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It's time. Time for the Burning River Sportscast. Like an abusive relationship, you know they're wrong for you, but you just can't help but love them. You give them your heart, your soul, your time, your money, your everything, and all you get in return is disappointment. That's the story I saw firsthand this week as we joined our partners, True Fan Travel in New Orleans. The goal was to take over New Orleans, and we sure did. If I had a nickel for every time I heard a local angrily say, why are there so many Brown fans here? I'd have nickel poisoning. I thought there would be like a cool name for nickel poisoning, but it's just nickel poisoning. From the private charter flight to Patta Wheeler on the mighty Mississippi, and all throughout the French Quarter, Browns fans enjoyed the fellowship, the dining and cocktails and the shared love emotion, not to mention time and money on our favorite football team in an enchanting town where the November weather was swell. It was a perfect weekend. Near perfect, that is, until the Browns took the field at 1pm Eastern, and as usual, they ruined it for everyone.
Within minutes, all hope and optimism was erased, and in its stead were left the remains of the 2024 season and what could have been. Because on Sunday in the Superdome, we watched this team breathe their last breath, hummed their last humph and sucked their last suck. They gave up on the rest of this season with a whimper, not a bang. You can only fail your partner, your relationship so many times before someone has to take accountability and grow up and say no more. Fortunately, it seems we've reached that point. And so let the fallout begin. We'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:57] Speaker B: The dude went harder than a trumpet player in a New Orleans marching band.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: If Kevin gets fired this year, do we just retire the coach of the year award altogether? Because it means nothing.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: It means nothing.
[00:03:05] Speaker A: It means absolutely nothing.
[00:03:08] Speaker C: Back street back. All right.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: You think we're the laughing stock of the NFL right now? Is that what you think? Well, I got news for you. The Browns have three prime time Games in the next four.
No, it's absolutely pathetic.
[00:03:22] Speaker C: And that cemented it with Bernie, the boys, the winning everything. And I thought, boy, it won't. With this team and the winning and Bernie, I'll always have great seasons for the rest of my life. And man, was I wrong.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: I'll be honest, that was probably the night I went the hardest. When we had the Hurricanes Unlimited Hurricanes.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: You guys went pretty hard while we were there. The whole time I'm there, I'm thinking, because you know, they do, they, they do the different cheers and things for first downs and third downs and they throw the decibel meter up on the Jumbotron. The whole time I'm thinking, get 70,000 Browns fans in a sold out game in Cleveland.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: 109 decibels, that's as loud as they got in a dome.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: They're going to blow the roof off that place.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: Maybe we shouldn't make it a glass.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: I mean, they're going to crack the glass. Hillary Clinton would be proud.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: As much as I hate Russell Wilson and I hate him, I hate him.
He's playing really well right now. A devastating loss to the Saints. This is one of the worst feeling losses I can remember. And the Cowboys game was only 10 weeks ago. And the Giants game was eight weeks ago. And the Raiders game was seven weeks ago. And the Commanders game was six weeks ago. The Eagles game was five weeks ago. The Bengals game was four weeks ago. The Chargers game was two weeks ago.
[00:04:39] Speaker A: Can we just be just respectful of one another and like, look, I would have supported you. I would have been there if you were by a code.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: Welcome into the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tappin Media. I'm Kenny Thunder, joined today by a gentleman who's just as delicious with a smear of honey as he is with a plop of mayonnaise. The uncrustable red hot rotted jams. We are boneless today. We left him in New Orleans. His wife is pissed.
[00:05:18] Speaker B: No, he's still there.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: There's some bad storms today in northeast Ohio and he is out saving the world as usual.
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[00:06:08] Speaker B: All kinds of stuff. But today on the show, this is what you can look forward to. The week 11 recap, the dog of the week division roundup around the NFL Hot 3 interview with the Brownsbackers group. This week, the Ottawa Browns backers King of the north gassed up week 12 preview and oh, so much more. So if you need a Xanax, I suggest you take it now. Don't worry, we'll wait. And while we're waiting, we're gonna get things started with the burning of our news story of the week.
All right, so this week, for the Burning river news story of the week, the Cleveland Cavaliers are at it again. Well, they have been the whole season. Basically, they've been at it. So the Cleveland Cavaliers, they did just lose. Finally. I say. I don't say finally. I mean, I didn't want them to lose, but they did finally just lose after starting 15. And oh, after starting 15. And oh, they lost to the Celtics, which is a whole other story that I'm pissed off about. But that's not what this is about. This is about starting 15. 0. That was the best start in franchise history, tied for the second best in NBA history. Best start since the 2015 Warriors. They are the top team in the NBA still. Even with the loss and basically everything that the Browns are, the Cavs are not.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: So I just want to highlight them again for the fantastic start that they've had, Donovan Mitchell. Regardless of the fact that Tatum or whoever that was tried to truck him into oblivion, he's still playing in an MVP level and still playing very, very well.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: And this team is just fun to watch.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: They're just a joy.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Especially it's funny because, like, we don't have, like, LeBron superstars. We got, like, like, Donovan Mitchell is as close as you as we have on this team. He's probably a top 10 player in the NBA.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Top 15, at least.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And so like, we don't have the guy. And that's not a knock on Donovan Mitchell at all. He's. He's the guy for us.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: Yeah, he's our guy.
[00:08:10] Speaker B: Yeah, he's our guy. And what I'm getting at, though is they have a lot of that next tier down where it's like, not necessarily.
[00:08:19] Speaker A: Like the top guys in the NBA, but the next guys there. But they have a lot of them.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: Yeah, they have a lot of them. They have quite a few. And they just continue to play very well together. They play for each other. They play hard. Again, back to everything the Browns are, the Cavs are not.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: I think Darius is starting to get some flowers. So, like, we'll see, like, over the next two to three years. Like, I think he might be a name that's mentioned in the top 15.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: We're watching the game against Pelicans right now. There's battle. Sorry, doing battle, which is funny. We just went to New Orleans.
[00:08:50] Speaker A: We're there.
[00:08:51] Speaker B: So. Yeah, so just shout out to the Cavs. Keep doing big things. You at least lift Cleveland spirits a little bit every time the Browns destroy them. So.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: But something else I want to talk about the Cavs. Oh, have you heard of Cavs frog?
[00:09:05] Speaker A: I love Cavs frog.
[00:09:06] Speaker B: So, you know, Caps frog is just. Is literally exactly what I'm saying. It's Caps frog.
[00:09:12] Speaker A: It's just dancing the frog.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: It's a. It's a fan, a super fan. Decided to come in dressed as a blow up frog. One of the, you know, the T. Rex ones that you can get. This one's a frog, Big old frog, just out there doing big things, dancing and cheering during all the games. And it kind of became the staple of this 15 and oh run. It was like Caps frog, I mean.
[00:09:35] Speaker A: Blew up on social media basically overnight.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And you'd see the frog everywhere downtown holding signs that said 14 and oh, 15 and oh, whatever they were at the time. Well, I just saw today, kind of after they lost the game to Boston, there was this video on social media that was almost like Capstrock was going away. Like, oh, Castro was only here for the streak.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: Felt bad.
[00:09:59] Speaker B: But then this morning I saw that they posted and basically Calves frog was spotted in downtown Cleveland today walking sadly through the streets. Well, when the camera finally got on Calves Frog, she. Yes, she's a she. She proceeded to turn around and hold up a sign that said still first in the east and started dancing in the. In the streets of Cleveland. So Cavs frog, it looks like, is here to stay. For this season, at least, if not beyond. And I'm here for it because calf's frog is a lot of fun.
[00:10:29] Speaker A: I like cash.
[00:10:31] Speaker B: All right, well, that's a brilliant take by Kenny.
And then one more thing. Kind of calves adjacent here.
Dan Gilbert has put in a bid to bring back the Cleveland Rockers and share the arena with the Cavaliers. In case anybody doesn't know, the Cleveland Rockers are a WNBA team from back in the day. Don't know the exact years. I just know that it was back in the day and he's looking to bring them back.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: I think they were only. It was from, like, 95 to, like, like 2001 or so. Didn't last a whole long time. But I'm not sure that they're necessarily gonna be reincarnated as the Rockers or not. But I think it would be cool to bring them back as the Rockers.
[00:11:08] Speaker B: But I think that was the. The plan that he put forth.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Well, I think I've heard some other, like, monikers that, like, would more represent, like, the Cavs.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: Like, they would try to get in line or whatever. Just go with the Rockers. Just go with the Rockers and be Cavs colors. It'd be fine.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: I would love them to come back as the Rockers and do the old Cavs colors again. That would be dope. The powder blue and black. Yeah, those are.
[00:11:31] Speaker B: Those are just. They're altern. And you got the City Edition uniforms this year, so you already got the. Like, a kind of a layout for a floor and, like, the arena stuff to make it that color. Yeah, I mean, they're not coming back right now anyway, so it doesn't matter.
[00:11:42] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know what the. Look, obviously the Keel and Clark thing has been a sensation that swept the nation with college basketball and into the WNBA this year. I don't know what the future of women's professional basketball is or college basketball is. I don't know if it'll continue to stay as hot as it is, but I'm never against.
[00:12:01] Speaker B: WNBA is so hot right now.
[00:12:03] Speaker A: I'm never against bringing, you know, potentially more commerce and more activity to downtown Cleveland. I'm all for it.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: The best part is they just share an arena. So it's like, it's. There's nothing new that needs to go in there?
[00:12:13] Speaker A: No, just new. New merchandise and new opportunities to go view games.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: So, yeah, absolutely. I'm in. I'm in. So a lot going on in Cleveland with the basketball team or potentially basketball teams.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: Teams and the Haslams are bringing soccer team too, right?
[00:12:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: So I still think.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah, that's still. I think they're trying to have them. Yeah. I don't really know what's. I haven't heard the status. Well, next week.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: Next week. Next week.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: Next week with that. One more thing. Before we get into the Browns, let me remind everybody to call the Burning River Sportscast.
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[00:13:08] Speaker A: That's what we do.
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[00:13:14] Speaker B: But next up here, usually, usually this is the time where I'd say if you're looking for the weekly recap, you've come to the wrong place. I'd tell you to go back into whichever podcast platform you're watching or listening on and look for our live episode from Sunday night after the game, which.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: We attempted to do.
[00:13:31] Speaker B: However, since we were unable to find sufficient Internet service in New Orleans, there was times when we found like a good spot, but then it seemed like it went away as fast as it came back.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: But unstable.
[00:13:45] Speaker B: Yeah. We weren't able to bring you a live pod that would have given you the video quality that we're comfortable with or audio quality. Yeah. So we decided to kind of combine the Week 11 recap in this episode.
And so, yeah, let's get into the week 11 recap.
All right, Kenny, I'm, I'm going to try and keep this as abbreviated week 11 recap. Cause, yeah, that seems fair.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah, they lost 35 to 14.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Bottom line, they lost bad to a really bad team. So it's not fun to talk about. But let's, let's go ahead and talk about a little bit. We'll start with the Saints coming into this game. We talked about stopping Alvin Kamara because he was more or less their entire team up to this point in the. In the season.
Well, it wasn't Alvin Kamara that we had to worry about. It was Taysom Hill. This dude was a one man wrecking crew against the Browns. Absolutely demolished them. Seven carries, 138 yards. In case you're wondering, that's 19.7 yards per carry, three touchdowns, eight catches, 50 yards, one completed pass, 18 yard for four, 18 yards, one kick return for 42 yards. So in case you're adding all that up, that's 248 all purpose yards. The dude went harder than a trumpet player in a New Orleans marching band.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: They go hard. We know.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: We saw quite a few of them.
What the fuck happened?
[00:15:09] Speaker A: Look, I.
I mean, especially in a game where Jameis played So well through 4 million yards, two touchdowns, no turnovers, which is very unjame like.
And to just have. It's like I don't even understand how the numbers were possible in this game because sky falling. How the numbers were possible in this game because it's like they threw for all these yards but never found the red zone.
We didn't want it.
The times that we were close, we missed field goals, so that was worthless.
[00:15:45] Speaker B: Thanks a lot, Dustin Hopkins.
[00:15:47] Speaker A: Just bad all the way around. I just. The frustrating part about this game is, look, we knew Taysom Hill was going to be involved in some trickery. Trickery in this game. We called the over under number two and a half. When we previewed the game the week prior.
The number of times Taysom Hill got over on this Browns team was close to 10.
And I don't understand how there were no defensive adjustments made at any given point in time to try and stop him. I mean, this team was down there. Two top receivers. They bring in Marquez, Valdez, scaling, who's been. Who's been really good for them in two games. But let's be honest, like, he's not a Justin Jefferson, he's not Jerry Rice, he's not any of these guys.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: And maybe Justin Jefferson's leg.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Yeah, that's about how good he is.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: Just one of them.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: Just one leg. Yeah. Hop around, hop around.
And just the fact that there was no adjustments, I mean, it was frustrating to watch all afternoon long. Every time he got in the game, whether it was a read option, they had him throw the ball once or twice. Kick. I mean, he's on kick returns. He was just getting loose on long runs over and over and over again.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: This was the first time since Jim Schwartz has been here where I know he's not out there actually executing plays. But I was like, to your point, it felt like there was no adjustment made. And I was like, what is Jim Schwartz doing right now?
[00:17:09] Speaker A: No. And it was the same problems that have plugged this defense all year long, which are giving up big plays. You have busted plays, which again, we always talk about defensive Backs like you have. You basically have two keys as deep as the deepest.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: Contain.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: And contain.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Contain. They didn't do one time and contain.
[00:17:23] Speaker A: A part of contain is staying home. Right. You don't want to over pursue on a play. And that was what happened on some of these read options where they were coming in, trying to crash hard on Kamara or whoever that was getting the ball and taste the mill, take off the other way. And there's no one home. There's no one there.
And it's happened all year long with his defense in isolated incidences. And on Sunday, it was. That was the story.
[00:17:46] Speaker B: Oh, man. If I had a nickel for every time that you smacked me and said, why didn't anyone keep contained? I'd have nickel poisoning.
[00:17:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: And it's a funny thing that they don't have another name for nickel poisoning.
[00:17:58] Speaker A: I thought they would for sure be like a scientific name for nickel poisoning that I could throw out there.
[00:18:01] Speaker B: This is my new thing on the show as every. Every show, one time, I have to just like. Like, word for word, repeat everything that he said.
[00:18:07] Speaker A: Do my shtick.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: Yeah, you're welcome.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: But no, I. Yeah, it was insane. They were just. They looked ridiculous out there. I mean. And we'll get to the Browns in a second. I just wanted to point out that Taysom Hill killed us.
[00:18:17] Speaker A: So, I mean, it was the Taysom Hill game. That's the. We're going to remember this for years as the Taysom Hill game.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: And with that, that's. I'm. I'm done with the Saints. That was their team.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: That was their team.
[00:18:26] Speaker B: So onto the Browns. The Browns, for their part, did some pretty remarkable things in the worst way possible in this game. And what I'm talking about is Jameis Winston through for 395 yards, just shy of 400 yards. The Browns offense didn't turn the ball over once. The defense forced two turnovers from the Saints.
Oh. And they still lost by 21 points. In a game that at no point. And I mean at no point, I understand it was tied in the third quarter, but at no point did I ever feel like we had any chance to win this game.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: Even Nick Chubby averaged 4 1/2 yards of carry in this game.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: Yeah, he started to look like he was getting back to at least a little bit to himself, giving him the ball. Well, yeah, there's that. Um. But yeah, I mean, we were there even when they tied it up. Did you think they had a chance? No.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: No, not at all.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I mean, it was kind of like, like we gave the. Not just us, like all the Browns fans that were there, and there were a lot of them. Like, I know there was a lot with true fan travel, but there was a lot of Browns fans there. Just in general. They traveled very well.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: They traveled incredibly well. I mean, just, just. I mean, to, to ballpark a number, I would say 40% of that stadium was brown and orange.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And the Browns fans, when they scored that second touchdown to tie the game in the third quarter, it was a sarcastic cheer from Browns fans like, yay, we finally did something right.
So if that tells you how the stadium, how the game felt, being live and understanding, just momentum and those types of things that you can feel more in the stadium, like, there was at no point, any, any time that I felt like the Browns had a chance.
[00:20:01] Speaker A: No.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: Zero chance. And it felt bad. And the whole thing with, with Jameis Winston, like, it so crazy that at one point in the fourth quarter they put his stats up there. He's at like 377 yards at the time. And all of us looked at each other like, how in the hell. When did he throw for 377 yards today? So it was just wild. But I think the bottom line here is that regardless of how efficient the offense looked at times or how many turnovers the defense forced, this team overall has absolutely given up on the season. Yeah. Regardless of what anybody wants to say, they look disinterested. Yeah. They just don't. The body language is not good when they're on the field.
And I'll say this, this is what I want to point out. This could not be illustrated more clearly than when your boy that you just talked about Marquez Vatican scan, like just when he got the long touchdown pass to him, it was, it was like a mid range pass that he just took to the house.
And on this play, you can see Juan Thornhill, who is.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: I think they were backed up deep. It was like a 90 yard reception.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Juan Thornhill, who has since been nicknamed Jog Thornhill from. You can see him from the middle of the field, just kind of watch the pass be caught and then proceed to jog his entire pursuit route and allow the. Allow him to score like easily, like he didn't even try. And he could have because Ronnie Hickman, like a bat out of hell, flew over there, passed up Juan Thornhill and forced the guy to cut back. So Juan Thornhill could have saved it at like the five. But no, he. He just jogged the entire time. And Juan Thornhill I've got news for you.
You're lucky. You're lucky your ass is even on an NFL roster at this point after the shitty performance you've had all season long.
And this is kind of what we talk about with Andrew Barry. This is what we've been talking about for a while, is the moves look good on paper, right?
It was a big free agent pickup. When Juan Thornhill came over here, everything looked great, you know, but since he's been on our team, what do we get? He's constantly hurting, hurt.
He's never giving full effort. And as a matter of fact, just his stat line since he's been with the Browns. Zero interception, zero forced fumble, zero fumble recovery, zero sacks, one tackle for loss and two. Yes, that is a correct stat. Two total passes defensed since he's been a Cleveland Brown.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: It's pretty good.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: No, it's absolutely pathetic. And again, I'll just say it. You're, you're lucky your ass is even on an NFL roster because you. He's just a complete waste of a spot at this point, especially when you have guys that are out there. I just mentioned Ronnie Hickman, who's, who's springing past him to try and make a play, try and save that touchdown for his team. A younger guy that really wants to be on the team and wants to be here and play for his guys. You got Juan Thornhill just stealing their air, just sucking up space. And I'm just fucking sick of it, to be honest with you. Like, it's just crazy like that. If you just take that play, that's, that's the 2024 Cleveland Browns and I'm just tired of watching it. If those coaches had any backbone whatsoever, that game against New Orleans, that'd be the last snaps Juan Thornhill ever played as a Cleveland Brown.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: You mean their coaches that stood up every week for the entire first seven weeks of the season and said DeSean gives us the best chance to win.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: I didn't say they had a backbone. I said if they had any backbone. So we'll see Juan Thornhill starting on Thursday nights.
[00:23:26] Speaker A: They'll probably give him an award.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: Most Valuable.
[00:23:29] Speaker A: Juan Thornhill gives us the best chance to win.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, just absolute bum. I don't want you, I don't want Juan Thornhill anywhere near this football team with that kind of toxic attitude, that kind of piss poor effort. Like, you're done. I don't care that you have Brownie the Elf tattooed on your arm. Everybody thought that was a big deal. I was Quick to point out. I just want to throw back to that. I was quick to point out he also has his former team on his arm, too, around the NFL shield. So it's really just the teams he's played for. It doesn't actually mean anything for Cleveland.
[00:23:58] Speaker A: Which I would do probably, if I was an NFL player.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: Right. But it doesn't actually. Like, everybody's like, oh, he loves Cleveland. Like, no, he's just an NFL player. And it couldn't be more evident that he got his paycheck and doesn't give a shit than it was on Sunday when they played the Saints.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, I think the sad part is, like, I agree with you want the Royals been bad, but I just think, like, it's already bled off onto a bunch of other guys and you can see just the lack of effort, lack of motivation, lack of motor across the board.
I mean, Jesus, Jed, Will's made a business decision not to play.
I mean, like, it's the same thing with desean. It's the same thing with all these guys. Like, we've said this all year long. Like, this team has. This team has serious problems that have just gone unaddressed for far too long. And it's. Look, once that toxicity leaks into your locker room, it is so hard to get out.
Players have to be bought in. Culture is the toughest thing to change and the toughest, toughest thing to maintain.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: Easiest thing to break. So it seems like we had it for a while and now it's gone.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: I mean, they were having players only meetings in, like, week two, so those worked. Yeah, clearly not, but yeah.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: So, I mean, I don't want to talk about this game anymore. It was just pathetic.
It was not fun to watch. We stayed for the entire thing, and it was painful the entire way.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: I will say this about the game, and we'll get into the New Orleans experience a little later on.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Was cool.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: I was gonna say more about the fans themselves. We were treated very well by.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: Oh, Saints fans were so nice.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: I mean, we've been.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: It could be because their team was ass and they were winning a game handily. So they're like, we're in good spirits.
[00:25:41] Speaker A: I've been to other, like, places and stuff, other stadiums and things. And I mean, the guys that we sat next to were just very pleasant.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: And I will give them that, like, from the rip, like, before the game even started. They're like, hey, how you guys doing? I see your Browns fans, like, what's going on?
[00:25:53] Speaker A: Enjoying the city. Like, it was very and told us.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: Places that we should go, try and eat, like, all those types of things. Like, it was awesome.
[00:26:00] Speaker A: Very cordial. And even after the game and, like, they were just happy to have won. I mean, they're. I don't get the sense that they're a rabid fan base in the same way that, like, Cleveland is where we. Like, we were pretty much walking the street all weekend long. Like, the Saints suck. The Browns are gonna win. Go. You know, here we go. Brownies chants everywhere. Browns fans just slapping hands. That's what we do down Bourbon street and just talking mad shit. And like, these are the people in New Orleans could have been nicer to us.
[00:26:26] Speaker B: Yeah, they were so nice. I will. Maybe not as rabid, but that guy, I want to give. I apologize, I don't have his name off top of my head, but I want to give him props. The guy that was sitting next to us, I know he followed us on Facebook and some other things. So if you're out there, call the Burning River Sportscast hot take hotline and give me your name. 332 780.
But he just. He specifically said that he drives. He lives an hour outside of the city, and he has season tickets and has been there for every home game. So, like, that's a pretty good fan. Like, so they do have some very good fans, but if nothing else, they're some of the nicest fans I've ever talked to.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Ever. They were just very pleasant.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: Yeah, but I talked a lot about Juan Thornhill on the opposite side of the spectrum. Let's get into the Burning River Sportscast Dog of the week, baby.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: Doesn't matter, man. You gotta play tough people in the National Football League. You gotta be ready. And we gotta be the dogs that we are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack and don't stop until.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: All right, so after the fan vote that was conducted on our social medias this week. That's right. In case you didn't, we put a poll up on Mondays, see who you guys think should be the dog of the week. You get to vote on it all day Monday and on Tuesday.
We know.
[00:27:40] Speaker A: The dog of the week.
[00:27:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And so this week, the nominees were. Kenny nominated Jerry Judy. I nominated Jamis Winston, and Bone nominated Elijah Moore. And without further ado, this week's Burning River Sportscast Dog of the week is.
Jerry Judy Long. Drum roll. This week.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Jerry was one of the few bright spots of this game. Literally, very few bright spots in this game. But we did have Fun. I mean, he got a number of targets and they seemed to be meaningful ones all game long. Had a couple of big plays as well. We were having our own fun in the stands, yelling, if you want to win, put Jerry Judy in.
And that was one of the few things that Judy chant, kind of like a Rudy chant. It was Judy one of the few things we had fun doing at the game outside of watching the Browns loose.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: Drinking lots of beer. But now he had six receptions, 142 yards, in case you're wondering. Yards per catch, 23.7 along of 89. And that 89 yarder was the touchdown. So Jerry Judy, this week's Burning River Sports cast dog of the week. All right, so in other Browns news here, first of all, I just. I want to say this. I saw on social media that Mary Kay Cabot put something out and then it was corroborated by several other people. I think it was Jordan Hicks, if I'm not mistaken, came out and said, basically confirmed that J. OK suffered a serious neck injury. That even though he's okay, you know, as far as he got out of the hospital, he regained all his feeling and his extremities and everything, that it may be more of an uphill battle to get back on the field than was originally thought. Um, I mean, Mary Kay Cabot, it kind of hinted that he may never play again.
[00:29:39] Speaker A: Kind of. I. Her exact quote was, as it stands, no one has said if he'll be able to resume his NFL career and at the very least, he'll have to undergo another extensive round of scans before he gets back on the field.
[00:29:53] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, just not something that you want to hear. Kevin Stefanski did come, which, you know, we all know by now, you can't take Kevin Stefanski's word in press conferences. He did come out and say, J. OKAY is doing fine. We're looking at the timetable. There's possibility he'll be returning whatever else.
But he did not, you know, vehemently. Like, he didn't come out and say, I'm shutting these. These rumors down. Like, he's fine. He's going to play again. He. And we all know Mary Kay Cabot actually works for the Browns. So.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's never a good look when there's disconnect between the media and the coaching staff anyways. But look, the season's also lost, so even if he.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: There's really no point in having.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: Even if he recovers fully and is totally fine, like, there's no point bringing him back this year. So I don't know. I don't know why Kevin wouldn't have at least kind of alluded to that, that, like, he probably has several weeks of recovery ahead of him and it's unlikely that he'll see the field this year.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
So regardless, though, I wanted to talk about this just to say that I know on this show, I know kind of across Cleveland, J okay has really endeared himself to these fans. We all love J. Okay. We love his style of play. We love everything that J. Okay stands for.
So, you know, we're. We're all. First and foremost, we hope that J okay continues to recover and makes it back as close to 100% as humanly possible. And at the very least, to be able to kind of resume a normal life physically outside of football. Like, whether you get back to football or not, at this point, we don't care. We want you to have a full and meaningful life outside of football.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: It's all. I mean, it's also just the whole thing a little bizarre. I mean, I know he took a big hit from Derek Henry, but it wasn't one like, you know, where we've seen other, like, dirty hits or things where you're like, yeah, that was devastating. Like, it was just. It was just a normal. It was a normal looking play, but it was just speed on speed. And it's interesting that they haven't really. They haven't really revealed any kind of diagnosis outside of the fact that it's a neck injury. So.
[00:32:04] Speaker B: Yeah, my thought is, I'm wondering if he, like, almost like cracked like a vertebrae or herniated a disc or something.
[00:32:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it almost sounds like a herniated disc of some sort. That's in a tricky place because, I.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Mean, I'm not a doctor, so I don't claim to know these things.
[00:32:20] Speaker A: Right. But it's just interesting that they haven't specified kind of exactly what it is. So we'll keep an eye on that as well.
[00:32:27] Speaker B: Yeah. But thoughts out to J. Okay. Hopefully he gets better sooner rather than later. And again, number one goal, normal life outside of football. If you can make it back to football, we want you back. But get better.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: Well, those are the sobering reminders, too, that as much as we all love this game and we love the violence that comes with it, that it is violent. Like with Ryan Shazir, I mean, there's just sometimes weird shit happens in a weird way and it's just really, really unfortunate. So, yeah, hopefully, hopefully he'll be all right.
[00:32:56] Speaker B: Yep. And then Tony Grossi tweeted out after Sunday's game that he would not be surprised if a decision was reached on Vrabel later this week after the Steelers game. And we might be seeing the final days of Kevin Stefanski in Cleveland.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it seems like a weird time for this. I don't.
Look, I don't know that, like firing Kevin Stefanski right now. Now, I guess it gives some. The fans some red meat that you're finally willing to do something.
I don't have a problem with Kevin finishing the season. I don't think Kevin should be back for next year. I don't think Andrew Berry should be back for next year.
I've lost. I've lost faith in both of those guys to do their job over time. And. But. But I don't know.
I like Vrabel, and so I would hate to see Vrabel inserted as an interim now because I think that means that there's very little chance that he could return on this coaching staff or potentially as the head coach next year.
So I'd like to see Variable's name in that mix of guys to replace Kevin next year. So that's the only thing I worry that if he becomes the interim and they lose the rest of their.
[00:34:05] Speaker B: It rarely leads to the permanent head coaching job.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: Right, Right.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: Yeah. And I agree with that. Yeah. I thought it was weird timing as well. But the only thing that I will say, I think it's something stupid like seven to the eight.
The last seven of the last eight coaches to be fired in Cleveland happened right after a Steelers loss.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: Well, true. That's when we're the most pissed off usually.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, you know, just with the way this season has gone to your point, I think it just signals like, okay, yeah, we understand this is unacceptable.
[00:34:38] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I think it's also interesting because you have to think about. We don't. None of us know what ownership is thinking. Right. I mean, I think.
[00:34:45] Speaker B: I think it's all speculation from everybody, regardless of what they want to try and tell you and who they know. It's all speculation.
[00:34:50] Speaker A: Our end, it's like anything is on the table. But maybe the Hasms are saying, hey, let's give Vrabel a test run with this group and see how much is he able to bring this team together in some way, win a couple games down a stretch, that we would feel good enough with him leading most of this nucleus back on the field next year with a few small changes.
[00:35:11] Speaker B: Or.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: Or, you know, do we try variable and say okay, well, he. He didn't do anything, so we need wholesale changes.
It's anybody's guess at this point. I just. I would. I would hate to see Vrabel tainted by what I feel like at this point is a lost roster and a lost cause.
Cause I do think that he's an interesting name to at least be in the mix for head coach next year.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:34] Speaker A: Provided that Kevin's not going to be here.
[00:35:36] Speaker B: Yeah. That's all fair. This is the consequence of not being able to do our live show on Sunday, because I had. I know that we talked about this a lot. Just. Just, you know, plane ride home, everything else, all the traveling we were doing.
The scenario where you, Kevin Stefanski gets fired this week and Vrabel gets plugged in, and I actually, you know, not that I'm four or five. I'm with you as far as, like, just let them finish the season, whatever.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: But if they were going to do that, they should have done it earlier in the season.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. But with that being said, if they did it, I also probably wouldn't be mad. And here's what I'll say about it is I actually like the idea of if you say we do have a lot of talent on this team, regardless of what the record shows and what happened this year, we do have a lot of talent, and we know it.
I mean, what's to say that you go with Vrabel, you keep Jim, and that allows you to keep Jim Schwartz? Because you're saying it was mostly the offense, which it has been mostly the offense. You get rid of Andrew Berry, you get rid of Kevin Stefanski, you get rid of Deep Podesta because his ass should have been gone three years ago.
And you make Vrabel the head coach, you keep Jim Schwartz on defense. And I think it does a couple things, is I think it rejuvenates the defense a little bit. I mean, Vrabel is a defensive guy, but then it Also on offense, you know what Vrabel will do that we haven't had the last several years. He'll run the ball.
[00:37:01] Speaker A: He would run the ball. That's true.
[00:37:03] Speaker B: He'll run the ball. And I know that there's. You say what you will about the problems with the offensive line and everything else, but I think one of the biggest things we've been lacking, and I think the Saints game was a perfect example of it, was you don't commit to the run game. Yeah, like, sure, James wins it through for 400 yards. What did it get you? It Got you absolutely nothing.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: We say it over and over again on this show. You win games by running the ball and playing good defense. That's.
[00:37:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:27] Speaker A: Having, having Patrick Mahomes is an absolute luxury. Sure. And that's why they've won so many Super Bowls. Great. But, but those, those teams, even with Patrick Mahomes play, I mean their defense was stellar last year.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:42] Speaker A: And they found ways to run the ball. So I mean you, you have to be able to churn tough yardage out in the third and fourth quarter. You have to be able to extend drives and keep the clock moving. And that's the way you do it. Because James Winston could throw for 400 yards and it doesn't matter.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: Right. So I don't know. That's my take on it is I actually am almost to the point again. I'm. I'm not there yet. But just because I'm like, just let him finish the season and start fresh next year. Give it a whole new year, whole new perspective from the players, all that stuff. But if you're going to do it, then Vrabel to me is the guy and you go with it. And I think it may work. Well, the personnel, not that it's going to save the season, but it may work.
[00:38:24] Speaker A: The personnel move that I would prefer to see at this point is for Ken Dorsey to just go, well, he would go too.
[00:38:30] Speaker B: I didn't even mention that. But that would be part of it.
[00:38:32] Speaker A: Clearly hasn't worked. I prefer that at least they finish the season. Let Stefanski, he call plays and finish the season with his offense and just see if it makes a difference. I mean, see if it's at all better.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: I think this season actually is a very good example of the grass isn't always greener. We've, including us, we've all called for Jesus.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: You know, I've been saying this since day one with debate going back to the Baker wars. The grass isn't always greener. Like you had a quarterback here that was winning you football game for two decades. We said if we just had a marginally average quarterback, this team actually would be 500 or maybe better. We fight, finally get one that was decent, he got hurt and you kicked him out of town.
Whether we wanted something better, we were in the playoffs for the first time in 30 years, won a playoff game and we were like, well, we gotta get, we gotta do something better. Right. There's something better out there. It's gotta be right. Let's go get it.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: Damn the torpedoes, whatever it takes.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: Yeah. So a couple things.
[00:39:26] Speaker A: We damned the torpedoes and here we are.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: Yeah, a couple things. That's not where I was going with my grass is greener, but it's a valid point. My grass is greener was just the fact that for years we've all been calling for Kevin Stefanski for the past few years to stop calling plays while we finally. He finally brought a guy in that was going to run the offense, and now he's letting him call plays, and it's worse than ever.
So there's that.
But you actually, you know, you. You bring up a very good point with Baker. Because I just want to say, like, this is. That's where we went wrong. And I'm not saying, you know, who cares about your feelings on Baker and all that stuff? But the bottom line is Kevin Stefanski, Andrew Barry, that whole front office, they got greedy.
Instead of being content with winning games, instead of being content with continuing to build your team and continuing to go in the right direction, like you said, damn the torpedoes, they sold their souls. They sold their draft picks and they. They said, we're going to win right now.
Bad job out of them.
We've kind of come to learn they're pretty bad talent evaluators.
[00:40:35] Speaker A: Literally, the opposite happens.
[00:40:36] Speaker B: And so now we're back in the, you know, just in the bottom of the entire league trying to scratch our way just to. Just to get a few wins every week.
[00:40:45] Speaker A: What I wouldn't give to watch a hurt Baker Mayfield win seven football games this year.
[00:40:50] Speaker B: That'd be awesome. That'd be awesome. Jesus. And then, just so. Just so everybody knows, Browns fans, you think we're the laughing stock of the NFL right now? Is that what you. Well, I got news for you. The Browns have three prime time games in the next four their Thursday Night Football this week, next week on Monday Night Football, they've got a normal week against the Steelers. So that's. A lot of people will be watching that and then another Thursday Night Football game to follow that up. So just strap in because any of.
[00:41:22] Speaker A: Those get flexed out?
[00:41:23] Speaker B: No, actually, there's not there. There's. None of those are flexible games, including the Monday night game. They said they're a lot locked in.
[00:41:30] Speaker A: Networks gotta be kicking themselves.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: Yeah. So. Yeah. So strap in, Browns fans. Like I said, you think you're the laughing stack now. Give it about a month and everyone not gonna be good.
[00:41:41] Speaker A: And we'll get to see your.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: And by the way, hard knock starts December 8th.
[00:41:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I can't wait.
[00:41:47] Speaker B: So, you know, I'm sure a Lot of this drama has been captured behind the scenes, and a lot more is going to come out.
[00:41:54] Speaker A: I don't even know that we're going to see that much in Hard Knocks, to be honest. Like, we were all excited about Hard Knocks being the AFC north this year.
[00:41:59] Speaker B: It's going to be the Ravens and the Steelers show.
[00:42:01] Speaker A: Browns are going to be a footnote in this series because they're just so. No one's going to. No one cares. No one's going to want to launch it. So they want ratings. They'll stick to the teams that are winning. It'll be played up. Ravens vs Steelers the rest of the year. And Joe Burrow having an MVP season on a bad football team.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Yep. And so speaking of the division and the division race, let's get into the division roundup.
[00:42:23] Speaker A: God, man. This week.
This week feels bad.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: Oh, it does feel bad.
Listen, so for the division roundup, we'll start with Baltimore. Baltimore and Pittsburgh. I guess Baltimore traveled to Pittsburgh to take on the Steelers, and they came up just short. And this week does feel bad because it was kind of a make or break week for me and you as far as, like, competing with how we're.
[00:42:54] Speaker A: Going to turn things around.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: Like, we could still. We could still technically catch up, but.
[00:42:57] Speaker A: Like, there's a lot of football.
[00:42:59] Speaker B: But that one hurt. That one hurt because we, me and you picked the opposite of bone for all the games.
[00:43:04] Speaker A: This week wasn't a death blow, but it was a painful.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: It wasn't good.
[00:43:08] Speaker A: No.
[00:43:10] Speaker B: But I love you.
[00:43:12] Speaker A: What also is, I mean, there's no real winners here. I hate Baltimore and I hate Pittsburgh.
[00:43:17] Speaker B: I would have picked both of them.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: To lose, but all year long, I've kind of felt like Baltimore was the class of the AFC North. And now I have to admit that Pittsburgh is the best team in the AFC North.
[00:43:26] Speaker B: So you followed me last week. I admitted that I was wrong about Pittsburgh all year. And then this week, you're.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: Oh, you're. I mean, we knew, like, we knew they were good. They got better in the off season. Right.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: I mean, we should have stuck to our guns. Because if you listen to our off season shows, like, all we talked about is how the Steelers are probably going to win the division.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: They got Patrick Queen, they got two good quarterbacks to come in to replace Kenny Pickett. And the Mason river, the mess that they had in that room. Like, we knew they were going to be better. We didn't know how much better they were going to be.
This is. This is good football. I mean, they're they're having some issues in the red zone right now on offense, but I would assume Mike Tomlin is probably shitting on those guys every day at practice trying to get that thing right.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: They probably smell so bad.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, they're going, they're, they're unlike the Browns. They're going to make adjustments to do better.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: That's what they do. So Mike Tomlin still the best coach in. Phenomenal, possibly in football. Like, he's just really good. Really, really good. I go back to, I made that, that real a couple years ago. Mike Tomlin greater than Kevin Stefanski. And it just, at this point, it once again rings true. I know people were. People tried to debate it last year and say two time coach of the year out of last four, Mike Tomo is barely 500.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: If Kevin gets fired this year, do we just retire the coach of the year award altogether? Because it means nothing.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: It means nothing.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: It means absolutely nothing.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But. But yeah. So needless to say, me and you were both wrong here. Bone was right.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: That feels bad.
[00:44:55] Speaker B: So that felt bad.
[00:44:56] Speaker A: It wasn't like, it wasn't like, let's be fair.
[00:44:59] Speaker B: They had a chance to take tie, the Ravens had a chance to tie it at the end and then they just, they ran a bad two point conversion play.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: I gotta, I gotta believe that that game has left a really bad taste in their mouth.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree.
Next up, the Bengals went out west to battle the Chargers. And they too came up just short, which, that, that was a really good game.
Crazy comeback by the Bengals in the third and fourth quarter.
[00:45:21] Speaker A: It was 27 to 6 at one point in the third quarter.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So.
But in the end, they still lost. That has to be the most frustrating, frustrated organization because the Browns, like, the Browns are really bad. It's just like apathy, like nobody cares anymore. They just, they're not frustrated. They're just like, nah. The Bangles come up just short in every single game they ever play. They're like, if you guys would just play defense for like a second week, we could have a chance. But they don't.
[00:45:47] Speaker A: They kind of suck.
[00:45:49] Speaker B: So.
[00:45:50] Speaker A: Burrow has been great though.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Joe Burrow still playing it at MVP level. Me and you both Wrong Bone. Right.
And then obviously the Browns traveled to New Orleans to take on the Saints and they too came up. Just.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: Sure they did.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. It was a blowout. It was really bad. Really, really, really, really, really, really bad. And we were all wrong on that we were, you know, we were hyped because we were going to the game.
I think deep down we all knew we were going to lose.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: I agree. We should have just picked with our brains and not our hearts there.
[00:46:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: Um, but I also was optimistic because I was like, this is the. I mean, the Saints aren't a good football team.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: Well, you said it. You start looking at your schedule and you say, where can we get a win?
[00:46:29] Speaker A: This is one of the few games you might have a chance to win. Left on your schedule, you would think.
[00:46:33] Speaker B: They would have came out hype and, like, ready to go. And it was not that at all.
[00:46:38] Speaker A: Not even close.
[00:46:38] Speaker B: And so for the AFC North. Oh, we were all wrong, by the way, in case I didn't mention that. We all got. For the AFC north standings are as follows. Pittsburgh all alone, up top at 8 and 2. Baltimore in second at 7 and 4. Cincinnati at 4 and 7. And then Cleveland way down where they belong at 2 and 8. And I say that with all love, but I.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: It's all love.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: And so the current king of the north standings, Bone, currently sits in first place at 20 and 17, and then Kenny and me, in that order due to tiebreakers 17 and 20.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: I thought of an alternate punishment today.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: Oh, did you?
[00:47:14] Speaker A: What was it in the event vended?
[00:47:15] Speaker B: We can't do that.
[00:47:16] Speaker A: We can't get a permit or. Yeah, something.
[00:47:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:22] Speaker A: You have to eat hot dogs until you throw up.
[00:47:30] Speaker B: You have to eat them until you throw up?
[00:47:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, at some point you'll throw up.
[00:47:34] Speaker B: Why can't. Why can't we just say, like, you have to eat like, 50 hot dogs in one sitting?
[00:47:38] Speaker A: No, you have to eat them until you puke.
[00:47:40] Speaker B: I don't know if I think you.
[00:47:41] Speaker A: Will puke before you get to 50.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: Possibly.
[00:47:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I think I could eat like 12 and I might die.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Can we say 50 or until you puke?
[00:47:53] Speaker A: No, I think you have to puke.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: I don't know. Then I'm not. I'm not ready to sign on yet.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: Let's puke up the hot dogs.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: I'm not ready to sign on yet.
[00:48:01] Speaker A: Do you think you can eat 50 hot dogs, not puke?
[00:48:03] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:48:04] Speaker A: All right, I'll call it 50 because I know you and Bowen can't eat 50 hot dogs.
[00:48:07] Speaker B: I don't have the authority to give you the. Yes.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: Right.
[00:48:10] Speaker B: Right here.
[00:48:11] Speaker A: You can't eat 50 hot dogs. But I'm fine with 50. 50 or puke.
[00:48:15] Speaker B: That's fine. I'm not arguing that Point. I'm just saying I need Bone here to help me make a decision, and he's not here today. Bone's out saving the world.
[00:48:21] Speaker A: Fair enough. You want piece of all the action?
[00:48:22] Speaker B: So noted. And we will talk about it.
Calm down over there.
But, Kenny, you know what it's time for?
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Oh, man. Anything other than Brown stock.
[00:48:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It's going to be something else. I think it's time for another. Another interview.
[00:48:39] Speaker A: Oh, I'm fine with that.
[00:48:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And so something that we started doing last year and we're going to continue this year, we're going to continue it as long as we're doing the podcast because we love to highlight these groups is the Brownsbackers interview series worldwide. So, yeah, we just want to highlight another brownsbackers group because they're diehard fans are doing great for their communities. And today's guest is actually very special because he's very much involved with Brownsbackers worldwide as a whole, too. So.
[00:49:06] Speaker A: And we should say, too, we generally follow the team geographically around the country.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: But we do do, due to scheduling conflicts with some of the people I reached out to and things like that, we did bring on a somebody that's not in Cleveland area for this home game.
[00:49:22] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:49:22] Speaker B: And so with that, let's go ahead and get into the next interview in the series.
[00:49:30] Speaker A: Powered by Riverside fm.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: All right, so for this Brown packers interview, please help me welcome from our n neighbors to the north of the president of the Ottawa Brownsbackers, Kenny Mac.
Let's go, Browns.
[00:49:49] Speaker C: That is the most sucked up that anybody's been playing or doing anything for the Browns in, like three weeks, you know, without effort last week. But I'll let you guys get into it. I'll let you guys get into it.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: No, we got. We got Kenny Mac on the show, so we're excited.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: We got to bring the energy.
[00:50:04] Speaker B: We're excited. So, Kenny, first of all, first of all, thank you so much for joining us. How are you? How are things up north?
[00:50:12] Speaker C: It's not too bad. It's getting a little cold up here. We're about eight and a half hours away from you guys, kind of diagonal north. You take Syracuse, I believe it's what, 81 up to Canada, and then I go about two and a half more hours north, and that's where I am. But a bit of my story, how I became a Browns fan, I actually grew. Grew up. Now, if you go to Cleveland Stadium, okay. Or Huntington bank, let's say, and you go in a boat right at that stadium, and you Go due north till you hit Canada. That's where I grew up, a little village called Erie Beach. So there's a pocket of us that were out of town so we didn't get cable. So we could get Detroit or we could get Cleveland just depending where our rotor was. Right. Well when I moved to Erie Beach I was about five years old, that was 1980. And yeah, I'll be almost 50. So I've been watching the Browns for a long, long time. And part of the reason I'm a Browns fan is you're not going to believe this. We had a really bad storm and our rotator got stuck. We never fixed it, got stuck on Cleveland. So I watched Channel 3, Channel 5, Channel 8, Channel 19, Channel 43, blah blah blah. So I'm a fan of Cleveland sports. I've been in Canada long enough where I do cheer for the Jays and the Raptors, but I'm die hard, die hard football. So it's Buckeyes Browns only. The only other football team I cheer for is we have a CFL team up here called the Ottawa Red Blacks. But that's how, how I became a fan because they had.
We also got the radio stations. Radio station that I listened to when I was young was called Power108. I don't know, that might have been before your guys time. But all I remember, I just assume.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: When people say it might have been before our time, it was probably before our time.
[00:51:52] Speaker C: I just assumed that yeah, it was kind of like a pop station or whatever. But I remember on that station when the Browns won there was like 15 songs they would play in a row like Bernie, Bernie. Oh yeah, we're going the super bowl, you know that. And then there was a T shirt for every damn event that anything Browns related ever. Now there still is, you know and I just thought it was freaking cool that there was a dog pound. But what cemented it is when I was talking about the CFL or earlier my cousin played in the cfl, okay, he was traded to the Alouettes. They folded actually the first time in 87. I think I have my timelines right here. 87 was a strike year for the NFL and so he was a scab. If you guys don't know what a scab is. Scab was were the guys that crossed the line or they the owners hired in spite of the NFL player players. And then when the players crossed the line he was one of the only scabs that were signed to a contract. But he was a practice squatter and he got in one legit game in 1988. Spent like two and a half years with the Browns in the practice squad. And that cemented it with Bernie, the boys, the winning everything. And I thought, boy, it won't. With this team and the winning and Bernie, I'll always have great seasons for the rest of my life. And, man, was that wrong.
[00:53:20] Speaker B: That's an awesome story, Kenny. And you just. That whole thing that you just told just reminded me of the plot of one of my favorite football replacements, the Replacements.
And yeah, I mean, that's an awesome story. And the fact that you are literally a Browns fan by fate is phenomenal.
[00:53:37] Speaker A: Correct?
[00:53:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, we were about two and a half hour drive to Cleveland. So I was in Cleveland as a young lad and, you know, we could go see the Blue Jays there. We did like the Indians, they were called the Indians back then. And you know, so we do. I do enjoy Cleveland and I got a funny story about Cleveland. So, you know, I'm up here in Ottawa and I tell people I'm going to Cleveland. They're like, oh, Cleveland, like, why are you going there? And they're And I'm like, cleveland's a great time. And they're like, oh, I don't know. I've heard it's bad. I go, go, listen, have you been there? Well, no, I haven't. Oh, well, then how do you know it's bad? Is it media? Is it like, did you read a book? Like, what's going on here? And then as soon as I bring people to Cleveland, we get past the PA line back to Canada. As soon as we pass the PA line, people are like, man, when can I come back with you? You know, it's every time. Great sports town, great food. I'm a big craft brewery guy. I got Hoodletown brewing on from Dover, Ohio, and nice. Man, oh man, I just love that city. It's a good time.
[00:54:49] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, I. It's. We don't think about it much because we live here, so we take it for. We take it for granted, but it really is an underrated city because we just went to New Orleans and it was great. And I can see why it's a party town. I could see a lot of the draw for it and stuff. Stuff. But there's always things about every other city you go to that make you kind of have just more and more of a appreciation for the city of Cleveland. Like when you come back to it.
[00:55:19] Speaker A: Like, we were there for four days. Yeah, I was ready to come home.
[00:55:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:24] Speaker C: Yeah, no doubt.
[00:55:25] Speaker B: Cleveland I mean, it just. It is. It is just a nice, nice city to be there. And like you said, especially during football season, I mean, there's nothing better than being here during football season, especially if the Browns are winning, which unfortunately they're not right now. But that's a whole other story. So, Kenny, I know you're not just a football fan now. I mean, you've turned this into something bigger, something that you have a little bit of a platform and you're able to make a difference. So tell us a little bit about your chapter up there and what you guys are getting into.
[00:55:56] Speaker C: Yeah. So. 19. Sorry. 19. Boy. I'm dating myself here in 2019.
So I always wanted to put this together. And through goal setting at a previous job, I knew that the Browns backers were a thing for years. And in that goal setting, we always had our personal aspirations. And my aspiration was to start my own Brownsbacker crew. And in starting that, I just wanted to hang out with guys that watch the Browns, enjoy the players, maybe enjoy Cleveland, because I go. And that's what I did in 219 now was kind of riding the wave of Baker Mayfield. Right. So, I mean, maybe previous to the that there wouldn't have been as much draw or whatever it is. You know, you have to have the right relationship to do it, too. You got to have the right partner on your side. And I have that, like, she comes with me to a Cleveland. We have a great time.
So I started it up, and I literally started it up May 2019, so I could just ride that wave right in. And I've got a hilarious story for you. So I'm trying to find people. I have basically signed up at the time. For a Brownsbacker, you only needed five. Okay. So I had myself, my girlfriend, my daughter, my. One of my managers at work. And then I had another. Oh, my buddy Stu, who's a Browns fan, right? So I had my five people and I'm like wearing my Browns gear, handing out cards and that kind of stuff. Well, I'm at this. This festival that they have every year in Ottawa called Blues Fest. And it's not blues, it's everything. It just happens to be called Blue Fest, Blues Fest. And you're not going to believe the concert I was at. I'm with. I brought my girlfriend and my mother in law and we're at the Backstreet Boys. And I'm like, man, oh man, I do not want to see this. So I go see the old school band America, right? And then I go See, I forget her name. I go see another kind of rock girl. And then I. I am so, like, destitute not to see the Backstreet Boys that I'm gonna go watch the local university band go play, and it's done. So I'm like, I got no choice. I gotta go see the background street boys. Well, I'm full head to toe. Browns gear, hat, Baker Mayfield shirt, shorts, everything. I'm walking through and I hear, Baker Mayfield.
Baker Mayfield. And I turn around, I'm like, you guys like, the Browns? Are you just, like, mocking me? Like, what's going on here? They're like, no, we went to Cleveland. We brought the game. We were at the game where that you beat the Giants, and you guys got your first game winning, like, so. So in 31 games or whatever. Right? And so those are my first five.
Yeah, those were my first five backers. So I. All of a sudden, I was up to 10 backers. Now in our group, we have about 156. We get anywhere from 10 to 30 out a game. We're at Mulligan's Golf Bar, so we actually get the chance to throw the games on through the golfing simulators. So you're watching the game high def on, I'd say, loosely, 10 by 20 screen. It's fantastic. I mean, when the Browns win, you got grass in. You can actually kneel down with the team, and it looks like you're kneeling down on the field. It's fantastic.
[00:59:12] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:59:12] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: Well, you should have 159 members now, because one of the things that we do every week when we interview brownsbackers clubs is we make sure we go online on Worldwide and join.
[00:59:25] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm telling you my Facebook numbers because that's at 50. Right? You guys were on there. That was at 50. But I just find people are a little bit hesitant to give their names out. And I get more people on my. In my Facebook numbers than I do my. You guys signed up for the portal, and I did get that. And thank you very much, because that does help me out a little bit, too.
[00:59:48] Speaker B: Yep. No problem. And I know, I mean, you're involved with the brownsbackers as a whole, too. I mean, not just. Not just your club. Correct.
[00:59:56] Speaker C: Yeah. So in 2019, I went through my first president summit. And for those of you guys that don't realize if you are backed by the Cleveland Browns, there's really two things. You just support them in a positive manner.
Players, whoever's on the team, anything related with the team, and then you also Just positively promote your viewing parties so you always have a place for Browns packers across the world, and you also raise money for different charities in the area. Did this for a couple years, and once Covid's done, I went back to my other president summit. I was getting to know a lot of people at the time, and I was very active on our forum group. And I was just asked, would you be interested to be on the leadership council? I was like, yeah. I mean, I got a smaller chapter. I don't know. I kind of kicked it around a little bit. And I was driving back, and every year, I always bring a buddy that's part of my crew up here in the Ottawa Brownsbackers. And he's like, hey, man, you know what? He goes, you really passionate about it. I think, you know, I heard they asked you, you should at least apply, because then you'll know what you did wrong the next year, and then you'll. Once you feel a little bit more, like, easier to get in there. And so I'm like, yeah, you know what? I'll do it. So I put all. Everything in. I put it in. And all of a sudden I was on, and I'm like, oh, well, my first year, I learned a lot. I got to meet even more people. And then I got pulled aside. They're like, hey, what do you think about being a the vp? And I'm like, that's fantastic. I would love to do that. So I'm the VP this year. I'll be the president next year. And I'm just having the time of my life. Like, this has been the best ever. So I get to help plan these backer bashes. I've got to meet Vince from True Fan. It's been awesome.
[01:01:47] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I mean, that's all fantastic stuff, you know, that you're doing with the Brownsbackers Worldwide, you know, awesome. Good. You know, good on you kind of climbing that ladder there as far as the ranks on that leadership council. It's pretty awesome that we have the future president of the brownsbackers Worldwide on our show right now. I mean, I feel like I should. Do you bow? Do you kneel? Like, what do we do here?
[01:02:14] Speaker C: You know, what we do is we crush beers and we crush beers and have a good time. That's what we got to do. So we missed you the previous week for the Chargers game. But, hey, man, it is what it is. And, you know, we all got to take care of other stuff, but we'll get together when I'm in Cleveland and we'll have a good time. And that'll be the. The Presidential Inn. You have to have a beer with me.
[01:02:36] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah. Unfortunately, you know, real work gets in the way sometimes and they call me away and make me do things.
But no.
So you. One of the things you mentioned throughout the, you know, talking about the brownsbackers is your charity work work. Just. Just curious. What, what kind of community service or charity work are you guys doing up there in Ottawa?
[01:02:56] Speaker C: So there's three big initiatives for our Browns backers crew. It was voted on by my crew that they wanted something specific to do with Ottawa. So we do the food bank and it's a great way to kick off the year. You're basically raising money from kickoff, like the first game of the year all the way to Thanksgiving. Now, Canadian Thanksgiving is the second weekend of October and then what ends up happening is from October.
[01:03:22] Speaker B: Wait, wait.
[01:03:24] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:03:24] Speaker B: Before we go any further.
[01:03:26] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:03:26] Speaker A: Explain this way.
[01:03:28] Speaker B: How did that come about? Like I, I just apologize. I'm American and you know, we just, we're so self absorbed. We don't know anything about anywhere else. But how did, how did. What.
[01:03:40] Speaker A: What is Canadian Thanksgiving?
[01:03:41] Speaker C: So it's always the second weekend of October and the reason is the seasons that you can cultivate crop. Basically we're by the time you guys. Well, I don't know with global warming now, but by the time you guys have Thanksgiving, we're covered in like 2ft of snow, you know, so the, the harvest has been long, long gone since that time. That's why you're basically looking between like you go to Texas or let's say the Panhandle, go all the way up to, to Canada where it's still livable and you look at like the way that the seasons go and then ours is has to because it. There's less of a season to do anything. You know what I mean? And that's what it is.
[01:04:24] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[01:04:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:04:26] Speaker B: This interview has not only been entertaining, but educational.
[01:04:30] Speaker A: I feel like there's a lot of. Yeah.
[01:04:32] Speaker C: As long as somebody's taken away some from it, you know what I mean? So.
[01:04:35] Speaker A: And then there's a lot about Canada I don't know.
[01:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:04:39] Speaker C: Hey man, you guys come up and watch a CFL game with me and a whole bunch of different roles. It's a good time.
[01:04:45] Speaker B: That's wild too. What they got a really big field, isn't it? A much bigger field and like what are the 12 guys or whatever it is.
[01:04:51] Speaker C: Yeah, 12 guys. 110.
Yeah.
[01:04:55] Speaker B: See, I know all about Canadian football.
[01:04:57] Speaker C: It's a wider field, but I can't tell you the depth. But our end zones are 20 yards as well, not 10.
[01:05:05] Speaker B: That'd be wild.
[01:05:06] Speaker A: It's hard to cover.
[01:05:07] Speaker C: Yeah. And then your goal posts are right on the one yard line.
[01:05:12] Speaker A: My question is, what happens up in Canada? Like, there's like. It's really big, but I feel like the parts where people live, there's like very small amount. Like, but what happens way up.
[01:05:23] Speaker C: It's very. It's very uninhabited. It's a lot of trees and rock, man. And then, I mean, you would have some settlements up in Nunavut and all, like the. The Yukon and Yellowknife and all those areas. But yeah, they're connected by roads. It's long and winding and there's not a lot because it's not really livable, if you ask me. I mean, you can't get stuff up there. Like, it's.
[01:05:49] Speaker B: It's basically like northern Alaska. It's basically like, uninhabitable.
[01:05:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like Alaska. And you take that and you take like, the size of Alaska and put it through Canada. That's like all not livable space.
[01:06:03] Speaker A: That's crazy.
[01:06:05] Speaker B: Wow. Sorry we got sidetracked there. You're charity.
[01:06:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
We were learning after what we do. The second one now I'm a cancer survivor, so I had testicular cancer when I was young. Younger much. About 12 years ago, I rang the bell. I'm out. I'm good. And for anyone that's been diagnosed, you should be fine. There's a 92% prognosis, but Movember is huge for me. That's why I'm carrying this dirty stash right now.
Yeah, generally what I do. Yeah, I'm waving off the handlebars this way. I'm just sweeping them back like. What's his name? Lenny from. Lenny from Motorhead.
[01:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:41] Speaker C: I don't know if you remember back in the day, but we do that. I do about $2,500 a year between friends, the Browns backers. Now, this year has been a weird year because November, we only have three games, and they're really close together, and the Browns aren't doing well, so I'm getting less people showing up now. I still get a bit of online donations as well through my browns backers for the raffle, but it's been a little bit slower this year amongst the inflation and everything else, which is fine. Everybody's doing their best. And then we end the year with jumpstart program. And there's a company here In Canada called Canadian Tire, and they collect money to give kids sports stuff. And so instead of like supporting maybe toys for tots, because, I mean, I played with GI Joe, it didn't do me any good.
[01:07:34] Speaker A: Get.
[01:07:34] Speaker C: Get them a hockey stick, get them a football in their hands and get them active, you know. And then last, the last game of the year, we will be doing the Bug Run. I do have one of my good. Like, the first guys I met, they're super into that. The guys I met at the Backstreet concert. Back street back. All right, those guys, they basically.
[01:07:57] Speaker B: Are they here? The Backstreet Boys? Are they here?
[01:07:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
I think I've talked way about too much about the Backstreet Boys this whole episode so far.
[01:08:04] Speaker B: But you might have a relationship with the Backstreet Boys, like our board man bone has with the Jonas Brothers. That's what it's starting to sound like. Yeah.
[01:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Side fact, Jonas Brothers performed at the Great cup this year, which just happened last this weekend.
[01:08:19] Speaker B: Funny. I bet bonus there.
[01:08:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
And. But yeah, so we're gonna do the bug Run this year. So one of my. One of those five guys that I met at Blues Fest, he's an immunologist doctor, and so it's a big thing for him and he supports us big time. So we're going to be doing that this year as well.
[01:08:39] Speaker B: Awesome. So what. What exactly is the bug Run?
[01:08:42] Speaker C: It just helps raise money to.
What is it called? Like, help. Just different diseases, basically. So we're. We're just going to do a run in February, raise money, and that money goes to research of different diseases, basically. I'm really dumbing that one down. But. Yeah.
[01:09:02] Speaker B: No, no. I mean, yeah, I was just curious where the name came from, but I think I understand it now.
[01:09:07] Speaker A: That makes sense.
[01:09:07] Speaker B: Yeah. No, so, no, I mean, all good stuff. And that's part of why we have this interview series. Right. Is the things that the Browns backers as a whole, in the individual chapters, wherever you go, across the nation, across the world, the things they're doing for their communities as well as the Cleveland Browns organization, you know, coming, bringing some of it back home to them as well, so that they can put it in different Cleveland charities. It's just phenomenal. Like, it's awesome.
[01:09:37] Speaker A: It's funny you mentioned that the Baker Mayfield guys, maybe you thought they were mocking you at first. We've actually heard similar stories from other. Other presidents in the past. Have kind of been like, I was, you know, the first guy there and start wanting to start a club. And.
[01:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:09:49] Speaker A: Said to fight a guy, and then. Then we turned out to be great friends.
[01:09:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. It's just weird how people take information. You guys know you're on the Internet sometimes you'll. You'll be talking to some guy and they just go off, and then you're, you know, it's like, did you have a bad day? Like, what's going on? Like, you know, really just talking about football here, boys. You know what I mean? But, I mean, as far as far as the Browns are concerned, man, I've always been very happy with them. They've really supported the Browns backers. They do three, four things a year that help you get members in. They send you packs, like seasonal kits that have glasses, cups, all that kind of stuff, so you can kind of hand them out and get people in. They back up. One big event a year. You just have to put it in. Tell him. Tell them what you're doing. They send a seasonal kit, holiday kit. Sorry, holiday present out every year. And then they get us all together once a year, and we go to training camp, and then we go to usually a preseason game or something along that lines. The one year we didn't go to a preseason game with the hall of Fame and we got to meet Joe Thomas, which was, you know, one of the highlights of my life. You know what I mean? What a. What a great man.
[01:10:58] Speaker B: Very cool. Yeah. No, that's awesome. And, yeah, there. I mean, if you're a Browns fan, I think it's evident, you know, not only with the Browns themselves, but with our sponsors. These last couple years, we had. We had the Browns fan crews. We've got true fan travel.
You know, there's a lot of organizations out there that are putting together events or different things that Browns fans can attend. So just, you know, I encourage everybody, especially when the season starts before everything's happened. Go online and Google Browns events. You'd be very surprised at what you can find. And not to mention, you guys, the brownsbackers. Everywhere that the Browns go, you'll. In that city, you'll find a brownsbackers bash that you can get. You can attend and find a whole bunch of other Brownsbackers or Browns fans in general that are in those cities.
[01:11:45] Speaker A: I'd like. I'd like to go to Canada and watch the game on this big golf simulator.
[01:11:48] Speaker B: That sounds dope.
[01:11:50] Speaker C: It is. It is fantastic. The Mulligans has fantastic food. Their chicken and waffles is amazing.
[01:11:57] Speaker B: We actually have some of my favorite foods.
[01:11:59] Speaker C: You know what? I'll have to shout out Evergreen Brewing here in Ottawa, they put together a beer for us. It's called Pound Town Lager. It has gone through all the. All the appropriate things. So Anheuser Busch. Anybody cannot get angry about that. I don't have any NFL likeness in. It basically has my logo on it. And we can't use Dog Pound because that's owned by the NFL. So that's why it's Pound Town Lager. And come up and have a Pound Lager on Kenny Mac. If you come up this way, I'll definitely hook you up. It is fantastic. It is like Coors Light with a little bit of extra hop, because I'm a bit of a craft beer snob. And it's fantastic. Everybody comes up, loves it. I'm staring at one like right over there. I should have had one so I could look, here it is, guys. But it wasn't thinking.
[01:12:44] Speaker B: Go grab it right now.
[01:12:47] Speaker C: You want me to seriously grab it?
[01:12:48] Speaker B: Go. Yeah, let's see it. I want to see it. I got to see it.
Kenny Mack's like, you son of a bitch. You made me get up.
[01:12:58] Speaker A: We can full time dilate it. We'll speed it up.
[01:13:00] Speaker B: Yeah, there we go. I'm back.
All right, let's see.
[01:13:06] Speaker C: There's your Pound Town Logger. That's my logo right here with the Dog Ottawa. It's all the dog pound there. So let's go, baby. Pretty awesome.
[01:13:16] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[01:13:16] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah. Now, you explained it well, because Coors is the original craft brewery. Being out there and all the stuff that they did out at the Crores brewery is awesome to learn about if you're a beer fan. But enough about beer and enough about, you know, your chapter, as fantastic as they are.
Let's talk a little bit about the Browns. I mean, we are a Browns podcast, after all. I guess we should talk about them at least a little bit.
Yeah. So what are your thoughts on this year's version of the Cleveland Browns? I know a lot of things have gone south. A lot of things.
[01:13:51] Speaker A: What went wrong?
[01:13:52] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of things have not turned out the way we wanted it to. So can you just, you know, and take however much time you want, because it could take a while and let us know what you thought went wrong and what's going on.
[01:14:03] Speaker C: Actually, I'm going to get back up and go get some Kleenexes. Just give me a second. No, I'm just kidding. But, you know, I think a lot of it had to do with the fool's gold that we got with Joe Flacco last year. And I'm not, this is not any kind of disparaging comments towards Joe. He did fantastic. But what we needed to understand last year is Kevin Stefanski works best with a big arm quarterback with that runs a play action, pastel offense with his back to the defense and like, I mean, crisp, good play action reads and goes.
We get into the Bengals game and the Bengals game last year. So let me, let me go back. We clinch against the jets last year and then we sit everybody for the Bengals game. Had we not sat everybody, we'd still still be a little bit of fool's gold. But I think what we learned that game is that we weren't as deep as we thought we were. We just passed it off off as like, oh, you know, you know, they played their starters, they wanted it more. That was a big sign that we weren't ready to be where we needed to be next year. Then what made that even worse and we all still kind of ignored it is we got blown out bad in that, in that Texas playoff game. Like, we looked awful. And guess what we've looked like every game till now except the Ravens. Even the preseason, except for Seattle, we have looked that bad. Something happened. I don't know if it was in the Bengals game or that playoff game. This team went for a shit dive and it's never come back. And we went through the off season and our key, our key player or key part of our offense, Amari K. Cooper.
There's signs that he's going to be traded. And then this big to do about some guys interviewing him, saying he wanted to get out, but that's not what he really meant. Amari Cooper never practiced. He never did anything. He looked like he was going to be traded all year, but he was a key piece of our offense. So what are we doing? How are we not replacing this guy? And then there was this little rumblings from everybody through the whole off season, everything. The offensive line isn't good, the offensive line isn't good, but we just kept pushing it off. And I know I did I contribute to another podcast. I do Throwback Thursdays. I did a whole piece on Ken Dorsey and what he would do for DeSean Watson, but with the vibes that Tony Gross, he thought was weird coming out of the Bria two weeks ago when he put that out. Those weird vibes have been since the Bengals game and nobody has said anything about everybody, including me, thought, this is going to be good. Dorsey's going to get DeSean out of his Funk. And it makes sense. He did it with Cam Newton, he did it with Josh Allen. He does a high tempo, rhythmic passing. That's why you see a lot of these passes to the flats. The passes, the Nijoku, supposed to run people over, get first downs. It's not happening. The guys don't get it. They can't run a route tree for whatever reason.
Some of them are young, Judy, Elijah Moore, maybe they've never had to do this before. So there's all these growing pains, right? Desean on the flip side, broke the coxal bone in his, in his shoulder. But the other thing is he just didn't play.
And when he didn't play, he's also got two legs, leg injuries. Now he's got another leg injury. He's at like father time. Starting to catch up with him. He can't outrun linebackers anymore and he's super frustrated and it doesn't look like he can read a defense. And then what, what the preseason should have showed you and we didn't catch on to it is the team was already frustrated then and they laid an egg against the Dallas Cowboys. And I was like, okay, whatever. Then we played Jacksonville and one, and we were one and one, I believe. And then after that we played the Giants. And after that, after the Giants, I'm like, man, we are not a good team. We are not a good team. But every week I pull, I build myself up. Like every Browns fans say, oh, we're going to win. Like I'm going to tell you, we're going to win tomorrow. You know what I mean? And. But we are not, we are not deep. We are not a deep team. And it's just the revelation that in listening to everybody going on podcasts and we're just not as good as we thought we were.
There is something to be said, though. I'm not saying we're not talented.
Our defense is still good.
I think we have some talent from what we've seen between the quarterback and the receivers.
But it's our offensive line just declines so rapidly and the guys on the defense are having a tough time, like matching that, I guess matching the intensity they need to do to pitch 10 point games every game, right? Because we can only score 16.
So I would say, you know, they got to suck it up because I've read a lot online and you guys have probably heard this too. Well, we better tank for a number one pick. Well, guess what, boys? We've been doing that since 99. It hasn't worked. And I got two other people. I got two other franchises in this division that don't do that, and they pick wherever they fall, and guess what? They're right above us. They just beat the shit out of each other last week, and thank God they did, because we get one of the two that got the shit beat out of them, you know, so hopefully we can jump on that on a short week, too.
[01:20:05] Speaker B: I mean, if you're talking about looking for ways that the Browns win the game, you get them on a short week. So.
[01:20:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So that's a feather in our captain.
[01:20:18] Speaker A: So I feel like I just relived like the last basically 11 months of my life, and it feels really bad.
[01:20:23] Speaker B: Feels bad, yeah.
[01:20:25] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:20:26] Speaker A: I mean, but I think there's a lot of insight there. I guess my question to you then is how do you fix it? I mean, I think at 2 and 8 or wherever we're at, I mean, it's like everything's on the table, you know, from cleaning house entirely to, you know, do they. Do they elevate variable? Do they hang on to Perry? Do they get rid of everyone? Do we need just a new influx? We got the oldest, one of the oldest and most expensive offenses in the NFL and some of that money is not going anywhere, obviously, with the desean contract. So, like, how do you. How do you fix it? Like, how do we go into next year with our head and chin up, thinking this is going to get better?
[01:21:05] Speaker C: I think one of the things that you really got to look at, I think you got to take Vrabel and you got to put. Put him aside. Vrabel is a well respected coach. He's not going to do any interim stuff. Like, you're basically going to roll this team out and say, I don't think Vrabel can come in and make this. What is it, seven games left, win seven in a row. I don't think you can go five and two with this team.
Stefanski and Barry are married to DeSean Watson if it was their choice or not. And they got to see that contract through because we're just going to get duds for two years if they. If they don't. Right. Who's going to want to come here? Like, I mean, if we. If pie in the sky and Blake says this all the time, let you want to get Johnson from the Lions, he ain't coming here. Nobody wants to deal with desean. You know, the only guy that believes in desean right now is Josh Cribbs. I don't know if you know what he said. But he's like he's going to be the next Russell Wilson. I don't, I don't bought that for an instant because I don't think Russell's been as beat up as desean. So how do you win? I mean hell, Winston just threw for 400 freaking yards. When's the last time we saw that? We saw Josh McNown do that like that. It's been forever. Maybe there's something there, you know, but a number one receiver that can like blow the top off which I'm sure you've been banging your drums for. For four years. I've been banging my drums for. For four years. That's a big way to do it, right?
The Nick Chubb thing. I just don't know where he is and how he's going to be at 28. I know I don't recover from workouts at almost 50. You know what I mean? Like I used to. I couldn't imagine being an NFL player and having all the surgery he had. I don't think you have to fix much on the defense special teams, but Bob of a Tron's proven that he's could put a good team together. I think again it's been said numerous times on other podcasts I've been on.
The problem with the special teams other than Dustin Hopkins is that we have for depth and that's what it's proving. Right. So if we don't have to switch up much on the defense, maybe a couple defense, defensive lineman and a safety. Right. You still have some key pieces there. You can get a blow off the top receiver because I'm ok. Yeah, we.
[01:23:30] Speaker B: Gotta get, we gotta get rid of Juan Thornhill like yesterday.
[01:23:33] Speaker C: So yeah, jog Thornhill. That was, that was pretty special. I want to get that T shirt.
[01:23:38] Speaker B: Don't even get me started. That's for another segment in this show.
[01:23:41] Speaker C: But I mean if you can have this, if you can have Djuan Zinter become something and then you keep Batonio, then you got to replace two to three pieces have to be replaced on the offensive line. That's the biggest. You need some big mash out Mauler Maulers that can compete in the AFC north. And that's one thing that I do believe that Vrabel could find. But I think Stefanski's got roped into a quarterback that doesn't seem like. I think we all know by this time that it's not the type of quarterback that he needs. So whether it's drafting one, which seems like A crapshoot offensive linemen are the easiest to make the team. So I think that's where you would put your resources and you just get either Jameis for a year and then try and find something. Or I would take Derek Carr if he's available. He looked great against us and he's got that deep touch. So that's what you do. You fix up the quarterback, but you fix them up with a good offensive line and maybe a fast receiver. And I think you're decent team even if you keep the rest of the pieces, maybe a little bit more depth.
So that was long winded, but that's my answer.
[01:24:53] Speaker A: Oh, fair enough.
[01:24:55] Speaker B: No, I mean, I'm just digesting all of it right now. It's. I mean, you make some good points and one of the things that kind of stood out to me is how you don't have to do a ton with the defense. And I actually agree with you. As poorly as the defense seems to have played this season, I think a lot of it just comes down to the simple, simple fact that the offense can't score. So they go into every single game knowing, like, if we're going to win this game, it's going to be on us. We're not going to get any help. We need to do it ourselves. And I mean, that weighs on you as a player, I'm sure, as far as getting motivated to actually play the game. So, dude, I think that's a huge reason why they're not. Why? Go ahead.
[01:25:35] Speaker C: Oh, I said I played high school football and my team was pretty good, but when the offense wasn't kept going three and out and we were just, we were putting three and outs. Like after a while you start breaking a little bit because you get frustrated at your team. You're getting frustrated on the field. You're like, when are these guys going to do it? Because I mean, especially if you play like three games in a row and you're pitching three notes all the time, then you hit up a team and all of a sudden like you went one long all the way down the field and you're like, oh, you get off, sit down. Then you come back on again and it's another three and out. You're like, oh man, I gotta go back out there and you're playing special teams and you know what I mean?
[01:26:12] Speaker B: Like, yeah, hell, three games in a row. We're talking about 10 games in a row now. So I mean, yeah, it's been all on a defense all year long and they just haven't I mean, it's really hard to get up for that every time. And I think that's why Jim Schwartz, it. It seems like he's not getting as much out of them this year as he did last year. Kenny Sound looks like he's got something to say about all that.
[01:26:32] Speaker A: No, I just.
I would be oddly respectable. Kenny Stein too, because this has been a really good conversation. We'll probably have to have him back, but I guess so. Do you still have confidence that Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry are the front office to, you know, do. To kind of get this thing done?
[01:26:49] Speaker C: That's a funny question, because my confidence in Barry is waning a bit. I'm okay with Stefanski as a play caller. I don't think he's lost the locker room because, I mean, we're 2 and 8 and other than Miles calling out his own defensive, there hasn't been much like guys aren't complaining yet. Okay.
The only problem that I have is that we're in the AFC north and I can think about losses that we've had under Stefanski's tenure and the Patriots come to mind.
A loss to the Raiders when Jon Gruden was a coach comes to mind.
There was another one that was like, oh, there was another one like that. Oh, against the Saints. We lost the Saints again at home in that really cold game. There are sometimes in the NFL because of weather or other circumstances, maybe you lose all your receivers or whatever it is to Covid. Remember that one? That's another one, the jets, where you just gotta get your offensive line and you just gotta whack the ball, whack the running back through that and you just got to keep going and going and going and you got to win 8 to 10. And a lot of times it's defensive coaches that'll win those games, right? Like Dennis Allen beat us last year in the or two years ago in that cool ass game, right? And in offensive guys like Stefanski don't get that. They're still like trying these fancy passes or, you know, say the wind's gusting like 55 miles an hour or something wild like that. It's just buckle down.
[01:28:29] Speaker B: Double reverse.
[01:28:30] Speaker C: Yeah, buckle, yeah. Don't even do a reverse. Like, don't even do it, you know, like just like quarterback draw from Bobrewski. Like none of that. Just take the fullback. Take the running back. Well, we don't have a fullback, but you know what I mean? And just, yeah, you know, make someone the fullback for that game. Make Boogie Watson the fullback. I don't care. Just hit people until you have more first downs and field goals than the other team and win those games. We don't do that, you know, and that's what I need to see from Stefanski to be even more on his side. But I am a Stefanski fan.
[01:29:07] Speaker B: Well, you're about as big a fan as you'll get. She's never going to do that, so.
[01:29:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:29:14] Speaker B: But I mean, with that being said, these are all awesome talk. This whole thing has been awesome. Kenny, you're very insightful. It's clear that you're passionate about the team and you think these things through. I do want to get on this week's game, though. I mean, we're. We're sitting at like 40 minutes with you. You're just, you know, we're talking it up. You're basically half our show this week, which I don't. I don't mind, whatever. But no. So the Steelers, we got the Steelers this week, Thursday night game, short week for them. Talk us through how you think this game is going to go and then finish it up with a score prediction at the end.
[01:29:48] Speaker C: Yeah. So this is a tough one. So the first thing I've already kind of let you know, I mean, in. Even in the last 10 years, let's say, guys, we've always had one Thursday night game and we always play well, we always cover, we usually win. We're like what, 10 and 2 or some. Some wild stat. The Browns will show up against the Steelers. There's animosity because of the J.J. watt comments. There are. T.J. watt. Sorry. T.J. watt comments. And the defense is going to be up for it, you know, even jog. Thorn. Thornhill. He might be lightly running Thornhill at this point, you know, because he'll be so into it. Right. Risk. Jog. Yeah. And so the defense is going to be there. The other thing with the Steelers, I mean, like, the record's great. They don't. They didn't score a touchdown against the Ravens. We dropped 27 or 29 on them, you know, and so we're not going to run on them. I don't think with our offensive line, like, their defensive line will have a hard time controlling that.
The line of scrimmage. Okay. On the other side, they could too. And it might be just another game like the Ravens and the Steelers last week. It's just that we're not as beat up because clearly the defense didn't show or give a damn last week because they had the worst effort for a team that came off a two week holiday and gave the effort that they gave in that game was awful. The only guy that was up for it was Jamis and the other guy that was up for it was Taysom Hill and he had way more spirit than the entire Browns defense. That being said, when you are embarrassed like that because when Taysom Hill was 268 or 248 or whatever the damn yardage was, when he puts that on you, you are embarrassed and you will show up and you will play the next week because if you don't, you've lost the locker room and good luck winning another game. That being said, I haven't looked at the injury report and I would base a little bit off the injury report, but who is, who is not playing this week? They're missing a big player. Do you guys know.
[01:32:05] Speaker A: On our side.
[01:32:06] Speaker C: No.
[01:32:07] Speaker B: Steelers, Steelers side.
[01:32:12] Speaker C: It doesn't matter. But my thing is if we win this, like we don't even score 17 points a game. And the score, I don't even think The Steelers let 17 points a game. So this is, if we win, it's going to be like 1310 and Dustin Hopkins is going to have to hit every single field goal that comes his way. I hope they're at the stadium. They literally got off the plane and he's sleeping there like Baker Mayfield used to for his commercials and he's just getting out there and booting and booting and booting and he's got his finger up and he knows where that wind is and that ball is going through the. Those uprights.
[01:32:49] Speaker B: I hope you're right. But anytime we're anymore last year I would have said, yes, I would. I'll rely on Dustin Hopkins all day.
[01:32:59] Speaker A: That was, that was hard to watch anymore.
[01:33:01] Speaker B: Like, yeah, watching that in person this past week and it wasn't like he, he missed him a little bit like they were, they looked bad.
[01:33:09] Speaker A: Well, what was worrisome was he was missing him in practice when they came out before the game and at halftime when we're watching him do warm ups, he was missing kicks and warm ups and that worried me a lot.
[01:33:20] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, yes. Obviously we didn't get to see that. But I mean, if that's the case, then there's got to be some kind of injury there. Then if he's overcompensating and pushing the same way every single time, the only other thing it could be is like Rex O'Hara or Sahara or however you say his name. The long snapper and the holder are not the same Page Borges.
[01:33:42] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I've been saying that for weeks, that the Hewlett injury was. Was a bigger injury than people gave it credit for, just because that guy had played in, you know, a bazillion straight games. I mean, there was a pretty well defined unit.
[01:33:55] Speaker B: You're talking about Alex Highsmith, by the way. It looks like he's out with an ankle injury.
[01:33:58] Speaker C: Alex Highsmith. So that's a feather in our cap as well. Right. So they have Herbig. That's coming in, and now we got some more tape on Herbig, So let's see what we can do to a rookie. I actually. He was high on my list. I don't know if he was high on your list when he was coming out of college, but I did like him.
[01:34:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, solid, solid player. So. But like you said, let's see. Let's see what we could do to exploit that on our end. But, yeah, I mean, it scares. Like I said, just back to Dustin Hopkins. It just scares me when you say a lot of the game's going to rely on him. Just terrifying.
[01:34:37] Speaker A: I know, I know. Like I said, we're up against time here with you, Kenny. But real quick question, I just was curious if you're seeing a mass immigration influx of US Celebrities coming across the border.
[01:34:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, hey, listen, the one one thing about Canada is they're super socialistic. The taxes I got to pay here is unreal. They'll really come here, live here for a week, and they pay it. They'll pay taxes for a week. They'll say, see you later, Canada. I'm going, going back. I'm going back. You know, and people feel the same way about Trump up here. And some people are saying, I'm not going. I've been in and out of the States. I don't care who the president is. I just go and have a good time, man. And that's what everybody wants to have down there, too. It's not. Nothing's going to change. It's going to be fine.
[01:35:20] Speaker A: Yeah, we don't get too political. It was just funny because there were so many, like every celebrity on the planet.
[01:35:24] Speaker C: Oh, I know.
[01:35:25] Speaker A: Hey, Wins, we're moving to Canada.
[01:35:27] Speaker C: Yeah, man. We'll take their tax dollars.
[01:35:31] Speaker B: I think you hit on a good point, though. The bottom line is we all just want to have a good time.
[01:35:35] Speaker C: We're here for 100%.
[01:35:37] Speaker B: But no, Kenny. So what was one more time? What was your final score that you said? I didn't catch it.
[01:35:44] Speaker C: Browns win 1310 just like last year.
Yeah, just like last year.
[01:35:51] Speaker B: Which I feel bad for Thursday Night Football, because outside of, you know, the race, Ravens Bengals game, which was phenomenal. I watched that in Cincinnati. I happen to be in Cincinnati for that. But not that I like either of those two. Two teams. They both suck ass, but.
But it was a good game. Outside of that, there hasn't been really a lot of good Thursday Night Football games ever since Amazon took over.
[01:36:17] Speaker C: No, man, they've been pretty rough.
[01:36:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So hope. I mean, at least it might be exciting that it's close, but it sounds like it's going be another stinker.
[01:36:26] Speaker A: I'll take a win if I get.
[01:36:27] Speaker B: A win, but no. Yeah, I hope you're right, Kenny, because, yeah, any way that the Browns can get a win, I'm in. Sign me up.
[01:36:37] Speaker C: Hey, man, I just need to see wins. I'm getting older, man. I've seen enough. Losing the last lifetime.
[01:36:42] Speaker A: Just.
[01:36:43] Speaker C: Just win, baby. Just win. Codell Davis, let's go.
[01:36:46] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. And so, Kenny, listen, it's been great having you on again. We wish we could continue talking with you.
Our shows. Kenny's pissed right now because he's going to be editing tomorrow, and our show is going to be, like, six hours long.
[01:37:00] Speaker A: Well, I'm pissed because I got, like, way more questions for Kenny.
[01:37:05] Speaker B: Kenny, I know you're. You're a regular on another podcast. Do you need to join this one as well? So. Yeah.
[01:37:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:37:10] Speaker C: Hey, man, whenever you guys want me on, I always come on. You guys support the Browns backers, and obviously, you know, with the position I'm in, I'm always here to, like, help out anybody that supports us. You guys are doing a great job, and we really appreciate you.
[01:37:25] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And you'll. You'll be welcome back anytime. I'm sure I'll be in touch in the. In the coming weeks to see when we get you back on the show.
[01:37:31] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure, man.
[01:37:33] Speaker B: All right. Thanks, Kenny.
[01:37:35] Speaker A: Thanks, Kenny.
[01:37:35] Speaker C: Right on.
Yo, guys, it is Kenny Mack, and I am the president of the Ottawa Browns backers, and I had a blast on this show, and you are listening the Burning River Sportscast. Let's go.
[01:37:56] Speaker B: Man. Good time talking to Kenny Mack, huh?
[01:37:58] Speaker A: I think this was a conversation we've been looking forward to for a long time, and obviously, we met Kenny Mack for the first time personally at the President's Summit this year.
Had some really. Just engaging conversations there. Dude is involved in a lot, has his. Has his fingertips and everything, and does, you know, great work on some other podcasts.
[01:38:17] Speaker B: I was going to make a joke. I didn't.
[01:38:18] Speaker A: So thanks.
Does does some great work on other podcasts as well. So we were happy to finally have him be part of our show today.
Just a thoughtful guy. I love his story of just like how he kind of accidentally became a Browns fan or oh, that was fate.
[01:38:35] Speaker B: I'll be honest with you. I did, I did not expect that his Brown story on how he became a fan, but I was, I loved it nonetheless.
[01:38:44] Speaker A: Phenomenal.
[01:38:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:38:45] Speaker A: But I think, well, like I said, I mean we during the interview I have, I had probably five more questions I would have liked to just get his thoughts on. So we'll have to have him back sometime soon.
[01:38:56] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And I will say this, he just, he's one of the more educated fans that we've ever talked to. Like he really does do his homework and he knows all about these teams. I know part of that goes with with you know, having his own segment on another show and those types of things. But yeah, just great having Kenny Mack on. Can't wait to have him back for sure. But with that, let's take a quick revenue break and then get back here and talk about the Week 12 matchup with the Steelers to Path Distillery. Topath Distillery an award winning craft distillery located in Akron, Ohio. Topat Distillery focuses on high quality spirits carefully made in small batches. Topaz lineup includes an ultra smooth award winning premium vodka, a small batch silver rum made from the highest grade molasses, an American craft gin made with nine botanicals and a blended straight bourbon made from corn and rye. Towpath Distillery now available locally and in 46 states. Visit topath-distillery.com to place your order online or find an OHLQ retailer near you. Tower Pat Distillery Handcrafted, award winning small batch, local and family owned.
Kenny it happened.
[01:40:15] Speaker A: It did happen.
[01:40:16] Speaker B: It happened.
The burning reverse forecast helped the dog pound take over New Orleans.
[01:40:24] Speaker A: We literally took over New Orleans.
[01:40:26] Speaker B: That was one of the wildest things I ever saw. I, I, I know you, you kind of talked to Kenny Mack about it a little bit and said, you know there was and in your opening how many Browns fans were down there? But like no, like it was insane. Everywhere we went all weekend long, all I heard, no matter where I went, he had a brown shirt on or even just browns colors. They're like here we go brownies. Here we go. Everywhere, everywhere.
[01:40:53] Speaker A: It was, it was amazing. It was outstanding. Because I mean honestly like obviously we went with a big group with two true fan travel and that was a great trip.
[01:41:00] Speaker B: That was just a fraction of Browns fans that were there.
[01:41:03] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, everywhere we went, we were running into. And we were kind of. We were kind of asked, like, hey, everywhere we go, are you with True Fan Travel? And they'd be like, no. Like, you know, we go to an away game every year or we go to every away game or. And they're just groups of 20.
[01:41:20] Speaker B: The amount of people that I heard say they go to every away game was nuts.
[01:41:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:41:24] Speaker B: I was like, how do you go to every away game?
[01:41:26] Speaker A: Do you have a job of Browns fans travel all over the country to support this team was absolutely incredible. Obviously, we got to do it in an elevated and premium experience with True Fan Travel, which was just absolutely.
[01:41:40] Speaker B: That was a premium.
[01:41:41] Speaker A: Outstanding. From the moment we got to the airport to the moment we left.
I mean, the private charter flight had a great flight out.
We were fortunate to be able to kind of sit with the guys from True Fans. Always great conversations on the way out.
And then just. Just the ease of everything. Right. I mean, we kind of had our own check encounter to do.
[01:42:04] Speaker B: Let me tell you this. Like, the. The ease and the convenience of everything is. Is way understated in all of the marketing for their stuff. So let me tell you this. One of the coolest things is when we got there. So one private charter flight, we were on that.
When we got there, shuttle to the hotel. So you didn't have to get your Uber. Nothing.
[01:42:28] Speaker A: And this was a luxury shuttle.
[01:42:29] Speaker B: This was very nice.
[01:42:30] Speaker A: 2. Two seats on each side. Big leather seats, TVs, air conditioning, the whole works.
[01:42:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And so your own shuttle, they loaded your luggage, too? Yeah. Your own shuttle to the hotel. When we got to the hotel. And this. I'm talking about convenience. Like, what do you usually do when you get to a hotel?
[01:42:46] Speaker A: You gotta give me your id, your credit card, check in, get your room number, get there through the whole spiel.
[01:42:52] Speaker B: You know what I did, because I was the liaison for our group of guys. I walked in, they said my name that was on an envelope, they handed it to me, done.
[01:43:01] Speaker A: Went up to our room, incidentals, all that taken care of.
To have a conversation.
[01:43:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, that was fantastic. The fact that I didn't have to sit there and wait in line because I actually was thinking about it on the way. I was like, ah, darn it, we're going to have to sit here and wait in line and they're going to check all of us in at the same time. Nope.
[01:43:16] Speaker A: I mean, literally, we got off of the bus, our Group in particular, we got off of the bus with a hundred or more other Browns fans that were coming in this hotel. We got off of the bus, got our luggage, walked into the hotel, and we're in our room in, like, three minutes.
[01:43:30] Speaker B: It was awesome. Especially because everybody knows, like, nobody, even though it was a private charter flight. And it was really nice. Like, you traveled all day, so, like, you just want to get in there.
[01:43:39] Speaker A: Get settled, shoes on, like, sit down.
[01:43:40] Speaker B: Sit for like 10 to 20 minutes. And we were able to get right in there and do it. And there was no issues.
[01:43:46] Speaker A: Absolutely incredible.
[01:43:48] Speaker B: And then straight into, like, you know, we had that. That afternoon evening to walk around a little bit. And then we got into the welcome party, which was the all inclusive cruise down the Mississippi River.
[01:43:56] Speaker A: We had the. The first thing we did, obviously, when we got there was go get beignets.
[01:44:00] Speaker B: Hell, yes.
[01:44:02] Speaker A: Cafe Beignet had some enormous beignets.
Totally delicious. I made a freaking mess of myself.
And they were. It was. It was great. I mean, it was one of the things we were looking forward to just to start to, like, immediately again from the time we got there, kind of start taking in the New Orleans culture, food and everything was just a lot of fun.
[01:44:22] Speaker B: And we also got po boys while we were waiting.
[01:44:24] Speaker A: Po boys. Yeah. Too. As we were waiting. Yeah. We actually. The po boys first. Then we found beignets.
Po boys. Beignets. As soon as we got to town, went back to the room, chilled out for another second, headed over, did the paddle boat tour down to mighty Mississippi.
[01:44:38] Speaker B: Not paddleboat like me and. Me and Kenny were paddling.
You'd been spent. You would have been spent after like, three minutes.
[01:44:43] Speaker A: I was tired.
[01:44:45] Speaker B: You were tired. Watching the paddle boat that was powered by, like, steam or whatever the hell was powering.
[01:44:53] Speaker A: New Orleans is a big walking city. It's a. There's a lot of stuff to see, walking, and I. I don't particularly enjoy walking, but anyway, we're back to the hotel room and then headed straight to the paddle wheeler. Tremendous cruise with Kevin Mack. Christian Kirksey.
[01:45:10] Speaker B: Which Christian Kirksey? That was the first time we got to see him in person. I know we've seen quite a few Browns alumni. That was the first time we saw Christian Kirk's great, super, engaging. Not that Kevin Mack wasn't. Kevin Mack was his. His usual awesome, incredible, engaging.
But Christian Kirksey, because it was the first time, I was very pleasantly surprised with how engaging he was.
[01:45:29] Speaker A: Kevin's just a different person now because Kevin's a little more reserved, which, funny.
[01:45:34] Speaker B: Story Christian Kirksey brought his uncle who resembles Kevin, Kevin Mack. And all week long, all weekend long, people were mistaking Christian Kirksey's uncle for Kevin Mack. So they started calling him a substitute Kevin McMahon or Kevin Mack. And so. But anyways, like, just. Just that. So, like, Christian Kirksey was very engaging with the crowd. He was very.
[01:45:57] Speaker A: Well, they had the QA with Kevin and Bridget Linton.
[01:45:59] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:45:59] Speaker A: On the boat.
[01:46:00] Speaker B: Kevin, Kevin and Chris, Christian Kirksey and Bridget. But Christian talked so highly of his time in Cleveland, and it was echoed through his family. His uncle said, look, you know, you guys embraced my boy, embraced my nephew, took good care of him while he was here. When he left, he missed it. He still misses it. He loves you guys. I couldn't have asked for a better fan group for him to be a fan base for him to be a part of.
[01:46:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, just raw, raw emotions of just like, gratefulness, like, just to this fan base. And the way that we just took to Christian, the way he played football. So just again, I mean, like, the whole trip was just. It was such a fun, easy trip.
[01:46:47] Speaker B: We had the pep rally the next day.
[01:46:49] Speaker A: The next night over at Pat O'Brien's, who's known for Famous for their Hurricanes, there was an episode.
[01:46:52] Speaker B: They were good hurricanes. I was feeling the Hurricanes.
[01:46:56] Speaker A: Joker's filmed an episode there. I mean, it was a neat thing to say. It's a huge, sprawling bar property in the middle of the city.
[01:47:03] Speaker B: I'll be honest. That was probably the night I went the hardest. When we had the Hurricanes. Unlimited Hurricanes.
[01:47:06] Speaker A: You guys. You guys went pretty hard while we were there.
[01:47:11] Speaker B: And then True Fan brought in a.
[01:47:12] Speaker A: Bunch of pizzas, giant pizza slices for everybody to have.
[01:47:17] Speaker B: Listen, I'll be honest with you. These pizza slices were as big as my torso.
[01:47:20] Speaker A: They were massive. Massive pizza. I don't even know where they came from, but they were massive.
And that was a great party. We met a ton of people there. We met Captain Webber, some other super fans.
The Browns army folks.
[01:47:34] Speaker B: Well, stay tuned. We're going to have. I mean, I know part of our thing is doing the dog talk and trying to get both. The dog talk interview series encompasses both personalities as far as, like, people like us covering the Browns, but then it also covers super fans, so stay tuned. We have a couple. A couple new contacts to bring on more of those.
[01:47:56] Speaker A: And then. And then rolling right into the tailgate on Sunday.
[01:48:00] Speaker B: The tail tailgate had. This food was unreal.
[01:48:03] Speaker A: Private parking lot.
[01:48:05] Speaker B: I gotta. I gotta reach out to Vince from True Fan and figure out who that catering company was that. They're a homegrown catering company there in New Orleans. It's very authentic New Orleans food.
[01:48:18] Speaker A: Creole fettuccine and shell. Like, shells and shrimp.
[01:48:21] Speaker B: It was. It was. Yeah, just creole Mac and cheese, jambalaya.
[01:48:26] Speaker A: Pulled pork po boys, King's cake. There was. What am I missing? Baked beans. I mean, it was just a full spread. All you can drink again, just like all the other events, all your alcohols included.
Again, just super easy. They had our tickets just sent to us on our phone.
Just a tremendously convenient experience.
[01:48:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that was another thing. Our tickets were just on our phone. They didn't. You didn't have to, like, meet up somewhere and get your tickets. It was all just sent to my phone, transferred to me.
[01:48:56] Speaker A: I kind of like into, like, the whole experience would be, like, going to, like, pick, like, a nice restaurant, like a Ken Stewart's Grill or something. But, like, getting it through the drive.
[01:49:04] Speaker B: Through, like, it was that convenient pull.
[01:49:07] Speaker A: Up and, like, they give you a. Like a full five.
[01:49:09] Speaker B: And to that point, that's a very good analogy because it was a premium experience.
[01:49:12] Speaker A: It was a premium. Very.
[01:49:14] Speaker B: A very convenient premium experience.
[01:49:16] Speaker A: Yeah, like. Like, look, look, I'm not going to sit here and be like, this is. You could get a coupon and, like, take this trip for cheap. Like, it.
[01:49:21] Speaker B: You.
[01:49:21] Speaker A: You pay for. You do pay for it. But it's. It's very well worth every dollar because it is. It was so easy, so convenient. You're surrounded by Browns fans the entire time, and it was just a great trip. And the nice thing was, too, was you also had time for yourself. Like, we got to take a cemetery tour on Saturday. That was super cool to see. We were in, like, whatever that museum was that was near the cemetery. Cemetery to see all the stuff about the trains and everything else.
And we had a chance to go out and also, like, eat some different restaurants.
[01:49:50] Speaker B: We found other restaurants.
Turkey and the Wolf.
[01:49:53] Speaker A: Turkey and the Wolf.
[01:49:54] Speaker B: We'll give a shout out to them. Fried. Not a paid partnership, but that was one of the best. That was the best fried bologna sandwich I've ever had and one of the best sandwiches overall I've had in quite.
[01:50:05] Speaker A: A couple of breakfast spots where we had, like, some hot chicken biscuit sandwiches and things. Things. I mean, it was just. It was just a tremendous trip overall. The final thing I'll say about true fan travel, and this wasn't even necessarily true fans thing, this got me excited about thinking about the Browns future Dome stadium.
[01:50:22] Speaker B: Oh, my God, the Superdome yes.
[01:50:25] Speaker A: Yes. So the experience. First off, I was take one step back. First off, when we walked into the stadium, we were led by a New Orleans marching band. So that was something else true fan set up for us.
[01:50:36] Speaker B: Oh, that was great.
[01:50:37] Speaker A: And we brought in Browns fans from all the different tailgates around us, too. So I don't know, we maybe 300 or so Browns fans marching into the stadium with a marching band. Super awesome.
But getting into the stadium, incredibly easy. And you walk into kind of this outdoor amphitheater, and there's like a couple of different, like, indoor, like, shops and things. And it's the village idea. Right. That we've kind of been talking about. But they do all the security stuff before you get into that, so you don't have to do any of that at the door of the stadium. All that is done before you even get into the village area.
[01:51:10] Speaker B: They had a stage set up. There's a live concert going on, like getting ready for the game.
[01:51:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:51:14] Speaker B: All the beer tents so that you could get your. Your. Your alcohol or your other beverages before you even walk in. Like, you could stay out there and hang out.
[01:51:21] Speaker A: Tailgate there.
[01:51:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:51:23] Speaker A: The entire time.
[01:51:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:51:25] Speaker A: There's plenty of stuff to eat and drink.
And then getting in the stadium, super easy. I mean, we were on the. Basically the top bowl 600 series or whatever, and it didn't take us long to get up there.
[01:51:39] Speaker B: Five minutes.
[01:51:39] Speaker A: Super easy to find the elevator and get up there. Yep.
And.
And even leaving. I think leaving was the other thing that was super impressed by New Orleans themselves. Shuts down a whole half of the city of streets.
[01:51:51] Speaker B: It took maybe, no joke, maybe seven minutes to get from our seats all the way completely out of the stadium. Down the street.
[01:51:59] Speaker A: Down the street. The elevator. Yeah. And then down the street. Yeah. In like, less than 10 minutes.
[01:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:52:03] Speaker A: I mean, compare that to your average experience leaving a Browns game. It was night and day.
[01:52:08] Speaker B: It was a nightmare.
[01:52:08] Speaker A: So just thinking about the fact that they're gonna have city planners and architects, all these people, like, trying to figure out, like, how do we make this the most efficient, most easy game?
[01:52:16] Speaker B: Well, just the simple fact that you're not landlocked with the lake. With the lake. And you have. You can make ingress and egress from every direction.
[01:52:25] Speaker A: Right.
[01:52:25] Speaker B: So that it's not all the fans are trying to go out the same side of the stadium, because that's where everybody leaves.
[01:52:29] Speaker A: Total game changer compared to having to then walk all the way to the muni lot and then sit in traffic for two hours on 90 or whatever is over there. Yeah, I mean it was, it was incredible the way they were able to move people in that city to and from the game in such a convenient fashion. And the stadium itself, while the stadium is kind of, is neat because it's kind of a historical landmark with Katrina and everything, it's older, it's. You can tell, you can tell some stuff are very small.
[01:52:57] Speaker B: Even though you can tell that it's older and dated, it's held up very well. It's literally the opposite of current Cleveland Brown Stadium. That's, that's falling apart.
[01:53:06] Speaker A: It's, it's held up really well and it's the experience they can bring you in. That stadium is immersive and they don't.
[01:53:13] Speaker B: Even have like a top. Like just to be honest, compared to most other stadiums they don't have like top tier lighting and special effects and all that stuff. No, but there was, they made you feel it. Like they still use the lights to their advantage. Yeah.
[01:53:26] Speaker A: And I mean just, just like I, the whole time I'm there I'm thinking because you know they do, they, they do the different cheers and things for first downs and third downs and I throw the decibel meter up on, on the Jumbotron. The whole time I'm thinking get 70,000 Browns fans as a sold out game in Cleveland.
[01:53:44] Speaker B: 109 decibels. That's as loud as they got in a dome.
[01:53:47] Speaker A: They're going to blow the roof off that place.
[01:53:50] Speaker B: Maybe we shouldn't make it a glass.
[01:53:52] Speaker A: I mean they're going to crack the glass. Hillary Clinton would be proud.
It is, it is going to be such a game changer for the fans and for the players to have a true home field advantage that you just don't have.
I mean, I know Arrowhead gets a lot, but there's some weird acoustics going on there. But the dome is just going to change that entirely for the game itself. So I just.
[01:54:24] Speaker B: To the point about it being true home field advantage. You'll have a home like, let's be honest, what's his name, Big Dog Dewey Perry hit it on the head earlier this year when he said it was his Madden generic stadium number too. Well, true like, like you don't have that anymore. It's your home.
[01:54:43] Speaker A: And it is something neat to see the dome coming into downtown New Orleans.
[01:54:47] Speaker B: Oh, it was awesome. It's just you made the reference to Gladiator.
I didn't know Matt could build things.
It's just, it is when you get up next to it. Like, obviously we've all seen big buildings and those types of things. It is just so massive.
[01:55:04] Speaker A: But yeah, I was just, I was blown away by their game day experience stuff. All the things that they do inside of the stadium, the music and things. Even though the stadium itself felt dated inside a little bit, people moving in and out, getting in and out, it just so easy to do.
[01:55:20] Speaker B: The only part, the only knock I have on the Superdome is they put in more damn bathrooms. Every time you went, you were waiting in line. And so the Browns I think will do a better job.
[01:55:29] Speaker A: I think that's something with the newer stadiums.
[01:55:31] Speaker B: It's just, just newer things in general. Like that's like one of the top things is like you don't want people standing around. You want them to be able to go.
[01:55:37] Speaker A: Yeah. But just again, blown away by the game day experience inside the Superdome. Well done in New Orleans head we talked about the fans were all very cordial to us and awesome job done by true fan travel and their group. Everything was so well organized on time efficient. All their events were just well planned out.
[01:55:57] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:55:58] Speaker A: And we've done things with.
[01:56:01] Speaker B: I didn't see hardly anybody like asking questions. There were trip coordinators on site and I don't think they were needed once.
[01:56:06] Speaker A: No, no. And nice thing is too is that they also do a really good job of policing their events to make sure that you aren't being bothered by outside groups or other. Just random people that were coming in trying to like steal the free alcohol. They did a really good job of like, hey, they basically knew by the time they got to New Orleans, they knew the face and name of like everybody that was going. So they can kind of keep track tabs on the group, make sure everybody was happy and everybody had everything they needed. Just a really, again, tremendous job, tremendous trip, awesome weekend. Outside of the fact that the Browns suck.
[01:56:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So one more time, a huge round of applause for true fan travel. Yeah.
All right. That'll take us to the Week 12 preview brought to you by True fan draft.
[01:57:06] Speaker A: You ready?
I guess so.
[01:57:10] Speaker B: All right. This week we have the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know what? It's time for Kenny.
[01:57:14] Speaker A: Is it time for Kenny's cliff notes?
[01:57:16] Speaker B: It's time for Kenny's cliff notes.
What do you got for us today?
Do you even want to do these? Are you sad?
[01:57:27] Speaker A: I am very sad.
[01:57:29] Speaker B: Let's do them anyway.
[01:57:30] Speaker A: Steelers Cliff notes.
The first place Steelers led by Mike Tomlin, who was hired at 34 years old as just the third Steelers head coach since 1969, and is currently the longest tenured head coach in the NFL, in his eighth, and has never had a losing one and with one more win will continue that streak for at least another year.
[01:57:52] Speaker B: That's all they're away from that right now is one more win already more.
[01:57:55] Speaker A: Win from another winning season.
[01:57:57] Speaker B: God, I hate Mike Tomlin. But, like, in the best way possible. Like, I wish he was our coach, but he's not.
[01:58:02] Speaker A: The Steelers open the season with questions at quarterback. Not necessarily if there was a good one, but who would be better? The old adage of having two quarterbacks means you have done thrown right out the window by both Russell Wilson and just winning more games than the Browns have all season during their stints as starters. And neither at any point has played anything less than above average football. Najee Harris is currently ranked 11th in rush yards, but has had trouble finding the end zone this year with just three rushing touchdowns. George Pickens continues to improve and currently ranks 4th in yards and 4th in yards per reception amongst receivers with 40 or more catches on the year.
All right, I don't even know what we're doing here. This team is better across the board than every other position, every coach from ownership to kicker. Like, this is a waste of everyone's time, and I'm not going to waste any more of it. Like, I hate this Dealers, and it pains me to say that this clearly isn't our year. And honestly, like, if they get their red zone shit figured out, this may well be theirs. Like, we. We can't compete with this team on our best day as currently constituted. So the Browns only hope is that, like, this is the absolute worst day. The weather is so cold, so wet, so windy, and so miserable that literally the Steelers just pack up and go home. Anything short of an absolute debacle from.
[01:59:14] Speaker B: The Steelers team, let's be honest, they're a lot tougher than we are. That's probably not happening.
[01:59:18] Speaker A: Anything short of an absolute debacle from this Steelers team is going to result in a big old L for us this weekend. So go Browns.
[01:59:25] Speaker B: Well, that'll do it for Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:59:27] Speaker A: Yeah, that's all I got. I can't do this. I can't just read. I can't go through those whole things.
[01:59:30] Speaker B: That's fair. That's fair. Do you know what that takes us to?
[01:59:33] Speaker A: Let's do Ronnie's matchups.
[01:59:34] Speaker B: Ronnie Jam's matchups.
Why do we say it like that?
All right, so I always bring you two matchups that matter because that's what I do. That's all I have time for because I'd like to. I'd rather just live my life than pay any more attention to the Browns. You know, they're really bad.
So this week, I'm going to bring you two really good ones here. Russell Wilson versus the Brown secondary. That's the first one. The Brown secondary this past week got burned by Marquez, Valdez, Scantling and Pay Some Hill.
[02:00:16] Speaker A: There's two really premier players in the NFL.
[02:00:18] Speaker B: I was just letting that marinade for a minute. Like, those are the two guys that we got burned by.
[02:00:21] Speaker A: Let that sink in.
[02:00:23] Speaker B: And I said this in last week's preview in case anyone doesn't remember. If the secondary feast against the Saints, then it's. It is indeed busted. And we need to start thinking about who to go after in the off season and what kind of return we can get out of some of the guys on this roster.
[02:00:39] Speaker A: I think we said if they didn't feast this weekend, then that they were officially booty cheeks.
[02:00:43] Speaker B: Yeah, they're booty cheeks. First one that needs to go. Juan Thornhill. See you done booty cheeks.
But either way, the secondary is officially a liability in my eyes, like, right now. Like, they've been really bad consistently basically all season.
[02:00:57] Speaker A: Denzel's hurt every week.
[02:00:59] Speaker B: Denzel's hurt all the time.
Newsom's been absolutely absolute trash.
[02:01:05] Speaker A: Emerson's regressed.
[02:01:07] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, I just.
As much as I hate Russell Wilson and I hate him, I hate him.
He's playing really well right now.
And so, I mean, if they put forth the same. If I'm talking about the Brown secondary here, if they put forth the same effort that they did last week, it's gonna be a really long day. Russell Wilson's probably gonna throw for 300 plus yards.
He may be the top quarterback in fantasy football this week. I don't know. I'm pretty sure Taysom Hill was so. Had to be. Yeah, I just. It's. It's gonna be bad. They need to at least have some fight for us to have any chance. And then next up here, Browns D line versus Najee Harris.
I'll say it again. The guy that torched us last week, Taysom Hill. And while he was playing quarterback, he was basically just running the ball. He was a glorified running back. This team just gave up 138 yards to that man on 19.7 yards per carry. 19. 19.7 yards per carry.
[02:02:13] Speaker A: Greatest running back of all time.
[02:02:14] Speaker B: If they have another performance like that, Russell Wilson might not Be the top quarterback in fantasy because they won't need him. Najee Harris will be the top running back in fantasy and he'll run for 240 yards.
Look, this defense has looked awful. They need to wake up. I focused on the defense in my matchups that matter because the offense at least moves the ball whether or not they're getting into the end zone, not.
[02:02:36] Speaker A: Into the end zone.
[02:02:37] Speaker B: A lot of that has to do too, with. Not that it's the end zone, but Dustin Hopkins hit a field goal to save his life.
And so, you know, if he could, they would at least be scoring some points. Like they would have had 20 this past week.
Sure.
[02:02:51] Speaker A: It would have changed the game down a stretch to where you thought at.
[02:02:54] Speaker B: One point you would have had the lead.
[02:02:56] Speaker A: Well, at what point you would have been down one possession with. With plenty of time left in the fourth quarter and said you were down 14 points.
[02:03:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So. Yeah. So I'm focusing on the defense here because the defense, Defense is a bigger surprise right now in my eyes. While the offense has been the bigger disappointment on the year, the defense has been the bigger surprise in a bad way. And so in summary here as a team, The Steelers are 8 and 2. Like you mentioned, they're coming off an impressive win against the Ravens. I did not see that coming, but it happened. I've given this team shit all year about not being as good as your record indicates, as I did last week and you did this week. And I'm going to do again here. I'm going to officially acknowledge that I've been wrong all along. This is a very good football team. They're very good because of Mike Tomlin, because they're well coached, they're disciplined.
[02:03:45] Speaker A: We acknowledge them as our tribal leader.
[02:03:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
Mike Tomlin always has his team ready to go buying in and playing for each other, which is the exact opposite of the Cleveland Browns. Like the Browns don't ever do that.
[02:03:59] Speaker A: Even when dumb shit's happening. And here's Browns.
[02:04:03] Speaker B: Right. And here's crazier part.
They aren't loaded with talent like the Browns are. They don't have talent at basically every position like the Browns do. They have some.
[02:04:13] Speaker A: The key position.
[02:04:14] Speaker B: They have some. For sure. They have make key positions like you said.
But again, I go back to. They always play for each other and play as a team and give maximum effort. And I guess, you know, all that just to say that that's the difference in the NFL between eight and two. In two and eight, that's what we are. Yeah. Speaking of two and eight. The Browns two and eight record coming off a devastating loss to the Bengals. It was one of the worst feeling losses I can remember.
I'm sorry. A devastating loss to the Saints. This is one of the worst feeling losses I can remember. And the Cowboys game was only 10 weeks ago. And the Giants game was eight weeks ago. And the Raiders game was seven weeks ago. And the Commanders game was six weeks ago. The Eagles game was five weeks ago. The Bengals game was four weeks ago. The Chargers game was two weeks ago.
I say it every time, that the Browns fans are phenomenal for putting up with this. And it's true. The Browns fans are Saints. You see what I did there? Yeah. Yeah. For putting up with this shit. Like it's. It's fucking bullshit.
[02:05:16] Speaker A: Brown is Creole for Saints.
[02:05:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. This team's the worst team in the league. Like, they just are. The Browns are really bad guys. It's probably going to be a really, really long night for them.
[02:05:26] Speaker A: The poor kid from New Rollins was. Was trying to build up our spirits. He said, I think you guys could beat Carolina. We're like, no, no, we can't.
[02:05:34] Speaker B: We can't. Yeah. So. So in this game tonight, since I know this is coming out on Thursday, I give the Browns about a one in a billion chance to win.
And even that might be generous. So Kenny, let us know what the betting info says.
[02:05:49] Speaker A: Right now it's only two and a half, but it is Fe for the Steelers. And the over under is 36 and a half.
[02:05:55] Speaker B: Nice.
I'm probably taking the over.
Not that I'm giving betting advice, but I'm just saying this. The Steelers are probably going to score a 36 and a half by themselves. So maybe you have. You can't take the over because the Browns won't score any.
[02:06:09] Speaker A: We're the worst.
[02:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you have a player to watch, Kenny?
[02:06:15] Speaker A: Yes.
[02:06:16] Speaker B: Who?
[02:06:16] Speaker A: No one. This team isn't worth spending four hours on Sunday watching. Stick with us for two hours each Thursday. We'll bring you everything you need to know. All the news you can use to keep up with this miserable lot.
[02:06:25] Speaker B: Wow. You. Nobody with us.
[02:06:27] Speaker A: Nobody.
[02:06:27] Speaker B: The player to watch is the Burning River Sportscast.
[02:06:29] Speaker A: No one is worth watching on this team.
[02:06:30] Speaker B: I said whoever plays left tackle. Because you know, Dwan Jones is out for the season. Jed Will's making business decisions. Who knows who's going to play left tackle?
[02:06:37] Speaker A: I think it was a fetty who came in on that.
[02:06:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. But that's not to say they're not. I don't Know. I don't know.
[02:06:42] Speaker A: I don't.
[02:06:43] Speaker B: I don't know what browns do.
[02:06:44] Speaker A: They're the worst.
[02:06:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
And that'll take us to gast.
All right. Is that time again, Kenny. The time where we let everybody know what's getting us gassed up. This could be excited. This could be pissed off.
[02:07:01] Speaker A: Time to be gassed up.
[02:07:02] Speaker B: But we're gassed up. So I'm gonna start with you. What's getting you gassed up right now?
[02:07:06] Speaker A: We had a great trip this weekend in new orleans.
[02:07:08] Speaker B: We did.
[02:07:09] Speaker A: We did. Outside of the browns. We bet.
I will say one thing that caught my eye that put me in a gassed up state of mind.
Just people who have zero self awareness about them think the whole world revolves around them.
This wasn't necessarily brown.
[02:07:32] Speaker B: You're gassed up about yourself.
[02:07:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Thanks.
Good one.
[02:07:36] Speaker B: I jest. Digest.
[02:07:37] Speaker A: Good one.
This wasn't necessarily brown fans, but what I saw happening over and over again was like, you're waiting on an elevator. You and like two other people. These are small elevators, you know, you guys have been waiting for.
[02:07:52] Speaker B: New orleans is old. So, like, elevators are small, like things like that.
[02:07:55] Speaker A: And an elevator light dings on, and just randomly out of nowhere, some dude in a suitcase just swoops right in. Like. Like he's been waiting for this elevator for five minutes. And you haven't just in general going in and out doors. Just people that just are just kind of. They think that they're the only one going through the doors. You step right in front of you. I was parked. I let my wife off at an acme or something a couple weeks ago, and I was driving around a parking lot to keep the baby from crying. And while she was in the store, been there and saw a lady park her car in the fire lane outside of the dollar store. Because you know, she can. She was only going to be a minute, I'm sure, and the whole world revolved around her.
[02:08:40] Speaker B: So, you know, I make a couple.
[02:08:41] Speaker A: More laps and I see her come out of the dollar store and she gets back into her car. And now she's following me. And I'm heading. Approaching the grocery store again. And I get to the stop sign at the grocery store in the crosswalk. Yeah, there's people. It's a grocery store. So I stop. Well, this lady with no regard for human life just decides to go around me because apparently I'm holding up her day because I've stopped at a crosswalk where people to go through. Yeah.
And I just can't stand these People like that, they're just like, can we just be just respectful of one another? And, like, I just can't stand the idea that, like, there's no one else. This is my world, and you're just living in it. I just have such a low tolerance for these.
Just these rudimentary brains that can't seem. Seem to get along in society. And I think it's those kinds of people that really create all the problems for the rest of us in this world. Like, if you can't just be patient enough to wait your turn to get on an elevator, like, you're just the worst kind of person.
[02:09:47] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fair.
[02:09:48] Speaker A: Like, I think the. Like, all the bad things that happen in the world, they're your fault.
[02:09:51] Speaker B: Dude, the. The elevator one, I know exactly which one you were talking about. I was so annoyed when that dude jumped on the elevator.
[02:09:56] Speaker A: I'm just like, why? Like, why you couldn't wait one more second?
[02:10:00] Speaker B: Like, it's just to paint the picture for everybody there. It wasn't just, like, a bunch of drunk browns fans that were sitting there waiting for the elevator. They were like women, children, everything else that you can think of in line.
[02:10:12] Speaker A: It's a big hotel. There's a lot of other people there.
[02:10:14] Speaker B: And it was right when a big group of people, not only true fan travel, but, like, other people were checking in at the same time. So, like, there was a big group of people there just waiting for the elevators to go up and this guy just on everyone.
[02:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:10:27] Speaker B: So I almost. I almost had a throwback Ronnie moment where I was like, let's take care of this right now.
[02:10:33] Speaker A: Look, I would have supported you. I would have been there if you were like, by a code.
[02:10:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:10:42] Speaker B: No, that's a good one.
Listen, do you remember what my gassed up was last week?
[02:10:51] Speaker A: You were gassed up about.
[02:10:58] Speaker B: No lack of water pressure and no hot water in hotel rooms. You know where this is going?
[02:11:05] Speaker A: You know where you're going?
[02:11:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So I'm gassed up this week about too much hot water in hotels because we went to this hotel. It's my only complaint, really, about basically the entire trip. Besides Zach, you brought that. That one single guy up is. We got into our hotel, and it wasn't even in the shower. The shower was great. Like, it was a perfect shower. Like, water pressure. It got sufficiently warm. Everything was great with the shower. I go to wash my hands.
And what do you do when you wash your hands?
[02:11:36] Speaker A: Right.
[02:11:36] Speaker B: You turn on the hot and cold about the same, right? Yeah, about the same or you just.
[02:11:39] Speaker A: Turn around just barely.
[02:11:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:11:43] Speaker A: Literally sometimes you turn one on because you're just like, I'm only going to be for few seconds to get the handle.
[02:11:47] Speaker B: Which is acceptable as well.
[02:11:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:11:49] Speaker B: Which even with the hot water, you turn the hot water on. That's typically what I do is like it's. It's going to. By the time it gets like super.
[02:11:54] Speaker A: Hot, like it comes out cold and it gets warmer, and then by the time it's too hot, you turn it off.
[02:11:57] Speaker B: So the first time we get into the like right when we get in the hotel room, you go to the bathroom because you know you're settling in and I go to wash my hands, turn on the hot water, put my hands underneath. Within a second and a half scolding hot water that I'm so surprised my hands didn't literally melt off. I was like, what the was that so hot? So then I turn on the cold full, like all the way and I'm like, okay, yeah, we're good to go. Put my hands underneath. Second burn. I got burned again. The cold water literally did nothing to it. Absolutely nothing. Once the hot water had taken over, there was no going back.
[02:12:36] Speaker A: My brain couldn't comprehend the fact. I couldn't figure out whether the water was hot or cold. My hands were in so much pain.
[02:12:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:12:42] Speaker A: I was like, is it so cold that my hands are hurting me?
[02:12:45] Speaker B: This was the first time in my life I was like, maybe then people at McDonald's that got burnt, that burnt their mouths because it was too hot. Maybe they had a point. Cuz, like, it's too hot.
[02:12:53] Speaker A: You should.
[02:12:53] Speaker B: I turn on the hot water. I know it's hot, but this was too hot for hand consumption.
[02:12:57] Speaker A: Like human consumption.
[02:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it was just wild. Like, I. I can't. I literally can't explain to you how hot this water was.
[02:13:05] Speaker A: I mean, to get up in the middle of the night and pee and then go to wash your hands and.
[02:13:07] Speaker B: Have especially you're groggy and you're like fingers burnt off. That was at least twice while we were there. I woke up in the middle of the night to Kenny going from the bathroom because he burned his hands.
[02:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I could not figure out how to get the knobs right to where you could wash your hands and anything other than just by turning on the cold water. Yeah, that's pretty much what I resorted to.
[02:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah. It was using the cold water. It was just wild. So hotels. Make sure you guys. I guess I should have prefaced, you know, I should have been more specific last week when I was gassed up. And get your water levels at the right place, you know what I'm saying? Like hot water, cold water and water pressure. Make sure they're all in a good spot.
[02:13:49] Speaker A: That was wild. That was the hottest water I've ever felt.
[02:13:52] Speaker B: So hot.
[02:13:52] Speaker A: So hot.
[02:13:53] Speaker B: So that's what I'm gassed up about. But you know what that takes us to, Kenny?
[02:13:57] Speaker A: I don't know.
[02:13:58] Speaker B: It's time for King of the North.
All right. So in case anyone doesn't know by now. Yes. We're going to go through this entire spiel again. This is our year long AFC north pickup competition at the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished. In the preseason last year, Kenny had a gross eggs thrown at him by fans in the muni lot before a game. In the preseason this year, Kenny had his entire head of hair and beard shaved. Clean off, a lot of hair donated. It was a good time. Good time. Good time for me at least punishment this season. Tentatively. Tentatively. I know you proposed a new one, but tentatively. New proposal is you have to go to a public pool, get in the pool, and then publicly announce that you have peed and said pool. Bone was very confused on this over the weekend. He thought we were actually getting in the pool and peeing. And we had to inform him, no, you don't actually pee in the pool. You just tell people you pee.
[02:14:54] Speaker A: You just want to free people off for a second.
[02:14:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So which I guess that's where the legality part of this comes in. Like, is that inciting some sort of riot? I don't know.
[02:15:01] Speaker A: We do. We want to get somebody angry enough to hit you, but stop them before they.
[02:15:05] Speaker B: The cameras are rolling. Yeah. Yeah. Where's TV show?
Yeah. So that's still on the table. We're not 100% sure, but we've come up with a backup plan at this point which. Which isn't approved yet. We need Bone here to approve it.
[02:15:18] Speaker A: If you don't want to pee in the pool, you can eat as many hot dogs as you can can until you puke.
[02:15:24] Speaker B: Which I can't believe you would agree to that because I guess you could because that'd be like four hot dogs for you. You'd be like, I just figured like.
[02:15:31] Speaker A: At some point I'll just. You just will involuntarily puke.
[02:15:34] Speaker B: You know, you have to. Either that or you die.
I mean, hopefully not, but we'll see what happens. But let's go ahead and get into this. First things first, I want to remind everybody that Bone is the reigning defending king of the North. If he were here, he'd be doing this.
[02:15:49] Speaker A: He's not. He's saving the world.
[02:15:51] Speaker B: And so, Kenny, as always, you're a clown. Thank you. Although once again, admittedly, I find myself in last place, so. Feels bad. Feels bad.
And just to. Just to remind everybody of the current. Current scores, current records, after week 11, Bone sits at 20 and 17. And Kenny and I, in that order, due to tiebreakers, are at 17 and 20.
And so let's go ahead and get into this week's games. Bank Bengals are on by. So that only gives us two games to pick from. Seeing as the Browns play a division opponent, we'll start with the Ravens. They are going to the Chargers. Kenny, who you got?
[02:16:31] Speaker A: Yes, The Ravens and the Chargers. So the Ravens are going to the Chargers.
[02:16:38] Speaker B: Yes.
[02:16:41] Speaker A: Jim Harbaugh is owing to.
[02:16:44] Speaker B: Oh, this is the. This is the Harbaugh.
[02:16:46] Speaker A: The hardball. Jim is owing two versus John, and the last one was a Super bowl. So I figure he owes his older brother one. And Jesse Minter has that defense. Playing outstanding football last week made me a believer in the Chargers. I'm going Chargers over Baltimore.
I was. I've been kind of on the fence. Like, I knew they were going to be better this year. I believe Jim Harbaugh would get them turned around, turn him into a good football team. Last week playing the Bengals, they had a huge lead and gave it all up in the third quarter, third and fourth quarter, and the Bengals tied the game. And then they kind of went back and forth and the whole. What I kept saying during that time was, when that happens to you as a football team, it's really easy to pack it. It's really easy to just go. Everything that can go wrong is going wrong. And it's just a downhill slide from there that you absolutely cannot stop. The Chargers found a way against a tough opponent that was just scoring points at will to finally make a stop, stand up, and then put the ball in the end zone. I was impressed. That moment made me believe ruin this Chargers team. I think this Chargers team can absolutely make some noise this year. Obviously they're in a tough division with the Chiefs, so we'll see how that plays out when playoffs come around. But assuming they don't get a shitty draw, like, early, like, I think this Chargers team could. Can make a run.
[02:18:08] Speaker B: No all fair points. And the Chargers do look good, but I'm not quite there yet.
Not that I don't think they're good. I think they're a good team.
But I'm going to go with the Ravens in this one. They're coming off that loss to the Steelers and I think they're pissed off because I truly think that they don't think they played their best and they had a chance there at the end to still tie it up and going over time and you could see the frustration from everybody after that. And the Ravens are the type of organization that, unlike the Browns and when things go bad, it seems to snowball. The Ravens typically use these. And I hate them. I hate the Ravens. But they use these moments as opportunities to kind of galvanize the team and say, let's all pick each other up. Let's go out there. Let's win a big game and get back on track.
It's really the reason why not. Not just them. And again, I hate both of these teams, but that's why them and the Steelers have been so good for so long.
[02:19:08] Speaker A: The Ravens also lost to the Browns and they're the worst football team in the planet.
[02:19:11] Speaker B: That's true. And they're. They're often.
[02:19:12] Speaker A: Or.
[02:19:13] Speaker B: I'm sorry, their defense has been a little bit of a liability. So it's kind of weakness on weakness for both those teams because the strength of the weakness of the Ravens is their defense. The weakness of the Chargers is their offense, and it's flipped for their strengths. So Ravens really good on offense. Chargers really good on defense.
[02:19:32] Speaker A: I got Chargers. I think that Chargers offense is pretty good for not having a bunch of superstars on it, though.
[02:19:37] Speaker B: That's fair. But I still think the Ravens score a lot of points in this. I think Derek Henry is going to be running like a madman.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him have like 170 yards.
[02:19:51] Speaker A: Fair enough. You want a piece of all that?
I would be surprised there because San Diego's defense is really good.
[02:19:56] Speaker B: It is. It is. But I still like the Ravens. And then Bone man phoned in his picks today. He also has the Ravens winning this one out west.
[02:20:06] Speaker A: Interesting.
[02:20:07] Speaker B: So that'll take us finally to the Browns at home for Thursday Night Football on Amazon prime. No affiliation whatsoever against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I'll go ahead and start in this.
I gave them one in a billion chance and said that was generous. So the Steelers are going to win 34 to 13. It's not going to be close. It's going to be really bad. It's going to be really bad. I'm going to be really mad. And it's going to be really bad.
Kenny, who you got?
[02:20:38] Speaker A: Yes. I said it would have to be the worst day possible. Everything would have to go wrong.
Everything would have to go right for the Browns. I just don't see those things happening. What's the over? Under 36 and a half. I'll go Steelers by 36 and a half.
[02:20:54] Speaker B: What's the score there? You gotta give a score. I mean, if you want to pick 36 and a half, we know your score is gonna be wrong, but I'll go.
[02:21:00] Speaker A: Steelers 36. Zero.
[02:21:03] Speaker B: Whoa. So you went with the under?
[02:21:05] Speaker A: Actually, yeah, I'll go with the under.
[02:21:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[02:21:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think it'll probably.
[02:21:09] Speaker B: It came down to the Browns scoring one point for betters to win.
I think.
[02:21:16] Speaker A: I think it'll actually be. I think it would actually be more a 1916 game, but I'm going 36 to 0. That's my official prediction.
[02:21:23] Speaker B: Those are two completely different things.
[02:21:25] Speaker A: Well, I'm just going on, you know, if the line is three and a half or whatever it is. So, yeah, fair enough.
[02:21:32] Speaker B: And then once again, Bone phoned in his pick the Bone phone.
[02:21:36] Speaker A: The Bone phone.
[02:21:37] Speaker B: He has Steelers 33 to 17.
So that'll do it. We'll see. I mean, could be a little bit. One of us is going to be solidly in last place instead of just tiebreaker last place.
[02:21:52] Speaker A: That's true.
[02:21:53] Speaker B: So we'll see. We'll see.
[02:21:55] Speaker A: This weekend will change everything in the king of the north.
[02:21:57] Speaker B: This will change everything.
But with that, let me remind everybody. Call the burning response. Guys.
I remember calling your hot takes on the hot take out. We want hot takes.
[02:22:07] Speaker A: We want hot takes.
[02:22:08] Speaker B: Hot takes, Hot takes, Hot takes, Hot takes, Hot takes.
[02:22:11] Speaker A: Hot takes, Hot takes, hot takes.
[02:22:12] Speaker B: Give us Hot Takes. 03-3022-780803-30278-00330, 2278-08080. Call now. Operators are nope, not standing by. And be sure to check out our gear. Www.thetappamedia.com shop that'll do it for us. What can we expect next week, Kenny?
[02:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah, you want to know what you can expect next week?
[02:22:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll listen.
[02:22:35] Speaker A: I'll tell you.
[02:22:36] Speaker B: Tell me.
[02:22:42] Speaker A: We're not going to be alive this week.
[02:22:45] Speaker B: Most likely not. Right.
[02:22:46] Speaker A: Because the Browns play Thursday, so it's going to be a late night, and.
[02:22:51] Speaker B: By the time Sunday rolls around, nobody's going to want to hear about the Browns anymore.
[02:22:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So we're just going to. We're going to go. I know the schedule Got kind of goofy here because we were in New Orleans. And then the Browns play on Thursday, So no, live two weeks in a row. Sorry, I know it feels bad, but we'll be back next Thursday with the new show.
I think there's some birthdays and things going on this weekend, too, so it just doesn't make sense to do a live show. Yeah, but next Thursday, we'll be back with the Week 12 recap in the Week 13 preview for Monday Night Football against the Broncos, which the Browns always play well out west, so looking forward to that one.
And I know we already have Pikes Peak out there in the Denver area. Browns backers on the hook for a quick conversation with them as well.
[02:23:40] Speaker B: Yeah, and don't forget to check us out on social media. Tapping media is on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. At the Tappan Media. I'm Burning Over Sportscast. That's this. This podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, tick tock and YouTube at burning sportscast on X at Burning over Pod. You can find our podcast wherever you get your podcast. I'm talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora, iHeartRadio podcast, Castro. Good pods. We're your number one rated football podcast. And so many more. Do you know what that takes us to, Ken? Hey, facts for Kenny. What do you got for facts for.
[02:24:25] Speaker A: Days for us, number one.
[02:24:27] Speaker B: Number one, numero uno.
[02:24:31] Speaker A: Bananas are radioactive.
[02:24:34] Speaker B: What?
[02:24:35] Speaker A: Bananas. They're radioactive.
[02:24:38] Speaker B: I like bananas.
[02:24:39] Speaker A: Well, they're radioactive due to being rich in person. Potassium.
[02:24:43] Speaker B: Am I going to die soon?
[02:24:44] Speaker A: They contain the natural isotope potassium 40. Interestingly, your body contains around 16 milligrams of potassium 40, meaning you're already around 280 times more radioactive than a banana.
[02:24:57] Speaker B: Radioactive. Sorry.
[02:24:59] Speaker A: So any excess potassium 40 you gain from a banana is excreted out within a few hours.
[02:25:06] Speaker B: Nice.
So basically, I have superpowers. I'm. Basically, I'm in the market. Marvel Cinematic Universe.
[02:25:12] Speaker A: You eat a banana, you're the Hulk. Basically.
[02:25:15] Speaker B: Just for a minute, though.
[02:25:16] Speaker A: Just for a minute.
[02:25:17] Speaker B: Fair.
[02:25:18] Speaker A: Number two, deaf people.
[02:25:23] Speaker B: Deaf people. Sound like you said deaf people. Deaf people. Deaf.
[02:25:26] Speaker A: Deaf are known to use sign language in their sleep. Wait, case studies?
[02:25:32] Speaker B: No.
[02:25:33] Speaker A: Case studies of individuals with rapid eye movement disorder and a severe hearing impairment showed them using sign language in their sleep, giving researchers. Giving researchers the ability to have an idea of what they were dreaming about.
[02:25:48] Speaker B: Wow, that's actually incredible.
[02:25:51] Speaker A: I don't know, like, what they use as a frame of reference for what they. But there's their sign they're dreaming something.
[02:25:57] Speaker B: Well, it's like when we were in New Orleans and you were saying holes are made for climbing into.
Like, that's. They're like. I don't know what they're dreaming about, but they just told me holes are. Holes are made for climbing into.
[02:26:08] Speaker A: That's true.
[02:26:09] Speaker B: So.
[02:26:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those things.
[02:26:14] Speaker B: I know.
[02:26:15] Speaker A: And number three.
[02:26:16] Speaker B: Number three.
[02:26:17] Speaker A: Number three. Extra days in 2013, a 28 year old woman from Shambur, India.
[02:26:25] Speaker B: Yeah, My favorite town.
[02:26:29] Speaker A: She was constipated for 45 days.
She eventually had to undergo a surgical removal of a fecal mass the size of a football.
[02:26:48] Speaker B: What?
[02:26:49] Speaker A: Other cases of extreme constipation have been linked to spinal cord damage.
[02:26:54] Speaker B: Relocation up football facts. And this is what you found or.
[02:26:57] Speaker A: Rather rare medical conditions which affects the nerves controlling the muscles of the intestine.
[02:27:02] Speaker B: The size of a football.
[02:27:04] Speaker A: Size of a football.
[02:27:06] Speaker B: Like NFL or like peewee NFL regulation.
[02:27:09] Speaker A: The Duke.
[02:27:10] Speaker B: What? That's a Mondo Duke.
[02:27:13] Speaker A: Mondo Duke what? Yeah. This is a big one. I mean, can you imagine being conspirator for 45 days?
[02:27:18] Speaker B: No.
[02:27:19] Speaker A: No. And then they.
[02:27:20] Speaker B: I hate it when I'm constipated for like 45 minutes.
[02:27:25] Speaker A: And then, then, you know, football moved out of you.
[02:27:27] Speaker C: Ew.
[02:27:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Rough day. Feels bad for that person.
Hopefully y'all enjoyed factor days today.
[02:27:36] Speaker B: I'm just flabbergasted right now. Like what?
Oh, my God.
Speaking of Mondo Dukes, the side of football the size of footballs. You know what Bone would say about that? Bon appetit.
[02:27:51] Speaker A: He would love it.
Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:27:57] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
Burning river sports cast.
[02:28:06] Speaker A: Burning river.
[02:28:08] Speaker B: Burning River Sportscast. Listen to us. Burning every Thursday, Sunday, except for this Sunday, because we won't be live.
[02:28:15] Speaker A: Not last Sunday if we weren't live. Burning river sports cast.
[02:28:19] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:28:20] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland. And Akan.
[02:28:22] Speaker B: Night, Akan.
[02:28:23] Speaker A: Night, Bone.
[02:28:24] Speaker B: Quiet on set.
[02:28:25] Speaker A: I now have two loves in my life.
[02:28:29] Speaker B: Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt.
[02:28:38] Speaker A: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:28:42] Speaker B: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:28:44] Speaker A: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:28:47] Speaker B: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up because it's top. Not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the burning river sports cat.
[02:28:57] Speaker A: Motorboat.
[02:28:58] Speaker B: You play the motorboat.
[02:29:01] Speaker C: You've motor boat of a.
[02:29:02] Speaker B: You old sailor, you.
[02:29:03] Speaker A: You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:29:05] Speaker B: What? What were you think? Nothing, cuz you don't have thoughts cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:29:10] Speaker A: Wow.
[02:29:11] Speaker B: My name is Uhtred. Son of Uhtred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:29:17] Speaker A: W. Women's Guide to To Anal Sex and it was the second edition. Who makes second edition? The weather outside is weather.
[02:29:25] Speaker B: The other one, the finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh, my. My God. My ass is full of he. Everywhere. Yes.
[02:29:34] Speaker A: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:29:36] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:29:37] Speaker B: Oh, no. We suck again.
[02:29:40] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:29:43] Speaker A: And. And Jesus.
[02:29:44] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[02:29:45] Speaker A: That's right.
[02:29:45] Speaker B: Touchdown. Anyway, what do you mean funny?
[02:29:48] Speaker C: Funny how?
[02:29:48] Speaker B: How am I funny? It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:29:51] Speaker A: Timber.
Goddamn.
[02:29:54] Speaker B: Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like, like, like the meat pod Slow roasted.
[02:30:03] Speaker A: The leads are weak. The leads are weak.
[02:30:06] Speaker C: Leads are weak. You're weak.
[02:30:09] Speaker A: Then we should send a team of oil core drillers. Allah. Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:30:18] Speaker B: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. I mean, when I last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground. Wow. But damn.
[02:30:29] Speaker A: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:30:34] Speaker B: You know why, mister?
[02:30:36] Speaker A: Because you drove a Hyundai to get.
[02:30:38] Speaker B: Here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
It's Mother Nature. I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:30:54] Speaker A: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:30:55] Speaker B: I desperately want to make love.
[02:30:57] Speaker A: We need cheese girl. Now who's canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[02:31:06] Speaker B: Probably me.
[02:31:06] Speaker A: You making it for the fat people?
[02:31:09] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[02:31:11] Speaker A: We're whole race, basically.
[02:31:14] Speaker B: No way. You just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:31:20] Speaker C: You first get shocked and then you.
[02:31:22] Speaker B: Get the shocker.
[02:31:25] Speaker A: You like to see almost naked.
[02:31:26] Speaker B: That's cool, man.
[02:31:27] Speaker A: Whatever.
[02:31:28] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. Most people like they're driving along and they're like in between meals, like, I'm a little hungry. I'm gonna have a granola bar. And he's like, I need a cheeseburger.
[02:31:37] Speaker A: Not entertained?
[02:31:39] Speaker B: Are you not entertained?
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