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[00:01:03] Speaker A: Foreign for the Burning River Sportscast, the matchup is set. Chiefs, Eagles. Do we know how high these Eagles can fly, or will we see history play itself out in a Kansas City threesome? Philadelphia was impressive in their win over Washington, putting up 55 points, but it looks like it may take a Trump executive order to stop the Chiefs their run of dominance. One thing is for certain. It's the Super Bowl. No one wanted to watch. By the way, do you think Tay Tay calls Travis Trav or Kels or T? Or you think she keeps it proper? Like, you sure played splendid today, Travis.
What a superlative effort tonight. Travis Kelce.
[00:01:55] Speaker C: Am I supposed to answer that now?
[00:01:57] Speaker A: Travis? You know, it's one of those weird words when you think of it, like, say it over and over again. Travis.
[00:02:01] Speaker D: I think she says Travis Just doesn't sound real.
[00:02:03] Speaker C: I didn't want to interrupt the monologue.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: Meanwhile, back in Brownstown, success has never seemed further away. Questions abound, resolutions elude, and we'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:22] Speaker C: You guys ever seen Big Ben?
[00:02:24] Speaker A: Only when he played for Pittsburgh.
[00:02:26] Speaker D: Yeah, he was the biggest at the end of his career.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Where you want to be? We pay you to do nothing.
[00:02:33] Speaker D: Are idiots. You want to go there?
[00:02:35] Speaker C: He barely played. And when he did play, he played terrible.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: Their worst.
[00:02:39] Speaker C: Yeah, they couldn't even move the ball.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: Too much money. The Bengals are just giving it away.
[00:02:43] Speaker C: You want to know the best part? He gets it all.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: He gets it all.
[00:02:46] Speaker C: It doesn't matter what happens.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: He can make all the tik toks he wants now.
[00:02:50] Speaker C: We could probably get you a fully guaranteed rookie contract.
[00:02:52] Speaker A: Probably. Why not?
[00:02:54] Speaker C: Don't smoke crack.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: It's funny how quickly the Big Ten caught up to the SEC teams once you were legally allowed to pay the players.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: He's a guy that you don't want running a lot.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: There's no reason why 20 men should ever have dinner together, period.
A book.
[00:03:14] Speaker D: A book I recently have been reading is American Crucifixion, the murder of Joseph Smith and the Fate of the Mormon Church. So I watched this show.
[00:03:23] Speaker C: Heavy.
[00:03:24] Speaker D: I watched this show about where we.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: Go with your bones, what he does for his.
[00:03:29] Speaker C: This is what I do in my spare time. Why are there so many different pastas? And why do they all seem to taste different? I like the big ones. I like the big ones. Hot Take Hotline 330. Did I make soup wrong? Let me know. 3, 3 0, 2, 2 7, 8, 0, 8, 0.
[00:03:45] Speaker D: Oh, that's me. 3, 3, 0. Oh, he's gone. 33 0, 2, 2, 7, 8, 0,8.
[00:03:50] Speaker C: 0, 3, 3 0, 2,2, 7, 8, 0.
I didn't see a reaction for the spaghetti. I thought that was.
[00:03:56] Speaker D: I thought you'd be amazed about the spaghetti.
[00:03:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Being spaghettified.
[00:04:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:01] Speaker D: It doesn't sound good.
[00:04:02] Speaker C: All right. I just. There was a lack of response from Bone, and I didn't like it.
[00:04:07] Speaker A: Captain Insano shows no mercy.
[00:04:09] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: Welcome into the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tappin Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. If all the farts in the world joined forces and became human, they would smell better than him. He's red hot. Ronnie jams. Ronnie. 70 of men, they say watch porn before bed. What did the other 30% do?
[00:04:37] Speaker C: Oh, man, you don't ever put me on the spot. Now you did Netflix.
Thanks, Bone. He's used to answering these questions. I'm not.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: So you don't know the other 30%.
[00:04:46] Speaker C: They sit on their phone, essentially.
[00:04:47] Speaker A: You don't know. That's the answer. I don't know. So you must be part of the 70% that watch porn for bed on the board today. Nothing gets under his skin.
Nothing gets under his skin like a good Bone pun. He's the big bone man. I get it.
We were just watching the Jurassic World. You guys seen.
[00:05:06] Speaker C: I'm really mad at you that you got me, because I'm not. I wasn't ready for it.
[00:05:09] Speaker D: Chris Pratt.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: You guys seen all the Jurassic Worlds, though? Yeah, this is the last one. Dominion?
[00:05:13] Speaker D: I think so.
[00:05:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: It's got the. The premise, essentially, is that the dinosaurs walk with the humans. Yeah, it was real dumb, huh? Wasn't good. It was cool. They called back the original characters.
[00:05:24] Speaker C: Yeah, that.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: But it got me thinking, you know, why don't dinosaurs talk?
Because they're dead.
Back to red hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest dope they ever heard on a podcast?
[00:05:35] Speaker C: The worst jokes I ever heard, football.
[00:05:37] Speaker A: Podcast, and all the good pods, as well as the unofficial podcast of Cleveland Browns backers everywhere.
[00:05:43] Speaker C: Semantic satiation. That's what it's called when it loses.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: It loses its meaning.
[00:05:48] Speaker C: Yeah, after you say it so many times.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: Travis. Travis. Travis. Travis.
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We're catching you up on Brown's happenings since the end of the regular season because, you know, we're not part of the playoffs. Taking a quick look at the playoffs in the upcoming Super Bowl. Looking forward to free agency in the draft. And we've got our boy Kenny Mack on to bring his five point plan to fix the Cleveland Browns. So let's do what we do look forward to next year and see if we can convince ourselves that somehow it's going to be different.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: It won't be.
[00:06:51] Speaker C: Let's kick things off the way we always do with the bring over news.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: Story of the.
[00:07:06] Speaker C: All right, guys, I got, I got a story about a local kid this week. I call him a kid. He's like, all right, she's a little bit younger than us. He's not really a kid, but probably.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: A lot younger than us.
[00:07:16] Speaker C: No, just a little bit. A few years. Like, like, like five years younger than us. Tanner Scott, local guy and friend of, of my wife' all his hard work throughout his entire career pay off this week. He's a graduate of Holland High School in Warren, Ohio and he just signed a deal with the Dodgers to become their new closer. Four years, $72 million. Dang. So a couple Ferraris. Yeah, yeah, he's doing well. He's doing well. And we've kind of, you know, him being a close friend of my wife's family.
We followed his career since he started. He started with the Orioles. He was drafted in like the, the one of the later rounds. Like they have like a million rounds.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: A nice looking kid.
[00:08:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: Sounds like Tanner Scott would be like.
[00:08:04] Speaker C: The, he just sounds like a baseball player.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: Generic Athlete and Hallmark movie Tanner.
[00:08:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, he is real handsome.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: Got really nice beard, square jaw.
[00:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can't be named Tanner Scott.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: And not look like.
[00:08:18] Speaker C: Not look good. Yeah, yeah. So handsome fella. That wasn't where I was going with this, but. No, it's just we followed his career. He got drafted by the Orioles as kind of at the time, you know, like I said a later. Worked his tail off. And for the Orioles. It was when the Orioles were really bad too, like historically bad. Like they lost like 100 games or more. And he ended up getting traded to the Marlins. For a while I was with the Marlins.
He was trying to figure out like his niche in the game. He ended up being a relief pitcher, a middle relief pitcher. And then later on with the Marlins, they moved him to a closer and he continued being a closer. He got traded to the Padres last year, finished out the season with the Padres and it was named relief pitcher of the month for the, the National League, I think twice so far.
And yeah, he was one of the top closers in baseball down the stretch last year for the Padres, so got rewarded with a huge contract. He's playing for the Dodgers. They spend all the money in the world, so, you know, they've got a chance at the World Series, so it's pretty exciting.
[00:09:27] Speaker A: That wasn't even like any money.
[00:09:28] Speaker C: No. 72 million is like a drop in the bucket to those guys.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: Dug that out of their seats.
[00:09:32] Speaker C: Guys have like close to billion, billion dollar contracts, so.
[00:09:36] Speaker D: But yeah, I had a guy at work bring this dude up the other day. He kind of said the same thing. He's like, oh, my wife knows him and his family or something. I've never heard of him.
[00:09:44] Speaker C: That was, that was part of the reason why I wanted to kind of spotlight him a little bit here is because one, like I said, he's a local kid. But two, my wife's family knows their family pretty well. Just the nicest family ever.
His mom, we. We see her pretty often because his mom is really close friends with my mother in law and just it's. It couldn't happen to better people. Just really cool people.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: And it's easy to be nice when your son's worth $70 million. You don't got problems.
[00:10:11] Speaker C: Listen though, they're. They're so down to earth and like. Yeah, I mean, they don't, they're not, you know, they're not flaunting the 72 million that is their sons.
They just, you know, they're just normal people and It's. It's just pretty cool to see a family.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: If I ever met someone that was worth $7 million and they just had a bad attitude, I'd be like, screw you, bud.
[00:10:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. They don't, though. They're just, like I said, just one of the nicest families I've ever met. And just. Congratulations, Tanner.
Job well done, well earned. Contract.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: And if baseball doesn't work out, Hallmark Channel is always higher.
[00:10:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So one more thing. Before we get to the Browns or what little news of the Browns we have, let me remind everybody, call the Burning River Sportscast.
Remember, these are hot takes. And it is. It is. Currently we're in off season.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: It's hot take season.
[00:11:00] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. It's time for the draft. It's time for free agency. There's a lot of opinions about all this stuff, especially since the Browns are back where we belong with a top five pick and. Yeah, just give us a call, let us know.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: The Browns have a lot of work to do if they want to right the ship here, so we'll take all opinions and all thoughts because we're curious. How do you turn this thing around?
[00:11:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:24] Speaker D: I just hope they bring back the shot.
[00:11:28] Speaker A: Get out joke of the day immediately.
[00:11:33] Speaker C: I mean, I just. I'm still just like on cloud nine from the news.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: I'm shook.
[00:11:38] Speaker C: I'm still.
I'm still on cloud nine from the news that. I know this is going to be unpopular because, like, you shouldn't cheer for injuries, but, like, I'm glad we don't have to deal with them all next season. I'm not. I'm not glad that he. He ruptured his Achilles again. I'm just glad that fair. Okay. Bone is. If Bone says it's okay, I'm with him.
I'm glad that we don't have to deal with him at all all of next season. So I, Besides this, besides the contract.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: Never want to see the guy again.
[00:12:06] Speaker C: But, yeah, hot takes on the Hot Take Hotline.
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[00:12:17] Speaker C: Call us now.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: Yeah, now.
[00:12:20] Speaker C: All right. And that'll take us to the Burning River Rundown.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: No. Stop what you're doing. Call us now and then go to.
[00:12:24] Speaker C: The Burning River Rundown.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: Okay? Yeah.
[00:12:32] Speaker C: All right, guys. So it basically off season for us. So the Burning River Rundown is back. We're just gonna lump all of the Browns news into this, and this will continue throughout the off season until training camp starts again. So first up here, Tommy Reese has taken over as the new oc. Kenny, I think you called this. As soon as they announced, like, the initial candidates, you're like, it's Tommy Reese. He's the only one that's going to do whatever Kevin Stefanski tells him.
[00:12:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think. I think I kind of hit the head on this a few weeks back, which is Kevin obviously wanted to take play calling back.
[00:13:02] Speaker C: He did.
[00:13:03] Speaker A: That was announced and he.
They needed. They weren't going to go out and find. You weren't going to find like a Norv Turner out there that was going to be like, sure, I'll be your yes man offensive coordinator again. Like, they needed somebody that they could control. There would be a yes man that will offer just enough that they could justify giving him a new title and paying him more. And that guy is Tommy Reese. And Tommy Reese, not saying anything bad about come on down. Tommy Reese seems to have, like, a nice resume that he's been building. It seems like he's an up and comer. A guy that has had a lot of conversations about maybe one day being a head coach. And that's all good and fine, but Tommy Reese right now is going to do what Kevin Stefanski's yes man is an offensive coordinator. Yes.
[00:13:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:45] Speaker A: So, yeah, I don't, I don't know that we're going to get like all hot and bothered in the shorts over this. Like it's Tommy Reese.
[00:13:50] Speaker C: No.
[00:13:50] Speaker A: And again, this is essentially Kevin Stefanski taking back over the offense.
[00:13:53] Speaker C: Yeah. And I said it quickly, so in case you didn't catch it, it has been announced Kevin Stefanski will be resuming play calling too. So it's exactly what you said it was going to be.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:03] Speaker C: Next up here, the Browns are set to host a game in London next season, which, funny enough, you said, I mean, this. It does happen. But you, you kind of said as soon as they announced like the home. How many home games versus away games, you're like, I bet one of our home games gonna be in London.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it's got the nine at home.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: Yep. So. So, yeah, we will be hosting a game in London. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out. I actually enjoy watching the London games. Just any, any games overseas because the fans are so into it.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Well, true fans already got the London packages set up, so.
[00:14:31] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're. We are. You know, we're in talks with True fan to continue our relationship.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: And true fan wants to, you know.
[00:14:37] Speaker C: True fan a big, huge promo.
If you want to keep us on so we can promote the London game and potentially go to it.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: We would love.
[00:14:45] Speaker C: We would love who I think you.
[00:14:47] Speaker D: Should win the Super Bowl? The Eagles guys. I just love Philadelphia Eagles because the.
[00:14:52] Speaker C: True fan travel guys are from Philly.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: We are rooting for the Eagles.
[00:14:56] Speaker C: I like that. Good.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Philadelphia Browns.
[00:14:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I like it. In case. In case you guys are listening, my.
[00:15:02] Speaker A: Favorite food is cheesesteak.
[00:15:04] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:04] Speaker A: Period.
[00:15:05] Speaker C: Cheesesteak is so good.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: So good.
[00:15:07] Speaker D: And how about that Liberty Bell?
[00:15:08] Speaker A: Jeez. Whiz.
Independence, homes. Yeah.
[00:15:12] Speaker C: And then as far as trips, you know. You guys ever seen Big Ben?
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Only when he played for Pittsburgh.
[00:15:18] Speaker D: He was the biggest at the end of his career.
[00:15:21] Speaker C: The biggest crybaby.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: The big Big Mac.
[00:15:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
True fan travel. Send us to. Send us to London.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: We want to go. Love to join you in London.
[00:15:31] Speaker C: Either way, we want to talk about it because it's going to be great, but absolutely. Truefantravel.com go ahead and check out the.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: Transfer make away games, home games.
[00:15:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:42] Speaker A: True fan travel.
[00:15:44] Speaker C: All right, next up here, Miles Garrett was named a finalist for defensive player of the year. He's not gonna win it this year, guys.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Numbers just weren't there.
[00:15:51] Speaker C: But I mean, it's. It's impressive. Just the fact that, like, he has a down season and he's like defensive player of the year finalist.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: I mean, it's like Susan Lucci. You get. You get nominated every year. You don't always win.
[00:15:59] Speaker C: Yeah, but he is nominated. Who's the DB is going to win it this year? What's his name? Which one was the top db?
I can't think of a name off top of my head.
Yeah, Bono. Fact check him later. But the DB's gonna win this year anyways.
With the Bills losing the losing in the playoffs this past week, the Amari Cooper trade has now has a pick number attached to it. It's number 94.
And so that gives the Browns four picks in the top 100. But I will say this before we get to the four picks in the top 100. I don't like Andrew Barry and I think he should be gone. I'm fed. I'm done with the Andrew Barry experiment. He's really good at moving money around the cap issues that he created. But I bring him up to say he did do a good job with the trade. When all said and done and we fleeced two different teams for Amari Cooper, we got him for what, a fifth or a sixth round pick from Dallas. He proceeded to catch for 2400 yards while he was here and then we traded him away for a third rounder and a swap of a sixth and a seventh round. And he proceeded to play eight games and only catch for 220 yards.
[00:17:19] Speaker A: So is it.
[00:17:21] Speaker D: It's a Pat Sir Tan.
[00:17:23] Speaker C: That's the one.
[00:17:24] Speaker D: Which. I think he, I think he got it. Did you guys say he got it?
[00:17:27] Speaker C: No, he's. They don't announce him. They announced him this week.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: Is it this week or is it the night before the Super Bowl?
[00:17:32] Speaker C: It might. I think it is. They do the award ceremony now? Yeah. And it's the night before the super bowl, so. Yeah, it's. It hasn't been announced. He's just a finalist.
[00:17:39] Speaker D: Oh, he's a, he's named. He's the 101 awards defensive, whatever the hell that means.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: Yeah, he's going to win it. He's. He's the top, top defensive player this year by far. But.
But yeah. So the Amari Cooper trade though, just, that's all concluded though.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: 94. You know what 94 looks like to me?
[00:17:55] Speaker C: What running back looks like?
[00:17:57] Speaker A: Number 18.
[00:18:01] Speaker C: Scarlet and Gray, Will Howard. Will Howard.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Good place to take a guy like Will Howard in a core in a quarterback down year where you don't have a quarterback for.
[00:18:10] Speaker C: Don't talk too much about this.
I have a whole thing written up about this for later.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: That feels like a safe place to bank a pick on Will. How.
[00:18:19] Speaker C: I agree. I agree. So we'll see what it turns into. Once, once the pick is made, then we know for sure what the actual trade was. So next up here in the Burning River Rundown, Mary Kay Cabot confirmed this past week that if Nick Chubb isn't playing on a minimum or close to a minimum deal next year, then he will not be playing for Cleveland.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: Well, look, I mean, we've been on the Nick Chubb countdown for almost two years now. I mean, really, as soon as he got hurt. Hurt.
[00:18:45] Speaker C: I mean, I was surprised that they brought him back after the, the knee injury, to be honest with you. Not surprised that they brought him back, but surprised that they brought him back with as many incentives as they. They gave him.
[00:18:54] Speaker A: And, and they, and to be fair to, to Nick and for fans out there, like, they did the right thing by him once. Right. They did the right thing this year with the contract and the incentives giving him an opportunity to not get shafted because he got injured the year before.
[00:19:09] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: So they're really not under any obligation to outside of, you know, we all know Nick's done a ton Cleveland, we all love Nick and we all know.
[00:19:18] Speaker C: The fans are going to be upset if he goes regardless right when he leaves Cleveland.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: But, but organizationally, administratively, they don't owe him anything beyond what they've already done.
As much as that sucks to, to be like the realization, it's, it's the truth. Like at some point your players turn 30, they get injuries and you know, they're just not the same. So for them to go out there and put some kind of big contract out there, like when they're already cash strapped, they've got a lot of holes all over. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when you got four picks in the top 100 that you could potentially kind of replace him with now. You know, I don't know. I think, I think the running back market this year, look, I mean Saquon is a huge reason why the Eagles are now in the Super Bowl. We've talked all year about the resurgence, the renaissance of the NFL running back. There probably is somebody that will be willing to pay Nick Chubb dub more than.
[00:20:15] Speaker C: Well, and that's the thing. That's the thing is like you got teams that are willing to take a chance that maybe you're. I don't think he's getting a long term and I don't even mean, I mean long term. Like I don't think he gets anything more than a two year deal.
[00:20:26] Speaker A: Yeah, but a two year deal for a guy that's about to turn 30 isn't, isn't terrible.
[00:20:30] Speaker C: I agree. But, but with that, what I'm saying is like I don't think the Browns are willing to give him more than one year either.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Agreed. And, and I think that's what I'm saying. I don't think it would take a lot to get him. Right. A two year, 8 million dollar, 10 million dollar deal would be probably more.
[00:20:43] Speaker C: Than the Browns are going to be.
[00:20:44] Speaker A: Way more than the Browns are going to want to offer.
[00:20:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I think, I think Max, the Browns are looking at like a one year, like $2 million deal.
[00:20:50] Speaker A: I mean, I would be surprised if the Browns do bring him back. Like I would be excited and you.
[00:20:54] Speaker C: Can do the same thing again. You can, you can put a bunch of incentives on it. If you're the Browns, like that's the upside for them is they can say, yeah, if you rush for a thousand yards again, we'll give you an extra million and Then it's like a $3 million.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: The one wild card that I'll throw out there is. I think Nick legitimately likes playing in Cleveland.
[00:21:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: And I think, I mean, going back to the letter that he wrote on his initial return from injury, maybe you have a little bit of, like, Jose Ramirez thing right there where he's like, you know what? Like, I, I, I want to finish my career as a Brown. I don't have any interest in going to Miami or to Las Vegas or somewhere else that, you know, it's been kind of rumored to be looking at him right now. Maybe he just wants to finish his career in Cleveland. Maybe. Maybe, you know, at some point internally, too, you start to know the end is coming sooner rather than later.
[00:21:39] Speaker C: Well, maybe to him, he's, like, looking at it at more as, like, you know, he knows where his body's at, especially after the latest broken ankle or it ended up being like, he knows where his body's at and how recovery is going. So maybe he's looking at it as, you know, guys, I'm, I'm a really good spellback at this point. Like, I'm, I'm the number two guy. I'm not gonna be more bell Cow back. I'm gonna be the guy that takes.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: On, like, a more Ezekiel Elliott type of role.
[00:22:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: Of late.
[00:22:05] Speaker C: And if you can get somebody, there's quite a few running backs in this draft. If you can get somebody that's kind of a stud and then you make, you split them 50, 50 to start and then give more to the, the, the main guy as time goes.
[00:22:15] Speaker A: But maybe he's like, I'm totally healthy now. My foot's fine, and I'm good to go. And I'm.
[00:22:19] Speaker C: We'll see. It'll be interesting this year. So it'll be. I can't blame the organization or Nick Chub for either direction they take.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: I, I would just say, like, for me personally, like, no matter how this plays out, like, there's no hard feelings either way. Do I want the Browns to keep him? Sure do. I understand the business case why you wouldn't. Absolutely. And for Nick, honestly, probably the best thing that could happen to you is to get the hell out of Cleveland. Go play for someone that has a chance to win some football games.
[00:22:44] Speaker C: I'll tell you what, if he behind one of these teams that's a contender with a good line, like, there's no reason he's not going to rush for a thousand yards again.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Sure. I'm sure Washington could. Would have liked him on Sunday.
[00:22:54] Speaker D: You like seriously healthy Nick Chubb, you know?
[00:22:58] Speaker C: Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, they got a.
[00:22:59] Speaker A: Couple other backs there. Like if they could. If they could preserve Nick Chubb. And Nick Chubb runs for 6, 700 yards on the season out there. But then he becomes a bell count the playoffs. Like, hey, look, you're going to balls out for three or four games. Like, he probably has that left in him for sure.
[00:23:12] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. So either way, we'll, we'll monitor the situation. I know. We'll make an announcement as soon as any news comes from Nick Chubb's camp or from the Browns regarding Nick Chubb.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: That being said, we love Nick Chubb.
[00:23:26] Speaker C: We love Nick Chubby.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: One of our favorite Browns of all time right here.
[00:23:29] Speaker C: His jersey's right here. He's. He's my. He's legitimately my favorite Cleveland Brown of all time.
[00:23:33] Speaker A: Watching, Watching Nick Chubb carry the football is a joy. Was. Was like watching our hurt.
[00:23:39] Speaker C: Yeah. The way that, like, I'm pretty sure this is no exaggeration. I know. I'm comparing him to the best running back in NFL history who also happened to be a Cleveland Brown. This is probably what people felt like watching Jim Brown play 100. Like when. Before Nick Chubb's injuries. Like, that's what you feel like. No, no matter what he's. Every game, you're like, how does he do these things?
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, there was a reason why we were calling for him to get more than 13 to 14 carries a game because he was, he was the best part of what we were watching.
[00:24:07] Speaker C: That's probably the biggest disservice to him is that he ended up on Stefanski offense where he got 13, 14 carries a game.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: He was getting 20 and 22 carries a game every game. He'd probably be 10,000 yard back already.
[00:24:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
Real quick here. Just some quick roster moves. All cuts. Tight end Cameron Leu, running back Aiden Robbins. Looks like that's not going to pan out. They'll probably sign him to the practice squad again, but offensive lineman Jvon Cohen, offensive lineman Cameron Tom, and wide receiver Jalen Gill, all gone. But those are all. I mean, I know those are minor names, but just. Just of note.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, you figure they gotta. Those are some of the, like, administrative things they gotta do to kind of prepare for the draft. And it's like you guys that just aren't going anywhere. And yeah, I'm sure that those names will pop up again from time to time over the next two years here. Just with, with practice squad Deals and things.
[00:24:56] Speaker C: Yep. And then finally here in the Burning river rundown, a lot of talk about Shador Sanders being drafted for the Browns at number two. And I know he recently came out, was like, look, despite all the rumors out there that his dad wouldn't let him go to Cleveland, he kind of said, whoever drafts me, I'm going to happy to play for him because I'm just excited about the opportunity.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: It seems like that's kind of how it goes always, right? Like, there was a lot of that noise around Caleb Williams, and he's not.
[00:25:20] Speaker C: Going to play for Chicago.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: Chicago, I want a piece of ownership of the franchise, all that stuff. But ultimately you start to realize, and I don't know what that kick in the pants is, but, like, at some point somebody probably sits you down and goes, you have a chance that most people don't have. Your agent, your agent, somebody is setting these kids right before draft day, which is good because you realize, like, you're about to. You're about to be an NFL quarterback, which means not only are you going to be the most important person on the field, you're going to have this. All the, you know, all the, you know, media and all this stuff. You're also potentially going to make generational wealth out of this, and you're going to make nice wealth with your first deal. But if you show up and play well over your first three, four years, like, you're going to get, I mean, go back 25 years. It was funny, I was just watching the Replacements the other day and Tate Martell.
[00:26:09] Speaker C: Great movie.
[00:26:10] Speaker A: Great movie. They were striking over $5 million a year. Wasn't enough money. 5 million.
[00:26:15] Speaker C: And it was, it was accurate to the times, right?
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it was the late 90s, like, early 2000s. 5 million. I mean, these guys are making. Well, think of the 5 million.
[00:26:24] Speaker C: Think of all the. The alumni that we've interviewed. They didn't make anything like, oh, yeah, like a lot of them had other jobs, especially the guys from the 70s. Yeah, like, they had other jobs because.
[00:26:33] Speaker A: You couldn't live on cars in the offseason. But yeah, I mean, like, when you have the option.
[00:26:39] Speaker C: I know that's a long time ago, but I'm just saying. I'm saying, like, extrapolate that. Like, oh, like we've come.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: Like, that's what I'm saying. So when someone sits you down and goes, you know, if you just do the right thing, like, you could stand to make $200 million, like, that's a lottery ticket that most people don't have access to.
[00:26:53] Speaker C: I don't have access to it.
[00:26:54] Speaker D: It's like, look what they gave to Sean Chador.
[00:26:56] Speaker A: Right, Right. And he wasn't even good.
[00:26:59] Speaker C: They barely played after that play. Yeah, yeah.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Where you want to be? We pay you to do nothing.
[00:27:04] Speaker D: These guys are idiots. You want to go there?
[00:27:06] Speaker C: He barely played. And when he did play, he played terrible words. Yeah.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: They couldn the ball much money. The pounds are just giving it away.
[00:27:15] Speaker C: You want to know the best part? He gets it all. It doesn't matter what happens.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: He can make all the tik toks he wants now.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: He could probably get you a fully guaranteed rookie contract.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: Probably. Why not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, look, Sanders, come on down. I know there's. I know there's a lot of talk to about people that are just disenfranchised with Sanders family in general. Right. Obviously they're coming. Comes a bit of a media circus with prime time and the whole deal.
[00:27:43] Speaker C: I think a lot of it is not real.
[00:27:45] Speaker A: I. I just look at. I'm just. I'm just trying to like, limit the scope to Shadur because I think the same thing happens once he gets in the NFL. Like as much as as Dion wants to talk, like you get, you gotta. You gotta toe that line between like, am I gonna hurt my son's career? And I think he will.
He will stop. So he doesn't hurt his son's career.
[00:28:04] Speaker C: I agree.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: And. And I look at Cheder and I go look at the quarterbacks that were left in the last round of the playoffs. You had Jaden Daniels, you had Jalen Hurts, you had Josh Allen and you had. Who am I missing? Patty Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes. All guys that are mobile quarterbacks in the NFL that can run it just as much as they can throw it. And it just, it's such a dichotomous like offense. When you go back 20 years and look at the guys that were in the AFC NFC championship games were Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, you know, big strong pocket pass quarter. You have to have one of these guys now that looks like Lamar Jackson, looks like Jaden Daniels. To compete just with the way offenses have evolved, defenses have evolved. That is so crucial to an NFL offense now to have a guy when it's third and nine and you have to have a first down, then when.
[00:28:55] Speaker C: A play breaks down now you have two options.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: Can. Can convert the. Keep the drive alive.
[00:28:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Because a lot of these guys scramble to throw too. So it's like you have two options now. You can Pass or throw. It just makes your offense that much more lethal.
[00:29:07] Speaker A: So I look at the guy, like shadow, and I say, at least he kind of fits the archetype of what you need. And it may be. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But I just. I'm trying to separate, like, yeah, if he was. If he was Shadur Smith, like, would people be as. Like, oh, I don't want to take Shader Smith as second overall. No, they only don't want to do it because Hedur said.
[00:29:27] Speaker C: Yeah. And I'll say this. What I was getting at was, I think it's fake. I think the media makes up most of the nonsense that surrounds that. Because he's prime time and because he's a big name, I think the media creates stories, like, I watched some of their stuff where he's talking to the locker room. Like, he seems like he sends the right message everywhere. Like, he tells them, like, you can't dress a certain way. You can't dress like you're. You're. You know, you just got out of bed when you're going to class. Like, he makes them behave like young men.
He talks to him about, like, how to handle themselves in the media, how to do things the right way, how to handle themselves with their family, friends, whatever the case may be. And he also, when he's interviewed, asked about his son and. And all these things about, like, oh, they said you wouldn't let him play in Cleveland. He's like, it' that's ridiculous. Like, why would I not let my son play somewhere that doesn't make. He's going to the NFL. This is. This is his journey, his dream.
[00:30:16] Speaker A: Like, and say what you want about Dion, too. I mean, look, what he did was at Jackson State or wherever, and now in Colorado, like, he's wins. He's winning there.
[00:30:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:24] Speaker A: Is he winning national achievement? Like, okay, that's hard to do, but did he turn those programs around and make them legitimate programs again? Absolutely.
[00:30:32] Speaker C: All that being said, I will caveat that with, I'm one of the people that says, I don't want Shador Sanders at number two. But that's just me. That's neither here nor there. All right, so that'll do it for the Burning River Rundown this week, and that'll take us to Hot3.
[00:30:47] Speaker A: In your lungs I'm the smoke in the sky I'm the gas in the tank Gonna turn it up, turn it.
[00:30:53] Speaker C: Up I'm hot to the touch Burning.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Up I'm hot Hot to the touch.
[00:30:58] Speaker C: I'm Hot to the touch. Burning up. I'm hot. It's gotta be testicular cancer. Yeah.
All right, guys. So for this week on the Hot 3 3, we've got athlete movie cameos. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: We stick with cameos because I just did. I just did sports figures and movies.
[00:31:22] Speaker C: I did cameos.
[00:31:23] Speaker D: That works.
[00:31:24] Speaker C: We'll let you slide. You don't know what you're talking about, but we'll let you slide.
I specifically said when we were talking about this, it can't be a leading.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: Role, but not a leading role. But there's roles that are not leading roles that are movies that aren't cameos. A cameo. A cameo. Cameo is what. Who's the guy that does all the comic book stuff? Stan Lee. That's a cameo. He shows up for two seconds in a film. That's a cameo. Having lines is not a cameo.
[00:31:49] Speaker C: I mean, by definition, it is.
[00:31:51] Speaker A: No, if you have lines, it's not a cameo.
[00:31:53] Speaker C: If you look up some of the ones, I'm gonna say they have lines, and it's considered a cameo.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: I disagree with your definition of cameo, especially looking at your list. Like, these are. These are, like. They're. They're characters in the movie. Maybe this one isn't, but the other two are for sure that they have to play themselves. They're seen multiple times.
[00:32:14] Speaker D: They play themselves in the movie or not.
[00:32:17] Speaker C: I mean, my number one. I know exactly.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: There's a lot of rules here. Now.
[00:32:21] Speaker C: I don't care.
[00:32:22] Speaker A: Bone. Who are you?
[00:32:23] Speaker D: Who are your.
[00:32:24] Speaker C: Who are your hot three athlete movie cameos?
[00:32:27] Speaker D: Okay. You actually brought this one up, and I was like, that. That was fantastic. It's Mike Tyson in the head hangover when he punches Stu in the face.
That is just so funny. And then he was just fantastic in. In the movie as well.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: Love Mike Tyson the hangover. Disagree that that's a cameo. He's in multiple scenes. Like. Like, he's. He's in. He's in. He's in the hotel. They go back to his house. He shows up in another movie.
[00:32:54] Speaker C: It's not a. I would actually agree with you in this scenario, but none of.
[00:32:58] Speaker D: Neither.
[00:32:59] Speaker C: None of my guys that are on my list or anything like that, but he does play himself anyways. Mike Tys.
I love it. I love it. Let's say anything besides a leading role in the movie.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: Yeah, that's sports figures.
[00:33:13] Speaker C: Sports figures in movies. Not being the leading.
[00:33:16] Speaker D: That was my original thought of this entire segment.
[00:33:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So I like Mike Tyson at number Three. That's a good one because that movie's hilarious.
[00:33:23] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:33:24] Speaker D: I went. Dan Marino, Ace Ventura, Pet Detective.
[00:33:27] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:33:27] Speaker D: You're weird. You're a weird guy, Ace. I love that line. It's just so fun. Funny.
He even gets in on the. The. The Finkel. Like, I made out with the dude. Yeah. He's like. He's like washing his mouth out, too, at the end when everybody's, like, washing their mouths out.
[00:33:43] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: Make that joke today.
[00:33:47] Speaker C: Right. You can't Most of. Most of Jim Carrey's movies from that time frame. He can't make today. So good.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: That's why he's retired.
[00:33:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:53] Speaker D: And then just because.
[00:33:55] Speaker C: Not for Dr. Robotnik or whatever his name is. Yeah.
[00:33:59] Speaker D: I'm a little. I put this at number one because it's the first one I thought of, but I still think it's really good. Brett Favrein, something about Mary. He's like the other guy who he's kind of competing with. With Mary, it's like Brett Favre. And it's just the best. Kind of shows up at the end like.
[00:34:13] Speaker A: Like the first time you see there's something about Mary. Like, you came up. Comes out of nowhere. Like, we're not like. Well, they talk about your guy is Brett Favre. Yeah.
[00:34:23] Speaker D: They talk about the other boyfriend. I think, throughout the whole movie. You don't realize.
[00:34:27] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:34:29] Speaker D: And he super great with his brother or her brother.
[00:34:35] Speaker C: I like that. I like that. Kenny. No, I'm going to go next. I don't want you to go next. I want you to go last.
Number three for me is also Dan Marino, but not an Ace Ventura Pet detective. Mine's in Little Nicky. When he's trying to bargain with the devil and sell his soul for a Super Bowl. It's just really funny because he never won one. Yeah.
[00:34:57] Speaker A: Sorry, Dan.
[00:34:58] Speaker C: So good. And the devil turns him down. He's like, I don't like what you're pitching. I'm. And he just leaves. And he's mad and he's like, ah, dang it, I'm not going to win a Super Bowl.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: Good on Dan Marino for being a good sport about that, too, because that's one of those that, you know, personally probably hurts.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: That's pretty funny.
[00:35:13] Speaker C: So number two, Lawrence Taylor and Waterboy, when he brings him in to talk to the youths, and he's like, why don't you tell us something about how you've been so successful on the field? And he's like, okay, so I.
The quarterback has the ball and I try and tackle him. Unless he were to throw it to somebody else or if he was to pitch the ball to. To a guy that's running the ball. And then I try and tackle that person. He's like. It's a. Lawrence Taylor's famous line. Which brings me to my next point. Don't smoke crack.
So that's, that's number two for me. And then number one. The best cameo in all of. All of movies ever by a sports figure is Lee Trevino and Happy Gilmore. He just has the running joke where he doesn't. He doesn't say anything, he doesn't do anything. He just. Every Happy Gilmore does something stupid. He just shakes his head and it makes you laugh every time he's on the screen. So those are, those are my three disagree.
[00:36:10] Speaker D: I learned, I learned something that I didn't know that guy was a pro golfer. So that, that made the movie even better.
[00:36:15] Speaker C: A number of pro golfers in Happy Gilmore, but Lee Trevino was the best.
[00:36:18] Speaker A: Trevino stands out because he's always shaking his head.
[00:36:21] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Kenny, what are your. What are your hot three.
[00:36:24] Speaker A: Number three. You're gonna be so mad again. Number three. I'm gonna go John Madden in the ref placements.
[00:36:32] Speaker C: No, I would, I would say this is okay. I mean I, I agree that this isn't quite a cameo, but this is.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: He's not a player necessarily, but he's a character.
[00:36:40] Speaker C: But it's himself. Sports figure plays himself.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: Bo Definition is just. Does he put himself.
That's what I like.
[00:36:48] Speaker C: And the Replacements is one of my. I think I might have named it as my favorite sports movie of all time.
[00:36:52] Speaker A: So he's just hilarious in that whole thing. I mean, you know, with as much, with, with as much like non NFL run around here. Yeah. When he doesn't on the Bumble rooster, it's like 10 minutes.
[00:37:05] Speaker C: The guy that started the play picks it up and runs it for the touchdown. You know what I like about a big man score? You get a big fat man spike and a fat man dance.
[00:37:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:15] Speaker A: So John Madden replacement is great. Number two, I gotta go with just the OG because he's my favorite wrestler of all time. It's just Goldberg in the Longest Yard.
I know he's in a number of scenes, but just, you know, just plays just that. Just meathead guy.
[00:37:33] Speaker C: You brought up another good one that I even think about. When we were doing this, I, I mentioned Waterboy and Lawrence Taylor was mine. But the big show makes an appearance in Water Boy Captain Insane.
[00:37:45] Speaker D: That might be the best. That honestly might be.
[00:37:47] Speaker C: I completely forgot about that. Should I erase Brett Favre and go with Insane?
[00:37:54] Speaker A: I'm gonna go to Big Show Captain Santa for number one because I had Mike Tyson in the Hangover, and Bone already got him, so. All right, let's go, Captain and say no shows, no mercy. Yeah, do him. The does to the bad guys.
[00:38:07] Speaker C: What the hell was that?
[00:38:09] Speaker D: Doesn't he find out how old the water boy is and then the whole set just starts cracking up?
[00:38:15] Speaker C: That's hilarious, kid. I'm glad I. How old are you? I'm 37 years old.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: What's he say? He's like, even though I recently had a bad run in with them or whatever.
[00:38:25] Speaker C: Like, even though I had a bad run in. Yeah, yeah.
[00:38:29] Speaker D: Captain Insane.
[00:38:30] Speaker C: So big show in Water Boy. I love it. I love it. So that'll do it for Hot three. These were good ones, guys. I like this. Yeah, yeah. Real quick, before we move on here and get into our revenue break, I just want to say, I don't know what this is going to be yet, but we will be having our off season giveaway at some point this off season, so.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Off season giveaways happen in the off season, so.
[00:38:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I just. I just want to. I just want to throw it out there so everybody start thinking about it. Remember, these are giveaways that are exclusive to our YouTube subscribers. So we're not saying you have to subscribe to us on YouTube. We're just saying we're going to pick the winner out of our YouTube subscriber.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: Don't wait to subscribe until the giveaway is announced, because as a YouTube subscriber, you're already entered in the giveaway.
[00:39:13] Speaker C: Correct. So I just want to throw it out there. Maybe we'll go like Miles Garrett this year or something. I don't know. We give away signed paraphernalia.
[00:39:19] Speaker A: We're going to give away Miles Garrett.
[00:39:22] Speaker C: We will definitely get a lot of subscribers for this.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: Like an auction? Like Seinfeld Auction.
[00:39:26] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, no, we've given away signed Nick Chubb. Jersey assigned Nick Chub football. I think this. This year we're going to switch it up and go like Miles Garrett or somebody else for signed paraphernalia. Yeah, yeah.
[00:39:37] Speaker A: The list is pretty small of guys that you would want science paraphernalia from.
[00:39:42] Speaker C: Basically, we're like Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, and Nick Chubb. Nick Chub again.
David Najoku.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: Maybe I might be able to get like. Like a Bernie Kar or something.
[00:39:53] Speaker C: Ah, yeah. Now Brown's Legends. Now we got. Yeah, okay, so. But yeah, with that, let's take a quick revenue break and then get back here and talk about the playoffs, the dress, craft and free agency.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: We could give away a John Hughes haircut.
[00:40:05] Speaker C: John Hughes haircut. I like that. Throw it in.
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All right, guys, to. So to kick off the second half of the show here, I just want to do a quick. This is gonna be like a NFL playoff recap. Do you want to put a sounder in here, Kenny? Are we just gonna leave it an NFL playoff recap?
[00:41:07] Speaker A: Baba ganoush.
[00:41:09] Speaker C: All right, so with that, here's the deal. None of the teams that any of us wanted in the super bowl or in the super bowl, so we've had to deal with that. That's been awful.
But. But here's some good news. Both the Steelers and the Ravens were disappointed with their playoff.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: That's the best news that's happened in the playoffs.
[00:41:25] Speaker C: Steelers obviously out in the first round against the Ravens. This is like, what, like, I don't know, six year in a row where they made the playoffs and made a first round exit.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: So I'd still rather be them than us.
[00:41:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree 100%. I'm hearing it again. Everybody's calling for Tomlin's job and I'm just like, including everybody that I work with because we're, you know, my company's based out of Pittsburgh and everybody's talking about they. They want Tomlin gone because he can't win a playoff game. And I'm like, dude, you realize he's never been under 500.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: Think about.
[00:41:52] Speaker C: We've always been under 500.
[00:41:54] Speaker A: Think about just how, like, rare that is. That in his first year with a brand new quarterback. Two quarterbacks. Two quarterbacks, they made the playoffs. Yeah, like, good teams that make the playoffs perennially usually have the same quarterback. And you kind of, you know, you go year after year and try to get deeper and deeper in the playoffs, whatever. This was all new for them this year. New offensive coordinator, new quarterback, the one you wanted to start, wasn't even ready to start that.
[00:42:20] Speaker C: Everybody, every sports writer out there was like, oh, man, the Steelers might be in a legitimate rebuild.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Because you had questions and they made the playoffs. Even know who the quarterback was going to be week.
[00:42:30] Speaker C: They made the freaking play. When the Browns go into a rebuild, we go 1 and 32 or 1 and 31.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: So, I mean, think about the other teams this year that had new quarterbacks.
[00:42:38] Speaker C: When the Browns have Super bowl aspirations, we go 3 and 14.
[00:42:41] Speaker A: That a new quarterback start for them. And like, how did that work out for them this year?
[00:42:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:42:45] Speaker A: So it's quarterback and teams that have longevity and consistency are the teams that perennially make the playoffs. Mike Thomas. Tomlin does it no matter what.
[00:42:54] Speaker C: Regardless, let's stop talking about him, though, because I hope that the Steelers just follow through with that and just get.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: Rid of him because hopefully they can fire him next year. So when we fire Kevin Stefanski next year, we can hire Mike Tomlin.
[00:43:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. He's not going anywhere this year. They already can. He was like, teams were trying to trade for him and stuff, and they were like, yeah, we're not doing that.
[00:43:09] Speaker A: Oh, I'd like to trade for him.
[00:43:11] Speaker C: See, that's good. But, yeah, and then the Ravens, I. I thought they'd be one of the last two standing and they. Or not. I don't know how they lost, but they did.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: Look, I still think they were the better team than. Than Buffalo. And Buffalo, for a large part of that game, looked exposed. Yeah. And made it kind of close at the end. And Kansas City just kind of took care of business as they do. But early on, it looked like that was going to be a route and that Buffalo did. Had no business in that game.
Yeah, look, I mean, Baltimore, I.
It's one of those questions, like, what do you. Like, how do you. How do you continue to get better when you are kind of like at that apex? Like, well, I know. How many. How many more pieces can you add?
[00:43:56] Speaker C: They're kind of in that same boat as Buffalo right now, right?
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Where they're like, well, in Buffalo the same way now, too. Right. They can't get over Kansas.
[00:44:01] Speaker C: They're like, how do we get over the hump? And it's like, do we make changes or do we not because we're really successful. We just haven't been able to get over the Kansas City hump.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, look, I mean, this Happens. This. This is one of those things that for whatever reason, we don't really talk about in Pro sp. Outside of the legacy of those that are great. Right. It's like you think about all the teams that were great that just got stopped because Michael Jordan happened to be alive, that Kobe Bryant happened to be alive, that Tom Brady happened to be alive. And now Patrick Mahomes and Tiger WOODS in the 2000s, like, just, you couldn't win because of this. That guy was alive.
[00:44:36] Speaker C: Right. You think about Patrick Mahomes. He's been a starter for seven years. He's gone to the conference championship six years. The only person in the AFC that was able to stay stop him from winning a Super bowl because the, the other one that he lost was in the nfc. As far as like, the NFC won the super bowl was Tom Brady. Right. Tom Brady was the only, only quarterback that was able to stop him from the AFC that was able to win a Super bowl in the afc since Patrick Mahomes has started. The other team that got past them was the Bengals, but they lost the super bowl, so they didn't. The AFC didn't win that year. Right. It's just wild to think about like. Like he's legitimately just like, wrecking other quarterbacks legacies. Like, you think about how you would talk about Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen right now if Patrick Mahomes wasn't in the league and they were able to get their Super Bowls.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: If they each had been to three Super Bowls by now.
[00:45:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Or even. Hell, even if each of them had only at this point won a single super bowl.
Which.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:32] Speaker C: I mean, does Lamar Jackson have a Super Bowl?
[00:45:34] Speaker A: No.
[00:45:35] Speaker C: No. So just, I mean, think about how much we're already talking about them. Like, they're great. Think about how much differently they'd be viewing if they had a Super bowl each.
[00:45:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, Lamar at least has MVPs to his name. Like, Josh Allen kind of really gets screwed in this whole thing because he doesn't have like, any of the.
[00:45:49] Speaker C: Well, there's about to be a travesty this year and they're going to give Josh Allen the MVP over Lamar Jackson, which I don't like Lamar Jackson, I hate him because he's. He's a Baltimore Raven, but he's the mvp.
[00:46:00] Speaker A: I know that it's a regular season award and they always say, like, all the playoffs don't play into it.
[00:46:05] Speaker C: If that's the case, then Joe Burrow should get it.
[00:46:08] Speaker A: I wonder if. And I don't even know if voting is still going on or if it's concluded or whatever. I wonder if the fact that Josh Allen losing in the playoffs hurts him, hurts him overall at the end of the day, if they go, well, yeah, you had a great regular season, but you still couldn't get it done in the playoffs. So we'll go with somebody that has better stats.
[00:46:27] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm not sure, but either way, Steelers or Ravens? Both. Both lost in playoffs.
[00:46:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, good. Good for them. And good showing for the AFC North. Right. Both teams in the playoffs. It just. It goes to show going forward, like you're in a tough time division. So I still think it's one of the best divisions in football. Cincinnati now standing because they got off to a slow start, but like, they could have been right there too.
[00:46:49] Speaker C: So at the end of the season, they could beat anybody.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, they literally. They. You literally were essentially one win away from three AFC north teams in the playoffs again.
[00:46:59] Speaker C: Yeah. And to that point, you've got basically the entire NFL. This is great. We're just watching boobs out on.
[00:47:07] Speaker D: You.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: Watch porn before bed, did ya?
[00:47:09] Speaker C: No, there's wedding crashers in the background. It's just going nuts right now.
[00:47:13] Speaker A: But anyways, one of the greatest opening scenes in any movie ever made.
[00:47:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
Kenny particularly likes to watch this with his mom in the room. It's weird.
But anyways, yeah.
The biggest takeaway that I have every time I watch the playoffs, it seems, is every team seems to be playing a completely different game than what the.
[00:47:37] Speaker D: Cleveland Browns play so much better.
[00:47:39] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the frustrating part about watching this playoffs. These playoffs, honestly, have been a delight to watch. There's been a lot of good games, a ton of great talent in this playoff race and.
But just watching these games, it is so clear how far the Browns are removed from being competitive.
[00:48:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Particularly the conference championship games were just wild. Like, I was just like, what is they.
[00:48:05] Speaker A: Could you think about the. The Browns beat Pittsburgh and Baltimore during the regular season this year. Like, absolute farce, absolute anomaly. Just, just. It was just those teams, as evidenced.
[00:48:17] Speaker C: By the fact that they only won.
[00:48:18] Speaker A: Three games, had bad days that day. We happened to catch them and. And we had good days and the rest of that, like, skill, consistency, leadership, all the things that make a good football team. We are not. And they are.
[00:48:31] Speaker C: We don't have the. Those.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So with all that being said, super bowl is going to be the Chiefs versus the Eagles. Like you mentioned at the top of the show.
Bone who you got me.
[00:48:42] Speaker D: I got Chiefs got I think they.
[00:48:44] Speaker C: Three Pete, you know, I'm torn on this because I think it's going to be cool to see. It's hard to just. Because we'll probably never see a three peat again.
[00:48:53] Speaker D: Sure.
[00:48:53] Speaker C: So it'd be cool to see it.
[00:48:54] Speaker D: And I'm kind of rooting for Hunt. I just like Cream Hunt. I don't necessarily like either team, but I like Cream Hunt.
[00:48:59] Speaker C: That's. That's fair.
[00:49:00] Speaker D: That's my. That's my main reason for rooting for him.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: I really dislike both teams.
[00:49:04] Speaker C: Who you got?
[00:49:07] Speaker A: Chiefs. If for no other reason than. Again, is the NFL fixed? No, but do they get all the calls? Yes, they get. They got. Again, they got every call.
[00:49:15] Speaker C: Is the NFL fixed? No, but do they. Is it fixed for the Chiefs?
[00:49:18] Speaker A: Yes, again, they got every call. I mean, on that interception, who was calling. Who was the call in the AFC game? Was that. That was Tony Romo. Right? I mean, Tony Romo, Jim Nance both looked at each other and said, the ball clearly hit the ground. It just has to be an incomplete pass. Right? Oh, the Chief's got the ball. It's Chief's ball. Fine. That's okay.
[00:49:34] Speaker D: Like, oh, yeah, the two.
[00:49:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, they were both like the ball hits the ground. Right. Like it's on a catch. No, no one caught it. Oh, Chiefs.
[00:49:40] Speaker C: Nobody had full control before.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: Chiefs get the ball. That's fine.
[00:49:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:49:44] Speaker A: It's just every time. I don't know. They just get every call. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't. It's not. It's not even like we're intentionally doing it. It's just like, oh, there was a call towards the end of the game. There was a penalty and they. The flag. The thing that came on a screens a flag and Jim N. Is going, there's a flag on the play. There's a flag on the play.
[00:50:02] Speaker C: When they, when they incomplete pass for.
[00:50:04] Speaker A: Yes, there's a flag on the play.
[00:50:05] Speaker D: Fourth down picked it up.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: We was right that off.
[00:50:07] Speaker C: There was no flag. I saw all the memes the next day. Like the flag was just there in case. He would have caught it.
[00:50:11] Speaker A: Just in case.
[00:50:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:12] Speaker C: No, yeah.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: They just get every call.
[00:50:15] Speaker D: Yeah, the one where the refs were on opposite sides of the. Of the line, the white line. The fourth down, fourth and one.
[00:50:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:22] Speaker D: And then they set it with the guy who was further back.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: Right, Right.
[00:50:25] Speaker D: And then the reviewable play. It's reviewed. But you're going to go with the benefit of the doubt of the original call on the field. Yeah, which it wasn't a first down, but if it was called a first down, I think it would have stuck. You know what I mean?
[00:50:34] Speaker A: So, yeah, they just get every call. That's just.
[00:50:37] Speaker C: It is wild. It's just a thing.
[00:50:40] Speaker D: He might not have got it. I wasn't convinced when I saw the video evidence, but it was close. He could have got the spot and he didn't get the spot.
[00:50:45] Speaker C: Right, guys, here's the deal.
[00:50:47] Speaker A: Every time I agree with everything you.
[00:50:49] Speaker C: Just said, and if you, if. If I'm actually legitimately picking who I think is going to win, it's going to be the Chiefs. But I'm picking the Eagles for no other reason than these last, like this whole season.
I'm a huge fan of Saquon Barkley. I never really like Saquon Barkley that much. You know, he was a rival college. We all root for Ohio State. He went to Penn State, he played for the Giants, which I don't really care about. He was kind of a rival to Nick Chubb because Nick Chubb was a, you know, the top back in the NF or he, you know, they were battling for who's the top back in the NFL, who's going to have the better career. But in the last year or so, like, I really like Saquon Barkley. He's a real. He's on top of being just dominant, fun to watch. He's a great teammate. Everything he ever says is all about his team and what the team, what he can do for the team. Just a couple of examples. He had a chance to go for, for a record earlier in the season, single game rushing record. And he said, no, I'm going to sit out the whole fourth quarter because I want our young guys to get some experience.
The, the last. Not the conference championship game, but the game before that. He broke one late in the fourth quarter and could have scored a touchdown. He's like, I'm going down because we could basically run the clock out.
And he did. And his whole team was like, why didn't you score? And he's like, well, I don't need that. Just everything that he does right now, I'm like, man, this guy is this good and he's this humble and he's this team centric attitude. Like, he's just awesome talent and it's just great watching him. So I'm going with the Eagles because I think Saquon Barkley takes him to the promise land. That's what I'm going with.
[00:52:21] Speaker A: I've. I've always liked Saquon. I always felt like Saquon didn't get enough respect. So I'm glad that like this year was such. I mean it was just undeniable, right? I mean it was, it was Saquon Barkley is inevitable. Right. I mean, 2,000 yards the year that he had.
And with all the questions surrounding Jalen hurts, you know, is he a top 5, top 10, 15 guy like can he lead, can he win a Super Bowl? Those types of things, you know, is he an elite guy? Saquon made all those questions disappear. Yeah, because it didn't matter so much what Jalen did. In fact, Jalen's ability to run in tandem with Saquon was what made them so dangerous all year long. But yeah, I've always liked Saquon. Good on him. Glad he's finally getting the respect that he deserves because he is an outstanding player.
[00:53:11] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:53:13] Speaker A: Still going Chiefs in the super bowl though, because I get every call.
[00:53:15] Speaker C: So yeah, if I, I agree with all that and like I said, if I'm actually picking like, if I'm. If I were like placing wagers, I would probably place my wagers. Not that I'm giving betting advice, but I would pace place my wagers on the Chiefs. But I'm not going to my true fan travel. I'm picking the Eagles.
[00:53:28] Speaker A: We're definitely going Eagles. They're going to win.
[00:53:29] Speaker C: We're going Eagles.
Eagle flying.
[00:53:32] Speaker D: Yeah, Eagles.
[00:53:33] Speaker A: We all pick the Eagles.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: And then real quick here before we get into more some more Brown stuff, the Pro bowl is this week still Pro Bowl.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: I feel like I haven't even seen a commercial.
[00:53:43] Speaker C: Yes, that was my point is I feel like even less people are talking about this than they did in previous years and it's never really talked about that much. So that is noticeably like non existent. This year is pretty crazy.
But for what it's worth, in case anyone's wondering, Browns in the Pro Bowl. Miles Garrett, Jerry Judy, Denzel Ward and recent addition Joel Bonio, who was an alternate but has been promoted to the to the roster soon from the Chiefs. And then six, well, six others were named alternates. Five now that Joel Petonio had been added to the roster. Punter Cory Bajorquez, running back Nick Chub, tight end David Ajoku, linebacker Jok and guard Wyatt Teller, all alternates. So Nick Chub get it tells you there's a. There's fan vote is a big, big part in this. And then whoever is was, you know, still in the playoffs.
[00:54:33] Speaker A: I love Nick Chubb. Buddy. What did he have 100 yards in the season?
[00:54:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, yeah. So, Yeah, I mean, that. That'll do it for the playoffs. The Browns aren't in it.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: No, no.
[00:54:45] Speaker C: So.
[00:54:46] Speaker D: Nope.
[00:54:47] Speaker C: All right, guys, so next up here, let's talk. Let's talk futures. You guys ready to talk futures?
[00:54:52] Speaker D: Oh, I love the future.
[00:54:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:54:53] Speaker A: Like stock futures future. Like cryptocurrency.
[00:54:56] Speaker C: That's kind of what I was going with, but then I was hoping he'd use the Sounder from Pineapple Express.
[00:55:00] Speaker A: The future Elon Musk future.
[00:55:02] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know.
Draft day hopefuls. So this is. I just want one scenario from everybody. It could be like a specific pick. It could be like a trade situation, whatever the case may be. One draft day hopeful from everybody. A scenario that you're hoping for.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: Wait, I know we're not prepared for this. I thought we were just doing free agents. We're doing draft day, too.
[00:55:22] Speaker C: Yeah. It could be anything. It literally think about the entire draft. It could be anything.
[00:55:27] Speaker D: I. I kind of like the bone.
[00:55:29] Speaker C: You go first.
[00:55:30] Speaker D: Okay. I don't know how. How practical it would be because I think Stefanski would get fired. But I like getting a stud at some point in the top 10, maybe. Maybe trading back, but not out of the top 10.
I didn't come up with this. I heard it and I liked it. And getting like Milroe or somebody, just a stud athlete. I don't know. I heard he's got a good head on his shoulders. Really good kid.
He performed a lot better with Tommy Reese as his offensive coordinator. He had a down year. Blah, blah, blah. Bring him in. I don't know. When you get him and then just see what he can do.
[00:56:03] Speaker C: I mean, that's. Actually.
[00:56:04] Speaker D: Get a stud player early on in the draft.
[00:56:06] Speaker C: That's. That's. Yeah, I mean, I. I kind of like it.
[00:56:09] Speaker D: I know.
[00:56:10] Speaker C: Where's Milro projected to go if we.
[00:56:12] Speaker D: Do terrible and we. We draft in top five again, get another quarterback?
[00:56:15] Speaker A: I think Milro is one of those scenarios where because it's such a quarterback light draft, that as you get closer.
[00:56:21] Speaker C: To the draft, he's going to climb.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: He's going to climb and he'll be. He won't get drafted any later than, like the second. Second round.
[00:56:26] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:56:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: Too much talent.
[00:56:28] Speaker D: Like, if we get them with our. With our second round pick, number one in the second round, I don't. I don't know, maybe that's too high on somebody like that.
[00:56:34] Speaker A: But, like, coming into this year, that was. I mean, it was Quinn Ewers and Jalen Milroe were like, that was, they were like, oh, there's gonna be the quarterbacks in the draft next year that are probably going to be in the first round. So the fact that he, he has the name recognition, plays for big program, like, had a down year. But I mean, look, I like the comparison.
[00:56:52] Speaker D: I like the comparisons to like Lamar Jackson. I don't know if he can be as good of a passer, but we've seen Lamar progress as a passer.
[00:56:58] Speaker C: To be fair, nobody thought Lamar Jackson could be that good of a passer.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: Was a good passer at all.
[00:57:02] Speaker D: So.
[00:57:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:57:03] Speaker D: Yeah. What, what could the guy be? I don't know. He's. He's got the, the frame, the body type for it, and, and he's that type of player.
[00:57:12] Speaker C: Like, who, who would you take with your top pick then? Even if you trade back and you say you take him in the second round and you, you say you end up with like a seven pick or something like, like who? Or you'd stay at 2. Who?
[00:57:22] Speaker D: Mason Graham? I don't know. Stud detector. I don't think Carter would be there. Maybe the next best Carter would be there too, though. Who's the next best?
[00:57:29] Speaker C: Would you take Carter as high as 2?
[00:57:32] Speaker D: Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
[00:57:33] Speaker C: Fair. I mean, I agree with that. And so I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump in here in my draft day scenario, my hopeful scenario. And I know we've talked about this a lot.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: My idea, I mean, you weren't the.
[00:57:45] Speaker C: Person that gave me the idea. I've seen this tossed around by several other people. But I know we've talked about it a lot off air is I'm all in on, on taking like Will Howard in the third round.
And just this part was, was what we talked about and was a little, a little bit what you said is just giving him the keys completely, saying, let's forego this whole, you know, veteran quarterback that's going to be the bridge quarterback. Let's just say Will Howard's the guy and you draft as many weapons as you possibly can to help him out. Now, I, I know that we have a lot of holes to fill on the offensive side of the football, and it'd be nice to give him like, a really, like, big weapon to use in the draft or whatever. If you're going to go that route, you take somebody else in the top 10. But with my top 10, what we were just talking about, I would like, I would stay at 2 and I'd take Carter because here's the deal is you, you. You put a dominant, dominant defense, defensive end opposite Miles Garrett. That's going to also demand double teams.
Like what is that defense going to. They were already pretty solid this year in a 3 and 14 season, especially in the back half of the season. Like imagine what that does for Miles Garrett and his longevity as far as being a force in the NFL.
[00:59:05] Speaker A: Well, I think you've seen it on this defense, right? When you had, when you had guys who were playing well, like when Zadarius was playing well, when Jadavian was playing well.
[00:59:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:59:13] Speaker A: I mean with those guys brought that. That turned that defense into top five, the top unit in the NFL.
[00:59:18] Speaker C: And that's my point is that was those guys. Those guys aren't Carter. They're not going to demand the, the double teams and things that. That Carter is off the other edge.
[00:59:27] Speaker A: I think in their best seasons, like they had 11 sacks like to go along with Miles is.
[00:59:31] Speaker C: So that's what I mean. I think like Carter's a guy. Carter's a guy that could get you like 14 sacks in a season. 14, 15 sacks in a season. Just like Miles probably.
[00:59:39] Speaker A: He's. He's. He's like. Probably Miles Garrett light like if we're career.
[00:59:43] Speaker C: That's my point is like putting symbol. Somebody that's just dominant on the other side as well. Not very good, but dominant. So I like him in the top 10. And then you add some offensive linemen or linebackers in those two to three, your, your second round pick, your other third round pick, you add some depth there and then you, you know, you kind of see where you're at. Linebacker is a tricky one because a lot of this hinges on J. Okay. And what we're going to do and if he's going to be able to play.
[01:00:09] Speaker A: I think you have to take GOK out of the equation, period. And you gotta think about life after GOK comes back. Great.
[01:00:16] Speaker C: There's starting to be rumors though that, that, that the Browns are just kind of letting this, this play out, but that really behind the scenes it's not as severe as like what things are leading up.
[01:00:26] Speaker A: And that would be great, but I think that's how you. I think from a business sense you have to approach it that way because you have to just approach like he's not coming back.
[01:00:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:00:33] Speaker A: Because you can't afford to have that hole there next year if he doesn't come back.
[01:00:37] Speaker C: Yeah. But anyways. Yeah. Will Howard in the third round somewhere give him the keys? The Whole thing and just say you're the guy all year, next year, what do you got? And if he's good, he's good and we're great. If he's bad, worst case scenario, you're picking high in a draft. Yeah. Like a quarterback heavy draft. So then you have your pick of whoever you want.
[01:00:57] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:00:58] Speaker C: So Kenny, what's your draft day hopeful here?
[01:01:02] Speaker A: My hopeful? I agree with you on Will Howard. I don't. I bull Howard has to climb draft boards. I don't understand how a guy that threw over 30 touchdowns. Six, four, 36, 4,000 yards, a full NFL season already.
We already know that. He has all the intangibles from a leadership standpoint from just a good head on his shoulders like he was, he was.
[01:01:24] Speaker C: They gave him talent. His, his, his college career. They gave him talent one year he came to Ohio State as, as a transfer or whatever. They gave him talent one year and he won the national championship.
[01:01:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean the guy is a, the guy is a winner. He has a winning attitude and he has all of the, the measurables right. He, he, he runs a decent 40. He's got a strong enough arm. He's a big kid at 6 4, 6, 5 2:30 NFL ready frame. Like I don't understand how this guy isn't higher on draft boards. There's been almost no. At least until the national championship in the playoff run, there was almost no talk of Will Howard as an NFL prospect. And then as we get into the college football playoffs and he had a dominant run in the playoffs, there's starting to be some talk. But I just think he's the guy that's going to have to climb draft boards and to your point, like give him the keys. That's what Ohio State did this year. The guy has experience being thrown to the wolves and if he Deshaun Kaiser's at your 0 and 17, you pick first in the draft next year.
[01:02:18] Speaker C: Big deal.
[01:02:19] Speaker A: Like when I start looking at scenarios to say like how are you going to be better than 0 and 17 next year? I don't see a lot of them. Bringing Kurt Cousins here WINS youY Maybe four games. What, what the hell difference does it make? Yeah, like bringing just.
[01:02:30] Speaker C: You're still fighting for, you're still battling for the number one pick at 4 and 4 and 13.
[01:02:35] Speaker A: The, the maneuverability that you would have to do to get a guy like Justin Fields, make contracts work. Like, or even Russell Wilson. Like is he a long term answer? Like these are all bridge scenarios that don't lead to anywhere Long term. So when I look at a guy like Will Howard, I say, here's a guy that has proven he can win in college at the highest level. And, you know, it's like, we talk about the Big Ten a certain way. The Big Ten all of a sudden is kind of big brother in college football. It's funny how quickly the Big Ten caught up to the SEC teams once you were legally allowed to pay the players. Yeah, so.
So I just, I look at a guy like that and I just say, like, why couldn't he have some kind of success in the NFL? And if he does great, you have a quarterback that you can work with going forward. If you don't, you're in the same spot. Anyway. So, anyway, I guess to answer your question, like, what's my hopeful scenario? Who do you bring in as a running mate for Will Howard? I'd love to see. I love the thought of Ashton Genti. You're picking high enough, you can get him. He's the best running back in the draft, potentially generational talent. Is he somebody like a Saquon Barkley that for the next five to eight years can be a 1500 yard back every year?
[01:03:40] Speaker C: And to that point you get him, and all of a sudden some of the pressures off Will Howard, too. Like, you're saying you're giving Will Howard the keys and you got a guy that can run for, like, can average potentially like 120 yards a game.
[01:03:51] Speaker A: Absolutely. And that's why. And you have four picks in that top hundred. Like, I'm, I'm getting Ashton Genti early and I'm going to pick up a wide receiver before then, and then I'm more using, you know, pick three or four on Will Howard, and I think another wide receiver and a great running back. You start to fill out the back end of the line with, you know, Lyman later in the draft and in free agency. And that defense is already pretty good. Like, if Will Howard is good in the NFL, that's your fastest, best, easiest path for the path. Path of least resistance forward to winning. And if he's not, again, you pick Arch Manning the next year. Big deal.
[01:04:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:04:29] Speaker A: And then you have Ashton Genti with Arch Manning.
[01:04:31] Speaker D: Sure.
[01:04:33] Speaker C: Formidable.
[01:04:34] Speaker A: Book it.
[01:04:35] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I like those. These are all good scenarios. And the best part about all of them, in my opinion, is I think they're all realistic. Like.
[01:04:45] Speaker A: Sure.
[01:04:46] Speaker C: I mean, you're picking a number two. This guy's kind of the limit. Yeah. So, yeah, I like it. But there's, there's, there's some Hope for.
[01:04:53] Speaker A: You and I'll even.
[01:04:55] Speaker C: I know we've been begging for hope.
[01:04:56] Speaker A: Bones idea too. Of even. Jalen Miller is a guy that could, could fall in the draft. Right. Could be a second or third rounder. I like him in the same way that I like Will Howard. But if I draft him, I don't want. I don't necessarily want him to sit for a year or two and learn how to. I just want to.
[01:05:11] Speaker C: Sure. Is he a raw talent? Absolutely. Throw him out there and let him see. Let's see what he could do.
[01:05:16] Speaker A: And is it likely he'll fail? Yes, it's likely. All of these guys, I go, I.
[01:05:20] Speaker C: Go back to Lamar Jackson that you just brought up.
[01:05:23] Speaker A: It was likely he would fail.
[01:05:25] Speaker C: Right. What did they say when he got. They're like, he's a running. He's really athletic, he's a really good runner, but he's really raw.
[01:05:30] Speaker A: And the thing is, there's a guy like Jalen Miller.
[01:05:33] Speaker C: Didn't he lead the NFL in passing this year? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:05:37] Speaker A: So, like, he's really good.
[01:05:40] Speaker C: He's really good.
[01:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I look at a guy like Jalen Milroe, though, in the same way as Will Howard. It's like, you know, could he be Anthony Richardson and just be just a raw athlete and he's not very good. Sure. Could he be Lamar Jackson? I don't know. Maybe somewhere in the middle. And you would get eight or nine games. Yeah, like I just. There's. There's so much more potential there with that guy if he happens to be great. And if he's not, you wasted a year, big deal. You move on to the next year. You're already bringing in a new head coach anyways. They're going to pick their guy, a new GM like, if they don't win 10 games this year, this, this whole thing they have, they had, they can't redo it again.
[01:06:16] Speaker C: That's the thing. And I think that's the thing that a lot of people are missing this year with the draft is, is you take one of these top quarterbacks, right, with your number two pick, the Shador Sanders and Cam Ward and, and that's where for me, you got to remember the coaches are basically on a one year deal at this point. Like they win or they go home, like that's the end of it. And to me, Cam Ward and Shador Sanders at number two doesn't get you there because you need too much more help to go along with them.
[01:06:44] Speaker A: Well, if you do pick one of them, they better get you there.
[01:06:47] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[01:06:48] Speaker A: That's the.
[01:06:48] Speaker C: But that's what I'm saying. So I'm thinking like, like, honestly, like I think you earn yourself more favor. Not that I'm saying he wouldn't necessarily survive. But say you go, you win. You go 500 next. Just above 500 or just below 500 with Will Howard.
[01:07:02] Speaker A: If you win six games with Will Howard, you doubled your win total from the last year.
[01:07:06] Speaker C: You have a lot more chance of sticking around as Kevin Stanski than you do going Cam Ward. And you win six games.
[01:07:12] Speaker A: And, and do you win six games?
[01:07:13] Speaker C: Yeah, no, probably not. That's my.
[01:07:15] Speaker A: Because you have not pairing him now with an Ashton Genti or Kenjon Judkins or Trayvon Nend.
[01:07:20] Speaker C: We need to maximize, maximize value in this draft in order for these coaches and this, this or this front office to stay together.
[01:07:28] Speaker A: Well, that's what I said. Like you're, you're in a. What you're. Everybody is on a one year deal right now. So it's, how can I get the most out of next year? Because at the end of the day, none of this matters next year because if they, if they fail again this year, it's all. You're starting totally over the next year.
[01:07:43] Speaker C: It's over.
[01:07:43] Speaker A: You have to.
[01:07:44] Speaker C: So with that being said, let's move on to free agency. Just want to touch on. I know we'll have another episode that's, that's all about free agency, I'm sure at some point or another in the off season. But just real quick, what I want from everybody here is you guys are going to give me three players for free agency. You're going to give me somebody that you want, somebody you think the Browns need, and you're going to give me your pipe dream. The just somebody that Browns probably won't get, but it would be awesome if they did. And so we'll start with you on this one, Kenny.
[01:08:13] Speaker A: Number one, a guy I want. I'm going to go.
What happened to my notes?
[01:08:22] Speaker C: Sorry, I can't help you there.
[01:08:24] Speaker A: Huh? Huh?
[01:08:27] Speaker C: You want me to start?
[01:08:29] Speaker A: I don't know what tab it went on. So yeah, you start.
[01:08:32] Speaker C: All right, so for me, we'll start with a guy I want Nick Bolton, middle linebacker.
He's.
He just is a menace out there. He's like a run stopping linebacker. Linebacker. He's not the best in coverage, which I know is kind of like something that you want in a linebacker nowadays in the NFL. He can be exposed a little bit there, but he's just, he's just a menace when it comes to stopping the run. And he's kind of an old school linebacker where, like he hits people and you know, it. Like, he reminds me not, not hall of Fame quality like Ray Lewis, but it reminds me of Ray Lewis. Like he came up there with reckless abandon and anytime you walked away from a hit from Ray Lewis, you knew it.
That's what this guy reminds me of. And then we mentioned it just a second ago. We're still thin at linebacker pending what's happening to J. Okay. Even if Jok comes back and you got this guy, it's just, I mean, that'd be a huge upgrade for our linebacking core. So I'm gonna go Nick Bolton. There a need for us. Cam Robinson is throwing is who I'm throwing out for a need. He's not like the top left tackle out there, but he's like upper, you know, upper end of free agency, but not the top guys. Not going to demand like the biggest paychecks. He played for the Jaguars last few years before being traded to the Vikings this year at the deadline. Been solid pass blocking option throughout his career. He posted a 95.1 pass blocking efficiency rating this year, which is actually the lowest of his career.
And to me that's a benefit because it's like a testament. 95.1 is the lowest you've had in your career for your pass blocking efficiency. You're pretty good.
So I like him as far as picking up a left tackle and we need some depth on the line. And then finally my pipe dream is Cleo Mack. I just talked about why I would draft Carter at number two and just, just having a dominant guy on the opposite end of the line on defense for Miles Garrett and Khalil Mack has had like a resurgence these last two years. I don't know if anybody, if you guys have like paid attention, I know you kind of fell off the there for a little bit, but. He had 88 QB pressures in 2023, which is his highest total since 2016. And this past year he had an 86.3 PFF pass rush grade, which was his best since 2020.
[01:10:51] Speaker A: So, Ed, how many pressures this year? Or was that last year?
[01:10:55] Speaker C: That was in 2023. This year it went down a little bit. I don't know the number off the top of my head, but 88 pressures in 2023, which was his highest since 2016. So I say in the last two years he's had his resurgence and then, yeah, the best pass rushing grade this this past season, 2024 season since 2020. So put that opposite of Miles Garrett and those guys are going to be creating problems for offenses next year. So, Kenny, you ready yet?
[01:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah, my note like blanked out. I'm good here. So a player that I want. Left tackle Morgan Moses, New York jets this guy has just been a model of consistency for basically his entire career. I think he's in his 10th or 11th season in the NFL. Just a stalwart pass blocker and has been, like I said, a consistent starter for a long time. Has seen kind of be kind of his usage dropped a little bit as younger guys have kind of moved in. But still a guy that's getting more than 70% of snaps played in 14, started 14 games last year for the New York Jets. So he's a guy that can be a bridge for a year or two. Like to shore up a hole in this line line right now that you don't have to fix with a bunch of, you know, big contract and a lot of money or high draft pick.
[01:12:10] Speaker C: You could be like a swing guy too. Somebody gets injured, you plug him in.
[01:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Like he's a guy that can, can be versatile in a position or could be a day one starter at left tackle. And, and can it get you another year or two where you can kick the can down the road and not have to waste a high pick on a left tackle? Yeah.
So I think that he's like, he's, he's not like the highest rated left tackle in, in free agency, but I.
[01:12:33] Speaker C: Think that' we both have the same idea there.
[01:12:35] Speaker A: Get him for a decent price instead of having to overpay a guy.
Number two, this is one, one. Need, need safety Justin Reed, Kansas City Chiefs 61207 Last time we got a.
[01:12:48] Speaker C: Safety from the Chiefs, it didn't work out.
[01:12:49] Speaker A: 27 years old, so he's right in the prime of his career. Prime.
[01:12:53] Speaker C: This sounds familiar.
[01:12:54] Speaker A: Probably the best run stopping safety in NFL or at least one of the best.
Look, they got to do something at that position. That Juan Thornhill is the last guy we got from the Chiefs is bad disaster.
And I just think Justin Reed would be a good fit here with the tenacity of this defense and the way he plays.
[01:13:14] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:13:14] Speaker A: And then my pipe dream guy, basically like we're just playing the same game here. I have Chase Young. Oh yeah, from New Orleans.
[01:13:22] Speaker C: Guy that's underperformed so far, but still young.
[01:13:24] Speaker A: Yeah, young guy. Top rated pick. This is a guy that had 66 pressures last this season. So that's top 20 in the league. From the Edge was on a one year kind of prove it deal with the Saints. So he'll be available.
Just a matter of whether or not they decide they can afford him. They're in Cap Hill just like the Browns, so he's probably a casualty just due to Cap there. But again, I think when you think about like putting somebody as a running mate with Miles Garrett, he's a guy that would probably flourish because he's getting single teamed because Miles is getting double teams. And on that front that we know even with the injuries and things that they had this year like that, that front for the clean Browns was formidable. Yeah. And so I think a guy like Chase Young kind of can fit in and find a home here for the next several years.
[01:14:13] Speaker C: It's always do it always easy to root for Buckeyes too.
[01:14:16] Speaker A: Well, yeah. Understand. So that would be cool. But yeah, I got Chase Young.
[01:14:20] Speaker C: I like it. I like it. Bone.
[01:14:22] Speaker D: All right.
Want I put Dre Greenlaw.
[01:14:26] Speaker C: Okay.
[01:14:26] Speaker D: He's coming off an injury, so I think it's if possibly practical that we get him. Yeah, linebacker for Sanford.
[01:14:32] Speaker C: Oh yeah. Linebacker.
[01:14:33] Speaker D: He tore is Achilles in the super bowl last year.
[01:14:36] Speaker C: Yeah, he's missed. He missed this whole past year.
[01:14:37] Speaker D: He came back well. He played two games this year and then I guess had a setback. I don't know. So I don't know if he's continuing to rehab. So I would imagine he's ready by next year and maybe you could get him on the cheap. And he's a stud linebacker. I read he's good in the pass and he's like. I think he's like 511, like 245 or something. Just solid.
[01:14:53] Speaker C: That's a solid guy. Yeah.
[01:14:55] Speaker D: So I just remember seeing his name and just me being. Being a fierce linebacker with like Fred Warner.
[01:15:01] Speaker A: That hurt them when he went down.
[01:15:02] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:15:02] Speaker C: Y.
[01:15:03] Speaker D: So if he was. If he passes physical or whatever and he was available, I think that'd be cool to get.
[01:15:08] Speaker C: Y. Need.
[01:15:09] Speaker B: Need.
[01:15:09] Speaker D: I. I have a. I just have a quarterback here. It's Sam Darnold. If that's the route they ended up going. He.
[01:15:16] Speaker C: We do need a quarterback. You're not wrong.
[01:15:18] Speaker D: He's just. I don't know if that's my. That's my like best scenario. I don't know. But I. I put.
[01:15:24] Speaker C: You're not necessarily saying we need to Sam Darnold. We need a quarterback.
[01:15:28] Speaker D: I think he can do well with Stefanski. I feel like he fits Stefanski offense I don't know.
[01:15:34] Speaker C: That's fair.
[01:15:35] Speaker D: In my pipe dream, I put Josh sweat might be his prison in the moment just because I was watching the Eagles play, but I feel like his name just kept coming up and coming up and coming up. He had dude gets after he has eight sacks this year, 54 pressures. He's only. He's going to turn 28 in March, so he's still got a lot of football left in him. So, yeah, I think he'd be good. Good opposite Mars Gale.
[01:15:53] Speaker C: A lot of good names thrown out here. A lot of things to think about. You know, chances are even with the cap hell of the brown rounds are in. They always. Since this is one thing I'll give Barry since he started is it seems like every season we feel like we can't do anything in free agency and somehow we find a way to get like at least one decent name out of free agency.
[01:16:11] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I think that's the question.
[01:16:12] Speaker C: Is a, and I let me caveat that with one decent name at the time, they don't always turn into like decent pickups later on was great. Yeah.
[01:16:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I think one of the questions. Question one is A, can you afford them? And B, the ones that you can't afford, do they want to come to Cleveland?
[01:16:30] Speaker C: Yeah. It's a sticky situation right now.
[01:16:32] Speaker A: You know, generally in free agency, money talks, right. People go there because you're paying them. It doesn't much matter what your record was last year if you're paying a guy market value that he can get at three other teams, you know. Right. What's the motivation for a guy like Chase Young to come here? For Khalil Mack to come here?
[01:16:49] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:16:50] Speaker A: Maybe play with Miles Garrett's enough. But is it.
[01:16:54] Speaker C: I can't answer that. I can't answer that. But yeah, a lot of, like I said, a lot of good names to think about, a lot of good draft scenarios to think about.
And since, you know, we're on the subject and we're talking about draft and free agency in the Browns future, let's go ahead and bring in our newly appointed foreign relations minister, our foreign minister for foreign relations. With Kenny Mack here, he's going to give us his five point plan to.
[01:17:20] Speaker A: Fixing the brow Prime Minister of foreign relations. What do we.
[01:17:24] Speaker C: He's just. He's just the foreign minister.
[01:17:26] Speaker A: El presidente.
[01:17:27] Speaker C: No, foreign foreign minister.
[01:17:30] Speaker A: Oh, Foreign Minister of foreign relations.
[01:17:33] Speaker C: We're gonna bring in Kenny Mack.
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[01:17:53] Speaker C: All right, guys, please help me welcome friend of the show and now president of the Browns Backers Worldwide leadership council. Kenny Mack.
Kenny, how are you?
[01:18:09] Speaker A: Good, man.
[01:18:10] Speaker B: It's great to be on. Obviously from Ohio to through Ontario, up here in Ottawa, Canada, man, we've been going through a cold snap. It's been rough. I mean, it kind of signifies the end of this season. Just dark, dreary, cold. Nothing good. But you know what's coming around. Springtime. Springtime brings the draft. You know what I mean? Free agency, man. So it's time to get pumped. Maybe it's like Christmas time, like they say for the Browns fans, but it's a. It's a good time to be a Browns fan to wash that bitter 2024 season away.
[01:18:48] Speaker C: Absolutely. And you kind of bring up a. A good point here. You mentioned, you know, from. From down here in Ohio up through Canada, all that good stuff. I just want to point out that you're officially part of the show. And this is. This is now foreign relations with Kenny M. And we. We have dubbed you the Burning river sportscast foreign minister. So, yeah, the more titles, the better.
[01:19:12] Speaker B: I'm putting it on Lincoln right now.
[01:19:15] Speaker C: Absolutely. I would definitely put that on my resume.
But yeah, no, we're happy to have you on and we're glad that you could make it. Kenny, I know you said you may have something to say.
[01:19:24] Speaker A: Well, I just thought you can introduce a segment what we're going to ask Kenny to do here, but.
[01:19:29] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, so. So for this segment, Kenny, specifically why we have you on today is we wanted. We needed somebody to give us a plan. And who better to give us a plan to fix the Browns than Kenny Mack, the foreign minister.
[01:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right.
[01:19:44] Speaker A: So. So we have Kenny on to give us the plan.
[01:19:46] Speaker C: The five point plan to fix the Browns is what he's going to bring us.
[01:19:49] Speaker A: My whole thing here, Kenny, is just, you know, by the way, it's a super strong name.
[01:19:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:19:55] Speaker B: You know, Ken actually means strong. So there you go.
[01:19:59] Speaker A: There you go.
[01:20:01] Speaker C: I think you guys are making this up. So I'm gonna call Cerami asks you.
[01:20:04] Speaker A: To outload a outline, a five point plan to kind of fix the Browns. I need you to also give me some hope, not just fix the like after this year. And look, we've been down and out and through the ringer before. I've been a Browns fan for a long time, but this is about as bad as I felt we've.
[01:20:24] Speaker C: And I will. I want to entertain a long time.
[01:20:26] Speaker A: As a Browns fan.
[01:20:27] Speaker C: I will say this, Kenny Mack, we. We've said all season long, like as it was unfolding. We're like, this feels worse than, than O and 16, then, then 1 in 31 or whatever it was because they told us that was a rebuild this year. There was so many expectations of playoffs, a possible deep run, maybe even a Super bowl run. And then to come out and be 3 and 14.
[01:20:50] Speaker A: And I just look at it and I just, I rack my brain at night trying to think of what moves can be made. Obviously there's cap considerations, all these things like what can we do with the personnel we have, with the front office we have. And I can't come up with a scenario in which this team is markedly better next year. So I'm hoping that you can make me kind of feel better about this. By the time you've outlined your five point plan, I believe in you.
[01:21:15] Speaker C: We've named you foreign minister for a reason. So give us some hope. Kenny Mack.
[01:21:21] Speaker B: Dude, first of all, I'm gonna say right up, it's, it's not an easy thing to do. It's not an easy thing to be hopeful whenever you only have three wins, okay? But I think the biggest thing that we need to do is we need to go back and we need to listen to Andrew Berry says he's going to approach this offseason like they were an expansion team. That's the only thing you can really do when you're 3 and 14, right? I mean, what other option do you have? You might as well just start really over. But when you're looking at, at that, what you need to do is obviously you need to round out your coaching staff and I'll get to that. You need to have some kind of motto, some kind of identity. Clearly did not have that last year. And number three is quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. I will give get into that next thing, next thing after quarterback. Guys, what got Stefanski to where it is? It was Delvin Cook and then it was Nick Chubb. We need some running backs, guys. We need some running backs. And last but not least, it's the tight end room for Stefanski. And I'll, I'll get into that as well. But the first thing is, my first point, I like where we are at with coach. And the one thing is, is we didn't fire Stefanski. Usually a 3 and 14 warrant that. I was worried on Black Monday, I'm not gonna lie. I didn't think you were gonna survive once you beat the Steelers, you needed to win a couple games. I thought that being said, as the season went on, you don't have desean Watson he's not there. You. Jamis Winston's there with a. Kind of a weird scenario. And I'll get into that. And you have Ken Dorsey. This team game is not and was never made for Ken Dorsey. You have Kevin Stefanski personnel running a pass happy offense. It didn't work. And it's pretty much like Kevin got a mulligan. Okay, and what's the good part of this, guys? I think we might have hit a jackpot with Tommy Reese. If you guys, like, looked at all the coaches that this guy worked with and where he kind kind of started. When he came out of Notre Dame, he only tried out for the Redskins for seven days, but he got to knock boots with Sean McVeigh. Then he went to Northwestern. They had a great deal. I think it's Pat Fitzgerald was the coach, real leader guy. A little controversy near the end. We won't get into that. 2016, Mike McCoy, you're kind of like.
[01:23:53] Speaker C: Man, what about that?
[01:23:54] Speaker B: Well, get. Listen to the staff that he was with that year. Ken Wisenhunt, he did okay. Got the cards to the super bowl. And Ken Wisenhunt developed Shane Steichen, Nick Sirianni, and then former Browns offensive coordinator Jeff Davison. Then he goes and he's the quarterback coach for Brian Kelly. Learns to spread offense because Mike McCoy was West Coast. And then.
So that was 217 to 219, 220 to 222. He is the offensive coordinator in 220. 2020 is what I'm trying to say. They were ranked fifth overall. And then he got into more of a. Like the verse. Oh, so it was. It was called hybrid. Right. So not only did he do the spread offerance, but he was a pro style. Pistol, shotgun, everything, Right? And he was still the quarterback coach the entire time that he ran through 2022. For 2022 was the kickoff with Marcus Freeman as head coach. Right. Then who wants him? Nick fricking Saban. Okay, Then he comes here and who does he work with? Mike Brable. He's done all right for himself. So Kevin promotes him to offensive coordinator. He's got all this experience under his belt. This dude comes here and says, hey, I want to work with Stefanski because I like working with a guy because I got to go with the battle with this guy every single day. And not only do when we hire him, Bill Belichick is kind of like, hey, I want to hire this dude. Then Nick Saban says, you should hire this guy. Those are two of the best coaches ever. And they got glowing Reviews for Tommy Reese. Man, I'm feeling really good about this. So the only thing that we need to do now is fill out quarterback coach. And you saw that they had Kristen Jones and he was actually the quality control guy for Stefanski when he was the offensive coordinator for the Vikings. So that might be a fit. But I really want to see a tech like a real QB technician, like somebody that's really going to fix something. And I don't know what's going to happen with Joe Flacco. This is. He's only got a one year deal and I think it ends in the Colts this year, but wouldn't it be nice? And this is, this is just me really posturing guys. Like I don't even know if it's going to be real. Imagine if he came in as a quarterback coach.
[01:26:13] Speaker C: Joe Flacco is the quarterbacks coach.
[01:26:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:26:15] Speaker C: Joe Flacco is the single best Cleveland Browns quarterback I've ever seen in my life.
[01:26:18] Speaker B: So, you know, so I, I was lucky. I, I got to see Bernie Kozar. You know what, when Testa Verde was with Bill Belichick, he was pretty, he was pretty good in those years as well. And. But Joe Flacco was one of the best. But what he does best is he sells Stefanski's offense with those awesome play action fakes his back to the ball and knowing where to go while the ball, while the receivers are going downfield is unreal. And if he could just take that knowledge and just give it to one of our guys, that would be fantastic. And having a good quarterback coach will really round out that coaching staff. So now. Okay guys, but I went back to the second point. We got to have a motto. We got an identity.
[01:27:06] Speaker C: Hold on, Kenny. Before you get to the second point, I want to discuss this first point a little bit because one, one, Joe Flacco. I love this idea. If that happens, I'm going to be so excited for Cleveland Browns football just because of that.
[01:27:18] Speaker A: The same vein as like McCown. Yeah, coming, coming.
[01:27:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. But two, Kenny, Kenny's whole thing before you started this was I, he wanted you to give us hope.
And I will say this, you've instantly given me hope with Tommy Reese because earlier in this episode we basically just came to the agreement that he was a yes man for Kevin Stabinski.
[01:27:44] Speaker A: Well, I said to be fair, I said he has a good resume. I said he's an up and coming.
[01:27:48] Speaker C: Yeah, but I'm just saying.
[01:27:49] Speaker A: And people wanted.
[01:27:50] Speaker C: And I'm not saying that was on you. We agreed in that that he, he was hired because he was going to do what Kevin Stefanski wants him to do as the offensive coordinator.
[01:27:57] Speaker A: I just think that that was a large part of, like, I didn't, I didn't see them going after like an established guy, like just to throw a name, like a Norv Turner type guy. They wanted a guy that was going to work and kind of let, let Kevin take back play calling and kind of let him lead, but be a part of the, the collaboration.
[01:28:17] Speaker B: I, Hunter, I 100% support that too, because, I mean, I think you got a kid with a lot of potential. He's only 32 years old. Okay. He has all the experience that I told you. We need to take Kevin's offense. There's no doubt about the previous years. Like that's the offense was getting stale. Does it work? Does it work all the time? Like there's offenses in the NFL that, you know something's coming and it just works no matter what. The Chiefs are fantastic at it. However, Kevin needs a little spice in there, right? He needs a little RPO action. He needs some, some motion somewhere. You know what I mean? Let's give him, let's run the same play, but let's give him 15 different looks. I'm being a little silly with that number, but you know what I mean? Right?
[01:29:00] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:29:01] Speaker B: And does he need, Does Stefanski need a yes man? Yes. Do we need to develop the in house talent that we have? Yes, we do. I think we waited a little bit too long with Drew Pentig. Right. I think they were grooming him and he just got t of not being able to call or tired being stuck as a positional coach. He's doing pretty okay with Kyler Murray right now. Having Kyler Murray is having Kyler Murray. Right. There's good things and bad things about that, but his offense is looking okay. I think this Tommy Reese guy is going to be the same thing. But they learn from the mistake of losing Pensik and they are going to groom this guy. He should be calling plays at some point because I think he's got it in him based on his pedigree.
[01:29:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
Yeah. And so with that, I just wanted to let you know you gave me some hope and I, I really, really appreciate it. So point number two here. Point number two.
[01:29:53] Speaker B: Yeah, man. We need an identity, guys. Like, I mean, when Stefanski got here, you guys all remember what it was? It was basically strong. No, where am I here now?
Strong, tough, accountable and smart. That's what I'm trying to say that was his first one. Now, let's take a quick look back at last season. We were absolutely none of those. We weren't accountable with all those. Those motion penalties. Definitely not smart. I won't lie about this, though, that the defense definitely was tough. Those guys gutted it out through a 3 and 14 season. Not really, by the sounds of it, liking the offense at all, right?
[01:30:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:30:37] Speaker B: And Nick Chubb gutted it out. He gutted it out in his rehab. He gutted it out through the year. Broke his foot, unfortunately. There's some guys that definitely got it out. Right. So I'm not going to say they're not tough. Right. Or soft or anything like that. And even near the end of the year, that defense was hitting, man. And that's one thing that. That we need to see. But I think I'm going to slightly tweak it, you know, tweak it. We got to be gritty, we got to be aggressive, and we got. Got to be fast. I'm not too worried about the accountability right now. We need. Those are the things that's going to make the offense go. And all I'm really talking about is the offense. Because if you listened to Barry's presser. Did we talk anything about defense? Hell, no. Because the offense only averaged. What was it, 15, two points a game. Yeah, the last three games, they averaged six. Six points a game. That sucks, man. That totally sucks. So the rest of the points from here and that gritty, that grittiness can be taken anywhere across the team. Okay. If you got grit mainly, though, I want that in the trenches. Aggressive again across the team, but fast. I'm talking offense, man. Yeah, sure, you can play defense fast. I mean, we want that, too. And we got some great guys. Miles fast for what he does. Denzel's fast for what he does. I mean, hell, Thornhill's probably fast enough when he's not jogging. Right? And, yeah, Jock Thornhill and. But the next one. Guys, my third point.
[01:32:09] Speaker C: Unless you guys. Hold on, hold on. Don't jump the gun yet. I have. I have something there. I just wanted to point out the accountability thing. Yeah, I'm glad you took that off the list, because it's pretty hard to be accountable when you've got that quarterback that we do on the. On the roster taking up all our money and. Yeah, just. Just throwing it out there. Go on. Point number three.
[01:32:30] Speaker B: Yeah. So point number three, and there's three points. It's quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. Clean out the freaking room. Clean it Right out. I want a veteran free agent. I'm gonna draft two rookies, man, this year. Why not draft two every year until you actually hit on it? You know what I mean?
As far as it goes, I think if you want to salvage a season, I really don't know what Stefanski has or what the parameters are going to be for him to last another year. Does he have to be 10 and 7 or 11 and 6 or what? Whatever it is, I'm going to pretend he's got a year. I think he's going to go with Kurt Cousins if he gets a cut. I don't see where he doesn't get cut. I don't see Kurt Cousins actually sitting behind Pennx. If he does get cut, it'd be a very similar to Russell Wilson. So you're paying peanuts for him.
[01:33:22] Speaker C: The while you're Russell Wilson might be available.
[01:33:25] Speaker B: He so it, his stats look good on Pff, I, I, I don't know about that, but our board man would.
[01:33:31] Speaker C: Be so excited if the Browns got Russell Wilson. He loves Russell Wilson.
[01:33:35] Speaker B: Oh, is that, are you being facetious or.
[01:33:37] Speaker C: No, he really does. He loves Russell Wilson. Okay.
[01:33:40] Speaker B: I thought you're, you're like, no, this guy doesn't like it. I, I, I would go like guys go with what they know. Right? Stefanski doesn't know Russell Wilson. Okay. That, that's, I, I don't think it's a bad one, but because he did do some good for the Steelers especially, he held them in a good position based on what they have for defense and didn't always put him in the wrong. Right. Unless until that last game, till the playoff game, I meant to say. And then what I would go then is Cousins draft a rookie. I like Ward, you know, I don't think he's going to be available. I think he's got the arm. I think he's got a lot of intangibles. The one thing that I like, and this has been mentioned on the podcast, I go on, this is my take, this is Josh's. But he has come up and played well through programs that are okay. He's been elite with okay talent. And so he's constantly bringing guys up. That's what you need. That's what Mahomes does. That's what, well, I don't know about Josh Allen yesterday. Generally he brings his guys up, right. And that's what I'm looking for. I mean, I could see because Dave, because of Derek Carr, Not David Carr, Derek Carr, maybe. Same thing happens to him. He gets Cut. New Orleans is in a bad cat position as we are, so maybe they don't keep them with a new coach that's coming in and we could possibly get him because obviously in Clint Kubak system he looked fantastic in the first two games when he had all his pieces and he go ahead.
[01:35:20] Speaker A: He's kind of, he's kind of said though that he wants paid. Right. I mean he wants starter money.
[01:35:25] Speaker B: Yeah. So I, I, that's a, a pie in the sky pick for me. You know what I mean? Get a year or two out of car and develop somebody. But here's the thing. I like, I don't know about you guys. Like, how are you feeling about this rookie QB crop?
[01:35:42] Speaker C: Not great, to be honest with you. And, and can't I'll jump in here because I think I've been really critical of the, of the rookie QBs. But yeah, you mentioned Cam Ward. I probably would have been the highest on Cam Ward up until the bowl game and it really rubbed me the wrong way that he, I don't, if he would have sat out the entire game, I would have been like, yeah, he's going to be an NFL, he's top five pick. Of course that I, whatever, I don't care. But the fact that he played in the game until he got his record and then sat out and they ended up losing a one point game, it just really rubbed me the wrong. Like you didn't go back in for a drive to, to try and win this thing for him.
[01:36:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I don't get, I don't get the whole Miami thing on that. Like so basically my understanding is that the, the school said what do you want? And they, they basically told him we want you to get the record, but if we can play our dude, if we can develop our other quarterback in a bowl game, we would like to, it's my understanding. And he agreed to it and that's.
[01:36:45] Speaker C: A, that's a better spin on it, I guess if that's true. I don't, I don't, you know, I'm not, I have no connection to them. So I don't know for sure what actually happened. And that could be all spin because you know, it's good for Miami if they have a number one draft pick too.
[01:36:59] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:37:00] Speaker C: But I just, it just was a bad look to me. It would have been better for him to sit out completely and say, you know, my, my overall career is that important to me. I don't want to get hurt. And so the record doesn't mean that much to me and, and whatever. But I, I don't know, it just came off as very selfish the way that it played out. So, and then Shador Sanders just has a lot to, I, I, I, I don't think Shador San Sanders is going to be terrible. I just, there's nothing that Shador Sanders brings to the table that I'm like, man, this guy is for sure a lock in the top five. Like he's going to be a great quarterback.
[01:37:36] Speaker B: So the limited stuff I've done on Shador is for me, like, personally, I don't want the Deion Sanders headache.
I just rather not deal with it. It's, it, it's not like desean Watson, the baggage he has dad hanging over him. But I don't need to hear desean watches Deion Sanders opinion on every single time if, when we lose.
[01:38:00] Speaker C: Right. Well, and here's, here's the thing is I don't, we talked about it earlier in the show. I think a lot of that is brought on by the media and not necessarily Dion himself, but that's, that, that doesn't mean it's not going to happen because the media is going to do what it does and as soon as he says anything, they'll read too far into it. They'll think he's trying to meddle even if he's not. And I just, I agree with you. I think it creates a service.
[01:38:22] Speaker B: Yeah, you hit the nail, you hit the nail on the head right there, man. It's exactly that. I know he's going to run his mouth and I, but I do believe what you're saying after kind of like reading over this in the last little bit that it is overblown by anybody on the media like us, the all users and the media itself.
[01:38:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Kenny, my question to these guys earlier just in our show was just if his was Shadur Smith, would there be as many people that are like, absolutely. I don't want this guy like when you look at his body of work in college, especially the last year, would there be as many people without prime time and all the, the circus, would there be as many people that are adamantly against it? I think, yeah, sorry, go ahead.
[01:39:07] Speaker B: I was going to say I'm going to one up you on that one as well. Imagine, imagine if it was just, you know, Shador Smith and it was Jim Bob that was his coach, you know, and he wasn't, he wasn't playing to his talents. He was playing the win or you know, maybe there's a couple extra plays in there that just made sure look that extra much better. You know, like he led or maybe he didn't lead. He was top four, top five in screenplays. Maybe that's part of Pat Shermer's game. Because Pat Shermer's the OC there, right? Maybe if it was Jim Bob the coach, maybe Patrick, Pat Shimmer's not the coordinator and then the numbers aren't great. That being said, using pro athletes that have pro fathers, they know the trade, they know what's going to happen. Like look at Clay Matthews Jr. You know, he did really well. He did better than college because he knew what to expect and he knew how to grind and put the time in. So I have all the reservations you guys have, but I'm not going to just cast them at side either and say he's just Deion Sanderson, he's getting preferential treatment. He does do enough when the pocket breaks down. He does hold on the ball too long for time wise, but he makes plays happen. It's not against the SEC, it's not against the Big Ten, it's against the Pack, Pac12. And so it's a little bit less in some people's eyes, but we'll see what he can do in a Kevin Stefanski off offense if he gets drafted.
[01:40:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I think the biggest thing, and I, I don't know for sure, I'm not going to speak for you, but what I think the better route is is to, you know, I think some of the second, third round quarterbacks are more appealing to me and you try and round out your team as best you can. You do have four picks in the top 100. So you, you go and you with your top pick and with your second round pick you go and maybe you get somebody else. Like for me, I, what I, my best case scenario, what I would love to see the Browns do is go with like Carter early on and have a dominant, dominant end opposite Miles Garrett that frees both of them up to be able to wreak havoc and maybe your defense starts to cover up for some of your, you know, your, your, your lack of quarterback talent.
[01:41:26] Speaker B: So yeah, if you're going that way, then I think you're almost going to get Justin Fields or you're, you're going to trade for a quarterback that you could know you can get four years out. Ultimately what happens is I, I made this point the other day on the other podcast that I'm on. I said for the guys that are in, in my lifetime that I saw play that Aren't first round that are. Aren't first round picks that are in the hall of Fame right now that have won Super Bowls. I can't name very many. Okay. I can only think of Joe Montana. He's the only guy that I played. He was a third rounder. Every other guy like Troy Amman, I name another one.
[01:42:06] Speaker C: Tom Brady.
[01:42:07] Speaker B: No, he's not in the hall of Fame yet though. So count that. But he, he's. He. You know what I mean? Like he's. He's gonna get there. But I mean the guys that are currently in the hall of Fame now. But even that, like that. Like he literally had a 1% chance, no 5% chance of making the team and 5 for him to become what he was and like one of the best players ever. Let's say 0.0001% chance. Right. And you got to still swing at the bat though. I'm not saying that. But if you. If the Browns need to hit and put these 40 quarterbacks behind them, they got to keep swinging. Two is as high as you're ever going to get in this draft. And I get taking the best player available. Hell, I like, I like. It's my next point. So maybe I'll get in that.
[01:42:50] Speaker C: But yeah, bring them together. Just, just. Just keep going.
[01:42:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So. So the, the other one though that I do see, like if you get Justin Fields, you're. You're gonna have him for four years. Then you can maybe develop a guy. Can't play him right away like we did to Charlie Frye and like even Brandon Wheaton and all these guys. Like we just put them out there too fast. I can see them maybe doing like a Will Howard type guy. That's not being.
[01:43:16] Speaker C: Yeah, now we're talking.
[01:43:17] Speaker B: I'm not being a Buckeye homer on this. Like if you look either coming out of college, guess who he was. Like, I got it pulled up right now and it rhymes.
[01:43:27] Speaker C: It rhymes with Akko Flaco. So you know, we like where this is going. Flaco is quarterbacks coach. Flaco. Look, a Flacco play alike as our quarterback. I. I like it.
[01:43:41] Speaker B: So when he came out, you mentioned.
[01:43:42] Speaker C: Brandon Wheaton real quick. Sorry, Kenny. You mentioned Brandon Wheaton. We had to start him right away. He was 35 years old. So.
[01:43:47] Speaker B: Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.
[01:43:50] Speaker C: That's true.
[01:43:51] Speaker B: He did have that baseball experience.
I get it.
[01:43:55] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:43:55] Speaker B: But hey, you know What? Joe Flacco, six, six. I. I believe Will Howard. Six, four, six, four.
[01:44:02] Speaker C: £240 about for Will Howard. Yeah. Two.
[01:44:06] Speaker B: 230, 236.
[01:44:08] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:44:08] Speaker B: Around there. That's what Flacco is. They both ran a four eight six Right. And they're measurables and I believe their shuttle time was the same as well. But I don't have that stuff in front of me. I remember they were very comparable though.
[01:44:23] Speaker C: But I, I'll say this about Will Howard. I. I watched Joe Flacco play in Cleveland. I watched Will Howard and obviously Will Howard's younger now than Joe Flacco was when he played for Cleveland. But will, Will Howard is significantly faster than Joe Flacco. Like just by the eye test you. He's. He's faster.
[01:44:40] Speaker B: Game speed 100. Will Howard arm strength. Joe Faco.
[01:44:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I'll give you that.
[01:44:46] Speaker B: Right. And then Jackson dart. I keep hearing about. I have nothing really to say because I've not watched anything on this guy other than he's got arm, he's talented. So he's like a two way player. You're basically looking a guy that can do everything that the Browns are looking for. You can run your rpos, he can do everything. And where is the thing on him?
[01:45:09] Speaker C: That's who Kenny likes as far as past the first round.
[01:45:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:45:12] Speaker C: If he sticks to a second round pick he's starting to climb draft boards.
[01:45:16] Speaker B: So I think he's going to have a great senior bull. I think he's going to go in the first round. I mean if you look at just a small little diddy on him right now, Darn's tape shows Glenn gunslinger plus the ability to be accurate and a true, true dual threat at the next level. Good luck at keeping him at like in the third round. He's gonna go fast.
[01:45:36] Speaker C: Well the only thing I think is if he does slip to the second, the Browns do have the first pick in the second round.
[01:45:40] Speaker B: So that would be. That would be definitely something that you would see because in the entire playoffs right now everybody was a first rounder. And I'll even, I'll even go in what Blake says. I'll include Russell Wilson as a first rounder because he was drafted in the third round. But we all know he just, he only flopped that, that low because he was 5, 2, 10. Okay. The other guy is hurts. He was second round. Everybody else other than Cousin. No, Cousins didn't make the playoffs. Was a first round draft pick. Right?
[01:46:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Real quick too. Just while we're talking about quarterbacks, Kenny, I think I have. I'm a little more optimistic about this draft class.
You know, I think we all Know it like that's the enigma, right? Like if you figure out quarterback, you saw a lot of problems on your team and we just haven't been able to do it to the tune of 40 times.
And so I just, I look at it and I just get weary with these draft classes because we've heard obviously all the talk, oh, this isn't a quarterback heavy drafter that, you know, the guys that you really want are coming next year. But you know, I think before this season, a guy like Quinn Ewers was supposed to be kind of the lock guy, right? Like, everybody kind of looked at him, said he'll probably be the best quarterback in college football and look what happened to him during this year, right? Like he's going to have to come back now, probably, probably and play another year of college football because he didn't have it this year. So, so my, my whole point, I guess is just like you can wait till next year forever, right? Because you can browse.
[01:47:10] Speaker C: Has been doing it forever because there's.
[01:47:12] Speaker A: No guarantee that even when, even if Arch Manning gets to play next year, does Arch Manning have the, the, the greatest career, greatest season in, in Texas, his Longhorns football. Like, there's no guarantee of that. He could be bad, he could get hurt. And so you just kind of get into this forever. To me, it's more important that you identify a guy whose skill set you can work with and you build and develop your team around him. So whether that guy is Cam Ward, whether that guy is Dur Sanders, whether that guy is a Will Howard or Jackson dart, like, do you have the ability, do you have the patience and the wherewithal to say this is our guy and we like his skill set because of this and build your team around what he does best. Instead of saying, this is my system, I think this guy can run it and hope that he can. And otherwise, again, you're just waiting until the next year. Every year. And quarterback is just such a puzzle to begin with, right? I mean, even look at some of the guys that are the top of the game in the last 10 years, 15 years, guys like Aaron Rogers wasn't a top five pick. Guys like Patrick Mahomes weren't top five picks. Like they were guys that, that fell a little bit and were identified as like, hey, we, we like this. Obviously teams early passed on those guys because of one reason or another. So I just, it's not as easy to me as to be like, well, these are definitely the guys you can't miss on because we see can't miss. Guys miss all the time. It's just a matter of what you do with the guy that you pick.
[01:48:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I think he'd hit the nail on the head. And this goes back to Tommy Reese. He said like numerous times in his presser, I gotta take the guy and I gotta accentuate those. Those strengths. Right. And if you're gonna build an offense around a guy that basically, you know, has strong arm or whatever the talent is, he's fast, then. Then exploit those strengths and get the most out of them and get him in an offense that he can. He can run.
[01:49:16] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. And so no, I. And good points all around here. I think we're up to. That was point number three, if I'm not mistaken, Kenny, for was. I got sidetracked for a little bit.
[01:49:29] Speaker B: Yeah, well, the court, the quarterback room is like one of the biggest ones. And you know what?
[01:49:34] Speaker C: It's the biggest one. Right.
[01:49:35] Speaker B: You know that. That's. That's basically what Stefanski's bread and butter was, is running this wide zone option to get Chub out and get Kareem Hunt. And man, we had a great 2020 season and we had nothing like it. It was the complete opposite last year. It was like a dead room almost. And like, for us to think that Foreman was going to be a better option than Cream Hunt, I mean, obviously Kansas City is using Cream Hunt the way he should. We would have never used Cream Hunt the way he was meant to be used this year. Right. That being said, we got to get back to that. I love the allure of Genti. I don't know if it's realistic to take a running back that high anymore. But I mean, I think he's has Barry standards like qualities like just with the way that he runs with his legs always at a 90 degree angles, you know what I mean? Like, he's always, always making people miss. But that being said, I mean, maybe that's something they can't. They can do. If you're looking at keeping a course back, like fields for four years and you're developing a Milro, you know, because that's always a connection that you're reading with Reese now A lot of people think that's tantalizing if you could get all that talent. But I mean, I don't even know with Milro. He kind of had a down year after Tommy wasn't his OC anymore. He's got the arm, he's super athletic. Just. He's super raw though. So he'd be A guy you were talking about Aaron Rodgers. And even with Mahomes sat for a year. Roger sat for like three years. Jordan Love sat for three, four years. Like, they were like, what are they going to do with these guys? They're sitting too long. But look at the careers they had. Somebody like, if you drafted Jalen Noro, like, he's sitting for a while, man, that guy's going to have to, like, he's going to have to learn, right?
[01:51:25] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:51:25] Speaker B: And that, that's. But getting back to the. See, I just want to talk about quarterbacks all day.
[01:51:31] Speaker C: It's the most important one. We know it. We know it.
[01:51:34] Speaker B: And again, like, I, like, here's me going to be a, a Buckeye homer again. I, I loved Kareem and Chub and man, I would love to have Henderson and Junkins, man.
[01:51:45] Speaker C: Actually, no, you, you talk about Judkins and, and Henderson and Judkins is ranked higher on all the boards and he's the guy that everybody's after. I saw that guy get hawked one too many times. I'm actually on the Henderson bandwagon. Henderson, when he, when he breaks a run, you aren't catching him. So I like, I like Henderson a lot more.
[01:52:05] Speaker B: He's amazing. I just have to take a look and see, like, do I have what Henderson might be able to do in Ford already, right? Or is it going to be a screen guy? Is he going to be a third down guy? Is it going to be in every down guy? Because he's injured all the time for junkins, man. He, that guy looked like Kareem Hunt. Like, you're going to get three yards no matter what. You're going to get a goal line runner. You're going to get a guy that was blocking because against Texas, that guy was a blocker, man. He was unreal. You know, when that guy's pumped, like he's ready to get in the end zone, he reminded me a lot of Cream Hunt. Obviously, you can tell I, I miss Cream.
[01:52:40] Speaker C: Cream Hunt's a good comparison because Cream Hunt. Cream Hunt gets hawked too. So it's, it's a good comparison. I saw that quite a bit when he was with the Browns. So. Sorry, you were. What were you pointing out there?
[01:52:50] Speaker B: Oh, that's Kareem right up here, man. My boy right up there. Signed all.
[01:52:54] Speaker C: Yeah. So while I was destroying.
No, I love Kareem Hunt as well. You mentioned Jerome Ford. And I mean, I gotta ask, where are you at with Jerome Ford? Because we've been off the Jerome Ford bandwagon since before this last season started. And to me, he kind of proved it again this year. Like, yeah, every once in a while he's going to hit a home run and he's going to get you a long touchdown. But overall, he's not that reliable of a back. He basically averages 2 yards of carry.
[01:53:21] Speaker B: Yeah, he's, he's a guy that you don't want. Want running a lot. You want him to be your, you want him to be your third, third down back. You want him out of the backfield. He's an amazing pass catcher and I, I think you can get some even like maybe a gadget play here and there with his speed. He's going to run draws like he's. He, he is what, he's going to.
[01:53:44] Speaker C: Run the double reverse.
[01:53:46] Speaker B: Yeah, he's gonna, yeah, just don't pass or do anything like that, but I think there's a role for him. But he's your, he's. He's going to be third on your depth chart, but he could have a career just. That can get a couple big plays. But he's not, he's just still dances too much and you got to get a guy that can just fall down for one. And he's not one of those guys. I mean, I mean, I would even look at what's his name from ufc. He's from Central Florida. Hardy. I forget his first name. It's RJ or Junior. Junior Hardy is a guy that I think you can get the same production out of without the burst. But you're going to get that, you're going to get that, that, that yardage that you need out of like not quite like a Nick Chub, but maybe like a Cream hunt, like a Fred Taylor almost, you know, back in the day.
[01:54:36] Speaker C: Yep.
So the running back room is number four.
[01:54:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you know what made Stefanski great, man? He loves the tight end and we didn't have any tight ends. And if you go, if you go back to his days, even in with the Vikings, that guy had Kyle Rudolph, he had Irv Smith Jr got a lot out of him. There were big time red zone targets and they even had what's his name, Tony Conlon or whatever. He's, he's with the jets right now. I could see him coming back to the Browns, but you really get some guys that can block. I love like a Jor. I would love a George K. Type player. Like a real passionate, a real guy that said that, that like fits that mantra that I said. Gritty, aggressive, Fast, like he plays fast. He doesn't have to have a 40 time. That's like a 4:2. He might be a 4:8 or 4:6 or whatever he is, but he just plays fast. He plays like I need another tight end like that because I like Najoku. He can do, he can do it. He's fast, he can run up the seam. He can do a lot. He drops a lot though, which is super frustrating. So I like to keep, maybe keep him back if someone can catch a little bit better. But man, he can block. There's a noticeable difference in our run game when the joke is in there and he, he's worth every penny when we break runs and he's the cause of it.
[01:55:52] Speaker C: Yeah, he also needs to stay healthy. I mean that's, that's another big thing with Najoku. I mean I know that's, that's easier said than done and injuries are a part of the game but I mean it just gets frustrating when again I know he can't control that necessarily, but it's just frustrating year after year to see him go down for extended periods of time.
[01:56:09] Speaker A: Especially this year it seemed like he was on the injury report every week.
[01:56:12] Speaker C: So. Yeah, and so I don't, I mean that's a whole other subject. We kind of toy with that subject every once in a while on the show as if they need new strength and conditioning coaches.
[01:56:23] Speaker B: But I 100% agree with you and like just to tie in the running back room to the tight end room, like obviously like we need these tight ends so they, they can help break and pop the running backs through this too high safety bubble zone D that we have to watch. Now these guys that can break zones apart are faster tight ends and we saw guys like Ben Sonnett and these guys, these guys are going to develop into great tight ends. You have the kid from the Raiders, you know, Brock Bowers, like God would you love to have that guy on the team, you know what I mean? And even you need a dirty work guy like Friarmouth from the Steelers.
[01:57:04] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. So let's recap here real quick, Kenny. Let's just go through and name your five point plan again just so that we all, we all are on the same page here.
[01:57:16] Speaker B: Well, the Browns are pretty much there with the coaching staff. They pretty much rounded out. We just have a vacancy at QB and we need a technician to get the quarterback going.
To get the quarterback going and the rest of the team going. Obviously we want to be gritty, aggressive and fast. So that pretty much Means we need weapons. Right? Weapons. Because I'm not worried about the. The offensive line will be fine. They'll get it together.
Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback.
[01:57:43] Speaker C: Remember that.
[01:57:44] Speaker B: Guys, we need three new quarterbacks. See you later, DeSean. You're out of here, pal. And running back room. We need something. I hope it can be Nick Chubb, but I mean, he started to get a little burst back, but we need another chub like player. Somebody that can catch, somebody that can run. I think maybe a Delvin Cook type might be a little bit better for what Stefanski wants. And then last but not least, fill out that tight room because it's pretty. It's pretty bare as well.
[01:58:11] Speaker C: Yeah. And then we even. You even. We hit on the bonus point to your, you know, your. Your five point plan is the six one strength and conditioning coach, so.
[01:58:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:58:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:58:23] Speaker A: A quick question. I know we're probably up against time here. We've had you. We appreciate your time. I don't want to keep you longer than you're willing to stay, but I. Noticeably absent from your five point plan here.
Offensive line. Are you comfortable with the current composition of this offensive line and where it's headed going forward?
[01:58:42] Speaker B: I think through the draft they're going to have enough backups and I'm good with Dewan Jones at left tackle. The one thing that I'd say I'm less or a little apprehensive about is he hasn't lasted a year yet.
I'd like to just get somebody like.
[01:59:00] Speaker C: Get his weight down.
[01:59:01] Speaker B: Zable. Zable Gray out of North Dakota State. He is a mean SOB that likes to finish his blocks and I think he'd be a perfect groom for tackle and maybe if Duan can't stay healthy, maybe he'd be. He's our swing tackle for a couple years, you know, but I think you definitely need some depth there.
[01:59:21] Speaker A: Yeah, fair enough.
[01:59:22] Speaker C: Nice. Well, listen, Kenny, this has been fantastic. As always. You are thorough. You do your research and you know what you're talking about. And we love having you on the show. So we'll be calling as we get into, you know, this is the season three finale. We're getting into the off season here as season four ramps up in the preseason. Next year we really get rolling again. We're definitely going to have you back on the show talking Browns and giving us your takes on what it will take for the Browns to be successful.
[01:59:53] Speaker A: So I feel like Kenny just gave us like four more hours of show to talk about.
[01:59:57] Speaker C: Y should schedule another one soon because we got to break this all down. We gotta unpack that. But no, again.
[02:00:03] Speaker B: Well, no, yeah, that's how. I didn't talk any defense because it's all offense, man. That's what we need.
[02:00:10] Speaker C: I. I agree. So, again, Kenny, thank you so much. We appreciate it. You're always welcome here. Until next time.
[02:00:18] Speaker B: Let's go, Brownies, baby.
[02:00:20] Speaker C: Let' Always a good time talking to Ken.
I can't talk now. Always a good time talking to Kenny Mack. He's just.
[02:00:44] Speaker A: How do you screw up that name?
[02:00:45] Speaker C: I don't know.
Apparently it means strong. I don't. I call. I still call bullshit on that, but.
No, I mean, he's just very insightful. You know, he knows what he's talking about. He does a lot of research on this stuff and. And he brought up a lot of good points here. So.
[02:01:00] Speaker A: Yeah, look, I. I think Kenny Mack just gave us four or five more hours of, like, show to do. Yeah, look, I. At the start of that conversation, I asked Kenny Mack for some hope. He delivered a lot of insight. A lot of. He.
[02:01:13] Speaker C: He started it out well.
[02:01:14] Speaker A: A lot of good ideas.
[02:01:15] Speaker C: With the Tommy Re stuff. He was like. He's like, listen, this is a guy that you could be excited about. His offensive coordinator. And then he instantly took it for a nose dive and told us how many things we have to work on.
[02:01:25] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I think that's. That's the issue. So I'm feeling hopeful. I just feel like the Browns have so many holes.
[02:01:31] Speaker C: It's an uphill battle on offense that.
[02:01:33] Speaker A: You just can't possibly face.
[02:01:35] Speaker C: I did like, yeah, he's. Bring me some hope and love, Kenny Mack. But his final thought was, basically, we need a new offense.
[02:01:44] Speaker A: At one point, he's. We asked him his opinion on Jerome Ford and said he. He's a running back who. You don't want to do much running.
Like, that's like a line cook that you don't want to cook your food. Like, that's kind of not the best place for the Browns to be.
[02:02:00] Speaker C: No.
[02:02:01] Speaker A: So, yeah, I just. I feel like. I feel like that. That kind of. That sentence encapsulates, like, the Browns offense in general. Like, I got a left hand.
[02:02:11] Speaker C: We got a quarterback that we don't want being the quarterback.
[02:02:13] Speaker D: We got what we got to work with.
[02:02:16] Speaker A: Wide receivers. I don't want.
[02:02:17] Speaker C: It is what it is. That's the Browns. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, but it's still great having Kenny Mack on.
[02:02:23] Speaker A: Like, I love having. He had.
[02:02:24] Speaker C: He had a lot of really good points, though. And I mean, if you can address at least a few of these, then we start talking about you get into the range. Like we. We had mentioned before we had that segment with Kenny Mack. You get into the range of six to nine wins if you. If you aren't using your number two pick on a quarterback. I mean, does that. That get you another year as. As the coach? I would tend to think it does if you're working with like a Will Howard or Jaylen Miller row or somebody like that. So.
[02:02:49] Speaker A: We, we. We will see. Look, at the end of the day, here's what I say. Love, Kenny Mack. I love that there's a dude you.
[02:02:55] Speaker C: Still don't have hope.
[02:02:56] Speaker A: I love that there's a dude in. In Ottawa, Canada that just happened to be a Browns fan.
[02:03:00] Speaker C: Holding it down up there because that.
[02:03:01] Speaker A: Was the only channels that came in when he was a kid so he was forced to watch northeast Ohio sports and fell in love with our teams. Like that's cool.
To this day is just still a Die hard is awesome.
[02:03:14] Speaker C: Some people call that fate. Some people call that torture. I don't know. But yeah. Love you, Kenny Mack. We'll have you back on soon. All right, guys, that'll take us to gassed up.
It's that time again. It's time to get gassed up.
[02:03:37] Speaker A: What time is it, Kenny?
[02:03:38] Speaker C: What are you gassed up about today?
[02:03:39] Speaker A: I'll tell you what I'm gassed up about.
[02:03:41] Speaker C: I want to know.
[02:03:44] Speaker A: Inconsiderate people and restaurants and this is. That sounds broad, but let me break that down.
There's a dinner recently.
It looked in the nice restaurant.
Not the nicest restaurant. It was a chain. There's Imagino's. So it's like. It's.
[02:04:03] Speaker C: We've been there recently too. We went when we were in Colorado.
[02:04:05] Speaker A: It's like an expensive Olive garden.
[02:04:07] Speaker D: Yeah.
[02:04:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Expensive Olive garden. That's a perfect way to put it.
[02:04:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's an expensive Olive garden. But it's like a nicer. It's like a place that you like would dress up to go out to bone.
[02:04:14] Speaker C: Have you ever been to expensive Olive garden?
[02:04:16] Speaker A: He went with us when he went.
[02:04:17] Speaker D: To Florida one time with you guys.
[02:04:19] Speaker A: Nice.
[02:04:19] Speaker D: They had that nice cheese dish in the as an app.
[02:04:23] Speaker A: The mozzarella marinara.
[02:04:24] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:04:25] Speaker C: We can all agree we like expensive.
[02:04:26] Speaker A: We like manas. But it's a place that you like. You would. You would like wear a collar shirt to dress probably to dinner and slacks. Like, it's not like you don't show up there like you go into Chuck E. Cheese fair.
It was a Saturday night.
I'm sitting there with my family. I look over and I see the waitresses start putting together tables.
A lot of tables.
It's prime time. Dinner on Saturday night. It's like 7 o'clock.
There's a 20, 20 top of dudes that comes in and sits down a 20 top.
[02:05:06] Speaker C: First of all, how. Who has that many friends?
[02:05:08] Speaker A: Well, well, like, right, so what I'm.
[02:05:09] Speaker C: Saying is like, I want to know.
[02:05:10] Speaker A: Explain to me the scenario in which 20 grown ass men have to get together for dinner on a Saturday night in prime time. Like, what is, what is the reason?
[02:05:19] Speaker C: This goes back to who has that many friends.
[02:05:21] Speaker A: But, but like, what's the reason? Like what?
[02:05:23] Speaker D: NFL fantasy football.
[02:05:26] Speaker A: They weren't like doing anything. So like they were, they were just having dinner. My point though is like, if you have a group that large, why aren't you doing the due diligence to book a reservation somewhere that has a private dining room, your own area. You're not bringing nine people in a family on vacation together for dinner. You have 20 grand. Grown ass men for what re. Like, give me a, a good explanation why 20 men have to have dinner together. It's Bob's retirement party. Private room. It's someone's anniversary, work anniversary. Private room. Why are you taking 20 seats in prime time at a restaurant that people are going out to dinner with their, their families or their kids? Like, for. You're just, you're just taking up a whole lot of servers and a whole lot of time. You're putting the kitchen back. Like everything about this is inconsiderate and there's just no good reason for it.
[02:06:24] Speaker C: Sons of bitches.
[02:06:25] Speaker A: I can't think of a reason why I would invite 19 grown men out to dinner on a Saturday night.
[02:06:30] Speaker C: I go back to who has this many friends. I know you don't.
[02:06:34] Speaker A: Even if I did though, but if I did, I wouldn't inconvenience everybody else just trying to have dinner like with their wife on a Saturday night. I would go somewhere where I know they have a private dining room that can accommodate 20 people. What is so important that 20 men have to get together for like, give me one reason why that it would, that you would be like, that's justifiable.
There's no reason why 20 men should ever have dinner together, period.
[02:07:04] Speaker D: I can't think of any.
[02:07:06] Speaker A: To do it in prime time. Doing it prime time at a popular restaurant in this city.
[02:07:10] Speaker C: Like just because I can't think of One scenario. Why that would be good. I'm going to agree with you.
I don't even.
[02:07:16] Speaker A: Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, give me one reason why 20 dudes are like, you know what, let's go out to a nice restaurant.
[02:07:23] Speaker C: I'm not gonna lie. Most of it, most of my life I try and find reasons to argue with you because I don't agree with anything you say ever.
But in this instance, I'm gonna go with it because I can't find a good reason why you would have 20.
[02:07:37] Speaker D: People, they all serve together in the same unit in, in Iraq.
[02:07:41] Speaker A: Private room, private room.
Go tell war stories in a private room.
Why go to a busy restaurant on Saturday night? It's just inconsiderate and it's, and it's stupid.
[02:07:52] Speaker C: I'm just gonna go back to my original comment.
[02:07:54] Speaker A: Sons of like, you're not that important.
[02:07:57] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:07:58] Speaker A: And if you are, private room, private room. Inconveniencing. Everybody else wants to come out to dinner. Like I had. I wasn't inconvenienced because I had a reservation. We got there before they even got there. I just was annoyed. Looking at the waiting room of the restaurant and all these people now have to wait for all these tables to come open and knowing that whoever's ordering food at these people is going to be inconvenienced by 20 orders coming back at once. And then also watching the poor wait staff who are making, you know, three bucks an hour plus tips, have to take care of a 20 top of dudes. Like, what reason is there to get together with 20 grown ass men that you wouldn't do it on your own in a separate area?
It's just super inconsiderate and just a bad job out of them. Just that out of them.
[02:08:43] Speaker C: So Kenny's gassed up about 20 dudes not using private rooms the way they should be used.
[02:08:50] Speaker A: That's not how you, it's not how you go to dinner.
[02:08:53] Speaker C: When I say it that way, it sounds more nefarious than it is.
[02:08:56] Speaker A: It's not how you go to dinner.
[02:08:58] Speaker C: Bone, what are you guessed up about? All right.
[02:09:00] Speaker D: I, I, I just recently switched mine out because I had something else. But I, I was going to talk talk about Gladiator too, but I don't want to give anything away since you guys haven't seen it. It's relatively new out on.
[02:09:10] Speaker C: The more I hear about it, the more I'm probably not going to see it. It just will ruin.
[02:09:14] Speaker D: You need to watch it, cuz.
[02:09:16] Speaker C: Yeah, Do I really need to watch it? Answer me that. Just answer me that. I really need to watch it.
[02:09:22] Speaker D: No, but you should.
[02:09:23] Speaker C: But you should. I just wanted to get that out of you. I know the answer is no, but go on.
[02:09:27] Speaker A: Can I ask one question?
[02:09:28] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:09:28] Speaker A: Like, on a scale of 1 to 10, how strong is the tie back to the original? Like, I know what's her face is in it and what's his face like grows up as Lucious, I would say the tie.
[02:09:40] Speaker D: Yeah.
[02:09:40] Speaker A: Like is.
[02:09:40] Speaker D: It is just based off that it's really strong.
[02:09:43] Speaker A: It is strong.
[02:09:43] Speaker D: But yeah, that's all I'll get into because what are you. Guess I don't like about it. Yeah, but the visuals. The visuals are good. You can't deny that.
[02:09:53] Speaker A: That's the only thing that makes me want to watch it is like, I see the previews and I'm like, it looks cool.
[02:09:57] Speaker C: You mean to tell me that they don't have the gas canister in the back of the Chariot that you could see and post product? You know, I'm talking about in the original Gladiator.
[02:10:04] Speaker A: I've never seen that, and I've seen Gladiator like a million times.
[02:10:07] Speaker C: Look closely. When they're battling in there and the one chariot falls over, you can see the gas canister. But anyways, go on.
[02:10:12] Speaker D: Okay, 180.
[02:10:14] Speaker C: Because it, because it goes off. Because the gas, the chariot flips on its side and that's how they do the special effect. And so when it falls like a thing, a sheet or whatever they're using to cover the chariot falls back. You can see a green gas canister in the chariot. It's like if the most famous like, like post production mistake in Gladiator.
[02:10:33] Speaker A: Never seen it, but go on.
[02:10:35] Speaker D: Okay, so 180 here.
A book, a book I recently have been reading is American Crucifixion, the murder of John Joseph Smith and the fate of the Mormon Church. So I watched this show.
[02:10:47] Speaker C: Sounds heavy.
[02:10:48] Speaker D: I watched this show about what he does for his.
[02:10:53] Speaker C: This is what I do in my spare time.
[02:10:54] Speaker D: Yeah, well, I watched this show and it had some ties to the Mormon Church in Utah and like in frontier times, expansion, westward expansion there in Utah, blah, blah, blah. It's on Netflix.
[02:11:04] Speaker A: It was.
[02:11:06] Speaker C: He's not only a Mormon, he's the spiritual leader of his family.
[02:11:10] Speaker D: So, all right, so anyways. So anyways, this book, it seems to be pretty well researched, pretty well established that Joseph Smith was polygamy, polygamous, whatever. The early church. It was a like, kind of like four or five Years after he started the church, he started getting revelations from Jesus that he was supposed to marry other women. He was supposed to marry people in his own church who were already married. He was taking their wives because Jesus told him to do it.
[02:11:36] Speaker C: Most people that start churches, this is how it starts.
[02:11:38] Speaker D: And then he started getting members like Brigham Young was his right hand man, he started getting him to do it. A few other characters who were tight in the church to do it, blah blah, blah. It's not really a thing that they do now. They put that in the past and it's something that they try to distance themselves from and deny that it ever happened. So I was telling this story to somebody about this. It's anywhere from 35 to 42 extra wives. It was called the plurality of wives. That was the doctrine essentially.
And it has something to do with. In heaven later on you have these wives and you're bringing more people to the kingdom or something. I don't have all the details, but I'm not an expert on it. But anyways, my phone was listening to me talk about this. It's doing it right now as we speak. And I started getting spammed with pro Mormon propaganda. Like I've heard of advertisements. Like, you know, I talk about a product I start seeing that come up in social media or videos or whatever I started. I don't have any social media by the way. I watch YouTube videos every now and then, like shorts.
[02:12:44] Speaker C: It makes it extremely frustrating when you're trying to promote a show.
[02:12:47] Speaker D: Yeah, Yeah. I have zero social media. I don't have a YouTube account. I watch and consume some videos. Thank you. So.
[02:12:56] Speaker C: That'S minus one subscriber.
[02:12:58] Speaker D: Pro Mormon podcasts started showing up on like my algorithm. Essentially advertisements for extra wives. No, no, no, but it's the stuff. The videos that were coming up are people who are trying to deny that Joseph Smith was ever in a polygus polygamous relationships with anybody.
And it was. I just found it so odd that the Mormon Church is paying a company to, to, to do this. However this works. I don't know. I know advertisers do it to sell you products, but this is literally the church. We gotta get people pumping money into this advertising firm that, that listens to us and then, then promotes whatever to influence us later on so through social media. So I just thought that was just bizarre and it just is. You wanna know?
[02:13:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean it's YouTube collecting your data and then selling it to.
[02:13:49] Speaker D: Exactly. However that works. I don't know how that works, but in their.
[02:13:52] Speaker C: And all their stuff, it says our microphone. The microphone may or may not be listening to you.
[02:13:56] Speaker D: Without a doubt, it was because I never had a Mormon.
[02:13:59] Speaker C: The more I've heard, I've heard all these explanations from, like, tech people on, like, how your phone's not actually listening to you. It's because when you're around people, the phones can talk to each other. And then it tells me, like, what you've been searching or what you've been watching or what you've been doing. I don't believe that for a second. It definitely listen to us. Because when I haven't been around anybody.
[02:14:16] Speaker A: Else too many coins.
[02:14:17] Speaker C: When I have been around anybody else that's talking about the same that I'm talking about, that I just happen to, like, tell my wife, like, I saw this one product one time six years ago, and then all of a sudden, it pops up in my feed. Like, yeah, absolutely. You. You were listening to me. But anyways, this is like, do I.
[02:14:33] Speaker D: Just find that bizarre?
[02:14:34] Speaker C: Do you know who else was into polygamy?
David Koresh. Sure.
[02:14:39] Speaker D: There you go.
[02:14:42] Speaker A: I'll take your theory here one step further.
You know, are we living in a simulation? Because not only are there plenty of coincidences, I hear this. You hear these stories all the time. Like, oh, I never looked this up. I never googled it. I never put it in my search bar. And then all of a sudden, I started getting advertisements for it. How about when I was thinking, I would like to buy a throne?
[02:15:04] Speaker C: That's very weirdly specific.
[02:15:08] Speaker A: It's a very specific thought, one that I never shared with anyone, because who would you tell? Hey, you know what? I'm thinking about buying a throne. Like, a king's throne. I don't know why that went through my head.
[02:15:19] Speaker C: Or if you ever win King of the North.
[02:15:20] Speaker A: This was before King of the north existed. Right. Like, this was four years ago, five years ago. I was thinking I might just get a just giant king's throne, and that might just sit in it in my house. I'm the king of the castle. And then I started getting advertisements for kings. King's thrones.
[02:15:38] Speaker D: Yeah. Bizarre.
[02:15:39] Speaker A: It's the intertwined consciousness of all beings and all electricity.
[02:15:44] Speaker D: You're already bugged? We're all bugged.
[02:15:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I never, like. I never googled that. I was never, like, let me even see what's possible. All of a sudden, I start getting ads for it.
[02:15:53] Speaker C: Well, don't worry. You'll never need a throne because you'll never win King of the North.
[02:15:56] Speaker A: That wasn't why I wanted one to begin with. Either way, I just want a throne.
[02:15:59] Speaker C: To be King Bone. So what was this book called again that you were.
[02:16:02] Speaker D: It's called American Crucifixion. The whole title, American Crucifixion. The shoot, I clicked on it. The Murder of Joseph Smith and the Fate of the Mormon Church by Alex Beam.
[02:16:14] Speaker C: So you are not gassed up about American Crucifixion, the murder of Joseph Smith, Smith and the fate of the Mormon Church.
[02:16:22] Speaker A: That's a good book.
[02:16:23] Speaker D: It's really well researched.
[02:16:24] Speaker C: But you're not gassed up about that. You're just gassed up about your phone listening to you.
[02:16:27] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:16:28] Speaker C: Okay, cool. Just wanted to make sure.
[02:16:30] Speaker A: Was Joseph Smith murdered?
[02:16:31] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:16:32] Speaker A: Like, actual, like, physically murdered?
[02:16:35] Speaker D: You want the short story?
[02:16:37] Speaker C: Yeah, sure.
[02:16:37] Speaker D: Well, essentially, a competing newspaper, he tried to get this guy's wife. He started a competing newspaper that's saying this doesn't belong in the Mormon Church. He was still a Mormon, but essentially the newspaper was putting out information to bash Joseph Smith in the Mormon Church, or not really the Mormon Church, but Joseph Smith. Specifically Joseph Smith got him and his cronies, they went and demolished this. This print shop, burned everything inside of it, drug it all out in the street, started a huge bonfire, and then he's the law of the land. He. He made his own town called Nauvoo. And he was essentially the magistrate, the judge, the jury. He. He executed the law there so nobody could come in and arrest him. There's a neighboring town, Carthage, I believe, got him to go.
[02:17:19] Speaker C: Carthage is always causing problems to go to.
[02:17:21] Speaker D: To go basically go to their little prison.
The governor of Illinois came in, was like, hey, you got to come here, because you can't do this. This is like breaking the law. And essentially, the militia that was protecting him just kind of looked the other way, and people came in and shot him through a window behind him. He fell out of a window. They kept shooting him, and he just got destroyed, him and his brother.
[02:17:42] Speaker A: In all my years of Mormonry, I never knew Joseph Smith was murdered. That feels like a pretty important part of the story.
[02:17:48] Speaker C: Are you still a Mormon after you find that out?
[02:17:50] Speaker A: Of course.
[02:17:51] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:17:51] Speaker A: Why not?
[02:17:51] Speaker C: Absolutely.
Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, that was. That's pretty heavy stuff.
[02:17:56] Speaker D: Yeah, it was. I mean, it's messed up.
[02:17:58] Speaker C: I also learned today that that's what Bone reads for fun, but.
Which is interesting, but it's probably why he's a lot smarter than us.
[02:18:04] Speaker D: But not true.
[02:18:06] Speaker C: Yeah, no, very true. Anyways, my. My gassed up is not. Not so heavy.
You guys want to know what I'm gassed up about?
[02:18:15] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:18:15] Speaker C: Here's what I'm gassed up about. Why are there so many different pastas? And why do they all seem to taste different?
You guys ever notice that you eat a different pasta for a different. Different. Like, it's a different shape.
[02:18:26] Speaker D: It's the way it holds the sauce.
[02:18:28] Speaker C: Is that. Is that it? Maybe they're all made out of the same thing, but they seem to taste different.
[02:18:33] Speaker A: It's true. Italian food is kind of like Mexican food. It's like the same three ingredients. It's just like. It's possible.
[02:18:38] Speaker C: Let's dive deeper into that.
[02:18:40] Speaker A: I want to.
[02:18:40] Speaker C: I want to stop there. That's both Italian and Mexican. Like, every good food that ever was invented. It's. It's like red sauce, a carb, and a meat. Like, that's what it is.
[02:18:51] Speaker A: I feel like, specifically, though, for Mexican and Italian, like, it's the same three ingredients just rearranged over and over and over again.
[02:18:57] Speaker D: Sound.
[02:18:58] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, that's like Indian food, too. It's like the same thing.
[02:19:01] Speaker D: You know, someone likes meat shell cheese.
[02:19:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, that's what it is.
[02:19:04] Speaker A: But, like, American food is much more diverse. A hot dog is not a hamburger, and a steak is neither.
[02:19:10] Speaker D: Yeah.
[02:19:10] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:19:10] Speaker A: But I would argue Mac and cheese is another. And. And. And apple pie is neither.
[02:19:14] Speaker D: French fries you got for those French fries?
[02:19:17] Speaker C: You know, for those first few you mentioned you got a carb, a meat, and a red sauce. Ketchup.
It all comes back. It all. It's all the same thing.
[02:19:26] Speaker A: I disagree, people. The most diverse pallets.
[02:19:29] Speaker C: Okay.
I'm just gassed up about the amount of pastas and why they all taste different. Why do they taste different? Why do they taste different?
[02:19:36] Speaker D: What's your go to. At the. At the. At your family's house?
[02:19:39] Speaker C: Oh, I like a lot of pastas because my.
[02:19:41] Speaker A: They all taste different.
[02:19:43] Speaker C: Yeah. My wife's family is Italian too, so we. There's a lot of Italian dishes at, like, family meals and stuff.
[02:19:48] Speaker A: She was Irish.
[02:19:49] Speaker C: She's. No, she's mostly Italian, and she's just a little bit Irish. I know it throws you off because of her last. She has a very Irish last name, but it's very Irish.
[02:19:57] Speaker A: It's very. Not Italian.
[02:19:58] Speaker C: It's very. As far as the percentages of her family, she's a very large portion Italian, a very small portion.
[02:20:05] Speaker A: And I feel like Irish doesn't have very many Italian.
[02:20:08] Speaker C: She used. She used to have olive very Olive skin. When we were growing up. If you remember, we all went to the same high school. So I can. You guys know she, she was on a fair side. No, look at her. Look at her pictures from high school. She was super tan.
[02:20:19] Speaker A: I grew up super tan with her. She was always.
[02:20:22] Speaker C: That's not true. She was. Go back and look at. She was. She was super tan when we were growing up.
[02:20:26] Speaker A: I mean in the summers you all get tan.
[02:20:29] Speaker C: She was very tan, I'm just telling you. And now she can. She can't go in the sun like that anymore. So. So she doesn't.
[02:20:36] Speaker A: Either way.
[02:20:37] Speaker C: Either way she feels more Irish to me than she's not. She's more Italian. So we eat a lot of Italian food at family get togethers and things like that.
My go to pasta that I love is actually penne.
[02:20:50] Speaker D: I like penne.
[02:20:51] Speaker A: It just holds the sauce.
[02:20:52] Speaker C: It's really versatile. It goes well with a lot of different sauces or salsas. I guess you could go.
[02:20:58] Speaker A: Do you consider like lasagna or like a complex like is that is like, is that different than like penne or an angel hair? Like. Or do you.
[02:21:05] Speaker C: I would lump it in with all. Because they just make this. I mean it is a specific dish but you could put a lot of different things in a lasagna too. So it's like, it's. They all kind of go together. Like it's.
[02:21:15] Speaker A: I really like a cannelloni.
[02:21:18] Speaker C: Yeah, rigatoni is a good one.
[02:21:21] Speaker A: I like a cannelloni but I like it with the red sauce and the white sauce.
[02:21:24] Speaker C: See, fettuccine doesn't do much for me because out of like the, the longer noodles, like I, I'm a spaghetti guy, so I like spaghetti.
[02:21:31] Speaker A: Well, it's like Alfredo is like not like, like a truly purely Italian thing. Like that was more like a more modern Italian thing.
[02:21:38] Speaker C: Well, here's, here's a fun, like red, like red sauce. I like like Alfredo noodles. You know, like the, like the actual pasta.
[02:21:45] Speaker A: Don't tell me you put them in red sauce.
[02:21:46] Speaker C: Oh, I don't put them in red sauce. I just don't eat. I just don't eat.
[02:21:49] Speaker A: I was going to punch you square in the face.
[02:21:50] Speaker D: Alfredo noodles is like fettuccine, right?
[02:21:53] Speaker C: I don't eat fetuccini Alfredo though. Cuz I don't. I don't like. I'm not a big fan of like I'll eat it if that's what's for dinner. But like I, I'm not a big fan of don't tell me you have any.
[02:22:02] Speaker A: Our first dish ever at Magiano was. Was chicken parm with Fred of fetuccini Alfredo.
[02:22:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:22:07] Speaker A: Like I said, we get there every time we went.
[02:22:10] Speaker C: Yeah, I will eat it. I'm saying I don't typically like, like, like the white, creamy sauces. I like red sauce a lot better. So I usually just won't get Alfredo. I'll just get something else. I'll get. I'll get like chicken parmesan with like, spaghetti is like, I could be wrong.
[02:22:24] Speaker A: But I don't think Alfredo is like, like authentic. Like, I think Alfredo is more like an American Italian.
[02:22:29] Speaker C: I didn't say I was super Italian, so I don't know my wife's family.
[02:22:33] Speaker A: I just. I feel like Italian is like red sauce, like, sauce meat.
[02:22:36] Speaker C: Do you guys. Does anybody have an answer for me yet? Why? I mean, I mean, they hold the sauce differently, I guess, but, like, sauce differently.
[02:22:42] Speaker A: They hold.
[02:22:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I guess so.
[02:22:44] Speaker A: Some have cheese in it.
[02:22:45] Speaker C: There's just so many different pots. Pastas.
[02:22:47] Speaker A: And.
[02:22:47] Speaker C: And it's like you have to choose.
[02:22:48] Speaker A: The right meat in it and then.
[02:22:50] Speaker C: And then sometimes you choose the wrong pasta for the. For the dish. And you're like, I really should have used this one because it would hold the sauce.
[02:22:57] Speaker A: That happens.
[02:22:59] Speaker C: So to your point, I guess that's exactly what it is. It holds the sauce back.
[02:23:01] Speaker A: That happens at the never ending pasta bowl sometimes. Yeah, you get like the bow tie and you get like a cream of mushroom sauce and you're like, ah, this.
[02:23:08] Speaker C: Just doesn't work with that, though. I mean, I could spend all night on pastas. Instead I'm gonna move on from gassed up. Cause I feel like we spent at least 10 minutes of long gassed up, so.
[02:23:18] Speaker A: But yeah, we started with Magiano and ended on pasta.
[02:23:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Perfect. So let me remind everybody to call the bur sports cast hot take hotline.
[02:23:26] Speaker A: Hot take hot.
[02:23:27] Speaker C: Don't forget to call. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. Are there inconsiderate people in your restaurants? Let us know 20 stops a day. Are you reading the history of the Mormon church and how Joseph Smith got.
[02:23:42] Speaker A: Got murdered?
[02:23:43] Speaker C: We want to know, are you mad that there's so many different pastas and it's really hard to choose which one you should use? We want to know, do you have anything to say about the browns?
[02:23:51] Speaker A: We could.
[02:23:51] Speaker C: We could learn about. That's your favorite pasta.
[02:23:53] Speaker D: What's your favorite pasta.
[02:23:55] Speaker C: What was your actual favorite?
[02:23:56] Speaker A: A cannelloni.
[02:23:57] Speaker C: Cannellon. That's a good one. I like.
[02:23:58] Speaker D: I think penne is probably my favorite. But little penne, I like the big ones.
[02:24:04] Speaker C: I like the big ones.
[02:24:04] Speaker A: So like. Like a rigatoni or like I rigat.
[02:24:07] Speaker C: Rigatoni is probably my second favorite. Like, no, like just the larger penne pastas. They just. Penne is. They just holds like all the sauces so well. Like they're. They're kind of somewhere in the middle where like they hold this good, they hold this good. But it's not like they're specialized for one or the other. They're so versatile.
[02:24:21] Speaker A: Penne also is the easiest to cook to.
[02:24:24] Speaker C: Like a good al dente.
[02:24:26] Speaker A: Like I think so. Just the, the thickness of the noodle, like rigatoni to me sometimes gets like.
[02:24:31] Speaker C: Now you're getting me back into it because we just made chicken noodle soup. We just made chicken noodle soup this past week and we got.
We have chicken noodle soup and we did egg noodles. With us, you either go egg noodles or clues. You like one of the two. We went egg noodles this time. We go back and forth between them.
[02:24:47] Speaker A: I like clueskis, but mother always makes the egg noodles.
[02:24:49] Speaker C: I like Klooski's better. But we were. We just went with egg noodles this time.
[02:24:52] Speaker A: Clues just whatever it is. They feel so slimy, but they're delicious.
[02:24:55] Speaker C: But egg noodles cook very fast and because they're thin and you overcook them even a little bit and they get real starchy. It happened to us this time and I'm embarrassed to say that because. Because my wife is Italian, but I was the one in charge of it, so I. That's why it was messed up. I messed it up. So I cooked it a little bit.
[02:25:11] Speaker A: Doesn't surprise me that Ronnie Jam screwed up the noodles.
[02:25:14] Speaker C: Yeah, fair.
I. I messed it up and they cooked a little too long. They got real starchy. And then you're just like, ah, this is so disappointing because it was going to be so good and remake more. I. That's what I should have done. But we mixed them with the soup. So it's now. It's now. It's the whole thing is you don't.
[02:25:28] Speaker A: Mix it with the soup. You put the noodles in the separate and you put the.
[02:25:31] Speaker C: If the noodles are cooked right though, you put it with the soup and then the noodles like, actually soak up all of the flavor.
[02:25:37] Speaker A: Anything about this amateur?
[02:25:39] Speaker C: I don't know. But anyways, hot. Take hotline. 330 Did I make soup wrong? Let me know. 330-227-8080.
[02:25:48] Speaker D: Oh, that's me. 330 oh, he's gone. 3302-2780-8033-0227 8080.
[02:25:55] Speaker C: Call now. Operator are not standing by, but we'll put you on the air. And be sure to check out our gear. Www.etabmedia.com backslash shop that'll do it for us. Kenny. What can we expect next week?
[02:26:04] Speaker A: Nothing.
[02:26:05] Speaker C: Nothing.
[02:26:05] Speaker A: That's it. This is the regular season finale. We are not coming back. I'm kidding.
[02:26:10] Speaker C: Ever.
[02:26:10] Speaker A: We'll come.
[02:26:11] Speaker C: We're coming back. Eventually.
[02:26:12] Speaker A: We're gonna cover.
[02:26:13] Speaker C: You can't get rid of us that.
[02:26:14] Speaker A: Cover all the Browns news. So when something, if something big happens that warrants us having a show, we'll have a show. We may, we may bring broad a lot.
We need like an emergency press conference or something.
[02:26:25] Speaker C: You know, we'll probably do something with the draft with free agency.
[02:26:28] Speaker A: We may be. We'll be at some different charity events and golf outings and things throughout the off season, checking in with our Browns backers friends and we'll do shows there. So one way or another, you can continue to get Brown's news. You can use right here at the Burning River Sportscast. We just won't be here every week like you're used to until training camp starts in the summertime. But we'll be around. We'll be doing giveaways and things too, so it'll be fun. And yeah, so for now, for us it'll be offseason mode otherwise, like I said, we'll be back in the summertime. But just be sure to follow all of our socials for updates on other shows, giveaways, charity events, different things that we're up to all offseason long.
[02:27:07] Speaker C: And speaking of socials, tapping media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. At the tapping media, I'm burning Sportscast. That's this podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, tik tok and YouTube at Burning River Sportscast on X at Burning River Pod. You can find our podcast wherever you get your podcast. I'm talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora, iHeartRadio Podcast, Castro Good Pods where we are number one ranked football podcast and so many more. Do you know what that takes us to, Kenny?
[02:27:29] Speaker A: Facts.
Facts for days.
[02:27:44] Speaker C: Thanks for days. What do you got for us?
[02:27:46] Speaker A: Number one, we are all stars superstars. Recent research found that humans and the galaxy share 97 of the same kind of atoms.
[02:28:00] Speaker C: Everything comes from the big bang. That's why everyone knows that everything comes from nothing.
[02:28:05] Speaker A: We are literally made of stardust.
[02:28:07] Speaker D: Not nice.
[02:28:08] Speaker A: You're welcome, Ziggy.
[02:28:09] Speaker C: Stardust.
[02:28:10] Speaker A: Number two, Human spaghetti.
[02:28:15] Speaker C: Wait, we were just talking about spaghetti.
[02:28:17] Speaker A: It all comes full circle. Carthage.
That's what you'd become if you fell into a black hole. A stellar size black hole's gravity field is extreme and can vary enormously over small distances. If you fell in, your feet would immediately get pulled away, More so than your head and would stretch a lot. This super stretching effect is literally called spaghettification.
[02:28:41] Speaker C: Oh, no. It'd be spaghettified spaghetti. Spaghetti.
[02:28:46] Speaker A: You would literally be human spaghetti.
[02:28:48] Speaker C: Spooked you.
[02:28:49] Speaker A: Spooked you. Number three, the human.
[02:28:53] Speaker C: Hold on.
[02:28:53] Speaker A: Hold on.
[02:28:54] Speaker C: Bone, you're. I didn't see a reaction for the spaghetti. I thought that was.
[02:28:58] Speaker D: I thought you'd be amazed about the spaghetti.
[02:29:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Being spaghettified.
[02:29:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:29:03] Speaker D: It doesn't sound good.
[02:29:04] Speaker C: All right, all right. I just. There was a lack of response from bone, and I didn't like it.
That's all.
[02:29:11] Speaker A: Sorry, number three. I'm tired. Number three, the human brain.
BO might be excited about this one.
[02:29:18] Speaker D: I'm listening.
[02:29:19] Speaker A: Runs on about 20 watts of power. Is that a lot?
[02:29:24] Speaker C: Prepare to meet Dr. Watts.
[02:29:28] Speaker D: All right.
[02:29:28] Speaker A: It's enough to power a light bulb.
[02:29:30] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah.
[02:29:31] Speaker A: All that power calls for some.
[02:29:32] Speaker C: If you're using LEDs, it's enough to power, like, four light bulbs.
[02:29:35] Speaker A: There you go. All that power calls for some much needed rest. Adequate sleep helps maintain the pathways in your brain. Additionally, research shows that sleep deprivation is linked to things like Alzheimer's disease.
[02:29:47] Speaker C: I'm getting that show.
[02:29:48] Speaker A: Consider this. A piece of brain tissue the size of a grain of sand contains 100,000 neurons and 1 billion synapses. So that's wild. Damage to these neurons can have great impact. For example, during a stroke, where blood cannot get oxygen to the brain, Brain cells then die. And the abilities in that particular area of the brain are just totally lost. Similar to what happens to someone with Parkinson's disease.
[02:30:19] Speaker C: Damn. So this explains why bone is a lot smarter than us is. He gets a lot of sleep. He goes to sleep notoriously early, and he just makes sure he gets his full eight hours every night.
[02:30:30] Speaker D: I don't get eight hours.
[02:30:32] Speaker A: I wish I did.
[02:30:33] Speaker C: Between my number of concussions and lack of sleep, I'm probably gonna be completely Alzheimer's.
[02:30:39] Speaker A: No neurons left.
[02:30:40] Speaker D: You're getting Alzheimer's?
[02:30:41] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting it all.
[02:30:43] Speaker A: Human consciousness is just Electrical signals.
[02:30:46] Speaker C: I'm pretty sure I already have dementia.
[02:30:48] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. That's crazy.
[02:30:49] Speaker A: That's why.
[02:30:50] Speaker C: That is crazy.
[02:30:50] Speaker A: That's why the Internet knew I was thinking about a throw, right?
[02:30:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[02:30:54] Speaker A: Just electricity. Talking to each other.
[02:30:55] Speaker C: You shot the right electricity at your phone.
[02:30:58] Speaker D: You know how they can charge, like your cell phone battery? Wirelessly. Maybe they can just read our thoughts wirelessly.
[02:31:02] Speaker C: Now, see, they figured it out.
[02:31:04] Speaker D: Yeah, they got scanners. They just walk by me. They're like, that guy's thinking about Joseph Smith and his polygamous wives.
Like, we gotta correct that.
[02:31:12] Speaker C: Let's fix it.
[02:31:13] Speaker A: Let's let them know he was murdered. Man, that my friends. Facts for days.
[02:31:18] Speaker C: Oh, man. What do you think about it, Bone?
[02:31:24] Speaker D: What's my line again?
[02:31:26] Speaker C: Bone. Ape. Tit.
[02:31:29] Speaker D: No, I'm. I'm going to sleep.
[02:31:30] Speaker A: So.
[02:31:31] Speaker D: And I'm hungry, so. Bon appetit.
[02:31:33] Speaker A: I am hungry.
Don't just be a part of the problem, B. The. The whole damn problem.
[02:31:41] Speaker C: And only you can prevent river fires.
Burning river sports cash.
[02:31:48] Speaker B: Burning river.
[02:31:49] Speaker C: Burning. Burning river.
[02:31:51] Speaker A: Thanks for joining us this year. This was a fun year. Yeah, except for the Browns were terrible.
[02:31:57] Speaker D: So bad.
[02:31:57] Speaker C: So long. Farewell I'll see To say goodbye Goodbye.
[02:32:03] Speaker A: Goodbye To you and you and you.
[02:32:07] Speaker C: Goodbye, goodbye Goodbye I don't know where I'm going there. Good night, Cleveland.
[02:32:21] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:32:22] Speaker D: Good night, Akron.
[02:32:23] Speaker C: Quiet on set.
[02:32:24] Speaker A: I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo world named Phyllis.
[02:32:33] Speaker C: I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt ass.
[02:32:37] Speaker A: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:32:41] Speaker C: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:32:43] Speaker A: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:32:46] Speaker C: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the Burning river sports cat.
[02:32:56] Speaker A: Motorbike boat.
[02:32:57] Speaker C: You play the motorboat.
[02:33:00] Speaker A: You motorboat. Son of a.
[02:33:01] Speaker C: You old seal.
[02:33:02] Speaker A: Are you. You know what I was thinking during that interview?
[02:33:04] Speaker C: What? What were you think? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[02:33:09] Speaker A: Wow.
[02:33:10] Speaker D: My name is Utred, son of Utrid, by the way.
[02:33:12] Speaker C: I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:33:16] Speaker A: Women's Guide to. To Anal Sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[02:33:22] Speaker D: The weather outside is weather.
[02:33:24] Speaker C: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh, my God. My ass is full of everywhere.
[02:33:33] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:33:33] Speaker A: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:33:35] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:33:36] Speaker C: Oh, no. We suck again.
[02:33:39] Speaker D: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:33:42] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[02:33:43] Speaker C: And Jesus.
[02:33:44] Speaker D: That's right.
[02:33:44] Speaker C: Touchdown, number one.
[02:33:46] Speaker A: What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
[02:33:48] Speaker C: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:33:50] Speaker A: Timber.
[02:33:53] Speaker C: Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like the meat pod slow roasted.
[02:34:02] Speaker A: The leads are weak. Leads are weak. Leads are weak.
That we should send a team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water trap 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:34:17] Speaker C: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground. Wow. But damn.
[02:34:28] Speaker A: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
You know why, mister? Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:34:37] Speaker C: I drove an $80,000 dollar BMW.
[02:34:40] Speaker A: That's my name.
[02:34:42] Speaker C: I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:34:49] Speaker D: It's Mother Nature.
[02:34:50] Speaker C: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:34:53] Speaker A: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:34:54] Speaker C: I desperately want to make love this cheese girl.
[02:34:56] Speaker A: We need cheese girl now.
Who's canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[02:35:05] Speaker C: Probably of you.
[02:35:05] Speaker A: You making a photo of fat people?
[02:35:08] Speaker C: I'm not just you.
[02:35:10] Speaker A: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:35:13] Speaker C: No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:35:19] Speaker D: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:35:24] Speaker A: You like to see almost naked.
[02:35:25] Speaker C: That's cool, man.
[02:35:26] Speaker A: Whatever.
[02:35:27] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no. Most people like they're driving along and they're like in between me are like, I'm a little hungry. I'm going to have a granola bar. And he's like, I need a cheeseburger.
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