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[00:00:55] Speaker B: Media it's time.
[00:01:18] Speaker C: Time for the Burning river sportscast. The stage has been set and NFL championship week is upon us. The Ravens, probably the NFL's best all season, will take on perennial contender and pop culture powerhouse Taylor Swift and the Chiefs, representing the NFC. Preseason darling San Francisco continues their run of dominant defense and efficient offense as they have all season long. Except the time the Browns beat them down with a journeyman named PJ Walker. And they will face off one of the hottest teams in the league, a team that feels like it's playing for more than football. The long and battled and beleaguered Detroit Lions. Ravens, Chiefs, Niners, Lions. One of these teams will be crowned champion in the midst of the NFL season winding down, the other 28 teams sit, wondering how they could still be playing football this time next year. Some, like your Cleveland Browns, have already taken decisive actions into figuring that out.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: And we'll break it all down for.
[00:02:11] Speaker C: You next on the Burning river sportscast.
[00:02:23] Speaker B: Patrick Mahomes is a friggin'wizard.
[00:02:25] Speaker C: Wide right.
[00:02:27] Speaker B: I know that guy's. He's probably getting cut tomorrow.
Sorry about that.
[00:02:32] Speaker C: History repeats itself.
I only have one word of caution about this Detroit thing. What is it?
This Detroit team is going to be good for a couple of years, and these Detroit fans are going to get really annoying.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: Oh, that's probably fair. Yeah, absolutely. Think about how annoying Browns fans would be to everybody else if we won once, right?
Because Jordan love on first and ten with two timeouts left and full.
[00:03:06] Speaker C: Bret Farv.
[00:03:06] Speaker B: Yeah, he was like, I'm going to throw it into three guys, triple coverage.
[00:03:16] Speaker C: That would be the ultimate villain move for Baker Mayfield, I think. Baker Mayfield, he's instantly the best quarterback on that roster.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: Listen, Baker was here long enough for me to know that Baker's petty.
[00:03:29] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, ultimate villain.
[00:03:31] Speaker B: And Baker would definitely go to Pittsburgh just so he would have the chance, even if it doesn't work out the way he wants it to.
[00:03:37] Speaker C: Just the chance to knock the Browns.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Chance to shit on the Browns every year, twice a year.
And Rogers got broken.
He ran the flag out, and then he was gone.
[00:03:54] Speaker C: He was gone.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: And we will also have our own tiki hut that we'll be doing a podcast from the beach type thing.
[00:04:07] Speaker C: A beach cast.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: A burning river beach cast. Burning River beach cast. I will be interviewing.
[00:04:18] Speaker C: What is the Super bowl? That would be if it's Detroit versus Kansas City. Because the Kansas City's got, you know, the Kelsey's and Taylor Swift. It'll be like pop culture America versus, like, hardworking, blue collar America. It'll just be a civil war. Yeah, it'll be on its own.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: It'll be awesome. So much more interesting than Baltimore versus San Francisco.
[00:04:42] Speaker C: Welcome in to another exciting edition of the Burning river sportscast, presented by tapping media and brought to you by seaside events. As the official cruise event provider of the Cleveland Browns and organizer of the Browns fan cruise, I'm Kenny Thunder. Like El Resrow, I keep half my brain tied behind my back just to keep it fair. Joined, as always, by the man who once piloted a personal aircraft in an emergency, landing safely smack dab in the middle of Kim Kardashian's landing strip. Red hot Ronnie jams.
Our hearts are out and heavy with the big bone man in this family tonight who will not be joining us due to an unexpected family emergency. If you watch or listen to the show and you love the big bone, say a prayer, drop a thought, color a picture, whatever your God says you're supposed to do when hoping for peace in a difficult time. Back to red hot. Where can our listeners find all the burning river sports guest content, including our exclusive interviews with browns backers and former Cleveland Browns players in preparation for what is going to be, as Frank Stamps put it, the most fun you're allowed to have in international waters. The Browns fan cruise, put on by our good partner, seaside events.
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[00:06:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: Hi there.
[00:06:32] Speaker C: You mean take over?
[00:06:33] Speaker B: No, I'm good. We got all kinds of stuff in the shop. The cruise line, the chubb line, cold weather gear. It's all there. Make sure you get some. I actually just ordered all of our cruise stuff for us. Nice stuff. Going to be good.
[00:06:47] Speaker C: Cruise chef. Cruise chef. Cruise chef.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Yeah, but make sure you checked out the store. We're constantly adding new things there. So here's the deal.
The Browns are out of the playoffs, so we had to watch the Ratbird dominate the team that beat us this week. So it felt really bad. I hate the playoffs when the Browns aren't in them, especially when a division rival is playing well, it's always the worst. So I don't have a lot of quips to get into this thing. I just want to get into it.
[00:07:17] Speaker C: It's not like college where you kind of root for your conference to, like.
[00:07:19] Speaker B: No, because people tried to do that last year, if you remember, and we on the show were firmly against that. Because what's the point of like? It's not like college. Your conference being tougher doesn't do anything for anybody. You don't get style points in the NFL anywhere. No. Just because you're in a tough conference, you don't get the benefit of the doubt. When you have that one extra loss and it comes down to the end of the season, it's strictly.
[00:07:48] Speaker C: Style points in college.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: Yeah. There's no committee involved, so it's strictly by your record and all the tiebreakers that are already in place.
[00:07:56] Speaker C: And we know we're in the toughest division.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So I don't want any of them to win.
And it doesn't do anything for us to say, well, the AFC north won a championship.
Doesn't do anything for. So, yeah, I don't root for anybody in the division. I only root for the Browns, and I only root for the Browns in general. So there's that.
[00:08:16] Speaker C: Go Browns.
[00:08:17] Speaker B: Go Browns. But let's get into it. What do we have planned for him today, Kenny? Well, I'll tell you why just me, I don't know.
Today we've got updates on the Cleveland Browns, all news that has broken in the past week. There's actually been quite a few things, so we'll get into all that. We follow that with the divisional round recap for the NFL. No Browns Backers interviews today. Still letting everyone decompress from the season. May do some of these in the offseason, may not. We may keep that as a football season thing. We'll see. We're still kind of deciding where we want to go with the Brownsbackers interviews, but they will be back. They will be back. Also, no interview with the Browns alumni that will be joining us on the Cleveland Browns fan cruise in March. We have one left. I'll go ahead and say it's going to be Handford Dixon, but we're just working on schedule, so we got to get him scheduled. There's only not that many days left before the fan cruise. So it's going to happen. It's going to happen here soon.
[00:09:10] Speaker C: Has to be Handford Dixon because he's the only one left that we haven't interviewed on the fan cruise, right?
[00:09:14] Speaker B: Yes. So that'll be out soon, and you guys will be the first to hear it because you'll be listening.
But in the meantime, go back and catch the old ones. Great stories to be heard there. And we've also started cutting these up into real shorts, TikToks, depending on what platform you're on. So make sure you check all of those out.
And then finally, we round out the show today with the AFC NFC conference championship previews. So without further gilding to Lily, and with no more ado, I give to you, the one, the only, the burning river sports guest.
God, I'm good.
Oh, and this is the burning river news story of the week.
Okay, so we've got an interesting one for you today for the news story of the week. Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Those nutty guys down in Oklahoma have announced a bill that would ban you from sending sexy selfies unless you are married. Yes, you heard that right. The wide reaching bill would make merely viewing obscene materials a felony. It would also restrict unlawful porn distribution and production, with enforcement possible through both criminal prosecution and private lawsuits, and make it a misdemeanor to pose for, exhibit or publish unlawful porn. And of course, it would define these terms to include a huge array of sexually charged adult activity far beyond what many people would consider pornography.
Kenny, I'm going to start with you. I have my own thoughts, but I'm going to start with you. What do you think here?
[00:10:57] Speaker C: Well, I would say, just to kind of round that out, the bill does say specifically that it's not meant to prevent spouses from sending images of a sexual nature to each other. So that's how we got kind of the headline of this would stop sexy selfies from anyone but a spouse, but literally intended for a spouse. But the way that this bill is written, this is so far, wide ranging, comes to us from our good friend senator, state senator Dusty Devers.
With a name like that, of course you're against porn.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: It's probably pretty dusty himself.
[00:11:34] Speaker C: So this wasn't actually introduced yet. It's supposed to be formally introduced on February 5, but the text has already been filed last week. So we have a little bit of advanced notice into how wide ranging this is.
[00:11:44] Speaker B: Probably because it's so ridiculous. And somebody was like, I got to let people know this is going to be fucking wild.
[00:11:49] Speaker C: You mentioned kind of how to define unlawful porn. What does that mean? Well, I'll tell you what it means. Specifically. It's any visual depiction or individual image stored or contained in any format on any medium, including, but not limited to film, motion picture, videotape, photograph, negative, undeveloped film slide, photographic product, reproduction of a photograph of product, play or performance. When the depiction involves basically any sort of sex act. Nudity, partial nudity or sexual fetish.
So that includes sexual intercourse which is, quote, normal or perverted.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: What does that even mean?
Like, who's the judge of what's normal and perverted?
[00:12:29] Speaker C: Normally, I thought maybe perverted would be like, oral or anal. But the bill goes on to describe oral and anal and masturbation.
Well, I mean, compared to normal sex, I guess. I don't know. What is normal sex?
[00:12:45] Speaker B: That's what I mean. Like, who's to say what's normal?
[00:12:48] Speaker C: Also included is any lewd exhibition of uncovered genitals, buttocks, or if such female. This person is a female, the breast, for the purpose of sexual stimulation of the viewer. Look, if any of this makes you uncomfortable, this is written in a law, in a bill to be voted on by state congress in Oklahoma.
[00:13:03] Speaker B: How do you, with a straight face, sit down and write this whole, like, just the way that you read it right now? I'd be laughing my ass off. I'd be like, I can't believe I'm even writing those guys.
[00:13:11] Speaker C: So this is way further than stupid.
[00:13:15] Speaker B: Do they think this is like, you know what this is? Have you ever seen Handmaid's tale?
[00:13:20] Speaker C: I'm so familiar.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: Not necessarily just 100. I mean, it also is against women as well as men, but it's just to the point where it's like this dystopian future where the government is looking over your shoulder at all times and everything you do, you have no rights anymore.
[00:13:40] Speaker C: It's just such a strange infatuation for the government to have with porn in general.
[00:13:45] Speaker B: Right.
[00:13:46] Speaker C: Porn has long been covered by the First Amendment.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Not today. Isn't there something in there about the First Amendment?
[00:13:52] Speaker C: Most court cases, well, their position is that it shouldn't be covered by the First Amendment.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: It doesn't matter if it's already established that it is. It shouldn't be.
[00:14:01] Speaker C: Yeah. In fact, let's see. Who was it? So the group is part of a spearheaded larger initiative called project 2025 with a bunch of different conservative groups on the advisory board, where they literally are, like, on this mission to prevent porn because it should be outlawed and the people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned.
So, look, just, again, thinking about the wide range of this. This isn't just like, man, I got another dick pick on my phone.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: We can all agree unsolicited dick picks, not okay.
[00:14:41] Speaker C: They should outlaw that.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: Matter of fact, I think they have.
[00:14:45] Speaker C: This would be wide ranging to things like x videos only. Fans like individual producers of content that take their clothes off for a living.
So any social media platform, video app.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: Streaming service, do they just black out Pornhub in Oklahoma?
[00:15:02] Speaker C: I guess they would have to.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: If you live in Oklahoma, you can't access our website.
[00:15:07] Speaker C: I mean, these fines are astronomical. Pretty substantial. I mean, they're talking about statutory damages of $10,000 for every image or depiction.
Plus, from there goes up to, like 20 years in prison or fine, up to $25,000.
And the way that's written, it's not just buying or procuring. It actually says viewing.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: Viewing, which is wild. So they've got to be able to track that somehow.
[00:15:33] Speaker C: You got to be able to catch you viewing porn, which is like.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: The wife or the partner of whoever's viewing the porn. Do they turn them in?
They were viewing porn last night. I just like to make a report.
[00:15:50] Speaker C: It's just a very strange.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Here's the deal. I've got two things here, right? And I know we've talked about this before. One, let me just tell you a story, right?
[00:16:02] Speaker C: Is this a personal anecdote?
[00:16:03] Speaker B: No, it's not really a story. It's just kind of just facts, right? So if you have sex with somebody, consensual sex. Consensual sex with somebody and you pay them, it's illegal. Illegal. But that same consensual sex that you're having with them, you still pay them, but you film it and distribute it across the world.
[00:16:26] Speaker C: Pornography.
[00:16:27] Speaker B: Pornography, totally legal, protected under the first amendment. So one, there's that.
I don't even know what we're doing here.
Two, you mentioned it was mostly conservatives on this board, right?
[00:16:40] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: This is my problem with conservatives. This is my problem with any party affiliation whatsoever. I'm not a big fan of conservatives or Republicans. I'm not a big fan of liberals or Democrats.
[00:16:54] Speaker C: You know what, any political party that's organized.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't usually get too political, but you know, where I vote. I just want to know if something makes me more or less free and if the answer is more, guess what? I'm probably voting for it. So, I mean, I know that was a platform of good friend of mine.
[00:17:09] Speaker C: Once when they ran for office. Yeah, that would be me.
Yeah. Look, I think that very kind of scenario you laid out just goes to show how absurd it is that you can't make that up, that prostitution is illegal in this country or in the world in general. I mean, why would I go to jail for paying for something that I could get for free legally?
[00:17:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
[00:17:38] Speaker C: But under this bill, unless that butt Selfie is determined to be a serious artistic work of art, you go to jail for it.
[00:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah, these politicians and their wacky ideas.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: This is like a guy that's never received a good, sexy selfie before. No, look, you didn't hear this from me, but if there was ever a time to spam somebody's email box with just dick pick after Dick pick, this is the guy to do it, too.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: He should be getting them from men, women, everything. Like, he should just get it all.
Something's got to tickle his fancy, and then he'll be like, oh, I see the benefit here. He could also see the whatever. Just send him. Send. I'm not endorsing.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: Yeah, we're not telling you to. We're just saying it's an idea. If you were going to spam somebody's inbox, it's an idea porn, this would be the guys to do it, too.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to do it.
[00:18:34] Speaker C: I'm not going to do it. I don't recommend you do it. But if you were that kind of person that like to spam someone's inbox with porn. He's the guy.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: He's the guy.
All right, so that'll take us to in Brown's news.
[00:18:46] Speaker C: Thank God that's over.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: I don't know if you're going to put a sounder in there or not.
[00:18:52] Speaker C: But we really need to get our offseason, like, scheduling back so we have.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Our second burning river rundown, something.
[00:19:02] Speaker C: Yeah, the burning river rundown.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: Do you want me to just redo that and say, take us to the burning river rundown?
[00:19:08] Speaker C: No, we'll save for next week. I'm just going to keep all this in for now.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: All of this. Yeah. You guys get to see how we make up our show. It's just on the spot, on the fly.
[00:19:15] Speaker C: This is how the sausage is made.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, so the Browns have added a coach to their staff, and you're thinking it might be an offensive coordinator because that's what they're searching for. No.
[00:19:24] Speaker C: Well, it was an offensive coordinator.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Well, he was at Alabama. They're hiring Alabama OC Tommy Reese as their new tight ends coach. And you mentioned it before we got on air here. You said, wouldn't it make sense to hire the offensive coordinator first just in case he has his own guys? But they didn't.
[00:19:40] Speaker C: You would think that, right? So this move is interesting because of that, right? Like if I was coming into an organization as an offensive coordinator, it's kind of know your line of succession, right? Like you have your president, your vice president. President gets shot, vice president takes over. Offensive coordinator wouldn't have brought when Kevin Stefanski had Covid, like Alex Van Pelt and Mike prefer like took over and ran the show. So you're know, one bullet away from the top as often.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: That's why Van Pelt got fired is because he had more playoff wins than Kevin Stefanski.
[00:20:07] Speaker C: Yeah, him. And so, you know, it's one of those things where you would think if you're coming into an organization as the offensive coordinator, you probably have a couple of guys that would be on your payroll because they've been with you for a while. You'd know them, you respect their experience. You have seen them produce results in real time. So to bring in a guy as your new tight ends coach and just kind of fill a void before the offensive coordinator is in place feels weird.
Unless you're looking for another Alex Van Pelt. That's just a dummy to a puppet to Stefanski because he's like, I'm the offensive coordinator.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: To me, that's what it points to is just that regardless of who they bring. Stefanski is still the guy.
[00:20:51] Speaker C: The only thing I can kind of point to is maybe this Tommy Reese is like an up and coming star, and they just, we got to get him on the staff before anybody else did.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: And it's like a three year plan. They're like, he's going to be the offensive coordinator or whatever.
Yeah, I don't know, but it was kind of a strange move. The order that they did it in.
[00:21:09] Speaker C: Just goes to show, too, like, how far reaching the Nick Saban blow up in Alabama is because we've seen a lot of players transfer out of the portal.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: Ohio State got the topic in college football.
[00:21:22] Speaker C: So, yeah, it's like Saban retires and boom, it's college.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: We talked about this. We said it was going to be a mass exodus. Everybody's going to be gone, and that's what's happening. I mean, it's going to be a really hard baton to pick up for the next coach there. But anyways, the search continues for the running backs coach as well. But it seems like they've kind of settled on Deuce Staley as the front runner. I haven't even heard any other names for this yet.
[00:21:41] Speaker C: No.
[00:21:42] Speaker B: So I will say this. Deuce Daley, there is now competition for him as it was announced that he is interviewing elsewhere now for the running backs coach position and running game coordinator. Basically the same thing he's interviewing for with Cleveland.
[00:21:57] Speaker C: With the jets.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: With the jets. So you got to take your pick from potentially Nick Chubb. Maybe not. We'll talk more about that in a minute. Or hall.
[00:22:05] Speaker C: Well, even if you have Nick Chubb, it's how healthy is he going to be? Nick Chubb versus a young star in Brisbane?
[00:22:11] Speaker B: Right. A lot of questions here. Whereas up and coming star in New.
[00:22:15] Speaker C: York and New York is a New York. People like to go to New York for whatever reason. I hate New York, but people like to go there. And they have Aaron Rodgers coming back from injury this year.
[00:22:23] Speaker B: As much as I don't think that they're going know, everybody's know Aaron Rodgers come back, taking him to the promised land. I don't believe that. Even if Aaron Rogers 100% healthy and plays his ass off next year, I don't see them winning a Super Bowl. I would agree, but it's still an exciting time to be around the jets organization with him coming back. So there's a lot of buz. There's a lot of people talking about you.
[00:22:46] Speaker C: New York.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:47] Speaker C: I mean, if a guy like Duce Staley has aspirations to be a head coach. A place like New York has way more visibility than Cleveland.
[00:22:54] Speaker B: New York, New York. Sorry. As far as, as far as offensive coordinator goes, though, the Browns are deep into their search for the coordinator position, but they haven't hired anybody yet. Right now. They've interviewed several candidates. They've interviewed Ken Dorsey. He was most recently the OC for the Buffalo Bills. Obviously played quarterback, Browns.
He started two games, too, in the three seasons that he was here. Three games in the three seasons he was here.
He's on the jersey. People forget the long list of names on the jersey.
[00:23:29] Speaker C: He is on the jersey. Ken Dorsey was an incredible college quarterback. That was who we played in. The Buckeyes was not first national championship, but the first of this 2000 era. Played Ken Dorsey when he was at the U.
And I mean, he was a prolific passer there in Miami.
Guy has a great resume, was national champion in college, and had not a whole lot of success playing in the NFL, but has definitely caught on as a coach. So he kind of seemed like the sacrificial lamb there in Buffalo when things just weren't going well because they did fire him midway through the, oh, and.
[00:24:11] Speaker B: I think their turnaround this season had more to do with Josh Allen kind of sacking up and saying, oh, shit, my offensive coordinator got fired because I wasn't playing well. And he played phenomenal down the stretch.
[00:24:23] Speaker C: And the thing was, it was one of those kind of like controllable, like he wasn't taking care of the know. It was a controllable variable. So once he started protecting the ball.
[00:24:33] Speaker B: All of a sudden they win. Simple as that. Yeah, but they've also interviewed Jared Johnson, who is the current quarterbacks coach for the Texans. He started to get a little bit of buzz. I think we were the first ones to really reach out and interview him for a position like this, which seemed OD at the time because he hasn't really done a whole lot in the league, but he did have a huge season with CJ Stroud down there. So since then, it's come out that a couple more teams are interested in interviewing him. So CJ Stroud had a hell of.
[00:25:02] Speaker C: A year as a rookie.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: He's really good. But is that because CJ Stroud is just really like, was it Jared Johnson that made CJ Stroud, or did CJ Stroud make Jared Johnson look better?
[00:25:14] Speaker C: I think in all these scenarios, do we have a mutually beneficial relationship, mutually symbiotic relationship? Because I can tell you that a bad coach could certainly hinder a good player's experience. I mean, we've seen that here in Cleveland.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
And then other candidates mean those are the only two that I know for sure that they've actually interviewed.
[00:25:36] Speaker C: Andy Dickerson from the Seahawks is another one.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: They interview him.
[00:25:42] Speaker C: He's on the list to be interviewed.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So Andy Dickerson's coming up. He was the offensive line coach for the Seahawks. Another one that's kind of been, I heard, has been thrown around, but I don't know if they've confirmed anything yet. I don't think they have. Tim Kelly is out there.
Deshaun Watson's former offensive coordinator in Houston, most recently in Tennessee, is the offensive coordinator. But obviously Vrabel's gone, so he's kind of, quote unquote, a free agent right now and can go wherever he wants. With the head coach leaving in Tennessee.
[00:26:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I think this one makes sense because of why did the Browns make this move in the first place? Why blow up your offense after this season when you had really, your offense played pretty well down the stretch with Joe Flacco and your tight ends played really well? Amari Cooper looked like he was having a resurgent year, and it's because all indicators are the Browns kind of want to do what they did with the defense last year with the offense. They want to make this offense more Deshaun friendly. We know Deshaun doesn't like to be under center, doesn't like his back to the defense, doesn't like to run a lot of play action, and that's really Kevin Stevanski's whole offense.
Tim Kelly seems like kind of a slam dunk, at least for an interview, since he was working with Deshaun, when Deshaun had his best season and threw for 4800 yards and completed 70% of his passes in Houston in his last year.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll see what happens there. I hope they bring him in. I would like to see even more candidates than just these four that we've thrown out. Like, I think that's kind of light as far as, like, an offensive coordinator search. It's a pretty big position. Agree. But again, that may point to the fact that regardless of who we get, Kevin Stefanski is still running the mean. In all honesty, he does anyways. He's the head coach. But I'm just saying, does that point to more control on the offensive side of the ball?
[00:27:35] Speaker C: Well, you almost wonder, just like they did with Jim Schwartz, right? Like, there's a guy that has head coaching experience. There's a lot of head coaches available out there right now that maybe could use some positive momentum with a team that's looking to compete just from this year, but do they want another big personality in the building? It worked with shorts, so I don't know why Kevin could make that work on the offense, but we still don't know what the Browns plans are on offense. We don't know if Kevin is for sure giving up play calling duties or if this is supposed to, again, be kind of a puppet reign like Alex van Peltz was.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And further rumors swirling about the coaching staff right now. The rumors are that Bill Callahan will be leaving the Browns this offseason, and this came about because as of now, Brian Callahan, son of Bill I am Utrid, son of Utrid, has interviewed for four different head coaching jobs, and there's growing speculation that if he were to get one of those head coaching jobs, then Bill will leave to be on his son's staff.
This would be a massive blow for the, I mean, we've seen what's happened the last few years with injuries on the offensive line, and it seems like you just plug somebody in that nobody's ever heard of and they become a Pro Bowler and one of the top players at their position kind of overnight. Yeah.
[00:28:55] Speaker C: I mean, a, you have a lot of good personnel in your starting five, right? Like you have bona fide all pros and all Stars across that line. But we've been devastated by injuries the last couple of years. And, I mean, you'd guys like Jaron Christian playing left tackle this year, ended.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Up being better than your starter.
[00:29:16] Speaker C: And was he the best left tackle in the league? No, but the Browns offense didn't suffer because of it.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: And then go to the other side and you've got Dawan Jones taking over midseason as a rookie and he's just as good as our perennial Pro bowler. Right.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: We, we were sold on Dewan because he's an Ohio State guy and he's a monster, but the NFL wasn't.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: He was still viewed as kind of raw and like, he was a work.
[00:29:42] Speaker C: In mean, he was big and had all these kind of like, tangibles, but they weren't sure if he was going to pan out at the NFL level because of his size, necessarily. So.
Look, I just think he's been probably the most consistent coach that's been around this organization for the last couple of years.
His son, obviously, with Cincinnati, has put together a pretty good resume of offensive prowess and is a young, up and coming stud star coach. So there's also, some interesting family dynamic there. Like, if you go get a head coaching job, does your dad necessarily want to work for you or is he kind of like, do this on your, like, we're okay know, stay separate? I don't mean.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Right.
[00:30:27] Speaker C: It's everybody's personal feeling, probably, on that. Some guys might want to work for their son, like, hey, it's a family affair, but some might not. So I don't know where Bill stands on that, but it would be a huge blow to the Browns nonetheless, for sure.
[00:30:39] Speaker B: So with that, I mean, the guy that these linemen are blocking for, we kind of mentioned him a little bit ago, but Nick Chubb, we're going to kind of do. I call it a Nick Chubb update here, but it's not really an update. It has nothing to do with the injury. He's still on track the same pace that they thought he's probably going to miss the beginning of next season, but come back pretty early in the season, that first three or four games somewhere.
But it seems like the rest of the media has finally picked up on something that we've been talking about all season long and as early as last season. And that's the fact, or the possibility, I should say, that Nick Chubb may not be with the Cleveland Browns moving forward. We may have seen the last of Nick Chubb.
[00:31:20] Speaker C: So what you're saying is that if people listen to the burning river sportscast, they'll be way more informed than they.
[00:31:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. They'll get their news a year ahead.
[00:31:27] Speaker C: Of time, watching flagship programs at the four letter networks.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:32] Speaker C: So agreed.
[00:31:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:33] Speaker C: We've been talking about Nick Chubb for a while here and a possibility that he might not be back.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: I wish we had a historian, like, one step further of bone where they just went through our old clips and they're like, oh, you said this for the first time in June of 2023, right?
[00:31:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Look, I think it's one of those things it's hard for us to discuss, right? Because we all love Nick Chubb.
[00:31:57] Speaker B: It's kind of why we didn't do it at length. All season long, we kind of dabbled, but then we got away from it because we're like, we don't want to think about that right now.
[00:32:02] Speaker C: I mean, it's not popular to talk about. People don't want to hear about Nick get mad, not being a brown.
[00:32:06] Speaker B: They get mad. They tell us we're insane.
[00:32:07] Speaker C: But not anymore. The facts are that this is now the second time that Nick Chubb's knee is going to be surgically rebuilt, basically, from the bottom.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Thing. Here's the thing. So it got to the point with, like I said, the media finally caught on and they're like, wait, what's going to happen with Nick Chubb? He's coming off a serious injury. We don't really have a lot of cap space. What's going on here? So they finally asked Andrew Berry in the season ending press conference about Nick Chubb's future with the team, and he responded with the typical to, we want Nick Chubb back. We expect him to be here. But his quote was, nobody wants to see that carry in Pittsburgh be his last with the Cleveland Browns. We'll obviously work with Nick to do everything we can to have him on the team.
And to me, just that quote alone was not like a ringing endorsement. He didn't put any strong language in there to put fans at ease. Like, we are absolutely signing this guy. He's coming back. We're not going to let him go anywhere. I mean, he kind of put a veiled message in there of when he said, we'll do everything we can to have him on the team, that, hey, this guy's got to rework his contract if he wants to be here.
[00:33:16] Speaker C: And I think he doubled down on that with the other language he used in the press conferences generally, where he kind of said, we want to retain all our good players. Yeah.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: And he said, we want to, not we're going.
[00:33:27] Speaker C: Right, we want to.
And unfortunately, the chubb contract situation is really what puts this thing in a crosshairs, because he finally did get paid.
He got a deal and was one of the only running backs, really, to get a decent deal.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: And so his contract situation has related to the salary cap. We have the numbers here. Next year, it's going to be a $15.8 million cap hit. There's $4 million in dead cap, and there's $11.8 million in cap savings if you cut in before June 1.
[00:34:01] Speaker C: And remember, this is a team that's got 26 guys that are going to depart this organization if they do nothing. I mean, they're going to resign, some of them, obviously, but there's 26 individuals that they have to resign or backfill their positions.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: And then at this point, you get into the conversations again with Deshaun Watson. Like, is Jimmy Haslam going to step up and convert all that to a signing bonus again so that we have more money to play with and just pay for it out of his pocket? I mean, obviously he pays. It's everything out of his pocket. Yeah, but I'm just saying, in order to give the team more flexibility, is he going to give up more money right this second so that we have more room in the cap to work with or what's going to happen here.
[00:34:40] Speaker C: Now would be the time to do it before they make waves on a new stadium.
[00:34:44] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and to me, that's actually a really good point that I hadn't thought about, is it's the ultimate time to appease the fan base right now. And everybody in Cleveland loves Nick Chubb. So I'm not saying you got to pay. I understand where they're coming from, and we've talked about he's coming off a serious injury. Do I think that you as an organization want to give him $15.8 million next year? No, I don't.
[00:35:11] Speaker C: It's hard to believe that the Nick Chubb is going to come back and not be in Nick Chubb shape or form.
[00:35:15] Speaker B: I agree with you. He's Nick Chubb. He's Batman.
[00:35:19] Speaker C: But, yeah, the facts are that was a serious knee injury. I mean, obviously, we all watched it and happened in real time, and it was devastating.
But look, I mean, even somebody that's a big fan of Nick Chubb, like myself, I don't know what.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: He's my favorite.
[00:35:34] Speaker C: Cleveland Brown of all know. That's why it was so devastating when he got hurt the way he did, because you don't know how you come back from that. And in today's day and age, guys seem to come back from acls and be totally fine, but we're not that far removed from that being a career ending injury. And a lot of that depends on how your rehab goes and how you're able to build up strength around it. Now, there's extra scar tissue there in that knee again.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: Actually, I'm not sure if it was the same knee or not.
[00:36:01] Speaker C: It was the same knee.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: It's the same knee again.
[00:36:04] Speaker C: And this wasn't just an ACL. This was the whole knee ACL.
It was to the point where you had multiple surgeries because they had to go back. And they fixed the ACL last because they fixed the other stuff first.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah, they gave us the old runaround. They're like, it wasn't as bad as we thought. And then they had this first surgery, and they're like, just kidding. It was just as bad as we thought.
[00:36:25] Speaker C: Look, we'll keep watching this because obviously, as these dates kind of come up, they're going to have to take action if they're going to do something. The draft is going to be a big teller. Whether or not they bring in another young back in the draft.
Do they use a high pick, like a second round pick on a running.
[00:36:46] Speaker B: Give? Do they use that on a running back? Do they possibly use Nick Chubb as trade bait to say, look, we know he's coming off injury, but what can you get? There's got to be a team out there that's running back needy. That is like, yeah, we'll take Nick Chubb.
[00:36:59] Speaker C: You would think that, but look at the running backs that were free agents this year for a long time.
[00:37:03] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:37:03] Speaker C: Saquon was out there, cook, running, bouncing around running backs.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: The running back position is just a wacky thing right now.
[00:37:12] Speaker C: But then you look at Detroit this year, and they signed Jameer, his name, White, the running back, and he was a first round pick for them, the twelveth overall pick. And he was phenomenal when he got a chance to play, was huge in the divisional rounds.
So it's like the position still has value. Gibbs, Gibbs, Jamir Gibbs. That's wrong. The position still has value. But these NFL teams like to pretend it doesn't.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: They sell it hard, by the way, that they do business with the.
[00:37:43] Speaker C: It's like they're all in on it together.
[00:37:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's weird. They're allowed to collude, but anyways. But, yeah, we wanted to bring it up and talk about a little bit. It's something worth monitoring.
I just think it's pretty funny that we've been talking about this so long, as early as last season, because I think it goes deeper than whatever it was.
[00:38:04] Speaker C: This goes deeper than the injury.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: Right.
[00:38:05] Speaker C: The conversations we were having was, does Nick Chubb even fit in Kevin Stefanski's offense? Does Nick Chubb fit in an offense with Deshaun Watson? We talked the almost the worst thing that could possibly happen for the Browns this year is if they win games without Nick Chubb. And here they are making a playoff push without Nick Chubb, and it was led by a bunch of journeyman quarterbacks. And then Joe Flacco kind of saved the day at the end of the year, but they kind of proved that they could do running back by committee with a young guy and a veteran and get away with it to that point.
[00:38:36] Speaker B: Not necessarily the worst thing that could happen for the Browns, but the worst thing that could happen for Nick.
[00:38:39] Speaker C: For Nick Chubb on the Browns.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: Yes. For the Browns, it's like best case scenario, because as far as contracts go, I think they're genuine in the fact that they don't want to lose Nick Chubb, but now they hold all of the power when it comes to negotiations because they're like, well, I mean, we did it without you.
[00:38:57] Speaker C: Right. And the thing is you could draft another young back in the second or third round.
[00:39:01] Speaker B: They didn't just do it without him, they did it without him. And we got zero production out of our running backs. They averaged like 2.4 yards of carry the rest of the season.
[00:39:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think we hit. If we did hit 1000 yards, I'm trying to think of what Kareem finished.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: With for yards, but not 1000.
[00:39:16] Speaker C: Jerome only rushed for like 800 yards or so.
[00:39:18] Speaker B: Yeah, and he would have been the next highest rusher, so maybe they hit around 1000.
[00:39:22] Speaker C: I have to look at the team stats.
Yeah, I know Kareem had a bunch of touchdowns because he was on a lot of goal line situations and things.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: But Kareem had multiple games where he had like nine carries for 13 yards.
[00:39:32] Speaker C: Though, and two touchdowns.
[00:39:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:39:34] Speaker C: But the thing is, you could probably bring Kareem back on a deal for two and a half or 3 million for next year.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: And Kareem already came out and said.
[00:39:41] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd be probably like that. And you could draft another young guy and figure, know, can he compete or is he better than Jerome Ford willing.
[00:39:49] Speaker B: To bet he's better than Jerome if.
[00:39:50] Speaker C: They bring somebody in? Yeah, it's there. There has to be some backs up there. These backs just turn up out of nowhere.
I mean, all this to like, we don't want to see Nick Chubb go, but the circumstances around this almost make a Nick Chubb exit really easy for the Browns.
[00:40:09] Speaker B: And we just got to remind everybody that we started talking about this way before ESPN did. Well, yeah, I'm calling them out.
[00:40:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:40:19] Speaker B: Next up here, Joe Flacco. Will he return?
The Browns have stated in this same press conference that they would like to have him back on the team. And here's how I see this whole thing playing out again. I believe they're genuine in the fact that they want Joe Flacco as a backup. I think he proved this year that he's huge insurance policy if Deshaun Watson goes down.
But I think Flacco is going to test the market. I think he may have played himself into that one year bridge quarterback starting role. Somebody might give him a one year deal and he's their starter.
[00:40:52] Speaker C: He was kind of there, know, like with Denver and New York and couldn't get on the field. And when he did in Denver, he was a disaster. So I don't know what free agency is going to look like for him. I don't imagine it's going to be super hot.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: I don't think it's going to be super hot. I'm just saying I think there's a decent chance he played himself into a one year starting role. It might not even be a full year. Like if somebody drafts a real young rookie quarterback, know, we want to bring in a veteran to start the first few games.
[00:41:17] Speaker C: And true. Could be a scenario with like Bill Belichick in Atlanta.
[00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:21] Speaker C: Type deal.
[00:41:24] Speaker B: And so even with that, I think Flacco might come back to the Browns and say, hey, you guys want to keep me? Because he seems to really like the city. I think he was being honest when he said, I love the way I was embraced here. I like everything that happened.
But here's the deal.
Browns don't have the money or the desire to pay a backup quarterback any sort of premium, and you're going to.
[00:41:45] Speaker C: Have DTR back next year.
[00:41:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:47] Speaker C: So the question is, made great strides.
[00:41:51] Speaker B: As the season went on before he got injured.
[00:41:53] Speaker C: Sure. It was to the point where people were like, play DTR, play DTR.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I will say this.
We talked about this on the episode after Joe Flacco had the first loss. We said, if he has another loss, like at that point you probably just go with DTR for the rest of the season. Right?
[00:42:08] Speaker C: Yeah, that was before he got hurt.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: But then he got hurt. Yeah. Hip IR just along with the rest of.
[00:42:17] Speaker C: Look, the Flacco was unbelievable. This year was a tremendous part of the story of this season, whether we deem that a success or not. The Browns made the playoffs for the third time since 1999. It's a huge deal, and he was in the right place at the right time for us. Forever grateful for the games that he played for us and won.
I would love to see him come back as a backup.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: Unfortunately, he will never get a statue, though, because he didn't win us a Super bowl.
[00:42:48] Speaker C: He didn't win us the Super Bowl. I could see things getting really interesting, though, if he wanted to come back because, God, if you're going to watch these guys in practice and if Joe Placo's arm continues to stay strong, he said he wants to play for another two years.
I don't know how you just give that role to Deshaun just because of the money.
[00:43:09] Speaker B: I don't think there's any chance that Joe Flacco is a starter next year over Deshaun Watson? I think there's zero chance. I think that's part of the reason van Pelt went is because his offense was better for Flacco than it was for Deshaun Watson.
[00:43:20] Speaker C: Right. But it's also Stefanski's offense. You can always come back to that.
And here's what I think is not necessarily this could be a camp battle. Here's what I think happens. Deshaun, through one reason or another, by week two or three rolls an ankle gets hurt, misses a couple of games, Joe Flacco comes in and wins three in a row, rips off three in a row. Do you go back to Deshaun just because you're paying him $230,000,000 or do you go, this is the Joe Flaggle we saw last year that led this team to the playoffs. I mean, as long as your flag goes, hand is out. Why would you not keep playing?
[00:43:48] Speaker B: I mean, what do I think personally, or what do I think as the franchise, like, what I think personally is. Yeah, you read the hot hand.
[00:43:54] Speaker C: I think that puts the franchise in a tough spot. Yeah, the fan base.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: This is a big what if, though, is what saying, like, it's coming out of camp next year, Deshaun Watson's the starter.
[00:44:06] Speaker C: Okay, but is it a huge what if to say, is Deshaun going to stay healthy all year?
[00:44:11] Speaker B: No, but I'm just saying it's a exercise in futility because nobody knows what's going to happen after that. I just know that coming out of camp, Deshaun Watson is going to be the starter.
[00:44:23] Speaker C: Yeah. And by week two, Joe Flagger could be the starter when Deshaun rolls his ankle.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: I guess so. But either way, this is all to say, I think the Browns do want him back. I just don't think they're going to really pay anything for him because they don't have the money to do it. And we have DTR coming back who is more of the same style as Deshaun Watson anyways. True.
[00:44:45] Speaker C: I think he just goes like, how far do they change this offense? Are they revamping this offense in total, or is this just going to be a new rub on Kevin Stefanski's offense, but with different.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: I think. I think one of the only ways that they changed the offense in total to really make it Deshaun friendly is if they bring in Tim Kelly.
[00:45:04] Speaker C: Well, yeah, or somebody totally unexpected that runs like a college offense, shotgun offense, something that's a spread offense.
[00:45:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:13] Speaker C: I don't know. It just kind of goes back to the beginning of this whole thing, though, when they sean Deshaun in the first place, like how little due diligence was done, how not thoughtful they were about does Deshaun even fit in this offense? I mean, we hear all these stories about Kevin went down to Houston and.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: The devil went down to Georgia.
[00:45:33] Speaker C: He was the one that convinced Deshaun, like, hey, this can work. And they went through film and they went through all the Deshaun's throws, and Kevin said, you could do that part. What part of our offense looks like Houston's offense did when Deshaun starter there?
[00:45:47] Speaker B: None.
[00:45:48] Speaker C: None of it. So it's just all a bunch of bullshit. At the end of the day.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: We've talked about before, as much as I grew this season to respect Kevin Stefanski a lot more, and I'm fine with him getting an extension and all, know, I I'm not going to bash the guy. I've made a couple jokes here, but I'm not going to totally bash the guy. I think he's done phenomenal things, especially this year with all the adversity and injuries and everything else, but at the same time, do I buy that? Deshaun was like, yeah, I'm coming to Cleveland because Kevin Stefanski came down and talked to me and he made me feel like, this is going to be it.
[00:46:24] Speaker C: No.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: Deshaun Watson came to Cleveland because Jimmy Haslam called him and said, we're going to give you $230,000,000 guaranteed. And he said, sold.
[00:46:33] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: We were out. Does anybody not remember the process? We were out. It was down to Atlanta and somebody else. And then we came back and said, what if we guarantee the entire contract? And he said, done, you son of a bitch. I'm in.
And then Deshaun Watson was a Cleveland Brown, just like so.
Oh, and by the way, we're going to make your salary for the first year is only going to be a million dollars.
[00:46:57] Speaker C: I just think Deshaun is the biggest wild card heading into this next. Just, is he going to play well? Is he not going to play well? Is he going to stay healthy? Is he not going to stay healthy? Is the offense going to fit him? Is it not going to fit him? There's so many questions around Deshaun Watson. The only answer we have is $230,000,000.
[00:47:15] Speaker B: It is kind of a weird dichotomy, right? Like, we used to have questions about quarterback, but it was because who's going to be the quarterback? And now the question is, we know who our quarterback is going to be. But which version of our quarterback are we going to get?
[00:47:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, is Deshaun Russell Wilson now?
[00:47:30] Speaker B: Oh, no. I hate Russell Wilson. He's so washed.
[00:47:34] Speaker C: Yeah. And it's like you look across the table, the guy gave up that. Finished 9th in yards and 7th in touchdowns. Here we go. You go. Well, we thought, we thought we're going to get a top five quarterback. Well, Baker just thought they're being a top ten quarterback, so we can never escape it.
[00:47:49] Speaker B: But it's like we said, you can't escape that. And as much as everybody, and I see it, everybody talks about it, they want Baker to go away. They want the baker talk to go away. It's never going to go away until Deshaun becomes the quarterback that you.
[00:48:00] Speaker C: Deshaun has to be top five quarterback.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: The minute Deshaun's a top five quarterback, that's when that talk goes away.
[00:48:05] Speaker C: Yeah. So we haven't seen it yet, but.
[00:48:08] Speaker B: With that, let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right. So obviously the playoffs are happening. The Browns are not a part of them anymore.
So let's recap the divisional rounds in the AFC. We had Kansas City versus Buffalo in Buffalo.
[00:48:34] Speaker C: This was a football game.
[00:48:36] Speaker B: This was a good game.
And the Chiefs came out on top in this 127 to 24. Patrick Mahomes is now three and O against Josh Allen in the playoffs.
Buffalo can't seem to get over that hump.
Where do you think they go from here? Do you think they just kind of keep running it back and they're like.
[00:48:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, watching this game early on, Josh Allen, watching him run the ball, I was thinking like, that's the difference because he's so big and hard to tackle.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah, he is.
[00:49:07] Speaker C: And I thought, there's no way he's going to let them lose this game.
But the Chiefs are just really good. I mean, they even had a down season.
[00:49:18] Speaker B: They had the most drops in the NFL since the Cleveland Browns. Let's just let that sink in. And somehow they're in the AFC championship game right now.
[00:49:30] Speaker C: But look, I think the problem is it's almost like a Manning and Brady. If Peyton Manning didn't exist and the same time Tom Brady did, or vice versa, like, would Tom Brady have 14 Super Bowls or Peyton Manning have ten?
The fact is Buffalo's got a good team. They've retooled a lot of things. They had a better running game. It felt like this year, and it just felt like this was kind of Josh Allen's year. Like he was on the COVID of Madden. Like, everybody was high on Buffalo, but.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: This chief, terrible, terrible Photoshop on the.
[00:50:03] Speaker C: COVID of Madden, this Chiefs team is just a juggernaut.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: And even when you think they're done, when you think they're, ah, this ain't their year. They didn't look too good this year. Well, here they are.
[00:50:14] Speaker C: We're to the point now, where are Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Like are. They are officially a dynasty.
[00:50:21] Speaker B: They're the new Patriots.
[00:50:23] Speaker C: They're the new Patriots. Like, as long as Andy Reid keeps coaching there, are they going to keep being in the AFC championship game?
[00:50:28] Speaker B: I think they are. Well, as long as Patrick Mahomes is there. I mean, as far as history goes, since he's been the starting quarterback, he's played six seasons and they've been to six AFC championship games. Sure. Like, he literally doesn't not go to the AFC championship game.
[00:50:40] Speaker C: Well, right. But it's undeniable now is a thing, right? Yeah, he's had a really good run now. It's like if they cap us off with another Super bowl, it's like, okay.
[00:50:53] Speaker B: They legitimately become the Patriots because the Patriots, they did the same thing. They would have a couple of years here and there where they were like, they just squeaked into the playoffs. But then all of a sudden they make it either to the conference championship game or the Super bowl and you're like, these guys just won't go away.
[00:51:07] Speaker C: Well, you forget the Patriots went ten years without a Super bowl before they won. Like, I don't know what their fourth one.
But it's like, man, as long as Patrick Mahomes stays healthy and Andy Reid's coaching this football team, they are just a tough out. The good thing that they had we've going for us is like, Travis Kelsey's getting older. He was phenomenal in this game, by the way. I mean, both touchdown passes, catches gave.
[00:51:30] Speaker B: Taylor Swift the heart was just ridiculous.
[00:51:33] Speaker C: That sweet up there had.
[00:51:36] Speaker B: Jason Kelsey is one of the most entertaining people of all time.
[00:51:39] Speaker C: How about athletic? This guy just played an entire NFL season.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: He's just hopping around outside the boxes.
[00:51:45] Speaker C: Outside and how plyometric jump, like onto the top of the box into the.
[00:51:51] Speaker B: By the way, he weighs like 270 pounds.
[00:51:54] Speaker C: Like that guy in Timberlands and in sweatpants, like drunk, no shirt drunk af.
[00:52:01] Speaker B: Did you see the memes of his wife in the background just like oogling him?
[00:52:05] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:52:06] Speaker B: Just like, that's my husband.
[00:52:08] Speaker C: F suite was bumping, so I'm sure they had a good time.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:52:12] Speaker C: Look, I just think it's tough if you're buffalo right now, right? It's tough if you're anybody else in the AFC and you start to look at this Chiefs team and you go.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: It'S almost that deflating feeling, like when of New England back today, you're like, what do we have to do to beat them?
[00:52:24] Speaker C: Can they be beat? And I guess we'll see this weekend whether or not the Ravens can beat them, but maybe they'll have a formula.
[00:52:31] Speaker B: Good segue. Good segue. So the next game in the AFC this week was the Texans versus the Ravens. And I wouldn't even call this a game. This was just kind of the Ravens.
[00:52:40] Speaker C: Had their way, just like the Browns would the week before. Like, the Browns just were out of the.
[00:52:47] Speaker B: It was a magical run, but eventually it all catches up and you realize, like, it's not our time.
[00:52:52] Speaker C: And what was disappointing was watching this game. This felt like the game the Browns should have played against the Texans. Like, stifling defense from the rip. I mean, CJ put that first out up on third down, and I forget who the back was, but just absolutely just annihilated it. Just ball down, you're not even a chance to catch it. That's what we were expecting.
[00:53:11] Speaker B: That was my whole thing with this game, is exactly what you just said.
You're just pissed, all right? You're just watching it and you're like, this is what our defense was supposed to do. And instead every single person on our defense, not just like one guy or two guys or three guys or four guys or five guys or six guys or seven guys or eight guys or nine guys or ten guys. No, all eleven came out and laid an egg. Ten guys did.
[00:53:31] Speaker C: J-O-K showed up.
[00:53:34] Speaker B: So ten guys laid an egg and we got our asses whooped.
But this is what our defense was supposed to be.
[00:53:41] Speaker C: Yeah. What's really unfortunate, too, is just the fact that the Browns were a much better matchup with the Ravens.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I think this would have been really good game.
[00:53:50] Speaker C: We just played Houston at the wrong time. It was just, they were, and we were, we were.
[00:53:57] Speaker B: We were coming off of some rest that we needed but probably shouldn't have taken.
I will never go back and say we shouldn't have taken. We shouldn't arrest our start. They absolutely needed it.
[00:54:06] Speaker C: In general, I'm a guy that says play your guys to the end.
[00:54:09] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:54:10] Speaker C: Just because you got to keep.
[00:54:11] Speaker B: But in this situation, with all the injuries, you have to rest your starters. It doesn't make sense. Not, I mean, did it bite us in the ass? Who knows what the reason for coming out flat was. But that's what happened.
[00:54:24] Speaker C: At least a part of the variable in the whole equation. Right. But yeah, I mean, look, this game was close. I think in the beginning it was reported Lamar kind of said he had his way with the locker room at halftime, was kind of like, guys, what are we doing here? Like these guys are.
[00:54:41] Speaker B: Yeah. They asked who talked at halftime and he immediately was like, I did. Yeah. And they said, can you give us any. No, I can't say anything that I said in the locker room right here.
[00:54:52] Speaker C: So it sounds like he lit the locker room up at halftime. And from there it was just, um. Look, this ravens team is good. They played the best football, I think, for consistently all year long and Harbaugh is a great coach. So if there's somebody that I hate all of them, if there's somebody that can scheme against Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed, maybe this guy's got a plan. They have the defense to do it. You got guys like Patrick Queen out there mean they have the personnel to really disrupt a lot of the things that Kinsley does with the intermediate passing game. So it's just a matter of like, can you slow them down enough? And does Lamar have enough in the tank to put up probably 30 points again this week?
[00:55:40] Speaker B: And I hate to say this because I'm not a fan of Lamar Jackson at all.
I think I just got to kind of accept that he's a good quarterback now.
[00:55:49] Speaker C: He's a good player. That's the thing.
[00:55:52] Speaker B: It's just so weird because you watch this game, right? He threw for like 140 yards, but then he rushed for 100 yards and two touchdowns. If you stop one thing, he's going to light you up in the other place. And he's proven, I think, consistently enough because I've always said, well, if you take away the run, he's going to have a hard time passing the ball. And there have been a few cases that that's actually happened, but for the most part, he doesn't really struggle. He's like, that's fine. I'll just pass the ball all day and throw over 300 yards and four touchdowns.
I don't want to admit it because I've never been on the Lamar Jackson bandwagon. I've thought that he was one big hit away from being done for his entire career and that still may be the case, but I think at this point he's done it long enough and consistently enough that I'm just like, he's a really good player. There's no way around that.
[00:56:46] Speaker C: Well, and that was always my knock on him, too, was his ability to stay healthy. But if you look at the time that he's missed versus Joe Burrows missed with injury, Joe Burrows missed Watson. Joe Burrows missed more games than Lamar Jackson has already. And everybody's like Joe Burrow.
He's the next big thing. Look, he's a tremendous athlete. He can beat you in a ton of different ways. I think the thing is what we've seen with Lamar over the course of the years that he's been in the NFLs, he's just like any other quarterback on days that you can get to him, make him uncomfortable, knock him down, and your secondary plays well on the back end. Those are the days you win, the days that one of those things is off and he's either got lanes to run in or lanes to pass in. Like, you're screwed.
[00:57:28] Speaker B: It's over for you. He's a former MVP, possibly MVP again.
[00:57:33] Speaker C: He's probably going to win it this year.
[00:57:34] Speaker B: Now. He's probably going to be two time mvp. And, I mean, the way this is looking, he might be a Super Bowl MVP this year. Plus, it's scripted. It's going to be the Ravens versus the San Francisco 49 ers anyways. We'll get to that, though.
Yeah. I don't know what else to say about Lamar Jackson, though, and that'll take us to the NFC side of things. So first game, Green Bay versus San Francisco. This one was actually a lot closer than I thought it would be. And the 49 ers did end up pulling out the victory, which was expected, but it was 24 21 and Green Bay had a shot there.
[00:58:06] Speaker C: It still feels like Green Bay won this game. Like, Green Bay had all the momentum was the hot team coming in, and they played like it up until basically.
[00:58:13] Speaker B: Have you seen all the reels and TikToks talking about the script?
[00:58:16] Speaker C: Interception from this?
[00:58:17] Speaker B: Yeah, because they're like, oh, it's weird. They scored as basically as time expired. I mean, how many seconds were left on the clock? I forget what it was, but they scored there at the end, the 49 ers did. And if you look at the missed tackle by the safety from Green Bay, it was pretty pathetic. Like, he just kind of threw his arm at him and was hoping for the best.
[00:58:36] Speaker C: And even with that, I think Green Bay got the ball back with a minute 21, maybe left well, and that.
[00:58:41] Speaker B: Was the other part of it. Yeah, you're right. They did get it with a minute 21. Because Jordan love, on first and ten with two timeouts left in full, Bret Farv. Yeah, he was like, I'm going to throw it into three guys, triple coverage. Hopefully nobody picks this off. And then they did.
[00:58:56] Speaker C: We say that in jest. He had a phenomenal playoffs.
[00:59:00] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Jordan. I think Jordan Love proved a lot of the doubters wrong. I was down the stretch. I mentioned it before the playoffs started. He was the best quarterback in the league the second a half of the year, and then he played very well throughout the playoffs. He did throw a couple. I think he had two interceptions.
[00:59:15] Speaker C: He just had that one bad one.
[00:59:17] Speaker B: Or was it one interception?
[00:59:18] Speaker C: I don't know if he threw how many he threw overall, but I mean, that was the one that hurt him. Right.
Because even with all that, they still had a chance to come back and win.
Look, San Francisco is just a good. San Francisco is just, to me, they are just consistent. They can consistently run the ball. Their defense is good. They have good defensive ends that can get it to the quarterback and create pressure.
And Brock Purdy does just enough with the talent around him. You got kittle, Ayuk, some guy named Conley I'd never seen, kid with a huge catch in this game. And McCaffrey, he's got tons of talent around him.
[00:59:51] Speaker B: It is funny. As high powered as their offense is, they don't lean on it at all. They're like, you guys just be okay?
[00:59:57] Speaker C: Yeah, they're just good enough to win.
[00:59:58] Speaker B: The game and nobody gets like, big egos or gets mad about, I didn't get the ball enough, whatever.
They're like, yeah, we'll do our jobs. And they all do their jobs. And then the defense holds teams under 21 points every week, and then they're like, okay, we score 24, we win.
[01:00:13] Speaker C: It's pretty much what happened in this one. Yeah, I mean, Green Bay was the hot team, came in dealing and it felt like they had all the momentum. They had that long touchdown run there, I think in the second half was Aaron Jones, and it just played out just like a lot of San Francisco's games did this year, where they just outlasted their opponents and waited for them to make a mistake. And they did.
[01:00:37] Speaker B: Yep. Then the other game in the NFC, Tampa Bay versus Detroit and the Lions took care of business in this one and are heading to only their second, I believe, conference championship game all time.
So 31 23 was the final score in that Baker did have a chance at the end.
[01:00:56] Speaker C: The way this game played out at the end was very bizarre because Tampa Bay comes back and gets the touchdown and immediately goes for two.
[01:01:05] Speaker B: I'm thinking that's the new thing in the NFL, the analytics that tells everybody to do that because they say then you have two chances to go for two.
They say, say if you go for two and get it on the first one, then you just got to kick the extra point.
[01:01:19] Speaker C: You win, and I guess the extra point is not, but you're going to.
[01:01:22] Speaker B: Have to go for two at some point regardless. So the analytics tell you if you go for it twice, you're more likely to get one of them if you're playing to win.
[01:01:29] Speaker C: Yeah, which they were, but it's the playoffs. Last game.
[01:01:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but that's traditional knowledge.
When you're on the road, you go.
[01:01:40] Speaker C: For the win in the division, around the playoffs, I'll play it to the last second because I go for the win.
[01:01:46] Speaker B: You're more likely to win in regulation than you are in overtime.
[01:01:51] Speaker C: I think so much of that is game dependent and momentum dependent, and it was strange. So anyway, they go for the two point conversion and they miss.
And then Baker gets the ball back with about two minutes and a timeout.
And there's the pick. Bad pick.
What was really bizarre after that was the fact that Tampa Bay still had a timeout.
[01:02:16] Speaker B: They didn't call their time out, and they could have got the ball back with like a second left.
[01:02:19] Speaker C: They could have got the ball back with more than a second left.
[01:02:24] Speaker B: It would have been like 30 seconds left.
[01:02:25] Speaker C: Yeah.
And I'm thinking, like, when there was 38 seconds left and it took their final kneel down, I'm like, I get the classy aspect of like, okay, you guys beat us and we lost, but there's 38 seconds left.
[01:02:38] Speaker B: That's where it comes into play. What you just said, this is the divisional round of the playoffs. All that stuff goes out the door. You play to the last second.
[01:02:45] Speaker C: Why would I not take a punt return and a fair catch and try to lateral my way to ship?
[01:02:53] Speaker B: Baker's got an arm. Just let him throw it all the way as far as he can. What's the thing?
[01:02:56] Speaker C: I mean, with 38 seconds, you could throw two completions to midfield pretty easily.
[01:03:01] Speaker B: On the sidelines, get them out of.
[01:03:02] Speaker C: Bounds, get them out of bounds and then do the big. Plenty of arm to get it to the end. That was just like a big fail by Tampa Bay. I can't believe was. It was almost like Detroit Lions of.
[01:03:16] Speaker B: The past to me. I think it kind of happened too.
[01:03:21] Speaker C: Fast for anybody to notice.
[01:03:24] Speaker B: Yeah, because you don't expect the Lions to snap it early like they did.
[01:03:28] Speaker C: Right. And Detroit was just lit. I mean, the whole stadium was lit.
[01:03:31] Speaker B: Yeah. So it was one of those things because by the time you realize, oh, shit, they snapped it early, it was only 3 seconds that you had to be able to call the thing because after that, then you're losing valuable time. And then it gets down to like, I don't mean, I guess technically you could have called it at any point, but they had also, I don't know if you noticed they turned off like the play clocks and all that.
[01:03:50] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
Tom Bowles had taken off his earphones, his headphones and stuff.
[01:03:55] Speaker B: Right. At that point you're like, I can't really call time.
[01:03:58] Speaker C: But I'm like, that's not good. If that was my head coach, I'd be like, we had a chance that we could have done something with 38 seconds. What are we doing here?
[01:04:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I thought it was bizarre, but with Tampa Bay's season coming to. So first of all, I'm excited about Detroit because that's my dad's favorite team and I don't root for any other teams in general, but just as far as who's left in the playoffs, I hope they win because it's my dad's favorite team. I only have one word and they're similar fan bases. All that stuff that we talked about.
[01:04:30] Speaker C: I only have one word of caution about this Detroit thing.
[01:04:33] Speaker B: What is it?
[01:04:35] Speaker C: This Detroit team is going to be good for a couple of years and these Detroit fans are going to get really annoying.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: Oh, that's probably fair. Yeah, absolutely. Think about how annoying Browns fans would be to everybody else if we won once, right?
[01:04:48] Speaker C: I mean, these Detroit fans are going.
[01:04:50] Speaker B: To, and we're Browns fans.
[01:04:51] Speaker C: We're proud.
[01:04:51] Speaker B: We're proud. Everybody else would be so pissed that we won a super. They would be so happy for us for about 6 seconds.
[01:04:57] Speaker C: I mean, fortunately they're in the NFC, so we don't got to play them very often. But, God, they're so close in proximity. There's a lot of people here that be, that is going to be one obnoxious bunch of people if they win the Super bowl. So I would just caution everybody. That's like, because I think they're the field story of the playoffs.
[01:05:14] Speaker B: What do I say all the time? What did we talk about last week? They're just like our fan base. And so what would we do if we won a Super bowl?
[01:05:20] Speaker C: We would tell everybody.
[01:05:22] Speaker B: I'd be so lit.
Like, everybody would know that the Browns won the Super bowl. Good morning. Oh, by the way, the Browns won the Super bowl. Yeah. So you root for the Steelers, your team sucks.
[01:05:33] Speaker C: We would get that tattooed on our forehead. Good morning. The Browns won the Super bowl.
That's what's coming. So I know that Detroit is a feel good story right now, the NFL, and that's fine, but I just caution everybody that's just outright rooting for Detroit at this point. This is going to get sour quick.
[01:05:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Here's one thing about Detroit, though. How about Dan Campbell? I mean, he came in and he's been saying the same thing since he started there, and early on, everybody thought he was insane.
[01:06:00] Speaker C: They're like biting kneecaps.
[01:06:02] Speaker B: Listen to this guy. Like, what the hell's wrong with him? And now all of a sudden it all makes sense. And I think this kind of speaks to the power of letting your coach actually have a couple of seasons to develop, build a culture and build a culture because they are 100% behind Dan Campbell.
If you watch his speeches after the game, they're on the edge of their seats. They're up there, they're listening to, hanging on every single word he says. And you could tell just looking at their eyes and everything that they truly believe in their head coach.
[01:06:33] Speaker C: The most impressive thing to me, I think, is the job that that guy has done with Jared Goff.
[01:06:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[01:06:38] Speaker C: Because Jared Goff got there in a trade for Stafford and was kind of okay. Like, he's going to be here this year, maybe be the bridge quarterback to something kibble.
This guy's good enough.
[01:06:54] Speaker B: He said it after the game against the Rams last week. He said, you're good enough for Detroit.
[01:06:58] Speaker C: He's like, you're absolutely good enough to be a starter in this league and didn't give up on the kid and look where it's brought them. I mean, he's played really well. He's flourished under that.
And the crazy thing is you look.
[01:07:11] Speaker B: Back and I know Jared Goff has never been like this big name quarterback, but he put up numbers with the Rams. Yeah. I mean, everybody talks about how good, pretty good.
[01:07:18] Speaker C: Pretty big name quarterback. I mean, he went head to head with Patrick Mahomes in that Monday night game.
[01:07:22] Speaker B: That was like, no, but I'm saying he was never considered in that upper echelon with the Patrick Mahomes or like.
[01:07:28] Speaker C: He made it to the Super bowl in like his second or third year.
[01:07:30] Speaker B: I know, but everybody said it was because of Todd Gurley. It wasn't because of him.
[01:07:35] Speaker C: He was in ballers.
[01:07:38] Speaker B: Okay. I'm just saying, except for, apparently you, there was nobody that said it was because of Jericho.
[01:07:46] Speaker C: He was a first round draft pick and highly touted college prospect coming in. I don't know that no one.
He was supposed to be.
[01:07:56] Speaker B: He was supposed to be, but from the day he got into the league and didn't put the numbers up that.
[01:08:01] Speaker C: Everybody else did, he didn't pan out.
[01:08:02] Speaker B: He was never viewed as an elite quarterback. And not that I'm saying that he's super elite now. I'm just saying, like, I think good enough for Detroit. Yeah.
He's opened a lot of people's eyes. Know I'm not as trash as you guys wrote me off to be after I didn't have the start you wanted me to.
[01:08:18] Speaker C: Well, I think it just goes to show, too, like, again, right quarterback in the right situation, we write off so many of these guys early on in their careers because they weren't what we anticipated them to be. When you get a second shot at it with the right quarterback and the right coach and the right system and the right culture, and then you start to build around him with guys like Amon, Ross, St. Brown. Some of the backs that they've brought mean Montgomery has been. Not that he was a prolific back, but he was kind of like their Kareem hunt this year. He's a little more productive, but they've made good personnel moves to build the team around him.
[01:08:53] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:08:55] Speaker C: And it's paid off for so kind.
[01:08:59] Speaker B: Of along those same lines. We talked about Baker, and it was reported basically immediately after the game that Baker and Tampa are trying to work something out for him to come back. Obviously, he's going to test free agent, and he is finally going to command that big paycheck that he was hoping for before he bounced around a little bit. They're saying he's projected to be somewhere between 30 and 45 million a year. The number of years is different depending on which outlet you're looking at, but probably in the range of two to three.
[01:09:30] Speaker C: Mean, I have to imagine Tampa Bay is the front runner because of the season that he had there.
I think there's two really interesting teams that come into play.
[01:09:41] Speaker B: Who are they?
[01:09:44] Speaker C: Wherever Bill Belichick lands, especially if it's, um. Cause I could see them going like, these quarterbacks are absolutely trash. We need somebody that's better than what we have.
And Pittsburgh, that would be the ultimate villain move for Baker Mayfield.
[01:10:01] Speaker B: I think Baker Mayfield, he's instantly the.
[01:10:04] Speaker C: Best quarterback on that roster.
[01:10:06] Speaker B: Listen, Baker was here long enough for me to know that Baker's petty, oh.
[01:10:12] Speaker C: Yeah, ultimate villain move.
[01:10:14] Speaker B: And Baker would definitely go to Pittsburgh just so he would have the chance, even if it doesn't work out the way he wants it to.
[01:10:20] Speaker C: Just the chance to knock, the chance.
[01:10:21] Speaker B: To shit on the Browns every year, twice a like he would absolutely love. I think. I think, in my opinion, I'm not even worried about wherever Bill Belichick goes, necessarily. I'm thinking the two are Tampa Bay, back to Tampa Bay or going to.
[01:10:38] Speaker C: Pittsburgh, because Pittsburgh has to address the quarterback in the next year, and they.
[01:10:42] Speaker B: Keep freaking winning with Mike Tomlin, so they don't have a high draft pick to get a quarterback with.
[01:10:47] Speaker C: But if you can pay Baker and you can overpay Tampa Bay or whoever, and, look, I know it's being reported as 30 to 40 million, but it's going to be on the lower end of that because of where he's come from. So there could be a bidding war that ends up being the difference between 33,000,030, 6 million a year. And if Pittsburgh wants to bite the bullet on that, he would instantly be the best quarterback on their roster.
[01:11:10] Speaker B: Man, talk about there's still a lot of hanger ons as far as Baker fans here in Cleveland.
[01:11:16] Speaker C: That would be the end of it.
[01:11:18] Speaker B: Well, that would be the end of it, but it might not be. So can you think of that, like, true, just the infighting that Pittsburgh would create if they signed Baker Mayfield now.
[01:11:27] Speaker C: I kind of almost wanted to happen.
[01:11:29] Speaker B: Just to see what the fuck goes on. It could be the ultimate dick move by the Steelers. Like, okay, we had a down year, and you guys got to make fun of us because you finished ahead of us. Well, guess what? We're going to sign Baker may Field. We're going to destroy your fan base. Absolutely destroy it.
[01:11:46] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. That would be the most brownsiest thing that could happen. Baker Mayfield was beat us twice a year, every year for the next ten years.
[01:11:53] Speaker B: Oh, my God. So, yeah, I like those two teams as front runners to get Baker. But anyways, another thing as far as the two teams that we just talked about. Tampa Bay, Detroit. The Lions have signed tight end Zach Ertz for the rest of the playoff run. This comes after Brock Wright was injured in this weekend's game, and it leaves the Lions with only one healthy tight end on their roster in Sam Laporta. And he's actually injured as well.
[01:12:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I was going to say healthy is a stretch for him. He's been playing with that deal with a brace.
He said that's the biggest brace he's ever played with and he wasn't sure how he's going to be able to move and it seemed like he was okay this weekend, but it also seemed like he's waiting for his leg to just snap at any time.
[01:12:30] Speaker B: It's like something bad might happen. I don't know. We'll see. But we're going for a Super bowl, so I got to play next up here. It was reported this week that McCarthy is not expected to receive an extension in Dallas. So there may be another coaching vacancy soon and he'll be kind fired. Fired, but not really. He'll just not be retained. But on the flip side of that, Nick Sirianni is officially staying in Philly. They made the announcement he will meet with media later this week to discuss that.
So good job, Nick. Series.
[01:13:04] Speaker C: What a fall from. I mean, you were in the Super Bowl a year ago.
[01:13:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:13:07] Speaker C: I mean, can you imagine if Stefanski was in the Super bowl last year and then this year immediately after the season? We were like, fire Stefancy. Can we go back twelve months and just think about where this team was?
You can't fire the guy, right?
[01:13:19] Speaker B: The freaking Eagles were one of the best teams all year long. Like, as much as they had problems and things kind of came off the rails towards the end there, they still had a good season.
Would they finish eleven and six or whatever they were?
[01:13:35] Speaker C: Yeah, they were. Because they won ten games and they went on a stretch where they went one and six or whatever to finish the season.
[01:13:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know, but yeah. Nick Siriani will be back. And speaking of head coaching jobs at Atlanta, has now interviewed Bill Belichick twice and Jim Harbaugh twice.
Who do you like between those two guys for Atlanta?
[01:13:52] Speaker C: Look, I didn't think Atlanta was going to be the fit for Belichick, but it sounds more and more like that is ramping up that he's going to be the pick there in Atlanta. I do think that Harbaugh is a better fit in LA. So if nothing else, I think maybe Harbaugh takes the Chargers job before they even have a chance to offer on the.
[01:14:19] Speaker B: I mean, I would agree with you. I think that as weird as it would have sounded if you told me this, like right when coaching searches and everything else started, that Bill Belichick would be in Atlanta. I mean, it's kind of starting to really look that way, if you ask me. I know they've actually scheduled a few other people, I think, to do a second interview, but it seems like those two guys are the front runners.
[01:14:39] Speaker C: I think the fact that there's enough young talent there and the fact that they're in a weak division puts that atop a list for him because there's a lot of divisions in football. Like if he were to go to trying to think of just other vacancies that are open, that just would make the road to getting to the all time wins number much more.
[01:15:04] Speaker B: I think. I think Atlanta makes sense for him and also even more so because like you mentioned a few minutes ago, the Chargers have scheduled their second interview with Jim Harbaugh. And that seems like a better fit for him just in the fact that everywhere he's gone, he's like dominated as far as wins and losses. And they've got a pretty solid roster to really start building something around.
[01:15:29] Speaker C: The best team in the NFL can't win football games.
[01:15:34] Speaker B: Our piece is always, we're missing a quarterback. Their piece seems to be they're missing the head coach to put it all together. Yeah, and Jim Harbaugh might be the guy. And talk about being thorough. For the Chargers, they've interviewed 15 head coaching candidates. They've had multiple second interviews with head coaching candidates, and they've interviewed eight GM candidates, but no second interviews announced there yet.
[01:15:55] Speaker C: Good on them. They know it's a problem. They don't want to screw it up this, so.
[01:15:59] Speaker B: But I do think that most likely Jim Harbaugh ends up as the Chargers next head coach and Bill Belichick ends up as the next Atlanta Falcons head coach.
[01:16:09] Speaker C: Just a real quick hypothetical. Bill Belichick goes to Atlanta, Atlanta wins the Super bowl. This, like, what does that do for the Brady.
[01:16:16] Speaker B: I think it starts it all up, know, because then you get the arguments of, well, when Brady left the Patriots, he left him in cap hell and everything else, and he had to try and rebuild, but it was too late. The roster was already decimated. So what are you going to do? Yeah, so I think it just starts it all up again.
[01:16:37] Speaker C: Brady comes back for fuck you, I'm.
[01:16:40] Speaker B: Going to go play for somebody else and win another Super bowl. I'm the only guy to win Super bowl. Three different teams.
[01:16:44] Speaker C: What if Brady comes back and plays for Atlanta? They're like, we're a quarterback away.
[01:16:48] Speaker B: I'm in. You talked me into it. I got another good season in me. That would be the ultimate, like, let's go out on top together, buddy.
But yeah. And then Ron Rivera, former head coach of the commanders, is interviewing for the DC job in Philly right now. So, not right now, but I mean, like this week, right this very moment live, which is wild. I mean, talk about it. Dude's been a head coach for ever.
Riverboat run and the fact that he's kind of taking a step back now. Right.
[01:17:17] Speaker C: He's had some pretty big failures over the last few years, Panthers and Washington.
[01:17:24] Speaker B: I feel like he just doesn't know how to pick the right head coaching job. I'm sure there was others that offered him and he was like, I'm going to take the worst possible, scariest environmental.
[01:17:32] Speaker C: I mean, go to the worst ownership groups and the teams with the worst history.
[01:17:37] Speaker B: That's all you had to say. Scariest environmental match, least amount of talent.
[01:17:41] Speaker C: Like, what was he looking at when he went to the commander? He was thinking, well, we got chase young.
[01:17:45] Speaker B: This is a good situation.
Yeah, I like this.
[01:17:48] Speaker C: I mean, out of all the places to go, they get the worst ownership group of football. That had to be very clear, at least.
[01:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Every year they're talking about just like, kicking them out of the league.
You guys suck.
[01:18:00] Speaker C: How do you pick them over? Anybody know?
[01:18:02] Speaker B: I don't. Yeah. I mean, we'll see if he lands the decent job in Philly.
[01:18:07] Speaker C: You sleep in the bed. That, you mean that's. That's where Ron put.
[01:18:11] Speaker B: Yep. And then it's safe to say that the Patriots way has gone out the window. Gerard Mayo has been very outspoken since taking over for Bill Belichick, complete opposite of what Belichick always was. And his latest statement is that he's ready to burn some cash to kickstart the Patriots rebuild. It's not a big deal that he's outspoken. It's just kind of very interesting to.
[01:18:34] Speaker C: Watch, given that it's almost very Dan Campbellish.
[01:18:37] Speaker B: Yeah. But it's been interesting as it unfolds, because for so long, for about a quarter of a century, we've seen Bill Belichick like the Patriots way and tight lift. Everything's like very business. Like Gerard Mayo from get go. He's like, I'm here and we're ready to do.
It's been. It's been weird.
It's not your daddy's Patriots. You know what?
No, no.
[01:19:05] Speaker C: Look, I'm excited to see what they do this year. I think they could definitely make some noise.
Interesting. That division continues to be interesting because you have the Dolphins that can score 70 points but can't beat anybody, can't beat good teams, the Bills, who could.
[01:19:21] Speaker B: Beat everybody except for the Kansas City.
[01:19:24] Speaker C: Then you got the jets coming back with Aaron Rogers. So Gerard Mayo has his work cut.
[01:19:30] Speaker B: Out for did they really want to compete with our division? They're like, we want to be the AFC North.
[01:19:35] Speaker C: I mean, they could be one of the tougher divisions next year for sure. They were supposed to be this year, but Buffalo kind of had a slow start and Patriots were asked. Patriots were. Then Rogers got broken.
[01:19:50] Speaker B: He ran the flag out and then he was gone.
[01:19:53] Speaker C: He was gone.
[01:19:56] Speaker B: But yeah, with that, that'll conclude the trip around the NFL. So let me remind you all to call the Bernie river sports guest hot take outline.
That's right. Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take outline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
[01:20:15] Speaker C: 330-227-8080 I'm still up for cold take at this point.
[01:20:19] Speaker B: 3302-2780-8033-0227-8 call now. Operators are not standing by, but let's take a quick break and then get back here and talk about how the playoffs are going to shake out this week for everybody. That's left.
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Okay, so again, we know, we know. We do have one interview left in the Cleveland Browns fan Cruise alumni interview series. We haven't been able to make it happen yet. Hanford Dixon will be interviewed soon. We'll get that out to you guys before the cruise. 100%. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
It's like every time I say cruise, that happens. What the hell's happening? What was that?
[01:22:49] Speaker C: I know what that is.
[01:22:50] Speaker B: What is it?
[01:22:51] Speaker C: The official signal to remind you that the Cleveland Browns fan cruise is just 46 days away.
[01:22:56] Speaker B: 46 days.
[01:22:57] Speaker C: We're getting close, man.
[01:22:58] Speaker B: We are getting close.
[01:23:01] Speaker C: Better get my passport.
[01:23:03] Speaker B: Yeah, we got to get this thing going. But. That's right. March 11, we set sail for five unforgettable days at sea with nearly 20 Cleveland Browns alumni, including Hanford Dixon.
[01:23:13] Speaker C: It's going to be hella dope.
[01:23:14] Speaker B: It is going to be dope.
[01:23:18] Speaker C: Excuse me.
[01:23:19] Speaker B: Seriously? That's how excited you are?
[01:23:22] Speaker C: I couldn't keep my.
[01:23:24] Speaker B: You got problems.
[01:23:24] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:23:25] Speaker B: But yeah. So come set sail with us. It's going to be a lot of fun. A lot of alumni that you could talk to get autographs from. You're guaranteed an autograph from every single one of them, just so you know. Yeah.
[01:23:35] Speaker C: Because there's just autograph sessions and they're going to give you, like, pictures of the players to get autographed.
[01:23:40] Speaker B: Yeah. They're like, here's your picture. This is what gets autographed.
[01:23:42] Speaker C: Like, you don't have to bring anything with you.
[01:23:43] Speaker B: No, you don't have to do anything except show up.
[01:23:46] Speaker C: Ever show up.
[01:23:47] Speaker B: Go to the fan cruise and then.
[01:23:48] Speaker C: Go to dinner with us and hear me belch.
[01:23:50] Speaker B: Yeah. That's gross.
We will be mcing some events, parts of some events. The opening day pool party. We'll have a segment on that. We'll have some segments on the closing day pool party.
[01:24:01] Speaker C: The big auditorium event.
[01:24:03] Speaker B: Yeah. The Q and a with the players. And we will also have our own tiki hut that we'll be doing a podcast from the beach type thing.
[01:24:11] Speaker C: A beach cast, a burning river beach cast.
[01:24:14] Speaker B: Burning River beach cast. I will be interviewing some fans that are on the fan cruise as well as the alumni. So it'll be a lot of fun. Make sure you join us. If you haven't got your tickets yet, you're wrong. That's right. And that'll take us to the NFL divisional round segments are getting shorter and shorter because there's less and less teams.
[01:24:38] Speaker C: There's less teams.
[01:24:40] Speaker B: It's only two. This week the AFC championship game is Kansas City at Baltimore.
[01:24:46] Speaker C: Kenny, I'm the only one here?
[01:24:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Who do you got?
[01:24:54] Speaker C: Kansas City is just so darn good and has such a track record heading into this game. It's tough to pick against them, but I've been picking Baltimore all year. I think they have been playing the best football consistently of any team all year.
I like what Lamar has done. Likely going to be MVP of the league.
That defense is just sick, nasty.
I think Kansas City is like a year away from being a super winner again because I think they're going to reload receivers in the draft this year and then they're going to be hella scary again.
I think this is the year, although.
[01:25:35] Speaker B: They'Re notorious for not getting receivers.
[01:25:37] Speaker C: Yeah, but if they can get one or two into that mix of guys that are already pretty good and they add another stud, they're just going to be unstoppable again. This is the one year where their receivers are kind of weak outside of Kelsey.
I'm going to go Baltimore. I think this is a high scoring affair. We'll see what the weather does, but it'll be outside in Baltimore. I think that levels the playing field a little bit when you're playing Kansas City because no one likes to go to Arrowhead in January and M and T Bank stadium has been pretty rowdy itself. So I'm going to go Baltimore. Let's call this 38 35.
[01:26:16] Speaker B: Nice.
I just hate Baltimore and I don't want to see them in a Super bowl.
[01:26:23] Speaker C: Oh, I don't want them.
[01:26:24] Speaker B: So just, I'm going to be honest simply because of that and because I'm picking with my heart here and what I want to see, I'm going Kansas City. All of the reasons that you laid out are very good arguments for why Baltimore will make it to the Super bowl. This, I can't. I don't really have an argument against any of them, but Patrick Mahomes is special and the dude seems to will his team to victory at every turn. So I'm just going to go with the x factor of Patrick Mahomes. I will say the last time Mahomes and Lamar Jackson faced off, though, lamar Jackson got him.
[01:27:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:27:01] Speaker B: Last second touchdown.
[01:27:03] Speaker C: The only knock really on Kansas City in the playoffs was that they have always had home games. And so they were kind of thinking going to Buffalo, it was his first.
[01:27:12] Speaker B: Road victory, and now that Patrick Mahomes has a road victory in the playoffs.
[01:27:17] Speaker C: Which technically they play the Super bowl in a neutral open.
[01:27:20] Speaker B: But does that open up like, okay, I can win anywhere now?
[01:27:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:27:24] Speaker B: So anyways, I'm taking Kansas City and I'm going to go 20 117.
Yeah. Kansas City's defense is going to play out of their mind, apparently.
And then I am doing a proxy for bone, man. He did send in his picks for us. So he has Baltimore 27 24 in this one.
[01:27:49] Speaker C: Nice.
[01:27:51] Speaker B: And so that'll take us to the NFC side of things. We've got Detroit at San Francisco.
We'll start with bones. He sent that in as well. He's got San Francisco in this one, but he's got a nail biter. He's got a 31 30 coming down to the wire. So myself, I'm going to disagree with the big bone, man. I'm taking Detroit to go to the Super bowl. Even though this thing's scripted and you know it's going to be Baltimore versus San Francisco. I'm taking the other two teams.
I'm taking Kansas City versus Detroit in the Super bowl. I've said it all of. I don't root for any other team, but as far as just like a sentimental pick because it's my dad's favorite team and he's been suffering just as long as we have. Maybe not just as long, but he's been suffering a long time. Like us, I would rather Detroit win this game than San Francisco. And I'm going to go Detroit wins this one.
I think they actually win it convincingly. I'm going to go 28 to 17.
[01:28:50] Speaker C: Wow. Okay.
Um.
This Detroit team is special. I mean, they have kind of this team of destiny kind of thing around.
[01:29:01] Speaker B: They're what the Browns were supposed to be.
[01:29:04] Speaker C: We talked earlier about Dan Campbell and what he's meant to that franchise over the last couple of years and the way he's turned that program around. I do think this thing is fixed and it's going to be Baltimore versus San Francisco because that's the colors of the logo, apparently the script in the NFL.
[01:29:19] Speaker B: Did you see the things on the cable networks where one of the networks accidentally leaked it and it was like the Super bowl halftime show by whoever during the San Francisco game?
[01:29:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, it's totally fixed. So we know that it's in Baltimore and San Francisco, but just in the interest of hoping that my favorite sport is not fixed, I'm going to go Detroit. They've got the hot hand. They've been playing well.
They've got all of the momentum and all the feel good story behind them.
Plus, here's the thing about San Francisco that I don't like.
Brock Purdy is Mr. Irrelevant. You come in, have a great first year, and then you go to the Super bowl your sophomore year and win it. Like, there's rules here. You got to pay your dues. You don't just get to be relevant anything and just come in and just be on a good team and win the Super bowl. Like, f you.
So I'm going to go Detroit, 28 24 in this one, even though it's going to be San Francisco, Baltimore.
[01:30:26] Speaker B: I'm with you there. I want Detroit to win and I want Kansas City to win, but it's going to be Baltimore and San Francisco.
[01:30:31] Speaker C: What is the Super bowl? That would be if it's Detroit versus Kansas City, because the Kansas City's got the Kelsey's and Taylor Swift. It'll be like pop culture America versus, like, hardworking, blue collar America. It'll just be a civil war.
[01:30:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:30:42] Speaker C: It'll be on its own.
[01:30:43] Speaker B: It'll be awesome. So much more interesting than Baltimore versus San Francisco.
[01:30:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:30:49] Speaker B: Powerhouse defenses. It's going to be a low scoring game.
[01:30:51] Speaker C: It's going to be a terrible game to watch. Yeah, I saw one.
[01:30:56] Speaker B: If Baltimore and San Francisco play, I think it might legitimately be like 13 to ten.
[01:31:01] Speaker C: Could be.
[01:31:02] Speaker B: It's going to be awful. As much as I like defensive battles, it's going to be awful.
[01:31:05] Speaker C: I saw one influencer Post this week. The script is still alive except for they had Baltimore and they had the line going to the color know, it's like purple and red for San Francisco. They had the color line going to the Lombardi trophy, which is silver. And they were like, it's Detroit and Baltimore. And I was like, hey, idiot, the Lombardi trophy is in every one of these logos.
[01:31:29] Speaker B: Can't use the trophy.
[01:31:30] Speaker C: Go punch yourself in the nuts.
[01:31:32] Speaker B: What a terrible, like, just, I don't know, get on TikTok or YouTube or any of these social medias at any point, and nobody's saying that that's the script. No, not a single person.
[01:31:44] Speaker C: It was also an influencer we reached out to once and tried to have on our show, and they just didn't respond. So. F them.
[01:31:49] Speaker B: F them.
But anyways, let me remind you to call the burning of a sports.
Don't forget to call me your hot takes on the hot take outline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
[01:31:59] Speaker C: All the hot takes. We want the hot takes.
[01:32:00] Speaker B: 3302-2780-8033-0227-8080-3302-278 call now. Operators are not standing by and be sure to check out our gear. Ww dot thetepinmedia.com shop, go to showspecific, click on Burning river sportscast, that's this podcast and you will see all of our gear. It is fucking dope. Get some. Wow. Go on and get some ringing endorsement and that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect next week?
[01:32:31] Speaker C: Well, I can tell you that next week we're going to recap what's going to be a hell of awesome weekend of football conference championship games on Sunday, three and six or three and 630, whatever it comes out to be.
Look, this is the best time of the year, really. Divisional. The wild card weekend is my favorite weekend because it's just football on non.
[01:32:51] Speaker B: Football, football, football, football.
[01:32:53] Speaker C: But when you get to this point in the season, you get to championship week.
[01:32:56] Speaker B: It's just really good football.
[01:32:57] Speaker C: It's the best four teams in the game playing off against each other. So going to be a ton of fun.
And then we will follow along all the way through the Super bowl here. So we'll continue to make picks up until the big game.
We'll probably also throw a little bit of Pro bowl coverage in there because we'll have that in between the Super bowl and the championship.
[01:33:19] Speaker B: Are they doing the Pro bowl games again?
[01:33:21] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll talk about it next week and go through kind of itinerary what they're going to do.
[01:33:25] Speaker B: The Pro bowl game.
[01:33:26] Speaker C: Pro bowl games. And then obviously we should come up.
[01:33:29] Speaker B: With a segment that's literally like Hunger games. But I know we kind of dabbled in it last year, but we should really do it this year, like full Hunger games.
[01:33:39] Speaker C: Are we just killing off players? What are we doing?
[01:33:42] Speaker B: No, like, me and you just like the way we commentate this.
[01:33:45] Speaker C: Me and you'd fight to the death.
[01:33:47] Speaker B: No, I mean, I would win, you would lose.
[01:33:50] Speaker C: I mean, I'm pretty sure I could squash you at this point. That's true.
[01:33:55] Speaker B: If you sat on me, I could not breathe. No, I'm saying what's his name? The dude that announces the Hunger Games that always talks.
[01:34:04] Speaker C: Yeah, what's his name?
[01:34:06] Speaker B: Yeah, we just do the whole episode like him.
[01:34:08] Speaker C: Hunger Games voice.
[01:34:10] Speaker B: This is the Pro bowl game.
[01:34:12] Speaker C: 74Th annual Hunger Games.
[01:34:14] Speaker B: Pro bowl games. All right, maybe not, but anyways, go on.
[01:34:17] Speaker C: And then obviously we'll be covering any browns news that comes up along the way.
[01:34:22] Speaker B: And don't forget to check us out on social media, tap and media is on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. At the tap and media and burning river sportscast, that's this podcast on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. At burning over Sportscast. On X at burning over podcast. You can find our podcast wherever you get your podcast. I'm talking Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google podcasts, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora, Heart radio podcast, Castro, good pods, and so many more. And, you know, that takes us to Kenneth.
You should match that up with my voice. Like music.
[01:34:58] Speaker C: I like it.
Facts for days.
[01:35:03] Speaker B: This isn't going to be as funny today because bone has good reactions usually.
[01:35:07] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll miss Bone here.
[01:35:08] Speaker B: Somber once again. Pray for the family.
[01:35:11] Speaker C: Hopefully pray if you're not religious, don't pray. Just think about them.
[01:35:14] Speaker B: Lots of prayers.
[01:35:15] Speaker C: Color picture facts for days.
[01:35:18] Speaker B: Let's hear them.
[01:35:20] Speaker C: Number one. Number one, Alaska is the only us state whose name is typed using just one row of the standard keyboard.
[01:35:33] Speaker B: Nice.
[01:35:34] Speaker C: Interesting, huh?
[01:35:35] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:35:36] Speaker C: Number two.
[01:35:37] Speaker B: I like when we have these lighter ones that we just move on from. We're like, oh, that's cool. Yeah. Okay.
[01:35:42] Speaker C: They're not as controversial.
[01:35:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:35:44] Speaker C: Number two, the Windy City. Chicago. I hate Chicago.
[01:35:51] Speaker B: I know you do. I actually like Chicago. We have some family in Chicago and I love visiting them. But you hate.
[01:35:56] Speaker C: What do you like about.
[01:35:59] Speaker B: Don't. I can't really put my finger on it, but I just like the older.
[01:36:03] Speaker C: I get, the bigger the city I hate more.
[01:36:05] Speaker B: I will say in general, I don't like being in really big cities for extended periods of time.
Yeah, it's just difficult. But that's probably why I like Chicago. I like going there for a couple days. I don't like going there.
[01:36:18] Speaker C: It takes forever to get into a restaurant.
[01:36:21] Speaker B: It depends on where you go. If you know people that live, if you go somewhere to go, good. No, there's a lot of good restaurants outside of the main tourist attractions in Chicago.
[01:36:30] Speaker C: Those aren't good. There's no one in them. If there's no one there, how can they be good?
[01:36:34] Speaker B: Tourist spots are not the spots that locals go. The spots that locals go are.
[01:36:38] Speaker C: I ain't even talking about tourist spots. I'm just saying the whole city is trash.
[01:36:43] Speaker B: I disagree, but go on.
[01:36:44] Speaker C: The Windy City, Chicago is not necessarily named after its weather. Journalists coined the term in the 18 hundreds to criticize the people in Chicago as being full of hot air.
[01:36:57] Speaker B: You just said they suck. And that journalist agreed, and then they just accepted. They're like, yep, we're the Windy city.
[01:37:03] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:37:04] Speaker B: Wow.
I'm going to have to let the cousins know that live out there.
[01:37:08] Speaker C: That's right, love. No, they're full of hot air.
[01:37:09] Speaker B: You guys are full of hot air. Don't even talk to me. You're from Chicago.
[01:37:12] Speaker C: Windy there, but it's a double entendre kind of. Number three.
[01:37:18] Speaker B: Do you know what the bean is?
[01:37:20] Speaker C: Yeah. It's the worst tourist attraction on the planet. It's a big, silver, chrome bean.
[01:37:24] Speaker B: It's not even a bean. It's a cloud.
[01:37:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it's just stupid.
[01:37:27] Speaker B: It's a cloud.
[01:37:28] Speaker C: It's everything about Chicago that I hate.
[01:37:30] Speaker B: Go on. Number three.
[01:37:31] Speaker C: Number three.
[01:37:33] Speaker B: I've got Kenny so turned down now because he's talked too much about.
[01:37:36] Speaker C: There's one good pizza place in all of Chicago.
[01:37:39] Speaker B: Number three.
[01:37:41] Speaker C: Chicago Pizza Company and Grinder Company.
[01:37:44] Speaker B: For those who are wondering, what's number three?
[01:37:46] Speaker C: They make a pizza pop pie.
[01:37:48] Speaker B: What's number three?
[01:37:48] Speaker C: Make a pizza pop pie. That will blow your balls off.
[01:37:51] Speaker B: Hell, yes. I want to keep my balls, though.
[01:37:53] Speaker C: Some mediterranean bread. Number three. And in the file for don't let your teachers get you down.
[01:38:03] Speaker B: Okay, I didn't know that was a file, but go on.
[01:38:06] Speaker C: In 1958, high schooler bob Heft designed the 50 star american flag that flies today. At the time, Alaska and Hawaii were not yet states.
Heft assumed they would become states, rightly, and so he altered his family's existing 48 star flag to add two more stars.
His teacher gave him a b minus at the time.
[01:38:32] Speaker B: What a dick.
[01:38:33] Speaker C: But two years later, after President Dwight D. Eisenhower selected his flag's design out of 1500 submissions, Hef's teacher changed his grade to an a.
[01:38:45] Speaker B: How do you retroactively, two years later, change a grade to an a like it's already done? You already got your report card. You already moved on. Everything's done. What the fuck are you talking. I am pissed right now.
[01:38:55] Speaker C: How embarrassing. If you're a teacher, you give somebody a bad grade on the project and the president of the United States is like, nope, overruled.
[01:39:02] Speaker B: This is the goat.
[01:39:02] Speaker C: This is our new flag for the entire country.
It wasn't good enough for Mrs. Coleslaw.
[01:39:09] Speaker B: In my opinion, Miss Coleslaw should be fired forever. Forever? You have to retire from teaching that day.
What is it called when you get dishonorable discharge from teaching?
[01:39:23] Speaker C: She's going to get discharged.
Don't be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[01:39:31] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires burning river sports care burning River Burning river sports care burning deep down inside burning burning make this face. Burning.
[01:39:50] Speaker C: Burning Sanders.
[01:39:52] Speaker B: Burning sanders. I like that.
[01:39:54] Speaker C: Burning Sanders. Burning river sports cast.
[01:39:58] Speaker B: Oh, you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.
[01:40:03] Speaker C: You can't roller skate in a buffalo herd. You can't roller skate in a buffalo herd. But you can be happy if you mind, dude. Good night, Cleveland Browns fan cruise and the Burning river sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of?
[01:40:20] Speaker B: Motorboat. You play the motorboat, you motorboat son of a bitch. You old sailor, you.
[01:40:26] Speaker C: You know, I was thinking during that.
[01:40:27] Speaker B: Interview, what were you. Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[01:40:32] Speaker C: Wow. My name is Utrid.
[01:40:35] Speaker B: Son of Utrid, by the way. I want my force come back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[01:40:40] Speaker C: Women's guide to anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes the second edition? He didn't want to send her the first edition. He wanted to send her the second edition.
[01:40:49] Speaker B: Listen, this one, they made some improvements.
[01:40:52] Speaker C: We figured out how to do this better. The weather outside is weather.
[01:40:56] Speaker B: The other one, the finger eating food.
[01:40:58] Speaker C: Fingers ejaculate all over my body and my genitals. Yes.
[01:41:02] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I have a bunch of shit. He shit everywhere. Oh, no. We suck again. What do you mean, funny? Funny how? How am I funny? Goddamn jet. All I do is win, win no matter what. Hope. And now we have no hope.
[01:41:18] Speaker C: I saw enough Joe Flacco hate on social media after this game. It's like, if you're blaming Joe Flacco.
[01:41:25] Speaker B: For this, did you not watch the first half?
[01:41:28] Speaker C: Get a life. You're not even a football fan. You don't know dick about football.
[01:41:32] Speaker B: I mean, last year when I won and went home, my wife's pants hit the ground. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[01:41:39] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:41:40] Speaker B: But damn, the leads are weak. Leads are weak.
[01:41:44] Speaker C: Fucking leads are weak.
[01:41:46] Speaker B: You're weak.
[01:41:48] Speaker C: You know why, Mr. Because you drove a Hyundai? To get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
[01:41:56] Speaker B: I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Now, I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers.
I don't think they want to listen any longer.
It's Mother Nature.
[01:42:08] Speaker C: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[01:42:09] Speaker B: I desperately want to make love to.
[01:42:11] Speaker C: We need cheese girl. Now, who's canceled? Now? Who's canceled now?
[01:42:20] Speaker B: Probably me.
[01:42:20] Speaker C: You making a photo of fat people?
[01:42:23] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[01:42:25] Speaker C: We're a whole race, basically.
[01:42:28] Speaker B: No way. You're just straight. Just finger banged. Or salad.
You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[01:42:39] Speaker C: You like to see almost naked. That's cool, man.
[01:42:41] Speaker B: Whatever. No.
[01:42:43] Speaker C: Are you not entertained?
[01:42:45] Speaker B: Are you not entertained?
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