Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Type in media with a Burning River Sportscast, the end is nigh. Sunday in Phoenix featured the exciting conclusion to the entire 2022 2023 NFL campaign. As the Browns watched from their couches, two NFL heavyweights went blow for blow in a back and forth contest that went down to the wire. As the dust settled and the smoke cleared on the Kelsey Bowl. It was the Chiefs kingdom that reigned victorious, but it wasn't without its fair share of controversy. And that we will break down for you next on The Burning River Sportscast.
You all can pretend like this is the most disgusting thing you've ever seen, but I guarantee you that if Rihanna touched her dump hole and then her front butt and put her finger in front of your nose, you would love it. Objectively, molesting kids is worse because I know there's a bunch of degenerate sickos out there that would totally drink Rihanna's bathwater. I'm not trying to be like, Prude, Kenny. You sound like it prude thunder. Like, I'm not.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: That's your new name?
[00:01:31] Speaker A: Prude thunder. But this was so sexual. This was disgusting.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: 100%. Those guys were perverts.
[00:01:40] Speaker A: This will give you a four hour erection. Epstein didn't kill himself.
Welcome into the Burning River sportscast presented by Tap and Media. I am Kenny Thunder, the fattest trophy husband on this set, seated beside the man who runs the Internet's largest dateline NBCS to Catch a Predator with Chris Hansen fan club called Perverts hard on Crime, red Hot Ronnie Jams. Ronnie, why don't you take a seat right over there and tell our friends where they can listen to the age appropriate Browns podcast without needing a lawyer present.
[00:02:12] Speaker B: Why don't you take a seat?
[00:02:14] Speaker A: Take a seat right over there.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: You can find our podcast wherever you get your podcasts. That's apple podcasts spotify Stitcher. Google podcasts. Amazon Music. Pandora iHeartRadio Podcast Castro. And so many more. And first of all, let me get this off my chest. Don't you put that evil on me, because that show with what's evil?
[00:02:34] Speaker A: It's a good thing I enjoy To Catch a Predator.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: That show was OD, man. I mean, just the concept of it I'm not saying that these guys were all perverts, 100%. But the concept of a show that you basically trap someone that's not real and then you mercilessly beat the shit out of them in front of everybody.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: Like, if I called you and I was like, Ronnie, I got some TVs that I got from that fell off the Best Buy truck. And then you showed up and I was like, no, I'm the cops you're arrested.
[00:03:04] Speaker B: I'd be so mad.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: Can you go to jail for, like, grand theft?
[00:03:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I'd show up and you said, what was in the truck?
[00:03:11] Speaker A: Some TVs that fell off the best TVs.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: I was like, I was just looking for a 29 inch just to put in the basement. And here I show up thinking, oh, yeah, I'm getting a good deal. I just found it on Craigslist. No jail. Yeah, that's not right.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: Objectively, molesting kids is worse. But to your point, there were no kids actually involved.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: So it is again, I just say 100%, those guys are perverts, and I don't really feel bad for anything that happened to them. No, but at the same time, the premise of the show I have trouble grasping the whole concept.
There's a new one now. There's a new one. It's like on Netflix or somewhere that's like women it's like young girl, the two women are posing as young girls. It's like the same concept.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: Yeah, interesting theory. I just always like when Chris Hansen walks in and you start seeing the wheels turn right over here, and they're.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: Well, every time.
Then there was the one time that the senator or whatever, he was killed, so yes.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: And then that really screwed up with the whole show got canceled.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah. They realized that it was like and.
[00:04:24] Speaker A: Then Chris Hansen was caught cheating on his wife or girlfriend and real stand.
[00:04:28] Speaker B: Up guy, that guy.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: Things took a turn for the.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Put.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: But you know all this because you run the Internet's largest fan club.
[00:04:37] Speaker B: Hard on crime.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: Hard on crime.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: I will say Great name.
Anyways, wonderful story out of Northern Ontario this week. Do you see this?
[00:04:46] Speaker A: Let's hear it.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: Oh, you didn't see it? Because I didn't even tell you what it was.
[00:04:48] Speaker A: I don't know what it's about.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: So there was a five year old.
[00:04:51] Speaker A: Girl back in is this To Catch a Predator?
[00:04:54] Speaker B: No, there's a five year old girl back in 2010. Right.
[00:04:58] Speaker A: So that would make her.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: Those are some good math skills. 17 now, 1818.
So back in 2010, what was the biggest natural disaster worldwide in 2010?
[00:05:12] Speaker A: One of the biggest natural tsunami. Earthquake.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So the earthquakes in Haiti happened.
[00:05:20] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: So she wanted to give to charity back in 2010. So she took her piggy bank, her full piggy bank. It's a big pink piggy bank. There's a picture of it, of the piggy bank. You find it there's. Just a famous picture of her given her piggy bank. And they broke it open. There was $61.38 is what it amounted to. So she donated it to Haiti Relief.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: It's not a bad life savings for a ten year old.
[00:05:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a good cause, right?
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: Well, 13 years later so your math was off once again. But 13 years later now, you said she was ten, so she couldn't have been ten if she's 18 now.
She was five. I actually said it at the top of the segment. She was five.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: I got confused.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: So the five year old gave her piggy bank to Haiti Relief. 13 years later this week, she won the second largest lottery jackpot in Ontario history at Cad48 Million.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: Well, dang.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: So 13 years later, her good karma finally came back around and paid off. And yeah, she made all that 61 38 and more back.
[00:06:30] Speaker A: Man, with $48 million, I could create some really bad karma.
Yes, you could.
[00:06:38] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: Good for her.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: Yeah. So it was just kind of interesting. I saw that. I was like, oh, that's a cool story.
[00:06:44] Speaker A: Did she just win just a straight up drawing, or was it like a scratch off, super scratch off party?
[00:06:51] Speaker B: I didn't get that deep into she.
[00:06:55] Speaker A: Just won a bunch of money.
[00:06:56] Speaker B: Yeah, she won a bunch of yeah. Yeah. She did donate some, too, so that's always good.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: To Haiti?
[00:07:02] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[00:07:03] Speaker A: Well, the good news is well, it's not good news, but there's more earthquakes that she could donate that money to now.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: That's terrible.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: I wouldn't be surprised they didn't go into detail about her donations, but I wouldn't be surprised if she donated to the earthquakes that happened.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: What a stand up child. You know who really is the winner here is mom and dad.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:23] Speaker A: Because you raised a good kid.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: Good job. Good job. Way better than your parents.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: A lot of shit stains out there.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Like you like me running around, though. $48 million would just blow it all on cocaine and cards.
[00:07:35] Speaker B: Probably strippers.
[00:07:38] Speaker A: You.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: Not me.
Ronnie wants to next up, let's get into the Burning River Rundown.
All right, so I said we're going to get into the Burning River Rundown, but we're actually going to put this segment on hold right now because it was Super Bowl week, man.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: Super bowl.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: We're basically just going to talk about the Super Bowl.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: So I hope our followers are okay with that. There's really not a lot of brown stuff happening right now.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: Anyways, taking a break from the Browns.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: We'Re just going to talk about the Super Bowl. But before we get there, I do have two things to say. Two. So I'll give you one Browns related thing here.
Nick Chubb tweeted during the game and said, tired of watching. All I got to say is we feel it, and I hope to God we don't waste his entire career here.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: So it's interesting you pulled that out, because I saw that, and I think the way I read that, I was like, this guy's frustrated and wants to win. Seems like it's like a good motivation to have the rest of the world seems to have seen that and thought, this means Nick Chubb wants out of Cleveland.
[00:08:45] Speaker B: I didn't see that at just I saw exactly what you saw.
It was a guy that's hyper competitive that was watching the TV, and he's like, man, I could be doing we.
[00:08:54] Speaker A: Got to find a way to get there.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: And it was probably because he was watching what's his name running back for the Eagles. Help me out here.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: Which one? Kenneth Gainwell?
Miles Sanders.
[00:09:06] Speaker B: Miles Sanders. He was watching Miles Sanders do absolutely nothing the entire night. And he was like, I could do so much more.
[00:09:13] Speaker A: Yeah, fair.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: I mean, I'm with you. I think it was 100% just Nick Chubb saying, I just really want to be in the playoffs. I want to win.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: It was just interesting because that's how I read it. But all of a sudden, I got on social media today, and it was like, Nick Chubb demanded a trade. And I was like, what?
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Nobody said that.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: I was like, he might get traded, but I don't think this is.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: I mean, if you read that as Nick Chubb wants a just and this is coming from us you're just trying to stir controversy.
[00:09:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, we legitimately think Nick Chubb could be moved because there's value to be had. But I did not read that tweet as Nick Chubb wants out of Cleveland.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: But if he did ask for a trade, then everybody told us we were crazy, and here we are. We are. And then next up, just real quick for all you Browns fans out there rooting for the Bengals earlier in the.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: Playoffs, not these guys again, you weak fools.
[00:10:09] Speaker B: Sean Payton, the new coach of the Broncos, when asked about who he wanted to win the Super Bowl this week, said, I'm picking the Eagles. We never want anyone in our division to win anything. Thank you, Sean Payton.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: Strong words from a strong man.
[00:10:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Somebody that really understands, like, how do you root for a division rival? I still don't understand it. I know we've talked about it a lot, and we kind of had a lot of Browns fans mad at us because we're like, why would you root for the Bengals? Oh, it's Ohio's team. No, shut up.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: Yeah. It's professional sports. And there's 32 of these franchises.
[00:10:45] Speaker B: You pick one and you root for.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: I can almost understand the college component of like you want your division to do well, to show good exposure for your region and that but anymore they're building these super conferences. So your region is kind of obsolete anyway because they're just bringing in schools from all over to join whichever conference.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: I don't get that thinking, even because, one, it's not college football. So the Bengals, the Steelers, the Ravens.
[00:11:15] Speaker A: I think those two things are totally different, even if that's your school of thought is like, I want Big Ten teams to do well.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: And two, I had this argument, actually, with one, it wasn't really an argument, it was a discussion. But I had this discussion with one of our followers on Facebook, and I said I would never, ever want the team up north or anybody else in the Big Ten to win a playoff game.
[00:11:38] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:38] Speaker B: Like, yeah, sure, I want them to win in the regular season so the conference can look good and it helps us get to the playoffs. But mostly ohio State gets a playoffs. But as soon as the playoffs roll around, why would I ever want anybody else in the big Ten to win a playoff game.
[00:11:51] Speaker A: Agreed. You want the Big Ten to win every regular season game so that all of your wins matter, and then once the Big Ten championship and the playoffs roll around, I don't want any of those teams to win ever.
[00:12:01] Speaker B: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: If Ohio State is not in the Big Ten championship, I want both teams to lose.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: I hate Alabama. I don't even care if it's Alabama. If Alabama's playing the team up north in the national championship, damn straight I'm rooting for Alabama.
[00:12:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Michigan is still worse.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: Yeah. I haven't even said their name yet. I refuse. So I don't know. Smart. I don't know. Anyways, so let's get into the Super Bowl recap.
[00:12:30] Speaker A: The Super Bowl is here. It was here.
[00:12:33] Speaker B: It was here.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: Came and went.
[00:12:34] Speaker B: It came, it went. It's done. It's gone.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: This is the whole reason for the season.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: It was the whole reason for the season. And once again, we were nowhere near it.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: The browns weren't in it.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So Philadelphia got out to a hot start in this one, took a ten point lead in the locker room at halftime, but the Chiefs came storming back and scored on every possession they got in the second half, including a game winning field goal with 8 seconds left. So let's just go ahead and break this down, and we'll start with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Let's start with their offense. Jalen Hurts, 27 of 38, 304 yards a touchdown, no interceptions, 15 carries for 70 yards. A little bit short of your 100 yard projection. Three touchdowns, though. But he did have one lost fumble that happened to be returned for a touchdown.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: The lost fumble.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Devastating.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: That was devastating.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: Absolutely devastating.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Because he didn't even get hit. I mean, he just put it on the ground.
[00:13:23] Speaker B: No, here's the deal. Let's be honest here. I think, and you texted me this, I'll give you all the credit on this one for this thought was you said, this is a coming out party for Jalen Hurts for most people, because not a lot know, I didn't watch a lot of Eagles games all year long. I kept hearing Jalen Hurts his name.
And I was kind of like it's. Jalen Hurts. Yeah.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Okay, well, you pay attention more than most.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And I was like, I didn't think anything like, he's overrated necessarily. It was more like just having play. He's having a good season. Okay.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, my whole thing was just like, for people, the casual fan that tunes in for the commercials on the Super Bowl, all of a sudden you're watching some young guy go out there, some young guy, and he was super impressive. I mean, you're like so people like my mom who enjoy sports but don't follow anything outside of the Browns that closely. That was the first time that she had seen on national TV. Jalen Hurts in a big moment. I mean, he afforded himself outside of the fumble, which was odd, afford himself really well. I mean, he played a good game. He threw the ball well. He was the leading rusher, even though he didn't get to 100 yards. He had three rushing touchdowns, which is a Super Bowl record.
[00:14:35] Speaker B: He's had several Super Bowl records. Unfortunately, it was in a loss, but he played very well. And I will say this, Jalen Hurts, his demeanor is just impressive to watch out there, because even after the fumble, he came back out and it was like nothing happened.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: And they went right back to him. They went back to him on a quarterback lead and let him run the ball face.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: It reminded me of Nick Chubb, but with just like a little bit more I don't want to say flair, but you'll see him crack a smile every once in a while, whereas Nick Chubb's just dead stone faced the entire time.
[00:15:11] Speaker A: Yeah, he's an impressive guy. I mean, he's a very mature young.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: Man, but I think he knows his circumstances. As far as know, I had to leave Alabama, go to Oklahoma, and then he's been around.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: He's benched a national championship game.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: Yeah, all kinds of stuff has happened to this young man, and he's really just kind of just taken it in stride and said, that's fine. I know what I'm about, and I'm going to come back stronger, and I'm going to be mean.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: He's just he was very impressive. There was one other instance where his maturity really stuck out was when I don't know if Nick Siriani was going to give the bird or what, but when they went up, I think ten points, Siriani started shouting at the sideline, and Jalen Hurts kind of came over and was like, Coach, no, it's not time for that.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: I like Nick, sirianni. He's a fiery guy. Mount union guy. He's got crazy eyes, mount Union guy.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: He's a funny case study, too, because when you go back to the initial press conference, when they introduced Nick Sirianni, and he just was absolutely just totally he sounded like Joe Biden talking. You couldn't understand anything that he was saying. None of his points made sense. They just kind of all interlooped. And that week following that, all of Philadelphia, I mean, you know, Philly Media and Philly people, they just don't have time for that. They wanted this guy fired. After his press conference, they were like, this guy's the worst coach ever.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: He lasted less than a week.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: And then you get two years in you're in the Super Bowl.
[00:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And I will say, Nick Sirianni, in case anyone does not pay attention to know, our podcast, obviously, is based out of Northeast Ohio. We follow the browns. We Dabble every once in a while on some other local A. I mentioned he's a Mount Union guy, and if you've ever watched Mount Union play football, I mean, you can see that in his they're, they're the team that they hardly ever punt. They just say, no, we're just going to go for it every fourth down because we're pretty confident that if you give us four downs, we can get the first down.
And he operated that way the entire season and straight into the Super Bowl.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: I like a lot about what I saw during that game and other games that I watched then this year, just the aggressive nature of it. It feels like Kevin Stefanski goes forward on fourth down just because he's like.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: It feels like Nick Sirianni has a plan.
[00:17:25] Speaker A: Nick Sirianni was very methodical because you noticed there was the drive where they were midfield field and it was fourth and five or the third down. They ran the ball and it was fourth and five. And that was because they knew they were going to go for it on fourth down because they were kind of in that no man's land. But then six plays later they end up in the red zone and there's 20 seconds on a play clock and everybody in my household is going they're just going to go for it again. That's what they do, right? That's what this guy does. And I was like, I don't think this guy's, he's playing 4D chess. And they ran the hard count and they got on the jump off side, you get a first down.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: They got him twice. Yeah, they got them twice on third and four or fourth and four in the game.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: But it's because they use that early on and so everybody in the room thinks they're going for it well, and.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: Then they have a very unique formation for their QB sneaks to where everybody comes in. And one, I'm pretty sure that's illegal to push the quarterback from behind, but.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: Anyways, it absolutely used to be and I don't know how they get around what the rule technically says now, but it really isn't a Jalen Hurts sneak, it's a Jalen Hurts gets the ball and everybody behind him pushes.
[00:18:27] Speaker B: All three running backs that you put in the backfield pushes back.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: Very effective.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Yeah, they do something that which they finally caught onto it. Kansas City finally caught onto it later in the game and the guy tried to go high, but if you watch all of their linemen, they're almost like just cut blocks and Jalen Hurts just dives over top of everybody. They caught onto it and they tried to stop it. And Jalen Hurts is so big and strong that he said, that's fine, I'll just drag you for three yards.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's the only thing, speaking of Jalen Hurts, just the physicality, that's the only thing that I look at when I watch him play that I'm like does that potentially shorten your shelf life? Because he's a physical, physical player, but he's also not a little guy. He's a big, strong kid that's true.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: But he's a physical player that doesn't avoid contact and it doesn't matter how big you are. That always catches up to guys in the NFL.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: I mean, look at one hit wonder for the Browns. Here Peyton Hillis.
[00:19:28] Speaker A: He tried to jump over him.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, for the most part he saw if there was one guy in his way, he was running that dude over.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: Agreed. I mean, I think if you compare him to Lamar Jackson, lamar is grace and finesse and speed. Jalen is I have all those qualities. But if you're in front of me.
[00:19:45] Speaker B: I'm also bigger and stronger.
[00:19:46] Speaker A: I'm going to run you over.
[00:19:47] Speaker B: That's why I use Peyton Hillis was just because Peyton Hillis was like the biggest.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:52] Speaker B: And that was all he did. And even though he was that big, he didn't last very long because it breaks you down no matter what.
[00:19:58] Speaker A: I don't know we ever came back to Peyton Hillis from earlier in the season, but he's doing great. He's doing better.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Yeah, we did. We covered it the following week. Instead he was out of the ICU.
[00:20:06] Speaker A: Gotcha.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Good job, Peyton Hillis. Way to save your kids.
No, but one thing I did want to say, the fumble for Jalen Hurts. JJ. Watt had a really good tweet when that happened. He tweeted out and said, script writers in their bag with that one hashtag Super Bowl.
[00:20:22] Speaker A: The script writing thing is getting out of funny, but it's just like everything that happens now, it's like, was that in the script?
[00:20:28] Speaker B: Yeah. My only other knock on Jalen Hurts for the game was, what the hell was that? Hail Mary at the end of the game. That was like the worst throw I've ever seen. I probably could have thrown it further.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: The only thing that I could figure is when you watch that playback, he had dropped back. He kind of had all day to throw. And then all of a sudden, Kansas City rushed two guys on both sides. And so I think he was like setting up to just throw it as hard as he could. And then all of a sudden he was like, oh, crap, I got to get rid of this. Is it. Like I got to get rid of the ball.
[00:20:55] Speaker B: That's fair.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: But agreed. It was the worst throw I've ever seen.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: I was like, you're this good at quarterbacking and that was your throw.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: It was like a Brandon Whedon throw.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it was bad.
The running backs on their team didn't really do much in this one. Couldn't really get their running game.
[00:21:13] Speaker A: And Jalen Hurts was their leading rusher. It was working.
[00:21:17] Speaker B: So they just stuck with it.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, he had a hell of a day throwing the ball, which is the strength of that offense, is these receivers we're going to talk about.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So. Devante Smith. Seven catches, 100 yards. I should have actually had one more catch on the sideline. I have no idea how they overturned that. I know there was, quote, unquote, movement, but he had full control of the ball.
It's allowed to touch the ground. It's 2023.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: We've got to figure out what we.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: Still don't know what a damn catch.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Is, because I agree. That was absolutely a catch.
[00:21:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Later on, Goddard's, like, fumbling with the ball while he's catching it and drags a foot, and they're like, yeah, that's good. We'll give it to him. Yeah.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Out of the two, the Devante Smith catch was a catch. And I agree. Godz was questionable. Yeah.
[00:22:02] Speaker B: I don't know. So good game from Devante Smith. Could have been even bigger. AJ. Brown, six catches, 96 yards, a touchdown on the bomb in the first quarter. That was impressive.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: I mean, both of those guys just together, though, I mean, what a combination of weapons to have. And then you start sprinkling in some of those other guys that are role players.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: Dallas Goddard, six catches, 60 yards.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: He was actually the one that I was the most impressed with. And I know he didn't have a huge stat line, but the dude caught everything. He was like, I'm not dropping a ball today. You could see that, the termination just in his face. And every time he cut the ball.
[00:22:32] Speaker B: And there's people draped all over him.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, he made some miraculous catches for a big Oofy white guy.
He was incredible.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: And then next up here so that was their offense. Pretty impressive day for the Eagles. Next up, we got the special teams. Jake Elliott, two for two field goals, three for three extra points.
And then their defense. No sacks. Couldn't really get a lot of pressure going, couldn't slow down Kansas City, which is weird that they couldn't get any pressure with Patrick Mahomes and his high ankle sprain.
[00:23:02] Speaker A: Not in the script.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: Not in the script. And then James Bradbury with the holding call at the end. So let's talk about this real quick.
[00:23:08] Speaker A: Are we going to talk about this right now?
[00:23:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: Do you want to save it for after we go through?
We can talk about okay.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: Was it a penalty?
[00:23:18] Speaker A: No.
Look, I think he came out today and said, hey, grab some.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: Came out right after the game.
He actually said, I didn't just grab him once. I grabbed him twice.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's still you have for all of NFL history, there's been that buffer area inside of a couple of yards. Guys are hand fighting.
He didn't stop him from running his route. No, he was just trying to stay with him. So it's not unusual for a defensive back to have hands on a guy. True. I don't think that that play gets called nine times out of ten.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: I would 100% agree with you. So here is my problem with the whole thing. Do I think it was a foul? Yes. I think it was a foul by definition of what a holding penalty is for a defensive back.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: But it's like you could say.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: You.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: Could call holding on any play in the NFL if you wanted to.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: Listen, let me finish. Was it by definition a penalty? Yes.
Should that have been called? Absolutely not.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Like you said, not at that point in the game.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: Nine times out of ten, it's not called anyways, and especially not at that point in the game. Because here's the facts. That was a phenomenal Super Bowl.
[00:24:35] Speaker A: It was great.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: It was an awesome Super Bowl. And to have it come down to that ticky tack of a penalty was just so disappointing. Yeah, it was just so disappointing. And I don't care that he held him a little bit. Like, he didn't reroute him, he didn't slow him down, like I said, even if by definition he did grab his jersey, he did not do anything to change the trajectory of the route.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: And that's why I say it's not even really a penalty, because Ms. Schuster was that who ran the route. So he ran an in cut and then did the old backdoor turn to run the wheel.
So just by the nature of just that route alone, he had to cross in front of him. So there was going to be contact on that route once he rerouted himself.
But as you said, to have the game end on a penalty felt really bad. It was like you're watching this awesome heavyweight fight, you have two of the best teams in the entire league, and they're right where they need to be.
[00:25:44] Speaker B: The craziest part about this penalty was on Chiefs radio all week long.
I can't think of the ref's name off the top of my head. That ref, so you can look that up while I'm talking. But that ref on Chiefs radio. They were terrified all week long because apparently there's been some history with him costing them games because of bad calls at the end of games and fast forward, and here we are, he basically handed them the Super Bowl. So, I mean, it's just OD how it kind of turned around.
But yeah, the fact that that ref, specifically there was a concern that he would make a game altering call and then he did. It is probably concerning this after Goodell said it's the best officiating that there's ever been in the NFL.
[00:26:33] Speaker A: Yeah, Goodell came out this week and said this was as good as NFL officiating has ever been. And then you literally had that ruin one of the best games in NFL in recent memory. I mean, just impeccable timing. If this game had ended any other way, this would have gone down probably as one of the most memorable Super Bowl games ever to watch. It was a fun game because think.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: About it, they would have kicked the field goal anyways. That's fine. They would have been up by three. Yeah, except the Eagles would have had about a minute 40 left. No timeouts with no timeouts for Jalen Hurts, who's been on fire pretty much the whole game minus the fumble, to just go and win it.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: I think that's what everybody wanted, right? Everybody wanted Jalen Hurts to go down and at least get the field goal, because I think everybody would have wanted that game just to go on as long as possible. Let's do overtime.
[00:27:19] Speaker B: Throw a duck.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: Let's do overtime, because this game is too much fun to stop watching. And then, man, they just ruined it. It was like finishing a good meal and you order a New York cheesecake and they just bring a big old turd out and they're like, here you go.
[00:27:35] Speaker B: Always feels bad.
[00:27:36] Speaker A: Finish this off.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that feels bad. Anyways, let's go ahead and head over to the Kansas City side of things.
On offense, you got Patrick Mahomes, obviously 21 to 27, 182 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions, six rushes for 44 yards, including probably one of the grittiest runs I've ever seen in my entire life. When he had that long run when was that? Third quarter, I think. Went right in the middle of the comeback. And you could tell, like, he could hardly run. He looked like he was going to fall over.
[00:28:07] Speaker A: And he had the one that kind of iced it there on the last drive.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: Yeah, so there was a few of them, but it was just impressive because you could tell he was in a lot of pain.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, I think this performance wasn't your typical Patrick Mahomes night. It wasn't a bad night, statistically, but it wasn't a great night.
[00:28:27] Speaker B: No, you're used to him throwing for like, 300 yards.
He did get his three touchdowns.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: Like jalen hurts had Patrick Mahomes tonight.
The one thing I would say about Patrick Mahomes, and you said it already, was gritty. I mean, it was a gritty, gritty performance. He threw three touchdowns. He didn't throw for a ton of.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: Yards, which is ironic because Jalen Hurts was hitting the.
[00:28:49] Speaker A: Know. And to do that on the high ankle sprain I mean, look, Ryan, I have talked about the high ankle sprain for weeks and for all year long, about just one of the worst injuries for a contact sport, a player in.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: A contact sport, because it's not a normal ankle sprain. What people don't understand is, like, up on your leg. It's literally like a ligament or a tendon or whatever that is up on your leg, like mid shin, basically on the side.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: It just affects everything you do.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: That barely any movement flexion in your foot.
You feel it. It's not like an ankle where it's like right on the joint. And the ligaments are all super stretchy anyway, so they kind of go back into place pretty quick.
[00:29:30] Speaker A: And it's a pain with everything that you do, and it's impossible to heal it without just not moving your leg.
[00:29:37] Speaker B: Yeah. You literally just put yourself in an.
[00:29:39] Speaker A: Aircast and don't do anything. I'm sure that they have all the best drugs, all the best legal drugs.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: That's what I said last week. That's why Patrick Mahomes went into halftime. Cortisol second half, he came back, brought him back from ten. And the Kansas City Chiefs won a Super Bowl.
[00:29:54] Speaker A: Won a bourbon bowl. Yeah.
[00:29:55] Speaker B: Super Bowl MVP, by the way.
[00:29:57] Speaker A: I'm sure they were juicing him up with anything that is a legal painkiller, but it still doesn't dole it entirely.
[00:30:04] Speaker B: I just want to talk about this for a second. They mean to tell me that steroids are illegal in football, yet you can go in at halftime and literally take a syringe with a two and a half inch needle, just push that right into their body and shoot painkillers directly into the injury.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: This will numb your leg for 3 hours.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that's okay.
That's not, quote unquote, performance enhancing yet. Steroids.
[00:30:30] Speaker A: Well, okay. I don't want to go down this rabbit hole. No, we don't.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: This is a long conversation, but it's.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: Just a quick thought to your point.
It just goes to the misconception about what steroids actually do. People think you put steroids into your body and instantly you become you're the Hawk, you're the Hawk, you're Barry Bonds, you're Arnold Torch. And then you're like, that doesn't make you Barry Bonds.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: 15 years to grow his head in ten sizes.
[00:30:53] Speaker A: It doesn't make you a better athlete. It helps you recover faster. So just like the stuff they gave Patrick Mahomes at halftime to help him recover enough to get on the field, the end result is essentially the same, but one's legal and one's frowned upon.
[00:31:07] Speaker B: I'm not even taking a stance here. Like you want to make steroids illegal. Fine. They already are. We'll make these painkillers illegal, too. Why is it okay for how is.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: That not that up? How is that not a performance enhancer?
[00:31:19] Speaker B: The Eagles caught a break. He got hurt again. Well, not anymore.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: No, our drugs are too good synthetically. We can fix them for a couple hours.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Yep. So, anyways, I digress. I'm moving on here. Patrick Mahomes was a Super Bowl MVP as well, so good on him.
[00:31:34] Speaker A: Impressive game.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: Isaiah Pacheco.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: And he was the first Super Bowl MVP.
[00:31:41] Speaker B: Don't ruin that. Don't ruin that.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: Okay. We can't talk about it here.
[00:31:44] Speaker B: Don't ruin that.
[00:31:45] Speaker A: We don't talk about that on the Burning of Sports Guest.
[00:31:47] Speaker B: Not yet we don't. Isaiah Pacheco, 15 rushes, 76 yards in a touchdown. Good game for him. Travis Kelsey, six catches, 81 yards in a touchdown. So Kelsey going to kelsey. I don't know what else to say. Yeah, I mean, he just always shows up. How is that guy so open?
[00:32:04] Speaker A: That's the question.
[00:32:05] Speaker B: You watch him and I'm not like, he's super fast. He's super physical. He's the best route runner of all. Like, you don't think any of these things. Not that he's bad at any of those things, but you don't think any of those things yet. That guy is always not just open, wide open.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: Why is there not someone who signs to him at all times?
[00:32:24] Speaker B: Probably two people, I don't care, whatever. You could probably give up some plays to a running back if you're covering Travis Kelsey.
[00:32:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, he is amazing.
And that was a fun storyline all week long with the brothers and his parents and the shoes and all stuff.
[00:32:42] Speaker B: Did you see what they said, midfield to each other?
[00:32:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: Travis Kelsey would and he was like, hey, good game, we won. Whatever. And Jason Kelsey says, Fuck you. Congratulations.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: That's what would have happened if it were us.
You, budy. But good job.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: Yeah, my team would won, of course.
It was pretty impressive. Out of Travis Kelsey, you put him and David and Joku next to each other. You just tell me who's the better tight end.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: Well, right. Yeah, I mean and Joku is a Greek god.
Travis Kelsey is a dirty boy from Cleveland Heights.
[00:33:17] Speaker B: Well, just so you know, the answer is Travis Kelsey, ten out of ten.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: Oh. I mean, certified hall of Famer. He's a guy that's going to be.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: Sorry, moving on here, Juju Smith Schuster. Seven catches, 53 yards, decent game out of him.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: Got to be key moments and got to just be one of the luckiest, happiest guys on the planet right now to end up out of Pittsburgh in the mess that was there and end up now with a Super Bowl ring.
[00:33:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And then these next two guys, Cadarius, they have a very similar stat line.
So Cadarius receiving wise. Anyways, Cadarius Tony, one catch, five yards, one touchdown. Sky Moore, one catch, four yards, one touchdown. In case anyone wasn't paying attention, this was the same play, the exact same play, like, less than two minutes apart. I don't know if it was that close, but it was literally like back to back drives.
[00:34:05] Speaker A: It was so much the same play that I just thought it was the same guy again. I didn't even realize it was Sky Moore at first. I was like, Tony is out.
[00:34:11] Speaker B: So and then to add on to Cadarius Tony's day, special teams for the Chiefs here. Well, real quick, Harrison Bucker, one for two on field goals. He doinked one, which gave what was the competition they had going? If one got doinked, like somebody was giving away a bunch of free stuff, I forget what it was, but all of America won, like free food from somewhere or something, I don't know. But he was five or five extra points. But Cadarius Tony 65 yard punt return. Longest in Super Bowl history.
And can I just say this, the Chiefs got a total steal on Cadarius Tony. They got him for a 2023 3rd round compensatory pick and a 2023 six round pick, and in the Super Bowl, he scored a touchdown and set up another one with one of the biggest plays of the entire game.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: He almost scored two touchdowns back to.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: Back because for all intents and purposes, returned that way. He returned it for a touchdown.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:05] Speaker B: The Chiefs first and goal at the five, and they're going to score almost every time.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: And it was one of those that I think if you had talked to Kansas City fans during the season after the move was made, there wasn't a lot of positivity because he couldn't find the field. He was hurt when they traded for.
[00:35:22] Speaker B: Was that was the whole reason the Giants gave up on him. He was always hurt.
[00:35:26] Speaker A: And so for him to come through in the Super Bowl and show you like, hey, I can play, was huge.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: For mean this is why Kansas City stays good is because they find guys like this where know a team gave up on him or whatever the case may be, and they bring him in, and all of a sudden he lives up to his full even. The crazy thing about Cadarius Tony is I don't even think he's there yet.
[00:35:49] Speaker A: Oh, no, he hasn't played hardly at all.
[00:35:52] Speaker B: He's a great receiver.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: I know we bickered last week about him, whether he was injured or not, and he was on the injury report literally until the day before the Super Bowl. He didn't practice.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: I told you he was fine until.
[00:36:03] Speaker A: The walkthrough of the game.
[00:36:04] Speaker B: I told you he was fine. What was the final injury report? The final injury report was there were.
[00:36:10] Speaker A: No injuries, no injuries, but he was injured literally up until the day of.
[00:36:15] Speaker B: The game, he was fine.
Anyways, moving on to the defense here for them, two sacks, one fumble recovery for a touchdown. That was Nick Bolton that returned that one. When Jalen hurts dropped. It so unfortunate. Again for Jalen hurts. We talked about how well he played, and it literally just slipped out of his just such a bizarre but Nick Bolton scooped it up and ran it back for a touchdown. So, yeah, good job.
[00:36:38] Speaker A: All in all, just it was a fun game up until the last minute and 50.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Lots of big stats, high scoring game, like we both kind of thought it would be. You said it would be a little bit higher than I did. Yours was almost spot on. What was your score prediction?
[00:36:49] Speaker A: Well, if the refs hadn't screwed me there, it might have been my score prediction.
[00:36:55] Speaker B: I don't even remember what mine was. I think I might have had somebody in the don't know.
[00:36:58] Speaker A: I think you were 35 24 and I was 41 38.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Yeah, but just fun game.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: It was everything that you hope the Super Bowl would be. Yeah, for when your team's not there. I mean, to have an entertaining game and players you can root for championship game was not.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: Yes, we went from the worst college national championship game of all time to one of the better Super Bowls.
[00:37:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a good game, but.
[00:37:28] Speaker B: Yeah, we're going to step away from the Super Bowl for just 1 second. We'll be right back here to kind of talk about some of the storylines coming out of that Super Bowl right now. I want to remind you guys about the Burning River Sportscast hot take.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Hotline. Hot take hotline.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: Make sure you call us. Talk to us about anything. Tell us about your thoughts on the Browns Cavs Guardians Super Bowl playoffs free agency draft coming up, that we have no picks in.
[00:37:55] Speaker A: Here's something to think about. You just watched the Super Bowl.
What do you think the Browns chances of ever making it to that game are?
[00:38:03] Speaker B: Yeah, let us know. We want to know what your takes are and if they're any good whatsoever, we're going to throw them on air and we're going to talk about them. We'll probably make fun of you a little bit because you made fun of us, most likely.
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[00:38:21] Speaker B: All right, so again, that's it for Super Bowl 57. Let's take a quick revenue break and then come back and talk about some stories that came out of this Super Bowl playoffs.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: Don't talk about it. Playoffs? You kidding me. Playoffs.
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[00:39:21] Speaker A: Did you have any topath at the Super Bowl?
[00:39:23] Speaker B: I did, yeah. I was sipping on some of the bourbon. Just had it neat.
[00:39:27] Speaker A: Also had the bourbon.
[00:39:29] Speaker B: Which one?
[00:39:30] Speaker A: Bourbon bowl. Just the regular bourbon.
[00:39:32] Speaker B: The regular bourbon. It's a good everyday bourbon.
[00:39:35] Speaker A: Good sipper.
Just good? Just good. Look, the Super Bowl, it was good, man.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: Strong words from a strong man.
All right, so let's get into the Super Bowl deep dive.
[00:39:58] Speaker A: I didn't want to oversell. I didn't want to oversell it. It was good. I don't want to be like, this will give you a four hour erection.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: What are you talking about right now?
What are you talking about?
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Never mind. Just do the show.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: All right, so, yeah, let's take a look at some of the storylines with the Super Bowl that came out of the Super Bowl, happened during the Super Bowl, all that stuff. So let's start with Philly. And I know you've got a lot to say about Philly, so I'm going to let you take this point here.
[00:40:34] Speaker A: Look, the biggest thing to me that just gives me great joy is because Philly is just such a scumbag city.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: They killed hitchBOT.
[00:40:41] Speaker A: We talked about them killing hitchBOT. We talked about them.
[00:40:44] Speaker B: There was a denier out, though. That guy said that they never killed hitchBOT.
[00:40:47] Speaker A: He thinks we're the illuminati. They killed hitchBOT. They throw snowballs at Santa Claus.
And to add to this now, just so you know that they are a bunch of miserable Sobs. They booed Dak Prescott for winning Walter Payton Man of the Year. Just because he's from Dallas, just because.
[00:41:03] Speaker B: He'S a division rival.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: Wasn't even a football thing.
[00:41:06] Speaker B: I will tell them, though, unlike some Browns fans, they understand that everything that your division rivals do is bad.
[00:41:12] Speaker A: It wasn't a sports thing. It's like a charitable donation.
[00:41:16] Speaker B: I mean, I agree with actually, I would say this. If Joey B won Walter Payton Man of the year, I would cheer.
[00:41:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I wouldn't be like you, Joey B. I take it back.
[00:41:25] Speaker B: I instantly regret what I said.
[00:41:26] Speaker A: Good job for being an important member of your community. So that's just how low the city of Philadelphia is.
I think they do have an airport, though.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: Sorry, Cynthia.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: Just the fact, though, that Philadelphia has now lost the Super Bowl, the Phillies lost the World Series.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: And the Philadelphia Union lost the MLS title, all in the last 99 days.
[00:41:55] Speaker B: You know a fun fact?
[00:41:57] Speaker A: What's that? I love fun facts. I do.
[00:42:00] Speaker B: One of my friends that I grew up with that went to Mount Union with me is the strength trainer for the Philadelphia Union.
[00:42:06] Speaker A: Well f him. He lost the MLS title.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: He's a failure. They lost.
Sorry, Joey.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: Because Cleveland is such a damned sports town to begin with. So when someone else feels just the wrath of the sports gods, just all in a 99 day period, man, that gives me great joy.
[00:42:26] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I can't argue with that.
[00:42:29] Speaker A: And look, I picked Philly to win.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: The wrath of the sports gods all the time.
[00:42:33] Speaker A: I thought Philly was going to win the game. I thought they truly were the better.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: Team, but you seem pretty ecstatic that they didn't.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: But I don't like Philly as a city. I think once you kill hitchBOT, there's no coming back from that.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true.
Damn. Randall Cunningham.
Oh, it wasn't him. It was just a guy in his jersey.
[00:42:53] Speaker A: It's just a guy in his jersey.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: All right, so next up, Patrick Mahomes.
Dude, I think we've got to seriously start talking about this guy. Is he on like a projection? Like, is are we going to have the goat conversation pretty much his entire career from this point?
[00:43:09] Speaker A: I think you're going to have to. They talked about it last night directly after the game. They said, does this make you a dynasty? I went to two in four years.
And he said, well, Tom Brady went to ten and won seven of them, so unless I win eight of eleven, I don't know that we're a dynasty.
[00:43:26] Speaker B: But probably the best answer you can.
[00:43:28] Speaker A: But the fact that that's in his mind, that's a goal for him now, I think he's going to have to be. And I think as long I think the thing is it's a matter of how long Andy Reid will coach.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: What have they been to now, like four or five, or is that conference championships?
[00:43:45] Speaker A: It was five conference championships, right?
[00:43:47] Speaker B: Yeah. So I think it might be four or five Super Bowls or three or five or whatever it is.
[00:43:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I just think that it's so much dependent on Andy Reid. I thought what was really interesting this week was when they had talked to Patrick Mahomes. I don't remember if it was Carissa what's her face or Aaron Andrews that did the interview.
[00:44:06] Speaker B: Carissa What's Her face? Is that a technical term?
[00:44:08] Speaker A: God, I can't remember her last name, but I think she did Thursday football all year long, and man, they were just both dressed to the T all day yesterday. Excellent job, ladies.
And I thought it was super interesting. They kind of asked Patrick about his relationship with Andy Reed and what makes them special, and his answer pretty much was like, hey, look, I came out of college and didn't know anything about football.
I knew how to be competitive, and I knew how to will my way to do anything that I'm asked. Andy Reid taught me to be a man. He taught me how to play football. He taught me to understand football, how to be a leader, to have someone his age kind of step back and go, I owe this man everything I thought was a very mature standpoint. So I think Andy Reid truly is the brains of this operation.
[00:45:04] Speaker B: Right.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: I mean, you lose a guy three.
[00:45:05] Speaker B: Or four, by the way, you lose.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: A guy like Tyree Kill, and he's not even missed, you have more 20 yard plays. Yeah, you stole that one from me. Thank you. You have more points and stuff on the year. So I think everybody kind of when that trade went down, it was like, oh, gosh, what are they going to do? And they didn't miss a beat.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: They just got better.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Put a bunch of guys you never heard of in the game, and it was fine.
[00:45:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
We'll talk about the Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes kind of duo here in a minute. But Patrick Mahomes in 2022, you tried to steal it earlier, but he won regular season MVP. He won Super Bowl MVP, he led the NFL in passing touchdowns, and he led the NFL in passing yards. We talked know we're going to have the goat conversation. His entire career. Only three players have done all four of those things in their entire careers.
Entire careers. Those three players, tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner. Patrick Mahomes just did that in one season.
[00:46:06] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, even with those other guys on that list, none of them did it in the same season.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: Other than they achieved all of those statistical categories at some point or another. But it was never in the same.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: Mean, not even just the passing touchdowns, just the fact that they won the regular season MVP award and then Super Bowl MVP in the same season. The last person to do that was Kurt Warner. Yeah, which is crazy when you think about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning's careers.
[00:46:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:46:34] Speaker A: But look, this kid's special, I hate to say.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: It. He got the dreaded high ankle sprain. It's terrible. It's a hard injury for quarterbacks, especially mobile quarterbacks like him and didn't phase him. He's fine.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: And you just wonder what that like. What's that X factor that allows somebody like like Bret Favre was very much the same way. I know Bret Favre's name is mud now with all the stuff going on, but the guy broke his thumb and then through for 400 yards the night his dad died.
Just the fact that pain doesn't bother some of these guys and then some.
[00:47:12] Speaker B: Of these guys bret Farville trash bag right now. That was one of the most impressive things I ever saw.
[00:47:16] Speaker A: And then you watch a career of a guy that's like super talented, like a Sam Bradford, that comes out with all these expectations and he's hurt on every other the. What is the difference between a guy like Pat Mahomes and a guy like Sam Bradford just built different just the genetically what is that? And can we isolate that and give it to people?
[00:47:35] Speaker B: I don't know.
And we're talking about this, and we mentioned Jalen Hurts earlier and his physique and kind of how he's built and everything. And you look at these two guys and you tell me who's the better mean and you didn't know anything else. Most people were picking Jalen Hurts because Patrick Mahomes isn't that impressive physically?
[00:47:55] Speaker A: No, he is impressive physically because he's big and he's strong, but in a different way than Jalen Hurts. Jalen hurts. Looks like Thor right.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: That's what saying. So that's my point.
And yet I can almost guarantee you that Patrick Mahomes is going to have a longer, more successful career. Oh, yeah, I mean, he's definitely going to have a more successful career. Jalen Hurts might be above average the rest of his career and he still could not I think Jalen Hurts, the.
[00:48:21] Speaker A: Eagles could be right there in the Super Bowl again next year. And he could win a Super Bowl. He could win two Super Bowls. Three Super Bowls in his time. But when the numbers are said and done, patrick Mahomes will have played longer and probably have better.
[00:48:33] Speaker B: That actually brings up a good point about them being back next year. I'm not so sure people forget how hard it is. I know we're talking about the Kansas City Chiefs and they keep going because they're borderline of Dynasty at. The people get to the championship all the time and then they don't get back for quite a while.
[00:48:52] Speaker A: Agreed.
But I think the difference is do you have your quarterback and do you have the root coach? Because when the Eagles won the last time around, carson Wentz was their starter for the season. Nick Foles won them in the Super Bowl and Doug Peterson was there and then everything went to hell in a handbasket after Nick Foles wasn't your franchise quarterback.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: But to contrast that so I get what you're saying, but at the same time you think of John Elway.
Was it his second season in the league? They had a great team, great coaching, great. Everything went to the Super Bowl, he lost, and there's all these rumors that he wasn't even phased because he's like, we're going back, we're going to win.
Yeah, he never made it fair.
[00:49:38] Speaker A: I think there's a lot of circumstances there.
[00:49:42] Speaker B: I'm just saying Jalen Hurts isn't a lock to get back.
[00:49:45] Speaker A: No, no, I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying that even if he did, I think he could have a really decorated career and Patrick Mahomes still has a better quarterback career by the time it's said and done. That's all I'm saying.
[00:49:55] Speaker B: Yeah, sorry, I got sidetracked there with Jalen Hurts for a second. We're talking about the Kansas City Chiefs mostly at this point.
So they've officially been installed as the Super Bowl, 58 favorites. And just how my question is I just don't understand how they continue to do it every year. And we've talked about it. I mean, they got rid of Tyreek, like you said. They got better somehow with a bunch of people that you've never heard of, including Pacheco. Like, nothing against Pacheco, but you would have told me he would have had the season he had. I would have told you're absolutely insane.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: Sky Moore wasn't on my draft board.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: I don't know. Just doesn't make any sense. So I guess my question here is are Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes the new Tom Brady and Bill Belichick?
And we've talked about a little bit already, but I mean, have they taken that mantle? Can you put them in the same category at this point or is it going to take a lot more in order to get them there?
[00:50:45] Speaker A: For me personally, I think if they win one more, then they are there.
[00:50:48] Speaker B: Then you start having serious you win.
[00:50:50] Speaker A: Three out of five. I think you're kind of in that conversation for Dynasty because that is just the sustainability of greatness and success. And so I think they're right there. I mean, clearly best team in the league right now. They've won a Super Bowl and everything that they've done from the start of the year to now has been impressive because there were a lot of people now. It's not like Kansas City was projected to be bad this year. I know Travis Kelsey got up and was like, nobody said Kansas City was any good anymore. And I was like, well, to his point, though, there were people that thought.
[00:51:25] Speaker B: Since when Tyreek left, nobody was like, so many people took them off of their number one super bowl.
[00:51:31] Speaker A: But when you have the best quarterback in the league and don't think no.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: I don't think anybody came out. Like, they don't got a shot. I think everybody came out and said, I think their chances took a significant hit.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: I think you always have a shot. But just the fact that, like you said, they rebounded from that, and then they just got better.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: They didn't even just rebound. They got better somehow. It doesn't make sense. Like, how did Patrick Mahomes have an even better season without Tyree?
[00:51:55] Speaker A: And here's what I think is scary. I think that the fact now that they've won two out of four, and this is starting to be the conversation. Andy Reid, Pat Mahomes, that's the kind of thing that attracts talent and free agency guys that guys start taking discounts guys that will start taking discounts to play there because, you know, we got.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: To keep Patrick Mahomes around.
[00:52:13] Speaker A: Shit. These guys got Juju Smith Schuster a ring. Yeah, I want to be a part.
[00:52:16] Speaker B: Of I mean, I agree. I think that they may just be getting started, which is a scary ass thought, especially because they're in the AFC with the Browns. So if the Browns want any shot of getting out of here, we got to go through Kansas City. But we almost did it one time. We couldn't stop.
[00:52:36] Speaker A: Thankfully, he's retired.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: We got a chance.
[00:52:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
Good on chat. Henry we talked a little bit last week about how backup quarterbacks sometimes can have a good game and end up with a nice contract. Like, that guy's done okay for himself. He's been a backup for a long time, his whole career. Coming out of Michigan, he started a handful. He wasn't any good to begin with and then was in Jaguar just in.
[00:52:57] Speaker B: Purgatory for a while, accepted his plate in life.
[00:53:00] Speaker A: Eventually he ends up as a backup on a good team, and you make a boatload of money and end your career with two rings. And it wasn't like most backup quarterbacks.
[00:53:09] Speaker B: Love the picture of him retiring, by the way. He's just like, with beer in hand, tweeted out with a bud light in his hand in the end zone. He's like, that's it, guys see it.
[00:53:17] Speaker A: But to stick it out that long.
[00:53:20] Speaker B: For the sponsorship and then he was.
[00:53:21] Speaker A: Like, I'm out, and finish with two rings and then go like most backup quarterbacks, you're kind of like, oh, that was the kid in the group project that didn't do anything.
Chad Henry, so good.
[00:53:33] Speaker B: We don't even know his name.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: Chad Henny showed up, actually, in these playoffs and in the last playoffs when they beat the like, he showed up and made plays and helped them literally win Super Bowl.
[00:53:42] Speaker B: You know who he reminds me of?
[00:53:44] Speaker A: Chad Henry.
[00:53:45] Speaker B: No, not early in his career, obviously, but he reminds me of Bernie Kozar. When Bernie Kozar went to the Dallas Cowboys. And people forget that the only reason the Dallas Cowboys won that Super Bowl was because of Bernie Kozar. He started about half the season for them, kept them in the playoff hunt, and then he won two playoff games, if I'm not mistaken, for him. And then Troy Eggman got to come in and say, oh, I saved the day, I guess.
But really, Bernie Kozar was the so.
[00:54:13] Speaker A: For that season, at least bernie's the man.
[00:54:16] Speaker B: So that's kind of what Chad Henney reminds me of, saving the day in Kansas City.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: He sure did save the day. That's true.
But yeah, I don't know.
[00:54:25] Speaker B: Do they sustain it? I guess that's the final question.
[00:54:28] Speaker A: And that's the question is can they sustain it? My only other concern, too, would be from a sustainability standpoint, is this isn't the first time homes has been kind of banged up. That's true. At some point, do these injuries and pushing through them start taking a toll on your body?
[00:54:44] Speaker B: Fair. That's a fair question. I don't know.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:54:52] Speaker B: Kansas City. They're really good.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: They're way better than the Browns. That's my biggest takeaway from the Super Bowl, is like, I don't think the Browns are ever going to win it.
[00:55:00] Speaker B: You know what's weird is I go back to the game that we almost did beat them, and I think about how much better on paper, I know it didn't shake out that way, but on paper, how much better our team is now.
And it just makes me wonder. You match up their best players against our best players. Right.
And I don't know how far off we are. I think we just need to quit having historically bad luck. Like the worst luck and a lot of it's self imposed, but it's the worst luck.
[00:55:32] Speaker A: Let's table that. And before we wrap things up, I have a question for you since we're going to take a short hiatus after today's show fair, what do we got next here?
[00:55:47] Speaker B: Super bowl halftime show with Rihanna.
Yeah. What do you think, man?
Give us the Kenny Thunder review.
[00:55:57] Speaker A: Look, there's a lot to say about this halftime show.
[00:56:00] Speaker B: Is it good or bad?
[00:56:02] Speaker A: The first thing that I'll say is this is I'm starting to actually just hate the halftime show because I'm tired of people complaining about it every year.
[00:56:12] Speaker B: That's my biggest thing. I don't even care about the show.
[00:56:14] Speaker A: Every year it's this debate of was this the best halftime show or was it the worst halftime show?
[00:56:19] Speaker B: And I'm like, probably somewhere in the middle.
[00:56:21] Speaker A: Guys, this happens once a year and it's really, all things considered, not that big a deal.
[00:56:27] Speaker B: Why don't we just let it be?
[00:56:30] Speaker A: I almost just don't want them. Who's the girl? That red panda that does the tricks with the plates and the unicycle. Just like, bring out a street performer.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: That's what that's actually what they used to do back in the day. It was like actual shows.
[00:56:43] Speaker A: I don't even need all the pyrotechnics. My mom last night was like, when's the hieroglyphics start.
[00:56:48] Speaker B: I was like, the hieroglyphics, way to go.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: We were losing it. But I don't even need all that stuff. Give me a guy on a truck on a unicycle, balancing plates and juggling at the same time with chainsaw.
[00:57:00] Speaker B: Look, here's the deal. The two best halftime, we'll get into Rihanna's halftime show. Do you have a sounder for Rihanna?
[00:57:08] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:57:13] Speaker B: We'll get back to her in a second. But the two best halftime shows, in my opinion of all time, michael Jackson and Prince. And Prince's was epic because he did Purple Rain in the Rain in Miami and it was just pretty cool. Michael Jackson's, though, that was the last just phenomenal show.
[00:57:30] Speaker A: Well, and there was what's her face. Whitney Houston is regarded as one of the best ever. I enjoyed last year's with, like, the 90s hip.
[00:57:39] Speaker B: I'm not even saying I didn't enjoy them. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying those were the best two ever. As far as you were saying, is this the best or is it the worst? Well, those are the best two ever and nothing's come close, but it's just.
[00:57:48] Speaker A: Almost like a fruitless debate. Because here's why I really hate it, is that no matter who they pick as an artist, half the people are going to like it and half the people are going to hate it because.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: We all don't like the same kind of so you go like, two top genres in the US. Right? And I'm willing to bet it's probably country and pop.
[00:58:10] Speaker A: And I don't even know if country is that high. Honestly. I think country is a little more niche overall than some of the other music, mainstream music. But let's play out your example.
[00:58:20] Speaker B: I'm just saying the culture behind those two styles of music, totally different, be further from each other. So if you got somebody that's like, I'm a diehard country fan, and they come in watching Rihanna, they're probably going to have a bad time.
[00:58:33] Speaker A: And that's my thing, right? So if Tim McGraw was leading the halftime show, I'd be like, yeah, this was a dope halftime show. Probably one of my favorites.
[00:58:39] Speaker B: Everybody liked Rihanna is probably like, that was terrible.
[00:58:42] Speaker A: But if you like post Malone and he does the halftime show, you'd probably be like, that's the best halftime. And I'll be like, I don't really listen to post Malone, so I couldn't really get behind it.
[00:58:51] Speaker B: I couldn't hear what he was saying.
[00:58:52] Speaker A: Most of dumb face.
[00:58:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I just think it's it's an.
[00:58:59] Speaker A: Impossible I almost feel bad for the sponsors, not because they have boatloads of money, but just because it's like, how.
[00:59:05] Speaker B: Do you even I will say by Apple this year, they did a pretty good job. They put on a good show, if nothing else. It was a good show.
[00:59:12] Speaker A: Whatever, right?
[00:59:13] Speaker B: Like, I'm just saying, platforms floating around and stuff, and all these marshmallows standing around.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: I just think it's so hard to please anyone, let alone please everyone, that this whole thing just ends up becoming a giant cluster no matter what happens.
[00:59:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that's probably fair. But I don't care about all that. I'm asking you, what your thoughts on this Super Bowl halftime show?
[00:59:35] Speaker A: Here's my thoughts on the Rihanna Rihanna halftime show.
[00:59:39] Speaker B: Why's her name so fun to say? Rihanna?
[00:59:43] Speaker A: I was actually telling why do we.
[00:59:45] Speaker B: Have to say it in a high pitched voice?
[00:59:48] Speaker A: I always get Rihanna and Sierra Sierra mixed up.
[00:59:51] Speaker B: Not even close, man.
[00:59:53] Speaker A: You're dead to me.
But anyway, Rihanna my wife has no idea who Siara is, by the way. She's like, what? I was like, Russell Wilson's wife. She's like, no, never heard of her. Never heard of her. And that's her kind of music, so I don't know how she doesn't know. Anyway, my thoughts on the Rihanna Super Bowl halftime performance. I'll give you the hieroglyphics and the Pyrotechnics. The floating stages were a new element that was cool, especially when you consider the new marshmallows was broke of Rihanna being with child.
The fact that she was just what.
[01:00:32] Speaker B: A hell of a way to just put it out there. There was nothing beforehand. She just went out there and was like, that's right. I'm doing the Super Bowl halftime show. Pregnant, 75ft in the air.
[01:00:43] Speaker A: Yeah. The fact that you're just 100ft in the air, just, like, not giving a shit and pregnant, like, cool. Brave of you.
[01:00:51] Speaker B: Awesome.
[01:00:51] Speaker A: I guess I didn't really get the marshmallows things. In fact, Rihanna's red jumpsuit and the marshmallows kind of remind me of Kansas City colors, which I thought was OD, but I didn't really get the marshmallows. And somebody was like, that's the umbrella people. And I was like, I don't think so. You just made that up.
They did.
[01:01:13] Speaker B: Who told you that? They're wrong. Whoever you are, you're wrong.
[01:01:19] Speaker A: Personally, I don't have a problem with Rihanna's music. Right? Like, I'm not a huge no, it.
[01:01:24] Speaker B: Was actually a pretty I didn't think about it beforehand.
[01:01:27] Speaker A: You know, a lot of her songs.
[01:01:29] Speaker B: She has a pretty extensive yeah, she had what do you call it?
[01:01:33] Speaker A: Portfolio collection. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of her songs that you recognize just from being anywhere, watching TV, watching movies, being out in public. Her songs are very recognizable. So I didn't have a problem with Rihanna as an artist or her music, per se. I did think that for an audience, oh, boy. That is probably more family oriented than most oh, boy. That this was a little sexually charged. Wow. And I'm not trying to be know, prude. Kenny, you sound like it Prude thunder. Like, I'm not that's your new name, prude Thunder.
But either that or it just it was a lot of her songs are kind of suggestive, as most pop music is. As most pop music is.
[01:02:22] Speaker B: Most music in general. Let's be honest here.
[01:02:25] Speaker A: We probably could have dialed it back to an eight, and everybody would have been like, whatever, but it was in a nine and a half on the suggestive meter.
But saying that then I also saw a bunch of people that were like, this was so sexual. This was disgusting.
[01:02:45] Speaker B: With that voice and everything coming straight through the computer.
[01:02:49] Speaker A: This is an abomination.
[01:02:50] Speaker B: This is disgusting.
[01:02:52] Speaker A: And I was like, listen. I was like, listen, you all can pretend like this is the most disgusting thing you've ever seen, but I guarantee you that if Rihanna touched her dump hole and then her front butt and put her finger in front of your nose you would love.
Not maybe not everybody, but all the guys that are out there that are like you have pin up models in your garage, on your calendars and your Sports Illustrated this and that. That wasn't that big of a deal. It was a little gross, maybe, but depends on who you are, because I know there's a bunch of degenerate sickos out there that would totally drink Rihanna's bathwater. You're one of them. I just think, like, this is false outrage that is continually just splooged all over the Internet's.
What? So what are even my thoughts about this?
[01:03:49] Speaker B: I don't even know because I don't.
[01:03:50] Speaker A: Care, because it's a halftime show at a football game.
[01:03:54] Speaker B: Did you just use the words dump hole in front butt?
[01:04:02] Speaker A: I mean, I feel like those are semi FCC, like, compliant wow.
[01:04:08] Speaker B: Coined here on the Burning River sportscast. Front butt and dump hole.
I'm with it offended.
I think a little bit of it goes just with the crossing the lines of the different genres of music and everything. People don't like the music as it is, so then that happens. So then fake outrage comes and they're like, no, I'm so mad that she was so sexual, because this is why I hate this kind of music.
[01:04:38] Speaker A: Right?
[01:04:38] Speaker B: Meanwhile, you probably listen to classic rock and stroke me, stroke me.
[01:04:44] Speaker A: All the 70s music was just about getting down. Heck, that's what 90% of country music is about. Like, maybe lock the door and turn the lights down low knocking boots. I mean, come on. Choose your battles, people.
[01:04:58] Speaker B: Just because you think you do it in a more radio friendly way doesn't mean it's still okay, not that important. And let's be really between us. We don't care either way. I'm not saying not to do it. You could be, whatever, sing about what you want.
[01:05:11] Speaker A: You can like whatever you want. But let's be really honest here for one final second.
Are we going to pretend like sex doesn't sell in this country?
Sex sells everything in this country. They don't put ugly people on TV for a reason.
[01:05:26] Speaker B: Literally, the very first Super Bowl commercial, once the Super Bowl started was Anna Ferris shirtless in an avocados from Mexico commercial.
[01:05:35] Speaker A: Everybody was naked, which I shouted out.
[01:05:37] Speaker B: To them last week, so what are the chances?
[01:05:41] Speaker A: But I just think our whole world is driven by beautiful people in as little clothes as possible. Why are the Kardashians famous?
[01:05:50] Speaker B: Well, that's a topic for another day. But me and you hold the view of why are nipples so sexualized? So we can get into that another time.
[01:06:00] Speaker A: Seen my nipples?
Those do anything for you.
[01:06:04] Speaker B: Why does a girl's nipples do something for you? Doesn't make sense. But anyways, yeah, my thoughts on the halftime show. I liked it. I thought it was pretty good. I thought it was cool that that was how she kind of announced her pregnancy and everything.
I know you're in the midst of it right now. Your wife is pregnant. My wife just gave birth to our first child not too long ago. So we're kind of in that stage of our life and I thought that was just cool to see her go out there. It is like a statement. I can still do whatever I need to do as a woman, as a person, as whatever. And I'm still out here doing it all.
[01:06:39] Speaker A: And just very impressive because this is less than a year since she had her last kit.
You're dealing with this more than I am right now. But my wife is pregnant. She's tired and sick all the time. I'm sure yours is not always feeling great postpartum.
It was a cool moment for her to just kind of step up and do her thing. And in the midst of all that and now being pregnant again, I liked.
[01:07:05] Speaker B: The smirk throughout the whole performance. She just kept smirking at the camera.
[01:07:09] Speaker A: Like, well, it's because she was lip syncing and not singing.
[01:07:11] Speaker B: Well, there's that, too. But it just kind of came off to me like, I know you guys are all going to be talking about this in a minute. Yeah, so it was pretty cool. I liked it. I thought it was one of the better ones in recent memory. And it doesn't really matter as far as where they all rank compared to each other, but I just thought it was a good show.
[01:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a free concert.
If you don't like it, turn it off.
[01:07:34] Speaker B: Fair there's literally anything else. You go watch the Puppy Bowl that.
[01:07:39] Speaker A: Was on in the halftime, like, I don't know, find something to do. Go eat some chips and guac.
[01:07:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Fair next up here, I see you wrote in any favorite commercials.
[01:07:47] Speaker A: Any favorite commercials?
[01:07:49] Speaker B: I have quite a few.
[01:07:49] Speaker A: What are your favorite commercials?
[01:07:51] Speaker B: I liked the Grease commercial, which was John Travolta singing with what are those two dudes'names from Scrubs?
[01:07:57] Speaker A: Scrubs. I don't know. I just love the two guys from.
[01:07:59] Speaker B: Scrubs for the T Mobile home Internet. That was cool. I'm shouting out brands here just because I feel like giving them props for good commercials.
[01:08:06] Speaker A: That was very fun.
[01:08:07] Speaker B: T mobile home internet. Good job.
Another one that I liked was the Bush commercial when they were talking about all the animals in the wild. And Sarah McLaughlin came on, he's like, and by the way, that's a wolf.
That was a good one.
I liked Breaking Bad.
[01:08:28] Speaker A: I really liked Breaking Bad.
[01:08:29] Speaker B: What were those chips called?
[01:08:30] Speaker A: I don't even know what the chips were called. I don't even know who makes them.
[01:08:33] Speaker B: All I know was popcorns, popcorns, popcorn.
[01:08:36] Speaker A: Seven brands.
[01:08:39] Speaker B: It was like word for word, the scene, but just with popcorns instead of.
[01:08:44] Speaker A: Blue met with tuco.
Yeah, that was fun.
[01:08:48] Speaker B: And then there was one more that I had on there, and I can't.
[01:08:50] Speaker A: Remember what it was.
[01:08:54] Speaker B: The other one, we talked about this a little bit.
[01:08:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:08:58] Speaker B: What were your favorites?
[01:09:00] Speaker A: There were quite a few. The Grease one, I think, was definitely on top of my list. I thought that was very fun. It was very cheekily written.
And the other one that I liked was the Pringles Can't hands. All the things you can do with Pringle Can't. There were things you can't do with Pringle Can't stand.
[01:09:23] Speaker B: Oh, the other one I liked was ham and brie.
[01:09:26] Speaker A: Oh, yes. John Hamm. I like anything with John Hamm in it.
[01:09:28] Speaker B: John Hamm and Brie Larson and Pete Davidson said, I'm going to eat you.
That was a good one.
[01:09:35] Speaker A: Here's mine.
[01:09:36] Speaker B: It was a Hellman's commercial.
I like when they do a commercial, they don't even really make a big deal about their it's just in the background, just kind of sitting there. And they don't make a big deal about the product.
[01:09:45] Speaker A: I mean, I'm glad you brought up the products because I had no idea what any of those commercials were for. So they did a bad job of explaining their product, but a good job of entertaining me.
Here's my only question about the commercials this year. I thought actually, these commercials, not that any of them were like super duper hilariously funny or super duper emotionally touching, but I thought they were better than.
[01:10:06] Speaker B: Are you kidding me? Did you see the dog food one with the black Lab and tracked them their whole life?
[01:10:11] Speaker A: And then that was one of my favorite touching ones.
[01:10:16] Speaker B: I leaned towards the funny ones, but that one got me because I have a black Lab.
We just had a baby. And I was like, oh, my God.
[01:10:24] Speaker A: I told my dog, I was like, hi, that's going to be you soon, laying into bed with the baby.
[01:10:28] Speaker B: That one got me.
I don't know the name of the dog food brand. I'm sorry.
[01:10:33] Speaker A: More importantly, were there Clydesdales? There's a thing in the past.
[01:10:38] Speaker B: I didn't see any.
[01:10:39] Speaker A: Maybe I missed them. Went to pee.
[01:10:42] Speaker B: The commercials get less and less intense every year. I remember growing up, you would talk about the commercials, and you could talk about the commercials for weeks. There were some good ass commercials. You remember crime deterrent?
[01:10:54] Speaker A: Crime Deterrent was one of the best commercials ever.
[01:10:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. What does your phone have? Crime Deterrent. What's that mean? Try and take it.
Yeah. Fantastic commercial. I wish we could put that up there. You probably can't find it on YouTube.
[01:11:04] Speaker A: I have to think that a lot of that has to do with the Internet distribution that exists today, because most people see the commercials now before them.
[01:11:16] Speaker B: And it's just not the best distribution model anymore with the way the Internet is.
[01:11:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Because you can get on and see all these things a couple of days beforehand. Anyway.
[01:11:26] Speaker B: Most watched TV show of the year, but you go back to, like.
[01:11:29] Speaker A: 1998, before you had access to all that. You really waited for those commercials.
[01:11:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Instead of paying whatever the exorbitant amount of money to get a Super Bowl ad was this year, which you might tell us later. I don't know. But instead of paying that, you could pay for, like, 10,000 ads on any social media.
[01:11:49] Speaker A: True.
Yeah. I mean, I'm almost like, who's paying for these at this point? What's the point of this?
[01:11:56] Speaker B: It's almost like a status thing. And I think that's why you saw the Paul brothers right before the game started, did their new prime prime Drink. The prime drink or whatever. It wasn't even that good of a commercial, but it was just like a status thing, like yeah. You see that? We got a Super Bowl commercial, I.
[01:12:11] Speaker A: Think, but because theirs was at the beginning, they got a discount.
[01:12:13] Speaker B: They probably did, because the game hadn't started yet. Yeah, but it was the very last commercial before the game started, and there's probably a reason for that.
[01:12:20] Speaker A: And I was shocked. And Mr. Beast made an appearance in an ad as well.
[01:12:24] Speaker B: Did he? I didn't catch it.
[01:12:25] Speaker A: It was one where it was the one, I think, with the Undertaker in it. They had Kevin Hart with a bunch of people in it, so I thought that was cool. There was like, a couple of YouTube guys. I don't care much for the Paul guys, but I thought it was cool they had a commercial in the Super Bowl, but I thought maybe I missed the Clydesdales was the only thing, because.
[01:12:43] Speaker B: I didn't see them feel like this.
[01:12:44] Speaker A: Is the first time in my lifetime that I didn't see a Clydesdales.
[01:12:47] Speaker B: To be fair, I was distracted. I taking care of a three month old fair. But anyways, I think that's it for the Super Bowl. I mean, I think we covered pretty much everything about it. Covered some storylines coming out of it.
[01:13:00] Speaker A: I agree. So do your thing. And then I have one question before we finish things up.
[01:13:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So right now, I just want to remind everybody to call in to the Burning River Sports guest hate line. Talk to us about anything. Talk to us about Super Bowl commercials, super bowl halftime show, the Browns who weren't in the Super Bowl, the Chiefs, the Eagles. I don't care. Talk to us about anything. Literally anything.
[01:13:19] Speaker A: Cavs and guards, they're coming up, too.
[01:13:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Talk to us. We want to hear from you. We want to put you on air. 3302-2780-8033-0227-8080-3302-278. What's your question?
[01:13:35] Speaker A: Man so today, day after the Super.
[01:13:40] Speaker B: Bowl, we find ourselves equals.
[01:13:44] Speaker A: Hold on. I got to pause. Not for sounder. For you are all equally blessed.
For I have the pride, the privilege, nay, the pleasure of introducing to you a knight sired by knights, a knight who can trace his lineage back beyond Charlemagne.
[01:14:09] Speaker B: I first met him atop a mountain near Jerusalem, praying to God, asking his.
[01:14:17] Speaker A: Forgiveness for the Saracen blood spilt by his sword. Next, he amazed me still further in Italy when he saved a fatherless beauty.
[01:14:27] Speaker B: From the wood bear ravishings of her.
[01:14:29] Speaker A: Dreadful Turkish uncle, Paul Bettney.
[01:14:33] Speaker B: So good. How do we always it always double.
[01:14:37] Speaker A: Into a movie quote, everything comes back to a tale.
[01:14:40] Speaker B: It does.
[01:14:40] Speaker A: Always does.
Yeah. It's a masterpiece of epic proportions.
[01:14:45] Speaker B: In case anyone wants to see this. Wow.
[01:14:47] Speaker A: We're going zoom in and everything.
For those that are listening in their car, we have a Night's Tale. Night's Tale in the studio at all times. In case you in case you want to watch it.
[01:14:58] Speaker B: You can come over our copy.
[01:15:00] Speaker A: We can have a pizza, call it.
[01:15:01] Speaker B: The Hot Take Hotline.
[01:15:01] Speaker A: And we'll mail you this. You got to mail it back, though.
[01:15:03] Speaker B: It's a borrow. It's not a keep.
[01:15:05] Speaker A: It's like Netflix used to be. It's a Borrow, not a keep.
Okay, so back on track. So let's finish this thing up day after the Super Bowl.
We know that this Browns team you talked about earlier, the talent on that team now different than the Baker Mayfield Browns that almost beat the Chiefs a couple years ago.
Because we're going to take a short hiatus, and there will be free agency and some things happening.
What is your prediction for the Browns record today, given the talent on the roster, the new coaching changes and do.
[01:15:42] Speaker B: I have to stay locked into this for next year? Is this going to be like a bonus?
[01:15:44] Speaker A: Like no, just like I wonder between.
[01:15:47] Speaker B: Now I was wondering, kenny lost King of the north this year.
[01:15:50] Speaker A: Yes, but I accurately predicted the Browns record spot on fair.
[01:15:54] Speaker B: Nobody called you Nostradamus online.
[01:15:58] Speaker A: That's thunder dummus to you.
Nice.
As of right now, dumb hole in front butt. As of right now because I think it'll be interesting to see after the full offseason, OTAs training camp, everything. What does it look like then?
[01:16:15] Speaker B: I'm actually a lot more optimistic than I think most people are. I stayed optimistic as long as I could this year, and I got a little down on him at the end of the year. But the reason I'm optimistic is we do get a fourth place schedule fair. So it's an easier schedule. In case anyone doesn't know how schedules work in the NFL, if you're in fourth place, you play the other fourth place teams from the other divisions that you're playing that year, so you get an easier schedule. And that's part of how they keep Parity in the league and we get.
[01:16:41] Speaker A: The AFC South this year.
[01:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So all of those things combine the fact that we do have Deshaun Watson now for a full year.
Kevin Stefanski I shouldn't say, I think haven't. I don't know if this is a prediction of mine yet, but I hope at this point that the hot seat is actually going to light a fire for Kevin Stefanski, do its job. It's going to get hot, and he's going to say he's going to coach a little bit better next year. We're going to have a better defensive coordinator that's going to be able to utilize our talent, and I think we end up doing pretty well. But I think the AFC North is going to be uber competitive. So that being said, I'm going to go eleven and six.
I was trying to decide between that and ten and seven, but I'm going to give them the game and say eleven and six, and I think most of our losses will be within our division.
[01:17:35] Speaker A: Let me ask you this back there. If the Browns only win eleven years, eleven games next year yeah.
Is the Deshaun Watson contract and trade worth it?
[01:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it is. Still, if they continue that, I mean.
[01:17:52] Speaker A: Remember we made the trade for him because he was expected to be a top five quarterback.
Is that a top five result in the league?
[01:17:59] Speaker B: I understand well, you don't know because if you get into the playoffs at eleven and six, then anything from that point can happen. So I think next year the AFC but do you hang on. I think next year, regardless of who is in the Super Bowl from the NFC, the AFC will win the Super Bowl next year. The AFC is so freaking stacked.
[01:18:21] Speaker A: Agree.
[01:18:22] Speaker B: I think if the Browns make it in, literally anything can happen. And that's why I say that it's not a waste yet.
[01:18:30] Speaker A: But here's my question is I understand that you can come once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen. But I think that if you looked at a team like the Philadelphia Eagles and a team like the Jacksonville Jaguars that both made the playoffs this year, I think Jacksonville fits the mold of, hey, we're in, anything can happen. Philadelphia fits the mold of we're one of the best teams in the NFL and we expect to compete with all the best teams in the NFL.
[01:18:53] Speaker B: There's a different strata that they're on at this point. With everything that I just said, I would say that we would feel more like Philadelphia fans going into next year's playoffs.
But we'll see. We are the Browns and we have a lot of room to Browns it up.
[01:19:09] Speaker A: And that's where I'm at with it right now is I feel like once you've made the investment into Sean Watson 230,000,000, here's one of the main reasons guaranteed. I feel like you should be going into the playoffs thinking we're going to not just make the playoffs and see what happens from here. This should be we're one of the best teams in the NFL and we're in this thing to win this thing. So to me, almost like anything less than twelve wins in a regular season is kind of like are we getting our money's worth here?
Especially in a 17 game season with.
[01:19:38] Speaker B: How loaded the I think that's unfair.
[01:19:43] Speaker A: That's why I'm asking the question. Hot take, though.
[01:19:48] Speaker B: That's fine.
I don't begrudging your opinion. I'm just saying to me that's a little harsh because it is uber competitive, not only in our division, which we have to play, what is that, 123456 games within our division at eleven and six? I said I think most of our losses actually come within our own division.
So think about that.
We have one of the best divisions in the league.
[01:20:16] Speaker A: So you're saying but think about good teams in years past in the AFC North. I mean, the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't go we'll probably split half the games in the AFC North because Cincinnati is good this year and Baltimore is good this year.
[01:20:29] Speaker B: I'm not saying that's the mentality. I'm saying that's how I feel about the Browns right now. Okay.
[01:20:35] Speaker A: Fair you can feel however you want. That's why I asked you the question. I'm just curious.
[01:20:38] Speaker B: I'm going to punch you.
Listen, I'm going with eleven and 611 and six. Yeah, that's my feeling. I think that's how they finish and I think they make more of their run in the later part of the half. They kind of look like Cincinnati has the last few years where maybe they start out a little slow and people are asking questions. I wouldn't be surprised.
And then they come on late and they're like, no, we're going on a run because we're a good team. We have all the pieces and we're going to do what we need to do. Fair so that's how I see the Browns next year.
Next year's Browns are this year's Bengals.
You heard it here first for all them damn Browns Bengals fans.
[01:21:21] Speaker A: Interesting.
[01:21:22] Speaker B: Yeah, they'll get their know for me.
I didn't ask you.
[01:21:31] Speaker A: For me the day after the Super Bowl.
[01:21:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:21:37] Speaker A: I don't. Think much has changed.
[01:21:39] Speaker B: Oh, God.
[01:21:40] Speaker A: If I had to pick a record right now, I would say eight and nine.
[01:21:44] Speaker B: Damn, you're putting them under 500.
[01:21:46] Speaker A: Come on. I think they're slightly better than this year because this is why you guys.
[01:21:50] Speaker B: Come to the Burning River Sports, because Kenny is a pessimist and I'm an optimist, and together we balance each other out.
[01:21:57] Speaker A: I think Deshaun will play better next year than he did this year. I'm hoping. But I still think you have the wrong head coach. I still think my prefer is in this building and I still think you.
[01:22:12] Speaker B: That'S a big problem.
[01:22:12] Speaker A: A ton of holes, not a part of the problem.
My disclaimer here would be it's the day after the Super Bowl. There's a lot of things they can do in the offseason that might make me feel better about it, but I need to see it fair. I need to see understand.
[01:22:30] Speaker B: I understand both of them. I'll leave you with one thing. I think one more prediction on that, just because I got to get this out there.
I don't think Deshaun Watson finishes top five next year as a quarterback.
I think he finishes somewhere between six and to. He's not going to quite get there where we want him to be, but he's going to be right on the verge.
There's a lot of good quarterbacks that have come into the league the last few years, so it's a little different than when he was a top five quarterback. But I think he makes a step and I do think that the top five years are coming.
You don't think so?
[01:23:09] Speaker A: I think he's twelve or beyond right now.
[01:23:14] Speaker B: Fair. Save this clip. That's a long one. Save it.
All right. With all that being said and us talking about the Super Bowl and saying we were only going to talk about the Super Bowl and then talking about the Browns anyways, because that's what we do. We're the Burning River Sports cast. Kenny, what can we expect next?
[01:23:29] Speaker A: What week can we expect next week?
[01:23:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:23:32] Speaker A: I'll tell you what you can expect. Absolutely N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
[01:23:37] Speaker B: Nothing.
[01:23:39] Speaker A: We have enjoyed podcasting with you all for the entirety of the Brown season from the end of the preseason essentially till now through the Super Bowl. We are going to take a much needed mental health break to regroup and think about how we can keep bringing the best Browns content, cleveland Sports content to you over the rest of this year. So it'll just be a couple of weeks just for us to get some R R, do some planning, do some things on the back end to make sure we have back end the front butt. We have the technology to support things.
[01:24:17] Speaker B: With the back hole so we could.
[01:24:18] Speaker A: Fix the front butt. We have the technology to support this journey that we're on with you. We'll be in and out on social media. So you could still call the hotline.
[01:24:26] Speaker B: We might still have some breaking news.
[01:24:28] Speaker A: And as news breaks, we may do some special episodes. But we're going to plan to take a couple of weeks off. And then we will be back with our first off season edition episode of the Burning River Sports Cast on the first week of April. So what's? It the april. 6.
No, March 30.
[01:24:47] Speaker B: Last week of March. He was wrong. So we will be back the week of March 27.
[01:24:52] Speaker A: So just in time, probably.
[01:24:54] Speaker B: March 30 is when it'll drop for.
[01:24:56] Speaker A: Guardians opening day and prepping for the Cavs playoff run. And then we will also recap any news that happens in free agency and prepping for the NFL draft at that time. So that's what you can expect next week.
[01:25:12] Speaker B: Hiatus.
[01:25:13] Speaker A: Hiatus.
[01:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Definitely taking a break here. But like you said, I just want to reiterate, keep following us on social media. We're going to have plenty going on on all of our social media pages. You can follow Tap in media on Facebook and Twitter at the Tapin Media and on Instagram at Tapin Media. Official you can follow this sportscast Burning River Sportscast on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube at Burning River sportscast and on Twitter at Burning River pod. And don't forget to check out our actual podcast wherever you get your podcasts. I'm talking Apple podcasts. Spotify. Google Podcasts. Amazon Music. Stitcher pandora. iHeartRadio Podcast Castro.
Good pods and so many more.
[01:25:53] Speaker A: So many more.
[01:25:55] Speaker B: So, yeah, stick with us. We got more to come. There could be big things happening in the future. Yeah.
[01:26:00] Speaker A: And we'll probably put out some content here and there. It just may not be a full podcast episode over the next four or five weeks.
[01:26:05] Speaker B: There'll be content. You'll be glad you follow.
[01:26:08] Speaker A: But we have so many things that we want to do for you for the next season that we need a little bit of time to just make sure we have everything in place in itty bitty living space. Yeah. So with that facts for days. Facts for days. This might even be one of the segments that just lives, like just me on my phone doing fax for days.
[01:26:27] Speaker B: Let me just tell everybody the facts.
[01:26:28] Speaker A: For Days for the next four weeks. Great. Because everybody loves facts for Days. Because who doesn't have enough facts?
[01:26:35] Speaker B: I want you to make these facts for Days quick.
[01:26:38] Speaker A: F you, buddy. I can't. Wow, they're important. Actually. These are pretty fast. Frederick Bauer invented the pringles can.
[01:26:44] Speaker B: Nice. Good job, buddy.
[01:26:45] Speaker A: When he passed away in 2008, his ashes were buried in one.
[01:26:51] Speaker B: That's morbid, but nice.
[01:26:52] Speaker A: Can you imagine going to a service and the Urn is just ranch cheddar Pringles.
[01:26:58] Speaker B: I wonder if it retains the smell of the flavor.
[01:27:01] Speaker A: That's gross, man. We went pretty close to the line a few times in this episode, and.
[01:27:07] Speaker B: I may have stomped all over the ashes of it. Oh my God.
Rip.
[01:27:13] Speaker A: Fred next fact. More than 2500 left handed people are killed every year from using equipment meant for right handed people.
[01:27:27] Speaker B: That just sounds like left handed people are not as smart as right.
[01:27:30] Speaker A: Well, first off, left handed people are way smarter than right handed people. That's why the majority of our presidents have been left handed.
Not the majority of people. It's like a 6th of the people, but more than half the presidents.
[01:27:42] Speaker B: That's actually incredible.
[01:27:43] Speaker A: It is an incredible that's way better.
[01:27:44] Speaker B: Than all the that was a bonus fact.
That's way better than all the people dying from using right handed stuff. Like idiots.
[01:27:51] Speaker A: I mean, look, you don't know the struggle that us left handers have. Have you ever used a right handed notebook as a left hander?
[01:27:57] Speaker B: You're using yourself as an example, and it's a bad example because you're an idiot.
[01:28:02] Speaker A: I am not an idiot. I'm a visionary.
[01:28:07] Speaker B: A visionary with terrible eyesight.
[01:28:10] Speaker A: That's true. It's not 2020.
Take a look around you.
Not just in this room, but in any room that you're in today.
[01:28:20] Speaker B: Okay, what do you got for me?
[01:28:22] Speaker A: And just take in the people that are there because within twelve months, 54 million people that are alive right now will be dead.
What?
[01:28:36] Speaker B: That's wild, man.
[01:28:38] Speaker A: So maybe spend some extra time with that guy that annoys you a little bit or hug that smelly grandma a little extra tighter.
[01:28:48] Speaker B: The family thing, I can get behind, but the annoying guy, I feel like you should just spend less time with him because you only have so much time yourself.
[01:28:55] Speaker A: True. You could be one of the 54 million.
[01:28:57] Speaker B: Right? That's what I'm saying.
[01:28:58] Speaker A: That's true.
[01:28:58] Speaker B: I waste that time on that annoying guy.
[01:29:01] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:29:02] Speaker B: Right? All right. Glad we're on the same page here. So basically what I'm saying is the podcast is over because I don't want to spend any time with you.
[01:29:08] Speaker A: We got one final bonus fact.
Because if you're feeling really full from all that smoked Gouda fondue and Buffalo chicken surprise from all of the additional beer and food that you have consumed like a furious glutton over the last 24 hours during the Super Bowl, might I suggest you take a tropical vacation?
[01:29:36] Speaker B: Okay, sure. Yeah.
[01:29:39] Speaker A: Somewhere maybe in the Caribbean near the.
[01:29:41] Speaker B: Are you going to tell us about.
[01:29:42] Speaker A: Bermuda near the equator?
Because you'll actually weigh less on the equator than you do here.
[01:29:52] Speaker B: Oh, nice.
[01:29:53] Speaker A: Because the Earth actually spins faster at the equator because it's the largest part of the Earth. Right.
[01:30:00] Speaker B: So it's got further to go when.
[01:30:01] Speaker A: You think about yeah, the Earth's not a true sphere, like a perfect sphere. It's kind of like a smooshed sphere, like a hamburger. But if you're on a North Pole, you have less distance to travel, so the equator spins immensely faster. So if you go to the equator, you'll weigh less gravity.
[01:30:17] Speaker B: Now, wouldn't you weigh more because gravity.
[01:30:20] Speaker A: No, there's less gravity. The forces of gravity, and I'll tell you why. Because centrifugal force is proportional tossing you off the Earth. So the tangential speed of rotating reference I got you.
[01:30:30] Speaker B: What? I visualized that. It made sense.
[01:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So the equator is moving quickly as the Earth spins, has a lot of centrifugal force.
[01:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I got it.
[01:30:36] Speaker A: In contrast, the poles aren't spinning at all, so they have zero I got.
[01:30:39] Speaker B: It, I got it.
[01:30:41] Speaker A: If there was no spinning, not you.
[01:30:43] Speaker B: I'm no idiot.
[01:30:43] Speaker A: If the Earth wasn't spinning, we'd all feel much heavier, like Santa on the north pole. Hence so fat.
[01:30:50] Speaker B: Why so fat?
[01:30:53] Speaker A: I will throw this one little piece, and so you will be lighter on the equator, roughly 1%. So what do you weigh, 200 pounds? You'd be 198 on the equator. It's good.
You'll still be a fat ass looking guy, though, because your mass doesn't change. It's just your.
[01:31:13] Speaker B: Was going to I thought you were going with Bermuda for that one. Because it's surprising how many people don't know where Bermuda is.
[01:31:21] Speaker A: It's in the ocean.
[01:31:23] Speaker B: Where in the ocean?
[01:31:24] Speaker A: It's off the Atlantic sea. Word out there by Jeffrey Epstein's island.
[01:31:29] Speaker B: Where is it in, like is it.
[01:31:30] Speaker A: In, like, the Caribbean to catch a predator? No, it's north of that okay.
[01:31:33] Speaker B: You know, most people don't know. They think and it's mostly because of that song, Bermuda.
[01:31:38] Speaker A: Yeah. They think you're.
[01:31:42] Speaker B: On the coast of.
[01:31:43] Speaker A: Like, Georgia, or they think it's in it's just off it's by Epstein's island.
[01:31:48] Speaker B: Way further north than you would ever.
[01:31:51] Speaker A: There'S a country island out there.
Shit, epstein.
[01:31:56] Speaker B: Now there's the whole problem.
[01:32:00] Speaker A: Yes, jeffrey Epstein here, reminding you not to just be a part of the problem, but to be the whole problem.
[01:32:06] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
[01:32:08] Speaker A: Epstein didn't kill no, no way. Burning river is worse.
The hottest steak of all. Burning river, burning river, burning river?
[01:32:20] Speaker B: Do you come back to us a burning river?
[01:32:23] Speaker A: Oh, not usually. Not unless something good happens right now.
[01:32:27] Speaker B: Are we done?
[01:32:28] Speaker A: We're done.
[01:32:29] Speaker B: No, we're not.
[01:32:31] Speaker A: On, Dasher. On, Dancer. On, Francer. I'm vixen.
[01:32:37] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:32:39] Speaker A: Behold my Lord Ulrich. The rock, the hard place? Like a wind from goldland he sweeps by? Blown far from his homeland? In search of glory and honor? We walk in the garden of his turbulence?
[01:33:06] Speaker B: What? Did you just use the words dump hole in front butt?
[01:33:15] Speaker A: I mean, I feel like those are semi FCC like, compliant wow.
[01:33:21] Speaker B: Coined here on the burning river sportscast front butt and dump hole.
[01:33:28] Speaker A: What's your name?
[01:33:29] Speaker B: Fuck you. That's my name.
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