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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam, it's time. Time for the Burning River Sportscast.
Browns are one and four.
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[00:01:05] Speaker A: Did it though? Did it though?
[00:01:08] Speaker B: No, I mean, you said it was gonna happen from the beginning. You got anything else to open the show or should I tell them where they can find the podcast?
[00:01:13] Speaker A: I'm Kenny Thunder, he's Red Hot Ronnie Jams and we're here to do a show.
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Kenny will hold that up here shortly when we talk about it. But on the show, this is what you can look forward to. Recap of today's Week 5 loss in London against the Vikings.
Our nominees for dog of the week. How did Dylan Gabriel look? How did the offense fare with him under center? Did the defense hold up their end of the bargain? How we lost that game, that would point to. No, the defense didn't hold up. And what we can expect the rest of the. As the rest of the season, as things go on, I'm sure there's gonna be more. But let's get things started by reminding everyone to call the burning sportscast hot take hotline.
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[00:03:20] Speaker A: We got a couple that came in.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah. So we'll be. We'll be playing those when we record our. Our episode that comes out on Friday this week.
We'll be recording on Wednesday this week. So it'll be coming out on Friday.
We'll include those. We'll talk about them. I'm sure we're gonna have some good ones in there. You listen to them?
[00:03:40] Speaker A: I mean, of course I listen to them.
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And now, Kenny, the week five recap.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: We lost.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: We did lose. Let's talk about how we lost. We're gonna start with our offense here. Obviously, the big story coming into this week.
Ballist Kevin finally turned it over to the the rookies and Dylan Gabriel got his first start of his career.
Quote from Miles Garrett before the game on Gabriel running the browns offense. He looks like he's been doing it for years.
So, Kenny, I mean, I'll let you start here. What were your thoughts on Dylan Gabriel? Do you think he looks like he's been doing it for years?
And overall, how did he do?
[00:05:12] Speaker A: Well, I think today cemented my overall opinion, which has always been from the time they drafted two rookie quarterbacks, that there was no reason to ever play Joe flacco this season.
You know, was Dylan Gabriel the second coming?
Gabrielle, as our friends in London say?
[00:05:31] Speaker B: London?
[00:05:33] Speaker A: No, he's absolutely not the second coming of anything. He was just the second coming quarterback for the Browns this year.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure all our friends in London stop listening to us after our last episode. Just. Just with our London speak, were we mildly offensive?
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Apologies.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah, sorry, go on, Gabriel.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: But look, was he good?
He was fine. He wasn't great.
You know, I think there's still, you know, I think. Was he competent? I think that's the first question. And I think competent was. Yes. He was able to run the offense, play within the offense.
I mean, shite game plan.
I don't know why it was so overly conservative. I see what you did there now. That was my London speak.
It's just so conservative. I mean, look, we controlled the line of scrimmage, we ran the ball well. So it was. All the things that Dylan Gabriel needed to be successful were happening.
And I just don't understand why.
I mean, Dylan Gabriel completed 19 passes today.
Five of those were to wide receivers. Two of those were on the final drive with 25 seconds left. So for the entire game, he completed three passes to wide receivers. Like, stop me if you've heard that about the Browns offense before. The rest of the passes went to tight ends and. And running backs, and they were effectively extensions of the run game. Right? They were, you know, quick rollouts. It was good to see his mobility. That was something that was lacking with. With Joe Flacco for sure. But.
But they were, you know, tight underneath passes, a little screen type actions, and there just wasn't a whole lot of complexity going on there.
You know, it's kind of funny. That's a lot of what, you know, Shador takes rap for is a lot of his production came on underneath and screen passes to, you know, athletes that made big plays.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: If only there was an offense somewhere where that was like, based around underneath passes. Like. Like, I don't know.
[00:07:35] Speaker A: But that being said, well, and then I think the biggest concern of the day is, look, the guy is 5 foot 7 and I think that was.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Blatantly his nickname, Hawaii Five Nine. At least give him the two inches.
[00:07:50] Speaker A: He's getting shorter.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: By the way, I scoured the Internet today because I saw like computer and a couple of these other dumb nicknames that people came up with. And I was like, these are awful. Hawaii Five Nine is way better. That's his name. Hawaii Five Nine.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: Five Nine.
[00:08:04] Speaker A: So anyway, he's five foot seven and I think blatantly he's. That's blatantly obvious when he tries to throw the ball Downfield because every time he did he air milled the ball, which is a lot to do I think with launch angles, trying to get the ball over offensive linemen and just not having the chemistry and accuracy and consistency to land those throws or the touch needed to land those. I mean plenty of arm strength. There were some throws that he made in a couple of tight windows here and there.
The touchdown to and Joku was a nice throw, but by and large, I think that is the most concerning aspect of his game right now is anything that he had to throw over the line of scrimmage was air mailed. I mean, not even close. I mean the third down at the end of the game. Right. I mean, you know, that was, they needed to keep the clock running and you can, you can live with a dump off there. You can't live with air milling the ball 30ft over everyone's.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: That was the time where you don't do that.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that wasn't the. Let's take a gamble here and see if we can make something happen. That was, hey, we might win this game if we can control the clock here and run some time down the clock.
[00:09:15] Speaker B: Don't even get into the clocks. That's a whole different thing that we're going to talk about later.
[00:09:18] Speaker A: Agreed. No, I'm just saying, I mean it was a part of, that was the, the most concerning part of Dylan Gabriel's game today was just the fact that he had a really hard time with those down the field throws.
But otherwise, like, you know, encouraging first performance for a rookie. I mean again, I think it kind of solidified everything that we knew about him. Like he does get the ball out quickly. He, he's good at those. You know, one read where you have a guy underneath, you know, he, we saw him, you know, use his feet a little bit to make plays. Like all those things that we knew about him coming in were cemented today.
I just don't know what his ceiling is. I don't know if he's a, a, a QB one in the NFL.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: Five foot nine.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: You know, I think he, that's the ceiling.
Yeah, I think he offers you more than Joe Flacco offers you right now, which isn't a whole lot.
But it wasn't like we couldn't move the ball on offense and Quinte John was a big part of that today. And, but, but Dylan overall, I mean just a very, you know, mediocre but competent performance, I thought.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I, I mean I, I agree with basically your entire assessment.
I mean that's kind of where I was at with it. I wasn't overwhelmed. I wasn't underwhelmed by any mean. I was like, oh, these are competent rookie quarterback. Like he's still learning. There's some things that need worked out that he's going to get better at as time goes on.
It's, and I'll say this, especially with a piecemeal offensive line that's not very good.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: A receiving core that is just God awful.
You know, Najoku showed up today, but pretty much everybody else was same old, same old.
Yeah, I mean I thought he did a pretty good job. He kept his composure. He didn't look rattled the whole game in my opinion. Other people might disagree with that, but I didn't think he looked rattled at all.
I just to. To piggyback off of your, you know, Hawaii Five nine talk and him air mailing passes. You didn't even talk about the three or at least three or four that I counted that got batted down or swatted at the line of scrimmage.
And it's just very concerning, especially when you do have that piecemeal line that's, that's terrible. And just letting people get, you know, penetrate up the field and get in his face like that's not a recipe for success. If those guys get, the closer they get to him, the worse off he's going to be because he's short. And so like the, the. What's the average, you know, whatever the average time is getting to quarterbacks is like, like two seconds or less or whatever it is that average time actually shrinks for him because as they get closer, they're able to get their hands up and knock passes down.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Well. And look, there's, there's a reason tall guys played the, the position. Right.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: I mean, there's a reason why on the offensive line and defensive line there's.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: A reason why the list of shorter stature quarterbacks that have had success in this league is very small. I know we talk a lot of trash about Russell Wilson, but Russell Wilson was one of those guys that played in a smaller frame and was able to make it work. Drew Brees, another one. But like, those guys are the exception to the rule. They were extremely gifted at being able to, to create launch angles and passing lanes and use their feet and athleticism to buy themselves time in the pocket and find passing lanes.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: You know what else? Most of those guys had pretty good offensive lines.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And good coaching too.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Don't jump the gun there. We got a whole segment on that.
[00:12:49] Speaker A: But I think.
And so I think they just. Just in general, the list of those guys is very small.
You know, no pun intended. Very small for the small type quarterbacks that have had success in this league. So you really have to be extremely, extremely gifted and proficient in everything that you do to be. To elevate to be a qb, one that elevates those around you.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I like that last comment that just came in.
Yeah, F. Stefanski in two different continents. Yes, I would agree with that.
Look. Yeah, and we'll get into. Don't worry. Don't worry, Dewey. We'll get into Stefanski here in a little bit. We got a whole portion of the shows just dedicated to him.
I will disagree with that last part, though. Schwartz and Barry. Absolutely not. Schwartz and somebody. Probably not Andrew Barry.
I could. I could get on board with that.
Shorts actually wouldn't be my top pick for. For head coach. But, you know, that's a whole different topic.
But yeah, I mean, so, I mean, we're in agreeance, right? Dylan Gabriel, like, I can. I can concede that you were probably right. Like, you know, I was optimistic that we would get a little bit out of Joe this year and maybe bridge the gap just in the first part of the season, but we didn't. We didn't get anything out of him. So what this shows us is this goes back to Kevin Stefanski and that coaching staff is. You mean to tell me, coming out the gate, you couldn't see that Dylan Gabriel was just as good as Joe Flacco?
[00:14:23] Speaker A: 100%.
And I think. And that's the real damn shame of the whole thing, right? Because the Browns are one in four, you can't tell me that Dylan Gabriel couldn't have gotten this Browns team to 1 and 4. And if you had four NFL starts under your belt today against a team that was missing their starting quarterback, their starting running back, one of their starting linebackers, like this was their winnable offensive line.
Yeah, the whole interior of the offensive line. This was a winnable game on multiple fronts. And this was a game where if a guy did have a month of NFL football under his belt and was starting to develop, starting to mature, starting to build chemistry with his teammates, I mean, you put him in the worst possible situation. Look, we all called for it. We all said, Joe Flacco need a bench. But to literally take your team 3,500 miles away, play at a weird time in front of fans that, you know, the. The, you know, maybe 20% was Browns fans, and the rest of the stadium is kind of either Vikings fans or any other team in the NFL.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: Like, which is weird because we were the home team, but it felt like we were the away team in this one.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I just, I like literally the most difficult circumstance imaginable. You put your 5 foot 7 quarterback in that situation and said, go out there and let's see what you got.
So just again, my whole point is.
[00:15:40] Speaker B: Like, I just love he shrinks.
[00:15:42] Speaker A: This should have been the day one plan because you have two rookie quarterbacks and, you know, if he continues to play just like that, I think you have to at the buy, look at putting Shador in just to see what you have. I mean, this team's not going anywhere. You could be, you know, 2 and 7 or whatever here at the end of October when their buy comes around like.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Well, I'm with you. I mean, I don't so far. Although I will say that the Dylan Gabriel had a fine debut. I'm not ready to sit here and say he's the future of the franchise either. So to your point, I think if we're still one and whatever at the break or even two and whatever at the break, you have to at least think about it. That's not to say you can't come back to, to Dylan Gabriel if Shador is asked.
[00:16:31] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I'd almost like to see him alternate and just prepare a game plan for each quarterback.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: If. I mean, let's just embrace it. It kind of felt like.
And we'll get to the defense here in a minute, but it kind of felt like you were going for a loss today anyways, so, you know, why don't.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: They certainly coached for a loss. They didn't coach to win.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Two other aspects of the game that we'll get into, but let's, let's round out the offense here. Quinch on Judkins. First Browns player to rush for over 100 yards in a game in 30 games.
November 12, 2023. Jerome Ford was the last one out.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: Yeah. So he's.
[00:17:10] Speaker A: Look, he's. He's one of the lone bright spots on this offense. We've been saying it for the last couple of weeks like, that dude is a, is a gamer.
He's. He's afforded himself very well in the start of this season here, you know.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Well, now I think what you're starting to see.
I texted you during the game because you said, wow, Quinn, Shawn's having a good game. And I said, well, his, his preseason is basically over now because he wasn't with the team all preseason he wasn't getting reps and now he's been in there three games. So it's like now he's getting towards the end of the preseason and getting into regular season four. So.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah, and he was doing that all with very little passing game, a ton of penalties on the offense, so it wasn't like he had a ton of help out there. But, you know, his hands look good. You know, he's, he's running hard. He's very explosive out of the gate. I love, you know, everything I've seen from him. His, his first few steps are insanely explosive and he's able to create separation in. In piles of guys and bounce those runs outside and gas, you know, inside. So, you know, very impressed and very encouraged with what I've seen from him so far. On the flip side of that, I'm very discouraged by a. The lack of playing time and be the production that we've got out of Dylan Sampson over the last several weeks as well.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: And that's no fault of Dylan Sampson.
Yeah, it's. It's just crazy to me that they continue to try and force Jerome Ford down everybody's throats. Like he's going to be any sort of running back in the NFL. It's been like six years. Like, the dude's not good.
So.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Which will, I think, come back around in our coaching discussion.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
And then finally on the offensive side, I just wanted to highlight David Ajoku. Finally had a big game for the year. I know they've been really and kind of surprisingly early on in the season, kind of force feeding Harold Fannin Jr.
So that it. And he still got a decent amount of targets today. But David Ajoku with nine targets, six receptions, 67 yards and a touchdown. So a big game from David and Joku in one hurdle. Are you not entertained?
He was excited.
[00:19:16] Speaker A: One hurdle for five yards and he was turned.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it was a pretty, pretty turtle.
[00:19:23] Speaker A: That was a pretty turtle.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: It was, it was a nice hurdle. So I was pretty turned when he did it, but then I was like, yeah, you're right when you put it that way. Kenny, he only got five yards.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: But yeah, he won the super bowl the way that he celebrated.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: Yeah. But it was nice seeing him kind of come alive on offense there. So that, that takes us to the defensive side of the ball before we get to the. The bad, because we're going to get to the bad. I just want to say Carson Schwiesinger, another huge game out of him.
12 tackles just seemed like he was everywhere. He was the one that hurt Carson Wentz at the end of the first half there.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: Just delivered like a.
Devastated. Like he just came in. Carson Wentz thinks he's this big quarterback that's running downhill.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: I mean, what a lack of awareness on Carson Wentz's, you know, front.
Yeah. Rookie backup. Your. Your starting quarterback's already hurt. You're playing to. To be taking on tacklers head on.
You know, the first one, he almost like Mahomes did. Right. Like on. On the first run. And then, you know, I think the defense around him didn't want to hit him because they assumed that he was going to slide and then lowered his shoulder.
Big man. And then. And then did it again, and Schweizer lighted. Lit him up. So I love to see that.
[00:20:42] Speaker B: Well, I was glad that Schweisinger did hit him so hard because I texted right after the previous play, and I was like, this is what's wrong with the NFL is like, Carson Wentz, basically, he didn't put on tv. It looked like he faked the slide and then kept running. And it's like, yeah, he was.
Defense just pull up and be like, I'm not hitting this guy.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: Right?
[00:21:03] Speaker B: And then he almost got the first down off of it. But on the next play, Schwerzinger came in and.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: Yeah, lowered the.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: Or at least a couple plays later. It was really close to that same timeframe. But next up here, Miles Garrett had a fairly quiet day, but he was disruptive.
He did have that. He just missed the sack because they got positive. I think they got one yard out of it, but that was pretty. When he just beat everybody off the line and completely chased down Carson Wentz on the opposite end of the field.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: Yeah. No quitting his game.
He's still.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: Ronnie Hickman all over the place again. I mean, this dude, coming from an undrafted free agent to what he's doing right now is just phenomenal. 10, 10 tackles, six solo tackles, and just everywhere.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: Yeah, this defense has been good all year. Right. I mean, they're the ranked defense in the NFL for a reason. Like, they don't give up a lot of yards or a lot of points.
I think Ronnie Hickman's been a big part of that this year. I think Devin Bush is another one that's had a nice start to the campaign.
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Collins today.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: Collins had a big day. Yeah.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: I mean, this is today, too.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: We knew this. This front seven was going to be formidable, and they have been. And, you know, the defensive backs have been Complimentary. So I don't have a whole lot of things to complain about on this defense. I mean, look, I even. I. I know that, you know, Zell gave up the touchdown there on the final play of the game, essentially, but, you know, he. He played pretty well outside of that. And sometimes in the NFL, you get beat. Those receivers over there in Minnesota are really good.
Carson Wentz isn't, you know, the worst backup quarterback in the league. So that's a guy that at one time played at a really, really high level. So, yeah, you know, a good. A good pass, good route.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: I still remember my old boss telling me the Browns would be kicking themselves for not drafting Carson Wentz because he had his, you know, had a good rookie season and a good second year, and then it fell off a cliff from there.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, once he got hurt, he was just never the same.
[00:23:00] Speaker B: But, yeah, but, yeah, I mean, the defense, again, overall, they were solid. But, I mean, let's get to that last drive. I don't know.
I mean, you. You turn the ball over to the defense, who is solid, who's been doing their job all season long, and you say you've got 80 yards that the other team has to go in less than three minutes to win this game.
At the very least, we'll just tell you, just hold them to a field goal, we can go to overtime.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: And they couldn't do it.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: No. I mean, again, disappointing, but, like, I can't get all over this defense because this defense has played out, showed out all year, and this offense has left them hanging every single game. So I guess, to be fair, disappointing.
I think. I think what was even more disappointing, which.
Which exacerbated the issue today on the defense at the end of the game, was what the hell was Stefanski doing from a clock management perspective?
[00:23:58] Speaker B: Not yet. Not yet. Don't jump it. Nope. We'll get there.
[00:24:01] Speaker A: That, to me, was. Was the difference in the game, not so much the. The defense itself. I mean. Yeah, I think.
[00:24:07] Speaker B: I think mostly the most embarrassing thing on that last drive, besides clock management, which we'll get to, was the final play that they had that. The touchdown to Addison. It was like we just decided we weren't going to run a coverage, we were just going to let him go.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think Zell was all over that at the end of the game. I mean, he owned it. He said, I've got to. I've got to push him inside. I've got to have outside leverage and push him inside.
You know, I can't let a guy that, that talented, you know, have the end zone, the pylon like that. So, yeah, you know, he owned it again. It's hard for me to get all over this defense. It wasn't like the defense gave up 43 points today, you know, like this, this was a winnable game. They, they controlled most of the afternoon or the morning. And if you got a little bit of help from the offense, they're not even in that position. I mean, the drive before that where we turned the ball over and had to punt, like that was, that was the difference in the game. You could have sealed it. The defense never had to come out back out on the field. You could have written that clock down to, you know, 40 seconds and if you, if you could have made it first down or two.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: We didn't want to do that. We, we decided to not force the. They had already used all their timeouts. We decided to not run any clock. We just.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: Yeah, well, the worst thing was because they threw it on third down, they didn't have to take their final. So they still had the one timeout. So.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll get there. And then Andre, Andre Schmidt, special teams hit all his, all his kicks today. So I know we said a couple weeks ago when he missed the long.
Was it the game winner, game tire or whatever it was, they're like, that's not on him, right?
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah, look, I mean if he's missing 55 yarders like, you know it is.
[00:25:46] Speaker B: Last couple weeks he's been fine, so.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: He's been fine.
I guess we were gifted. I don't know. Have you seen the, the Ry Card kick?
[00:25:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Where it hit the. Hit the wire and hit the cable. Yeah.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: Yeah. So I guess we were kind of gifted that. So it's even more.
[00:26:01] Speaker B: We should have lost 2417.
[00:26:03] Speaker A: Well, it would have changed things down the stretch. Right. If it was 1717 because they would have just ran the clock out and kicked a field goal.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:08] Speaker A: And then you probably just would have lost on a walk off kick. So.
[00:26:12] Speaker B: Yep, either way you would have lost and that's a great segue and that's because we're gonna get into coaching now. We've got Kevin Stefanik running the show over here.
Yes. Once again, for anybody that's joining us and is curious as to why I'm staying saying Stefanic is because we don't respect this dude enough to call him Stefanski. I don't, I don't recognize his real name because I have just grown tired of seeing him wreck this team. Over and over again. I don't know how many close games come down to coaching.
You know, most of them. Yeah, most of them is the answer. And if that's what that's during close games, it's not good.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: That's what was so frustrating about today was honestly your offense, your young quarterback, your running backs, the defense.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: Well, we'll get there.
[00:27:05] Speaker A: Everyone played from a player standpoint, played well enough to win that game. Yeah, it was, it was a coaching loss.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: Hold that thought before we get into that part of it. Kenny. So just a couple, a couple headlines or quotes that I want to throw out there. There was a Mary Kay headline right after the game and this was the. I should not. This was the headline. Rookie quarterback Dylan Gabriel unable to finish the job as Vikings win 21:17 on last minute touchdown pass. Browns fall to one in four.
Dylan Gabriel couldn't finish the job.
That was the guy that you're going with.
Listen, just one, a couple things on this. No accountability. Accountability for the coach in Cleveland, like with Cleveland Browns media ever since Stefanik has been here, they like to push blame on players. They like to push blame everywhere else besides Stefanik, even though he's the one that's costing us most of these games.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, if Miles did have a strip sack that he returned for a touchdown, we probably would have won.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: You're right. I'm sorry. I should have. Yeah, we know you're a hall of Famer and we know that you disrupt pretty much every play on defense, but you're. You didn't get a strip sack for. For in return for a touchdown.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: So no scooping score for you.
[00:28:21] Speaker B: I will give some credit to. There are some other like indie outfits out there as far as podcasts and things like that that are finally starting to come around. But finally. Yeah, we've been here. We've been here. How long have we been on the Stefanix Not a good coach train.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: Welcome to the show.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: How long have we been here, Kenny?
[00:28:38] Speaker A: 4 and 18 in his last 22 starts. The team was under 20 points again today.
10 penalties. No accountability for this offense again. 5 receptions by wide receivers. Like the game plan isn't good, the decision making is poor, the clock management.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: Is awful and these problems are not new. They've been here. Even I know everybody's get, you know all the, all his defenders like to point to. He's two time coach of the year. Even in the years that he won coach of the year, all these problems were still there. Yeah, his offense has never been Great.
It's been, at best, it's been like, okay, it's been like middle of the pack.
[00:29:18] Speaker A: No, what really has worn thin and just not worn thin at this point, I mean, totally worn off is there is not a coach who is more aloof in the league in a, in a post game presser.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: I'm stealing my thumb listening to the.
[00:29:35] Speaker A: Radio afterward and one of the first questions they ask Stefanski is, you know, do you have a grade on Dylan Gabriel's performance? How do you think he did?
And basically couldn't come up with anything to say. Basically said, we're going to go back and watch the tape. You know, he had some rookie mistakes here and there, but like, you don't have, you don't have anything to say there at all. And then also they asked him about the final play and the touchdown that they gave up to Addison and he basically said, we got to talk about that. Like, no, like I'm not asking you to be savant level like McVeigh, where they asked where you ask him a question three weeks after a game and he goes, oh, you mean on third and 19 with, you know, three minutes and, and 16 seconds left and we had two timeouts and we were driving trying to score. Like, I don't need that level of recall. I just need something, just something. Did you see the play? Kevin, be a leader. Can you tell us what you saw? What did you see in real time? I know you're going to watch the tape. I know you're going to review with your players.
[00:30:44] Speaker B: I actually don't know that he's going to because of his performances. I don't know that he's going to watch the tape.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: What did you see? Tell us what you saw. That's all I'm asking for. This is not good science. This is not all that complicated. What the hell did you see? That's all I wanted in that moment.
[00:31:04] Speaker B: Yeah, and then I had, I had one more quote before we got too deep into this. RG3 on X after the game, he said the Cleveland Browns had a rookie QB and Dylan Gabriel making his first career start and he threw two touchdowns. No turnovers on foreign soil. Had a rookie running back run for 120 yards, had a. Or 110 yards, had a defense force, two turnovers and get three sacks and they still lost. That's a coaching issue, 100%. Thank you, RG3. Thank you for pointing this out to all the blind folk that we've been just trying to, to, you know, let them know this Whole time like, hey, it's right in front of your face. It's Kevin.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: Metaphorically blind.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: Metaphorically. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for correcting me.
But I.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: It's.
[00:31:49] Speaker B: It's literally right in front of our faces. It has been this entire time.
His offense, like I said, it's the best it's been is middle of the pack in the NFL, the very best it's been. And the worst it's been is dead last. And that's kind of where we trend towards is, is more at the, at the tail end of that.
[00:32:06] Speaker A: So at the risk of going down the Baker train again today.
[00:32:10] Speaker B: You're Good.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: Scored. Scored 38 points through for almost 400 yards and two touchdowns in an absolute shootout. In an absolute shootout. I bet they won to lead another game winning drive, who's now 4 and 1.
The. The Stefanski offense, even with that guy, wasn't all that good.
[00:32:28] Speaker B: Right? That was the best. It was, yeah. And they, I think they finished that year ranked like 12 or 13. Like they weren't like, it's not like they were great. They were just, they were competent.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: Well, we were in a position where we weren't sure if Baker was a top 10, top 15 quarterback. Right. I mean, that's how good the offense was.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: Yep. And so let me, let me just back to Stefanik real quick. Current overall record, 41 and 48, 4 and 18 since the start of last season. Terrible clock management. We'll talk about that again here in a minute. Stagnant offenses. The offense has averaged 13. Right around 13.4 points per game over the last 10 games.
We got a different quarterback who seemingly moved the offense well, but the end result was exactly the same. 17 points in a loss.
But don't worry. To your point earlier, he was out there reassuring everyone that he's got to do a better job. And he will do a better job.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: I'm gonna go back and watch the tape. Yeah, things figured out.
[00:33:23] Speaker B: So, I mean, I just don't understand what is causing people to defend this guy so hard. Like what of everything I just read tells you we have a competent head coach.
[00:33:40] Speaker A: He's been wrong every step of the way.
Every step of the way. Couldn't work out with Baker. Needed desean. Couldn't get desean to work.
You know, we went through a host of other quarterbacks, including today.
Same results. To your point. Right. Less than 20.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: Never changes.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: 10 penalties again today. Double digit penalties.
It's just.
It is, it is coaching malpractice. It is football malpractice. At this point, it is, this man is in over his head. He's been in over his head. He's not a good football coach. He's not a leader of men. I mean, this is not a guy that gets in front of that group and gives rah rah speeches and inspires and transcends the game. Like, this is not that type of guy. So I asked then, what type of guy is he? And we repeatedly get the answer, which is, he's a highly intelligent. He's, you know, I'm sure he processes information quickly and can draw things on a whiteboard very well.
Sure, he has a lot of really creative nomenclature on that play sheet that he's very proud of.
But when it comes to executing on the field and wins and losses and competent decision making, it's not there. It never has been.
And similar to if Dylan Gabriel had started the season, how much further along would he be? The stability, for stability's sake that we have, we would, we would be so much further ahead if we had cut ties with this guy a year ago, two years ago, and started the rebuild. Then we're just going to continue to kick this can down the road. I'm fearful that we're going to do it again into next season.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure we will.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: And we're going to be having this same discussion on what is the date today, October 2nd or 3rd. Like, we're. It's going to be October 5th, 2026, and we're going to be having the same discussion.
[00:35:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure we are.
I don't, I, I don't doubt it at all. Not even a little.
I just. You know what really pissed me off, too. And this is completely outside of just the actual record and everything that's going well, I guess not outside of it, but just in addition to it.
Kevin Stefanik is definitely on the hot seat. Regardless of if anybody wants to admit it here or not, he's on the hot seat. The fact that he is well under.500 at this point, he's going to continue to be well under.500 because they're not going to win many more games this season. And you know what? He does, not that I'm saying you shouldn't do this, but he shows up, taught him Hotspur Stadium. Just his hair is more done than it's ever been.
His beard is just perfect. I was like, this dude knew he was going to be on national television for the London games and he just went all out. Was like, I gotta be as handsome as I'VE ever been.
[00:36:41] Speaker A: Well, I like how he even. He humanized himself this week because we're so used to seeing robotic Kev.
And he told me the Tommy boy joke about Dylan Gabriel playing six years in college. Like he's, you know, Callahan's son.
And it was like. It was like, breaking news. Kevin Stefanski makes a joke.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: Kevin Stefanski has a soul.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: That's the point that we're at with this guy.
Like, oh, man. You see Kevin, he made it funny.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: You know, I just though that. I'll say this. Kevin's probably a fine guy outside of football, but he's a terrible head coach.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: Yeah, look, I'm not here to judge that. I don't care if he's a good dad and a good family man, and he's a good friend and a good neighbor. Like, all those things can be true, and you can still be really bad at your job.
[00:37:23] Speaker B: I just. I just felt back. I said he didn't have a soul.
He probably has a soul.
[00:37:29] Speaker A: He probably has a soul. And that's fine. He just doesn't have a football soul.
[00:37:33] Speaker B: Yeah, fair.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: So, anyway, we are talking about coaching. Can we talk about the sequence of events at the end of the game?
[00:37:41] Speaker B: I mean, talk about it.
[00:37:42] Speaker A: What in the hell?
[00:37:43] Speaker B: I don't know what that was. I've never seen something so ridiculous in my entire life.
Like, I was just. They called the timeout, and I was like, why?
[00:37:54] Speaker A: Why?
[00:37:55] Speaker B: I mean, my initial reaction was, I don't understand this. And then they started to talk about it, and I was like, I guess if they. They're pretty sure they're gonna at least kick a field goal to tie it, then we'll have some time to get our own field goal. I. I could kind of, like, force myself to understand it, but that's the problem, is that's not football. You should have said, these guys have no timeouts. Pedal to the metal.
[00:38:17] Speaker A: Yeah. They've got to decide on the fly. They've got to make quick decisions here. Are they going to make the best decision under pressure and under duress and under a time crunch? Or should we give them a few minutes to think about it?
[00:38:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what we wanted to do.
[00:38:30] Speaker A: Come up with a plan also separate from the coaching issue.
What the hell was the call? Because I don't know. I never even questioned that. The guy was tackled out of bounds. He was clearly tackled. A yard and a half inbounds.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: The clock should have just kept running. It should have never been a question about. Oh, yeah, whistles or Whatever else like, that. He wasn't tackled out of bounds.
[00:38:53] Speaker B: How do we.
[00:38:53] Speaker A: How are we at this point that the refereeing in 2025 is still so bad that we don't have lasers and AI and the booth upstairs that's supposed to be reviewing these things to get them right on the fly? Like, how did we continue to miss these every week and put games in jeopardy by just making shite calls?
[00:39:14] Speaker B: You did it again.
I don't. I don't know. And it was. I. I just.
It was bad on the ref side when we were on defense. And then you flip it. You know, we're talking about clock management. You flip it over to the offensive side, and we decided with our last play, we were just gonna go down inbounds and end the game. We were like.
Like, that's. I understand what you're trying to do, but that's. That's. To me, that's another incident of Kevin Stefanik trying to outsmart the thinking he's the smartest guy in the room. And that DB was all over it. He was like, I ain't having this.
I ain't having this shite. But why not just toss it to.
[00:39:51] Speaker A: The end zone again, right?
[00:39:51] Speaker B: I mean, he just did it a second ago, and he clearly could make it all the way to the end zone. And all you're gonna do if you pick up those yards is he might be able to throw, you know, a sharper pass to the end zone, but it won't matter because there's gonna be more defenders now because you're closer to the end zone.
[00:40:06] Speaker A: Right?
[00:40:07] Speaker B: So I just don't understand what the thinking was. I mean, we weren't winning the game regardless, so I guess it doesn't really matter. But, like, why. Why instead. Instead of just losing the game, which is already embarrassing. Embarrassing enough considering where we were just a few minutes before that on a failed Hail Mary. And they're like, oh, you didn't get the Hail Mary like that. Instead, we were even further embarrassed because we just went out of. We just. I mean, you were gifted down in bounce.
[00:40:34] Speaker A: You were gifted a second chance at it, and you were like, no, we don't want it. Don't need that.
Why would we want to throw it.
[00:40:41] Speaker B: 20 yards and fall down?
[00:40:42] Speaker A: Why would we want to try again?
[00:40:45] Speaker B: Yeah, we just accept the loss at this point.
[00:40:48] Speaker A: Trying to lose this game now for the last five minutes. Why would I want to try? I can win it again.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: And you're talking about all these conspiracy theorists, like. Like, you know well. And I Guess not even conspiracy theorists. Just. Just people that think the Browns are tanking for a draft pick. Like, this is. The stuff that fuels that fire is you literally just threw it 20 yards and didn't even attempt to win the game.
[00:41:10] Speaker A: I still help.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: Not to mention, not to mention. I know Zell took. Took blame for it, but am I wrong? The. The past Addison looked like a busted coverage. Completely. Like it looked just done.
[00:41:20] Speaker A: Like, I just think he. He thought he was in a better position than he was. I think he thought there's no way he's going to thread the needle over my head. That if he gets this ball anywhere close, I'll be able to reach it in the air.
So maybe just a miscalculation on his.
[00:41:36] Speaker B: End, but back to the clock management. Sorry I had to. But yeah, I just. I don't know what that. I don't know what any of that was. Any of it. Like, I just was so confused. I'm watching it and I'm just. You know the cartoon where like you just see like the steam or like the. Their heads start boiling and the steam starts shooting out there. Like that was me the last few minutes of the game. And luckily we're on at 9:30 and not, not, you know, one o' clock this afternoon or else I'd probably be yelling right now. But I've had some time to decompress and I'm okay now.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: I have. I have one final indictment on this coaching staff, which is the first pass that they threw with 25 seconds left, the first pass they threw to Isaiah Bond kind of in the middle of the field. You know, you remember the recall to play.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:42:22] Speaker A: Isaiah Bond gets up and motions first down, bro. There are 25 seconds left in this game and you don't have time.
[00:42:33] Speaker B: It just speaks to.
[00:42:35] Speaker A: We do it. How.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:36] Speaker A: How is there that level of a lack of awareness with your football team?
How is. Those are the things that, you know when you. After the score and you're going to have a change of possession, those are the things that your coaching staff should be hammering into every single person's head. Guys, no timeouts, 25 seconds. Like we get this. If you get tackled in bounds, you get the ball spotted with the referee as quickly as possible and you get on the line and get ready to spike this thing.
[00:43:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:05] Speaker A: There isn't three seconds for you to celebrate, bro.
[00:43:09] Speaker B: I don't. I think this goes back to what I want in a head coach for the Cleveland Browns is somebody that holds their players accountable like that. That speaks to the lack of accountability on this team, the lack of discipline. Like these guys do whatever the hell they want and I know they're pro athletes and they're going to do what they want regardless. But that's the time where Kevin Stefanik steps in and he says, no, we're going to nip this in the bud. This, this shite won't happen anymore.
[00:43:36] Speaker A: Yeah, like here's the thing.
I like the move for Isaiah Bond. I like, we need receiver help. I think he's going to be, he could be a good player if he doesn't sit out. The first half of next week's game is like, hey, like dumbass, what are you doing? Like, there should be a statement.
[00:43:51] Speaker B: They won stuff.
[00:43:52] Speaker A: There should be a statement made. You know who doesn't have a lack of accountability? The Minnesota Vikings. Because did you catch this story about Jordan Edison?
[00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah, go ahead.
[00:44:02] Speaker A: That, that he didn't want to do team activities apparently and wanted to go out and explore London on his own. And you know what Kevin o' Connell said, you're not starting the game. And you know who won, who made the game winning catch in the fourth quarter when all the chips were on the table? Jordan Addison. Because Message received, Coach. I'm going to do the right things and I'm going to make up for my mistakes.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't, we don't believe in that accountability.
[00:44:32] Speaker A: Never heard of her.
[00:44:33] Speaker B: No.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: No.
[00:44:34] Speaker B: Never heard of her.
Not once. Not never. Yeah, I mean that's our lives, right?
[00:44:39] Speaker A: Everything about this team and this organization is lacking. And it's so frustrating because it doesn't have to be this way. They make this so much harder on themselves, then this game has to be. This isn't rocket science, Kev.
When the other team has a minute left and we're deciding between taking a timeout or not, like there's no reason to. They're already in field goal position. Like this game is going to overtime. Like let them have to decide on the fly. What are we taking a timeout for? Well, we want to present that 10 second prevent that 10 second runoff.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: For what?
[00:45:20] Speaker A: You know what, that would have been really helpful. When Jamari Thrash got the ball on the 30 yard line, it fell down.
[00:45:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
You know what is funny? I've been, I say all the time because typically the clock management issues for, for Kevin, because again, these problems aren't new.
They've been around for a long time. I've been saying for probably years at this point, why do we always go into like the end of the half the End of the game, and we just have three timeouts. We just don't ever use them. Well, he finally listened to our show, and then he was like, I'm gonna use all of them right now.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: I mean, for a guy with an Ivy League education, he coaches. He coaches. Like, the highest grade he completed was preschool. Like, I don't understand it. This is not complicated stuff. This is maybe if you X's and.
[00:46:10] Speaker B: O's, if you spent more time studying clock management and less time at the barbershop, you'd probably be doing all right.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: Just for men.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
Always perfectly lined up. He's got to be in the. The. I know that most of the teams have, like, their own personal barber that's, like, in the locker room all the time. He's probably. Everybody on the team probably gets pissed at Kevin. They're like, kevin, I would like to.
[00:46:37] Speaker A: Get a hair turn. Kevin, it's the third time today you've been in the chair.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: How many times do they have to square your beard up? Every day. I just don't understand it.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: This is very handsome, though.
Very.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I was making fun of him. Like I said at the beginning of the game when they were showing him on the sideline, I was like, kevin just Fanick put gel in his hair and everything. And he's got it real. He's looking good. And I was like, I just. Like, you got better things. And my wife is like, he looks good.
Like, I'm sure he does.
[00:47:10] Speaker A: He looks great.
[00:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
He just can't coach worth a damn, so.
[00:47:14] Speaker A: Coached poorly.
[00:47:16] Speaker B: All right, that's. That's enough, I guess. Let's silver lining here. Burning over Sportscast. Dog of the week.
We're gonna do our nominees. Kenny, we'll start with you.
You can't steal bones. Bone. Phone to Den.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: Bone. Phone, phone. Bone.
I mean, I've picked Quincy on, like, every week for the last three weeks. I'll go in joker this week. What do you have? Six catches at the touchdown there at the end of the game or near the end of the game, but, you know, and the big hurdle. So it was nice to see him having fun again.
He's one of those big personality guys, right? Like, you don't have that in a head coach, but it makes me wonder.
[00:47:58] Speaker B: If he's feeling it, like, with Fanon playing so well early on or whatever. Like, this isn't as fun as I. I thought.
He's.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: He's one of those, you know, rah rah character guys that can. Can help elevate the locker Room and the guys around him. So, like, I think this. This team desperately needs that because it's devoid in the coaching staff.
So it was good to see him, you know, playing within himself, having fun, making some, you know, athletic plays again.
So I'll go on Joker this week.
[00:48:28] Speaker B: I'm going to go. Since you didn't go with him, I'm going to go with Quin. Sean Judkins, what was. What was his final stat line? Let me bring it up here real quick. It was 110 on, I think 23 carries.
Here it is, 23 carries, 110 yards. And then he added a catch for 18 yards, so good effort out of him. 4.8 yards of carry is solid.
You know, we haven't seen that since. Since Nick Chubb, so.
Since Nick Chubb in his prime, I should say.
And then Bone nominated Malik Collins.
Malik Collins earlier. Two sacks today. So he was getting after it looked good.
Final thoughts? Kenny, you want me to go first? You want to go?
[00:49:12] Speaker A: Yeah, you can go first.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: I actually have two final thoughts. The first one is bonus thought. Yeah, bonus thought.
First one. When is it okay to say Stefanik is the problem?
Because we. We kind. I kind of mentioned it a little bit when we were talking about Stefanik, but most of. Of the Browns media and even a lot of people online are still of this, thinking that, oh, this has been the problem with the Browns forever is we've had no stability.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: We.
[00:49:42] Speaker B: We always change coaches. We always think that's the answer. Well, I got news for all of you. Stability for stability's sake is not good either. Like, if he's. If he's ass as a head coach. So we're just gonna be stable ass. Like I.
Why is that good? We. We read off. You know, I read off all of his stats is 41 and 48 right now, 4 and 18. Since the start of last season, the offense has averaged 13.4 points per game over the last 10 games. We switched out quarterbacks. Dylan Gabriel played well, and we still only managed 17 points. Again, you had a running back that rushed for 110 yards. You had a defense that forced two turnovers. Guess what? The Browns had no turnovers today.
You had a defensive force, two turnovers, got three sacks, and we still scored 17 points.
That's what we do. So at what point is it okay to say Stefanik, the offensive guru, the quarterback whisperer is the problem and not be looked at sideways like, oh, you just want to do this all over again? No, I don't want to. I really don't like. That's the last thing I want to do.
[00:50:48] Speaker A: I wish the fancy was good.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I wish he was good. At this point, that's all we got.
So.
Yeah.
[00:50:56] Speaker A: Was that one thought or two?
[00:50:57] Speaker B: That was one. Number two. Number two.
I wore this shirt for a reason. I just want to reiterate. We almost always, almost when we never win though, Kenny.
[00:51:13] Speaker A: You know, every week we get on this show and we recap the games, we preview next week and we try to be upbeat in the face of adversity and certain death.
You know, I think there's always that, that background level of optimism that, you know, hey, this schedule is going to soften up here. Like, you know, maybe Dylan Gabriel comes out and shows us something.
You know, maybe things could turn around for this team.
You know, maybe there is some level of, of stability here that is good and maybe things, maybe Stefanski will finally get this thing right.
This boils down to trust.
That's my final thought, is trust. And my question is, who do you trust right now in this organization?
Because I think if you would have asked that question at the beginning of the year, a lot of people would have said, we trust Joe Flacco. You know, we trust Kevin. We still think Kevin's a good head coach.
Kevin was wrong about Baker, couldn't figure out how to plug him into the offense. Andrew Berry was wrong about Baker. They went to desean thinking that was the answer. That was a whole lot of baggage for nothing. Couldn't figure out how to work him in the offense when he was able to play.
Double digit penalties again today. We've been through all the numbers, right? Less than 20 points, 4 and 18 in those last 22 games.
Who do you trust?
What level of trust do you have in this front office, in this coaching staff to make the right decisions? What level of trust do you have in them to determine that Dylan Gabriel is the better of the two rookies, that Shador isn't ready yet?
I ask this because I have bad news for you. Like, Kevin should be on his way out the door. And so if you are attached to Dylan Gabriel, if you are attached to, to Shador Sanders, I just don't see that working out for you very well. Because this thing is going to end in a clean house scenario. It almost has to. You can't have this level of futility, continue for this long and make no changes. Because if you're Jimmy, how do you continue to trust these guys?
So I just, I don't have that layer of trust. I'm almost of the thought of like imagine if you did have a coaching staff that thought she door was great and was building a game plan around him and was putting pieces around him to succeed.
You don't have that. You have a coach that was forced into having this guy on your roster. You have a coach that hasn't been able to figure out how to get any quarterbacks to play well here.
There is no trust left with this coaching staff.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: No.
[00:54:18] Speaker A: None.
[00:54:20] Speaker B: Fair.
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[00:55:04] Speaker A: What can we expect this week? We will our normal show that is usually released on Thursday programming note being released on on Friday this week. So we will be previewing Steelers week the Week 6 game against Schittsburg.
We'll also delight you with another Browns backers interview TBD on who and when.
But we'll be out there this week and then of course all the other things you listen to the Burning River Sportscast for. You know us complaining about the Browns week in and week out and hearing the same takes over and over and over and over again.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: I bet the skeleton key to victory is going to be turnovers.
[00:55:45] Speaker A: I mean we got the skeleton key today. We had two turnovers and I'm starting.
[00:55:49] Speaker B: To wonder if the skeleton key is is legit or not because we need a new key. Yeah. Don't forget to check us out on social media. Tapping Media is on Facebook X and Instagram at the tab Media and Burning Ever Sportscast. That's this. This podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, tick tock and YouTube at burning burning River Sportscast and on X at Burning River Pod. You can find our podcast wherever we get your podcast. Talking to Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music Stitcher Pandora I Heart Radio Podcast Castro Good pods where we are number one ranked football podcast and so many more. And please, please, please, please leave us reviews on your podcast app of choice that helps us get seen.
That's all I got, man.
[00:56:28] Speaker A: Burning River Sportscast.
[00:56:33] Speaker B: No, it's not time for that.
[00:56:34] Speaker A: Oh, you're right.
Bon appetit.
Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[00:56:42] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
[00:56:46] Speaker A: Burning River Sports. Yes. Burning River River.
Good night, Cleveland.
[00:56:52] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland. Good night, Akron.
[00:56:57] Speaker A: Sam.
[00:57:22] Speaker B: It.
