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[00:00:34] Speaker A: It's time. Time for the live burning river sportscast. Raiders 20, Browns 16. We'll break it all down for you. Well, right now, welcome into a very special gameday live edition of the burning River Sportscast, presented by the fine folks at Tappn Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. Joining me today is the original strawberry blonde himself. He's red hot Ronnie jams. We are boneless today. He's doing what we all should be doing, which is spending time with our family, not watching the Browns. But back to red hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest dope they ever heard on a podcast, as well as the unofficial podcast of Cleveland Browns backers everywhere?
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Now, today on this show, this is what you can look forward to. We're going to recap the Browns game against the Raiders, give you our initial reactions, how we're feeling about the Browns at this point, which I can already tell you is not good.
And so, yeah, I mean, we're live, but we're very, very sad. So let's just go ahead and get started by reminding everybody to call the burning river sportscast hot take hotline.
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[00:03:59] Speaker A: We need hot takes.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah, there's gotta be some hot takes.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: Out there after today.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: Yeah, we know you're pissed off. If you're not pissed off, you don't have a heartbeat, and you don't root for the Browns.
The phone number to call there is 330-227-8080 again, that's 3300-2780 call now, uh, we'll. We'll put those on the air and we'll play those. Or you can leave a comment for us. Uh, and whatever we see, we'll read on the air here. Um, well, let's jump right into it. Let's get into the week four recap, um, who we started.
[00:04:32] Speaker A: I'm taking this off. I can't. I can't breathe.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: You can't do anything.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Can't breathe.
[00:04:37] Speaker B: You can't breathe. You probably should suffocate yourself, because.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Thank you. You know, be better than watching the Browns.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the point. Yeah. I mean, I just.
I'm running out of words to. To describe the pain and the anguish that we feel as Browns fans, because, remember, this is. This is a team that we came into the season with. With legitimate, like, Super bowl aspirations, according to not just like Cleveland Browns fans and hopefuls. You had Shannon sharp out there picking the Browns to go to the Super bowl.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: The roster got better. It's the same roster from a playoff team a year ago, and it got better.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: It got way better. Yet somehow here we are, just as asses.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: Ever more ass than ever.
This feels bad. This feels like one in 31 Browns.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: I mean, here's the thing. So about the one in 31, I just got a, you know, we. I posted the video of bone from our, from last week's episode, just talking about how this is as low as he's ever felt as a Browns fan. And someone commented on today and left a post on x and said, what do you mean? We went 131 and 31. Do you not remember that? And I just came back to him. I said there was no expectations on that team. It was a complete rebuild. Nothing was going on. We knew they were going to be bad. This team had Super bowl expectations.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: Well, yeah, the whole point of one in 31 was that they were building. They were building this team.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Yeah. We. They told us up front, they said, it's going to be bad the next couple of years, but it's going to be good eventually.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: So, I mean, big difference between that team and this team because, yeah, the expectations make it that much worse. And I'm with bone. Like, I just. I feel so bad watching this team.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: I was just scrolling through Twitter and obviously it's a blaze right now. I don't remember who it was.
[00:06:33] Speaker B: Might have been burn it all down.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: Might have been. Ken Carmen put it, really succinctly put. He wrote that no one did more with less in 2023 than the Browns.
No one has done less with more this year than the Browns.
I mean, it feels like the encapsulation of everything we've witnessed to this point at one and three on the season.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, I mean, I guess we can run through things here. We'll start with the quarterback because, you know, obviously, Deshaun Watson and everything that comes with them, you always got to start with the quarterback. That's where it starts and ends with this team today. He played about as fish, as efficient as he could.
Is that as good as we're going to get out of Deshaun Watson? Because sure, he was. His completion percentage was super high. Right. But he threw for like 178 yards.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Let me give you this. Cause. Cause I'm. I'm the. Probably the most critical person on the show on Deshaun Watson. Like, the. Sean Watson is not the reason you lost today.
I will admit that, like, he's not the reason you lost, but he also wasn't the reason you won a chance to win. This is as good a Deshaun Watson as you're going to get. So drink it all in, Browns fans. This was optimal performance from what Deshaun Watson is now. He was efficient with the ball, but again, did not exceed 200 yards throwing the ball. Two chances to win, game winning drives.
And those flared out again, not blaming the whole game on Deshawn, but the whole story of Deshaun is he was the guy that was supposed to overcome this. He had transcendent skill. He was supposed to cover up the ugly and the glaring mistakes, and there was plenty of ugly and plenty of glaring mistakes, and Deshawn, once again, was not able to overcome those to win a game. I honestly feel bad for him this time out because he's got a so much flak this year just for playing poorly. And this was the one game that he played. Again, this is as good as he can do.
I'll give him, like, he played as well as he can possibly play today, and the team probably let him down. The cast around him again. That being said, like, for $230 million, this was the guy that you expect last week, three chances to lead a game winning drive. Uh, this week, at least two chances to win a game winning drive. And out of those five drives, you have nothing.
[00:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it was just, here's the thing, too, is, is people, you know, as, as well as, as people are going to come out and say that Deshawn played and, you know, he's not the reason we lost and everything.
We didn't convert a third down between the very first drive and the very last drive.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: Right.
[00:09:31] Speaker B: Like, at all. We didn't complete. We didn't convert a single third down. And I know that's not all Deshaun, but he's a part of that. Um, I think a lot of that does go to Ken Dorsey and the fact that he's just God awful, we need to get rid of him as soon as possible.
[00:09:43] Speaker A: Look, like I was at break glass in case of emergency last week because I'm looking at going your, your chances of making the postseason at one and three or 14%. So I didn't want to get to this point where you're one in three.
Like, look, this team is apathetic across the board, and I don't know if it's because they've lost faith in Stefanski or they just know they're not going anywhere special with Deshawn at quarterback.
But, like, they, they look disinterested. They're undisciplined. All the things we said on the show last week, right? Like, this team, just look at their. The body language of this team on the sidelines. You got guys lounging back with their arms out like this, their heads down. You know what they look like?
They look like bad bowlers who are drunk.
That's the amount of, like, I don't care that is going on. And you know why bowlers look like that? It's because they don't care. They don't care that they're bad bowlers. But, like, that's what they look like, is a ragtag group of guys that doesn't have any idea how to bowl. And, I mean, it's. It's. It's the pre snap penalties. Again, guys like Mari Cooper not getting set at the line of scrimmage before the play, that's also on to sean not making sure his guys are ready to go.
But, yeah, like, Amari is a vet. He's 30, 30 years old. He knows better, right? Like, you got to get set before the snap.
I watched Greg Newsom on the touchdown on the end around, the old Kevin Stefanski end around. That gave us. Greg Newsom got blocked for 14 straight seconds on that play.
[00:11:15] Speaker B: Is that why.
Is that why Kevin Stefanski keeps running? It is because our offense or our defense can't stop it. He's like, this has to be a good play.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: Maybe, but like I said, like, like, I'm watching a guy, like Greg Newsome, a guy that we count on, that we believe has skill and is a good player, get blocked for 14 straight seconds, not make an attempt to shed the tackle, and ends up out of the field of play. He was blocked, like, in the blind side when they threw the kid out of the stadium. Like, he was blocked out into the chalk. Like, you're the contained guy. If you're out of bounds, you're not containing anything.
[00:11:49] Speaker B: No, no. That's the opposite of contain.
[00:11:53] Speaker A: And it's just, it's just across the board on all levels. I mean, shoot, you got out there missing extra points. How many extra points has Dustin Hopkins made in his entire life? Like, it. Those are those automatic kicks. Right? But it's the total and complete apathy of this team right now. That is not a team. It's a bunch of individuals. I don't know where. Where this thing got off the tracks from last year. Maybe there was just so much unity and belief in, like, the underdog component of like, hey, we went through DTR and went through PJ Walker and then Flacco kind of, like, put a bow on everything and was like, I'm here to save the day and rallied the troops. But, like, there's no rallying going on here. This team just looks like they don't care. And they'll go. They'll have those. The moments like the fumble return for the touchdown where you get up for a second and you're like, yes, this is it. And then Dustin Hopkins checks the field goal. Like, like that. This team has no.
Just no, like, stick to itiveness, no tenacity, no togetherness. And you have to have that on good teams. Like, this team right now is just not a serious football team. There's not a serious football team.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: No. And I just look at it like, again, we, we go back to the fact that before the season started, there was Super bowl aspirations. Like this. Forget about Super bowl. Like, this team can't even play together. They're not even middle of the pack. Like, this is possibly the worst team in the NFL right now.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: This team has first pick overall right now.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, they're still alive.
I mean, we are.
[00:13:24] Speaker A: We are four weeks in, and we're talking about needing a Browns holiday and we're talking about the draft for a team that, like you said, had literal deep postseason aspirations.
[00:13:36] Speaker B: Like Super Bowl, I guess, is a little strong. But, I mean, again, Shannon Sharp picked them to go to the Super bowl, so.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah, at least to the AFC championship game. I mean, jeez, you get there and you see what happens, but, um. But this team is just a disappointment on. On every level. And, and again, so going back to my whole point of my little spiel, there was, um. I was. I was there a week ago. I was saying, you can't go one in three. One and three is a death sentence to the team. Um, if this team doesn't. If they don't make a change this week and. And it could be a change at quarterback or it could be the firing of Ken Dorsey. Like, something needs to happen to show the. The rest of this group, the rest of this locker room that, like, what we're doing right now, the product we're putting out on the field, isn't good enough to me. I mean, Ken Dorsey seems like the easy scapegoat. This offense has never looked worse. They can't score more than 16 points a game. Which is why I correctly predicted the score. 2016. This week. I would have.
[00:14:32] Speaker B: I would have. But Dustin Hopkins missed an extra point.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: So, but we can't score more than 16 points in a game. So this team is just awful across and there needs to, they need to make a statement. And to me, it's like, kendorsey should be gone tomorrow. Whatever was, whatever was broken in this offense, they didn't fix, they made it worse. Like, go back to last year's offense. Just, just go back. Just go back. Just go back. It can't be worse.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: It can't be worse with Ken Dorsey.
If not being able to score 20 points in the first four weeks doesn't scream for his firing, I don't know what will. Because here's the other thing, is all four of those teams that we played currently giving up over 20 points per game.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Right.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: So this was average. They average giving up 20, over 20 points per game and we haven't been able to score 20 on any of them.
[00:15:23] Speaker A: This was the easy part of your schedule. Right. Like, this was the teams. He said, like, out of all the games we have, these are the kind of handful that we should be pretty successful in. You haven't played the division game yet. You haven't played the Chiefs. You haven't played. I guess, like Miami's out now because two hot, two is down. But, but, like, you haven't played really good teams yet. Shoot. What the, the Raiders came in the day was one and two. Just like you. They're not good. They didn't quarterback was going to be this week and then we, and they chose to go with Garden Mitchell. We, we literally went out and lost to the NFL's version of Joe dirt. Like, that's what we lost to today. Like, that's the guy I'm just going.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: To keep on keeping on. You know, you have no heart. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, here's the deal. As you, you mentioned it, this was supposed to be the easy part of your schedule. Well, guess what?
Washington's looming and they have what's his name down there, Jaden Daniels or whatever, and he's, he can play and we're.
[00:16:20] Speaker A: In trouble because, you know, did not look like a team early on in the season. And over the last two weeks, it's like, it's like the whole thing clicked for Jaden Daniels. He is absolutely a force.
I worry about the, the volume that they run him, whether or not he'll stay healthy. I'll like RG three. Hate to make that comparison because he played there, but like, that's scary. That's the kind of usage he's getting. So, but the thing is, he's been so successful throwing the ball out of the pocket the last two weeks, maybe they'll get away from some of the running for him because he looks amazing right now.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Just in case, in case anyone was wondering, Washington scored 42 today.
Yeah, they scored 42 today.
And the Browns played one of the worst teams in the league, a team that was averaging, was it 49 rush yards per game? And they just gave up, what is it here, 100 and where to go? They gave up 152, 152 rush yards to a team that was averaging 49.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Dead last in the league in rushing. We gave up 152 rush yards.
[00:17:30] Speaker B: So don't sit here and tell me that, you know, the, it's all the offense and the defense has nothing to do with. The defense is playing just as bad as. Maybe not just as bad, but they're playing, they're playing their fair share into this thing of, you know, if the defense was what they were last year, we'd probably be okay in a couple of these games.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: I'll say, I'll say they're playing just as bad as it is today. They played just as bad as the offense.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: So bad.
[00:17:55] Speaker A: This was the worst game I've seen them play. I mean, Jim shorts has to be furious. I mean, I don't know how. Again, you take the same roster of capable guys and it got better trust and you get better in the offseason and, and you're worse. Like tangibly worse.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make any sense.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: Makes no sense at all.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:18] Speaker A: And so incredibly frustrating.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: Here's, here's what I would say is to Kevin Stefanski, because Kevin Stefanski on the coaching side of things is the one that runs this whole thing. Right.
[00:18:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, he, the blame game should start and end with him. Right. I mean, he's the man in charge.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Well, and what I was going to say is he can't get sucked into what he got it sucked into last year, or, I'm sorry, a couple years ago and keeping Joe woods around way longer than he needed to.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: Just because he's being loyal to his, his coach, on his staff.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Like, I think that was when we last wore the bags when every week we had to get on the air and say, fire Joe woods.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
Don't be that guy this year, Kevin. Make, you know, the bolt like you were talking about earlier, Kenny, make the bold statement. Show this team, you know, we're not a team that should be one in three.
You know, they're, when bad things happen and people aren't doing their jobs, there's.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Somebody'S gotta be accountable.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: The thing is, if they don't and they just continue to ride this thing, I mean, you are literally going to be in a conversation for the first pick in the draft, which maybe isn't a bad idea with Quinn Ewers potentially out there, Jalen Milro, Kim Ward, some of these guys that are being thrown around right now. I mean, again, it can't get worse, right?
[00:19:34] Speaker B: At that point, you do the double take, double tank for arch Manning.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: You just keep. Just wait until arch becomes available.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, he's the guy.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: He's. There we go. 131 or however long it takes, we.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Trade everything ever to get arch manning if we're not the number one pick.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. I just. This team is so disappointingly bad in every, in every facet. And again, it's not even necessary to.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Go through all the stats. Like I usually go through all the stats, but it's not even necessary. You all watch the game. It was boring. It was piss poor effort on defense. We couldn't move the ball. And besides, the first and last drive of the game, like, it was awful.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: Ronnie, you had 241 yards of total offense. How many quarterbacks are going to throw for that this week?
[00:20:24] Speaker B: Most of them.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: That was everything. They got everything. It's like they didn't get off the plane in Vegas. They got sucked into the spearmint rhino or something. And I don't know who put on the jerseys today, but maybe it was the strippers.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And here's the thing is, like, you know, I, it's really frustrating seeing the apathy that you talked about with the team, the body language, all that. Like, even Dewan Jones, after he just completely let a guy run by him, he had to get a pep talk from both Jamis Winston and Deshaun Watson because he was just sitting over there, you know, like, whatever. And who's losing the most out of this? The fans. The fans are losing the most. I mean, we just talked about our state and this isn't a plug for them. Again, I'm just saying, you have organizations like true fan travel and just the Browns fans in general that are over that stadium. Yeah. They're sending Browns fans to Las Vegas in droves. So it was basically a home game for the Browns and they went out there and disappointed us a thousand some miles away from home, just like they do here.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: So Dewan Jones is, is another developing story that, like, how do you go.
[00:21:36] Speaker B: From being so good to a liability?
[00:21:38] Speaker A: It's starting to, it's starting to approach on, like, irresponsible, like, I don't know, just look, I haven't weighed the guy, but, like, look at that dude. He looks like he's 30 pounds heavier than he was last year. There's no rule. There's, there's, like, there's no wonder he can't move.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:52] Speaker A: And I'm not, he looks way out of shape. Like, I don't, again, I don't weigh the guy, but he was already a big frame dude, and he doesn't look like he slundered down and got more athletic in the offseason. I know he was injured, but, um, it's, it's he, like you said, he's become a liability and it's because he can't move. He just, he's just stuck in one spot and he's got, he's got a wide, you know, wingspan, which is fine, but he just, he is, he's a statue there.
[00:22:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And I don't, I don't deny that he probably has gained weight and he looks a little slow, but I think it's actually more mental with him. I mean, the, the one, the play that I was just talking about, it was complete mental breakdown. He went, he tried to block inside and the guy just went completely right around him. He didn't even try and stop him.
[00:22:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:37] Speaker B: So I, I don't know. Like, did you, uh, eat up all the, probably eat up all the headlines and walked myself into that one. Uh, he ate up all the headlines about how good he was last year. It's almost like he's taking the year off now because he thinks he's better than everyone.
Because if there's one thing we know about, nevermind, I'm not going to keep going with it. But, um. But, yeah, I mean, I just don't understand, like, how do you go from, from here? Like, you were the biggest steal in the draft last year, like, everybody said that to this year, and now you're liability on the offensive line.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: He was, he was dominant in the games he played in last year before he got hurt. I mean, he was just pushing guys down. Yeah, do another blindside reference. Like, that's what it looked like. It looked like a guy that was way too big playing high school football that no one could compete with. Like, he was just shoving guys around. Um, Zach Zinter didn't have a particularly good day. I mean, there was the, when they were rushing six and seven guys. I'm watching Zach Zenter just watch Deshawn get tackled.
I'm like, you didn't block anybody. You didn't block a soul.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: No.
And the worst part about this whole thing is, like, the. The Raiders didn't beat them. The. The Raiders just played less bad than we did.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, they. They're not a good football team. No, they're not good.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And that goes back to my other comment about, we're not even middle of the road at this point. Like, that's what we got to work to get to, and then we could take, you know, worry about the next step. But this is a bad football team, and you. You lost to them not because they were better than you, but because you were worse than them.
[00:24:20] Speaker A: I like the. I don't know if you caught any Kevin Stefanski's press conference there just before we hopped on, but they asked him about the fourth down, and he said, hmm, I gotta call. Better play there.
We got to give him something. We got to come up with something there.
You think Kevin, under a minute to play in the games on the line, from the 18 yard line or wherever they were, like, you got to come up with a better play.
[00:24:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that was rough. And then I just.
This is the Browns season so far, in a nutshell, is we're sitting on.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: This is me in a nutshell.
[00:24:59] Speaker B: Oh, I'm.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: In a nutshell.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: A good joke.
No, I'm sitting there with my wife watching the end of the game, and it gets to the fourth down. It's. The game's on the line. It's fourth and goal, or fourth and whatever, down there inside the 20 yard line. And she looks at me and she goes, oh, gosh, what are we going to do? And I said, we're going to get sacked. That's what's going to happen. We're going to get sacked.
Behold, we got sacked.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: I didn't know exactly how the play was going to turn out, but I had a zero belief that we were going to find the end zone.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: Or convert the fourth down.
[00:25:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Not that I'm saying our offensive line is good and this is on Deshaun. I think it was bad play design in general. There's three guys bunched up on the left side of the end zone, and so you can't. Terrible spacing. But, yeah, he's not like Deshawn didn't have time.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: He had Judy for a minute and just didn't throw it and then took off running.
[00:26:01] Speaker B: And it's not like he didn't have time. He held onto the ball for like 7 seconds or 8 seconds in that thing.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: So, I mean, if he would have, if he would have stopped cocktail, throw it to Jerry Judy when he, when he hit the back of his drop, I mean, that, I mean, it would have been a gutsy throw on fourth and three to throw at the end zone, but that's where they ran the routes to.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: So, yeah, I mean, how good, see is it when literally, I just talked about all three of them bunched up in the end zone. There was literally three guys in the end zone.
[00:26:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:28] Speaker B: That's your options.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: Your only other option is to run it.
And he was getting nowhere there because they did a good job of making sure they had a guy kind of spying him over on the left side.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: So it's just so disappointing because this team is, is hard to watch right now.
I mean, like, football is the one thing that, like, gives a lot of us joy and makes us happy and, and it's also just a now just a horrendous suck on everything that is joy in my life because I will.
[00:27:00] Speaker B: Say this, I really, I will say this. I really enjoy that we started doing these live shows on Sunday night so I can get it all out of my system and feel good again on Monday to, to have our preview show. But I'll be honest, tomorrow I'm probably going to be feeling pretty bad because I'm just going to. I think we're going to lose again, so.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. They don't stay the gym. If they play like they have the last three weeks, the last four weeks against the commanders, they're, they're going to lose. They'll be one and four.
[00:27:26] Speaker B: So Raiders are a way worse team than, than the commanders are.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: And the thing is, is we have, we have, we're away in Washington and then away in Philadelphia before you even get back to a home game. So, I mean, you're on the road for the next. I mean, this is a brutal stretch here where you're West coast to DC and Philly all in three weeks when you're playing bad football. I mean, that's nothing. Not good for anyone.
[00:27:55] Speaker B: The only thing I could say is, at least we're coming home to play the Bengals. And, you know, is even when the Browns suck, they seem to have the Bengals number lately.
[00:28:03] Speaker A: I mean, I think the only, like, the only silver lining that I can pull here at all, and again, this is, I'm not even confident that this is going to make a difference at this point because this team doesn't look like a team, but you should get Nick Chubb back soon. You should get David Njoku back soon.
[00:28:26] Speaker B: But talking David Njoku next week and Nick Chubb, they're saying probably either October 13 or October 20 are the days to look for, for Nick Chubb.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: But I just look at it and I'm like, this season is going to be over by the time those guys come back. I mean, what are you playing for at that point?
[00:28:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And honestly, I would assume Nick Chubb will be back on the 20th because that's our home game, our first home game.
So I'm guessing he's going to rehab as much as he can and they'll probably use caution and say, you know, use up whatever time they can with them.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: Well, they need him back sooner. As soon as they can get him.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: Well, yeah, nobody's, nobody's arguing that, but yeah, I mean, you mentioned silver lining. I guess we'll try and pull something out of this. So let's do, let's nominate our guys for burning river sports cast dog of the week this week. I'll go first.
I'm going to go with J. Okay. Actually, so far this season, he's been the most consistent player on the Browns. He's the j. OK. That he kind of, he had his breakout season last year. And so since that happened, I mean, jok is, is a guy we can rely on. He's always going to have right around ten tackles, if not more.
And he doesn't really miss too many assignments. He's, he's in on so many tackles and he really keeps the defense at least somewhat in this thing and staying competitive. So I'm gonna go with J. Okay. Again today, if you're looking for his stats, I think he had nine tackles today, a tackle for loss.
Six. Six solo tackles. So that's what he did today.
[00:30:04] Speaker A: He'd also had the tackle of the game on that top sweep to the right that they ran or off tackle. Right. Did they ran? I mean, he absolutely annihilated.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Between ball carrier was between that one and the punt return when the dude just picked him up and threw him.
[00:30:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: I don't even know who that was, but I was just the whole, you heard all of the announced, all the people that were calling the game at the same time were like, oh, no. Oh, yeah.
[00:30:30] Speaker A: When he, when he cracked, though, on that, on that off tackle. Right. That was, that was an impressive tackle because he just threw his whole body weight into him and just clocked him.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: Yeah, they were, they highlighted him right after that play in the broadcast instead. You know, he's, he's a new age linebacker because he's super fast and can get everywhere on the field, but then when he gets there, he comes with bad intentions, is what they said.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So can I also just mention the commentating was kind of awful in this.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: And it was terrible.
[00:31:00] Speaker A: It was not someone like Ross Tucker. And I forget. I forget who else was on the call, but whoever, whoever was with them was really bad in calling out wrong names.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: And, oh, yeah, my least favorite thing of the entire broadcast was the when. When Amari Cooper scored the what would have been 80 some yard touchdown. And they called holding and brought it back. And the guys are looking at the thing. They're like, oh, there's no way. How could they call this? And I'm watching the, the replay, and I'm like, he clearly has a handful of jersey, and he's, like, pulling him to the side.
[00:31:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: What are you not seeing? And then they showed it again from a different angle, and they're like, oh, I guess it was holding.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, I know. Like, I know that's going to be hot on. That's. That's hot on Brown's twitter right now is the. The phantom holding call. But guys, like, if you're holding, if that's what you're holding on to, like, it wasn't, like, egregious the whole time. Like, he was fine.
[00:31:52] Speaker B: Sure. Grabbed jersey when you're inside. And he did. But as soon as he. They disengaged, he had his whole entire shoulder pad.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And the thing is, is you knew you. If you watched, it was Nick Harris. Right? So if you watch Nick Harris, he knew because he did disengage, but he was slow to do it with his other hand. He let go of the hand that he had the shoulder pad with. It was slow to let go of his inside hand. And that's where the jersey pulled.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: It's affected the play. It directly affected the play.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: Cause if he clobbered Shawn a second later, as soon as he got loose.
[00:32:24] Speaker B: If he wouldn't have grabbed shoulder pad, then he would. Then Deshaun would have got sacked.
[00:32:29] Speaker A: And I saw a bunch of people, a bunch of takes that were like, Baltimore is up 14 three on Buffalo. I didn't see that.
I saw a bunch of takes that were like, oh, would they call this on the Chiefs? And I'm like, the thing was, is the back judge was standing right behind Deshawn when that all went down. I'm like, pretty much any ref worth their salt they see that, that jersey tug like that and two bodies that aren't in front of each other is going to call that.
[00:32:54] Speaker B: Well, here's the thing.
[00:32:55] Speaker A: That was. I don't think it was. Was it super unfortunate? Yeah. Changed the outcome of the game. But, but I don't think it was like a ticky tat call or anything like that.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Here's the deal with that, too, with the Chiefs in their calls. Like, not that I'm advocating for the ref to call special for the Chiefs, because I think that's absolutely abhorrent and ridiculous, but the Chiefs have kind of, you know, they've been good in and out, so they kind of, I think what happens is they get the benefit of the doubt from the refs to say, now they're probably doing the right thing.
[00:33:26] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Everybody's like that. The Browns are asked, they know they're doing the wrong things.
[00:33:31] Speaker A: Yeah. They're like, if they scored an 80 year ad or touchdown, something bad had to happen.
[00:33:35] Speaker B: There's no way. But anyway, we got off topic.
[00:33:38] Speaker A: Yeah, we got off my pick of J.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: Okay. Who. What do you got, Kenny?
[00:33:42] Speaker A: I'm just glad bones not here to steal mine this week. Yeah, look, this. This was something that I struggled with, coming up with one because they were so poor, I almost would have went to Sean, because, again, I think this is as good as he could possibly play, but the fact that he didn't eclipse 200 yards and didn't lead a game winning drive when he had multiple opportunities, again kind of killed that for me.
Nobody else on the offense really stood out. Maybe Jerry Judy with an honorable mention.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: But Whitehurst or whatever that dude's name was that caught the. Whoever that guy was.
[00:34:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Blake Whiteheart and his three catches for 13 yards.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Just out of nowhere, that was the best thing on twitter today is everybody like, who's this guy?
[00:34:22] Speaker A: Yeah, but I'll go with. And again, this is kind of because this is a guy that catches a lot of flack from us is Jerome Ford. He only had ten carries, but he averaged 5.8 yards of carry, which is well more than he's used to. I think 32 of them came on the run that set up the final draft drive there, so. But still, he put us in position to win the game with that little trap play they were in right before.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: The two, nine for 26. Otherwise, I digress.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's not great, but, but statistically, he averaged 5.8 yards of carry, and he did add seven receptions for 27 yards. So when you look at Deshawn's numbers and the fact that he was able to be efficient all day. Seven outlet passes to drone forward kept drives moving, which, you know, I'll take.
It was a workman like effort. Was it special? Was it great? No, but it was working like. And for that, I'll nominate Jerome for.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: Yeah, and I'm going to throw another one in here for on bones behalf just to keep our graphic consistent more than anything. And I'm going to say Rodney McLeod with the scoop and score for a touchdown to keep us in the game. So.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: Sure. Yeah. I mean, that was the only play he made all day. But it was a big play.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: It was a big one. So, Kenny, you got any final thoughts for this week?
[00:35:41] Speaker A: My thoughts are just the fact that, again, this is not a serious football team right now. Something is very, very wrong in that building and they need to figure it out. I don't know exactly what it is because I don't live there, but they do. That coaching staff knows. They're seeing these guys every day in practice and if they can't figure it out, then, like, I got no use for any of them. Clear, clean the house out and bring new guys in because this is getting embarrassing to watch. It's. You have an embarrassment of riches in terms of talent and you're pissing it all away. And, you know, Cincinnati got a win today. Buffalo. Baltimore is currently winning the. The Steelers lost a close game today.
This division is, the rest of the division is acting like professional football teams and they're going to run away from you if you don't drastically change something soon.
Yeah, that's my final thought.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah, my final thought is in those same vein. In that same vein, we're now at the bottom of the division just like that. So in probably the toughest division in football, you can't afford to lose games to teams that you should beat. And we've done it two games in a row now. So I think this is at the end of the season when we look back and we're like, where could we have made this up to get into the playoffs? It's these two games, and I know it's early in the season and you hate to talk like that, like it's over. And I'm not saying it's over, but you said it. 14%. That's the chances to get into the playoffs at this point. And when you only have a 14% chance to get into the playoffs, you need to beat the teams that are bad.
And we aren't doing that because we're bad.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: If someone told me I had a 14% chance of living, I would be pretty sad.
[00:37:32] Speaker B: I'd pretty. Yeah, I'd be, I'd be saying, like.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: This is the end. Yeah. So that's where the Brown are right now. They've been given. They've been given the prognosis.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So one more time, before we sign off here, let me remind everybody to call the burning river sportscast hot take hotline. Again, that number is 3302-2780 call. Give us your hot takes. We want to put them on our show. We want to. You could also, anytime we're doing live shows that we do recaps every Sunday now after the game, you know, you can leave comments there, but call the hot take hotline. We'll get them on the air and we'll talk about it. I know people are fired up. I know you're pissed off.
[00:38:11] Speaker A: Yeah. You gotta be. You can't, you can't watch it. Especially if you traveled a thousand miles to Las Vegas to watch that dump.
You gotta be pissed off. So if you're in Vegas and it's still, what time is it out there? Over? 06:00 or so, there's, there's plenty of time. Seven spend calling early hotlines, 615.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. Time. I don't know what they do out there.
But the only bright side for those guys is they're probably completely hammered at this point.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: True. True. I wish I were completely hammered at this.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Me, too. I think I'm going to go, I think I'm going to go for a drink here soon. But be sure to check out our gear. WWE tappingmedia.com, backslash shop. And Kenny, that'll do it for us. What can we expect later this week?
[00:38:56] Speaker A: Yes. So we will be recording our normal show this week. That will come out on Thursday. As usual. We will be previewing the week five game against the Washington commanders.
And then we do have brownsbackers interview with the Washington, DC area Brownsbackers club. And if I'm not mistaken, we do have our defensive correspondent John Hughes joining us this week.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: John Hughes will be on this week? Correct. And I don't, you know, I don't think there's any point in keeping it a secret anymore. John Greco will actually be on with us next week. So these next two weeks are going to be pretty good here.
[00:39:34] Speaker A: Yeah. We have some, some special guests and good interviews coming your way.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: Yep. And so check us out on social media. Tapping media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at the tapping media. I'm burning over Sportscast. That's. This podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. At burning reports, cast, and on ex. At Burning river pod. And you can find our podcast wherever gets your podcast. I'm talking Apple podcast, Spotify, YouTube, music, Amazon music, Stitcher, Pandora, I heart radio, podcast, Castro, good pods, and so many more. Um.
And that's it.
[00:40:02] Speaker A: That's it. That's the show. This.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go drink my sorrows away.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
Hopefully buffalo can come back and put the rat birds away tonight. That'll at least make me feel good before bed.
[00:40:14] Speaker B: You know the one good thing the browns are? You know what they're good at?
[00:40:18] Speaker A: No.
Losing.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: They're good at losing, and they're good at being the whole damn problem.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: They are the whole damn problem.
So, yeah, don't. Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem, just like the Cleveland Browns.
[00:40:35] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
Burning river sports.
[00:40:40] Speaker A: Burning river sportscast, burning rivers.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland. Good night, Cleveland. Good night, Akron.
