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[00:01:11] Speaker B: It's time, time for the Burning River Sportscast.
Well, there were fireworks in Cleveland on Sunday with the much anticipated debut of Shador Sanders. Unfortunately for Shador and for the Browns, it didn't go well. There's obviously been a lot of reaction, a lot of overreaction, victory laps and memes. And you can say what you want about chador in the game and the performance, but the bottom line is this. The quarterback room in general, the inability to identify talent, the inability to develop players, the inability to game plan. Hell, the lack of any continuity of long term objectives is a lingering problem and this isn't new. Baker Mayfield, DeShawn Watson, Joe Flacco, Jacoby Brissette, Jameis Winston, Dylan Gabriel and now Shador Sanders all have found ways to fail in this offense. Different guys, different pedigrees, different skill sets, different accolades, different experience, same results. At some point when every room you walk into smells like, you have to admit, maybe you are the stinky, sweaty, smelly ass.
And we'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:19] Speaker C: We gotta be smart with the ball. We gotta do better. We gotta be better. We deserve better.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: We got a bunch of chips on our shore and we're gonna push them all in. Miles has 10 sacks in three weeks. I have had one sack my entire life.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: Women keep your pants on.
[00:02:36] Speaker D: It's been the same thing every week. Just boring ass football.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: He either is his daddy or Dylan calls him daddy. It's one or the other.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: Speaking of weak, Michael Penix Jr. Done for the season.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: His knee is weak and now I just have this image of Dylan Gabriel in my head. Like sipping Spaghettios out of like one of the thermos cups. Like daddy, dad. I talked to the team. I don't, I don't think it was that funny.
[00:02:58] Speaker A: It wasn't a joke.
[00:02:59] Speaker D: I didn't laugh over here.
[00:03:01] Speaker E: The Browns can win or lose any Sunday, but the Dog Pound has always been undefeated.
[00:03:05] Speaker D: I like my breakfast whatever in the morning I eat lunch at 12 or 11 and I want my dinner at 5 to 6.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: I didn't think I would get this gassed up about this. I'm pissed. Like, why is. Why are all holiday meals.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: We all agree with each other, but we're all super pissed about it.
[00:03:20] Speaker D: Yeah, well, I was telling you guys.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: Who's making these rules, man?
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Welcome in to the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tap In Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. The last time my partner tucked his junk between his legs, he left it that way. He's red hot. Ronnie jams.
[00:03:39] Speaker A: It hurts.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: On the board today. His takes are colder than Elsa's vulva, but his carrot is bigger than Olaf's. He's the big bone man.
Bone.
You're an outdoorsy type. You probably have experience in exotic destinations.
Yeah. What do you do when you come across an elephant in the jungle?
Ah, you run, wipe it off and apologize. Sicko.
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[00:04:17] Speaker A: And the official podcast of some Cleveland Brownsbackers somewhere. It's actually starting to be quite a few Cleveland Browns backers somewhere.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: Lots of Cleveland Browns backers.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah, you can find podcasts wherever you get your podcast. I'm talking to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, stitcher, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora, Iheartra Radio podcast, Castro GoodPods. We're our number one ranked football podcast and so many more. And leave a review on your preferred podcast app is the best way you can help us grow. And don't forget to subscribe on YouTube, the only place you can find our video podcast. And check us out on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok, our handle for all those socials. Burningover Sportscast. We are on X as well at the handle earning RiverPod. While you're at it, check out our merch www.thetepinmedia.com shop all kinds of stuff in there today on the show. This way you can look forward to hot takes from the hot take hotline. The Browns brief more messages from macho fan and Brownster not division roundup at King of the north with John Hughes, an interview with another Brownsbackers chapter this week, the Albuquerque Brownsbackers, and of course the Week 12 preview for the game against the Raiders. So turn up the volume and shut your mouth because it's time for the Burning River Sportscast. Now let's get things started with the Burning River News Story of the week.
All right, so this week for the Burning River News, story of the week, Bernie Kzar, good news. Got a new liver this week and he's on the mend. He's recovering. Says he's feeling great.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: He's been delivered.
[00:05:43] Speaker A: He was delivered and then relivered.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: Delivered and relivered. Yeah, he's delivered again.
[00:05:49] Speaker D: Relivered.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: See? Yeah. But no, just a great story. I know, you know, there was, there was some not so great news. He kind of came out last week and said his body was failing him, really needed a liver and luckily there was a donor found over the weekend and there's actually a really good story about the donor. Do you have some of that information, Kenny?
[00:06:12] Speaker B: I do. 21 year old Bryce Dunlap suffered a medical emergency last week, was rushed to the hospital.
But this family the week, this weekend the family learned that he would not survive.
Family made the difficult decision to honor Bry his wishes and donate his organs. They met with officials from Life Bank.
I guess typically the protocol is if you have like immediate family that's in need of an organ, they kind of start there first.
I guess her ex husband and mom and ex husband looked at each other and said, you know, Bernie Kar was going through some terrible stuff. And so they put Bernie on the list and you know, goes on to, you know, the story goes on to say, you know, she held her son's hand as he took his last breath. He was wearing his favorite brown shirt along with family and friends who were also wearing brown jerseys and said knowing he is helping save a life brings her comfort. So yeah, I think that's one of those things that gets sometimes lost in translation when you have obviously the, the miracle of life saving technology and, and procedures today to help elongate someone's life, but it often comes at the expense of, of another. So sad, happy. It's a mix of emotions here. But, but you know, either way, good for Bernie.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: Yeah, just a phenomenal story all the way around. Just the fact that they were able to, that young man was able to help.
But I think I read, I think the quote from his mom was just that the fact that he was able to make so many people happy throughout Ohio and throughout the world that were Bernie Kar fans, Browns fans, whatever the case may be, meant so much to them as a family. So just a really, really great moment in an otherwise unfortunate circumstance with the young man passing away. So, and then Bernie posted, obviously he's on the mend, he's feeling great and everybody's happy to see that he's doing well. So.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: But with that, let me do one more thing before we get to the Browns. Let me remind everybody to call the Bernie Sportscast.
Nobody's gonna leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. I think we do have a hot take, right?
[00:08:21] Speaker B: We want those hot takes.
[00:08:22] Speaker A: We do want them, but we got one. So let's, let's hear the hot take.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: We do have one.
[00:08:26] Speaker C: Hey guys, it's Menachem from the Browns backers of North Jersey. How you doing? It's Monday morning when I'm calling this game. Oh man, we had it.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: We had it.
[00:08:36] Speaker C: How many times are we going to let the let loss become from the clutches of a win?
How many times we're going to do this? How many times are we going to blow it in the fourth quarter? How many times we're going to lose out. This was. It was so deflating there had. When Shigura came in, there was that like.
It felt like an earthquake had erupted in the, in the place. And it's just inflating as the plating can be there. If he's going to be playing, he can't take those long, those long sacks.
He can't lose that many yards per sack.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: Excuse me.
[00:09:14] Speaker C: When Gabriel was playing, when he was getting sacked, at least it was, you know, a 3 to 7 yard loss, not a 12 to 15 yard loss.
We gotta be smart with the ball. We gotta do better. We gotta be better. We deserve better. And for the, for the, for the angry Bobby part of this, part of the call, who came to the conclusion that really it's not angry Bobby. There's different, like the moon, there's different phases to Bobby.
First quarter is optimistic Bobby.
Second quarter that turns to moody Bobby and then finally second half, that's when we get angry Bobby.
Hope you guys are doing well. Thanks for all you do. Have a great week and can't wait to call the hotline next week. Here we go, Brownies, here we go.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: Great call from Menachem. I like that they've developed the phases of Bobby and I like that there's only three phases. There's. He started. I thought he was going to go quarter by quarter where you're going to get four phases of Bobby. Nope, just three.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: By the second half.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: It's the whole second half is angry Bobby.
A little bit of a defense of Dylan Gabriel from Monum. Didn't know that. I'd. I didn't. Didn't really see that coming.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: We go there.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: No. But yeah I mean, I would agree he drifted in the pocket a little bit and Shador Sanders drifted in the pocket a little bit and took some sacks that probably were more yards than they needed to be. But when you're terrified and running for your life, I guess that happens.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:10:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
And I will say we have shittore talk coming up, so I'm not going to get too far into that. But the phrase you were looking for, Menachem, is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is what you were going for.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess the only thing I would say there isn't losing. Just the expectation now. I mean, he sounded disappointed that we lost.
I don't know that I have emotions about losing anymore because it's just I. At no point during. And I know we were winning for most of that game, at no point did I have any faith at all that we were going to win, that.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: We talked about this on a live show. I was at the game and as soon as we hit 16 points, I think we were up 16 to 10. If I'm not, is that the biggest, the widest margin?
[00:11:26] Speaker B: Halftime?
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Yeah, we were up 16 to 10 and I turned to my wife and I said, well, scored 16 points. We capped out. We can't score anymore.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: Hold him the rest of the way.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: And we didn't. We didn't score any points. And as soon as they passed 16, I was like, game's over.
Like, it's. It's done. Even before Mark Andrews had the, the Tush push run, like, if they would have just kicked a field goal there, I was like, that's all. I mean, like, chances were they were going to get in field goal. Like, there was just no way that I was feeling like we were going to win the game at that point.
[00:11:57] Speaker B: Kevin said, we have one of the best defenses in the league. There's no reason why 16 points shouldn't be enough.
[00:12:05] Speaker D: He said that.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: I was going to say, is that an actual quote? Because I'm about to shit my pants.
Yeah, I just. I don't.
I. We talked about this off air and it. And it's so frustrating is that so many people.
It's like Browns fans want to find the silver lining in this and like, talk about. We made. We made great strides in this game. No, we didn't. The game went exactly like we thought it would go. We scored 16 points. Our defense played out of their minds, and we just can't do enough on offense to win like it was. If you would have went into the game and told Us that it was going to be close. 16 points, defense played really well, didn't matter.
Is exactly what happened. Literally, exactly what happened. Forget all the nonsense with. With quarterback and what happened with injuries and store coming in, all that stuff. The actual game went exactly the way everybody thought it would.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: I mean, the crazy thing Is we scored 16 points, and seven of those were from the defense.
[00:13:00] Speaker A: Yeah, well, and that was. So that was at the end of the game.
[00:13:03] Speaker B: Anemic.
[00:13:03] Speaker A: Your offense is at the end of the game when they tied it up. And then that was when I was like, well, we can't win because our offense isn't scoring any more points and we can't be on defense right now. So that's the only way for us to score points.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Right?
[00:13:20] Speaker A: Yeah. So I don't know.
[00:13:21] Speaker B: Thanks for calling Menucha.
[00:13:22] Speaker A: Thanks, man.
[00:13:23] Speaker B: Made our day.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
Like I said, don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. 3302-2780-8133-0227-8081-3302-2278-0810, 1330, 227-881.
Oh, now. Operators not standing by, we'll put you on the air like Mankam.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah. You and Manokam can hang out.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: I'm glad you finally know how to say his name.
[00:13:45] Speaker B: Took me a minute, man.
[00:13:47] Speaker A: Yeah, you told him he didn't have a name.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Look, we're trying to put that behind us, okay?
[00:13:51] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I'm bringing it back up. You're a dick.
Speaking of hot takes, it's time for Dig it with the Macho Fan.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: Page.
[00:14:07] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: Next chapter. And then as you Las Vegas Raiders, when we're coming to the Sin City, you better bet that we're gonna be bringing the noise.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: We're gonna be bringing it.
[00:14:19] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:14:20] Speaker A: Not just even the Cleveland Browns and.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: Their defense, but the whole entire thug pound, the orange and brown are coming to your town. So let me just tell you right now we got a bunch of chips on our shore and we're gonna push them all in.
We're gonna go and try to get that W. You better believe so. Can you dig that?
Oh, yeah. Let's go.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: Macho, Macho fan.
I want to be a macho fan.
Nice. You guys enjoy.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: Maybe that should be the new sounder.
[00:15:00] Speaker A: Yeah, just start singing. It's terrible.
Everybody would tune out at that point. They're like, we don't want to listen to this anymore.
Macho fan's a dog.
[00:15:11] Speaker B: As always, a dog.
[00:15:12] Speaker A: Speaking of dogs, it's time for Burning River Sportscast dog of the week.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: You gotta play tough people in the National Football League. You gotta be ready and we gotta be the dogs that we are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack and don't stop until we're in that locker room.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: All right? So we leave it up to our listeners, listeners and followers to determine the burning over sportscast Dog of the week week each week on our live shows. On Sunday, we each nominated dog of the week. Bone phones is in because he doesn't join us on Sundays anymore.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: He had a busy weekend. He was out of town.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Yeah, Bone. Bone doesn't like to hang out with us on Sundays. He said, I get enough you on. On our normal recording night. I do not want to add another night.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: That's his daily dose.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like, I can take you in small increments. That's it.
But anyways, from there, we turn it over to all of you on social media and you vote for the final, final. You make the final decision for dog of the week. And so this week's nominees, spit it out there. I will, I will. I'll get there. This week's nominees, Bone.
[00:16:20] Speaker D: Devin Bush.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: I nominated Carson Schwessinger and Kenny and.
[00:16:26] Speaker B: Miles this week since I got to pick first.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: And so after the fan vote that was conducted on our social medias, the Burning river sports cats Dog of the is Miles Garrett.
[00:16:40] Speaker B: Did you forget the name of our show?
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I do that sometimes. No, I, I'm jazzed up on coffee right now. Bone made a good batch this week and I'm, I'm like a little wired, so things are just getting stuck.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: Was a good Joe Bone.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Miles Garrett. Five tackles, five solo, five tackles for loss, five QB hits and four sacks.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: That guy has more sacks than any sacks ever.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, seriously, in the last three games, he had a five sack game, one sack and then a four sack game. So it's a lot of sacks in three. In three weeks, he has 10 sacks.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: That's insane.
[00:17:15] Speaker B: That's so many sacks.
[00:17:17] Speaker D: He's coming for you, Gino.
[00:17:19] Speaker A: He really is. That was, I'm just going to keep harping on that. That was my bold. Well, he's coming for Gino this week, but I keep harping on the fact that my bold prediction before the season was he's going to break the sack record this year and it's, it's coming.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Miles has 10 sacks in three weeks. I have had one sack my entire life.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:17:37] Speaker D: Nice.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: You're proud of that?
[00:17:40] Speaker D: Was this high school, middle school. When was this?
[00:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah. When. When did you have a sack?
[00:17:45] Speaker B: Even today.
[00:17:46] Speaker E: He just got one.
[00:17:48] Speaker A: Just one.
[00:17:50] Speaker B: My whole life.
36 years.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: Anyways, with that, let's go ahead and get into the Brown's br.
All right, so this week in the Browns brief, we'll start out with Shore Sanders house was broken into during the loss to the Ravens.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: We thought the lead story was going to be Shador Sanders starting, but no, his house was broken into.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Yeah. While he was playing in a game. So this had to be premeditated.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: Like we, we know this guy.
[00:18:29] Speaker D: So.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: Yeah, you would think, like, it's somebody you know, like, you know, is this part of like.
[00:18:33] Speaker A: Remember there, there was a string of like, break ins at all the NFL players house and then they supposedly busted the ring of like, guys that were doing that.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: But yeah, I mean, it's got to be pretty familiar to know where you live and to know you're going to be gone for six hours on Sunday.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Like, if it is an inside job and it's one of your friends, you got bad friends.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: That's true. Bad friends.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: Yeah. That's like something Kenny would do.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: Probably a lot of good stuff in there.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: I'm never telling you when I'm going on vacation again.
[00:18:59] Speaker E: Smart.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Smart, yeah.
[00:19:03] Speaker A: Next up, Kevin Stefanski, without being prompted after the game on Sunday, made it known that if he clears concussion Prot call Dylan Gabriel will start on Sunday. And to that I say, Kevin Coward.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: Fire Stefansky.
[00:19:17] Speaker A: Yeah, Hashtag fire Stefansky.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: I just don't know why, like, that even is the.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: I just love all the memes of them. Like. Like him holding Dylan Gabriel's face and like, kissing his cheek and.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, literally the entire thing defies logic at every level.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: Like, I'll protect you no matter what, baby.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: There's a lot of wild accusations and. And theories around why he's going with Dylan Gabriel. I mean, I'm at this point convinced that they're romantically.
That's the only explanation.
[00:19:44] Speaker D: Maybe he's his dad.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Could be I'm your new daddy, Harry.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: I'm gonna say the resemblance isn't quite there, so I don't know if I buy that one.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: Last week we talked about prime coaching Shador, but what we found out was that Kevin, it's already happening. Dylan's daddy.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: It's already happening. Who knew? Who knew?
[00:20:03] Speaker B: He either is his daddy or Dylan calls him daddy. It's one or the other.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: Both.
Now we're Getting weird.
She got super wickety.
Listen, since. Since him saying that Dylan would start if he cleared concussion protocol, we've kind of learned that the story going around Cleveland is Dylan's got to clear by Wednesday.
[00:20:24] Speaker B: Well, yeah, it's kind of the start of the new NFL week and started the game plan for the. The following week. So if he hasn't cleared by Wednesday, it's unlikely that he would play Sunday. But I wouldn't put anything past Stefanski. Whatever's within the rules to do, they'll do.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I. I maintain if he clears by, like Saturday, they'll be like, yeah, you're the guy. Then we're. We're going with you.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I don. When, like the nf. Like when you have to submit an official roster by, like, especially with the concussion stuff, like, it's. It's weird. But.
But anyway, I mean, you would think that because you're going to prep all week, right? So if it's not by Wednesday, you start the game, you start implementing the game plan. You'd want to know who your quarterback is going into Sunday.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So we'll see what happens. But speaking of Shador, Shador is the news this week. Everybody knows that. I mean, you said it at the beginning, like, we thought the lead story was going to be him started. No, it was his house getting broken into. I did that on purp. Purpose so we could spend most of the time talking about him playing.
So with that, I mean, you know, I want to. Where I want to turn here is I actually want to turn this over to Bone because Bone wasn't part of the show on Sunday night. So I want to get Bone's thoughts.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: Like, enter the bone zone.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: Yeah, women.
Keep your pants on.
[00:21:37] Speaker B: I'm already wet.
[00:21:39] Speaker D: I'll try to put a string of thoughts together. It's not my. Not my forte, but, yeah, I'll make an attempt. So, mind you, I have nothing written down. You know, this is all off the top of my head.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:50] Speaker D: All right, well, I texted you guys during the game, like after that first series when Shador came in. I said he looked overwhelmed, and I think he was, and rightfully so.
He came in for half a football after not practicing with the first team the entire season.
I thought his feet were a little happy, but you can clearly see the guy has arm talent. He can move around the pocket. He was getting smashed. I think as Menachem talked about earlier on the hot take hotline, he probably took a couple sacks a little deeper than he probably should have. Maybe he should have just went down.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:22:25] Speaker D: He was trying to get out.
Seeing somebody throw the ball downfield was nice for a change.
And after seeing Dylan Gabriel for five weeks not improve, not do anything different, it's been the same thing every week. Just boring ass football.
Like, watching Shador play unprepared in that game was more exciting than any football. I feel like we've seen the whole year. So I want to continue to see Shador. Give him a week of practice, and then let's reevaluate after Sunday.
I don't think a lot of the criticism coming at him right now is necessarily fair. I think a lot of people are rooting for him to lose, and that's what you hear.
[00:23:11] Speaker A: We need to let Bone off the leash more often. That was a better string of thoughts than we ever put together.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: That was the bone zone.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: So succinct.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Very succinct.
Yeah. I mean, I think we agree with you in. In a lot of ways there. It.
The stat line looks bad, right? On paper, if you just looked at the box score, it looks really bad.
[00:23:29] Speaker A: We came out right away and we said, yeah, there was a lot of. There. It wasn't that. It looked bad. There was a lot of bad.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was not a good. Admittedly, Shador said I didn't play well, which is funny.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: We'll get to the media in a second. But like, him saying he didn't play apparently translates to, like, I don't like he. Like he. He's making it about himself, or he's. He's like. It's. It's just the way that the media twists everything. Shador says. Like, all he said was, I had a bad game. And it's like that's somehow ulterior motives with him saying I had a bad game.
[00:24:02] Speaker D: And.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: And both sides are just entrenched so deeply on this. There's either people that love Shador and think he's the greatest, and then there's people that just hate him for no reason other than the fact that his last name is Sanders.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: It's legitimately Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield all over again. Like, it's. You either love him or hate him.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: There's. For.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: Especially early on in his career. There's no in between. There's nothing. There's one or the other.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that's. It's just disappointing because I think you have to take an objective look at this, right. The box score was bad to Bones point. There were a Few good things that came out of that performance. He had a few drops, you know, the, the, the fact that he was willing to stretch the field and put the ball downfield, those things were good. He hit a few guys in the hands that drop balls. So like he's still accurate.
You didn't have any preparation for this game and it's not a full excuse to say, you know, he couldn't have done better. You're an NFL player, you're a grown ass man. Like do your job. Like you got to prepare every week. Like you are the starter whether you are or not. And despite whatever Kevin Stefanski's plan is and whatever resources he's giving you, you have resources, you have access to tape, you have access to the game plan and you have access to coaches and players and training and everything else. So like you have to go in and take care of your business. But I just think like it was, it was a mixed bag Sunday. It was, you know, the, the, the fact that the pressure was too much for him and he did look overwhelmed, looked unprepared. Those things are bad. The, the happy feet, those were bad. Like he has to not drift in the pocket, he has to step up in the pocket and make, you know, find clear throwing lanes.
But those are all the types of things that are fixable that over time you would expect him to get better at. And with reps, certainly that will help.
And the things, and the arm talent is there. So you know, those are, those are all positives you can build on. The, the things that we've been led to believe about Dylan is that he is, you know, already be able to do those things, the pre snap reads, you know, making sure the protections are right. He's a supercomputer at processing information quickly. The problem with Dylan is he hasn't shown any athleticism or talent to go along with it.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: As a matter of fact, he can't make some of the most simple throws in the NFL. Like the, the throws that they say you have to be able to make as an NFL quarterback. He can't make them. And I'm talking about the out route. I'm talking about friggin screens behind the line of scrimmage. He overthrows the guy almost every time.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: The flats route, I mean, I know it was silly, but the crowd went wild on Shador's first pass because he hit a guy in the flats like it was a four yard pass. But like people were like, wow, he actually hit the guy in strike.
This is amazing.
[00:26:40] Speaker A: Like that's it's like they're giving that to you.
[00:26:43] Speaker D: Right?
[00:26:44] Speaker A: So like, you know how they say take what the defense gives you? Dylan Gabriel can't even do that.
[00:26:48] Speaker B: No.
[00:26:49] Speaker A: Because he can't hit the guy in the flats and he can't hit an out route. Dylan, those are the ones they don't even cover. Like, they just kind of make sure as soon as you catch it, you go out of bounds.
[00:26:56] Speaker B: Dylan takes what Kevin gives him.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I see what you did there.
And yeah, so like this whole thing, the media was kind of mixed on it. Right. Like, we had had, we had a lot of guys come out and kind of stick up for Shador. We had a lot of guys come out and, and kind of shit all over Shador. So.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: Oh, the reaction has been all over the place. Again, both sides are so deeply entrenched in what they believe.
But it has been interesting to see the media because there's been, there's been on both sides of that as well.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And so some of the, some of the things with the media that I wanted to bring up, just a few highlights. Luke McCowan came out and kind of spoke of his take on practice reps and how they're divvied up during the regular season.
[00:27:39] Speaker B: Well, let's start with the fact that I think most of the, most of the criticism or the defense of Shador has been aimed at the fact that he didn't really have ample time to prepare.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: So that's the start.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: Well, that was us too. Like, that was our take is we're like, you can't judge him off of this. Like, he didn't prepare for the. Like he never got any start. He never got any reps. The first team, his. We talked about it earlier.
First catering that they ever heard from him was in this game.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Wyatt said, we've heard his cadence like twice. Yeah.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: So like all of those things.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: And Stefanski said right after the game that was the first experience that he had with the ones ever.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
So. But anyways, Luke McAllen talked about how, oh, that's normal. The backups don't get any reps with the starters throughout the season. And then he went on to compare himself to Shador Sanders.
He said his exact quote or not exact quote? His. I'm paraphrasing his quote. But he basically said, I was in this exact situation. I was a rookie mid round pick for the Cleveland Browns and I had, I got thrown into a game in the second half and had to play and perform. And that's. That was basically what he said.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sorry, I got to go back in time here a little bit. I. Luke McCown was drafted in like, like 2004.
Luke, were you projected to be a number one overall pick at any point in your career? Were you ever a top. The one of the top five quarterbacks in all of college football? And was there expectation that you were going to be the savior of some franchise someday? Because I find that comparison to be asinine. You're talking about a guy that didn't really have a great skill set coming in and never really did anything in the NFL except for play backup.
And, and that was, and that was the ceiling for him. Yeah, Shador was projected to be a first round pick, even maybe a second round pick. I mean, from most objective, Mel Kiper had him as a. Yeah.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: You know, and I understand there's, there's people out there that don't think Mel Kuiper is great at what he does, but regardless, the guy that is known as the draft expert.
[00:29:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: Had him as a top five.
[00:29:53] Speaker B: Thought he should have been first overall, thought he should have went to Tennessee.
So I just, I find the comparison there to be a little bogus. And then I think it gets worse from there because, you know, Luke McCown wrote, wrote this whole dissertation around, you know, backups and that being the norm, that backups really don't get practice reps.
This situation doesn't look like any quarterback situation or any quarterback room ever in the history of the NFL. First, they drafted two rookie quarterbacks this year. So if you're telling me that the plan was to go to Dylan Gabriel and that they, they truly thought he number one on their draft board and if it weren't for projections and getting, you know, the other guys that they had to ahead of time, they would have just, just as happily picked him first overall because they believe that much in him as the franchise quarterback. Then why ever draft Shador in the first place? Right? Why, why is he even there? If you really believe Dylan Gabriel is the future of this team, why. But the fact that you had both of those guys there means you have a responsibility to evaluate both guys and to develop both guys.
So again, not a situation that Luke McCown was in.
Literally in the history of the NFL, no team has ever just had two rookie quarterbacks activated on their roster ever in the NFL. So right away, by that benchmark alone, this is unlike any other quarterback situation ever in the history of the league. It just doesn't happen.
So if you have two rookie Quarterbacks, and you have two first round draft picks next year and quarterback is a quagmire and you're not sure what to do with it. You have a responsibility to evaluate both of those guys to determine can you take one or both into next season as your potential starter.
So to only give first team reps or practice reps to Dylan Gabriel doesn't make any sense. Here's the other problem with that analogy is Dylan Gabriel has been getting first team reps since the start of camp. He got first team reps when Joe Flacco was here. So why would Shador also not be afforded that same luxury?
[00:31:55] Speaker A: Especially when Dylan Gabriel takes over like, like the only two quarterbacks on the roster at this point. So.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: And Cam Newton, who I probably trust a little more on this than Luke McCown as the starting quarterback in the NFL, said literally today on ESPN that he was backed up by a good frame named, named Derek Anderson, who we're all familiar with here, who got, you know, 10 to 15 practice reps every day at practice. Because Ron Rivera always said we are one play away from him having to come into the game and he needs to be prepared. So there's a guy that, you know, played in A Super bowl versus Luke McCown who never played in anything worthwhile, who said they were getting their prep, their backup practice reps during the week. So the whole thing just doesn't, doesn't make any sense. And it's unlike any other quarterback room ever, right? So you have to think differently about it. And if the plan was I'm never going to develop Shador and I don't care, why draft him in the first place, right?
[00:32:51] Speaker A: And just to add to what you said, it's not like we're the first, the first team ever, which they might be this as well, but it's not like they're the first team ever to have two rookies as like one and two and then a, you know, a third string, like, backup quarter. Like, we only, we only have two quarterbacks on the roster and they're both rookies. Like, we were completely just playing without a net with Sanders in the second half. Like, if he would have went down, down, we were done. And we talked about that on Sunday.
Like, that's, that's the whole reason the Baltimore Ravens felt comfortable just pinning their ears back and going after him, because they said if something bad happens to Shadora, the Browns, they're going to have a receiver back there as quarterback. So.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: And the final thing about Luke McCown's criticism here that rings hollow is Luke went on to say, well, the backup quarterback is supposed to get their reps and their practice and their development by playing the scout team, which is difficult because you aren't actually running your plays and all these things. Things.
[00:33:47] Speaker A: What is Stefansky said about Shador playing on the scout? Does he.
[00:33:52] Speaker B: Oh, he doesn't play on the scout.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: Oh, he doesn't run the scout team.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: No. He gets Mondays and Saturdays for 10 to 12 reps after practice. Not with the ones with whoever's hanging around that hasn't gone in the shower yet. Is who Shador gets to play with. That. That's who he gets to practice with. Okay, so that's his development. Is, is. Is 20 plays a week he gets to practice.
[00:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
No, I agree with you. Just, just completely different situations.
And you had me at Luke McCowan. Have you ever at any point in your career been considered as a top draft pick, top quarterback?
[00:34:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:28] Speaker A: I mean, at all.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: No one ever had any expectations for you, ever, ever?
[00:34:32] Speaker A: Matter of fact, the expectations were for you. And the fact that you weren't getting practice reps, I think just speaks to the fact that the coaches were terrified that you'd ever get in the game. Yeah, I mean, he was like, they weren't giving you practice reps because they didn't want you to play.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: And he did start a few games, but it wasn't good.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: Good.
[00:34:49] Speaker B: Hence why he wasn't the answer. At quarterback for the Browns for 10 years.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: Brian Hoyer actually came out and had similar, I believe, similar comments about this. His. His still not the same, not even close. But his situation actually was, I would, I would say, a little bit more relevant just because of the.
And I don't even know that their actual situation is just the fact that there was so much hype around star power, like those types of things.
But yeah, I mean, it still is the same to me. It's like you weren't in this situation. It wasn't the same. It wasn't two rookie quarterbacks that in all intent, for all intents and purposes, they should be battling it out right now. They should be trying to evaluate both of them and decide who's going to be the guy moving forward and stick with him for the rest of the season, build the team around him potentially next year.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: I remember what I was going to say about Luke McCown.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: Oh, he's back.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: Luke McCown, you were a mid round pick, right? A fourth or fifth round pick pick. You were drafted where we expect you to be drafted. You. You didn't fall in the draft. By definition, a fall means you were projected to go earlier.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: Right.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: So you truly were a project, a developmental pick that was like, hey, maybe there's some upside here. We'll see over time. Whatever happens with this guy. No one was talking about drafting Luke McCown first in the first round. He wasn't expected to be that guy. So this is just very different situation.
[00:36:11] Speaker A: You actually bring up a really good point which, with when we're talking about Shador and Dylan Gabriel. Shador fell. He was expected to be drafted in the first or second round. Dylan Gabriel, on the other hand, we took him way for way ahead of where we. Anybody thought he would be taken. They. They were talking about to be drafted. They were talking. Yeah, they were talking about he'd be available in the fifth, sixth or seventh round. So, like, you're not in this situation. As a matter of fact, like, this is the opposite of your situation, which.
[00:36:38] Speaker B: Is even a very different situation than. The closest thing that I can compare this to is, is when the. The commanders or the Redskins drafted Robert Griffin III and Kirk Cousins and had both of those guys kind of on the roster at the same time as young quarterbacks. But Robert Griffin was a first round pick. He was a high pick. Who was. He was the guy. He came into camp as the guy. There wasn't a quarterback competition. There was. He was. He was the guy that was supposed to save their franchise. Kirk Cousins was an insurance pick.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. Just. Just asinine Synopsis from Luke McCowan here, I think.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Dude was feeling himself a little bit.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: Too much.
[00:37:19] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like, I've been there.
[00:37:20] Speaker B: I was a quarterback of the NFL. Yeah. You played more snaps at quarterback than me. That's.
[00:37:25] Speaker A: This was your yearly reminder that Luke McCowan played in the NFL.
[00:37:29] Speaker B: He's like, I gotta find a way to get my name into these headlines somewhere.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And yeah. So a couple other guys that had things to say. Rex Ryan said that because Shador sat on the bench alone after the game, that he was doing it for show and to make everything about himself.
[00:37:46] Speaker B: Did Rex bring that same energy two or three weeks ago when Miles was sitting by himself on the. On the edge of the bench and was throwing his helmet on the sidelines. Throwing a temper tantrum because he was pissed off.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: No.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: Shador isn't dumb. He knows he had an opportunity to change the narrative narrative and that he didn't play well. So of course he was disappointed in himself. We probably all would have sat there and been like, Damn. I just pissed away a golden opportunity.
[00:38:12] Speaker A: Here's another thing. Like how I guarantee you a lot of players do that after disappointing games like that. But the problem is he's Shador Sanders, and that's no fault of his own that his last name is Sanders and the camera is focused on him at every point of the day. Like he was sitting over there. Most people wouldn't even make that a story. Wouldn't even think that to be a thing. They zoomed in on him and they're like, oh, he's over here. Like, that's a non story. He's reflecting on the game.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: You're 100% right, because that happens every single Sunday in the NFL. At the end of the game when somebody doesn't make a catch or doesn't make a tackle or doesn't come up with the play, you see that guy laying sprawled out on the field or head in his hands on the sideline going, oh, my God, I can't believe I didn't do that.
Every week somebody, somebody on some team is going, we had it. We had the game one and I let the team down.
[00:39:04] Speaker D: Just seems like human nature.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: Nature, right.
[00:39:06] Speaker D: Like a very human action.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: Rex Ryan, I mean, he's. He's had some Cleveland hate for a while and he just. I feel like every time he opens his mouth to talk, I think he's less and less intelligent.
[00:39:18] Speaker D: I, I would agree with that.
[00:39:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:20] Speaker B: He just needs to see himself some feet.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: You went there, huh?
[00:39:25] Speaker B: He'll be all right.
[00:39:26] Speaker A: Yeah, he hasn't had a job in a while.
I actually want to say too, like, did you have this same energy when Big Ben, you know, the Browns beat them in the playoffs, and he's sitting on the sideline like, crying.
Was that just because he wanted to make the whole thing about him or was it just because he was reflecting on the game and he was disappointed at what happened? Like, get out of here.
[00:39:49] Speaker B: Stupid take.
[00:39:50] Speaker A: On the flip side of things. Because I, I think, I think going either way. Extremely. Whether you're backing Shador or you're trashing Shador. Yeah, it's insane right now.
[00:40:01] Speaker B: The dudes played one half of and.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: He was just thrown and had no time to prepare. We have no idea what's going to happen with this guy going forward. But, but on the flip side of things, Skip Bayless went all out defending Shador Sanders. He claims that he's a, a based off of this, this one half that.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: He'S seen 4 and 16.
[00:40:18] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. He's a franchise Quarterback. And he needs to be starting the rest of the way for the Browns. They need to completely build their team around him.
[00:40:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, he had a 15 minute monologue about basically. Basically a defense of every Shador Sanders play from Sunday.
[00:40:34] Speaker A: Did he legitimately go like play by play?
[00:40:36] Speaker B: Basically, pretty much. And I mean, he definitely did. At the end of the game. He. He kind of. Well, let's say this. He outlined the plays in the first drive where he complete a couple passes and then he was kind of like. And then there was some mush for a while and then he went play by play on the final drive and talked about every throw and every read and the protections and.
And after that, he was convinced that Shador Sanders is a franchise score quarterback. And again, I'll say, like, in conclusion, do I want to see more of Shador?
[00:41:04] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: Was I impressed by some of the things that he did? Yes. Was there also a lot of bad.
[00:41:11] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:41:11] Speaker B: Yes. So that leaves me just right in the middle, which is wanting to see more because of the sheer curiosity to know is he any good or not? I don't know if he's any good or not. I have a. I have a sneaking suspicion that he offers more.
More talent and more ability than Dylan Gabriel. Because I've seen Dylan Gabriel regress for five weeks.
[00:41:34] Speaker A: That's where I was going to go with this.
[00:41:35] Speaker E: Is.
[00:41:35] Speaker A: That's what we've said all along, like for the past however many weeks is it's not that we think Shador is the answer. It's that we know Dylan Gabriel is not right. And you can sit here and tell me it's not long enough to evaluate Dylan Gabriel all you want, but the fact of the matter is, like you said, he's regressed every single game. And I've seen. Seen too many basic throws that he cannot complete.
And I will specifically name out routes and fl. And anything in the flats, he just throws them in the dirt. He can't get the ball there. Anything that requires anything behind the line of scrimmage is. Is an overthrow. He throws it out of bounds. I'm just like, what are the. You need to give your guys a chance to win. And Dylan Gabriel consistently does not give his guys a chance to win.
[00:42:19] Speaker B: 1. Again, very small sample size with Shador, but that was. One of the things that stuck out was the balls that needed zip had zip.
[00:42:27] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: The balls that needed touch had touch.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: When he threw it down the field a few times, it didn't look like it took everything in him to get it there right.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: The ball that he threw to Fannin was an absolute dart at the end of the game.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: The ball that he threw into Lavradane.
[00:42:42] Speaker B: And the one to Larva Dane was. Was a beautiful touch pass that was delivered right on time that literally hit him in the hands in the end zone. I mean, you. You saw the.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: Mind you. It was great coverage by the defender.
[00:42:53] Speaker D: Had his AR there. Right. And kind of has great coverage.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Whatever his name is, he's a good defender. So.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: And if that goes the other way and. And Larva Day makes a, like, a fantastic grab, like, we're having a whole different narrative.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: That ball gets caught, you're talking about Shador potentially being the hero.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: He put that where only his guy could catch it.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, yeah, he had a couple rough series, but he got it figured out at the end. Then you're talking about him maybe that again, totally changing the conversation into maybe this guy is the future. He's a gamer. He came out when it mattered. Like. Like that one play changes everything.
[00:43:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'll say this. I do see a gamer in him because the fact that we've talked about this at length. The Ravens literally pin their ears back. We're throwing everything at you. And the fact that he kept coming and kept coming, and still there was three throws at the end of that game that were solid throws in the end zone.
I know a lot of people will say he missed it. Missed the. We talked about this on the live show. He missed the guy wide open. I think it was third down or second down, whatever it was. But the guy. The play broke down, and the guy. The receiver, he would see that he needed to break to the outside fast.
[00:43:57] Speaker B: Enough, and he was scrambling to his left.
[00:43:59] Speaker A: Right. And that's what I'm saying.
Stuck inside and didn't make the break to the outside fast.
[00:44:03] Speaker B: And even with the miss on that throw, it was closer than any of Dylan Gabriel's misses, because Dylan Gabriel's misses go 6ft over their head or 20 yards out of bounds, like.
[00:44:14] Speaker A: Or 13 yards short.
[00:44:15] Speaker B: That was at least near the pylon.
[00:44:17] Speaker A: It just.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: It was just. Just off. Just a little. Little bit.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: Well, and again, it was kind of like a calculated. Like, I'm rolling out, I'm starting. The pressure starting to close in on me. I need to throw to this spot where I'm not going to get picked off, but this guy can hopefully get to by the time. And it just. They just didn't connect.
[00:44:33] Speaker B: And what I can probably tell you about those two plays in particular is I Don't think Stefanski liked that. No, because Stefanski was looking at.
[00:44:41] Speaker A: No, absolutely not. Like you got past your first read. I hate this.
[00:44:44] Speaker B: Well, Steinsky was saying it's second and five and third and five, five. We just need a first down to can to keep the game going. And Shador was seeing, you know, his name in light.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: I'm calling right now, touchdown and we're.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: Going to win the damn game.
[00:44:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going to call on Kevin Stefanski because when it's third and five, second and five, you don't go for five yards, you go for two and a half and hope they get it.
[00:45:03] Speaker B: But that's the game plan.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's, you know, that gets you 16 points a game or less.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Well, because Kevin Stefanski's entire offense is predicated on trying not to lose. It's not trying. And that's, I think that is the divide, the great divide between Shador and the way that he plays, plays in the way Kevin Stefanski wants.
[00:45:21] Speaker A: Shador plays to win, which is Shador.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Is playing for the big play and playing to win the game. Kevin is playing guarded in every single scenario. What's the safest route?
[00:45:30] Speaker A: Which is insane to me because I, I don't know the answer to this. I'm not claiming to know the answer to this, but I would argue the analytics probably tell you the big play is a better way to live and die by than trying to dink and dunk the entire game and hope that something happens.
[00:45:45] Speaker B: Well, it's probably somewhere in the middle.
[00:45:47] Speaker E: Right.
[00:45:47] Speaker B: Like, and that's the problem.
[00:45:49] Speaker A: What I, what I, my analogy would be the NBA. The reason they've completely moved to the three point because even, even though it's a much lower percentage shot than everything else, is because they realize the, the risk reward, it's better to go for the three point shot and the extra points than it is to, to be safe and go for a mid range jumper.
[00:46:08] Speaker B: Well, I can tell you that if you're Shador Sanders right now, you've been watching this team score 15 points a week every week. And you know that's not enough points to win any game at any level. So I'm sure in his mind he's thinking, God, if we can just score some points, it'll change things for us.
[00:46:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And so, I mean, I guess this whole discussion right now, all this is to say, you know, obviously to talk about Shador versus Dylan Gabriel, but also to say, this is what you get with Shador.
Love it or hate It. The world talks about Shador Sanders, and this has been refreshing, just seeing the Browns in the news the last couple days or the last, you know, since he. Since he got into the game.
And again, the. The hate, I think, is unfounded. The fact that his last name is Sanders, that is not his fault.
Whatever animosity you have with him or his family or just the simple fact that he's a Sanders is just unfounded. Like, that should not bleed down into him just because he's a Sanders.
[00:47:08] Speaker B: Just st. Stupid.
[00:47:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just.
[00:47:10] Speaker B: I mean, it's. It's a. It's a completely subjective way to. To make decisions.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: I don't like you because you're famous.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: It's like saying, I don't like you because you're from here, or your name is this. Or whatever. Like, it's just a dumb ideology.
[00:47:22] Speaker A: The only time that's allowed is when you don't like people from Michigan.
[00:47:25] Speaker B: Well, that's.
[00:47:25] Speaker A: We don't give a damn.
[00:47:27] Speaker B: State of Michigan.
[00:47:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And then the fact of the matter remains, both quarterbacks need evaluated. We've had a decent stretch of Dylan Gaber. I think it's time.
Even with the dismal hat that was Shador Sanders, there was some promise in there. And I think it's time to turn it over to Shador for at least a few games to see what we have when he gets a full week of preparation.
[00:47:49] Speaker B: And I think the final thing that I'll say on this is just that I thought Shador handled himself really well. You can make bones about the whole. I sat on a bench and I had my hands. I thought his press conference was fine. I think the fact that he addressed the team. Team himself after the game and apologized and said, guys, this is on me. I didn't play well. I, you know, I. I should have made plays to help us win the game. Like, that's all. That's all leadership, accountability. Like, those are all the things that you want out of a quarterback. And I do think that there is a, you know, whatever it is a natural charisma to that guy. That. That is one of those things that you cannot measure. The reason the stadium went wild when he came in, right? Like, that's something that doesn't show up on paper, doesn't show up in a box score. There is something about him, that leadership is ingrained in him.
[00:48:40] Speaker A: Honestly, it's like the Baker Mayfield effect. Like, nobody really knew what he had, but he had something.
[00:48:44] Speaker B: Well, but Baker's was more like moxie. Like, I'M kick your ass.
[00:48:47] Speaker A: I feel like there's, I'm just saying.
[00:48:48] Speaker B: More magnanimous like presence to Shador. And what is that worth at the end of the day? I don't know. But I feel like you see that in other good players. Yeah. Another good quarterback.
[00:48:58] Speaker A: I agree. It's not the same as Baker. I'm just saying it's in the same vein. It's like he's, he's got the it factor.
[00:49:03] Speaker B: He's got some, some kind of X.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: Factor that not everybody has.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:07] Speaker A: And I will say this.
You mentioned him addressing the team afterwards. You know what, Dylan? This is just speculation, but you know what, Dylan Gabriel probably does after the game?
[00:49:16] Speaker B: Calls Kevin Stefanski daddy.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: Pretty much. I was going to say he probably goes now. Coach, can I address the team?
You think that's, you think that'd be all right?
[00:49:25] Speaker B: You think it'd be okay, Coach? Yeah, I'd like to address the team, sir.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Is that okay? Is that okay with you?
[00:49:30] Speaker B: Daddy, can I talk to the team?
[00:49:31] Speaker A: Team, yeah. So I don't know any. Here's the other thing is if Shador does play well for the next few games, possibly into the rest of the season, if they give him that long, which you're not going to, let's be honest, but if they did, then especially with the quarterback class that's coming up in this draft, all of a sudden looking really underwhelming like at that point now maybe you say, even if you don't think Shador is for sure the answer going forward, you say, is he enough to build around at least to start to say we're going to take this next year and really explore Shador and see if he's the guy.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: Explore Shador?
[00:50:06] Speaker A: Yeah, like that.
[00:50:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: And you draft maybe a couple offensive linemen receivers high, and you say, we're going to start building the offense and give him some weapons.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you took Mason Graham and Carson Scher early in this year's draft. You, you supplemented the defense in a big way.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: Can you take that same swing on offense this year? Year. And what does that do for the long term growth of this football team? Because I can tell you if you package both of those picks to move up to, you know, first overall and take Fernando Mendoza or Simpson from Alabama, who knows?
[00:50:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: And you may very well waste that pick in both picks because there's no guarantee that either one of those guys is going to be good at the next level. No, I mean, you take your pick, Lenora Sellers, any of Those guys that are in the conversation, none of them has particularly been great this year. Year. Julian Saan is probably going to win the Heisman as an underclassman, and he won't be available to draft, so.
And. And now I just have this image of Dylan Gabriel in my head, like, sipping Spaghettios out of, like, one of those thermos cups, like, daddy, Daddy, can I talk to the team?
[00:51:21] Speaker A: And with that image, let's go ahead and get into the division roundup.
All right. So there was only two games in the division this week because we all played each other.
Yep. So Pittsburgh beat the Bengals. That one wasn't even really a game. Wasn't. I mean, it was.
[00:51:46] Speaker B: It was kind of close till the end, but Pittsburgh, I think it was like 34, 12 or something.
[00:51:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't really a game. We were all right there. We all had Pittsburgh, and then Cleveland lost to the Ravens.
[00:51:56] Speaker B: We were all.
[00:51:56] Speaker A: All right there, too, but we. We all projected it was going to be a big loss for the Browns. We said it wasn't going to be close.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: Well, to be fair, everything that could go wrong for Baltimore did.
[00:52:05] Speaker A: You had, and we still lost the.
[00:52:06] Speaker B: Interception, fumble, the muff to punt, everything offsides on.
[00:52:11] Speaker D: Lamar didn't score a touchdown, passing or rushing.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:14] Speaker A: I mean, literally everything that could go the Browns way did, and they still.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: Lost Murphy's Law in action.
[00:52:20] Speaker A: That's how much worse we are than the Ravens. It's.
[00:52:23] Speaker B: They tried to lose the game.
[00:52:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:24] Speaker B: And we didn't want to win it.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And so for the AFC north standings are as follows. Pittsburgh on top, still at six and four. Baltimore right behind them now at five and five.
Cincinnati's at three and seven and Cleveland's at two and eight. So perfect. Cincinnati's ass. And we still can't catch them.
[00:52:41] Speaker B: Catch their ass.
[00:52:42] Speaker A: No. Current King of the north standings. Bone, you're at 21 and 13. I'm at 20 and 14. John's at 19 and 15. And Kenny, you're at 15 and 19. 19.
[00:52:51] Speaker B: I'm coming back.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: One day you might make it back to 500.
[00:52:54] Speaker B: It's going to be this week.
[00:52:55] Speaker A: He's like. Kenny at this point is just playing against himself. He's like, can I get back to 500? That's all I want to do. I don't. I'll take the Brazilian wax. I just want to get back to 500.
[00:53:04] Speaker B: You're going to get waxed.
[00:53:06] Speaker A: Me? I'm not. No, I won't.
Yeah. So we'll come back to King of the north soon. But it's time for a quick trip around the NFL.
So we'll start with Jamar Chase spit on Jalen Ramsey this week and Ramsey punched him.
[00:53:31] Speaker B: At the time we didn't know that he spit on him. No, it's that Jalen Ramsey lost his mind.
[00:53:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And Ramsey got ejected. And then. But. But Monday, after the video was reviewed and went viral, it was clear that Jamar Chase spit on it. Jamar Chase even came out and said, I ain't spit nobody, buddy. You clearly spit on.
Like it's pretty. This is one of the most clear video evidence things I've ever seen. I'm like, it's not even close.
[00:53:58] Speaker B: I guess it's like the ultimate sign of disrespect. But I just don't get it. Especially in the NFL when you unhygienic.
Especially in the NFL when you know there's a million cameras on you at all times. Like someone is going to see that. Like it's just not worth.
[00:54:11] Speaker A: So St. Andy just looks so trashy.
[00:54:13] Speaker B: He's a trash.
[00:54:14] Speaker D: And someone was already ejected this year for that and got fined a couple people.
[00:54:17] Speaker A: It's just like the fourth time it's happened this year.
[00:54:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't understand it.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, it is weak.
[00:54:24] Speaker B: Speaking of weeks, people from Kentucky do that sort of thing.
[00:54:27] Speaker A: Speaking of. Yeah, that's true.
Cincinnati's in Kentucky. Speaking of week, Michael Penix Jr. Done for the season.
[00:54:33] Speaker B: His knee is weak.
Potentially potential AC Hill injury.
[00:54:37] Speaker A: Yeah, they said he'll probably go on ir so he'll be out at least four weeks and they said most likely just because the timing of the season. He's probably done for the year.
[00:54:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean he's going to be in IR for at least four weeks. So I don't know. I mean what's their record? I don't even know what the record is, but it's not that good.
[00:54:51] Speaker A: So yeah, he's done a lot of sense for them.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, Jacoby Brissette set the NFL record for completions in a game this week.
[00:55:00] Speaker B: 47.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: 47 of 57 for 452 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions.
[00:55:07] Speaker B: They got smoked. But Jacobe had a day.
[00:55:10] Speaker A: Yeah, so he was on the Browns once. We. We couldn't throw for 457 yards if we tried.
[00:55:15] Speaker B: No, he did get all the quarterbacks knees.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: It would take us like 17 games to throw for 452 yards.
[00:55:20] Speaker D: He was like Stefan, ultimate QB.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Hey, there was the discussion we had.
[00:55:25] Speaker B: Check down King.
[00:55:26] Speaker D: Yeah, check down, check, check.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: But anyways. Yeah, so. And then Carolina, apparently they're 6 and 5.
[00:55:32] Speaker B: Didn't see that coming.
[00:55:34] Speaker A: No.
[00:55:34] Speaker B: If you would have asked me what Carolina's record is, I would have told you it was like 2 and 8 for sure.
[00:55:39] Speaker A: Well, Carolina is funny too because they're in, in such a weird state right now with their fans and everything else. I mean, we had.
We have fans that listen to us on Sunday nights on our live show that are Carolina fans. I don't really know how this came about, but it happens. And our Carolina friends that join us on Sunday nights, they told us recently that Dylan Gabriel was better than Bryce Young. So I would argue that's impossible because Bryce Young is 6 and 5 right.
[00:56:07] Speaker B: Now and Bryce Young threw for like 400 yards this week and three touchdowns.
[00:56:10] Speaker A: We could never do that.
Especially Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel could never do that.
[00:56:14] Speaker B: I mean, to be fair, Carolina did have a coach change at the end of the season. So this just goes back to my whole mantra of like, you can turn around a franchise in one year. I don't know where they will fall ultimately, but they've already won twice as many games this year as the Browns won last year with Kevin Stefanski, who's been here for five years, so. Or six years. Is next year going to be a seventh year? I don't know. It's been a long time. It's been too long.
[00:56:37] Speaker A: At the end of this year it'll be six years.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So Dave Canales, you know, he was in, in Tampa Bay with, with Baker last year and they had a great offense and, and apparently has brought that to Carolina because there's there moderately good football team, I guess at 6 and.
[00:56:52] Speaker A: 5, I think you're, you're like you're more than halfway through the season. You're above.500.
[00:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean they're absolutely in the playoff hunt in the conversation.
[00:56:59] Speaker A: And then my last thought on that, with Carolina being above 500 to the podcast in Carolina that quit. Don't you feel so stupid now? Meow Mix.
[00:57:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Bad job out of you guys.
[00:57:08] Speaker A: Just a bunch of weak ass bitches.
[00:57:09] Speaker B: Totally gave up on your team and now they're six and four. Five.
[00:57:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Punks.
[00:57:13] Speaker B: Weak ass punks.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: When I say weak ass, you say weak ass.
[00:57:17] Speaker B: Weak ass.
[00:57:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:19] Speaker B: Meow Mix. Meow Mix.
[00:57:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Meow Mix. Sucks.
They're gonna come back next year and be like, it was just a brief hiatus. Like, no, you, you quit don't listen.
[00:57:29] Speaker B: To their show, listen to ours.
[00:57:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Anyways, Aaron Rodgers broke his wrist on his non throwing arm this week.
[00:57:34] Speaker B: Really old.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I said. That is literally my note. That's what happens when you play football when you're 87 years old. Dude probably has osteoporosis. Like he shouldn't be out on football field.
[00:57:43] Speaker B: He'll be shrinking soon.
[00:57:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, yeah, he's probably legitimately 2 inches shorter than when he started his NFL career.
[00:57:51] Speaker B: I mean the worst part about this whole thing is that they're in first place in division and they're like, you know, better than average.
[00:57:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: We were really hoping the Aaron Rodgers.
[00:58:00] Speaker A: Whole experience perfect though because if he, if he does miss any time, they're going to finish one game over.500 and lose in the first round of the playoffs. True.
[00:58:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:08] Speaker A: Mike Tomlin will get fired and the Browns will hire.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: I'm not sure Mason Rudolph's gonna win a bunch of games there.
[00:58:12] Speaker A: No, no. Isn't it funny that even when the Ravens were like two and whatever they were like the Ravens are winning the division.
[00:58:18] Speaker B: Someday Mason Rudolph will post a very long Twitter rant about how being. How hard being a backup quarterback in the NFL is.
[00:58:26] Speaker A: Okay. Luke McCowan.
Yeah. Speaking of non backups, Josh Allen had six touchdowns this week.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: That was quite a good game.
[00:58:34] Speaker A: There's a lot of touchdowns. He threw more touchdowns than Dylan Gabriel has in the season.
[00:58:38] Speaker B: He threw two really bad picks. But if you come back with six touchdowns, three rushing and three passing, I guess you can throw as many as you want.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: I don't know if that's more than Dylan Gabriel has in the season, but I mean that's.
[00:58:47] Speaker B: It's almost as many. It's almost as many as seven and he, he had six in one game.
[00:58:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:52] Speaker B: So that guy's pretty good.
[00:58:54] Speaker A: Just the state of the Browns.
And then finally the Lions versus Eagles. One of the worst pass interference calls ever gave the Eagles the win against the Lions as the Lions were. Were mounting a comeback.
That sounds so dirty. And this is why I'm all for like AI reffing like it calls like this like where it's like was he there earlier? Was he not? And even on this one, like it was very off.
So.
And I, I know you mentioned this before we started recording, but at least let the booth review these things.
[00:59:25] Speaker B: Things. Yeah, I just this. I don't. I could give a. About the Lions or the Eagles, but I was invested at the end of this game and wanted to see what would happen because the Lions had pretty much been shut out by Philadelphia all game long. And then the Lions kind of had some spark at the end of that game and they did take a field goal to bring it within seven. And they had, you know, you know, the two minute drill, but they had all three timeouts. So, like, there was drama building and it was going to be an exciting finish. And then we had that race robbed from us by a very poor call. There has to be some kind of contingency when it is clearly blatantly obvious on video replay that the booth can review that, that there should be some kind of just hiatus to say let's make sure we get this one right because it impacts the rest of the game.
[01:00:12] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. And I think all the fans that were watching this game were the Lions db, Like, the picture of him with his hands on his face, like, no way.
That was everybody.
[01:00:24] Speaker B: That was Rakya Sin Rem. He was going to rock your world. And he was playing. He's a backup, but had to start due to injury and had a pretty clean game. But the whole thing is, is like, this is just bad for the NFL. This is bad for the product to. To lose a game, have a game. Decided on a travesty of a call.
[01:00:41] Speaker A: Right.
[01:00:41] Speaker B: That was very clearly not defensive PI and very clearly offensive PI. And you called it the wrong way.
[01:00:47] Speaker A: Was it. Was it Brown? Was that.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: It was. Yeah. And he.
[01:00:51] Speaker A: He pushed off because he's been bitching so much the last few weeks that they were like, we're going to give him some calls.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean, the thing is, it was evident because A.J. brown is so much bigger than rock. Yeah. That, like, when he extended his arm out into him, I mean, he, he almost fell over.
[01:01:05] Speaker A: He's like, I. Yeah, I agree.
But, yeah, I guess that just talks about how bad the NFL sex. I don't know.
[01:01:15] Speaker B: Roger Goodell.
[01:01:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Bad job out of him. But for us, that'll do it for our trip around the NFL. Kenny, I think it's time for another interview in our Browns backers interview series.
[01:01:26] Speaker B: All right.
How much money do you make a year before taxes?
[01:01:33] Speaker E: I'm actually not comfortable answering that.
[01:01:35] Speaker D: Come on.
[01:01:36] Speaker B: We're doing the interview now, not you.
[01:01:41] Speaker A: All right, so for this Brownsbackers interview, please help me welcome, hailing from Kraft Republic in Albuquerque, New Mexico, the president of the Albuquerque Brownsbackers, Jason.
[01:01:54] Speaker E: Let's go. Let's go.
[01:01:55] Speaker A: Jason, thank you so much for joining us out. How are you today?
[01:01:58] Speaker E: I'm doing all right. I'm Doing all right. You know, it's. It's Monday. It's a blue Monday after a. You know, after a lost Sunday. But, you know, we're. We're used to that. That's.
[01:02:06] Speaker A: That's, you know, the problem was the Ravens scored more than 16 points. So.
[01:02:10] Speaker E: Yeah, can't win.
[01:02:12] Speaker A: Can't win when they do that. But no, they.
[01:02:14] Speaker E: They hit. They hit their quota.
[01:02:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Before we get to the football side of things, though, let's talk about what's important. Tell us about your chapter.
[01:02:23] Speaker E: So, Albuquerque, New Mexico.
New Mexico. So it is in the United States. I promise. We. We. Of people who don't realize that I always ask about what their, you know, geography was like in school, but if.
[01:02:35] Speaker A: They'Re like, our high school. We all went to high school together on the show, we didn't have geography, so.
[01:02:39] Speaker E: Okay, well, there you go.
It happens. You know, there's. You know, there's a lot of people don't even know that there's any United States west of the Mississippi besides California. So we. We have. I have. This is my fifth year as this chapter president. I took over right after Covid, the guy who had been taking care of it before that.
He'd been doing it, I want to say, since like, 94.
So he had a real long tenure. But it was.
It was kind of some Kind of some older way of doing things, like they sent out, like a physical mail letter, that kind of thing. And when. When everybody was just trying to come back and try to find a place, I had kind of a.
A passion and a vigor of, like, trying to get people excited for the games. And they. They were just like, hey, man, I want to hang this up. Do you want to do it? And so they call me president, but it was more like a hostile takeover. They just sort of handed it to me.
[01:03:33] Speaker A: The hostile takeover on. On their part?
Yeah.
[01:03:36] Speaker E: Yeah. If nothing. Either that or they just dropped it and they said, hey, pick that up for me.
So I just kind of took it. That's kind of how I took over. But it's. It's gotten pretty good. We've. We've had a lot of fun. We're getting a little more consistency as far as membership. You know, we. We average 25, 30 maybe on any given day, which isn't too bad.
The. The International Balloon Fiesta, which is like a big worldwide event that happens here first and second weekend of October, is always really big, so we can end up having. We get a lot of travelers for that, so we'll end up having you know, 75, 80 people for that kind of stuff. And then when we were in the playoffs, gosh, right after we beat the Steelers and the game that we lost to the Texans, I couldn't even tell you how many people were there. It was just packed to the bone with people. And then I never see them again. So, you know, our seasons are always kind of like. Like kind of touch and go. First week, well, I mean, we can have 60 people. And then after that, you know, depending on if we win or lose, which is usually a loss, they're like, I never see them again.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: So.
[01:04:43] Speaker E: But we're, you know, we're. We have a lot of fun. We've started doing more.
More and more stuff. Like, I finally got merch up for it, which has been kind of fun, just getting that stuff together.
We do, like, regular raffles now. None of this stuff was going on before, before I took over, so it's just been.
I'm trying to get them more involved, have a little more fun. And to DJ years ago, back in my 20s, so I decided to start putting that to work. And so now I have sound bites that I play during the games. I have, you know, reactionary music, that kind of stuff. If nothing else, you know, we laugh instead of cry if. If I can help it. So we. We have a lot of fun. I am looking to. To try and get more of the, like, community service stuff down. I've got some members interested in that, and then I'm starting to get some more active members that are coming on kind of as a council. So I have like a vice president, I have a sergeant at arms, I have a secretary. I'm working on, a treasurer.
You know, it takes a. It takes a lot of folks to make these things churn. And I've gotten a lot of. A lot of good feedback from other presidents elsewhere. So it's been. It's been pretty cool. I was in London for the London game and got to meet their president, and she was phenomenal. And they just. I mean, they really hit that thing out of the park. Every. Every event I went to for that was just phenomenal.
The game was probably the worst part and probably only like the last two minutes of. Of the game.
[01:06:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:02] Speaker E: Everything else for that was just amazing. So Albuquerque, New Mexico, if you're ever here, we're here.
Especially in that first. First and second week of October. That's the time to be here.
[01:06:12] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And a couple things. First of all, when you. When we signed on and we're talking right before we Got started here. You know, I, I thought to myself, I was like, you know what? Something about this guy screams dj. I don't, I don't know why.
[01:06:25] Speaker B: Play a lot of womp womp tunes during the game.
[01:06:27] Speaker E: Yeah, I do have a womp womp that I do play quite often. Yes. I got a lot of.
I recently picked up a bunch of sound bites from Full Metal Jacket that I play a lot. And it's, I mean, what I love most about that movie is it's infinitely quotable and it's only like the first five, ten minutes of the movie, but so many of Arlie Ermey's Drill Sergeant Hartman stuff comes out and it just plays perfectly and I get people looking at me like, what the hell are you playing this for? But it's like it fits and people, people seem to like it. So I get, I do get some funny looks from other teams.
We do all because we, where we meet, there's a couple of other teams that'll meet up there. There's like a big Eagles club and there's, I mean, their numbers have, you know, exponentially grown since they won the Super Bowl. But just wait till the Browns are.
[01:07:20] Speaker A: Good one time and then we'll, we'll blow them out of the water.
[01:07:24] Speaker E: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, it's. But yeah, so it's just, I've been, I've been doing that. Yeah, I did a lot of like weddings and corporate events before, so I do get that a lot too.
[01:07:34] Speaker B: Where.
[01:07:34] Speaker E: And it's, I don't have like that strong like DJ voice either. Like, I can't, I can't stand to hear myself talk.
[01:07:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:07:43] Speaker E: So I, I just, But I just do what I do. I mean, I had, I had a theater background. I had a performing arts background. So I just don't mind making a complete and total jackass on myself. So I just do whatever I think is funny and if people laugh along, great. But it seems to help, it definitely seems to help with this club.
[01:08:02] Speaker A: So I mean, that's kind of like.
[01:08:03] Speaker E: I like them.
[01:08:04] Speaker B: We all, I mean, every Sunday in New Mexico you have a blanket party.
[01:08:09] Speaker A: Yeah, You made me love a whole train of thought. I had a follow up question to that. Now I completely lost it.
[01:08:21] Speaker B: Jason, do you get a lot of travel coming into town to throw a pizza on the Breaking Bad house that.
[01:08:28] Speaker E: Is as significantly deteriorated, but there was a period there for a while where it was going on and you know, it's just one, it's kind of one of those crazy things where you're Like, Like, I kind of get it because it was iconic for the series, but of all the things, you're just gonna walk up to a stranger's house and be like, oh, they'll think this is funny.
[01:08:49] Speaker A: But yeah, I'm so pissed if people just kept throwing pizza on my house.
[01:08:54] Speaker E: Yeah. And as far as I know, the.
[01:08:56] Speaker B: The.
[01:08:56] Speaker E: The owner of the house, she was like a little old lady, like, I think lived there by herself, and she knows she keeps coming home to a 16 inch pie just like sitting on her roof. Like, I'm like, dang, dude. And you can't even wait for the rain to come down and like, slide that thing off. Like, you've got to get a ladder and get up and get it right away. Like, it's just.
[01:09:15] Speaker A: Man, I remember you mentioned the London stuff and all the things that were going on over there. We talked to Kelly the week of the London game, and Kelly was.
Yeah, she's. We've heard nothing but great things about that entire event, so a ton of work. Yeah, I'm glad you were able to go and experience it.
There was actually so much.
The number of Browns fans that went to that thing was insane. Because we hear. I mean, you're like the what, the fourth. Fourth or fifth person that we've heard from that's like, yeah, I went to London for the. The London game and it was awesome.
[01:09:49] Speaker E: So, yeah, yeah, it was a good time for sure.
[01:09:52] Speaker A: But and just so you know, for your numbers, 25 to 30 a week is actually. I mean, that's real good. That's really good numbers. You think about 30 people that are willing to get out of their house and go watch a game together every.
[01:10:04] Speaker B: Single week for a 2 and 8 football team, right?
[01:10:07] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:10:07] Speaker A: And. And I think that's what people don't understand is now multiply that times. However many chapters there are, some get more, some get a little bit less, some get significantly more. I mean, there's a few big chapters out there, but, like, my point is, like, there. Browns fans show up. No matter what's going on, no matter what's happening, Browns fans show up and it's pretty insane to see.
And it's what I come back to all the time. I'm depressed. I'm sad that they're losing this year. It's not fun. I'm angry that they don't fire the coach. That's a whole other story. Let's not get into it. But what I always come back to is like, but your fans show up week after week after Week, no matter what. Maybe not necessarily in the stadium. I saw that this week. But they're watching. They care nonetheless.
[01:10:52] Speaker E: So I've kind of been saying it for about 10 years, and I know it sounds kind of hokey to some people, but I said, you know what? The Browns can win or lose any Sunday. But for as long as I've, like, consistently been watching this team, which is most of my life, the Dog Pound has always been a defeated because we always keep coming back no matter what. And it's. I mean, the number of times I've had friends that tell me, like, dude, just. Just come. Come be a fan of my team, dude. Like, stop doing this to yourself. Like, I'm not going to give you any. Like, I will. You know, I. I'll. I won't. I won't ever say a word about. I'm like, no. What kind of fan would I be if I did that?
[01:11:25] Speaker A: Right?
[01:11:26] Speaker E: Like, I just, you know, with everything I've already been through, like, I don't know that it can get much worse, but now that I've said that, I guess we'll. We'll have to wait and see. But, I mean, we've already been through Owens.
Right. I mean, we've already been through Owen 16, which somehow felt better than this. Right now. We've, you know, we've been through multiple coaches, multiple quarterbacks, multiple front offices, and, you know, this is where it's. At this point, I'm almost like, just. Just bring it on. What else you got? Like, let's. Let's see what else we can get through.
[01:11:51] Speaker A: I think deep. I think every Browns fan just knows. They know, like, if. If they do ultimately turn us around and win a Super Bowl. And that was the time that you decided to give up and not be a fan.
[01:12:02] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:12:03] Speaker A: That's going to feel way worse than all those years that you were a fan and didn't.
There was no reciprocation there.
It'll feel way worse to not be a part of it when it happens. So. And it's. I say when it happens because statistically, it's got to happen eventually, right? I mean, it has to. So another thousand years, Jason.
[01:12:22] Speaker E: Yeah, I was gonna say somebody said they used chat GPT or something a while back to see when each. Each team was going to win their next super bowl and ours was like, 2046 or something like that.
[01:12:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:12:32] Speaker B: I would take it.
[01:12:33] Speaker A: If it's out there, it's in my life.
[01:12:34] Speaker E: Yeah. I know that I'll still be alive.
[01:12:36] Speaker A: I'll still Be here. I'm.
[01:12:36] Speaker B: I'm fine with that.
[01:12:37] Speaker A: I mean, I hope so.
Who knows what this guy's gonna do to me.
[01:12:43] Speaker B: Jason, how did. How did you end up in Albuquerque as a Browns fan?
[01:12:47] Speaker E: So I was a military brat. My. My dad was in the air force for 20 years, so I was actually born in Anchorage, Alaska.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was. I mean, I told. Told a lot of those guys that, you know, a lot of guys that recognize the sound effect. I said. I said, I know you guys think this is from the movie. This is actually just me helping my dad fix the Sink back in 1986.
So it's a. You know, it's kind of the same thing. But, yeah, I was. I was a military brat, so we moved around quite a bit, but we moved to Albuquerque when I was 4.
And then after I graduated, I lived out in California, in Orange county for about 11 years. And then when I got married, I came back here because my wife's from here as well, so.
But everywhere I've been, people are always like, dude, a Browns fan. Like, do you lose a bet or something? And I said, look, I.
I officially became a fan in the 80s when I was born. This has been a lifelong thing for me. It's like, it. You know, I didn't pick it. It picked me. But now I pick it week in and week out every season. So it's. Now it's on me. But I don't mind.
[01:13:47] Speaker B: You know, speaking of Pickett, do you think we'll see Kenny Pickett this week?
[01:13:53] Speaker E: Oh, that's right.
[01:13:54] Speaker D: Is he.
[01:13:55] Speaker E: Is he. Is he in Vegas now?
[01:13:56] Speaker B: He's in Vegas. So that was.
[01:13:58] Speaker A: My Chino isn't very good.
[01:14:00] Speaker B: That was my veiled attempt to pivot towards football now. Yeah.
[01:14:03] Speaker E: Well, there you go. That was a good segue.
[01:14:05] Speaker D: I like that.
[01:14:06] Speaker E: That was a good. Good pivot. Yeah.
[01:14:08] Speaker A: Besides the fact that you had to explain.
[01:14:12] Speaker B: Would have been good.
[01:14:13] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I don't think we'll see Kenny Picket. I'll just answer that question for everyone.
Gino's. Gino's still okay, right?
[01:14:21] Speaker B: Okay, if you say so. This QBR is almost as bad as Dylan Gable.
[01:14:25] Speaker A: Is it that bad?
[01:14:26] Speaker B: He's 31 out of 32.
[01:14:28] Speaker A: He's right next to it. I guess I'm not plugged into to Vegas, even though that's who we're covering.
[01:14:32] Speaker B: This week, because we haven't done our preview for the game yet.
[01:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I haven't gone through all. I got my Cliff Notes, but no talking about the game. I mean, what do You, Jason, we got to know what do you expect to happen this week against the Raiders? Are you, are you seeing good things or bad things for the Browns?
[01:14:50] Speaker E: You know, I all, all I keep hearing from guys who, you know, no ball is that, you know, you got to give these guys more than one start. If Shador starts again, which at this point I kind of think he should, I was always on the. Of the mindset of like, okay, okay, Flacco's gone.
Give. Give Dillon six, seven starts, see what he's got. If it's not there, if he's not really making this team better, then try the other guy. That's what he's there for.
So I think this one would be Shador's first full week, which would put him giving him another six weeks, maybe seven if we decide to start him at the end.
So to me, it's just the math is there. You got two rookie questions. Quarterbacks. Give one, give one a shot, and hopefully he looks better.
I know a lot of these guys, you know, when they come in, I, I think so many people have gotten locked into this. This next quarterback is just going to come in and be the, the savior messiah quarterback that we need. And I think they forget that it's a rookie. It's a rookie position and it's, it's the toughest in football.
But everybody wants that Tom Brady, Brady, Peyton Manning type thing. And you know, I think people forget Peyton didn't even have that great of a rookie season, if I recall.
And, and Brady sat for a long time. So there's this kind of this weird thing of like we had. We have so many expectations for it. But do I think we will win?
[01:16:15] Speaker A: No.
[01:16:16] Speaker E: Do I think we can? Absolutely.
Because I think we can win most of our games. We just don't for whatever reason, like you said, like we'll score our 16, 17 points and then our offense is kind of like cool, we did our job. It's like all of the aggressiveness, all the creativity goes away and then our defense is still out there just playing balls to the wall.
[01:16:34] Speaker A: And the reason we don't win rhymes with Peven, she, Stanski.
[01:16:39] Speaker E: You know, I got to admit, I backed that guy for a really long time, but I have soured on him in the last couple of seasons and right now I like. All I can hope for is the. That Miles goes out there and keeps game wrecking and you know, he keeps doing what he's been doing and, and gets that sack record up. I really think he can, I think he can Beat it.
I think he can eclipse it. Not just by one or two. I think he can.
[01:17:05] Speaker A: Really.
[01:17:06] Speaker E: I mean, the last couple of games have proven that, like, I mean, if he can get four or five sacks a game. I know that sounds ridiculous, but he's been doing it, so let him keep going. And I think a lot of our rookie talent on. On. On defense has been phenomenal. Carson Swessinger and Mason Graham have just been amazing. I mean, I couldn't have asked for anything better. So it's. If we can apply that same kind of talent on the offensive side of the ball, I mean, this team will finally start doing things.
[01:17:34] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, with all that being said in the middle of this, you kind of laid out, I think, how most of us feel week in and week out. Can they win? Yeah. Are they going to win? Probably not. So.
[01:17:45] Speaker B: Right.
[01:17:46] Speaker A: With that being said, what's your score prediction this week?
[01:17:50] Speaker E: Ooh, I don't see it being very high with these two teams. I. I mean, I would.
I would say 21, 17 if that.
Like, that would. That would be my ceiling. So I think.
[01:18:05] Speaker A: Are you going with the Raiders?
[01:18:07] Speaker E: I'm going to go with the Raiders just because I don't.
[01:18:10] Speaker A: 17 is an improvement. It's over 16, so.
[01:18:13] Speaker E: Well, this is true. So, you know, we're. We, you know, increments, man.
[01:18:18] Speaker B: Baby steps.
[01:18:18] Speaker E: We'll get there. We'll get there.
[01:18:20] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:18:21] Speaker E: Yeah. I just, I.
With the. With the way the culture of this team has been and this, for whatever reason, this is what's permeated over decades now. Doesn't matter who the coach is, doesn't matter who the quarterback is, doesn't matter who the front office is. There's just this weird mentality. There's not like that. I don't know if it's mental. I mean, I never played football, so I'm not going to be one of those guys that pretends to know. But I don't know if it's the mental toughness thing. I don't know what. But there's just. There's almost a point where every fan can feel it, where they're just like, okay, the offense is done and the defense is quit. Like, it's. It's almost like you can set your watch by it a lot of weeks, and I don't know how you get past that.
I keep hearing that it's coaching, but we've gone through coaches, so I don't know. I don't know what the next thing is. Like, how many do you have to go through before you're like, oh, we finally hit the guy, you know, and we play in a division where there's been a lot of consistency in that area, so it's. That just sort of makes us look even worse. So it's. That's always the tough part, is that there doesn't seem to be that. That drive to get better and now with it, you know, winning games right now only hurts our draft pick.
So whether or not you're a big believer in the tanking conspiracy or.
Or that story, it. It kind of has value now because you're kind of going, well, what do we really want to do? Because if Shador doesn't come out and. And turn. Turn into this great QB that everybody wants him to be, whether you're already a fan or not, it's hard to say, well, why. Why aren't we tanking for the next guy? Because I think at this point, most Browns fans, most real Browns fans, they don't care what the name is on the back of the jersey. They want to win. They want to see ws.
You know, if we've already lost Nick Chubb, if Miles Garrett walks away from this team, this city, and this fan base is still going to. I know.
[01:20:09] Speaker A: I love it.
[01:20:09] Speaker E: I was.
If this team ever does win a Super bowl, it's. It's still going to be the biggest thing that's ever happened in Cleveland. Because that's the one thing I do know about Cleveland. It is primarily a football town.
Yeah, they got the guards and they got the Cavs, but it is a football town. So if that ever happens, we're not going to care what the names are on the back. It's all going to be about, are they wearing brown and orange?
[01:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah. If anybody ever doubts if this is a football town or not, let me just remind everyone that from 1995 to 1999, the Cleveland Indians at the. The time, sold out every single home game. And then the Browns came back and they don't sell out any games anymore.
So, I mean, I'm just saying, since that time they, they. It's rare to get a sellout in Cleveland for. For the Guardians. So. But listen, Jason, I. I wish we could. We could talk all night. Unfortunately, we do have full episode to put together here, so.
We will, though, if we're ever out in Albuquerque because we travel there all the time.
If we're ever out there during Brown season, we definitely will be stopping by to catch a game and meet your chapter and all the people, you know, the awesome People that are there with you.
[01:21:20] Speaker E: So appreciate it, man. Yeah, thanks. Thanks, guys. It's been fun.
[01:21:25] Speaker A: Absolutely. Thanks, Jason.
[01:21:30] Speaker E: We are the Albuquerque Browns Backers, and you're listening to the Burning Rivers Sportscast. Go Browns.
[01:21:41] Speaker A: Good time talking to Jason from the Albuquerque Brownsbackers, huh?
[01:21:45] Speaker B: We've been trying to keep these interviews condensed this year just from a timing standpoint on the show.
[01:21:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
That's probably our longest one of the year.
[01:21:53] Speaker B: Jason, man, that dude has the gift of gab. I mean, he was. He was thoughtful and articulate, so, like, we just kind of let him go. But, like, yeah, man, that dude. That was a good conversation.
[01:22:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
And everybody runs out. Most people run out of steam pretty quick.
[01:22:07] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:22:07] Speaker A: He was like, jason, I can talk about the Browns all day.
[01:22:10] Speaker B: He was like, I got all the takes.
[01:22:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:22:12] Speaker B: Which we.
[01:22:12] Speaker A: And they were pretty good takes, too. So I was. I was.
[01:22:15] Speaker B: It's always interesting, too, to talk to these guys. You know, obviously, we talked to a lot of local Browns backers game with the in division stuff, because everyone's kind of close together. Always interesting to talk to somebody that's, like, totally out of footprint.
[01:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:22:26] Speaker B: And. And realize, like, even in a place like New Mexico that is a part of the continental US that basically not. There's still 25, 30, 60 people that are showing up every week to watch the Browns in some random bar.
[01:22:39] Speaker A: And that was a division of numbers. 25, 30, 60 people.
[01:22:43] Speaker B: We said they had 25, 30 normally.
[01:22:45] Speaker A: I know. I mean, I get where you were going. It's just. It was funny.
[01:22:48] Speaker B: I don't. I don't think it was that funny. It wasn't.
[01:22:49] Speaker D: It.
[01:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:22:50] Speaker D: I didn't laugh over here.
[01:22:51] Speaker B: It wasn't a joke. It wasn't even. Wasn't even a clever.
[01:22:54] Speaker A: That's usually what I say. 25, 30, 60.
[01:22:56] Speaker B: It was just the facts of what he said.
[01:22:58] Speaker A: That's fine. Why you. You mad, bro?
[01:23:01] Speaker B: No. I just don't understand what's so funny about that.
[01:23:03] Speaker A: Bun's laughing now.
With that, let's go ahead and get into the Week 12 preview.
All right, guys, this week we got a game that we might actually have a chance in. We've got the Raiders.
[01:23:29] Speaker B: We do have the Raiders.
[01:23:30] Speaker A: And so with.
With another week 12, with another weekly preview, comes another edition of Kenny's Cliff Notes. Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:23:40] Speaker B: Oh, boy.
Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:23:45] Speaker A: Oh, boy. You're excited this week.
[01:23:47] Speaker B: I am, because this is. Is this. I had checked out.
[01:23:49] Speaker A: This is the Brown Super Bowl.
[01:23:50] Speaker B: Checked out last week because we're the Cleveland Browns, there was zero chance that we could win.
[01:23:55] Speaker A: That's not an ad.
[01:23:56] Speaker B: This Raiders team is really bad. So there actually is a chance that we could win and I'll tell you why right now.
[01:24:05] Speaker A: I'm listening.
[01:24:06] Speaker B: Welcome to Kenny's Cliff Notes. After 14 years with the Seattle Seahawks, the ageless wonder Pete Carroll, at 74 years young is spending his 3 31st season in the NFL with the Raiders. I say with and not coaching because there doesn't appear to be much coaching going on for the two and seven Raiders. Chip Kelly leads the offense and veteran Patrick Graham leads the defense. Geno Smith has thrown more interceptions and touchdowns and as a qbr, almost as bad as Dylan Gabriel's almost. The hourglass on his resurgence seems to have run out. It's too early to call Ashton Genti a bust, but he certainly has been less than bargained for ever, averaging just 3.8 yards of carry and with just four touchdowns on the season. Raheem Mostert is a capable running back. 2 Grandpa Tyler Lockett leads a receiving corps of bums including Trey Tucker and Jack Betch, which doesn't matter because all the balls go to second year tight end Brock Bowers, who is an absolute stud but has missed some time this year due to injury.
Veteran offensive lineman Alex Kappa leads this offensive line which is one of the worst in the league. They can't pick up a blitz to save themselves and have completely ruined Ashton Genti's fantasy sock stock by allowing penetration concentration on every other rush. If this team had a strength, it would be on the defensive side of the ball and their ability to limit not stop, but limit the run. And even that is questionable. Max Crosby is really good and has more tats than Lady Gaga. In fact, he has a tattoo of Lady Gaga. Oh, all right, I made that last part up. But that would be super lame.
The super lame like the rest of the secondary. On this team, when your best defensive back is Jeremy Chin, you're in trouble. Isaiah Polemow is good enough to intercept a Dylan Gabriel pass, but that's not saying a lot.
Daniel Carlson's been kicking it in Las Vegas since 2020 despite the fact that he looks like the redheaded version of Megam Mind. And with the offense as bad as it is, we're likely to see a lot of AJ Cole. This week is basically him versus BoJo on who can kick their team into position for a couple field goals. You've probably seen baseball games with higher scores than we'll see on Sunday.
Go Browns.
[01:26:05] Speaker A: That was in depth.
[01:26:07] Speaker B: It Always is. It's Kenny's Cliff Notes.
Better be prepared for your book report.
[01:26:11] Speaker A: I've been saying for a while that we pro probably should just cut out the weekly preview and just go with Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:26:17] Speaker B: I basically am the show.
[01:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean that's fine. But with every edition of Kenny's Cliff Notes comes another edition of Rowdy Jam's matchups that matter.
All right, so I got. I got two matchups for you.
[01:26:37] Speaker B: You do?
[01:26:38] Speaker A: I do.
[01:26:38] Speaker B: I do. Had no idea.
[01:26:39] Speaker A: One time I gave you three.
[01:26:40] Speaker B: That's true. I was really thrown that day.
[01:26:42] Speaker A: I didn't do it again this week.
[01:26:43] Speaker B: Really threw me for a loop.
[01:26:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe I'll do like 41 one time.
[01:26:48] Speaker B: That's more matchups than matter for this team.
[01:26:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:26:51] Speaker B: Wait till the Browns get good.
[01:26:52] Speaker A: That's true. Matchups that matter. This week. Miles Garrett versus the offensive line once again. I carried that over from last week just because I am still all in on Miles Garrett breaking the sack record.
I'm very proud of my bold prediction. Before the season season started I said this was the year he's finally going to do it. And each week it just seems more and more likely. We're at a point where it's like it'll actually be kind of hard for him not to break it at this point.
[01:27:14] Speaker B: I mean I'll be totally honest. I did not expect him to have another four sack again.
[01:27:19] Speaker A: I mean especially so quickly.
[01:27:21] Speaker B: The five set game was like wow. Like that's a kind of once in a generation performance and it was really good and Miles is really good. So like I expect him to maybe have two here and there. Another four set game. Like this dude is otherworldly. Like there's just. There's not even words to describe how good this guy is. And then somehow he's still has haters.
[01:27:37] Speaker A: And this in this. Yeah. John Tinchy, you're idiot.
And so no. And you mentioned the offensive line for the Raiders. Terrible.
[01:27:46] Speaker D: Really.
[01:27:47] Speaker A: And Gino Smith not much better. So should we might see another four or five set game from Miles Garrett.
[01:27:53] Speaker B: You have a ten sack game.
[01:27:55] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:27:56] Speaker E: Yes.
[01:27:57] Speaker B: What is the record against six?
[01:27:59] Speaker A: Seven. There's two tied for seven.
[01:28:01] Speaker B: Miles might break that seven.
[01:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:28:04] Speaker B: Miles and seven sacks on Sunday.
[01:28:06] Speaker A: That'd be weird.
[01:28:07] Speaker B: He's so stupid.
[01:28:08] Speaker A: Yeah. If he had seven he would be half sack short of the record and.
[01:28:13] Speaker D: We still would lose the game.
[01:28:14] Speaker A: Yeah, we probably would.
And then my next one. Ashton Genti versus Carson Schwezinger.
I know you said Ashton Genti has been Underwhelming, which is true.
But he is a big name rookie. I mean everybody knows who he is. Still rookie on rookie action. Yeah, that's basically where I was going with this is Carson Schwezinger is probably going to be up for every defensive rookie of the year award at the end of the year and I just want to see how they match up. I think, I think Carson's the better, better player. So I like where we're at with.
[01:28:45] Speaker B: This one, but I mean frankly, Carson should be almost every year that he's having like, should be at least in the conversation. Maybe not top three, but like top five, 10 guys like Carson should at least be in that conversation.
[01:28:55] Speaker A: He's having a really good season. I mean, I mean we talked about it on our live show is he's as a rookie, he's not like he might get an all Pro. Like he's a legitimate all pro as a rookie.
[01:29:06] Speaker B: Really, really good.
[01:29:07] Speaker A: And it's phenomenal. But.
So those are my two matchups. In summary, the Raiders, they're coming off a Monday night matchup with the Cowboys, which they're getting humped at this point. We record on Mondays. They're losing 24 to nine at halftime. So I'll just say they, they're coming off a Monday night loss to the Cowboys and so they're going to be coming into this one with a two and eight record that matches the Browns. Their defense is number 15 overall in the NFL, number 16 against the pass, number 14 against the run.
Their offense is number 30 overall in the NFL, number 29 in the with their rushing game and number 27 with their passing game. And the Browns on the other side of this also 2 and 8 coming off a loss to the Ravens. Defensively, the Browns are number two overall in the end NFL number 10 against the rush, number two against the pass and offensively still just ass 31 overall. That might actually be 32. Cause these don't update before we run our show. That might actually be 32.
[01:30:03] Speaker B: Another hundred yard passing performance by this offense.
[01:30:05] Speaker A: Yeah, if nothing else, the passing game which was ranked 29 is probably going down and then they're ranked 26 in the rushing game.
The Browns are still awful though. Like this is my problem. Kevin Stefanski is two the coach, Bubba Ventrone is still the special teams coordinator. Dylan Gabriel is still our QB if he's healthy.
I said it last week. You could tell me nothing else about this team. If you told me those three things.
[01:30:29] Speaker B: We'Re losing every game, that would be enough.
[01:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that would be enough. But there is always, or at least in theory, there is always a way to win. And so let's bring in the big Bone man, because it's time for Bone man Skeleton key to victory three.
What do you got for us, Bone?
[01:30:51] Speaker D: All right, it's real simple.
I don't know if it's going to happen, but I want to see more Shador. We're only. We're only winning this game if Shador is our quarterback.
If Dylan Gabriel is out there again, it's just going to be Dink and Duncan most boring offensive football ever. And our defense destroys the Raiders offense, yet we still lose.
So if Shador is out there, I think we're going to have some big playability and hopefully get a pass over 20 yards.
[01:31:19] Speaker A: So Shador Sanders starting the game, that's your key to victory?
[01:31:22] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:31:24] Speaker A: All right. Easy betting info.
[01:31:26] Speaker B: Kenny, I have the betting info. Do you want it?
[01:31:29] Speaker A: Are we underdogs?
[01:31:34] Speaker B: We are.
[01:31:37] Speaker A: By how much line?
[01:31:39] Speaker B: Minus three and a half. Half over. Under 37 and a half.
[01:31:42] Speaker A: That's embarrassing. You got two, two and eight teams playing each other and they gave them three and a half.
[01:31:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you.
[01:31:49] Speaker A: What was the over?
[01:31:49] Speaker B: Under 37 and a half.
[01:31:52] Speaker A: That seems high. But go.
[01:31:53] Speaker B: What's under 20 points a team? Yeah, I mean, you would look at it and say Geno Smith is really bad on paper, but Dylan Gabriel's worse. So Gino is ranked 31 in QBR. Dylan is ranked 32. Wow.
[01:32:09] Speaker A: Yep.
So players to watch this week.
We'll start with Kenny. We went with you first on your dog of the week nominee. We'll go with you first on your player to watch, too.
[01:32:19] Speaker B: Well, I've been on Shador watch for several weeks.
[01:32:21] Speaker A: You staying on the train?
[01:32:22] Speaker B: I'm going Shador. I agree with Bones. Skeleton key to victory. This team has one shot to win this game, and Shador is the one card that you can play that is unlike anything you've done all year that gives you any sort of. Of hope for something different on offense. If Dylan plays, we'll get the same thing we've seen for the last five weeks, which is just an ineffective, anemic offense.
I don't know whether Shador is going to be really good or not, but I know that he at least offers the possibility of offense.
So I'll go Shador Sanders and you know, hope. I don't want to hope Dylan Gabriel stays injured, you know, and hope that.
[01:33:02] Speaker A: Someone'S injured, but it's just poor phrasing.
[01:33:04] Speaker B: We we hope that the circumstances kind of at least force Kevin's hand this week to at least give Shador a chance with a proper week of practice and even that. Like, I think everybody's kind of like, oh, I'd like to see what Shador will do with one week of practice. Guys, keep in mind it's one week of practice.
[01:33:21] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:33:22] Speaker B: So it's not. That's not. It's more than he's had all year, but it's not like it's going to make a night and day difference. So I'm just hoping for some improvement there.
[01:33:30] Speaker A: That's. But also tell you to keep in mind that it's Kevin Stefanski's offense.
[01:33:35] Speaker B: True. So all those things are fair.
[01:33:37] Speaker A: My player to watch is Miles Garrett. Not that that's exciting or like, I mean, it's not the exciting pick. Like, everybody knows you watch Miles Garrett. He's the only thing to watch on this team, basically, so. But he's my player to watch because again, I'm just all in on this. It's time for the sack record. I'm ready for it, though. I think he breaks the single game sack record this, this week. I'm going to go eight sacks. Eight sacks this week.
[01:33:57] Speaker B: Is that more embarrassing than anything else if Miles wins defensive player of the year and has 30 sacks on season and we are the worst team in the league.
[01:34:05] Speaker A: Yes. Because I guarantee you everybody else that's, that's like number one, two, three, whatever it is on the sack record list. Their teams were really good. Yeah. The Browns aren't right. Bone, who's your player to watch?
[01:34:17] Speaker D: I want to go defense as well. I'm gonna. We've already talked about Carson swishings are.
[01:34:22] Speaker A: I think it's like the fourth week in a row that bones Carson swishing.
[01:34:25] Speaker D: Are you sure? I don't think so.
[01:34:27] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:34:27] Speaker D: No, I do like them a lot and I, I love watching linebackers. You have a thing and.
Yeah, I, I think they're going to be putting the rock in, in Ashton's hand a lot. And he's gonna have to make a lot of tackles.
[01:34:40] Speaker A: Bone, did you hear Carson's quote? They asked him how he prepares for the Ravens, like, like, you know, big time players and things like that. And he, he came out and he said, I, I don't, I don't prepare for names. I prepare for numbers. So.
[01:34:55] Speaker D: Nice.
[01:34:56] Speaker B: Just a football answer. Yeah.
[01:34:58] Speaker A: And he, as he's explaining it, he looks, literally was referring to him as like, like by their numbers. Like it's just number nine. Number 22. Yeah. 8:22. Whatever it was. He was. That's what he was talking about.
[01:35:09] Speaker B: Cool.
[01:35:09] Speaker D: I like it.
[01:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Just football guy.
Let's see here.
Is it time? No, it's not time yet.
I thought we were ready for King of the north, but we're not. Before we get into King of the north, we're going to get into. Can we talk about this?
[01:35:24] Speaker B: Nice.
[01:35:32] Speaker A: All right. We use this segment when one of us has something that they feel needs to be talked about or explored further.
Hashtag explore Shador Kenny.
[01:35:41] Speaker B: Hashtag explorer.
[01:35:42] Speaker A: Shador Kenny. This has just been your segment lately, so we're gonna keep it rolling that way. What do you, what do you have for us this week?
[01:35:47] Speaker B: So this week I got pulled into Rabbit Hole on the Interwebs.
[01:35:53] Speaker A: Happens a lot.
[01:35:54] Speaker B: Happens a lot. I spent a lot of time there and it brought up an interesting, interesting debate of sorts that I just was, I thought we should explore Shador. We should explore on our show because I'm really curious to get your guys's opinion on this. But essentially there's a debate about.
[01:36:18] Speaker A: Should.
[01:36:18] Speaker B: You explicitly have details spelled out to you, or is there an inherent assumption in civilized society that you should internally anticipate the needs of others before your own?
And does not anticipating those needs make you a garbage human?
Or should expectations be more clearly laid out in this world that's full of T's and C's, Right?
You can't go to a website now without having to accept terms and conditions. Hell, Pat McAfee has a disclaimer in front of his show that says, careful guys, there might be cussing.
So things like if a restaurant closes at 10pm and you show up at 9:50 and expect to be seated, should that restaurant post, hey, we seat our last table at 9:30?
Or is it fair to walk into a restaurant 10 minutes before close because they're open until 10 and they should still serve you Things like tipping a delivery driver, right? Should you, if you have furniture dropped off at your house, should you give the guy five or ten bucks because he came into your house and assembled furniture?
Just those types of things. Getting up for a pregnant woman on the subway that's not explicitly spelled out anywhere, but like, should you do those things? And so should that expectation be like, should they print, hey, there's a delivery charge of $10 on the bill. Should a restaurant put explicit hours for we see our last table at.
Where do you guys fall on this?
[01:37:48] Speaker A: You want to start? You want me to start on this you can start. I've. I've got a couple things. So first I want to say you brought up a couple different things in the, in the. With your scenarios. Tip culture is a whole separate topic that we could talk because that's like a, like, like a thing. I'm all for tipping, first of all. We'll start there.
This whole 30% and above, like, that's getting.
[01:38:12] Speaker B: I don't know where the 30 number came from. I was always raised on 20.
[01:38:16] Speaker A: Right, well, that's what I'm saying.
[01:38:18] Speaker D: Like, good tip.
[01:38:18] Speaker A: That's. That's.
[01:38:19] Speaker B: Yeah, like 20 was like you.
[01:38:21] Speaker A: I had great service, and that was my point. Tip. We could go down a whole rabbit hole with tip culture nowadays. And like, what they. What people expect you to tip and things like, there's all these things on the Internet. They're saying 30% should be like, the minimum. I'm like, you're wild. But we won't go there just yet.
The other one that you mentioned in that, like, whole specific scenarios was seating before. If you show up at a restaurant 10 minutes before they close and you want seated, you're an asshole.
[01:38:49] Speaker B: Like, are you, though?
[01:38:50] Speaker A: Yeah, you are. You are.
[01:38:52] Speaker B: If the restaurant's open, the restaurant's open.
[01:38:54] Speaker A: You're an asshole.
[01:38:56] Speaker D: I kind of fall line with that as well, depending on the type of restaurant, I guess. Like, do they already have this item made for you? Are they like reopening fryers or whatever the hell it is?
[01:39:05] Speaker A: I legitimately will not like. And this even goes to fast food, which is probably on the end of the spectrum that you're saying. They should probably be fine with it. So all their stuff is like, kind of ready to go. But I will look and I'll say, oh, you guys closed 11. It's. It's 1050. I'm probably not going to. I'll just go to a different one that's open till 12.
[01:39:23] Speaker B: Let me ask you, you this.
If you were a business owner of a restaurant and a 10 top came in 10 minutes to close, it was going to spend 1500 bucks. Do you want that table or no? Would you do or do you care more about the welfare of your employees that have to stay and work late?
[01:39:38] Speaker A: As somebody who has multiple people in the restaurant industry in their family, they would say they want the welfare of their employees. They would say they want that. They don't want that 10 top.
They really would. They would say that that's ridiculous that a 10 top would come in 10 minutes for you.
[01:39:54] Speaker D: I think it should be Posted. Our kitchen closes at 9:30 if we're closed at.
[01:39:57] Speaker A: And a lot of places do that.
[01:39:59] Speaker B: Well, that's the question. Right. So it's not posted.
Is making the inherent assumption that if we're open, we're open.
[01:40:06] Speaker A: So here's what I'll tell you is.
[01:40:07] Speaker B: That you could post it.
[01:40:08] Speaker A: They would.
Unless it was explicitly posted, I would say that the restaurant is still expected to take them.
However, you asked me what they would want to happen and they would say I don't need that business. Because you forget too, that they also got to pay them extra time that they're having to stay up over their actual shift to clean everything up after the fact.
So the hours become longer. They're all hourly employees. So the hours become longer. They're paying more. It's not worth it.
And the employee, the number one is the welfare of their employees.
Employees have to stay an hour after because a 10 top or longer because it's a fucking 10 top came in 10 minutes to close then.
[01:40:46] Speaker B: But again I would say then if that's truly important to you as a business owner, then maybe you should sign. We see their last table at 9 or 9:30 or kitchen stops taking orders at 9:30.
So that if you look them up online or call, they can say, hey, you know, I know we're open till 10, but we stopped taking orders at 9:30. So you wouldn't even show up to the restaurant.
[01:41:06] Speaker A: I mean, I see the argument. I'm just saying like, especially to me as a, as, as a person, I would never bring a ten top somewhere with ten minutes to close.
[01:41:13] Speaker B: Also think about other scenarios. Right, right. Like locally you probably know restaurants and when they close, imagine you're out of town, you're on vacation, you got hungry kids, you've been traveling all day. You're trying to find some place that's open. And a lot of places are closed. You find a place that's open till 10, it's quarter two.
What are you gonna do, not feed your kids?
[01:41:29] Speaker A: I'd probably, at that point I would probably go fast food.
Just like, sorry guys, you don't eat great tonight. You.
[01:41:35] Speaker B: Is it fair to go to a fast food restaurant 15 minutes before close?
[01:41:39] Speaker A: Typically no. But this is where it gets kind of gray area for, for like to bones point is you get into the point where like your scenario that laid out and these are all crazy specific weird scenarios. But like in that scenario, like yeah, I would probably go to a fast food place 15 minutes before they close because I'm like, I need Something so.
[01:41:56] Speaker B: You land on your garbage human unless you internally anticipate the needs of others.
[01:42:02] Speaker A: In most cases it's not a black and white. It's. There are exceptions, but yes. I mean for the most part you should anticipate some of the needs of others of.
Yeah.
[01:42:13] Speaker B: Who writes those rules and where do you find them?
[01:42:16] Speaker D: I think it's just life experience, I guess. I don't know.
[01:42:19] Speaker B: Just in. If you're gonna be in society, you have to abide by the unwritten rules of it.
[01:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean I just think, I think it's exactly what he just said is, is it's life experience. I mean you've worked in a restaurant, Bone, have you worked in a restaurant?
Fast food food even.
[01:42:39] Speaker D: It was like a country club.
[01:42:41] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:42:42] Speaker D: There was a. Yeah, I guess there was a restaurant. So there's people.
Yeah.
[01:42:45] Speaker A: And everybody that's ever worked in a restaurant, a guy comes in five minutes close. You're like, you son of a. You.
[01:42:52] Speaker D: Oh yeah, yeah. That was definitely an experience.
[01:42:54] Speaker A: Exactly.
[01:42:55] Speaker B: Is that truly your problem though? I mean if you signed up for a job, I mean I, I work at a job now where like I have to stay late sometimes.
Just whatever the case cases mean. I, I admitted at will. Employee I volunteered for. No one made me work at that restaurant knowing that people could come in late at night and I might have to stay long.
[01:43:13] Speaker A: I'm not arguing that point. I agree with you. I'm just saying, like I, I don't know, me personally, I like to, I would consider, I would say, does this 16 year old kid at a fast food place or even at a restaurant want to stay after an hour and a half because I decided to bring my Entire family in 10 months before they close.
[01:43:31] Speaker D: Say it's two people though. And now you're keeping a server, you know, keeping a dishwasher, keeping a couple cooks.
[01:43:36] Speaker A: Right. You know that it's bad in both scenarios. That's what I'm saying. That's why when I went back to my. The restaurant owner would probably say, we don't need that right now. So where do you fall, Bone?
[01:43:48] Speaker D: I'm more, I, I kind of more follow. You don't go to the restaurant right before they close.
[01:43:52] Speaker A: Right.
Sounds like you're on the opposite end. You're like, I'm going. I'm just like, I'm going. I'm sitting down. I'm ordering a steak and lobster dinner. It's time, time.
[01:44:02] Speaker B: I'm just asking questions. I mean you gotta also think about today's world, the world that we live in. You have to put. Oh, people are stickers on radios that say don't throw this in the bathtub. You have to put hot on a coffee cup.
[01:44:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it was a.
[01:44:15] Speaker B: Is it, is it a lot to expect people to now anticipate the needs of others?
[01:44:20] Speaker D: I am in favor of posting the. The kitchen closed at this time, which some places do.
But I think you're. I think it is a lot to expect people because I think human nature is to not do that. Well.
[01:44:32] Speaker B: Right.
[01:44:32] Speaker D: Because you're thinking so about yourself or about your immediate family only.
[01:44:36] Speaker B: Right.
[01:44:37] Speaker D: And their well being.
[01:44:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I just watched a. To your point about the stickers and everything on everything, I think is, is it Jimmy Carr, the comedian.
[01:44:46] Speaker B: I love Jimmy Carr.
[01:44:47] Speaker A: They, I just watched one today and they said, what would you do if you became king of the world tomorrow?
[01:44:53] Speaker B: And he said, remove all the warning stickers.
[01:44:55] Speaker A: Yeah, he said, he said, he said, well, health and safety, that's a big one. I'd get rid of all it.
[01:45:05] Speaker B: Let it take care of itself.
[01:45:06] Speaker A: That's basically. He said, take all those warning labels. Take them off. He said the worst part about warning labels is somebody did that and that's why there's a warning label.
[01:45:16] Speaker B: I just thought it was an interesting conversation because I think there are unwritten rules in society too that other people just simply don't know about.
[01:45:23] Speaker A: I'll go to your other one too. You said get up first. A pregnant lady on a subway. If you're making the pregnant lady stand on the subway, you're an.
[01:45:31] Speaker B: Fair. But I think those are like, that's a more common scenario that people probably have run into before. Or like you've seen it on a TV show. Like we had furniture delivered one time or something dropped off at the house, an appliance or something. And I suggested, like to my wife, like, hey, grab, you know, whatever, whatever. I had cash in my wallet, grab five, ten bucks and give it. She was like, what? Why'd you tip? Like, she had never even considered tipping for somebody delivering furniture before.
[01:45:55] Speaker A: So like I'm actually on your wife's side for that one.
[01:45:57] Speaker B: May not even know I'm actually on.
[01:45:59] Speaker A: Your wife's side for that one.
Because a lot of those, those services, like specifically a delivery service for, for. I'm not saying you shouldn't. Like, you can't. It's wrong to tip them. I'm just saying, like me personally, I typically don't because a lot of those things are built into the delivery charge. Like it's they're paying their employees an hourly wage. It's not like. It's not like. Like, typical tipped employees where they're getting paid, like, $4 an hour. Like, you think of the restaurant industry. And then they get tips. It's. They're getting paid an actual, like, whatever the wage is. Sure.
[01:46:31] Speaker B: And that's fair. I still look at it, though. Like, there's a human doing a service for me.
[01:46:36] Speaker A: Fair. Yeah. Where.
[01:46:38] Speaker B: Where I get caught up on that stuff. Like, if I go to get, like, a pedicure even is like, what's the. What's the expected.
[01:46:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:46:45] Speaker B: Tip. Like, is it fair to throw a guy 2 bucks who came into your house and put together a recliner?
[01:46:50] Speaker E: Or.
[01:46:50] Speaker A: No, it's almost like an insult.
[01:46:52] Speaker B: Or should you give him, like, 10? Or am I supposed to give him some percentage of the purchase? Like, it was a $400 share? He gets 40 bucks. Like, what's the.
[01:47:00] Speaker A: And that's kind of where, like, the accepted delivery service specifically kind of gets iffy for me, because it's like, what. Like, what is acceptable? Because it's. They are. They have an actual wage. Like, it's built into the delivery. Charge. Charge. So then what's. What's. Disrespectful versus, like, adequate?
[01:47:17] Speaker B: I just think, like, if it's. If it's somebody that's delivering something out of the ordinary, like, that's kind of like. You don't tip the mailman. I guess some people do. I guess for Christmas, they leave, like, 2200 bucks in the mailbox. But, like, stuff like from Amazon or from the mail, I wouldn't ever consider tipping. But if you're having a refrigerator dropped off, that's 800 pounds that two people are carrying into your house and unboxing and getting rid of all the cardboard.
[01:47:40] Speaker A: And I already paid a few hundred extra dollars for the delivery, so.
[01:47:45] Speaker B: I guess so.
[01:47:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:47:47] Speaker B: Well, anyway, you guys are boring. I thought it was interesting.
[01:47:51] Speaker A: I thought we had a pretty good discussion. There's some. There's a few different points, but I guess you didn't like it. So you.
[01:47:56] Speaker B: Let's get gassed up.
[01:47:58] Speaker A: Yeah, with that, it's time to get gassed up.
Guys, I'm excited about this because Bone has something for us today, and he let us know before we started. He said he is passionate about this.
[01:48:12] Speaker B: Hopefully it's not tipping delivery drivers. No, Bone, what do you.
[01:48:16] Speaker A: What do you got?
[01:48:16] Speaker D: Well, it deals with food and an upcoming holiday.
[01:48:19] Speaker A: Thanksgiving.
[01:48:20] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:48:20] Speaker E: In.
[01:48:20] Speaker D: In future holidays as well.
I feel like there's this Unwritten rule in our society that holiday meals that you have get together with the family start at odd times.
Like you eat at 2 or you eat at 3.
[01:48:36] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:48:36] Speaker D: And I hate it. I absolutely hate it.
Yes. I like my breakfast, whatever in the morning. I eat lunch at 12 or 11 and I want my dinner at 5 to 6.
And every Thanksgiving is we go there at 2 and eat at like 2:33. And I'm just like, it's not lunch, it's not dinner. And now my.
[01:48:58] Speaker A: What the is this meal?
[01:49:00] Speaker D: I get hungry when I get, get home at like 7 or whatever it is.
[01:49:03] Speaker A: It makes you eat like 1400 more calories than you're supposed to.
[01:49:06] Speaker D: I'm just so annoyed by. And I actually, I googled it and there's a, there's a whole article by Martha Stewart this year about how two o' clock is the prime time to have Thanksgiving lunch or dinner, whatever you want to call it. And I, I reject that wholeheartedly.
[01:49:20] Speaker B: I reject that.
[01:49:21] Speaker A: I mean, I'm gonna agree with you because. And I hope my family's not listening because we.
Two o', clock, everybody, every, every Thanksgiving, that is what time our Thanksgiving dinner is. And it drives me nuts. I'm like, why is this in the middle of the day? Why can't we have this at a normal time?
[01:49:35] Speaker B: I've never understood that either.
[01:49:37] Speaker A: It's not, you're right, it's, it's not just Thanksgiving, it's Christmas, it's everything.
[01:49:41] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:49:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, we've even like sometimes birthdays, like if you're getting the family together, like you just randomly have dinner at 3 o'. Clock.
[01:49:48] Speaker D: Why is that acceptable?
[01:49:50] Speaker A: Why.
[01:49:50] Speaker B: Does anyone know why that's even a tradition? Like, what is, what is the actual, actual.
[01:49:55] Speaker D: Some of the reason why some of the points made by Martha Stewart was she's still alive. It was like she said she gave like the football thing. She's like, oh, you can eat and then you can watch football. I'm like, well, the game starts at one, the first game this year, like every year.
[01:50:09] Speaker A: And one would be far more acceptable. Acceptable time for lunch.
[01:50:12] Speaker D: So there's football all day.
Another point was, well then you can just have a big meal and then you can hang out, have a few cocktails and eat dessert later. Like, I don't want dessert for dinner. You know, I'll eat dessert after my first meal and I'll have dinner later.
[01:50:25] Speaker A: Right? Who the waits hours for dessert? Like, I'm, I'm eating my, I'm eating my entire Thanksgiving meal. Including pumpkin pie, pumpkin rolls and every other pumpkin thing on the world all at the same goddamn time.
[01:50:40] Speaker B: Pumpkins.
[01:50:40] Speaker D: Another, another thing I read about past practice was which nobody in our society or culture does this anymore. Is a, an older time thing was a big midday meal that was kind of like your meal for the day. Which that's not. We don't, we don't do that.
[01:50:57] Speaker A: So we haven't done that since 1736.
[01:51:00] Speaker D: Exactly.
[01:51:01] Speaker B: How much time do you really need to spend on these holidays? I mean when there's. I get that there's like 15 people there maybe. So you're trying to like split time up to socialize with different people you don't see all the time, but like how many hours do you really need? If you had dinner at 5:30 or 6:00 clock and you stayed there till 10, like, is that not enough time? Time to. I think that's visit with family and go home at a decent time.
[01:51:23] Speaker D: I can eat lunch and then go have dinner at. At the family's house.
[01:51:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I just thought about this and the. My, my only.
Which I don't know why I'm coming up with arguments for it.
[01:51:32] Speaker B: I hate it.
[01:51:32] Speaker A: But my only argument for having it at two being a good thing is like if you have really young children, which you and I both do, is like they have early bedtime. So it's like, I guess that's. You can get them home and get them to bed and whatever.
[01:51:45] Speaker D: Have it at 12, have it at real lunch.
[01:51:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I agree with that. Yeah. I would.
[01:51:49] Speaker D: I'm kind of for either one. Have it at 12 or, or 1. Or at least eat at. By 1.
[01:51:53] Speaker B: Sure.
[01:51:53] Speaker D: Or have it at a regular dinner time. Yeah.
[01:51:55] Speaker A: One or the other two, 233 is like asinine.
[01:51:58] Speaker B: Well, here's the other thing too. If you had it at a normal time, if you had it at noon and dinner, it would make it easier for those that once all of us get married and you have two families and you're trying to go to two houses, but if both people are having dinner at the 3 o'. Clock, if you had one family at noon and another at 5, that actually would be super convenient.
[01:52:16] Speaker A: Both families battling over 2pm Right.
[01:52:18] Speaker B: And then it's like, okay, we can't go to grandma's this year, but we got to go to this family.
[01:52:22] Speaker A: I didn't think I'd get this gassed up about this, but I'm pissed. Like, why is. Why are all holiday meals.
[01:52:27] Speaker B: We all agree with each other, but we're all super pissed about it.
[01:52:30] Speaker D: Yeah, well, I was telling you guys.
[01:52:31] Speaker A: Who'S making these rules man said, you.
[01:52:34] Speaker D: Know, before the show I was having dinner with the wife and kids and I was bringing this up and I was like, why can't we have Thanksgiving at noon this year? Like why is it always at 2? And I was complaining about it and, and I was like, I'm going to start a campaign that to, to make that to make Thanksgiving lunch again. And I was like, make Thanksgiving lunch again. I'm going to hold this sign up and just start going off on it. And she's like, yeah, yeah, my wife told me.
[01:53:00] Speaker E: What is that?
[01:53:01] Speaker A: Make Thanksgiving lunch again.
[01:53:02] Speaker D: Yeah, my wife told me.
[01:53:04] Speaker A: New T shirt idea.
[01:53:05] Speaker D: Bring it up tonight on Gassed Up. So, so there it was.
[01:53:08] Speaker B: That's a, that's a fair guessed up. That is really dumb.
[01:53:11] Speaker A: It is, it is.
[01:53:12] Speaker B: I, it has always baffled me as.
[01:53:13] Speaker A: To why then you get into like Christmas and, and Christmas is like you do Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, if both those meals are at 2 o', clock, it's the worst. It's just the worst two day stretch of all time.
[01:53:23] Speaker B: All it does is throw off everyone's circadian rhythm.
[01:53:25] Speaker A: Right?
[01:53:26] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:53:27] Speaker A: What to.
[01:53:28] Speaker B: Ah, yeah, that's true. That is really stupid.
[01:53:32] Speaker A: This is something that's been pissing me off for years that I didn't realize was pissing me off as much as it's pissing me off.
[01:53:36] Speaker B: Well, what's even worse too about that is because dinner is usually at 2 or 3 but you kind of all get together still around lunchtime, you end up eating like appetizers and hors d'. Oeuvres. And then when you get to the Thanksgiving meal, you're not even that hungry because you had a bunch of cheese and crackers.
[01:53:51] Speaker A: Well, and if you have it at noon and say it's an all day thing or even one like that's even better because it's at noon or one. You put the food away and they're like, hey everybody, let's have our leftovers right now.
Let's go again.
Yeah, yeah.
[01:54:05] Speaker D: Cold turkey sandwiches or however you want to make it later on.
[01:54:07] Speaker A: You know, it's funny, I'm thinking back to just the past like 10 plus years that I've been with my wife and trying to navigate Thanksgiving specifically. And I can vividly remember at least five to seven of those years saying Thanksgiving's at two again. This is stupid.
[01:54:24] Speaker B: The only thing I could think about. Yeah, the only thing I would think about is like it's almost. Is there like a daylight savings time component of this? Where back in the olden days when you had to get in the covered wagon and horse drawn carriage, like you had to get home before nightfall, travel and like. So I guess maybe it would make sense 200 or 300 years ago to have a meal at 1pm I think.
[01:54:43] Speaker A: Something before like training a true civilization, like it was important to be indoors before it gets dark.
[01:54:49] Speaker B: A bear could eat you.
[01:54:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:54:51] Speaker D: I think one of the key arguments against this would be whoever is hosting, say they are cooking the turkey and making four or five side dishes, giving them enough time to prepare all that food before everybody comes.
[01:55:04] Speaker B: But then just have it at 5 or 6 o'.
[01:55:05] Speaker D: Clock.
Exactly. Exactly.
If you're not getting up early enough to handle that and you're ticking too much on your plate or maybe you have to because nobody else is bringing anything, do it later in the day.
[01:55:14] Speaker A: If you ain't up for it. Don't host Thanksgiving.
[01:55:16] Speaker B: Don't host Thanksgiving. Yeah, yeah.
[01:55:18] Speaker A: My wife and I hosted Thanksgiving once. It was the worst thing that ever happened. So we don't do it anymore.
[01:55:23] Speaker B: It is terrible. We hosted one year too for both of our families and it's a whole.
[01:55:27] Speaker A: Separate gas stuff we're getting into.
[01:55:29] Speaker B: It was so much work. By the time we had plated all the food, I had the worst migraine I'd ever had in my life and I just had to go to bed. So like two o', clock, I just was like, I'm sorry, two o'. Clock.
[01:55:40] Speaker A: Dinner was like.
[01:55:42] Speaker B: I was like, I literally am going.
[01:55:43] Speaker A: This is the worst time for dinner. I'm just going to go to bed.
[01:55:45] Speaker B: I'm going to throw up because my head hurts so bad. I just. I literally missed Thanksgiving because it was so stressful. Dang.
[01:55:50] Speaker A: Bone brought us the best guest up in a while.
[01:55:52] Speaker D: Yeah, it's been pissing me off.
[01:55:53] Speaker B: Thanksgiving Day tree.
[01:55:54] Speaker A: I like this one.
[01:55:55] Speaker B: Well done, Bone.
[01:55:56] Speaker A: Well done. Well done with that. Now it is time for King of the North.
All right Kenny, you ready?
[01:56:17] Speaker B: Great.
[01:56:18] Speaker A: Yep. In case anyone doesn't know by now, this is our year long AFC north pickup competition at the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished.
At the end of or. I'm sorry. In the preseason two years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans. The muni lot. Before a game in the preseason last year, Kenny had his hair and beard shaved clean off. Donated it though. That was. That's good.
[01:56:37] Speaker B: I'm a charitable fella.
[01:56:38] Speaker A: Yeah, Something like That a few weeks ago for losing this past season, Kenny donned the pads for the first time in almost 20 years and got hit three times by our guy, big John Hughes.
Kenny, you recovered.
[01:56:53] Speaker B: Mostly. Mostly just your pride. Mostly. My pride is first. Yeah. My ego is gone. I don't have one anymore. John stole it.
[01:57:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And this year. This year, the loser will be getting a Brazilian wax. So, Kenny, I know you're excited about that. You've been needing one of those for years.
[01:57:10] Speaker B: You would know.
[01:57:12] Speaker A: I'm not even gonna touch that since.
[01:57:15] Speaker B: You have touched it.
[01:57:17] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. Let's go ahead and get into things.
This just gets deeper and deeper.
[01:57:23] Speaker B: That's what she said.
[01:57:25] Speaker D: First.
[01:57:25] Speaker A: First things first. I want to remind everyone that Bone is the reigning defending king of the North.
Kenny, as always, you're a clown.
[01:57:32] Speaker B: Thank you.
[01:57:33] Speaker A: And let's remind everyone of the current records after week. Was it week 11, bone, you're at 21 and 13. I'm at 20 and 14. John's at 19 and 15, and Kenny is nowhere near anyone at 15 and 19.
Feels bad. So let's go ahead and get into this week's games.
First one, Ravens host the Jets.
We'll lob this one up to you, Kenny.
[01:57:58] Speaker B: Who do you.
[01:57:58] Speaker A: Who do you got here?
[01:57:59] Speaker B: Going four. No. This week, starting with this game one. And oh, Ravens will win this game. The jets are super trash.
They've already made a quarterback change.
Dropping Justin Fields, going to Rod Taylor.
This Ravens team is on a mission right now. They started slow, guys are getting healthy.
They didn't play super well against the Browns, but the jets are super trash, so I'll go Ravens.
[01:58:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I got the Ravens too. End of story. All right. And Bone, who you got?
[01:58:30] Speaker D: Baltimore.
[01:58:31] Speaker A: All right.
[01:58:32] Speaker D: No doubt about it.
[01:58:34] Speaker A: Next up, we got Cincinnati hosting the Patriots.
I'm going the Patriots in this one.
Cincinnati is not good. Like, they're really bad. They're as bad as the Browns, but they're a little better than the Browns. Cause they beat the Browns, so Cincinnati is not going to win. Joe Flacco looking quite old.
Still looking quite old.
[01:58:58] Speaker B: He is old. Yeah.
[01:59:00] Speaker A: I mean, yeah. So I. I got the Patriots. They're playing good football. Mike Vrabel.
Wish the Browns had him as a head coach, but we let him leave.
[01:59:07] Speaker B: If only there was a guy like that that we could have had as our.
[01:59:10] Speaker A: That was in the building. And we. And we let him get away.
[01:59:12] Speaker B: Let him get away.
[01:59:14] Speaker A: All right. And Bone, who you got in this one?
[01:59:16] Speaker D: I'm also going Patriots. They're Just better team.
[01:59:20] Speaker A: Fair. Okay. Yeah.
Is it time? Are you going Bengals this one? Hell, yes.
[01:59:27] Speaker B: I can't. The Bengals are in Kentucky and they suck.
And.
[01:59:30] Speaker A: And I didn't even mention that.
[01:59:32] Speaker B: And every. And every week, Drake May makes me more and more a believer, and Mike Vrabel is the bee's knees. So I'll go Patriots.
[01:59:43] Speaker A: All right. And next up, Patriot or Patriots? Pittsburgh travels to Chicago. All right.
[01:59:49] Speaker B: And bone.
[01:59:50] Speaker D: Gosh darn it, Pittsburgh in Chicago.
I feel like Pittsburgh has to win, but I don't. I don't think they're going to win. I'm going to go Chicago.
[02:00:02] Speaker A: Oh, he's going Chicago on this one.
Kenny, who you got?
[02:00:07] Speaker B: This is a tough game to pick.
The Steelers are hot and cold.
They're leading the division.
We're not sure whether Aaron Rodgers is going to play or not.
I'm not a huge believer in this Bears team, but they are seven and three. I'm not a huge believer in Caleb Williams.
Give me the. Give me the Bears.
Mostly because I hate Pittsburgh.
[02:00:34] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, this is. These are all valid points.
I'm not a believer in either of these teams. I think they're both. Not.
[02:00:40] Speaker B: Can they both lose?
[02:00:41] Speaker A: Right. Like, that's kind of where I'm at in. In. I mean, John summed it up a few weeks ago when he said, you got a 50. 50 game. You typically take the home thing team. So unfortunately, I'm rolling with you guys. I'm. I'm going to have to take Chicago in this. And plus, it's just always nice when Pittsburgh loses. So that's what I'm hoping happens.
I'm going to go Chicago.
And then finally, we've got the Browns traveling to Las Vegas.
Bone, who you got.
[02:01:12] Speaker D: Man?
[02:01:14] Speaker A: Boring segment so far.
[02:01:15] Speaker D: They Vegas.
It's hard to pick in the. Yeah, like, the first two games were pretty simple.
Both bad.
Our defense is really good.
[02:01:26] Speaker A: Defense is good. Their offense is not good.
[02:01:28] Speaker D: Their offense. Yeah, it's terrible.
I guess I'll go Browns.
[02:01:32] Speaker A: I like that for you.
[02:01:33] Speaker B: I'm going Browns.
[02:01:34] Speaker A: I like that for you.
And score.
[02:01:41] Speaker D: 20, 21, 19.
[02:01:45] Speaker A: All right, Kenny, who you got?
[02:01:50] Speaker B: The Browns don't like to travel out west.
[02:01:52] Speaker A: They don't.
[02:01:55] Speaker B: But this is a new Browns team led by Shador Sanders. It's going to be an offensive explosion. Let's go.
31, 10 Browns.
[02:02:09] Speaker A: Wait, what did you say? 31 to 10.
[02:02:16] Speaker B: That's what I'm going with.
Shador comes out and shows everyone last week was an anomaly.
He's here to play legendary Am I.
[02:02:28] Speaker A: The only one that's hearing this correctly, that kenny's just going 31 to 10?
[02:02:33] Speaker B: All right.
[02:02:36] Speaker A: Guys, the Browns don't travel out west very well.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I. I'm look. Trying to look up the stat. I'm trying to scramble. Look up the stat right now, and I haven't been able to find it. But they. I'm pretty sure they haven't won out west since like 2013.
[02:02:51] Speaker D: So you're saying there's a chance.
[02:02:55] Speaker A: But if there was a story that you could write about this year's Browns, like most of the stories are probably boring, but if there was kind of feel good story that you could write and just thing things that just kind of seem to line up. It's Shador Sanders, prime time, going out to Vegas and getting his first start and winning a game.
I've got the Browns in this one, guys.
[02:03:22] Speaker D: Right in itself.
Right in itself.
[02:03:25] Speaker A: I've been trying to.
I've been trying to sway you and make you think I was going the other way and you had a trade, a little 40. Kevin Stefanski, chess here.
[02:03:33] Speaker B: I play my own game.
[02:03:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:03:35] Speaker D: 7Am Tuesday morning. Dylan Gabriel is.
[02:03:40] Speaker B: I will say this. If Dylan Gabriel starts, I don't think they win this game.
[02:03:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's go on record and say that right now. I think we're all of that, but my assumption right now is that Shador Sanders is going to start and he's going to light it up in Las Vegas.
I don't quite have him winning 31 to 10.
I'm gonna go 16 to 13.
[02:04:00] Speaker B: Browns 64 to 5.
[02:04:01] Speaker A: No, no, not at all. All right, so that'll do it for King of the North. Kenny, you literally can't make up ground unlike anybody. Except it's not a good week for you.
So you're. You're basically.
I. I say the rest of the time, bone. Who cares about who wins? King of the North. Let's just conspire together to say we just pick all of the same things that Kenny picks.
[02:04:24] Speaker B: It's not within the spirit of the game.
[02:04:27] Speaker A: No, we're not actually going to do that, but I just. I think it would be funny.
[02:04:30] Speaker B: We're gonna have to go to a blind bid process.
[02:04:32] Speaker D: Kenny, in my defense, I picked first or second on these last two games, and they were there. I didn't know what you guys were gonna do.
[02:04:38] Speaker A: I'm fair about it. I wrote four games and I. Everybody picks first once.
[02:04:42] Speaker B: So one thing you are not as fair.
[02:04:46] Speaker A: Kiss my ass.
[02:04:49] Speaker B: Good comeback.
[02:04:50] Speaker A: I didn't have anything. So with that, let me remind everybody to call the Vertigo sports guys.
Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on a hot take Highline. Remember, we want the hot takes.
[02:04:59] Speaker B: We want hot takes.
[02:05:01] Speaker A: 2302-2780-8133-0222-7808-1330-2278-0813-3278, 081-33-0227, 8081 phone is on the show. Man, I forgot that we had a third man.
Leave those hot takes on that hot.
[02:05:18] Speaker B: Take hotline or we'll kick you out.
[02:05:20] Speaker A: At Jimmy straight in the Jimmy's Kick Jimmy in the jimmies and be sure to check out her gear Kick right in the I think I'm going to make that a T shirt.
I'm going to make that a T shirt. Kick Jimmy in the jimmies and be sure to check out our gear. Www.thetabitmedia.com shop and that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect next week?
[02:05:40] Speaker B: We will be live on Sunday night. Look for us live on YouTube, Facebook, sex I mean X as we we recap the Week 12 matchup against the Raiders. We'll be on right around 9:30 and then next Thursday we'll be back with our week 13 preview for our game against oh the 49ers. We play the 49ers. That sucks.
[02:05:57] Speaker A: That's a loss.
[02:05:57] Speaker B: That's a loss. Another Browns backers interview. Northern California Browns backers and all the other things you listen to bur sportscast for like the same takes over and over and over and over again. Hashtag fire Stefanski, hashtag explorer Shador.
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Keep supporting. We'll continue to grow together, tweak our formula when necessary and keep bringing you the best damn Cleveland Browns pod in the land. You know what it takes us to Kenny backs for this.
What do you got for us Kenny?
[02:07:05] Speaker B: I Got some facts.
[02:07:06] Speaker A: Remember when you did whale facts for us? It was so good. It was great. You got any more?
[02:07:10] Speaker B: No, no more whale facts.
[02:07:12] Speaker A: This is the worst day of my life.
[02:07:13] Speaker B: I do have some facts about Sin City.
[02:07:17] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[02:07:18] Speaker B: Las Vegas.
[02:07:19] Speaker A: These actually could be good because Sin City is wild.
[02:07:22] Speaker B: Not Cincy. Sin City.
[02:07:23] Speaker A: Sin City.
[02:07:24] Speaker B: I said Cincy is in Kentucky.
[02:07:25] Speaker A: Thank you.
[02:07:26] Speaker B: Number one.
People in Las Vegas consume more shellfish in advance day than the entire rest of the United States does in a year.
[02:07:40] Speaker A: Why?
[02:07:40] Speaker B: The classic shrimp cocktail is a Las Vegas staple and seafood buffets are common throughout the city. People in Vegas love shellfish so much that they reportedly consume over 60,000 pounds or 30 tons per day, which is more than the entire country collectively eats in an entire entire year.
[02:08:00] Speaker A: That's incredible.
[02:08:01] Speaker D: That is incredible.
[02:08:02] Speaker B: It's a lot of shrimp cocktail.
[02:08:05] Speaker A: Number two.
Just think about how much shrimp cocktail that actually is. And it's just so much.
[02:08:10] Speaker B: Definitely filled our entire studio just with shrimp.
[02:08:16] Speaker A: I think it would do a lot more than just our studio. But no, I mean, we're in this giant warehouse. Tabith Media is doing really well. We've got our own building. It's fantastic.
[02:08:25] Speaker B: 60,000 square feet.
[02:08:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Gone.
[02:08:27] Speaker B: Number two. There are more than 150,000 hotel rooms in Las Vegas. If you ever need a place to crash for the night, Las Vegas will likely have a spot. It accommodates nearly 40 million annual visitors. And it would take 288 years for one person to spend one night in every hotel room in Vegas.
[02:08:50] Speaker A: Lot of years.
[02:08:51] Speaker B: It's a long time.
[02:08:52] Speaker A: I'd be dead by then.
[02:08:54] Speaker B: You wouldn't make it.
Maybe. Edward from Twilight.
Number three.
[02:08:59] Speaker A: I know what you are.
Vampire. Say it.
[02:09:02] Speaker B: Number three.
This is my favorite one.
[02:09:06] Speaker A: I'm listening.
[02:09:08] Speaker B: In 2005, just months after the King of Pop was acquitted on child molestation charges charges, Michael Jackson was working on plans for a comeback tour in Las Vegas.
[02:09:23] Speaker A: Come back.
[02:09:25] Speaker B: He imagined a 50 foot replica robot of himself for the Las Vegas residency, which would moonwalk across the Nevada desert as an advertisement visible to those flying in into the city and from and into McCarran Airport.
Due to financial problems and investor reluctance following his 2005 trial, the residency and the robot were never built. The project was scrapped, though plans were scaled down to a Michael Jackson themed hotel and casino. At one point, that also never happened.
But there was almost a 50 foot moonwalking robot wandering the deserts of Nevada.
[02:10:11] Speaker A: Talk about a missed opportunity.
Jesus, that would have been awesome.
[02:10:18] Speaker D: That would have been like the beginning. What was that recent robot Movie with Chris Pratt.
[02:10:23] Speaker A: Iron Giant.
[02:10:24] Speaker D: No, it was like a futuristic movie with all these robots. I don't know. It was a Netflix thing, I believe.
[02:10:31] Speaker B: But I didn't see that one.
[02:10:33] Speaker D: They had like the Peanut man robot and they just had like some iconic like robots and they were like self aware and I feel like this robot, this robot could have been in that. It would have been like the beginning of the last. It was, it was set in like Vegas too. It was like set in a desert.
[02:10:48] Speaker A: Th's really trying to explain.
[02:10:50] Speaker B: I said last week he's an amateur movie buff.
[02:10:52] Speaker D: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I don't know the names of the movies, but Iron One actor Ronnie goes.
[02:10:58] Speaker A: Back to Iron Giant voiced by Vin Diesel.
[02:11:04] Speaker B: But can you imagine a 50 foot robot replica of Michael Jackson just moonwalking through?
[02:11:09] Speaker A: I can't imagine it. It's glorious.
Yeah, that would be awesome if I. If every time you flew into Vegas, you just saw a Michael Jackson robot going around the sweet noom walking. There's got to be some environmental hazards there. Like it's just running over 47 coyotes a day. Like, like, oops, I got another one.
[02:11:31] Speaker D: Some nesting birds.
[02:11:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Like there's got to be problems there.
[02:11:33] Speaker B: But Michael Jackson, rip What an icon.
[02:11:37] Speaker A: Seriously.
[02:11:38] Speaker B: I do love the idea of a Michael Jackson themed hotel in Vegas though. When you think about the themes of hotels, there's so much, there's so much catalog to Michael Jackson. He could be playing non stop. Listen for all the speakers in the hotel.
[02:11:48] Speaker A: Personal stuff aside, because nobody will ever know what actually happened.
[02:11:51] Speaker D: There's a hoax.
[02:11:52] Speaker A: There's, there, there's a lot of evidence that says nothing happened. I'm not going to get too far down that. But Michael Jackson was a musical genius. And just if you, if you start diving into like his music and stuff, it's just insane.
[02:12:04] Speaker B: Oh, I mean absolute like once in a lifetime talent. I mean guy could dance, guy could sing. Like just super, super gifted. Very weird, but super gifted.
[02:12:14] Speaker A: Yeah. I feel like most people that are super.
[02:12:17] Speaker D: Oh yeah.
[02:12:18] Speaker A: I mean a collect Freddie Mercury.
[02:12:20] Speaker B: Guys that have just oddballs.
[02:12:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:12:22] Speaker B: But Michael Jackson was supremely talented.
[02:12:25] Speaker A: Yes.
So yeah, to your point, hotel dedicated to Michael Jackson.
[02:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean he has so many outfits and things that he wore. Like if you think about like going to like the hard rock and you have like all the guitars and all this, like there's so many here in Cleveland.
[02:12:37] Speaker A: You go to the Rock and roll hall of Fame and the. Just the few things that they have of Michael Jackson's in there.
[02:12:41] Speaker B: Is. Well, yeah. I mean, you can make a whole exhibit about Michael. So you could definitely feel a hotel with all his stuff and gloves and just videos and music and just turn.
[02:12:48] Speaker A: Neverland Ranch into Michael Jackson themed hotel. You probably got to move it. It's not in a great spot, but.
[02:12:55] Speaker B: You know, it was that once.
[02:12:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
And that's facts for days.
[02:13:02] Speaker B: For days, boys.
[02:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Bone. Are you feeling it?
[02:13:05] Speaker D: Oh, yeah.
I'm feeling live.
Oh, wait. Oh, it's time to go to bed. Yeah.
[02:13:13] Speaker B: No, no.
[02:13:15] Speaker D: Bon appetit.
[02:13:16] Speaker B: What does that even mean?
[02:13:18] Speaker A: Bone, ape, tit, bonaped.
[02:13:19] Speaker B: It don't just be a part of the problem, B. The whole damn problem.
[02:13:22] Speaker A: And only you can prevent river fires.
[02:13:27] Speaker B: Burning rivers.
[02:13:29] Speaker A: Burning river. River timey. Kangaroo.
[02:13:32] Speaker B: Kangaroo down.
[02:13:33] Speaker A: Sport Tommy Kangaroo.
[02:13:37] Speaker B: Kangaroo down. Sport Tommy Kangaroo down. All together now. Tommy Kangaroo down. Sport Tommy Kangaroo down.
[02:13:46] Speaker A: Tommy Kangaroo down.
[02:13:48] Speaker B: Sport Tommy Kangaroo down.
Good night, Cleveland.
[02:13:52] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:13:53] Speaker D: Good night, Akron.
[02:13:54] Speaker A: Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living in a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:14:08] Speaker B: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:14:12] Speaker A: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:14:14] Speaker B: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:14:17] Speaker A: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up, because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the birthday river sports cat Motorboat.
[02:14:28] Speaker E: You play the motorboat?
[02:14:31] Speaker A: You motorboat? Son of a.
[02:14:33] Speaker B: You old seal. Are you. You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:14:35] Speaker A: What? What were you? Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[02:14:40] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:14:41] Speaker A: My name is Uhtred. Son of Uhtred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:14:48] Speaker B: Women's Guide to. To Anal Sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[02:14:54] Speaker D: The weather outside is weather.
[02:14:56] Speaker A: The other one. The finger. The finger.
[02:14:57] Speaker B: Eating food.
[02:14:58] Speaker A: Fingers. Oh, my God. My ass is full of everywhere.
[02:15:04] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:15:04] Speaker B: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:15:07] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:15:07] Speaker A: Oh, no.
[02:15:09] Speaker B: We suck again.
[02:15:10] Speaker D: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:15:13] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[02:15:14] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[02:15:15] Speaker D: That's right.
[02:15:16] Speaker A: Touchdown. Number one. What do you mean, funny?
[02:15:18] Speaker D: Funny how?
[02:15:19] Speaker A: How am I funny? It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:15:22] Speaker B: Timber.
[02:15:25] Speaker A: Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like. Like. Like the meat pod slow roasted.
[02:15:33] Speaker B: The leads are weak.
[02:15:35] Speaker A: Leads are weak.
Leads are weak.
[02:15:39] Speaker B: Then we should send a team of oil core drillers, a la Armageddon, to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that, when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:15:48] Speaker A: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[02:15:53] Speaker B: Oh, Lord.
[02:15:54] Speaker A: I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground.
[02:15:58] Speaker B: Wow. But damn, I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
You know why, Mr. Cuz? You drove a Hyundai.
[02:16:08] Speaker A: To get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:16:20] Speaker D: This is. This is. It's Mother Nature.
[02:16:22] Speaker A: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:16:24] Speaker B: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:16:26] Speaker A: I desperately want to make love for cheese.
[02:16:27] Speaker B: We need cheese girl now.
[02:16:29] Speaker A: Down goes Anderson.
[02:16:31] Speaker B: Down goes Anderson. Who's cancer canceled now. Who's canceled now?
[02:16:36] Speaker A: Probably me.
[02:16:36] Speaker B: You making it for the fat people.
[02:16:39] Speaker A: I'm not just you.
[02:16:41] Speaker B: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:16:44] Speaker A: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:16:50] Speaker D: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:16:55] Speaker B: You like to see almost naked.
[02:16:57] Speaker A: That's cool, man.
[02:16:58] Speaker B: Whatever.
[02:16:58] Speaker D: No, no, no, no.
[02:16:59] Speaker A: Know, most people, like, they're driving along and they're like in between meals, like.
[02:17:02] Speaker B: I'm a little hungry.
[02:17:03] Speaker A: I'm going to have a granola bar. And it's like, I need a cheeseburger.
Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
[02:17:13] Speaker B: Is this not why you were here?
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