:33] Speaker B: Hell, none on my watch.
[00:32:35] Speaker A: None on the Cleveland Browns fans watch.
[00:32:38] Speaker B: No, we're gonna go into Cincinnati. We ain't gonna get no Skyland chili. No.
[00:32:43] Speaker C: We're gonna go get a victory.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:46] Speaker C: Sweet victory.
[00:32:47] Speaker B: To cap off a season. Cap off a season of ups and downs. But I can tell you this much. It's just a little appetizer for another season to come. And when we come back, we're gonna come stronger. We'll become Spider. Yeah. And then when we do, then, only then everybody will be afraid of the orange. Orange and brown.
[00:33:13] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: Let's go brown.
Dit.
Macho.
[00:33:29] Speaker B: Macho man.
I wanna be a macho fan.
[00:33:35] Speaker A: He's so macho and he's a dog. And let's talk about some other dogs. I'm talking about the burning every sportscast. Dog of the Week.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: You gotta play tough people in the National Football League.
[00:33:46] Speaker C: You gotta be ready and we gotta.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: Be the dogs that we are every.
[00:33:49] Speaker D: Time we step on there on Sunday.
[00:33:51] Speaker B: And be ready to attack.
[00:33:52] Speaker C: And don't stop until we're in that locker room.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: All right, Dog of the Week time. We leave it up to our listeners and followers to determine the Dog of the Week. Each week on our live show on Sunday night, we nominated Dog of the week candidate. All of us do. Bone Phones is in because he doesn't want to hang out with us. On Sundays anymore. From there we turn it over to all of you on our socials to vote and make the final decision. This week's nominees, Kenny Miles Garrett.
[00:34:15] Speaker B: Even though he didn't have any stats.
[00:34:17] Speaker A: He had one stat.
[00:34:18] Speaker B: He disrupted the entire game.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: Bone Denzel Ward and I nominated Grant Delpit. And after the fan vote that was conducted today on our socials, the Burning river sportscast dog of the week is Miles Garrett.
[00:34:33] Speaker B: Miles Garrett.
[00:34:35] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: The other guys get out to an.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: Early lead by one vote. He got it by one vote.
[00:34:39] Speaker D: Over.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: Over Zell. So nice. Miles Garrett. One tackle, one. One solo tackle and one QB hit. That was a stat.
It all came on like, like the same. I guess it was. It was two stats because there was a tackle and then there was QB hit. So anyways the bigger story with Miles Garrett in this one was the presence of Miles Garrett. Like just the simple fact that he was playing in the game single handedly won the Browns that game. Like that was the reason the Browns won.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Their entire offensive game plan was just to stop Miles Garrett. To hell with scoring points and playing the game. It was stop Miles Garrett.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: It was the single wildest, most pathetic thing I've ever seen in an NFL game. They weren't just playing another game that if they beat the Browns they win the division.
[00:35:24] Speaker B: Right.
[00:35:25] Speaker A: And you've got Baltimore who is right behind you coming up next week. So you either beat the three win Browns for the division or you've got to face Baltimore for the crown.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: If they won the division last week, you sit your 42 year old quarterback. Next week you get guys rest before the playoffs.
[00:35:42] Speaker A: Right.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: That team needs to get healthy.
[00:35:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:46] Speaker B: And now you are on a. You have a 50, 50 shot of even making it.
[00:35:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And I will see how King of the north shakes out later. I might have to pick the Ravens or I'm sorry the Steelers just because. But if I'm like actually picking this game, I'm picking the Ravens every time. Like I don't like the Steelers chances in this at all.
[00:36:04] Speaker B: Well, and here's the other thing.
In week what it was at 17 you saw two very different teams because you saw Pittsburgh who was on the brink of clinching, who came out and laid an absolute egg. You saw Baltimore who was without the starting quarter.
[00:36:20] Speaker A: It was their fault.
[00:36:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Baltimore without their starting quarterback was saying hey, we're on the ropes and this is the season. And they came out and got the job done. Derek Henry ran for like 216 and four touchdowns.
[00:36:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:30] Speaker B: I mean they, they did whatever was Necessary to win and beat a good team. And beat a good team.
So I think all the momentum is. Is with Baltimore, especially knowing, you know, they had to kind of root for the Browns to win against the Steelers. So it's like everything is lined up for them at this point. You know, that going in, that's. That's a different kind of motivator than you have on a normal week to week basis.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: Absolutely.
Yeah. So my. Once again, Miles Garrett, dog of the week. Just impressive this week to see just an entire team playing for nothing but you.
[00:37:05] Speaker B: It's kind of like one of those things, too. That's just disappointing because, like, we just. You just go against spirit of the game, like when that's your game plan is like, we don't want a record broken against us. Like, okay, so we're not playing football anymore. We're just playing. Don't let this guy get a stat.
It's almost like the whole tanking conversation in all these sports where people are thinking for draft picks, like, you're intentionally losing games. Like the Steelers literally didn't play to win the game.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I think you said it best Sunday night. It's kind of thing I expect from Pittsburgh.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a trash franchise full of trash people. Yeah.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: Anyways, let's get into the Browns brief.
All right.
First off, the Dog Pound captain this week was Kimberly Dunlap Kane. She delivered the final smash of the guitar for the season. And in case you weren't sure who that was, that is the mother of the young man that donated his liver to Bernie Kar. So this was just a fantastic kind of full story circle moment.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:11] Speaker A: For the Dog Pound.
[00:38:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:12] Speaker D: Very cool.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: Just. Yeah. And I know. Didn't they play. Didn't they play sort of a story leading up to it and. And talk about it in. In the broadcast.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: I don't know if it was on a broadcast. I'm sure they did in the stadium, but.
[00:38:25] Speaker A: Okay. So.
Yeah. But just phenomenal moment. Is just great to see her out there. And. And again, just. If you haven't read that story, go read it. It is just incredible.
Next up, Aaron Rodgers. Time to throw against the Browns this past week was the quickest in any game this season, which we've already talked about this in this episode. We talked about it on Sunday night, but just more proof of how much the Steelers were worried about the sack record rather than winning the division.
So embarrassing. Yeah. We'll move on from there.
Final story. Like Newsweek for the Browns. Final story in the Browns brief. Carl, especially when you hear this story.
[00:39:02] Speaker B: Anytime Carl NASA makes an appearance in the Browns Bridge brief.
[00:39:06] Speaker A: Carl Nassib on a podcast this week mentioned that he was annoyed with the Browns in the 2020 Covid season game for running bootlegs away from him the entire game.
At one point during the game he stopped and yelled at the Browns offense, stop with these ink. This is a quote. I just want to. I just want to.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: We didn't say it.
[00:39:23] Speaker A: He did. I didn't say it. But Carl Nassib said stop with these gay ass bootlegs.
To which the entire offensive line turned around and said to him, y' all can't say that.
So just funny story.
And that podcast interview was hilarious if you haven't haven't watched it.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: So did you mention it? I don't know if anybody doesn't know who Carl Nassib is, the first openly gay NFL player. So that's, that's why it's funny.
[00:39:51] Speaker A: But yeah, I mean it's just Carl Nassib if you watch the interview, very personable, very, very funny guy.
[00:39:58] Speaker B: So can I add one final story here to Brown's brief since this is a light edition?
[00:40:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: Your boy Anthony Lima this week just.
[00:40:08] Speaker A: On, just, just on fire with terrible takes.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: So let's hear it just on the analytics bandwagon here and continues to post the EPA's and all the different QBR metrics coming out from Pro Football Focus.
[00:40:21] Speaker A: Is this one of the guys that all over analytics for a long time about like how he can't use that and only that to go on. I digress.
[00:40:27] Speaker B: I don't know. But just consistently ripping Shador Sanders because he ranks very low in all these categories and some of them, you know, dead last out of active quarterbacks based on a minimum number of attempts in these things and far behind the other rookies, specifically Jackson Darden was a Tyler show in New Orleans.
[00:40:48] Speaker A: You know what those numbers lack, right?
[00:40:51] Speaker B: Well, they certainly lack a lot of context. Yeah, that's because the context that my eyes tell me that you heard from Angry Bobby and a lot of the callers on the hotline today, which is that should dors looks night and day different than anything that we saw up to this point in the season. And I know that we can't just judge the quarterback of our franchise against 100 year old Joe Flacco and a diminutive Dylan Gabriel who was never going to be good.
[00:41:15] Speaker A: You mean that figuratively and literally?
[00:41:17] Speaker B: I meant it in the most pejorative way possible.
He's a little coconut and he can't play football.
But I just. We can. You can.
I mean, anybody who's taking a college statistics class, right, like, what's the. What do they all tell you? Like, you can make any narrative you want out of the numbers. It's just the way you arrange the data.
And yes, the analytics may be bad on Shador right now, but, like, I.
[00:41:44] Speaker A: Don'T million other stats.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: I don't care.
[00:41:46] Speaker A: We're not getting into them right now. But I'm just telling you, if there, if you want to go that route, there's a million other stats you could throw out that would paint the picture that Shador Sanders is a phenomenal rookie.
[00:41:54] Speaker B: And I think that you're not just hearing this from Browns fans, you're starting to. To hear it from analysts around the league, not just guys like Skip Bayless, like, other guys that are respected go.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: On a rant this week about this until you listen.
[00:42:07] Speaker B: He goes on a rant every week about Shador, which is fine.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: I'm going to keep saying it until everyone listens.
[00:42:13] Speaker B: Look, here's the thing, too, and this is totally unrelated to what I was talking about, but the Shador effect is real and that for the first time in a long time, the Browns and Shador Sanders are relevant. Getting people to watch Cleveland Browns football and it's the lead story on a lot of espn and you're getting eyes, especially this week, you had Jim Nance and Tony Romo on the broadcast. You had a lot of eyes in that being kind of the premium matchup this week, people that don't watch Cleveland football, all of a sudden, they're tuning in just to see how, whether they like him or hate him, they're tuning in to see him. And what's that worth in the. In the grand scheme of things? You can't pick your quarterback based on that. But that is a cool thing that's happening, is that you get people from the outside now watching the Browns. But more importantly, I just want to go back to the fact that, like the analytics lac significant context because the analytics don't account for the play where Shador ducked out of three tackles and delivered a laser to Cedric Tillman down the field. Like, I don't care. I haven't seen a Browns quarterback do that in years since Baker was here. Right. And we've had a lot of them come through.
So the fact that he has that kind of talent and potential isn't something that you can always quantify on whatever these. These analytics statistics are. So it's just it's just annoying to continue to see this because I don't think you can. Cam Ward is basically one step ahead of Shador Sanders and they're going to build that franchise around him because of the draft position alone.
[00:43:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:46] Speaker B: So you can talk about data and all these things you're using to make decisions. The only one that is driving Tennessee right now is the fact that he was the first overall pick. Right. So if you ask me, that's a way worse way to base your franchise than what you're seeing on the field. And we've seen a guy consistently take chances, throw the ball down the field, deliver accurate passes and grow his ball zones aren't beautiful.
[00:44:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:08] Speaker B: And he got a lot of flack this week about. He wasn't throwing a tight spiral on a lot of passes. Guys, I don't know if you watched the first half of that game. It was spitting rain and it wasn't very nice out. And it's not like Aaron Rodgers lit it up and threw for 300 yards.
[00:44:21] Speaker A: Either of fact, he had worse stats than Shador.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: Yeah, Shador outplayed Aaron Rodgers. But it doesn't matter who Shador outplays because the statistics don't matter unless they're analytics. Then they matter.
Whatever this guy does, it doesn't. It doesn't seem to matter to anyone. They don't care because they just have a preconceived narrative about him that they either don't like him or. Or you're the Jason Whitlock shoulder sexuals and he can do no wrong. Guys, we're watching a rookie quarterback in his sixth start. Look at Josh Allen's sixth start. He did for 93 yards in an interception. People were going, I can't believe they drafted this guy. It's six games for a guy did not have any first team reps until five weeks ago.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I'm right there with you. You sent me a stat last week. I think it was Josh Allen. Wasn't it some one of the quarter? No, it wasn't Josh Allen. He played us. But one of the quarterbacks had literally like 73 yards.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: It was Jackson dart and nobody said.
[00:45:10] Speaker A: A word about Jackson dart. That's who it was.
[00:45:11] Speaker B: Yeah, but you know what? Jackson Darts ranked 18th out of all the quarterbacks on the analytics chart. So good. Good pick, New York.
[00:45:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. That's why you got to combine the two. You got to use analytics and the eye test. But yeah, we could talk about this all night because it's the most annoying thing that I've ever been a part of is just how people are evaluating Shador Sanders in general.
[00:45:34] Speaker B: And frankly, like, part of me is so frustrated with it that I'm like, you know what effort. Draft Mendoza. Get your guy and lie in the bed that you make. Because that guy is not going to be any better than Shador Sanders when he steps on the field. If you're willing to ride with him for three to five years and build a whole team around him, he might stand a chance to.
But again, we talked about this Sunday. Put Shador Sanders, his final season up against all of the Heisman candidates. This year. Shador wins the Heisman. Running away.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: Yeah. You guys. You guys thought Kenny has been annoying the last few years with all roads leading back to Baker. Just wait till you guys draft man Mendoza and now all roads lead back.
[00:46:11] Speaker B: To Shore Sanders, like, what could have been.
[00:46:14] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I'm with you. It definitely gives our show a lot of ammo if you go with Mendoza and then we're ass next year, because we're going to.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: Can you imagine if we go Mendoza with Stefanski next year? If that's the plan?
[00:46:27] Speaker A: It's like the worst thing I could ever imagine.
Literally the worst thing I could ever imagine.
[00:46:32] Speaker B: I want to see it. I want to see it because I want. I want. I want all the Stefanski lovers and all the.
[00:46:35] Speaker E: Is there a more perfect quarterback for Stefanski?
[00:46:38] Speaker B: That's the guy he's been waiting for.
[00:46:40] Speaker A: I don't know. He said. He said 20 or what was it, 14 different quarterbacks since 20? 21. And he hasn't made a single one works. So I don't know. Anyways, let's get into the division roundup.
All right, first up, Cincinnati. They manhandled the Cardinals. Everybody was writing that one except for you, Kenny.
[00:47:06] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: Desperation there. You reek of it.
Doesn't help.
Baltimore beat Green Bay.
And this one was interesting. We were split on this, Kenny, you and I were wrong. My first.
My first hint should have been that you picked the same team as me.
[00:47:24] Speaker B: I picked Baltimore last week. See, I think you got all these numbers screwed up Every. Every week. You do this every week. You're always like, you're. You're under 500. And I'm like, I just. Because you just keep the numbers wrong.
[00:47:35] Speaker A: I'll go back and check either way, you're under 500.
[00:47:38] Speaker B: I was two and one that this week.
[00:47:41] Speaker A: Oh, I wrote down the wrong person. That's why you were right.
So I take back what I said. Although it. It still holds true.
[00:47:47] Speaker B: Take it all back.
[00:47:47] Speaker A: Anytime. Anytime. I take it all back. No, take it all back.
Me and Bone were wrong. We both picked Green Bay, not me and Kenny. Yeah, you picked Green Bay.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: So now Bones calling you.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: No, you can go back and look at that. I know that for sure.
And Kenny, you and John were right in this one. And then finally Cleveland beat the Steelers. Everybody was wrong or everybody was right. Right in this one. Except for Bone.
He decided to go with the Steelers because he had a bad taste in his mouth because he said they were going to sweep the Steelers on the season and then they lost the first one and they were ass all year. So then he was like, no, I'm picking the Steelers. And then they lost.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: I mean, to be fair, all the money was on Pittsburgh in that game.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: Yeah. So for the AFC north standings are as follows. Pittsburgh's at 9 and 7, Baltimore 8 and 8, Cincinnati 6 and 10, and Cleveland at 4 and 12. And the current king of the north standings, which we'll get to later, Bone and John are now tied at 35 and 19. I am at 34 and 20 and Kenny are 24 and 30.
[00:48:40] Speaker E: Thank you.
[00:48:41] Speaker A: So with that, let's go ahead and get. Let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, to start this off, Aaron Glenn is the jets head coach, right?
[00:48:56] Speaker F: Yep.
[00:48:56] Speaker A: 24 interceptions as a player.
[00:48:59] Speaker B: That's a pretty good number.
[00:49:00] Speaker A: Zero interceptions as a head coach this season.
[00:49:03] Speaker B: Really bad number.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: A historic interception drought for a team like it's never happened before. I don't. Has it ever happened that they've gone a whole year with no interceptions?
[00:49:12] Speaker B: I don't think it's ever happened one more game. But we did lose to the Jets.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: Thank you for that. Speaking of head coaches, despite the Chiefs being out of the playoffs this year, Andy Reid has announced that he plans to return in 26 as head coach of the Chiefs if they'll have him.
Side note on the Chiefs. Since Chiefsaholic went to prison, the Chiefs have lost the Super Bowl. Mahomes has torn his ACL and lcl. They've missed the playoffs for the first time in over a decade and have finalized plans to leave the state of Missouri.
On another side note, Mayor Quentin Lucas tweeted on August 26, 2024, the Chiefs and Royals will be playing in Kansas City for a generation to come and to not worry because he's got everything under control now. Both teams are leaving the state.
Talk about a losing campaign strategy.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: He calls himself the Aldi Brand Obama.
[00:50:02] Speaker A: Yeah, he's Audi brand something.
And back to Chiefsaholic. He apparently he was holding the entire franchise together. I don't know.
[00:50:11] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:50:12] Speaker B: You talk about a good read. The Chiefsaholic scandal is a good read.
[00:50:16] Speaker A: Pretty wild.
[00:50:16] Speaker B: Check that out.
[00:50:18] Speaker A: Next up, Mike Vrabel in his post game press conference head coach theme still in his postgame press conference shut down a reporter that was trying to ask the first question. He said that it is a tradition that the first question goes to a female because he believes that it can be a very tough business to break into for women.
Just a class act. Mike Vrabel.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: We had that guy in our building once.
[00:50:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Wish he was our head.
[00:50:37] Speaker C: And we let it get away.
[00:50:39] Speaker A: He was who we thought he was.
[00:50:41] Speaker B: He respects women.
[00:50:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: It's not a fit for the Browns organization.
[00:50:46] Speaker A: Yeah. We're in trouble again.
The only. The only team we get in trouble with is the Browns.
[00:50:51] Speaker D: It's weird.
[00:50:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:53] Speaker B: Anyways, they're the ones that let him go.
[00:50:57] Speaker A: I don't know.
Next up here, the Raiders put Max Crosby on IR and he immediately out and posted videos playing basketball and jumping on a trampoline. All to say that he is not hurt and he wants to be playing.
[00:51:09] Speaker B: Do you think we can get Max Crosby next year?
[00:51:11] Speaker A: That would be.
[00:51:12] Speaker C: Love that.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Insane. I don't think we can get him. We don't have enough money.
[00:51:14] Speaker B: The illustrated man.
[00:51:15] Speaker A: We don't. We don't have enough money.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: If he keeps your door as your quarterback, you got him on the cheap for a couple of years and him.
[00:51:21] Speaker E: And Miles would be best friends.
[00:51:22] Speaker A: You still don't have enough money. How are you going to get him?
Deshaun Watson cost something stupid like 70 million next year.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Here's a the thing. The only skill Andrew Barry possesses.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:51:33] Speaker B: I'll give you this is manipulating the salary cap.
[00:51:35] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:51:36] Speaker B: So if there's one thing he can do that's true, it's bring Max Crosby here.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: Listen, Jimmy, we need to convert things to SC to, to signing bonuses or whatever.
[00:51:44] Speaker B: We're going to convert all of our players roster bonus to roster bonuses.
[00:51:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:50] Speaker B: Denzel, 42 million next year. Here you go.
[00:51:53] Speaker A: Some point this is all going to come back to bar.
Next up, Jack Lamar Jackson may be on the move this off season. Apparently he wants to play for Miami. Jackson is a South Florida native and sources close to him describe internal growing frustration with the Ravens organization. And they say the situation is at a crossroads.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: So it's funny, you know, I lost a lot of respect for Tomlin this weekend. Because of the way they handled the Browns game. But up until this point, I've always kind of looked at Harbaugh and Tomlinson is like the class of the division. These guys have been around for a while. They've had stable programs, they're in the playoffs consistently. Their fan bases kind of hate them.
[00:52:30] Speaker A: It's. It's that whole perspective thing like spend a few years in our shoes, you'll be like, man, these guys are fucking genius.
[00:52:36] Speaker B: I would kill for a hardball here.
[00:52:38] Speaker A: You want a hard ball here?
That's weird, man.
[00:52:41] Speaker B: You got hard balls.
[00:52:42] Speaker A: No.
Josh Allen becomes the fastest and youngest player to reach 300 total touchdowns. Pretty impressive. But they lost the game, so. Feels bad.
[00:52:52] Speaker B: Still lost.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:53] Speaker B: Stats don't matter when you lose. The only thing that matters is wins. Unless you should door Sanders and you get two, then those don't count.
[00:52:58] Speaker A: Nope. Just stats and just statistics. Analytics and cbs. Abc. Pff. Brs. I don't know. Justin Herbert will sit out the season finale against the Broncos as they are guaranteed a road playoff game in round one, regardless of the outcome. The Broncos on the other hand, will be playing for the number one seed in the afc. The Patriots are next in line to claim the top seed. If Denver loses, New England must beat Miami at home. The Pats lose the tiebreaker to Denver. So if Denver, they need Denver to lose, then they gotta win. And then Jacksonville also has a route to the the number one seed.
Jaguars need to beat the Titans at home and Denver and New England both need to lose. So just interest interesting scenarios.
Justin Herbert, the the whole beginning of this story story. He's been sacked more times in 16 games this year by 13 sacks than the highest pre his previous high in his career. He's just been getting beat to hell so he needed a week off.
[00:53:52] Speaker B: The NFL's weird now.
Just the changing of the guard at quarterbacks. I mean Drake may Bonix, I mean Trevor Lawrence like had high expectations coming out but was kind of asked for a while. But they seem to have turned things around now.
[00:54:08] Speaker A: They've won. It's either seven or eight in a row now.
[00:54:10] Speaker B: It's their, it's their, their best record in like two decades since they went to almost went to the Super Bowl 2005 or 2000.
[00:54:16] Speaker A: Did they go to the super bowl or almost go to Super Bowl?
[00:54:17] Speaker B: They went to the AFC championship game with Blake Portals a while and they were like three.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: It was like three point loss or something.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: But I think their record this year even exceeds that team. I think that team only won 11.
[00:54:25] Speaker A: Well, that team didn't peak till like, right before the playoffs. And then they were like, let's be honest.
[00:54:29] Speaker B: Did they peak? Blake Portals was our quarterback.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: They had a really good defense.
I don't know why we're talking about this. The Vikings beat the Lions.
You may be asking why is this?
[00:54:40] Speaker B: Why are we talking about this?
[00:54:42] Speaker A: Well, it's a story because the Vikings had three passing nights.
[00:54:47] Speaker E: It's insane.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: Merry Christmas. Barf.
[00:54:51] Speaker A: I was just letting that simmer. You guys injected some humor.
He called him fucking Ric flair, man.
The NFC's number one seed seed will come down to the 49ers versus Seattle as they meet on Sunday.
It's also going to determine the NFC west, so that'll be interesting.
Great. Three other division titles will be decided on Sunday. AFC north, we already talked about a little bit, but Baltimore versus the Steelers, winner takes all there. AFC south is between Jacksonville and Houston. Jacksonville gets the Titans this week. Houston gets Indianapolis. If Jacksonville wins, they win the division. Division. If Houston wins, they need Jacksonville to lose to, to claim the division title. This is also an insane story because it's eight. Jacksonville is at eight wins in a. Or, I'm sorry, Houston is at eight wins in a row right now, and Jacksonville's at seven in a row. So they've just both been just lights out to close out the season.
[00:55:50] Speaker B: Jacksonville, too, I want to say it has is. I swear I saw they have the biggest disparity from a losing season last year to this year in one season. I think they won three or four games last year.
[00:56:02] Speaker F: Year.
[00:56:03] Speaker B: And they won 12.
[00:56:04] Speaker A: Do it. Why can't the Browns.
[00:56:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm kind of rooting for Jacksonville in this whole thing just to kind of surprise a lot of people. I don't know if they'll win the whole thing, but it would be cool to see them make a run just because it's, it, it reinforces everything that I've always said, which is like, it. Trevor Lawrence is not Peyton Manning. Right. They've kind of built that team around him. You finally get a coach in there that is playing to his strengths, and all of a sudden you go from worst to first. And, and that would be a cool story, I think, to see a guy and to see a team that really hasn't had success, you know, make it a long way.
[00:56:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's always fun to see the, the teams that aren't there every single year do well.
[00:56:38] Speaker E: Yeah, I, I, I feel like he's done it with limited wide receiver play, like, not big names. You know they brought in Jacobe Myers but he's, he's been, he's had a good season.
[00:56:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:56:49] Speaker B: Travis Hunter was hurt early in the season.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: Still hurt, isn't he? Yeah, he's on the year. Yeah.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: And he only, so he only. He only played I think seven or so games before he went out. So. Yeah, I mean it's a great call out.
[00:56:59] Speaker A: They're literally doing it without their top draft pick this year.
[00:57:02] Speaker B: I don't even know who their running back is because they traded tank to Travis ETN.
[00:57:07] Speaker E: Is he still.
[00:57:08] Speaker B: ETN's there but is he. I mean he's like a speedy, versatile guy. I don't. Is he an every down guy for them? Like is he their leading.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: Why are we talking about Jacksonville?
[00:57:15] Speaker B: Because going to want them to win.
[00:57:17] Speaker A: Okay, well we'll root for him but we don't know who's on their team.
And then finally the NFC south will be decided on Sunday.
It basically comes down to the Buccaneers vs. Panthers and the winner take all Panthers are traveling to Tampa Bay for this one. But now you kind of mentioned there's a wrench thrown in this with Atlanta looking like they might pull off an upset against the Rams on Monday Night Football could create a scenario where the Panthers are all but guaranteed to win the division in a three way tie.
[00:57:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it kind of sucks just to have some other team that's out of the playoffs that would potentially determine your fate.
But I think people are looking forward to that game regardless.
But you would like to see games that matter, right? So if all of a sudden it doesn't matter, it's just less fun on the weekend. This, this year was a little bit strange in the NFL because a lot of the playoff positions and seating even are kind of already set up.
[00:58:11] Speaker A: Well, it's not going to matter because. Because if Atlanta loses next week to the Saints then it still comes down to this game. Yeah, Saturday game. Yeah, Saturday, Saturday game.
[00:58:20] Speaker B: Atlanta has to win out so for it to matter. But if they do, and I believe.
[00:58:24] Speaker A: Atlanta plays on Sunday. I know when we were talking off air you're talking about the game would be over but Atlanta plays on Sunday I believe at one o' clock and.
[00:58:31] Speaker B: This game I'd have to rel.
[00:58:33] Speaker A: Is a Saturday game schedule. I don't remember. But either way it's going to going to be most likely going to come down to this.
[00:58:39] Speaker B: So Monday Night Football is going on right now and it was Atlanta taking a hefty lead early but all of a sudden made it the game.
[00:58:45] Speaker A: Yeah, they're coming back. It's 2417 with 728 to go. And I would put money on LA at this point, but yeah. So we'll see what happens there next up here. Not, not NFL related, but football related. College football. I know that the whole playoff is going on this week. We don't care about the whole playoff. We just care About Ohio State vs. Miami in the Cotton ball. So real quick, who you guys got? Kenny, we'll start with you.
[00:59:08] Speaker B: I mean, the last time Ohio State played Miami in a game that mattered, we sent Miami on a like 23 year vacation. So I'll take Ohio State one more time.
[00:59:17] Speaker C: They always.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: Yes.
Bone. Who you got in this one?
[00:59:20] Speaker E: Yeah, that's a, that's an excellent point.
I got Ohio State. I think they're the better football team and we're, we're going into the. To the next round.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: I mean, when you think about that, that Fiesta Bowl 20 years ago, I mean Miami was a power. I mean, nobody thought they could even beat him.
[00:59:35] Speaker A: No. Single best play I've ever seen on a football field is when Craig Krenzel threw the interception. And that's not the best part. But when Maurice Claret ran over.
[00:59:44] Speaker B: Interception by Craig Krenzle.
[00:59:45] Speaker A: Maurice Claret ran over and just rip the ball out of the, out of the defender's hand to get it back for us was insane.
[00:59:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:59:53] Speaker A: That was the rest of what happened with Maurice Cor. Unfortunate, but that was awesome.
[00:59:58] Speaker B: He did at least make it to the NFL at some point. He wasn't very good and he didn't last long, but he did achieve the dream.
But going back to Miami just before, I mean that program was really good and birthed a lot of NFL players up until that point.
[01:00:12] Speaker C: Point.
[01:00:13] Speaker B: So yeah, took down quite a giant.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: Yep. And holy. They just scored.
[01:00:17] Speaker B: Cool.
[01:00:19] Speaker A: But yeah, I also have Ohio State. They're.
[01:00:21] Speaker E: They're.
[01:00:22] Speaker A: There is no team in this playoff, including the team that beat Ohio State in the Big Ten championship. Indiana. That scares me.
[01:00:29] Speaker B: His name is. Is that Carson Beck?
[01:00:31] Speaker A: Is that Carson back?
[01:00:32] Speaker B: He's got a lot of hot girlfriends. That's the only thing they got going for him.
[01:00:35] Speaker A: He's pretty big influencer on social media. But yeah, that's.
[01:00:38] Speaker B: I think he's, I think he's. I think I saw what he was recently. I don't know. He's just entangled or engaged or in some kind of serious relationship with porn star now.
[01:00:45] Speaker A: So he's living your dream.
[01:00:48] Speaker E: He's gonna be distracted. He's distracted.
[01:00:51] Speaker A: Yeah. I got Ohio State in this, I think they went by a couple touchdowns.
[01:00:54] Speaker B: A Bella Danger, I think it was.
[01:00:56] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
And then real quick, NBA news, because this has to be said.
Giannis Antiscupo said that he.
[01:01:04] Speaker B: Say that one more time.
[01:01:06] Speaker A: Said that he will become the NBA's all time leading scorer in the next four to five years.
[01:01:10] Speaker F: Years.
[01:01:11] Speaker A: Now, in case you were wondering, giannis currently has two 21,028 points and he is currently 21,232 points away from LeBron James all time scoring record. And LeBron James still playing. I don't know if anybody knows this.
[01:01:29] Speaker B: But yeah, it's not like it's a static record.
[01:01:32] Speaker A: So currently, Kenny, you made this point before the show, so I'll let you say this part.
Everyone in this room.
[01:01:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I am closer to catching Giannis Antetokounbo than he is to catching LeBron James.
[01:01:45] Speaker F: Yeah.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: And I've never played in the NBA and I never will.
[01:01:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And to go one step further with how insane this is, let's give him five years. The top end of that, that window that he said four to five years. Let's give him five years. He would have to play every single game with no nights off and average 51.7 by points per game up until then.
And so without going in and actually checking the scores from the latest NBA games, I'm pretty sure he fell short of that in his last game.
So he's, he's off track.
[01:02:13] Speaker B: Usually when a guy goes off for 50, it's a story.
[01:02:15] Speaker A: And then to take it even another step further, he would have to average 30 points per game over the next eight years and play every single game to catch LeBron. That's until he's about 40 years old.
[01:02:24] Speaker B: May not even be it. Maybe nine. Yeah.
[01:02:26] Speaker A: So.
[01:02:33] Speaker B: Just delusions of adequacy.
[01:02:36] Speaker A: John is a very good player, but he's not getting the all time scoring record. This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard come out of someone's mouth in my lifetime.
[01:02:44] Speaker E: I think somebody gave him bad numbers.
[01:02:46] Speaker A: Is that what it was?
[01:02:47] Speaker E: I think so.
[01:02:48] Speaker B: Somebody told him if you average 27 a night, you might be able to get there.
[01:02:52] Speaker A: You could do that.
[01:02:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:02:53] Speaker A: Nope.
[01:02:54] Speaker B: Somebody's just bad at math.
[01:02:55] Speaker A: The Greek freak didn't learn math.
[01:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I mean, look, even if, let's say he plays another nine years in the league, you have to stay healthy for nine more years in your play every single game in your late 30s and be at the top of your game.
[01:03:08] Speaker A: They did it?
[01:03:10] Speaker B: That's just. That's just wild in and of itself. I mean, that's part of what makes. I know people are like, well, LeBron played forever. Well, that's kind of the point.
He's been so durable.
[01:03:18] Speaker A: I like how people say that. Like it's a bad thing. Like, like, oh, he played forever. So, like. Well, I think how many other guys can play that long and stay healthy?
[01:03:26] Speaker B: I think they get it twisted because I think you've seen other guys that have been accused of like, stat comp, like your, your Omar V. Scales of the world that like played a really long time and their game drastically kind of got worse towards the end, whereas.
[01:03:39] Speaker A: Why you gotta call up a call out?
[01:03:41] Speaker B: He was just the first name that came to mind because he played for a long time and he wasn't putting up the same numbers at the end of his career that he was. So. But LeBron really, up until like this year and part of last year, could have been the MVP of the league if he really wanted to have been. Right. I mean, he's had some injuries the last year or two over in LA, but up until the point that he was about 40, I mean, the guy could average 27 to 30 points a night.
[01:04:03] Speaker A: He's still averaging like 24. So.
[01:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, he's still even. Even an ancient LeBron James is still a very viable NBA player.
[01:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. Janice. Bad job out of you, Kenny. Notice time for.
[01:04:16] Speaker B: Let's do another interview.
How much money do you make a year before taxes?
I'm actually not comfortable answering. Come on, we're doing the interview now, not you.
[01:04:31] Speaker A: All right. For this Brownsbackers interview, please help me welcome. Hailing from Shenanigans in Dover, Ohio, the president of the Tuscarawas County Brownsbackers. Rich.
Rich, thank you so much for joining us. How are you today?
[01:04:46] Speaker F: Wonderful. After yesterday Victory Monday, can't get any better.
[01:04:50] Speaker A: Absolutely. We don't get very many Victory Mondays. Too few. Yeah, soak it, Soak it in while you can. Yeah, yeah. But before we get to the. To the Browns and some football talk, tell us a little bit about your chapter.
[01:05:03] Speaker F: Well, our chapter started in 2018.
I really didn't take over until January of 25 with my brother in law Jason.
When we took over is relatively small. We only had about 65 members.
And right now we're up to 303 members right now.
[01:05:22] Speaker A: When did you take over?
[01:05:23] Speaker F: Over January of 25.
[01:05:26] Speaker A: In less than 12 months, you guys have grown 300 members?
[01:05:30] Speaker F: Yep. Yes, we have. And I Want to just say before I get in on this, I want to give a big shout out to one of the Brown's alumni helped us grow and that's Felix Wright.
And without Felix, our chapter was. Would never be to where where it is today. We owe a tremendous amount to Felix.
[01:05:49] Speaker A: Yeah, we. We like Felix Wright. Met him on the Browns fan cruise a few years back.
Autograph over on our flag wherever that's.
[01:05:57] Speaker F: Hanging 22 on for him tonight.
[01:06:00] Speaker A: Yep. Got to speak to him for. For an extended period of time on the the Browns fingers a great, great guy. Solid, great guy. Yep. So what else. What are you guys. What are you guys involved with? I know all the Brownsbackers get into charity and community service and those types of things. What do you guys do?
[01:06:15] Speaker F: Well, we started off this year.
[01:06:19] Speaker A: We.
[01:06:19] Speaker F: Had Felix down a couple.
A couple of times to try to get the ball rolling, just to get a feeler. Then once that went well know we had a bowling event for our youth football program. We had about seven Browns alumni down everywhere from Mike Pruitt, Greg Pruitt, Felix Wright, Travis Tucker, Anthony Griggs, and all our proceeds went to Dover Youth Football.
Then right after that we did a Dover Youth football Camp, a free camp.
We had about 203 kids. It was all free. And we had Stump Mitchell and Hanford Dixon down.
And then moving towards the holidays, we've started to partner up with Toys for Todd. So all our 50, 50 raffles, all the proceeds go to them.
And during this time when we had alumni come down, everybody that brought like a toy down got like a discount on their, like their autograph. So it's been going well.
[01:07:22] Speaker A: Nice, nice, nice.
[01:07:24] Speaker B: Is that bowling event, Is that something you're going to plan to do on?
[01:07:27] Speaker F: Well, I was going to. You guys don't mind, I gonna.
We're gonna announce next year's bowling event today.
[01:07:33] Speaker A: Absolutely. Go for it.
[01:07:35] Speaker F: So it's going to be June 13th at Wabash Lanes in New Philadelphia, Ohio.
All the proceeds again are go. Are going to Toys for Tots. And I'll just give you a quick rundown of some of the alumni that we already have. We have Ernest Byner, Felix Wright, Hanford Dixon, Greg Pruitt, Travis Tucker, Wally Williams, Bob Goick, Ray Ellis, Tom Darwin Harden, Reggie Langhorne, Anthony Griggs and Ben Davis. Confirmed. So so far then, we are working with two Browns players that are on the roster right now. We can't say their names yet until after the season, but this should be one of the really big events that we're going to have for next year.
[01:08:17] Speaker A: I got a couple things to add there. We have some connections to some alumni, so we'll have some conversations. We might be able to throw another one your way.
[01:08:26] Speaker D: That sounds.
[01:08:28] Speaker A: And then also, I mean, I don't like to speak for my co host, but I think I know what you might be doing June 13th because don't have a good time.
[01:08:34] Speaker B: I'm happy to have you guys down.
Sounds like a great event. I mean, obviously a stacked roster of guys coming out for that. That's awesome. Is there somewhere in particular people can sign up online? How do we. How do they.
[01:08:45] Speaker F: Well, like, like right now we're getting all the final details done. So if you guys like, anybody that wants to like even like participate, just go to TC Brown Browns backers at our Facebook page, tell us you're.
Then once that gets the ball rolling, we'll get the prices out there. We're still figuring out the details on how many people are going to have the sponsors we're going to have and you know, how many lanes we're going to have to break down and maybe like one segment, like two segments with the crowd we're going to have. So, you know, we're still working out all the details for. For that.
[01:09:20] Speaker B: That's awesome. Sounds like a great event. Yeah. Throw me. Throw me down on whatever list. Make sure you let us know when.
[01:09:25] Speaker F: Oh, definitely. What you have details?
[01:09:27] Speaker A: Y. No, that's awesome. And it's things like this. Like this is. This is the type of things that the Browns backers do and it's fantastic because you get the community involved, you get the. The players past and present involved and then all the fans. You know, you're able to put on great, great events for the fans and then raise a ton of money for good causes along the way. I mean, what could be better than the Cleveland Browns and doing good deeds on.
[01:09:52] Speaker F: Yeah, you know, they're like, you know, like Dover, Ohio is really not a real big town, but when you get these guys down, it just brings a community together and it's a great time. I mean, like the like said last year's event with these guys coming down, you know, you don't get a lot of people to come to Dover, but like now all these guys want to come back. Like Felix has reached out to me. Like Bob Gord just reached out to me. Like they wanted to be a part of. And that makes us feel good.
[01:10:19] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[01:10:19] Speaker B: Awesome.
[01:10:20] Speaker A: No, and just, just commend you, you know, once more. 300 members in less than 12 months and you guys are doing things like this. That's just. That's just phenomenal.
[01:10:29] Speaker B: I like that small group of 65 to start. Like, that's a decent sized group too. So.
[01:10:36] Speaker A: But yeah, I mean, just, just great things you guys are doing. So keep up the good work there. We are going to switch gears here a little bit. We're going to head over to the football side of things.
First question here, obviously there. The two big topics as the season closes out are Shador Sanders and Kevin Stefanski and the fate of both of those. Those people and this team as they move forward. So first I'm going to ask you about Shador Sanders. Thoughts on Shador this year. Year. Have you liked him? Have you not liked him and what do you think they do with him next year?
[01:11:04] Speaker F: I loved him. I thought he was a great pick at five. I mean, really, you got him cheap for the next couple years. I mean, to me, you build offensive lineman around him, you get him a receiver.
I think you got to move forward with Shadora. I mean, I'm tired of drafting a quarterback every, like every year, planing four or five games and then he's done. Done. I'll give, I'll give him a chance to go.
[01:11:29] Speaker A: Yeah, and I think we're right there with you. I mean, we, we've kind of at length talked about, you know, our belief in Stor Sanders at least to see what he. What he has all of next year and building the team outside of that. Because let's be honest, our team has a lot of holes right now. And if, if you think you're going to fix it by just inputting another quarterback at the top of the draft, you're. You're sadly mistaken. So.
[01:11:52] Speaker F: Yep, exactly.
[01:11:53] Speaker B: I think a lot of the logic behind it makes sense. The question is, are the brow illogical and do we get greedy and think, oh, we need this top five pick quarterback?
[01:12:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And, and, and speaking of illogical, it's a good segue to my next question here. I mentioned Kevin Stefanski was the other hot topic right now. Thoughts on Kevin Stefanski this year, his tenure as a whole, and just, you know, where, where you think the Browns go when it comes to. Okay, yeah, I mean, that's, that's where we're at. But do you think they're actually going to do it? I guess. Question.
[01:12:23] Speaker F: I don't know if they're going to, but I lost a lot of respect for Kevin the year after they made the playoffs.
When you had Callahan, you had Van Pelt and you had Stump Mitchell, then you got rid of all of them.
Yeah, I mean, after that, I mean, I'm sorry. You had the best run, the best line coach, the best run, running back coach. Then you got rid of them.
So, I mean, who's out here to get, I mean, I don't know, do you go after Gruden? You bring somebody else in, younger, like a jump off Cooter? I mean, it's gotta be better than what we have.
[01:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's kind of the thinking on our show is, is anybody is better than Kevin Stefanski at this point? Literally anybody.
Yeah, I think, you know, everybody has their own reasons for why they do or don't like, like him. And I think for, for us, the big thing has just been the, a couple things. The complete lack of accountability throughout his entire tenure. Nobody has to answer questions for anything. Nobody has to answer for playing coaching.
It's on me. We're going to get better. We got to get better and we are going to get better, but we never get better.
And then, you know, on top of that, there's just some of the head scratch. This guy's supposed to be an Ivy Leaguer and supposed to be smarter than everybody else, but it seems like the only guy that he can outsmart him is himself.
[01:13:45] Speaker F: Himself. Yep.
[01:13:46] Speaker A: I agree.
[01:13:47] Speaker F: I agree.
[01:13:47] Speaker B: He's like 45 and 60.
[01:13:49] Speaker A: Yeah. He's 15 games under.500. Yeah. So there's that. I think it'll be 14 now because they won one, so.
But either way he's well under.500, so.
And he's been through 14 quarterbacks since, you know, 20, 21, so.
No. So that answers those questions. When it comes to this Sunday, obviously they've got the Bengals, Cincinnati is incoming. Kentucky.
What do you think happens this weekend?
[01:14:15] Speaker F: I think they pull it out. I think they're going to go out with a W and I think Miles will get a sack and we'll go out happy. We'll go on a two game streak. Probably dropped what, seven or eight in the draft and you know, mess it up there too.
[01:14:29] Speaker A: So, yeah, there's that. He does. He's had 25 written on his wrist all season long. You think he go, he goes big this game and go gets three?
[01:14:38] Speaker F: I think he goes least two. I would say least two because I, I don't know if they're going to run to try to avoid him like Pittsburgh did.
[01:14:46] Speaker A: I don't know that they will. I don't think that they have as much to play for and I honestly don't think their line is even good enough to like they might not be able to give him two seconds.
[01:14:54] Speaker F: I know, I know.
[01:14:57] Speaker A: But, but yeah, I mean, I, I think you're right. I think Miles gets it this week.
[01:15:01] Speaker B: So Rich, is there any chance if, you know, obviously they beat the Steelers this weekend? If you go back to back here wins at the end of the season, any those division rivals too, Any chance those two games save Kevin Stefanski's bacon at this point?
[01:15:15] Speaker D: I hope not.
[01:15:18] Speaker F: Yeah, well, you never know with Barry. You never know.
[01:15:21] Speaker A: I mean, I don't know.
We'll have to talk about this off air. We had a, a theory that we floated a while back on Barry and Stefanski and I don't know they're on the same page, but that's, that's, that's neither here nor there. That'll extend this way too long.
The thing I haven't got from you, Rich, what's the, what's the, the score this weekend?
[01:15:39] Speaker F: I'm going to say, well, how many points did we score? I'm going to say maybe 16, 13. Cleveland.
[01:15:47] Speaker A: Yep. And that's, it's kind of mirrors the week one game.
I mean what was it, what was the final score there? It was 17, 16 or something.
[01:15:55] Speaker F: Hopefully. Yeah, that's when he missed his field goal.
[01:15:59] Speaker A: You just praised him this week for the first time. So hopefully he doesn't let you down. But no, listen, Rich, like Kenny said. Did you have any other questions?
[01:16:08] Speaker B: I just real quick that it's a pretty solid looking man cave you got there, Rich.
[01:16:12] Speaker F: Oh yeah, yeah. My wife gave me one room to do and I took advantage of it.
[01:16:20] Speaker A: So is there a place for you to actually watch the games down in that?
[01:16:24] Speaker F: Oh yeah, I have like a big screen TV down down here and everything. So.
[01:16:30] Speaker A: Nice. I just, I see it covered basically floor to ceiling, wall to wall and I'm like, oh yeah, I don't know where a down.
[01:16:37] Speaker F: I got my, I have my arcade on the other side, so.
[01:16:41] Speaker A: Nice, nice.
[01:16:42] Speaker F: I've had, I've had Felix down here, Anthony Griggs down here.
[01:16:47] Speaker B: So I was gonna say maybe she just have the next big Brownsbackers event there right in your basement.
[01:16:53] Speaker F: I'll ask my wife.
[01:16:55] Speaker A: We'll see how that goes.
And last question, actually you, you reminded me of this in your man cave. How many jersey jerseys do you actually have?
[01:17:03] Speaker F: Oh, geez. Probably probably close to probably 100.
[01:17:11] Speaker D: Probably.
[01:17:12] Speaker B: You win the Powerball, Rich?
[01:17:15] Speaker F: Probably probably like probably half of them are signed. Probably got probably close to 50 or 60 mini helmets, signed Rich.
[01:17:26] Speaker A: Imagine where you would be in life if you just invested all of that.
[01:17:30] Speaker F: That's what my wife says too.
[01:17:32] Speaker C: That's.
[01:17:33] Speaker B: Trust me, we all have our voices, right?
[01:17:36] Speaker A: Yeah, Fair. Fair.
[01:17:39] Speaker F: One thing I like to do real quick, I want to the owners of Shenanigans, Jesse and the Nrons, they have been like a godsent to us too.
Like any of the alumni that calm them down, they feed them, they drink, you know, they get their drinks for them, they take care of them. So my chapter wouldn't be here too without them. So I want to give a big out shout out to Jesse in the A because they are huge to us too.
[01:18:05] Speaker A: Absolutely. And honestly, we don't talk about that enough in these interviews. Is. Is these bars that take on all of the Browns backers groups are just amazing. I mean they usually. We hear a lot of great stories about how well they take care of the Browns backers in general. The whole group that comes make sure that they have their own space to watch the game and they're in, you know, the best service all throughout. So absolutely shout out to those guys for. For making it happen.
[01:18:29] Speaker B: Where exactly is that location located?
[01:18:32] Speaker F: It's on the.
[01:18:33] Speaker D: It's.
[01:18:33] Speaker F: It's on like. It's on Route 800 and Dover. I don't know if you guys ever been to Dover. Yeah, it's how it's on way at the other end of Dover. Just a little tiny corner corner Mama pop bar.
[01:18:45] Speaker B: Nice.
[01:18:46] Speaker A: You guys, isn't that where Dover Lake was down there?
[01:18:49] Speaker B: Yeah, the.
[01:18:51] Speaker A: The water slides from hell.
[01:18:53] Speaker B: I got trapped. I got trapped in the lazy river there when I was probably about 7 years old under a ginormous woman. I just almost drowned.
[01:19:01] Speaker A: I just remember that you went to Dover Lake when you were little and you. There was no way you came home without the worst road rash you ever had in your life.
[01:19:09] Speaker D: That's dope.
[01:19:10] Speaker A: Yeah. So unfortunately that place closed down. I wonder why.
[01:19:14] Speaker B: Fun part.
[01:19:15] Speaker A: But listen, Rich, we'd love to stay on and talk to you all night. Unfortunately, we have run over just a little bit as is. But if we are ever down in Dover, especially on a Sunday, we're definitely going to stop in at Shenanigans and see.
[01:19:26] Speaker F: Love to have you guys. Love to have you guys at the Bonneville event next year. You guys come down, do your podcast, run it from there, interview the guys. That'd be great, man.
[01:19:35] Speaker A: Absolutely. We'll check in with you there. Stay. Stay tuned.
[01:19:38] Speaker F: All right, man.
[01:19:39] Speaker A: I got it.
[01:19:39] Speaker F: I appreciate you guys.
[01:19:40] Speaker A: Thanks, Rick.
[01:19:41] Speaker B: Appreciate you thanks.
[01:19:42] Speaker F: Yep.
Hey, this is Rich from the County Browns. Back as you're listening to the Bernie River Sportscast. Go Browns.
[01:19:58] Speaker A: Good time talking to Rich from the Tuscaroras County Brownsbackers. Huh?
[01:20:01] Speaker B: Rich is a dog.
[01:20:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
Over 100 jerseys.
[01:20:05] Speaker B: That's quite a man.
[01:20:07] Speaker E: He's got a collection.
[01:20:08] Speaker A: Yeah. That's insane. I'm hoping we are able to do something with this. Everybody stay tuned. I'm hoping we are able to do something with this. This event that they have coming up in June.
[01:20:16] Speaker B: I just want to go bowling.
[01:20:17] Speaker A: Well, yeah, your 203 average is going to carry the day.
[01:20:20] Speaker B: Should we point out the fact that Bone called us out on where the Dover Water park was?
[01:20:25] Speaker A: Yeah, we probably should. Just a retraction here. Our star, our fact checker finally fact checked us real time.
[01:20:33] Speaker B: He didn't fact check an NFL statistic ever. But he called us out immediately.
[01:20:37] Speaker A: We said Dover Lake was in Dover. Dover Lake was actually up by Brandy. Brandywine, Boston Mills, Peninsula area.
[01:20:43] Speaker E: Yeah. The guy who opened Brandywine opened Dover Lake Water park.
[01:20:46] Speaker A: And it was named over lake because Mike Dover. Yeah. So Bone called us out like the dick he is.
He's like. He's like, I will never check effect unless I know that you. You said a water.
[01:20:57] Speaker E: I had some fond memories at Dover Lake Water park. And I'm like, I did not drive south.
[01:21:01] Speaker A: I just always thought it was so much further. It doesn't get to it than that.
[01:21:04] Speaker B: But it doesn't change the fact that it was a really fun place.
[01:21:07] Speaker E: Fantastic.
[01:21:08] Speaker A: Dope ass.
[01:21:09] Speaker B: Part of what made it fun was that it was a little bit dangerous.
[01:21:13] Speaker E: The best part about it, you guys reference like the getting skinned up from the Lazy river and all that. And that was like, like bold. In. In the article that I found about.
[01:21:20] Speaker A: You know, you never came home without road rage. Like it couldn't. There was no way I really thought.
[01:21:25] Speaker B: I was gonna die. That lady, that time that fat lady sat on me in the Lazy River, I mean I was panicked. I was like 8 years old and I was like, I can't get air. I can't get. And I'm never gonna get out from under her.
[01:21:35] Speaker A: All eight years. Flash before your eyes.
[01:21:38] Speaker B: I mean, that Lazy river was not a lazy river. I mean I just.
The rapid, the rapids, right? Yeah. I mean that was.
[01:21:45] Speaker E: There was like waterfall and they were like.
[01:21:46] Speaker A: Most people went in that thing with no tube. They were just getting the out of here.
[01:21:50] Speaker B: Need a tube.
[01:21:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:21:52] Speaker B: A lot of rapids.
[01:21:53] Speaker E: So much fun.
[01:21:54] Speaker A: What's that?
I think we got an incoming Message from. I think it's time for for Ms. Control with Brown STR10.
[01:22:02] Speaker C: 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
[01:22:13] Speaker B: Zero.
[01:22:14] Speaker A: Ignition.
[01:22:16] Speaker C: Liftoff.
[01:22:18] Speaker B: Liftoff.
This is brownsnot calling in on the Burning river sportscast with the final transmission of the year.
[01:22:28] Speaker C: Well, this is it, our final mission.
[01:22:31] Speaker B: I wish I could see say it's.
[01:22:32] Speaker C: Been an easy trip around the solar system this year, but that'd be a damn lie.
The good news is we have the Bengals this week. Miles is looking to break the all time sack record. Do you think he gets it?
[01:22:42] Speaker B: I think so.
Let's put our helmets on for one.
[01:22:46] Speaker C: Final time and bring home this dub.
[01:22:48] Speaker A: Spaceman out.
Brownster not just out there in space and stuff.
[01:23:02] Speaker B: You know, sometimes he gets lost out there with that.
[01:23:06] Speaker A: Let's go ahead and get into the Week 18 preview.
[01:23:08] Speaker B: He gets lost between the beginning of the show and his segment sometimes.
[01:23:24] Speaker A: All right, this week guys, we've got the Bengals. It's the last week of the season. I can't hold anything back.
Kenny. It's time for another edition of Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:23:36] Speaker B: Kenny's Cliff Notes.
Zach Taylor in his what's funny now? Zach Taylor Brownster not mia.
All right, that'll play well. Especially if not the segment gets caught. Cut out. Zach Taylor in his seventh season in Kentucky finds himself on autocorrect. He's on the hottest on the hot seat after after a disappointing 57, 64 and one record with the franchise and now missing the playoffs again for the third straight year.
[01:24:11] Speaker A: And oh, how the times change. They went from from the super bowl high to to this year.
[01:24:16] Speaker B: That's right. And while that seat may be be warm, let's be honest. The Bengals are the NFL equivalent to Warren Buffett in thriftiness.
We have money but we use coupons at McDonald's type of thrifty there. Are they really going to pay somebody who isn't working for them? No, no, not going to happen. So Joe Burrow is good when he is healthy but oft injured chase Brown is 53 yards away from a thousand. Still one of the best receiving cores in football. Jamar Chase T. Higgins and even the Romanian rocket Andrew fan sample make up a pretty good tight end room. The offensive line has been a blowburger most of the season but has shown improvement in recent weeks with solid performances by the young guys.
[01:24:55] Speaker A: Technical term blowburger.
[01:24:57] Speaker B: Very specific analytics, abc, BBC, BBM and Dylan Fairchild. But they still can't hang with Miles. He's the best there is. He wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence. Nobody can hang with his stuff.
Teams center their entire offense on just stopping Miles Garrett. Apparently. Now, this defense. I don't know what to tell you. Their defense is the equivalent to the Browns offense.
Let me just throw some names at you. BJ Hill, Miles Murphy, Barrett Carter, Orin Burks, Jordan Battle, Geno Stone, DJ Turner. Anyone scare you there?
[01:25:31] Speaker A: Nope.
[01:25:32] Speaker B: Anyone know what positions any of these guys play? No.
[01:25:35] Speaker A: One of them's a linebacker.
[01:25:36] Speaker B: Didn't think so. McPherson is still a decent kicker. And Ryan Reck out was a Mormon.
I don't know what that does for anybody.
No Browns.
[01:25:45] Speaker C: What?
[01:25:46] Speaker A: That's your okay?
With Kenny's Cliff Notes comes another edition of Ronnie Jam.
[01:25:51] Speaker D: Ronnie Jams.
[01:25:52] Speaker C: Matchups that matter.
[01:26:02] Speaker B: If I was. If I went to byu, that's my. That would be my rally cry. Brigham.
[01:26:06] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:26:09] Speaker A: This is why you don't make up rally cries.
All right, so my matchups that matter. Miles Garrett versus the offensive line. Because he's gonna. Apparently we're gonna double triple team and whatever it takes. We're just gonna run plays away from him the entire night to make sure he doesn't get a sack record.
[01:26:23] Speaker B: That's right.
[01:26:24] Speaker A: But he's gonna get the record because the Cincinnati Bengals have the absolute worst line. It's. It's as bad as ours. And we're playing all backups.
Like that's how bad they are.
[01:26:34] Speaker B: Wait, pause. You said one of those guys was a lineb.
[01:26:41] Speaker A: That was really funny. I wish you would have came back and said not a single one of those was a linebacker.
Yeah, but Miles Garrett's gonna get the record. I kind of. I've been talking about it. He had 25 written on his. His wrist or his hand or whatever it is all season long saying that's the goal. He needs three sacks to get there. I think he gets there.
[01:27:01] Speaker B: He also had some Japanese things on his arm.
[01:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not worried about that.
[01:27:03] Speaker B: You like sushi?
[01:27:05] Speaker A: I don't know. I think he gets.
[01:27:06] Speaker B: I'm gonna get that.
[01:27:07] Speaker A: I think it gets to 25.
I wouldn't be surprised if we got another five sack night to leave. No doubt. But no doubt.
[01:27:14] Speaker B: Like tlc.
[01:27:16] Speaker A: Gwen Stefani.
[01:27:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Gwen Stefani.
[01:27:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:27:18] Speaker B: I don't know.
[01:27:20] Speaker A: But he's got to get the record, right? I don't know.
[01:27:23] Speaker B: Here's my hot take for the hot take hotline.
[01:27:24] Speaker A: How does he get it?
[01:27:25] Speaker B: He gets it.
Whoa, whoa.
[01:27:33] Speaker A: Delayed woe.
[01:27:34] Speaker B: At least he reacted. You didn't do anything.
[01:27:36] Speaker A: I made a fake. They can't see. They can't hear your face, but I was so shocked I couldn't say anything.
[01:27:40] Speaker B: Thank God they can't see.
[01:27:41] Speaker A: I think he gets it. I hope he gets it. And next up, I hope he gets the other matchup that matters.
These are the reasons why people are watching the game is because Miles Garrett and Shador Sanders. Shador Sanders versus everyone. And I say that because he's the entire offense right now. There's literally no other offense. The only other guy we had is Harold Fannin Jr. And he just went out with a, with a groin injury. So we're gone.
You literally got Shador Sanders and nobody else.
[01:28:09] Speaker B: That is going to be the opening sound bite. We are.
[01:28:14] Speaker A: You got, you got Shadow Sanders and that's it. So yeah, he's the offense. In summary here, the Bengals coming off a win against the God awful Cardinals. Cardinals. Their record is 6 and 10. Their defense is the worst ever.
[01:28:27] Speaker B: The Cardinals are so bad that an offensive lineman caught a pass for a touchdown.
[01:28:31] Speaker A: I think almost a touch. I got down like the two.
[01:28:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:28:35] Speaker A: But defense overall for the, the Bengals, number 32 in the NFL, that's dead last. The run defense, 32, dead last. Past defense is 29. And then on offense, overall they're number 21. They're number 31 in the NFL for their run game and number eight for their, their passing game. And then you go to the Browns, coming off a win against the Steelers, we got a 4 and 12 record. Defensively number two overall in the NFL. NFL number 14 against the run, number one against the pass.
And then offensively, still not good. Overall, number 30, running game is number 28. And passing games, number 29.
The br.
[01:29:11] Speaker F: It's, it's.
[01:29:12] Speaker A: The Browns aren't good.
[01:29:13] Speaker C: No.
[01:29:13] Speaker A: But the Bengals aren't good either. True.
[01:29:16] Speaker B: Both can be true.
[01:29:18] Speaker A: Here's the deal. Kevin Stanski, still the coach. Bubba Venturon is still our special teams coordinator. But the Bengals are in Kentucky and there is always a way to win. So we're gonna throw this over to the big Bone man, because it's time for Bone man. Skeleton key to victory.
[01:29:37] Speaker D: Bone.
[01:29:37] Speaker A: Do you just get so jazzed for the skeleton key to victory?
[01:29:41] Speaker E: No, but let me, let me tell you something. I'm gonna keep it simple. This week.
[01:29:46] Speaker A: He like broke the fourth wall here. He's like let you into like. No, they kind of hold me prisoner and I don't really want to do the podcast with these guys.
[01:29:53] Speaker B: They make me come over, turn on all the lights, turn on all the equipment.
[01:29:59] Speaker A: Bone. What's, what's the Skeleton key to victory.
[01:30:02] Speaker E: I'm going to speak it into existence. Miles Garrett gets three sacks this game.
[01:30:05] Speaker A: Hell yes.
[01:30:06] Speaker E: Defense plays lights out and we Browns win.
[01:30:09] Speaker A: All right.
[01:30:10] Speaker B: Simple enough.
[01:30:11] Speaker A: Simple and to the point. I like that. Kenny, what's the betting info this week?
[01:30:14] Speaker B: Betting info was a bit surprised. See this? Bengals minus seven and a half.
[01:30:20] Speaker A: Yeah, nobody likes us.
[01:30:21] Speaker B: I felt like a big number coming out of a win, especially when the Steelers were.
[01:30:26] Speaker A: Weren't they like 10 point favorites or something?
[01:30:29] Speaker B: They were four and a half last week.
[01:30:30] Speaker E: That was.
[01:30:30] Speaker B: It seems aggressive, but seven and a half just does feel aggressive. Especially for this Bengals team that is just not very. I mean they have two more wins in the Browns over under 44 and a half.
[01:30:41] Speaker A: Players to watch. We'll start a bone. Who you got?
[01:30:45] Speaker E: Are we doing it?
[01:30:46] Speaker A: You can if you you want.
[01:30:47] Speaker E: Miles Garrett.
[01:30:48] Speaker A: Let's go. Miles Garrett obviously going for the sack record. Kenny, who you got?
[01:30:55] Speaker B: There's a guy on the squad that I'm really excited to watch this week.
Turns out it's going to be a historic day. He's going for the sack record. His name is Miles Garrett.
[01:31:06] Speaker A: Miles Garrett. Okay. So he's going for the sack record.
[01:31:09] Speaker B: I heard.
[01:31:10] Speaker E: Yeah, I think I thought you were going. Raheem Sanders again.
[01:31:12] Speaker B: Raheem was kind of a disappointment this week. He didn't get a lot of carry carries to be fair, but I think he only had like 22 yards on the ground.
[01:31:18] Speaker A: He did get carries. Didn't get very many yards.
[01:31:21] Speaker B: Both of those things could be true.
[01:31:23] Speaker A: And I'm gonna go with the same guy I've been going with for weeks as he's continued to.
[01:31:28] Speaker B: I think you should change it this week because you might have hexed him.
[01:31:30] Speaker A: For the last to approach the sack record. I'm gonna go with Miles Garrett.
So the player to watch.
[01:31:36] Speaker B: Player to watch is my.
[01:31:37] Speaker A: Is Miles Garrett. So come watch him.
[01:31:40] Speaker B: Come watch him.
[01:31:41] Speaker A: Or we're kicking the jimmies and that will take us to gassed up.
[01:31:53] Speaker F: Oh boy.
[01:31:54] Speaker A: Is right. It's time to get gassed up. And you told me you had a good gassed up for us today. So I want to really excited for that. I'm excited. I'm pretty lit.
[01:32:02] Speaker B: I think we need to place a real quick disclaimer on this segment of the show if you are easily offended, if you are easily grossed out.
[01:32:11] Speaker A: Oh no.
[01:32:12] Speaker B: This might be the most graphic and intense segment that we have ever done on the show.
[01:32:16] Speaker A: I hope we don't lay an egg here.
[01:32:18] Speaker B: To be fair though, it's nothing that you wouldn't also read in respected publications like gq because that's where this story comes from. So if GQ scares you, yeah, you should turn off the radio now or fast forward to the next segment, but.
[01:32:35] Speaker A: We probably add a little more flair.
[01:32:39] Speaker B: So you guys, obviously there's a lot of Internet trends and things that go on.
One of the, the most recent is the looks maxing. I don't know if you've caught wind of this, but it's basically what in the olden days we just used to call grooming yourself, basically making yourself look as good as possible.
And they're soft maxing and hard maxing. Like soft maxing is like grooming and diet, grooming and diet and exercise. Hard maxing is like surgery, like, like having fake biceps put in and extreme dieting to lose.
[01:33:13] Speaker A: You should give any sort of maxing a try for once because you look like a foot.
[01:33:20] Speaker B: We might get there.
But this looks maxing goes along with, you know, some of the other recent trends, things like spider webbing and viewing and all kinds of other.
[01:33:34] Speaker A: We'll talk later.
[01:33:37] Speaker B: All kinds of other popularized trends on things like TikTok.
Well, GQ ran a story bone if you want to flip the slide.
[01:33:47] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:33:50] Speaker B: Just maybe for the, for the. Yeah, for their listeners at home. What do you. What do you see in there?
[01:33:54] Speaker A: A guy looks like he's got like a. Like a, like a fire hose. Like an actual fire hose. And he's just letting it loose on his face.
[01:34:01] Speaker E: Right at his face.
[01:34:04] Speaker B: So GQ ran this story and I got October and the title is Meet the Nut Maxers Obsessed with Shooting Bigger Loads.
[01:34:22] Speaker A: What this.
[01:34:25] Speaker B: This story took me down a rabbit hole I was not expecting to go down.
[01:34:29] Speaker A: And you've been to some pretty weird places on the Internet.
[01:34:31] Speaker B: Really weird places on the Internet.
The community at the time of writing in October was a small corner of the Internet of approximately 47,000 men inside of a single Reddit forum that is centered entirely around blowing ropes.
[01:34:52] Speaker A: Is that a technical?
This is the second time.
[01:34:56] Speaker B: And it ranges from everything from guys that are obsessed with the idea because they seen it in adult cinema to guys that swear that this is the only way that their lady can be satisfied and pleasured.
Apparently there's a.
[01:35:11] Speaker A: With the amount, apparently a fair segment.
[01:35:16] Speaker B: Of women out there that are obsessed with.
[01:35:18] Speaker A: I only like big loads, big payloads.
What is happening?
[01:35:25] Speaker B: So I go down this rabbit hole.
[01:35:28] Speaker F: I mean, why not?
[01:35:29] Speaker B: I mean, once you get in, you can't get out. You have to know what it's about.
[01:35:33] Speaker A: There's only one way out of the rabbit hole and that's through the other side.
[01:35:36] Speaker B: Through the other side. Let me just tell you, as of today, this community is up to almost 100,000 men with 48,000 weekly visitors and almost 600 weekly contributors that are posting daily.
And the advice in these columns, and this particular column, this is again from gq. This forum is Reddit slash comebiggerloads.
And the advice in this forum is literally everything from holistic supplements you can take to downright pharmaceutical.
And there's some guys in here that are very, very educated.
[01:36:20] Speaker A: Was this the picture they put?
[01:36:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the picture.
[01:36:23] Speaker A: Right.
[01:36:23] Speaker B: Joe's.
I was trying to come up with something that was sensible.
Sensible but graphic. Sensible, but also didn't give it away right away.
[01:36:37] Speaker A: Okay, okay, sorry you were.
[01:36:40] Speaker B: But the more important thing here, and the reason why I brought this up, is there's apparently some over the shelf, over the counter things. You, you can buy vitamins and supplements that contain things like L arginine, soy lecithin, zinc is a big one. But there's also things like black maca root, celery, sunflower oils. And what's really interesting though is that when you start getting into this, when you start really diving into this, there's a lot of very well educated guys in there that are going, look, I know we all wanna blow bigger loads, but you have to be careful with X, Y and Z because too much of this can cause liver failure. Too much of this can cause diabetes. Too much can thicken your blood. Too much of this absolutely ruin your body. There are men out there, a hundred thousand strong, trying to blow bigger loads at the risk of permanent health consequences.
How important is this that you need to potentially put your overall health in harm's way way just to generate more semen?
[01:37:53] Speaker A: No way.
[01:37:55] Speaker B: I was just blown away by the amount of information that these guys are sharing here. From drinking two and a half to three and a half liters of water every day to different soy products and things that you can have to straight up like Cialis and other pharmaceuticals.
Like, it's absolutely wild. And these guys are in here every day sharing their experiences. Like, hey, I saw better clarity or better milkiness, but I didn't see more volume. It gets very, very graphic very, very quickly.
[01:38:26] Speaker A: What the fuck is wrong with these guys?
[01:38:30] Speaker B: But I just thought the most ridiculous thing was how many side effects there are to some of these things in bulk. One of them was like high amounts of, of vitamin C. And like one guy was like, Would you eat a whole stick of butter? Because that's basically what you're talking about doing. But in vitamin C terms, like you would. You're just gonna die trying to blow bigger loads.
[01:38:51] Speaker E: Sounds like these folks are passionate about this.
[01:38:55] Speaker B: Nut maxing.
[01:39:02] Speaker E: Never crossed my mind.
[01:39:04] Speaker A: I didn't even.
[01:39:05] Speaker E: I just kind of thought it just went with like, like, you know, if you do it three times a week, you might have less volume as opposed to one.
[01:39:15] Speaker B: Fair. I have always kind of put it off to like, look with the stuff that you see. If you've ever watched adult cinema, those guys a lot.
Those guys are the.001% of the population, right? Like their one God given skill is to blow ropes.
[01:39:32] Speaker A: Kind of like we talk about the NFL every week.
[01:39:34] Speaker B: Those are the, like, if you're the LeBron James of cum shots. Like, like, that's just not something that a normal person can aspire to. I might be able to spend hours in the gym and hit a decent free throw in a pickup game. But like, I'm never going to be LeBron James, guys. I'm also never going to be Johnny Sins.
[01:39:51] Speaker A: You're just as likely to blow the biggest load is giannis Antetokounmpo catching LeBron James as the all time scorer. Like, it's not going to happen.
[01:40:00] Speaker B: I mean just, just.
[01:40:03] Speaker A: Like this guy says.
[01:40:04] Speaker B: Anyone want to chime in on if this will kill me? I guess I'll find out.
[01:40:09] Speaker A: That's how, that's how much you want it.
[01:40:12] Speaker B: The, the aspiration here is literally quote God, tier come.
[01:40:17] Speaker A: It's quote what?
[01:40:18] Speaker B: God tier come.
That's what they're after.
[01:40:22] Speaker E: Maximum level.
[01:40:23] Speaker B: Maximum level. Optimum gum shots.
Again, this was in gq.
[01:40:30] Speaker D: I.
[01:40:31] Speaker B: So to be fair, like, if you're like, this is way graphic and we shouldn't be talking about this.
[01:40:35] Speaker A: This was. That's not. I'm just speechless. I don't even know what to say right now. Like, I thought I would be able to add a lot to this conversation. I had no idea what we were getting into, but I thought I'd be able to add more.
[01:40:44] Speaker B: You don't have enough volume. I.
[01:40:45] Speaker A: No, there's just.
I don't have the capacity.
[01:40:51] Speaker E: My trouble is frequency. It just happens too often.
[01:40:54] Speaker A: So like volume.
[01:40:57] Speaker B: Zach, this guy posits, why not take phosphatity? Chloe, I don't even know what that means.
[01:41:04] Speaker A: What? Now we know.
[01:41:07] Speaker B: So, you know, they talk about the abstinence and edging and, you know, waiting and building it up for a few weeks. You don't know what edging is like.
[01:41:14] Speaker A: You get to the edge.
[01:41:14] Speaker B: You get to the edge and stop and go back. Yeah, some of these. Some of these guys are edging. Suck it back in for an entire week so that on, like, Saturday night, they can.
[01:41:23] Speaker F: Impressive.
[01:41:23] Speaker A: Seems like a lot of work.
Like a lot of work.
[01:41:28] Speaker E: How much thought is put into this.
[01:41:30] Speaker B: At the risk of permanent health complications? That's the part that.
[01:41:33] Speaker A: What could go wrong?
[01:41:34] Speaker B: The part that blew me away.
[01:41:35] Speaker A: What could go wrong. It's just more come.
[01:41:39] Speaker B: Is that these guys are willing to put their life on the line.
[01:41:43] Speaker A: Gives a whole new meaning to the term come. Dumpster.
[01:41:49] Speaker B: I don't know.
That was what I was gassed up on this week.
[01:41:53] Speaker F: I don't know.
[01:41:53] Speaker A: This is. This should have been a. Can we talk about this? Because this is more like what the Is going on. Not a. Like, I'm not fired up about it. I'm just like, what the hell?
[01:42:03] Speaker B: Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
[01:42:05] Speaker A: There's a whole forum about this.
[01:42:06] Speaker B: Go read it. And there's R slash.
[01:42:08] Speaker A: Come. Bigger loads or whatever you said.
[01:42:11] Speaker B: And that's just one of the biggest ones. There's. There's a million.
[01:42:13] Speaker A: There's multiple subreddits.
[01:42:15] Speaker B: There's a million subreddits that come up when you search this one.
[01:42:17] Speaker A: There's a million of them.
[01:42:20] Speaker D: There's.
[01:42:20] Speaker B: There's a lot of them. Some of them are like, look, we're looking for tips, tricks, supplements, anecdotes, stories, and everything in between related to increasing your ejaculate volume and quality. Please, no. Not safe for work images or videos.
So there's also forums where guys are just posting videos of themselves ejaculating all over to prove what supplements. Look at this load.
[01:42:46] Speaker F: What?
[01:42:48] Speaker B: I don't know.
[01:42:49] Speaker A: I can't with the story anymore.
[01:42:50] Speaker B: I'm at a loss for my own words.
[01:42:52] Speaker F: Yeah, you're welcome.
[01:42:54] Speaker A: And that is gassed up.
Yeah, I mean, I.
[01:43:04] Speaker B: Red hot Ronnie James has been rendered entirely speechless.
[01:43:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that segment was gassed up and somebody's full. That's for sure.
With that, let's go ahead and get to the King of the.
All right, so before we actually get into King of the north, we have a few questions for.
[01:43:33] Speaker D: For our.
[01:43:33] Speaker A: Our guy John here. First of all, John, the Steelers game plan this week was wild, if you ask me. Like, I have never in my life seen a team just completely disregard a chance at winning the division so they can make sure a player does not. Not get a record.
Have you ever seen anything like that?
[01:43:51] Speaker D: I haven't. And and to say that had to happen against Cleveland's even, even crazier. Right?
It was, it was, it was definitely something to see, man. The way that he was getting the ball out just so Miles wouldn't get to him and was, was pretty wild.
[01:44:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And the fact that after the game we saw a lot of this from, from Steelers fans like, oh, it was passion or fearance at the end of the game. First of all, it wasn't, it was clean, clean coverage by Denzel Ward because you don't have to get your head around of the end NFL. But second, like, what is Pittsburgh doing in that position where they're losing to a three win team to win the division?
[01:44:25] Speaker D: Say the last part again.
[01:44:26] Speaker A: I said what is Cleveland doing? Or I'm sorry, what is Pittsburgh doing losing to Cleveland, a three win team when they have a chance to win the division?
[01:44:35] Speaker D: Honestly, it had to be underestimating, you know, and that happens a lot.
Especially late in the season when the Browns, you know, the record unfortunately looks like that teams come in just thinking it's, it's a, it's a check off, off the, off the calendar, off the schedule.
But the thing I, you know, we can appreciate with our Browns is when, when it comes to games like Pittsburgh, you know, the big, the AFC north games, I feel like we see a little bit more dog, a little bit more fight from, from our team, man. And it showed, man. I feel like they fought, they played the game well from start to finish. I mean, obviously there's some things that we should get back, but to end with a W is always good.
[01:45:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:45:15] Speaker B: Do you think this was embarrassing enough of a loss for Pittsburgh to finally part ways with Mike Tomlin after 19 winning seasons?
[01:45:25] Speaker D: I mean, that's a tough call, man. I mean this. I think I saw a crazy set that he's never gone under.500 in Pittsburgh and coming from, you know, the culture in Cleveland, that's, that's, that's pretty good. You know, I mean, like, I, I don't, I don't think that Pittsburgh parts ways with Tomlin after this year, but I do feel like, you know, coming from this point forward, I mean, yeah, you have to be looking at that position a little bit different now, especially if, if it keeps happening like this.
[01:45:54] Speaker A: But I know that that's kind of the big argument right now, right, Is that they've lost in the first round of the playoffs or haven't made the playoffs for the past. It's like 10 years or something like that.
And so the, the fans are Kind of fed up, up with like, yeah, we make the playoffs, but we're not really that good.
[01:46:11] Speaker B: So meanwhile, we just like to win six games.
[01:46:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:46:13] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:46:14] Speaker A: It's completely different perspectives.
And I always tell my old job, my old day job, everybody was based out of Pittsburgh, and so they're all Pittsburgh fans, and they all like to, you know, we talk football a lot, and they're like, yeah, we got to get rid of Tomlin. He's. He can't win a playoff game. And I'm like, I'd like to play in the playoffs. So it's just. It's so skewed when you go between the fan base.
[01:46:36] Speaker B: I did have a good time Sunday doing proof of life checks on my Pittsburgh friends.
Like, hey, how's it going?
[01:46:45] Speaker D: You know, it's funny, man, because I feel like that's all perspective, right?
It's easy for a Steelers fan to, you know, be, you know, in that. In that kind of position to. To say something like that. But then if you put Cleveland in that position, we love to be in the playoffs. Right. You know, we. We would take that, you know, position any day. But it's just. Is all about, you know, where your team's been in the last X amount of years and where you feel like you should be as. As a program.
[01:47:09] Speaker A: So that's true. Just as his front office. I mean, they had Baker Mayfield in the playoffs and they said, we want.
[01:47:13] Speaker B: To win super bowl, not good enough.
[01:47:16] Speaker A: But, you know, that's neither here nor there. Although, speaking of, you know, our front office and quarterbacks, obviously Stefanski and Chador, continue to be his progression and what they're going to do with them continue to be the top stories as we close out the year.
So I guess my question is this. If you were in charge, John, what are you doing in the off season? Is Stefanski staying? Is Shador staying? Is Shador start next season? Answer all of those. None of those. Whatever you want to do, but you're in charge, so I want to know what you're doing, John.
[01:47:44] Speaker D: Yeah, I definitely feel like you keep riding with Shador.
As far as what we've seen from a quarterback in the past, you know, X amount of years to what, you know, he's been able to show us in the brief, you know, few games that he's been in, yeah, we've seen a lot of bad stuff, but we've seen good stuff, too, and I feel like we can build on the good stuff instead of starting from scratch. Like, I feel like that's it's. The Cleveland way. Right. You know, when things, when a project doesn't go exactly how you think it's supposed to go, you just start from the beginning and, and that just. It. You can never get anywhere if you keep starting from scratch over and over again. Right. You know, I, I take it from when I played, you know, playing for four different head coaches in five years, it's hard starting from scratch year after year. When every other team starting from square five, you're always starting from square one.
[01:48:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:48:33] Speaker B: What about head coach?
[01:48:36] Speaker A: Your answer to that question made this question a little bit more difficult.
What are you doing with the head coach?
[01:48:43] Speaker D: Oh, man, I see it both ways. And I'm not just saying that because I played and, you know, I honestly see it both ways. Right. I feel like there's things that you can build on, but also a lot of bad things that you want to move away from and, and, and look at another coach, you know, so I, I could see them going both ways with this, but you're in charge, John.
[01:49:08] Speaker B: Yeah, John, you're in charge. You're the gm.
[01:49:09] Speaker D: But me as the gm, I'm. I'm starting the coaching.
Coaching hunt, and I'm looking for somebody else. I feel like he's had a of lot of time as head coach in Cleveland and he's had some success, but from what we've seen the past, you know, really since the playoffs, honestly, it's, it's, it's time for a change, in my opinion.
[01:49:31] Speaker A: And, and I just like to point out that at no time in, in my life watching the NFL have I ever seen a coach get six years and go 14 games under.500 approach approximately, give or take, whatever happens this weekend, go 14 games under.500 over six years. And there's still so many people defending that coach and saying that they're a good coach. Like, that doesn't happen in the NFL. In the NFL, if you're that bad over six years, you definitely don't have a job.
[01:50:00] Speaker D: Yeah. And honestly, I feel like Stefanski would have been fired in any other organization but Cleveland. Right. It's because he brought success to Cleveland, like we mentioned, mentioned before, that it's, it's easy to keep his name in, in the, in the, in the coaching column. Right. But then when you think about where this team could be, the amount of talent that we've had year in and year out and we haven't been productive, it's even easier to say that you'll. It's time to look for somebody Else.
[01:50:30] Speaker F: Yeah.
[01:50:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Final question on Stefanski. You know, obviously, John, you played on some teams that struggled here in Cleveland, and I think when we watched that Chicago game a couple weeks ago, it felt like the team had pretty much had it and had quit. But then you saw them play Buffalo tight, they get the win against Pittsburgh.
I mean, is there anything to be said for, hey, this team is still fighting, still playing right down. I mean, especially if they win against Cincinnati. I mean, is there anything to be.
[01:50:59] Speaker A: Said two division rivals out the season.
[01:51:01] Speaker B: Kind of holding the locker room together to an extent, getting guys to still, you know, put their best effort out there, even though the team is just not in a good spot?
[01:51:09] Speaker D: Well, yeah, I mean, and, you know, like I said, being in the situation, you know, numerous times at the end of the year, the, you're, you're still fighting, you're playing hard, but the, the motivation, I guess it shifts. You're always playing for your, for your spot, but even more so now you're playing for a roster spot for next year. Right? So all the film that's coming out now is the film that's going to have you either with the Browns next year or with another team. Right? So it's, you know, individually, players playing their best and hopefully collectively it looks good as a team. Right? And you want to win as a team, but it's these guys now and even coaches, right?
Coaches the same. You're, you're almost auditioning for next year, whether it's with the Browns or with somebody else.
[01:51:50] Speaker B: So if I'm reading between the lines, John, what you're telling me is Kevin Stefanski is in no way responsible for this team playing hard at the end of the season. It's just guys that are auditioning for, for the own good.
[01:52:01] Speaker D: I mean, that's, that's a, that's a big piece of man. I've never been in the locker room with Sainsky in, in his pep talk, so I can't really speak on him. But yeah, I just, like I said, I can speak for when, when I was playing, man, and I, and I just know that insecurity you feel going in to the last couple games as a losing team, I guess I can say, you know what I mean? Like, you're going in thinking, like, all right, well, I need to, you know, play my best ball so I can have, have a shot to, you know, be here or be there, you know, whatever it is. I, I need to make sure the last, you know, couple of games of film that I'm putting out Is my best.
[01:52:35] Speaker A: How extensive was your media training going into the NFL?
[01:52:41] Speaker D: It actually wasn't as. As much as you would think, man.
A lot of time, man. Guys just kind of say whatever. You almost learn your. Your. Your social media etiquette over time.
Maybe it's by saying the wrong thing here and there, like at some point, then you get correct corrected, but you. You eventually figure it out.
[01:53:00] Speaker A: You're pretty polished.
That was a politician's answer if I ever heard one.
[01:53:05] Speaker B: John spent a lot of time on our show, so he's.
[01:53:07] Speaker A: That's true.
[01:53:07] Speaker B: He's a seasoned pro now.
[01:53:09] Speaker F: Yeah.
[01:53:09] Speaker A: He's like.
[01:53:13] Speaker B: Do you have anything else on those guys right now? I had just kind of one kind of tangential question.
So there was a time during the game Sunday where Tony Romo. It was nice to have Nancy Romo on the call, actually.
[01:53:26] Speaker A: Much better.
[01:53:27] Speaker B: We don't have those guys very the A team, but there was a point in time where Rogers had checked out of a plate, the line of scrimmage, and Tony actually drew with the telestrator. They're going inside run right here.
How much of that is a player? Like, how many times during a game did you hear a check or a call and go, yeah, we know that one. This thing's coming right to me. Like, let's eat, boy. Like, let's go. Like. Like, was that.
[01:53:51] Speaker D: Was.
[01:53:51] Speaker B: Was that a common occurrence or is that just Tony just because he's watched a lot of football and played. Played quarterback?
[01:53:57] Speaker D: Well, yeah, I mean, to answer your question, yes, for both, right? Like, yeah, Tony Romo is really good at what he does. And that's why, you know, the quarterbacks, they know they have to know everything on from O line all the way down to receivers and what they're doing.
But, yeah, that happens a lot, man. So you'll sit there and you'll. What happens is during practice or throughout the week, you not only watch, like, just regular films, so there's two different types of film, right? You have the film that, you know, somebody. Somebody's like, create, like somebody's filming, giving you different angles. But then you have your TV copies, right? And we'll listen to TV copies specifically just listening for quarterback calls because obviously they're mic'd up. And when you're listening to the games, you can hear the calls, right? So even if they're very muffled, you're getting a sense of what's going on, especially with the audibles and checks to know what's going on, right? Even if it's going to run you can see like off of the sets. What predominantly are they going to in that run when they call that? I mean, there's a lot of different things, things you can look at.
[01:54:53] Speaker B: Did you ever have anywhere like you knew it and just blew it the up afterward? You were like, this is going to be right to me.
[01:55:00] Speaker D: Completely disregarded my assignment and knew it.
[01:55:02] Speaker A: Involved going, yeah, that's just being a ball player, right? That's why you were in the NFL.
[01:55:08] Speaker D: And the thing is if, if, if you're right, you're right. And if you're wrong, you're, you're really, you're really wrong. You know what I mean? So you just got to make sure you're right.
[01:55:16] Speaker A: So it sounds like you have some experience with both. Like give us, give us just like kind of a breakdown of the feeling one way or the other. Like how different was that?
[01:55:26] Speaker D: Well, if you get it right, it's usually a TFL and everybody's screaming and you know you're on the jumbotron, right? And then if, if you get it wrong, usually you're running out trying to explain yourself and usually not in the next play. Right? But honestly, man, you know, you're getting paid the big bucks, man. You take big chances.
[01:55:45] Speaker B: Fair.
[01:55:45] Speaker F: That's fair.
[01:55:46] Speaker A: That's fair. I was going to say you kind of answered in that, but I was gonna say, how bad do your coaches rip you when that happens? But it sounds like pretty bad. You're not playing the next play, so.
[01:55:53] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
[01:55:54] Speaker A: Listen, we could talk about this stuff all night. Let's go ahead and get into King of the North. Did you have anything left?
[01:55:58] Speaker B: No.
[01:55:59] Speaker A: All right, King of the north here. In case anyone doesn't know by now, this is their year long AFC north pickup competition at the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished. In the preseason two years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans in the muni lot before a game in the preseason Last year, Kenny had his hair and beard shaved clean off a few weeks ago for losing. This past season, Kenny donned the pads for the first time in almost 20 years and got hit three times by our guy, big John Hughes here.
Just let it simmer for a second.
And this year, the loser, AKA Kenny will be getting a Brazilian wax. Kenny, are you excited for this?
[01:56:34] Speaker B: You know, God really wasted a good asshole when he put teeth in your mouth.
[01:56:39] Speaker A: Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment. So let's go ahead and get into things here. First things first. First, I want to remind everyone that Bone is the reigning defending king of the North.
Also, Kenny, you're a clown and you're in. In. You are. Now, I can. I can say this because it's over for this year.
You're the undisputed, unchallenged, undeniable loser of king of the North.
So enjoy that.
Let's remind everyone of our current records after week 17 here, Bone and John, you're tied at 35 and 19 to lead this thing.
[01:57:15] Speaker E: Strong work.
[01:57:15] Speaker B: Bone made qu. John made quite the comeback. There was a moment he was down.
[01:57:19] Speaker A: With you for a minute.
[01:57:20] Speaker B: John and I were kind of back and forth.
[01:57:21] Speaker A: I can't believe we would had those discussions.
I'm one game behind you guys at 34 and 20 and Kenny is at 24 and 30, so a little bit under.500.
But. But there are two games this week, just two games. So you can't come anywhere close to coming back. But let's go ahead and get into those first one for the division. Pittsburgh host Baltimore and like I said, the winner takes all. So, John, who do you have?
[01:57:48] Speaker D: We're going Baltimore. We're going Baltimore. I feel like, you know, yes, the Steelers might come in ready to go just because coming off of a loss to Cleveland, but I'm never going to say Pittsburgh's going to win the division. I got Lamar and the Ravens and. Yeah, we're going Baltimore.
[01:58:07] Speaker A: Bone, who you got?
[01:58:09] Speaker E: I'm going to go Baltimore, too.
I just feel like they're going to win. I think they're going to win the division. I think the Pittsburgh made a big mistake, you know, just trying to just get Miles Garrett out of this game this week, and they lost the division by doing that. So go Baltimore.
[01:58:24] Speaker A: I'm going to go Steelers because I need. Listen, I think Baltimore is going to win this game, but I'm going to go Steelers because I want to tie you guys for the lead here.
So I'm going to go Steelers.
I think they are at home. So typically you got a 50, 50 game. We don't know if Lamar Jackson's playing or not.
And they're at home. They got that. They got Mike Tyler Tomlin, who's. I guess he's already above.500, so that's not in jeopardy. But he typically gets him to the first round of the playoff and then loses then. So I'm going Pittsburgh. Kenny, who you got?
[01:58:54] Speaker B: I guess it really doesn't matter who I pick because I'm so far out of it.
[01:58:58] Speaker A: True.
[01:58:58] Speaker B: I'm just gonna. Very true. I'm just gonna.
[01:59:00] Speaker A: You are a loser.
[01:59:02] Speaker B: Thank you. I'm just gonna go with my rooting interest on this one, which I've never, ever in my life rooted for Baltimore or Pittsburgh, but for the very Baltimore more than anybody, for the very first time, I'm going to root for Baltimore to win, because I just thought the Pittsburgh effort this week was so classless and so embarrassing. It was this. It was just the worst thing I've ever seen, and they deserve to lose this week.
[01:59:28] Speaker A: Yep.
I can't argue that. And next up, we got the Browns traveling to Cincinnati, which is in Kentucky. Cincinnati is in Kentucky. Get your
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And yeah, this is for. No, nothing, but they're gonna play.
So Miles Garrett's sack record, that's basically what we're going for this week.
To be fair, I've got to start with you, Bone.
[01:59:55] Speaker E: Well, I want to throw something out there. John, I don't know if you want to go. If we want to go opposite each other. Not just so we have a winner this week.
[02:00:03] Speaker A: If you guys both want to make.
[02:00:05] Speaker E: A promise to go opposite you no matter what. So I don't know if you want to go first or. Or what, but I can go first as well. Just so we have a clear.
[02:00:13] Speaker B: This is.
[02:00:13] Speaker A: This is like planning against me. I could tie them and I could actually win if I didn't think about that angle.
[02:00:20] Speaker E: I didn't think about that angle.
[02:00:21] Speaker A: This is. This is collusion.
[02:00:24] Speaker E: Okay.
[02:00:25] Speaker A: You can hang on to. I don't care.
[02:00:26] Speaker E: All right. Oh, I'll go first, then.
[02:00:28] Speaker A: Okay.
[02:00:28] Speaker E: All right, John, throw that out.
[02:00:31] Speaker D: You want me to say who I was gonna say?
[02:00:33] Speaker A: No, no. He bones going back on it. He's saying he doesn't want to do it now.
[02:00:36] Speaker E: Well, I was gonna pick the Browns, so maybe. Maybe John's not picking them Browns. I don't know. I just. I got a good feeling. I think defense is up.
[02:00:43] Speaker A: All right, we're going Browns.
[02:00:44] Speaker E: We beat them. We beat him once a year.
[02:00:47] Speaker A: What's your score?
[02:00:48] Speaker E: Oh, I gotta put a score 20 to 16.
[02:00:52] Speaker A: All right, John, who you got?
[02:00:56] Speaker D: I'm going Bengals on this one. I. I don't. I don't like tying.
And. And we're going with a score.
21, 21, 14.
[02:01:14] Speaker A: I guess I can still tie whoever comes in first, right? Because I'm one game back, and I picked opposite the first game, so.
Kenny, your pick doesn't matter.
[02:01:29] Speaker B: You want to go first.
I'm going to go Browns because I think they Pull this one, they pull a rabbit out of the hat.
Five wins keeps the Fansky around one more year.
[02:01:41] Speaker E: Oho.
[02:01:42] Speaker B: Browns. 26, 21.
[02:01:45] Speaker D: Oh.
[02:01:47] Speaker A: Oh, man.
This would be bones like third year in a row winning king of the North.
Really don't want that to happen.
[02:02:01] Speaker B: As long as you don't win. I don't really care who wins.
[02:02:05] Speaker A: I'm gonna. I'm just gonna go rooting interest because I don't to pick here. I'm going to go Browns going to get the win against Cincinnati. Split with them for the year. They were at full strength at the beginning of the year, and they still only beat us 17, 16. And our. Our team's been ass all year long, so.
[02:02:20] Speaker E: But we have fo. At that point.
[02:02:24] Speaker B: We were at full strength.
[02:02:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm gonna go Browns and I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go the exact same score as the beginning of the year, but the opposite way. I'm going 17, 16 Browns.
[02:02:36] Speaker D: Okay.
[02:02:38] Speaker A: And so this is going to come down to either.
I mean, this is going to be crazy how this finishes.
[02:02:44] Speaker B: Somebody's going to win.
[02:02:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah, somebody's. And it won't be me.
[02:02:48] Speaker A: It's either going to be a tie between me and Bone, or John's going to win this thing outright.
[02:02:52] Speaker E: Yeah.
[02:02:53] Speaker A: So. All right.
Oh, boy.
[02:02:56] Speaker B: John's just glad he's not getting the Brazilian wax.
[02:02:59] Speaker A: I'm not going to lie.
[02:03:00] Speaker D: I had this conversation with my wife earlier today. I was like, you know what? Whatever happens going into this last game, I know I'm not not getting the wax.
[02:03:06] Speaker A: So don't let him lie to you guys. He was like, I was really looking forward to that for you. He was telling his wife, it's gonna be nice for us.
[02:03:15] Speaker B: It's a late Christmas present.
[02:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
All right. So there you have it. So we'll see how king of the north kind of finishes out here. It's gonna be fun to talk about. John, you're gonna be back with us next week to. To wrap this thing up.
[02:03:28] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. I gotta collect my trophy, man. Whatever. I get to win, man. Man, I gotta collect.
[02:03:33] Speaker A: Show. Show him his. His crown.
[02:03:35] Speaker E: Really?
[02:03:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
Bones unimpressed with the crown.
[02:03:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, man.
[02:03:43] Speaker D: I've had one of those since my Burger King days, man.
[02:03:46] Speaker B: We'll fed exit to you one of these days.
[02:03:49] Speaker A: We're gonna invest in a real crown for this show.
[02:03:51] Speaker B: It won't be until I win.
[02:03:52] Speaker E: It'll be cheaper because we can take it apart and flatten it, so.
[02:03:55] Speaker D: Right.
[02:03:58] Speaker A: Maybe we'll just make a Trip down there to your neck of the woods and we'll just take you to Burger.
[02:04:03] Speaker B: King Whopper on us, John.
[02:04:09] Speaker A: All right, John, we won't take up any more of your night. We appreciate you being on and doing King of the north with us and. And like I said, we'll see you next week.
[02:04:18] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Appreciate it, guys. You take care, man. Happy New Year.
[02:04:21] Speaker A: Happy New Year.
[02:04:22] Speaker D: Yep. All right, later.
[02:04:23] Speaker A: Well, now that we finished up Kenny's favorite segment, let me remind everybody to call the Burning Sportscast hot take hotline.
Nobody's gonna leave your hot takes on the hot take highliner. Once again, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
[02:04:35] Speaker B: 3302-2780-8133-0227-808-13302, 78-1330-227808-18881.
[02:04:43] Speaker A: I forgot how we do this.
[02:04:43] Speaker B: Call now or we'll kick you in has right to Jimmy.
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[02:04:55] Speaker B: You probably won't blow big loads.
[02:04:58] Speaker A: No you won't. That'll do it for us, Kenny. What can we expect next week?
[02:05:01] Speaker B: We will be live. Live live on Sunday. Sunday, Sunday. Look for us live on YouTube, Facebook and X as we recap the Week 18 matchup against Kentucky. We should be on right around 9:30 like we always are.
[02:05:13] Speaker A: Fix this note.
[02:05:17] Speaker B: And then next Thursday we'll we'll be back. Yeah, with a regular show.
[02:05:25] Speaker A: Next Thursday we'll be doing our regular season recap and probably like a playoff preview or something.
[02:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah, and maybe some interviews. And of course the same takes over and over and over and over again. All the things you'll see for the Burning Sportscast 4.
[02:05:37] Speaker A: Yeah, and don't forget to check us out on social media. Tap Media is on Facebook X and Instagram at the Tap Media on Burning Sportscast. That's this podcast on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok and YouTube at Burning Sportscast and on X as well at the handle by Burning Bear Pod Pod. You can find our podcast wherever you each podcast talk at Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music Stitcher, Pandora radio podcast, Castro Good pods. We're number ranked football podcast. So many more reviews are the best thing that you can do to help our podcast grow. Please keep supporting and we'll continue to grow together. Tweak our formula when necessary. Keep bringing you the best Damn Cleveland Browns pod in the land. You know what that takes us to, Ken?
What kind of facts you have on us?
[02:06:26] Speaker B: Are you ready for facts?
[02:06:27] Speaker A: Whale facts?
[02:06:29] Speaker B: No.
Gonna be disappointed.
[02:06:32] Speaker A: I'm always disappointed.
[02:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I know.
Number one.
These are facts about Kentucky, by the way, since we're playing the Bengals this week.
[02:06:41] Speaker C: Nice.
[02:06:41] Speaker A: I think you did this to start the season, too. More facts about Kentucky. I like this.
[02:06:45] Speaker B: Number one. Man O War, one of the most famous horses ever. Born in Kentucky and buried there.
Never actually ran a race in the state. Loved by crowds and widely regarded as one of the greatest racehorses of all time. During his racing career, just after World War I, Man O War won 20 of 21 races for a grand total of $249,465, which is is equivalent to almost $4 million now. Bad man of War was not entered in the 1920 Kentucky Derby because his owner, Samuel Riddle, did not believe in racing at that distance. Ten furlongs, which is obviously a mile and a quarter. Kentucky Derby, so early in a young horse's career, known for his beauty, grace and power, passed away at the age of 30. His funeral was such a big deal, it was broadcast live on NBC radio in 1947. He was embalmed and buried in a casket lined with his legendary black and gold racing silks and reinterred to his final resting place in Kentucky horse Park in 1970, where his grave is marked by the iconic famous Man O War memorial statue. Incredible. Never even raced there.
[02:08:02] Speaker A: Wow.
[02:08:03] Speaker B: Number two. Number two. Kentucky Treasurer James Honest Dick.
Tape.
[02:08:13] Speaker A: What a terrible name.
[02:08:14] Speaker B: Political irony at its finest. Honest Dick, a well liked state treasurer, famously fled with nearly a quarter million dollars from the Kentucky treasury in March 1888, disappearing forever and leaving behind a massive deficit, prompting reforms and cementing his notorious nicknames. Ironic twist, he earned Honest Dick due to his previous good reputation and rapport, making the betrayal even all that more shocking. He left and never returned, taking gold, silver and paper money. He was impeached, convicted all in absentia, and never caught. Though his family did reportedly receive letters from abroad, his theft led to significant changes, including the creation of the Inspector and Examiner's office. His story today still remains a famous example of political scandal in Kentucky.
[02:09:07] Speaker A: I'm gonna give you this. Honest Dick.
[02:09:12] Speaker B: That's the name I'm gonna put in the Reddit board.
Number three.
[02:09:17] Speaker A: Come bigger loads.
[02:09:19] Speaker B: To this day, Kentucky's governors and other public officials and attorneys must swear in an oath before taking office that they have never fought a duel with deadly weapons.
The dueling clause is Rooted in Kentucky's come from.
[02:09:42] Speaker A: What's his name that. That killed Alexander Hamilton?
[02:09:45] Speaker B: Nope. But if you listen, I tell you, I was.
[02:09:48] Speaker A: I was guessing again. I've got a couple of these that way.
[02:09:50] Speaker B: So the dueling clause is rooted in Kentucky's violence, silent political history during the 1800s, when prominent figures often settled disputes over honor through duels. The clause was added to the state's constitution in 1849 and reaffirmed in the current version, the 1891 constitution, as an attempt to dissuade politically ambitious individuals from engaging in violence. The specific wording in section 228 of the Kentucky constitution reads as follows, that since the adoption of the present constitution, I, being a citizen of the state, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within the state, nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as a second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending. So help me.
[02:10:40] Speaker A: God dang. You can't even have people chat. You can't even have people duel on your behalf.
[02:10:44] Speaker B: While the practice of. No, you cannot. While the practice of dueling has long ceased in the state, the clause has remained in the constitution because amending the document is intentionally a difficult process. So literally, in the year 2025, any public official that takes the oath to serve in the state of Kentucky has to read what I just read to you to promise that they will not duel with deadly weapons.
[02:11:10] Speaker E: It's pretty cool.
[02:11:11] Speaker A: Cool.
[02:11:11] Speaker B: And that, my friends, is Kentucky's facts for days.
[02:11:14] Speaker A: I feel like some duels, but not to the death.
[02:11:16] Speaker B: Just like duels, like fisticuffs, like American gladiator style.
[02:11:21] Speaker A: Maybe that could be good for politics.
[02:11:22] Speaker B: You know, beat it out of each other.
[02:11:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Except can you imagine Donald Trump versus Joe Biden?
[02:11:29] Speaker B: I was gonna say Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. Like, what a show that would be.
[02:11:34] Speaker A: Yeah, let's not get too far into.
[02:11:35] Speaker B: That, But Dan Crenshaw just taking out old guys on the podium, and that.
[02:11:40] Speaker A: Was facts for days.
[02:11:42] Speaker E: Well, speaking of Mr. Biden.
[02:11:44] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:11:45] Speaker E: I'm going to go ahead and go to sleep.
[02:11:46] Speaker B: You sound like Mr. Biden.
[02:11:47] Speaker A: Yeah, something's getting me sleep. Sleepy bone over there.
[02:11:50] Speaker B: Sleepy Bone.
[02:11:52] Speaker E: Makes for good radio to listen to that.
All right, Bon appetit.
[02:11:57] Speaker B: Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:12:00] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
[02:12:03] Speaker B: Burning river sportscast Burning river Burning river Burn it down the sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home Grinder own nostalgia don't know that one.
[02:12:18] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:12:19] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:12:21] Speaker E: Good night, Akron.
[02:12:22] Speaker A: Quiet on set.
[02:12:23] Speaker C: I now have two loves in my life.
[02:12:27] Speaker A: Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:12:36] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:12:40] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:12:42] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:12:45] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time to time for the Burning River Sports. C. Motorboat.
[02:12:55] Speaker F: You play the motorboat?
[02:12:58] Speaker B: You motorboat.
[02:12:59] Speaker A: Son of a.
[02:13:00] Speaker B: You old seal. Are you. You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:13:03] Speaker A: What? What were you think? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts, Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:13:08] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:13:08] Speaker A: My name is Uhtred. Son of Uhtred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:13:15] Speaker B: Women's Guide to. To Anal sex and it was the second edition. Who makes second edition?
[02:13:21] Speaker E: The weather outside is weather.
[02:13:23] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh my God. My ass is full of he.
[02:13:30] Speaker C: Everywhere.
[02:13:31] Speaker E: Yes.
[02:13:32] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:13:34] Speaker E: Yes.
[02:13:35] Speaker C: Oh, no.
We suck again.
[02:13:37] Speaker E: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:13:40] Speaker C: And.
[02:13:41] Speaker B: And Jesus. And Jesus.
[02:13:42] Speaker E: That's right.
[02:13:43] Speaker A: Touchdown. Anyway.
[02:13:44] Speaker B: What do you mean funny? Funny how?
[02:13:46] Speaker C: How am I funny?
[02:13:47] Speaker A: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:13:49] Speaker B: Timber.
[02:13:52] Speaker A: Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like, like the meat pod Slow roasted.
[02:14:00] Speaker C: The leads are weak. Leads are weak.
[02:14:04] Speaker A: Leads are weak.
[02:14:06] Speaker B: Then we should send a team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon tomorrow, Mars, to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:14:15] Speaker C: No browns, baby.
[02:14:17] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:14:27] Speaker B: Wow. But damn, I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:14:34] Speaker A: You know why, mister?
[02:14:35] Speaker C: Because you drove a Hyundai to get.
[02:14:37] Speaker A: Here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:14:50] Speaker E: It's Mother Nature.
[02:14:51] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:14:53] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love to this cheese. We need cheese, girl, now.
[02:14:59] Speaker A: Sanderson down.
[02:15:02] Speaker B: Who's canceled now?
[02:15:04] Speaker C: Who's canceled now?
[02:15:05] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:15:05] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people.
[02:15:08] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:15:10] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:15:13] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger banging their salad.
[02:15:19] Speaker E: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:15:24] Speaker C: You like to see almost naked.
[02:15:26] Speaker B: That's. That's cool, man. Whatever.
[02:15:27] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no.
[02:15:32] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
[02:15:38] Speaker C: Is this not why you are here?
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