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[00:00:25] Speaker A: It's time time for the Burning River Sportscast.
It's bye week, so we'll break it all down for you right now. Welcome into a very special post game live by week edition of the Burning River Sportscast presented by the fine folks at Tappin Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. Joining me tonight, Red Hot Ronnie Jams and the Big Bone man. The trio, the triumvirate that will be heading with true fan travel on their way to New Orleans this week. Gentlemen, how are you?
[00:00:54] Speaker B: I'm fantastic.
[00:00:55] Speaker C: Doing well.
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Guys, this week is finally here. I'm pretty excited about this.
[00:03:05] Speaker A: I'm ready to go, baby. Heck, yes.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: What's. What's the number one thing you guys are both looking forward to?
[00:03:12] Speaker A: Beignets.
Beignets.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Hell yes. I'm trying. Can we try at least like, seven different beignets?
[00:03:19] Speaker A: I'm gonna cover Bo with powdered sugar and make him the bone.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: The bony.
I love it. I love it. Bone, what are you excited about becoming the bonier.
[00:03:34] Speaker C: That's a new. That's new for me. But po boys. I don't know. Crawfish. Maybe I'll slurp a crawfish out of his shell. I'm into that.
Maybe an oyster. Maybe a gator. A gator sandwich.
Oh, yeah.
I'm excited to check out the. Check out the town. I think I'm the second oldest one of like the second oldest, like, little town areas in the country or something. I don't know. I don't know. I forget studying.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: Very old bone's been studied. He's like, I need to know everything about New Orleans before we go.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: He's a New Orleans historian.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: He's an actual historian.
[00:04:19] Speaker A: Yeah, he is an actual guy. It's true.
[00:04:21] Speaker C: The French owned it. The Spanish owned it. The native Americans owned it. We own it now. So, I mean, there's all types of stuff down, all types of culture.
[00:04:28] Speaker B: He knows everything. He's just taking you through a quick history of New Orleans. But I'm. I was excited.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: They should have contracted Bone to give tours of the city.
[00:04:39] Speaker B: Give tours? Yeah. I like that.
I was really excited for the food beyond the beignets, but now all I can think about is bone.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: Don't go to sleep, mom.
[00:04:52] Speaker C: Wake up a bone yet with powdered.
[00:04:56] Speaker B: Sugar, man, if he's going to wake up and he's going to be like, wait a second.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: Why am I so sticky?
[00:05:08] Speaker B: This show is getting wild already.
Listen, on today's show, this is what you can look forward to. We got a recap of the Browns bye week, which was pretty uneventful, but we'll recap it anyways. Recap of the season to this point, how we're feeling about the Browns right now, where we think this team is heading after the buy and beyond. And I'm sure there's going to be more. So let's jump right into it and get Things started by reminding everyone to.
[00:05:29] Speaker C: Call the what Burning river hot take hotline.
[00:05:33] Speaker B: He didn't even say it right. The Burning River Sportscast hot take hotline. It's a bad job out of you, Bone.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: Do you.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Are you even on the show?
[00:05:41] Speaker C: I usually don't say that, so I probably should have kept my mouth shut.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: It's on the screen.
[00:05:48] Speaker C: I'm on my phone. I don't see this stuff that I don't see everything you guys see.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Oh, God.
But yeah, let's. If you guys have hot takes, go ahead and call the hot take hotline. It's 3-30-227. 80, 80. Call and leave those hot takes on the hot take hotline. We will put them on air and we will talk about them.
It'll be a lot of fun. So give us a call. We want to hear your hot takes.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: We want your hot takes.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: We want hot takes. But with that, let's get into the bye week. Recap. So only one thing really happened, guys. Zedarius Smith and a seventh rounder were traded to Detroit for a fifth rounder and a sixth rounder. So I know we talked about on last. I know we talked about on last week's live show, and it's.
It had already kind of been announced during the game, but then it happened. You know, it was finalized on Monday. So thoughts here?
[00:06:41] Speaker A: There was a whole lot of talk, a whole lot of rumors and very little payoff.
I mean, look, I mean, from. From the fan side of me, like, look, I don't want any of these guys to leave, right? Like, you get to your team and you like your dudes and you want to keep them. I mean, the reality is that this team is in a tough spot right now and they're just simply not going to be able to run this thing back again next year without changing quite a few things. So this was the first shoe to fall.
So happy trails to Darius. I know he wasn't necessarily thrilled. I know he tweeted directly after the news broke, smh. Which was later, then deleted.
But, I mean, I'm sure he'll be happy once he gets to, you know, Detroit and gets a chance to play and gets the chance to play for a winning football team. But.
But I think he had kind of made Cleveland home and was looking forward to, you know, getting through the season with the guys.
I'm surprised, honestly, that more moves weren't made because like I said, they just, they, they're gonna. If. I mean, this was again, the first shoe to drop. So we have a whole off season for things to go wild.
And I mean, I guess the good news is from, again, from more from my like personal, from the fan side is I'm hoping we get to a point where it's not Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski in charge of making personnel decisions going forward. I mean, I'd rather have all these guys sitting around, stocked away as potential draft capital for whoever the next, you know, administration is to come in and run this organization.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And, and with the whole Zedarius thing, it just like he's kind of, like you said, it was kind of the whole, the whole bye week was just uneventful because we all knew this was happening before it happened and we didn't really get anything for him. But you can't because he's, you know, he's, he's only on a one year contract or whatever. It's not like that they had a lot of leverage there or anything like that.
But I saw a lot of kind of.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: Well, that's kind of what we started to mean to interrupt you, but that's kind of what we said like during the last show. Right. Is like you're not going to rebuild this franchise by trading away at guys like Zadarius or your Juan Thornhills or your Greg Newsoms of the world, like in order to really get significant capital back, you're going to be looking at guys like Njoku, guys like Miles, guys like Denzel, guys like Nick Chubb, you know, maybe even some of your interior linemen, guys like Wyatt Teller. I don' you know, Antonio, I'm still probably, sure would probably still fetch a decent sum for somebody looking to solidify their line. That was a good football team that needed a one year rental out of an All Pro.
But you're just not draft capital out of. Yeah, I mean, Wyatt Teller's another guy that I think Capital Four, so. But it's going to be those big name guys that, that when you're thinking about rebuilding the franchise, they're going to have to go.
[00:09:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And where I was going with that was just that Miles Garrett was one that we threw out last week that said none of us want him to go. That's not what we're saying. That's not what we're saying at all. But if you, if, if the, if we get to the off season and the goal going forward is going to be a complete rebuild, he's somebody that probably should have been unloaded at the, at the trade deadline so you could maximize return for him. I mean, He's. He's going to be worth more. The only way that he's worth more at the end of the year than he is right now is if he wins another Defensive player of the year, which the Browns are so bad, that's probably not happening.
[00:10:24] Speaker A: So, I mean, what's interesting is it sounded like there was plenty of activity. I mean, it didn't. It wasn't like nobody was calling on these guys.
They just didn't make the moves for whatever reason, so. And maybe that is Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski thinking, you know, they need to win a few games here to protect their jobs if they're going to be here next year. So it doesn't make sense to unload right now.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is also fair because if they don't win a few more games, they definitely will be gone.
But I just don't understand. Like you. You mentioned in joke, it was another one. Him and Miles Garrett both like, again, I don't want. I don't want either of them traded. I'd rather they just be here and the Browns be good and we don't have to trade them. But the bottom line is both of Those guys are 28. They're coming up on that magic number in the NFL of 30 to where, you know, it's kind of a coin flip after that if they're going to stay at a dominant level or if it's all going to go downhill.
And I just. I mean. Yeah. That neither of them would have been more valuable than they are right now. Like, this is the most value we would have got for them. So if. I mean, if that's the way it's trending as a full rebuild, we should have got the draft cap capital while we could.
[00:11:41] Speaker A: And again, I always just go back to. Look, I know fans don't want their favorite players traded, but the thing is, like, these guys have been stalwarts on your roster for several years now, and clearly they're not making. They're. They're not the, you know, unimpeachable difference between you and being an AFC championship football team, you know, so they're going to have to. They're here, and we're losing elsewhere for that. Right.
[00:12:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
Bone your thoughts on any of these guys and kind of just the direction of the team and what should have been or what could have been done at the trade deadline.
[00:12:22] Speaker C: Yeah, just. I guess just by all the talk, I kind of expected more, but it seems like they're running it back and just going to try to put some wins together in the second half of the season. I don't think they're going to try to bomb the season, you know, and get the number one pick or anything.
I expect Jameson to keep playing hopefully well and I think the team is going to keep trying to win games. I don't see the team giving up or the defense laying laid an egg.
Maybe it kind of sent a message that we want you guys here and we're hoping to win some football games. So. But like Kenny said, I don't know how many calls were taken or what was said to the players or I don't know. So it seems, it seems like they're, they're looking to win some games in the second half of the season.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And, and I will say this.
[00:13:12] Speaker A: Go ahead, Kenny, to Bone's point there around maybe not wanting to tank the rest of the season.
You know, they still get. I think Podesta is probably one of those guys, you know, the analytics guy in the building is probably one of those guys that's not going to be with this organization next year. Just given the futility of he better, not the whole organization. But, but I do wonder if there are analytics at play in terms of draft position because it's, it's almost like you, you're in a tougher position as having the first overall pick in the draft versus being in like the top, let's just call it seven or the top 10. You know, like you almost have more freedom if you're in the top 10 because you can go, you know, if the guy we want is there, we'll take him or we can trade back and we'll get value or we could trade up if the guy we really want is there and we need to make a move versus if you're that first overall pick, you're really pigeonholed into having to take best player on the board.
So I just wonder like again, from an analytics standpoint if they're, if they're almost looking at that thinking like, yeah, we, you know, we want to be in the mix, we want to be early on in the draft process, but it really doesn't. I mean, if you look at teams and teams that had the very first overall pick, like, how many times has it transformed their franchise the following year? Like, I, I mean, I don't, I just can't think of many off the top of my head that went from like first to, you know, worst to first because they got the first in the draft.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: It's not just, you know, having a good season that next Year, it's sustained success because you could point to players like RG3 that changed. Changed an organization overnight, but then a few years later, they're back where they were, so.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: Right.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's frustrating because just like I said, I just. I think that the Browns could have used that capital. They're going nowhere fast. And I know, Bone, you said it looks like they're just going to try and win some games the rest of the season, then run it back next year. Well, guess what? We're already the oldest team in the NFL, But I guess that whole thing does kind of fit with the Browns right now is where the definition of insanity is just doing the same things over and over again and hoping for different results. And I mean, that's what the Brown's done all season long.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: So we're the definition of blow.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: This is what we're the definition.
I mean, that's. That's factual information.
[00:15:37] Speaker A: The other thing I think we haven't. We haven't done justice with on our show all year long, and just by talk, we haven't talked about it enough, is the fact that not only is this an older roster, this is the most expensive offense in the NFL, period. I mean, by dollars and cents, it is the most expensive and it's the.
[00:15:54] Speaker B: Worst offense in the NFL, period.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: And the least effective. Yeah. I mean, geez, you talk about an absolute waste of money.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, I mean, yeah, as far as the bye week goes, besides the Zarius Smith trade, like the Browns, the bye week was very uneventful, so just nothing there.
[00:16:18] Speaker A: But side note, I don't know if any of you guys have the game on right now, but the Houston Texans red helmets are kind of fire.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: Oh, those ones are nice. I like those. Those are pretty slick red chrome. Yeah, I don't have the game on, but you guys said that the, the white helmets were interesting, too, for the Jaguars, for Jacksonville.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: It was just an interesting look for them.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah. But next up here, we're just going to get into a little bit of a season recap. I mean, we talked a little bit about it. We're going to kind of continue those discussions, first and foremost, just to get it out of the way, and we'll keep it as brief as possible. But I want to. I want to talk about desean Watson and just what I mean, more or less, I want to recap what a disappointment he's been overall because for the first time since he's been on our team, Andrew Barry came out and showed no confidence in him in a press conference and basically said, we'll see what happens when he gets healthy, but there's no guarantees he's going to play for us again.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: I mean, thank God.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you. But at this point, at this point, now that it's done and we're probably going to get, you know, he's probably not playing for the Browns again. I mean, what are your guys thoughts on the whole experiment? Do you. And I'm talking. I know it was the worst, probably hindsight being 20 20, the worst trade in NFL history, or damn near close, if not. And what I want to know is like, do you still fault them for taking the chance if they thought that was going to get them over the hump?
Either one.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: Me personally, yes, I still fault them for that. Because you, you had the makings of a playoff roster year in and year out at the, you know, remember after the divisional playoff game with the Chiefs, we kind of thought maybe the Chiefs would become our new rival. We would see them in the playoffs over and over and over again, and they would just be in battle of, you know, who can get, who can get past each other each year. Um, and, you know, Baker Mayfield is in a position now where he's leading the NFL in touchdown passes. So you can't tell me that that, like, it wasn't. It wasn't that there was a lack of talent. There was a lack of ability to coach, ability to get along, which I don't care in professional sports, like that's your job, is to figure that shit out if you have the talent there. I mean, Jesus, we'll move heaven and earth for talent. As we've saw with the desean Watson trade, they didn't care about anything else except for the fact that we thought he was a talented guy. Well, you had a talented guy here on your roster, and you guys couldn't figure out a way to make it work. So, you know, I, yeah, I absolutely hold them accountable for that. I think that's the first thing that you look back on and realize like that was your first misstep here. Guys like you really screwed up by not figuring out a way to make that work.
And since then, it's just been a comedy of continued errors and continued bad contracts and guys that haven't performed up to what you'd hope them to be. So, yeah, I mean, this whole thing is, there's a reason that they're two and seven or whatever, you know, like, it's just the culmination of a bunch of bad decision making.
And it's not only just players. Right. It's coaching staff. It's letting Bill Callahan walk, it's letting AVP go, it's bringing in Ken Dorsey.
You are the result of every decision you've ever made, period.
[00:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah, Bone thoughts on that?
[00:19:58] Speaker C: We were kind of. We're kind of told that the, the Browns did their due diligence.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: Right.
[00:20:02] Speaker C: On everything.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:04] Speaker C: With Deshaun. And it's just like, how do you not get into, like, his mental mindset? And just. It almost seems like his lack of love for football.
He was just so God awful in every aspect of his body language.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: Everything.
[00:20:21] Speaker C: Body language, everything. Never became part of the city. Just never embraced any of it, which I don't think he could because people were so standoffish with him. It was like, I hope he's good. It's like, I hope the product on the football field's okay because outside of it, there's nothing to talk about. And. Well, there was, because there was more allegations that apparently the Browns didn't know about.
So it just continued. And then the.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: There's that due diligence again.
[00:20:45] Speaker C: What was the suspension? I knew they thought he was going to get suspended, but what was it? A. Was it 8 games, 11 games or. I forget what it was, but his initial suspension was.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: What was it, 10, 11 games, I thought. Or 11 weeks? 11.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: It's over half 11 because he came back week 12 against Houston. So.
[00:21:03] Speaker C: And I don't know his injury history in Houston. I'm not sure if he ever even got injured in Houston, but it's been a show since he's been here. So his shoulder's falling off. He can't throw the ball. He can't see the field. He can't do anything. So. So it's like you want to say at one point in time he was a top five quarterback in Houston. Right. But that was three, four years ago at this point now. And it's like you'd hope our football masterminds who, you know, graduated from all these top universities could do their due diligence and maybe avoid such a trade, but it's kind of what. Where we're at.
[00:21:38] Speaker B: So, yeah.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: What'S funny too, about just they knew that the suspension was coming and it's like the whole reason that they made the move was because you were trying to convince everybody this team was built to win. Now the team is built to win now, but just not this season. Maybe next season. Like, that's not winning now. That's. That's the opposite of winning now.
[00:22:02] Speaker B: That's the opposite. Yeah. No. So my thoughts on this, guys, are kind of. Kind of two pronged here. So it's. It's. First of all, like, I don't.
If the organization at that point, if we rewind and we're at the exact same point in time. Right. Right before the desean Watson stuff goes down, if your front office, if you're telling me the only thing we're missing is a quarterback, then as far as the actual contract and everything else, like, I don't fault anybody for that. And going to get the guy you think is going to get you there. Where I do fault them is everything else that you just mentioned, Bone, and the fact that they said they did their due diligence, but if you just look at surface level, like, not even digging too far.
He held the ball longer than anybody in. In Houston. And we run a West coast offense like it's all about timing. You can't hold the ball. You got to get rid of it.
There's all these allegations that have come out. Not allegations, I should say, but. But information that's come out that said even before he, you know, was up for his free agency and everything else, or his trade, I should say, because technically we traded for him. But even before that was all kind of going on, people knew around the NFL that, that Bill O'Brien kind of had a crutch for him and designed an offense to where it was super simple. There was like, hardly any reads. He cut the field in half. He did like, he basically dumbed it down to almost a high school level to say, here you go, Deshaun Watson, you're pretty athletic now. Go do something good.
And so it's like these things, that's where the fault is. It has nothing to do with going like the city, I think in general would be very happy with them if they went all in and even if the guy didn't pan out, but he was a upstanding member of society and he at least, you know, if all indications were that he was good on the football field, and I know people say he was top five quarterback, he threw for this many yards, but they also were terrible. He was throwing it literally the entire game, every game. I mean, he does that now and he still sucks, but that's a whole other story.
But yeah, I just, I. I think that as much as they wanted to preach due diligence, there really was hardly any done here. And yet that was. I was glad you went there, Bone, because those are kind of my thoughts on the whole thing is, is if you're. If you're going to tell me you're going all in on a guy and you have done your homework, then okay, whatever, let's do it. If you think that's what's going to get us over the hump. Because guess what? If you would have won a Super bowl, everybody be pumped. If he would have just played decent. We've been in the playoffs every year, everybody be pumped. But here we are, and he's ass. And we had. We don't make the playoffs. We're one of the worst teams in the NFL and we're looking at a complete rebuild starting next year with no draft capital and no money.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: So here's the. Here's the other thing is we, we act like at times like there's some secret sauce or that this is something that's. You gotta be a genius to figure out. Right. The Browns have all these Ivy Leaguers in the building.
My due diligence on DeSean could have been done the day he said, I don't want to play for you. And it wasn't until we guaranteed the money on the contract. That's not a guy that was looking at roster and thinking, who gives me the best chance to win? That's not a guy that was looking around going, where can I be successful? That was a guy that clearly was looking at nothing else but a paycheck. Due diligence. Done.
Done.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: You don't have to be any smarter than that. Even beside.
Yeah. And to. To build off of that. I mean, he came into the building in the first press conference he had.
He sat there and he told everybody had nothing to do with the money. I love the Browns. Okay, well, why'd you say no the first time around? And you were getting ready to sign on the dotted line with Atlanta before we came back and guaranteed your contract. And you ran from Atlanta, where you were actually physically at at the time, and said, I'm gonna go sign with the Browns now.
[00:26:06] Speaker A: And the other thing too, I just think that. And this is probably the unfortunate part is, you know, I think like, I always think about this, like, personally, you're like, we all reached a point where, you know, you were a good youth football player, youth baseball player, you're good in middle school or good high school athlete, even a good college athlete at some point. For us that aren't a part of the 0.0001% of elite athletes in the world that get to play these games for a living, the game and the talent of those around you passes you by. And I think that is maybe even more so. What we're looking at with DeSean Watson is just like, at some point, I realized this is as fast as I'm ever going to be, and I'm never going to be as fast as the guys that play in College or the NFL. Like, my football career is over. I think DeSean reached a point where, physically.
And it's weird because you think, like, well, he's already there. But that doesn't mean, like, guys age out at different times. Right. I mean, there's guys that have really long careers. There's guys that have shorter careers. The average career in the NFL is like 3.2 years or whatever it is. Like, a lot of these guys come in with high hopes and aspirations. And whether it's injuries where. Whether it's just the rigor on your body and. Or it's the changing of coaches and systems and not just being able to keep up with all the things. It could be a multitude of factors, but at some point, I think the game passed him by. So it doesn't matter who was brought in to coach him or what. I think physically, he was at a point where he couldn't do what he used to be able to do. Mentally, he couldn't do what he used to be able to do. And that's the real tragedy in all this, is that you wasted draft capital, you wasted money, you wasted time, you wasted the careers of all these talented guys around you for a guy that just didn't have it anymore. I mean, I think Bone said it's been three or four years. I think, like, I'm trying to count back in my head, like, he's been with the Browns for three years. He sat out a year in Houston. It's been five years since he was a good quarterback. That's a long time.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:28:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And the Andrew Berry in the front office here in Cleveland have too big of an ego to say, we messed up and just let this team be good.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: Well, and I think part of that goes back again to the due diligence, too. Right? Like, how much physical due diligence was put into that, I can guess. Almost none. I think they watched some film together and they said, yeah, we can build a system for you here in Cleveland. I don't think they made him run the 40. I don't think they made him throw the ball from his knees. I don't think they made him throw balls through hoops and run timing drills or routes with receivers, there was nobody down there measuring those things, making sure he was still as sharp physically as he ever was. It was all about the money in the contract and scheme, and that was it.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And so I guess, I mean, with that, you know, what I want to. What I hope to do, guys. And the reason I started with this topic is because with Andrew Barry more or less saying he, you know, read between the lines in that. In that press conference, and DeSean Watson probably will never play another snap for the Cleveland Browns again, at least not starting quarterback snaps unless there's a catastrophe.
And so with that, I kind of want to just use this segment and let. I let both you guys talk and get out what you had to say, because I just want to kind of close the book on desean Watson and more or less talk about the Browns and everything else. I mean, obviously he'll still come up with contracts and stuff because he hampers everything rebuilding going for. Going forward. But, yeah, just one, one last hurrah for this whole conversation on what this whole, you know, what the Browns fans have been through, what we've all seen, you know, whether or not anything was actually done to prepare the Browns for this, all those types of things. And I. I think it's. I mean, I'm right there with you guys. I don't. I don't think any due diligence was done. I think they've put all of the fans through the wringer, and the Browns have suffered as an organization for this trade. So.
[00:30:30] Speaker A: Good bookend.
[00:30:32] Speaker B: But. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, with that, just. Let's talk about the record real quick. They're 2 and 7. Not good.
They. I think they still technically have a chance to make the playoffs, but the latest thing I saw puts them at 0.05%. They're in the hunt. Yeah. That's not 5%. Like. Like.05. That's not 5%. That's 0.05%. Wow. So less than 1%. So even if you go, you still need like, 10.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: I mean, mathematically. Right. The math still works. If you made it to 10 and 7, you probably have an outside shot. The problem is how are you getting to 10 and 7? Or, you know, how you want to get more eight games in a row.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not happening. So, I mean, just a huge, huge disappointment, obviously, of a season. We talked about it earlier in the year. This is a team that came in. Shannon Sharp picked them to go to the Super Bowl. A lot of other analysts across sports.
Sports talks, you Know, had them probably somewhere like middle of the pack, like 10 and like that 10 and 7 range that you were just talking about, Kenny, like 9 and 8 somewhere around there and potentially, you know, depending on who you talk to, some had them winning the division, make the playoffs. Some of them had. Get them getting wild cards, some of them had them just on the outside looking in, but nobody, nobody had them at 2 and 7 at the buy and basically the season being over. So complete disappointment, complete waste of talent and just guys, it's. It's been hard to watch.
[00:32:12] Speaker A: I was glad I didn't have to watch them today.
[00:32:16] Speaker B: This is the best part about bye week.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: I needed. I needed a little bit of a break to kind of regroup and get my mind right for going to New Orleans this week to watch them.
[00:32:27] Speaker B: It is weird, isn't it? You went from like the beginning of the season, we had those same hopes as everybody. And now going into the second half of the season, you almost. You had. You needed the bye week to mentally prepare for the suck that's coming, right?
[00:32:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's not gonna, it's not gonna get any better from here on out. I mean, I think, look, I think that they stand a better chance of winning some games here through the rest of the season with James at quarterback. Even if they end up going the DTR route at some point here, I still think he gives you a better chance to win than desean ever did. So they'll win a games down the stretch. It's just a matter of like, do they win two or are they going to win three or four and like, try and make this a respectable effort on the season. Because I really think if this team flames out the rest of the way and wins one game down the stretch here and they finish 3 and 14 or whatever, 4 and 13, there's no way you can bring these guys back next year and not the entire coaching staff. I mean, the entire admin has to go. I mean, to tell me you made this move. We did all these things to win now and you're 4 and 13.
Like that doesn't jive.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah. The only way a bunch of these players and some of the coaches come back is they have to. I would say we're two and seven now.
You got eight games left. You probably. You have to win probably at least four, if not five of them in order for a significant portion of this roster and this coaching staff to come back.
[00:34:07] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, can you go the Mangini route and you win the last like four weeks of the season. You go into the off season feeling like you have some momentum because you won four games in a row or you kind of had some things finally figured out. But I just think the chances that are very little.
It'll be real interesting to see how they, how they navigate Nick Chubb and his return on the season because I just think if he's a part of the future plan, like, I don't know that there's a whole lot of reason to have him out there. A whole lot. As much as I want to see him as a fan, I think, I think there's some work that needs to be done. I think he needs, he needs some work just to get back in the swing of playing football on that. But, you know, I think that that role starts to become very limited throughout the rest of the year. You know, Instead of getting 15 to 20 carries, is this a guy that's now going to get, you know, six to during the week and you rely on some of these younger guys to really carry the load because you're just not, you're just not going anywhere and you would rather not risk putting more miles on this guy than need be if he's going to be here next year.
Another contract conversation, I think with Nick Chubb too, right? I mean that's going to be an off season discussion. So we'll see all together or whether or not he's even a part of their plan.
[00:35:32] Speaker B: Yep. No, and I mean Nick Chubb was, was on here just as topics to talk about for the same reason. So you kind of just, you know, you said everything that I wanted to go over as usage the rest of the year and what, what we're going to do in the off season. So we could talk a little bit more about him in just a minute.
For this season so far, I just want to point out that, you know, everybody likes to talk about Andrew Berry and how he makes great moves on paper and this, that and the other thing.
He's terrible drafter. Absolutely God awful kind of the two. Not that we've had a lot of draft picks because, you know, of his decision to get desean Watson. Sorry, sorry. So I went back there already but bookend.
But the top, you know, some of the top picks in the draft this past year are Mike hall and Zach Zinter. And I know Zach Zenter hasn't got a ton of playing time yet. Mike hall, though, I mean domestic issues early on, suspended for the first four or six games, whatever it was, came back, has done. He's had A made a few plays here and there, but overall hasn't really, you know, lit it up or done anything really. So just add two more to the list, the growing list of players that haven't done anything.
And then the thing is really the only one.
[00:36:49] Speaker A: You kind of said it like, it feels like every time there's a move made, regardless of what it is, whether it's a contract restructure or a new player coming in or even somebody leaving, you know, addition through subtraction, it's like we all go, oh, yeah, you know, trust in Andrew Berry. The only thing Andrew Berry has done well is navigate the cap problem he created with desean Watson. Because we're looking at a lot of, a lot of cases. You'd be like, well, you really can't make any moves because you're so hampered by the cap. Somehow some way he's figured out a way to move money around and continue to make, continue making moves. That's all that he's done well, though, is navigate the cap. And the cap wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for his decisions previously. So, I mean, it's like, it's like crap it on the floor and clean it up yourself. Like, hey, I clean up the crap. Well, you, you crapped on the floor, man.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: Yeah, you don't get, you don't get points for cleaning up your own mess.
[00:37:46] Speaker A: No, no, it's your own problem.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: Bone. I saw, I saw, I saw the gears turning.
[00:37:54] Speaker C: I would say, yeah, his, his drafting has been God awful. I will say. Maybe you could give him credit for bringing in a few free agents. Zidarius Smith, Clowney.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: Smith is gone now though.
[00:38:06] Speaker C: So there's been a couple players I feel like he's brought in that have contributed to success in the past. But I don't know as far as draft capital, you J. Okay.
[00:38:19] Speaker B: Basically his only claims to fame in the draft so far. J. Okay. And Del Pit. And the only ones that are maybes at this point are Dwan Jones and Cedric Tillman. It's still too early to tell for both of them. I think Dwan Jones had a great rookie year this year. He came in the first part of the season. He was complete ass until they moved him to left tackle and he's done a lot better on that side. And then Cedric Tillman finally has played well because Amari Cooper is not here anymore. But if you have better receivers, because let's look at, I mean, you look at our receiver room right now, it's not great. So if you have Better receivers. Is Cedric Tillman playing the way he's playing now? I don't know. That's debatable. But maybe he is and maybe he is going to be good. But that's one. Like I said, too early to tell for him and Duan Jones both, I think. So at this point you've got two. You've got Grant Delpit and you've got J. Okay, sure. It's not good.
So yeah, and then, and then just, you know, you talked about.
[00:39:16] Speaker A: Was Delpit a berry pick?
[00:39:19] Speaker B: I believe so. I believe that was one of his first ones.
[00:39:21] Speaker C: He was hurt the first like two years he was on our team.
[00:39:26] Speaker B: I, I thought he was one of the first ones. I could, I guess I could be mistaken. Bone, where's our, where's our board, man? Bone, I can't look it up.
We need a statistician immediately. I'm just a guy that just goes.
[00:39:42] Speaker C: Through and I feel like he was.
I feel like he was pick.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: That was 2020. So I'm trying to think that would either been right at the end of John Dorsey.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: I think it was Barry. I think it was Barry's. One of his.
Doesn't matter. I think, I mean it does matter. It was one of his first picks. I'm almost positive it was the first draft that he did. He got, he got, got Delpit in and we thought Delpit was going to be a bus too because he was hurt his first couple years in the, in the league, so. And then he finally, finally came on. But no, I mean, Bone, you mentioned some of the other. You mentioned that he's been okay free agency wise and he's, he's picked up a couple decent depth players that have helped us along the way. But overall, I mean, look at the team this year. What are all those free agents doing for us? You got Juan Thornhill out there just busting coverages left and right.
You've got all these depth pieces at offensive line and defensive line. Well, you know, we're not doing much either of those places. So what are they actually doing for us?
Kenny looks so distracted.
[00:40:48] Speaker A: Sorry. Down. Just down the rabbit hole. Going through every draft pick, injury.
[00:40:52] Speaker B: Stop it. We got a show to do, man. Yeah, you can't. We got a show to do. Stop it.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: Some real player we've had.
[00:41:00] Speaker C: It's come from, from Dorsey.
[00:41:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean sustained, real successful. Yes.
[00:41:05] Speaker A: Some real winners in here. Jordan Elliot, Jacob Phillips, Harrison Bryant.
Yeah, it's good. Donna. People's Jones.
[00:41:14] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. Like, like honestly, his his free agency has been okay at best. If you really look at it like, it's not been great.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: Kenny's point.
[00:41:25] Speaker B: Yeah. What. What Andrew Barry is best at is moving numbers, is moving decimal points. That is what he's good at.
[00:41:32] Speaker A: Oh, he's great at that.
[00:41:33] Speaker C: He's a good public speaker.
[00:41:36] Speaker B: I think he's average at best. He just kind of repeats the same four things over and over again.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: He's amazing.
[00:41:44] Speaker B: Kevin Stefanski, both. It's like, you could. I'm pretty sure Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefanski, you could predict their press conference before they have it.
It's the same things over and over again.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Stefanski's has been the same every week of the season. This is on me. I gotta call better, do better to.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Do a better job. I got to call better plays. I got to put our guys in a better position to win.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: Like, at what point does that. Does that. Like, at what point are we. Like, yeah, Kevin, you should call better. You should do better.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: I think. I think going forward, every time I don't hit my sales goal at my day job, I'm just going to go in and be like, that's on me. I got to do better, do better. I got to put my customers in a better position to win.
Please just see how it goes over. I just want to see what my leaders in my company think of me. Just. Just saying. Yep, that's all me. I'm a terrible salesperson.
[00:42:39] Speaker A: I just gotta do a better job during the week prepping for these sales calls. You know, I'm just. I just wasn't. Yeah, didn't do it right.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: If I would do better, we would be better.
[00:42:49] Speaker A: We would have more sales, but we don't.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. So, guys, what can. What can we expect the rest of the season and beyond? Let's start with Jameis Winston here. You think he actually is going to start the rest of the season, or do you think they're going to switch to DTR at some point?
[00:43:08] Speaker A: I think he starts the rest of the season, and mostly because I think they try to win as many games here down the stretch as possible. I think once you go to dtr, you kind of signal the white flag entirely, and everybody knows kind of what this is.
You still have a lot of veteran guys on this team, guys that are playing for contracts, guys that are playing maybe to play somewhere else next year. Playing for pride, whatever it is, that you don't want to go that far yet. Now if you get to the point where you Continue to lose games, and you get into December and you got three games left and you go, yeah, we're not going to win any of these three games. You might as well see what we have in dtr then. Let's get some more tape on this guy. Great. But I just think that they're in a position where they have. Have screwed this thing up so badly, they have to try and redeem themselves by winning a few games down the stretch. So they can at least say, you know, we were really close to being competitive. It was just, you know, we were hampered by desean. Turns out, desean, that was a big, big goof and we're going to have to fix that in the off season. And we still think if we get the quarterback right, then this team has a chance to do some special things. I mean, I think that's the only hope they have of sticking around next year. So I can't imagine a scenario, really, in which DTR gets to play unless just, again, all hope is entirely lost on the season and they just can't win another game the rest of the way.
[00:44:37] Speaker B: Yeah, Bone. Thoughts?
[00:44:39] Speaker C: I. Yeah, I agree with Kenny. I think Jamis will continue to play unless he gets hurt and kind of going into kind of coaching for your job. I feel like we haven't heard anything, like, nationally or even, like, local media even talking about that.
[00:44:52] Speaker B: He was number five on the hot seat on espn, I believe.
[00:44:56] Speaker C: Oh, really? Okay.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. I think he finally made the graphic of the top five coaches on the hot seat right before the.
[00:45:03] Speaker C: Maybe even more so. Like, local media, like, nobody's calling for Stefani's job.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: I will say this, Bone, the top five, that was actually the week before, like going into the week when desean got hurt. Since then, it's kind of disappeared. It's almost like, like, well, deshawn got hurt, so you gotta pass now. Which I don't understand because. But because we're a better team now.
[00:45:24] Speaker C: But my point is, I. We have Mike Rabel on this, like, coaching staff, organization. I feel like Stefani has to be looking over his shoulder. Unless they're just buddies or something. But Mike. I mean, Mike Rabel is beloved in Ohio. So I just. I just feel like that's just somebody's that's been there and nobody really talks about him, but I feel like he's somebody who could step in right away and make an impact on this team. So I think Stefanski knows that. And not to mention Jim Schwartz, I feel like, is still beloved by his defensive players and the city loves Jim Schwartz at this point still as well. So I feel like that's got to be some pressure just right there as a head coach.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with that. And so for the Jameis Winston thing.
Go ahead, Kenny, as you can said.
[00:46:10] Speaker A: That'S actually a really good point. I think if you're in a position where you don't want to make wholesale changes and you don't, you're not ready to part with Miles, you're not ready to part with Zell, you're not ready to part chub all these guys and just rebuild this team.
That is maybe the one way they could get away with it. Saying, hey, look, we're going to make changes at the top of the house and V's going to come in and we're going to run this back with a lot of the same guys and make a few small changes here and there, but we're not that far off outside of just blowing it up. That's actually a really good point.
[00:46:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And I agree with that with Rabel. I think you're. You're right. Everybody in Ohio loves him.
And I think everybody loves Jim Schwartz still, too, because as bad as his team has been, I think you could at least see the fight in the defense for the most part. Occasionally the DBs make us look silly, but overall, I think you can still see the fight in the defense. So I. I would agree with you there. But as far as the Jameson goes.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: I was gonna say, too, some of the biggest pops. Some of the biggest pops and cheers at Brown's camp this year were when Variable came out in the field.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: Yeah, you were there.
[00:47:22] Speaker A: That was, you know, that was the one thing fans were. Oh, there's Mike Rainbow.
[00:47:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:29] Speaker B: Yep. And so, yeah, I mean, it is a good point. And I. I mean, I think we can all agree here pretty quickly. I would not mind him with. With the title HC in front of his name for the Cleveland Brown, do it now.
[00:47:45] Speaker A: Do it now.
[00:47:45] Speaker B: But with that being said, with that being said, the whole James thing, I think he starts the rest of the year, too. And I just wanted to throw this out there as a stat that Kenny gave. You know, we've been tracking. He gave me a stat before we got on today. We've been tracking Deshaun Watson's time to throw all year because everybody likes to talk about the line. Has let desean Watson down all season long and this, that, and the other. But he had the seventh best time to throw, and I know I'm bringing him up again. But it's just to illustrate the fact that he had the seventh best time to throw. Well, put James Winston in there. And he now has the seventh worst time to throw.
And so Jameis Winston is getting no time. And yet in every game that he's played so far, he has thrown for more yards than desean Watson average. So, and, and Jameson, one good game.
[00:48:35] Speaker A: And one bad game. Right. I mean, so bad game, he still.
[00:48:39] Speaker B: Threw for more yards than desean for more yards.
[00:48:42] Speaker A: Right. So. And with. With less time to throw.
[00:48:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:45] Speaker A: I mean, that was the excuse we heard all year long was, oh, the line, the line. The line's not, you know, Deshaun's running for his life, blah, blah, blah. You know, Desean had time to throw, plenty of it. Top 10, time to throw. James says top or bottom 10, time to throw. And he's still thrown for more yards. And he at least had one really f game already on the season in two starts. So.
Yeah, make your own conclusion, guys.
[00:49:09] Speaker B: I'm actually.
[00:49:09] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: Right. And I'm gonna move the. The Nick Chubb topic. We'll talk more about Nick Chubb on our Thursday show. And just kind of what we think going forward with him, whether or not he's going to be on the roster, not going into next season. But real quick here, win losses at the end of the season. Where do you see the Browns? We're going to start with bone.
[00:49:31] Speaker C: Oh, man. I say we win three more games.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: So we end up five and 12 is what you're going.
[00:49:40] Speaker C: I think. I think we pick one off the Steelers. And I'm not sure about the rest of the season, but you think we're.
[00:49:46] Speaker B: Gonna win New Orleans this week?
[00:49:48] Speaker C: Yes, actually, I do, because we're going to be there. It's going to be a blast.
[00:49:52] Speaker B: And James Winston is playing his old team.
[00:49:54] Speaker C: Playing his old team. So maybe it'll be a little. A little extra. A little extra push down there.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: So nice.
[00:50:01] Speaker C: Hey, it's super dumb. It'll be fun. We're going to win this week.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Private charter flight. Just a few seats left. Make sure you get them. Kenny, what do you think the win loss is going to be at the end of the season?
[00:50:21] Speaker A: I've got the Browns winning two more games rest of the way. I got the Saints this week and Denver at the beginning of. Of December here. I think that's.
I think that's it. And really they're at mile high, so they'll probably lose that one, too. But. But those are the two that if I had to pick Just based on personnel and how the teams are playing. I think, I think Denver is not as good as how they played this year.
At least the bonex young quarterback.
But I just look at the rest of this, the schedule, and I'm like, I mean, the Steelers are grinding out every win possible because they know it's going to make the difference between the playoffs and not Ravens. Same thing.
And I just don't see the Bengals laying down because they're still trying to claw their way back. You know, you have too many division games left that matter to these teams that I don't see any way that you're going to win against a division opponent. You mentioned outside of that, you have the Chiefs.
[00:51:25] Speaker B: I was going to say you mentioned the bank. Go ahead.
[00:51:27] Speaker C: You.
[00:51:28] Speaker B: You mentioned the Bengals, Kenny, and how we know that they're not very good. Right. But Joe Burrow has played at a probably an MVP level this season, but his defense has let him down severely. And so Joe Burrow legitimately is like the best passer in the NFL right now.
[00:51:45] Speaker A: I mean, that game on Thursday night was. I know, we'll talk about it tomorrow or on Thursday's show, but that game Thursday night was incredible to watch. I mean, that was a back and forth game all night long and looks.
[00:51:55] Speaker B: Like they're playing a different game than Cleveland.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. You stole my final thought of the day. That was. My final thought was that these teams just look like they're playing a different game.
[00:52:07] Speaker B: You can still say it when we get there. Don't worry about it.
So my, my win. Loss for the rest of the season though, I've got the Browns winning.
I'm between, I'm between two numbers here. I'm gonna go with the higher. Now, I may end up changing my mind down the road, but I have them winning four more games and still finishing pretty bad at 6 and 11. So, yeah, I've got them with four more. I think they're gonna clip the Steelers once. I think they're gonna get New Orleans and then you just need two more after that. So two more after that against the.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: Dolphins and the Chiefs or the Ravens? Yeah, good luck.
[00:52:54] Speaker B: I'm gonna go four. I may drop that down to three, but I'm gonna go with four.
I was between three and four. Just so you guys know, I went with the higher number. So look, here's the thing. I'm trying to be optimistic still. We're coming out of a buy. We're coming out of a buy. So I'm trying to be as optimistic as Possible after. After this week's game. Game. If they lose to the Saints, I'm dropping it down to one more game the rest of the year.
[00:53:15] Speaker A: Just so you know, honestly, with James at quarterback, the sky is the limit. This team could go seven and one down the stretch, and I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised. I'd go, this was supposed to be a good football team, and they had a bad quarterback, and now you have one that's playing well. But it comes down to how Jameis plays. I mean, Jameis has to be perfect. If Jameis played like he played in his first start, they could win seven games. They could. That wouldn't surprise me. But if Jameis has one game where he plays not as well like he did last week, you're going to lose every one of those games. So. And I think that's just. I think that's just what Jamis is at this point in his career. Look, I love Jamis. I'm excited to watch him play football the rest of the year, but I just think he's. He's hot and cold. He's going to have. He's going to have really good moments and good games where we're like, this is the best thing ever seen. And then there's going to be games where he just. He. He is who we thought he was, you know, which was a backup quarterback.
[00:54:07] Speaker B: That's fair.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: In his. In his early 30s, you know, at the begin. Beginning of the season. Like, that's. That's why he's not a starter anywhere right now. Look, I. I like Jameis. I'm excited to watch him play. I just think that's the kind of the reality of where you're at with him.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And so my. My final question was just going to be, how high of a pick do we end up with? But that kind of correlates with how many games you. You think they're going to win. So I think we both have them or we all three have them somewhere in between, like, the six to, like, 13 range as far as picks.
So.
[00:54:38] Speaker A: You know, the interesting thing about the draft order is there's a lot of bad teams in the NFL right now.
Like, a lot.
I mean, The Dolphins are 2 and 6. The Patriots are 3 and 7. The jets are 3 and 7. Raiders are 2 and 7. The Browns are 2 and 7. The Jags are 2 and 8. Titans are 2 and 7. And that's just AFC teams.
[00:55:06] Speaker B: It's a tight race for those top picks.
[00:55:09] Speaker A: I mean, The Cowboys are 3 and 6. Giants are 2 and 8. Bears are 4 and 5. Somehow, miraculously, the Panthers are 3 and 7, Saints are 3 and 7. There's a bunch of teams that are going to be competing for that top pick in the draft next year.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And so with that, though, guys, we'll get into a lot more of these topics as the season unfolds because guess what? I have a feeling a lot of these games aren't going to be that exciting and we're going to need more things to talk about, so that's what we'll be doing.
But final thoughts for the day. We'll go ahead and start with Kenny since I stole his thunders and it's not going to be that since he is thunder, but I stole his thunder. I stole Kenny. Thunder's thunder. Kenny, what is your final thought for this week?
[00:55:52] Speaker A: You stole my thunder. I'll give you some new thunder. My final thought is, I can't wait to go to New Orleans this week. It's going to be a hell of a time.
You know, Browns fans show up, show out, rain or shine, win or lose. I'm excited for the private charter flight. Going to be on this thing with a bunch of Browns fans just, just laying back and just having a few drinks in these in the sky and I can't wait to get on the ground there, have our little boat cruise with Kevin Mack and company and just take in all that New Orleans has to offer. It's going to be a hell of a time and I can't wait to just hang out with the boys all weekend long.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: Bone. Final thoughts.
[00:56:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I can't wait for that either, but I'm gonna leave. Leave it at this. Russell still tussles. I. I don't think he's lost the game.
[00:56:36] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:56:37] Speaker C: I don't.
[00:56:38] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Why don't you just become a Steelers fan already?
[00:56:42] Speaker C: Hey, I'm no Steelers fan, but I am Russell Wilson fan, so I wanted to shove it in your face. Ronnie jams, Russell still tussles.
[00:56:50] Speaker B: This is. This is.
My final thoughts are this.
I can't wait to go to New Orleans. Browns fans show up, show out.
Rain or shine, we're gonna be in New Orleans with our buddies.
I tried to remember it. I tried to remember it and repeat it word for word, but it wasn't working too well.
Yes, I did steal yours because that was going to be mine anyways and you stole my thunder after I stole your thunder. So very excited for New Orleans. We're gonna have a hell of a time with True Fan Travel. Make sure like I said twice already in the show, the charter flight still has a few seats left. It's gonna be an awesome time. All Browns fan fans on that. Hanging out with the alumni that are coming. That's Christian Kirksey and Kevin Mack. Bridget Linton will be on that flight as well.
And the all your trip coordinators from True Fan Travel and us, the most important people on the trip with True Fan Travel to New Orleans. We're gonna help the Dog Pound take over the Superdome. It's gonna be a badass time and the Browns are gonna get a win. They're gonna be eating them dubs.
And so, yeah, everybody's eating doves. I don't know what Bone's doing, but let me remind everyone to call the burning of a sportscast hot take hotline. Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes one, 3022-780803-30227-808-8080 call now. We'll put you on the air.
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[00:58:36] Speaker A: What can we expect next week? I mean, this week, this week you can expect it. We'll be back on Thursday with the week 11 preview for the game against New Orleans, which we will be at with True Fan Travel. And we're working out logistics on how we can put together a live show remote next week after the game, maybe even a pre game. We're still trying to figure out details around that, but our plan will be to share some time with you sometime Sunday and next week. Likely to be live, maybe after the game, like 8 or 9 o'clock to discuss the Week 11 game against the Saints.
But we'll see what happens.
[00:59:19] Speaker B: It depends on how much we drink.
[00:59:20] Speaker A: Yeah, if we're inebriated or not, how much, you know, whether we're slurring words or if we're able to stand up straight, we'll see. But regardless, if we're just tipsy, but.
[00:59:30] Speaker B: We'Re good to go, we're going to be on, you know.
[00:59:32] Speaker A: Yeah, as long as we're good to go, it'll be fine time.
[00:59:35] Speaker B: We'll be broadcasting to nobody. I'll think I set everything up right. We'll be broadcasting to no. 1.
[00:59:41] Speaker A: We'll we'll probably at least go live once or twice just to kind of Share some of the stuff we're doing in New Orleans because I think it's gonna be a dope ass time. So be plenty of content the whole time we're down in Ronnie's mom. I'm sorry. The Big Easy.
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Damn.
I don't even know how to recover from that.
[01:00:02] Speaker A: I hope.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: I hope she's not watching.
[01:00:05] Speaker A: Love you, Cindy.
[01:00:07] Speaker B: Good lord.
I don't.
I guess. Check us out on social media. Tapping media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at the tapping media and bringing response cast. That's this podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, tick tock and YouTube at Burning River Sportscast and on X at Burning River Pod. And you can find our podcast wherever you get your podcasts. I'm talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora, iHeartRadio Pocket Cast Castro Good pods where we are a number one ranked football podcast and so many more. And I'm. What the hell, man? I'm still my mom.
[01:00:43] Speaker A: I had to do it. I had to do it. Sorry.
[01:00:46] Speaker B: I was just hanging out with her later earlier today and. And she's probably.
[01:00:50] Speaker A: So was I.
[01:00:51] Speaker B: She had no idea this was coming. She had no idea this was coming.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: She knew I was. She knew I was coming.
[01:00:58] Speaker B: Oh, God.
Well, there you have it. This is. This is on air for. This is. This is available online for the rest of my life and my mother's.
[01:01:13] Speaker A: Oh, gosh.
Love you, Cindy.
[01:01:19] Speaker B: Bone, what do you think about this?
[01:01:22] Speaker C: I gotta go to sleep.
Wife's calling me.
[01:01:25] Speaker B: So.
[01:01:25] Speaker C: Bon appetit. Good night.
[01:01:30] Speaker A: Don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[01:01:35] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
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[01:01:40] Speaker A: Burning river sports. Burning rivers. Burning rivers.
Good night, Cleveland.
[01:01:48] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:01:49] Speaker C: Good night, A.K.
[01:01:51] Speaker B: Sorry, Mom.
