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[00:01:11] Speaker A: It's time time for the Burning River Sportscast.
And just like that, the off season is a wrap.
Flacco stepped in and played like he had Never left Hawaii 59 had a strong second showing and Shedeur of course had to keep things interesting and remind everyone why he went from pick five to round five.
Months and weeks have turned into days as we count down to the start of the regular season. Should there be more optimism in the air for this iteration of the Cleveland Browns? Are we sleeping on potential success or are we all just about to lose another piece of our soul? We'll find out shortly and we'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:00] Speaker C: Whatever. I'm not reading stats. He look good.
[00:02:04] Speaker A: They are thin like Christina Ricky.
[00:02:06] Speaker C: Last thing I thought I thought it.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Was the best thing that could happen if Joe Flacco plays us here is we win the Super Bowl.
[00:02:12] Speaker A: And it did get me re, you know, excited for quarter chub. The the potential of a Joe Flacco.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: How chubby were you?
[00:02:20] Speaker C: Okay, so it was after the pull out. I didn't know if that conversation after the pull out.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: After that.
[00:02:25] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what it's always a after the pull out.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: Apparently he processes information really fast.
You know, what do I know?
So fast. He probably processed that before I said it.
And I also like that the posturing that his side done said we can go but he can go back to college.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: Who are you right now? His side done said, I don't know.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Sometimes you can't talk.
I would love to go Joe Flacco because he's given me a new hope. Star Wars a new hope. Show me right now for this season.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: Crab cakes and football. That's what Maryland does.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: Suck it. Cincinnati bone is so hard right now.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Welcome in to the Burning River Sportscast presented by the fine folks at tap in media. I'm Kenny Thunder, joined today by a man whose ha is giving up faster than a French army. Soon to have more forehead than an ancient Neanderthal. He's red hot.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: Ronnie Jams still won't have as much as Peyton Manning on the board today.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: He's got more foreskin than an ancient Neanderthal.
Okay, definitely less. But he has just as many skulls on his wall. He's the big Bone man. Hey, Bone, what's the age of consent in California?
[00:03:50] Speaker C: I believe it's 16.
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[00:04:42] Speaker A: You say that now.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see. We're going to recap the final preseason game and all of the drama that came with it. We'll look forward to the regular season. We'll predict the Browns overall record with the return of the schedule game and obviously we will mix in a few shenanigans along the way. So flack around and find out because the regular season is almost upon us now. Let's kick things off by our to call the burger Sports guest hot take.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Highlight.
Don't do that.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: Still.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Still.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:05:12] Speaker C: No number.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: No number.
It's dead.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: Don't call it.
We'll get this together. We promise. Before the regular season starts, we'll have this.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: We'll get our act together.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: We'll get. We gotta get this together soon. Yeah. All right.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: We.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: We'll get that taken care of, but okay, let's. Let's. I guess we're going right into it.
[00:05:28] Speaker A: Changing gears.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: Time for the Burning river rundown.
All right, so before we get into the Browns portion of the Rundown.
This weekend, college football kicks off. It starts Texas versus Ohio State back in Columbus. We are back Saturday, August 30th.
[00:06:02] Speaker A: We are gonna get Doug back.
[00:06:04] Speaker B: Texas ranked number one. Ohio State ranked number three.
For the first time ever, the preseason number one comes into this thing as an underdog.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: How do we get number three in Texas? Number one?
[00:06:15] Speaker B: Because we. Everybody's gone from Ohio State.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: But still, you're the national champs.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: You know, nothing.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: Arch Manning.
[00:06:20] Speaker A: Nothing's changed.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: Arch Manning.
[00:06:21] Speaker C: Arch Manning.
[00:06:22] Speaker B: That's probably Arch Manning.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: I guess. So.
[00:06:24] Speaker B: Here's a better question.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: The guy that couldn't beat out Quinn Ewers.
[00:06:27] Speaker B: No, that's not even the big. That's not even the big question.
I'm okay with Texas being ahead of Ohio State. Why is Penn State ahead of Ohio State?
[00:06:34] Speaker A: Baffling.
[00:06:35] Speaker C: They can't beat us.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:37] Speaker B: Does everybody really think Drew Allar is. Or whatever his name is, is the truth?
[00:06:40] Speaker C: I don't think so.
[00:06:41] Speaker A: They'll. They'll find out. On a cold day and November, it.
[00:06:45] Speaker B: Seems like every time Penn State is good, they. They still can't get past Ohio State.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: But anyways, we're talking about Texas, Ohio State. Cause it's. It's. We're kicking off the season with that game. I love it when Ohio State has a big game to start the season. Like somewhere in those first three games, I think the last couple years, Oregon, when Oregon's been good.
And it. It just. It just really sets the tone, especially if you get that win right off the rip.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: I mean, you let everybody know.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, speaking of letting everyone know who you got in this game.
[00:07:17] Speaker A: I mean, clearly the Buckeyes, Julian say, is going to just light this thing up.
I'm. I'm pretty excited to see the next.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: He's going to say Arch Manning who.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: The next great Buckeye quarterback.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: So I'm. I'm looking forward to this. Look, I. And we've talked about this in the past, like, they've got to f. Like the scheduling and the matchups early in the season because for a long time it was really bad, but this was not really bad, to the credit of the NCAA and the. The schedule makers. Like, they're finally getting on board here with getting some really nice premier matchups early on in the.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: And I was going to say it's finally starting to pay off because we actually saw Ohio State shift quite a few years ago, but, you know, they schedule things, like eight years ahead of time. So they started announcing all these big series between. It was Oregon and Texas and I believe Notre Dame and like all these other teams, but they were still like eight years away when they first scheduled them. So we're finally starting to see some of those games, some of those, you know, back to back series where it's a home and away or whatever.
[00:08:11] Speaker A: And look, it's the Buckeyes, right? Like they're our break from the Browns. They're the 1 football team from Ohio that's very good, consistent, consistently reliable and fun to watch. Yeah, like, I'm very much looking forward to this season of Buckeye football.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Bone, who you got?
[00:08:27] Speaker C: Ohio State.
We got this receiver. His name is Jeremiah Smith.
[00:08:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Best receiver in the country.
[00:08:34] Speaker C: So good. And then the rest of our receipt, our receiving corps, they're no slouches.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: So is, is he draft eligible after this year?
Is he drafted eligible after this year?
[00:08:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's that we talk about people that you could take in the first round and change your franchise.
[00:08:49] Speaker A: Well, and that's kind of what I was thinking. Like I'm, you know, we've been talking about Manning and the quarterbacks. I mean, Jeremiah, can you imagine if you added that guy?
[00:08:55] Speaker C: We have another guy in the defense named Caleb Downs.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I was just. That's like you beat me to it. That's where I was going with mine. I've got Ohio State, this one as well. I do think it's going to be a very close game, but I think, I think what, what everybody's sleeping on is Ohio State's defense, Right. And I think Caleb Downs is going to be a true difference maker. Like, I don't think he's actually going to win the Heisman because, you know, it's so hard to win the Heisman as a defensive player. But I think maybe he starts getting into that conversation this year, especially if they let him do anything besides just be on defense, if he gets into the return game at all or anything like that, like.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: Well, in a stage like this helps make the case if you can, if you can torment that.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: That team.
[00:09:33] Speaker A: So, yeah, I'm excited to see Arch Manning.
[00:09:36] Speaker B: I am too.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: I mean, look, I mean, we're talking about a guy that is already being looked at as the number one.
[00:09:42] Speaker B: I mean, everybody's tying him to the Browns right now and the Browns fans all get to see him. Week one of the college football season. Right.
[00:09:48] Speaker A: So, yeah, I'm real curious to see if he meets the moment quite honestly, like just based on last year, like, I'm not I'm not sure if he can't. Like, I'm not saying he's bad, but I don't like, it's the lineage, I think gets clouded with the reality, which is like, I don't know, just because you're related, does that make you good?
[00:10:05] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: So I think we'll get to see firsthand, like, how good he is because you're playing a real football team out there.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I do like that his, his grandpa was like, oh, he's going back to Texas next year so that he, you know, whatever. And Archbannon came. I was like, I don't know what he's talking about because he didn't get that for me.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: Look, I mean, they play these games all the time, right? But like, would. You're projected to be a first round pick. You can't walk away from the generational wealth that, that, yeah, it could be for you and risk and injury.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: College football is changing the game.
Now, they could pay you millions too.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Fair enough. But that money's going to run out faster than your NFL contract.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: That's true, that's true.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: Because, I mean, until the problem is when you're the first college football player signs $100 million contract, like, it's always going to be.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Well, I was going to say the problem though is where, like you get an arch Manning where he can make like 20 million in the, in college football and your rookie contracts are set. Like, you're only going to get so much for the first however many years. So what if he gets hurt in the first however many years and then he doesn't get another contract?
[00:11:00] Speaker A: What if he tears an Achilles in Texas?
[00:11:02] Speaker B: That's all fair, but he's got that money now. I don't know, it's. It just, it's interesting what, what the NIL is doing to players coming out.
Yeah, I'm, I'm excited to see it though. But yeah, let's get into Brown stuff. You guys see, Chris Maloney was at Brown's practice.
[00:11:23] Speaker A: In the criminal justice system, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous. In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. And these are their stories.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Apparently, this is Chris Maloney.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: I mean, Deshawn had to be on edge all week. Right?
[00:11:41] Speaker C: Right.
[00:11:42] Speaker B: Oh, you're scared.
[00:11:43] Speaker C: He's like, is this guy coming to study me?
[00:11:45] Speaker A: Like, Elliot Stabler out there?
[00:11:48] Speaker B: Just every time he walked by, Deshawn's just like hiding behind.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: He's the incredible Case of the disappearing.
[00:11:54] Speaker C: Man Getting inside the mind of a criminal.
[00:11:59] Speaker B: Oh, man. And with that, we are officially go back down to zero days since we've talked about.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah, starts over now.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: Starts over now.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: That one was too. It was. I mean, that one was low hanging fruit. Yeah, you had to go there.
[00:12:12] Speaker B: Sometimes you have to sacrifice something like that for. For the good of the joke, you know?
[00:12:16] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
But now, preseason week three, guys, let's. Let's recap that game real quick. The game against the Rams.
First of all, defense looks solid. I didn't think there were anything. They were spectacular, but they looked solid.
I think a lot of the starters, I mean, like main starters, Miles Garrett obviously didn't play.
A few of the other defensive guys didn't play.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: So quite honestly, when I go back to the beginning of that game, the Browns did whatever they wanted to. I mean, they had the first series on offense, which is a little shaky, but then they marched right down the field the second time and LA had a really hard time moving to football.
[00:12:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: What it reminded me of, at least early on, and I know things change and the game got closer at the end, but at least early on, watching the Browns starters versus the backups for la, it kind of reminded me of the, the conversation that we always have about, like, what if the best college football team played the worst NFL team? They get killed because you got to think like, everybody that was playing for the Rams, even though their backups in the NFL was the best player on their college football team.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: And the Browns just manhandled them every time.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: That conversation.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: At least early on in that game.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Every time that conversation comes up, I just laugh because I'm like, they would get beat by 40.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:26] Speaker B: Like it wouldn't even be. And, and that they would get beat by 40 by like halftime and they would take out all their starters like it wouldn't even close.
[00:13:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:33] Speaker B: So. Yeah, no, I'm with you. It was, it was kind of nice to see at the beginning of the game just like, I mean, if they could play like this, we'll be okay.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: What I, what I did think was funny was there was a point in the third or fourth quarter of the game where Joe Thomas had talked about, had talked about the Rams really not bringing any of their starters out or any of their players out, and that, you know, maybe Roger Goodell was going to have to have a word with them about, you know, putting a competitive product on the field, even though it's preseason. And then I was like, bro, like, they took the lead with two minutes left. Like, with their backups.
I don't think they have anything to apologize for.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: Also. I just don't understand that logic because, I mean, it's not like we don't know the preseason doesn't mean anything. Like, it's just them trying to really. They're trying out backups. Like, that's what they're doing. That's the whole point of the preseason.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Right.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: I mean, obviously you'd like to see the starters at least a little bit, but if you don't like, that's not you still uncommon anymore.
[00:14:31] Speaker C: You're making decisions on the roster, so you got to see these guys.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: If anything, it was almost disappointing that when the Browns reserves got in that things got so tight.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: Because they were playing a bunch of nobodies out there. But that's neither here nor there. I mean, ultimately, you know, they win the game. A lot of guys looked good, saw some really. Some really good performances out of a few guys that I'm sure we'll talk about here in a minute. But.
And obviously the quarterback conversation got really interesting, which I know we'll cover as well.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: But yeah, before we get to all that, let's talk about the kickers, because we love talking about kickers on this program. And Dustin Hopkins missed another extra point.
I'm pretty sure he missed two. Did he have another one that was close this week that they called good, but was like, right on the edge.
[00:15:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, he's shaky as as hell right now.
And I'll continue to say, like, you can't.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Can we keep Andrew Schmidt? Schmidt.
Schmidt.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: Is that kid 14?
Like, have you seen him?
[00:15:24] Speaker B: I don't know. But can we keep him? Because he had a game winner with ice in his butthole from 37 yards.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: He's swimming in that jersey. He looks like me as a child.
[00:15:33] Speaker B: He's better than Dustin Hopkins, but he's.
[00:15:35] Speaker A: Better than Dustin Hopkins. I mean, Dustin, the ship has sailed. It's left the harbor. You are not an NFL kicker.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: Like, seriously, cuts are this week. Like, they might actually come out before we release this, this episode, because we record on Mondays. But like this, like, you think he makes the final roster? I don't know that he does.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: I mean, that Schmidt kid has been around since OTAs at the end of last season. He was on the practice squad.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: I'm going to go out on a limb right now and say, I honestly, like, I am officially predicting that Dustin Hopkins gets cut.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: I would.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Because you can't trade kickers. In the NFL today. So he's going to get cut.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: I can't imagine they're going to cut him as much as that's the right move. I mean, look, the NFL is a pay for performance league and you're not performing so that you have to go in another direction there.
Browns are the Browns. The Browns is the Browns. And they're going to do Browns things. They're going to keep Dustin Hopkins on this roster to intentionally lose games.
[00:16:29] Speaker C: Well, he's still on the books. We owe him this much money.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: I will say the front office has a problem with like pride right now. Like they have this whole regime and not being able to cut ties with people soon enough.
[00:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:40] Speaker B: So I mean, yeah, I mean this.
[00:16:42] Speaker A: Is a no brainer.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: We don't need to go back to mentioning the name again already.
[00:16:45] Speaker C: But we were given a playoff roster and we have decimated in these last five years.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: I will, I will take.
What is his name? Andre Schmidt.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: Andre Schmidt.
[00:16:55] Speaker A: I'll take Andre Smith.
I'll take him swimming in a jersey. Missing kicks all season long before I take a guy that, like, I know is because at least there's a chance. This kick where it's a roller coaster.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: Every time he gets out there, you're.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: Like, I mean, I fully expect him to miss every.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: He's either gonna miss by 40 or he's gonna hit it from 57. Like you don't know. Nobody knows.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean that is an absolute disaster. I. The fact that we're even having this conversation right now, like, is. Is especially if this team overperforms under Joe Flacco to have the kicker potentially ruin a number of close games, like, is just going to be devastating.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree.
Before we get to the quarterbacks because that's. That's next up on the agenda here. Anybody stand out to you guys in this game?
We'll start with Bone.
[00:17:43] Speaker C: I'm going to go back to Carson Swishinger. Swishinger.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: He stood out to you with no stats.
[00:17:49] Speaker C: What do you mean?
[00:17:49] Speaker A: We're in the green dot.
[00:17:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I was just looking at the.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: Well, whatever. I'm not reading stats. He looked good.
He had the early cube. He had the early QB pressure. He just looks super fast.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:01] Speaker C: And then what I did want to get to was his interview after the game. Like, I always thought he kind of seemed small, but they had him next to Mason Graham.
[00:18:09] Speaker A: Big dude.
[00:18:09] Speaker C: Dude, he's big.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: So I was just giving you a hard time.
[00:18:12] Speaker C: No, that's good.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: I just. Because I just looked and I was like, I don't think he had a single stat in this game.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: No, and he did, he did have that pressure.
He came from like the three technique. They had him down low, right up the middle point.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: That was his only stat.
[00:18:23] Speaker C: I mean, I think, I think he was untouched, but he was there in a second, you know.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I actually agree with you. I mean, he flies to the ball. He is a, he is a fast guy out there and he looks like he belongs and he's been there for a while, so.
[00:18:37] Speaker A: And I like the versatility and, and I heard a lot this week from Jim Schwartz, from Kevin Stefanski about how like he is just light years ahead from a knowledge of the game awareness standpoint to be able to call that defense that they generally don't, you know, entrust a rookie with that kind of like role on field and that they feel totally comfortable with him doing it.
Which is encouraging because you, you're going to have to have a stud at that linebacker position because they are, they are thin. Like Christina Ricky, last thing I thought.
[00:19:05] Speaker C: I thought it was funny. I, I, I forget the, it was.
[00:19:07] Speaker B: Like, I think Christina Rich.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: A lot.
[00:19:11] Speaker C: Adidi Kinkawalla or whatever, the sideline reporter, she asked him and Mason Graham, she goes, which one of you two does Jim Schwartz like better? Yeah, both kind of looked at each other and, and Mason Graham's like, I think it's him. Like, he's like, yeah.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:19:27] Speaker C: I thought that was funny.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: Kenny, who, who stood out to you?
[00:19:30] Speaker A: How about my new favorite Brown?
[00:19:32] Speaker B: You got a new one? Who is the last one that you named? Got cut immediately. Was, was towed. Toad to tagy, whatever he was. Yeah, the running back, he got cut instantly.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: We knew he was here for a short time. Not a long time, a good time, not a long time.
How about a guy named Eden Huntington?
[00:19:47] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: This guy has impressed me all preseason long. He's been playing a lot of special teams and for 6 foot 1, 282 pounds or whatever he is, he is always the first guy down the field on kickoffs and he's been lighting dudes up on return all preseason long. And he had a hell of a game Saturday against la.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Five tackles, one and a half sacks.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: Like that's a guy that has to be on your roster.
That is a high motor, just beast of a man. He's got incredible quickness for a guy his size.
I'm so looking forward to him making the team and being an actual force on that defensive line all year long.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: 6, 1, 2, 81 that might be the answer at defensive end that we've been looking for.
[00:20:26] Speaker A: Well, he plays inside, so he probably won't play. He's listed as defensive end, but is he listed as an edge? Yeah.
[00:20:32] Speaker C: Okay, wait, is he a rookie or did we get him last year and he got hurt?
[00:20:35] Speaker A: He's a rookie at a two lane.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Two lane. Yep.
[00:20:39] Speaker A: So, yeah, like, I. Like he wasn't a guy that had any kind of, like, name recognition coming in, but, man, he has played his ass off in this preseason season.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Nice. I like it. I'm gonna go with the obvious. Joe Flacco, 9 of 10 for 71 yards at a touchdown. I accept you. Yes. And I've. I've revised my. You've. You've posed the question to us multiple times. Like, what's the best thing that could happen if Joe Flacco plays this year? The best thing that could happen if Joe Flacco plays this year is we win the super bowl and the. We got Jacksonville's pick. They're gonna go oh and 17. So we win the super bowl and we get the number one pick. Arch Manning's the heir apparent. It start over.
[00:21:15] Speaker C: Hell yes.
[00:21:16] Speaker A: Or he draft Jeremiah Smith and have Joe Flacker play one more year. Try to repeat.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: We just keep going. One more year. Joe Flacco, one more year.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: I mean, if he can spin it at 40, why can't he spin it?
[00:21:26] Speaker B: I mean, one. If. If one of these two rookies right now pans out, like, throughout the year and grows or whatever. And I mean, Dylan Gabriel's not going to grow, but.
[00:21:37] Speaker A: Hawaii 5, 9.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: But I'm just saying, like, I've now revised that, like, Joe Flacco wins the super bowl and we get the number one pick. Yes. I can have my cake and eat it, too.
[00:21:46] Speaker A: Okay, I'm not ready to go there with you yet.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Just shut your mouth and know your role.
[00:21:52] Speaker A: But I will say this. Watching Joe Flacco, he's the best quarterback.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: That'S ever played for the Browns Orchestrate.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: That offense, reminded me that he is the best quarterback the Cleveland Browns have had since 1999. Yeah, he looked crisp. He looked fresh. He looked good. For a guy that's 40 years old.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: He didn't look 40.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: He looked.
[00:22:09] Speaker B: Aaron Rodgers looks 40.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: He looked plenty. He looked good and it did get me re. You know, excited for quarter chub.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: The.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: The potential of a Joe Flacker.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: How chubby were you?
[00:22:20] Speaker A: If he stays healthy and makes good decisions, like, this team could. Could do something.
[00:22:25] Speaker B: Vision 54.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Look, look, here's the thing. I try not to get overly excited here.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: Good excited Browns fan. And I've been here before. Yeah. But I could, you know, kind of like, what's that beautiful mind? Like, I could kind of see the pieces starting to come together to where it was like. Like, you know, number of things go right. Joe Flacco could lead this team into the playoffs and maybe make a run. They've got a lot of good talent on this roster.
It's just. It's kind of in. In spots. It's not like head to toe, like the best roster in football, but you've got a lot of good players still. We talked about Denzel Ward last week being in his prime. You know, Miles is still a force. That defensive line looks scary.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: Denzel Ward's hurt again.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: Well, he's. He's always hurt, but. But he usually finds a way to make it to the field at least, like, 14 times a year.
So I could kind of. I could kind of see, like, I'm not there with you yet, but, like, better get there. I'm closer to being on board than I was there.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: I'm. I'm on board now.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: I still is. Look, I'm excited to watch Joe and watch competitive football. I'm. I still don't agree that that's what's best for the Browns going forward, because how can that.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: If he wins the super bowl and Jacksonville goes Owen 17 and we get the number one pick, how can that not be what's best for them?
[00:23:32] Speaker A: Making the assumption that we do anything besides win the super bowl, even if.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: We go deep in the playoffs and Jacksonville. If we get the number one pick from Jacksonville, win, win, win.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: But I think then. Then my hope is that, like, Joe Flacco doesn't win the super bowl and ride off into the sunset. It's Joe Flacco comes back for another year.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: I hope he does, because that's the only thing that could top the legend that is Cleveland Browns quarterback Joe Flacco from a few years ago is if he won the super bowl for us, then he's like, peace, I'm out of here.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: Okay, look, we. Let me.
[00:24:04] Speaker B: I don't want.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: I'm excited, but I gotta. I gotta bring you down. I gotta bring a dose of reality back to this conversation.
[00:24:11] Speaker B: All right, let me hear it.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: Because the year Joe Flacco was here was magical. Let's not forget Joe Flacco was really good. That defense was the best defensive unit in the league.
Okay, well, let me throw some names at you.
[00:24:26] Speaker B: Okay?
[00:24:26] Speaker A: Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence.
Davis Mills, Trevor Simeon, Kenny Pickett.
[00:24:34] Speaker B: These are guys that beat Joe Flacco.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: Clayton Toon, Gardner Minshew, Ryan Tannehill. That accounted for eight of the Browns wins that season.
Clayton Toon.
Can you guys tell me what Clayton Toon is doing today?
[00:24:51] Speaker C: No.
[00:24:52] Speaker B: I can't even tell you who he played for that year.
[00:24:53] Speaker A: No, you can't. You can't because he played for the Arizona Cardinals. We beat him 37.
[00:25:01] Speaker B: Of course you were.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: Bones. If. And look, I know anything can happen in the NFL season. Not everybody stays healthy. But like, that's not a murderer's row of quarterbacks. And we know what drives this league. It's quarterbacks. Like, no wonder that defense was ranked number one. Joe Flask was in a lot of good positions. Yeah, he played. He did his part and played well. But like the, the. The competition level. Competition, at least on paper right now looking at the schedule is very different.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: So I'm just going to go with this. You.
Those names. Right.
So let's just look at the first. We'll call it six weeks of the season. Right.
Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love, Jared Goff, J.J. mcCarthy. McCarthy. What's his last name?
[00:25:45] Speaker A: McCarthy.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: He's a. He's a Wolverine.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
And then over in Pittsburgh we got Aaron Rodgers.
[00:25:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So I mean the competition level is a little different. Different.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: In those. Just those first six weeks.
[00:25:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:59] Speaker B: I mean, and that's.
I'm looking through the schedule here to see who else we've got. I mean, you also got Josh Allen this year.
Yeah.
[00:26:08] Speaker A: So again, just. Just. Just that small dose of reality. Like keep that in mind before we get over excited.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: All right.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: Well, the level of competition was very different.
[00:26:17] Speaker B: I see.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Hell, PJ Walker won a game that year.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: I see what you're saying.
[00:26:23] Speaker C: That was against San Francisco, but I.
[00:26:25] Speaker B: Also don't give a shit. I'm living in bliss over here.
I am the typical Browns fan right now. And while this will probably change some when we get into schedule. Game later.
Right now I'm just assuming we're winning the super bowl and.
And Jacksonville is going to finish oh. And 17 and we get the number one pick.
[00:26:43] Speaker C: So the team's actually going to play hard this year because they know Joe Flacco is under center.
[00:26:47] Speaker B: I do think that that's true. That's a big. That's the main problem last year was nobody wanted to play for. For that guy that will not be named.
[00:26:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that. That's.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: I almost did it. I caught Myself, that's true.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: I think the team likes and respects Joe a lot and they're going to give their best effort and so we'll see where things are. I just think the conversation to this point with Joe, I think especially has been what does his drop off look like just being that he's two years older. Like, does he. Can he compete at that same level? He looked good on Saturday.
[00:27:13] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: Can he do that over the stretch of the whole season?
[00:27:16] Speaker B: That's fair. And let's go through their numbers just real quick. Joe Flacco nine at 10, 71 yards a touchdown. Dylan Gabriel, Hawaii five nine, as Kenny calls him 12 of 19 for 129 yards and one touchdown. No interceptions. Shador Sanders three of six for 14 yards, took five sacks for 41 yards.
And Tyler Huntley one of one for seven yards to defend.
[00:27:39] Speaker C: Shador, one of those sacks was like 30 yards.
[00:27:42] Speaker A: True to defend should do. One of those sacks was 30 yards. But he ran backwards.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: That's true. It was, it was the, like, I'm the best athlete on the field. It was like that, that wake up call for a lot of rookies where they're like, oh, these defensive ends run just as fast as.
[00:27:57] Speaker C: I can't do that.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: A little bit like John.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: Even these defensive tackles run almost as fast as I did.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: A little bit like Johnny Manziel in his first preseason game.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Was that the one where he laid.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: There and just got lit up? Well, that was Buffalo where he did the undertaker in the end zone.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: That's my, one of my favorite Cleveland Browns levels. Not because I thought it was good, but it was the funniest thing I ever saw on the football field. Except for maybe the butt fumble. That was pretty good.
[00:28:19] Speaker A: He did the rip right there in the end zone.
[00:28:21] Speaker B: He's like, I'm not getting up from this.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: Look, the quarterback conversation certainly got interesting. I mean, it fueled a whole lot of speculation and talk this week to.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: The point where even, even Mary Kay had to ask Kevin Staphaski about sabotaging Shador Sanders.
[00:28:41] Speaker A: Well, and, and she's not the only one, right? TJ Hushmanzada has come out and talked about this. Eric Dickerson this week, talked about on our own page.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: And, and I mean, I think this is on the, a little, a little bit of the extreme side of things.
But, you know, we're doing a giveaway right now, which we'll talk more about later. We're doing a signed David Ajoku jersey giveaway and there's a social Media post up about it. Some guy tried to hijack it with telling us that it was all completely racially motivated and, and that that was why they're not playing Shador. And I agree with you that it's suspicious that they're not giving Shador.
But I. It just. Everybody, literally everybody's talking about this.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: I will say this. There's. There's two things here, which is one, if Hawaii 59 had had that same performance, was what, three of six for 15 yards and took 40 yards in sacks, five of those. Yeah, we would crucify him. We would be. We would be done. We'd be like, we've seen enough. Dylan Gabriel's not a player in the NFL, so I want him, like, as much as I still. I still like Shador, I still think there's a lot of potential there.
I. I think to be fair, like, if we have to be realistic about, like, if this was on the other way around, we would be totally done with Dylan Gabriel at this point.
[00:29:55] Speaker B: All of these things were why I didn't agree with the guy on Facebook. But go on.
[00:29:59] Speaker A: That being said this week, especially this upcoming week, because that all that noise is going to continue now because we have all this time to fill before the regular season start, is the first legitimate reason that I can see why Shoulder Sanders fell to the fifth round. Because this is the kind of noise that your football team doesn't need. Any football team to the point where we're talking about is, is Kevin Stefanski a racist? Like, is there.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Are we.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Are we actively sabotaging? So Dorsey kind of see it in.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: His face when Mary Kay asked a question. He was just kind of like, dejected. He was like, this is like, seriously, this is why I didn't want to do this.
[00:30:36] Speaker A: But to be fair, what was the purpose of pulling him out of the final drive? He had a chance to maybe redeem himself, lead a game.
[00:30:43] Speaker B: You honestly could have put this whole thing to bed if you just let him play.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: Because if he does it again, if he comes out and doesn't lead a game, if he leads a game winning drive, it doesn't matter.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:52] Speaker B: Because then him and Dylan Gabriel are still just.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: Depending on where you put Kenny Pickett, either 2A and 2B or 3A and 3B.
But, like, they're still just even, right?
[00:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:06] Speaker B: And. But. But instead what he did was he took him out and now it's like, fan the flames. Yeah. He just, like, you could have buried it if he would have. If he would have fell on his face. Like, you're like, this is why, like, that's all you got to do. You came back and say, we still believe in Shador, but this is why he's QB4 right now.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: Right.
[00:31:19] Speaker C: I don't remember the sequence of events, but was it. Didn't Shador come off the sidelines and say something to Stefan? You can see him like physically like shaking.
[00:31:27] Speaker B: He didn't know he was getting taken out.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Shaking his head. Like, what it.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: Why he went, he went on a walk first down the sideline just to kind of clear his head. Head. And then when he came back, he did.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: He was on the.
[00:31:36] Speaker A: I don't want to say he was.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: On the bike for a while. He was like warming up.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: I don't want to say he was in Stefanski's face. But he, he, there was a, a confrontation where he basically asked like why he was being pulled out because he.
[00:31:45] Speaker C: Thought, okay, so it was after the pull out. I didn't know if that conversation after.
[00:31:49] Speaker B: The pull out, after that.
[00:31:51] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: Always a mess after the pull out.
[00:31:54] Speaker C: I didn't know if it was like, if it was like a punishment or not. But that, that situation happened after.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah. And according to Stefanski, like, it was, it wasn't a pun. They just whatever he said was we want to give Snoop another chance or whatever. Which like makes no sense because Snoop Huntley's been in the NFL for a number of years and we cut him the next day. Pro bowl, has been in the pro.
[00:32:12] Speaker B: He literally didn't make it 24 hours past that. He got cut.
[00:32:14] Speaker A: He's had plenty of auditions in the NFL.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:18] Speaker A: And like we were talking about this off earlier to your point. Like, he completed one pass on the drive, so it wasn't like he orchestrated this magnificent game winning drive.
[00:32:24] Speaker B: Well, that, that's significant because you also had these people, you know, all the Schnorr haters online are like, see, this is why he's terrible. But then all the Shador, you know, the, the guys that are big Shador fans were like, well, they put him behind a terrible line and this, that and the other thing. And then the Shador haters came back and they're like, Tyler Huntley orchestrated a game winning drive with the same offensive line. He completed one pass for seven yards. He didn't orchestrate anything.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I will say there was a measurable, visible difference in Shadora's footwork.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: From game one to what we saw on Saturday.
[00:32:55] Speaker B: I think he was just under duress.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: More.
[00:32:57] Speaker B: And he just didn't know what to do with it.
[00:32:58] Speaker A: And that's potentially the. The biggest culprit there. But the. The calm and the poise that we saw during his first performance was not there. He was. He was drifting, backpedaling.
[00:33:07] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: Trying to get away. And to be fair, like, he had guys. And there's penetration on every one of those plays. Even the running plays got blown up on those drives.
So it did feel like, comparatively, like not accusing Stefanski of sabotaging him. It did appear maybe the play calling was different.
[00:33:25] Speaker B: Well, I actually the.
[00:33:27] Speaker A: The ability to. To maybe make some of those passes. Like, it just seemed like he called the game a little differently when Shador came in.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: I don't know that he was sabotaging him, but I. I do think that there is a. A serious.
I mean, there's. There's evidence that they don't like Shador.
[00:33:41] Speaker A: Well, and that's the problem. Right.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: I don't think he's sabotaging him. I just think that they don't like him. And so as, like, he's not their guy. And so they just. Whatever it is, no matter. They always take a critical line on him. Whereas Dylan Gabriel. It's favorable. It's. It's. It's apologetic. It's. If he makes a mistake, it's like, well, he's learning. He's growing. Whatever He's. We've discussed that. He's not grow.
Like, that's what it is. And that's where I don't. I.
I don't think it's a racist thing. I just think it's. They just don't like Shador. He's not their guy.
[00:34:10] Speaker A: Agreed. When I think that's the problem is that you've made undermining Shador a plausible possibility.
[00:34:19] Speaker B: Right.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: Like, no one would be. Like, no one would be surprised if that did come out.
[00:34:22] Speaker B: And we talked about it last week.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: No one would be surprised. We'd be like, that makes sense. That falls in line with everything we heard all off season and we talked.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: About it last week is. It's to the point where it's like. Like, you guys don't like him so much that you can't even force yourselves to hide the fact that you don't like him. Like, your body language. Him and Andrew Barry both. Every time they talk about him, it's like, I can't believe I'm being forced to talk about this guy again.
[00:34:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:44] Speaker B: And so, yeah, I mean, I'm with you. It's. It's the Fact that you've allowed this to become a story and, and that this is.
[00:34:50] Speaker A: They've built it themselves.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: They want to talk about Shador being a distraction. They've manufactured this distraction.
[00:34:57] Speaker B: I just.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: I just try emoji as a.
I.
[00:35:05] Speaker C: Keep trying to rap.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: What are you? Gen Z Gen. What. What is this?
[00:35:09] Speaker B: I don't know what happened. What happened.
[00:35:12] Speaker C: The only way I can rationalize this is.
Is what they've say they want to. They want to run a level 10 offense. Like difficulty. That's their standard. Like, is Shador just like at a 2 and Gabriel's at an 8, you know, and that's all they can do with them. Just from the first game was like, we're running 11.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: They're trying to outsmart the entire room.
[00:35:30] Speaker C: That's the only way I can rationalize it is he's just not getting or something like that. And then as a result, maybe they threw level seven at him at this game and it. That's what happened. He couldn't make his reads, he couldn't see the field. He.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: Blah, blah, blah.
[00:35:42] Speaker C: Obviously people face. But I'm like, that's the only way I can rationalize it. Whereas the first game they gave him level two the whole time and he got to do what he did. And you know, at Colorado around, throw the ball.
[00:35:53] Speaker B: I think there's a coaching problem. Right.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: But that's a fair criticism to lob because if that is the case, if they were just trying to. If they were. If they were, they weren't necessarily undermining Shador at that point. They were saying, here's our standard. You're going to play it. And if he's not capable at this point to run it, then he was going to fail and it was going to be obvious to everyone.
[00:36:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:36:13] Speaker A: So even though it's not necessarily undermining, it was maybe still trying to prove a point internally to themselves that, like, he's not capable of running the offense that we want to run right now.
[00:36:22] Speaker B: Well, here's the thing too, is, is there's quarterbacks that have existed in the league that they don't operate at a 10 at all times. Like, they run a two offense and they. And some of them have had hall of Fame careers doing it.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:34] Speaker B: So like, to me, that's a coaching thing. If, if you've got a guy that can win games and consistently. I'm not. I don't know if Shador is that guy or not. I'm just saying if. If there's the potential is there, why Wouldn't you keep it at that level for him and see what he can do?
[00:36:47] Speaker A: And I've actually been reading about this a little bit in that so much of the college game has changed to where they've tried to simplify playbooks and calls to where the. The difference for, like, a guy like Joe Flacco, he came out with the, you know, Spider 2Y, X banana and like that. That terminology.
And that was the Standard Breaking news vs.
[00:37:13] Speaker B: The Browns have traded Kenny Picket to Las Vegas.
[00:37:15] Speaker A: Really?
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Just happened. We're recording on Monday, people, so you'll get this on Thursday.
Welcome for that news.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: But anyway, in the college world with. With the wristbands and your shirt's outdated. The wristbands and the placards, they've tried to. Instead of having all these calls, tell her, everybody what to do, they've simplified it. And they just call that play Cadillac.
[00:37:34] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:34] Speaker A: And so. And that's starting to bleed in the NFL now. Where.
Who's in. Who's in Denver? I can't think of his name right now. From New Orleans, from Sean Payton.
He. He is starting to do that with Bo Nicks. And that's what they've. They've tried to simplify the calls on their offense instead of having all these confusing.
[00:37:49] Speaker B: Because that's what a good coach does. They adjust to their players, your players.
[00:37:52] Speaker A: And you say, hey, look, everybody knows what you do on Cadillac. Then we don't have to call it 18 different things. You just call Cadillac and everybody does Cadillac.
[00:37:59] Speaker C: Well, I think that's been a criticism. You guys have brought up a ton of Stefan, where he runs like a level 7 difficulty play every time. It's like nobody gets it. We lose 20 yards.
[00:38:07] Speaker A: And the circumstance calls for a level two.
[00:38:09] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:38:10] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:38:10] Speaker C: Or he doesn't.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: It's my biggest problem with the whole front office is, is. Is they really. They come off as is the prototypical snobby Ivy League people. Like, they think they're the smartest guys in the room at all times. And even if they are, it's to a point where you're just hurting yourselves and you're hurting the team. And here's the thing. These guys are football players.
[00:38:31] Speaker C: Force.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: They're football players. And I'm not saying football players are dumb. I'm just saying football players play football. Like they don't. They don't need to be an engineer on every single play of the game. They don't need to be a surgeon.
[00:38:44] Speaker A: What? And this might get me in trouble. Oh, boy.
I. I find it Hard bone.
[00:38:51] Speaker B: You got the sensor ready?
[00:38:53] Speaker A: I find it hard to believe, Like, I don't know the guy. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Dylan Gabriel is this wunderkind of, like, intellect.
[00:39:04] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: Purely just based on the way he looks. He always looks dead in the eyes to me.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: He's definitely getting us in trouble.
Damn it.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: Every time they talk to him, I'm like, what is he looking at? Like, he's looking through whoever he's talking to. So I guess they're saying he's far surpasses where Shador's at right now. That's fine.
It seems odd to me, based on. On how he acts, his mannerisms, the way he talks, that he is some different level of intellect thinker on the field than any other player they've ever seen.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't imagine that he is, but, I mean, apparently he processes information really fast.
You know, what do I know?
So fast? He probably processed that before I said.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: It.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: But yeah, I don't know. I don't even know where we were going with this quarterback conversation, to be honest with you. I just think we were just.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: Well, look, it is the conversation still.
[00:39:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:58] Speaker A: Joe Flack continues to be. Things are going to be fine, but ultimately, like, you still have a decision to make with both of these guys, and I do think it's important that that's like, relax, they are both rookies. Like, let's not overblow anything here. We haven't seen either one of them play a real NFL game where it counts. Right. And that's going to be very different. It was funny they asked Dylan that. And Dylan, actually, we talked about these guys losing press conferences the last couple of weeks. Dylan had a very good press conference after the game. I actually thought, like, that was the first time that I saw him command a bunch people in front of him and sounded like he was a quarterback.
[00:40:30] Speaker B: He was an NFL quarterback.
[00:40:32] Speaker A: But they had asked him about, like, hey, you're. You don't do well at practice. Basically paraphrasing, you don't do that well at practice, but you play pretty well in both games. Like, is there something different? Like, when the lights turn on?
And he was pretty much like, yeah.
[00:40:47] Speaker B: Great, great press conference.
[00:40:51] Speaker A: Which is just. It's just interesting to go from the analytics talk and. And to the player mentality. And there is something different to be said. Like, when it counts, it's different. And, you know, we really haven't seen that from. From either guy yet when it matters. So I think that's still the litmus test that we have to follow and see going forward. What are you going to do? Yeah, so ultimately, like they're going to have ups and downs, ebbs and flows, the rookie quarterbacks, like, they're just not going to be that good.
[00:41:17] Speaker B: And so we won't talk about Pickett though. The. Sorry, I'm just moving us along here.
Quarterback's room. We finally have an answer. It all kind of fleshed itself out on its own. Dylan Gabriel played well in the last preseason game. Joe Flacco still here. Kenny Pickett's gone. And by the way, the information on the trade, it was for a 5th round pick is what they got back.
[00:41:37] Speaker A: Kenny Pickett for Kenny Pickett.
[00:41:38] Speaker B: Aiden o', Connell, the backup in Las Vegas, got injured in the preseason finale, fractured his wrist out six to eight weeks. So they needed a quarterback bad.
[00:41:47] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:41:48] Speaker B: And then Chador Sanders got to be third string.
[00:41:50] Speaker A: All right, finish your thought. I. I interrupted you with a technical difficulty.
You don't remember your thought.
[00:41:56] Speaker B: QB1, Joe Flacco, QB2 is just Justin Dylan Gabriel and QB3 is Shador Sanders. So it clear itself up.
[00:42:06] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:42:07] Speaker B: We don't have to have four quarterbacks. Even though it was cool on the shirt.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: Hey, we had them for a while.
Finally.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: Guess I'll take those off the shop.
[00:42:16] Speaker A: Final thing I'll say about the quarterbacks, and this is less about the quarterbacks and more about analytics. The Athletic ran a piece this week, week where they did the next gen stats breakdown of Dylan versus Shador.
And they said that Dylan Gabriel had completed three of four passes in what's considered an NFL tight window, which is apparently something like defenders within a yard of the receiver and that Shador had completed zero out of four in NFL tight windows. So what do you guys remember that.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: Game, the first game, and they were like, yeah, I actually saw this exact report and I remember reading it and I like was. Was like, what the fuck's a tight window then?
[00:42:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean we literally talked after that game about like the big time NFL throws that we saw where guys were covered and those were top windows.
[00:43:01] Speaker B: I think those.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: Well, and I think it just calls into question, like if that's the analytics that they're relying on, the system is flawed, it's broken. You can't tell me that those weren't NFL.
[00:43:11] Speaker B: And I think that's the reason why there's so much pushback from football guys that are like, no, there's like the eye test too. Like the eye test tells you those were tight windows and big time NFL Throws, but apparently analytics just not so.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: Does not.
So it's like, if that's the data the Browns are working with, of course they think Dylan Gabriel's better.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
Next up here, Quinn. Sean Judkins still not with the team.
I thought we might have got some clarity, because this past week, it came out everybody was reporting the Browns are looking for a running back.
But then now all the reports again this week. He should be back with the team by early in the season at the latest.
There's also reports now that, though, that he may go back to college, which, to be fair, I think all those reports are kind of tongue in cheek, like, it's a possibility. It's probably not going to happen, but it's a possibility. But it is out there that. That that option is out there for him.
[00:44:03] Speaker A: I think what it speaks to is that there are legitimate negotiations going on for his contract, because I think what you're seeing is posturing on both sides. I think the Browns leaked.
[00:44:15] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Hey, we're looking for running backs. We're not sure what we're going to do. And I think Quinshon's team leaked today.
He may just go back to college.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: And so it's both sides kind of posturing to say, like, we don't really need the other, because I think there's legitimate heartache and heartburn over the contract right now that they're trying to get done.
[00:44:34] Speaker B: Let's be honest, Quinch on Judkins, you have no leverage here.
[00:44:38] Speaker A: And I thought it was interesting they asked Andrew Barry about him during the game when they had him in the booth. And what I thought was really interesting was Barry said basically kind of like, played it off. Like, you know, look, it is what it is. But he called him Q.
Like, they were good buddies. Like, Q, U, E.
Like barbecue. Yeah, I love barbecue. He's like, you know, Q. You know, it is what it is, like, kind of thing.
So it just all kind of reinforces a thought to me that, like, they're having conversations daily about this contract.
[00:45:13] Speaker B: You don't call a guy Q if you don't talk to him.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And so I think there's. There's a lot more happening behind the scenes than I think we even know from the reports that are being leaked right now. And I think it's getting contentious. And, you know, what does that mean overall? Like, I don't. I don't know. I guess I just. It. To me, it just speaks to the fact that I think there are legitimate, like, hardline discussions happening Right now he wants something that the Browns aren't giving him.
[00:45:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:35] Speaker A: And maybe it's the fully guarantee.
[00:45:37] Speaker B: I think that's what it is. I think the Browns.
I'm willing to bet the Browns are going to gonna, as bone did earlier, stand on business on this one.
[00:45:46] Speaker A: Can't bring that up.
[00:45:49] Speaker B: Because. Because I think that. I think they're just going to look at him and say, look with your situation.
Take it or leave it. Like you're going to. You're trying to look. And I, I also like that the posturing that his side done said, we can go. He can go back to college.
[00:46:04] Speaker A: Who are you right now? His side done said, I don't know.
[00:46:08] Speaker B: Sometimes you can't talk.
But the posturing that they did, they leaked a story that he could go back to college, right?
[00:46:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:16] Speaker B: If he goes back to college, the Browns still own the rights to him. So, like, even if somebody else drafted him, they'd have to like, get him from the Browns. Like, it doesn't make like, how's that.
[00:46:26] Speaker A: Start to play out? Some real interesting permutations there. Right? Like what happens at the end of the college season.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just. It's just crazy. But I, you know, my gut tells me that. That they're going to. He's going to be with the team by a couple.
[00:46:37] Speaker A: Sign with. Does he sign with Alabama and play four games and then the Browns are like, all right, we'll sign a.
You get pulled out of college.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: Like, that'd be pretty wild.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: What is that?
[00:46:45] Speaker B: I kind of want it to happen just so we can see what it's like. Like what. What really happens.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: Real weird precedent we're trying to set here, guys.
[00:46:53] Speaker B: But no, I mean, my. I'm still going with my gut from a. From a few weeks ago actually is I think he'll be signed by the season, but at the very latest, I think like a couple weeks in, he'll be signed and he'll be playing.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: I can tell you this, if this team does compete this year and overachieves, like, he would be an important piece to have on that roster.
[00:47:11] Speaker B: And kind of speaking of that and overachieving, let's go into impact players this season. Just off the head, I need an impact player from you for this season, Kenny.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: Me first.
[00:47:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: I'm going to go with a man we call Harold.
Harold Fannin Jr. That is.
That dude is a monster.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: Him and Njoku both catch catching passes is going to be wiggity.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: Here's what I think. I think Harold Fannin Jr. Is what we thought in Joku was going to be.
[00:47:43] Speaker B: Well, we've been waiting for in Joker.
[00:47:45] Speaker A: Is the classic case of. And we love in Joku and we like in Joku. And he's made a Pro Bowl. Like, he's not. Like he's been bad here. But I think our expectations were higher given the way he looks, the way he plays, the, the, the athleticism and mobility that he has.
[00:47:58] Speaker B: And I don't think it's his fault. I think it's just been the situations that he's been in.
[00:48:01] Speaker A: Well, and he's been he for a long time. He was a really young player here. I mean, we drafted him when he was really young.
[00:48:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: So he played like four years in the NFL and he was like 23. So he had a lot of just, you know, trouble with drops and things early on too. So it's. He's come a long way and he's a good NFL player now. I think Harold Fanon Jr.
Could be what we all thought we were getting in Joku right now. Like a prime, like breakout wide receiver type athleticism playing at tight end.
[00:48:26] Speaker B: Dude, what if. What if this ends up being like, like New England with Gronk and Aaron Hernandez minus the murdering Gonzalez. Minus the murdering.
Yeah.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: I mean, they could run a lot of legitimate, very scary two tight end sets.
[00:48:41] Speaker B: That would be crazy because that was. I. I just remember when they had those two guys, like, that was always.
Even if they had no receivers at the time, you were terrified.
[00:48:50] Speaker A: They could kill you in so many ways.
[00:48:53] Speaker B: Yep.
Man, I want to lean so much further into these jokes, but I just feel like we'll get canceled because there's so many ways you could go with this. But.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: But I'm going with Harold Fannin Jr. As my impact player.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: Nice. I like it. Bone. You got an impact player.
[00:49:09] Speaker C: I just go, Jerry Judy.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:49:12] Speaker C: He was good last year. With who? You know, and then I feel like if Flacco is his self from two years ago, it could be a big year for old Jerry Judy.
[00:49:22] Speaker A: Did you hear him asking Flacco about his kids and that when he told him he won the starting job, they were like, you're bullshit.
[00:49:28] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:49:30] Speaker A: They don't believe you.
[00:49:31] Speaker C: We don't believe you, dad.
[00:49:32] Speaker B: No way. No way.
[00:49:36] Speaker A: Brutal coming from your own kids.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Okay, so we got Harold Fannin Jr. We got Jerry Judy. Guys, I'm gonna go Joe Flacco because we're gonna win. Okay? No, that's too easy. I would love to go Joe.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: Original take. We've had on the show.
[00:49:49] Speaker B: I would love to go Joe Flacco because he's given me a new hope. Star Wars a New hope for this season.
But I'm actually gonna go with a guy that's. This could be controversial.
[00:49:58] Speaker A: War is a new hope is.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: Oh, Isaiah Bond is who I'm going with.
The dude was projected to be a first round pick before all of his legal issues and he's officially signed and we don't know what's going to happen. Disciplinary. But assuming he plays the majority of the season, I think, I think he's going to make. I mean, you basically got a first round guy as an undrafted free agent.
[00:50:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: That's a guy that most teams would plug in as a starter right away.
[00:50:29] Speaker A: Star Wars a New hope.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: Did you like that?
[00:50:34] Speaker A: Reminds me of. They were in the post game. They were interviewing Dylan Sampson, I think, and Lavar. Lavar Dane. I don't have any idea how to say his last name.
I think it's Dylan Sampson, though. Has the tattoo.
It's Plan of the Apes tattoos. It's like apes shall not hurt other apes or something. It was dope.
[00:50:53] Speaker B: It was dope.
[00:50:53] Speaker A: It just reminds us where you're going with this too.
Star wars anymore.
[00:50:57] Speaker B: He killed you. That was. You thought that was the best joke I ever made on the show.
[00:51:01] Speaker A: You're not really funny, but that was. You're not funny, but you're clever.
[00:51:05] Speaker B: Occasionally blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
[00:51:08] Speaker A: I had someone tell me that once, like it was a compliment. I was like, I'm not sure how to take that. You know? You know I'm that funny. You're clever.
[00:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you're clever.
And with that, let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, so first of all, Trey Hendrickson got paid.
[00:51:36] Speaker A: My brother.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: Most of these people don't even know what that means.
Anyways, your thunder here, but Trey Hendrickson got paid this year. $14 million raise for this year. Interesting, though. They did not. They didn't extend his contract. It's just they gave him a $14 million raise this year and he's still an unrestricted free agent after the season. So I me, even though they took care of him this season, that spells the Bengals are probably going to be without him next year.
[00:52:04] Speaker A: It's so interesting to me that we talk about the NFL as a business all the time.
So many of these deals get done and they're personal.
Like, it feels like, yeah, we're going to give you just enough to keep you around, but not enough to make you happy?
These guys just have such egos that get bruised in these conversations. And it's just interesting to see these guys sometimes big names walk at the end of a season because, I mean, look what's going on in Dallas and get this pissing contest with Mike Michael Parsons and did they come to any agreements yet?
[00:52:35] Speaker B: I don't think they did.
[00:52:36] Speaker C: I think Cincinnati is like consistently every year rated like by the players as.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: One of the worst organization overall, like in every aspect.
But yeah, so it's just interesting that they're going to by all intensive purposes it looks like they're just going to let them walk at the end of the year.
So it's just wild. I mean, hopefully the Browns pick them up, but we probably won't be able to afford him, let's be honest. Next up here, another guy that the, that was tied to the Browns in trade talks. Terry McLaren reaches a new year three years worth up to $96 million.
So he got paid.
[00:53:09] Speaker A: They're going to regret that one.
[00:53:11] Speaker B: Probably, isn't he 30, 30 old receiver contract if he might give them one good year. But the two years after that, they're definitely going to regret it 100%. Yeah.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:21] Speaker B: Next up, Joe Mixon out at least the first four weeks. So they're going to. Nick Chubb is going to have every opportunity, even with the bad reports coming out of camp these last couple.
[00:53:31] Speaker A: He's a gamer, which is odd because point I had heard nothing but good things about Nick Chubb and, and saw some highlights from, you know, the preseason and, and camp and that they were very impressed. And then all of a sudden this report leaks that like he's got no explosiveness, his vision doesn't match his, his current physical attributes.
So I'm very interested to see what, what Nick Chubb does this season. I mean just.
[00:53:56] Speaker B: You think the Texans leak so they can just take everybody by surprise again this year?
[00:54:01] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't like. And almost like that got leaked as a part of this whole like Browns narrative, right?
[00:54:08] Speaker B: It probably was the Browns.
[00:54:09] Speaker C: Probably was the Browns.
[00:54:10] Speaker A: The Browns and the Texans, you know, for all intents purposes have had some close ties. Like there's, there's people in both organizations that talk a lot, don't go there.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: We aren't saying that name.
[00:54:21] Speaker A: So I don't know if maybe that was like a nugget. They felt like, hey, like you guys can win the press conference with this. If you just get out there and let everybody know Nick Chubb's struggling down here.
[00:54:28] Speaker B: Like, I don't know.
[00:54:30] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:54:30] Speaker B: But Joe Mix is out at least the first four weeks. So Nick Chub will be the. The Bell Cow back in Houston for the first four weeks.
[00:54:38] Speaker A: Just has thousand yards the first four weeks.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd be wicked. No, I really do, like, with all those reports coming out, I hope he rushes for 1800 yards this year.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: Yes, 1800 is a lot. I think he had 1400 the most here.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: That's fine. I hope it's 1800.
[00:54:52] Speaker A: 1200. I hope it takes 1200 to be really successful.
[00:54:54] Speaker B: It's 1800 for a guy that's pushing.
[00:54:56] Speaker A: Third 30 and off of two surgeries.
[00:54:57] Speaker B: I didn't say what was realistic. I said I hope he has 1800 yards.
[00:55:00] Speaker A: No, I'm just saying that like at 1200, which is a more realistic number, that would also be a big slap in the face to everyone.
[00:55:04] Speaker B: Fair. Fair doesn't have to be 1800.
[00:55:07] Speaker A: I hope Nick Chubb runs for 2500 yards and catches 30 touchdowns.
[00:55:13] Speaker B: The. The other Sanders brother.
Up next, Shiloh Sanders got waved for throwing a punch in the preseason game this year. Bad luck or this year? Yeah, yesterday.
Did he get waved for just, just.
Or was it just because he's just. I mean, he wasn't. He wasn't drafted anyways. He was under. He was undrafted free agent, so I.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: I think he had like an efficiency rating of like 36. He had like, that's probably not good, four tackles in the whole preseason.
[00:55:39] Speaker B: And so he probably was getting cut anyways.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: Was just. Yeah, not either way, breakup.
[00:55:44] Speaker B: You're. You're fighting for your NFL life right now. And you go out there and some guys blocking you too hard down field and you throw a punch like, what are you doing?
[00:55:51] Speaker A: And I agree, the guy was like excessively blocking, so I can see where you would get frustrated there. But to your point, like, you're an NFL player now. You have to conduct yourself with some sort of decorum and respect for the game. You can't be throwing punches out there. So it just, it's almost a bad look all around. Just for Shador as well, because it just speaks to like the entitlement of like, hey, I can do what I want. These kids, you know, grew up silver spoon type of thing.
So, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately, he won't be a player probably anywhere for a while.
[00:56:23] Speaker B: All those social media.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: Maybe the Browns will sign him. We love guys with questionable background.
[00:56:27] Speaker B: All that social media stuff they did with him joining the Bucks and whatever else and all for nothing.
[00:56:31] Speaker A: All for nothing.
[00:56:33] Speaker B: And last up here, not NFL related, but you all see Rampage Jackson's son just like KO that dude, slamming him to the ground and then just beating the out of him when he was unconscious.
[00:56:41] Speaker C: So violent.
[00:56:42] Speaker B: That was wild.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: Wild.
[00:56:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I just a crazy story because, like, from what I read, Red is they got into like this. There was supposed to be a work before the show.
Rampage Jackson's. I don't even know his name. That's how his son. Yeah, his son. Yeah. Quentin Jr. Yeah, I don't know what his name is. He. He didn't realize that there was supposed to be a work. The guy hit him with an open beer can and he didn't like that. So they got each other's face, started yelling.
Looked like they worked it all out before the show. They like shook hands, said everything's okay. And then during the show, he came in and picked the guy up. The guy thought it was part of the.
Yeah. Got body slammed to the ground and completely knocked out, like on impact. And then he proceeded to do the old ground and pound for 20 plus shots straight to the face while he was unconscious. Right.
And I mean, they're talking about he might be facing charges of attempted murder and like, other things.
[00:57:40] Speaker C: Like, it seemed like it. It was. It was graphic.
[00:57:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it was bad. I mean, you guys have any thoughts on this? I just, I. It blew up on social media over the weekend. I was like, we got to talk about this for a second.
[00:57:51] Speaker C: And nobody even jumped in to pull him off for 20 punches.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: I think it was what you said. Everybody thought it was part of the show for a second. They were like, wait a second. This guy's actually like, unconscious?
[00:57:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:58:01] Speaker A: I don't have a lot to add outside of. Just if you want to see some real up, go check out some indie fighting promo. Promo.
[00:58:09] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:58:10] Speaker A: Like, there's some weird stuff that happens.
[00:58:12] Speaker B: Those guys are really trying to make it and they'll do anything.
[00:58:15] Speaker A: They can do anything. Mean, I've seen guys lit on fire. You know, you talk about barbed wire and broken glass. I mean, and these things just go sideways at times.
[00:58:23] Speaker C: And hell, maybe this is just a publicity stunt.
[00:58:29] Speaker B: I did see a lot of people talking about that. That's exactly what it was, that it was all a work.
[00:58:33] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:58:34] Speaker B: And I don't, I don't buy it just because of how graphic it was. I don't know anybody that would be willing to take 20 plus unprotected shots to the head. But.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: Wrestlers do some crazy man entertaining stuff.
[00:58:47] Speaker B: The other thing was, which, again, I guess that could go to the publicity of it, but Rampage Jackson actually does like a stream of the show or whatever where he talks about it. And then when he got like, messages of what was going on, he was like, we gotta end this. And he just cut it off right away.
[00:59:01] Speaker A: I mean, the reality is so much of what goes viral in today's world is orchestrated, so when it's not beyond possibility, it's true.
[00:59:09] Speaker B: It's like my biggest pet peeve online is when like, like they do these things. I like the guys that have, like, they show you, like, what the camera guy would look like if he was actually filming this. It's like he's like, right there in plain sight.
[00:59:19] Speaker A: Like. Like the girl that wakes up in the morning and has her makeup all done and she's like, somebody's filming. You wake up. Like, where. Who is this guy?
[00:59:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Or the guy that's like, underneath the. The shaped boxes to like, surprise his girlfriend. Like, and there's a camera guy standing there. You wonder, like, oh, oh, why is. I'm just gonna open these Amazon boxes. Yeah, all that stuff. But anyways, we do have a giveaway going on right now. Kenny, why don't you tell us a little bit about it.
[00:59:47] Speaker A: We got a real cool jersey assigned by a guy that you might know.
[00:59:49] Speaker B: We just talked about him.
[00:59:50] Speaker A: We just talked about him. David and Joku signed autographed jersey here that we're hoping to give away to some lucky fan.
You can enter on our social medias. There's a whole bunch of instructions out there there on how to earn entries, bonus entries, all that whole thing.
[01:00:06] Speaker B: All that whole thing.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: So go interact with the posts, check them out and enter your name to win. We'll be giving this one away real soon.
[01:00:11] Speaker B: And don't forget 25 bonus entries if you subscribe on YouTube.
[01:00:16] Speaker A: Yes, YouTube. Go to YouTube.
[01:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah, do it. Link in the show notes as well.
[01:00:20] Speaker A: Do it now.
[01:00:21] Speaker B: All right. You guys know what it's time for?
[01:00:24] Speaker C: What's that?
[01:00:24] Speaker B: It's time for the schedule game.
All right, guys, it's time. We didn't do this when the schedule came out because it just felt like we didn't know anything about the team at that point.
[01:00:40] Speaker A: Well, no, you can't do it until the start of the regular season because that's when it matters.
[01:00:42] Speaker B: I like it better here because it's more meaningful. Yeah. It's like now we actually know a little bit.
[01:00:46] Speaker A: Actually are getting ready to play football.
[01:00:47] Speaker B: Yeah. So we're time for the schedule.
I don't know why I barked.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: I'm lightheaded now.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: But yeah, we're gonna go game by game here. We're gonna going to give just quick takes on that game. What we think's going to happen. We're going to give a pick and then at the end we're going to add it all up and tell you what the overall record the Browns are going to have.
[01:01:05] Speaker A: Oh, and 17.
[01:01:07] Speaker B: Well, Kenny's done with the schedule.
[01:01:10] Speaker A: Next segment, please.
[01:01:11] Speaker B: Yeah, but let's go ahead and get started here. Week one, we've got Cincinnati at home.
Bone who you got?
[01:01:21] Speaker C: The Browns defense. Defense plays out of their mind. Defense plays out of their minds for game one at home.
[01:01:27] Speaker A: Home.
[01:01:27] Speaker C: And Joe Flacco lights it up.
[01:01:30] Speaker B: I'm going Browns, too, in this one. I've got the Browns.
The Browns don't win very many home openers, but there's just something.
Joe Flacco just went nine out of 10 for 71 yards and touchdown. Here's the truth.
Browns win this one by two touchdowns. By two touchdowns.
[01:01:45] Speaker A: Which.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: Suck it, Cincinnati.
[01:01:46] Speaker A: Which Joe will show up in week one.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: Kenny's going Cincinnati.
[01:01:53] Speaker A: Look, I think Cincinnati is going to have the better record this year. I do think they're a better football team than the Browns overall. They've just historically, especially in recent history, start slow. And whether that's been Joe Burrows injuries or just. Just lack of cohesion, just a young coaching step, I don't know. But I will go Browns in this one. I think it's surprising. Home opener win. I do think the team is going to be motivated, excited to have Joe out there under the helm. Yeah. And I'm just counting on a slow Cincinnati start. If you go back to that year, I went through the quarterbacks that were really bad that we played.
I think we beat Cincinnati the first time out we played them. It was like week one or two when we played them that year and that was, you know, DW4 under center.
[01:02:33] Speaker B: So does that count as a mention?
[01:02:36] Speaker A: No, because I use an acronym. We're in analytics here.
[01:02:39] Speaker B: Oh, okay. We work in analytics.
[01:02:42] Speaker A: But I think in that game, BR.
[01:02:43] Speaker B: S T I m. I think.
[01:02:44] Speaker A: I think Joe Burrow in that game threw for like 125 yards and had like a. Had like two picks. Like, it was ugly. So I'm going Browns Week one.
[01:02:51] Speaker B: You guys know the Browns are going to lose now, right? This is what we did to them.
[01:02:54] Speaker A: I was kind of thinking that when we did the Bucks pregame picks, I was like, this is Going to be a really bad clip.
[01:02:58] Speaker B: Browns and the Buckeyes are both losing in two weeks.
[01:03:01] Speaker A: The Buckeyes get bad by Orange Manning. They'll just be able to play. They'd be like, don't listen to these guys. They're absolute clowns. They all three were like, the Buckeyes for sure.
[01:03:09] Speaker B: To be fair, if you wait long enough, it doesn't matter.
[01:03:12] Speaker A: We're all always going to have a bad take.
[01:03:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's why it drives me nuts. All these people online, they're like, they like.
[01:03:18] Speaker C: And we're fans of the team, too.
[01:03:20] Speaker A: Speaking of bad takes, sorry, I don't mean to harp on the quarterback conversation because I know we're in the schedule game now. Colin Coward had like the worst tweet of all time today or yesterday. And he was like, stefanski is going to undermine. He can't develop door standers of all the people. Two time coach of the year with 11 win seasons and who's known to be a quarterback whisperer. And I was like, bro, like, he couldn't make Baker Mayfield work here. You had this DW4 here, the whole mess.
[01:03:46] Speaker B: Like basically up until Baker, they got rid of Baker. He was known as a quarterback whisperer. And then since then, it's been all downhill.
[01:03:52] Speaker A: Show me one quarterback in Cleveland who he's developed and got better.
[01:03:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:03:56] Speaker A: Joe Flacco showed up and was good because he was the coach. I mean, Joe Flacco's 100 years old. There was nothing to teach him.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like, well, you already know my offense. So.
[01:04:04] Speaker A: Speaking of bad takes, that was one of the worst that I'd seen all weekend over this whole quarterback.
[01:04:07] Speaker B: Colin Coward is not known for good takes.
[01:04:10] Speaker A: He's got plenty of them on.
[01:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah. But I got digress. I. I got digress. I digress.
[01:04:15] Speaker A: Week two, Browns are undefeated.
[01:04:18] Speaker B: Week two, we're staying in the division and we are traveling to Baltimore.
We'll start. Kenny who you got crab cakes of football.
[01:04:27] Speaker A: That's what Maryland does.
Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, just game. Just done. Browns lose that one, it's going to be ugly.
[01:04:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it's in Baltimore. I'm going with Baltimore. I mean, it's.
Baltimore's going to win.
[01:04:39] Speaker C: Bone also going with Baltimore.
[01:04:42] Speaker B: Dang.
You know the Browns are going to win week two, right?
[01:04:46] Speaker A: Another bad dig for the cast of the Burning River Sports cast.
[01:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
All right. That'll take us to week three. We come back home and we play Green Bay in Cleveland.
I'm going to go.
I'm actually going to go Cleveland in this one.
I think the first six games is actually going to be the best part of our season because I can almost guarantee you that Joe Flacco gets at least those first six weeks for us. So I think we play solid football. I think we're still playing good defense at this point. We're still getting competent play out of the quarterback. I'm going to go Cleveland in a close game against Green Bay. So, Kenny, who you got?
[01:05:29] Speaker A: Look, I was not a huge Jordan love guy. I was not super confident that this guy was going to be a player.
He's proved me wrong, made me look silly because he is very, very good.
Throw into the mix. What? Josh Jacobs, who was there last year, is back and is just an absolute beast.
Green Bay wins this one.
I think it'll be a closer game, but I do think that this goes down as an L for the Browns.
[01:05:55] Speaker B: Bone, who you got?
[01:05:57] Speaker C: I am actually feeling the Browns as well.
[01:05:59] Speaker B: Nice.
[01:06:00] Speaker A: I'm just.
[01:06:00] Speaker B: No reason whatsoever.
[01:06:01] Speaker C: He's feeling the Browns.
I feel like our defense will be underrated early on in the season. And by game three, I think the national pundits will recognize.
[01:06:11] Speaker B: Freaking pundits. I hate those pundits.
[01:06:13] Speaker A: All the pundits.
[01:06:15] Speaker C: And Joe Flacco once again is going to throw for 350 yards.
150.
[01:06:19] Speaker B: You guys remember 100. Yes. Nice. I love it. I love it's calling out stat lines.
That's very specific.
[01:06:27] Speaker A: Bone is so hard right now.
[01:06:30] Speaker B: Week four, we travel to Detroit. Bone, who you got?
[01:06:33] Speaker C: Detroit.
[01:06:34] Speaker B: Detroit.
[01:06:36] Speaker C: Pretty. Bone loves D. High, high super bowl contender. They're. They're really good.
[01:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Kenny.
[01:06:44] Speaker A: I'm going Detroit as well. Detroit's either going to be boomer bust this year. They're either gonna be really good again and beat everyone or they're gonna be really bad.
We're gonna be going there. So I'm going Detroit.
[01:06:55] Speaker B: I'm also going with the Lions.
This is not good. Every single game so far except for the. I guess the third one you picked the packers, so there's that. But most games so far, three out of four, we've gone everybody the same team.
There could be a lot of bad takes for the burning next up. We got versus so it's technically a home game, but we're in London against Minnesota.
Kenny, who you got?
[01:07:28] Speaker A: Against my better judgment, I'm gonna go Browns. This one.
I believe JJ McCarthy is the truth when I see it. Sure.
[01:07:36] Speaker B: I agree. Yeah.
[01:07:37] Speaker A: I mean, they've talked him about up and was good enough to get rid of all their other quarterbacks and. And have him be the guy so they feel confident in him. But until I see it, I'm going Browns.
[01:07:47] Speaker B: I don't believe it. Bone, who you got?
[01:07:52] Speaker C: I will also go Browns. I know this is life or death. You know, I'm putting a lot of thought into it.
My first thought was they're going to show up flat in London. But you know what? Kenny convinced me. Browns.
[01:08:05] Speaker B: We've got one less time zone to travel across.
So I think that's a good point.
[01:08:09] Speaker A: That's a good point.
One hour earlier for the Browns.
[01:08:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm actually nice.
I was gonna go Minnesota and then Kenny swung me and reminded me that. That J.J. mcCarthy is their quarterback. And I just. I'm kind of in the same boat. Like, I. I'm right there. Like, I'll believe it when I see it. I just don't understand whatever everybody sees in him, but I guess they do.
So we'll see Week six here in Pittsburgh.
I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go with Pittsburgh in this one. I almost did it. I almost went Browns just because I think Aaron Rodgers is over the hill and I don't think he's gonna be good. But that being said, it's in Pittsburgh and they still got Mike Tomlin as their coach, so I'm going Steelers. Bone.
[01:09:01] Speaker C: Yeah. That's a tough one with Aaron Rodgers. Is he going to be good? I don't know. But I think this is a year we're going to beat Pittsburgh twice. It's happening. So I'm going Browns.
[01:09:11] Speaker B: Bone thinks we're going to be so good this year.
[01:09:13] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:09:15] Speaker B: Kenny, who you got in Pittsburgh?
[01:09:17] Speaker A: I'm taking Mike Tomlin.
I don't know how the Aaron Rodgers thing's going to work out. I think at this point in the season, he'll still be healthy enough to make us. Make us pay. So I'll go Pittsburgh.
[01:09:27] Speaker B: All right, next up versus Miami. So we're in Cleveland. Kenny, who you got Week seven, too. So. So look at the screen up there. Week seven, October 19th, against Miami. It plays a factor because of the weather.
[01:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be cool enough to matter.
I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go Browns in this one, though, because I don't have any faith that Tuataga Baloa is going to be playing by then. Playing by then. So who knows who their quarterback will be. Go Browns.
[01:09:58] Speaker B: I'm going to go Browns as well, actually, for that reason. And Just because Miami is one of these teams that's like, they're like a French team. Like, are they good? Are they bad? Nobody really knows. They could be either, and they could be all of them in one season.
So who knows who shows up? I'm just kind of rolling, you know, flipping a coin here and. And like, I'm gonna go Browns. Bone, who you got?
[01:10:22] Speaker C: I feel like I need another Browns loss because the record I have right now is, like, way too incredible.
[01:10:27] Speaker A: But I gotta bring it down to earth.
[01:10:30] Speaker C: I don't.
[01:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah, go Browns.
[01:10:33] Speaker B: Just do it.
[01:10:33] Speaker C: I'll go Browns.
I'll go brand.
[01:10:36] Speaker A: It is life or death over here.
[01:10:37] Speaker C: You guys just wait and see.
[01:10:41] Speaker B: Next up at New England. Bone, who you got?
[01:10:44] Speaker C: New England.
[01:10:45] Speaker B: New England.
New England has been added. Shut up.
[01:10:49] Speaker A: Alexa, turn off.
[01:10:50] Speaker B: Alexa, stop it.
[01:10:53] Speaker A: Wow. That was odd.
[01:10:54] Speaker C: That was odd.
[01:10:58] Speaker B: Where were we at?
Bone, who you got?
[01:11:01] Speaker C: I got New England.
[01:11:02] Speaker B: New England. Okay, Kenny, I'm going to go.
[01:11:07] Speaker A: You know, when in doubt, Mack Hollins makes the unassailable difference. New England Patriots are going to win that one.
No, on a serious note. I mean, Ramondre Stevenson paired with Travion Henderson, I think is going to be a force.
And then I think this maybe flew under the radar a little bit this season, but they've got Stefon Diggs now, so I think they're going to be a decent team this year. On offense, I go New England.
[01:11:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I mine. You could just say Henderson, and I'd be. That's. That's gonna make a difference.
[01:11:39] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[01:11:40] Speaker B: I think that we talked about it earlier. New England's kind of notorious for not letting their running backs, like, actually work, and they do have two good ones again. But I think that once they see Travion Henderson play and he plays well, they're going to kind of let him. Let him run. So I think by that time in the season, he's going to be getting 15 to 20 carries a game.
I like the Patriots.
The next week. Week nine, we gotta buy.
[01:12:07] Speaker A: So Brown's loose.
[01:12:10] Speaker C: It'll be some bad press. It's gonna.
[01:12:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Perfect time for a buy, though. Week nine is, like, perfect.
[01:12:16] Speaker A: Perfect time to make a quarterback change.
[01:12:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that's probably when it happens. You're probably right. Yeah.
And then we. We come out of the. By week 10 at the New York Jets.
[01:12:26] Speaker A: Can I make one prediction here?
[01:12:27] Speaker B: Sure.
[01:12:27] Speaker A: There will be a quarterback change at this point, and Dylan Gabriel will be hurt, and we will get to see Shador Sanders take over.
That's the only Way it would work out for them to have to play him. If Flacco is bad or hurt and Gabriel's also hurt, I think Shador comes in then in week 10.
[01:12:43] Speaker B: If I remember to cite this at that time. And you look like a genius again.
[01:12:47] Speaker A: I'm Nostradamus.
[01:12:48] Speaker B: Yeah, he's Kenny Thomas Thunder.
[01:12:53] Speaker C: Thomas Thunderdome.
[01:12:55] Speaker B: He's something that'll take us to Week 10 at the New York Jets. I'm.
I'm gonna go Browns in this one. The jets are one of those other. One of the few franchise in the NFL where they're just ass.
I mean, they did have the butt fumble, so they're just ass. I'm gonna go Browns in this.
Justin Fields is going to continue to look like he's not a good quarterback because he continues to play on shit teams. So, yeah, I got the Browns, Kenny.
[01:13:28] Speaker A: I mean, Justin Fields is their quarterback. Last time it was Joe Flagovers Justin Fields. Justin fields threw for 166 yards and two interceptions. So I'm going to go Browns.
[01:13:37] Speaker B: Go Browns.
[01:13:39] Speaker C: No, I got zero respect for the New York jets, so I got the Browns.
[01:13:44] Speaker B: Where did that come from? Bo hates the Jets.
[01:13:46] Speaker A: God damn Jets.
[01:13:47] Speaker B: Trash. This goes back to the. When we used to call him Trash all the time. And Robert Sala was keeping receipts.
[01:13:52] Speaker A: He did keep receipts on us.
[01:13:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he all over us. We called him trash so hard. And then they. Then they came back and scored two touchdowns in like 13 seconds and beat us.
[01:13:59] Speaker A: Beat us bad.
[01:14:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
Week 11, we're back home against the Ravens again. Kenny, who you got?
[01:14:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, at this point, Baltimore is, you know, prepping and motoring, looking like one of the top teams in the AFC. They take down the Browns here at 425 in Cleveland. Feels bad.
[01:14:18] Speaker B: Yeah, feels bad.
I'm gonna go with the Ravens as well because Joe Flacco probably won't be the quarterback by this time. So I got the Ravens bone.
[01:14:28] Speaker A: That will be a nice matchup, though. If it is Joe Flacco.
[01:14:30] Speaker B: If it is Joe Flacco, if this game is.
[01:14:31] Speaker A: That changes everything.
[01:14:32] Speaker B: So when we get to the point of picking this, if Joe Flacco is the quarterback, I'm.
[01:14:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:14:36] Speaker B: Be on the.
[01:14:36] Speaker A: On the fence.
[01:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:14:38] Speaker C: Every year I like to argue that the Browns for some reason play Baltimore really tough and we. We sneak a win out. Even when the Baltimore Ravens are like super bowl contenders, this is not that year. They demolish us.
[01:14:49] Speaker B: Demolish again.
[01:14:52] Speaker C: And yeah, we lose again to Baltimore.
[01:14:54] Speaker B: Ah, dang. Feels bad.
[01:14:55] Speaker A: Feels real bad.
[01:14:56] Speaker B: Week 12 at Las Vegas. We just talked about them. We might be seeing Kenny Pickett in this one.
[01:15:00] Speaker A: That's true.
[01:15:02] Speaker B: You know what?
I'll take this one first. I'm gonna go with the Browns because I think Kenny Pickett's gonna be playing and I think we're gonna beat him. So Browns, Bone, I think.
[01:15:13] Speaker C: I think we lose.
I'm going Las Vegas, Kenny.
[01:15:18] Speaker A: I'm gonna go Browns here. Actually, I think that team does not very good. And Ashton Genti is going to be their whole team. But our defensive front is going to lock up Ashton all day.
[01:15:30] Speaker B: Lockdown on the lake. Except we won't be on the lake.
[01:15:33] Speaker A: So in the desert, at the sphere.
[01:15:36] Speaker B: Do they play in the sphere?
[01:15:37] Speaker A: No, but it's close by. You can see it.
[01:15:40] Speaker B: Week 13 at home against San Francisco. Bone, who you got?
[01:15:46] Speaker C: San Francisco.
Little revenge game.
No, that was like two years ago.
[01:15:51] Speaker B: Huh?
[01:15:51] Speaker C: Well, that's probably the last time we played them.
[01:15:53] Speaker A: But no revenge.
[01:15:53] Speaker B: But they're still gonna win.
[01:15:54] Speaker A: Is that what you're going with? We played them last year, didn't we?
[01:15:56] Speaker C: Did we. Did we lose some last year? We beat a last year with like P.J. walker and.
[01:16:02] Speaker A: I don't remember now.
[01:16:03] Speaker B: I don't. I try not to think about last year. Last year was a bad year for us. That was. It was probably. Listen, let's take a second on this. It was probably the most depressed I've ever been as a person.
[01:16:11] Speaker C: Well, they were undefeated, I think two years ago. When we played them. We beat them.
[01:16:14] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:16:14] Speaker C: With P.J.
[01:16:15] Speaker A: Walker.
[01:16:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:16:16] Speaker A: Philip Walker.
[01:16:17] Speaker B: Philip. Phil. He goes. He goes by Philip now.
[01:16:20] Speaker C: Oh, sorry, Sorry, pj.
[01:16:26] Speaker B: Okay, who you got on this one?
[01:16:29] Speaker A: Look, I still think San Francisco is one of the class teams of the NFC, so I'm gonna go San Francisco.
[01:16:35] Speaker B: I got the 49ers as well.
That's it.
[01:16:39] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[01:16:40] Speaker B: Week 14.
[01:16:40] Speaker A: On to Tennessee.
[01:16:42] Speaker B: Tennessee in Cleveland.
Kenny, who you got?
[01:16:46] Speaker A: Boy, this is actually tough because I think this can go either way based on whether or not Cam Ward is any good, but just the fact that Tennessee sucks. Other than that, I'm going to go Browns.
[01:16:57] Speaker B: Nice.
I agree with you and I don't even know that. It's funny. They blew up Cam Ward's numbers in the preseason like he's all world already. And it's like you're playing like second and third stringers every time you're out there. So.
[01:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I still think their team is not very good.
[01:17:10] Speaker B: Right.
[01:17:10] Speaker A: But Cam Ward can cover that up if he's really, really excellent.
[01:17:13] Speaker B: But I got the Browns in this one as well. Bone, who you got?
[01:17:16] Speaker C: I'm also going Browns. I'm back on the train.
[01:17:18] Speaker B: Way too many times. We all picked the same team this year.
This is gonna be bad.
Week 15 at the Chicago Bears. Bone, who you got?
[01:17:27] Speaker C: I'm going Browns.
I feel like just in recent history we've been. According to Bone, the Browns are Chicago.
[01:17:33] Speaker B: They're winning the division this year.
Kenny, who you got?
[01:17:36] Speaker A: Gosh, I am so skeptical of the Chicago team. All the reports are that, like, Caleb Williams is the truth and they're expecting this team to do big things.
[01:17:45] Speaker B: I feel like national media says this every year.
[01:17:48] Speaker A: I agree, but I'm going to go with the conventional wisdom here in, say, Chicago. Just because it's going to be late in the season, December football and Cleveland. If we're playing with a backup quarterback, things could be haywire. I'll go Bears.
[01:18:01] Speaker B: It's not in Cleveland. It's not Chicago.
[01:18:02] Speaker A: No, I'm just saying.
[01:18:03] Speaker B: Just Cleveland. That's when it's at its worst.
[01:18:06] Speaker A: December.
[01:18:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I gotcha.
I think we're back to Joe Flacco at this point.
And I'm gonna go Browns the season.
[01:18:18] Speaker A: Of flacco around and find out.
[01:18:21] Speaker B: I like how you say flacco around instead of flaco round. Flacco around and find out.
[01:18:26] Speaker A: Flaco around is actually English words. Flacco round is just. It's supposed to be a play amalgamation of no words anyways. Or have. No one has ever said.
[01:18:35] Speaker B: I mean, it's not like every T shirt in Cleveland.
[01:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah, no, they say flacco around.
[01:18:40] Speaker B: Nobody says that.
[01:18:40] Speaker C: And find out. Is that like, what the thing is?
[01:18:43] Speaker B: Nobody says that. Well, I'll let you look it up. You can. You can let me know when I'm right. But Anyway, anyways, week 16 at home against Buffalo.
I'm gonna go with the. I'm just kidding. I'm going. I'm going with the Buffalo in this one. The Browns ain't gonna win.
Browns ain't gonna win. I was gonna. I was gonna say the Buffalo Bills, but I. I stopped myself because I couldn't even keep a straight face. I'm going. I'm going with. I'm going with the Bills. That's what they're gonna win.
Kenny, who you got?
[01:19:19] Speaker A: Buffalo, obviously.
December for the teams perennially in the AFC championship game. Yeah, I'm going Buffalo.
[01:19:27] Speaker B: Bonus time.
[01:19:28] Speaker C: So also Buffalo.
[01:19:30] Speaker B: I thought you were gonna do it. You thought. The Browns are like 14 and 2 to you right now.
[01:19:34] Speaker C: So are you.
[01:19:34] Speaker A: Nah.
[01:19:36] Speaker C: They started the season five and three, so.
[01:19:38] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Well, okay.
Week 17 at home against Pittsburgh.
I'm going to go with the Browns in this one. I think my records creeping up on your record, Bone, but that's what I'm saying.
[01:19:49] Speaker C: You guys are going to be surprised at the end here when we added the thing up.
[01:19:52] Speaker B: Kenny, who you got?
[01:19:56] Speaker A: This is when Pittsburgh has to win games because they can't be any worse than.500. So I'm going Pittsburgh.
[01:20:02] Speaker B: All right, Bone.
[01:20:04] Speaker C: Browns are beating Pittsburgh twice this year.
[01:20:06] Speaker B: You already said that to the Browns. You're right, you're right.
[01:20:09] Speaker A: Why would you even ask him? He said, I hear I've already claimed it.
[01:20:13] Speaker B: I can't believe I'm so stupid.
[01:20:14] Speaker A: Manifesting two wins against Pittsburgh this year.
[01:20:17] Speaker B: And we close out the season like we started it, but this time in Cincinnati. Kenny, who you got?
[01:20:23] Speaker A: They start slow, but then Joe burrow throws for 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. So I'm going Cincinnati here.
[01:20:29] Speaker B: Okay, fair. I've got the Bengals as well. Well, in this one, unfortunately, we usually have the Bengals number, but I think. I think Joe Burrow and Joe Flacco combined throw for a thousand yards.
[01:20:44] Speaker A: That's a real possibility every. Every few years.
[01:20:46] Speaker B: The Browns and the Bengals seem to have that game where it's like 49 to 52.
[01:20:50] Speaker C: It's like Joe Burrow, six touchdowns, Joe Flacco, five.
[01:20:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I got the Bengals.
Bone, who you got?
[01:20:57] Speaker C: Also. Also Cincinnati.
[01:20:58] Speaker B: Too many games where we all pick the same team. It's not good.
[01:21:01] Speaker A: Cincinnati is still in Kentucky.
[01:21:03] Speaker B: Let's take a minute. Everybody play some music right now.
Just. Just add it in post production and you count up your.
[01:21:09] Speaker A: Everybody count up the records, man. Oh, geez. You weren't keeping track of that that whole time? No, I thought you were. No, I didn't do it.
[01:21:15] Speaker B: That's why we're adding up right now during the music.
All right, has everybody got their numbers?
[01:21:33] Speaker C: I'm also 9 and 8.
[01:21:35] Speaker B: Me and Bowen both have them at 9 and 8.
Kenny, where you at?
He's not very good at counting.
[01:21:42] Speaker A: He's.
[01:21:42] Speaker C: It's hard with all the, you know, the words all jumbling together on the screen there.
I put my squinty eyes on and I'm.
[01:21:53] Speaker B: Kenny's still counting. Add some more music in there.
Speed it up.
[01:21:58] Speaker C: Kenny, you have the Browns losing the last four games.
[01:22:00] Speaker A: I have him at six wins, so that makes him six and 11.
[01:22:03] Speaker C: Nice.
[01:22:05] Speaker B: Dang. That's actually better than last year. I think last year you had him at, like, four wins. Or five wins. You were pretty accurate, though.
[01:22:10] Speaker A: Three.
[01:22:11] Speaker B: So you were generous and we thought you were crazy.
[01:22:15] Speaker A: I'm saying they double their win total, baby. That's a success. Stefanski for another year.
Let's do it. Run it back.
[01:22:21] Speaker B: Is that like the minimum? 6 and 11 is where he gets another year?
[01:22:24] Speaker A: 100%, yeah.
[01:22:26] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[01:22:26] Speaker A: That's what. That's what you're starting Joe Flacco for. You got to get those six wins.
[01:22:30] Speaker B: Six and 11 for Kenny, and Bone and I both have him at 9 and 8. Not that this means anything. Let's be honest.
[01:22:35] Speaker A: No, they could just as easily be 11 and 6.
[01:22:37] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:22:37] Speaker B: I don't know. Whatever.
So with all that being said, all that. All that work we just did and all the talk we just had doesn't mean. Let's go to. Let's talk about this.
[01:22:49] Speaker C: Thanks for listening.
[01:22:54] Speaker B: Bumper.
[01:22:55] Speaker C: I got it.
[01:22:58] Speaker B: All right, it's time for. Let's Talk about this. Kenny, what do you got for us today?
[01:23:01] Speaker A: The segment is called Can We Talk about this?
[01:23:05] Speaker B: Why don't you tell me when I told you to proofread this?
[01:23:08] Speaker A: Well. Well, we can. Let's talk about this after we came.
[01:23:11] Speaker B: So I had it right now I think I'm gonna pass out.
It happened. Oh, God.
All right, Kenny, what are we talking about?
[01:23:19] Speaker A: Here's the thing. So we've got this image here on the screen.
I. I was watching one of my favorite movies this weekend, National Treasure. You guys familiar?
[01:23:30] Speaker B: Great film.
[01:23:30] Speaker A: Book of Secrets. The Second Second, Also a great film. They usually show back to back, which is a real treat.
[01:23:35] Speaker B: Yeah, Nicholas Cage at his finest.
[01:23:37] Speaker A: But let's just talk for a second. A second. For a second. I'm running. Talk.
[01:23:42] Speaker B: See, it's not just me.
[01:23:44] Speaker A: Let's talk for a second about Ben Gates.
[01:23:47] Speaker B: I thought you were going to say.
[01:23:48] Speaker C: Let'S talk for a second about the other. The other dude in the show. Right, the other. The other guy. Main character in the movie.
[01:23:54] Speaker B: Ben Gates, is Nicholas Cage is the lead.
[01:23:56] Speaker C: I was thinking the other guy. I thought his name was Ben.
[01:23:58] Speaker B: No, no, no, no.
[01:24:00] Speaker A: That's Riley.
[01:24:00] Speaker C: Oh, Riley. Okay.
[01:24:01] Speaker B: He writes the book.
[01:24:02] Speaker A: He writes the book.
But just thinking about Ben Gates. So let's just think about.
[01:24:07] Speaker B: Every time you say that, I think you're gonna say Bangkok.
Let's talk about Bangkok.
[01:24:12] Speaker A: So, you know, he draws comparisons to Robert Langdon in the. What is it? The DaVinci Code series.
Like, he's very good with the symbolism.
[01:24:23] Speaker B: Decoding.
[01:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So he's officially listed in. You know, they talk about this during.
[01:24:27] Speaker B: The movie, that symbology.
[01:24:28] Speaker A: He's a B.A. an Meng is a mechanical engineer, Ph.D. and American treasure hunter and cryptologist, famous for finding the Templar treasure. So with a bachelor's degree in archaeology and cryptology at the University of Philadelphia, master's degree in mechanical engineering from mit, doctorate in American history from Georgetown. Of course.
[01:24:50] Speaker B: This is Nicolas Cage's 40.
[01:24:52] Speaker A: And he also enlisted as a U.S. navy Reserve officer for the Training Corps for the next four years and received an official certification from their Naval Diving and Salvage Training Center. So this is his background.
[01:25:03] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah.
[01:25:04] Speaker A: World renowned cryptologist.
[01:25:06] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah.
Where are we going?
[01:25:11] Speaker A: So on the screen here, you see two images.
[01:25:14] Speaker B: I do, yeah.
[01:25:16] Speaker A: The.
The brown one there, that's the image from the actual plank that they discover in the Resolute desks, right?
[01:25:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:25:26] Speaker A: And Ben Gates, world renowned cryptologist, when confronted with this evidence in this, you know, they have to decode, they point to this symbol, and Jon Voight says to him, you know what this is?
And world renowned cryptologist says, that's a clue.
[01:25:49] Speaker B: And that'll lead to another clue, and that'll lead to it. No, he doesn't.
[01:25:51] Speaker A: That's Episode one, Star Wars.
[01:25:55] Speaker B: That's Star Wars. Episode one.
[01:25:57] Speaker A: World renowned cryptologist says.
I don't know.
Sacred calendrical, my friends. What you have before you is a sacred calendar. Cylindrical.
See?
Mayan or Aztec calendar.
[01:26:14] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:26:14] Speaker A: The symbol next to it for Cibola is very clearly a pyramid.
In no way looks anything like a sacred calendrical. That's the best he could come up with, the world renowned cryptologist? Sacred calendrical.
[01:26:29] Speaker B: He just banked on the fact that none of us at home knew what the fuck he was talking.
[01:26:34] Speaker A: I just have a hard time putting those things together. That this guy. That is the best. He found the Templar treasure.
That's what he thought.
That's what he thought was Cibola.
I just don't buy it. I don't buy it. It's not realistic.
[01:26:50] Speaker C: Bad writing.
[01:26:51] Speaker B: Bad writing. Bad writing.
[01:26:54] Speaker A: He would have had a better guess than that.
This guy figures out all the puzzles, and that'll lead to another clue, and that'll lead to another clue.
[01:27:00] Speaker B: He finally.
[01:27:01] Speaker A: All the clues except for this one. That just completely mystifies him.
I don't buy it.
[01:27:09] Speaker C: Maybe he was, like, playing dumb. Like, of course I know what this is.
[01:27:15] Speaker B: I don't think so. I think. I think just, you know, every once in a while you're off your game, you know, I couldn't speak today.
[01:27:21] Speaker A: Are you comparing yourself?
[01:27:23] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:27:23] Speaker A: To Ph.D. mechanical engineers. MIT world record.
[01:27:26] Speaker B: World renowned.
[01:27:28] Speaker A: The famous Ben Gates.
[01:27:30] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:27:31] Speaker A: I don't buy that either.
What are you buying?
I'm buying. That's the end of the show.
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[01:27:47] Speaker A: That will do it for us here? The Burning River Sportscast. Next week we will be back here to Preview the Week 1 matchup against the Kentucky Bengals.
[01:27:58] Speaker B: I forgot that Cincinnati was in Kentucky. That should have been my reason for winning in Kentucky.
[01:28:02] Speaker C: We don't like Kentucky.
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And of course we will continue the Brownsbackers interview series. King of the north officially kicks off with our good friend John Hughes. It's him here. The regular season is here.
[01:28:22] Speaker B: It's time.
[01:28:24] Speaker A: It's time.
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[01:28:28] Speaker A: Disappoint us all again.
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[01:28:54] Speaker A: So many more.
[01:28:54] Speaker B: Do you have facts for days? No facts for days.
[01:28:58] Speaker A: That'll was resume next week as well. Regular season back.
[01:29:01] Speaker B: I like that. I like that.
[01:29:01] Speaker A: Men's effects.
[01:29:02] Speaker B: Oh man, that was a marathon today.
[01:29:05] Speaker A: I. I feel like you guys weren't, weren't into the Ben Gates thing. It's really been bothering me ever since I watched it. I was like, sacred calendrical. Really? Sacred calendrical? That's the best you could come up with? I mean, you guys seem unenthused.
[01:29:17] Speaker C: Did you know what it was when he said it or did you look it up and we were like, well.
[01:29:21] Speaker A: No, I googled it afterward. But because I was like, what did. Like, let's, let's see this.
[01:29:25] Speaker C: What did he think it was?
[01:29:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:29:26] Speaker C: Okay.
[01:29:27] Speaker A: And it just is so far from what it could have been.
[01:29:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Like you were to think like he would have said something about the pyramids.
[01:29:33] Speaker A: Anything, you know, reference a Mayan Aztec culture. Anything about step pyramids.
[01:29:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:29:39] Speaker A: No. Sacred calendrical. That's the best he could come up with.
[01:29:43] Speaker B: Doesn't he say it kind of like Sacred Calendrical?
[01:29:46] Speaker A: Yeah. All Nicholas Cagey like that. Yeah.
[01:29:49] Speaker B: Am I spot? I. I just started seeing the scene in my head.
[01:29:52] Speaker A: He was like.
I don't know.
[01:29:56] Speaker B: He's like. Does weird stuff with his hands.
[01:29:57] Speaker A: This is my educated guess. It wasn't even educated, man. It was let's ride. Yeah, let's ride.
[01:30:04] Speaker B: Yeah, let's ride.
[01:30:05] Speaker A: On the Burning River Sportscast.
[01:30:06] Speaker B: Sorry, wrong movie.
[01:30:07] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:30:08] Speaker B: Bone, how you feeling over there?
[01:30:10] Speaker C: Tired as usual.
So I'm probably gonna leave.
Yeah. Bon appetit. See you guys later.
[01:30:18] Speaker A: I'm pretty tired.
Thank God, man.
[01:30:21] Speaker B: I will say this. Us having no interest according to you in Ben Gates and Sacred Calendrical. That sounds like a part of the problem.
[01:30:28] Speaker C: I'm watching these movies this week.
[01:30:30] Speaker A: You're going to be pissed off.
[01:30:32] Speaker B: I'm traveling for work this week, so I got a lot of time in a hotel. I probably will watch these movies to.
[01:30:35] Speaker A: The point where that's now become my favorite line from any movie of all time. Like anytime. I don't know something now I'm just going be like, I don't know, sacred clinical.
[01:30:41] Speaker B: Please start saying that on a show. That's your new. Your new catchphrase.
[01:30:44] Speaker A: I don't know. Don't just be a sacred cylindrical.
Be the whole damn problem.
[01:30:49] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
[01:30:52] Speaker A: Burning rivers Burning rivers Burning all the rivers Football's here, boys.
[01:31:00] Speaker B: Football's here.
[01:31:02] Speaker C: It's exciting. Ohio State, Texas.
[01:31:27] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:31:28] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:31:28] Speaker C: Good night, Akron.
[01:31:31] Speaker B: Quiet on set.
[01:31:32] Speaker A: I now have two loves in my life.
[01:31:36] Speaker B: Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:31:45] Speaker A: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:31:49] Speaker B: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[01:31:51] Speaker A: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[01:31:53] Speaker B: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the Hokey Pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sports C. Motorboat. You play the motorboat.
You motorboat. Son of a.
[01:32:09] Speaker A: You old seal. Are you. You know what I was thinking during that interview?
[01:32:12] Speaker B: What? What were you think? Nothing, cuz. You don't have thoughts, cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[01:32:17] Speaker A: Wow.
[01:32:17] Speaker B: My name is Utrid Son of Utred, by the way. I want my foreskin Back.
[01:32:21] Speaker A: It doesn't matter what you think.
Women's Guide to To Anal Sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes second edition?
[01:32:30] Speaker C: The weather outside is weather.
[01:32:32] Speaker B: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh my God.
[01:32:36] Speaker A: My ass is full of she everywhere.
[01:32:40] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:32:41] Speaker A: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[01:32:43] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:32:44] Speaker B: Oh no.
[01:32:45] Speaker A: We suck again.
[01:32:46] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[01:32:50] Speaker A: Jesus.
[01:32:51] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[01:32:51] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:32:52] Speaker B: Touchdown. Anyway, what do you mean funny?
[01:32:54] Speaker A: Funny how? How am I funny?
[01:32:56] Speaker B: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[01:32:58] Speaker A: Timber.
Godamn.
[01:33:01] Speaker B: Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like the meat pod.
Slow roasted.
[01:33:09] Speaker A: The leads are weak.
[01:33:11] Speaker B: Leads are weak.
[01:33:13] Speaker A: Leads are weak. You're weak. That we should send a. A team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[01:33:24] Speaker B: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. I mean, when I last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[01:33:35] Speaker A: Wow. But damn, I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[01:33:41] Speaker B: You know why, mister?
[01:33:43] Speaker A: Because you drove a Hyundai Day to.
[01:33:44] Speaker B: Get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW.
[01:33:48] Speaker A: That's my name.
[01:33:49] Speaker B: I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[01:33:57] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[01:33:58] Speaker B: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[01:34:00] Speaker A: Where's logo Girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love. We need Cheese girl. Now who's kidding? Canceled now. Who's canceled now?
[01:34:12] Speaker B: Probably me.
[01:34:13] Speaker A: You making it for the fat people?
[01:34:16] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[01:34:18] Speaker A: We're a whole race, basically.
[01:34:21] Speaker B: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[01:34:26] Speaker C: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[01:34:32] Speaker A: You like to see almost naked.
[01:34:33] Speaker B: That's cool, man.
[01:34:34] Speaker A: Whatever.
[01:34:36] Speaker B: People like, they're driving along and they're like in between meals, like, I'm a little hungry. I'm going to have a granola bar. And it's like, I need a cheeseburger.
Are you not entertained?
[01:34:46] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
Is this not why you were here?
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