Episode Transcript
[00:00:25] Speaker A: Sportscast tale as old as time song as old as rhyme the playoffs have begun with the Browns already in full offseason mode. No one hires like the Browns. No one fires like the Browns. No one's quite as incompetent as the Browns. Mike Prefer is still employed, and the search for the next defensive coordinator is ongoing. Super Wild Card Weekend was in full effect, sans Cleveland Browns. Not a ton of surprises here, but there was something there that wasn't there before. Who were the big winners and losers of round one in the NFL playoffs?
[00:00:57] Speaker B: We'll break it all down for you.
[00:00:58] Speaker A: Next on the Burning river sportscast. So the first thing that would happen is you'd be totally vaporized.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: This is one of those situations where all these old heads that people that don't want the game to change at all, whatever, they want to sit in their seat, eat their cracker Jacks.
[00:01:12] Speaker A: But maybe Andrew Berry is King George. Who knows? What if Stefanik is just Prince Harry? I was going to do a funny thing with the bottle, but you turned it off.
[00:01:20] Speaker B: I'll probably get a lot of shit for this. Baseball's not that exciting.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: I think Taylor Hicks is still alive.
Modernization isn't trying to offer craft beers to hipsters.
[00:01:33] Speaker B: It's calling me a hipster. We're starting to really check the things off. I got long hair. I'm wearing a beanie today. I drink craft.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: You smell funny. You love to recycle.
[00:01:41] Speaker B: Everybody should love to recycle, Kenny. This is the Burning river sportscast, where we like to save rivers.
[00:01:46] Speaker A: I like Bud light.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Well, you're an idiot.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: Welcome in to the internationally renowned and fastest growing Cleveland Browns podcast in the world, the Burning River Sportscast, presented by Tapin Media. I'm Kenny Thunder alongside the love child of Pontius pilot and Jenny Lind, the gentleman who puts the on in gonorrhea. Red Hot Ronnie jams.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Man, these get worse every week.
[00:02:09] Speaker A: Ronnie, tell our friends where they can find the best NFL beauty and the beast mashups inside of a pod.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: You can find our podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Pocketcast, Castro, and so many more, bro. You see, Robie Knievel died this week.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: Robbie Knievel was my first daredevil crush.
[00:02:35] Speaker B: All right.
But seriously, he died of cancer.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: Very sad news.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: Not a fan of the way he went out.
[00:02:43] Speaker B: No. How would you have done?
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Think.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: I don't think he really just. He passed away.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I think. Rip, when you get to a certain point, you know, the end is nigh. Okay. If I'm Robbie Knievel, I'm like. I'm hopping on the bike one last time and just jumping straight over the Grand Canyon. Just going out like I came in, in a ball of flame.
[00:03:08] Speaker B: It's not even a stunt. It's like the I'm.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, he would be immortalized forever. They'd probably put a statue of him on his bike regardless of if he.
[00:03:19] Speaker B: Made it or not.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, if you make it, great, you still get to die next week. But if you don't make it.
But if you don't make it, that's what the world has been wanting.
[00:03:31] Speaker B: My God.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: Tell him what he's won, Jim. Hospice bed.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: Wow.
We are not that heartless here at the river. Sports guest.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: Rip Robbie. No, for real.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: He was a cool guy, pop culture icon for a while there. Him and his father.
And a Venera, I guess. Right? There's not really a lot of stuntmen lately. What is? Travis Pastrana. He's the only one left.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: Travis Pastrana count as a stuntman, though.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: Seeing as there's so much science in theirs. And they're like, we know for sure we could do this. Evil Knievel and Robbie Knievel literally just went out there and, like, I don't know. Let's find out.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: I think if I go fast enough, I can get over all them buses.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: I broke every bone in my body multiple times. Yeah. I don't know, but end of an era, for sure. So.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: R-I-P. Yeah, I was sad to see that news. It feels like we've lost a lot of celebrities already in 2023. Who else?
I don't know. I'll bring that list up.
[00:04:32] Speaker B: I'm not real sure who we've lost, but it feels like a lot.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Some guy from American Idol just died.
[00:04:39] Speaker B: All right. Was it Taylor Hicks?
[00:04:42] Speaker A: No, Lisa Presley. Oh, Presley. Yeah, Lisa.
[00:04:48] Speaker B: Taylor HicKS has the same color hair as you.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: I think Taylor Hicks is still alive.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: Are people going to be Googling? Is Taylor Hicks alive?
[00:04:58] Speaker A: Taylor Hicks death conspiracy. Yeah, started on the Burning river sports cast.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Sorry, guys.
No, he's alive.
[00:05:06] Speaker A: Maybe.
[00:05:06] Speaker B: Anybody else?
You got one? No, there's, like, so many.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: There's more. I just can't think of them off the top of my head.
[00:05:13] Speaker B: That was good.
Anyways, getting into sports in the Cleveland Browns, it feels pretty bad that they aren't playing when all these other teams are, right?
[00:05:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you expanded the playoffs and I still can't get in. Yeah.
[00:05:31] Speaker B: When you put it that way.
So I guess let's just go ahead and get into this thing. We'll start with Cleveland Sports in the Burning river rundown.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: I love new Sounders.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: So what's your reaction to the playoffs right now? I mean, you're watching the playoffs, right? It's all playoffs teams in this know something, the Browns are not right now. What do these teams bring to the table that you've seen that the Browns need that we don't.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: Know. First off, it's just disappointment is the first thing that comes across because you feel like you had the talent to be there watching some of these teams.
So it's tough because you go from a roster standpoint, I don't think that the Jacksonville Jaguars were better than the Cleveland Browns roster this year. I don't think that even the Seahawks roster was better than the Cleveland Browns this year.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: Hell, I don't think the Vikings were better than the Browns this year.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: Yeah, probably not. So there are several teams out there that you feel like you absolutely were on par or better than, but you couldn't get in. But I just watched some of these teams, too, and you almost feel like they're playing a different game.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Just the everything, even the worst teams in the playoffs, everything's so crisp and clean and there's discipline. There's a sense of urgency is the thing that comes to mind for me.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: Urgency and just a will to want to win.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: They have legitimate head coaches.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: That is the one thing that did stick out to me, probably most of all is just the coaching job by each of these guys. Like I said, in the open, I don't think there were a ton of surprises here. Jacksonville, we'll get into the games more in a little bit, but when you look at the jobs that the coaches did, phenomenal. And there were a lot. I mean, we were fortunate this weekend to have a lot of really good games because sometimes that wild card week can be a little bit sleepy.
The better teams just kind of win, and these were all, for the most part, close games.
[00:07:38] Speaker B: Even the games that weren't close became close and then even turned in some cases.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
So I just think that there's a real clear, the leadership on those teams is really clear. It's clear that there's respect for the players in the locker room and back to the coaches because they want to play and coach for each other.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Fair. Okay.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: And I didn't see a lot of really stupid play calling. There was some, but usually on the.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: Teams that lost, there's always some.
I think I have it noted later. There's one that, an example that I'll break out later when we're talking about the playoffs.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: But the other thing is, too, thinking about the playoff teams this year, thinking about who was a quarterback for some of these teams. We've talked all season, like this year's NFL was so wide open.
Think about the quarterbacks in these playoffs. I mean, Gino Smith, Brock Purdy, fun.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Fact, the four highest paid quarterbacks were not in the. Yeah, so I'm trying to think who all that. So it's Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, who, he only played six games. So I guess, I mean, take that for what it is. And then the fourth one. Who am I missing here?
[00:08:55] Speaker A: Tom Brady. I don't know.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: No, Tom Brady's in. But anyways, the top four, you can find a graphic or something.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: I don't know. Yeah, Tom Brady's in. But outside of Tom Brady, I mean, the thing about some of these other quarterbacks, I mean, Kirk Cousins is perennially the guy that literally just gets left off of every list and made fun of because he's not that good, even though statistically he's had good seasons, but he's probably the best one of the bunch. When you think about Brock Purdy, Tyler Huntley, I mean, Joe Burrows in there, but some of these guys you either never heard of or were washed out and came back. And to think about the quarterback play that we had all year long and how well the offense worked when you stuck to your identity, I think that's another thing. Identity. I think the teams that run the ball, ran the ball. The teams that throw the ball, throw the ball.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: I will say it's a bit of a stretch to say that Kirk Cousins is even close to the best of the bunch. That's in the playoffs right now when we have Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: All right, well, Patrick Holmes didn't play this weekend. I'm talking about Wildcard Weekend.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: Okay, that's fair.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: You need to specify, man.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: I'm talking about this weekend.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: You need to specify.
[00:10:02] Speaker A: I didn't see Patrick Mahomes this weekend.
So. Yeah, I mean, it's not that all the quarterbacks in the league are trash. I'm just saying that our quarterback play this year, up until Deshaun got in, especially, was on par with each of those, you know, again, all goes back to the disappointment of the fact that you're not there because these teams that have identities did what they are supposed to do, and your identity like it or not, Kevin Stefanik is that you're a zone run team and you refuse to accept that. So it just was like, can you.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Imagine zone run team? Can you imagine run the ball?
[00:10:42] Speaker A: If Mike Vrabel was like, I know we got Derek Henry, but we're going to air this out with Ryan Tannehill.
We're just running gun, baby.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: Malik.
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Malik McDowell, Josh Dobbs. We're going to air this thing out. No need to give Derek Henry the ball 30 times. Let's just start launching it down the side.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: We're on this topic. I didn't even think we'd get into this today, but on our social medias this week, I got so many people commenting on different videos that we have out there or whatever, of us talking about how Nick Chubb needs more carries and theY're telling me we got 302 carries. That's a decent amount. No, it's not. We play 17 games now. Yeah, that's not a lot of carries. That comes out to what, 1617 carries a game. Nick Chump is a generational talent. He should have somewhere between 20 and 25. And that's not even causing a ton of wear and tear on him. That's just a normal amount of carries. Derek Henry literally averages close to 30. It's like 26 or something like that. So what do you mean don't give him that many carries? I got so many people telling me, well, he had 302 carries.
That's plenty. And he finished with over 1500 yards the first time since Jim Brown. Yeah, I get it. But imagine if he actually got his 20 carries a game.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: Well, yeah, you'd have 1800 yards. And instead of twelve touchdowns, you'd have 16 or 18, which in a lot of the games that we lost that were one possession game makes the difference in whether or not you're in the playoff conversation.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: Don't give me no shit about Nick Chubb and me saying he needs more carries. It's simple. I'm not the only one saying it. People a lot smarter than me are trying to tell Kevin Stefanik to run the damn ball.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: And we're not saying to give Dearness Johnson 25 carries a game. No, you're talking about a guy that can handle 25 carries a game in a meaningful way.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: It just frustrated me all week. So I'm just like these guys, they're like, well, they're keeping him fresh all season. For what? We didn't make the playoffs. Don't need him to be fresh.
[00:12:35] Speaker A: I mean, with as fresh as he's going to be, I hope he can play running back at a high level until he's 36 years old.
[00:12:40] Speaker B: He's going to be Tom Brady playing running back. Yeah, come on. But anyways, we'll move on here a little bit. It's been quiet since the end of the regular season for the Browns. There was only a couple kind of stories of note this week, so we'll get into those. First off, Judavian Clowney comes out and apologizes to Miles Garrett and said he should have spoken to Miles Garrett first and that things were taken out of context.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: It's kind of a weird apology. What did he say? I'm a father and a son.
Put it up there. Yeah, it's a tweet.
Look, here's the really unfortunate thing about Davion Clowney is as much as he didn't play this year, and as much as he was a non factor in a lot of games, he is statistically your second most productive player, at least by PFF grades. When you look at the Browns defense over the course of the year, for the entire year, he's always been that way.
[00:13:38] Speaker B: He kind of flies under the radar. He picks up double teams. He does all kinds of things.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: He does all the things that free.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: Stuff up for everybody else.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: He does. The people that watch the ball don't see the things that the Javion does on a play in play out basis.
But teams like PFF, to look at that and grade on, did you win your matchup or not? Or not more or less throughout the game, Miles was our number one defender, rated by, I think, 92 three or 92 five.
[00:14:04] Speaker B: He was number one defensive end in.
[00:14:05] Speaker A: The league in that elite category.
And Jadevion was your second best defender from a rating standpoint at around 75, 375 and a half.
So as much as we can all like, hey, you know what? Screw you. Get the hell out of here. We don't have time for that kind of those kinds of games.
You already have a defensive front that is weak, and losing Judevion Connie doesn't make you better.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: No. And so here's my take on the whole apology this week. While I don't think anything was taken out of context, like he says, because the entire interview was published, I mean, it's not like you could just pick and choose. It's all there.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, he lit him up.
[00:14:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I do think the intent was twisted because I don't really think he was calling out Miles. I think him and Miles do have a decent relationship. I think he was specifically expressing frustration with the coaches. I mean, we all know their ass true. So they're bad coaches. One got fired because he's a bad coach.
He didn't say anything that was technically wrong.
He just went about it the wrong way. So, I mean, it doesn't really matter, though. He's probably gone. He's probably not on the team anyway, so we don't have to keep talking.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: He's just one more guy in a long line of players this year that have aired their grievances some way publicly. He just took it to another level, I think, because of the medium he chose. But I want to take just real quick second on this because I think we've by and large blamed Kevin Stefanik for this locker room and the dissension and just, it's kind of been a mess since not getting along. But I think it's time that you have to also start to point the finger at Andrew Berry. And I don't know that he has gotten enough of that because he's the one technically that built the roster. And if he's continually bringing in guys that can't get along in a locker room, don't respect coaches, can't have apparently adult conversations with coaches to have these conversations behind closed doors like adults.
Like, that's a problem.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: I would agree with you to an extent, because my concern is what if Judavian Clowney tried to air these grievances with the coaches and sit down and talk with them? But you've got Kevin Stefanik, who doesn't listen and keeps telling him, well, we're.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: Going to get better.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: Everything we want is on the other side of hard. And Judavion's like, what does that mean?
[00:16:40] Speaker A: Well, I still.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: How does that help me?
[00:16:42] Speaker A: I still think you have mutiny. A quorum of players that are saying.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Things, you know, mutinies always look bad in the moment, but history usually sees them as that's what should have happened.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Hell, our country's a mutiny, right?
[00:16:58] Speaker B: So I'm just saying, like, yeah, right in the moment, he looks terrible. But maybe when we look back at Stefanski's tenure with this team, we're like, man, somebody should have said that earlier.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: But maybe Andrew Berry is King George.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: Who knows?
[00:17:12] Speaker A: What if Stefanik is just Prince Harry?
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Who knows? This is a whole nother topic that we can get into for another time. I actually like this. We'll revisit this on a future show this offseason.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: Who's playing George?
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, I'm a fan. Fun fact, the King George has played. Is it King George in the Hamilton play?
He's played by Ignatius Grad.
[00:17:34] Speaker A: Excellent.
[00:17:35] Speaker B: Yeah. So, Cleveland, kid.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: Anyways, good job, Cleveland.
[00:17:39] Speaker B: Next up on the Browns stories this week, Deshaun's truck got stolen and was found in a ditch in Cleveland.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: What a bizarre story.
I saw the headline and I'm going like, man, that's pretty ballsy. Let's deal. Deshaun Watson's truck started looking into it and realized that it was, like, in the shop for service. And they just boosted a bunch of cars, like, from the service shop.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Feels bad.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: From a Mercedes Benz dealership, I guess.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: Well, if you're going to hit one, that's the one to go after, I guess.
[00:18:12] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, and then just to park it in a ditch and leave it. Bold moves all around.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Well, that was fun. Let's get out of here.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: Remember that time we drove to Sean Watson's truck?
[00:18:21] Speaker B: Oh, man, I was so wasted.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: Send it.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Next up, and kind of the final Brown story this week is the Browns have interviewed these guys for the defensive coordinator job this week. Brian Flores was interviewed from the Steelers, Jim Schwartz from the Titans, Denard Wilson from the Eagles, and Sean Desai from the Seahawks. So we'll get into each of these guys here in just a second a little bit. But first, we talked about Black Monday and all the coaching and front office turnover last week, right? It went around fired. Everybody's fired. Fired. Well, we got a new addition, Scott Turner, Commander's offensive coordinator, fired.
And we may have more to come here. There's a lot of rumors going around that Brandon Staley, head coach of the Chargers, is on the hot seat right now, and he may be next.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: I'll say this. I think Brandon Staley is a Northeast Ohio guy or an Ohio guy, and if the Chargers wanted to fire him, I would be very interested in bringing him in as a coordinator.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah, me, too. And so that's kind of why I went with those first, because it's a good segue into our deeper dive into this defensive coordinator search.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: So mostly because I would want Brandon Staley to be the interim head coach next year when they fire Stefanik. Well, yeah, everybody would when Stefanik gets fired.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: Fired.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: We didn't time that up. Very good.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I was just mad.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: It's a bad job out of you.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: Anyways, so Gerard Mayo was my pick, and he has officially withdrawn from consideration because the Patriots are giving him a promotion. And or he's also being considered for some head coaching jobs out there, which is kind of a new development. And you talk about Jeff Saturday.
No experience that Gerard Mayo is not far behind him, but like I said, he's around the league. He's kind of known as an up and coming rock star in the coaching world.
[00:20:16] Speaker A: I heard an interesting story. I know I don't want to talk about Gerard forever because he's out of the search, but I've heard an interesting story about him last week that this year, I think it was that Bill had offered him a co defensive coordinator position, and he basically told Bill to shove it because he wasn't going to be a co anything.
Fair.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: I mean, it goes back to that. Gerard Mayo is a little bit younger than a lot of these old guys in the coaching world. I know we're in a phase of turnover right now. You got a lot of younger coaches out there, but he's in that group. And I think the younger people, to use an overly used phrase, know their worth. And, yeah, I mean, if you feel like you're that good, I would have said the same thing. I'd be like, I know you're Bill Belichick, but I don't give a shit.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: He basically said was, that doesn't do anything for.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: So that's not the next step in my career. I know where. Yeah, so good on him. But Brian Flores up next.
He looks to be out at this point, actually, because of all the interest that has come up with him. As far as head coaching candidate goes, if he is signed as a coordinator, it would likely only be for a year because he's probably going to get more interest again next year, and so it may force the Browns to kind of eliminate him from consideration here.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
Look, I'm still a little surprised at all of the interest in Brian Flores.
Not that he's a bad coach, just given the amount of baggage that kind of comes with hiring him at this point because of the NFL suit and everything that went on last year and with the Dolphins and the Belichick Techs and all that stuff. So I would have thought he would have been more of a. I don't even know what the word is, a pariah, or at least looked at that way by NFL clubs, but they're certainly.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: Specifically by, like, owners.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah, but there certainly seems to be a lot of interest out there for him and probably because he is a good coach. I mean, I think he's had success.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: In a lot of places, and to be honest, hopefully they're turning a corner. I know it's always been like the owners club in the NFL, but hopefully they're turning a corner and being able to treat head coaches players, what have you, with some respect, rather than just, this is the owner's club, and we protect our own at all costs.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: Yeah, those guys got a lot of money.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: They certainly do.
Zimmer was up next here, but we have no interview scheduled with him. He was kind of a hot name when the search first started, but nothing has progressed there.
[00:22:53] Speaker A: I haven't heard anything about Zimmer at this point. Still think he's an intriguing candidate, but does seem that right now a lot of the attention and focus has been on this next guy. And Jim Schwartz.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: Yeah, so Jim Schwartz, he has interviewed, supposedly the interview went well. He's up towards the top of the list. Nobody knows exactly where he falls at this point, but this is a guy that's a former head coach, and you talk about somebody just in case we're firing Stefanik next year, we got a guy that's waiting in the wings to take on that interim head coaching job.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: There's an interesting psychology here. I think, about a, whose decision is this? Is this Kevin's decision to build his staff, or is this a Barry and Haslam decision to bring in a guy?
[00:23:42] Speaker B: Well, if we go by your previous comments, he's a.
[00:23:50] Speaker A: So I think there's some interesting psychology here on both sides because I don't know a who's making the decisIon. I think based on the press conference, it felt like Andrew Berry went out of his way a couple of times to say, like, this is Kevin's staff, and obviously there will be collaboration. But he all but said, like, this will be Kevin's decision, but he didn't say it. So that's why that point still interesting.
[00:24:14] Speaker B: When I hear that, that makes me think, like, this is what we're telling everybody, but really, this is my decision.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: But then I also think there's a psychology on Stefanik's side, too. Let's rule out Andrew Barry at this point and say, this is totally Kevin Stefanik's decision. Do you bring in a guy like a Jim Schwartz or Mike Zimmer?
[00:24:34] Speaker B: Knowing that, I mean, if I'm Stefanik, I want it.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: Knowing that they are a number one in the event that you start slow.
[00:24:41] Speaker B: Next, as. As hot as his seat got towards the end of this year when they were just playing? Like, I mean, I probably wouldn't, but.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: For the success of a team, does it make sense to bring in somebody like that? So I just think it's interesting, like, how does Kevin play that power dynamic where you might want the most qualified candidate, but you also know, bringing in the most qualified candidate may mean your exit. So do you find a Stefanic patsy, somebody that people don't know, somebody like this Denard Wilson, who's like the passing corner. Okay.
[00:25:18] Speaker B: This might be the only one that could be a Stefanic Patsy because I don't even really have anything written down for him. I know, like you said, he's a passing game coordinator, but there's not mean.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: Yeah, he's one of those guys that's going to come in and they'll have a press conference and Barry will say, here's what he's done. He's done all these things. You'll go, okay, you'll buy into it because they'll know he's done this and he's done that, even though none of us have really ever heard of him.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: Listen, no offense to Denard Wilson. If he's the guy. I know exactly what the angle is.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: He's a Stefanic patsy.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah. But this next guy, though, I mean, you talk about, know, guys coming in that you may not have heard of because he's not at the forefront of all of these conversations, but he has done a lot behind the scenes for multiple ball clubs is Sean Desai.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: Yeah, another young guy. I think he's 39.
He's not been in the league terribly long. He's been with the Seahawks for, I think, one season, and then he spent some time in admin in Chicago.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Yes. And so I have kind of some interesting things on him for his time in Seattle. Specifically, he was brought into Seattle before this last season to help Pete Carroll, who's been a coach since like 73 or something.
[00:26:34] Speaker A: Now he is 73 71.
[00:26:38] Speaker B: He was brought in to help switch the Seattle Seahawks from a four three to a three four. And specifically, he revamped the secondary from COVID three with a single high safety to cover one is their primary coverage with a lot of blitzing and different looks up front to confuse quarterbacks and get them to make mistakes.
It's been said about him that he can also coach a four three if Stefanik doesn't want to switch his defense.
And he's been known throughout his time as a coach in the NFL to be very adaptable.
So it's just a lot of different things with him. He has a PhD in teaching, so he's like, players love this guy. They say he just really gets it and knows how to explain things and get the message through to them so they grasp it and understand how to use it.
[00:27:25] Speaker A: And that seems to be the bulk of his background is in academia.
[00:27:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
So all those things. But a fun kind of note that I had in here is there are a lot of rumors that the reason that he was brought in and interviewed is actually because he may end up coming over as part of a staff for another coach, like a Jim Schwartz or a Brian Flores to help revamp this defense kind of from the ground up. So, I mean, just something to watch. But he's a interesting name that's out there and he has a lot of respect from players and coaches alike.
[00:28:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Again, it wasn't a huge name right off the bat because he's just not super well known. But I think he does have a nice background and he's certainly getting momentum as a serious candidate.
[00:28:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
So that takes us to Brandon Staley, who is a new name that just popped up as all these rumors of him being fired as the head coach of the Chargers have cropped up since. We'll talk about the debacle that was the Chargers game. But if he does indeed get fired by the Chargers, he probably jumps at least towards the top of the list if not taking the top spot, I would think. Right.
[00:28:44] Speaker A: I would like him in that top spot.
I can't imagine San Diego, LA, is really going to let him go.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: I mean, they've had really high hopes with Justin Herbert out there and the team that they've put together, and they've kind of been a letdown the last few years, I guess.
[00:29:02] Speaker A: I mean, Justin Herbert's only in, what, his third year. So he's just saying, still a young quarterback, the NFL.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: Nobody's patient in the NFL.
[00:29:11] Speaker A: Well, that's true.
It almost reminds me of Marty Schottenheimer out there. I mean, when he was there and Philip Rivers was there and they went 14 and two and they were like, well, Marty Schottenheimer can't close the deal, I think.
[00:29:25] Speaker B: Biggest mistake of the line.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: Lt was on that team, they went 14 and two. He scored like 30 touchdowns that year. And they were like, Marty Schottenheimer is trash. And they fired him at the end of the year. So it seems odd that your prize for making the playoffs would be fired, fired, fired.
But, yeah, absolutely. I mean, if he gets canned, I'll put a can right here for him.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that's an exciting name. Right? I mean, you mentioned all the things that tie him to Cleveland and Northeast Ohio, but that's an exciting name. That's a good coach out there that may lose his job just because they couldn't get past the first.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And I know that he is at least as good at losing as Kevin Stefanik. So when Stefanik, it's not hard, gets fired, fired one day we're going to time that up.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: My bad.
[00:30:15] Speaker A: When Stefanik gets canned, he will be a very good interim coach. I'm sure of.
[00:30:25] Speaker B: Mean, that's all the candidates at this point. They've basically said, that's it. That's who we're looking at, and the process should wrap fairly soon. I actually predict that we'll know who our defensive coordinator is by the end of next week, possibly even before we record our next podcast.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: Can I tell you a secret?
[00:30:46] Speaker B: You're probably going to anyway, so let's hear it.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: Yeah, you're stuck.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: I can't go anywhere.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: Look, there's a lot of good names on this list. I don't think any of them matter ultimately, because I think as bad as Joe woods was, and sure he needed to be fired, this whole coaching staff was bad. We've talked about the homophobe Mike prefer in his teams. They were bad, but he got to keep his job. Stefanik had still there nothing going on this whole year, and he gets to keep his job. So I think as long as Kevin Stefanski is in that building and he's in charge, whether he's Podesta Patsy or whether he's George doesn't give me the greatest topic. Doesn't matter at all because he can't do the job. So as long as your head coach is leading the team down the wrong path, you can have all the talent in the building you want. We saw this year you had all the talent in the building and it didn't.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: I mean, it's got to be the most sought after defensive coordinator job in the NFL because there's absolutely no, like, you could be terrible and you're at least keeping your job through the year because there's no accountability.
[00:31:57] Speaker A: It would be hard to get fired after one year at that job.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: I'm saying, if you're absolutely God awful like he did with Joe woods this year, he's like, well, we're going to let him finish the season.
[00:32:08] Speaker A: Well, yeah, there's no accountability in this building. No, I do think it should be an attractive opportunity outside of the fact that nothing in Cleveland ever goes right. Because you do have some talent on that team. I mean, look at some of these other teams that have openings right now. They don't have Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward. They don't have guys like J-O-K on their roster. MJ Emerson.
Say what you want about guys like Grant Delpit and Greg newsome like, okay, those guys are young, but they're good athleteS. So, yeah, there's pieces to fill there. That interior, that line needs help and you need a really solid linebacker, but you also have tremendous building blocks, foundations.
[00:32:51] Speaker B: Of a.
I mean, with. That's. That's all of the defensive coordinators that they're looking at. That's all the Browns news this week. So let's just go ahead and kind of go through the rest of the Cleveland Sports News.
[00:33:05] Speaker A: Yeah, so this is the new segment, right? As we get further away from Browns season, burning river rundown will include, basically.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: If you've been with us from the inception we had for the land, that's all going to get rolled up into this.
[00:33:19] Speaker A: It's basically anything that is Cleveland Browns News or anything that's remotely related to Cleveland Sports News.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So next up, we got the Cavaliers. They're at 27 and 17 right now. They did drop to fifth in the east. Bastards. They're second in the Central right now. They're a half game back of Milwaukee. I think they continue to struggle on the road, though. This is where they're having a lot of issues. While they're 18 and four at home, which is one of the best records at home in the entire NBA, they're nine and 13 on the road, so they're going to have to really figure that out.
But in good news for the Cavs, Ricky Rubio returned this week. So it's good to see his face on the court.
[00:34:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think he looks bad.
[00:34:05] Speaker B: Looks like Ricky Rubio.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: Looks like Ricky Rubio.
[00:34:07] Speaker B: He's just out there just being Ricky Rubio. Tons of tattoos, just doing it up.
[00:34:12] Speaker A: I do find it interesting that at 27 and 17, there's a lot of talk right now about moves to make, and I don't think they need to make it. I still think that this team has so many young players on it. And then you add in Donovan Mitchell that I don't know that they are a finished product yet as is. So whether they add a body or just. I think this team still has a ways to go to gel, and it's.
[00:34:42] Speaker B: Good because it's only January, but I think that this team as it is right now, can compete for a championship. I just think they need time together. I mean, it's been, what, 20, 717? That's 44 games.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: I mean, they have to be in most matchups. When you look at just average age of roster, they have to be the younger team in most of those matchups. So it's going to take some time for them to really develop and they had injury.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: True. The beginning of this year, they're starting to get healthy. Like I said, Ricky Rubio has been.
[00:35:12] Speaker A: Banged up, but I just find it fascinating that there's so much talk right now about trying to make a move. And you really have depleted assets in the same way the Browns have because of the Donovan Mitchell trade.
And so you don't have a ton to bargain with. I mean, you got Kevin Love, which no one wants, and, I mean, we want him. I like Kevin Love and you got Caris LaVert. That seems to be kind of the bargaining chip at this point. So I don't know what they'll do approaching the All Star break here soon. So to me, I don't see anything wrong with a young team being ten games over 500 and in the thick of a playoff race and just letting it ride.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm all for just like, sometimes you've got to understand when you need to let it breathe and just. Okay, we've assembled a solid team.
There's going to be some bumpy times as we adjust and just let it breathe and see what happens.
[00:36:08] Speaker A: Well, this record doesn't look that much worse than some of the LeBron James led teams that were.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: No, it's actually right around the same.
[00:36:14] Speaker A: Know when he was here. So I just think that as they continue to play together, they'll get so.
[00:36:21] Speaker B: And they continue to be a lot of fun to mean.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: I like that they play team ball.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: And they play hard every night.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: You talked about LeBron teams. As much as I love LeBron and I'm glad that he won us a championship along with Kyrie and whoever else. Even though I hate Kyrie now, it's so refreshing to see a team play as a team night in and night out versus.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: Except for that time that Donovan Mitchell scored 71.
[00:36:47] Speaker B: Yeah, that was different.
But no, it's so refreshing because for the vast majority of the since 2000 and was a three Cavs basketball has been give the ball to one guy and everybody else get out of the way. Yeah, so it's pretty cool. Next up, we got the Guardians progressive Field. They just announced all the renovations coming for Progressive Field. So there's 200 million plus, which will be completed by 2025 and 70 million of that is coming from the team. So I'll let you run with this because I know that you had some issues. Look, I just know not with renovations, you had some issues with other things.
[00:37:30] Speaker A: Twitter was set ablaze. There were several different articles written this week about it. I just can't understand why people are so upset about investment in your community and in your stadium. I know that baseball is full of gatekeepers that want to keep the game the same way and keep things the same way for.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: We've talked about this. Bring on the steroids. Let's let them all do it. And we'll hit a lot of home runs and it's going to be awesome.
[00:37:59] Speaker A: But I just can't fathom why you would be upset that they're going to continue to modernize the stadium. Because all that does is help you continue to bring events, things like the All Star Game, back to.
You know what's funny is this town is so Hogwild when it comes to the Dolans are cheap. The Dolans won't spend any money. They won't keep any players around. Well, here you go. You have some actual investment to the tune of about a third of this renovation that's going to be made by the team. And I think a large part of that is driven by the new ownership, the new minority ownership group, which is what they came here for, was to invest in the team.
[00:38:49] Speaker B: All of us start to his tenure, by the way. We're going to get this approved. We're going to get all these renovations, and then the town sits there. Your renovations are shit.
Thank you. Thank you. That makes me excited to do it again.
[00:39:01] Speaker A: Like it or not, this team has struggled with attendance issues.
Is a small market club that something's always going to be a problem. This is a way to continue to be open and inclusive about the people that come to enjoy this game.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: And have you seen the renderings of this thing? It's beautiful.
[00:39:26] Speaker A: It looks great.
[00:39:26] Speaker B: It looks awesome. And there's another. We kind of got that corner bar or whatever it's called there where you get the ticket and you get a high top and you get a beer with it. And it's pretty inexpensive ticket.
[00:39:36] Speaker A: In the summertime, they put a busy.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: One of those in and everybody's talking about, oh, they're turning it into a sports bar. Well, here's a fun fact for you. Capacity is exactly the same. It literally didn't change. So, no, they're not, and I'm sorry. This is where we get into the vocal minority. This is one of those situations where all these old heads that people that don't want the game to change at all, whatever, they want to sit in their seat, eat their cracker jacks and never have anything change, well, guess what? I'd like to go and hang out and have an actual good beer and not a bud light, because that's trash.
[00:40:08] Speaker A: I like Bud light.
[00:40:09] Speaker B: Well, you're an idiot. So I'd like to go have a craft beer, sit down, and be able to have a good atmosphere while I'm watching a game. And here's another thing. Don't know if anybody else knows this or agrees. I'll probably get a lot of shit for this. Baseball is not that exciting.
So I want to go and be able to hang out with my friends.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Here's my thing.
[00:40:31] Speaker B: Catch the game on my terms rather than having to sit in a seat, and I'm just like, here's my thing.
[00:40:37] Speaker A: If that makes you happy, then great. Why does your happiness, whether you're happy or not, why does it impact my happiness?
[00:40:44] Speaker B: Well, if I wanted to go to.
[00:40:46] Speaker A: The game and keep score on paper and keep stats on paper and eat.
[00:40:49] Speaker B: A hot dog their own.
Yeah. I'm not mad at those people. Those seats are still there for you, right?
[00:40:56] Speaker A: Why are those? Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: That's where I talk about the vocal minority, because people like me, who I'm like, I want to go and be able to hang out with my friends. This is the only time you're hearing about it every other time. I don't care. There's other people that are there, like you said, with their scoreboards, meticulously taking notes and keeping score, and to each their own.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: And we're not telling those people they can't come to the game anymore.
[00:41:18] Speaker B: Don't sit there and tell me, no, I don't want another beer garden because I don't want you to have fun with your friends.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: In fact, there's more seats for that than there is for the beer garden because a third of that stadium is empty at all times.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: How dare the team modernize and try and fit in in today's world.
[00:41:34] Speaker A: Look, modernization isn't even about trying to offer craft beers to hipsters. It's just about like calling me a hipster.
[00:41:45] Speaker B: I guess we're starting to really check the things off. I got long hair. I'm wearing a beanie today.
I drink craft.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: You smell funny.
[00:41:53] Speaker B: It's not a good look for me.
[00:41:56] Speaker A: You love to recycle.
[00:41:59] Speaker B: Everybody should love to recycle, Kenny. This is the Burning river sportscast, where we like to save rivers.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: But look, here's the thing, and we can have a different discussion on another day about how these stadiums and these projects are funded with the taxpayer funds that are used. I can get on board with someone. If you say that's not the right way, fine. But this is the system that we're in today. This is the tax legislation that's been passed to pay for this stuff with the syntax and that. So if you want to go have that conversation, that's fine, we can have it. And if you want to do something about it, then run for city council. Start a movement, start a Facebook page. I don't care. Get out of my hair. Though.
[00:42:32] Speaker B: Keeping teams in your town.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: And the thing is that all modernizing does is continue to improve your city overall because you have more public access grounds for events. I know they do stuff in even the wintertime. They have like, I don't know, sled rides, boggins and stuff in there.
[00:42:54] Speaker B: What is it called? Guards Fest or Guardians Fest or whatever.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: It is, the more modern your stadium is, the more you can host events like that, even big corporate, private events, to have those types of patios and things that could be rented out on weekdays during the summer, it's great, too.
[00:43:10] Speaker B: Like, the renovations are so cool because where the bleachers are right now, they actually make that connect to the rest of the ballpark now. So it's like now you could literally go in a circle, whereas before, if you got up into the bleachers, you're kind of stuck there.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: And I think a lot of this. Come on. I think a lot of this comes from people who have not visited stadiums in other states.
[00:43:31] Speaker B: I just went to Minnesota Twins game after a work event this year, and their stadium is very nice, and it's kind of that same concept. There's beer gardens and big kind of hangout places for you and your friends everywhere. Just standing room to where you can grab a drink, go over there and stand there and watch the game. And there's an open space for you to see the field.
[00:43:53] Speaker A: Well, yeah. And I think if you've never ventured outside of Cleveland or seen anything like that, this is a foreign concept to you. But if you've been to other stadiums where they've made that investment to modernize and create spaces for things that are more than just the game, then you're lacking perspective. And I think my final piece on this is just like. I think this is it, right? It's the cell phone. This whole cell phone methodology of what do you need a cell phone for? Well, I need to text and to make phone calls. Okay, well, this is what progressive field is today is. It's just a cell phone or a flip phone. It texts and make calls. Do you have a smartphone or do you not want that either? Because that's change and it's progress and it does a whole bunch of other stuff. They're turning progressive field into a smartphone fair.
[00:44:42] Speaker B: That's a good analogy. I like it. Good job, buddy. So, yeah, I mean, that's enough talk about progressive field renovations. They're totally dope. Can't wait till they're done. I'm going to have a lot of fun at the new ballpark once the renovations are complete.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: With all your hipster friends, just shut your mouth.
[00:44:58] Speaker B: And final note, here in the Burning River Rundown, CJ Stroud declares for the draft. SO he made everybody think for a second he might be coming back. He waited until the final day and I had my hopes up, but I think that the only thing that was holding him back and that made him consider even staying was the fact that he didn't beat that team up north and the fact that he didn't win a Big Ten championship.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:45:25] Speaker B: But he kind of said it after the game against the team up north this year. He said, look, I haven't beat those guys and I haven't won a Big Ten championship. So if that's my legacy, that's just something I'm going to have to eat.
[00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Look, I mean, I wish CJ Stroud, all the best, has been a great player to watch for the last couple of years. And I, too, was hoping that he might stay because I think we all hoped if you were here for another year, I think you're the next best team, besides maybe Georgia, to win going into next year, and only because they've won two years in a row. So I know that program continues to grow and they continue to invest down there.
But that being said, I think even with the nil stuff kind of coming to fruition and players are starting to see some coin, it's still not the money you see in the NFL, and it's not the type of money that CJ Stroud is going to see because he's going to be an early pick.
[00:46:22] Speaker B: Well, and that's where I was going to go with this, is, look, I understand all these, again, it's the older generation that they really want everybody to stay in school and finish out. Well, guess what? CJ Stroud is going to be a top ten pick. You know what? That guarantees him $35 million in his first contract. Generational wealth that you can't get that from nil deals. Even the highest paid guys are maybe a couple of million, which is very good money. Don't get me wrong but here's the other thing that the people who want to sit there and preach to these kids to stay in school and do this stuff we all just watched what happened to DeMar Hamlin last week any down could be your final down on the NFL field on an NFL field. So you need to get that money while you can. All these people that are in the NFL and you see it actually pretty regularly they can take classes in the offseason they can finish their degree while they're playing in the NFL someone just.
[00:47:14] Speaker A: Tweeted that this week and I forget who it was but they said they left early but they were finishing their degree this summer and I can't remember.
[00:47:20] Speaker B: Who it was right so there's so many options and not to mention there's even more options for them because at that point they're rich so they can go ahead even if they want to fly back and be in person twice a week, three times a week, whatever.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: They can do that economic freedom is.
[00:47:40] Speaker B: Yeah, anymore whether it's NFL, NBA, MLB, I don't really care my opinion is these kids need to get their money while they can because they might only get one contract before it's all over.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: Well and that's the thing right is that it's just such a zero sum game at that point because it's either I'm going to get drafted and get that contract or if I play one more year I might blow my knee out I was going to say I'm.
[00:48:06] Speaker B: Reaching back a little ways here but Willis McGeehey is a perfect example of this as Willis McGee back when we.
[00:48:12] Speaker A: Were still paying running backs yeah Willis.
[00:48:14] Speaker B: McGee was the consensus top running back in that draft played Ohio State in the national champion he came back for another year I believe he could have went the year before that came back for another year because Miami was that damn good Willis McGee blows out his.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: Knee completely and I think we've seen a couple of draft pickl and his.
[00:48:33] Speaker B: Career was never the same and it's other people than just him I mean that was just the first one that.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Came to mind I think we've seen a couple people just play in bowl games that were like that knew they were going to the NFL draft but played in their bowl game anyway to know with their brothers and play for a championship whatever and Ted Gin had injuries yeah I mean unheard of in this game that you could have an injury that could impact the rest of.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: Your career and again lest we forget when Ted Ginn ran that opening kickoff in the national championship back for a touchdown. The entire team tackled him and that's when he broke his ankle. He broke his ankle. The entire game shifted because they just double teamed Anthony Gonzalez the rest of the game. They lost. But it also completely changed the trajectory of Ted Gin's career because he was never quite the same.
[00:49:20] Speaker A: 100%.
[00:49:22] Speaker B: When your whole game is speed and you have a broken ankle, it's hard to play. Just saying. But I digress.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I just think it's one of those. It's just the reality again of the world that we live in, and you can't turn down that kind of money.
[00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. So that's it for the burning river rundown.
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[00:51:16] Speaker A: Go on and get some.
[00:51:19] Speaker B: All right, so that's going to take us to the NFL playoffs. Wild card recap all right, so we're going to start with the AFC here. The Kansas City Chiefs got the buy this week, so we have the Chargers at the Jaguars to start. And what a wild game this one was you got something to say already?
[00:51:39] Speaker A: I was just going to say the same thing. I mean, this one was freaking wild, man.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: So the Chargers got out to a huge lead early. They were up 27 nothing with 1 minute left before the half. And then they went into the half at 27 seven. Everything was clicking for the Chargers. Trevor Lawrence looked God awful in the first half.
[00:51:55] Speaker A: Was there four picks in the first half?
[00:51:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll tell you his stats here in a second. But that score with 32 seconds apparently gave the Jaguars life because Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars stormed back in the second half. He got them into position and they kicked a field goal as time expired to win this thing 31 to 30. Yeah, freaking Wild. But the first seven drives Trevor Lawrence five of 18 for 35 yards and four picks.
[00:52:24] Speaker A: I was feeling so good about my pick at that point.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: The Chargers actually had a DB. Asanti Samuel Jr.
Had three picks on Trevor Lawrence in the first half and at one point he had completed more passes to Asante Samuel Jr. Than his own team.
[00:52:39] Speaker A: He had the hat trick.
[00:52:40] Speaker B: Yeah. So the last five drives for Trevor Lawrence though, 23 of 29 for 253 yards, four touchdowns, no picks, just completely turned it around.
[00:52:51] Speaker A: I mean, I don't even know how to feel about that other than the fact that I feel bad for picking the Chargers.
[00:52:57] Speaker B: I picked the Jaguars.
[00:52:58] Speaker A: I'm really smart because this was as fluke of a game as you've ever.
[00:53:03] Speaker B: Picked, but oh really? Let me just read some stuff for you here real quick this year for the Jaguars, week nine against the Raiders, trailed by 17, came back and won. Week twelve against the Ravens, trailed by nine, came back and won. Week 15 against the Cowboys, trailed by 17, came back and won. Week 18 against the Titans, trailed by ten, came back and won. And now in the wild card round against the Chargers, trailed by 27 and came back and won.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: So you're telling me you anticipated them getting down by the third most points in the history of any NFL game and coming back and winning?
[00:53:36] Speaker B: I'm the smartest man that ever lived.
So obviously I picked that right and Kenny picked it wrong. Not that we're really keeping track, but it's just fun to rub it in his face that he's not very good at picking.
[00:53:45] Speaker A: More importantly is that every week now I'm kind of having to accept that Trevor Lawrence might be.
[00:53:52] Speaker B: Well, the fact that he had such a short memory in this game is pretty phenomenal and said, yeah, I threw four picks, but guess what? I'm throwing four touchdowns now and the.
[00:53:59] Speaker A: Dude has still never lost a game on a Saturday at any level.
[00:54:04] Speaker B: Impressive.
[00:54:04] Speaker A: Professional, college, high school. Impressive, never.
[00:54:07] Speaker B: Next up, the Dolphins at the Bills. So the Dolphins here were down to Skyler Thompson, and somehow they found a way to make this thing competitive and actually gave themselves the lead and a chance to win in the second half. So they were up 24 20 midway through the third before the Bills finally took control. The Bills at one point went up 34 24, and then they closed it out, 34 31 Was your final?
There was some confusion at the end of this one as the Dolphins were going for a fourth down late in the game to stay alive.
The head coach apparently was told by somebody, it sounds like somebody on his own staff from his press conference, but he was told by somebody that they had gotten the first down the play before. So he put the wrong personnel on the field. That feels bad for fourth and one. And then he realized, oh, shit, this is the wrong group of guys. And he tried to switch him out real fast. He couldn't. They got to delay a game. Made it fourth and six, and they didn't convert. Bills got the ball back and were able to run out the clock on that next.
[00:55:04] Speaker A: Um, look, I said last week that if Tua was playing in this game, I probably would have picked the Dolphins.
[00:55:11] Speaker B: It's amazing how much he changes that team. And I'm not even a big Tua fan, but he changes that team early.
[00:55:16] Speaker A: On in this mean. I just kept watching it saying, jeez, if they had a quarterback, they could win. Skyler Thompson played as good, I think, as Skyler Thompson can possibly just, he just was late on what felt like every throw ball just hung a little too long in the air every time and just couldn't complete enough passes. He had a lot of drops, actually, uncharacteristic drops from guys like waddle from their running backs. So they didn't do a whole lot to help him out in this one. But I was one of the few people that wasn't surprised. This was a competitive game. I thought that defense might give Phil's to fit. I can't talk fits to the Bills. Phil's to the bits fills to the bits. Can we get a shirt that says that fills to the bits?
[00:56:08] Speaker B: Now a fun moment in this one, though. Josh Allen just out there fighting defensive linemen.
[00:56:14] Speaker A: You thought that was fun?
[00:56:16] Speaker B: I thought it was pretty cool. You don't usually see a quarterback just go right back at a defensive lineman. He's like, yeah, you know what? I'm going to fight you now.
[00:56:21] Speaker A: I thought it was a real dick move by Josh Allen because that's just.
[00:56:25] Speaker B: Because you don't like Josh Allen.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: No, but because he started the fight with a defensive lineman, then his offensive lineman had to come in and finish it and he just walked away like I'm going to get the heck out of here.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: Well, yeah, when you're the most important guy on the when you know when to hold him, you know when to fold him and you know when to walk away.
[00:56:42] Speaker A: Look, I know they're a year Super bowl pick, but I think this Bills team is in trouble. I think Josh, Josh Allen's decision making is a little bit, I'm not saying he's bad. I think it's a little bit questionable at times and they can't run the ball, so someone's going to beat them.
[00:56:55] Speaker B: Hey, you can think all you want. We both picked this game, though. So Ravens at Bengals, here's another wild game. Counting on Huntley. The Ravens took the defending AFC conference and current AFC north champs to the brink.
[00:57:10] Speaker A: Can I say that while I did see the Phil's giving the bits, is that whatever I said, fins giving the bits.
[00:57:21] Speaker B: The fills the bits.
[00:57:22] Speaker A: I did not see this game being so close.
[00:57:24] Speaker B: No, this was very surprising.
Huntley took them down to the 1 yd line with the game tied at 17 with eleven minutes and 39 seconds left in the fourth quarter and a chance to take the lead.
But what happened was Huntley tried to go up and over on a QB sneak, got the ball punched out and it literally fell directly into Sam Hubbard's hands, who in turn rumbled 99 yards for the touchdown, which happened to be the deciding touchdown in this game as the Bengals went on to win 24 to 17.
[00:57:56] Speaker A: When they had the ball down there in the goal line, I was like, oh my God, Baltimore is going to win this game.
[00:58:02] Speaker B: And here's where I mentioned earlier, I have a bonehead coaching decision that I wanted to bring up. That was Allah, Kevin Stefanski. And here it is.
JK Dobbins after the game, complained that he didn't see a single carry at the end of that possession, even though the Ravens had the ball first and goal from the three. He said he absolutely would have scored and he also said that they would have won if Lamar was playing. So there's that. But it sounds like Harbaugh has been watching too many Browns games and really likes how cute Stefanski thinks he is. So he decided to take a page out of our book and it really cost him.
[00:58:38] Speaker A: Stefanski thinks Harbaugh is cute.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Harbaugh thinks Stefanski's cute.
[00:58:41] Speaker A: Oh, he thinks he's cute.
[00:58:42] Speaker B: Okay, so we both picked the game right, though.
[00:58:45] Speaker A: This was another one, though. Just like the fits and the Bills and the that. As I was watching, I was going, man, if they would have probably destroyed this team.
But yeah, this was wild, unexpected. Huntley played a really good game to have a chance to win it because I thought for sure this was going to be a game that Joe Burr was going to be pretty cold.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: Just so we both picked that one, right? So let's go ahead and head over to the NFC side of things.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: I don't know what I'm saying. Joe Burr is cold.
[00:59:20] Speaker B: I just cut you off. I don't care.
You calling him Joe Cool? Is that where you're trying to go?
[00:59:25] Speaker A: I don't know. Fills and bits.
[00:59:28] Speaker B: So on the NFC side of things, the Eagles got the buy this week, so we didn't see them. But the Seahawks were at the 49 ERs.
Not a lot of note happened in this game, to tell you the truth. The Seahawks did come to play in the first half. They were up 1716 at halftime, which was kind of a surprise. But then the 49 ERs got it together and ran away with it in the second half. Got an easy win, 41 23. The only real note that I have. Brock Purdy continued his solid play. He was 18 of 30 for 332 yards and three touchdowns to no interceptions, and he also rushed for 16 yards and another score. So just coming with that big Brock energy, I saw that going differently in my mind.
[01:00:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I think there's two things to note in this game. One, Brock Purdy's performance was astronomically good.
I mean, 18 to 33, 32, and three touchdowns. Like, who is this guy? Where did he come from?
[01:00:24] Speaker B: I don't know. He really sent Jimmy Garoppolo packing, though. He was out of town. And for that matter, what's his face?
Trey Lance, that guy. We forgot his name already because Brock Purdy is here to stay.
[01:00:38] Speaker A: That's why you take that first contract.
[01:00:39] Speaker B: Yes, exactly.
[01:00:41] Speaker A: But the other thing I think that was of note was this game was 17 to 16 and a half, and I think there was only one score made in the third quarter. So I think the Seahawks were up by one score to start the fourth quarter. And then the 49 ERs scored 18 points in the fourth quarter. So if you ever looked at a box score like that's a lot you don't normally see 18 in one quarter.
[01:01:04] Speaker B: Just blew the doors off at the end.
[01:01:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:01:07] Speaker B: So, yeah, we both picked that one right, though. And then we got the Giants at the Vikings. As I predicted, the Vikings luck finally ran out. They've had a terrible point differential all year and their luck finally ran out and they got beaten by the Giants.
And really, it wasn't even that close. I know the score ended up fairly close, but it wasn't even that close. They trailed basically the entire game after the first ten minutes, had no answer for Danny Dimes from the Giants, who went 24 of 35 for 301 and two touchdowns to no interceptions. And I will say before you get into your thoughts here, you mentioned Kirk Cousins being a decent quarterback in the playoffs this weekend. Kirk Cousins made about the most Kirk Cousins throw you could possibly imagine on fourth and eight with a minute and 44 to go in the game on the line in the fourth quarter.
Fourth and eight, a minute, 44 to go, game on the line. He throws a three yard out to his tight end.
Tackled instantly. They lose, it's over.
[01:02:09] Speaker A: Thank you for reminding me of that. Clearly, I was watching that last two minutes of this game and you were.
[01:02:16] Speaker B: Scratching your head like the rest of America.
[01:02:18] Speaker A: Like, what was that with hope? Because I did pick the Vikings to win this game. And I thought Kirk Cousins got this.
[01:02:26] Speaker B: No.
[01:02:27] Speaker A: And then he did.
[01:02:29] Speaker B: Here's the deal. The 2022 Vikings will go down as the worst 13 win team in history. The Browns might even have been able to beat them this year.
[01:02:38] Speaker A: I mean, that's true.
What can you do their team again? Think about it on paper rosters, and you have Dalvin Cook and you have Justin Jefferson and Kirk Cousins is whatever Kirk Cousins is. And then there's nothing really else on that team that you go, yeah, they're a 13 win team.
But I think the, the story coming out of this game, obviously outside the Kurt Cousins throw, which was the most Kurt Cousins throw of all time, was just the emergence of Kurt Cousins throw, by the way.
[01:03:13] Speaker B: You like that?
No, nobody liked it.
[01:03:18] Speaker A: Of, what did you call him? Danny Dimes. Yeah, he had a tremendous game, and that was the first time that I had watched him and thought, this guy, he might be okay. He might be okay. I mean, I've seen a couple of other Giants games this year and it didn't walk away super impressed.
He made a lot of plays with his feet in this game and his throws were on time. And he's throwing dimes, he was dropping dimes.
And so I think if he didn't play that well, obviously, I think the Vikings would have won. That's why I picked them. I didn't anticipate Danny Dimes coming out and looking so good.
Final thought on Daniel Jones.
Probably feels bad to be Baker Mayfield today.
[01:04:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
[01:04:12] Speaker A: After his text on draft night or whatever he tweeted or whatever about, I thought we were trying to win or something when they drafted him.
[01:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:04:23] Speaker A: Bad take Baker.
[01:04:24] Speaker B: Baker. That should just be his nickname. Bad take Baker.
[01:04:27] Speaker A: Bad Taker Baker.
[01:04:29] Speaker B: But in the same vein of what you were saying about kind of discovering Danny Dimes and how good he could be, Saquon Barkley came out after the game and said, well, I know we've got an elite quarterback. Listen, Saquon, take it easy there, speed Racer.
You have one good game in the playoffs. You don't need to get overly excited. Elite is a word that we're not going to throw around with good old Danny Dimes right now. Yeah.
[01:04:54] Speaker A: I mean, look, did he have an elite performance in this game? Sure.
But is he an elite quarterback?
I will give you that. He might be a good quarterback someday, but he's not even quite there yet. So to put him in the Elite conversation is a little foolhardy at this point.
[01:05:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So I picked that one right. You picked it wrong.
[01:05:15] Speaker A: Thank you.
[01:05:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So that'll take us to the Cowboys at the Buccaneers. Yeah. Somehow the Buccaneers ended up with a home game even though there were under 500.
[01:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah. They are trash.
[01:05:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And they lost to the Browns, so they really are trash.
[01:05:29] Speaker A: That's the biggest thing. They lost to the Browns.
[01:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah. But anyways, the Cowboys took care of the, took the garbage out this week and got rid of the goat. The garbage goat. The goat. Garbage. The garbage goat.
[01:05:43] Speaker A: We had a T shirt guy. We have so many T shirts.
[01:05:47] Speaker B: But there you go. You finally got a win and kept me from going undefeated this week.
[01:05:52] Speaker A: Thank you.
[01:05:53] Speaker B: And feels bad for me.
[01:05:55] Speaker A: I'm telling you, this Cowboys team might go all the way through.
[01:05:58] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe. WE'll see.
So both of our Super bowl picks are still in the playoffs. Mine played this week, yours did not.
[01:06:10] Speaker A: Undefeated this week. You still sticking with the Eagles fly? Eagles fly.
[01:06:16] Speaker B: All right. I'm sticking with the Bills.
[01:06:17] Speaker A: So they're going to lose.
[01:06:18] Speaker B: That'll take us to the updated playoff picture.
[01:06:25] Speaker A: We really need a better name for that segment.
[01:06:30] Speaker B: I don't know. Who cares?
[01:06:32] Speaker A: Playoff Birdie.
[01:06:33] Speaker B: Anyway, so the AFC side of things, we've got the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals and Jaguars still in it. We've got the Chargers eliminated, Ravens eliminated, Dolphins eliminated.
[01:06:47] Speaker A: I can't spell anymore either.
[01:06:49] Speaker B: All right. And so on the NFC side of things, we've got the Eagles 49 ers, Buccaneers and Cowboys still in this. No, that's wrong. We got the Eagles 49 ers, Vikings and Buccaneers.
[01:07:05] Speaker A: No.
Who wrote this?
[01:07:08] Speaker B: We've got Eagles 49 ers, Giants and Cowboys.
Which leaves us with the Vikings eliminated.
[01:07:20] Speaker A: Buccaneers eliminated.
[01:07:22] Speaker B: Eliminated. And the Seahawks eliminated.
So, yeah. So that'll take us to the divisional round preview.
[01:07:49] Speaker A: Ladies and gentlemen, the man who puts the yawn in gonorrhea.
I was actually just like butt fumbled about that. So that whole segment was just to say who is still in playoffs?
[01:08:09] Speaker B: We could probably just cut it. I don't care.
In the AFC divisional round, we've got the Jaguars at the Chiefs. Kenny, who do you got?
[01:08:18] Speaker A: I thought it was all one segment.
Divisional round. Oh, God. The Jaguars are going to get slaughtered.
[01:08:26] Speaker B: I agree. We've both got the Chiefs in this one, Cincinnati.
[01:08:29] Speaker A: But I will say this, if Trevor Lawrence beats the Chiefs this week, he's a ride. I'm officially a believer.
[01:08:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I might pick them for the Super.
[01:08:36] Speaker A: If he throws six interceptions in the first half, that would be incredible.
[01:08:42] Speaker B: Cincinnati at Buffalo. In Atlanta. By the way, who do you got? I think that's in Atlanta. Is that the Chiefs in Buffalo? That's going to be in Atlanta. I think it's the Chiefs in Buffalo. So Cincinnati at Buffalo. This one is at Buffalo.
It's at Buffalo.
[01:08:54] Speaker A: Do we know where they're playing?
[01:08:55] Speaker B: It's at Buffalo. Who do you got?
[01:08:58] Speaker A: I'm going to go Buffalo in This one. I think Buffalo is the better team. I think they probably survive one more week until they get stopped.
[01:09:05] Speaker B: Until they survive another week and then go on to win the Super Bowl.
[01:09:08] Speaker A: Until they get stopped by the Chiefs.
[01:09:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:09:10] Speaker A: They can't run the ball.
[01:09:11] Speaker B: Buffalo is going to win, bottom line.
And then that'll take us over to the NFC. Giants at Eagles. Who do you got?
[01:09:19] Speaker A: I guess I had to pick the Eagles.
They can't go to the Super bowl otherwise.
[01:09:24] Speaker B: I've also got the Eagles, although I did struggle with this. The Giants are playing well, so I considered picking them, but I'm going with the Eagles.
[01:09:31] Speaker A: Danny Dimes is an elite now.
[01:09:32] Speaker B: Danny Dimes, he just got a great.
[01:09:34] Speaker A: Nickname and they do have a good running back in Sequoia. So all things with, with Danny Dimes, all things are possible.
[01:09:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And so finally we've got Dallas at the 49 Ers. Who do you have in this one?
[01:09:45] Speaker A: Dallas at the 49 ers. I am going to go Dallas because I think they could win the Super Bowl. Oh, boy.
[01:09:52] Speaker B: I'm going to go with the 49 ERs because Dallas is still overrated regardless of the fact that they just beat a sub 500 team. All right, so one more time. Let me remind you of the burning River Sports guest. I got line 3302-2780-8033-0227 eightyzero.
[01:10:09] Speaker A: 278080.
[01:10:10] Speaker B: Call us and talk about whatever the you want.
[01:10:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:10:15] Speaker B: Literally anything. We won't answer, but you'll be able to talk to an answering machine, and we'll put you on air if it's cool.
[01:10:23] Speaker A: Yeah, don't call us and not be.
[01:10:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Don't do that. So, Kenny, that's a wrap for our show. What can we expect next week?
[01:10:31] Speaker A: That's a. Huh?
[01:10:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it.
[01:10:33] Speaker A: Holy smokes. Look at us. Yeah, look at us go. So, obviously, we will continue to bring you the Burning river sportscast rundown every week up through, well, when the Browns play again. So we will cover all of Cleveland sports top stories, along with divisional round recap and conference championship previews for the NFL playoffs.
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[01:11:32] Speaker A: I'm pumped up now.
[01:11:34] Speaker B: Ready to start the show.
[01:11:35] Speaker A: Over. I have more energy now than I did to start the show.
[01:11:38] Speaker B: Dang.
I had to get that out.
[01:11:42] Speaker A: Fair.
[01:11:44] Speaker B: Hit me with some facts.
[01:11:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I got a couple of them for you here.
First off, this is one of the shortest shows that we've ever done, so I'm actually looking forward to these, like, playoff shows because it's just less time that I have to see you.
[01:11:58] Speaker B: F you. F them all.
[01:12:02] Speaker A: I just thought it would be important to bring up that peeing in the sink is for my hipster friend here.
[01:12:10] Speaker B: I don't do that. Who does?
[01:12:11] Speaker A: That is a totally green option.
[01:12:14] Speaker B: Fair. No water.
[01:12:15] Speaker A: So you're welcome.
[01:12:16] Speaker B: No water is used.
[01:12:17] Speaker A: Yes. Because instead of wasting 1.6 gallons of water on a flush, you just pee in the sink, and then you wash your hands in that very same sink simultaneously.
[01:12:26] Speaker B: Everything out.
[01:12:26] Speaker A: Washing down the urine.
[01:12:27] Speaker B: I'm going to start peeing in the.
[01:12:28] Speaker A: Sink and preserving nature's most precious resource.
[01:12:32] Speaker B: I'm going to start peeing in the sink when my wife asks me why. I'm going to say, it's very green.
[01:12:43] Speaker A: Why? Is your pea green?
[01:12:45] Speaker B: No.
[01:12:45] Speaker A: Is it the gonorrhea? No.
[01:12:48] Speaker B: Never mind.
[01:12:49] Speaker A: Never mind. Also, I thought this was interesting, that the University of Wisconsin, it's a cheese state, right? They make cheese there. Cheese heads. Cheese heads has done what many have tried to do and failed.
[01:13:10] Speaker B: What have they done?
[01:13:11] Speaker A: They have discovered the secret to happiness. They've literally found the happiest person alive.
And he was a 76 year old former French, I don't know, teacher or something.
[01:13:29] Speaker B: French Riviera dancer.
[01:13:33] Speaker A: He went to become a Buddhist monk.
[01:13:37] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:13:38] Speaker A: And so they hooked this guy's head up to a bunch of different sensors, like 250 sensors.
[01:13:45] Speaker B: That's a lot of sensors.
[01:13:45] Speaker A: And then they did all these testings, and they discovered, while he was meditating, what'd they find?
Gamma waves.
[01:13:53] Speaker B: Gamma radio. He's the Hulk.
[01:13:55] Speaker A: That were linked to consciousness, attention, learning, and memory at levels never before seen.
And so he says the secret to his intense and copious happiness is to stop searching for happiness and to take ten to 15 minutes a day to think about something happy. That's all you have to do.
[01:14:22] Speaker B: That's it.
[01:14:22] Speaker A: And that's what led to his gamma.
[01:14:26] Speaker B: Well, ding dang, I need to get out there and get me some gamma waves.
[01:14:31] Speaker A: So I thought that was interesting. Two more. Two more and then we'll be done. Two more.
[01:14:36] Speaker B: Our show got shorter, but this segment got longer. I don't understand.
[01:14:40] Speaker A: This one's a short one.
[01:14:40] Speaker B: It's literally a side off.
[01:14:42] Speaker A: What's Ohio known for? Buckeyes after that. Like, if you just said to somebody from, like, Texas, what's in Ohio?
[01:14:53] Speaker B: Corn.
[01:14:54] Speaker A: Corn.
[01:14:54] Speaker B: Right.
[01:14:54] Speaker A: Because there's lots of farms here.
[01:14:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
Some people out there probably listen to this. They're like corn because they've never been to Ohio or don't know what Ohio is all about. Corn.
[01:15:04] Speaker A: Our friends in the UK and in Brazil that are downloading the podcast. Yeah. They don't know.
[01:15:08] Speaker B: Yeah. They have no idea there's corn here.
[01:15:09] Speaker A: We have three cities. Yes. Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland. And corn.
[01:15:14] Speaker B: We have four areas. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, corn, and corn.
[01:15:19] Speaker A: They all start with C. And so if you're driving. So first off, if you're watching, it's corn. What does this say? It says Ohio, right? Just says Ohio. Imagine the word Ohio in your mind if you're driving.
[01:15:31] Speaker B: Or imagine I'm combining gamma waves with. Come on.
[01:15:37] Speaker A: The word Ohio looks like a tractor.
[01:15:42] Speaker B: I see what you're doing there, and.
[01:15:44] Speaker A: You'Ll never not see it. As a tractor ever again. So you're welcome.
Great.
[01:15:49] Speaker B: I like that.
[01:15:50] Speaker A: One more, one more. All right. So remember when you were a kid, you used to dig holes in the yard and you used to go, holes. What a good movie, digging holes. What's this song? Shield.
[01:16:00] Speaker B: Boof.
Good old Shila Booth, back when he was old. Stanley Yellnatte.
[01:16:07] Speaker A: Stanley Elnaf. What was his little friend's name? Zero.
That's a good jam.
[01:16:12] Speaker B: That was one of the best adaptations of a book of all time. I digress. Go on.
[01:16:16] Speaker A: Because they literally copied it word for.
[01:16:18] Speaker B: Whole, like, everything they say.
[01:16:20] Speaker A: All of it, down to the dialogue. Yeah. Incredible.
[01:16:23] Speaker B: God. Another fun fact, I extended this segment even more.
[01:16:26] Speaker A: Also, Dule Hill is in it. What an all star cast.
[01:16:30] Speaker B: Incredible. I'm going to watch that tonight. I'm not.
[01:16:34] Speaker A: Final fact of the day, you were digging holes and what was always the joke, like, we're gonna dig a hole all the way to China. To China. You can dig a hole all the way through the Earth, right?
[01:16:45] Speaker B: You can't, though.
[01:16:47] Speaker A: Well, imagine you could.
[01:16:48] Speaker B: All right, I'm imagining.
[01:16:49] Speaker A: Imagine, get your gamma race, your extra levels of consciousness.
[01:16:55] Speaker B: All right.
[01:16:55] Speaker A: You dig a hole.
[01:16:56] Speaker B: I did it. I'm in China, straight through the Earth's.
[01:16:59] Speaker A: Core, all the way to the other side. And you decide now that you have this hole, what do you do?
[01:17:05] Speaker B: I'm bringing Chinese things back.
[01:17:07] Speaker A: Okay, so you're going to jump in the hole, right? Well, let's think about this for a second. What would happen if you did jump in that hole?
[01:17:15] Speaker B: You'd fall until at some point you were going up.
At what point does gravity flip?
[01:17:25] Speaker A: You're using your big head. So the first thing that would happen is you'd be totally vaporized because it's really hot down there. Wow. Incredible. But good fact. Let's say, what was the point of this whole?
But let's say you didn't give.
[01:17:46] Speaker B: Totally vaporized. End of story.
[01:17:49] Speaker A: Let's say you didn't get vaporized. Get a magic bubble or a suit. You didn't get vaporized.
[01:17:53] Speaker B: All right, have a med.
[01:17:56] Speaker A: Eventually, as you got closer and closer to the Earth's crust, worst part of the Earth. On the other side of your hole.
On the other side of the hole, your velocity would start to decrease as you just atmosphere and gravity.
You're getting it, you're getting it. So eventually, as you got to the orifice of your hole, you would, when you got there, be at zero velocity.
[01:18:26] Speaker B: And then you turn around and go back.
[01:18:28] Speaker A: So you would want to grab something quickly, because if you did not, you would just Oscillate in perpetuity in your hole forever.
And it takes roughly 90 minutes to make it from one side of the Earth to the other, about the same time it takes a spaceship to orbit the Earth. So you just take a 90 minutes trip all the way to the other.
[01:18:53] Speaker B: It takes a spaceship minutes to go.
[01:18:56] Speaker A: Around the world they want to go around. Yeah. Gravity is crazy, man. Space is nuts.
But. So if you didn't get vaporized, this segment, if you didn't get vaporized, you would spend 90 minutes flying to the other side, flying to China. And if you either get there and you hold on so you can get out because you're at zero velocity, or if you don't hold on, you just fly back and forth forever.
[01:19:16] Speaker B: That's a problem.
[01:19:17] Speaker A: Which is a problem.
Who wrote this show? Which is a problem. Don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[01:19:24] Speaker B: And only you can prevent. River fires, burning river sports gas, burning river, burning river.
What a crazy segment.
[01:19:39] Speaker A: It was good, though. That was a pretty good segment.
[01:19:44] Speaker B: Fine. Well, it was allegorical.
[01:19:46] Speaker A: No, we won't hold that against you. That's for each man to decide for himself.
Samsonite. I was way off. Death smiles at us. All a man can do is smile back.
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[01:20:26] Speaker A: Ish.
[01:20:26] Speaker B: Great by itself on the rocks or in a Manhattan. I know I prefer it neat. Topath bourbon.
