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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam, it's time. Time for the burning river sportscast.
Jets 27, Browns 20.
Here we are.
[00:01:03] Speaker B: What are we even doing here?
[00:01:05] Speaker A: No idea.
None at all, my friend. None at all.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: I just. Every week I'm just more and more baffled as to how in the hell I'm still a Browns fan.
[00:01:20] Speaker A: How we got here?
[00:01:22] Speaker B: Oh no, I know how we got here.
I just don't know why I'm. Why I'm still dealing with it. But you know, here we are.
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[00:02:41] Speaker A: You name it, they frame it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
But today on the show this is what you can look forward to. We got a recap of today's Week 10 loss to the Jets. That's right, the Jets.
A closer look at the offense, defense and special teams play. Our nominees for dog of the week.
What changes, if any, we expect as we get into this week and the rest of the season.
Deshaun Watson's out there talking about he thinks he's still got some gas in the tank. Maybe it's time to kick those tires again.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Can't be worse than what we got.
[00:03:24] Speaker B: And I Think we just want to talk about just. Just what the hell happened? How'd we get here? I don't know. I'm sure there's gonna be a lot more, but let's get things started by reminding everyone to call the burning of a sportscast hot take hotline.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: Hot take hotline.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: Call that everybody's gone. Leave your hot takes on the hot take.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: Hot takes.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: We get any yet?
[00:03:43] Speaker A: We got a couple, but more can come in. Keep calling, let us know. I'm not pissed off about this one.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: You got problems?
[00:03:51] Speaker A: I don't know, man.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, seriously, call the. Call the hot take hotline and just let us know how you're feeling. I mean, if nothing else, you know, just. Just vent a little. Just vent a little.
Kenny, I like how your name's still Burning River Sportscast. You never changed it. You're just. You are Burning River Sportscast. I'm just Ronnie James.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: I am the burning.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: You fix that right now.
But, yeah, call us. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. We'll put them on our show for Thursday. We'll talk about them. We'll laugh a little bit. Hopefully by that time everybody's cooled off and.
And it'll just be fun. But it probably won't be because we're still going to be losing. We just lost the Jets.
[00:04:32] Speaker A: Yeah. We may not win another game all year. I mean, buckle in, friends, because the schedule is not. I mean, we thought this was the soft part of the schedule. It doesn't get any softer than today.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: This feels as bad as when Robert Sala was keeping receipts and I talked to him and then we. They scored like 17 points in a minute and beat us.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: This has to be one of. This has to be one of the worst Browns losses in. In recent memory anyway. I mean, there's. Look, there's a laundry list of bad losses, but this one feels particularly bad. This team was one in seven, going nowhere fast. Disastrous start to the career of coaching career of Aaron. Aaron Glenn.
And not to mention that this team was decimated less than a week ago, losing two of their best players in trades. So if there was a chance to win a football game on this schedule this year, this week was it, and we know it turned out so.
[00:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah, we did not win.
Yeah. This long winded opening is just to delay the inevitable that we've got to get to talking about the actual game. So with that, I guess we'll just jump in. Right?
Where do. Where do we start, Kenny?
[00:05:47] Speaker A: Where.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Where do you want to start? You want to start offense? You want to start defense? Where do you want to start?
[00:05:50] Speaker A: It doesn't matter. This team is terrible. I don't know why anybody watches it anymore. Like, it's time for your Browns vacation. Like, tune in once a week, listen to us for an hour, hour and a half, and we'll tell you everything you need to know, because it's not worth your time to tune in on Sundays anymore and watch this team continually disappoint you week after week. They're a disaster. They're a disaster.
And, I mean, let's. Let's start with the offense. I think that's a great place to start our quarterback.
Statistically, if you just look at it on paper, it wasn't the worst day ever. I think he was 20 of 32 or something. 17 of 32, 160 yards, two touchdowns. Like, doesn't look all that bad on paper. If you watch the game, he was throwing the ball to no one. Half the time. It's like he was playing with his eyes closed. Sometimes he hits guys in stride. Sometimes he throws the ball to literally no one. He was throwing balls in the dirt, throwing balls out of bounds. I don't know how you expect to win football games in the NFL if that's the guy that is leading your offense.
[00:06:49] Speaker B: It's.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: It's embarrassing.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Listen, I'm. I'm going to take you back, Kenny. I know.
I know that you played high school football with me, and I know that's how far we're taking it back. This is 20 plus years not to. About 20 years, not to date myself, but do you remember freshman year? And we just had no quarterback for jv, so they were like, you know, Ronnie, you could play. You're an athlete. We're going to throw you a quarterback on JV on Saturdays just because.
And I went out there, I've never played quarterback in my life before, had no idea what I was doing. And what I did was, I'd say, well, this is where the guy's supposed to be on a route. I have.
Listen, when I tell you I had no idea where people were. I would drop back and I had no idea where people were.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: Like, yeah, you had no idea what you were doing.
[00:07:35] Speaker B: I didn't. I know none. And I just threw the ball up in the air and hoped that the guy was where the route was supposed to be. I didn't know if he was. Didn't know what was going to happen. I just threw it up there.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: Sometimes they catch it, sometimes they don't.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Well, and my part of my point is the very first game that I played, I was three or five. We didn't pass much, but I was three of five for 147 yards and two and three touchdowns.
I looked great. And then after that, I threw about 95 interceptions.
My point is. My point is that's Dylan Gabriel right now. He's literally throwing to who knows where. He doesn't even know where. He's just throwing the ball up. And sometimes if you just look at paper, he looks okay, but if you watch the game, he's completely lost. He has no idea what he's doing.
[00:08:19] Speaker A: I mean, whatever that orbit fake was, the screen that he threw, I mean, he threw the ball 16ft over the guy's head, out of bounds.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: There was.
There was that. And then there's the crossing route where he threw the ball in the dirt, like, just at his.
[00:08:32] Speaker A: Like there were two of those.
[00:08:34] Speaker B: He threw the ball like six yards and the guy was at like nine.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: I mean, a couple of hospital balls threw into Harold Fannin. Almost got his. Almost got him decapitated.
The worrisome part is this coaching staff believes in this guy.
[00:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
And it's funny because we stated the.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: Browns right now, they have belief in a guy that is that everyone else watching can see is never going to be a quality NFL starter. Even the touchdown to Judy, I mean, that ball hung up in the air for about eight and a half seconds. It was in the air longer than a punt. He threw it about 32 yards, and it looked like he threw it out of his shoes to get it there and everything.
I mean, he had to make a hell of a play to come down with that in the end zone.
You know, nine times out of 10, you throw that ball. That's a pick.
So again, there's. There's the analytics and then there's. Then there's the eye test. And this guy just does not look like an NFL quarterback. And, and the crazy thing is, is Stefanski went straight to the podium after the game and said, oh, you know.
[00:09:36] Speaker B: Anyone even asked a question?
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Yeah, Dylan's our starter going forward.
I mean, how are you. How am I. How are you supposed to. How am I supposed to believe you're doing any kind of evaluation when you're just saying this? The. The guy that is the leader of my offense, we're not even going to look twice there. He's the guy going forward. Sorry.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: Why.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Why did they draft Shador Sanders? Why?
[00:09:59] Speaker B: I don't know. And that's actually a good, good segue into some of these comments because we'll, we'll talk about. I think that we should do comment heavy tonight. I mean we're getting some good action already here. So Tyler Martin on, on Facebook, he asked, he said, why don't you. They just start Sanders at this point. Give him a chance. Can't hurt anyone more than they are hurting themselves already. Like, and mind you, Tyler, Tyler's a friend of ours. He was on the. He's our Panthers fan that we've been interacting with lately. And yeah, the answer is because they don't think they're hurting themselves. At least not the guy that's in charge of starting the quarterback, which is Kevin Stefanski. He thinks they're giving them the best chance to win.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I know there was like a party thrown this week when, when Paul Dipodesta got his walking papers, but greatest.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Moment of my life.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: It was, It's a great moment, but it's not going to impact us during the season at this point. I mean you're still going to have to deal with Kevin Stefanski and his tomfoolery, which is I have two rookie quarterbacks on this roster. We kind of have seen what you have in Dylan Gabriel. He's not it. We refuse to even get a look at Shador Sanders, knowing we have two first round picks coming up in this year's draft.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: So one looks.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Yeah, one look. No looks. Zoolander, no looks.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: That's the reason we're not going with Sanders though. And, and it just, we keep hearing this non stop, like Stefanski's gonna go down with the ship. Stefanski's like, why? Why? What's the point in it? But I mean the more this goes, the longer this goes on where he sticks with Dylan Gabriel after putting up just again, you said today wasn't that bad. But overall, over the course of however many weeks he's played, just putting up historically poor numbers.
What are you doing?
[00:11:44] Speaker A: It's just baffling. I, I mean, look, there's a reason in the Browns team shop you can't buy his jersey.
[00:11:51] Speaker B: That was. I saw this past week.
[00:11:53] Speaker A: Nobody wants it. You can buy a Shador Sanders jersey. You can buy Miles Garrett jersey. You cannot buy a Dylan Gabriel jersey in the team shop. You might be able to buy one online.
[00:12:02] Speaker B: Can you buy it? Can you buy the backups jersey? Yeah, the franchise quarterbacks jersey. Absolutely not.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: You cannot buy his jersey. If you go to Cleveland Brown Stadium on it is not for sale. Yeah, if the marketing department knows it. But Kevin Stefanski doesn't that's a problem.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And then we'll move on from Dylan Gabriel though. We could talk about Dylan Gabriel being ass all day. We probably will come back to it. But Quinn, Sean Judkins, he's starting to come back down to earth too. And I don't know if it's because the line's so bad or what the deal is, but I mean, he's looking more and more pedestrian every week.
[00:12:38] Speaker A: Worried about Quinn Shawn right now, look, you know, highly touted out of college, great athlete in college doesn't always translate to the NFL.
I mean, if you look, he hasn't averaged over four yards of carry since early October. So it's been four or five games now that he's been under four yards of carry. I'm not going to say he's Trent Richardson, but you know, if he continues nobody's Trent Richardson trajectory could very well be where he's at. So, you know, I'm not really there.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: He wasn't drafted on him. He wasn't drafted third overall either, so.
Or fifth overall or whatever Trent Richardson was.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: No, but, but he was a high.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Draft pick round two.
But either way, I, I'm not ready to say that the Quinn Sean's heading that direction at all. I, I, it just makes you pause when you start seeing like Today he had 22 carries for 70 some yards. I think he averaged 3.4.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: Yeah. He's getting the one benefit that like Nick Chubb never did. He's getting 20 plus carries a game.
[00:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's not translating yet. At least not every week, so.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: And we know that this offensive line has problems. Right? I mean, again, I'm not.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: Well, that's why I said I'm not panicking. I'm not saying he's heading that route.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: Yet, but I have a small amount of concern at this point. But we know that this offensive line needs upgraded in a big way.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: We're probably a little biased too because our favorite Brown of all time is Nick Chubb. And Nick Chubb covered up the blemishes on this offense defensive line for years.
So. True.
Not everybody could do that. You notice I'm wearing my, my Nick Chubb shirt because this team all, we just, we could really use a superhero right now.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah. If there was a bat signal, it was, it's time to put it in the sky.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: Yeah. It wouldn't matter. He wouldn't come back for anything. I, I keep hearing people say they're going to patch that up and he's going to retire Brown I don't buy it. I think Nick Chubb's gonna be like, I'm.
Anyways, Jerry Judy sighting today and a Cedric Tillman sighting.
[00:14:35] Speaker A: Yeah, great. Yeah. How many balls went to wide receivers today?
[00:14:41] Speaker B: That's a good question.
Keep talking. I'll figure it out.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: It was eight.
[00:14:46] Speaker B: Eight.
Eight.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: Six to Jerry Judy, two to Cedric Tillman.
[00:14:52] Speaker B: You can't win football games by throwing your receivers eight passes.
I just.
I mean, to be fair, he only had 17 completions total, so.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: Well, yeah, a lot of balls in the dirt and out of bounds, so.
I mean, threw that one to Cedric Tillman in the end zone and it was about 40ft out of bounds, so.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: Ah, that was. That was another really bad one. I didn't even.
You just reminded me of it. I was like. When I was watching it, saw it happen, I was like, he didn't even give him a chance. Like, it wasn't even close.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: No, it was just, like, actually won the matchup. Cedric had a step on him, but.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: Like, if he would have just thrown to the outside. He had him all the way down the sideline.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: He threw it outside. All right. Outside of the field.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: Let's move on to the defense. The offense is ass.
Miles Garrett had another sack. He's now tied for the league lead.
But that guy's not very good, according to some of the people on our Facebook.
Yeah.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Look, again, I just. This whole game was a dumpster fire.
[00:15:55] Speaker B: Kind of like our show so far.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: I don't know what Justin fields do for 54 yards.
Justin, they're starting quarterback through for 54 yards and you lost the game.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: There was a point in the first quarter that I texted you guys and I said the Browns currently are down 14 to 7 and the opponent has 2 yards of total offense.
2 yards of total offense, and the Browns were down 14, 7.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah, he spotted him 14 points today on returns, so that's. Good job. Good job. Out of the special team. Somehow Bubba Vent still has a job.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll get to him. We'll get to all of them.
[00:16:31] Speaker A: Just every. Everything that you point to, like, just points to. Like, you can't. You can't run this back again, right? Like, look, this game is. This game. They lost this game. It was ugly. But this game was not an aberration. This game is how the season has looked from start to now. You can't run this back. Stefanski's got to go. Deepest is gone. Great. Bubba Ventrone's gotta go. Like, this isn't. You have to clean house. You can't you can't keep rolling the same out every week.
[00:16:58] Speaker B: Right. And. And what has anybody shown us besides the only guy that I'll continue to say besides Jim Schwartz, like, who showed us anything that deserves being kept into next season.
And even Jim Schwartz, like, he's got to go because he's part of the regime.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: So, I mean, I guess you could make a case for Tommy Reese today to say the offense had their best day of the season, like, outside of the phenomenon.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: Yeah, we could talk about that for a minute. Tommy Reese, and not that I'm giving him any major props or anything, but this is just another nail in Stefanski's coffin for me because Tommy Reese instantly scores over 17 points. Yeah, like, we haven't done that in weeks.
And the one time we did this season, besides this game, we had like two defensive touchdowns. So.
Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I know. I'll throw his name up here.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: Yeah, you'll have to check out our Facebook for that. We get him every week telling us how bad Miles Garrett is every week.
[00:18:00] Speaker B: I think his name is John. John. John Tinchy or something like that.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: He hates Miles.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Yeah, not a fan.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: You know, 11 sacks on this, on the season, no big deal.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: But, yeah, I just, again, another, Another nail in Stefanski's coffin because you can't tell me that, like, okay, I'm going to turn over play calling duties. And to me, it should be a regression. I mean, the obvious. The obvious thing is it should. You should get better because that's why he's turning over play calling. But if you're saying Kevin Stefanski, the. The garbage we've been fed the entire time he's been here about him being an offensive guru, blah, blah, blah.
Tommy Reese, who's calling his first game ever in the NFL, probably should not be an improvement for that guy, but he was, he instantly improved the offense. We actually threw the ball downfield a couple times. We struggled to do it, but anyway, yeah, we struggled mightily to do it. I mean, it. You already talked about it, but it took every bit of strength that Dylan Gabriel had to throw at 28 yards, but we at least tried it.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: I mean, here's. Here's the deal, right? I don't know whether we're going to see Shador between now and the end of the year. Kevin Stefanski seems determined, determined not to let that kid see the field for whatever reason.
But I just know that, like, I don't have any, any faith at all going into next year that they're going to pick the right guy. If they pick the right guy, they're going to put him in a position to succeed. So I just like. I don't know. This is. This doesn't get any better here with this regime. This isn't going to get fixed with a quarterback. Whether it's Mendoza or Moore or any of these guys or Arch Manning someday like this.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: This is.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: This, this front office, this coaching staff.
The team's not going to get better until they're gone.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, we'll get deeper into the quarterback options in our, our weekly show.
You know, our, our other recorded show. But yeah, I mean, just a short version of that right now.
Who you take it with? The number one pick.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Who are you taking? Who's, who's going to fix this team in this offense?
[00:20:11] Speaker B: Nobody. I mean, the only one I' right now, she just threw him out there as Mendoza. Like that dude's got Brady Quinn written all over him for me.
But I mean, I don't know. I.
That's a whole other topic.
[00:20:24] Speaker A: I mean, I mean, out of all those quarterbacks, this was supposed to be this quarterback deep class. Out of all those quarterbacks, Julian saying is probably going to win the Heisman this year if they, if they close out and win the Big Ten.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: And if he stays on pace that he's staying, he's going to be the first quarterback ever to throw for over 80% for an entire season.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: Right. I mean, he's gonna. Out of all the quarterbacks that we've been. Everybody's been licking their chops going, oh, I can't wait for this quarterback draft.
They're going to get beat out by an underclassman. So.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: Hashtag Baby face Assassin.
Yeah, so whatever that I don't know. I mean, the defense. We'll go back to today's game, we're just all over the place because I don't know what to even say about the Browns right now.
But yeah, the defense, I didn't think the defense played poorly. I mean, we spotted them 14 of those 20 points or 27 points were returned. So defense gave up 13 points. It's a pretty good day.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: You had a pick.
Justin fields threw for 54 yards. You held Breeze hall under a hundred yards. Like, what else do you want from this defense?
[00:21:29] Speaker B: I mean, frankly, say Justin fields threw for 54 yards.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: Frankly, this defense only gave up 13 points today because we spotted them 14 on special teams. So, yeah, another, another solid outing by your defense. But it doesn't matter because you can't win football games with a Defense alone. So, no. And right now you've got two phases of the game working against you. They did. I will give Bubba Venturon credit on the field goal before half. They got everybody out on the field, miraculously, in about 10 seconds, it got that field goal off. That was dodged a bullet there.
After. After a little coconut decided he was gonna take a sack on third down with 20 seconds left and no timeouts.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah, he pretty much summed up the whole game.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: Do we need to do anything the supercomputer doesn't know you can't take a sack with no timeouts left for halftime?
[00:22:26] Speaker B: I'm. This is the first time I think I've ever done this show with you, and I'm mostly at just a loss for what to say, but, I mean, it's apathy, man.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: I don't know what else. I mean, we here every week and we talk about the game and there's things you can pick apart and things we should have done and. But every week it's the same. It's the same story. I'm convinced. Look, I know Kevin gave a play calling this week, and the one time I saw him engaged the entire game was on the final play when it was 4th and 5 and everybody knew they weren't going to run a play. I did see him shout something. I'm pretty sure he told the defensive line to jump. He was like, we don't even want to see Dylan Gabriel try to run this offense with no timeouts and a minute left. Like, we need to just lose this game now and secure a top four pick in the draft. Do it, boys.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yep.
And the funniest part about that play was the announcer actually said, he goes, oh, they're just going to come to the line of scrimmage and they're going to try and get them jump off sides and they're going to run the clock down. That's. That's what they do.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: How many times do you see that play every week in the NFL? And it's not a mystery. It's.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: I mean, literally, Patrick Mahomes ran a fake out of it two weeks ago because he said, oh, this never works. They snap the ball real quick.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: That was actually a good place. They ran play and they never do that. There was no reason, only time ever.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: That somebody's ran a play.
[00:23:40] Speaker A: There's no reason for them to snap the ball. I mean, it's, it's, it's. It's the Pavlov's dog experiment, right? Like you ring the bell and give Them food like that's the point. That's. That's apparently where the Browns defensive front is. They are Pavlov's dog. We ring the bell, you jump.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: Levi in the house on Facebook. I just wanted to throw this out there. He succinctly wrapped everything up for he said wasn't we were talking about Quinn, John Judkins and some other things but he said wasn't running behind Chubb's line can't win Kentucky Derby with a jackass prime Brady and Mahomes would also look like trash Gabriel still cheeks tank job from the start Miles and Denzel should have been traded last week Brook Park Browns and then he came back with Sanders either really good or bad either way would keep off field. Where's Watson John Gruden 2026.
That's. That's the one that keeps floating around there now is John Gruden. And I mean really.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: I don't have a problem with it. Look, I know he's got some baggage in his background. Obviously his snow with the Raiders didn't end well with all that junk that went on there. But you know, he seems to have kind of fallen back into the good graces of the NFL. He's on TV from time to time and stuff now. So I don't have a problem.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: I actually like rooting in and I think the biggest thing that we call for non stop is accountability and like just a motivator and he's both of those things.
[00:25:03] Speaker A: If nothing, that's a football guy.
[00:25:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. And I mean I'm convinced.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: I mean, look, I know Kevin went to an Ivy League school. I'm convinced at this point, if you can watch what you watched today and for the last several weeks and you can get on the podium and the first thing you say is Dylan Gabriel's untouchable. I'm convinced you just lack intelligence at this point.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: Maybe he cheated his way through Ivy League education. I don't know. He was just studying with a. With a buddy and let's start that.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Like the Kevin Stefanski just cheat his way through school.
[00:25:37] Speaker A: You just. He just lacks intelligence. He's just not a smart man. You're not a smart man. You're living in your. In your in delusion.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: You know, Paul D. Podesta got another job this week with the Colorado Rockies. Is there any chance that we just see Kevin Tansky voluntarily resign? He's just no, I'm out.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: There's no.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: That's what we need, right? I mean too much money. Like it's Kind of like, you know, people talked about Baker Mayfield when he was here. Right. And they said he's got to take himself out of the game. Well, it's time for Kevin Tansky to take himself out of.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: Do what's best for the team. Kevin.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: Pull yourself out of the lineup.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
But. Yeah, so let's go, let's finish, let's finish the game portion of this. Andre Schmidt, special teams made all his kicks. That's the only good part about special teams today. Everything else about special teams is awful. Coaching Stefanik Stefanski, obviously we said fire Stefanski. He lost to the Jets. He lost to the Jets. He lost to the Jets. He lost to the jets.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: They were 1 7.
[00:26:40] Speaker B: And then he came out and said he's sticking with Gabriel as quarterback. Still no accountability, discipline and coaching type penalties. We talked about the last penalty that sealed the game.
That was just one of several.
Tommy Reese scored more than 17 points right off the rip. We talked about that. Jim Schwartz, the only one that does anything worth a damn around here and Bubba Ventrone, I think, I think come Monday, the two guys that should be first on the chopping block are Kevin Tavianski and Bubba Ventrone. They should both be gone.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: They won't be though.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: No, they won't.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: They won't be. Yeah. Jimmy's not going to fire these guys, at least not until the season's over. That's why I said if you got better things to do on a Sunday right now, like I don't get your Christmas shopping in, go to church, you know, have a family, have a family dinner.
Yeah. This team is not worth watching the rest of the year.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And so I mean is Kevin is the reason Kevin Stefanski was hired is because him and our owner here, they're both ballist. Is that what it is? They're just, just, they have no stones. So they just, they're like, we hang out together.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: No stones, Kevin. I, I don't know. I mean Stefanski was the podesta guy. I mean he was, you know, hot on the analytics wagon and all that stuff. So of course he was. I just don't understand where, if this organization wants to claim that their analytics forward. How you can look at the analytics on Dylan Gabriel who. Which have been terrible analytics played. When you think about passing efficiency and balls that he's putting into jeopardy that are turnover worthy plays, like all of the things that you look at gauge or your, your quarterback's efficiency are bottom five or worse. You know, there's, there's, there's Guys that aren't starters in the league that have better efficiency numbers than Dylan Gabriel has. If you're an analytics forward organization, how do you continue to trot that out every week?
How do you ignore that?
[00:28:30] Speaker B: I don't know.
That's.
I'm. I'm. Listen, this might, I don't know. I don't know. Injuries from this game. I'm just moving on because. I don't know.
I'm sure we'll come back to injuries from this game. Denzel War got banged up late. Knee contusion. We'll see if anything comes to that. Alex Wright left the game, did not return. What'd you say? That was for Alex, right?
[00:28:55] Speaker A: It was a.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: Lower.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: Something low.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Lower body injury. Quad and then quad and then Carson Schwezinger left the game with quad injury. But he went and wrapped it up and rode the bike a little bit. He's like, I'm good to go. And he came back in.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: I mean he almost single handedly gave the Browns a chance to win that game there on that last drive and just busted through the line and almost interrupted the quarterback running back exchange. So, I mean, that was one of the best plays. Yeah.
[00:29:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that was one of the best plays I've seen in a while. We, we almost let Breeze hall get away after that. Yeah, we thought about it, but yeah, so I don't. I mean, there needs to be change. There's not going to be change. And so to Kenny's point, I think like you almost have to just kind of go into each week assuming we're going to lose because the jets were the worst team in the league.
[00:29:55] Speaker A: Well, find me another win on this schedule this year. I mean, you're about to walk headfirst into Baltimore. I mean, maybe Las Vegas because Geno Smith is a disaster. But it only took Justin Fields 54 yards to beat you. You're not going to beat San Francisco. They're playing really well. And Mac, whether it's Mac Jones or. I don't even know if Brock Purdy's still on the roster. But Tennessee, I guess they're kind of a dumpster fire. They fired their coach.
Buffalo's good football team. Pittsburgh's won five games. Cincinnati has Joe Flacco and he's going to outplay Dylan Gabriel. So the Titans, their only chance. Yeah, I mean, maybe Las Vegas, maybe the Titans. So you got a shot at winning four games this year.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: That's the Raiders. That's a west coast trip. They're not beating the Raiders.
[00:30:42] Speaker A: Well, just on Talent just because so bad.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: But I don't care what the talent is. We've had a lot more talent and we haven't won a game out west in like 14 years.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: So fair.
[00:30:54] Speaker B: They're not going to beat the Raiders, so your only chance is the Titans. That's it.
That's it.
[00:31:00] Speaker A: Music City Miracle.
[00:31:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
Did somebody in our comments just say a little bit ago that they bet the under on the Browns at two and a half games?
[00:31:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that was here.
[00:31:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
Good choice. Good choice.
About to win some money. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Let's try and find a bright side to all this. There's not one, but let's try to. We'll do our our nominees for dog of the week. In case anybody doesn't know anybody's joining us for the first time, we not we each nominate a dog of the week candidate. Me, Kenny and Bone, who's not with us on Sunday nights. But we still all nominate a dog of the week candidate. You guys vote for him on social media. We announce it on our show later in the week. So we'll start with Bone because he's not here. So he always has to phone us in, which isn't fair because he always gets to pick the obvious choice every time.
But Bone said Jerry Judy.
So Jerry Judy's his nominee this week.
I'm gonna go next. I'm gonna go Carson Schwerzinger.
[00:32:07] Speaker A: So.
[00:32:10] Speaker B: Kenny's gonna try and come up with something that's completely different that he can't actually do and I'm just gonna have to give him a nominee. So.
Yeah, Schwezinger. 10 tackles though. He had that that play at the end of the game that almost won the game for them if they could have got that ball back because it almost came loose.
I think that it was one of the best plays from a linebacker I've seen in quite some time. So luckily he's playing well. I don't know what that does for anybody because the Browns suck, but he's trying real hard to find somebody here.
[00:32:40] Speaker A: Give me Bojo. He averaged over 50 yards of boot today.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: I love it. You know, I like. You know, I got a soft spot for the punters. I love when we go for dog of the week. Seven punts for 351 yards. He had more.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: It's a good average on seven boots.
[00:32:57] Speaker B: Wait, let me see this for a second. So he had 351 yards.
He had about 75 more yards than the Browns did total. So it's A pretty good day.
So there you have it. Our Dog of the Week nominees. Jerry Judy Carson Schwezinger, and Corey Bajora Quest.
[00:33:19] Speaker A: That's all I got.
[00:33:20] Speaker B: Kenny, final thoughts this week or we want to keep talking anymore?
[00:33:25] Speaker A: No, I mean, this has been the worst show we've had all year because this is the worst loss they've had all year.
[00:33:29] Speaker B: I'll be honest.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: Seven Jets.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: It's terrible.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: It's a disaster.
I can't wait for. For this team to clean house. I. I've been ready for my pound of flesh for a while now.
The only. The only bright spot of this whole cycle of futility is, is that other people are finally starting to get online on board. Like, if you're watching, you know, boards online on Twitter and on Facebook, I mean, people are finally pissed off where we've been saying this for at least the last two years, that this wasn't going anywhere. We were just wasting everyone's time with this whole thing. And literally every step of the way, it just continues to compound and get worse. And people are finally fed up to the point where they want something done about it. And that's. That's the only silver lining that I have, is that everyone around us is finally starting to wake up. We're not. We're not just a voice in an echo chamber anymore shouting, hey, guys, what are we doing here? Like, we'd like to win some football games because this isn't the way to do it. Yeah, we're not. We're not any smarter than anybody else. We're just telling you what we see and everybody should be able to see it at this point.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So one thing you come to us for is we just tell it like it is.
And. Yeah, I mean, I went back this week and I actually, Because I was curious, I've been saying four years for a while, I've been saying. I've been telling everybody we've been on this bandwagon for four years to get rid of Stefanski. Even through his second.
There was a. There was a stretch of about three weeks.
Right around the time he won a second Coach of the Year, we were like, well, I guess. I guess he's okay.
Like, we weren't happy with them. We were just kind of indifferent. But we quickly got back onto the fire. Stefanski bandwagon.
But the first post that we made to the effect of Kevin Stefanski's holding this team back. We need to get somebody else in here. Was legitimately four years ago. I was. I've been Right. I was like, I had a. I had a inkling that that's about when it started was. I think that's the first Watson year, if I'm not mistaken. And we were going through quarterbacks before Watson came back, and it was awful. And then Watson came back. He didn't do anything either. And, yeah, I mean, it's been a long time. So, yeah, I'm glad that people are finally here with us and. And seeing the same things that we've been seeing for a long time.
Yeah. My final thought today is just you kind of touched on it a little bit, is just this is. And I'm not afraid to say this, this is. Might be our worst show that we've ever done. I mean, typically these shows, these. These post game shows are about an hour long.
We can always find something to talk about. Always find something that we can dig deeper into. Whatever the case may be, I am at such a loss for what the hell is happening in Cleveland. There's no explanation for it. No matter what Stefanski says in his post game press conferences, no matter what anybody comes out and tells us, none of it makes sense. There's clearly complete turmoil between the front office and the coaching staff, the players.
I mean, body language out there isn't good usually.
It just seems like they're going through the motions. Nobody really cares. I think this team knows it. I think the fans know it. Well, the fans obviously know it. We know it. Everybody knows it. Like you win maybe one game the rest of the year, if that.
And it's just we're at a point where it has become really. And we're going to keep doing it. We love the Browns. Even though I'm complaining about them right now, we love the Browns. I'll continue to watch them. I'll continue to come on here and talk to you guys and whatever, but we're at a point where it's really, really difficult to find anything remotely fun to talk about with this team.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: Well, and I think when you look at this team, there's a bunch of young guys and you're looking to see, you know, growth and improvement from week to week in certain areas. But this team is so bad.
And, you know, it's just like if this was a tank job, then just tell us. Quit coming to the podium every week. Say, we're going to get better, we're going to coach better, and we're going to try to win. If you're not trying to win, just tell us. You're not trying to win. Tell us, hey, this year is what it is. It's a growth year, it's a rebuilding year, it's a reloading year. We're going to try and coach these guys up and get them ready for next year, but at the end of the day, like, we just didn't have the assets needed to put this team in a position to win this year. And. And that's okay. We know that. But. But then stop lying to us. Stop telling us it's going to get better. Stop telling us you're going to do better.
You know, again, and I look at the. The things like with Kevin Stefanski, even a play calling this week and Tommy Reese calling plays. Why, why you're not trying to win. Why?
[00:38:04] Speaker B: You know what Kevin Stefanski was just.
[00:38:05] Speaker A: Accept losing every week and again, get that top pick.
[00:38:09] Speaker B: You know what? Kevin Stefanski was at the podium today and every week for that matter.
He's that. That me. He's the impractical jokers meme. It's like, say the line, say the line. And then he's like, he's like, gotta be better, get better and I will get better.
[00:38:25] Speaker A: I will get better. It'll get better.
[00:38:26] Speaker B: It's like, oh, no way. He said it, he said it like, that's, that's him.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: And, and it's a good call out on Malachi Corley. I was gonna go Malachi Corley as my dog of the week because he averaged 16 yards per carry today, so that's pretty good.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: Jory Bajoraquez beat the whole offense in yards, though, so.
And then one more shout out before we kind of wrap things up here in our Facebook comments.
James Frank, it seems like he joined a little bit late, but he said he gave us an mmm, punts, if you've seen that on social media. Uh, he. He also said, how did Kevin graduate from an Ivy League college?
True. Uh, and then he said, uh, his dog of the week, if they, if they win this week, is the LA Chargers. And the reason why I wanted to bring this one up specifically is because the LA Chargers are up 12 to 3 as we speak right now on the Steelers. As bad as the Browns are, you still have a chance in this division and we are ass. We can't figure out how to do anything to even come close to winning a football game, because let's be honest.
[00:39:34] Speaker A: We have a chance in the division. You just lost to the Jets. You got no chance for anything.
[00:39:38] Speaker B: Well, no, but you understand what I'm saying? Like, it's just. It's. It's Crazy to think that you still are technically in it, but being part of this, we all know we're not in it.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: When you say in it, you mean they're still in the NFL? Like, they're still an actual team.
They are one of 32 in the league.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: I like Paul Brown, our, our buddy from overseas telling us that, you know, talk when we had our, the soccer discussion, he said, when your team's not good, they get relegated.
I think it's about time the Browns get relegated.
I'll still root for him because that's what he said. You follow him and you root for him and then back up. But, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's time. Yeah. And then. And then James Frank, one more time, he said, I wish Miles would just call out Kevin in a press conference. Now, that, that would be good to.
[00:40:26] Speaker A: See, but it's talking about ctv.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: Kevin or Miles. Garrett doesn't have to. He's like, they paid me. I don't care. I'm just gonna go out there and get sacks. That's what I do.
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