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[00:00:55] Speaker B: Media it's time.
[00:01:17] Speaker C: Time for the Burning river sportscast. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. It's almost like Dickens himself was a Browns fan. Oh no, we suck again. Because just like that, folks, the hell ride is over. What appeared to be promising circumstances for our battle tested Browns heading into the postseason turned out to be the end of the line hopes and dreams upended by rookie quarterback CJ Stroud and just a pitiful effort from Cleveland across all three phases of the game. We knew things would look different with Stroud in the lineup, but no one anticipated being absolutely boat raced and demoralized by this young texan squad with the season coined to success, Freeman making the playoffs. Regarding the circumstances, your head coach, still likely the coach of the year, and your defensive leader, still a front runner for defensive player of the year, the outlook heading into next year somehow still seems bleak. What do we do from here? How do we balance the joy of this season's unlikely success with the devastation that we experienced in the playoffs? And where do the Browns go from here to remain a top contender in the AFC next year and beyond? That feels like a question we'll spend all season asking and not one to be answered in fool anytime soon. But have no fear, because we'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning river sportscast.
[00:02:39] Speaker D: Like on so many occasions. Indianapolis game, San Francisco game. You know, where we somehow pulled those out of our butt and won the game. I couldn't do it.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: I couldn't do swear.
[00:02:49] Speaker C: He almost went there.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: Bone can't swear.
[00:02:53] Speaker C: Carolina's front office right now. Just punch yourself in the face and nuts, nuts. Especially in the nuts.
[00:02:59] Speaker B: Repeatedly punch yourself in the nuts.
[00:03:00] Speaker C: In the nuts.
I believe. I have believed. I believe.
[00:03:06] Speaker B: What? I believe that Nick will play. I believe that Nick will play. I believe that Nick will play.
[00:03:12] Speaker C: You can shit in one hand and shit in the other. She got shit in both hands.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: You got so much shit in your hands.
[00:03:18] Speaker C: These just seemed like two weird.
Two weird releases. I mean, three.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: Even the tight ends. Coach had one of the best years.
[00:03:29] Speaker C: Of his career and was on fire for the last five weeks.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: Don't say he was on fire.
[00:03:36] Speaker C: Shit.
I'm so canceled.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: The innocence of children they don't understand hating people for no reason.
[00:03:47] Speaker C: Stay with me for a second.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: Okay. She's going to take us on a ride. Let's go.
[00:03:52] Speaker C: Kevin Stefanski gets fired. Bill Belichick gets hired by the Browns. It comes full circle, baby.
[00:03:57] Speaker B: I don't think it's going to happen.
We just talked about Kevin Stefanski is probably going to win coach of the year. Like, this is not the year they're going to fire him. If it would have been after last year, I probably would have been with you.
[00:04:07] Speaker C: How many opportunities do you have to hire Bill Belichick in your life?
[00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah, but then what if we did.
[00:04:12] Speaker C: It once and screwed up already? But what if you probably fix that mistake.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: We just talked about how old he is. What if he dies next year?
[00:04:17] Speaker C: What if he puts in place a succession plan? He's got kids.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: I don't give a kids.
I know at least one other person. This year's my birthday.
[00:04:26] Speaker C: He's not special.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: Yeah, she went to school with us.
[00:04:30] Speaker C: That's true.
[00:04:31] Speaker B: Yeah. I kissed her in such a good job, buddy.
[00:04:39] Speaker C: Welcome in to the Burning river sports cast presented by tapping media and brought to you by seaside events as the official cruise event provider of the Cleveland Browns and organizer of the Browns fan Cruise, I'm Kenny Thunder, joined as always by the original Crocodile hunter, Red hot Ronnie jams. And on the board today, the world's only hope to fight the incoming artificial intelligence insurrection, the big Bone. Man Bone, how do you plan to fight back against the machines?
[00:05:04] Speaker D: I've been watching Terminator lately, so I've been taking notes, and my plan is to go back in time and defeat him before it begins.
[00:05:13] Speaker C: I like that.
[00:05:13] Speaker B: Well thought out.
[00:05:14] Speaker C: Back to Red hot, where.
[00:05:16] Speaker B: Connor, listeners, where are you going to get the time travel device to do this?
[00:05:20] Speaker C: Do you ever see back to the.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: We're going. Okay. Yep, I got you. He was talking about Terminator. You're talking about back to the future. But we're going to make it back to you. Sure. What's that?
[00:05:32] Speaker C: Where can our listeners find our exclusive interviews with Browns, backers and former Cleveland Browns players in preparation for what is going to be the nautical event of the year put on by seaside events as we swim in shark infested waters and eat three day old microwave scrambled eggs. Just kidding. That's my brown's depression speaking. While the ocean does contain sharks, we probably won't see any. Probably. And the food is said to be top notch.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: There's nothing better than sharks in the ocean.
[00:05:53] Speaker C: Nothing better than seeing them, that's for sure.
[00:05:55] Speaker B: Unless you're in the ocean.
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[00:06:41] Speaker C: I need you to get me a blanket.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: I can do that. I think there's actually already one in there, just so you know. Excellent. And just like that, as Kenny mentioned, all our hopes and dreams received a pile drive straight to hell.
It was just over. The Browns were unceremoniously manhandled by CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans. And this one hurt. I could feel it in your opening. Usually you've got so much energy, and it was not all tried.
[00:07:09] Speaker C: I tried.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: You gave it your all. But all good things must come to an end. And despite the improbable finish to the regular season that the Browns had, eventually this was all going to catch up with them. The injuries, the adversity, everything was going to catch up. But we choose to remain optimistic. Or I do anyway. I can't speak for my co host here, who tends to be the ultimate pessimist when it comes to the Cleveland Browns, or as he would call it the ultimate realist, but because there is still a lot to look forward to with this team next year. Despite what you may say, I'd like to remain positive. I'm sure we'll get into that here soon, but so what do we have planned for today's show? Today we've got the wild card week recap of the abysmal showing against the Texans. No alumni interviews as you mentioned, we've got one left that we're going to work on getting to you guys in these next couple of weeks before the fan cruise here.
And also, no interviews with brownsbackers today because the season's over.
[00:08:05] Speaker C: Season's over.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: So we only do that during the season. We may have a random one here or there in the offseason just to talk about things that are happening, but for the most part, the brownsbackers interviews are reserved for the season because we follow the team. Yeah, we follow the team. We brownsbackers in or around the city.
[00:08:23] Speaker C: That they're playing, the bus is officially put away.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it's put away. We're at home. We're at home. And finally, we'll round out the show with the NFL divisional round preview for the rest of the league. That is because, as we just mentioned, the Browns are now on their couches with the rest of us. So a little bit more somber than recent weeks, but we're still going to do what we do and entertain the living hell out of you. So put your shades on because we're about to light your ass up. Let's kick things off the right way with the burning river news story of the weekend.
All right, so this week it was leaked that the release date for NCAA 2024 is July 12 of 2024. That's right. NCAA football is back after a ten year hiatus. Kenny, I know you're a big Madden guy, so how pumped are you?
[00:09:22] Speaker C: I'm a big Madden guy, so not that pumped. I guess. Not that turned, but no.
[00:09:26] Speaker B: Look, you didn't miss NCAA like a.
[00:09:28] Speaker C: Lot of people did. I know this is the game that most sports fans have been clamoring about forever. The last ten years. The last iteration was NCAA 14.
And I know people that literally still play it.
[00:09:42] Speaker B: The graphics are awful.
[00:09:43] Speaker C: I get streams of people playing it on Twitch, like on my facebook.
[00:09:47] Speaker B: All we could do because there's no new one.
[00:09:49] Speaker C: There's no new ones. They still play that. Look, I will say as far as if you do play Madden, it was cool to be able to import your NCAA.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: That's where it all went south.
[00:09:59] Speaker C: Rosters and stuff for the draft.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: That's where it all went south is because they're like, this is getting too real and you're using our image and likeness, but that's where it started to get too real, for sure.
[00:10:12] Speaker C: But look, I know that it sounds like a lot of the primary modes like dynasty mode and road to glory and stuff, they'll be back. Just college football is just one of those games that, because there's so much pageantry in college football, like the bands and the music, I think that people love about it. So it's been a long time to not have that.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: I think college in general, that's what the whole college thing is. Look, NFL clearly has a superior product and people can argue that all they want, but it is the players are better. They're bigger, faster, stronger, better. Everything's better.
[00:10:44] Speaker C: There was something to the fact that there's 114 or whatever, like division one FBS schools or SCS schools or whatever. So they had stadium renderings for all these. So when you play Madden, you get your 32 stadiums and that's it. So there was something that was cool about everywhere. Going to the University of, they included.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: All of their, like I was just saying, traditions and everything else. Their band does this.
[00:11:07] Speaker C: This band, you can have Akron and Kent playing for the wagon wheel and stuff. That was pretty neat. Yeah.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: Well, now I'm excited it's back. This just helps players, too, because I would think that because they're doing full rosters, they kind of have to be. I assume that everybody's at least getting a little piece of the pie, right? Because you got to pay them for their image and likeness now.
[00:11:30] Speaker C: I would think so. And these things are huge moneymakers. I mean, Madden every year, even though it's just kind of a reskin of a game, still sells millions of copies. Right. This thing's going to be a huge money maker. I do know that EA Sports was quick to come out and clarify that July twelveth may not be the official release date.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: That's because they were mad that it was leaked. They'll probably change it to like July 13.
[00:11:50] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:51] Speaker B: My birthday.
[00:11:52] Speaker D: Nice.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: I don't respect you, so I'll never tell you.
[00:11:56] Speaker C: They did confirm it's coming out this summer, but they were quick to be like, we didn't release a specific date yet.
[00:12:02] Speaker B: When's the last time I wished you happy birthday?
[00:12:05] Speaker C: We haven't wished chilly happy birthday in a long time because of our lack of respect for each other.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't respect you at all. So I'll never say it.
[00:12:12] Speaker C: Usually what I tell you is I would wish you happy birthday, but I don't respect.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: I mean, I get it. I feel the same way.
[00:12:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:21] Speaker B: Bone, though, I respect him.
[00:12:22] Speaker C: I respect bone.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: I usually tell me and Bone almost share a birthday very close.
[00:12:26] Speaker C: I usually tell him it's kind of funny.
[00:12:28] Speaker B: I tell Bone happy birthday every year, and the very next day he turns around and tells me happy birthday.
[00:12:31] Speaker D: Yeah, it's a good reminder to tell him happy birthday.
[00:12:35] Speaker C: Well, Bones is actually a good reminder for me to not wish you a happy birthday.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you.
[00:12:40] Speaker C: I know Ronnie's is like, right after Bones.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:44] Speaker C: And I'm not going to wish him a happy birthday.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:12:47] Speaker C: But I usually will text you, like, the day after and be like, just so you know, I didn't wish you happy birthday on purpose again this year.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Sometimes I just pretend to you, like, I didn't even realize it was your birthday. I always know. I'll give you that. I always know. But you remember the one time we went cheesecake factory? I was like, oh, it's your birthday.
[00:13:03] Speaker C: It is harder to remember birthdays than it used to be, though.
[00:13:06] Speaker B: That's true. I don't know how we got from NCAA to birthdays, but with that, let's talk about the wild card recap.
[00:13:13] Speaker C: Super wild card week.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: Let's talk about the super wild card week recap.
All right, we all know how this one ended. The Cleveland Browns went down to Houston and the magic finally ran out as they had no answer for the Texans in this absolute blowout loss. The Browns lost 45 to 14. This game was painful. This game was sad and depressing and sad and deflating and sad. And I was pretty sad.
[00:13:48] Speaker C: You know what the problem was?
They played so well down the stretch.
[00:13:52] Speaker B: That they gave us so well.
[00:13:53] Speaker C: Expectations and hope.
[00:13:55] Speaker B: Those sons of bitches.
[00:13:56] Speaker C: We should never.
[00:13:57] Speaker D: Like, we've never had before.
[00:13:58] Speaker C: We should never have expectations.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: That was the problem. You can't trust Cleveland expectations.
[00:14:03] Speaker C: How many times are we going to do this and not learn to just not.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: It felt different, man.
[00:14:08] Speaker D: Buy into it, blindsided.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: It felt different, and it wasn't different. It was the same. It was just as bad as it's ever been.
[00:14:14] Speaker C: Just as bad as ever been. I mean, truthfully, we were a few days removed from it.
[00:14:19] Speaker B: Now it might even be worse because we did have hopes and expectations.
[00:14:23] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying.
We had, like, legitimate hope that this was going to be a deep playoff run.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: And don't get me wrong, I do tend to be on the side of what most people are saying. As far as still, I feel good about the season because I was. I mean, especially.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: It was a fun.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: I remember how I felt when Nick Chubb went down on week.
[00:14:42] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: Or was it week? Whatever. Whatever week. It was two or three, and I was like, damn it, our season's over. And it literally just started. So for us to be here, like, yeah, I agree. This was a fantastic season. It was a lot of fun to watch it, a lot of fun to be a part of it and cover it all season long.
But at the same time, my heart hurts so bad right now because there were those hopes and expectations, and realistically.
[00:15:07] Speaker C: Looking at it now, like I said, we're a couple of days removed.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: We probably shouldn't have had that much hope.
[00:15:12] Speaker C: No, it was kind of like, the best analogy I can kind of think of is, like, when you're driving your car and your gaslight comes on and you're like, I should be able to make it a little while longer. That's what the Browns were for. The last four weeks was like, the gas light was on and we just kept driving. And every mile we got, we were like, oh, we can get this far. We'll keep going. Eventually, the car runs out of gas.
That's what this was. You gave it everything that you had. You had everything stacked against you. And this team overachieved all year long, and at some point, emotionally, physically, you're just out of gap. I mean, that team looked lethargic and sad and slow. The defense, which has been great all year, was letting guys get behind them. I mean, it was just everything that could go wrong went wrong.
[00:16:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And we're going to cover it. All right.
[00:16:04] Speaker D: So it almost felt like the entire year, like we said before, the things that normally did go wrong for the browns didn't this year, like, on so many occasions, Indianapolis game, San Francisco game, you know, where we somehow pulled those out of our butt and won the game.
I couldn't do it.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: I couldn't do swear.
[00:16:22] Speaker C: He almost went there.
[00:16:23] Speaker B: Boner can't swear. Yeah.
[00:16:25] Speaker D: And just so many things went right.
[00:16:26] Speaker B: The dude's name is Boner, and he can't.
[00:16:31] Speaker D: And like Kenny said, the last five weeks of the season were so, man, just your hopes. Just, man, my hopes were skyrocketed. I mean, you could hear probably in last week's podcast, and it's just like, man, they were shattered.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Bone's hopes were so high, he almost didn't even care that Dustin Hopkins wasn't playing.
[00:16:48] Speaker C: Yeah, but the thing was, it wasn't just us. Right? You turn on ESPN and everybody was high on the brown legs.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: And it is funny because again, you said we're a couple of days removed now, and you listen to everybody collectively now and they're like, yeah, we had no reason to be as excited as what were we thinking, right?
We're still Cleveland and our entire team was hurt. Why did we think this was going to end any differently?
[00:17:13] Speaker D: But even with that said, though, I feel like we still could have that hope looking back, just because how good the defense played, I don't know if anybody looked at the numbers, like on the road, our defense on the road and how night and day it was, and I'm like, why didn't I ever recognize this during the season? Yeah, we were still somewhat, because we're.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: Brown fans, we needed a home game to have a chance.
[00:17:34] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:17:35] Speaker C: The way Jim Flacco played down the stretch, I mean, the offense was so fun to watch and it was so powerful and high octane, and it was like they could do no wrong.
[00:17:44] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: Even when he did wrong, he came back right after that and he did right again.
It just didn't happen to this one. But we'll start, as we always do with the Houston Texans. With our opponent this week, the Houston Texans, on offense, we didn't see him last time, but we did this time. CJ stroud 16 of 21 for 274 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions he was damn near perfect.
[00:18:08] Speaker C: Kid is special.
[00:18:10] Speaker B: He made some throws where I was just like, what?
[00:18:13] Speaker D: Insane.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: When he's getting, like, tackled, but he just recognizes that I can make this lazy throw out into the flats because nobody's covering right there. And when you see it, you're like, oh, my God, that's getting picked off. But then if you see the other views of the field and you're like, oh, he recognized that there's literally not a defender in that area, and he just threw it up for grabs to his guy to catch up to.
[00:18:39] Speaker C: And to that point, I think that's what was so impressive was that this kid doesn't press at all. He takes what the defense gives him and finds the open guy.
He's at that level where he can see, okay, I know these guys to be covered. Like, this is where the ball should. He just, he's, he's not forcing anything. He's not trying to make a play. He's not trying to be a hero ball.
[00:19:01] Speaker B: It's just, well, I'll tell you this.
[00:19:02] Speaker C: Reacting to the defense, it's hard to.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: Say that somebody's a steal when they're the number two pick in the draft, but CJ Stroud was an absolute steal. The fact that they got.
[00:19:11] Speaker C: You're in Carolina's front office right now. Just punch yourself in the face and nuts. Nuts.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: Especially repeatedly punch yourself in the nuts.
[00:19:18] Speaker C: In the nuts.
[00:19:20] Speaker D: They already fired their coach, right?
[00:19:21] Speaker B: Carolina midseason.
[00:19:23] Speaker D: Okay, that's what I thought.
[00:19:24] Speaker B: Yeah. That's how bad they.
[00:19:25] Speaker D: But their GM is still there, correct?
[00:19:27] Speaker B: I don't know.
I'm not a Carolina fan.
We are covering the Browns, but we don't claim to be experts on any other team on this show.
But, yeah, I mean, they're trash. And their quarterback, while Bryce Young, I don't think he was terrible. He wasn't good like CJ Stroud.
[00:19:45] Speaker C: No.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Like nowhere near what CJ Stroud was.
[00:19:48] Speaker C: No, not even close.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Next up here for the Texans, though, Devin Singletary, 13 carries, 66 yards and a touchdown, three catches for four yards. I mean, he was carving us up pretty good when he got the ball.
[00:20:00] Speaker C: The thing was, it was just poor tackling. We haven't seen that all year. It's like the only guy that can make a tackle is J.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:20:06] Speaker C: And he made a few of them, but he couldn't make all of them.
[00:20:08] Speaker B: Yeah. That's the most disappointing part we're going to talk about, J. Okay, a few times in this episode.
Next up, Nico Collins. Six receptions for 96 yards and touchdown. Dude absolutely torched us all day. Every time they needed a big play, it was Nico Collins.
And we'll get to them in a minute.
I know Newsom and Denzel Ward both came out and said, yeah, we didn't show up in this one. Well, first of all, you picked a great time not to show up.
But second, Nico Collins made them look like they were trapped, like they weren't good at all.
[00:20:42] Speaker C: No, they weren't.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: We just talked about this. This was like the strength of our team. We were going against them with. One of the best parts of our team was our secondary and our past defense, and they absolutely shit all over us. It was bad.
[00:20:56] Speaker C: Yeah. He looked like Michael Urban out there.
[00:21:00] Speaker B: So stupid.
I will say this, too, that I said, CJ Stroud, 16 of 21, 274 yards, three touchdowns. That's basically in like two and a half quarters because the game was over. They just stopped doing anything that he would be racking up yards after that.
[00:21:15] Speaker C: Right.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: Next up here, Brevin Jordan. One reception for 76 yards in a touchdown. And this was the worst tackling I've ever seen in my entire life. And then there was no pursuit by any of the dbs.
[00:21:26] Speaker C: That was my biggest thing is, and I said that starting. I said that literally made a point to say that early in the season that the pursuit angles that our defense was taking to the ball on even a busted play were so good that even a bad play wasn't a big play. There was just no, apparently nobody in pursuit on that play.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: No, he was gone.
[00:21:45] Speaker C: He was just gone. And it's a tight end. That's a tight end. You tell me that none of these guys that run four, three and a 40 could catch that guy so bad? Come on. I know Brevin Jordan is an athletic.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: Tight end, and here's how you know that the secondary played bad. John Metchi, the third, whoever that guy is, three catches for 44 yards and then end around. Yeah. And then Dalton Schultz rounds out with one reception for 37 yards and a touchdown. So, I mean, you can kind of see it here. The overall theme, the overarching theme with the passing game for the Houston Texans.
[00:22:19] Speaker C: Big plays and taking care of the ball. Yeah, that's what's amazing about it, is because CJ can throw the ball deep when he has to, but he does not put the ball in harm's.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: And CJ Stroud, we mentioned it last week, the probable rookie of the year. Offensive rookie of the year. Well, they also have the probable defensive rookie of the year and Will Anderson at defensive end.
And their defense as a whole in this one. Four sacks, two turnovers forced. Those were both interceptions, and both of them were returned for touchdowns. Their defense played very well, and it was a completely different unit. With these guys healthy, their defense looked pretty good. Obviously, we were pressing in the second half to try and catch up, but night and day, from what we saw.
[00:23:05] Speaker C: The first time, yeah, I think their defense was able to get pressure.
We couldn't run the ball.
[00:23:12] Speaker B: No.
[00:23:13] Speaker C: And they were getting to Flacco.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: We haven't been able to run the ball since week two.
[00:23:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Just ugly across the board. Real quick, just for comparison sake, because. Just because we were shitting all over the Panthers. Bryce Young finished the year at 28, 77 total yards, less than 60% completions, eleven touchdowns, ten picks.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: Not good. I take it back. He was ass. He was absolute ass.
Rounding things out for the Texans special teams. Evan McPherson, that's not their kicker. Kai Bay Fairbaron, one of one field goals, six of six for his, six of six for his extra.
[00:23:53] Speaker C: Anytime you have six extra points in a game, you're doing pretty good.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So let's take this thing over to the Cleveland side of the ball. On offense, we got Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco was Joe Flacco. I mean, obviously through the two picks for the two pick sixes, but he was 34 of 46 for 307 yards.
[00:24:10] Speaker C: And even before that, we were down two scores already because our defense was ass so bad. So Joe Flaggo didn't play terrible in this game, but they certainly, I think, threw it more than they wanted to. You don't plan on throwing it 46 times?
[00:24:27] Speaker B: Well, as far as his completion percentage was actually way higher than it usually is.
[00:24:32] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I mean, he completed a lot of balls.
[00:24:34] Speaker B: Still through for 300 yards. Still through 300, he averaged while he played for the Cleveland Browns. Well over 300 yards.
[00:24:41] Speaker C: It just hurts that those picks came, the pick sixes came back to back. It was unusual.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: Well, I think that was the only knock on him. I think most people realize this game wasn't his fault, but that was the nail in the coffin. As soon as that happened, it's like, okay, we had a sliver of hope, and now we have no hope.
[00:24:58] Speaker C: I saw enough Joe Flacco hate on social media after this game. It's like, if you're blaming Joe Flacco.
[00:25:05] Speaker B: For this, did you not watch the first half?
[00:25:08] Speaker C: Get a life. You're not even a football fan. You don't know Dick about football, so why do you even talk?
[00:25:13] Speaker B: The game was basically over a halftime, and he's doing everything he can to try and bring him back. And were they bad decisions and not the most difficult throws? Probably, but you're also just trying to, like, you're just getting throw after throw, trying to go down the field as quickly as you can to try and get back in the game.
[00:25:28] Speaker C: Not only could you strategically, you wouldn't want to run the ball. You couldn't run the ball even if you wanted to.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: Well, and at that point, the other thing that people don't realize is at that point, their defense is playing with reckless abandon because they're so far ahead that they're like, we're going to jump every single route. So they were gambling on every play, and they were able to do things that a defense typically wouldn't do because they have to make sure that they're keeping everything in front of them.
[00:25:55] Speaker C: Right.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: I mean, if they gave up a touchdown, a long touchdown there. Okay. They're still up three scores, right? Yeah.
[00:26:00] Speaker C: You can gamble a lot more when you're up to.
[00:26:02] Speaker B: Nobody cares for sure, you know, they.
[00:26:05] Speaker D: Were throwing the ball too. So that takes a little bit out of the.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't, I don't put this on Joe Flacco at look.
[00:26:12] Speaker C: And just to be fair, again, just to Joe, just tremendous end of the season, tremendous run. Wouldn't have got there without him. PJ Walker wasn't going for one down the stretch.
This dude balled out for this team.
I hope that they find a way to maybe offer him a backup deal and bring him back with the Sean next year.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: I'm sure we'll get into that. Probably not in this episode, but we will get into that eventually because they got a lot of tough decisions to make as far as how they're going to round out this team a out the core players next year.
But next up here, running backs for the Browns, we were kind of right. We got a much bigger dose of cream hunt than we typically do. Eight carries, 26 yards, one touchdown, five receptions for nine yards and a touchdown. So he scored the only two touchdowns for the Browns, which was good to see.
[00:26:57] Speaker C: Dude scored a lot of touchdowns for us this year. He's another guy that came off the couch, right? I mean, he wasn't in training camp. We called him in after Nick Chubb went down. I mean, that dude scored, I think, 13 touchdowns for us during a season.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: And he did say this week that he's open to coming back. He said he's going to explore free agency. But I'm willing to bet if free agency is going to look a lot like it did last year for him, there's not going to be a lot of calls. Yeah. And so I do think that he likes being here in Cleveland.
Even if they just match it. Like, if they say, okay, we're going to give you one year for like 3 million or whatever the deal ends up being, he's going to be like, okay, I'll go back to Cleveland.
[00:27:30] Speaker C: The thing is, you have to have a running back.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
Well, especially to start the season. Nick Chubb's not going to be healthy until probably a quarter of the way through the season or so.
[00:27:39] Speaker C: I don't say that he'll be right.
[00:27:44] Speaker B: Chubb, all along they've been saying he's going to miss the start of next year.
[00:27:47] Speaker D: He needs to call Aaron.
[00:27:48] Speaker C: If Aaron Rodgers can heal a busted achilles in less than weeks, I still.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: Think it was a myth. He never saw the field. I think it was a myth. It was all publicity.
[00:27:57] Speaker C: I believe, I have believed.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: I believe.
I believe that Nick will play. I believe that Nick will play. I believe that Nick will play.
[00:28:05] Speaker C: What I'm worried about is Nick Chubb's effectiveness when he comes back.
[00:28:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Which, again, topics for the offseason here. That's like a whole episode that we could talk about.
Next up here, though, Jerome Ford did not disappoint. Nine carries for 17 yards.
Less than two yards of carry this week. So good job there. Four receptions for 15 yards. And again, I just don't understand.
He's not the guy. I don't have a problem with him being one of the backs in the rotation where he's getting mostly, like, catches out of the backfield and things like that.
[00:28:42] Speaker C: He's a Jag.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: He's just a guy. Yeah.
So I don't know.
[00:28:46] Speaker C: I mean, the thing is, he's a draft pick. He's a buried draft pick. So he's going to be around for a minute. But I literally think he's interchangeable with 90% of the backs in the league.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: I agree. I agree. And I hate to say that because I like Jerome Ford. You grow to like all these players, but he just isn't anything special.
Wide receivers here. David and Joku had a day again, seven receptions for 93 yards.
[00:29:11] Speaker C: We had a lot of uncharacteristic drops in this game, too, including somebody in Joku.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Well, he also got tackled before he was able to catch the ball one time. True.
[00:29:19] Speaker C: That was the first big momentum shift in the game, too.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: Yeah, we were driving. We were doing just fine. And then he got tackled, and nobody called it.
[00:29:25] Speaker C: Keeping pace with them on offense, and then that was one of the most egregious PI calls, and it was on.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: A third and long, wasn't it? Yeah.
[00:29:32] Speaker C: It was a third down conversion, and the line judge was standing right there.
[00:29:37] Speaker B: The screenshot of him standing directly behind Najoku and looking straight through the guy's before the ball gets there and not throwing a flag is just ridiculous.
[00:29:49] Speaker C: Dude, I'm all for AI officiating. I'm here for it. Put these guys out of work. They suck ass.
[00:29:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Next up, Harrison Bryant. First of all, it's not never good when your top receivers are the tight end. Tight end, that's not necessarily a problem, but then the backup tight end is your next top receiver. So four receptions for 65 yards. Amari Cooper. Four receptions for 59 yards. Amari Cooper did aggravate that healing he was bothered with.
[00:30:15] Speaker D: He was babying that because he was.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: Having a pretty good game before that happened. I think all four of his receptions may have come before that happened. That might have been his fourth reception. And then after that, he disappeared.
[00:30:25] Speaker C: Yeah, he got up slow on that one, and I don't think we saw him afterwards.
[00:30:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And then a good sign going forward as far as wide receiver depth, because that is going to be a big issue in the offseason. David Bell, eight receptions for 54 yards. The 54 yards was not so great, but the eight receptions, the Venus fly.
[00:30:41] Speaker D: Trap.
[00:30:43] Speaker C: This guy knows, look, eight receptions for 50 yards.
I'm already did that in four, Harrison.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Well, if all you're being thrown are short stops because you're the third, 4th wide receiver, like, what are you going to do?
[00:30:57] Speaker C: I guess, but I've seen better possession receivers. I don't know. I'm not sold on this guy long term yet.
[00:31:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Obviously we didn't get to see Cedric Tillman because he hadn't had a, um. But that'll take us over to the defensive side of the ball. Defense looked bad. They were really bad in this, like, really bad. We mentioned, uh, Miles Garrett. You said at the top of the show he's your probable defensive player of the year. At least top two.
[00:31:23] Speaker C: He's at least getting all the talk.
[00:31:24] Speaker B: Yeah, everybody's talking about him because he was the top player on the top defense, even though he doesn't.
I'm a Browns fan, and Miles Garrett is one of my favorite players in the entire league, but the numbers do not back him up as far as defense player of the year. The only thing that backs him up in the numbers is that he wins his matchup. All the mean how. Yeah, that's making an impact by opening things up for other players and whatever. And I guess that because we've become so analytical as a fan base for the NFL, they take that into account.
[00:31:57] Speaker C: But, I mean, it's literally become a meme now because just, you have his stat line here, right? Three tackles, no sacks, no hurries, no hits, no passive defense. But the meme is he has a 98.2 grade in his matchups in that game.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: He did.
[00:32:12] Speaker C: No, that's been a meme all week long. It's like he didn't do anything in the game except he won his matchup every time.
Okay, what does that do for you at the end of the day? Because it didn't do anything for this team to help them win.
[00:32:25] Speaker B: Like, I get it. He's a great player and he does the right thing every time. But at some point, you've got to start making an impact in the game. And if you win, you can win 100% of the time. If you have three tackles and you don't do anything else to me, I'm like, well, where was this guy?
[00:32:40] Speaker D: Not looking like deep into the game, just a casual fan watching Miles, it looked like Tunsl manhilled him.
[00:32:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:46] Speaker C: The whole game.
[00:32:47] Speaker B: Right.
I don't want to make this a big session bashing Miles Garrett. I still think he's a phenomenal player. I think he's definitely the best defensive end in the league.
[00:32:56] Speaker C: I love Miles. I just find it fascinating that, and this is a regular season award, right? So the votes are cast on this thing. And so I just think it's fascinating that he's still getting all the talk because for the last few weeks, all the weeks that Joe Flacco came out and looked great, Miles Garrett was almost invisible out.
[00:33:15] Speaker B: It's been since his shoulder injury, and that's not his fault. And it actually has came out today. He's been playing with a separated. So, and we knew that something like that was going to come out and it'll probably come out about some other players as well. But he's been playing with a separated shoulder and I don't know, we ran another guy out of town for playing with a separated shoulder and being ineffective.
[00:33:37] Speaker C: We'll get to that.
[00:33:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
I just don't understand if you're that hurt to where you weren't making an impact in any of those games down the stretch, what are we doing? Why don't you rest up and then hopefully be able to. If he would have rested up from the time that he hurt his shoulder, would we have been able to win this playoff game?
[00:33:56] Speaker C: I just think that's what's disappointing is just like the bone just said.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: If.
[00:34:02] Speaker C: You didn't watch the Browns religiously and you heard the names, you're like, oh, they got Miles Garrett. You turned this game on. You were expecting to see something.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: You didn't see anything.
[00:34:11] Speaker C: You didn't see anything. Like, Miles Garrett could be anybody to you. That's what's disappointing.
[00:34:15] Speaker B: What you saw is he's an impressive specimen. When he walked out on the field, you're like, dang, that guy's probably Miles Garrett. And then he didn't do anything during the game. He had three.
Don't know. I don't know. Next up here, though, we got J. Okay. Nine tackles, eight solo, four tackles for loss. And we're going to talk more about him, him shortly.
So, I mean, do you have anything quick to say about J-O-K. We'll come.
[00:34:40] Speaker C: Back to like, he was the low and bright spot on the defense during this game. I mean, it seemed like, anytime there was a play to be made, he was the one that made it.
[00:34:50] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, besides J-O-K though. I mean, nobody did anything of note in the front seven. Like anything. Nothing. No sacks. We let the offense do whatever they wanted. It was just a bad missed, bad game. Missed extends. It wasn't just the front seven either. That extends to the secondary. And we talked about them a little bit before, but I'll bring that back because probably the worst game I've seen out of the secondary this year, and since they've been a unit, like, as far as all those guys together in the secondary, it's probably the worst game I've seen out of them. Newsom was absolute ass. Dude got burned left and right. I think he was the one that got burned by a tight end on the play that went for the 76 yard touchdown.
[00:35:30] Speaker C: Well, Agbo was in coverage on him and just whipped.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: No, Newsom was on Nico Collins, wasn't he, for his touchdown?
[00:35:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: Either way, it was terrible. Denzel Ward didn't really do anything either. And like we mentioned before, there was no pursuit. Like, anytime somebody did get even, like, a crossing pattern where they got open a little just, it's like, everybody let them.
[00:35:54] Speaker C: We. I agree. Like, CJ Strat is good, but if you're one of the top rated defensive secondaries in the league, we talked about it.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: Pff. Had Martin Emerson as number one, which I didn't even hear. Did Martin Emerson even play? He stayed on the bus, and Denzel Ward is number two. And we said, I'm pretty sure Greg Newsom was top ten or top 15, and none of them showed up. Did they read those too much?
[00:36:19] Speaker C: Those are the types of games that if you're one of the best, like, you look forward to that, but you also know, like, on the inside, he's good, but he's a rookie, and this dude completed 16 passes for almost 300 yards and three touchdowns. That's an embarrassment.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: Don't get me wrong.
While I do like, the fact that they came out and had accountability and said, we didn't show up for this, that's not what we should. Whatever. What does that do for us?
[00:36:45] Speaker C: Nothing.
[00:36:45] Speaker B: We're still sitting at home.
[00:36:47] Speaker C: You can shit in one hand and shit in the other. You got shit in both hands.
[00:36:49] Speaker B: You got so much shit in your hands.
But, yeah, I mean, it does nothing for us. Like, yeah, good for you. And it's a moral victory, I guess. But do moral victories actually win you anything? No.
So I don't know what happened with the secondary here, they were really bad, though. And then the special teams. Riley Patterson didn't really get an opportunity, but he was two for two as extra points, so good job, budy.
[00:37:14] Speaker C: There was a point where it was looking like he was going to kick a field goal and his helmet was off and he was kicking in the net and he looked so scared.
I was like, that poor guy.
[00:37:21] Speaker B: Don't worry, he didn't have to. Next up here, we got the coaching for the Browns and we are going to touch on this here because real quick.
[00:37:28] Speaker C: What, too? Just thinking about this game.
We got the ball back on offense before half.
We nailed it with like a minute and a half left and we just ran out the clock and we accepted.
[00:37:44] Speaker B: We're losing pretty bad.
[00:37:46] Speaker C: What the hell was that?
[00:37:48] Speaker B: That probably goes under coaching, so we'll get into that with, we'll start with Stefanski. Probably going to win coach of the year for the second time this year and he deserves that.
[00:37:58] Speaker C: Again, regular season award.
[00:38:00] Speaker B: Yeah, he deserves that. What he did with this team and all the injuries and adversity this season was remarkable. Again, we had a lot of fun watching it. We had a lot of fun covering it. Very improbable. Nobody expected that. It was awesome. He deserves coach of the year for the regular season. However, we do need to point out that yet again in a big game, he was totally out coached and outclassed.
It made us look ridiculous and this time by a rookie QB and a rookie head coach.
So, I mean, he's probably going to get an extension in the offseason, and that's probably earned, I guess, for as far as what his record is with the team and what he's done with all the adversity and all the injuries and everything. But to further his legacy as a Cleveland Browns head coach, this dude is going to have to start winning some big games and stop letting his team lay eggs at crucial points in the season because it's not just playoffs, either. It seems like a lot of times we get into these big matchups with division rivals or whatever the case may be in the regular season and all of a sudden we lose by 30 points and we're like, well, Baltimore earlier this year. Oops.
Yeah.
Like I said, he's going to get his extension. He needs to step it up. He needs to show us more.
[00:39:12] Speaker C: I mean, you can't lose to games, to Kenny Pickett and be taken seriously in this.
Look, all this is probably true. He's probably going to get an extension. And I know that we've kind of laid off Stefanski this year because of all the adversity.
Here's a couple of things to keep in mind. Stefanski is owing two super handsome, so.
[00:39:35] Speaker B: We can't fire him.
[00:39:36] Speaker C: He's owing two in the playoffs. Prefer was coaching the game that they won.
[00:39:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fair. And that goes with the big games thing that I was saying.
[00:39:46] Speaker C: We talked about this a little bit earlier in your year, too, is like, Stefanski seems to be at his best when things. Circumstances around him are the worst this year. All the injuries, he did a good job.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: 2020, we got some hope and expectations.
[00:40:03] Speaker C: The COVID year when things were weird, there were no fans in the stands. You couldn't practice. Everything was on. Zoom, did a great job.
But all of a sudden, yeah. Expectations, healthy, things are looking good, and all of a sudden, he can't coach his way out of a paper bag.
[00:40:19] Speaker B: I don't know what to do with that.
It's like he didn't have something to rally the team around. He needed something to rally the team around, and he didn't have it.
[00:40:27] Speaker C: Yeah, he can't explain what it.
Look, I know he's not in charge of personnel decisions, but I still have an issue with the, like, he couldn't get along with and make that thing.
[00:40:47] Speaker B: You. You're a bro, so we know you love Baker.
[00:40:51] Speaker C: Well, I'm just. I mean, like, imagine if you had Baker right now on all the draft picks he had.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: If we had Baker, he probably wouldn't be doing what he's doing in Tampa Bay. I think Baker needed to be humbled a little bit to get where he is. I don't think Baker's at the same spot. If he stays in Cleveland, whose fault is that?
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying I don't think Baker's at the same spot if the things that happened in Cleveland didn't happen.
[00:41:14] Speaker C: My point is, just like, I think that that was handled poorly, and I would hate to see more talent come through this team, that it's handled poorly from a guy that's never won a playoff game here and really only seems to be able to get up and at him when everything is going wrong.
[00:41:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's fair.
And he didn't call timeout at the end of the first half.
[00:41:39] Speaker C: What the fuck?
[00:41:40] Speaker B: I think we had all three of them, didn't we?
[00:41:41] Speaker C: I think we did.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: We had one, because I remember in the first half watching, and I was like, we burned another timeout even with one. But you had a minute and a.
[00:41:50] Speaker C: Half with the timeout and you're losing.
[00:41:52] Speaker D: Weren't we like on the five? How deep were we in our.
[00:41:55] Speaker C: Probably, except that they punted and we were at like the 22 or something.
[00:42:00] Speaker B: Either way, I mean, it doesn't matter where we could have been at the one. Like we got Joe Flacco, who could throw the ball a mile and Houston's.
[00:42:06] Speaker C: Getting the ball on a halftime.
[00:42:07] Speaker B: Right. So you got to try and make something happen.
What ended up happening is I think we stopped him coming out of half, but then that's when the pick sixes happened and it didn't matter anyway.
[00:42:18] Speaker C: But even a field goal there before half.
[00:42:20] Speaker B: But imagine how much Joe Flacco could have calmed down if we had some points in the first half. We were a little bit closer.
[00:42:25] Speaker C: Yeah, if you had a field momentum.
Exactly.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: Yeah, but we didn't. Next up, Jim Schwartz. Dude has been phenomenal all season long until this game at the absolute worst possible time imaginable. His defense decided that it just wasn't going to show up literally at all.
One of the few good things that came out of this game is actually because of this, though, the head coaching pursuit of Jim Schwartz is probably over or at least took a big hit. By the way, the defense performed in this playoff game and I'm thinking he'll be back next year.
[00:42:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I think probably best case scenario for. Right. Like, I think we know what we have in him. We feel comfortable about the defense and where they're at for the most part. They were riddled with injuries, too, and now it kind of takes the heat off of like, you see what the Browns did in the playoffs. We probably don't want that guy.
[00:43:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:18] Speaker C: Which is fine with me because I'll keep him.
[00:43:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I hope he's able to do what he did this year with the team next year. And I know it's something we'll talk about, but the depth isn't going to be as we're just not going to have it next year. So at least like we do this year, unless they perform miracles in the offseason that I don't know about.
Next up here, though, Buba Ventron. Special teams didn't get any opportunities, so I guess I don't have any complaints for him. Good job, bubba. He's coming back. He's coming back.
[00:43:45] Speaker C: Yeah. I will say the coverage kick coverage unit still seemed a little suspect to me with Damien Pierce back there, but to your point, it wasn't like there was a ton of returns.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Overall, total yards, Cleveland 324, Houston 356. 1st downs, Cleveland 18, Houston 14. Time of possession? Cleveland 35 26, Houston 24 34. Penalties? Cleveland four for 32, Houston three for 20. And turnovers, Cleveland two, Houston zero.
Obviously, this game was ugly, didn't go our way. Things felt bad throughout.
Overall, what are your guys'closing thoughts on the game?
[00:44:27] Speaker C: It just didn't feel like the game.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: We were supposed to was like, if we would have lost to Baltimore.
[00:44:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:44:34] Speaker B: As much as I would have probably felt worse because it's Baltimore, I'd have been like, yeah, that makes sense, right?
[00:44:39] Speaker C: This didn't feel like, from a talent standpoint, that even with all the injuries, that this was a team that should have beat you that badly. And that's why it hurts so bad, because you had legitimate expectations.
[00:44:51] Speaker B: If nothing else, we should have at least been in the game.
[00:44:54] Speaker C: You were probably the better team on the field, and you got shit beat.
[00:45:01] Speaker B: In every way you could say it. Don't get me afraid of.
[00:45:03] Speaker C: It wasn't even just that. It was also just all the 50 50 balls, all the calls, you didn't get a single thing to go your way. That game felt real bad. It was like a rain cloud was over them all day long.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: Felt real bad.
[00:45:17] Speaker D: We had, like, nice long offensive drives in the first half, and then it was just like, then they scored them one play, and then we were texting each other just like, what the is happening?
[00:45:29] Speaker B: We finally feel like we're getting something going, and then it just turns around real quick.
[00:45:33] Speaker D: I mean, even after that first pick six, I was kind of like, we can still come back from this.
We're moving the.
[00:45:39] Speaker B: And the second one happened, we were like, oh, shit. Well, goddamn, it's over.
No, but Miles Garrett. In other browns news here, Miles Garrett appears to call out the coaches after this loss, which I did not like. Not to pile on Miles Garrett here, but he said, quote, we got beat. We were out coached, undermanned, and outgunned. And so I have a couple of things to say about this. It's never good calling out your coaches, and it seems like it's becoming like an end of the season. Like, we lost in the playoffs. I'm mad. I'm going to call out my coaches thing for Miles Garrett because he did it last year, too.
[00:46:14] Speaker C: Maybe there's something to that, though. Maybe Clowney said the same thing. He's had a career here in Baltimore.
[00:46:19] Speaker B: Yeah, there you.
So the other two things that he said that were undermanned and outgunned, and I really kind of took issue with this because we've been undermanned and outgunned all season, and we've won all season long.
[00:46:31] Speaker C: You've been a top defense all year long like that.
[00:46:33] Speaker B: You've dominated all season long. Don't start like, oh, well, we didn't have the personnel. What are you talking about?
[00:46:40] Speaker C: I mean, who was really missing from that unit that wasn't there the last five weeks? The offense. Amari was banged up. Elijah Moore was banged up, Cedric was banged.
Like, you have. Both your tackles still were mean. Miles played. Zadarius played. Dalvin played.
Your secondary. I mean, I don't even know you were missing anybody. Emerson played. Ward played.
[00:47:06] Speaker B: Delpit didn't end up.
[00:47:07] Speaker C: Delpa didn't play.
[00:47:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that was it.
[00:47:09] Speaker C: But he hadn't played for the last few weeks because he had the grin.
[00:47:12] Speaker B: Just don't. I just don't understand where this whole thing came from because, first of all, let's start with out coached. You have the probable coach of the year, and our defense was number one all season. Like, what do you mean, out coached?
Do I think that Kevin Stefanski was out coached in this game? Absolutely. And I will admit that. But overall, don't put it on your coaches because your coaches have put you in a position to win all season long. Two undermanned and outgunned is just ridiculous. When you've still been dominant. It's just ridiculous. The whole defense should have been better in this.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: They had plenty of talent on the field.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And like you said, even with all the injuries, they were probably the better team and they just didn't show up.
[00:47:54] Speaker C: I mean, if you just went person by person and you said, look at the Browns defense versus the Texans defense.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: I'll take the Browns.
[00:48:00] Speaker C: I'll take the Browns every time. Even with the injuries.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So I just didn't like this, and I hope it's not becoming a trend.
But like I said, he said it last year. Last year was Joe woods. This year, apparently it's hope. He needs to not point the finger and just say, hey, I had three tackles and no sacks and no QB hurts.
[00:48:23] Speaker C: He could have just stopped after we got beat.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:25] Speaker C: I mean, that's the end of this story, right?
[00:48:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:27] Speaker C: That's all it was in our day. We didn't play as well as we should have.
[00:48:31] Speaker B: And I feel like that shows teams have bad days.
[00:48:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: Professional teams even have bad days. The number one defense in the NFL has bad days, and this was a bad day, and it was the worst time to have a bad day, but it was a bad day.
[00:48:47] Speaker C: To be honest, this super wild card weekend was full of teams that were some teams that had expectations, that had really bad games.
[00:48:54] Speaker B: Right? So I don't just. I didn't like that whole comment. But next up here, it's been reported that as of today, offensive coordinator Scott Van Pelt has been fired. Running back coach Stump Mitchell was also fired, and this one was super unpopular with the players. According to all the reports, they were not happy about this. And as far as Stump Mitchell goes, I will say outside of Nick Chubb, though, let's be honest, the other running backs didn't do anything. Is that his fault? I don't know. I don't know.
[00:49:22] Speaker C: Stump's been there for a while and he's had Nick Chubb and Kareem for a. Had a. You had kind of a good one two.
[00:49:29] Speaker B: How good Nick Chubb is, though? Does he look like a good running backs coach because Nick Chubb's so good?
[00:49:35] Speaker C: Probably. I mean, I think it's really interesting. Okay, so we've kind of washed away the wild card game. Now we're starting to talk about offseason.
[00:49:42] Speaker B: We're going to come back to the wild card game here in a second.
[00:49:46] Speaker C: I think it's really interesting that these were, the moves were made already because Scotty and Pell, for the most part, was an offensive coordinator and title only.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: Well, and so let's go ahead and talk about that for just a second. Does this mean that we're finally going to pivot and Kevin Stefanski is giving up play calling? Because that's been the gripe his entire tenure with the Browns. He's still calling plays.
[00:50:08] Speaker C: And I've said that, but at the time that I was calling for Kevin to give up play calling, it was because our defense was not playing up to par.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: Fair.
[00:50:16] Speaker C: I do feel like the defense is playing way better under Jim Schwartz than it ever has since defense. He's been the.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: Saying, stay occupied with the offense and don't mess with the defense.
[00:50:29] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I kind of don't want Kevin's and nose in the defense at this point. But it's interesting of note either way because do they bring in somebody else that's a puppet like Van Pelt? Well, because do they bring in a real offensive coordinator and say, we want this person to have more of a say.
[00:50:43] Speaker B: Right. And you nailed it with the puppet comment because Kevin Stefanski handpicked Scott van Pelt to be his offensive coordinator. And I think that was the reason is because he's like, hey, Scott, you're OC. But I'm going to call the plays and everything's going to run through me.
[00:50:56] Speaker C: But around the league, Kevin still has a really good reputation as a play caller. I mean, everybody that is an offensive minded coach or analyst has said Kevin is a brilliant play caller.
[00:51:07] Speaker B: We're going to run a couple end arounds. We're going to run some screens.
[00:51:12] Speaker C: I mean, I agree with you. I'm just saying what his reputation is around the league. So it's almost hard for me to imagine that our front office, now of all times after they made the playoffs, is going to be like, with four different quarterbacks, is going to be like, well, if you're an offensive coordinator, that was maybe the difference here.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Well, I think one of the weirdest things of this whole thing, I figured the other person that got let go, by the way, we won't leave him out, tight end coach TC McCartney. He wasn't fired, he just won't be retained. His contract was up. But anyways, I find it funny that with these reports, what came out was they said, well, Kevin decided that he wanted to go in another like, I thought this would have been like an Andrew Berry directive where he was like, listen, you gotta do something. You gotta shake this thing up and whatever. But all the reports are that it was Kevin Stefanski's decision alone. And he was like, hey, we got to change things.
[00:52:03] Speaker C: Well, we'll never know what the truth is to those politics anyway, even if it was a very thing that said, hey, something's got to happen to make it look like we're taking immediate action, the correct ship.
But either way, these just seemed like two weird, two weird releases.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: I mean, three, even the tight ends coach had one of the best years.
[00:52:25] Speaker C: Of his career and was on fire for the last five weeks.
[00:52:28] Speaker B: Don't say he was on fire.
[00:52:32] Speaker C: Shit, I'm so canceled.
[00:52:35] Speaker B: But anyways, yeah, I guess the only good thing to come out of all this is being reported that Deuce Daley will be interviewing for the running backs coach job.
[00:52:48] Speaker C: Here's the thing, too.
We have a whole offseason to talk about this, but sure, Nick Chubb's cap number is $16 million.
[00:52:56] Speaker B: That's already become a hot button. Topic is that he's going to rework his deal and he's going to have to take less money.
[00:53:02] Speaker C: I mean, bullshit.
[00:53:05] Speaker B: Bone says absolutely not.
[00:53:06] Speaker C: I mean, if he comes back and he's the best player on the field again, it's absolute bullshit, right?
[00:53:10] Speaker D: I just feel like you look at Nick Chubb and you're like, you know what? We want you to take less money. And then he looks over at Deshaun, and then he looks back at. I mean, can you imagine?
[00:53:20] Speaker B: There's layers to this, though, right? Because on the surface, bones. Absolutely correct. Like, no question about it. He's absolutely correct. But then you look at, like, this past year and they converted a big chunk of Deshaun's to a bonus or whatever.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: I paid the money, though, right?
[00:53:36] Speaker B: I mean, I agree, but it doesn't hit your salary cap, so then you're able to pay other. So they do that again.
[00:53:40] Speaker C: But I think to the bones point, which is like, I'm looking at the Sean going, you're not even a good guy.
[00:53:46] Speaker D: Right?
I got hurt, but he also got hurt.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know.
[00:53:52] Speaker D: This is the 23 counts of sexual battery.
[00:53:57] Speaker B: Bone. We weren't going to go there.
[00:53:58] Speaker D: Sorry.
I just love Nick Chubb.
[00:54:02] Speaker B: I will die for that, man. Even if it means throwing every other Cleveland Brown under the bus. I will die for Nick Chubb.
[00:54:07] Speaker C: But on a serious note, look, I think, could this spell the end of Nick Chubb in Cleveland?
[00:54:13] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, if they ask him to take less money, it possibly could.
[00:54:16] Speaker C: A move like this where they're going, hey, we saw how to win games this year without Nick Chubb as a bell cow back. We want to bring in a new coach that can do this better.
[00:54:27] Speaker B: What did we say?
If you can find the clip, you don't have to find it, but if you can find the clip, what did we say when Nick Chubb went down? The worst case scenario this year is the browns go on a run and make the playoffs.
[00:54:38] Speaker C: Yeah, they win games without Nick Chubb because you've proven. And so maybe that's why you bring in new leadership in your running back room to say, okay, we really build young by committee and see what that looks like. And stunt Mitchell's not the guy. Stunt Mitchell's maybe the guy to coach Nick Chubb because he's used to coaching a bell cow back and we know how that looks.
[00:54:55] Speaker B: But, man, now I'm starting to get depressed that the offseason is here. Look what you've done to me.
[00:54:59] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't like this thought process.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: This is definitely something we're going to revisit.
[00:55:04] Speaker C: Just something to think. Because when I saw those names, that was the first thing that I thought was that was weird that they fired stump because he had a pretty good reputation. And the running game up until this year has been great under Stefanski with stump there and then the van Pelt thing is also weird. It's strange. I can't imagine you fire Van Pelt and go back to another puppet. No, but I also can't imagine the front of the injured bear was like, all right, you're done calling plays.
[00:55:32] Speaker D: The only thing I can think of with the offensive coordinators are going to bring in somebody close to Deshaun or somebody who's worked with them before or something, take that position because they didn't get well.
[00:55:42] Speaker B: Because we know Stefanski's offense doesn't quite mesh well with Deshaun. Right. Like, he's got a West coast offense. It's all about timing. And Deshaun likes to hold the ball and survey the field.
[00:55:54] Speaker C: I mean, his offense looked great under Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco can do a pocket passer that was tall and strong.
[00:56:00] Speaker B: Well, that's what I'm saying. Joe Flacco, that's his game, though, is he's very good at timing routes and throwing it into a window, whereas Deshaun's not that type of quarterback.
[00:56:07] Speaker C: No, Deshaun's a. I'm going to run around, make time, let my receivers create separation and make big plays.
[00:56:13] Speaker B: Right. So I'm not saying one of them is better than the other, but Kevin Stefanski's coaching style fit Joe Flacco better. Is he going to bring in to your guys'point somebody that's not going to be a puppet, that's actually going to be more involved with the offense, that can coach Deshaun Watson and say, I can work with this style of play and that's what the route they go.
I don't know the mean. It's just a question.
[00:56:37] Speaker C: Well, time's going to tell, right? Because they're going to hire somebody.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: The bigger discussion, which we'll continue to have all offseason, is the Nick Chubb conversation.
We all know that, for better or worse, I'm sorry, Deshaun Watson is going to be our quarterback.
[00:56:52] Speaker C: Here's the thing, and I want to put a bow on it after this. It's very possible Nick Chubb comes back and is less effective after this injury.
[00:57:00] Speaker B: Yeah, he's going to be the argument right now.
[00:57:03] Speaker C: They're older, he's coming off a signal.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: That's going to be the argument for the team to restructure his contract, to say, you got to take less money because there's a lot of what ifs with you.
[00:57:11] Speaker C: I know that Nick Chubb is going to put the work in, in the offseason and he's just going to be grinding, grinding, grinding. To be as strong as he ever has been. But it's just the reality of getting older in the NFL.
[00:57:21] Speaker B: I will say this, especially that position. I will say this. I know we keep going with it, and we were supposed to wrap it up, but if the Browns actually ask him to take less money, the Browns look like big dicks.
[00:57:33] Speaker C: Little dicks, man.
[00:57:35] Speaker B: They just look like the biggest dicks in the world. Like, you guys are assholes. This guy had his leg turned 90 degrees sideways for you guys, has done everything right for this city, is literally the best role model you could possibly think of, and you guys go and ask him to do that.
[00:57:51] Speaker C: I mean, maybe reworking his contract looks a little like Deshaun's, where you convert some of it to a bonus. He's still getting paid and he keeps his cap.
I just.
It's all the pieces around it. What makes me suspect.
[00:58:04] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fair. And that'll take us to the burning river sportscast dog of the weekend.
Doesn't matter, man. You got to play tough people in the national football League.
[00:58:28] Speaker C: You got to be ready, and we.
[00:58:29] Speaker B: Got to be the dogs that we.
[00:58:31] Speaker C: Are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack.
[00:58:34] Speaker B: And don't stop until we're in that locker room.
I felt bad, like, multiple times.
[00:58:46] Speaker C: It's one of those things.
[00:58:54] Speaker B: All right, so this week's burning river sportscast dog of the week is Jeremiah Wusa Koramoa. Nine tackles. Jeremiah Wusa Koramoa. J okay had nine tackles, eight solo tackles, four tackles for loss. On a day when most of the defense decided to stay home. J-O-K was one of the only guys that showed up. Dude was everywhere and still making plays in the fourth quarter when the game was well out of hand. I thought it was a fantastic cap to a career season for J-O-K. Obviously, you want the outcome of the game to be different, but he played his ass off, and he finished the season fourth in the NFL in tackles for loss this year with 20. He's a rising star, and I'm just really glad he's on the Cleveland Browns as far as somebody to be excited about next season. J-O-K is one of those guys.
[00:59:39] Speaker C: Yeah. I think what's really interesting about a guy like J-O-K is he's kind of leading the charge in changing that position. For years, we saw the prototypical linebackers, inside linebackers, as your stout. You're six two or six 3245, 260 pounds. Big guys that can stop the run shit.
[00:59:56] Speaker B: J-O-K is like a glorified strong safety.
[00:59:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, he's away on a light side. He's a little bit longer.
He can play coverage, which in today's day and age is invaluable because there's so much passing in the league.
[01:00:09] Speaker B: Dude can run offensive line and what they're doing in the run game, but.
[01:00:14] Speaker C: He'S also plenty strong and he's got great instincts and just absolutely will blow up a play in the backfield.
[01:00:20] Speaker B: There was twice in this game where it seemed like he was in the backfield before the play even started, and I was like, shooting the gap.
[01:00:29] Speaker D: Even announcers were like, yeah, he just beat that lineman.
[01:00:31] Speaker B: It reminded me of Troy Palomalo is who it reminded me of. I was like, that's a middle linebacker that just came in here. I was even like you say Troy.
[01:00:40] Speaker D: Palamalo, even when he rushes the know he's coming around the edge. It is similar to.
[01:00:46] Speaker B: Know. We say he's on the light side for a middle linebacker, but he's way bigger than Troy Palomalu was. He's coming at you at the same type of speed and scary.
[01:00:55] Speaker C: His speed and his length. His agility is incredible, but his strength, too, to just because it's not like he's just going back there and making ankle tackles. I mean, he's blowing up running backs that are 230 pounds at full speed and taking big quarterbacks down to the ground. This guy is an absolute stud.
I was worried about him at first when we picked him up because of his size, but he's proved me wrong every step of the way and is an absolute asset to this team. And to your point, on this day, when nobody else showed up, this was the only guy that was out there flexing on after every play, going, doing everything he could to keep this defense in the game.
[01:01:36] Speaker B: Can't do it alone, though.
[01:01:37] Speaker C: Couldn't do it alone.
[01:01:39] Speaker B: I will say this, too, as far as just appreciation for JLK, I love that he wears the native african clothes to each gate. I just find it so cool when they all kind of do their own thing.
[01:01:51] Speaker C: It's different, that's for sure.
[01:01:56] Speaker B: He's got a lot of different.
[01:01:57] Speaker C: He has a lot of styles.
[01:01:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:01:58] Speaker C: Like this. You wear those at home.
[01:02:02] Speaker B: I don't know. He could.
[01:02:03] Speaker C: I mean, more power to him.
[01:02:05] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just fun to see that he's bringing some of that culture to the team and to the rest of us here.
[01:02:11] Speaker C: Love, J-O-K.
[01:02:12] Speaker B: But with that, let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, so let's recap. Super wild card weekend. I hate that they call it super wild card weekend, by the way. That just started this year, I think.
But anyways, let's start with the AFC.
Miami versus Kansas City.
Miami went in there. I don't know if you guys watched all the games or even part of all the games, but Miami went in there. They came out on the field early. They're like, cold. Doesn't bother us. Well, then they proceeded to get shit on, 26 to seven.
It was bad.
[01:03:10] Speaker C: Yeah. So this was the only thing kind of made me feel a little bit better. Not this game in particular, but just the fact that other good, there was.
[01:03:16] Speaker B: Blowouts left and right.
Some very good teams had bad days.
[01:03:20] Speaker C: This Miami team, and I know we've said that they've had trouble beating good teams during this season, but let's not forget this team put up 70 once this year, like 70 points in a season. I don't care who you are, if you put up 70 points, your team is special.
And they just got absolute boat race in Kansas City in the cold. It was bad. Not good at all. I mean, to the point where people.
[01:03:40] Speaker B: Are like, boat racing, not where you want to be when it's cold.
[01:03:42] Speaker C: Like, no, they were dog sledding to the point that, where there's like legitimate questions now all of a sudden about like, is tua the quarterback of the team?
[01:03:52] Speaker B: I saw that extension. What's his name?
[01:03:55] Speaker D: He's a pass leader.
[01:03:56] Speaker B: Head coach Mike McDaniels had to come out and be like, yeah, tua's our guy going forward.
[01:04:01] Speaker C: Yeah, like people.
[01:04:02] Speaker D: He led the league in passing, right?
[01:04:03] Speaker B: He was close.
[01:04:05] Speaker D: I thought he was number, the number one guy.
[01:04:09] Speaker C: Either way, they did have most yards.
[01:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. They got their asses beat.
[01:04:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:04:15] Speaker B: And it was bad.
I don't think there was really any point in this after Kansas City got on the board that it was close.
[01:04:22] Speaker C: I will say this, though, a lot of this game in particular, this was the Peacock game.
And so I watched a lot of this retroactively, and I watched just kind of the scores that went along because I refused to buy every streaming service known to man. And I know you can do trials and your first month free and all this bullshit, but I was so hoping that this thing was going to be a dud for them because I'm just so sick of it. At least like Amazon, everybody has Amazon for shopping anyway, so if you wanted to give me a football game on Thursday nights, great. But I'm just tired of having.
[01:04:58] Speaker B: 50% of America has Amazon prime.
[01:04:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm tired of having to have every app to watch my sports.
[01:05:06] Speaker B: Here's my only rebuttal to you, and this is what I told some people that were complaining to me about the. Oh, well, it's only on Peacock. I have to. Okay, well, peacock for a month is like 1499 or whatever it is. I don't even think it's that. I think it's like 999 or something that still beats your $230 a month that it is for cable, not when.
[01:05:23] Speaker C: I have 18 services that are all.
[01:05:25] Speaker B: Whose fault is that?
[01:05:26] Speaker C: Well, everybody that's playing games on all these different streaming.
[01:05:30] Speaker B: There's, there's. So you get whatever your normal service is for all of your games. And then if you have Amazon prime, that's for your Thursday game, and then the only other one you needed was Peacock. There's no other. It's three for now. For now.
[01:05:44] Speaker C: But I also need Apple TV to watch my baseball. How much do you pay for spectrum?
[01:05:49] Speaker B: I'm calling Spectrum out right now. How much you pay for. How much you pay for spectrum? How much you pay for spectrum?
[01:05:57] Speaker C: I think if you look at it, like, side by side, I'm paying as much for my streaming services as I am for spectrum.
[01:06:03] Speaker B: So you didn't answer my question. How much do you pay for spectrum?
[01:06:06] Speaker C: All in like 280 a month.
[01:06:10] Speaker B: 280.
[01:06:12] Speaker C: That's also my Internet and whatever bundle phone stuff that they give me.
[01:06:16] Speaker B: That's fine. So we go with my Internet is $80 a month.
YouTube tv is 65. Those are my two big ones. Right?
And that gets me all of the games, minus the Peacock game. Amazon prime, like, just about everybody else I have through somebody else. And even if I don't, that's a yearly thing. So if you go by whatever it is, I don't know what Amazon prime costs because I don't pay for it.
[01:06:42] Speaker D: I think it's like 140.
[01:06:43] Speaker B: I just have access through somebody else, and that's how most people do. So that, to me, is a wash, because most people have Amazon prime through somebody else.
And then you add in Peacock, and I'm still at way less than $280 a month.
[01:06:54] Speaker C: All right, but here's my problem, and this is what my point was ultimately, is that peacock, this was a huge success for.
It was their number one streamed episode of anything all year long.
[01:07:09] Speaker B: NFL, of course.
[01:07:11] Speaker C: But that's the thing.
[01:07:12] Speaker B: All of a sudden now, everybody's going to want to.
[01:07:14] Speaker C: Everybody's going to want to be able to put an NFL game behind a paywall and you're going to have to pay.
[01:07:19] Speaker B: And I will concede on the slippery slope argument that, but at that point I feel like it's going to be just like cable, but at that point I feel like the NFL ends up putting a stop to it because then you limit, and that's one thing the NFL won't do is limit viewership.
[01:07:33] Speaker C: But it didn't. It was the biggest thing they've streamed all year.
[01:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah, because they were the first ones.
[01:07:39] Speaker C: To do mean, like, do we get to a point where the Super bowl is behind a paywall?
[01:07:42] Speaker B: I mean, probably, let's be honest.
[01:07:44] Speaker C: I mean, I hate that.
[01:07:46] Speaker B: I agree with you, but at the same time, I'm just like, if I'm not paying for cable and I'm paying for these and it's, I feel like.
[01:07:53] Speaker C: That'S a stupid NFL ticket through YouTube so I could watch every NFL game. Well, except for the one that's on Peacock. Yeah, screw you.
[01:08:01] Speaker B: Which, like, that's, those are the things that I'm thinking that the NFL will end up correcting in the future is like, well, if you've already paid for NFL ticket, which is the NFL's thing, then you should have access to everything.
[01:08:12] Speaker C: You would think that, but you don't.
[01:08:15] Speaker B: We'll see. I mean, I agree with parts of your argument. I'm just saying, like, right now, before it's gotten out of control, I thought it was much ado about nothing.
[01:08:24] Speaker D: Advertiser revenue, I think is too great for Super bowl to go behind a.
[01:08:28] Speaker B: Wall, maybe not get that revenue and then people are paying the subscription services.
[01:08:34] Speaker C: I mean, what if it's like a UFC event and it's like $85 or $100? Now I'm pissed off times 120,000,000 viewers. What's that command? 60 million households.
[01:08:45] Speaker B: Even if you drop viewership by 10%, I agree with that part of it, you're still making a shit ton of money.
[01:08:51] Speaker C: Yeah, but think about how much you could do it if you charge $100 for it.
[01:08:55] Speaker B: That's my point. If you charge for it and you drop 10%, you're still making a ton.
[01:08:59] Speaker C: Yeah, you're making more money than your 10% viewership drop, that's for sure. Imagine all the bars and stuff that have all those stupid rules where they got to pay it. Listen, all that.
[01:09:07] Speaker B: Listen, we're going to save this because we have a lot to get to it around the NFL. The next match up here was Pittsburgh versus Buffalo. The Bills won this one easily 30, 117 it's always good to watch the Steelers lose. But what I will say is, I found it kind of Od. And we're all Browns fans here. We love the Browns. We hate the Steelers, obviously, but Browns fans, what are you doing? Like rubbing it in the Steelers face that they lost 30 117. Talking about how you guys got blown out. At least we're not the Steelers.
They scored more points than us and.
[01:09:36] Speaker C: They gave up less the day after we got throttled.
[01:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah, like we lost 45 to 14. Their game was close in comparison.
Just know when to keep your mouth shut.
[01:09:48] Speaker C: And against a team that was far.
[01:09:50] Speaker B: Better than the one that we played. Yeah, I hate the Steelers, too. We all do. We hate the Steelers. But sometimes we as fans, even with that rivalry, need to know when we're just being ignorant.
[01:10:05] Speaker C: I was trying to explain to a small child this weekend about why we hate Pittsburgh.
[01:10:08] Speaker B: They don't understand.
[01:10:09] Speaker C: They don't understand. And I was like, the game was on and I was like, do you see that guy? Right? Like there was a clip of the Steelers fan just like laying in the snow on the stands in Buffalo and I was like, that's why that guy's. Look how dumb he looks. He's just dumb.
[01:10:25] Speaker B: He doesn't get it. The innocence of children. They don't understand hating people for no reason.
But next up, obviously, Cleveland versus Houston. We know how that went. We don't need any more discussion on that one. So we'll take things over to the NFC side. Green Bay came out and destroyed Dallas. In Dallas, they won that 148 to 32. And your love affair is over, Kenny.
[01:10:48] Speaker C: Love affairs over.
[01:10:49] Speaker B: I know you like Dallas coming to this. You thought they were Super bowl bound and going to win it all, and.
[01:10:54] Speaker C: Green Bay put a stop to that. And this game was not as close as 48 42. This game was also.
[01:10:59] Speaker B: I think there was more than one garbage touchdown scored by Dallas, wasn't there?
[01:11:02] Speaker C: Yeah, this game was. I mean, they put some points up towards the end of this game, but this game was an absolute shit show. For know Dallas is another one. It's kind of like, where do you go from know? They're talking about whether Mike McCarthy is the guy down there.
[01:11:17] Speaker B: I think he's going to be gone.
I think he's going to be gone.
[01:11:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it's tough to like, how do you part with the guy?
[01:11:23] Speaker B: We'll get to Bill Belichick here in a second, but there's people talking about Bill Belichick and possibly going down to Dallas and I'm like, that sounds don't him and Jerry Jones clashing for power. I don't see it because Jerry Jones is the GM down.
[01:11:38] Speaker C: So Jerry Jones is also a million years old. Might just be ready to maybe hand it over to a guy.
[01:11:44] Speaker B: Like, hand it over to another guy that's a million years old.
[01:11:47] Speaker C: You're a million years less than I am.
[01:11:50] Speaker B: But yeah. So that game was not even entertaining. Green Bay just shit on him. I like the meme that came out of the two kids sitting in the stands and the little kid Green Bay fan is cheering. Speaking of little kids not being able to hate people for no reason, and the little kid Dallas fan sitting right next to him was crying.
[01:12:10] Speaker C: What I think is interesting is Green Bay and Houston were the two teams that I was kind of coming into this playoffs.
[01:12:16] Speaker B: I ain't worried about them.
[01:12:17] Speaker C: These two teams probably aren't going to do anything. And they were both convinced winners of the weekend.
[01:12:22] Speaker B: Probably the most interesting game of the week, the LA Rams versus Detroit Lions. That game was close. The Lions pulled this one out 24 to 23. Your boy, the superior quarterback, Jared Goff, got the win in this one, and Matt Stafford was pretty sassy in his post game press conference. I don't know if you saw, they asked him, they said, are you happy for the city? Are you happy that they got to win? And he said, I'm happy for the players. Yeah, pretty pointed.
[01:12:54] Speaker C: There's a lot of emotion there.
[01:12:56] Speaker B: Well, the weird part was he came into the game kind of with like, yeah, I know, I'm the bad guy. I left town, whatever, and he just was like, yeah, I accept it. But then after the game, he was like, I hate these fans.
Really, you both.
[01:13:09] Speaker C: It's an emotional time, for sure. They did just lose, and they just lost the playoff game.
But hey, good on know. I think we're all looking forward.
[01:13:19] Speaker B: Congratulations, dad. First time my dad has seen a playoff win in quite some time.
[01:13:24] Speaker C: Yeah, I think we're all looking forward to Detroit making some kind of run here just because they haven't.
[01:13:28] Speaker B: Super Bowl, Super Lions. That'd be cool or something.
And then next up, Philadelphia versus Tampa Bay. I know you're going to have fun talking about this one because your boy Baker Mayfield went in and had a very good game. I think he. 300 plus yards, three touchdowns, I believe, no interceptions. And the Buccaneers won 32 to nine to bounce the Philadelphia Eagles, who Kenny's been telling us since like midseason, that they've got a lot going on in their locker room and nobody wanted to listen because they kept winning games. But Kenny's been telling everybody. He's been saying there's something going on in that locker room.
[01:14:01] Speaker C: Yeah, they've got some serious issues there. I mean, Siriani is on the hot seat now. All of a mean. This is a guy that's just a couple years removed from a Super Bowl.
[01:14:10] Speaker B: I mean, all the players had to come out and be like, no, we want Nick Sirianni to stay.
[01:14:13] Speaker C: Jalen Hurst just got paid in the offseason, as much money as Philadelphia has. Like, they gave him everything they had.
[01:14:19] Speaker B: Who was goddard or whatever their tight end was over there, just giving him the business on the sideline.
He just sat there. He was just kind of like. It was a weird look because usually in those things, both players are heated and kind of very competitive, and they want to argue their side of what happened. Jalen Hurst just sat there and kind of smiled at him. And it's almost like, know. I don't actually know what's going on there, but to me, what it looked like, and I guess this is a lot reading into it, especially since I'm not a fan of the Eagles and I don't really know what's happening, but I was just like, that dude's like, I just got paid, so I don't really care what you're bitching about.
They pay me all the money for.
[01:15:00] Speaker C: I'm going to fly home in my private jet with a hot tub in it.
[01:15:04] Speaker B: Right? And you stay there flying peon, flying.
[01:15:08] Speaker C: With spirit with your door.
So, yeah, look, Philly is kind of a mess. Been hearing rumors all season long. Came to fruition in this playoff game.
To the contrary, I'm not looking forward to talking about this because here's my thing. The more Baker plays well in these playoffs, and the more Baker plays well and has a good career outside of Cleveland, the worse we.
I look.
I hope Baker does well and has a great fine. Like, good for him, but he's not a Cleveland Brown anymore, and I think it makes this front office look awful silly when you have a guy that we were like, we can't wait to get rid of this guy because we just can't win with this guy. And he's out there leading a team that was expected to win four games this year because Tom Brady left them in cap hell with $80 million in dead money, and they didn't think they could do anything.
And then they win in their division, and all of a sudden, you knock off a team that was a top seed or was expected to be a top seed, and was in the Super Bowl a year ago and Baker played his ass off. Three touchdowns, no picks. He had a couple of balls to Mike Evans in that game that were absolute dimes that Mike Evans inexplicably dropped. I've never seen Mike Evans just drop balls before. He dropped at least three. Two of them were sure touchdowns where he had his defensive back. Like Baker could have thrown for 500 yards in this game if he caught those two balls because they were each 70 yard dimes.
And so look, the better that he keeps playing. I just think it's like why couldn't you make that work here? Would you rather have the draft picks, the draft capital, not be in a cap situation that you're in and be able to keep guys like. It wouldn't be a question if you're keeping guys like Nick Chubb going into the season and the guy clearly can win. He was winning in LA with Sean McVeigh after a day. And King Macken is winning ten games here in Tampa Bay and is playing really well through for 4000 yards this year, 28 touchdowns.
How many quarterbacks have we started since Baker left here? Brissette, PJ Walker? Deshaun? Five this year.
It's almost like this Baker curse hanging overhead and you look at the guys that have won playoff games with multiple teams. It's a real short list. It's guys like Bret Favre.
I mean, screw, I can't even think of the other ones, right? Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Yeah, like that's kind of the list. And Baker Mayfield's on that list.
[01:17:40] Speaker B: There's Matthew Stafford.
[01:17:41] Speaker C: There's a reason he was a first round, the reason he was a first round draft pick and we couldn't figure out how to make it work here and that's just disappointing.
[01:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I mentioned it earlier in the show and I think just to give my two cent on this and then we'll kind of move on and speed through the rest of this because we spent a long time around the NFL, but I think that, not that it is any better for our front office, but I think for Baker's sake, all of that had to happen for him to be what he is now and again, that doesn't lessen the fact of the Browns front office looking silly, but.
[01:18:19] Speaker C: Baker had success here.
[01:18:21] Speaker B: He also was pretty garbage. So when he was injured.
[01:18:25] Speaker C: Yeah, either way.
[01:18:27] Speaker B: And he had a questionable. I mean, I don't know. It is what it is. I'm just saying I think that he had a lot of growing up to do and I think he did it because some things happened to mean it.
[01:18:38] Speaker C: Seems like he's got a lot of friends still in that locker room. Nick Chubb was a huge fan of Baker. Still a huge fan. And they say these guys in.
[01:18:45] Speaker B: I'm not arguing that has nothing to do with what I just said.
[01:18:50] Speaker C: I'm just saying it's bizarre to me.
When you have talent, you should be able to make talent work, especially when you invest a first round pick in it. Baker Mayfield's got two playoff wins since 1995. The Browns have won fair.
[01:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it is what it is. But the weather this weekend was wacky in all these playoff games. Kansas City game was like, I don't know, negative 27 degrees. And then the Buffalo game, obviously there's snowstorm. And it was the first time in history that the seating policy was done away with for a game due to snow.
[01:19:25] Speaker C: Sit wherever you want.
[01:19:26] Speaker B: They literally let people sit wherever they want because there was so much snow.
[01:19:29] Speaker C: I mean, they had people shoveling out there for $20 an hour all weekend.
[01:19:32] Speaker B: Long and they still couldn't clear.
[01:19:33] Speaker C: And they got to the point where they just said, don't even worry about the seats anymore, just clear the walkways.
[01:19:38] Speaker B: People were sliding down the walkways to know from their seats to where they're going out to the terminals and stuff.
[01:19:45] Speaker C: And there is something to be said about Buffalo scores a touchdown and you see everybody throwing snow in the air. That was cool. It's neat. When you talk about dome versus. Do you want open air in the playoffs and all the stuff.
It's silly. We don't want a dome because we wouldn't be able to throw snow in the air. But where else do you see it? A little lambo, maybe? I mean, like in Kansas City. There's just not that many places where something like that happens. And it was a really cool thing to watch.
[01:20:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. But I also want a retractable roof here. That's where I'm going with. But anyways, the best part about this, it's going to happen again this weekend.
[01:20:25] Speaker C: Yes. They're calling for up to 4ft of leg effect snow this weekend. So they said if it misses they might get one to 3ft. But there's potential to.
[01:20:36] Speaker B: Basically, there's going to be a lot of snow.
[01:20:37] Speaker C: That's what we know going to be some more snow. I think what will be interesting to see is does this game get delayed again?
[01:20:44] Speaker B: And that's my argument for all these teams are going to go to, eventually going to go to some sort of roof, whether it's retractable or not, they're going to go to some sort of roof. Because as we've gone on, the NFL uses the excuse of, well, it's not safe for the fans, right? Which is probably not all an excuse. There's probably some truth to that. There's probably a lot of truth to that. But at the same time, if we're just going to postpone every game where there's like, what's the point of being in open air then?
[01:21:09] Speaker C: Well, and if you're insane, the game is not safe for fans. It's really not safe for players either.
[01:21:13] Speaker B: True.
[01:21:15] Speaker C: We don't want people to be outside the players that we pay. It's okay if the weather is not good enough for people to go to it.
It's hard to.
[01:21:24] Speaker B: So I do think that employees go out there. How they've handled these games spells the end of open air stadiums.
Maybe not in the near future, but in the future, long term future, for sure.
So kind of speed through the rest of these around the NFL here. Tyler Higby tore his ACL in the super wild card weekend.
Or more accurately, they tore his ACL.
[01:21:45] Speaker C: Just straight up snapped it.
[01:21:47] Speaker B: That one was hard to watch. It was rough. He probably won't be back next year.
[01:21:52] Speaker C: No, he will not be ready by the start of the season. But this was just another check mark in a long line of NFL policy against head injuries and a defensive back that was forced to go on a bigger man.
[01:22:07] Speaker B: So many people are calling it a dirty hit.
[01:22:09] Speaker C: Like, it's not dirty at all.
[01:22:10] Speaker B: It's just a hit.
[01:22:10] Speaker C: It's the only hit you can make on the guy like that. If you hit him in his chest now, you get flagged for, you know.
[01:22:16] Speaker B: Where I could see this going? Because the intentional roughness, I've heard all this talk about, like a strike zone, right?
Where you have, like, you got a hit between tackling area, neck and knees or whatever it is, or mid thigh.
[01:22:30] Speaker C: Or whatever it is, because neck is too close to your head.
[01:22:32] Speaker B: All right, so shoulders and mid thigh nipples. But again, if you make this, how long before they start saying, well, now the runner can't lower his shoulder because you've got 40 pounds on the DB that's trying to tackle you?
[01:22:43] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I mean, Tyler Higby is a tight end. It's a big dude.
[01:22:46] Speaker B: It's the only way they could have tackled it.
[01:22:48] Speaker C: If you're 180 pounds and you try and tackle a guy that weighs 260 in a sternum, ain't happening. You just bounce and all of them.
[01:22:55] Speaker B: You are for sure getting injured.
[01:22:57] Speaker C: You look silly.
[01:22:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:22:58] Speaker D: You're getting hurt.
[01:22:59] Speaker C: You're making ESPN.
[01:23:00] Speaker B: Well, that's my point. So how long before they outlaw lowering your shoulder as a runner?
[01:23:03] Speaker C: You're making ESPN is not top ten.
[01:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah. But anyways, next up here, Caleb Williams officially declares for the draft, and then he very soon after that, decides to like a tweet that says the bears should not draft him. Number one.
[01:23:16] Speaker C: He wants to know part of Chicago, and I don't blame him.
[01:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah, nobody should. Jason Kelsey retires after 13 years in the NFL. Well, kind of. He said today that he'll make an announcement about his future when the time is right. However, he did tell all of his teammates that he was retiring. That leaked, and he kind of mentioned it on their podcast as well.
[01:23:38] Speaker C: This was ABC. CBS.
[01:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah. It's not official, but it's official. So the wild thing, we talked about this before the show, just off air. But the wildest thing about the Kelsey brothers in general is Jason Kelsey is possibly the best center that's ever played. And I think true. Anybody Pro bowls model pros. He's been a Pro bowl almost every year he's been in the league.
[01:24:01] Speaker C: I think he was injured in his second year with Philadelphia and has started every game since. So he holds the Philadelphia's all time consecutive starts record at 193 games, I think. Wow. So, I mean, in the years where Philly has had four different injuries across their offensive line, he's always the guy that's there to anchor it.
[01:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And so Jason Kelsey, possibly the best center of all time. Travis Kelsey, for sure, the best tight end of all time with his stats. Right? Like, one, it's insane that both these guys come from northeast Ohio. Two, it's insane that they're brothers. Like, how do you get so lucky?
[01:24:39] Speaker C: They played in college together.
[01:24:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Your kids are the best players in the history of the game at their positions.
[01:24:45] Speaker C: I was having this conversation with my wife over the weekend again, because she was saying, well, he's lucky that children swift dates him, and he's probably a lot more famous now. And I was like, this dude was already one of the top five players in the entire NFL. He's on every commercial on tv. He's at a reality tv show. Taylor, I'm sure, still ups his status some, but everybody already knew who he was. Unknown. He's one of the most handsome, most successful NFL players on the planet.
[01:25:11] Speaker B: It ups his status with teenage girls.
[01:25:13] Speaker D: Right.
[01:25:14] Speaker C: The only demographic.
[01:25:15] Speaker B: There's nothing to take away from that. I'm not Bret Favre sitting here who's saying, this is just a money grab for Taylor Swift. Like, Bret Favre. You're kind of an idiot. She has way more money than Travis Kelsey will ever have.
[01:25:27] Speaker C: I mean, her latest tour has to have netted her. She's close to billionaires.
[01:25:31] Speaker B: She's a billionaire. Yeah, like, Travis Kelsey can't even sniff her. Like, she throws it at him and.
[01:25:37] Speaker C: Said, can you imagine just thinking, like, stepping from everything, just like, can you imagine dating a girl like that? Not even Tiller specifically, but just tell me that talented. That everything they touch turns to gold.
[01:25:50] Speaker B: No, it'd be wild.
[01:25:51] Speaker C: And they just. Millions of dollars.
[01:25:53] Speaker B: That's why it was just the most asinine comment by Brefar.
[01:25:57] Speaker C: But how do you even date that? What do you even, like, what do I bring to the table?
[01:26:02] Speaker D: Invite her to the NFL games. She gets to sit in the box.
[01:26:05] Speaker C: I get. I mean, that's maybe how Travis can get away with. But, like, if you're normal too. I'm like, what do you do?
[01:26:11] Speaker B: I'm not sure what to do with.
[01:26:12] Speaker C: My hands right now.
[01:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just wild. But, yeah, I mean, it's crazy that the best center and the best tight end are brothers, came from northeast Ohio, played on the same. All that stuff. It's just insane.
[01:26:24] Speaker C: And now they're dating Taylor Swift.
[01:26:26] Speaker B: Yeah. There you go.
Next up here, Najee Harris says that the Steelers need to have in house changes and need more discipline.
Are they really going to be stupid enough to fire Mike Tomlin? Like, I hope they do. I really hope they do. But Mike Tomlin says he's coming back, so I don't really.
[01:26:41] Speaker C: Yeah, he said he's come back. I think that was in conjunction with a meeting with the Steelers front office. He was kind of given the option.
[01:26:48] Speaker B: How do you fire him after this season? Their team was ass and they were what, ten and seven and made the playoffs. There's no way you fire him. And the only probably, you still managed to make a 30, 117 in a game when you didn't have TJ watt in the playoffs.
[01:27:02] Speaker C: No.
And Mason Rudolph looked terrible. I kept wondering if he was going to pull Mason, but I was like, who do you pull him for?
[01:27:10] Speaker B: I'm glad that most of the Steelers fans have come off Kenny Pickett being the truth mvp.
[01:27:17] Speaker C: I would say Najee Harris needs to just go because he's ass.
[01:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah. After these comments, I was like, I would cut him tomorrow. Yeah, but that's just me.
Coaching searches, Bill Belichick, interviews with the Falcons and so does Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh also interviewed with the Chargers. So let's start with Bill Belichick. How do you think the fit is with the Falcons?
[01:27:40] Speaker C: Stay with me for a second.
[01:27:42] Speaker B: Okay. She's going to take us on a ride. Let's go.
[01:27:44] Speaker C: Kevin Stefanski gets fired. Bill Belichick gets hired by the Browns. It comes full circle, baby.
[01:27:49] Speaker B: I don't think it's going to get. We just talked about Kevin Stefanski is probably going coach of the year. Like, this is not the year they're going to fire him. If it would have been after last year, I probably would have been with you.
[01:27:59] Speaker C: How many opportunities do you have to hire Bill Belichick in your life?
[01:28:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but then we did it once.
[01:28:04] Speaker C: And screwed up already. But what if you probably fix that mistake.
[01:28:07] Speaker B: We just talked about how old he is. What if he dies next year?
[01:28:09] Speaker C: What if he puts in place a succession plan? He's got kids.
[01:28:13] Speaker B: Maybe his succession plan is Kevin Stefanski.
We come full circle.
[01:28:18] Speaker C: Let Kevin be his.
Look, with the Falcons. Yeah, look, they don't have a quarterback, so it would be strange to me that Bill Belichick, at this point in his career, you would think at this.
[01:28:31] Speaker B: Point in his career he understands the value of a good quarterback. Yeah.
[01:28:34] Speaker C: I mean, this close to the all time wins record and just the fact that, you know, that all the word is on the street is like Bill Belichick is coming back with a vengeance, pissed off and angry and wants to win. I have a hard time believing he's going to go to a Falcons team with no quarterback. They do got Bajon Robinson, they do got Kyle Pittsburgh. They do have Drake, London. That defense probably overperformed this year but needs some more pieces.
So it doesn't feel like the right fit for me. But I don't mean they do have.
[01:29:07] Speaker B: Some good young pieces, but think that to me, I would think that the reason he takes this job is because that's probably the job where you can have full control. Right. You could be GM and coach. True. And that's what he likes somewhere like Dallas. Yeah.
If they do fire Mike McCarthy and to this is all what if scenarios, if they were to bring in Bill Belichick, you got Bill Belichick fighting with Jerry Jones and Jerry Jones takes doubles with GM duties there as well as being the. So like, that's going to be a major power struggle. Whereas the Falcons are like, yeah, go ahead.
[01:29:40] Speaker C: Possible, though that he's looking at that division and saying his weak division, full control in a weak division. If I can get a quarterback here somehow, some way, I'm going to be honest, too.
[01:29:51] Speaker B: Everybody likes to talk about, and I know Bill Belichick eats, breathes, sleeps football, whatever everybody's talking about, he's coming back with a vengeance. This, that and the other thing.
Bill Belichick's coming back so he could hold on long enough to get the wins record. Like as soon as he gets that wins record after that season, he's out.
[01:30:08] Speaker C: I don't know what else you have to play. I mean, what do you say?
[01:30:11] Speaker B: So to your point though, being in a weak division, I think he's like, this is the quickest way that I can get to it and get out of here.
[01:30:16] Speaker C: That's possible.
[01:30:18] Speaker B: So I don't know. That's just me. Over to Jim Harbaugh, though. Well, bone, did you have anything about Belichick? Do you have any input on how he'd fit in Atlanta?
[01:30:29] Speaker D: Well, my thought on him going to a team is he wants to get that wins record. So maybe he takes a step back as far as GM duties and just like, hey, I'm going to be the coach and I want this win record and I'll do my thing so it won't be an issue.
[01:30:43] Speaker B: That's fair. So on to Jim Harbaugh, though. Like I said, he interviewed with the Chargers and the Falcons. So fun story about Jim Harbaugh here.
You know, we're Ohio State fans. We obviously hate that team up north and they're obviously going through. Sure, they just won a national championship, but how long before that gets stripped?
Probably not long. They're under investigation right now. Things are not looking good for them. And here's where all the maize and blue fans up there like to sit here and say, well, they didn't do anything, they're innocent. All this other stuff. Okay, well, just so everybody knows, Jim Harbaugh went in there and said, hey, I would like to restructure my contract. Okay, Jim, what do you want to do? I would like to add into my contract that you guys are not allowed to fire me with. Cause I'll just let that sink in. He wanted to add into his contract that they could not fire him with. Cause they told him no.
Within three days, he interviewed with the Chargers.
[01:31:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:31:45] Speaker B: So innocent. I don't know.
[01:31:50] Speaker C: That whole thing is strange to me.
I do think that the NCAA, because they're just bastards, will probably do something about their wins or vacating their championship, which I will even, regardless of whether it's missing or not, they're just bastards.
[01:32:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I will say vacating wins and championships is kind of stupid to me because everybody knows you still won.
[01:32:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, we all watched them beat Washington.
[01:32:15] Speaker B: That's not a real punishment. The real punishment would be take away all their scholarships. Nobody can come here.
[01:32:21] Speaker C: Yeah, that would kill the whole program.
[01:32:23] Speaker B: That's the point, right?
[01:32:26] Speaker C: Over what? Science stealing?
[01:32:33] Speaker B: Yeah, but this is where it becomes a legitimate integrity of the game thing. Because I know that a lot of people on different levels sign steal, but the way that they went about it, it harkens back to the Houston Astros. And I can't stand the, like, they took it to a level that Belichick's.
[01:32:54] Speaker C: Been accused of the same types of things, videotaping teams practices and walkthroughs.
[01:32:58] Speaker B: Fair.
[01:33:00] Speaker C: It's like, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
[01:33:04] Speaker B: Fair. And I will say, like I said, honestly, I don't care if they're going to vacate the wins or not. That doesn't matter to me. I still know that the team up north won a championship.
[01:33:14] Speaker C: I would prefer that they did, just so we can make fun of Michigan forever.
[01:33:18] Speaker B: Right.
[01:33:19] Speaker C: And they probably will because the NCAA does that sort of thing.
To me, the whole thing is just overblown, though. I think that everybody on some level is cheating.
[01:33:30] Speaker B: Yeah. My whole point is just like all these people that try and act like they didn't do anything, like, no, they did something, they got caught.
[01:33:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:33:37] Speaker B: Jim Harbaugh knows it. And so he's like, I'm out of here.
[01:33:42] Speaker D: I hate to say it, like, they got caught. They went on, won all their games without Harbaugh and then won the championship.
[01:33:49] Speaker C: Regardless, they still beat Ohio State.
[01:33:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So it is what it is. But I just thought it was funny that as soon as they told him, no, you can't write into your contract that we can't fire you with. Cause he said, ok, I'm going to the NFL.
[01:34:03] Speaker C: See ya.
[01:34:04] Speaker B: The timing's good for him, too. The timing seems like I want a national championship. Like, what else?
[01:34:08] Speaker C: What else is he going to do? He's brought that program back into the national spotlight, back to prominence. Certainly Ohio State can't beat him right now, so that's not good.
But yeah, I think these hardballs, they win football games, man. They're good football coaches.
[01:34:25] Speaker B: Did you see what was the score of the national championship game?
Whatever the score was, that's the score that every hardball, Jim, John and their dad all won their first game as head coach by or their first championship scoregami, their first championship as head coach. That's the score. They won it by scoregamy. But anyways, 34 to 13, that was a score.
Next up here, Gerard Mayo is the new coach of the New England Patriots. And I know you said there was something about his contract.
[01:34:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I heard that there was a kicker in his contract when he went back to New England. That should Belichick leave for any reason that he would be promoted essentially automatically to their head coach.
[01:35:04] Speaker B: I mean, talk about. Which is why?
[01:35:05] Speaker C: Because it was really fast.
[01:35:06] Speaker B: It was like meteoric rise as a young and upcoming coach. Dude came out of nowhere like five years ago, and now all of a sudden he's a head coach in the NFL.
[01:35:15] Speaker C: Well, I remember there was talk about him getting a head coaching gig and then he went back to New England. So I think that was maybe the conversation was, okay, well, I want this one.
[01:35:22] Speaker B: That's why I came.
[01:35:23] Speaker C: 70 ish, don't know how long he's going to be around. If you stick around here and do a good job, we'll put this in your contract and make you the next head coach.
[01:35:31] Speaker B: Fair. And then next up here, I don't know if you guys. Did you guys see the conversation between Jay Gruden and rg three on Twitter?
[01:35:41] Speaker C: Just a little bit?
[01:35:41] Speaker B: I didn't see it. This was pretty funny. So I'm going to read the tweets here just because it made me laugh pretty hard.
[01:35:47] Speaker C: And for context, this would be Jay Gruden, former coach, coach of the Washington.
[01:35:53] Speaker B: Commander, Washington football team commanders, Redskins. Yeah.
[01:35:57] Speaker C: When rg three was a player there.
[01:35:59] Speaker B: Yes.
So Jay Gruden was tweeting while watching the Eagles game, and Jalen Hurts was getting absolutely pummeled in that game.
And his tweet, Jay Gruden's tweet was, if I ever put a quarterback through what Philly is putting jalen through, I apologize. Pick up a blitz, rg three. If you have the picture, you can throw up here. If not, no problems there.
[01:36:22] Speaker C: But rg three, his leg and stamped in the three.
[01:36:24] Speaker B: No, it was a picture of him looking into the camera with his glasses pulled down and he said, say what?
And Jay Gruden came back at him and said, you weren't prepared. Robert, question mark. To which rg three sent another picture of him in his bucket hat, giving him the look like, you serious, bro? And he said, you told me you didn't know how to coach a QB who could throw and run like me. So looks like you weren't prepared, Jay.
[01:36:50] Speaker C: What does that even mean you weren't prepared. They busted his leg.
How can you get prepared for that?
[01:36:55] Speaker B: He wasn't prepared for somebody to tackle his leg in half.
[01:36:58] Speaker C: I mean, they busted his leg. And Jay Gruden said, get back out there.
[01:37:01] Speaker B: He's like, keep playing, keep playing.
And then he broke it worse.
[01:37:06] Speaker C: He broke it worse?
[01:37:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:37:07] Speaker C: What do you mean you weren't prepared? You weren't prepared to run on a broken leg?
[01:37:11] Speaker B: It was just kind of one of those things. I was like, I'm going to get my popcorn ready. But then it kind of fizzled out. After that, I was sad. I was like, I wish this would have kept going because rg three. Rg three. Like an on air personality. Yeah. He gets after it on his socials.
[01:37:23] Speaker C: He does.
[01:37:24] Speaker B: He does some wacky things.
Finally, to close out our trip around the NFL, Ryan Shazir has filed for divorce after getting caught sending sexts.
[01:37:34] Speaker C: Yeah, this was spicy. Look, I think Ryan Shazir for most of us has been kind of one of those background hero, know, obviously Ohio state guy injury.
[01:37:44] Speaker B: Sure, he was a steeler, and we hate that, but he was an Ohio.
[01:37:46] Speaker C: State guy, and when he was a steeler, you hate to play him.
[01:37:50] Speaker B: He was phenomenal.
[01:37:52] Speaker C: Great athlete, really fast, really strong, but had the horrible injury, told he was probably never going to walk again. Kind of fought through all that, the rehab, and has made tremendous strides to where he's able to kind of be ambulatory again. His foundation in Columbus, and I think he's expanding it to other areas to help spinal cord injury victims.
[01:38:14] Speaker B: Still doing a lot of good.
[01:38:15] Speaker C: And so this was just kind of one of those stories that came across.
[01:38:18] Speaker B: That, damn it, he's just degenerate.
[01:38:20] Speaker C: It was a little bit degenerate because some of these tweets, sex, I guess, were a little saucy.
And he did it.
[01:38:31] Speaker B: You told me some of the stuff. What do you send? Like, book recommendations?
[01:38:34] Speaker C: He did it through, like, imac or something. So his wife basically just got on the computer and saw the whole conversation. It's like, bad move.
But he's like, yeah, he's sending this chick. She was a nice looking girl, whatever. But you're married. You can't play that game. You're done. But he's sending her, like, book recommendation. Like, actual books. Like, it's 2024. Did you send a link or something? Like a web of an article? I'm sending you an actual paperback book that I want you to go to Amazon and buy and read.
[01:39:04] Speaker B: Go buy this.
[01:39:05] Speaker C: The one was the women's guide to anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes second edition? He didn't want to send her the first edition. He wanted to send her the second edition.
[01:39:16] Speaker B: Listen, this one, they made some improvements.
[01:39:19] Speaker C: We figured out how to do this better. The second one was a guide to giving your man a mind blowing blow job or something.
I think that was the first edition. That was an original copy. Original copy. But he was like coy, like, oh, just some light reading for you.
[01:39:37] Speaker B: Cheating in any form is you're a dirt bag.
[01:39:41] Speaker C: Even if you're an amazing spinal cord.
[01:39:43] Speaker B: I will say survivor, you're a complete degenerate. In your personal life, you can do a lot of great things for the community and be a good person that way, but in your personal life, you're a degenerate.
Ryan Shazir took it to another level. He's like, not only am I degenerate, and I'm going to send you things that I want you to try or do or whatever. I also want a book report on it.
Please read this, all 37 chapters, and get back to me with a four page paper, front and back. And I want to know exactly what you've learned. And we're going to try that next weekend.
[01:40:15] Speaker C: That's right. And then I'm going to leave it here for my wife to read all of just terrible.
[01:40:21] Speaker B: But that will conclude our trip around the NFL. Let me remind you to call the burning of a sports guest hot take outline.
All right, don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take outline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes.
We want hot.
[01:40:36] Speaker C: And we'll take them on hot takes all offseason long.
[01:40:39] Speaker B: Give us the hot takes.
[01:40:40] Speaker C: We know there's stuff coming up.
[01:40:41] Speaker B: Shit heats up in the offseason, people.
[01:40:43] Speaker C: Speculation, chubb, other players, deshaun, things you're hearing, things you're seeing. We want to hear from you.
[01:40:50] Speaker B: If anybody's talking about Chubb, you better not get in my face because I'll drop you, motherfucker.
[01:40:54] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:40:55] Speaker B: Anyways. 3302-2780-8033-02 27 80 80 33 02-2780-8033-0227 80 call now. Operators are not standing by. We aren't standing by because it's answering machine. We just take it and put it on air.
[01:41:12] Speaker D: No one's there.
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All right, so we know, we know. We do have one interview left in the Cleveland Browns fan Cruise alumni interview series. We haven't been able to make it happen yet. We will make it happen.
What is that?
[01:43:18] Speaker C: What is that you say? Yeah, I can tell you what that is.
[01:43:21] Speaker B: What is it?
[01:43:22] Speaker C: That is the official signal to remind you that the Cleveland Browns fan Cruise is just 53 days away.
[01:43:28] Speaker B: That's right. March 11, we set sail for five unforgettable days at sea with nearly 20.
[01:43:33] Speaker C: Cleveland Browns alumni, so many Browns alumni and hundreds of Cleveland Browns fans, it's.
[01:43:37] Speaker B: Going to be so much fun. Stops in, what is it?
[01:43:41] Speaker C: Nassau and Jamaica, Bahamas and Jamaica. It's going to be great.
Nassau. For anybody who hasn't been. I'm telling you, the water there, it doesn't matter how deep you are in it, you can see straight to the bottom. Hell yeah. It's amazing.
[01:43:53] Speaker B: There's nothing better than seeing sharks in.
[01:43:55] Speaker C: The ocean and Jamaica Duns river falls, one of the most beautiful places on planet Earth. I absolutely can't wait.
[01:44:03] Speaker B: We're going to be part of hosted, emceeing the pool party on the opening day, part of emceeing the pool party on the closing day, part of the event in the auditorium on day three. We'll also have our own beach cabana on the days that we're on the beaches.
[01:44:19] Speaker C: And we're going to host the dinner table every night. For anybody that wants to say dinner.
[01:44:21] Speaker B: Table every night, we're going to be doing, you guys need to stay tuned on our socials because there's going to be tons of interviews we do with the alumni, with the fans on the cruise. There's going to be a lot of stuff coming out. It's going to be fun.
[01:44:31] Speaker C: Some beers, singing and dancing, some la cucaracha.
[01:44:34] Speaker B: Bone might say wild things. He's going to be drunk.
[01:44:36] Speaker C: He never know what Bone's going to say when you get him going.
[01:44:38] Speaker D: Possibly, yeah. I may sit back a few.
[01:44:43] Speaker B: That.
[01:44:45] Speaker C: I'm still hoping we get to running. If Eric brings his signature cigars, maybe we can find the smoke.
[01:44:51] Speaker B: Signature cigars there's somebody involved with. I don't know which one it was, but one of them is involved with a liquor brand, too. So let's get it. Maybe.
[01:45:00] Speaker C: Yeah, they probably won't let them bring their own liquor on the board. Maybe, but cigars, they probably don't sell.
[01:45:05] Speaker B: They're former NFL players. You don't think they can get around that?
All right, so that'll take 53 days away. 53 days. That'll take us to the NFL divisional round preview.
All right, so we're going to start with the AFC here. We've got Houston at Baltimore.
We're just going to go through this real quick, guys.
Do you guys have anything you want to say about the game before we get into our predictions?
[01:45:44] Speaker D: I'm interested to see how well CJ Stroud does against Baltimore's defense.
[01:45:48] Speaker C: Why don't we just do our predictions?
[01:45:49] Speaker B: All right, that's fine.
[01:45:50] Speaker C: So give our two cent and then do our predictions.
[01:45:53] Speaker B: There we go. Kenny, what do you got in this game?
[01:45:55] Speaker C: I actually like Houston in this game. They just beat the brakes off the Browns. CJ Straud looked incredible. Baltimore's probably, Baltimore's got that time off, which I don't like, which was the one thing I didn't like about the Browns heading into that. They needed the time to get healthy. But it's a double edged sword because I think that you lose some of the momentum from a regular season, and I think that's the situation.
[01:46:15] Speaker B: Where would they have been if they would have came into Cincinnati and managed to make it through that game with no injuries and just beat the shit out of.
[01:46:22] Speaker C: Yeah, and you came in hot or, like, even if the records have been different, like, you were trying to get in that, like, I just think that the momentum is so much different.
[01:46:29] Speaker B: Well, that's what Houston did. Houston came in and they were just coming off a big win to get.
[01:46:32] Speaker C: Into the mean motion is different. So, anyway, I think Baltimore loses that. Houston has that, and they're coming off a huge win.
[01:46:38] Speaker B: CJ looks great. Houston might become, like, the favorites after they beat Baltimore.
[01:46:43] Speaker C: They're officially my dark horse now to kind of run through this thing. I had zero faith in them when this thing started, but the way they played against our team and shut us down in every phase of the game, I don't see why they couldn't do.
[01:46:53] Speaker B: The same with the Browns being like, obviously you don't want to root for anybody but the Browns, but it's kind of hard not to root for CJ Stroud. Right?
[01:47:01] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not anybody else's fan except for the Browns, but I'll root for a player, and CJ is a good one, so I have no problem with him winning.
[01:47:10] Speaker B: What's the score?
[01:47:11] Speaker C: And Houston is not a team that is in the playoffs every year.
I think this is certainly a battle. I think it comes down to whoever has the ball last, and I think somehow Houston comes up with it and it's 31 28.
[01:47:27] Speaker B: I think it's going to be up there. Bone, what do you got in this one?
[01:47:30] Speaker D: I will go Baltimore. Yeah. Close game.
31 was in my head as well, but I'm going to go 33 31, Baltimore.
[01:47:39] Speaker B: I'm actually going to flip that prediction. I think it's also high scoring and I'm going 33 31, Houston. I also like what CJ Stroud's been doing. It seems like he's unfazed by anything.
He's seasoned to be on his years. He just looks calm, cool, collected at all times on the football field when.
[01:47:59] Speaker C: I just think he has a permanent chip on his shoulder coming into this playoffs. Just going back to that Pat McAfee show when his interview with oh, we don't have a chance, when we don't have a chance. Okay, I'm about to show the whole world.
[01:48:10] Speaker B: And it was such a nonchalant true to CJ Stroud answer. He's like, that's just how I live my life. You're going to give us no chance. That's when I'm going to be at my best, right? So yeah, I like Houston, 33 31. Next up for the AFC, Kansas City at Buffalo in the snowball again, like you said, supposed to be like 4ft of snow. So this thing's going to be wiggity wild.
I'll start this one. I like Buffalo in this. I think Kansas City, although they just beat up on Miami, I think Buffalo hit their stride right at the right time this season.
They've been playing very well. They managed to, even with all the weather this past week, score 31 points in that weather. I like Buffalo.
I don't think it's going to be as high scoring as we're used to with Buffalo. Kansas City and I think they finally get that chip off, whatever you want to call it. They get the monkey off their shoulder or whatever it's called. I don't know.
[01:49:08] Speaker C: Monkey off their back.
[01:49:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the one. But they've lost to Kansas City twice in the playoffs and I think they finally get over the hump and they beat them. I'm going to go 24 21, Buffalo.
[01:49:22] Speaker C: I'm going to follow it up with, I agree with you. Buffalo lost twice to Kansas City. In Kansas City. They're in Buffalo this time. I think you have home field advantage. The snow is going to be wiggity wild, but I think they're going to be just throwing snowballs all day there. I'm going to go 26 20, Buffalo over my homes on the road.
[01:49:42] Speaker B: Bone, who you got?
[01:49:44] Speaker D: Yeah, Buffalo home team 35 27.
[01:49:48] Speaker B: Nice. I like it. Take things over to the NFC. First up we got Green Bay at San Francisco. Obviously Green Bay is the hot team here so we'll start with bone. Bone, Bone, who you got in this one?
[01:50:02] Speaker D: I hate either team. I do, too, but I think San Fran is going to take it.
I know Green Bay is playing well, but they're in San Francisco. San Fran's offense has been on fire. So San Francisco, let's say 38 25.
[01:50:19] Speaker B: Okay, I'm going to go San Francisco as well. I think it's going to be closer. I think it's going to be lower scoring. Not low scoring, but lower scoring than what you had, Bone. I'm going to go 20.
Let's go 25 to 21 San Francisco.
[01:50:40] Speaker C: I'm going to ride the hot hand here. I haven't been a believer in San Francisco since the Browns beat them with PJ wall early in the season.
To me that just shows like, anybody can beat you at any given time. And Green Bay is the hot hand. I'll go Green Bay, 31 20.
[01:50:55] Speaker B: Nice. Not just beating them, beating them.
They're beating them.
[01:51:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Green Bay is hot.
[01:51:02] Speaker D: I like it.
[01:51:03] Speaker B: Fair. Then finally hot in the cold. Finally we've got Tampa Bay at Detroit.
Kenny, who you got in this one?
[01:51:12] Speaker C: I'm going to go Detroit just because Baker needs to lose.
And look, I like the story. I like Jared Goff there. I like the fact that he's had a chance to just like Baker kind of reset his career. But Detroit just. Tim has been there the last couple of years with Tom Brady. Detroit hasn't. So I'm listening. I'm hoping Detroit wins to put an end to the Baker madness.
And let's call it 20. 119.
[01:51:43] Speaker B: Bone, who you got?
[01:51:44] Speaker D: Yeah, story. Storybook. Finished Detroit 29 to 19.
[01:51:51] Speaker B: Oh, 29. A weird score. I like it.
I'm going to go with Detroit as well. I've been saying it all along. My dad's a fan. He's kind of in the same boat as us. Like one before I die.
So I'm going to go with Detroit in this.
[01:52:06] Speaker C: Dad's probably closer than we are.
[01:52:08] Speaker B: Yeah, a little bit.
So I want them to continue to win here. I would love to see, just because they've got such a similar fan base, tars, too. It's that blue collar, hardworking city again. I don't root for anybody but the Browns, but it's just kind of that feel good story of being a similar type of franchise to the Cleveland Browns. So I've got Detroit. I think they keep the magic going. I'm going to go 21 20. It's going to be close.
Another one point victory by the Detroit Lions to move on to the NFC championship game.
[01:52:45] Speaker C: Thankfully for Tampa Bay, they don't have to play outside.
[01:52:48] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:52:49] Speaker C: Tod Bowles was asked this week how they were going to acclimate during practice to the cold weather in Detroit, and he said, we're only going to be outside for 20 seconds from the bus to the stadium.
[01:52:58] Speaker B: I don't think there's any acclimation necessary.
But with that, let me remind you to call the burning response guys. Hot take.
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[01:53:31] Speaker C: Never standing by.
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[01:53:42] Speaker C: Next week, the offseason hellride continues. Our normal schedule is out the window because it's the playoffs and Browns are out. So we'll be following along until the playoffs, reach a Super bowl, and come to a conclusion. And from there, we're actually looking at just a couple of weeks until the Browns fan cruise.
[01:54:00] Speaker B: I think last year after the Super bowl, we cut it to bi weekly.
For the offseason, we'll probably run shows.
[01:54:08] Speaker C: Straight up through the fan cruise, and.
[01:54:09] Speaker B: Then we'll take our yearly break and get back into bi weekly after that.
[01:54:13] Speaker C: Absolutely. So shows will likely be a little bit lighter, just with less browns to cover, but absolutely anything that happens, news briefs, player acquisitions, coach signings, all will be covered here. We're here for it with commentary to go.
And that's kind of our plan for now.
[01:54:31] Speaker B: Yeah. So check us out on social media. Tap and media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. At the tap and media and burning river sportscast. That's this podcast. We're on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at Burning river sportscast and on X at Burning river pod. You can find our podcast wherever we get your podcast. Talk at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, Pandora, iHeartRadio podcasts, Castro, good, Pod, Stitcher, and so many more. And you know what that takes us to, Kenny?
I love facts for days, man.
[01:55:07] Speaker C: We got some facts today.
[01:55:09] Speaker B: What do you got for me?
[01:55:10] Speaker C: We got five. Five quick ones.
[01:55:12] Speaker B: What the hell is happening?
[01:55:15] Speaker C: I just was feeling down about the playoff loss.
[01:55:18] Speaker B: So you got some extra facts for.
[01:55:19] Speaker C: I spent some extra time reading facts this week.
[01:55:22] Speaker B: Hell, yes. Give me the number one.
[01:55:24] Speaker C: Number one. You think you're special?
[01:55:26] Speaker B: No.
[01:55:27] Speaker C: When was the last birthday? You were the last birthday.
[01:55:30] Speaker B: Me?
[01:55:31] Speaker C: Well, you're not special because you share your birthday with at least 9 million other people in the world.
[01:55:35] Speaker B: Those sons of bitches. Nobody matters on that day but me.
[01:55:39] Speaker C: Nobody matters because you share your birthday with literally millions of other people.
[01:55:44] Speaker B: I know at least one other person that shares my birthday.
[01:55:47] Speaker C: It's not special.
[01:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah, she went to school with us.
[01:55:51] Speaker C: That's true.
[01:55:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:55:52] Speaker C: I kissed her in 6th grade.
[01:55:53] Speaker B: Good job, buddy.
[01:55:55] Speaker C: Number two, the average american will eat just 35,000 cookies in her lifetime.
[01:56:02] Speaker B: Oh, that's it.
[01:56:03] Speaker C: I feel like I'm way ahead of schedule.
[01:56:05] Speaker B: I'm way ahead of schedule. Here's a fun fact for you to add to the facts. For days, my family, when it comes holiday times at the end of the year, they refer to me as Santa Claus because I eat so many cookies. Nice.
Yeah, I would agree with you. I'm ahead of schedule.
[01:56:22] Speaker C: Did you get.
[01:56:23] Speaker B: Matter of fact, my wife brought home Oreos today, and I think I ate, like, 14.
[01:56:26] Speaker D: It's not hard yet to sit down and eat a sleeve of Oreos.
[01:56:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's always bad. It's a big mistake bringing home Oreos to me because they will be gone in an evening.
[01:56:34] Speaker C: You know what my favorite cookie is right now is this Tate's bake shop. In a little green bag, like a crunchy, a little bit and melt. You got a favorite cookie, right?
[01:56:45] Speaker D: I don't any cookie.
[01:56:46] Speaker B: One of my favorite, like, just boxed cookies. Probably my favorite boxed cookie is samoas. Just Girl scout cookies.
[01:56:54] Speaker C: I like samoas.
[01:56:55] Speaker B: If you give me samoas, I'll literally eat, like, 14 boxes of samoas in an evening.
[01:56:59] Speaker C: I got to find a Girl scout.
[01:57:01] Speaker B: Yeah, they're for sale everywhere right now. Girl scouts are for sale everywhere right now.
[01:57:06] Speaker D: There's, like, competing Girl scouts on the whiteboard at work.
There's one kids, one daughter, and then one daughter, and they're, like, on other sides of the whiteboard. So it's like, who do you send?
[01:57:16] Speaker B: Me? Both.
[01:57:17] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:57:17] Speaker B: Nice. Send me know. Bone specializes in making graphic scales, so he could probably make something.
[01:57:27] Speaker C: Number three.
This one was fascinating.
Termites are very small.
[01:57:35] Speaker B: Yeah, they're small.
[01:57:36] Speaker C: The world's termite population outweighs the entire human population by ten times what? Ten to one.
[01:57:45] Speaker B: That's just termites. I'm not even talking like ants.
[01:57:47] Speaker C: No, just termites.
[01:57:48] Speaker D: They weigh more than us.
[01:57:49] Speaker C: They weigh ten times. If you take all the termites on a planet, put them on a scale. All humans on a planet, put them on a scale. They weigh ten times much as a good thing.
[01:57:55] Speaker B: Insects can't rise up and destroy us.
I know this is a big hot topic with bone. If you could only harness the power of ants, imagine it. Well, because I just said there's way more ants than termites, I'm pretty sure. And just imagine that there's a lot.
[01:58:10] Speaker C: Of wood in the world, man, especially.
[01:58:13] Speaker B: When you're talking to bone.
[01:58:15] Speaker C: Number four, animals this actually was like. I should have known this, but it still was fascinating to me. Animals that lay eggs don't have belly buttons.
[01:58:26] Speaker B: Incredible. Because there's no. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, it makes sense. It's something you don't think about because.
[01:58:33] Speaker C: You think everything has a belly button. Yeah, I have a belly button.
[01:58:35] Speaker B: I have a belly button.
[01:58:38] Speaker C: Number five. The final fact for days.
[01:58:42] Speaker B: Let's hear it.
[01:58:43] Speaker C: The fake snow used in the wizard of Oz was made 100% asbestos. Asbestos.
[01:58:49] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. I knew this one. I knew eventually I would know one of your facts for Dave.
[01:58:54] Speaker C: So that's not good.
[01:58:57] Speaker B: You know what this sounds like, though?
[01:58:58] Speaker C: Sounds like a problem. And don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[01:59:03] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning river sportscast, burning river. Burning river sportscast, burning river. Burning river.
[01:59:14] Speaker C: The browns are out of the playoffs.
[01:59:16] Speaker B: Feels bad. It's the worst.
[01:59:17] Speaker D: Why did you do this to.
[01:59:19] Speaker B: Why do we got a sad song we can sing today to sing us out? Song. Song. Hello darkness, my own song in the south. Sweet potato pie. And I shut my mouth.
[01:59:34] Speaker C: That's a sad song.
[01:59:35] Speaker B: No, you just started saying song. Song.
[01:59:37] Speaker C: Rainy days and Mondays always get me.
[01:59:41] Speaker D: I've had a bad day.
[01:59:43] Speaker B: Take a look.
I like that one. Nice.
[01:59:51] Speaker C: Who sings that? Is that a James Blunt?
[01:59:53] Speaker B: James Blunt? Yeah. Is that James Blunt? Yeah.
[01:59:55] Speaker C: Or is it one of those songs that sounds like James Blunt?
[01:59:57] Speaker B: I don't know who it is. We're going to sound like idiots.
[02:00:10] Speaker C: Browns fan cruise and the Burning river sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of?
[02:00:16] Speaker B: Motorboat. You play the motorboat.
[02:00:19] Speaker C: You motorboat son of a bitch.
[02:00:21] Speaker B: You old sailor, you.
[02:00:22] Speaker C: You know, I was thinking during that.
[02:00:23] Speaker B: Interview, what were you. Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[02:00:28] Speaker C: Wow. My name is Utrit, son of Utrit.
[02:00:32] Speaker B: By the way, I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:00:36] Speaker C: Women's guide to anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes the second edition? He didn't want to send her the first edition. He wanted to send her the second edition.
[02:00:45] Speaker B: Listen, this one, they made some improvements.
[02:00:48] Speaker C: We figured out how to do this better. The weather outside is weather.
[02:00:51] Speaker B: The other one, the finger eating food.
[02:00:54] Speaker C: Fingers ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:00:57] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:00:58] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I have a full shed. He shit everywhere. Oh, no.
[02:01:05] Speaker C: We suck again.
[02:01:06] Speaker B: What do you mean, funny? Funny how? How am I funny? Goddamn jet. All I do is win win no matter what.
[02:01:13] Speaker C: I saw enough, Joe. Flacco hate on social media after this game. It's like, if you're blaming Joe Flacco.
[02:01:21] Speaker B: For this, did you not watch the first half?
[02:01:24] Speaker C: Get a life. You're not even a football fan. You don't know dick about football.
[02:01:28] Speaker B: I mean, last year when I won, I went know my wife's pants hit the ground. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[02:01:35] Speaker C: Wow.
[02:01:36] Speaker B: But damn, the leads are weak. Leads are weak.
[02:01:40] Speaker C: Fucking leads are weak.
[02:01:42] Speaker B: You're weak.
[02:01:44] Speaker C: You know why, Mr. Because you drove.
[02:01:46] Speaker B: A Hyundai to get here tonight, I.
[02:01:48] Speaker C: Drove an $80,000 BMW.
[02:01:51] Speaker B: That's my name. I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Now, I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers.
I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:02:02] Speaker D: It's Mother Nature.
[02:02:03] Speaker C: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:02:05] Speaker A: I desperately want to make love to.
[02:02:07] Speaker C: We need cheese girl. Now, who's canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[02:02:15] Speaker B: Probably me.
[02:02:16] Speaker C: You making a photo of fat people.
[02:02:19] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[02:02:21] Speaker C: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:02:24] Speaker B: No way. You're just straight. Just finger banged their salad.
[02:02:29] Speaker D: You first get shocked, and then you get the shocker.
[02:02:35] Speaker C: You like to see almost naked. That's cool, man. Whatever. No.
Are you not entertained?
[02:02:41] Speaker B: Are you not entertained?
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