Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Kenny Thunder: T media.
[00:00:22] Ronnie Jams: It's time.
[00:00:23] Kenny Thunder: Time for the Burning River Sportscast. Todd Monken famously dropped some expletives a couple weeks back in response to those mocking the Browns. This is the new Browns, the Todd Monken Browns. Seemingly everything was going right, every bounce going your way and feeling like you can't lose. And then sometimes your top rookie wideout will take a nap on the field. Sometimes your offensive line will give up eight sacks. Sometimes your wide receivers will drop wide open passes. Sometimes your quarterback will fumble the ball three times.
Sometimes your kicker who hasn't missed all year will shake an extra point. Sometimes your defense will hand you the ball back on your opponent's 43 yard line with 413 left in the game with a lead, and you'll run exactly 12 seconds off the clock. Sometimes your long snapper will throw the football square over your punter's head. And sometimes it will rain. But sometimes the Browns are gonna Browns. Welcome to Cleveland, Todd. We'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sports.
[00:01:33] Ronnie Jams: Don't call me Juice box.
[00:01:35] Speaker C: You're yesterday's news.
[00:01:36] Speaker D: You're.
[00:01:37] Speaker E: You're. You're. You're a dry piece of toast.
[00:01:39] Kenny Thunder: You're here.
[00:01:40] Speaker E: We don't care about you anymore.
[00:01:42] Kenny Thunder: Slippery with what.
[00:01:43] Speaker E: What comes after allies and trials and the hero's journey.
[00:01:47] Speaker C: It is.
[00:01:48] Speaker E: It's the setback. The setback is absolute must, part of the hero's journey.
[00:01:53] Kenny Thunder: Todd Muggin, Hero.
[00:01:55] Speaker E: Hero.
[00:01:56] Ronnie Jams: We're back to this.
[00:01:56] Speaker D: Let's say the old turkey dinner at Robert Evans.
[00:02:00] Kenny Thunder: You like the old turkey?
[00:02:01] Speaker D: Yeah, it's slaps.
[00:02:02] Speaker E: Slaps.
[00:02:02] Kenny Thunder: I enjoy their. Their podcast.
[00:02:03] Ronnie Jams: I like when bone says slaps. Shut the hell up. We're in the bones.
There's a lot of people out there that'll tell you that seeing more of Jaleel.
Yep. Would be a good thing.
[00:02:13] Speaker C: Oh, playoff. Yeah, playoff. And potential. I thought you were talking about potential. Like, I haven't heard potential with the Bronze Eagle in a while.
[00:02:21] Kenny Thunder: Champ is a word literally used to describe horses grinding their teeth. Chomp is what I do to a sub sandwich.
[00:02:26] Ronnie Jams: They're basically the Browns of the West.
[00:02:27] Kenny Thunder: Doesn't he look like a guy that just verbalizes affirmations in the mirror to himself before he leaves the house. Like, every time I see him, I just feel like he's like, I'm Mike Rutenberg. I'm an NFL coach.
[00:02:39] Ronnie Jams: Do you just be like, nah, I want it.
I insist on having my.
[00:02:43] Kenny Thunder: I want to make sure they're very clearly mollusks.
He used the word mollusks.
Welcome into the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tap In Media. I'm Kenny Thunder, and across from me today, he loves wood more than Gepp.
He's Red Hot Ronnie Jam.
[00:03:05] Ronnie Jams: No way.
[00:03:07] Kenny Thunder: On the boards today, he's a donut in a world full of bagels. He's the big Bone man.
[00:03:11] Ronnie Jams: Hell yeah. I love donuts bone.
[00:03:13] Kenny Thunder: Why can't bicycles stand up on their own balance? They're too tired.
[00:03:19] Ronnie Jams: God.
[00:03:20] Kenny Thunder: Back to red.
[00:03:21] Ronnie Jams: I like how you used to, like, tell them other things and now it's just turned into dad jokes. That's all it is. It's just dad jokes.
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[00:03:40] Ronnie Jams: I'm so lightheaded from flexing while you were saying that.
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[00:04:17] Kenny Thunder: Better hurry up.
[00:04:17] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Sunday.
Yeah.
Which means we got to pick a punishment here soon.
[00:04:23] Kenny Thunder: Deadline approaching. All over.
[00:04:25] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Anyways, the Browns brief, complete with all the injuries, trade speculations, Harold Fannin jr's unreal stat and rare leadership from Deshaun Watson.
Yeah. Division roundup. Quick trip around the NFL. Another entry into our Brownsbackers interview series. The famous Brownsbackers interview series.
The week five preview.
[00:04:44] Kenny Thunder: The famous week five preview.
[00:04:46] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
King of the north and oh, so much more. So sit back and enjoy two hours of the smoothest, silkiest, sexiest, most soothing voices on the airwaves. And Kenny Thunder. Now let's get things started with the
[00:05:03] Kenny Thunder: Burning river news story of the week.
[00:05:16] Ronnie Jams: All right. News story of the week. This week. Legendary coach Mike Dick Cub passed away this past week.
[00:05:23] Kenny Thunder: Rip.
[00:05:23] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, we lost a. We lost a legend here. The dude. I mean, the Bears.
[00:05:29] Speaker D: What.
[00:05:29] Ronnie Jams: What else can you say?
No, seriously. I mean, obviously, great coach, but even since his time on the, you know, as a coach, on the football field, he's remained in the. Kind of in the public eye. He's been. He's done some, like, analyst work. He's done movies, he's done commercials. Commercials. He's done all kinds of stuff.
[00:05:49] Kenny Thunder: And he's just kind of did okay for himself.
[00:05:51] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:51] Ronnie Jams: I mean, even if, like I said, he was great when he was coaching, we all know him and love him from that, but I. It's like he's grown even more into a household name for the urge, at least just as much for the stuff he's done off the field as he did when he was on the field. On the field, coaching. So big football guy.
[00:06:10] Kenny Thunder: Big football guy.
[00:06:11] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Just done a lot for the game, I will say. Just every time I think of Mike Ditka, I actually.
Football coaches is probably the first thing that pops into my head. But I don't actually think of him coaching the Bears. The first. The first thing that comes to my mind is the movie Kicking and Screaming with Will Ferrell.
[00:06:29] Kenny Thunder: Everybody wave your body, Juice box.
[00:06:31] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, don't call me Juice box.
And him and Will Ferrell just yelling at each other the entire time that Will Ferrell's a coach and turning into just an egomaniac.
[00:06:40] Kenny Thunder: So one thing that I saw that came out this week, that, I mean, I'm sure other people have seen this before, but I guess. Have you guys heard of this? The fertile crescent of football?
[00:06:49] Ronnie Jams: No.
[00:06:51] Kenny Thunder: Mike. Mike Ditka, Paul Brown, Don Shula, Chuck Noel, Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh, Nick Saban, Bo Schembechler, Lou Holtz, Bob Stoops, Les Arab Parshigian, Jim Trestle, Don James, Bill Cower, Woody Hayes, Kurt Signetti, and Mike McCarthy, all born or raised inside of this 315 mile area of basically northeast Ohio to, like, Pittsburgh.
Wow. Yeah, like. Well, Toledo, I guess. Like Toledo to Pittsburgh.
[00:07:18] Speaker C: Ish.
[00:07:18] Kenny Thunder: Like all of those guys just all from the same area. I just thought that was super interesting.
[00:07:22] Ronnie Jams: Does anybody have any more questions as to why the Pro Football hall of Fame is in Canton, Ohio?
[00:07:27] Kenny Thunder: That's right. All the greats are from here.
[00:07:29] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. So I know that there's. That's like a constant debate is like, whose football is better, Ohio or Texas. And I know you Texas people say it's Texas. It's not. It's Ohio.
[00:07:37] Kenny Thunder: It's definitely not Kentucky.
[00:07:38] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Well, that's for sure.
Yeah. Or that. That city that poses as a city in southern Ohio, but is actually in Kentucky.
[00:07:47] Kenny Thunder: That's in Kentucky.
[00:07:48] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:07:48] Kenny Thunder: Cincinnati, Florence, y'.
[00:07:50] Speaker E: All.
[00:07:50] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:07:51] Kenny Thunder: They don't even have their own airport.
[00:07:53] Ronnie Jams: No, it's in Kentucky, actually. If you have to fly out of Kentucky, then you're officially in Kentucky.
[00:07:58] Kenny Thunder: You're in Kentucky.
[00:07:59] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. So across the state line. And I know that the Bengals fly. When they have away games, they fly out of Kentucky. So there you go.
[00:08:05] Kenny Thunder: All their games are away games. They're from Kentucky.
[00:08:07] Ronnie Jams: They're from Kentucky. I just hate them.
But I loved Mike Ditka, so.
[00:08:12] Kenny Thunder: Mike Ditka was a good dude.
[00:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:08:14] Ronnie Jams: RIP Mike Dick, rip. You will be missed.
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[00:08:33] Kenny Thunder: Now, it's not Bernie Kozar's jersey, but it is a Bernie Kosar jersey that was signed by Bernie Kosar.
[00:08:39] Ronnie Jams: There you go. Another thing before we get to the Browns, let me remind everybody, call the Burninger sports guys.
[00:08:44] Kenny Thunder: Take call that shit.
[00:08:46] Ronnie Jams: Don't recall if you had takes on how. Take hotline. Kenny, we got any hot takes this week?
[00:08:49] Kenny Thunder: We got some hot takes. Do you want to hear them?
[00:08:52] Ronnie Jams: Oh, you want to hear them?
[00:08:54] Kenny Thunder: Oh, you want to hear them?
[00:08:55] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I do.
[00:08:56] Speaker E: Hey, it's Monaco from the Brownsbackers of North Jersey. This is a message from Matt from Nashville. Matt, you seem like a great guy. I've loved your call since you've been calling. Keep them up, but be wary, because these guys have this tendency to love on you when you first start calling, and then as soon as someone new shows up your yesterday's news, you're a dry piece of toast.
We don't care about you anymore. It happened last year. I was the flavor of the month last year. Bobby got angry. Bobby got pushed off to the side. And, oh, we love Menachem. And now this year, we love Matt.
[00:09:42] Kenny Thunder: Oh, Menachem.
[00:09:43] Speaker E: Oh, he can. He can rot in hell.
[00:09:45] Kenny Thunder: We don't care about him.
[00:09:46] Speaker E: So, Matt, keep the calls coming, but just beware that this is how they operate.
All right, Have a great day, everybody. Maybe we'll call with another one about the game itself and whatnot But, Matt, I do like your calls. I want you to know I really, really like calls. But just be aware that, like, when someone new starts calling, you're gonna be, like, pushed off to the side like they've done before.
Bum, bum, bum.
[00:10:15] Ronnie Jams: One, I like that Monokam has his own sound effects.
And two, Menachem, you said you turn into a dry piece of toast. Aren't all pieces of toast dry?
[00:10:25] Kenny Thunder: The nature of toast.
[00:10:25] Ronnie Jams: That's what toast is. You literally heat up and dry out the bread.
[00:10:29] Kenny Thunder: Manakum doesn't sound like toast to me. He sounds like salt. He's a little salty.
[00:10:34] Speaker D: He was still pretty nice to Matt, the newcomer.
[00:10:36] Kenny Thunder: I mean, who doesn't love Matt, right? The infectious laugh.
[00:10:39] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:10:40] Kenny Thunder: The soothe bite. Those smooth pipes.
[00:10:43] Ronnie Jams: Menachem, what are you talking about?
We love you.
[00:10:48] Kenny Thunder: Well, yeah, we love you, Manakum. You're still the flavor of my month.
Or my flavor of the month. One of those.
[00:10:54] Ronnie Jams: For some reason, that just sounds wrong. I mean, I'm just saying.
No, but you're constantly promoting the hot take hotline, and we love you.
[00:11:03] Kenny Thunder: Nothing sounds better coming out of my mouth than Menockum.
[00:11:05] Ronnie Jams: Okay, well, on that note, let's see if we have any other hot takes.
[00:11:12] Speaker E: Hi, guys. Matt from Nashville.
Here we go.
This hot take might get me banned from the Burning river sportscast for forever, but not because of what you think, but because it's so dorky and nerdy. But before the game started, I told my wife, I was like, this is the one the Browns have to lose, I said, because they're on the hero's journey.
And I was a kid in the back of school not playing on a sports team. I was reading Joseph Campbell, and Joseph Campbell says, you know, you start off, you're just living in the ordinary world, the typical world. Game one, right? That's typical Browns. And then there's a call to adventure.
So week two. Weeks, week two, is this. Come out of the gate. Like, this could be new. This is different. This is odd. Something changes.
And the next phase of the hero's journey, this. Allies and trials arrive. So I don't know if this is a Browns hero's journey, if it's Todd Monken's hero's journey. But. But there's an. An early help. A little push from the side, and. And these guys get a win. Well, literally, we have help from above, not help from a side. We have a. We have a game delay of four hours. What was it? And so then there's these. Just the trials. So we got the Carolina game, then the Pittsburgh game that I went to.
What comes after allies and trials and the hero's journey. It is. It's the setback. The setback is absolute must, part of the hero's journey. And it might be just because maybe they're going to do this the rest of the season.
My consolation is before. Nope, they got to lose to the hero's journey to set back.
Offense stalls, confidence gets tested. So here's what comes next. It's not just a bounce back. It is an ordeal.
We have an ordeal where the biggest challenge looms and that fits next week for right now. I mean, maybe anything would be a challenge if they survive the ordeal.
The next step on the hero's journey is the road back.
So these lessons from the setback and the ordeal get put to use.
So we got Tennessee, we got Pittsburgh, we got New Orleans.
They can come back and then there's a return.
Doesn't mean they make playoffs.
But if they just played better football than the last five or six years, maybe that's. That's probably Todd Monkin's hero's journey. Now that I think about him, he
[00:14:10] Ronnie Jams: got cut off in the middle of his literary reference.
[00:14:14] Speaker D: That happens to Matt. Yeah,
[00:14:17] Kenny Thunder: he's probably still talking.
[00:14:18] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, he was like, oh, did something. But anyways, no, you won't get banned. There's. There's very few things that can get you banned from. From the Burning River Sports.
[00:14:28] Kenny Thunder: I actually love it. A Joseph Campbell reference. I didn't have that in my.
[00:14:31] Ronnie Jams: I was really getting into it. You've revealed some things about yourself.
And at least. At the very least, we've learned that you're somewhat of an intellectual and you like to read.
[00:14:40] Kenny Thunder: That's what I was going to say. I think there we were kind of guessing what Menachem did as a profession last year. It's going to be interesting.
[00:14:47] Ronnie Jams: Do you remember on what's it.
[00:14:50] Kenny Thunder: I think he's in education. Right.
[00:14:51] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:14:51] Speaker D: There you go.
[00:14:53] Kenny Thunder: We knew just by his vocabulary that he was an intellectual. And he's still an intellectual, even though if he's dry.
[00:14:58] Ronnie Jams: But yeah, breaking out the hero's journey.
[00:15:00] Kenny Thunder: And that's the Hero with the Thousand Faces. Right. I think was the. Was the. The book, the whole mono myth, 1949,
[00:15:08] Speaker D: the hero with a Thousand Faces.
[00:15:09] Kenny Thunder: I think Star wars was like loosely based on that story.
[00:15:14] Ronnie Jams: A lot of. Yeah. A lot of newer age.
Well, Star wars going back to like the 70s or 60s or whatever that was. But yeah, I mean, it's one of those pieces of literature that like is very influential for future hero's journey.
[00:15:28] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, love that. Didn't see that coming.
[00:15:31] Ronnie Jams: See that coming.
I'm excited. Anytime people bring break out like literary
[00:15:37] Kenny Thunder: references, you're just waiting on somebody to bring out a Tolkien reference.
[00:15:40] Ronnie Jams: I need dude dog to call back in and talk about Tolkien because it's my favorite.
[00:15:44] Kenny Thunder: You love Tolkien.
[00:15:45] Ronnie Jams: But no, I like this one. I can see where you're going with this. Todd Monken's hero journey.
[00:15:51] Kenny Thunder: Look, every great hero faces adversity. This is Todd Monkins adversity. You're gonna come out stronger on the other side.
[00:15:56] Speaker C: Right?
[00:15:56] Kenny Thunder: Like it's all part of the plan.
[00:15:58] Ronnie Jams: And I mean, I guess if we're gonna write a book about Todd Monkin's life one day, he's gotta have that hero journey. So it's gotta line up with, with, you know, the formula.
[00:16:06] Kenny Thunder: Todd Muggin hero.
[00:16:08] Ronnie Jams: We're back to this.
Oh, geez. Thanks, Matt. If nothing else, you brought this back from a couple weeks ago? I thought we were past it.
[00:16:15] Kenny Thunder: We love it, Matt.
[00:16:16] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:16:16] Kenny Thunder: Keep calling.
[00:16:17] Ronnie Jams: Keep calling.
[00:16:17] Kenny Thunder: The hot take hotline.
[00:16:18] Ronnie Jams: Is that what we got this week?
[00:16:19] Kenny Thunder: That's what we got this week. Manakam said he was going to call back and talk about the game. He never did. He's still salty with us.
[00:16:24] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, you wonder why we're giving you Knock him. You aren't even holding to your promises
[00:16:28] Kenny Thunder: and apparently angry Bobby's just falling off completely. Angry Bobby. Angry Bobby mad at us. He doesn't like us.
[00:16:34] Ronnie Jams: I know you're listening. So call angry Bobby because apparently he's nowhere to be found. I'm chapter of the year. I'm too good for these. We used it.
[00:16:40] Kenny Thunder: We used to hear from the little Bobby's. Yeah, and now they aren't even calling. Was that Kevin? Tim.
They quit calling us.
[00:16:47] Ronnie Jams: Never heard from them. Months.
[00:16:49] Kenny Thunder: Haven't heard from him.
[00:16:50] Ronnie Jams: So.
[00:16:50] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I feel like the scorned lover.
[00:16:52] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, to hell with those guys.
[00:16:53] Kenny Thunder: I once was their lover and now I'm scorned.
[00:16:55] Ronnie Jams: You guys are sons of bitches.
[00:16:56] Kenny Thunder: Talk about a hero's journey. This is a lover's journey. My journey. And I'm the lover and now I'm scorned.
[00:17:01] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I'm going back to last year. I don't know how Mrs. Angry Bobby puts up with that lot.
[00:17:05] Kenny Thunder: You know, they're terrible bad, bad guys.
[00:17:09] Ronnie Jams: But anyways, don't for call leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes.
[00:17:15] Kenny Thunder: We want all the hot takes. 3, 3, 0, 2278-0813-3022-7808, 1330-2278-0808-1330, 227808, 881. Call now.
[00:17:27] Ronnie Jams: Put you on here and we'll talk about you.
[00:17:29] Kenny Thunder: We'll call you. Toast.
[00:17:30] Ronnie Jams: Dry toast, whatever that is. Anyway, speaking of hot takes, it's time for dig it with the macho fan.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:46] Kenny Thunder: Not the way we wanted it to go. Slippery with wet. But now we move on.
[00:17:51] Speaker D: That's right.
[00:17:52] Kenny Thunder: We're moving on to the next chapter.
Moving on to the Baltimore Ravens.
[00:17:57] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:17:58] Kenny Thunder: Division four. We all know we all have that history. We have that best.
[00:18:04] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:18:05] Kenny Thunder: And we're gonna make you not the future. The future is the Cleveland Browns. So you, Baltimore, you can take your flock and migrate somewhere else.
[00:18:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:17] Kenny Thunder: Migrate down to the bottom south of the AFC North.
[00:18:22] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:18:23] Kenny Thunder: So now we can stay on top where we belong.
[00:18:27] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:18:29] Kenny Thunder: Let's go, Browns.
Before we talk about the macho fan, I do actually want to talk about toast for a second because we recently went to Robert Evans's restaurant of breakfast foods, and I actually had some really dry.
Actually had some really dry toast. Like, I remember remarking a second. I remember remembering remarking to my wife, I was like, this toast is exceptionally dry.
[00:18:58] Ronnie Jams: Did you know the original Bob Evans is Ohio?
[00:19:01] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[00:19:01] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:19:02] Kenny Thunder: Fertile Crescent grew a lot of breakfast foods here. Football and all the breakfast.
[00:19:07] Ronnie Jams: And Robert Evans.
[00:19:08] Kenny Thunder: That's right.
Good sausage gravy.
[00:19:11] Ronnie Jams: Okay. Well, yeah.
[00:19:12] Kenny Thunder: I'm surprised Bob Evans is still around, to be honest. Robert Evans.
The food's not that good.
[00:19:19] Ronnie Jams: You know what's great about Robert Evans?
On Tuesdays, it's like 4.99 for kids.
[00:19:24] Kenny Thunder: It's actually free. Free. It's free.
[00:19:26] Ronnie Jams: It is free. You're right. And it's fantastic because every time, like, we're sitting around, we're like, we don't know what to have on a. Like a Tuesday night. I'm like, well, you know, Robert Evans has free kids. Kids eat free.
[00:19:37] Kenny Thunder: My wife manages kids for a living. So sometimes we have extra kids.
[00:19:42] Ronnie Jams: That sounds weird.
[00:19:42] Kenny Thunder: Don't. Sometimes we have extra kids, and that's. We often do the Robert Evans dinner tour because it's cheap to take multiple kids there on a Tuesday. At least for every adult, you get a kid's meal for free, which is good. And even if you go normally, I think the kids meals include a drink. So, like, if you're buying apple juice, orange juice, milk at a restaurant can be expensive. So to have that included for like 6.99 you know how we do?
[00:20:05] Ronnie Jams: We ball on a budget, baby.
[00:20:06] Kenny Thunder: We ball on a budget over at Robert Evans.
[00:20:08] Ronnie Jams: Hell yeah.
[00:20:08] Speaker D: Let's say the old turkey dinner at Robert Evans.
[00:20:11] Kenny Thunder: You like the old turkey?
[00:20:12] Speaker D: Yeah, it slaps.
[00:20:14] Ronnie Jams: Slaps.
[00:20:14] Kenny Thunder: I enjoy their. Their pots.
[00:20:15] Ronnie Jams: I like when bone says slaps. I like when bone slaps.
[00:20:18] Kenny Thunder: I like slapping the bone.
[00:20:20] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:20:20] Kenny Thunder: I enjoy their pot roast dinner.
Lately, since I've been on the diet, I'm down 157 pounds of still fat. Still fat. I pretty much exclusively eat these steak and eggs for breakfast, lunch or dinner now because it's like less than 500 calories for the whole plate.
[00:20:35] Ronnie Jams: Hell yeah.
[00:20:36] Kenny Thunder: If you don't eat too many of the hash brown potatoes anyways. That's the calorie killer.
[00:20:40] Ronnie Jams: Macho fan.
[00:20:41] Kenny Thunder: Macho, macho fan.
[00:20:44] Ronnie Jams: I wanna be a macho fan.
[00:20:47] Kenny Thunder: Macho fan has never had had a toast that was dry.
[00:20:50] Ronnie Jams: No, no.
[00:20:51] Kenny Thunder: His toast is always moist and uttered so wet. So moist.
[00:20:55] Ronnie Jams: And one more thing before. Actually we got two more things, so.
[00:20:59] Kenny Thunder: Two more Joseph Campbell references.
[00:21:01] Ronnie Jams: No, Right now we're gonna do the burning of a sportscast dog.
[00:21:09] Kenny Thunder: Doesn't matter, man.
[00:21:10] Speaker E: You gotta play tough people in the National Football League.
[00:21:13] Kenny Thunder: You gotta be ready and we gotta be the dogs that we are every
[00:21:16] Speaker E: time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack and don' until we're in that locker room.
[00:21:25] Ronnie Jams: All right. We leave it up to our listeners to determine the burning of Sportscast Dog of the week. Each week on our live shows on Sunday night, we each nominate a dog of the week candidate. From there, we turn it over to all of you on our socials to vote and make your make the final decision. This week's nominees. Kenny.
[00:21:41] Kenny Thunder: I nominated the joker Quincy Williams.
[00:21:44] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. I nominated Carson Schwezinger and Bone Malik Collins.
And after the fan vote that was conducted on our socials, this week's Burning River Sportscast dog of the week is
[00:22:00] Kenny Thunder: Quincy. Quincy Adams.
[00:22:02] Speaker D: No.
[00:22:02] Ronnie Jams: Quincy Williams. Quincy Williams.
Quincy Williams, playing his former team was just out of his mind this week.
11 total tackles, seven solo tackles, one tackle for loss, one pass defendant, and three forced fumbles.
[00:22:17] Kenny Thunder: Guy clearly came out with a chip on his shoulder, A bone to pick bones over there.
Either way, he was out with something to prove. I mean, he was a. He was pretty much the only reason they were even in this game at some points because his performance was just absolutely monstrous all day long, just disruptive.
[00:22:36] Ronnie Jams: It seemed like every time we needed a big play on defense, there it was.
[00:22:39] Kenny Thunder: I mean, three forced fumbles that's crazy. What are you doing?
[00:22:43] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I mean, pretty good.
[00:22:44] Kenny Thunder: We need that every game. Yeah, I think they only recovered one, but three, four.
Really impressive.
[00:22:52] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. And I know you said he had a bone to pick. Speaking of bone, it's time for the bone zone.
[00:23:07] Speaker C: All right.
[00:23:07] Ronnie Jams: It is time to enter the bone zone. Y' all heard me and Kenny's thoughts on Sunday night after the game. This is the time for bone to give his thoughts.
[00:23:15] Kenny Thunder: So talk about the twilight zone, but with.
[00:23:19] Ronnie Jams: Yes.
[00:23:19] Kenny Thunder: These.
Nope.
[00:23:22] Ronnie Jams: Cucumber.
[00:23:23] Kenny Thunder: There it is.
[00:23:24] Speaker D: Oh, my God.
[00:23:25] Ronnie Jams: Nice.
[00:23:26] Speaker D: So much water droplet just came out of your mouth.
[00:23:28] Ronnie Jams: Anticipation. It's making me wait.
[00:23:31] Kenny Thunder: It snuck up on me. I thought it was going to hit my microphone. I was like, I got to get out of here. But then it didn't come.
[00:23:35] Ronnie Jams: Then shut the hell up. We're in the bone.
[00:23:38] Kenny Thunder: I'm sorry.
[00:23:39] Ronnie Jams: I'm bone. What do you got?
[00:23:39] Speaker D: Skull bone. Oh, you guys should actually film this time because I did not watch the game.
[00:23:46] Kenny Thunder: He's not even gonna pretend.
[00:23:48] Speaker D: Should I pretend it? I was at a wedding reception, so I had to miss it.
[00:23:53] Ronnie Jams: I've never been more disappointed in my.
[00:23:54] Speaker D: I watched a few highlights.
You know what? I did make it home at the very end of the game where, like, Deshaun got sacked, like, three times, and we. We. Oh, we ran out on when it
[00:24:04] Kenny Thunder: was 4th and 19, and instead of just throwing the ball up, he decided to scramble. Yeah, the one thing that wasn't going to lead to it.
[00:24:10] Speaker D: I saw a replay of the.
The pun or whatever.
[00:24:14] Speaker C: The.
[00:24:14] Speaker D: The snapped punt over the head. Yeah, it looked like at that time, the game was still within reach. And our d. We were winning. Our defense held him to 10 points at that point.
[00:24:21] Ronnie Jams: And, yeah, it was 12 to 10. We were winning at that point.
[00:24:24] Kenny Thunder: We had the ball on their side of the field.
[00:24:25] Speaker D: They got the ball at the 20 and scored.
[00:24:27] Ronnie Jams: So we didn't.
[00:24:28] Kenny Thunder: We didn't even force them to take their timeouts. We didn't run the ball. We were just like, you know what? 12 seconds off the clock. Let's give you the ball back.
[00:24:33] Ronnie Jams: There you go.
[00:24:34] Speaker D: I mean, I saw.
[00:24:35] Kenny Thunder: In fact, let's give it to you on your side of the field.
[00:24:37] Speaker D: Whatever. We had four sacks. They had eight. So it seems like Deshawn was harassed quite a bit throughout the game. Rain the whole time.
So I don't. I Not watching the whole game. I can't get a good, I guess, feel of how everything went.
[00:24:48] Ronnie Jams: But, you see, we walk into the bone zone thinking we're getting something Good. And he just.
[00:24:51] Speaker D: That's what I told you.
[00:24:52] Ronnie Jams: I didn't watch the game.
I don't care. I don't know.
[00:24:55] Speaker D: I feel like our defense still played well, just from what I have gathered, ascertained. But was it at least promising?
[00:25:02] Kenny Thunder: Was it at least a good wedding reception? Was it.
[00:25:04] Ronnie Jams: You do the chicken. Tell us about that.
[00:25:06] Speaker D: It was pretty good. It was just. Honestly, there was no. It was like they got married on Saturday and then they had a bigger reception with more people on Sunday.
[00:25:13] Kenny Thunder: So it was cool.
[00:25:15] Speaker D: They had good food and drinks and stuff. And. Yeah, it was nice. It's a nice entertaining lunch.
[00:25:22] Kenny Thunder: Well, this segment was a waste.
[00:25:23] Speaker D: Yeah.
Not really all that riveting, I guess, with that.
[00:25:27] Ronnie Jams: Let's go ahead and get into the Browns brief.
[00:25:40] Kenny Thunder: I can't lie.
[00:25:44] Ronnie Jams: All right, guys, you know what it was, right? It was the white uniforms.
[00:25:48] Kenny Thunder: I hate the white. All white uniforms. It may be terrible.
[00:25:50] Ronnie Jams: It may be the worst uniform combination.
[00:25:52] Kenny Thunder: My least favorite uni combo.
[00:25:54] Ronnie Jams: Oh, my God. It's so bad. And we always lose when we wear all white.
[00:25:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:25:58] Speaker D: I feel like every time we play the jets and we lose.
[00:26:03] Ronnie Jams: Play the jets or if they wear all white, they're gonna lose. If you do both, you're definitely some
[00:26:07] Speaker D: type of terrible special teams play or some anomaly in the game and they end up. They end up winning.
[00:26:11] Ronnie Jams: Nick Chubb scores a touchdown.
[00:26:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:26:13] Kenny Thunder: Like all bad things that happened. Yes. They. I just. I don't know why they don't at least wear the. The orange pants. Just do the orange pants. That is a sharp color combo.
[00:26:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:26:22] Ronnie Jams: I don't even care what pants you wear other than white. Just wear a color.
[00:26:25] Kenny Thunder: Make up a new color. You can wear gray pants.
[00:26:27] Ronnie Jams: It doesn't matter. Just don't wear white on white. It looks terrible.
[00:26:30] Kenny Thunder: It's. I think some people, they don't like it.
[00:26:32] Ronnie Jams: It would even be better if they went like colored socks. They're there. It's literally white. White jersey, white pants, white socks. Like, it's terrible.
[00:26:40] Kenny Thunder: It's a terrible color combo. I will say the white face masks at least. Kind of like they improved it a little bit this year with the white face masks, but.
[00:26:49] Speaker C: I hate.
[00:26:50] Kenny Thunder: I hate it.
[00:26:50] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Something else.
Anyways, the biggest part of the Browns brief today might actually be the injury update. So, Kenny, you want to give us that? Because there' entire team is slew of.
[00:27:02] Kenny Thunder: Of injuries.
Actually, let me just pull up the injury report here right now. So let's see. Derek Barnett, Denzel Boston, Malik Collins, Casey Concepcion, Grant Delpit, Dylan Gabriel, Mason Graham, Mike, Hall.
Let's see, we got Howard, Jenkins, Jenkins, Judkins, Ryan, Sampson, Sweatinger, Wallace, and Davis. So now the Ravens aren't in much better shape. They have about the same amount of guys that are design injury, but most of them were not like, did not practice this week. Most of them were just limited in reps where the Browns, on the other hand, have. Let's see what. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 guys that just did not practice.
[00:27:47] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
I will say this. I saw today that Lamar Jackson is like, lobbying to be able to play this week. It sounds like he's honestly probably not quite ready to come back, but that he's lobbying to play against the Browns. And I, I don't know if that says anything or not. I mean, to me, that almost speaks to like, he thinks the Browns are a legitimate team this year.
[00:28:11] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I, I think what it speaks to me is that this division is super tight and he knows it.
[00:28:20] Ronnie Jams: He's like, every game counts, especially in the division.
[00:28:22] Kenny Thunder: I mean, like, how good are the Steelers? Anybody's guess. The Bengals always falter because they're the Bengals and they're in Kentucky.
[00:28:28] Ronnie Jams: Why is every team in our div. Division like Jekyll and Hyde? You have no idea what you're going to get.
[00:28:32] Kenny Thunder: The Browns clearly are the Browns. The Browns are going to Browns. So I think he's expecting that at some point they'll falter. And at that point, then you're the lone, like, by default division winner if you can keep it together during the season. Right. So you might win this division with nine, 10 wins. And he's probably looking at that calendar going like, I, this is one of those that I, we should be able to win.
So that's what it says to me. But I honestly, like, I don't know if you have a 70, 80% Lamar Jackson and then Snoop Huntley. Like, like both of those guys are capable.
Obviously Lamar is a dynamic athlete, but if he's injured, like, you don't have maybe the full Lamar Jackson. But.
But I think either way, like, the Browns got to bring their lunch this week because both those guys can play.
[00:29:12] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, yeah, just. But so many injuries, we have no idea, like, half the teams could be out this week.
[00:29:19] Kenny Thunder: I mean, the fortunate thing is, as Todd Monken did say this week, like early in the week or midweek, that he wasn't ruling anybody out just yet. Yet.
But we know that, like, Carson would be a big miss with the ankle injury. We Know Quin Sean left in a boot last week. Obviously the offensive line being banged up doesn't help for a group that already gave up eight sacks this last week. So a lot of concerns I think especially in the running back room where Dylan Sampson hasn't been on the field all year. Quinn Shawn is now hurt and we had to sign Adric Estimate who is a monster of a human being but hasn't done a whole lot in his time in the league so far.
[00:29:55] Ronnie Jams: Did you read the notes?
[00:29:56] Kenny Thunder: No, I was just talking about the running back room.
[00:29:58] Ronnie Jams: Well good, because that was the next point in the Browns brief is that we signed a running backs. Our running backs are hurt. I had a whole segue plan.
[00:30:04] Kenny Thunder: Sorry.
[00:30:04] Ronnie Jams: Like going from injury update to this.
[00:30:06] Kenny Thunder: But I have my notes up.
[00:30:07] Ronnie Jams: You know, there you are. You wrecked it. So thank you.
[00:30:10] Kenny Thunder: Hopefully can wreck natural transition but also have Jaleel McLaughlin.
[00:30:17] Ronnie Jams: Oh, yeah. So I mean we're there now. You already said what I was going to say, so. So there you have it. We signed Audric estimate big dude but we have no running back. So I don't know what's gonna happen.
[00:30:28] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I think he's like a 230 pound guy. I think he's 5116 foot.
[00:30:33] Ronnie Jams: What was Quinshon's actual injury? You just mentioned he was injured. What's his actual injury?
[00:30:38] Kenny Thunder: It's an ankle.
[00:30:40] Ronnie Jams: Ankle injury. I think as long as he avoided the dreaded high ankle sprain. We haven't mentioned it in a while and. And I know him and Swezing are left with in walking boots this past week.
[00:30:51] Speaker D: I feel like it might have just been a sprain.
[00:30:53] Ronnie Jams: If that's the case, that's good. You can come. You bounce back.
[00:30:56] Kenny Thunder: It's actually designated as a foot injury.
I think it's the same. He'll probably play one that got hurt last year.
[00:31:02] Ronnie Jams: That's a little concerning.
[00:31:05] Kenny Thunder: But. Yeah, but Dylan Sampson is designated to return this week. But I think there's like a 21 day window where they have to like activate him.
[00:31:14] Ronnie Jams: He was practicing.
[00:31:15] Kenny Thunder: I saw he was practicing but he didn't really, really dress and he wasn't really involved in any drills. He was just kind of out there in sweats. So we'll see how that develops things
[00:31:24] Ronnie Jams: to keep an eye on.
[00:31:25] Kenny Thunder: But we could be literally. I mean this is already a struggling running game and we could be walking into Sunday with Aldrich estimate and Jaleel McLaughlin.
[00:31:33] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, there's a lot of people out there that'll tell you that. Seeing more of Jaleel Yep. Would be a good thing. So we'll see.
[00:31:43] Kenny Thunder: I, I, I mean, look, he's, he's not touched the ball a whole lot.
I mean, what he's in I think his third or fourth season and he
[00:31:52] Speaker C: hasn't really done, he had that one
[00:31:53] Speaker D: touchdown run against, I mean, I agree it's Browns fans.
[00:31:55] Ronnie Jams: I mean, we, I'm a Browns fan too. So when I see a guy do something dynamic the running back because they're like, give him the ball.
[00:32:02] Speaker D: He's had a nice touchdown run against the Steelers. That's why that might be his like,
[00:32:05] Ronnie Jams: only that's why everybody wants to see him touch the ball.
[00:32:08] Kenny Thunder: Four years in the league, four touchdowns, 1,100 124 yards. So now to be fair, he's averaging 4.9 yards per carry, which is way better than Quinchon.
[00:32:18] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:32:19] Kenny Thunder: So maybe he is the answer.
[00:32:21] Ronnie Jams: Maybe he's the See, now you're on board, little dude.
[00:32:24] Kenny Thunder: 57187.
[00:32:26] Ronnie Jams: He's small. That doesn't, that's not a recipe for success in the NFL.
[00:32:31] Kenny Thunder: Local tie in Youngstown State guy.
[00:32:33] Ronnie Jams: Hell yeah.
[00:32:34] Kenny Thunder: Penguin.
[00:32:35] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, that's cool. Jim Trestle, he's the president over there.
[00:32:39] Kenny Thunder: They probably was there around the same time because that would have been four, five years ago.
[00:32:43] Ronnie Jams: So, you know, whatever.
[00:32:45] Kenny Thunder: Fertile Crescent.
[00:32:45] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, Next up here. And this, this will actually probably take up the most time on the Browns brief here because it's just an interesting thing that came out this week. Adam Schefter reported this week that Browns quarterback Shador Sanders, who went through draft night in the early part of his NFL career without an agent, has signed with with A.D. von Gonard. A.m. i saying that right, Gard?
[00:33:09] Kenny Thunder: I think so.
[00:33:10] Ronnie Jams: CEO of Young Money APA Young Money is the name.
[00:33:14] Kenny Thunder: Most people know that.
[00:33:16] Ronnie Jams: So he signed with Young Money as the agency. But, but that's his representation with the signing Young Money. APAA Sports now represents former Colorado teammates Travis Hunter and Sanders.
And so this is interesting because obviously he hasn't had an agent to this point.
So immediately there's lots of speculation. Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports responded with Shador Sanders in your in year two of four.
Two of a four year deal, he stuck behind Watson. He didn't hire an agent when he needed one. Air quotes during the draft process. But now he hires won five games into his second season with 12 games and two years left on his rookie deal. Use your brains. An agent seeks options.
Emmett golden of ESPN Cleveland also said there was really no reason for Sanders to hire an agent unless Something was cooking for the Browns.
He added, for people that aren't familiar with this, sometimes a player will go to a team or a team will go to a player and say, hey, this is what's about to happen. Maybe the team will say, we're going to waive you, but you can find a trade.
A player might say, hey, listen, I would like to be traded. And they go, okay, find a trade partner. We're not going to do the legwork. You can do it, but we're not going to do it. Yada, yada, yada. So all this to say, or I'm sorry. He followed it up with, I wonder if Shador is going to the Browns and saying, I want an opportunity somewhere else, or are the Browns saying, hey, we are going to make Dylan active coming up here in a couple weeks and we're going to waive you if you can't find a trade. That's the speculation. So just a lot of quotes in there. But I just all this to say, I mean, what do you guys think? You think that there's smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire. Do you think it just is heavy happened. He just happened to think it was time for an agent?
[00:35:02] Kenny Thunder: I mean, I tend to try to stay objective about these things.
You know, the Browns have not indicated any intent to trade Shador. In fact, they've doubled down on saying that they like his progress and, you know, they're excited about his future. And that is almost a stark contrast to kind of where they've been.
So they've kind of been positively reinforcing the relationship with Shador.
[00:35:27] Ronnie Jams: That's just coming from, like, Mary Kay, who, you know, mouthpiece of the Browns, typically, you know, it just.
[00:35:33] Kenny Thunder: It would be really easy for them to distance themselves from him right now because one, it's bad PR because everybody's talking about Shador, wants to see Shador, and nobody likes Deshaun Watson, so it would be easy for them to stay mum and just not talk about it. So the fact that they're coming out and intentionally delivering that message tells me that I think there is some idea in the building that he will play for them at some point and is maybe a part of at least the mix of what's going to be here for the next year or two.
You know, I think I heard other local guys talking about this today, that we're talking more about this just being kind of the, you know, as his professional career goes on, development wise, like it makes sense to have an agent in the event anything does come up and to continue building his portfolio and just make sure he's doing things the right way, which probably, given his experience to this point, he would say he wished things maybe had gone differently to this point, and maybe an agent would have steered the ship differently for him. So I don't think it's interesting anything that, like, should cause panic for Browns fans and Shador fans especially right now. I'm sure there's actually a. Probably a large contingent of Shador fans that would like to see the Browns moving on from Shador and have him get a chance to play somewhere else, but. Yeah, but I. I guess I'm just not looking that far into it right now.
I mean, I get it. I get what the noise. Because it does suck that he's kind of sitting behind desean. Everybody kind of thought he'd be playing at this point, and he isn't.
And really no end in sight. I also don't know that, like, this isn't a good thing for Shador. Not the agent or anything else, but just him not playing at this point because we just saw that offensive line surrender eight sacks. We know there is no running game to be found here yet. This team has a lot of young players and a lot of young talent, and it's trending in the right direction, but they're not there yet. So maybe when this is more of a finished product and maybe once we get beyond, like, the bye week, if desean starts to falter and doesn't play that well, it would be a better, more advantageous position for him to come in and maybe finish the season on a strong note with a group that is gelled and building some chemistry together, especially with this young wide receiver room. So I just. I think, like, patience is a virtue for him at this point. I think, you know, stay the course, let these things play out. We talked on a recent show about guys like Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, like, guys that had the chance to kind of sit and hold the clipboard, like, do the stereotypical. Prototypical quarterback development trail, and it worked out for them.
[00:38:00] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:38:00] Kenny Thunder: So I just. But from. From just the. The story about an agent, like, I don't know. I. I don't know that it's. I don't. I think it's really easy to talk about Shador Sanders because no one wants to talk about Deshaun Watson, and we don't anticipate him being a part of the future. And Shador is a much bigger story. He gets media clicks. He gets, you know, reels watched. So I Think it's easy to talk about him?
[00:38:22] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. So I got a couple things here. One that, that last part is, is it's, it's just amazing and it's just furthers that, that narrative. Like literally he doesn't have to do anything out of the ordinary. He just does anything and everybody writes a story about it as soon as he does it. Yeah. So that's just wild.
[00:38:41] Kenny Thunder: But I mean, if Jaleel McLaughlin had signed an agent this week, nobody would it be news?
[00:38:45] Ronnie Jams: No, nobody cares.
And number two.
Number two, who does? Anyways, my second point here is just that I, I tend to think kind of the opposite of what, what the speculation is is.
I'm almost thinking he. To your point, the Browns have said that he's developing well. They, they're happy with his development under Todd Monkin and where he's at right now. And on the flip side of that, you look at the crop of quarterbacks coming up and how as time goes on, they're not looking as shiny as they once did.
You know, there's not that clear cut, number one guy in the draft anymore that you want to chase after. And so if that's the case, maybe there's starting to be a shift internally with the Browns where they're like, you know, maybe that's the route we take because we don't like the quarterbacks in next year's draft. And in turn, if that's being even, even slightly portrayed to or relayed to Shador Sanders, maybe he's gearing up for like his next contract with the Browns potentially, where he's like, you know, I could be coming in, in a good situation next year compared to where he was last year with the team and playing with them, where we do have a young roster, a young talented roster, we're kind of more established under Todd Monkin. Things are going well. Like everything's going in the right direction now. I come in and take over and things can go well. And now you're gearing up for another contract.
[00:40:16] Kenny Thunder: I think that's a really good point too because I think the conventional wisdom is you're on your rook and there's nothing to do right now. But I think that if you are looking towards the future, knowing you're not maybe going to play for a little while here, but you are on a deal that's going to keep you in Cleveland presumably, and you will get the chance to play at some point, you want to start building that relationship with your agent so that when that time comes, either to be dealt Maybe way into the future or to rework your next contract. You don't want to be doing that at the last minute.
[00:40:47] Speaker C: Right.
[00:40:47] Kenny Thunder: I think that would be. Be the fail in that scenario is if, I mean, let's say he gets the reins next year and comes out and has an awesome season and is the brown starter for the foreseeable future.
You don't want to be going into your, your final contract, you're scrambling to find an agent and going, hey, like we got to start working to make sure that we can get me the best deal possible because it looks like I'm going to be here a while. Like that would be a fail to not be prepared for that moment.
[00:41:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:15] Ronnie Jams: Bone, any thoughts on this?
[00:41:18] Speaker D: I mean you guys listed a lot of variables there, so I think it just makes practical sense to have an agent.
I was just like curious how many players in the NFL have agents? Mostly it literally said 100%. It said there might be like three or four high profile players who might not. I mean it was like Lamar Jackson, Roquan Smith, Bobby Wagner, Lamy Tunsil was a few that were named that didn't.
[00:41:38] Kenny Thunder: But, but it's a handful out of
[00:41:40] Speaker D: the hundreds and I don't know, thousands of NFL players.
[00:41:42] Ronnie Jams: Well, you're an NFL player. Do you want to, I mean you're supposed to be working your craft to being the best you could be. Do you actually want to sit there sifting through the details of contract?
[00:41:51] Speaker D: So as you said, yeah, having an agent really isn't that big of news. But since it's Shador Sanders, it's, it's, it's huge news.
[00:41:57] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, well.
[00:41:58] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, well. And I think, right, like when you look at guys like Andrew Barry and the guys that are in this front office. Guys and gals. Sorry, the people that are in the front office, a lot of these guys are, especially in the Browns front office, Harvard educated lawyers.
Like, do you want to be a kid that's fresh out of college trying to negotiate a contract or do anything? Like that's just not your world. Right. Like you have enough on your plate as an athlete to believe you went through the draft.
[00:42:24] Ronnie Jams: Like, and I guess that's why this is even a little bit of a story. But like it again it just like at some point it makes more sense to get an agent like there. So there's never going to be good timing of it if you do it anywhere within that first contract. I guess like there's always going to be the speculation and I think it's
[00:42:42] Kenny Thunder: probably a sign of Maturity and growth. Because again, I think he probably is looking at his career to this point going okay. Something didn't go quite right here. I mean, I went from being maybe a first round pick to barely getting selected. Now I'm not getting playing time or even practice reps, you know, and there was, there was, I think higher expectations from everyone in his camp, especially that he would be playing at some point. And the fans are clamoring to see him and you know, they want to sell legendary shirts and pants and shoes and everything else. So I think it's probably just a sign of growth that he's. Somebody got to him, whether it was his dad or whether, you know, he's tight with Travis Hunter. Maybe that conversation, those conversations prompted him
[00:43:23] Ronnie Jams: to say that's the other thing is he signed with Travis Hunter's agent. So like sense, maybe they were just hanging out one day and Travis Henner and they literally had a conversation that went like this. Like Shador Sanders starts talk to him like, oh, we're talking about like potentially this is the path that may happen with the Browns. What are we going to do next?
You know, as far as the next cop, contract, whatever, you know, what do you think, Travis? I don't know. I don't deal with that stuff. I have an agent and I think,
[00:43:49] Kenny Thunder: I think the final.
[00:43:50] Ronnie Jams: That's he's like, that sounds like a good idea. I should probably. Yeah.
[00:43:53] Kenny Thunder: I think the final piece of this that people probably aren't thinking about enough is one is, well, is everybody is talking about contract and everybody's talking about this playing time.
An agent does a lot more than that for you, right? When you're talking about endorsement deals and future contracts. And so again, if they're seeing long term futures here, I will get a chance to play.
[00:44:13] Speaker E: Play.
[00:44:13] Kenny Thunder: You want to have all your guys in place so that when Snickers calls or auto Trader calls or whoever calls,
[00:44:20] Ronnie Jams: even, even the local car dealerships and all that like that, you think Shador has time to just go out there and like sift through all his phone calls from dealerships and everything? Like all these other opportunities, I mean
[00:44:30] Kenny Thunder: deals like that to get done with your progressives of the world and your allstates of the world and your bud lights of the world, they go through their agent. Those don't happen overnight. They don't just call you and they're like, hey, you want a bag full of cash? Cash and we'll put you on tv. Like, no. Like those things are negotiated, pre negotiated well ahead of time. And so if you have an agent that can start making those phone calls, putting out those feelers, hey, this guy's a hot commodity. He's going. We already know he gets clicks. He's popular with fans. When he gets the chance to play, you're going to want to capitalize on this. Those things have to happen ahead of time. And I think that's probably more or less what makes sense just, again, objectively, rationally, for Shador at this point, other than. Rather than I need to get out of Cleveland or I need to find a new place to play. Play.
[00:45:11] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. After I just said I think. I think that's legitimately what happened. He was hanging out with Travis Hunter in the off season or whenever, and
[00:45:16] Kenny Thunder: he was like, probably playing FIFA, they
[00:45:18] Ronnie Jams: were talking about, like, all their different endorsement deals or whatever the case may be, and Shador was like, yeah, negotiating this, doing this, whatever. And Travis Hunter's like, I don't do that stuff.
So anyways, next up here, Harold Fannin Jr. Or as Bone likes to call
[00:45:35] Kenny Thunder: him, Harold Fanning, Dakota Fanny's brother.
[00:45:37] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Leads all NFL tight ends and wide receivers with five points. Point three yards of separation.
[00:45:44] Kenny Thunder: An average of 5.3 yards of separation.
[00:45:48] Ronnie Jams: That's like a mile in the NFL, a country mile.
[00:45:51] Kenny Thunder: The windows are so small, but this guy is wide open every time. And Deshawn apparently can't think about that.
[00:45:57] Ronnie Jams: If he has 5.3 yards of separation, that's like, in any direction. So that's like. Yeah, he has. You got a 10.6 yard window to throw into.
[00:46:07] Kenny Thunder: It's a big diameter.
[00:46:08] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. It's wild.
[00:46:09] Kenny Thunder: And that's an average. Right. So there's sometimes there's some place. There's some plays where he is covered, and that means on some place, he has 7, 8, 9, 10 yards of separation.
[00:46:17] Ronnie Jams: That's insane. Is.
[00:46:18] Speaker D: Is there just like two or three, like, outliers that just, like, blew his radius up or something? You know what I mean? Like, on a broken play where it
[00:46:26] Kenny Thunder: was just like, got to think yards of separation.
[00:46:28] Ronnie Jams: So I think it's. It's. It's measured on, like, routes that he's run where somebody's trying to cover.
[00:46:32] Kenny Thunder: And you got to think other receivers have those same outliers.
[00:46:35] Speaker D: Right.
[00:46:35] Kenny Thunder: There's other times where guys are just wide open for no reason or blown coverage. Right. So they would be. It's all part of the same sample size. So either he's A, not a part of the game plan or B, should desean can't see him.
[00:46:48] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:46:48] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Well, and that was my next question. It begs the question, why not more receptions and why not more yards?
Especially with, like you said, Casey Concepcion going down this week. So.
[00:46:57] Kenny Thunder: Well, you would have thought, at least in the jets game, like, he would have been a huge part of. Instead of trying to flex the ball,
[00:47:02] Ronnie Jams: especially if KC was supposed to be the focal point of the offense this week, which it looked like it was going that way. He had touched the ball several times already on that first drive. And so from there, you have to shift somewhat somewhere. Why not shift to the guy that's wide open on every play and that's
[00:47:16] Kenny Thunder: been in practice all week?
[00:47:17] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
Next up here, desean Watson had Isaiah Bonds back after everyone talking. Fans were upset with him because of the drops this past week. So he kind of came out. I don't. I don't know what the quote was exactly, but it was along the lines of, like, look, he. He played hard for us. He stepped up. He didn't get a lot of reps in practice week before, but he did his job and he did what we need him to do. We were in that game partly because. Because of Isaiah Bond.
[00:47:42] Kenny Thunder: He basically said, like, KC was a big part of the game plan, and he got all the reps this week. And so for Isaiah Bond to step up the way he did is encouraging. Which, look, there's. There's not a lot of leadership qualities that we've seen about DeSean Watson in his time here in Cleveland. I thought this was kind of a nice shred of humanity that he displayed to at least go to bat for his teammate. Because Isaiah Bonds had a rough week.
There were a lot of people mad about the. The big drop, especially at the end of the game. Guys, drops, drops happen. I.
[00:48:11] Ronnie Jams: And I just want to throw this out there. Like, I understand. Like, I was mad in real time, too, because you're an NFL receiver, but at the same time, like, it. It wasn't just raining. It was like, torrential downpour the entire game. Like, it was just a tsunami.
[00:48:24] Speaker C: Well, right.
[00:48:25] Speaker D: And.
[00:48:25] Kenny Thunder: And. And, like, I don't like it either. Right. I don't like it when I run.
[00:48:27] Ronnie Jams: He wasn't the only one that dropped ball.
[00:48:29] Kenny Thunder: Like, that was my.
[00:48:29] Ronnie Jams: Most teams were dropping balls.
[00:48:31] Kenny Thunder: Denzel Boston dropped the ball. I think we got away with it because there was a PI. On. On it, but he still dropped the ball that was in his hands. I think Jerry Judy dropped the ball. So, like, other guys were dropping balls.
[00:48:38] Ronnie Jams: And.
[00:48:39] Kenny Thunder: And it was across Both teams, because it was really, really rainy and poor conditions for a passing offense anyway. But I, I think the other thing is, is what are your expectations for Isaiah Bond? Because the last time I checked, he wasn't signed to be a possession guy. He was signed to be the stretch the field guy. Right. Like his role in this offense up until this point has been, I'm a mismatch, I'm a speed guy. I'm gonna take the top off.
[00:49:03] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[00:49:04] Kenny Thunder: And you know, you get those targets one, two times a game. You're not the guy that's running crossers, trying to move the chains. Like, that's just not even his game. So the fact that you' thrust into that situation, thrust and, and, and start your, your all of a sudden, the whole offense, like it's a tall order for anybody.
[00:49:21] Ronnie Jams: And he's short.
[00:49:22] Kenny Thunder: He's short.
[00:49:23] Ronnie Jams: So yeah, it's tough.
[00:49:24] Kenny Thunder: I just think like people were really hard on him for, for no reason this week. Like, I, I, I don't like it either that he dropped a big pass, but come on, guys. Like, it's Isaiah, but it's not Justin Jefferson out there. No, it's Isaiah Bond and he, and he was the leading receiver for the team this week.
[00:49:41] Ronnie Jams: World beaters here in Cleveland. We get, you know, drop a ball, get him out of here, get him out of here.
Anyways, you, we, you know, that whole point of that was Deshaun Watson and his leadership. While Deshaun Watson and Quinn Sean Judkins were fined for a smoking gesture that they made when celebrating a touchdown this past week.
[00:49:58] Kenny Thunder: Two things. I think it's soft on the NFL.
[00:50:00] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. I mean, I'm jokingly saying this in contrast with the leadership things. I think it's stupid.
[00:50:07] Kenny Thunder: No, agreed though, but I, but I also think there is a scientific point there which is just a general laugh. Lack of self awareness by Deshaun Watson again. Right on.
[00:50:15] Ronnie Jams: Judkins. I'll throw him in there too. He's had his run in with the, with the law as well.
[00:50:18] Kenny Thunder: So I mean, you just got to be smarter than that. Right? Like, it's just they're, they're, the league sends memos all off season long, all season long. Here's the things you can do. They, they literally litigate the type of socks and the colors of socks that they're allowed to wear on game day. Right. So like, you know, if you do things that are outside the bounds, you're going to get fined and with everything
[00:50:37] Ronnie Jams: else, like you're, you shouldn't do anything Wrong.
[00:50:40] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, just. Just don't. Just don't do it. Right. I mean, in this case, it wasn't like it led to a personal foul or unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, so they didn't
[00:50:48] Ronnie Jams: catch it on the field.
[00:50:48] Speaker C: So.
[00:50:49] Kenny Thunder: But, you know, it's still. It's still dumb. And it's one of those things that if you were one of those guys that does have a history, especially disciplinary league history, like, what do you just. Just stop doing dumb stuff.
[00:51:00] Ronnie Jams: Just don't do it. But that'll be all for the Browns brief. Let's go ahead and get into the division roundup.
All right, so for the division roundup, we'll start with Cincinnati. They beat the dolphins 31, 24. I'm still in my survivor league, Kenny. Are you?
[00:51:24] Kenny Thunder: No. Dallas really got me this week.
[00:51:27] Ronnie Jams: We were all right there. That wasn't a hard one to pick. I don't know why you didn't go with them, but to be fair, like
[00:51:32] Kenny Thunder: the DraftKings guy said, Dallas had a 99% probability of winning this week, so
[00:51:37] Ronnie Jams: he really lost you that one. He did. Next up, Baltimore beat the falcons in overtime, 30 to 23. We were all wrong there. We all picked the Falcons knowing that Lamar Jackson was going to be out. So to be fair,
[00:51:51] Kenny Thunder: Kevin Stefanski was kind of delivered in that moment by the 734th injury to Michael Penck, which really just kind of messed everything up there.
[00:52:00] Ronnie Jams: So fair.
Next up, Pittsburgh beat the Colts soundly, 34 to 22. I was the only one that was wrong here.
This is that Jekyll and Hyde.
[00:52:12] Kenny Thunder: It feels bad.
[00:52:13] Ronnie Jams: It does feel bad. Just shut your mouth. Shut your mouth over there.
But this is the Jekyll and Hyde we keep talking about. Like, it. I have no idea who I'm getting each week here, so good job on you guys picking, right? But I. I feel like I am so confused on who these teams are right right now.
And then finally, Cleveland lost to the Jets, 17 to 12. Real dumb score, by the way. And we were all wrong.
So for the AFC north standings, they are as follows. Baltimore is at 4 and 1, Cleveland's at 3 and 2. Pittsburgh's at 3 and 2, Cincinnati's at 3 and 2. And then the current king of the north standings, you and Kenny, you and Bone are tied at 10 and 8. And I am way behind right now, which feels really bad. I'm starting to.
Starting to pucker up a little bit here, but I'm at 7 and 11. I've never been this far under 500 ever. In King of the North. So I'm pretty scared.
[00:53:06] Kenny Thunder: The gap is widening.
[00:53:07] Ronnie Jams: I don't know how you do this week in and week out every year, just being last place constantly.
[00:53:13] Kenny Thunder: Somebody has to.
[00:53:15] Ronnie Jams: Well, it's me right now, and I don't like it. So with that, let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, first up here, Bill's defensive lineman Bradley Chubb got punched in the face by a Larry Johnson of the Rams or Jackson alert. Jackson of the Rams. So did you guys see this?
[00:53:45] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:53:45] Ronnie Jams: Pregame, postgame, was it post game? Post game. They're just like talking at midfield and then all of a sudden just pop.
[00:53:52] Kenny Thunder: Yeah. I mean, it was an emotional end to that game because the Rams had the thicker kicker, missed a field goal.
[00:54:01] Ronnie Jams: He's fired now.
I didn't even put that in the. Around the NFL, but he's fired.
[00:54:05] Kenny Thunder: And then Josh Allen led them down the field and in a surprising move,
[00:54:08] Ronnie Jams: thicker kicker got fired and then he got exposed for being a Gooner.
[00:54:11] Kenny Thunder: That's true. Yeah. He's apparently following a lot of Instagram models.
[00:54:15] Ronnie Jams: Sorry, go on.
[00:54:16] Kenny Thunder: But.
But it was kind of. I mean, it was just a dramatic end to that game where LA really kind of thought they were going to win and then had stolen defeat from the jaws of victory there.
[00:54:28] Ronnie Jams: They really browsed it up.
[00:54:29] Kenny Thunder: They really browsed it up. So I don't know what was said or what happened because it otherwise looked like relatively calm after the game, but those two were definitely getting into it. And I just, again, general lack of self awareness. Like, you can't. You can't swing a closed fist in the NFL ever.
[00:54:43] Ronnie Jams: You shouldn't punch me.
[00:54:44] Kenny Thunder: So bad idea.
[00:54:45] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
Jackson suspended two games there. So next up here, Marvin Harrison Jr. Has been traded to the Texans and reunites with C.J.
[00:54:53] Kenny Thunder: stroud.
[00:54:55] Ronnie Jams: Didn't see this coming.
[00:54:57] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
Interesting.
[00:54:59] Ronnie Jams: This whole. His whole journey with the Cardinals has been interesting because it feels like. I just don't know how you go from being that good to basically nothing happening for you with the offense. Like, I feel like there's a disconnect. Like it's. I don't think it's all like, he's that bad. I think there has to be a disconnect with the team or the coaches or whatever the case may.
[00:55:21] Kenny Thunder: Haven't had very good quarterbacks. You've had head coach turnover, and it's just not an organization that, I mean, they had a little run with with Fitz there and Kurt Warner, but otherwise, like, it's not like it's an overly successful NFL franchise.
[00:55:35] Ronnie Jams: They're basically the Browns of the West.
[00:55:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:55:39] Kenny Thunder: Kind of.
Interesting move, though. Interesting timing for the Texans at 1 and 4.
It's not like they're blowing anybody's doors off. I mean, maybe that's part of the reason they feel like they needed help on offense. And maybe there will be some chemistry there with C.J. stroud. We'll see.
But I don't know. I mean, I would. I like. You don't. To your point, like, you don't forget how to catch the football or how to be a wide receiver. So something is off in the chemistry there.
[00:56:04] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
Next up here.
[00:56:06] Speaker C: There.
[00:56:07] Ronnie Jams: Bony. You have any thoughts on Marvin Harrison?
[00:56:09] Speaker C: No.
[00:56:09] Speaker D: I'm excited for him. I think it.
I don't think it's going to hurt. I don't know. I would expect him to have a bigger impact with the Houston Texans.
[00:56:18] Ronnie Jams: The familiarity with C.J. stroud is going to help him.
[00:56:21] Kenny Thunder: I would have liked to have him here.
[00:56:23] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Anyways, next up here, there are eight teams who have won zero or one game. The Rams are two and three. Currently, the Browns hold pick number 17, and the Rams pick is number 13.
[00:56:38] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I mean, a lot can change, obviously, between now and the end of the year, but I think this is a very different reality than most Browns fans had planned for.
Everybody's had their eye.
[00:56:46] Ronnie Jams: I mean, the Rams are Super bowl favorites.
[00:56:48] Kenny Thunder: Everybody's had their eye on a quarterback in the draft. And all of a sudden, even if you combine both of those picks, you're probably not getting to one or two or even three. Maybe three.
[00:56:59] Ronnie Jams: I don't think you're getting a three.
[00:57:00] Speaker D: But.
[00:57:00] Kenny Thunder: But that. I mean, top five seems like a virtual impossibility at this point.
And like you said, some of those teams are over.
[00:57:08] Speaker D: So,
[00:57:11] Kenny Thunder: I mean, again, thinking about all the tumblers falling into place, like, are the Browns going to continue on some path with the Sean Watson? Does Shador need an agent? Because things are coming and he's going to get to play.
It feels like quarterback would be a reach for the Browns at this point in the draft. And unless things change considerably between now and then.
[00:57:31] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
And speaking of the Rams and that trade, we'll go to the Miles Garrett tracker. Just because we haven't done it yet this season. Miles Garrett still injured. So a plan. Yeah. That's where Myles Garrett is.
[00:57:46] Kenny Thunder: Aaron Donald is, though.
[00:57:48] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. And while we're. While we're on trackers here, let's flip things over to the Kevin Stefanski tracker.
[00:57:53] Kenny Thunder: Oh, boy.
[00:57:54] Ronnie Jams: Atlanta lost again. People Thought Kevin could coach for a minute. Kenny set him straight in the live recording on. On Sunday night after the game.
He had a big lead in this one and blew it and lost. And we're right back where we always have been. Kevin's not a very good coach.
[00:58:08] Kenny Thunder: Kevin Stavanski sucks.
[00:58:10] Ronnie Jams: And, you know, basically what I gathered was that they need to get better, and they will get better.
[00:58:17] Kenny Thunder: They need to coach better, play better, do all the things better.
[00:58:21] Ronnie Jams: And they will get better, and they will do it eventually.
[00:58:24] Kenny Thunder: Eventually.
[00:58:25] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. So next up here, Caleb Williams is looking like he's back for the Bears. I'm. I'm thinking I'm back.
[00:58:31] Kenny Thunder: I'm thinking I'm back.
[00:58:32] Ronnie Jams: And this is after being carted off a couple weeks ago with that devastating Grade two hamstring strain.
[00:58:40] Kenny Thunder: Hurt his back.
[00:58:41] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Wasn't good. So I think he's going to be back this week.
Next up, growing debate around Colts owner Carly Ursay Gordon. Gordon being on the sideline and listening on the headset and taking notes during games.
Anybody have thoughts on this? I just. Yeah. So, I mean, what are you guys thoughts on. On Carly Ursay Gordon?
[00:59:02] Kenny Thunder: I can't even figure out why this is a debate at all. I mean, she owns a team. Jim Ursay obviously was a longtime owner. She's new to that with his passing.
But to me, this just feels like information gathering. Gathering.
I don't think she's on the sideline calling plays or making decisions. She's just shadowing to get a better understanding of her, her coaches, how they're managing the games. I think this all help you make more informed decisions as you move on.
And you maybe have to make coaching decisions to understand how one guy does it versus another, how they're reacting in critical moments of the game. And, and you're signing the checks. So I think at the point that you pay for it all, you pretty much get to do whatever the hell you. You want.
[00:59:46] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, well. And I, I just, I mean, yeah, 100. But I also just like, you don't think a couple things. You don't think these other owners have the same information? Like, just because she likes to gather it real time, like the other owners, I'm sure have access to that same information. They're just gathering it in a different way. So what does it matter how they're getting the information?
[01:00:05] Kenny Thunder: I mean, I'd like to think that if Jimmy Haslam were on the field for the last 10 years, he might have done things differently.
[01:00:11] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, well, hearing.
[01:00:13] Kenny Thunder: If he'd have been hearing Kevin's. The Stefanski's thought process exposed him a lot earlier.
[01:00:17] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. This is one of my other thoughts, though, is Jimmy Haslam bought an NFL franchise because he's super rich from something else.
[01:00:28] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, it's a toy.
[01:00:30] Ronnie Jams: Carly Ursay Gordon was born and raised in football.
[01:00:35] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[01:00:35] Ronnie Jams: Like, this is all she knows. This is what she does. She grew up in the organization, around the organization. She was there all the time. Time. Like, she loves football, first of all. And second, she said, even though she, she, she admitted, she said, even though I love football, I have a lower level understanding of it. I have a basic understanding of it.
And so, like, if this is how you can, you know, learn on the fly and kind of entrench yourself as far as having it just around you at all times to kind of learn by osmosis almost, why would you not do that again?
[01:01:12] Kenny Thunder: I'd like to think that if Jimmy Haslam were doing that, he would have done things differently.
[01:01:16] Ronnie Jams: And so back to Jimmy Haslam, like, he has this other stuff. He ain't got time to stand on the sideline every Sunday to, To sit there and listen everything. He, like, to your point, he probably would benefit from it.
[01:01:27] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:01:28] Ronnie Jams: But he has other things going on.
[01:01:30] Kenny Thunder: I mean, I think it's kind of cool, to be honest. Like, I just, I don't know. I. As long as she's not interfering with game day operations, I don't see what the, what the harm is in her listening and getting a better understanding of everything that, that she's paying for.
[01:01:42] Ronnie Jams: Right. Well, and I guess to further that, like, if something does go catastrophically wrong and you're like, why the would you do that?
I have a fifth grade understanding of football and I know not to do that. Like, at that point you could hold people accountable and say, like, what is wrong with you?
[01:02:00] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[01:02:01] Ronnie Jams: So I don't, I don't know. Like, I just, I think it's much to do about Much Ado about nothing.
[01:02:06] Kenny Thunder: Much Ado about nothing.
[01:02:07] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, it's.
And again, she's the owner. Who gives a shit? Like, it's her team.
[01:02:11] Kenny Thunder: Yeah. That's the way I look at it. I'm like, if it's. If you're signing the paychecks, like I
[01:02:15] Ronnie Jams: think you get to do, if you guys don't want her roaming the sidelines, why don't you go buy the team and you can sit up in your box and not. And not go down on the sideline?
[01:02:22] Kenny Thunder: I mean, if I owned the Browns, you can bet your ass I'd be Down, like be involved in everything.
[01:02:27] Ronnie Jams: Hell yeah.
[01:02:28] Kenny Thunder: All the time.
[01:02:28] Ronnie Jams: Hell yeah.
So, yeah, I just, I don't know. Just. Just one of your thoughts on it. Because it does seem to be gaining steam like every week. Everybody's mad about her being on the sideline.
[01:02:37] Kenny Thunder: I think partly too. And like, I don't want to go down like gender and sex thing, but. But I do think because she's a female, it draws more eyes than like when Arthur Blank is on the sidelines for the Falcons, which he is often. Yeah, Like I just for whatever reason, like, she draws more eyes.
[01:02:53] Ronnie Jams: She's.
[01:02:54] Kenny Thunder: She's not only a female, she's a younger female. Like, I just, I don't know if that's part of what's playing into people asking questions about it.
[01:03:01] Ronnie Jams: I think that's legit because, yeah, it's. It's just like an Arthur Blank or Robert down on the sidelines.
[01:03:08] Kenny Thunder: Different than seeing an 80 year old man down there.
[01:03:10] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Just whatever. Anyways, next up here, tweets of the week from Antonio Brown. This has become a thing, I guess, but there was Antonio Brown tweets. There were some more good ones this week. Kenny, what do you have for us?
[01:03:26] Kenny Thunder: So in response to Odell Beckham Jr. Signing with the Vikings, Antonio Brown writes stolen more checks than daycare owners in Minnesota.
[01:03:38] Speaker D: This is his new shtick.
[01:03:39] Kenny Thunder: He's a chemist. Median.
What's the next one here?
College chicks are so effing hot. I mean, so hot. Hotter than before.
[01:03:51] Ronnie Jams: What is this in response to? Like, these. It's been like six weeks in a row.
[01:03:57] Kenny Thunder: I think it was like college game day.
[01:03:58] Ronnie Jams: Camera guys are getting caught zooming in on.
[01:04:01] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, the FBI needs to investigate Madison Beer's box for draining Herbert's football powers. Like, it is Space Jam.
There was one more World. Wow. The other one. Go. There was one more really good one. I can't find it. This one I get. Maybe it wasn't worth the wait. If Hulu and Disney plus are combined, why do I still have to pay for both?
[01:04:28] Ronnie Jams: That's a fair question. That's a fair question.
[01:04:30] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah.
[01:04:31] Kenny Thunder: So those are your tweets of the week from our good friend Antonio Brown.
[01:04:34] Ronnie Jams: It is weird. They like combined them into one one app, but in order to have access to the one, you still have to pay for both.
[01:04:40] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I don't understand either.
[01:04:42] Ronnie Jams: I think also it ruined the Disney plus app. Like, the Disney plus app was so simple and now that they brought everything else into it, it's really complicated.
[01:04:51] Kenny Thunder: And I think in my case, I think I'm paying for Hulu twice and Disney plus, so you need that.
[01:04:56] Ronnie Jams: I'm not doing great advertising for the thing that goes and searches all your.
[01:05:00] Kenny Thunder: All my apps, turns off my subscriptions.
[01:05:03] Ronnie Jams: You need that?
[01:05:03] Kenny Thunder: I do need that.
[01:05:05] Ronnie Jams: And then my last note of the. Of our trip around the NFL, the Eagles offense is ass. So that's all I got, is just really ass.
[01:05:16] Kenny Thunder: Yeah. Agreed.
[01:05:18] Ronnie Jams: I saw a thing the other day that Saquon Barkley owners are among, like, they have, like, the worst records of everybody in fantasy football this year.
[01:05:29] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[01:05:29] Ronnie Jams: So feels bad for those guys.
[01:05:31] Kenny Thunder: Jalen Hurts is hot and cold.
[01:05:32] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Luckily I had another quarterback on my roster because he's one of my dudes
[01:05:36] Kenny Thunder: and he's one of my dudes.
[01:05:38] Ronnie Jams: He's not my dude this year. He's really bad.
But, yeah, that's it. So, Kenny, you know what it's time for?
[01:05:44] Kenny Thunder: No idea.
[01:05:45] Ronnie Jams: Let's do an interview.
[01:05:46] Kenny Thunder: All right.
What do you say we interview you?
[01:05:53] Speaker C: All right.
[01:05:53] Kenny Thunder: Yes.
[01:05:53] Speaker C: That's a sometimes useful exercise. Please put your hand in.
[01:05:57] Ronnie Jams: Go ahead.
[01:05:58] Kenny Thunder: How much money do you make a year before taxes?
[01:06:03] Speaker C: I'm actually not comfortable answering that.
[01:06:05] Speaker E: Come on.
[01:06:06] Speaker C: We're doing the interview now, not you. Okay.
[01:06:11] Ronnie Jams: All right. For this Browns backers interview, please help me welcome, hailing from Corner Bar in Austinburg, Ohio, the president of the 440-Browns backers, Jared.
Jared, thank you so much for joining us. How are you today?
[01:06:28] Speaker C: Hey, I'm doing good, man. How are you guys?
[01:06:31] Ronnie Jams: Good. Good, good.
Listen, I understand you guys are a newer chapter. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your chapter out there?
[01:06:39] Speaker C: Yeah, so actually we started up during the COVID season.
In the 2021 season.
[01:06:47] Speaker E: We.
[01:06:49] Speaker C: We started up very small.
We.
We grew into a larger chap.
Wasn't the president of the chapter at the time.
Someone else was doing it. They decided to step down and step away.
I decided to step in and step up.
I took over as the 440-Browns backers and we became official with the Cleveland Browns in 2023.
We are located out in Austinburg, Ohio. It's about. About. It's about 50, 55 minutes east of Cleveland.
Take Route 90 all the way east. You keep going past Geneva out there in Austinburg.
[01:07:37] Ronnie Jams: Not quite to ash Tabula.
[01:07:40] Speaker C: Not quite.
Not quite to ash Tabula. No. I love to hear the Cleveland Browns try to pronounce that during. During the off season. But no, just before Ashabulah.
And we are at the one and only Corner bar.
It's on the corner of Route 307 and Route 45.
[01:08:04] Ronnie Jams: I thought it would be, like, right in the middle of a street, but
[01:08:06] Kenny Thunder: it's not the middle.
[01:08:07] Speaker C: Right on the corner. Right?
[01:08:08] Ronnie Jams: Makes sense. Yeah, corner makes sense.
[01:08:10] Speaker C: Right. Right on the corner. Right on the corner. No, it's. It's been there for a while.
You wouldn't expect it to be what it is, but it's a nice, welcoming bar.
We. We're there every single game, whether it be Sunday, whether it be Monday, whether it be Thursday morning.
Last year, we had our. Our London game. We were out there 9am we did a sausage gravy and biscuit cook off. That was great. That was.
Oh, yes. Yes. There was like.
[01:08:43] Ronnie Jams: Oh, yeah.
[01:08:47] Speaker C: Who doesn't? Who doesn't? There was at least eight or nine.
Eight or nine different crock pots of sausage gravy.
And we. We usually. We usually do something like that every year. Whether it be that or our.
Our annual chili cook off.
We're always doing something. Every game. We always meet up.
[01:09:07] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, for sure. So.
No, that's. That's awesome. How many. How many members are you guys up to?
[01:09:14] Speaker C: Well, on the Browns Backers Worldwide website, we have a. Official 73 members signed up, usually on a. On a good day. Depends on how the Browns are doing, if we're winning, losing, but we usually pack the bar.
I would say we have 20 to 30 members that show up every game.
We. We have the bar filled up, the bar area, the dining room areas filled up. All the TVs are on, and we have a good time.
[01:09:49] Ronnie Jams: Nice. Do you have any.
You know, obviously the Ravens are in town this week. Do you guys have any events coming coming up?
[01:09:58] Speaker C: We have a lot of events, so once a month, we do a fundraiser for a local nonprofit in the county of Ashtabula, hence the 440- Brownsbackers. That's our area code, so we like to keep it in the county.
So for just example, in a. In a. September. September, we did a fundraiser for the local dog warden out here. They just started up a new.
I would say a new rescue area.
And they. They just started up. So we reached out to them, asked if they needed any help, anything that, you know, could. Could be used for the dogs in the area that were in unfortunate situations.
And our group pulls together. We raise money, donations, we raise blankets, we raise food, we raise toys, all kinds of things that they would need.
We did that in September. We do that once a month. This month in October, we're doing a fundraiser event. For Maddox and Friends Cat rescue.
They are a cat rescue in Conneaut, Ohio. That does great work.
They anything that. That can be done that they try to do for cats in the area.
[01:11:34] Ronnie Jams: And then we like helping out cats. All except for Bengals. That's the only ones we don't.
[01:11:38] Speaker C: The Bengals. Yes. Any other cats and special Jaguars earlier this year.
Yeah.
With November, we reach out to some sort of, you know, veteran foundation, Whether it be Save 22, the local Ashabila county veterans distribution up there in Ashabila, we reach out to them.
And then in December, we tried to sponsor some families for Christmas. So we tried to do something with one, you know, one per month during the Brown season. And then every week we're doing some sort of raffle, whether it be a signed item by a current Browns member, past Browns member, or, you know, any other sorts of odds and ends Brown things that you can think of.
[01:12:28] Ronnie Jams: Nice.
Nice. No. Yeah.
I love hearing the stories about different charities and everything that the Browns backers are working with because, you know, you said you have, you know, 73 members. I think you said officially, but you have 30, 40 people coming to the games and then fill in the rest of the bar and everybody coming together to give to those, you know, those charities and those causes locally is awesome.
[01:12:54] Speaker C: Yeah. So again, it just became a very good feeling to give back.
Being a young person, like I am being a president of the backers, you know, it's taught me a lot, a lot of. A lot of valuable lessons on giving back to the community.
It's been very rewarding.
[01:13:14] Ronnie Jams: Speaking of you being a young person, how does one get such a position of power at such a young age?
[01:13:20] Speaker C: Well, again, I mean, when the previous president kind of just stepped away, nobody kind of took over. Nobody stepped up. And I love the Browns so much that I just. I do anything for it. You know, just the camaraderie of the fans, just.
It's just something that you can't even explain sometimes. You know, whether it be the good times or the bad times, we always come together. We always, you know, have a good time. But, you know, I used to go from standing in my living room yelling at the TV to doing it, you know, with all my group members and all my friends together inside of the corner bar. So it's just. It was just me just kind of stepping up and. And just taking over.
[01:14:16] Ronnie Jams: Hell, yeah, Jared. All them boomers say we're lazy, and that's what happened.
[01:14:22] Speaker C: I'm serious. I'm serious. No, I. I do have a good Mix of people, whether it be boomers, my group, younger people.
My, My niece, she is about to turn 13 years old.
She has been a, actually a key part of the group. You know, we've been teaching her the value of giving back.
How to, how to kind of, you know, do things here and there. She helps out with raffles and she's going to be taken over for me once, you know, I can't do this no more in like 50 years.
[01:14:55] Ronnie Jams: But yeah, family business. I like that.
[01:14:59] Kenny Thunder: It's a good thing. You gotta, you gotta get them. They're young because if you wait until they grow up and can make their own decisions, they won't be a Brown.
[01:15:07] Speaker C: Well, and that's the thing.
That's the thing. Not to cut you off, but her mother is a Steeler fan and, and, and yes, yes, her mother is a Steeler fan. She's the only one in the family. And luckily we brought her over to the right side.
[01:15:22] Ronnie Jams: Oh, yes.
[01:15:25] Kenny Thunder: Doing the Lord's work out there.
[01:15:26] Ronnie Jams: Listen, I feel, I know some, some parents feel kind of guilty when they start their kids down the Browns road because they're like, I'm really setting you
[01:15:36] Kenny Thunder: up, preparing you up for a lifetime of misery.
[01:15:38] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I can say this. I actually feel completely absolved of all of that because so far I have. I have a three year old and a one year old and a three year old. She'll watch football with me any chance she gets. And she sits there and cheers for the Browns. And I've told her multiple times, I'm like, you could cheer for whoever you want. And she always cheers for the Browns. So I'm like, hey, it's not my fault.
[01:15:59] Kenny Thunder: Are you watching other teams with her or is she only watching the Browns?
[01:16:02] Ronnie Jams: No, but she could cheer for the other team that's playing the Browns. And she does it.
She does it. She should have learned by now, though, especially when she went through all last season with, with me. But no, yeah, it's. We give them the choice, but they. Hopefully they stick with the Browns because.
But no, Jared switching gears here to the Browns from, from the community stuff and giving back and everything.
So obviously there, there's. We've. We've kind of come back down to earth this past week after starting off pretty hot.
[01:16:37] Speaker E: Where.
[01:16:38] Ronnie Jams: Where do you think the Browns kind of end up the rest of the season? Like, do you think we're going to see more of the. The hot team that got to three and one or are we going to see more of the team that we saw this past Week.
[01:16:49] Speaker C: Okay. No, perfect. So, you know, you mentioned about that hot start, you know, so, so that after week one, you know, I'm sure most of us were like, oh, here we go again. Here's a, here's another Brown season, we're done for, you know, but after the three game winning streak and seeing Todd Monken, you know, control that locker room and take control of that team and all them young kids, you know, it gives me hope. It gives, I think a lot of us hope that, you know, hey, we might actually have a decent coach. Because at first think a lot of us too were all like Todd Monkin, okay, he was a coordinator here, coordinator there, you know, but what can he really do? You know, he's not a big name guy.
So, you know, I think he took a lot of people by surprise, especially me, the way he handles himself and with the media, with the people, with the players, it was very surprising.
So, you know, to see that three game win streak, to see them guys come to together, it was nice to go for four. Yeah, that, that would have been great too, to lose to the Jets.
The goddamn jets. You know, you know, you can put a lot of blame on the weather, you can put a lot of blame on, you know, being on the road.
But you know, that was the game we should have won. That was the game we should have won. We went back to the penalties, we went back to not scoring off eternals overs.
But we're playing the Ravens this week and that's a team that is always a 50, 50 game.
Luckily we're home.
Actually our group, we're going to the game this week, the 4, 4 over, taking about 25 of our members and we're going to the game.
So hopefully, hopefully, you know, they should show up.
I just think if we, if we eliminate the penalties, if, if we continue to run the ball, we, you know, we run the ball, get some, get some, some statement on the ground and then you start, you know, play action. You know, Deshaun Watson shown that he can throw the ball. You know, we have receivers, young receivers yet, you know, and, and they shown that, that they can, they can play. You know, Denzel Boston for sure, you know, he's been a pretty good surprise. But I, you know, I think with the schedule that we have, you know, it's not a hard schedule. I think that we can, you know, have a winning season, make the playoffs and, and at least win one or two in the playoffs. You know, our team has the potential.
[01:19:40] Kenny Thunder: Jared's throwing around the P word.
[01:19:43] Ronnie Jams: It gets Scary when people.
[01:19:48] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:19:48] Speaker C: Oh, playoff. Yeah. Playoffs and potential. I thought you're talking about potential. Like I haven't heard potential with the bronze either in a while.
[01:19:56] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, those are both words to start with.
[01:19:57] Ronnie Jams: P. Yeah. No, the playoffs one is, is one. That's. It got during that three game win streak, it just got started being thrown around a lot and I was like,
[01:20:07] Speaker C: oh yeah, well, it's.
[01:20:08] Ronnie Jams: We're still like first few games of the season. Let's, let's relax a little bit.
[01:20:13] Speaker C: What?
[01:20:15] Ronnie Jams: Go ahead, go ahead.
[01:20:16] Speaker C: Well, we, we play, we play the Ravens. If we can win that game at home, you know, then we go and we play Tennessee.
Right? We can. That's a game like we should have won against the Jets. And then we play Pittsburgh again. Hey, you know, if we beat Pittsburgh once, we can beat him again.
And then so on and so forth. So we keep going on these little like win streaks, you know, I can see it.
[01:20:40] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[01:20:40] Kenny Thunder: I mean, I feel hopeful and more optimistic now after talking to Jared. Yeah, I feel like he's lifted my spirits.
[01:20:45] Ronnie Jams: J. I feel like every time we talk to the Browns backers presidents, they always lift my spirits because we have to. Unfortunately, with what we're doing, we do have to stare at like statistics and, and even if we don't recite them on our show, we, we stare at like analytics and all kinds of stuff when we're preparing for the show and some of it just doesn't look all that good picture for us. But I agree with you. I mean, something. I at least think something's happening with Todd Monkin to where he's much better than I thought he would have been coming into this and he's done a good job so far of leading that young core, like you said. So.
Yeah, I think, I don't know about the P word, but I think that we'll win more games. Right now. If you had to ask me, we're going to win more games than I projected them to win before the season started, so.
[01:21:35] Kenny Thunder: Well, it sounds like Jared thinks the Browns are going to win this weekend. So what do you have as a score prediction?
[01:21:42] Speaker C: To be honest with you, usually I go like an outrageous prediction when people ask me. I'm usually like 40 to 2 or like 38 to 3 and they're like, what? Yeah, but you know, I'm going to be more realistic.
I think it's going to be a. Definitely a fight.
The weather is not going to be too bad, so I'm not going to put that into factor. So I'm Going to say, I'm gonna say 24, 21 in overtime.
[01:22:12] Ronnie Jams: Oh, oh.
[01:22:13] Kenny Thunder: An OT game.
[01:22:14] Ronnie Jams: I think that's the first time we've ever had a president specify that it's gonna go to overtime.
[01:22:19] Kenny Thunder: I like it.
[01:22:20] Speaker C: Overtime. Overtime. I'm gonna say overtime.
[01:22:23] Ronnie Jams: And, and you're.
[01:22:23] Speaker C: And without.
Without Lamar Jackson.
[01:22:28] Ronnie Jams: Okay.
[01:22:28] Kenny Thunder: Snoop Huntley. So we're getting to the rescue.
[01:22:31] Ronnie Jams: So we're getting another
[01:22:34] Kenny Thunder: game winner from
[01:22:35] Ronnie Jams: our, from our kicker, huh?
[01:22:37] Kenny Thunder: Sounds like it.
[01:22:38] Ronnie Jams: Nice.
[01:22:39] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. With that score, that would be a game winning field goal for sure.
Smitty's been showing up.
You know he.
Last week it was a little rough, but you know, the weeks before, he's definitely earned my respect.
[01:22:53] Ronnie Jams: He doesn't have to worry about his streak anymore.
[01:22:56] Kenny Thunder: He was due to miss one.
[01:22:57] Speaker D: Right.
[01:22:57] Kenny Thunder: I mean it's a good thing. I think it's a blessing in disguise.
[01:23:00] Speaker C: Get it done in week four.
[01:23:02] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I think he came up his, his late. This, this past streak that he was on, he came up like four short of Phil Dawson. Second place all time, which is Phil. Phil Dawson has top two at 29 and 27 makes in a row.
And I, and I. Yeah. And I think, I think he ended up at 24 if I'm not mistaken.
[01:23:22] Speaker C: So I think you're right.
[01:23:24] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, but that's good. But yeah, got it out of the system.
[01:23:26] Ronnie Jams: Out of his system. Now he can, he can. No pressure.
[01:23:28] Kenny Thunder: He can make the rest of them.
[01:23:29] Ronnie Jams: So I like to score prediction, anything. You know, you said Lamar is not going to play anything, any, any, any, anything crazy going to happen in this game that you can predict.
[01:23:44] Speaker C: Well, besides the four, four Browns backers being there, that's going to be pretty crazy.
If anyone wants to stop out and see us, we'll be at three. We'll be at section 351.
But no, I think it's just going to be a, a hard fought battle.
I'm gonna. Hopefully everybody stays healthy besides Lamar. Hopefully he stays sidelined and you know, we just, we just get out of there with a decent win.
[01:24:16] Kenny Thunder: I like it.
[01:24:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:24:18] Ronnie Jams: Oh yeah. Well, Jared, we appreciate you talking with us. It's been fantastic and getting your insights on the game and your guys chapter and what you guys are doing out there. I wish we could talk to you all night. You know, I hate when we have to end these conversations so soon, but we do have like a two and a half hour show to record so.
[01:24:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I get it.
It's a long night.
[01:24:41] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, absolutely. If we're ever up in that area in the Fourth Tabula. He's not nasty. He's not an Ashtabula.
[01:24:49] Speaker E: Not quite.
[01:24:49] Ronnie Jams: He's an all Austenburg.
[01:24:50] Speaker C: Just before Austenburg. Yes, sir.
[01:24:54] Ronnie Jams: That's right. If we're ever up in Austinburg before or during a game, we'll definitely have to stop in and have a drink with you guys at the corner bar.
[01:25:01] Speaker C: Please do. Please do.
[01:25:04] Ronnie Jams: Well, hey, man, we appreciate it and we'll talk to you soon.
[01:25:06] Kenny Thunder: Thanks, Jared.
[01:25:07] Speaker C: Thanks, guys. Go Browns.
We are the 440-Browns backers, and you're listening to the burning river sports cast. Go Browns.
[01:25:22] Ronnie Jams: Good time talking to Jared from Brownsbackers.
[01:25:26] Kenny Thunder: J Rod.
[01:25:27] Ronnie Jams: He was. He had a lot to say. I liked how much he talked about what their chapter does.
[01:25:31] Kenny Thunder: Yeah. Yeah. He spent a lot of time going through all their stuff. They do, obviously, work with a lot of.
[01:25:35] Ronnie Jams: I like that they rotate their charities every month. That's pretty cool.
[01:25:38] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, that is neat. That's unique. We don't hear that a lot. So good on them.
And it was a good time getting to know them in their chapter. So if you're in the area, if you're in Ash Tabula or near Ash Tabula or near Geneva or.
[01:25:53] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, you'll get it eventually.
[01:25:54] Kenny Thunder: Go to the corner.
[01:25:55] Ronnie Jams: He called it Awesomeburg.
[01:25:56] Kenny Thunder: Awesomeburg. Yeah.
[01:25:57] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[01:25:58] Kenny Thunder: Way better than Pittsburgh.
[01:25:59] Ronnie Jams: Pittsburgh sucks. Shitsburg. And we talked about a little bit with Jared, but I think it's time to dive into this week's game with the Week 5 preview.
[01:26:07] Kenny Thunder: The famous Week 5 preview.
[01:26:18] Ronnie Jams: All right, guys, Got another division game this week.
It's the Ravens.
Kenny, you know what it's time for?
[01:26:25] Kenny Thunder: Is it time for Kenny's Cliffs Notes?
Is it Cliff Notes or Cliff's Notes? I still don't know. I ask every week and I have no idea.
[01:26:38] Ronnie Jams: You must not be able to read because it's right behind you on the screen.
[01:26:42] Kenny Thunder: But is it Cliff's notes?
[01:26:44] Ronnie Jams: Can you. Or Cliff Notes again, can you not read? Because it's very clear. It's extremely clear. Oh, you have. You have, like, prescription glasses. They're not very. They're. Your eyes are terrible.
[01:26:55] Kenny Thunder: I do need Lasik something bad.
[01:26:56] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[01:26:58] Kenny Thunder: Kenny's Cliff Notes. The Cleveland Browns return home for a crucial AFC north showdown against my most hated rival, the old and way more successful Browns, the Baltimore Ravens. Baltimore comes in at 4 and 1 after a dramatic 30 to 23 overtime victory over Stefanski and the boys. Overtime was thwarted by, as I mentioned earlier, Michael Penix's 723rd career injury.
All new coaching staff here in Baltimore with first year Head coach Jesse Mentor Mentor who did interview for the Browns job before taking the Baltimore job. Offensive coordinator Declan Doyle comes over after being the OC in Chicago last year and defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver was previously with the Dolphins. The big question this week is whether Lamar Jackson will return from his ankle injury. Backup Tyler Huntley led Baltimore's comeback against the decision right so Far, throwing for 201 yards and two touchdowns while adding a rushing score. Obviously Lamar Jackson is a game changer. We know that his ability to scramble, escape pressure and turn.
[01:27:55] Ronnie Jams: One time he went and took a poop and he was still came back and he beat us.
[01:27:58] Kenny Thunder: He takes really good poops. His ability ability to scramble, escape pressure and turn a broken play into a big game forces defenses to account for him on every down. Tyler Snoop Huntley is a capable backup. Huntley showed composure in Baltimore's win over Atlanta. While he lacks the dynamic speed of Lamar, he can use his feet to make plays, is a good processor of information and can make almost every throw. Derek Henry is a physically imposing offensive weapon. His size and acceleration make him dangerous between the tackles and his ability to break tackles can turn a modest gain into a big, big, big play. At one point in overtime against the Falcons it literally took nine dudes to tackle him to bring him down. It was really impressive. He moved the pile for like seven yards.
[01:28:36] Ronnie Jams: He's a big guy.
[01:28:37] Speaker E: Wow.
[01:28:38] Kenny Thunder: Justice Hill Justice Hill if I could talk provides a change of pace and a quicker alternative to Henry and can contribute as a runner and a receiver. Zay Flowers has become an explosive threat. Rashad Bateman and devontez Walker give Baltimore a slate of downfall field options and Mark Andrews remains an important target in the intermediate passing game and near the goal line. PFF had this offensive line ranked 23rd coming into last week. They had have had some moving parts including the acquisition of two time Pro Bowler Camp Jurgens who remains in the concussion protocol.
[01:29:08] Ronnie Jams: The Kentucky Derby huh?
[01:29:09] Kenny Thunder: In the Kentucky Derby protocol, but the team is optimistic that he may play this week against the Browns.
Namdi Matab Bouquet is an interior disruptor and vet Calais Campbell. Campbell is Wiley. I can't talk today in Kenny's cliff notes can't Calais Campbell is Wiley like the Coyote.
Trey Hendrickson and Mike Green can bring edge pressure. Hendrickson strong name is expected to return against the Browns after he got fingered. I mean hurt his finger. Jesse Mentor said Hendrickson is chomping at the bit to get out there. Frankly this fact alone makes me glad we didn't hire Jesse Minter because horses don't chomp. They champ is a word literally used to describe horses grinding their teeth. Chomp is what I do to a sub sandwich. Given the Browns recent struggles in pass protection, this is a match of Baltimore will be eager to exploit. After eight sacks a week ago, their D line will be champing at the bit.
Roquan Smith is the centerpiece of Baltimore's linebacker group, gifted in run support, which won't matter because we run the ball like Forest Gump when he was still in braces. Marcus Marlon Humphrey is an experienced and physical corner, Nate Wiggins brings exceptional speed and Kyle Hamilton has become arguably their most important chess piece. He can play near the line of scrimmage, cover receivers and tight ends and disguise and bring pressure. His versatility creates mismatches all over. Kicker Tyler Loop has a boot and can hit from anywhere. Punter Ryan Eckley is a rookie and was a 2025 Big Ten Punter of the year from Michigan State. Eckley was actually a 6th round draft choice this year for the Ravens after the big departure of Jordan Stout to the Giants. Bottom line, this is a difficult matchup for the Cleveland Browns because Baltimore can hurt you in a lot of ways. Regardless of who plays quarterback, gap, discipline and contain will make it or break it. This week for the Browns, that's all I got. Go Browns.
[01:30:49] Ronnie Jams: Go Browns.
And with that was sloppy.
[01:30:53] Speaker E: Sloppy.
[01:30:53] Ronnie Jams: I made a mess with every edition of Kenny's Cliff Notes come us another edition of Rotted Jam.
[01:31:02] Kenny Thunder: The matchups it matter.
[01:31:10] Ronnie Jams: All right, I'm bringing you the two most important matchups of this game.
[01:31:14] Kenny Thunder: Two most important matchups of the week.
[01:31:15] Ronnie Jams: In my eyes anyways. Subjective I guess.
[01:31:17] Kenny Thunder: The ones that matter.
[01:31:18] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
Number one, Carson Schinger. Vers Derrick Henry.
[01:31:24] Kenny Thunder: Oh boy.
[01:31:25] Ronnie Jams: Carson's the leader of the defense, but he is a little banged up this week. Henry is still doing King Henry things. You just mentioned him carrying like nine guys to the I don't know if it's the zone, but it was ferocious for quite a few yards.
So I guess the big question here is will Schinger and company be able to slow him down? Actually it's kind of funny because the Browns, for the most part, since Derrick Henry's been with the Ravens and even when he was with the Tennessee Titans and they played him a couple times, they haven't had that hard of a time keeping him in check.
[01:31:56] Kenny Thunder: The only one that had a hard time was Jok.
[01:31:59] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, that's not a very good joke.
[01:32:01] Kenny Thunder: Was it a joke? It's a statement of fact.
[01:32:04] Ronnie Jams: He brought his neck that's fair.
But yeah, I think there's only been one game that I can remember where he had like 100, 100 plus yards.
[01:32:13] Kenny Thunder: It's usually Lamar Jackson pooping on us.
[01:32:15] Speaker E: Right.
[01:32:15] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[01:32:16] Ronnie Jams: So. But anyway, still a matchup. That matters in this one. And the next one here is Denzel Ward versus Zay Flowers. You mentioned Zay Flowers is kind of coming to his own. He's really starting to be able to do some damage on offense there.
[01:32:29] Kenny Thunder: Todd Monken had some high praise for Zay Flowers this week.
[01:32:32] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. And so ward and the DBs had trouble with Garrett Wilson this week past week, which was kind of alarming because they. They had a lot of trouble with them. So we got to see if they can clean that up, keep Flowers in check. And I guess my. My last note here. Will the warden lock it down on the lake? So.
[01:32:50] Kenny Thunder: And it was a game that the defense should have had a better time in because it was difficult to pass the ball.
[01:32:55] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. I will say this. I think a little bit of this is we don't get those serious one on ones with.
At least not so far this season. We haven't seen them with Denzel Ward, like, where he just.
[01:33:07] Speaker C: We're.
[01:33:07] Speaker D: We're.
[01:33:07] Ronnie Jams: Put you on the number one guy and leave you there. You shut him down and we'll take care of the rest. Well, I think some of that is play more zone.
[01:33:13] Kenny Thunder: Philosophical.
[01:33:14] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:33:15] Kenny Thunder: Playing more zone.
[01:33:15] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. So. But I would like to see if that. If that becomes an issue and Zay Flower starts to, you know, really do some damage. Just put. Put Denzel Ward on him. Lock. Let him lock him up.
[01:33:26] Kenny Thunder: So I would like to see more of that. I think Rutenberg needs to.
To switch things up and run more like man on man with word specifically on their best.
[01:33:35] Ronnie Jams: Well, you can even do like. Like different schemes and stuff where he's playing man under. Then you still got help over top. Like. Like let.
[01:33:41] Kenny Thunder: Well, that's what they ended up doing against Garrett a little bit in that game.
You know, just quick note on Mike Rudenberg.
Doesn't he look like a guy that just verbalizes affirmations in the mirror to himself? Like, before he leaves the house? Like, every time I see him, I just feel like he's like, I'm Mike Rutenberg. I'm an NFL coach.
I belong in the NFL.
Doesn't he look like him?
[01:34:04] Speaker E: I don't know, man.
[01:34:05] Ronnie Jams: I don't. I don't know.
[01:34:06] Kenny Thunder: I'm not saying he's bad or anything. I just.
[01:34:08] Speaker E: He.
[01:34:08] Kenny Thunder: He has that look to Me like a guy that, like, self motivates in the mirror.
[01:34:11] Ronnie Jams: Me and Bone look like that. Like, I don't really understand.
[01:34:14] Kenny Thunder: I guess no one else sees that.
[01:34:16] Speaker D: He's manifesting his destiny.
[01:34:19] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Manifest destiny. Manifest destiny. Anyways, in summary here, The Ravens are 4 and 1 coming off an overtime win over the Falcons. So far this season, their defense ranks overall number 14, 325.6 yards per game. Their passing defense is number 18 at 223.6 yards per game. And their run defense is number 12 in the NFL at 1 and 20 hundred, 102 yards per game.
On offense. They are the number four overall offense in the NFL. What are you looking at me like that for?
[01:34:44] Kenny Thunder: I was just wondering if you listened to the show last week when I got you because you were like, you said the wrong number. And I was like, you said the wrong number. And you're like, no, I didn't. And then I played it back.
[01:34:54] Ronnie Jams: I hate you.
They have 394.2 yards per game on offense. Their running game is number three in the NFL at 164.4 yards yards per game. That's pretty good. And their passing is number 14 in the NFL at 229.8.
For the Browns, our current record is 3 and 2. We're coming off an extremely disappointing loss to the jets so far this season, they are number 20 overall in the NFL on offense at 334 yards per game.
Or I'm sorry, on defense, 334 yards per game.
Passing defense, number 13. The NFL, 216.6 yards per game. Run defense is number 19 at 117.4 yards per game. And now on offense, they are number 29 in the NFL, 273.6 yards per game.
Running game is at 21 at 94.2. Still haven't hit that 100. Can't eclipse that 100 yards per game mark.
[01:35:47] Kenny Thunder: It's fascinating how they're ranked as high as they are, but I think there's
[01:35:50] Ronnie Jams: some really bad rushing teams out there.
[01:35:51] Kenny Thunder: To be fair, half of our rushing yards every week come from desean scrambling.
[01:35:54] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, fair. And then on the. In the passing game, they're number 26 in the NFL at 179.4 yards per game.
And in every game, there's always a way to win. So let's bring in the big bone man, because it's time for bone man.
[01:36:06] Kenny Thunder: Skeleton key to victory.
[01:36:13] Speaker D: Well, I'll tell you what. I actually wrote something down this week.
I. I think The Ravens are pretty good. I think we're gonna have a hard time with them.
So I'm gonna say we need something out of the ordinary. We need a kick return, a punt return, a pick six, a strip sack, a scoop and score.
[01:36:27] Ronnie Jams: Give us a lot of options.
[01:36:29] Speaker D: Something. Something along those lines. Something out of the ordinary. Something to get us some points on the board that maybe we didn't particularly earn to keep us in the game.
[01:36:37] Kenny Thunder: So what you're saying is the standard X's and O's won't cut it.
[01:36:40] Speaker D: I don't think it's going to be enough this week.
[01:36:42] Kenny Thunder: They need a wild card.
[01:36:44] Speaker D: I like that. Yeah. Wild card.
[01:36:46] Kenny Thunder: Isn't that a thing?
[01:36:47] Speaker D: I don't know.
[01:36:48] Ronnie Jams: I don't think so.
[01:36:48] Kenny Thunder: I think that's. I think it's. I think there's a sound card
[01:36:54] Speaker D: and that is my key to victory.
[01:36:57] Ronnie Jams: I don't want to say. No, that's not a thing because then you're going to put a sounder in. That's exactly what I said it was. But anyways. Kenny, what's the betting info this week?
[01:37:04] Kenny Thunder: You want some betting info?
[01:37:05] Ronnie Jams: I do.
[01:37:06] Kenny Thunder: I got some betting info. Line is Brown's home dog. Ravens minus four and a half, over under 41 and a half. I feel like the over under has been 41 and a half every week for the last four weeks.
[01:37:19] Ronnie Jams: Hold, please.
[01:37:22] Kenny Thunder: One week it was 40 and a half, but I think it's been right around that number every week.
[01:37:25] Ronnie Jams: I didn't write it down last week when you told us so. I don't know.
[01:37:28] Kenny Thunder: Excellent. Bo wrote it down and you didn't.
[01:37:33] Ronnie Jams: I hate you.
[01:37:33] Kenny Thunder: I killed him.
[01:37:34] Ronnie Jams: Players to watch. Kenny, who you got?
[01:37:39] Kenny Thunder: Let's go. Running back by committee, I'd like to say Quin, Sean Judkins. This. This running game needs to get going. It is the final component to this offense where we've seen Deshaun Watson mildly competent and the receiver room has been decent other than getting. Taking a nap on the field.
[01:37:56] Ronnie Jams: The craziest thing is when they've even threatened to be competent. We've won games, right?
[01:38:01] Kenny Thunder: Right. It hasn't been overly impressive, but it's been good enough. But the running game has not been good enough all year long. So whether it's Quin Shawn taking snaps, whether Dylan Sampson gets activated this week, or whether we literally roll into this game with Aldrich estimate and Jaleel McLaughlin like that's all eyes on the backfield. Because this, this running game has to change. It's something Todd Monkin is Kind of blown off all offseason. Blown off into this. Blowing them off.
Little sloppy Top Todd. Sloppy Top Monkin new nickname.
But
[01:38:34] Ronnie Jams: I'm activated and I'm ready to go.
[01:38:40] Kenny Thunder: But this running game has to. I mean it has to get going. So I don't know who the mix is. I don't know what the secret sauce is. But Todd Monken literally was his all year long been like, the running game is going to be fine.
[01:38:48] Speaker E: We're going to.
[01:38:49] Kenny Thunder: It'll be fine. We're going to get figured out. It'll be efficient. It's be great to be fine. Todd. It's not fine. The triage this like er, DEFCON 1. This is as bad as it gets. And it has to improve if this team is going to continue to win football games. Because the way they've been winning is ugly.
But it's been getting the job done, but it's just not sustainable. So that run game has to get going one way or the other.
[01:39:10] Ronnie Jams: Not as ugly as you phone. What do you got?
[01:39:13] Speaker D: I'm gonna say Harold Fanning.
[01:39:15] Kenny Thunder: You Harold Fanning killed his brother.
[01:39:18] Speaker D: Yeah, I. I said in.
[01:39:20] Ronnie Jams: I don't think so.
[01:39:24] Speaker D: I was even thinking about in my head. I'm like, I'm gonna say it correctly this time.
[01:39:27] Ronnie Jams: No chance.
[01:39:28] Speaker D: I think maybe it's just my, my southern draw. You guys are.
Accent.
Accent, whatever. Yeah, you guys already talked about his yards of separation as far as the NFL. He leads the NFL. So let's get him the ball. And we're gonna need him to have a big game.
[01:39:45] Kenny Thunder: So Harold Fanon and he's my fantasy type.
[01:39:47] Ronnie Jams: Hey, he said it right that time.
[01:39:48] Kenny Thunder: I need him to get involved.
[01:39:49] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I'm gonna go Denzel Ward. I mentioned earlier in my matchups that matter, matchups that matter. I'm gonna double down here.
I think if we really want to get after the quarterback, you need to put him on Zay Flowers at least it doesn't have to be every play but a decent amount during this game. And for Zay Flowers to actually get open like put some pressure there, hopefully that gives the. The front seven enough time to get to the quarterback and get some sacks in this one.
[01:40:16] Kenny Thunder: So yeah, I think that's been one pleasant surprise this entire season is the amount of pressure. Pressure that this, this defensive front.
[01:40:23] Speaker E: I agree.
[01:40:23] Ronnie Jams: And they would get more, I think if we played a little bit less that. I mean, who knows? But I'm just saying, I think if you let Denzel Ward cook in the defensive backfield, I think you get more sacks because you have a guy locked down for longer.
[01:40:37] Kenny Thunder: Well, again, I think it's a question less, more of like philosophy. Right. Like, I think they're wanting to play zone to soften things up and make coverage easier. But the thing is, is if your defensive line is still creating pressure, then the quarterbacks don't have time to throw and make decisions. So you can play man up and and you'll be okay.
[01:40:51] Ronnie Jams: Agreed. So Denzel Ward's my player to watch.
That'll do it for the Week 5 preview. Let's go ahead and get in the gassed up.
Kenny, I hear you're gassed up about several things.
[01:41:12] Kenny Thunder: I I've got a couple this week gassed up about.
[01:41:14] Ronnie Jams: What are you gassed up about?
[01:41:16] Kenny Thunder: So we'll just start checking them off, crossing them off the first here.
There's been a lot of noise this week about the post season guardians ticket prices.
People are pissed off because the tickets are expensive. They're 3, 4, $500 a seat. If you're sitting in prime seating, maybe even more.
But I guess what I got gassed up about was like guys like of all the times to complain about tickets,
[01:41:41] Ronnie Jams: ticket prices, you're in the playoffs is an extremely limited number of tickets.
[01:41:47] Kenny Thunder: And look, I want the average fan to be able to afford to go to a game. But I also, if I'm just just being understanding of one, baseball is a business and the economics of it. Like, this is the one time Kevin's
[01:42:00] Ronnie Jams: about to spill his chili.
[01:42:01] Kenny Thunder: This is, this is the one time of year that the ownership group, this ownership group in particular, particular that we've all accused of being cheap at times, has the right to go ahead and increase ticket prices due to demand.
Kevin just spelled the one thing he does really well. Yeah, but I feel like the ownership group is completely justified in charging basically whatever they want during the postseason, especially once they got out of the divisional round and are now in the alcs. Like you can pretty much charge whatever you want and people are going to show up.
[01:42:32] Ronnie Jams: Are they complaining about about the ticket prices from the owners or they play it complain about ticket prices like secondary market.
[01:42:37] Kenny Thunder: I think they're just complaining about it in general because it's pricing out the average fan, which again, I totally understand the frustration there. But the team is in the postseason and now they're deep in the postseason.
[01:42:46] Ronnie Jams: I, I just. What I'm saying though is I don't think it's an argument that you have with the owners. I think that's an argument with like the, the ticket Masters and stubhubs of the world that allow these bots to go in and buy 57 tickets at a time and then resell them. But to your point, basic economic.
There's a limited number of tickets, only so many games left. The prices go way the up.
[01:43:06] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I just don't think it's a ma. It doesn't matter like what the reason is. The reason is they're in the alcs.
[01:43:10] Ronnie Jams: So and here's the deal.
[01:43:11] Kenny Thunder: You as the ownership group, who is, who's getting the revenue off of the game, like you can charge whatever you want.
[01:43:16] Ronnie Jams: Here's the deal. We, we are considering going to game this week and not that they're the most fantastic seats, but 117 a ticket, that's not that bad.
[01:43:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:43:23] Kenny Thunder: Upper deck seats are still 100 a ticket. So like I think the average fan that is a like a die hard blue blooded baseball fan, you probably can, can squeeze the 99 bucks out of somebody for a seat if you really wanted to be there. But they're not going to have any trouble selling out that stadium. Even at 3, 4, $500 a seat in the, in the lower bowl, people are going to pay that because I mean when's the last time we were this deep? I mean it's been 10 years since they went to the World Series. Right. So like this isn't a situation that happens every year. We're so fortunate to be in a baseball team town that has a franchise and one that is good.
[01:43:58] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. We talk about the Guardians all the time and how they're good and I mean they're the most, in our opinion, one of the most well run organizations.
[01:44:05] Kenny Thunder: Club super successful every year. Farm systems, great. Like they're, they're the model of what you can do.
So I just, I just think the ownership group has the right to charge whatever they want here. And I don't really have any sympathy for people that are complaining about the ticket prices in the postseason.
[01:44:20] Ronnie Jams: There's a hundred regular season. Sure.
[01:44:21] Kenny Thunder: There's 160 games during the regular season that you can go get tickets for.
[01:44:26] Ronnie Jams: If tickets were $300 during a regular season when there's 81 home games. Yeah, I'd be pissed.
[01:44:31] Speaker D: I still do that District ticket. It's. You get a beer and. Right.
[01:44:34] Kenny Thunder: Like 10 bucks or 15 bucks or whatever it is.
[01:44:36] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[01:44:36] Kenny Thunder: But the postseason, yeah, all, all bets are off.
[01:44:40] Ronnie Jams: What else are you guys speaking of?
[01:44:41] Kenny Thunder: The Guardians.
Guardians split the first two games of the series. A lot of heat coming Jose Ramirez's
[01:44:48] Ronnie Jams: way for game two.
[01:44:49] Kenny Thunder: For game two with the air led to three run down the third baseline.
I just, I just can't hear it. Literally the game before, we were all having conversations about building a statue for a guy that is still playing. Jose Ramirez is arguably the greatest Indian guardian of all time.
[01:45:05] Ronnie Jams: I don't even think it's arguable anymore. I think he's head and shoulders above anybody else.
[01:45:08] Kenny Thunder: I mean the guy's won like six or eight silver sluggers. Like he's a Hall of Fame. He's a Hall of Famer through, in throughout like every single year he's in
[01:45:15] Ronnie Jams: the, the, the, was the MVP talks or whatever.
[01:45:19] Kenny Thunder: So yeah, like in, in for a team that's not always a part of like the, the conversation. Right. Like they've been maybe half the time. But the fact that he's in the conversation at all on a team sometimes it's underperforming is super impressive. He's just fantastic and he's earned so much goodwill and so much credit. That one error in a critical moment. I, I can't just write the guy off. I. He doesn't owe anybody and apology or an explanation. It was a bad play. I'm sure it's haunting him face the
[01:45:47] Ronnie Jams: rest of the game. It was haunting him the entire game.
[01:45:49] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[01:45:50] Ronnie Jams: But.
[01:45:50] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, I just can't hear it with like. People are like. I saw so many social media posts that were like, Jose cost us the game. Well, you wouldn't be here without Jose, period.
[01:45:58] Ronnie Jams: You don't be anywhere close.
[01:45:59] Kenny Thunder: Full stop.
[01:45:59] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[01:46:00] Kenny Thunder: So it was guessed about those two things. Final thing, culturally, I was gassed up this weekend because I was listening, listening to a college football show and they were talking about a particular college football game.
So the Oklahoma Sooners and Texas Longhorns every year play in the Red river rivalry.
[01:46:25] Ronnie Jams: That's it.
[01:46:26] Kenny Thunder: For 105 years it was the Red River Shootout.
[01:46:30] Speaker D: Huh?
[01:46:31] Kenny Thunder: The Red River Shootout. That's what this rivalry has been known. Known as. But we cannot say shootout anymore.
[01:46:39] Speaker D: It's much easier to say than we
[01:46:40] Kenny Thunder: have to say rivalry or showdown or matchup. And I was just like, are we really. Are we really that sensitive?
[01:46:48] Ronnie Jams: Yep.
[01:46:49] Speaker D: Yes, I was just.
[01:46:51] Kenny Thunder: Because I hadn't, I hadn't heard this before. Apparently it's been going on for some time now just due to, you know, the gun violence and sensitivity around it around college campuses especially.
But it's a, It's a football game. It's a football game and we still have the shotgun offense. We still have air raid offense. Like we're going to war. This weekend we make all these references
[01:47:12] Ronnie Jams: to this team scores 45 points. We're not allowed to say it was a shootout.
[01:47:15] Kenny Thunder: This seems like the hill that I don't want to die on. Like, this seems so silly to me that we can't say you're on the
[01:47:21] Ronnie Jams: wrong side of history.
[01:47:21] Kenny Thunder: Red River Shootout. It's a hundred year rivalry game that we've always called this. And now, now we can't. Seems really sad to me.
[01:47:28] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I mean, go ahead.
[01:47:30] Kenny Thunder: No, I just, I just was, it just, it made me unnecessarily gassed up that we can't, we literally can't say.
[01:47:35] Ronnie Jams: You're always unnecessarily gassed up.
[01:47:37] Kenny Thunder: We had to call it a matchup or a rivalry or a showdown. Like literally the guy was talking about it. Like he almost said Red River Shootout and then he caught himself and he was like, oh, can't say that anymore. And I was like, really? We can't say that anymore.
[01:47:49] Ronnie Jams: Like, I'm bringing it back. The Red River Shoot Shootout.
[01:47:52] Kenny Thunder: It's already, it's a way cooler name and it's been that way forever. And all of a sudden now we can't say definitely not in Texas.
[01:48:00] Speaker D: Lost.
[01:48:02] Kenny Thunder: There we go.
[01:48:02] Ronnie Jams: Arch Manning.
[01:48:03] Speaker E: Not very good.
[01:48:05] Ronnie Jams: It's, it's nowhere near as cool as the game.
[01:48:07] Kenny Thunder: He couldn't keep up with the shootout.
[01:48:08] Ronnie Jams: Nowhere near as cool as the game.
[01:48:11] Kenny Thunder: Agreed.
[01:48:12] Ronnie Jams: The, the game. Greatest rivalry and all.
[01:48:14] Kenny Thunder: Ohio against the world.
[01:48:15] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Hell yeah.
[01:48:16] Kenny Thunder: That's all I had.
Nobody else has guessed about it.
[01:48:18] Ronnie Jams: I, I mean, I, I, I just totally agree with you. I think it's good. Pretty really annoying.
[01:48:24] Speaker D: Shoot out.
[01:48:24] Speaker C: Shootout.
[01:48:24] Speaker D: Shootout.
[01:48:25] Speaker C: Shootout.
[01:48:25] Speaker D: Shootout. Shootout.
[01:48:26] Ronnie Jams: Shootout.
[01:48:26] Kenny Thunder: I just, we just, we literally can't
[01:48:28] Ronnie Jams: try and stop me.
[01:48:29] Kenny Thunder: We can't say words anymore.
[01:48:30] Speaker D: You're definitely getting canceled.
[01:48:33] Kenny Thunder: It's, it's just so sad that it's come to this. That we, we would take something that's 100 years old and we're like, can't say it.
[01:48:39] Ronnie Jams: I've been trying to tell you can't
[01:48:41] Kenny Thunder: say that for years.
[01:48:43] Ronnie Jams: That you're on the wrong side of history.
[01:48:46] Kenny Thunder: Based on what?
[01:48:48] Ronnie Jams: Based on your attitude.
I can't believe you would say shoot out even though I just said it like eight.
But you know, whatever I was guessing. I'm more gassed up about people being mad at Jose Ramirez.
[01:48:59] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, screw that crowd.
[01:49:01] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. I still say put a statue up for him right now.
[01:49:03] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, put it in my basement.
[01:49:04] Ronnie Jams: Like, I'll do the statue. You guys want to commission me?
[01:49:07] Kenny Thunder: No one wants to commission you.
[01:49:09] Speaker D: You mean one of those Browns guys that doesn't move bronze? I mean.
[01:49:12] Kenny Thunder: Yeah.
[01:49:12] Speaker D: And then you scare people.
[01:49:14] Ronnie Jams: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[01:49:16] Kenny Thunder: Las Vegas street performer.
[01:49:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:49:17] Ronnie Jams: I don't think I could impersonate Jose Ramirez. I think that's frowned upon.
[01:49:20] Kenny Thunder: I think you could be a Browns guy and a bronze guy.
[01:49:22] Speaker D: Oh, that might be looked at like. Yeah, I get it now.
[01:49:25] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think so.
[01:49:26] Speaker D: If you're fully bronze, though. Kind.
[01:49:28] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, it's like shootout definitely getting canceled.
[01:49:31] Ronnie Jams: We're all getting canceled.
[01:49:32] Kenny Thunder: Too much bronze or get you canceled.
[01:49:33] Ronnie Jams: Anyways, we're done with gas stuff. It's time for King of the North.
[01:49:44] Speaker D: All right.
[01:49:44] Ronnie Jams: In case anyone doesn't know by now, this is our year long afraid North Pickham competition. At the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished.
[01:49:50] Speaker C: Punished.
[01:49:50] Ronnie Jams: In the preseason three years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at it by fans. The muni lot before a game. In the preseason two years ago, Kenny at his hair and beard. Shaved, shaved clean off. Last season, Kenny down the patch the first time in almost 20 years and got hit three times by our guy, Big John Hughes.
[01:50:06] Kenny Thunder: Okay, I'm better now.
[01:50:07] Ronnie Jams: Okay.
And still to come this season, for losing last year, Kenny will be getting
[01:50:12] Kenny Thunder: a Brazilian wax Man Zillion.
[01:50:14] Ronnie Jams: Man zillion.
And the loser of this season's punishment is to be decided. But guess what?
Next Monday's episode or next Thursday's episode, we have to have it because we announced the winner. We said we have to have it by the winner of the Browns jersey.
[01:50:29] Speaker E: The.
[01:50:30] Ronnie Jams: The Bernie Kozar jersey.
[01:50:31] Kenny Thunder: Yes, the Bernie Kar jersey. That is not Bernie Kozar's jersey, but it is a Bernie Kozar jersey signed by Bernie Kar. Yeah.
[01:50:35] Ronnie Jams: So we're announcing that on Sunday. So promptly after that, on Thursday's episode, we will announce what the punishment is going to be.
[01:50:42] Kenny Thunder: Maybe the loser should have to have a physical, A health checkup.
I mean, turn your head and cough and full prostate exam.
[01:50:51] Ronnie Jams: Full prostate.
[01:50:52] Speaker D: I mean, we're getting to be about that.
[01:50:54] Kenny Thunder: Fingers in the room.
[01:50:55] Ronnie Jams: We should probably get that done and
[01:50:57] Speaker D: hit your healthcare provider.
[01:50:58] Ronnie Jams: So if they tell you that you're not quite of age yet, do you just be like, nah, I want it.
[01:51:04] Kenny Thunder: Want my.
[01:51:04] Ronnie Jams: I insist on having my.
[01:51:06] Kenny Thunder: I want to make sure. What have you lost? We got your prostate check. They found something and we saved your life.
[01:51:10] Speaker D: Oh, man, what a story.
[01:51:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:51:12] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
[01:51:13] Kenny Thunder: Maybe that's what it'll take for this podcast to finally go viral.
[01:51:17] Speaker D: Yeah, we save someone's life for that being the punishment.
[01:51:21] Kenny Thunder: I mean, we'd have to find like a actual physician to like.
[01:51:24] Ronnie Jams: Like your family, you know, I don't think they'd let you film. That's. There's all kinds of HIPPA laws against.
[01:51:29] Speaker D: You might just have to.
[01:51:30] Kenny Thunder: As long as everybody is.
[01:51:32] Ronnie Jams: If it. No, if it has to be filmed, you can't do that.
[01:51:34] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, well, it has to be filmed as a punishment.
[01:51:36] Ronnie Jams: I just don't know that.
[01:51:37] Kenny Thunder: I'm not saying we're gonna like. We would put you behind like a curtain. Like we could only see your face.
[01:51:41] Ronnie Jams: I know, but I'm not gonna show.
[01:51:42] Kenny Thunder: I'm not gonna show penetration on national tv.
[01:51:46] Ronnie Jams: Thank you. I don't think that this is allowed is what I'm saying.
[01:51:49] Kenny Thunder: I think it's. I think it's allowed if everyone's agreed.
[01:51:51] Ronnie Jams: I don't know. I mean, we can look at.
[01:51:53] Kenny Thunder: It's not a violation if you divulge it yourself.
[01:51:55] Ronnie Jams: I'm a okay with it. I just don't know that'll fly.
[01:51:58] Kenny Thunder: I just want to see your butt penetrated on live tv.
[01:52:01] Speaker D: It's weird to say that.
[01:52:03] Ronnie Jams: Weirdest thing I've ever heard, guys. In case anyone was wondering, it would
[01:52:07] Kenny Thunder: be a King of the north first.
[01:52:09] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I guess they. They got. This year they're going to get around your taint next year they'll get in someone's tank.
But anyways, we'll. We'll put a table that.
[01:52:19] Kenny Thunder: For now.
[01:52:20] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, we'll tenant it. We'll downstairs for sure next week. But anyways, whatever's going to happen. I know that I'm in last place right now, but it's going to happen to Kenny.
[01:52:28] Kenny Thunder: We don't. What if we find a not real doctor to grab your balls and finger your butt?
[01:52:31] Ronnie Jams: I don't like this.
Let's go ahead and get into things. Not those things.
[01:52:35] Kenny Thunder: Dress him up as a doctor.
[01:52:36] Ronnie Jams: First things first. I want to remind everyone that I am the reigning defending king of the North. Kenny or clown. Let's remind everyone of our current records after week four, Bone and Kenny here at 10 and 8. Yes, I know. I'm in last place at 6, 7 11. 7 11.
This is not good. I feel bad. I feel real bad.
[01:52:53] Kenny Thunder: You should.
[01:52:54] Ronnie Jams: Let's get into this week's games.
Pittsburgh heads to Tampa Bay to take on the Buccaneers.
Kenny, who you got?
[01:53:02] Kenny Thunder: Pittsburgh. Coming off a convincing win over the Colts, Tampa surprised a lot of folks, including myself.
Smacking around the Cowboys with the rookie quarterback Jalen. Jalen Daniels. Is that right?
The Browns beat both of these teams, so I don't know how good either of them are.
Man, I guess I'll go Pittsburgh here. I think their defense is a tough, tough matchup for rookie quarterback. Possible Baker comes back this week. Not sure. Either way, I'll go. I'll go Steelers. I hate.
[01:53:32] Speaker D: I did just look it up and it said probably not. I hate Baker.
[01:53:35] Kenny Thunder: I hate picking Pittsburgh, but I'll go Steelers.
[01:53:37] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. With Baker. Especially with Baker Mayfield being out through. Thanks for that, Bone.
I'm gonna have to go Pittsburgh in this. As much as I hate to say that, I just don't trust a rookie quarterback against a Pittsburgh.
[01:53:50] Kenny Thunder: He played pretty well against Dallas.
[01:53:51] Ronnie Jams: I understand, but Dallas is Dallas. They have a history of just letting everyone down.
[01:53:55] Kenny Thunder: What surprised me most was his. His mobility and decision making for a rookie. Getting his. He was the first rookie quarterback to start this year a game for any team.
He was a really good decision maker. Didn't put the ball in harm's way, and his feet were more impressive than I anticipated.
[01:54:10] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, it's all fair, but I just don't trust a rookie quarter.
[01:54:13] Kenny Thunder: I mean, I agree. I picked Pittsburgh as well.
[01:54:15] Ronnie Jams: I'm going Pittsburgh. Bone, who you got?
[01:54:17] Speaker D: I am also going Pittsburgh and. Yeah, same reasons.
[01:54:21] Ronnie Jams: All right.
And then next up, only two games this week in the division because Cincinnati is on.
[01:54:26] Kenny Thunder: Tough week for you to catch up.
[01:54:27] Ronnie Jams: Shut the hell up.
The Browns try to bounce back in Cleveland as they host the Ravens. Bone, who you got?
[01:54:34] Speaker D: I am going Ravens, but I think I'm going to change my score that I have written there. I did that the other night.
[01:54:38] Ronnie Jams: What are you going?
[01:54:39] Speaker D: Let's go Ravens 27, Browns 20.
[01:54:46] Ronnie Jams: All right. And Kenny, who you got?
[01:54:48] Kenny Thunder: Look, this defense gives him a chance in every game, but I'm. I'm really worried about this offense after eight sacks last week.
[01:54:55] Ronnie Jams: That's a lot of sacks and only
[01:54:56] Kenny Thunder: throwing for 150 pounds.
[01:54:58] Ronnie Jams: Much better defensive front this week.
[01:55:00] Kenny Thunder: Baltimore's offense has just in general been much more productive. Obviously, we don't know what's going to happen with quarterback just yet. Lamar Jackson's kind of a next factor, but if Tyler Huntley starts again, he's capable. I just. I just like Baltimore's chances better than Cleveland's here. I. I'll go Baltimore 2317.
[01:55:19] Ronnie Jams: Damn it.
[01:55:21] Kenny Thunder: As much as I'd love to pick the Browns at home.
[01:55:23] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I would love to pick the Browns at home, too. But again, all of these teams in the AFC north are Jekyll and Hyde. I have no idea what I'm going to get at any given time.
[01:55:32] Kenny Thunder: If they had beat the jets, it would have been easier to pick them this week.
[01:55:34] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I have no idea what I'm going to get at any given time, but because of that, I almost have to fall back on conventional wisdom.
And conventional wisdom tells me that the Ravens are going to beat the Browns. So I'm going to go Raven.
There will be no change this week. I'll still be losing when we come back next week for King of the North.
My score in this one. I'm going to go.
[01:55:53] Kenny Thunder: It's a beautiful thing.
[01:55:55] Ronnie Jams: You shut your mouth.
I'll go 2120 Ravens.
Yeah. So with that, let me remind everybody to call the Burninger Sports Cast Hot take hotline. Never call any hot takes on hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. If you want hot takes, we want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot hot takes 230-227-8081 the
[01:56:14] Speaker D: hottest takes 230-227-8081 bone superseded me there
[01:56:18] Kenny Thunder: 330-27808 will run 3003 I got to get out of here. It's time to go home.
[01:56:22] Ronnie Jams: 8081 call now. Operator is not standing by. Be sure to check out our gear www media.com x the shop all kinds of stuff in there that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect next?
[01:56:35] Speaker C: Don't know what that was.
[01:56:36] Ronnie Jams: What can we expect next week?
[01:56:39] Kenny Thunder: I will tell you what we can expect next week. We will be live on Sunday night. Look for us live on YouTube, Facebook and X as we recap the Week 6 matchup against the Ravens. We should be right on around right around 9:30. And then next Thursday we'll be back with our week seven preview episode for the game against the Titans and another
[01:56:57] Ronnie Jams: Browns packers interview to be decided TBD and check us out on social media. Tapping media is on Facebook X and Instagram at the tapping media and Burning Sportscast. That's this podcast on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok and YouTube at Burning Sportscast on X as well to handle at Burning Pod you can find a podcast wherever podcast talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, stitcher, Pandora I radio podcast, Castro Good pods football podcast and so many more reviews are the best thing you do to keep our podcast growing. Please keep supporting and we'll continue to bring you the best damn Cleveland Browns pod in the land. You know what it takes to Ken.
[01:57:41] Speaker C: What do you got?
[01:57:43] Kenny Thunder: You want. You want some facts?
[01:57:46] Ronnie Jams: You got whale facts?
[01:57:47] Kenny Thunder: No better.
[01:57:49] Speaker C: What.
[01:57:50] Kenny Thunder: What could Be better in.
[01:57:51] Ronnie Jams: You know what's starting to grow on me is space facts.
[01:57:54] Kenny Thunder: Space facts are really good. Yeah, no, there's a movie up there and. And ocean facts on this on the shelf with our. Our dearly departed WrestleMania 6. Oh, that's up there too. But I should do WrestleMania facts soon. That would be good, but no. Our old friend Heath Ledger.
[01:58:10] Ronnie Jams: Knight's Tale. One of the greatest pieces of cinema you'll ever see. So today there's also the 1999 cinematic masterpiece the Mummy, starring Brennan Fraser and Rachel Weiss.
[01:58:21] Kenny Thunder: There. I saw that. There's a fourth one in production with Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weiss returning.
[01:58:27] Ronnie Jams: I wonder if it'll be a masterpiece.
[01:58:29] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, probably.
So I do have some medieval.
[01:58:34] Ronnie Jams: Oh, yes. These are actually good. I like this. I like this. I'm a history guy.
[01:58:37] Kenny Thunder: Heath Ledger in a nightstand.
[01:58:38] Ronnie Jams: Bones. A history guy. He's a history teacher.
[01:58:40] Speaker D: Love it.
[01:58:41] Ronnie Jams: True. He was once at least number one.
[01:58:43] Speaker D: I teach history to all the line workers.
[01:58:48] Kenny Thunder: Number one, animals.
[01:58:50] Ronnie Jams: Oh, yeah. This was a broad subject.
[01:58:51] Kenny Thunder: Could be put on trial for murder.
Medieval European courts sometimes prosecuted pigs, rats, horses, bulls and other animals. Animals accused of killing humans and sometimes unattended infants could be formally tried, sentenced to, even executed. Some animal trials involved legal officials, witnesses, and elaborate proceedings. Often they were represented by a court appointed lawyers and subjected to standard methods of execution like public hanging, burning at the stake, or mutilation.
[01:59:17] Ronnie Jams: Medieval people were so stupid.
Like, they're just so dumb.
[01:59:22] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, he used to just kill those pigs. Yeah, like, pigs surprisingly killed in like a high frequency of infant children in the medieval times for whatever reason. I don't. I get. A lot of people just had pigs.
[01:59:33] Ronnie Jams: Well, people just laid their kids in hay and then pigs laid on top of them.
[01:59:36] Kenny Thunder: That could be. Yeah, so that was number one.
[01:59:39] Ronnie Jams: Pigs are a little aggressive too, so.
[01:59:41] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:59:42] Kenny Thunder: Especially bores.
[01:59:43] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. See, Trying to tell you, number two. Number two.
[01:59:46] Kenny Thunder: Medieval manuscripts are full of knights fighting snails.
In the margins, illuminated manuscripts in the margins of medieval books, Artists drew armored knights confronting enormous snails, sometimes on foot and sometimes on horseback. In many cases, the knight is shown losing, dropping his sword, or kneeling in defeat. The best part is no one knows why or what they mean. And with no written explanations, historians still debate over what the images meant. Theories include satire, symbolism, and jokes that modern readers just have simply lost context for.
[02:00:23] Ronnie Jams: I don't understand.
My first thought when you're saying this is like, like when. When modern readers read these, did they just change the snails to dragons? Is that where that came from?
[02:00:36] Kenny Thunder: Very possible. I mean, they're very clearly mollusks.
Like, there is no ambiguation between, like,
[02:00:47] Ronnie Jams: did modern people see that? They're like, what the is this? Let's just throw a dragon in here.
[02:00:52] Kenny Thunder: Maybe. Maybe that's where Tolkien got it and all the rest.
Dragons are way cooler than snails. Number three.
Doctors sometimes diagnosed you by examining your pee. Medieval physicians inspected urine's color, smell, consistency, and even taste. In some medical traditions, patients or their servants brought samples in a specialized transparent glass flask called a matula. The flask had.
[02:01:18] Speaker E: A
[02:01:20] Kenny Thunder: flask had a round bladder, like bottom, so the doctor could swirl and hold it up to the light easily. Urine charts or wheels became popular diagnostic tools. They believed these observations could reveal what was happening inside the body, although their conclusions often missed the mark. For instance, sweet urine often indicated the beatus.
[02:01:41] Ronnie Jams: Oh, yeah.
[02:01:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:01:44] Speaker D: That's how they knew.
[02:01:45] Ronnie Jams: I'm just going to repeat what I said earlier. Medieval people were so stupid.
[02:01:48] Speaker E: Good.
[02:01:50] Ronnie Jams: Let me taste this.
[02:01:51] Speaker C: Let me.
[02:01:51] Ronnie Jams: Oh, it's quite pungent.
[02:01:53] Speaker E: Quite.
[02:01:54] Kenny Thunder: Quite tasty. And that, my friends, is facts. Facts for days.
[02:01:58] Ronnie Jams: I'm so glad I don't live in medieval.
[02:02:00] Kenny Thunder: Medieval facts.
[02:02:00] Speaker D: Great facts.
[02:02:03] Ronnie Jams: Would you have liked to live in medieval times?
[02:02:06] Kenny Thunder: Probably not. I mean, the odds are that you'd be a poor farming peasant and you wouldn't have any rights and that I.
[02:02:13] Ronnie Jams: I'd be a. I'd be a knight because I took it.
[02:02:15] Kenny Thunder: And you'd have to take the tip of a sword. That's the only way to take it.
[02:02:19] Speaker D: Yeah, just.
[02:02:19] Ronnie Jams: Or I die trying.
[02:02:20] Speaker D: Fighting sword to sword or ax to sword or knife to knife, like, that just doesn't sound appealing.
[02:02:26] Kenny Thunder: I always think that when I watch Gladiator, that very first scene when they conquered the Germanic tribe and they just like the way that we used to go to war. I mean, even in, like, the Patriot watching, like, the Revolutionary war, just standing 20, that was even crazier because you're.
[02:02:41] Ronnie Jams: You're like 30ft away from each other. You're just like.
[02:02:43] Speaker D: It's just a whole nother lever, a whole nother level of terror.
[02:02:46] Kenny Thunder: You know, I mean, just the courage it would take to stand there and just like. But the thing is, is a lot of people survived. Like, a lot of times the bullets missed.
[02:02:55] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, like. Like smooth war. You're talking about, like, the patriot and that kind of, like, I would. I would definitely not stand there.
[02:03:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:03:03] Ronnie Jams: Like this coward. Like, at least with. With medieval times, I'm like, I kind of control my own destiny here. If I get really good at knife fighting, then I might Be okay.
[02:03:13] Kenny Thunder: I mean, can you imagine? I mean, just the amount of people that died by just bronze and steel just jabbed through you.
[02:03:19] Ronnie Jams: Probably like a quarter of them.
[02:03:20] Kenny Thunder: A lot.
[02:03:21] Ronnie Jams: Quarter of the people.
[02:03:22] Kenny Thunder: I mean, it says at the beginning of Gladiator, what does it say? Like, it says like a quarter of the world's population lived under the Caesars and died under the Caesars.
[02:03:29] Ronnie Jams: Hey, bonus fact. While we're talking about medieval times, did you know the. The black plague or whatever, the. The. The major plague?
[02:03:36] Kenny Thunder: The bubonic plague?
[02:03:37] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, that one. It's back.
Approximately 60% of the entire population of the world, gone.
[02:03:46] Kenny Thunder: That was actually a bonus fact in the facts that I was going to include. I didn't include it because I thought everybody knew about the bubonic plague, but
[02:03:51] Ronnie Jams: I. I mean, I think people don't understand nowadays how big of a number it was. Like, you imagine if half the world died right now?
[02:03:58] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, that'd be insane. There. There have been literally recent cases of bubonic plague.
[02:04:03] Ronnie Jams: I'm glad I don't have it.
[02:04:04] Kenny Thunder: There's like, can you imagine Covid on a scale that was. Was the bubonic plague, like something that was actually not that co didn't kill a lot of people, but like something that was way worse for you, like, physically, just the symptoms and the ailments that come along with it.
[02:04:16] Ronnie Jams: We would definitely not be allowed to go to restaurants.
[02:04:18] Kenny Thunder: No, no, that's for sure. I mean, that was mostly like respiratory. The bubonic plague. You get really, really messed up.
[02:04:25] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, we got long winded here, Bone. What do you think about this?
[02:04:28] Speaker D: Yeah, Making me sleepy. You guys are boring
[02:04:32] Speaker E: back, man.
[02:04:33] Kenny Thunder: Don't just called our show boring.
[02:04:35] Ronnie Jams: Jesus Christ.
[02:04:35] Kenny Thunder: Holy sn.
[02:04:36] Speaker D: Good night. Bon appetit.
[02:04:39] Ronnie Jams: We must be a part of the
[02:04:40] Kenny Thunder: problem and don't be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:04:42] Ronnie Jams: And only you can prevent river fires
[02:04:48] Kenny Thunder: burn it burning river Burn it down Like a deuce Runner in the night
[02:04:58] Ronnie Jams: by the light red at night we
[02:05:03] Kenny Thunder: all left you hanging there Good night, Cleveland.
[02:05:06] Speaker D: Good night.
[02:05:07] Ronnie Jams: A quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's house.
[02:05:21] Kenny Thunder: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into. Into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:05:25] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:05:27] Kenny Thunder: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:05:30] Ronnie Jams: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your Right foot in. And shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the burning river Sports C. Motorboat.
[02:05:41] Speaker C: You play the motorboat?
[02:05:44] Kenny Thunder: You motorboat?
[02:05:45] Ronnie Jams: Son of a.
[02:05:46] Kenny Thunder: You old seal. Are you. You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:05:48] Speaker D: What? What were you?
[02:05:49] Ronnie Jams: Everything. Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[02:05:53] Speaker C: Wow. My name is Uhtred.
[02:05:55] Ronnie Jams: Son of Uhtred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:06:00] Kenny Thunder: Women's Guide to. To Anal Sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[02:06:06] Speaker D: The weather outside is weather.
[02:06:09] Ronnie Jams: The other one. The finger. The finger.
[02:06:10] Kenny Thunder: Eating food.
[02:06:11] Ronnie Jams: Fingers. Oh, my God.
[02:06:13] Kenny Thunder: My ass is full of he.
Everywhere.
[02:06:17] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:06:17] Kenny Thunder: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:06:20] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:06:20] Ronnie Jams: Oh, no.
[02:06:22] Kenny Thunder: We suck again.
[02:06:23] Speaker D: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:06:26] Kenny Thunder: And Jesus.
[02:06:27] Ronnie Jams: And Jesus.
[02:06:28] Speaker D: That's right.
[02:06:29] Ronnie Jams: Touchdown, number one. What do you mean, funny? Funny how?
[02:06:31] Speaker C: How am I funny?
[02:06:32] Ronnie Jams: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:06:35] Kenny Thunder: Timber.
[02:06:37] Ronnie Jams: Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like slow.
[02:06:40] Speaker E: Like.
[02:06:41] Ronnie Jams: Like meat pod.
Slow roasted.
[02:06:46] Kenny Thunder: The leads are weak. Leads are weak.
Leads are weak. You're weak.
[02:06:52] Ronnie Jams: What?
[02:06:53] Kenny Thunder: No browns, baby.
[02:06:55] Ronnie Jams: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what.
[02:06:57] Kenny Thunder: Erroneous.
[02:06:58] Ronnie Jams: Erroneous on both counts.
[02:07:00] Speaker E: Oh, Lord.
[02:07:00] Ronnie Jams: I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:07:05] Kenny Thunder: Wow.
[02:07:06] Ronnie Jams: But damn.
[02:07:06] Kenny Thunder: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:07:12] Ronnie Jams: You know why, mister?
[02:07:13] Kenny Thunder: Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:07:16] Speaker C: I drove an $80,000 BMW.
[02:07:18] Ronnie Jams: That's my name.
I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:07:25] Speaker D: You guys immediately insulted him.
[02:07:28] Kenny Thunder: I desperately want to make love to this cheese girl. We need cheese girl now.
[02:07:32] Ronnie Jams: Down goes Anderson.
[02:07:34] Kenny Thunder: Down goes Anderson. Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now?
[02:07:38] Ronnie Jams: Probably me.
[02:07:39] Kenny Thunder: You making a photo of fat people?
[02:07:42] Ronnie Jams: I'm not just you.
[02:07:44] Kenny Thunder: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:07:47] Ronnie Jams: No way. You're just straight. Just finger banging their salad.
[02:07:52] Speaker D: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:07:58] Kenny Thunder: You like to see almost naked.
[02:07:59] Speaker C: That's cool, man. Whatever. No, no, no, no, no.
[02:08:05] Ronnie Jams: Why you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
[02:08:11] Kenny Thunder: Is this not why you here?
