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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam, it's time. Time for the burning river sportscast.
Brown 16, Ravens 23.
Feels bad again.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: Couldn't score 17 points.
You know, we got to 16. I was at the game today, we got to 16 and I turned to my wife and I was like, I think we're done. We can't score anymore.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: That's it. No more scoring can be made.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: There's no way for the Cleveland Browns to score more than 16 points. We did last week, I guess, but you know, didn't mean anything.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: It's just not a thing.
[00:01:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
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And so today on the show this way you can look forward to we got a recap of today's Week 11 lost to the Ravens. A closer look at the offense, defense and special teams play. Our nominees for dog of the week should or Sanders debut a little bit of Sanders vs Gabriel talk and what we expect the Browns to do moving forward. And I'm sure there's going to be so much more. Or we might just talk about Shador Sanders and Dylan Gabriel all night. You know, we'll see where the. We'll see where the night takes us.
But with that, let's get things started by reminding everybody to call the burning of our sportscast hot take hotline.
Nobody's call. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Remember, these are hot takes by now, but I guess the game was at 4 o', clock, so people haven't had a chance to digest and get too angry yet. They're still.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it was, it was close, too. So they had a little bit of hope for a minute. Now they're like, yeah, I think it's catching up. It's like, what did I just watch?
[00:03:42] Speaker A: Get those rolling in, boys.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: Yeah. So the number for that three. 30-227-8081 oh. 330-2278-081330-22781 Call now. Operators not standing by, but we'll put you on the air.
All right, so the week 11 recap.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: What?
[00:04:07] Speaker B: He's just laughing at the Browns.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: It's another week, another loss.
[00:04:11] Speaker B: Another week, another loss. And listen, if you told me that LaMar Jackson was 14 for 25 for 195 yards, no touchdowns and two interceptions, and he took five sacks for 26 yards. I. I'm saying, dang, we probably did pretty good. We. We might have actually squeaked one out here. No. Yeah, we didn't.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: No, it doesn't happen here.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: He also didn't get. Get anything going on the ground. He rushed four times for 10 yards. You know who did have one rush for 35 yards and a touchdown, though, was Mark Andrews.
[00:04:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, the Browns invent new ways to lose every week.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: I think that's a new one. A tight end run out of the backfield on a fake tush.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: The first time I ever saw the fake tush push off tackle for a score. There was not a goal line play. It was a 30 yard scamper.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: They. The Browns, the Browns said, you guys will not Tush push. We'll put 11 in the box.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Not only that, it's a tight end, like no one could catch him.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: It's too fast. It's too fast.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: Mark Andrews, he's 100 years old and.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: He'S like, like, not that he's not athletic, but he's not. You don't look at him you're like Mark Andrews. He's most athletic tight end of the NFL.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Like, he's not Saquon Barkley, that's for sure.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: No. And he turned on the jets, apparently.
We could not catch that guy. And I felt so bad for whoever the line. I couldn't get a good look at it. I was at the game.
We had really, really nice tickets.
We were in a suite. It was awesome.
And the game was fun, but I couldn't get a good look at whoever tried the. The last guy that dove and tried to tackle him and just laid there with his face in the ground like, damn it.
We couldn't get him.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: Couldn't get the tight end.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So feel bad for that guy.
But, yeah. And then Derek Henry was Derek Henry 18 for 103. They actually played him tough, I think. But I mean, he did have a long of 59. So there's that.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that run, that was a big one. And they did hit Hawk him down.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: They could catch him. It was just like known for breaking away from everybody and they couldn't.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: It was Denzel. I was like, hey, nobody gonna catch him. And Denzel shoestring to met the goal line there.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: Denzel was like, I don't think so.
So, yeah, I mean, again, if you told me Lamar had that game, I would say I feel pretty good about it. But let me just read you our combined quarterback stats. 11 of 26 for 81 yards and interception. So you. You did not hear that wrong. We threw for 81 yards today.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: It's an explosive Tommy Reese offense.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
And so let's. Actually, we're. We're going to change directions here, Kenny.
We're going to start with the defense, just because I want to talk about Miles Garrett before we get into the Shador and. And Dylan discussion, because I think that's pretty much going to take up the rest of the time here.
So first of all, yeah, Miles, once again, four sacks in the day just went bananas. Every time that guy got in the backfield and was hitting somebody, you. I mean, you should hear it at the stadium. The stadium was like 3/4 of the way empty.
And it was. The whole lower bowl was six bucks. The whole lower bowl was almost completely purple.
But the stadium went nuts when Miles Garrett got in the backfield. And every time he had another sack, it was like, you just listen to everybody around you, and they're like, no way. He got another one. He got another one. He got another one. And yet we still got guys like John Tinchy on our Facebook out Here telling us that he's not very good and that he doesn't hustle, he doesn't get after it well, he's on. He's well ahead of pace for the sack record, if I'm not mistaken.
[00:07:48] Speaker A: So I don't know what you're supposed to do as a defensive end to be more impactful than to have four or five sacks in a game you still can't win.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: So, like, the dude was literally drafted as a pass rush specialist.
Like, that's what he does.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: I don't understand. I don't know what else he can do to quiet the haters because, yeah, he's the best we ever. I've ever seen, period. I mean, he's really, really good. He's the one that's fun to watch each week on this Browns team and.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: And like, watching him rush the pass is seriously insane because the bend that that guy gets, like coming around the edge and how he's able to just like, he's like a contortionist just trying to get in there and do whatever he can to get past that guy his size.
[00:08:33] Speaker A: And ATH is second to none.
[00:08:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
So, yeah. So obviously Miles Garrett, big game. The rest of the defense actually played pretty well.
I mean, there was a couple broken plays, but overall they played well.
[00:08:47] Speaker A: This is one of the best offenses in the NFL. Last year, Lamar threw for 40 touchdowns, I think to like three picks. Like, I know they don't have a whole bunch of like big name receivers, but like, that passing game is always good.
[00:08:58] Speaker B: And.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: And with Lamar's threat to run, it's always explosive. And to have Derek Henry in the mix too, and to give up 23 points on the.
I mean, frankly, if you're the Ravens, this was like a nightmare scenario. I mean, everything that could go wrong went wrong, especially in that first half. You have, you know, Miles with three sacks in the first half alone. The muffed punt picked. Devin Bush jumped off sides on fourth down.
I mean, literally everything that. That could go wrong went wrong for them and you know what, 16 to 10 and a halftime. So, yeah, I mean, testament to them to sticking with it.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: One though, I think the worst part about that whole thing is their defense is not good and we still.
It is getting better, I'll give them that. But my point is our offense could literally get nothing going. Like, not a little bit.
[00:09:51] Speaker A: We had, we had with this defense. If your offense was mediocre, if you had a C plus offense, yeah, you would win a lot of games.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Well, and it was. They came they came out in this game and Quinn Shine had a few carries early, found some success. And then Baltimore watched Dylan Gabriel completely miss his target a few times. And they were like, oh, this guy can't make basic throws. So we could just put nine guys in the box and then, you know, or eight guys in the box and man up on the outside and we're probably pretty good.
And they were, they were fine.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: And they were. Yeah.
[00:10:28] Speaker B: And they just completely shut down Quinton Judkins after that. I mean, I think after the first quarter he did basically nothing.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: So I mean, frankly for most of the game, I mean he had a couple nice runs, but like those nice runs were like six and seven yard gashes. And then, I mean he had 17 carries for 59 yards. It wasn't like he broke a 40 yarder out there. Like he, you know who did have.
[00:10:52] Speaker B: A good run and we refused to give him the ball ever, is Dylan Sampson.
[00:10:54] Speaker A: Dylan Sampson, Yeah. He averaged 19 yards of carry today on one carry.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: When they gave him the ball, I literally was like, no way. They gave him the ball and see what happens. That's he's explosive runner. And then they never gave him the ball again. They were like, we're done with that.
[00:11:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean actually, like I actually didn't hate the game plan in the first half. Now I think when you think about play calling, there's certainly a lack of imagination there.
You know, these, A lot of the runs and stuff are very straightforward, but, but I, I felt like there was a concerted effort to run the ball heavily, which they did.
And I, you know, I thought for a minute there we were going to see a two headed monster with Dylan and Quinn, Sean getting the ball, but it was short lived because he only got one carry and effort. There was a concerted effort to get balls to wide receivers for the very first time all year. I mean, Dylan only completed seven passes in the first half, but six of those seven went to wide receivers, which is just very unusual for this Browns offense to get wide receivers involved.
Dylan also had the longest throw of his short NFL career today, so good job on him. He almost threw the ball for 20 yards.
[00:12:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I will give credit here today. We give, we give a lot of shit all the time about not, not sticking with the run even when it's, you know, not necessarily getting them anywhere. And we, we did, we stuck with the run the entire game today for the first time that I think I've ever seen with Stefanski as the head coach. So.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I Mean, obviously. I mean, the second half was a disaster once dirt got in, and things changed pretty considerably. I mean, they just didn't.
Would they run, like, 20 plays in the second half altogether? So.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Not a lot.
[00:12:47] Speaker A: It wasn't good.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: It wasn't very many.
But, yeah, it. And it. I don't know. The offense is the offense. I mean, it. That's the worst part about it, is it didn't matter. At the end of the day, it didn't matter who was playing. Like, you know, Shador came in in the second half, and we'll get to that in a minute, because I have a few things to say about just when he got in and what was going on. Yeah.
But.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I'm waiting for, is a shot with Shador.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll talk about it. But my point is, it doesn't matter who runs this offense, because even with Tommy Reese calling plays, you could have a playbook full of plays. Doesn't matter who calls plays. You're still going to have a offense because your playbook is full of plays. So, like, it doesn't matter who's calling plays. It doesn't matter who's running the offense. It's still Kevin Stefanski's offense.
[00:13:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: And this is where we're at. We score 16 points, but, yeah, so, yeah, we'll get to Shador. So. Shador Sanders, when he came in first of all, was insane in the place. Like, both. I think both the Ravens fans and the Browns fans wanted to see him, and everybody went nuts.
[00:13:59] Speaker A: And I think in the stadium, you guys had no idea because Dylan never came out of the locker room because.
[00:14:05] Speaker B: No, we had no idea. I actually.
I heard the crowd. I had just sat down. I. You know, I was like. I said I was in a suite. We had lots of food. It was awesome.
And I went in to get more food, and I was, like, kind of talking to some people, and I came out and I sat down, like, right as the second half was starting, and the guy next to me, like, smacks my arm. He's like, shador's in? I was like, what? And then the crowd went nuts. Everybody just went insane. And I was like, oh, yeah, Shador.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Is in before we. Before we jump to Shador.
I'm pretty sure the play that got Dylan dazed was. And I can't remember if it was a read play at this point, but there just shouldn't be a running play in the playbook for Dylan Gabriel. A designed run for Dylan Gabriel. He's not the type of Quarterback that's going to be able to run the ball during the game on designed runs.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: No, let's, let's, let's be honest about this whole thing.
[00:14:58] Speaker A: When he got a call.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: Yeah. When he got situation, when he got destroyed on that play, I mean, it was brutal looking. I mean, I'm sure it probably looked bad there at home, but like watching it in person and seeing these guys actually like with my own eyes on the field next to him, three of them grab him and basically throw him across the field. I was like, no way. This is, this is like he's got, he's, he's dead. He's dead.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that was a part of the plan to get Shador in the game or what, but I don't know why that would even be in the playbook with a 5 foot 10 corner quarterback that's slight of frame. Like, I just, it's just not a, not a smart decision at all.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: No.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: And, and he's taking enough hits, scrambling to get away from the pass rush. Why would you ever have him in a designed play, a designed run scenario? And, and I know with the read there's, there's an option there. If it was a read. I can't remember now if it was just a reader, a quarterback off tackle. But, but just, it just shouldn't be in the, in, in the conversation.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: Call that play.
[00:15:59] Speaker B: I will say this. If I ever hear somebody say that quarterback size is not a factor, like it's, it doesn't matter. I'm just going to play that play over and over again for him and say if your guy's 5, 7, 190 pounds, he's going to die.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I get worried every time that he drops back and gets hit or sacked that he's going to get crushed.
So to put him out in the open field and just, hey, tackle me, that's just not a good idea.
[00:16:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it was, it was awful. It just was hard to watch in person. And again, you guys probably got like 14 replays of it afterwards too. Especially after they announced that he wasn't coming back the second half.
[00:16:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: And so, I mean, it'll be interesting to see what happens going forward.
You know, obviously Shador came in and let's. We could talk about Shador now. I mean, how did you think Shador looked?
[00:16:50] Speaker A: Are you asking me?
[00:16:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm asking you.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: All right, I'll give you my take.
[00:16:58] Speaker B: I like how you commented for me in the comments.
[00:17:00] Speaker A: Somehow here's here's where I'm at.
Look, there's a lot of reaction right now. There's a lot of overreaction right now. Obviously not the debut that he or. Or we all had planned for.
But, you know, look, he has not been getting a lot of reps in practice. We know that. We know he hasn't practiced with this first team.
And this game plan wasn't a Shador game plan. Right. It was a Dylan Gabriel game plan.
The offense is bad regardless, right? The O line is bad. The receivers are poor. Judkins averaged under 4 yards of carry again today. The scheme is poor, lacks creativity and imagination. And those are all things that Dylan Gabriel's dealing with, too. But I think it's fair that those things didn't help Shador in his first action on the field.
And I'll say, like, that's why I've been on the record for the last couple of weeks now saying, like, I didn't care to see Shador in this offense because it was probably going to look a lot like the dog we've been watching.
So I guess let's. Let's start with the good.
We'll tackle the bad. Because there was very little good, but there was some.
So I thought, you know, the first pass out of the gate, you know, there was a lot of emotion in the stadium. I felt that spoke to just this poise in the moment that he was able to come out and deliver the ball and was on a route that Dylan had missed earlier in the game a couple times, which is a simple flat route, but yeah.
And then, you know, the next couple drives were rough, but used his feet to make plays. I thought he was every bit as mobile and as fast as I've seen Dylan, who's. Who's known for his mobility and that being a part of his game.
And I also didn't worry about him every time he got tackled, that he was going to be smushed like a bug.
The offense in the first half was over six on third downs. Shador was two of eight. So it's not a good number, but it's an improvement to at least have converted something.
And then, you know, I think that the final drive, again, earlier in the game, Dylan completed the longest pass of his career.
Shador immediately topped that in, like, his fourth series. So I thought he made a couple of good, tough throws on that final drive in that he at least made a good read and delivered the ball accurately. And there was a. I'm not done.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Oh, sorry.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: There was a Judy drop, a Fan and drop and the love or Dane drop in the end zone. That all could have been caught. There was probably pass interference on the third and fourth down plays that weren't called.
Also pretty sure Baltimore was offsides on the final play that didn't.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: They were offsides and it was pass interference like you said on Najoku. They were there like a full half a second too soon.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: But them's the breaks, I guess.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: So those, those items, those things did not cost us the game.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: No.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: No.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: And, and I'm again, this isn't even.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: About what the specifically the penalties. The rest of those drops probably cost us the game.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: No, this was just purely just observations on Shadora in general. I mean, I, I, it's, it's a tough spot to be in for any backup quarterback to come in in the second half in a game that you weren't planned to be the starter in. Right. So is the loss on Shador? No. And the win probably wouldn't have been either. I mean the defense played really well throughout. Like there is, it's a team effort here.
But just the observations in general.
But so, so that was the things that I saw that were, I think, positives from anotherwise kind of poor debut.
But then I think when you get to the bad, this was what was concerning to me is that he looked unprepared, which, you know, shame on the coaching staff. Right.
[00:20:32] Speaker B: I'll get there in a second. I've got a whole. Yeah.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: And he did not deal with pressure well. So I think, you know, shame on coaching staff for not having the guy ready. But, but shame on Shador because you've been watching for 11 weeks and when you had the chance, you had an opportunity to go out and change the narrative and control your own destiny here. And he looked like a guy that let the circumstances and the frustration and the noise get to him. And what I mean by that is not that he couldn't call play or couldn't throw the ball.
The skill, I think is there. Jesus. I mean, you could see his eyes on TV going through his reads. Right. The, the problem was that he wasn't in the game plan. He wasn't prepared for what this defense was going to do. He was, he, he prepared. He didn't prepare like he was a snap away from being in the game. He looked like he prepared like a guy that is frustrated and entitled and splant and planned on spending Sunday afternoon feeling bad for himself watching Dylan Gabriel suck up the place for the 15th time so that he could go back to his boys afterward and talk about how unfair it is that he's not getting a fair.
Well, guess what? That shot came today and he didn't meet the moment. He was totally unprepared for the pressure. Couldn't get through his reads fast enough. He put the ball on the ground, he threw a pick, got caught up in that intentional grounding scenario that put his punter on his own boundary. That caused the 39 yard punt that gave way to the Mark Andrews.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: End around. Anyway, that pretty much sealed the game.
And so, you know, that was all bad. And then. And when he couldn't get to his reads, he tucked the ball and ran, which is good because it's responsible, but bad because that's what overwhelmed rookies do. That's what, that's what Charlie Fry did. Right. Like that's you tuck it in run because you don't have a better.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: Don't know what else to do. Yeah.
[00:22:18] Speaker A: The footwork was messy. Too much falling back, not stepping up into the pocket to, you know, and into pressure to clear throwing lanes.
And so that's. That's what was disappointing. Like he had a golden opportunity to be legendary and he showed up to the test without studying. And that's the most concerning thing of all because, you know, I don't put a lot of stock into the noise and the social media hysteria. You're a grown ass man. Take care of your business.
But tonight he played right into the narrative by not doing everything he could to be as prepared as possible, leveraging all the resources he does have, and not taking his preparations seriously enough to be ready for the moment, which was his moment today.
That's where I'm at on Shador.
[00:23:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of. I have a lot of the same thoughts on him. A couple things that I wanted to talk about. You mentioned the throws at the end, right.
And there was some. Some drops, some pastor fearance, whatever the case might have been. That passer France, that wasn't called the one that I want to point out. I saw. I heard a lot of people in the stadium kind of groaning and yelling at Shador for. They're like, oh, you missed him. He was wide open. Is the one before the Laverdane dropped and it was a broken play. Like they came in both. Both ends got around completely untouched and he had to bail out to the left side and then he threw it to the corner of the end zone. It was a great ball.
The receiver did not see that it was a broken play quick enough and he got Stuck inside, and he didn't get out fast enough.
Shadora was throwing it to where only his guy could catch it, but his guy didn't get it, didn't flip his hips and get to the outside fast enough. So that was open credit to Baltimore.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: Because when they changed gears entirely in the second half, they pretty much were stacking the line with seven, eight guys on the line of scrimmage before every play.
They were stopping the run and they were bringing the pressure.
And that's smart, right? They knew they had a rookie quarterback that wasn't prepared to play, that wasn't in a game plan that everyone knows hasn't been practicing, hasn't practiced with the first team. So it was smart to bring six and seven guys because that was ultimately the, you know, what did him in, because there was pressure on every play and in space. And again, like, I can't. I'm not excusing Shador's, you know, being bad because he had pressure. You have to deal with that as a quarterback. But. But they totally changed their game plan defensively and just got after him. I mean, they pinned their ears back and got after him, and guys were free runners. I mean, Kyle Hamilton walked through the line untouched a couple of times there on the interception. He was getting hit as he threw, so I'm sure that was one he wanted to have back because he just. He was getting tackled as he threw the ball. So, you know, those things happen. But you have to. But you have to be prepared for that, and you have to know where your outlets are.
And. And he didn't.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
And. Yeah. So the other thing I wanted to touch on, though, was you. You talked about preparation for this game and the fact that he looked unprepared.
And I guess what I have to say about that is. Yeah, no shit. Kevin Stefanski has come to the podium every week for the past however many weeks and said every time they ask him, is Shador getting any reps with the ones. No.
Well, what did you expect? That, like they said, is. He's.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: He. He.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: Every single time. All Kevin has to say is, well, he's getting some work in the red zone drills that we do. And everybody says, oh, you mean the red zone drills with, like, the backups after practice is over? He's like, yeah, that's the one that.
[00:25:46] Speaker A: Yeah, that they mentioned that on the broadcast, that they have special Shador sessions every Monday and every Saturday.
[00:25:51] Speaker B: They're with all backups.
[00:25:53] Speaker A: Well, just the whole. This. The idea, though, that, like, if you. If a guy is going to be playing at any point. You probably need more reps than that. I mean, take this for anything that anyone does, right? If you're a bowler or a golfer and you're at the top of your game, if you're. If you're Tiger woods, if Tiger woods went from practicing every day of the week to two days a week, and. And instead of hitting 100 balls, he was hitting 22 days a week, would Tiger woods be a very good golfer? Probably not.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: You don't think?
[00:26:22] Speaker A: No, I don't think.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: All right, well.
But yeah, so those were two major things for me. And I just think that goes so deep with, with Kevin Stefanski not practicing him. Like, there's. Whatever is going on. We've talked about this a lot. Whatever is going on. Something is going on where Kevin Stefanski does not like Shador Sanders. And the fact that you.
Like. What did you say last week? I mean, you're Nostradamus over here. You said two weeks ago, he said the only way we're going to see Shador is because the hand is going to be forced. The football gods are going to hurt Dylan Gabriel and Browns fans are going to cheer when he gets hurt because. Not because they want to see Dylan Gabriel hurt, but because they're going to see Shador Sanders. And that's Kevin's fault for not seeing what's in front of him and working with Shador Sanders more or working him in more. Knowing that you have to evaluate both rookies before the end of the season.
And that's exactly what happened. I mean, the whole scenario played out like. Like I said, the. The stadium erupted when he. When everybody realized that he was actually going to be playing, everybody went nuts. Everybody went nuts again. When he had his first completion two plays later or one play later, whatever it was, and then they kind of settled down after he threw a pick and got sacked and all the other bad things that happened. But, yeah, I mean, this is on Kevin, like, this, this whole thing. To me, I don't put this game on Shador. And that's not me being like a Shador Sanders apologist or anything like that. I agree with you. He should have prepared harder. He should have done things. But the fact of the matter is he 100% thought, like, there's no way I'm getting in this game.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, exactly. Well. And look. And when it comes to preparation, too. Right. We've talked about this with John Hughes, ad nauseam from the fact that when he left Cleveland and went to New Orleans that they practiced every scenario that never happened because they wanted to be ready when it did.
You have a quarterback on your team that got in the game today that has not seen enough meaningful reps, and that was very clear just to watch him today. That they weren't. They weren't saying, hey, what's our game plan if Dylan goes down? What. What's the package that we're going to run?
They didn't have a plan for that, and that was evident.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: Well, and that's. Yeah. And that's. My point is that's fine. You could tell me he's not the starter. That's. The fact that you don't even practice him is just insane to me.
And. And then we don't even have a QB3. So let's not even go, like, forget the fact that we were playing with literally no safety net. It was just like, if he gets hurt, then we're just going with, like, a run at random. Running back or wide receiver is going.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: To play with quarterback now, so Wildcat with Quinn, Sean.
[00:28:59] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, don't even get me started with, like. Like, that allows the Ravens to be able to say, yeah, we're bringing all the pressure because if we get to this guy and something happens, it's an easy win the rest of the way.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: Well, and then all those things compound. Right, because you can bring the pressure because none of those receivers scare you. You know, the offensive line is poor.
Cam Robinson went down in the first half, so they had Leviston in at left tackle. So, like, you knew that the. The offensive line was weak. Those receivers don't scare you, and you were doing a good job stopping the run, so why not pin your ears back and come as.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: That's what I would. That was funny. That's what I would have done.
You said silly things there, but, yeah, I just. I don't know. Like, it.
Was it a rough. A rough day for Shador Sanders? Absolutely. And to me, I 100 agree with you. Like, it would have been much nicer as a Browns fan, as somebody who wants the Browns to be good in general.
Like, yeah, it would have been great to see him come in there and take the bull by the horns and say, I've been preparing for this day for weeks. Yeah. And light it up. Did he do that? No.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: No.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: Do I put that solely on him, though? No, because it's just the fact of what. What. What has been going on all season long.
[00:30:18] Speaker A: Agreed.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: I'll even throw Andrew Barry in there. It starts with Andrew Barry because the fact that both these quarterbacks are on the roster and we literally like the only quarter. Oh, the only team ever that just has two rookie quarterbacks as their quarterback. That's what we have. We, we don't have anything. So we just, we have two rookie quarterbacks. That's what we roll with every Sunday.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: According to AI, we're the only team that's ever done that. So, yeah.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: It'S a bold strategy. Let's see if it pays off for him. Cotton.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: I also don't want it to come off like I'm killing Shador here too. I think I'm just trying to be objective, just and, and just provide the observation because, I mean, I think the next question is like, where do we go from here? Right? And, and I know where Stefanski is going. He came out immediately after the game and said, dylan's the starter as soon see.
But, but I can tell you this.
I saw, even in, in a poor performance, I saw Shador do everything that Dylan has been doing poorly for five or six weeks now. Meaning he can suck just as bad.
You know, is Dylan, with the exception of seeing actual arm talent, you know, he can put the ball on a guy. He's not throwing the ball 8 yards over your head or rolling them in the dirt. He can make mistakes, he can take sacks, he can throw picks. Those things are fixable. The difference between the two quarterbacks is that there's actual arm talent. With Shador, the question is, does this coaching staff care and can they prepare and game plan him and put the pieces around him to succeed?
I, I, I, even after today's rough outing, I fully believe Shedor is the better athlete and I think he's the better quarterback on the roster.
Yeah, that doesn't mean that he's a franchise quarterback. I just think he's better than Dylan Gabriel.
[00:32:03] Speaker B: No, yeah, I agree. Look, Dylan Gabriel was 7 for 10 today before he went down.
Those three passes that he missed were some of the worst passes I've ever seen in my entire life. And they were on simple throws. Two of them were outs, and I believe the other one was a drag that he just like completely overthrew the guy by like 6 yards. I was like, where's that going?
[00:32:27] Speaker A: And the one that Judy was three feet over his head. Judy had to make a tremendously athletic play just to catch the ball. And then it was elevated in the air when he got hit because he had to go up and get it on a pass that was six yards, like there was no reason for it to be three Feet over.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: No. Any. Anything to the outside of the field. He.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: It.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: It. Just watch him. It looks like he puts everything he possibly has into that throw and it's still. Most of the time is in the dirt.
And the one time, the one time it's not. It's air mailed by a lot.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: Yeah. He just can't throw the ball well.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: So, yeah, I mean arm talent wise, Shador hasn't beat their athletic ability. Shador hasn't beat size. Shador hasn't beat like. I don't. I don't really know. Are you going to tell me that that Dylan Gabriel, Windows 95 is still a supercomputer like that ship sailed. So.
[00:33:15] Speaker A: And I was pleasantly surprised at Shador's mobility. Right. I mean he wasn't Lamar Jackson out there by any means, but.
But I thought he was plenty fast if he had to get out of the pocket and scramble. I think he's agile in the pocket. We saw the spin move a couple times. A couple times it didn't go well. He got sacked back there. But the one time he did get away and rolled out, I think it was on that third down play to Lover Dane Larva Dane that he had to spin and get away. So.
And even on that fourth down play that offsides created immediate pressure that didn't get called. That was the guy that came in and wrecked the play was the guy that was offside. So. And that's why. And Wyatt Taylor was pissed. He was throwing his helmet afterwards.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. James. James Frank actually said a little bit ago, he said, I've never seen Wyatt Teller that loud and vocal. I thought he was going to try to fight the refs. Yeah, it sure looked like it at the game too. And every time he said something, he had a point. And I think the biggest thing and why it started to boil over on that last. Last play on offense for the Browns is because he had been pointing it out the entire game. He's like, this guy's going off sides, this guy's lining up offsides. This guy's getting cross, you know, whatever. Nothing's getting called.
And then they do it on the penultimate play of the game.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:24] Speaker B: And nobody says any credit.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: Wyatt made a pretty athletic move to fence him to get back and just fence him for a second to give Shador a second to get rid of the ball.
But that guy came in as basically a free rusher. I mean he. Before anybody else did. And why it was.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: Yeah, when you're allowed to start before anyone else, it's not really fair.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: But yeah, I mean, what are we doing here?
[00:34:43] Speaker B: So it's kind of the reason there's a rule, right?
But yeah, I mean, so, yeah, Wyatt Teller was up, and I was really hoping that would turn into a fight just because I love it when division rivals fight each other. I was like. I was like, let's go. Let's go. Right now. Everybody fight each other.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: I don't really want White Taylor getting suspended for the next game, so.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Oh, why not? We're gonna lose anyways.
Yeah, I know. We got the Raiders. We're gonna lose. Just spoiler alert.
[00:35:10] Speaker A: Let me tell you this. The Browns were winning or leading for most of the game, and at zero point, did I have any faith that we.
[00:35:17] Speaker B: I feel the same. Like, I was excited when they kept somehow coming up with plays to keep them ahead, but I was like, something's happening. I will say this, too. I will say this too. When they punted and the punt was muffed and we recovered it right by the end zone, I actually said, right before that punt, I looked at my wife and I said, I have a bad feeling about this. And then it went our way and I was like, no way.
Like, this is great. And then we didn't do anything with it. I don't think so. It didn't matter.
[00:35:43] Speaker A: No. Take the field goal.
[00:35:45] Speaker B: But, yeah, I just, I. I kind of expected us to lose the whole time, even when we were ahead, so.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: Which feels bad. I mean, you'd like to be able to root for your team and get.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: Excited, but it's amazing that the Browns can make the culture. It's amazing that the Browns can make the culture bleed out into the fans. Like, just expect to lose, guys. That's what we do.
[00:36:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
The other thing I'll say too, and again, I know this isn't to be a Shador apologist, but it's just like, I don't know. Clearly there's a rift between Stefanski and Shador.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: Like, maybe fire Stefanski and we'll see what can happen.
[00:36:17] Speaker A: Well, I just like, you know, was. Were. What were they. Were they calling?
You know, if you're Stefanski and you're trying to make an in house point that Chidoro can't run the offense or can't process the information fast enough, what do you do?
[00:36:29] Speaker B: You set him up for failure?
[00:36:31] Speaker A: Do you? Yeah. I mean, are you running stuff potentially? Is he telling Tommy like, hey, I want to see package A and B, because he knows Shador can't run it. Like, I don't know. I Don't want to go down the conspiracy.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: Well, kind of. He kind of did.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: But, you know, is that. Is that a possibility here, that Shador looked bad because maybe the offense wasn't being called for Shador?
I just. I think it's at least within the realm of possibility.
[00:36:55] Speaker B: Well, if there's one thing we know for sure, it's Kevin Stefanski's got, like, one gear and he can't change from it. So if he was calling the game for Dylan Gabriel, it was being called for Dylan Gabriel when Shador Sanders came in, too. Well.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: Right.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: And I know Tommy Reese calls the plays. Again, this is back to my analogy of, you know, all the. If it's. If it's a sandwich, it doesn't matter what ingredients you pull out of it, it's still a sandwich.
[00:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah. If it's Kevin Savansky's playbook by tomorrow's calling, the place, he's still.
[00:37:21] Speaker B: Still. Kevin's fans can play.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Still lives.
[00:37:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And you think they really had any.
Spent even a second game planning for any scenario where anything like this could happen? No.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: Well, no. And then, so we've talked about, Right. I mean, there was clearly no preparation to say, if Shador does get in the game due to injury, what are we going to roll with? I mean, you have to. Even if you didn't like the guy, if you're the head coach of the football team, you would think that you would have a plan B, which is, hey, here's the kind of, you know, 15 to 25 plays that we're going to kind of roll with to, because this is what we have practiced with Shador.
I don't.
[00:37:56] Speaker B: I don't know. Yeah.
So going forward, what do you expect?
I mean, obviously he said he's going with Dylan Gabriel, but how long do you expect that to last?
[00:38:06] Speaker A: Well, I do think it's really interesting because I do think you have a golden opportunity right now. If there is any pressure coming from Andrew Berry or from Jimmy Haslam to get Shador on the field, they have an opportunity here to say, let's not rush Dylan back just because he's cleared in the concussion protocol. You know, we don't know always, you know how those. Those medical conversations go. It wouldn't be unusual for him to be in a concussion protocol for more than one week if they wanted to see Shador in Las Vegas.
So I do think it's really interesting, the fact that Kevin came out immediately after the game and before anybody asked him a question, he said, Dylan Gabriel's Our quarterback.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Dylan's my stutter.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: Totally predictable, but.
But we'll see here. I mean, I think it's really interesting. I mean, I think on some level you have to evaluate Shador Sanders before you go in the next year's draft.
[00:38:59] Speaker B: So I don't want Stefanski a lot of credit.
[00:39:02] Speaker A: You're two and eight. So there's what, seven games left. Do you need to see Dylan Gabriel for seven more games?
Because I think we kind of know what Dylan Gabriel is.
You probably need to get a look at Shador Sanders just to see what is your plan going into next year. And I know there's a lot of people that are excited right now about Fernando Mendoza and Ty Simpson. And I just look, go back and watch last year's game film of Shador and even Dylan Gabriel in college, those guys looked like studs.
It's a different game. It's a different game in college.
The Mendoza stuff, I think is. Is funny because I think if you look at the games that he's played against talented teams, he's been very pedestrian. I know statistically he's done really well. But if you look at the games where I think the first three games of the season, he put up nine or so of his 30 touchdowns, and those were against Indiana State, Kennesaw State and old Dominion. So nine of your 30 touchdowns come against those three teams. Like, I don't know what that does for you.
Ty Simpson at least plays for Alabama and is playing SEC competition. So he's played, I think five, four or five ranked teams already.
But I just don't know that either one of those guys is going to come in and on day one change this franchise. Like, it's got to be just like we're seeing right now, the struggles of Shador and the struggles of Dylan because you're a rookie in the NFL and it's a different game.
[00:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah, we live in Ohio, so most, most of the people that live here are Ohio State fans. So in a few weeks when Ohio State ends up playing Indiana in the Big Ten championship and Mendoza plays real NFL, like multiple NFL players on one defense.
[00:40:52] Speaker A: Guys that are going to be in the.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: And he throws four picks, everybody's going to be like, oh, maybe he's not the guy.
[00:40:56] Speaker A: I mean, look, there's things to like about him. He's. He's got, he's completing a lot of passes, he's throwing a lot of touchdowns, hasn't turned the ball over a lot. He's got a big frame.
I get all those things. And you're going to make all your comparisons to your Josh Allens and that and that's fine. I mean, sometimes you do find those guys and hit on them. I just rookie in the, in the NFL is not an easy job at any position and especially at quarterback. So if you think that's going to solve all the problems, I can tell you that Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders are better quarterbacks today than, than either one of those guys.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And yeah, I mean, James Frank just said, screw the qb. I want offensive tackle and Makai Lennon.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: Well, imagine if you could go into this year's draft and you were looking at guys like Reese from Ohio State to pair next to Miles or Carnell Tate to bring into this wide receiver room. Like, I know those are local guys, but like, but guys like that, right. If you could, if you thought, hey, maybe let's, you know, let Shador run this thing for a year where he's prepared as a starter all off season and we built the game plan around him and we bring in actual first round talent with these picks instead of chasing a quarterback that may or may not pan out in the NFL.
[00:42:09] Speaker B: That's what we do.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: That is worth the next seven weeks to me.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: You're 2 and 8, right? Well, and I just another. James Frank, another comment that he had earlier was he said over his name that they'll elevate Watson fast as hell. I agree with you just for one point. They're gonna elevate Watson and open his practice window as soon as they think they're ready, simply because they need a third quarterback, as evidenced today.
And he'll be the third quarterback. I, I was on the. I, you know, I was on the fence on if we would see Deshaun Watson the rest of the season just because of the complete shit show that we are, are. I'm now of the belief that we absolutely will not see Watson the rest of the season.
And that's simply because one, Kevin Stefanski is convinced that Dylan Gabriel is our franchise quarterback.
And then two, even if he's not, and I, I do think that regardless, he doesn't like Shador Sanders. He doesn't believe in Shador Sanders. And if it gets to a point, as if it's not already there, I mean, we all know it's there, but apparently the Browns from front office and staff don't know it's there.
If it gets to the point where it's like, okay, we're legitimately, like completely looking forward to next year, then they're going to say yeah. We're going to lose as many games as we can. So we don't think Shador Sanders can win games anyway. So we're going to put them out there.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: And we're going to call them. Call them a better. You know, I go back to your conspiracy theories, and we're going to give them a bad. A bunch of bad plays so he could look terrible.
[00:43:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, reading the tea leaves here a little bit, I think.
I think you're right in that it's not Kevin Stefanski's plan to play DeSean Watson. What I would say is, out of the two quarterbacks that are activated right now, desean Watson would be the best of the three.
If you were trying to win a game or two before the end of the year, I think we will see deshaun Watson. So I think if Kevin's job is in jeopardy, I think we will see DeSean Watson before the end of the year. If Kevin has a handshake agreement with Jimmy that says, hey, this year is. This year is what it is, we'll get him next year, we're not going to see desean Watson the rest of the way. He'll let Dylan Gabriel keep stinking it up out there each week, and that's. That's going to be what it is.
And I don't know that we'll see Shador the rest of the way. Even. Even in. I know there was the reports that he's going to play the last four weeks. I don't know that you'll see that. I really don't. I think that Dylan will play the rest of the year if healthy, unless Kevin needs to win two or three games to keep his job. And then I think we'll see desean.
[00:44:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I actually want to come back to this comment that James just left. James, we appreciate all your comments, but you said Tate is good, but Lemon is better.
I'm going to disagree with you.
Lemon's a pretty good athlete, but dude's 511, 195 pounds. I don't want anything to do with him. So I'd rather take Carnell Tate.
[00:45:07] Speaker A: I mean, look, there's a bunch of.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Guys because, you know, the Browns, we're really good at drafting undersized players, and they turn out to be absolute ass.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: So I'm not even stuck on Arvell Reese or Carnell Tate. I did. They just were top of mind because we live in Ohio.
[00:45:20] Speaker B: Well, obviously, I'm just bringing in. I just had to throw that out there because Carnell Tate's like a man.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: And bringing in guys of that pedigree, because here's the thing, okay? Draft Ty Simpson. Draft Simpson or draft Mendoza next year. Bringing them in and put them behind this offensive line and put them with this wide receiver core. Good luck.
[00:45:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: This team is not just a quarterback away.
[00:45:43] Speaker B: No.
All right, so we talked about the. The defense. We talked about the offense. We talked about Shador and Gil Gillen, Dylan Gabriel, new nickname, Little coconut, Little lava lamp Gillen.
You know, whatever.
Yeah. I mean, you know, we talked about Kevin Stefanski, obviously.
I. I don't think it's a surprise. We've been talking about how bad Kevin Stefanski is for four years, so I don't think I've outright said it, but hashtag Fireski. Can we just.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it's just. He's not worth.
Like I said, it's time for that Browns vacation. Like, if you got better things to do on Sunday afternoon, clean out the garage, go to church, do whatever you're gonna do.
[00:46:26] Speaker B: I'm gonna.
[00:46:26] Speaker A: There's no reason to watch this team outside of. To watch Miles break the sack record each week.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm gonna reiterate, Jim Schwartz should be promoted to head coach immediately because then we probably win some games the rest of the season.
Bubba Ventrone still needs to go.
And, yeah, I mean, Cam Robinson got hurt. That's really the only other got. Got hurt. And who. Who is the backup that came in for him because he got smoked the very next play.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: Yeah, KD Levinson. Yeah, that guy's really bad.
[00:46:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he got absolutely smoked on the next play.
A couple times I heard the guy next to me, like, in the second half is in the suite next to us. He's like, talking to some other. He's like, you see 72 get beat? I'm like, oh, that dude's a bad. Like, there's a reason he doesn't play football usually.
[00:47:10] Speaker A: Yeah. You think Shadur was unprepared? That guy definitely was hoping he was going to get through today with just a paycheck.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it was bad. Sorry. You know, whatever. But let's. Let's give our nominees for Dog of the Week. Kenny, we'll start with you because we've been giving you the shaft lately, and you've been. You've been last every time, and you're never allowed to pick who the obvious dog of the week is, so go ahead. Well, I'm. I'm serving it up to you. Are you going to take it?
[00:47:38] Speaker A: I get the low iq Pick this week, I get the four sacks. I'll take Miles Garrett for dog of the week.
[00:47:42] Speaker B: That's fair. That's fair.
I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go. Carson Schwezinger.
Just because that guy, he's a legitimate all pro linebacker in his rookie year. Like, that guy is the best. Like, he might be the best player at his position if he doesn't finish top three, if not top five of the year.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: I mean, that's a shame because he's really good and he. And he's doing it on a high ankle sprain right now.
[00:48:15] Speaker B: Right. And I think that's a. Like, I'll tell you this, the play that sealed it for me. And he had a lot of good plays today. He was all over the place. He had, like, 11 tackles or something like that.
But when he just came up and met Derrick Henry face to face just right in the middle of the line and stuffed him like, no help, no nothing, just a complete solo tackle, I was like, this guy's a man.
[00:48:39] Speaker A: Well, and this isn't to disparage J. Okay. We love J. Okay, here, but we talked recently about just the size difference in those two guys. And, I mean, I think that's.
[00:48:46] Speaker B: That.
[00:48:46] Speaker A: That was a clear example of, like, here's a prototypical middle linebacker. J. Okay, is great, is athletic, can do a lot of different things, very versatile.
Schwerzinger is the archetype of what you wanted.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: That.
[00:48:59] Speaker A: And. And we mentioned Lamar at the top of the show and just the fact that he didn't run a whole lot today, and you called us out on the preview show that you were looking at Schwessinger to be the spy, and he got loose on the very first drive on a scramble, and Swessinger shut him down on that first series, never got loose again. And they were like, all right, I guess we're going to take that out of the game plan today because this guy's fast enough to handle Lamar.
[00:49:23] Speaker B: Yep. He. Lamar ended with four rushes for 10 yards. So, yeah, yeah.
Carson Schweising is the real deal. Like, he's a legitimate first team all Pro as a rookie.
I am. If. If J. Okay. Can make it back. I am.
And be anywhere close to where he was when he went down.
I am very excited about what that linebacking core could do next year. I mean, it's gonna be.
Those are two phenomenal pieces to have.
[00:49:52] Speaker A: I'm not gonna hold my breath on Jok. That was a pretty serious injury, obviously. I mean, we'll see If.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: And let's not forget, like. Like you're talking about. We just talked about size disparity and all that stuff. The same guy, Derek Henry, is the one that Jok tried to, you know, the. Had the. That was the hit that was what did it. Yeah.
[00:50:10] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, he's okay, and we hope he returns, but I. I just don't know that he's ever gonna. I don't know that he'll play again, and if he does, I don't know that he'll be able to play at the same level.
[00:50:21] Speaker B: I wish I could highlight this one James on Facebook. He's a straight up football player. When asked about who he was prepping for, he said, numbers, not names.
So, yeah, it's phenomenal. And then Bones sent in Devin Bush with the pick six, which, I'll tell you this. I didn't talk about this earlier. I just wanted to throw it out there right now.
Devin Bush, when he got that interception, he looked up after he. After he shook off the first tackle, like, the guy was like, all draped on him, and he kind of threw him off. As soon as he got through that, you could see his face. He looked up and he was like, I am so close to the end zone. I cannot miss a pick six here. And nothing was gonna stop him. He's like, I'm never. I might never get this opportunity again.
And he was. He was so excited when he got in.
[00:51:10] Speaker A: That was a determined return.
Yeah, Devin Bush has been a nice pickup.
You know, he's an athletic guy and he's been. He's played a lot, so.
But that was. That was a cool play.
And I know that wasn't Bone Man's skeleton key to victory. He thought we were going to get the scoop and score. But we have been calling for a defensive touchdown basically all year because that's the only way this team can compete is if the defense puts points on the board. So they gave it their all today. They really did. That played well.
[00:51:36] Speaker B: When the Ravens took the lead, I looked at everybody in the suite and I was like, well, that's the game. Offense can't score, and we can't be on defense right now. So, like, I don't know what to tell you.
You know, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but here we are.
And so with that, yeah, Miles Garrett, Carson Schwezinger, Devin Bush. I'll put that graphic up tomorrow so everybody can. Can vote.
Kenny, what are your final thoughts today? Or do you want me to go first?
[00:52:04] Speaker A: Whichever you want you can go first.
[00:52:06] Speaker B: I'll go first. My final thoughts for the day.
It's. It's kind of like one and a half because one's kind of a given.
So first final thought, the given.
Hashtag, fire Stefanski. That's what I'm going with.
But then my main point here, I just miss me, miss me with the Shador hate is my final thought because I saw a lot of things, like, I didn't really participate in too much, like too much back and forth on social media today I might get into it tomorrow, you know, who knows, I might be feeling squirrely. But right now I stayed out of it. I just was kind of reading a lot of, A lot of, you know, posts on, on X and, and different things on social media and people were just destroying Shadora. Most of the people that are destroying Shador are the ones that are like, oh, Shador is not going to be anything, you know, when he, when he gets in there, what makes you think he's going to be the answer? I actually had somebody go back in and quote a tweet from or a post from weeks ago, like at least three weeks ago.
And I commented on, on his. He was talking about Shador is not the answer. And all I said was, how do you know Shador is not the answer? Because he hasn't played.
And then I even followed it up with, it doesn't matter who plays in Kevin Stefanski's offense. The quarterback is going to look bad.
[00:53:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:25] Speaker B: And he quoted that today and he came back at me and said, do you have an update here? And I'm like, yeah, it's still the same.
It's too soon to tell if Shador is the answer because he's played a half and nobody looks good in Kevin Stefanski's offense. So I guess point me, I don't know.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: Like, there's a lot of victory laps going on right now by the shadow.
[00:53:45] Speaker B: And it's just, it's just way too soon. He's played a half.
He didn't prepare. The coaches didn't prepare him.
Like, it's just way too soon. I think if we ever, if we do end up getting a week this season where he gets to prepare all week long as the number one with the number ones, it's going to be a completely different game than what we saw this half do. I think he's going to light it up and, and just be, you know, all world. I don't know. Probably not to be honest with you, but I think it's going to Be much better than what you saw this half.
[00:54:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, look, we documented the fact that it didn't go well. But I'll go back to that last drive because I think once he had his feet under him a little bit, you know, it takes some time. It's the first NFL action he's seen in real, real game. That final drive, he put balls on guys and he had three drops on that series.
So he had the one nice long completion. He had three drops and one of those was the game tying touchdown. So I don't know if you have a real receiver out there. Not disparage Gage Larva Dane, but he had a good receiver out there.
[00:54:49] Speaker B: Maybe a lot of rosters he's not making like, let's be honest here. So.
[00:54:52] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. I mean, if you had a, you know, true number one that you were throwing to that was, you know, a guy that could go up and get a 50, 50 ball, you might come down with that and that ties the game. And then all of a sudden it's a very different story about Shador today because, yeah, he started out kind of rough, but if he tied the game and they went to overtime, it's like, hey, it was a pretty good effort then. So I don't know what else you can do as a quarterback besides put the ball on guys when they drop them. That's not really the quarterback's fault.
[00:55:20] Speaker B: You could be like, who was it a couple years ago that threw the defect deflective pass, caught it and then ran it in for a touchdown?
You know, I'm talking about the highlight is a few years ago, I don't know. But he got had. James got you. He caught it too. He said, he quoted. He put balls on guys.
I laughed.
[00:55:39] Speaker A: He put balls on guys.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: I laughed at it. And then he laughed at it. That's great.
[00:55:43] Speaker A: Football's on guys and if they don't catch them, you don't catch them. I mean, it is what it is.
[00:55:47] Speaker B: It's the game that's phenomenal.
But yeah. Kenny, what's your final thoughts for this one?
[00:55:56] Speaker A: My final thought is, I mean, I don't have any about the Browns because they're a dumpster fire. They're not worth watching right now.
You know, we covered everything there is to talk about the Browns. My final thought is if you are a religious person, praying fella, you know, Bernie, 61 years old over at University Hospitals, the news came in shortly after the game concluded that the liver transplant is scheduled for tomorrow morning at 5am so just thoughts and prayers with, with him and his family and just hope everything goes really well, you know, young, young, young legend at 61, you know, in the brown and orange and just hope that he can reclaim his health and, and get back to doing the things that he loves. So again, just prayers up for Bernie.
[00:56:47] Speaker B: This, this tonight, man, just such a great guy and I mean so much. I mean the interviews he did on the news, he's so, so much life.
So yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you with that.
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We should kick Jimmy in the Jimmy's.
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I want to say I was at the stadium.
The suite was nice.
Drove by the muni on the way in. We didn't tailgate or anything today.
Only the front lot again in the muni was full. So everybody that's like, oh, the muni's going away. You don't care. You'd be there.
And two tickets were $6 today.
The stadium was almost, you know, there was, there was gaps everywhere. The middle section, you know, there's like the lower bowl, the upper bowl and then like the middle, the middle was almost completely empty.
It was, it was cold and windy.
Played into it. The Browns aren't good. Obviously they're not getting any better anytime soon.
And just going to that stadium once again, Madden generic Stadium number 5.
There was literally nothing special about that stadium. I, I'm driving in and I made the comment today. I was like, you know, everybody talks about how sad they're gonna be and whatever. And I'm like, I'm not gonna be sad when this thing gets demolished. Like the Browns have been asked since they've been here. There's hardly any good memories, football related. Like there's good memories of family and friends there, but there's not good memories, football wise. And like, look, this is the stadium. Like I'm not excited to go here. I'm not coming to this thing. Like, man, this is the stadium that I get to go to every time I watch my team. Like there's nothing, nothing special about it.
[00:59:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think it's understandable there people weren't there, that tickets were priced low because the weather because the team's bad. But I agree with you 100%. I mean you can miss me with the. Oh, there's only 29 muni lot tailgates left. All time going to be so sad. You can get drunk in a parking lot anywhere.
[00:59:25] Speaker B: Yeah, the. The last. The last five are going to be the ones that really mean anything.
And even those might not be in the middle of December and January.
[00:59:33] Speaker A: So we'll see if people even show up for that. I mean the front. The front lot is the only lot filled. I mean that's not good.
[00:59:40] Speaker B: Sorry, I almost. I almost forgot to talk about just the stadium experience and how it was just nothing.
The suite was nice. The. The. The company that I won the tickets from took very good care of us Ohio business Machines. But besides that, like the stadium is just not great. Sweets.
[00:59:58] Speaker A: Sweets are always nice. If you think that suite's nice, wait till you see the sweet and.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, I gotta win another one. So I could go check that out.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: We all act like there's some kind of nostalgic attachment to this stadium. We call it the Factory of Sadness.
[01:00:15] Speaker B: Like if nothing else can we would it. Wouldn't it be nice to shrug that for a little while at least. Least until the new one became the Factory of Sadness.
[01:00:22] Speaker A: Right. We can erase the mistake by the lake and we can be the.
I don't know, the.
The park in Brook Park.
[01:00:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, my wife had a billion dollar idea and I don't expect anyone to. Not a billion dollar idea. Like. Like maybe a couple hundred thousand dollar idea.
[01:00:40] Speaker A: Is it to bring Captain Taco back and put him in it?
[01:00:42] Speaker B: No, no, it was actually just to buy some land over like. Like a mile away from the stadium or half a mile away from this where the stadium's gonna be. Just turn it into a parking lot and call it the. Call it the Muni 2 and make Mewtwo with Brown's gear.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: Your.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: Your.
Your logo for the. The parking lot. Because it's the. Me too.
[01:01:00] Speaker A: The branding is good, but that idea is already sailed that all. All that land is going. It's already being sold.
[01:01:06] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's what I meant like the branding part of it. I was like, yeah, they should do that. Nobody's gonna do it, though.
[01:01:12] Speaker A: But poor Captain Taco.
[01:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. But now, now that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect this week?
[01:01:21] Speaker A: Oh, what can you expect this week? We'll be back on Thursday with our normal show Previewing the Week 12 matchup with the Raiders and another Brown Spacker interview, TBD and all the other things. You listen to the burner for sportscast for like the same takes over and over and over and over again.
[01:01:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Spoiler alert. The Browns are not going to beat the Raiders. We're going out west. People haven't won since like 2003.
[01:01:51] Speaker A: So this is probably our.
I mean, we get two shots left. You got Tennessee and you got Las Vegas. I mean, that's it.
[01:01:57] Speaker B: That's not this one.
[01:01:58] Speaker A: You might have on the.
[01:01:59] Speaker B: It's not this one.
Don't worry. We'll have that for you on Thursday. Show the exact date when they last won out west. And it's going to be a long time ago, let me just tell you that.
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Kenny, that's it.
[01:02:52] Speaker A: That's all I got. Don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[01:02:55] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
Burning river.
Good night, Cleveland.
[01:03:01] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:03:02] Speaker B: Good night, Akron.
