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[00:01:03] Speaker A: Foreign River Sportscast with this miserable season almost behind us, welcome to Discussion season, namely the discussion around Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefanski. Let me save you some time because I can wrap this whole thing up in the next 40 seconds. First off, as much as we'd like to fire Jimmy, we can't. And at the very least he seems committed to not trying to fight his way out of Cleveland, even if he is overbearing at times. Andrew Barry is a simpler scenario. His main responsibilities are evaluating and bringing in talent and managing the cap. 37 draft picks, four starters, one Pro bowl traded away, a franchise quarterback and three first round picks for a quarterback with dozens of sexual assault allegations. They refused to play here until Andrew Barry guaranteed his full contract, which clearly, no other GM in their right mind was willing to do. Why? Because it destroys your cat flexibility, which he accomplished in one fell swoop with the disgraceful addition of Massage Watson. Sorry, desean Watson. What about two time coach of the year Kevin Stefanski? Well, if we're going to call him two time coach of the year, let's be honest with everyone and also call him two time last place head coach Kevin Stefanski. Under this head coach, the Browns have never won a division crown. His play calling has always been questionable at the very least. And what about quarterback whisperer Kevin Stefanski? Just take it a look at the wunderkins that were PJ Walker, DTR Jameis Winston, Jeff Driscoll, and most importantly, the guy Kevin personally designed an offense for. The mustard man himself, Dijon Watson. I mean, who can deny his success in a Browns uniform? You left out Joe Flacco. Oh, you mean Super Bowl MVP and 16 year veteran Joe Flacco? Yeah, I'm sure Kevin taught him everything he knows. What if Jimmy is the reason we got desean and it wasn't Andrew and Kevin who insisted on trading Baker and ruining this team? To that I say they're both spineless cowards who refuse to stand up for what is right. And they're nothing more than willful accomplices more worried about staying employed than Trying to win football games. This entire team has regressed under this front office and coaching staff, and there is not a single measure by which either of these two deserve another chance. I mean, unless you want to go 3 and 14 again. In the words of the immortal Elaine Bennis, no suit for you. Next.
We'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:03:27] Speaker B: I will say this. For the Browns, the salary cap is. Salary crap.
[00:03:30] Speaker A: Salary crap.
[00:03:32] Speaker C: He can bury himself alive and then dig himself out.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: Right? Right. Good job, buddy.
[00:03:38] Speaker C: And immediately it gets attacked by, like, five fruit flies.
And this has been an ongoing issue. This has been an ongoing issue in this lunchroom.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: How many times can you say taint? Weird.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Fleshy.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. What do you thoughts bum?
Do we all start as a butthole?
You want me to wax them off?
[00:04:04] Speaker C: That's just impressive. Actually.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: Fruit flies are pretty little.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: It's hard to whack off a fruit fly.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: I didn't say that. I said wax off. I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: But anyways, I'm a professional doordasher, not. I deliver.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: I was gonna say you don't go.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: Anywhere, but, like, since doordash has been invented, I'm probably like their top customer.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: That's no exaggeration. This man. This is every meal, every day on doordash.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: No exaggeration at all. It's like Ronnie. It's never hard.
[00:04:37] Speaker C: Softy.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: Welcome into the Burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at TAP Media, I' Kenny Thunder, joined today by a man who's a better peanut farmer than Jimmy Carter by default. I guess because he's alive. He's red hot. Ronnie Jams.
[00:04:56] Speaker B: I'm also better than Betty White.
[00:04:58] Speaker A: Is that too soon? My bad.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: Oh, sorry.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: RIP to the former president. I guess I better amend.
[00:05:03] Speaker B: Hold that thought.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: I better amend. Bones introduction. On the board today, he's already a skeleton. Unlike some people. The big bone, man. Bone. Which country's capital is known for having the fastest growing population?
[00:05:18] Speaker C: Ubekistan?
[00:05:19] Speaker A: Nope. Ireland. Every day it's Dublin.
[00:05:22] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:05:25] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: If you can't handle a little slapstick, you're in the wrong place.
[00:05:28] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:05:29] Speaker A: Back to red hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest dope they ever heard? On a podcast. The number one ranked football podcast. Not all good pods. As well as the unofficial podcast of Cleveland Browns backers everywhere.
[00:05:38] Speaker B: Well, first of all, you said it's discussion season, but I think it's disgusting season. Because I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted as well. But you can find our podcast wherever you get your podcast. Talking to Apple Podcast, Spotify, Stitcher, Amazon Music, Pandora, Pandora I heart music. I don't know what I'm saying. I heart radio Podcast, Castro Good pods and so many more good pods where we are number one number one football podcast.
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It doesn't matter. Let's just get things started with the burning of our news story of the week.
Too bad.
[00:06:51] Speaker A: We had a friend that went to Annapolis once.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: Made it like a week and a half. Yeah, he was a pride of the town. A week and a half.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: He did. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that.
Good job, buddy.
[00:07:04] Speaker A: He's a veteran now. Careful.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: Hot mic burning of our news story of the week this week, guys. You alluded to it already. Jimmy Carter, the 39th president of the United States, died this week at the age of 100.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: That's old.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: He was. He's the oldest living president ever. Well, not living anymore. But he lived the longest out of any president ever.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: He's no longer living.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, Reagan was pretty old.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Reagan made it to the 90s.
[00:07:32] Speaker B: He didn't make to 105. Maybe he didn't make it to 100.
[00:07:35] Speaker A: No, not 100.
[00:07:36] Speaker B: But Jimmy Carter was the first president to host a championship team at the White House. Did you know that?
[00:07:41] Speaker A: That's an interesting tie in to a sportscast.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it was 70 something. I think it was the Steelers 676ers. No, I think it was the Steelers and the. There's another team that he like.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: That's a good fact.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Co hosted both. I think it's the Pirate. I think it's both Pittsburgh teams.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: Well done.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: Anyways, that wasn't part of the story. I was just ad living there. But anyways, Greg, Greg Gumbel also Died at the age of 78. Who's next?
[00:08:07] Speaker A: Because they come in threes.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that was my next note. So I don't know. Should we speculate who's next on Death Door? Who's gonna die?
[00:08:18] Speaker A: Who's coming?
[00:08:19] Speaker B: I don't think you could say die on social media anymore.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: Who's pretty old?
[00:08:26] Speaker B: Harrison Ford's old.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Donald Trump's old.
[00:08:28] Speaker B: Donald Trump's old. I don't think it's gonna be Donald Trump. Joe Biden.
He's probably gonna be Joe Biden.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: He might not make it to Inauguration Day.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: Not because anybody's gonna kill him or anything.
[00:08:39] Speaker B: He's just really old.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: Old. And he's already dying.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And he. Yeah, he.
[00:08:43] Speaker A: For, like, the last four years.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: He really will be sleepy, Joe.
[00:08:46] Speaker A: Very sleepy.
[00:08:48] Speaker B: I don't know what we're saying right now.
One more thing before we get to the Browns. Let me remind everybody to call the Breaker Sportscast.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Now.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: We get to call your hot takes on the hot take hotline, like the ones we got this week.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: Oh, God, yeah, I forgot. We got hot takes.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: We got some hot takes.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: Kenny, play these hot takes.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: Let's hear them. Hot takes, hot ticks. We want hot takes.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: We want.
Here we go, brownies. Here we go. Saracet Brownsbackers reporting in. What a stinking game. There's always next year, my friends. Always next year.
I want 50 bucks.
Somebody want 50 bucks at their drawing.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: That's a good hot take outline. It's just like, I'm excited to be a Browns fan for absolutely no reason whatsoever, but there's always next year.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: That was our buddy Mike from the Brownsbackers of Sarasota.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: I love Mike. Yeah, he's just the. The. The. What's the word I'm looking for? The. He's so optimistic, like, for no reason. He's.
[00:09:50] Speaker A: He's a Browns fan.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: He's a Brown Span. That's what we call him.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: So we call him.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: Are you ready for number two?
[00:09:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: All right.
Okay. This is Timmy, Angry Bobby's other son.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: Who he probably has never mentioned, but I hate dtr.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: GTR sucks. He is the worst quarterback in the NFL.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: Like, he is so fucking bad. And I'm, like, just putting daffy for his shits and giggles.
[00:10:19] Speaker A: Like.
[00:10:20] Speaker B: Like, what the fuck?
[00:10:21] Speaker A: I just.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: I don't fucking get it.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: It's fucking awful. We have our party next week. Let's go, Browns. We have the fucking third pick in the draft right now.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: The third pick.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: And I don't fucking want shorter Sanders at All probably gonna get him.
And that's all. We're not drafting that.
[00:10:43] Speaker B: If we draft him, it'll be, I.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: Won'T be a fan, but I.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Because I fucking hate Stors and his dad.
[00:10:50] Speaker A: But.
[00:10:53] Speaker B: Good night.
[00:10:54] Speaker A: We love Burning River Sportscast.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: Hell, yes. Well, there's one thing we can all agree on is that we all love Burning River Sportscast.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: Oh, I thought it was gonna be.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: Oh, sure. That we all hate Shador Sanders.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: No, I thought it was gonna be that we could all agree that there was a lot of drinks served in.
[00:11:07] Speaker C: New Jersey over under 20F bombs.
[00:11:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was good. I like. They came in hot on the hot take hotline.
[00:11:15] Speaker A: That's what we like.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: I just like how, first of all, Brownsbacher, the Brownsbackers of North Jersey, good friends of ours, Angry Bobby, I like that his son Timmy calls in and says, who knew there was a Timmy?
[00:11:31] Speaker C: The other son.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: I'm the son they don't talk about.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: He's the black sheep of the family.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: And then on top of it, so Timmy calls in and he finally gets. You know, he finally gets some screen time. He gets to. He gets to tell us his hot take. An Angry Bobby comes in is just like, no, this is my hot take.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: But, yeah, those were splendid, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you for those.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: And I would agree with you, Shador Sanders. I hope we don't get him. Kenny's a fan.
[00:11:58] Speaker C: But look, I'm just saying, can he read a defense?
[00:12:02] Speaker A: I just want.
Look, look, I'm going to go back to the.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: BYU would say he can't.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: Look, I'm saying this, like, for my entire life until we got Baker Mayfield, all I said was, can we get just an average, competent quarterback and this team will do well? And then you had Baker and this team did well, and then he jettisoned them out and went back to getting the worst quarterbacks. So if Shadur Sanders, who was the best quarterback in college football, can come in and you design an offensive.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: That's not arguable.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: It's not arguable. Statistically, he was the best quarterback in college football.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: 100% not true.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: All right, He.
[00:12:36] Speaker B: He.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: If you bring him in and design offense around him and the head coach likes him and gets along with him, then I think you can build a winning football team here.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: I hope they don't get Shador Sanders. Although I will take him over Cam Ward at this point, because Cam Ward doesn't like to play for his team.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: So I like Cam Ward, too. I'm all in on Cam Ward, did you see him throw that football flat footed?
[00:13:00] Speaker B: That's fine.
[00:13:00] Speaker A: He just.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: He also quit on his team at halftime.
[00:13:02] Speaker A: He backed up and he was. He was. He has feet moving. He just. He was like, why am I doing this? I'm just going to stop and just throw this ball. This guy, he just was absolutely just flat footed.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: And then he went on his team at halftime.
[00:13:14] Speaker A: Look, I.
[00:13:16] Speaker C: Is he better than Jamarcus Russell?
[00:13:17] Speaker A: He's going to make 100 million.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Oh, he's better than Jamarcus Russell. He's got to be. All right, Yeah. I mean, Shador Sanders, though, I think is all hype behind the Sanders name. I don't think Shador Sanders going to be anything in the NFL.
[00:13:29] Speaker A: He might not be, but look, I'm in favor of getting a quarterback here because we don't have one on the.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: Roster and still don't have an offensive line.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: They asked me, would I rather have Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers or Sam Darnold next year. I would rather have Shadir Sanders.
[00:13:45] Speaker B: Doesn't matter.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: Shadir at least has a future in the NFL. None of those guys do.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: The real answer here is it doesn't matter who they draft. If they draft a quarterback in the NFL because they're going to suck because we don't have an offensive line. So they're gonna suck.
[00:13:59] Speaker A: Look, they can draft offensive linemen in the second and third round. I'm fine with that.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: But an entire offensive line, you got. You got Bonio saying he's gonna retire. They're talking about getting rid of Conklin. Like, we need Jed Wills's ass. He's gonna be gone.
You got what's his name that took a huge step back this year. Big Thanos.
They don't have a line. They literally don't have a line.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Well, they're going to have to make something happen in the draft and free agency, they're going to have to bring in new guys.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: Okay.
I'm just saying. Doesn't matter. You can't. To me, you can't go running. That's a discussion for another day. But you can't go running back or quarterback because we don't have a line. So they're going to die anyways.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: I mean, that's. I'm not discounting the fact that you need an offensive line. I'm just saying it's easier to find offensive linemen all throughout the draft than it is to find the next franchise quarterback.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: I don't know how we got on this. Anyways. Hot take hotline. Was lit this week, so we appreciate that. Keep those hot takes coming. I know. After this, this last week and the Browns sucking ass again, hopefully. Hopefully we get quite a few more hot takes. Everybody expressing their displeasure because I hate the Browns right now. I love the Browns, but I hate the Browns. So.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: They're the worst.
[00:15:18] Speaker C: Awful.
[00:15:19] Speaker B: Yeah, they're really bad.
And with that, if you're looking for the weekly recap, you've come to the wrong place. Go back into whichever podcast platform you are watching or listening on and look for our live episode from Sunday night after the game.
And then let's. Let's get into the Burning River Sportscast. Dog of the week.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: Doesn't matter, man. You gotta play tough people in the National Football League. You gotta be ready. And we gotta be the dogs that we are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack and don't stop until we're in that locker room.
I'm only on Jackson dirt.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Why didn't you say that? I would have got on board with you. We would have agreed.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Because they were talking about Shadir Sanders.
I think you can. I think you can draft either one of those guys and make an offense around them.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: Jackson darts. Big dude.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: I mean, he throws darts.
[00:16:22] Speaker C: Darts.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: I mean, who do you like? I don't know. What quarterbacks you think are statistically that much better than Chadur Sanders. He's in, like, the top three of everything. If you want to go touchdown passes, it's Dylan Gabriel. You think he's going to be good?
[00:16:38] Speaker B: No, I don't think there's. I don't.
[00:16:40] Speaker A: Carson Beck has yards, and Shadir Sanders is next on the list in yards and touchdowns.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: So I don't think.
[00:16:47] Speaker A: Out of those three players, who would you rather have?
[00:16:49] Speaker B: I would have none of those.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: I literally wouldn't have picked one of those.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: I don't have to. You don't have to.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, out of the top three college quarterbacks, then, statistically, who would you pick out of those three?
[00:16:59] Speaker B: I just told you, I wouldn't pick any of them. You don't have to pick a quarterback. There's a lot of other positions on a football field, and we need a lot of them.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, you can make that conversation. You need 22 guys, basically.
[00:17:15] Speaker B: All right, so I don't know where this question's coming from.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: Well, I'm just saying, like, you could.
Who, like, who are you drafting that's changing things next year?
[00:17:25] Speaker B: Nobody. I didn't Say you could draft somebody. That's going to change anything.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: Well, then I guess we just might as well not draft anyone.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: No. You need to build your team out. You can't. It's not going to happen next year. So, anyways, this week on our live show, we nominated the following Browns players for Dog of the Week. This week's nominees. Kenny with Jordan Akins.
Bone, Who'd you pick?
[00:17:48] Speaker C: Miles.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: Miles Garrett. Yeah. And then I nominated Jerry Judy. And after the fan vote that was conducted on our socials, this week's Burning River Sportscast Dog of the Week is Miles Garrett.
Yep. Miles Garrett.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: That's pretty good.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Look at this picture that I got.
[00:18:07] Speaker A: He's swinging his. Ding Aang.
[00:18:08] Speaker C: He's dancing.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: He's just dick swinging on him.
[00:18:11] Speaker C: Yeah, he looks like he's doing. You ever see a Hustle and Flow where they' Whoop that trick. Get him. Whoop that trick.
[00:18:18] Speaker D: You did perfect.
[00:18:20] Speaker C: Exactly what he's doing.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: I like that.
Total tackles this week for all solo tackles, three tackles for loss, two sacks and two QB hits.
And this week, he became the only player in NFL history to record 14 sacks and four straight seasons. So another big milestone for Garrett. For Miles Garrett.
[00:18:45] Speaker A: Milestones for Miles.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Miles and Miles of stone.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Miles and Miles of Stones.
[00:18:53] Speaker B: But, yeah, I mean, I guess a big game is. Didn't mean anything.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: We're the worst. So, yeah, we play DTR as our.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: Starting quarterback, in case I needed to remind anybody. What, we score six in this one?
[00:19:04] Speaker A: Three.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: Three.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Would you rather have DTR or Shadur Sanders next year?
[00:19:08] Speaker C: Anybody else?
[00:19:09] Speaker B: Literally anybody else, I would take.
No.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: No. The question is, would you rather dto.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: Sanders. Sanders.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: I don't know what.
[00:19:17] Speaker A: That's all I was saying. And you acted like I was evil. I'm saying the guys on your roster right now are the worst. I would take Shadur Sanders over the guys on our roster.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Okay.
In other Browns news, DTR is the worst quarterback in NFL history.
His 1 to 10 touchdown interception ratio, that's a 0.1. Is the worst in the history of the NFL.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: And in case anyone wasn't 100% clear on the Browns tanking these last few games, DTR had this to say after the game. Remember? One touchdown to 10 interceptions.
And I quote, for the most part, I thought I executed as far as doing my job for most of the game. I did my job on the play that was asked and required of me on those plays. First of all, that sentence makes no fucking sense.
Second of all, if you're actually Doing what they're asking you to do, then they're asking you to tank.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: They're asking you to lose.
[00:20:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Right. Am I. Is that a fair assessment, guys?
[00:20:16] Speaker C: I think so.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: That seems fair to me.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: Like, I don't know how else to read that. If he comes out there and with a straight face, tells everybody, I believe I did my job in this one.
[00:20:25] Speaker C: They know he sucks, and they're putting him out there and he's sucking. So he's doing his job.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: Yeah. What do you have, like, three intentional groundings in this one, too?
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah, he was.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: Jesus.
[00:20:34] Speaker A: He was getting a lot of that.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: If Bailey Zappy doesn't play this week, then, I mean, they legitimately shouldn't show up because there's absolutely no way that you could score points.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Oh, I agree. They're the worst.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: But. Yeah. So enough with dtr. Speaking of Browns quarterbacks, who we all just absolutely love so much sarcasm there, in case you were wondering, The Browns restructured deshaun Watson's contract this week. Third contract restructure in as many seasons, and they added a void year. Spread the money out over two extra seasons. Dropped his cap number next year from 73 million to 37.14 million and 46.1 million in 2026. And then it takes his dead cap hit down to 35.8 million in 2026 and 53.6 million in 2027 when he is no longer on the team.
So a lot of logistics here and a lot of things like contract talk gets. Gets confusing and weird. But the bottom line is this. Here's the main things that we need to know about the restructure. It provides some cap relief for the Browns for the next few years. It keeps. This is the bad part. It keeps him on the roster through at least the 2026 season.
Because if you don't, I mean, it's just point, like, why would you do this?
[00:21:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the good news is. The good news is he'll probably be on the PUP list for most of next year, so you probably won't have to deal with him at all.
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Oh, and one more thing. The salary cap. I will say this. For the Browns, the salary cap is salary crap.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: Salary crap.
[00:22:05] Speaker B: The salary cap is projected to rise by 60 million by 2027.
So that'll, percentage wise. And the way the numbers shake out, that'll help the Browns a little bit.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: Minimizes the hit a little bit.
[00:22:15] Speaker B: But to your point, yeah, I mean, they could start them on the PUP list next year. And it sounds like they might go Texans route and just try and keep him away from the team as much as possible.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think this guy's been anything but toxic to this team, so I don't know why they would want him in the clubhouse, especially if he's not going to play. I mean, it's a lot of money to pay a guy to vacation for the next four years, but he's having.
[00:22:35] Speaker B: Some good vacations, I'll tell you that.
[00:22:37] Speaker C: Yeah, you. Why would you want him anywhere near like a new rookie quarterback?
[00:22:41] Speaker A: No, I don't know. Yeah, you don't want him anywhere near the field house. Yeah.
And you know what's funny is like.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: Let me show you how you can get some private massages.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: We always, we always do this with Andrew Barry and talk about, like, oh, he's a cap guru, but, like, Andrew Barry's the reason you're in this cat hell. Like, you don't get to in the pool and then get congratulated when you pull the out.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: That's a fair point that never gets brought up. Is. Is I will admit, because, like, I even praise, like, yeah, some of the stuff that you've done to like, figure out the cap has been amazing. But I agree with you. If you, if you it all up to begin with, you don't. You don't get to be the hero.
[00:23:18] Speaker C: He bury himself alive and then dig himself out.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: Right, Right. Good job, buddy. You wouldn't have been under there.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
That's like when the Avengers brought all the aliens to New York City and then saved it and said, there you go, guys. You're welcome.
[00:23:33] Speaker A: I don't know that reference, but I agree.
[00:23:37] Speaker B: How do you not know?
[00:23:38] Speaker A: I've never seen Avengers.
[00:23:40] Speaker C: What?
[00:23:41] Speaker A: I've never seen any of these movies.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: I thought you just told me the other day how.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Oh, I was thinking about it, but I looked up. But there's like 24 movies to watch.
[00:23:48] Speaker C: A lot of movies. Yeah.
[00:23:49] Speaker B: You didn't watch the original TV show? Dang, there's a lot of TV shows, not just one. Yeah. What are you talking about?
[00:23:54] Speaker A: Yeah. How am I supposed to. How am I supposed to even do that?
[00:23:58] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:23:59] Speaker A: It would take me like six years to catch up.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: I don't know. I like how we just glossed over the desean Watson talks. We just don't care. We just want them gone.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: I think, I think I saw like, Black Panther. Is that a part of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw one. Yeah.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: Good job, buddy.
[00:24:10] Speaker A: But I Still don't get the reference.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: All right, well, in some more Browns news, the contract for coaching consultant Mike Vrabel ended Monday. He is no longer with the organization and is expected to become a head coach somewhere else next week, which makes.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: A ton of sense because the season's over next week.
[00:24:27] Speaker C: So, yeah, they might as well get rid of him a week before.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: Yeah, why would we want him around?
[00:24:32] Speaker B: Don't even have the opportunity to say, oh, we went 3 and 14. Maybe we should replace our head coach with him.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: I just hope Kevin doesn't get Covid this week, because he would coach.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: Maybe he does, and the Browns win, and they're like, wait, we might be onto something here.
[00:24:44] Speaker A: We did that once with avp.
[00:24:45] Speaker B: See?
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah. One playoff game.
[00:24:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
I don't know. It's just sad that Mike Vrabel's no longer with the team, because I feel like he brought some life and energy to an otherwise just dreadful. Dreadful.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: He was the one guy I liked.
[00:25:01] Speaker B: And then finally, the city of Cleveland and Mayor Justin Bibb sent a letter to Jimmy Haslam stating that the city will lead a fight to find new owners for the Cleveland Browns and that they will invoke the Modell Law in an attempt to block the stadium and Brook Park. What do you think about this?
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Look, I got news for you. Like, one, like, I agree, Jimmy Haslam has not been a great owner. Right. We go through the whole Johnny Manziel thing, and who knows with Deshaun Watson, like, how much he was involved, whether that was his call or not, a lot of people assume that it was.
Is he overbearing and overstepped quite a bit. Has he picked bad personnel to lead this front office? At times, yes.
But the one thing I will say about Jimmy is that Jimmy seems committed to the city of Cleveland, and maybe not the city of Cleveland proper with his buddy Justin Bibb, but. But keeping the Browns as the Cleveland Browns. And I just caution people because, you know, these owners have a lot of money. They don't get told no. You know, if Elon Musk bought the Browns tomorrow and wanted to move them to Mars, he could. They can invoke the Modell Law all they want.
[00:26:03] Speaker B: Logistics of that would be insane.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: He wants to occupy Mars. Why not start with the Browns? Yeah.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: And we're starting our own football league.
[00:26:13] Speaker A: So you want to talk about the Modell Law here in an attempt to block them from Book Park.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Like, the Browns couldn't win on Earth, so they went to Mars.
[00:26:20] Speaker A: Get your lawyers ready, because if you get new ownership in there, you may be invoking the model law again to try and keep them within the city limits.
[00:26:28] Speaker B: Yeah, a couple things here. Yeah, it's a very good point is grass is not always greener. It's, it's. You know what happens when you get that shitty owner. That literally is like, I'm here for the next couple years, just so it shows, like, I wanted to own the Cleveland Browns, then I'm moving them somewhere that I could actually do something with this.
[00:26:45] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, it was, it was, it was a thought. Even when he bought the team, Right. He had spent time in Pittsburgh, he's from Tennessee. Like, people were worried about it. And at least now he's talking about investing in the city of Cleveland long term.
[00:26:56] Speaker B: Yeah, like, that would keep the Browns here for sure for.
[00:26:59] Speaker A: Yeah, 15 years.
Brand new, state of the art stadium, a whole village around it. Like, it's harder to move the Browns out of Cleveland than ever before because of that investment. Yeah, people are wild. And look, it's the same conversation we have about the Dolan's all the time with the Indians and the guardians, because people are like, oh, they're cheap, they're cheap. And like, fortunately, they've fielded good teams because of all the farm system and all this, and they have good front office personnel. But like, again, grass is always greener. You could just as easily sell the guardians tomorrow and they could end up in Nashville. Like, you don't know what these owners want to do with their money and their team that they privately own.
[00:27:34] Speaker B: Yeah. And the other, the other part of this too is just, just, just the simple fact that, like, the city of Cleveland pisses me off. Because if you really were this upset about it and like, why didn't you make a legitimate offer?
[00:27:47] Speaker A: That made sense.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: Yeah. You guys lowballed them the entire way to Brook park and now all of a sudden you want to, you want to come back and force them to stay here even with your low ball offers.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, come make, make a counter off.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: Like, who's the here?
[00:28:01] Speaker A: Make a counter offer. That's better.
[00:28:03] Speaker B: Are those, those threads? Like, am I the. Yeah, Justin Bibb.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: You're the. You're the.
[00:28:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
Come on. Like, seriously, is he just like trying.
[00:28:12] Speaker C: To make himself look tough, like for election or something?
[00:28:14] Speaker A: I think, I think so. I think that's. It's got to be posturing because why else would you like.
[00:28:20] Speaker B: Well, in the model law. We talked about this off air is the model law has, I'm almost positive, has already been found in other Cases to be unconstitutional.
[00:28:28] Speaker A: Well, I just. Like I said, I mean, money at the end absolves. All right? Like, if. If a billionaire comes in, buys the Browns tomorrow, and Elon Musk writes the city of Cleveland a two billion dollar check, they're not going to say dick about it. They're gonna be like, all right, thanks.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: That's cool. That funded development of the lakefront.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: Yeah. We appreciate your contribution to the Cleveland pd. Yeah, you know, money will fix a lot of things. So. Yeah, look, in the lawyers that these guys can afford, like, the model law is just a small obstacle in the way of a team moving if they really wanted to.
[00:28:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. The Browns will be in Brook park come. What is it, 2027 or 2029 or whatever it is.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: Whenever. They're going to be there sooner than that, I think. Right. It's 2020. 2026. Yeah.
[00:29:10] Speaker B: I thought it was 2029, but.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: Could be wrong, but, yeah. Look, this whole thing is good for the city of. For Cleveland, for Clevelanders. It's going to bring in all kinds of extra money and all kinds of extra tax revenue. It's just going to grow the base and.
[00:29:24] Speaker B: Well, I just. I just can't wait to hear, you know, after a full season in the new stadium, how many people change their tune. They're like, wow, this is actually really nice. And even further than that, when they do develop the lakefront, because now there's not an eyesore of a stadium taking up a bunch of space, and they actually could do something.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: Sure. Well, that's gonna.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: And then you're gonna be like, oh, this was the greatest thing that's ever happened to the city of Cleveland.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: That's gonna require capital. Let. Let Justin Bibb go to the city of Cleveland and ask for a tax increase to develop the lakefront and see how quickly that happens.
[00:29:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
Whoa. You know what that is for the Burning R?
It's a nice Burning river throwdown, guys. Burning River Hoedown Throwdown.
[00:30:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:22] Speaker B: We don't even know what the name for this is, but we. We like to dance because the Brown sucks.
Yeah. When the music comes out, you guys dance along because we just talked lot of depressing Brown stuff, and we had to pick it back up.
[00:30:40] Speaker A: When DTR is your quarterback, there's not a lot of things.
[00:30:43] Speaker B: You just got to dance. I just got to dance.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: And. And you. Look at you. We're in the taints of the season. Right? Like, you don't know what day it is. You just got to dance.
[00:30:52] Speaker B: You said this is like the taint of the year.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: Like the week between Christmas and New Year's.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: Like the taint of the year.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: What else would it be besides the gooch? You know, it's just that in between area. That's weird.
[00:31:02] Speaker B: How many times can you say taint? Weird.
[00:31:03] Speaker A: Fleshy.
[00:31:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. What do you thoughts bone?
[00:31:08] Speaker C: About the time of the year?
[00:31:09] Speaker B: About. Yeah. The taint of the year.
[00:31:11] Speaker C: I don't have any thoughts.
[00:31:12] Speaker D: Sorry.
[00:31:13] Speaker C: You caught me off guard there.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: We all start as a butthole.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: I looked that up. That's not true.
[00:31:18] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know if that's true.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Others. Some other species do, but we don't.
You had me going there for a while.
For weeks.
Next up here, the division roundup.
Google probably thought it was weird that I was typing up. Do we all start as a butthole?
All right, guys, the things I put in Google, I don't want to.
We had a full slate of games this week for the division. Last week we had only a couple games. Or is that the week before? I don't know. They all blend together now. Anyways, Baltimore traveled to Houston.
[00:31:56] Speaker A: We losing all that.
[00:31:57] Speaker B: And laid a beat down on the Houston Texans. 31 2, I think was the. The final of that score. What the hell. We were all right, though. We knew the Ravens were going to win, especially the division on the line. We knew everybody was going to show up and play. So everybody got a point there. The Steelers got embarrassed in front of their home crowd by the Chiefs. I was wrong. I thought they'd be able to do it at home, especially with the Chiefs kind of winning a lot of their games at the very end and having a lot of close calls. But you guys both saw this coming, so good job. You guys are both right.
[00:32:31] Speaker A: You're welcome.
[00:32:33] Speaker B: The Bengals kept their playoff hopes alive and beat the Broncos in overtime.
I was right there. Kenny was wrong and Bone was right, which was bullshit. But it happened. And then obviously the Browns lost to the Dolphins. We were all right with that one. In case anyone doesn't know before we even. I'll talk about in a second, but Bones been out of his mind these last few weeks.
For the AFC north, though, standings are as follows. Baltimore is on top at 11 and 5. Pittsburgh is at 10 and 6. Cincinnati's at 8 and 8. Made it all the way back to 500. And then Cleveland 3 and 13. They're almost at 500, but not quite.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: I think that's like 200.
[00:33:15] Speaker B: Yeah, but the current king in the north standings, as I was just saying, bone is 35 and 19 and hasn't lost a game in, like, four weeks.
[00:33:25] Speaker C: So, yes, I'm really enjoying myself.
[00:33:29] Speaker B: I'm not.
[00:33:29] Speaker A: Good job, Bone.
[00:33:30] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: I hate you.
[00:33:32] Speaker A: Who brought this guy on the show?
[00:33:33] Speaker B: Why would you let him be a part of this? We should have just made him abstain. Yeah.
And then I am in second place at 30 and 24, and Kenny is at 28 and 26.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:33:46] Speaker B: Feels bad.
We'll get back to King of the north in a little bit, but right now, let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, guys, I just got one thing in around the NFL today.
The MVP race is heating up. Who do you guys think is gonna win this thing? Is he obviously? The. The hot. The. The two that everybody's talking about is Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. So who's going to win?
Kenny, we'll go with you first.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: I'm just surprised you only have one thing for around the NFL this week. There was so much that happened.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: Yeah, just the Brown suck so bad. I just don't. I. You know.
[00:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm gonna go. Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson deserves to win the MVP again this year.
To give it to anybody else is criminal. I know there's a bunch of BS talk about Josh Allen, but, I mean, Lamar Jackson's throwing for nine more touchdowns this year.
[00:34:48] Speaker C: Whoa.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: That's not like two. It's nine.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: It's probably rushed for about the same amount, too.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: He's only rushed for three touchdowns, which is where the discrepancy in there lies, that Josh Allen has something stupid, like ten rushing touchdowns, so.
[00:35:05] Speaker B: Well, that closes the gap then. It's only a. A difference of two total.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: Okay, but, like, you pay Josh Allen to throw the ball, not to. Not to get quarterback sneaks. I mean, the other thing, if you want to think about differentiating, think about. If you want to think about differentiating. Like, Josh Allen has less yards passing and less yards rushing.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: He's the odds on favor right now.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Lamar Jackson has 750 rushing yards to Josh Allen's 480. And Lamar Jackson has 3600 passing yards to Josh Allen's 3400. 400. And nine more passing touchdowns.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: It's wild to me. Like, some of the things we witnessed growing up with like. Like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady going head to head, like both have, and Drew Brees, everybody having, like, 5,000 yards throwing. And, like, we're talking about MVPs that are going to have 3,600 yards, like, possibly under 4,000 yards.
[00:35:58] Speaker A: Also, Lamar Jackson's only thrown three picks on a season.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: That's wild. That's probably the craziest. How many, how many does Josh Allen have?
[00:36:04] Speaker A: 5 or 6, but still 3.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: 3. Yeah, that's pretty wild.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: Like, if you give that to anybody else, like, I, I, like, I wouldn't even put Josh Allen in second place there. Saquon Barkley is going to be.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: He's got 2,000 rushing yards.
[00:36:16] Speaker A: He's gonna maybe break Eric Dickerson's. Yeah, that's insane record. Jared Goff has it a tremendous year. He's gonna hit four.
[00:36:22] Speaker B: This just furthers my point. Like, what a time to be alive when we got quarterbacks that are both under 4, 000 yards coming into the last game of the season. Mind you, we have one more game than we used to have have.
And Saquon Barkley has over 2,000 rushing yards and he's not even like in talks of potentially winning the mvp.
[00:36:40] Speaker A: Well, I think he's like third or fourth in a lot of people's rankings.
[00:36:43] Speaker B: But I'm saying, like, in the grand scheme of things, he's got no chance it's going to be one of the quarterbacks.
[00:36:48] Speaker A: But. But yeah, like, I would put Jared Goff ahead. Like, Jared Goff's got 3, 800 passing yards, 30 touchdowns, and the Lions are maybe one of the best teams in the NFL.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you. I just had to ask the question because I just thought it was crazy that Josh Allen is right now the odds on favorite. And I'm like, I get that the Bills are good, but so are. So are the Ravens. And I hate Lamar Jackson. Like, I do not like him at all because he plays for the Ravens, but he's the. He's the MVP this year.
[00:37:20] Speaker A: And then Joe Burrow, I think Joe Burrows, he's gonna be over 4,000 passing yards. He's got 40 touchdowns.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: Like, and I'm actually gonna go out on a limb and say this. If. If the Bengals make the playoffs, if they somehow do the imp. The playoffs, give Joe Burrow the MVP right now because he's played out of his mind.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: What's more, he's carried his entire team. What's more asinine than anything is the fact that Patrick Mahomes is even in this conversation at 3,300 passing yards, 22 touchdowns, and 11 picks.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: Statistically his worst, worst year of his career.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense, even in this discussion.
[00:37:51] Speaker C: And name.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: Only in name. And the fact that they're 15 and one despite them winning a lot of close games and the refs arguably giving them multiple, multiple, multiple wins this year.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: And I'd have to look because I think this, this even might be a week behind on these stats.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: So I feel like they have to be. But. But still you're talking about like the passing numbers just aren't what they used to be.
[00:38:10] Speaker A: No, in general, yeah. I mean, look, I think you've seen defenses adjust. I think they too high safety learned about guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and they've got tired of being torched. I mean Patrick Mahomes, even the last few years with the weapons that he's had, like, like there he's thrown for a lot of yards, a lot of touchdowns and I think teams are sick of it. So. And with the decline and like the way that we've treated running backs, teams aren't scared of teams running the ball anymore. Which I think is why you've seen an uptick in running backs this year, having great seasons. You've got a number of them that have over a thousand yards already that, I mean, I know Saquon's at 2000, Derrick Henry, I think he's like 1800.
And they've had a lot of other good running backs that changed places throughout the course of the year. Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones, that have had good seasons.
So I think the running back is potentially back in the NFL, which is the good thing because those guys probably have what I think is outside of maybe playing cornerback in the NFL, I think is maybe the hardest position on the field. Because you take a beating.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:14] Speaker A: More so than anyone else.
[00:39:15] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I totally agree. But yeah, I mean, unfortunately, like it is crazy that are running the Saquon, Bark, Barkley specifically, like even though he is like you said, third or fourth and in the odds for the, for the mvp, nobody's really talking about him winning the MVP because he's the runner.
[00:39:34] Speaker A: I mean, he's become a quarterback.
[00:39:35] Speaker B: But that's crazy that just because you're a quarterback, you win the mvp.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I mean no one else even has a chance to win. I mean, think about like the defensive players that they've had great years. Like they're just not even in the conversation ever anymore because it's become such a quarterback driven league.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So they had to actually come up with defensive player of the year to like, like they split them off and did they, have they done that forever or is it, did they get rid of. They said MVP and defensive player of the year and offense player are going to be separate.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you have offensive player for player of the year or whatever, but it's just.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: I don't know, it's just so stupid that quarter. It's just. Why don't we just call it the best quarterback.
[00:40:17] Speaker A: There a couple updated statistics. Statistics. Statistics. Statistics that you.
[00:40:21] Speaker B: Ralph, I don't know where you're getting your statistics.
[00:40:25] Speaker A: Joe Burrow, 4, 600 yards on the season.
[00:40:27] Speaker B: He's the guy.
[00:40:28] Speaker A: 42 touchdowns, eight picks. Baker right behind him at 4, 300 yards, 39 touchdowns, 15 picks.
Jared Goff's over 4,000 yards. Lamar Jackson's at 39, 55, 39 touchdowns to four picks. Josh Allen is at 3,700 yards, 28 touchdowns, six picks.
[00:40:49] Speaker B: Like, how is he leading? Like, honestly, like, I would go Lamar, just because they're. They're the best. You know, he's carrying the best. Even that. Like, I don't even know that I would do that. I'd go Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is the mvp. Their defense is historically bad, and he's just by himself. Put him on his back and said, I'm going to bring us back to.500 and potentially get us into the playoffs here.
[00:41:10] Speaker A: I mean, the only thing is, is the Bills have a better rep record, you know, so it's like if you win.
[00:41:14] Speaker B: But that's stupid. Like, I don't think. I honestly don't think that record to an extent, I don't think record should be considered. Like, if you're both good teams, like within a couple games of each other. I don't think that that necessarily makes a difference.
[00:41:28] Speaker A: I don't think records should matter because I think the difference is in the conferences. If you look at the AFC north is immeasurably better right now than the AFC East.
Patriots rebuilding and sub luck. Jets terrible.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: And the Dolphins have been okay, but hampered by injuries all year long.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: Like, that's three.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: I mean, literally, the AFC north may have three teams make the playoffs again this year.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:53] Speaker A: And the Browns beat the Ravens, so.
[00:41:56] Speaker B: Yeah. And the Steelers.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: And the Steelers. Like the Browns beat the two. Two of the best. Two of the playoff teams.
[00:42:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:02] Speaker C: So the Browns suck.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: The Browns, they only have three wins. That's two of them.
Yeah. I just. I don't know. Joe Burrow would have my vote, but I can't vote for Joe Burrow, so I don't.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: We can't vote for anyone. We don't get a vote.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: Yeah, whatever.
[00:42:16] Speaker A: Burning River's worst guest is not Getting a burning river in the MVP conversation.
[00:42:20] Speaker C: Yeah, you guys should apply for that soon.
[00:42:23] Speaker A: We need a media license. Yeah.
[00:42:24] Speaker B: Something, something. Let's get into the Hot 3.
[00:42:27] Speaker A: Hot 3 in your lungs I'm the.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: Smoke in the sky I'm the gas in the tank Gonna turn it up Tank. It got hot.
[00:42:35] Speaker A: I'm hot to the touch Burning up I'm hot, hot the touch.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: I'm hot to the touch.
All right, guys, so I know we've talked about this topic on the show before, but I don't think we've ever done an Official Hot 3. Nicholas Cage movies. Oh, yeah, Yeah. A lot of good Nick Cage movies out there.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: I love me some Nick Cage.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So you love them?
[00:43:02] Speaker A: I do.
[00:43:03] Speaker B: All right, we're gonna start with you.
[00:43:04] Speaker A: I want to marry him.
[00:43:05] Speaker C: I love, love Nick.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: I love Nick.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: I love Nick.
[00:43:08] Speaker B: What's your hot three? Nick Cage movies.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: My hot three. Okay, let's see here. Number three. I gotta go.
National Treasure.
[00:43:17] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:43:18] Speaker A: I'm a big history guy, especially like in American History and even like conspiracy theory guy. So, like, I love the whole Knights Templar and just all the clues and things that were going through.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: And that'll lead to another clue. And that'll lead to another clue.
[00:43:34] Speaker A: Also, great cast. Dan Krueger, absolute smoke show. Justin Barnes from Hangover, Just a funny guy.
And Jon Voight. I mean, how can you not love Jon Voight? Jon Voight's also a big history buff, so I know that he really enjoyed being in that series.
I would just say that I hope that Nic Cage and the producers for that get things figured out because there's some kind of dispute stopping them from doing National Treasure 3. And I really want to know what's on page 47.
[00:44:01] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:44:02] Speaker B: I think I've told you this before. They talk about it on the Disney series.
[00:44:05] Speaker A: I still don't know what's on page 47. Could you tell me what's on page 47?
[00:44:09] Speaker B: I'll go watch the series again. We watched it a while back, but I didn't really pay close attention to it.
[00:44:14] Speaker A: Close attention to what's on page 47?
[00:44:16] Speaker B: No.
I don't know.
[00:44:18] Speaker A: You're the worst. But I love National Treasure. I watch it every time it's on TV. And even National Treasure 2 is good.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: And yeah, sequels are usually really bad, But National Treasure did a decent job.
[00:44:29] Speaker A: It's silly because it's like, oh, I'm also going to find a world changing treasure twice. But like, but they did it, like, in a way that it was believable. With the way that, you know the story is.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: He's the national treasure hunter.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: Yeah, he's the national treasure hunter. So.
[00:44:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: Well, two was just cool because he's Ben Franklin. The. Tied in with like the whole assassination of Lincoln and like there was just a whole bunch. There was like a lot more like history.
[00:44:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:51] Speaker A: So both movies were excellent. Stellar. Excellent. Number two. One of my favorite movies of all time. Connie.
Oh man. Star studded cast there. Cusack, Cusack, Buscemi, Malkovich.
[00:45:05] Speaker B: Who doesn't love cute Sack?
[00:45:07] Speaker A: Danny Trejo, Dave Chappelle, Ving Rhames.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: Who's the chicken at Monica Potter? She never looked better.
Just a great. I mean just the people around the bunny for the people around Nick Cage make that movie great.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: And one of the all time lines from Nick Cage is. Is the one I just get.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: Put that.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Put down.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: That's literally where the plot came from was that he wanted to have a movie that had an iconic line in it and they wrote it literally around that.
Put down the bunny.
But just, just a great, great movie.
[00:45:45] Speaker B: The whole scene at the end when they're like going through Vegas.
[00:45:49] Speaker A: Yeah. They actually crashed a plane into a casino for that scene that they were. They were. I forget what it was. Tropicana or something was about to be demolished.
[00:45:58] Speaker B: Nice. And cute. Sack takes his boss's car and ruins it.
[00:46:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I think the original plot called for it to be crashed into the White House, but they couldn't figure out a way to replicate an airplane crash in the White House. And then they got news that they were demoing that casino in Vegas and they were like, we can crash a plane into that.
Nice.
[00:46:16] Speaker B: Here we go. Hollywood's wild, guys. Oh, you're demoing a casino. Let me. Would you mind if we crash a plane into it?
[00:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: So let's get one last use out of it.
[00:46:27] Speaker A: That's a great Nick Cage flick. And then number one for me and this is actually like one of my favorite movies of all time period is the Family Man.
Not a huge cast in that, but him and Te Leone are just like great chemistry together. I think Don Cheadle's in that. Jeremy Piven like the other big names in that. But like Don Cheadle's like got God or something.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, he's. He's the one that's like he gives him his. Gives him his glimpse.
[00:46:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Into what his life could have been if he wasn't chasing fame and wealth and any kind.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: That's what a glimpse is by definition.
[00:47:05] Speaker A: Yeah. He Kind of has. He has the glimpse of, like, being a family man, having kids, and he kind of like, he really starts to enjoy it. It's just like the great movie. Like the adage of, like, man, the part gets me. Money doesn't buy happiness.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: Like, the part where the daughter's like, I knew you'd come back. Gets me every time.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: My favorite part movie is when he refalls in love with TE Leone. And they're laying on the bed and he's just looking at her and he's like, God, you're beautiful. Just, you are so beautiful. Like, you grew into a more beautiful person than I even like, remembered you, like when we were young. Yeah. Just something about that scene just always gets me. But one of my favorites of all time. Great movie. Love Love Family Man.
[00:47:46] Speaker B: Nice. That's pretty good. Hot. 3. There's a lot of Nick Cage movies.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: Cage movies.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Bone. No, I'll go next.
Number three. I'm going next because you already talked about two of mine. But number three, Con Air.
Like you said, just fantastic movie. My favorite.
One of my top two Nick Cage quotes is Put down the Bunny. So number two, National Treasure. For all the same reasons that you said, American history really fascinates me. And there are, surprisingly, you start digging into American history and there are a lot of like. Like from like the revolutionary time period, like conspiracies and secrets and like all kinds of stuff that you can get into. So it's pretty. Pretty interesting stuff. And then number one for me.
Gotta take your face off.
His face off. I've never seen Nick. Well, now to this point you have, but up to that point, before that movie came out, I had never seen Nick Cage so unhinged.
Now it's just like a regular occurrence in all of his movies.
But that movie is wild. Like the opening scene when he's just in like the. The robes of like the. The clergyman and he's just like dancing around with the doves all. All around him and getting ready to blow up the city. And yeah, he lives a wildlife. Yeah.
So, I mean, that movie was crazy.
[00:49:13] Speaker A: Travolta was great in that and John.
[00:49:15] Speaker B: Travolta was awesome in that because I thought he did a really good job of mimicking, like, the. The insane.
Just. Just mannerisms of. Of Nick Cage and Nick Cage on the other side. It was like all buttoned up and stuff after he got. After he turned into John Travolta's character.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: Just the premise of.
[00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:36] Speaker A: Taking a face off.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, the science is terrible in that. Movie. Like, don't. Yeah. The science is bad, but.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: No, but it's a good. I mean, yeah, you're still.
[00:49:44] Speaker B: It's fine.
[00:49:44] Speaker A: It's a great premise.
[00:49:45] Speaker B: It's fine.
[00:49:45] Speaker A: What if he took someone's face? It took it off.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: Just take his face. You got to take. Got to take his face off.
[00:49:51] Speaker A: And then you gave it to another guy.
They should have called it that Face off and give it to another guy.
[00:49:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:50:00] Speaker A: It would have been more accurate, but.
[00:50:01] Speaker B: Yeah, Face off is number one for me. So. Bone Hot. Three Nick Cage movies.
[00:50:05] Speaker C: All right. Okay. I got two different ones.
[00:50:08] Speaker B: So you got two different hot threes.
[00:50:10] Speaker C: No, two different movies on my list that you guys do not have.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: Oh, I like that. That. So number honorable mentions, too. So keep that in mind.
[00:50:18] Speaker C: Which I love all. All the movies you guys already mentioned, but number three is Kick Ass. O. I. I think the movie is hilarious. And it kind of.
[00:50:27] Speaker B: I.
[00:50:28] Speaker C: It was after the old superhero stuff was coming out. I feel like they made that movie before they did kind of the superhero spoofs. I feel like it was the first one.
[00:50:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:36] Speaker C: And it was just. It was great.
[00:50:37] Speaker B: It was like, right when Marvel was just getting started, I think was. Wasn't it?
[00:50:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:41] Speaker C: Kind of during my time.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: Like, the Avengers portion of Marvel was just getting started.
[00:50:45] Speaker C: It was just funny. Yeah.
Number two, Conair has to be on my list. I don't want to go in any detail, but it's. It's fantastic.
[00:50:54] Speaker B: Put down the bunny.
[00:50:56] Speaker C: I just. Yeah. Like, this is the.
[00:50:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:59] Speaker C: Buscemi's character and stuff is just creepy.
[00:51:01] Speaker B: You didn't even mention him, did you?
[00:51:02] Speaker C: I mean. Yeah.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: This.
[00:51:03] Speaker C: The whole thing.
[00:51:04] Speaker B: Malik Buscemi, what a. What a range that guy has.
[00:51:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Exactly.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: In my.
[00:51:10] Speaker C: That song, man, the whole. In my head all through my childhood scarred him. Yeah.
But number one, I. I'm surprised this wasn't on your guys list. But gone in 60 seconds.
[00:51:23] Speaker B: It's. That was my first honorable mention.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: Love that movie.
[00:51:26] Speaker B: Because that's one of my other favorite quotes is when he's like, let's go.
[00:51:32] Speaker C: Let's go.
Angelina Julie, fantastic in that movie. And then I think, was it Ben Foster? Maybe. Maybe. Is that his brother? Maybe I got the wrong guy. But cool movie. Really good. I'm not really even a car guy.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: No, no. But. But gone in 60 seconds, if I. If I remember right, came out just before, like, Fast and the Furious was becoming a thing.
[00:51:52] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: Like, I think gone in 60 seconds came out, if I'm not mistaken. Like, it was either, like, the Same year, but earlier in the year or like a year or two ahead of the original. Fast and the Furious.
[00:52:02] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:52:03] Speaker B: And so, like, before this whole, like, car thing really picked up and then they started doing well.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Certainly before there were 10 fast and.
[00:52:10] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, it was. But no, really good movie. Good choice. Honorable mentions, guys. Just start throwing them out there.
[00:52:20] Speaker C: I had Face off in National Treasure as my honorable mentions.
[00:52:23] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:52:27] Speaker A: There's just so.
[00:52:27] Speaker C: Snake Eyes.
[00:52:28] Speaker B: Snake Eyes is a good one.
[00:52:30] Speaker A: The Rock.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: The Rock is a good one.
[00:52:32] Speaker A: Talkers, dude.
[00:52:33] Speaker B: Talkers.
[00:52:34] Speaker C: I meant to write that on my list. That was really good. That's the Navajo movie, right?
[00:52:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Everybody hates it, but I like it because it's so bad as Ghost Rider. Like, it's just so bad.
And then they made another one.
[00:52:47] Speaker A: Matchstick man was another, like, good, like, con type movie.
[00:52:52] Speaker B: Yep. Sorcerer's Apprentice. Did you guys ever see that? That's actually a fun little, like, kids movie.
[00:52:57] Speaker A: I don't think I've seen that.
[00:52:58] Speaker B: He was pretty good in that.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: What was it? Wasn't he in a love story with, like, Meg Ryan?
[00:53:03] Speaker B: The knowing. Not that's not the one you're talking about, but the knowing. That was another good one. Wicker Man.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: See the future.
[00:53:08] Speaker C: Wicker Man.
[00:53:09] Speaker A: That was City of Angels.
[00:53:10] Speaker B: I think it was called City of Angels.
[00:53:12] Speaker A: I think Megarin was in that.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: I'm just trying to think.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: I just watched an old one on Netflix, actually. That was. Was entertaining.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: Oh, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, where.
[00:53:25] Speaker A: He wins the lottery.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: He was in the Cotton, the remake of the Cotton Clip Club.
[00:53:30] Speaker A: He wins the lottery and shares it with the waitress.
[00:53:33] Speaker B: I don't know which one that one is.
[00:53:35] Speaker A: I don't know.
That was good.
[00:53:37] Speaker B: Honeymoon in Vegas.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: He's been in a ton of stuff, like in the last.
[00:53:41] Speaker B: Just so many good movies.
[00:53:42] Speaker A: A lot of his early stuff was really, really, really, really good.
[00:53:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he was just in that movie. Like, didn't they just make a movie about him?
[00:53:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I've been wanting to watch it.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: What is it?
[00:53:51] Speaker A: It's the Unbearable Success of Massive Talent or something. I haven't had a chance to watch it, but it's on my list of things to see because.
[00:53:59] Speaker B: Where is it?
Yeah, it's with Pedro Pascal.
[00:54:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:05] Speaker B: And yeah, that movie looked hilarious. I saw the preview. I haven't seen it yet, but I want to see that too, because that looks hilarious. But yeah. Nick Cage, just a man of many faces, I guess.
[00:54:15] Speaker A: And one with his face.
[00:54:16] Speaker C: Multiple faces.
[00:54:17] Speaker B: Yeah, with.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: That guy's got so much money.
[00:54:22] Speaker B: Oh, he's Got to you on a million dollar even. Let's just go on a million dollars a movie now.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: It's been in every movie ever made.
[00:54:27] Speaker C: And guys, where does it get and buried?
[00:54:29] Speaker B: What?
[00:54:29] Speaker C: Where's he going to be buried?
[00:54:30] Speaker B: Oh, he's going to be buried In.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: New Orleans Cemetery One.
[00:54:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:54:33] Speaker A: St. Louis Cemetery One.
[00:54:35] Speaker C: Yeah, we saw. We saw his. What was that? A mausoleum? They call it.
[00:54:39] Speaker B: Yeah, they. Yeah, I don't know what they called it, but it's a. It's a pyramid.
[00:54:42] Speaker A: Yeah, they're all mausoleums.
[00:54:43] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's. It's a pyramid. And they were mad about it. The church was. Because they thought it was sacrilege. And he said, no, no, no. I'll tell you why it's not.
[00:54:51] Speaker A: Yeah, pyramid.
[00:54:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a fun story.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: We.
[00:54:55] Speaker B: I recommend going and getting that tour, but anyways, that'll do it for the hot three Nick Cage movies.
[00:55:00] Speaker A: I was just watching your honor, and they were talking about cemetery number one, St. Louis cemetery number one. I was like. I was there.
[00:55:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Nice, Kenny. You know what? It's time for.
[00:55:09] Speaker A: Something we do every week.
[00:55:11] Speaker B: Yeah. It's time for an interview. Something we started doing last week. We're going to continue it this year. Last week? Last year.
[00:55:16] Speaker A: We just started it.
[00:55:17] Speaker B: We started it last year.
We're going to continue doing it this year.
This is the final one for the season, except for when they announce the Browns backers chapter of the year. We'll try and get them on as well. But this is the last, last one for the season as far as the following, the Browns around.
And we like to highlight these groups because they're huge Browns fans and they're doing a ton of great work in their communities. So with that, let's go ahead and get into the next interview in the series.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: Powered by Riverside F.
[00:55:57] Speaker B: All right, guys, so for this brownsbackers interview, please help me welcome from behind or or near enemy lines anyways, the president of the Annapolis area Brownsbackers, Devin.
[00:56:09] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:56:10] Speaker B: Thank you, Devin. Thanks. Yeah, thanks so much for joining us. How are you today?
[00:56:14] Speaker D: Absolutely. Doing well. Enjoying Christmas slash New Year's holiday break, so been chilling. Chilling at home instead of heading into the office regularly. That's been. Been nice. I'd like to say I've been enjoying some football, but it's been particularly hard to enjoy this year. But, you know, we're troopers Browns fans, so it's. It's been fun. Even though we stink.
[00:56:36] Speaker A: It's definitely that. That weird time of year you kind of wake up and don't know what day it is or what's going on.
[00:56:41] Speaker B: We've been lovingly referring to it as the taint of the year in this episode. So, you know, it is what it is.
[00:56:47] Speaker D: I'm honored.
[00:56:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
That we would have you on during this time.
[00:56:51] Speaker A: During this special time.
[00:56:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, Devin, so tell, tell us about your chapter out there. First of all, I just want to point out that compared to most of the presidents that we talk to, you're pretty young.
So talk about that as you're telling us about your chapter.
[00:57:07] Speaker A: It's a gross assumption. You don't know how old he is. Maybe he just looks really young.
[00:57:10] Speaker D: Yeah, I just do a lot of blood transfusions.
[00:57:13] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah.
Yeah. For 75, you look good. Yeah.
[00:57:18] Speaker D: Thank you. I appreciate it.
[00:57:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:21] Speaker D: 75 body of a 39 year old.
[00:57:23] Speaker A: So there you go.
[00:57:25] Speaker D: Do what I can.
[00:57:26] Speaker B: But yeah, tell us, tell us about your chapter. You know, kind of where you guys are at, where your viewing location is, all those good things. So.
[00:57:34] Speaker D: So we are the Annapolis area Browns backers. I moved down here to Annapolis from, from Ohio in 2000, 2009 full time and when I moved there was no chapter in this area. So I had to truck my butt all the way up to North Baltimore about an hour drive, drive to the Baltimore Browns backers. But then one of my local heroes, Jeff Slater, started this chapter in 2012, which was really nice because then I just had to drive down the street and our first location was, was Buffalo Wild Wings and then we've ended up moving a couple times. So our recent chapter location we've been at for a few years now is Glory Days in Edgewater. They've been great hosts for us. We've got a private room in the back of the restaurant, private servers and audio, lots of T all around. So we got a couple games going on anytime we're viewing the Browns. So they've been great. And we actually just started branching out to a northern location now too at Ramillo's in Severna park area. Trying to, trying to make it easier for certain people, you know, different, different areas to get, get to one of the locations and meet up with some, some fans. So that's been going well. We've used it for, for our off schedule games this year. So like the non one o'clock games which usually attendance is lower anyways.
[00:58:55] Speaker B: So like this Saturday.
[00:58:56] Speaker D: Yep.
[00:58:57] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:58:57] Speaker D: So we're just there this past Saturday and we'll be there this coming Saturday and it's actually really cool for the, for the Ravens games. They have a local Ravens club that meets up there, so we've done a joint party for the last one, which was particularly awesome.
[00:59:10] Speaker B: Is this gonna be like west side Story? Like.
[00:59:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I think so.
[00:59:14] Speaker D: I'm gonna try and get some of that going.
[00:59:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. There's gonna be a bad battle.
[00:59:18] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:59:20] Speaker A: So that's been fun. Yeah.
[00:59:22] Speaker D: So, man, 12 years now, I guess we've been around, and it's been a good time. Jeff has been looking for someone to take over the club the past few years. He's trying to be more hands off so he can do less of the work and enjoy, you know, to the extent possible, more of the just hanging out with the fans and watching the game. So I took over this year. This is my first year as president of the. Of the Annapolis area backers. So it's been fun if it's tough because I'm. I've got a lot of different jobs, so I'm really, really busy in general. But this is something that's so enjoyable to me that, like, the work that I have to put into it really is kind of.
[01:00:02] Speaker A: Kind of fun.
[01:00:02] Speaker D: It's like a break from. From the other, you know, grinds that I do.
[01:00:06] Speaker B: We know something about that.
[01:00:07] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a labor of love.
[01:00:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and that's awesome, man. The fact that you're taking over. I know that you know that that's. It's actually probably a good thing because again, I mentioned how you're part of the younger crowd, and for whatever reason, it seems like a lot of the brownsbackers groups are having a lot of trouble getting the younger crowd to come out to their games. So the fact that you've taken over and you can kind of infuse some youth, if you will, into that group is pretty awesome.
[01:00:39] Speaker D: Yeah, I think it's been going pretty well, and I definitely bring a. A different style to the club than. Than our former president. You know, I'm not going to say that it's. That it's better, but it's, you know.
[01:00:49] Speaker B: It'S just me, but it's better. Yeah.
[01:00:52] Speaker D: Honestly.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:56] Speaker D: And it's been fun. And, man, early. Early this year and coming out of last year and heading into this year, we had probably 50. 50 people show up for our. For our late games last year and our. And our early games this year, and we hung on with pretty good numbers through middle of the season. Probably 30. 20 or 30 people every week, even though things were not looking like they were going to be stellar for the rest of the year and now, you know, late in a season like this, it's tough. It's tough to get, you know, pretty impressive attendance any given week, but we've still got people coming out. We've got like 10 or 15 on a. On a regular basis every week showing up to, you know, cry mostly driving ourselves in our beers.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:01:46] Speaker D: So it's been fun and we've had a nice mix of new. New faces that we haven't seen previous years, too, so. So hopefully we can keep that up. Maybe we can do something in the off season to put a. Put a team together so we can enjoy ourselves more next year. We'll see.
[01:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure.
[01:02:02] Speaker A: Baltimore is in. Is an interesting place in terms of this relationship with the Browns, given the history. I mean, are. Do you find most of your members. Are they transpl you that have, you know, moved from Ohio for work or whatever else or. I find it kind of hard to believe that there's, like, locals that grew up watching. Watching the Browns and still root for the Browns even though the Ravens came there.
[01:02:25] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, they're pretty much rooting for the, you know, the previous Browns, but they don't like.
And, you know, we traded. Trade them away right when they decided to. To play really well and win a Super Bowl. So. Yeah, so most of the people. People that I run into are working in the area, so they. They grew up in Ohio. You know, they were born a Browns fan because, you know, let's be honest, we didn't really choose this life, and then they moved down here for work. There's a lot of. A lot of people that live here that didn't grow up in the area, and it's kind of fun being in the Baltimore area because there is that rivalry. So it kind of keeps things interesting and it keeps me motivated to watch football even when there's no hope for the Browns winning because I still love to cheer for the Ravens to lose and Pittsburgh to lose. We've got, you know, decent. Decent Steelers groups down here, too, so. So that's been fun. And I think there's a very large military presence down here as well. We've got several bases in the area, so a lot of military folks here for at least a few years before they get shipped off somewhere else.
One of my good buddies just moved here last year and just stumbled on our bar. He was there with his. With his son watching the game, and we were like, well, there's more of us in the room. You want to come hang out? He was like, oh, I Didn't even know there was a club going on.
[01:03:46] Speaker B: Nice. Nice.
[01:03:47] Speaker D: It worked out well.
[01:03:48] Speaker B: That's what Bob Ross would call a happy accident.
Listen, I know that your group is also doing charity. Even though we don't like Baltimore, I know your group is also doing some charity work. Auburn Browns backers groups do some charity work. So what do you. What are you guys involved with over there? Very true.
[01:04:09] Speaker D: So we got a couple things going on. Our biggest contribution this year has been to a inner city Baltimore charity that I've been supporting for, for a long time personally. And now I got. Since I took over, I got the club supporting as well. It's called Helping Up Mission and they focus on working with homeless people and, and many of whom have addiction problems. So they take them in, they house them, they give them job training, get them clean and then back on their feet. Find them places to live and places to work and reintroduce them into society as a healthy, happy individual compared to.
[01:04:47] Speaker A: Where they came from.
[01:04:48] Speaker D: So that's something that I've been really happy with our group contributing to each year. A couple other things we've done previous years and we still do participate in even if. Even if we don't always give all of our money to his. Wreaths Across America was, was big for Jeff and he's been doing that for. Since they. Since they opened the club in 2012.
We go down to Arlington Cemetery typically when they do their. Their wreath laying every year. So that's pretty cool. Being in the area, going to one of those bigger, more famous military cemeteries has been fun. And then another little one that, that we've started donating to recently and, and contribute to with our time as we can is Bikes for Tykes, which is pretty much so. So we got, we give, give them a little bit of money and then if we can, you know, we send some members up, they need a lot of help putting together the bikes during the time when they're getting ready to hand them out, which is typically Christmas.
[01:05:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:05:46] Speaker A: Nice.
[01:05:49] Speaker B: That's awesome. All great charities.
And you know, the, the, the first one that it's always cool when you have a kind of a personal passion that you can bring into something like this and connect it all together. It makes it that much more meaningful to yourself, which I think drives an even bigger impact because there's a lot of passion behind it.
[01:06:12] Speaker D: I was really happy about that and I am very selective with my charities and I really like to support the ones that don't just put band aids on things and say everybody Did a great job. We gave this guy a sandwich for the day and then, you know, he's still, he's still living a life that's not, not something that he's happy.
[01:06:31] Speaker B: Right.
[01:06:32] Speaker D: These guys really turn, turn lives around. It's really something. I'm happy.
[01:06:36] Speaker B: That's awesome. That's awesome. And now real quick, before we get into the football side of things, I do want to ask you one question. You kind of alluded to it already. You're. You're in the Annapolis area. You're a Browns fan.
You had mentioned being born into this because nobody chooses this life. Is that what happened with you?
[01:06:57] Speaker D: That was my, that was my fate. So I, I grew up in Canton, Ohio and then didn't move down here until I graduated from, from undergrad 2009. So, yep, I was born, born a Browns fan. Born and raised while I was born in California, but I moved here. My, my parents grew up, both born in Canton. Grew up in Canton, met each other and then moved back here when I was two, back to Canton, Ohio. So, so pretty much, you know, born and raised. Born to Cantonites and raised in Canton my whole life.
And I, I enjoyed.
[01:07:30] Speaker B: Which high school did you go to in Canton there?
[01:07:32] Speaker D: Went to Glen Oak, Nice Plain Township. Lived walking distance from school. So I walked, walked my butt to school. I like to make fun of the kids now because, you know, we don't really get much snow around here. They shut things down for when there's a dusting or sometimes just the threat of snow. The next day they'll shut down. I'm like, I remember walking. I sound like an old man. So.
[01:07:56] Speaker B: See where these stories come from?
[01:07:58] Speaker A: 75.
[01:07:58] Speaker B: Yeah, he is 75. Looking like he's 30.
[01:08:00] Speaker D: Yeah, you'll be able to tell my age now. I can't hide it physically when I say things like this, but I remember walking to school in foot deep snow, you know, trudging my ass, and I'm like, what? How did we not close school today? Don't close schools in Ohio, but they, they do it down here.
[01:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a different time. Yeah, different time. It was a better time.
[01:08:20] Speaker A: I remember some pretty sketchy bus rides in elementary school.
[01:08:24] Speaker B: Me too.
[01:08:25] Speaker D: This doesn't feel safe, but yeah, my parents are still, still in Ohio, so I get back there once, once every other year at least. I like to try and go to a game with my buddies who are all scattered across the, across the country now. But, but we try and meet up for a game at least once a year. We didn't make it this year. Too much going on, but, you know.
[01:08:44] Speaker A: You didn't miss much.
[01:08:48] Speaker B: It was a good year to skip it.
Don't worry. They're going to have a new stadium soon maybe so you could, you could.
[01:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll be a good reason to come back.
[01:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
But. Yeah, onto the football side of things here. Not that there's all that much to talk about, but what are your thoughts on this year's Cleveland Browns and where do you think things went wrong?
[01:09:06] Speaker D: It's, man, it's been a rough year and it's, it was so surprising, I think because we were such a beat up team last year with four quarterbacks and you know, Flacco, who we had to pick up because we ran through the other three before the season ended and somehow we managed to win games and you know, we lost Chubb, what second game of the year last year and, and we still, you know, put together some, some game winning football and I don't understand, understand how you take that team and, and somehow this is what we got this year where, I mean, the first eight games and you know, everybody's got a lot to say about desean Watson.
Couldn't really say I understood that contract in the first place, but I, I liked to hope that maybe it worked out well because we signed it and that was, was clearly not, not the right move. I think everybody is finally, hopefully knocking on wood realizing even in the, you know, the company or the, the Browns team leadership that you'd be surprised.
[01:10:16] Speaker B: You might not see as much of it because you live over there in Annapolis, but there's a lot of supporters still here and it's really weird.
[01:10:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:22] Speaker D: Like how.
[01:10:23] Speaker B: And I don't know, he's on paper statistically since he's been here. He's like one of the worst quarterbacks ever, so.
[01:10:29] Speaker D: Yeah, and you can't, I mean, what, he pads seven or eight games this year where he couldn't put together 200 yards or go over 20 points in a single game.
[01:10:40] Speaker B: He's allergic to 200 yards.
[01:10:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:42] Speaker D: And like, somehow we're still, we're still playing him and this like, come on, man, if we got a pitcher out there who's throwing, you know, home run balls every, every round, every inning, like you're gonna, you're gonna bench that guy, you're gonna try something else. Like, why don't we keep sending this same guy out there?
[01:11:00] Speaker A: We're not Cleveland. You got a kicker that doesn't make field goals, so.
[01:11:03] Speaker D: Oh man, that's been another like, huge Shock this year. Like, Justin Tucker and. And Hopkins both were like, you could bet money on those kicks. 60 yards. Yeah, it's going to go through that.
[01:11:15] Speaker A: We.
[01:11:15] Speaker B: Yeah, we've talked about that a lot this year. Like, we would literally trot him out from 65 and the assumption, like, it wasn't even like a, yeah, he might make this. It was like a, yeah, he's definitely making this. It's 65 yards. No problem.
[01:11:26] Speaker D: Yep.
[01:11:27] Speaker B: And now it's like. Now it's like 27 yards. We're probably in trouble.
[01:11:31] Speaker D: I mean, he. He missed. What was it like? We went for the extra point. He missed it. But someone called a time. Now there was like a defensive holding call on an extra point, which was super goofy. Got to try it again. Shanked it.
[01:11:45] Speaker C: Same.
[01:11:45] Speaker D: Same shit. Like, what are you doing after that? I said, just stop kicking the ball. Just go. Go for it every time.
[01:11:52] Speaker A: I don't care.
[01:11:53] Speaker D: Just.
[01:11:53] Speaker B: I mean, statistically, you're at like 53% anyways. Like, why not? Yeah, over time, it'll actually. You'll actually be in the positive if you go for two every time.
[01:12:01] Speaker D: So extra points are not guaranteed.
[01:12:03] Speaker B: Well, we know why we're not going for two. We got DTR as quarterback, so there's that. But no, on top of it. Everybody's talking about they really want to keep Stefanski because he's a great coach. And it's like, this is the guy. I understand you can argue who's making calls and whatever the case may be, but this is the guy that trotted out these. These quarterbacks every week and sat there in press conferences and told us that desean Watson gave us the best chance to win.
[01:12:30] Speaker A: Well, I'm kind of wondering, like, what happened to Stefanski, the quarterback whisker whisperer. Right. Like, that was one of the big. When he came in was that, oh, he's this quarterback guru to work with all these quarterbacks, they can't hear him.
[01:12:40] Speaker B: He's whispering.
[01:12:41] Speaker A: And we haven't seen any of that.
[01:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. I mean, you're right. This year. Just look at this year. DTR Jameis Winston, Deshaun Watson, all terrible.
[01:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, no one's been particularly good. I mean, James had stretches, but. But that's what James is.
[01:12:57] Speaker D: He had a game or two, but, man, like, I had hoped at least that he would throw as many touchdowns as interview interceptions, but the last couple games, it was just all interceptions.
[01:13:06] Speaker B: I think he was still positive. I think he was one over.
[01:13:08] Speaker A: He finished 13 and 12.
Yeah.
[01:13:10] Speaker B: I mean, that would have been. But that's what I mean. That's way better than DTR.
[01:13:15] Speaker A: So these years, one for 10 for his career.
[01:13:17] Speaker D: So yeah, yeah, he's, he's not, he is not impressed. And I know everyone says well you know, he's still young, he's still fresh. But I'm seeing, I've seen enough Daniels come into Washington and, and like it up and he's a, he's young, he's fresh.
[01:13:32] Speaker A: I think different caliber.
[01:13:33] Speaker D: Yeah. Some people can play in the NFL and some can't. And I just.
[01:13:37] Speaker B: Well, the good news is, you know, whether I guess whether it's good news or not can be debated but we no longer have to go through the DTR experiment. I'm almost positive he will be gone in the off season because I would.
[01:13:48] Speaker D: Be surprised if we hung on to him.
[01:13:50] Speaker B: I think it's been made which again the Browns just bad decision by the Browns because before this, before he played even like throughout the season he had some value because people knew he was athletic and you, there was some trade value there where you could at least trade him away and get something for him. That's all shot now. Nobody's going to want to touch him.
So I don't know, it's just rough.
Go ahead.
[01:14:13] Speaker A: Yeah, obviously, I mean that brings up a good point. I mean quarterback is going to be a huge question mark for this team going forward. Do you have someone in this year's draft that you maybe have an eye on? Would you rather see a retread? Like I know there, there's a lot of talk about Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold with J.J. mcCarthy, Minnesota, what they're going to do there. Is there, is there a perfect scenario or a bridge scenario, something you'd like to see happen for next year?
[01:14:38] Speaker D: So I think, I think being a Browns fan has given me little hope that we will select a NFL caliber quarterback.
[01:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:14:51] Speaker D: So I tend to want to use those draft picks for, for running backs, receivers, offensive line. Something that I think think if we can put a mediocre quarterback behind a solid offensive line and give them some great receivers like we're going to, we're going to win more games than we're winning this year. So finding that, that like good enough quarterback and making a trade for him, I think is, is going to be better news than draft selection.
[01:15:23] Speaker A: You think, you think someone like Ashton Genti would look good? Norton and Brown?
[01:15:27] Speaker D: I, I mean better than, better than a lot of guys we got wearing right now. Yeah, I would, I would take it I think.
And I wasn't. I wasn't in love with. With Mayfield, but.
But he. But he won us games.
[01:15:43] Speaker B: He's not.
[01:15:44] Speaker D: He's not a. He's not a Tom Brady quarterback, but he's, I think, like Joe Flacco quarterback. He's winning games. He's throwing interceptions, throwing touchdowns.
[01:15:52] Speaker B: This year, he's hardly throwing any interceptions, but that's a whole other story.
[01:15:56] Speaker D: And he killed it the other day. Five touchdowns for stupid amounts of yardage.
[01:16:01] Speaker B: Like. Yeah. We. We've talked at length this season about. I wish we knew. It was the good old days when it was the good old days.
[01:16:11] Speaker A: It was a fleeting moment in our history.
[01:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Then we ran him out of town, but onto this week's game. So this week that's enough talking about the Browns of the season because that's just depressing.
I guess we'll be depressed some more right now, but this week's game, we play the Ravens, they're obviously going for a division title. They do have to win the game for the division because if they lose in Pittsburgh wins. Pittsburgh has the tiebreaker.
So what do you. What are your thoughts on this week's game? And when you're done telling us how bad you think the Browns are going to get destroyed, tell us what you think the final score is going to be.
[01:16:44] Speaker A: Keep in mind, the spread right now is 17. Oh, God.
[01:16:49] Speaker B: Eighteen. It went up to 18. It went up to 18.
[01:16:52] Speaker D: And I assume we're. We're starting DTR again because why.
[01:16:55] Speaker A: They've been a little bit mum on that. They. I've been in the other.
[01:16:58] Speaker B: I have a sneaky suspicion that we're going to go with. Bailey's happy, but we'll see because why not? Let's just add him to the jersey. Yeah.
[01:17:05] Speaker D: Who gives a at this point?
[01:17:07] Speaker B: Right? Yeah.
[01:17:08] Speaker D: See what happens.
[01:17:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:17:09] Speaker D: I would love. I would love to be. To be the dream crushing team that just comes in and wins a game we have no business winning to. To lower their seed in the playoffs. I don't know that I would put money on that. I think I. I think I probably put a lot of stock in that spread.
And honestly, based on. Based on the last few games where I think maybe we've had.
[01:17:38] Speaker B: We scored three last week.
[01:17:40] Speaker D: Yeah. That was. That was rough to watch too. And like we get to the end zone and then we're giving the ball the other team.
[01:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:17:48] Speaker D: Part of.
[01:17:49] Speaker B: We ain't want it.
[01:17:51] Speaker D: I think. I think. Think if. If Jamis was in there, maybe we score some points But I don't know that, I don't know that we're going to hold off Baltimore somehow. We managed to do it last time. I still think our defense has the ability to play some, some good games, but most of the time I think they're on the field too much and in our offense just, just can't put anything together. So we wear down starting, you know, heading into the second half, and then the other teams, you usually start, start scoring pretty heavily. So I wouldn't be surprised if Baltimore put up, put up 30, you know, 35 points and, and maybe, maybe we get 17.
[01:18:33] Speaker B: If 17 is generous. I like that. Yeah, if we get 17, I'm gonna be pumped.
[01:18:38] Speaker A: The game might at least be watchable.
[01:18:39] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure I, I, I will. We'll make our, our predictions here soon, but I'm pretty sure I have us down for six, so.
And yeah, I'm, I'm, that might be generous.
So 30, optimistic prediction, but 35 to 17.
[01:18:55] Speaker A: You know, the problem is, Devin, you're just not old enough. You just don't, you're 75.
[01:19:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:19:01] Speaker A: You don't have enough Brown's perspective.
That's true.
[01:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, listen, on that depressing note, Devin, you know, I wish we could sit here and talk to you all day. It has been fun. We appreciate all of your insights and everything that you guys are doing out there in Annapolis, even though it is in the community of one of our biggest rivals. We appreciate what you're doing and helping out where you can, and it's been awesome having you on the show.
[01:19:27] Speaker A: You do a lot of crab cakes out there?
[01:19:28] Speaker D: Heck, yeah. Yeah. I love seafood, love crab cakes. I think every time we go somewhere, my wife gets a crab cake. She just can't help herself.
[01:19:35] Speaker A: Crab cakes and football. I like Maryland does.
[01:19:40] Speaker B: But thanks, thanks so much for joining us, Devin. I'm sure we'll talk to you soon and we'll try and get out there at some point and see you in person. So.
[01:19:47] Speaker D: Yeah, man, yeah. Anytime you're out here, hit me up. Love to have you.
[01:19:50] Speaker B: All right. Appreciate it.
[01:19:51] Speaker A: Thanks so much.
[01:19:52] Speaker D: Thanks, guys.
We're the Annapolis Area Browns Backers, and you're listening to the Burning River Sportscast. Go Browns.
[01:20:12] Speaker B: Man. Good time talking to Devin from the Annapolis area Brownsbackers, huh?
[01:20:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Like I said, we had a friend that went there Annapolis.
[01:20:19] Speaker B: He's back. He's back.
Yeah. I mean, it just, just goes to show you, I mean, like, these groups come in every shape, size, form, whatever the case may be, and they're all doing just good work for their communities and, and just hats off to all of them.
[01:20:34] Speaker A: Crab kicks with football is what Maryland does.
[01:20:37] Speaker B: There's a crab up there.
[01:20:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:20:39] Speaker B: See that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But with that, let's go ahead and take a quick revenue break and then get back here and talk about the Week 18 matchup with the Ravens.
[01:20:47] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[01:20:47] Speaker B: We're finally going to get put out of our M.
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All right, guys, let's, let's, let's do the Week 18 preview brought to you by by True Fan Travel.
All right, guys, this week we have round two with the Baltimore Ravens. You know what it's time for, Kenny. You know what it's time for?
It's the last one. You don't have to do this anymore. After this.
It's time for Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:22:21] Speaker C: Oh, there it is.
[01:22:22] Speaker A: There's my dumb face.
[01:22:24] Speaker B: I didn't say it this time. You said it.
[01:22:26] Speaker A: Look, guys, here's the deal.
The last time these teams met in Week 8, the Browns were an entirely different football team.
Jameis Winston was the quarterback. He threw for 300 yards and three touchdowns. He gone.
[01:22:42] Speaker B: He's gone.
[01:22:43] Speaker A: Nick Chubb was the leading rusher. He's on ir.
[01:22:45] Speaker B: He gone.
[01:22:46] Speaker A: Cedric Dillman. Cedric Tillman.
[01:22:48] Speaker B: Cedric Dillman.
[01:22:49] Speaker A: Tillman. He caught two touchdowns and was a leading receiver on the poise of breaking out as a star.
[01:22:54] Speaker B: He's gonna be out again.
[01:22:55] Speaker A: Haven't seen him in weeks.
[01:22:56] Speaker B: He's been out with a concussion for like six weeks.
[01:22:59] Speaker A: And Jok was your leading tackler. In fact, that was the last game he played.
[01:23:02] Speaker B: Maybe he might never play again.
[01:23:04] Speaker A: Yeah, this team is a shadow of what it was and what it could have been. The Ravens, on the other hand, have continued to be who we thought they were.
[01:23:12] Speaker B: Seriously, I just get a graphic here. We're at 415.
Oh, it's on a Saturday, though. Saturday game. Yeah, Saturday game this week. Yeah.
[01:23:20] Speaker A: Great. Thank you for Interrupting my Cliff Notes.
[01:23:23] Speaker B: Sorry. I was pissed.
[01:23:24] Speaker A: The Ravens have continued to be who we thought they were, which is just one of the top teams in the NFL. I don't know how Lamar doesn't win. Another MVP. Derek Henry's rushed for almost 2,000 yards, and they've mounted signature wins against several playoff contenders.
The spread will probably be like 20 by halftime by game time, so please let this season end.
[01:23:45] Speaker B: That's it. That's it, huh?
[01:23:47] Speaker A: That's my Cliff Notes for this week.
[01:23:49] Speaker B: All right, that'll take us to Ronnie Jam's matchups that matter.
All right, you see, Russell is starting to look washed again.
[01:24:04] Speaker A: N. He's only played 10 games.
[01:24:06] Speaker B: He sucks.
[01:24:07] Speaker A: If you double that. He's right up there.
[01:24:08] Speaker B: He sucks.
[01:24:10] Speaker A: If he got to playing 17 games, he'd have almost 4,000 yards.
[01:24:14] Speaker B: Russell's washed.
All right, guys, these are the matchups that matter. Lamar Jackson versus Miles Garrett. That's number one. Miles Garrett is just going to try and get as many sacks as he.
[01:24:24] Speaker A: Can, cuz hopefully Miles catch every time.
[01:24:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I hope so, too. He probably won't, though, because Lamar Jackson.
[01:24:29] Speaker A: Is arguably the really fast.
[01:24:31] Speaker B: He's probably the mvp, so I don't like our chances here.
And then number two, whoever the QB is that the Browns play, whoever he is, I don't know who's going to be the quarterback. Who knows? Hopefully Bailey's happy. Probably not. Probably be dtr. He's the worst ever.
Just pick. It doesn't matter. Their matchup with anybody, literally anybody on the field, because we haven't been able to move the ball for weeks.
Weeks.
[01:24:59] Speaker A: No. We only score once a game now. Either one touchdown or one field goal.
[01:25:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to say we don't even score touchdowns anymore. We just score field goals. That's all we get. It's just crap. Yes.
So those. Those are my matchups that matter. Quick. Quick and painful.
[01:25:18] Speaker A: That's how we did it this week.
[01:25:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:25:20] Speaker A: Quick and painful.
[01:25:23] Speaker B: So, in summary, the. The Ravens have an 11 and 5 record coming off a 31 to 2 win over the Texans, the same Texans team that just shit all over us in the playoffs last year. So there's that. They probably shit on us earlier this season. I don't know. I don't remember. There's a lot of bad losses. Are they in here?
[01:25:38] Speaker A: No.
[01:25:39] Speaker B: No, they're not in here.
[01:25:39] Speaker A: We didn't lose to him yet.
[01:25:41] Speaker B: I'll go down that list in a second, but the Ravens have officially taken sole possession of the division lead. But they also need to Beat the Browns to win the division. Because if they lose lose and the Steelers win for whatever reason that I don't know why. But the Steelers hold the. Hold the tiebreaker.
So the Ravens are going to be playing in this game.
[01:26:03] Speaker A: Has there ever been an easier win in your end?
[01:26:05] Speaker B: No.
Literally. No.
But yeah. So the, the Ravens, their defense is ranked 15 overall. But they do have the top rushing defense in the league. Only allowing like 80 yards a game.
And. But they do have a bottom three passing defense game. Good news for them. We don't have a passing offense at all. We throw for 130 yards a game maybe.
And then the Ravens offense, number one ranked offense in the league. So that's going to be a lot of fun.
The Cleveland Browns 3 and 13 coming off another loss, this time to the Dolphins. This is one of the worst feeling losses I can remember. And the Cowboys game was only 17 weeks ago. The Giants game was 15 weeks ago. The Raiders game was 14 weeks ago. The Commanders game was 13 weeks ago. The Eagles game was 12 weeks ago. The Bengals game, first Bengals game was 11 weeks ago. The Chargers game was nine weeks ago. The Saints game was seven weeks ago. The Broncos game was four weeks ago. The Steelers game was three weeks ago. The Chiefs game was two weeks ago. The other Bengals game was a week ago.
That's where we're at. That's how long it takes me to read the losses for the Cleveland Browns.
[01:27:06] Speaker A: Good list.
[01:27:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Feels real bad. The Browns are the worst. Let's see how high of a pick we can get. Go Browns. With that being said, it's time for both.
[01:27:16] Speaker A: Bone man. Skeleton key to victory. Ho ho.
[01:27:20] Speaker C: Well, I got a doozy for you guys today.
Every starter.
[01:27:32] Speaker B: Oh, proceed.
[01:27:35] Speaker C: I see. Well, all that can happen is every. Every player on the Ravens if they get hurt. Maybe if we play their backup.
[01:27:45] Speaker B: So that's it.
[01:27:47] Speaker C: Maybe we have a chance. And even then, I don't think we would win with DTR at quarterback because he can't throw the ball down the field. He can't see.
[01:27:54] Speaker B: Because whoever they have at backup quarterback has to be better than dtr.
[01:27:57] Speaker C: Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
They have everything to play for. We have nothing to play for. This team wants to be done with the season.
[01:28:05] Speaker B: Go Browns.
[01:28:06] Speaker C: Go Browns.
[01:28:08] Speaker A: Go Browns.
[01:28:09] Speaker B: Kenny, what's the betting info here?
[01:28:11] Speaker A: I'd give it to you, but you won't believe it even if I do.
[01:28:13] Speaker B: All right, I'm listening.
[01:28:15] Speaker A: What do you think the line is right now? Boys, this.
[01:28:18] Speaker B: Keep in mind, this is an NFL game. Anything above 7 is a lot.
[01:28:20] Speaker A: Keep in mind this.
[01:28:21] Speaker B: Anything above 6 is a lot, to be honest with you.
[01:28:24] Speaker A: So what do you think the line is?
[01:28:25] Speaker B: 14?
[01:28:27] Speaker A: 17 and a half.
[01:28:29] Speaker B: Holy hell.
[01:28:32] Speaker A: Over under is a 42 and a half.
That is a college line, by the way.
[01:28:39] Speaker B: God, that's wild. Players to watch. Oh, I'll go first. I'll go first. Bailey Zappy. Because if he plays, we still don't have a chance, but we'll at least entertain. We might be able to move the ball a little bit. Yeah, Bone. Player to watch.
[01:28:55] Speaker C: I'll take them. I'll take Miles.
[01:28:57] Speaker B: All right, Miles. Gary.
[01:28:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:28:58] Speaker C: Let's get some more sacks. Sacks on sacks.
[01:28:59] Speaker B: Sacks on sacks on sacks anyways, but sacks on sacks. Kenny, who's your player to watch? Because I know what's coming.
[01:29:08] Speaker A: Nobody. Don't watch this game, period. There's 17 and a half point, dog. Don't watch this game.
[01:29:12] Speaker B: You go through your spiel, the thing that you read.
[01:29:14] Speaker A: Don't watch. Nobody on this team is worth watching. They're the worst team in the history of the planet. They're really terrible.
[01:29:20] Speaker B: Go Browns.
[01:29:20] Speaker A: Go Browns.
[01:29:22] Speaker B: All right, well, let's get gassed up. Gu.
All right, so it's that time again, boys. Is there anything that we're getting gassed up about this week? I know you've got. You seem like you have a do. I just see it in your face. You've got a doozy this week, so I'm gonna wait. You're gonna.
[01:29:50] Speaker A: I'm so gassed up.
[01:29:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you're gonna wait. Bone, what are you gassed up about right now?
[01:29:54] Speaker C: All right. It's very minuscule, small, but that's okay. So I was off work for, like, five days over Christmas to NATO time.
[01:30:03] Speaker B: And now you're back to saving the world?
[01:30:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I come back to where I sit in the lunchroom and I put my bag down, and immediately it gets attacked by, like, five fruit flies. And this has been an ongoing issue. This has been an ongoing issue in this lunchroom. We've moved the trash cans out. We've done everything. Like, we don't leave food out, blah, blah, blah. And these fruit flies, man, there's UV light traps, you know, at night that we try to sticky them to or whatever, and they're just still there. And I don't know where the hell they're coming from.
[01:30:33] Speaker B: Someone's playing a really good prank on them. They just got, like, a piece of fruit up in the ceiling tiles or something.
[01:30:37] Speaker C: Like, at certain times of the year, like, usually in the summertime, Like, I'll get them at my house. I think they probably come.
[01:30:42] Speaker B: Everybody does come from the supermarket.
[01:30:44] Speaker C: Yeah, blah, blah, blah. They hatch in your house or in your. In your, your sink or whatever.
But I don't know where they're coming from. And they're pissing me off. And they're hard to catch. I try to kill them with my. My hands and.
[01:30:57] Speaker B: So small.
[01:30:58] Speaker C: Yeah, they're so small, but they're elusive. They know I'm after them.
[01:31:01] Speaker B: Well, it's cuz when you go to like, smack them, just the wind from your hand just blows them out of the way.
[01:31:06] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. But I hate fruit flies.
[01:31:08] Speaker A: You got to wax on, wax off them.
[01:31:10] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:31:11] Speaker B: You want me to wax them off?
[01:31:16] Speaker C: That's. That's just impressive. Actually.
[01:31:20] Speaker B: Fruit flies are pretty little.
[01:31:22] Speaker A: It's hard to whack off a fruit fly.
[01:31:24] Speaker B: I didn't say that. I said wax off. I don't know what you're talking about. But anyways, that's fair. I hate fruit flies. Bone. So I feel it.
[01:31:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:31:32] Speaker B: I can just feel like the disappointment of sitting down in the lunchroom and instantly have.
Feels bad. I'll go next. You guys ever thought about the word Q?
[01:31:42] Speaker C: I don't like it.
[01:31:43] Speaker B: Right. I don't like it either. Like, just Q. Like to. Like a Q. Like Q U, E, U, e. So stupid. Why does that make any sense? Why does. Why does U E U e make a U sound?
And why didn't they just. Why'd they have to add a second ue? Why isn't it just Q U, E?
[01:32:07] Speaker A: First off, time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
Second off, second off. Q is considered the only word in English language where if you remove the last four letters of the word, it's still the same pronunciation of the initial letter.
[01:32:29] Speaker B: All right. I just think it's a stupid word because. Why. Why do we. Why'd we do that?
[01:32:34] Speaker A: Q, U, E, U, E.
Why? I don't know why. It's probably Latin.
[01:32:41] Speaker B: It's probably stupid is what it is.
Like, this is America. We should just shorten that. Just drop the last ue, make a.
[01:32:48] Speaker A: Q U, E. That's qe. That's fair.
[01:32:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Like it, doesn't it?
[01:32:52] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:32:52] Speaker B: So qe am I? I'm the only one. You guys don't. You guys don't care about Q.
[01:32:56] Speaker A: Well, there is, but there is Q U, e and then there's Q U.
[01:32:59] Speaker B: E, U, Q. Yeah, see? Yeah. Why is there both, though?
[01:33:04] Speaker C: Is there?
[01:33:05] Speaker A: Because they have different meanings.
Q like Q? Q U E is like you're on, like, your Q. Like a Q card.
[01:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah. There's other words that are spelled the same but mean two different things, though.
[01:33:17] Speaker A: And then Q is like you're in a Q, Like a holding pattern or a cell or something. Ah.
[01:33:22] Speaker C: Like at. Like a. For a ride.
[01:33:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:33:24] Speaker B: All I know is that's not how you should spell it.
[01:33:27] Speaker A: Q U, E, U, E. I mean, yeah, you could just. You could just keep going, bro. Q, U, E, U, E, U, E.
[01:33:33] Speaker B: Like, are they all silent? They all just sound like you.
So it's Q.
[01:33:40] Speaker A: Just Q, stupid.
[01:33:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. There's the letter Q.
[01:33:43] Speaker A: That is stupid. I'm not disagreeing with you. Yeah. I was saying.
[01:33:46] Speaker B: I just saw it written out for the first time in a long time this week, and I was like, this is stupid. Why? Who thought of this? Who's the idiot that thought this was how we're gonna spell Q forever?
[01:33:56] Speaker A: That is stupid.
[01:33:57] Speaker B: What an idiot.
[01:33:59] Speaker C: Q from high school. He could have spelled his name this way.
[01:34:03] Speaker B: That's true. Yeah. It was just a big. It's just capital Q. Yeah. He should have been Q U, E, U, E, Q U, E, U, U, E. Yeah.
[01:34:10] Speaker A: I'm gonna name my next son Q. Q U E U E U E U E U E uey.
[01:34:14] Speaker B: You should call him Q E, though.
[01:34:15] Speaker C: Q E, Q Ball.
[01:34:17] Speaker B: Are you saying Kiwi? No, Kiwi.
[01:34:19] Speaker A: Kiwi.
[01:34:21] Speaker B: I don't know.
[01:34:22] Speaker C: Cubert.
[01:34:22] Speaker B: Kenny, what are you gassed up about?
[01:34:25] Speaker A: I'm still gassed up, boys, let's hear it.
Just some background.
I'm a professional doordasher. Not. I deliver.
[01:34:34] Speaker B: I was gonna say, you don't go.
[01:34:35] Speaker A: Anywhere, but, like, since doordash is been invented, I'm probably, like, their top customer.
[01:34:41] Speaker B: That's no exaggeration. This meal. This is every meal every day on Door Dash.
[01:34:46] Speaker A: No exaggeration at all. In fact, like, when I. When I get on Door Dash to complain, they always stop. Like, I get, like, the minute Door.
[01:34:53] Speaker B: Dash rolls out their own credit card. He's the first guy they're going after.
[01:34:56] Speaker A: I get transferred to a specialist of the specialist. Like, as soon as. Like, if you got on doordash, you were like, my prize didn't come. I want a refund. There would just be, like, a guy in, like, Somalia handling your thing. I get transferred to the VIP queue immediately. And they're like, Mr. You get to. Mr. Thunder, we are so grateful to talk to you today. We appreciate you for being one of our top and most.
[01:35:16] Speaker B: It's like a local rep. Like, he's from like just down the street.
[01:35:19] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like, they. They sent him to my house and he talks to me.
[01:35:21] Speaker C: I literally received my Christmas bonus because of you.
[01:35:24] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Like that's how much we use door dash. And so there's good and there's bad. That comes with door dash, Right.
[01:35:30] Speaker B: Can you divulge what your door dash bill was last year? Roughly.
[01:35:36] Speaker A: No.
Probably a third. Probably a third of my income.
[01:35:42] Speaker B: Oh, good God.
[01:35:44] Speaker A: So anyway, groceries.
[01:35:46] Speaker B: Never heard of them.
[01:35:46] Speaker A: Just so that's out there. I'm a professional door dasher. Last night on Sunday, the Browns were on. And I was like, you know what? Browns are on. It's late game. It's dinner time.
Fred at Ronnie's gas stuff right now.
[01:36:04] Speaker C: Ah, shoot.
[01:36:07] Speaker B: Our boardman fell asleep at the wheel.
[01:36:09] Speaker A: That's right. We're good. We got one out of three.
[01:36:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fair.
[01:36:13] Speaker A: Sorry we didn't have our placard up on our screen.
So anyways, I'm like, it's a late game, it's dinner time. I'm gonna order a nice spread of Italian food pizza.
[01:36:24] Speaker B: Please just go through your order real quick. I love hearing your orders.
[01:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah, so it was a large pizza and a.
[01:36:30] Speaker B: Who's eating this? You and your wife?
[01:36:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:36:33] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead.
[01:36:34] Speaker A: Large, large pizza.
A pepperoni. Like it's like a calzone or pepperoni roll. You know, one of those guys. I got some Jojo's, some mozzarella sticks, some fried raviolis. Like, this wasn't like an amateur order, right? Like, this was like, he's a professional door dasher, people. Door dasher. The. The bill was $50, essentially $50 before I tipped the door dash driver.
[01:36:57] Speaker B: Dang, that's a good deal for all that stuff.
[01:36:59] Speaker A: Whatever. But still, it gets us. It was still a sizable order, like for a pizza place. Right. I didn't just order one pizza, you know.
[01:37:05] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely.
[01:37:05] Speaker A: The pizza shop was making their money.
[01:37:07] Speaker B: Ordered half the restaurant.
[01:37:08] Speaker A: And I don't like to like call out names necessarily here, but like, I'm gonna do it because I'm still guessed about this. This was Euro gyro, the local one here.
[01:37:14] Speaker B: Well, there's your first mistake.
[01:37:15] Speaker A: But go on. Well, I was like sick of like, like all the chains. The Marcos and Apa J. Just wanted like a fresherly made pizza, but that's beside the point. Anyway, no way.
[01:37:27] Speaker B: There's been a hook and ladder to perfection.
[01:37:29] Speaker A: The Lions are really good trick plays.
[01:37:31] Speaker B: Sorry, go on.
[01:37:32] Speaker A: So I have a sizable pizza order.
And you know, I knew I was getting like pizza, bread and stuff. So I wanted some marinara sauces. Yeah, I look all throughout their online menu and nowhere can I just buy like an extra marinara sauce for 30 cents, 50 cents, whatever. Just not on the menu. Yeah, you can order all the other condiments. Ranch dressing, gyro sauce, ketchup, you know, honey mustard, barbecue, whatever. All those things, things are there missing is marinara sauce.
So I'm a little frustrated by this because I can't just purchase the marinara.
[01:38:06] Speaker B: But you guys just got, you have buckets of marinara sauce here.
[01:38:09] Speaker A: You have marinaras on every everything in the store and I can't order marinara sauce. DoorDash has recently introduced a new feature because if you use door dash at all and you place an order when it first started, let's say you wanted your cheeseburger with without lettuce. There used to be a comment section you could just put make this without lettuce. All the stores basically outside the Chinese restaurants have shut them off because they don't want to deal with the special orders and they don't want to get one wrong and all this stuff. So they just shut off the comments altogether. DoorDash has officially added now as a new component, a place where you can request utensils, condiments, you know, extra things that like, you might just want to pass along with your order. And I put in there that I would like a few extra marinara sauces because I've ordered several things that you dip in marinara sauce.
[01:38:58] Speaker B: Fair.
[01:39:01] Speaker A: My door dasher texts me, messages me on the door dash app. I'm really sorry. When I got to the pizza store, they said you didn't purchase marinara sauce, so they can't give you marinara sauce.
I couldn't purchase the marinara sauce because it wasn't on the goddamn menu. If it were on the menu, I would have gladly paid 3, 5, 6, $10, whatever it cost for extra marinara sauce.
[01:39:29] Speaker B: This is how bad he wanted marinara sauce.
[01:39:30] Speaker A: It wasn't on the menu.
So he says, she says, you can't have it because you didn't purchase it. No shit, I didn't purchase it. It's not on the menu. Is this stuff made of gold? How much does it cost to pay pizza place to give you a side of marinara sauce? What? What do they even sell them for a quarter?
Like probably I spent $50. You can't spot me 50 cents in marinara sauce overhead, like, again, this wasn't an amateur 12 order.
[01:40:00] Speaker B: There's a 50 like at that point that's just like spillage.
[01:40:03] Speaker A: Like yeah, like you spot me a couple. And so they even like, like on my receipt there's like a like a X. It's like denied.
[01:40:13] Speaker D: Oh my God.
[01:40:14] Speaker A: On my receipt when I got it, they just, just so you know this isn't in the order. And so I was, they went through.
[01:40:21] Speaker B: The trouble like, absolutely not.
[01:40:23] Speaker A: They went, they were like, no, this guy wants extra sauce, which ain't happening.
[01:40:27] Speaker B: Which location of Eurogyro was this?
[01:40:29] Speaker A: Ah, this is Elliot area off Magador Road. Yeah. So I was so gassed up last night that I called the location. I said to the lady picks up the phone because he said it was a lady, that he talked to the guy's food. So I assume, I'm assuming it was the same lady. And I just let her know, I just said I placed a door dash order. It was a sizable order. It was just picked up. And just want you to know like I asked for some extra marinara sauce.
I asked for it because it's not on your menu to purchase. Well, the response I received back from doordash was you didn't purchase marinara sauce so you can't have any. And I told her, I said, you know what, that's not only rude, it's stupid.
And then I hung up the phone.
[01:41:11] Speaker B: I like how you didn't even wait for a response, like for them to make it right. You're like, no, no, cuz what, what.
[01:41:15] Speaker A: Was she going to do at that point? She going to drive me two marinara sauces and be like, really sucks?
[01:41:19] Speaker B: No, but what if she would have given you a free pizza next time her.
[01:41:21] Speaker A: No, I'm done with that.
[01:41:23] Speaker B: Man. You gassed up stupid and rude.
[01:41:25] Speaker A: If it's not on the menu, I can't order it.
[01:41:28] Speaker B: Fair.
[01:41:29] Speaker A: And that's what I told her. I was like, just so you know, it's not on your menu, so. Yeah, so how would you expect me to order it?
How can I order something that doesn't exist?
[01:41:39] Speaker B: Did she even like give like she started and.
[01:41:42] Speaker A: But the thing is is I heard that there was going to be a smart ass comment right at like she was like.
And I heard that, I heard the pitch in her voice and I was just like, I ain't even, I ain't even dealing with you. I just want you to know that it was rude and stupid of you to deny my request for if I.
[01:41:55] Speaker B: Was there, I would have thrown the.
[01:41:56] Speaker A: Phone at your head for a plastic thing of marinara sauce. Yeah, nice From a pizza place.
[01:42:01] Speaker C: Nice.
[01:42:02] Speaker B: So how did all your food taste without marinara?
[01:42:03] Speaker A: It was great.
So I got like a couple marinara. Like the. Like the Marin. Not the mozzarella sticks that come with the marinara and the raviolis did, but I just wouldn't have enough, you know?
[01:42:12] Speaker B: Did that take away from your gassed up Edness?
[01:42:14] Speaker A: No, I was serious. I'm still super pissed. I'm still gassed up.
[01:42:18] Speaker B: Are you gonna go back?
[01:42:20] Speaker A: No. And I'm gonna leave a one star review everywhere I can. And I'm gonna place the story out there so people know that their marinara sauce is apparently. Apparently really hard to get.
[01:42:28] Speaker B: It's hard to come by.
[01:42:28] Speaker A: If you want marina, you can't order it on the menu, and they certainly won't give you any. Yeah, I mean, that seems like a fair place to put that request, right? It's called utensils and condiments. I would assume a condiment at a pizza place is marinara sauce.
[01:42:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:42:42] Speaker A: You know?
[01:42:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:42:44] Speaker A: No, I just don't know how, like, how else would I. How else would I. Could I have proactively gone about that? Should I have purchased six ranch dips and then called the store and been like, hey, I purchased six ranch cups, but I don't want a ranch. I'd like six marinara sauces.
[01:42:59] Speaker C: That seems confusing.
[01:43:00] Speaker B: Yeah, that seems odd. Does the store offer delivery?
[01:43:05] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. They should. They show up on the doordash, so I don't look, I don't. I don't. With local independent contractors like that. You either are on doordash or you're not getting my business. All right, that's the thing.
[01:43:17] Speaker B: That's fair. Yeah.
[01:43:18] Speaker A: I'm a professional.
[01:43:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:43:20] Speaker A: I don't. With uber eats. I don't. Local grubhub, door dash.
[01:43:24] Speaker B: Real quick. While we were going through this and you were. You were gassed up about mar.
I was watching. They went through a whole montage of the Detroit lions trick plays this year.
[01:43:35] Speaker A: They've done a lot of them. I said that.
[01:43:38] Speaker B: Can somebody get them in touch with Kevin Stefan ski Stefanic? Because that dude doesn't know how to run a trick play to save his life. No, he runs the worst ones. They're so bad.
[01:43:49] Speaker A: The lions run plays to offensive linemen. And they work.
[01:43:52] Speaker B: They always work. They literally. It took like four minutes for them to go through the full montage.
[01:43:57] Speaker A: And they don't just run, like the pop pass either. They legitimate passes.
[01:44:01] Speaker B: It was like. It was like flea flickers. Too. There was flea flickers. Multiple. Multiple hook and ladders this year. Like, what the hell?
[01:44:08] Speaker A: Getting one thing.
[01:44:10] Speaker B: You. I didn't get marinara sauce with this.
[01:44:12] Speaker A: That's true. You're forgetting one thing.
[01:44:14] Speaker B: What?
[01:44:14] Speaker A: The Detroit Lions are 13 and 2.
[01:44:16] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:44:17] Speaker A: They like winning football games.
[01:44:19] Speaker B: They're a real football team.
[01:44:20] Speaker A: We don't like to win football.
[01:44:21] Speaker B: No, we.
[01:44:22] Speaker A: We have a winning.
[01:44:23] Speaker B: Never heard of her.
[01:44:24] Speaker A: We have a lot of other priorities.
[01:44:25] Speaker B: Never heard of her.
[01:44:26] Speaker C: They have. Don't. They have John Dorsey.
[01:44:31] Speaker B: We got the wrong Dorsey.
[01:44:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:44:33] Speaker A: We had the right one. We did him out of town, too.
[01:44:35] Speaker B: We do that with people.
[01:44:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:44:36] Speaker B: Quarterbacks.
[01:44:37] Speaker A: You finally get it right and you still get it wrong.
[01:44:39] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know.
[01:44:40] Speaker A: That's what we do.
[01:44:41] Speaker B: Let's all take a quick cleansing breath.
[01:44:44] Speaker A: Nothing will cleanse.
[01:44:45] Speaker B: One more.
[01:44:45] Speaker A: No, I'm still mad.
[01:44:46] Speaker B: We're gonna have to do three then.
[01:44:47] Speaker A: Still mad.
[01:44:48] Speaker B: You got to do it with us at least a little better.
Okay.
[01:44:58] Speaker A: That girl's still.
[01:44:59] Speaker B: One more.
Whoa. It's a burger Throw down hoedown.
Nice bone. What?
[01:45:36] Speaker A: You.
[01:45:37] Speaker B: What were. What were your moves over there?
[01:45:38] Speaker C: Very simple. I was trying not to overextend myself.
[01:45:41] Speaker B: He's.
[01:45:42] Speaker A: He's very tired from being out bones.
[01:45:44] Speaker B: Falling asleep.
Let's get into the King of the North.
[01:45:48] Speaker A: Let's not.
[01:45:57] Speaker B: Kenny, I know you're so excited because we're down to the wire. There's only two games left to pick for King of the North.
[01:46:03] Speaker A: I'm quitting the podcast.
[01:46:04] Speaker B: But before we get into those, in case anyone doesn't know know by now, yes, we're doing this again. This is our year long AFC north pick'em competition at the end of the season. Whoever comes in last place gets punished. In the preseason last year, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown on him by fans in the meeting lot before a game. In the preseason this year, Kenny had his entire head of hair and beard shaved clean off. Punishment this season will be you have to go to a public pool, get in the pool, and then publicly announce that you have peed in said pool. And in case there are any legal ramifications from this, the secondary punishment would be you have to eat as many hot dogs as you can until you throw up.
Childish, maybe.
I don't care.
[01:46:44] Speaker A: My mom is so confused why we have these punishments. She's like, that's really stupid. And. And don't. Like, why wouldn't you choose, like, a better punishment? And I was like, like what? And she couldn't really come up with one.
[01:46:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:46:57] Speaker A: I was like. I was like, it's supposed to be a punishment. She's like, why don't you go volunteer, like, the homeless shelter? I was like, that doesn't sound like a punishment. That's, like, just doing good deeds. I was like, it's supposed to be something bad happens to you.
[01:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah, like, that would. That would encourage tanking.
We aren't the Browns.
[01:47:16] Speaker A: Like, you don't get it.
[01:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah, we're not the Browns. But anyways, Kenny, are you getting excited? There's only two games left. You got to pick opposite me this week, and you know I'm picking the.
[01:47:23] Speaker A: Browns to lose, so I quit the podcast.
[01:47:26] Speaker B: All right. But anyways, let's get into things. First things first, I want to remind everybody that Bone is the reigning defending K of the North. Bone, why don't you put your crown on right now?
[01:47:36] Speaker A: I just tried put it on and took it off.
[01:47:37] Speaker C: It doesn't work.
[01:47:39] Speaker A: The heads. The heads.
[01:47:40] Speaker C: The headphones are too large.
[01:47:42] Speaker B: The headphones are too large.
The reason I'm telling you to put on the crown, though, is because it is official. Bone will be crowned King of the north again. He can't officially be crowned until the season's over, but true. He won.
[01:47:56] Speaker A: He did win.
[01:47:57] Speaker B: I'll say it again. He hasn't lost a game in, like, six weeks, so it's kind. Kind of hard to catch him.
[01:48:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I should really put money on games. I never bet before.
[01:48:05] Speaker B: Yeah, this is. This was an impressive stretch. I think this is even more impressive than last year because I think last year, like, me and you were pretty close throughout the whole. He sucks. But me and you were pretty close throughout the whole season. You pulled away at the end.
[01:48:17] Speaker C: And last year, I don't think we knew our punishment yet either, so it wasn't as, like, daunting. I feel like. Yeah, sorry, Kenny.
[01:48:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like next year we have to do.
We need to take, like, $500 and give it to the winner to donate to a charity of their choice?
[01:48:34] Speaker B: I'm in. I'm good with that. We all split it evenly.
[01:48:36] Speaker C: Ah, no punishment.
[01:48:38] Speaker B: What?
[01:48:39] Speaker A: We all split it evenly. No, the winner gets $500.
[01:48:42] Speaker B: Like. Oh, you mean from tap, like, out of our revenue. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I thought we were just, like, throwing in money in a pot, and then.
[01:48:50] Speaker A: We'Re going to make a donation on behalf of tapping media.
[01:48:53] Speaker B: And no, Bones, the loser still gets punished. What are you nuts?
[01:48:56] Speaker A: Based on a charity that the. Whoever wins.
[01:48:59] Speaker B: Here's a fun thing. We have some. We have some celebrity guests that may be joining us next year. We're not ready to announce that yet, but.
[01:49:04] Speaker A: But maybe we can get them to even donate into the pot.
[01:49:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
Anyways, Bone will be king again. Kenny, you're a clown. Let's remind everybody of the current records. After week 17, Bone is at 35 and 19. I am at 30 and 24. And Kenny is at 28 and 26. Let's get into this week's games. Just two of them. Just two games. This week, Cincinnati heads to Pittsburgh to try to do the unthinkable and make the playoffs after their abysmal start to the season. And it could have come at a better time because the Steelers have been spiraling for a few weeks now. So I'll go ahead and pick first.
[01:49:44] Speaker A: Thanks.
[01:49:46] Speaker B: I. I am going with Cincinnati in this one. I think they get the win. I think that they still miss the playoffs because I believe one of the other.
One of the other games, like, the team that they need to lose is, like, almost as much of a lock as the Browns are to lose, like, it's. It's just not going to go that way. So. But I think that the Bengals win this game and make it interesting and. Yeah, I got the Bengals.
Kenny, who do you got?
[01:50:13] Speaker A: I guess I got the Steelers because I have to.
I don't feel good about that pick at all.
Cincinnati has a lot to play for. Pittsburgh is going to know whether or not the Browns won or lost against the Ravens by the time they play. So if the Ravens win, there's really no incentive for Pittsburgh to try to win.
[01:50:35] Speaker B: Yeah, sure.
[01:50:37] Speaker A: So that's. That's. I'm going with Go Steelers.
[01:50:41] Speaker B: Bone, who you got?
[01:50:42] Speaker C: I will also go Cincinnati. You guys made some excellent points.
[01:50:47] Speaker B: He's like, I don't even care who I pick at this point.
[01:50:50] Speaker C: Joe Burrows playing, playing well. He's got a couple good receivers he throws ball to.
[01:50:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, he does. And then the Browns will be in Baltimore taking on the Ravens. They got no chance. Ravens win this one, 34 to 6.
Kenny, who you got?
[01:51:05] Speaker A: Well, since the spread is only 17 and a half points, I'll go Browns.
Let's call it 20 to 18. We win.
[01:51:17] Speaker B: You think we're scoring 20 points against this team?
[01:51:20] Speaker A: We win on a missed Justin Tucker field goal from long range at the.
[01:51:23] Speaker C: End of the dtr gets hurt. Bailey Zappy gets hurt. Jameis comes in second half.
[01:51:27] Speaker B: That's, like your only chance. That's like your only chance there. But who you got?
[01:51:32] Speaker C: Ravens.
We will go 38 to 10.
[01:51:43] Speaker A: You're wrong.
[01:51:45] Speaker B: And so there you have it. Kenny, how do you feel about potentially, you know, if you tie me, you win. You beat me because you have the tie. Our Browns record actually has ended up the same at the end of the season. Yeah, but you picked a score, right? This year. The only one that picked a score. Right. All year long. So if we tie, you win.
[01:52:07] Speaker A: I was counting on Denver to win that game and then I would have not been in last place.
[01:52:10] Speaker B: Are you feeling good right now?
[01:52:11] Speaker A: You would have been.
[01:52:12] Speaker B: Are you feeling good though?
[01:52:13] Speaker A: Fucking bo Nicks.
[01:52:16] Speaker B: So no, you're not feeling good. All right. Let me remind everybody to call the Burger Sportscats.
Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take outlines. We have hot lines, multiple lines.
[01:52:27] Speaker A: There's only one.
[01:52:28] Speaker B: We had some pretty hot takes this week. A lot of F bombs were dropped and we like that. So keep those coming. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
[01:52:38] Speaker A: Hot takes.
[01:52:39] Speaker B: 3302-2780-8033-0227-808-0330 2278-0803-3032-0308-0330 operators are no operation operator.
[01:52:52] Speaker A: Nobody there. It's a voicemail.
[01:52:53] Speaker B: So deflated now.
[01:52:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a lot easier to call him than you think. You don't have to just talk.
[01:52:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true.
[01:53:00] Speaker A: It's not hard.
[01:53:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And be sure to check out our gear. Www.thetabitmedia.com back shop it's like Ronnie, it's never hard.
[01:53:06] Speaker C: Softy.
[01:53:08] Speaker B: I had to be at least twice.
But anyways that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect next week?
[01:53:17] Speaker A: You can waggle a fruit fly.
[01:53:21] Speaker B: That's what we could expect next week.
[01:53:24] Speaker A: We're gonna be live Sunday covering the final loss. Ah really be on YouTube, Facebook and X recapping the Week 18 disaster against the Ravens should be around 8:00 next Thursday. We will follow up with our end of season recap and hopefully they have selected the Browns backers chance chapter of the year by that point so we can get them on for a quick conversation and a congratulations to them.
[01:53:51] Speaker B: And I'm not sure when that it might. It might be another week before they announce that but either way at some.
[01:53:56] Speaker A: Point we will get in touch. We'll get them on chapter of the year.
[01:53:59] Speaker B: Yeah and check us out on social media. Tabit Media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at the Tab and media on Burning River Sportscast is on face that's this podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, tik tok and YouTube at Burning River Sportscast, we are on X at Burning River Repod. While you're at it, check out our podcast wherever you get your podcasts. I'm talking Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora, iHeartRadio podcast, Castro Good Pods where we are number one ranked football podcast and so many more. Do you know where that takes us to, Kenny?
[01:54:27] Speaker A: Facts for days.
[01:54:28] Speaker B: Facts for days.
All right, Katie, what do you got for us?
[01:54:45] Speaker A: I got the facts.
[01:54:47] Speaker B: You better get turned the up for this because this is facts for days.
Number one, I don't like your attitude right now.
[01:54:58] Speaker A: Whales.
[01:55:00] Speaker B: No way. Oh, boy. It's whale facts.
No way. Whales no way.
[01:55:09] Speaker A: Used to walk on land.
[01:55:10] Speaker B: No.
[01:55:11] Speaker A: Some of the earliest descendants of the modern whale looked nothing like the majestic mammals we know today. They walked on four legs and hunted both small land animals and freshwater fish. Known as Pakicetus, this animal eventually evolved to cope with their changing environment.
[01:55:25] Speaker B: No.
[01:55:26] Speaker A: Imagine a bigger whale with feet.
[01:55:28] Speaker B: It's called a dinosaur.
[01:55:29] Speaker C: Feet whale.
[01:55:30] Speaker B: It's literally called a feet whale.
That's.
[01:55:36] Speaker A: That's a good thought.
[01:55:37] Speaker B: I this a whale walking. Come on.
[01:55:41] Speaker A: It's wild, isn't it?
[01:55:42] Speaker B: It's literally dinosaurs though, I guess.
[01:55:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:55:44] Speaker C: I feel like it's just a different animal.
[01:55:46] Speaker B: That's not a whale whale. You're just making out that ain't a whale.
[01:55:50] Speaker A: Whale number two.
[01:55:52] Speaker B: Number two.
[01:55:53] Speaker A: That's where the real facts ends for us.
[01:55:55] Speaker B: That's all you had for us.
[01:55:57] Speaker A: I have of their animal facts, though.
[01:55:59] Speaker B: Come on.
[01:56:00] Speaker A: I tricked you with the.
[01:56:01] Speaker B: Now. Now you know how you just felt a little bit ago. Where you turn. That's how we feel.
[01:56:05] Speaker A: This is a good one, though. Get ready.
[01:56:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:56:08] Speaker A: A zebra's coat. Zebra's coat can be used as a barcode.
Since 2011, teams of researchers no longer track wild zebras with RFID chips. They've developed instead a system called Strike Spotter, in which they're able to isolate a portion of a zebra photograph. It cut it up into horizontal bands, and each pixel in the selected portion is converted into a black or white that is eventually like a barcode. That's that they can use to identify wild zebras. This information is stored in the database where researchers can use to identify the animals without having to approach them directly.
[01:56:47] Speaker B: What?
[01:56:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:56:49] Speaker C: That's rad.
[01:56:49] Speaker A: It's like a snowflake.
It's like a snowflake.
[01:56:54] Speaker B: It's like A snowflake.
[01:56:55] Speaker A: Every zebra code is different.
[01:56:57] Speaker B: Why is it like a snowflake?
Nice.
I thought you were gonna go with the zebra skin is also striped. But you didn't.
[01:57:08] Speaker A: I didn't? No.
[01:57:11] Speaker B: That might just be a tiger.
[01:57:12] Speaker A: I don't know.
I went with the fact that their code is a barcode.
[01:57:15] Speaker B: That was. That was a good fact. That's one. It's impressive.
[01:57:18] Speaker A: Number three.
[01:57:19] Speaker B: Let's hear it.
[01:57:20] Speaker A: In case you needed a reason to go vegan at the start of the year.
[01:57:26] Speaker B: Okay, cows. Okay.
Can they be a barcode too?
[01:57:32] Speaker A: Maybe they're.
[01:57:33] Speaker B: They're black and white.
[01:57:34] Speaker A: Scientists don't use them like that.
[01:57:36] Speaker B: Oh, all right.
[01:57:36] Speaker A: And not all cows are black and white. Just dairies.
[01:57:39] Speaker B: Okay, that's what I meant.
[01:57:40] Speaker A: Cows form close friendships. Cows are not only large, placid animals that dot the countryside, they are very intelligent creatures that prefer the company of their best friends. Recent studies show cows that were penned for 30 minute intervals, first with a best friend and then again with a cow they did not know.
During both interviews intervals, the heart rates of the cows were measured. The results showed that when a cow was penned with a friend, their heart rates were low, indicating less stress. The study also proved that cows have a level of personality and an urge to form a connection with others. Others.
[01:58:21] Speaker C: Wow.
It's intimate.
[01:58:24] Speaker B: That's intimate.
[01:58:26] Speaker A: Bonus fact.
[01:58:28] Speaker B: Hold on. I'm wrapping my head around this still. Give me a second.
This makes me sad for cows.
[01:58:34] Speaker A: I kind of felt the same way. We just had some great wagyu steaks the other night, and I was like, God, this is. There's just so beautiful. And then I read this and I was like, man feels bad.
[01:58:47] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:58:47] Speaker A: Very social animals.
[01:58:48] Speaker B: I can't ever tell my wife that we won't ever eat another hamburger.
[01:58:53] Speaker A: Very social.
[01:58:54] Speaker B: Incredible.
[01:58:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:58:57] Speaker B: Bonus fact.
[01:58:58] Speaker A: Bonus fact. As if crocodiles weren't terrifying enough, a couple of things. One, they sleep with their mouths open. Most people think it's because they're waiting to attack.
They're actually releasing heat because they do not sweat.
Of course, they can also sleep with one eye open and they can hold their breath underwater for more than an hour.
But most surprising of all, recent studies confirm crocodiles, many different species types. Crocodiles can gallop.
[01:59:31] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:59:32] Speaker A: Like a horse.
[01:59:33] Speaker B: Wait.
[01:59:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:59:35] Speaker C: They're fast.
[01:59:35] Speaker A: They get after you.
[01:59:37] Speaker B: Wait, I've seen. We've seen alligators run when we lived in Florida.
[01:59:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:59:40] Speaker B: And they're pretty quick of crazy, but they're pretty quick. They're a lot quicker than most people think they are.
[01:59:44] Speaker A: But Crocodiles actually have good straight line speed because they can gallop.
[01:59:49] Speaker C: Interesting.
[01:59:51] Speaker A: These include the African dwarf crocodile, the African slender snowy crocodile, the Philippine crocodile, and the American crocodile.
[01:59:57] Speaker B: Don't with them ones.
[01:59:59] Speaker A: All of them have confirmed to bound and gallop.
[02:00:02] Speaker B: Those guys will give you the business as gangster.
[02:00:04] Speaker A: So don't the alligators or crocodiles or alligators. No, any of those things are bad. Unless you're the Gator Boys. Those guys are cool.
[02:00:13] Speaker B: We're the Burning River Boys.
[02:00:15] Speaker A: We're the border. We're the Burning River Sports cats.
[02:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah, all of the above.
[02:00:20] Speaker A: That, my friends, is facts for days.
[02:00:23] Speaker B: You know, when you went away from whale facts, I was pretty turned down.
[02:00:25] Speaker C: But you really spit off some other.
[02:00:28] Speaker B: Yeah, those were some good ones. So the barcode one got me. The fact that cows have friends, that's sad.
[02:00:35] Speaker A: Feels bad.
[02:00:36] Speaker B: Especially because you can't just like breed that out of them so that you can raise cattle for slaughter and.
[02:00:40] Speaker A: No, cuz you got to raise cows to a certain age before you can slaughter them anyway. So you. They're developing friendships that whole time.
[02:00:47] Speaker B: Thank you.
[02:00:47] Speaker A: And then all of a sudden, Mikey's gone from the field and they're like, where's Mikey? And they'll never see him again cuz he's on my plate and my freezer.
[02:00:57] Speaker B: Isn't it crazy?
[02:00:58] Speaker A: Red hot Running Jams is a vegan now.
[02:01:00] Speaker B: I'm not. I just love hamburgers too much.
Then he got me these crocodiles galloping like. That's why I'm zoning out right now. I'm just a picturing a crocodile galloping just down the riverbank, just racing a horse.
Why don't we have crocodile races?
[02:01:17] Speaker A: We probably should. Like, can we start that million dollar idea.
[02:01:20] Speaker B: Burning River Boys. Burning River Boys.
[02:01:22] Speaker A: River sports cats. Crocodile races.
[02:01:25] Speaker B: You in?
[02:01:26] Speaker C: Hey, what's the. Yeah. Betting.
[02:01:28] Speaker A: Betting?
[02:01:29] Speaker B: Yeah, betting.
[02:01:29] Speaker A: Oh, it's been all about gambling ever since he realized how good he was at King of the North. He's like, I.
[02:01:34] Speaker B: He's like, I've never been a gambler.
[02:01:38] Speaker A: You know, I'm in my 30s now. There's not a lot of time left to waste.
[02:01:41] Speaker C: Call your bookie.
[02:01:42] Speaker A: I better get a gambling addiction.
Yeah, Bones primed for an addiction like that. Cuz he's just too nice a guy. He needs something to, like, destroys his life for a while.
[02:01:50] Speaker B: Listen, let's. Let's just get into this real quick. Bone is the guy that literally, to this day, my wife is like, oh, we all loved Bone growing up.
[02:01:58] Speaker A: My wife says it's not growing up but she's just like. He's just the nicest guy.
[02:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. He's always been that. Like, everybody.
[02:02:03] Speaker A: Every girl in our school's so nice.
[02:02:06] Speaker B: Every girl in our school loved the bone, man.
[02:02:10] Speaker A: Just.
[02:02:10] Speaker B: He's only got a bone at some point or another. Every girl in our school had a crush on him.
[02:02:14] Speaker A: He's only got a bone for one, though.
[02:02:16] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't know.
[02:02:19] Speaker A: You don't know if you only have.
[02:02:20] Speaker B: A bone for one.
[02:02:24] Speaker A: Yep.
[02:02:24] Speaker C: I should have taken advantage of that. I was.
[02:02:26] Speaker A: That was a little.
[02:02:27] Speaker C: I was a little too shy.
[02:02:29] Speaker A: Well, it's okay. He met his fellow.
[02:02:34] Speaker B: That's for each man to decide for himself.
[02:02:36] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, look at the guy. He's. He's the top 10 crossfitter in the country world. In the world.
[02:02:41] Speaker C: Not true.
[02:02:42] Speaker A: He's involved in his church. He does youth groups for, like, children and, like, Bible studies.
[02:02:46] Speaker C: I haven't done that in a couple years.
[02:02:48] Speaker B: He's a rock star dad.
Generous lover.
[02:02:54] Speaker A: So generous. Keeps a manicured lawn.
[02:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
In more ways than one.
[02:03:01] Speaker A: Projects all around the house all the time.
[02:03:03] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[02:03:04] Speaker C: Are you guys waiting for me to sign off or something?
[02:03:06] Speaker B: Because I don't know, I just really got into just this. This bone love fest.
[02:03:10] Speaker C: It's like most nights when I say I'm tired, it's like I am tired, but I haven't been to bed in 40 hours.
So I will say, but. Bone appetite. Good night, my friends.
[02:03:19] Speaker A: We'll let Bone grow to bed so he can go back to being a stellar dad and husband.
[02:03:22] Speaker B: Let's keeping bone up. But that's got to be what Part of the problem.
[02:03:26] Speaker A: Don't be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:03:30] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning river sports.
[02:03:36] Speaker A: Burning river.
[02:03:37] Speaker B: River sports.
[02:03:42] Speaker A: The whole world in my hand.
[02:03:46] Speaker B: I got the whole world in my.
[02:03:50] Speaker A: Hand I got the whole world in my hand.
[02:03:56] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:03:59] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[02:04:00] Speaker C: Good night, Akron.
[02:04:02] Speaker B: Question mark, Question mark. Quiet on set.
[02:04:05] Speaker A: I now have two clubs in my life.
[02:04:09] Speaker B: Big City Living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:04:18] Speaker A: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[02:04:22] Speaker B: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[02:04:24] Speaker A: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[02:04:27] Speaker B: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up, because it's not time for the hokey Pokey. It's time for the Burning River Sports. Ca.
[02:04:37] Speaker A: Motorboat. You play the motorbo.
[02:04:41] Speaker B: You motorboat.
[02:04:42] Speaker A: Son of a.
[02:04:43] Speaker B: You old seal.
[02:04:43] Speaker C: Are you.
[02:04:44] Speaker A: You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:04:45] Speaker B: What? What were you? Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[02:04:50] Speaker A: Wow. My name is Uhtred. Son of Uhtred, by the way.
[02:04:54] Speaker B: I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter.
[02:04:57] Speaker A: Women's Guide to. To Anal Sex, and it was the second edition. Who makes that second edition?
[02:05:03] Speaker C: The weather outside is weather.
[02:05:06] Speaker B: The other one. The finger. The finger eating food. Fingers. Oh, my God, My ass is full of she. Everywhere.
[02:05:14] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:05:14] Speaker A: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:05:17] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:05:17] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[02:05:19] Speaker A: We suck again.
[02:05:20] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:05:23] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[02:05:24] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[02:05:25] Speaker C: That's right.
[02:05:26] Speaker B: Touchdown. Anyway, what do you mean, funny?
[02:05:28] Speaker A: Funny how? How am I funny?
[02:05:29] Speaker B: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[02:05:32] Speaker A: Timber.
[02:05:33] Speaker B: God damn cat. Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like, Like. Like the meat pod slow roasted?
[02:05:43] Speaker A: The leads are weak. The leads are weak.
[02:05:47] Speaker D: Leads are weak.
[02:05:48] Speaker A: You're weak. Then we should send a team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that, when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[02:05:58] Speaker B: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. Oh, Lord. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground. Wow. But damn.
[02:06:09] Speaker A: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
You know why, Mr. Cuz? You drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:06:19] Speaker B: I drove an $80,000 BMW.
[02:06:21] Speaker A: That's my name.
[02:06:23] Speaker B: I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:06:30] Speaker C: This is this Mother Nature.
[02:06:32] Speaker B: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:06:34] Speaker A: Where's Logo girl when you need her?
[02:06:35] Speaker B: I desperately want to make love to this cheese.
[02:06:37] Speaker A: We need cheese girl now. Down goes Anderson.
[02:06:41] Speaker B: Down goes Anderson.
[02:06:43] Speaker A: Who's canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[02:06:46] Speaker B: Probably me.
[02:06:46] Speaker A: You making it for the fat people?
[02:06:49] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[02:06:51] Speaker A: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:06:54] Speaker B: No way. You just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:07:00] Speaker C: You first get shocked, and then you get the shocker.
[02:07:05] Speaker A: You like to see almost naked.
[02:07:07] Speaker B: That's cool, man.
[02:07:07] Speaker A: Whatever. No, no, no, no, no.
[02:07:09] Speaker B: Most people like they're driving along and they're like in between meals, they're like, I'm a little hungry, I'm gonna have a granola bar. And it's like I need a cheeseburger.
Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained?
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