Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam, It's time Time for our final live edition of the burning river sportscast. Browns 20 Bengals 18 Browns finish the season with a dub.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: You tried real hard to miss your cue there.
[00:01:08] Speaker A: It was my it all got it's.
[00:01:10] Speaker B: The end of the season. You're on top of your game. You know that's right.
Yeah.
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[00:02:42] Speaker A: Two games.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: Dang feel. It's going to be however many days we like 280 days since we lost again.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: We are undefeated in 2026.
[00:02:53] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. We can't lose a game until September. That's right.
But anyways closer look at everything.
Offense, defense, special teams are nominees for dog of the Week. Miles Garrett gets It done. And is the new set king, QB and coaching talk, because obviously these are the two stories that are gonna matter for the foreseeable future, and then I'm sure there's gonna be more. But let's get things started by reminding everyone to call the burning sportscast hot take hotline.
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Got anybody joining us yet? My. My chat's all messed up here.
I went offline for a second. I was like, frozen. I don't know.
[00:03:58] Speaker A: Yeah, that was weird.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: Waiting for it to catch up. I don't really know what's going on.
Live shows. We love live shows.
[00:04:07] Speaker A: I was just saying I hate live shows.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm like, watching the feed and it's terrible. It's real bad on my end. I don't know what's going on.
But anyways, week 18 recap. Let's go ahead and get things started with the special teams.
Is there any special teams blunders?
[00:04:27] Speaker A: I was mostly clean today.
You know, Schmidt had the full circle moment of redemption.
You know, obviously struggled in week one against Cincinnati and.
[00:04:37] Speaker B: Wait, freeze. Before you get into the game, I just want to call out. Hippie Picks is joining us here.
He went to the game today. He had free tickets that he got from a. A family member as a gift, I think. I don't really know what happened, but he got tickets as a gift, and then he also offered us some tickets. We really appreciate that. We, unfortunately, were not able to make it. Cincinnati is not close to.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: No, it's all the way in Kentucky.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's in Kentucky. And he's. He's, you know, he lives in Northern Kentucky, so it's pretty close for him, not close for us. But we appreciate that. That was. That was an awesome gesture.
And what a game to go to.
I mean, it was fantastic. And he sent us pictures. He's got pictures hugging David Joku and kind of talking to some of the guys before the game. So it's pretty cool.
[00:05:23] Speaker A: Is he the Guy that got his stomach signed by Njoku.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: I don't know. Hippie. Did you get your stomach signed by David Najoku?
Let us know in the comments here. But yeah, just. Just a shout out.
Go ahead with your special teams.
[00:05:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Thanks for interrupting my podcast.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: I had to. I had to.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: No, I was just saying it was a nice full circle moment for. For Schmidt, you know, struggled in week one, you know, lost us the game essentially on the. The kicks there, and for him to have a chance to close it out today was. Was nice. So good on Schmidt, you know, whether he's the long term answer kicker, I guess we'll. We'll see. But he's certainly passable as an NFL kicker at this point, and I think you can roll them into next year. So.
Good. Good moment. Good.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Your complaint about him all season long has been he's kind of progressed. We didn't really talk about it much. And then finally in our last episode, I think it was, you said, look, I'm good with him.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: He.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: He did well. He kind of came back throughout the season and he was. Whatever his. His percentage ended up, it was like 85, 87 on the season, whatever it was. And I think your. Your quote was, do I want him kicking at the end of the game when the game's on the line? No, but I think he's serviceable. Does this do anything to help with that?
[00:06:40] Speaker A: I mean, the good thing was that because of the personal foul or unsportsmanlike penalties on both defensive touchdowns, he had a good amount of practice from near 50 before he had to kick the game winner. So. Yeah, but, yeah, no, I feel. I feel fine. Like, I feel I have a lot more confidence in him now than I did at the start of the year. He had a good season outside of the misses early.
And that's a good call out by James Frank on the special teams blunder of the day, which was Larva Dane fielding the ball inside the 10 and trying to make something happen. And it looked for a minute like he had a little bit of a seam and was going to at least get it out to like the 12 or the 15 and then decide he was going to run backwards. So that was a bad job out.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Of him, as one does when they make terrible decisions fielding punts.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: And apparently Hippie did not get his stomach sign. So dang bad job out of you, Hippie. Disappointed.
[00:07:35] Speaker B: Thanks for offering us tickets. What. What is wrong with you?
[00:07:38] Speaker A: The. The video of In Joku when he realized that the guy wanted his belly signed, he Was like, he went up for the autograph and in Joku, and he put his belly out, and then Joku was like, like, visibly disturbed by it.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: He's like, what is wrong with this guy? All right.
[00:07:52] Speaker A: But then he signed it anyway, as one does.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And as far as special teams, though, like you said, Larva Dan with the. The blunder, fielding the punt, but yeah, back to Schmidt. I was pleasantly surprised with him all season long. I mean, obviously he lost that first game, but beyond that, I mean. Yeah, you. You said it.
[00:08:16] Speaker A: He.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: He developed well throughout the entire season. He's looked good. I'm actually excited that they somehow seem to have found a kicker on the cheap going into next season. So. And he's young.
[00:08:26] Speaker A: I mean, kicker's one of those things, right. We see these guys have. Have slumps and, you know, they're good for a while, so it's one of the hardest.
[00:08:33] Speaker B: It could all change tomorrow.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: It's one of the hardest positions in sports because it's just such a fickle tolerance for guys that have. Have misses. And you can get yourself fired in one week in the NFL as a kicker. So.
Yeah, never good. As long as he keeps making them. He'll be in, he'll stay, he'll be employed.
[00:08:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
So let's go ahead. You want to go offense or defense first? You want to save defense for the end?
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: You don't seem enthused about anything.
You do know the Browns won today, right?
Did you forget?
[00:09:05] Speaker A: It's been a long year?
[00:09:06] Speaker B: Okay, it has been a long year.
We'll start with Shador Sanders.
We'll get into QB talk right away.
I. I know a lot of people are gonna kind of all over Shador Sanders. He was 11 for 22, 111 yards, including what was a 7.
I forget what he had in the. It doesn't matter. You split up the halves. It doesn't matter. You're looking at like 60 yards a half, so 55 yards a half.
So he, you know, passing game wasn't great in general.
Six sacks today, and then he had a lost fumble, three rushes for 26 yards. But I think the big thing is, did they win the game and won the game?
[00:09:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: And he got the ball back with, what was it, a minute and like 12 left or a minute and 30 left, whatever it was.
And he was able to get them into field goal range, completing a couple passes, and they kicked the game winner. So, I mean, when it counted, he was much better. He tightened things up and he looked. He looked decent. Yeah, there Were some things obviously that are concerning. I would say just about the game in general.
But when you're watching a Cleveland Browns game, when is there not concerning things?
[00:10:20] Speaker A: I didn't have a huge problem with his game today. He didn't play well, particularly. I mean, obviously the box score doesn't reflect a solid day at the office. But I know there were people all over him during the first half. I mean, you even at one point in the first half texted us and said you had some concerns. And I was kind of like, they had such limited opportunity in that first half. And keep in mind, the offensive line is garbage. The wide receivers are garbage, the running backs are garbage.
You know, what did we expect? Do we expect he was going to go out there and light it up? Like the same problems we've had all year long still exist and he just had such limited opportunity. They didn't hold the ball for a whole lot. I think at the end of the first half our leading rusher had seven yards.
So you can get all over Shador Sanders and say like, oh, he didn't play good enough to win.
It's not like any other facet of the game was doing well. And they clearly made some adjustments at halftime. They came out with the no huddle that seemed to help him get into a little bit of a rhythm. They were able to move the ball some in the second half, which was good.
You know, he had a couple of passes that, you know, were ill advised and kind of put up into coverage today.
But every quarterback throws those in every game. So I mean, there was nothing today that was overtly concerning. Obviously put the ball on the ground in the first half on the fumble, but those things happen. It's football, you know, at the end of the day, the one thing I've been waiting on Shador to do, which, which we saw today, which is in a leverage situation where the game is on the line, can he move the offense and get the ball ball down the field and score to win the game? And we haven't really been in those situations all year. Today was kind of a first. So good moment of growth for him and it was good to see him move the ball. And they did get the ball into field goal range and were able to kick it and win. So I mean, what else do you want your rookie quarterback to do given the supporting cast? There's just not a lot out there that was possible. I mean, at least up until last week he had Harold Fannin who was at least able to catch the ball. You eliminate him Today and you've got guys that I've never heard. I mean, Blake Whiteheart is out there catching passes. Sam Canela can't catch a pass.
I mean, it's just a who's who of no one out there.
Which, you know, some of that Trisha, throughout the year you're going to have guys go down. But this was a particularly bad supporting cast today and he did enough to win the game.
And it goes back to the analytics discussions that we continue to have, which are, you know, hey, there's all these things, you can look and measure quarterbacks and say, hey, they're cute, their ratings are poor, their EPA is poor, all these things. He was ranked dead last out of quarterbacks today.
The only one that really matters in the NFL. Did he win? And Shador Sanders has seven starts in his rookie season and won three of them. I understand that that's not a very high bar, but that's the bar in Cleveland. He won three out of his seven starts. And I think if he had a full year under his belt, if he had been the starter on week one, you probably very reasonably would assume five to six. I think, you know, given some of the losses we had to not very good teams.
And if you look at that then big picture and you say, well, I mean, where did, where did the Titans finish the year? The Titans finished with three wins. They have no qualms about building around Cam Ward going forward. The Raiders had three wins.
You know, the jets had three wins.
The Giants Jackson Dart had four wins out of the 12 games that he started. So if we're looking around, you know, hey, this guy in seven starts had as many wins as some whole franchises and certainly was keeping pace with the other rookies that are going to get a shot to lead teams going into next year.
I don't know that he could have done a whole lot else. He's also playing not only with the worst supporting cast in football, but maybe with the worst offensive coaching staff in football, which is well documented. Even today, you know, they get another win, but it was a 20 point game and the defense scored 12 of them.
I mean the offensive schemes are poor. You're, you just don't have a lot of weapons and a lot of opportunity to be good in this offense.
And here's the other thing.
You lost to this team earlier in the year. You lost to the Cincinnati Bengals. Today you get a win with Shador at the helm.
Shador is now on back to back games against division rivals, against teams that won more games than you did this year.
So I don't. I don't know what else this kid could do given all the. The other circumstances to impress anyone short of, you know, just being a miracle worker and going out there and winning every game. I. It's just not a realistic expectation in the NFL for a rookie quarterback to come in and do that.
You know, Jaden Daniels or whatever a year ago like that was. That was the anomaly. Peyton Manning had a bad rookie season. Troy Aikman had a bad rookie season. I'm not even saying he's one of those guys. I'm just saying it's normal for even good quarterbacks to not be very productive their rookie year and three wins. I'll take that in seven starts.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: I started grinning because you got on one of your rants and I sat back and listened.
Yeah, I mean, you made a lot of good points in there. The. I actually have in our notes here for Shador Sanders. Not that I'm making excuses for him because to me, if you can't see that, that comparing him to even Dylan Gabriel at this point is pointless because of the supporting cast around him and what Dylan Gabriel had, what Dylan Gabriel was able to get as far as practice reps, those types of. It's just not the same thing. They're two completely different situations earlier in the year. It's now Shador Sanders down to tight end three and tight end four down to RB2, RB3, RB4. Only wide receiver of note is Jerry Judy. And I say of note because he is the only wide receiver to lead or be ranked high in any stat category whatsoever at the position. Bad thing about that stat category. It's drops at 10 leading the league coming into this one. So.
And then obviously your offensive line, I mean most of that. I think almost all of them are backups. Then you've got one with Wyatt Teller that finished the year on IR even though he wasn't hurt. So like.
[00:16:47] Speaker A: Well, and then you hit center number three today and he's got awful. So yeah, just not a good supporting cast. I don't. The expectations for this offense to do much are just not very good. James Frank had a good call out there, which was. He did have a really nice pass towards in the second half there. That was draft in the end zone. So you know the. You still are seeing those flashes of like this guy has an NFL arm. He's just not on a team that has a lot of NFL players on it. Yeah.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: And he did trip at one point today. He did trip and then they. They went they went immediately, immediately to Jimmy Hasla, but he was just like.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: What?
[00:17:32] Speaker B: What in the world?
So that was kind of funny, but I don't think it really nothing to read into. It was just a funny moment, like just a bad timing for the cameras. But yeah, I mean, Shador, I still like this. Doesn't this game and the struggles that were had this game because of all of the circumstances surrounding it, it doesn't change my opinion whatsoever that we need to roll with him next year, build around him, build the team and not necessarily like you're building around him. I think we need to figure out what we have long term with him by giving him a full season to start.
But you start building the team, you get those offensive linemen, those wide receivers, you fill in some other holes where you can in the draft and free agency and you see what you can do next year. Because look, I know that we talk about Andrew Barry all the time and how he punched us in the face for years, then he finally got one draft right and we're like, oh, look at this guy. He's great. The fact of the matter is, if you haven't read anything this week, and especially today, it's basically the consensus that Kevin Stefanski is going to be gone and Andrew Barry is going to be back.
And so Andrew Barry benefit of the doubt simply because we know he's probably going to be back. Hopefully you nail another draft. And we're talking about making huge steps forward next year. And if, if Shador Sanders does play well, then you're. You're all set because you got a fifth rounder that you're paying nothing for for the first four years at quarterback.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And I have a huge problem with the, the idea that there's some kind of split accountability here, that, that Andrew Barry can survive this with Kevin Stefanski going down now that I want to keep Kevin.
[00:19:15] Speaker B: But if you love Kevin, you've been on a Kevin love fest for the past two weeks.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: If one guy's gonna go, I think both should go. I don't know how you, you know, live beyond the DeSean Watson deal.
And I guess the only thing that I can say that is worse than that is Kevin probably staking his reputation and his name on draft night on Dylan Gabriel saying, he's the guy that fits my offense, he's the guy I want. We gave it a shot. You saw how freaking awful that was and you saw that at least Shador looks, looks the part to be able to be a competent player. What's his ceiling long Term, who knows. But he can operate an NFL offense whereas Dylan very clearly cannot.
And if that's the final male.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: And people will argue with you on that. They say that, that Dylan's efficiency numbers are so much better.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: And, and a lot of that is because Dylan got chances to throw the ball in the red zone where Shador didn't. We ran a lot of wildcat in, in gold to go situations in that. So Dylan's touchdown to interception ratio is better and Shador's touchdown to interception ratio has been kind of negatively impacted by some passes that, you know, really shouldn't have been interceptions or, or at least were in receivers hands or bounced off of receivers. Something weird happened.
I think if you pull about three of those out of the equation, that, you know, certainly the one where Jerry Judah handed the ball to the guy, couple of the other bobbles that were tip drills, you know, that, that his, his numbers ultimately don't look all that bad for a rookie. But I digress. They are, they are what they are. He Touchdowns, 10 interceptions. It's not good. So.
But, but Dylan Gabriel, I mean we all know is not an NFL quarterback.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Anybody that, that is trying to still fight that battle probably just doesn't like Shador Sanders is the, is the biggest thing.
Because if you're, if you're going to try and tell me that Dylan Gabriel has any shot of being the future of this team, you're. You're sadly mistaken.
[00:21:22] Speaker A: That's a good call out. James shoulder didn't need to be in the red zone for, for guys to get touchdowns.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: He's able to throw the ball over 20.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: Can throw the ball.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. And so I, yeah, the coaching part of it, I don't know if we want to get into that now or we want to move that to the end here.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: Well, there was very little else to talk about on this offense. Do you want to talk about our leading rusher with, you know, 32 yards or whatever?
[00:21:48] Speaker B: Yeah, let's throw out some of this, some of the box score here. We could do that.
The leading rusher was Dylan Sampson. 10 rushes for 32 yards. That's 3.2 yards of carry followed by Shador Sanders 3 for 26 and Raheem Sanders 5 for 26 and then Malachi Corley 3 for 18.
But on the day as a team, we had 118 yards rushing, so not a great effort.
Yeah. And then obviously 111 yards passing. So we basically had no offense.
And the weird thing to me, and this is actually where I was Going with it is not that I'm trying to hate on Tommy Reese here. I don't, I'm not saying, I'm really not trying to say anything bad about Tommy Reese as far as whether or not we should keep him or not. I just. All the reports that are coming out right now or that they want to at all costs hold on to Tommy Reese and they might even give him some interviews for the head coaching job, which I find to be just baffling given the fact that this offense has been so bad. Now, I do know this is Kevin Stefanski's offense. I, I understand that.
But even still, it just to, to have your name stamped as the OC on this offense this year and then to immediately get head coaching interviews, even is, Is just wild to me.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: It's, it's not a resume builder.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: No, like, like. And again, I'm not hating on Tommy Reese. I'm just saying, like, they, we probably should have him as the offensive coordinator for maybe another year or two. And that's pretty hard when you're like, it's hard to just replace your head coach. So it's not going to happen.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: But yeah, look, I mean, it's Sunday. We're five hours after the game.
You know, Raheem Morris has already been let go in Atlanta.
We'll see. I still think there's a small chance that they retain Kevin Stefanski for one more season, but, you know, he hasn't been been fired just yet, so we don't know what direction they're going to go. I mean, obviously there's a million reports out there. I saw reports about Shorts getting an opportunity, Tommy Reese getting an opportunity, Marcus Freeman out from Notre Dame. I mean, the rumor mill is strong, so we'll see what happens. We kind of got to wait for it to happen.
But look, I mean, there has to be there, there almost has to be change because it's just so bad.
I thought it's been an interesting kind of 24 to 48 hours because there's been a lot of player conversations and questions directed to players before the game about, you know, if this is Stefanski's last game, what happens? And even post game today, you know, how do you feel about moving forward?
[00:24:35] Speaker B: And which, might I point out, Shador Sanders shined again in that for all the people that hate Shador Sanders and think he says all the wrong, all the wrong things all the time, stood up for Stefanski and basically said, look, we've had some good conversations and he's been tough, but he's been good.
[00:24:51] Speaker A: But what I thought was really telling about that whole thing is I think there was a lot more to that response than was on the surface because what he said was that this week, this week, he and Stefanski had a heart to heart of sorts and feels like they finally understand each other, like they were finally on the same page.
[00:25:22] Speaker B: Kind of like we've been at odds.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: For this whole kind of like we've been at odds all season. Kind of like there was always some kind of subtle under mutual understanding that he didn't like me and I wasn't sure why. And we hashed it out this week because it was probably the last chance that we were going to have and now we're finally on the same page. In week 18, your quarterback and your head coach are on the same page.
I just just another example of the failures of of Kevin Stefanski's leadership. Look, there's a lot of defenders out there for Kevin Stefanski still. Oh, he's going to go and coach somewhere and he'll be successful. He's going to be the hottest candidate out there. He's a good play caller, he's a good offensive mind. That may all very well be true. He may be a very intelligent guy, he may know a lot about NFL offenses. But I'm sorry, as the head coach of an NFL franchise, your job is not to know a lot about offense. It's a leadership position. It's a CEO equivalent position. You have to be in charge. You're in charge of the grown men with egos. You're in charge of administrative staff, support staff, equipment staff, healthcare staff, all of your coaching you. The buck starts and ends with you. And if you don't have those other traits, you can't motivate guys in season. You can't have these conversations with players to get on the same page during the year or before the year. Jesus, not even during the year before the like these things should be hashed out already and good leaders do that. He is none of those things. So even if he is a gifted play caller and a gifted offensive mind, he is a lackluster CEO leader type individual who doesn't have the skill set required to be a successful NFL head coach.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: Yeah, totally agree there. Go ahead and highlight James Frank's last comment here.
Yeah, Marcus Freeman may have said that, but they all say that until they get offered an NFL job. So yeah, so not that I'm saying I want Marcus Freeman. I absolutely do not. I don't want any anybody that is coming from Notre Dame's organization, I don't want them.
[00:27:36] Speaker A: Well, if it was Marcus Freeman or Kevin Stefanski, where do you land Marcus Freeman? Okay.
[00:27:44] Speaker B: But if, if that's, if that's what I have to choose from, I'm in.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: You know what they always say, like, talk is cheap. Right. These guys can say anything they want right now. And, and frankly, if I'm a college coach in the world of nil, where a third of the players have already declared for the transfer portal and I'm worried that, hey, if I don't know what I'm going to do, I have to say I'm coming back because I don't want my players to get spooked and head to the transfer portal on Monday.
So he has to say that regardless of what's going to happen. But I have a feeling that if the right offer came with the right number of dollar signs, pretty much change anybody's mind.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. But remember, anybody that's out there thinking Marcus Freeman is the answer, this is the guy who, his organization as a whole is throwing a collective temper tantrum right now because they didn't make the playoffs.
[00:28:33] Speaker A: So, yeah, no, it wouldn't be my first choice. I just, he was just one of the guys I saw in recently when.
[00:28:40] Speaker B: Ohio State beat Notre Dame in the national championship game and one of our employees quit because I made fun of him.
Yeah, that happened.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: The temperament of a Notre Dame fan.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
Let's go ahead and go over to the defense here. We talked about coaching and obviously Jim Schwartz has the defense playing at a high, high level. They have been all season.
I think they're going to finish as the number one or number two defense again this year, which is phenomenal, especially given you won five games. The fact that this team was so bad and the defense was still able to play at that level throughout the entire season is just, just phenomenal because as a player, I'm sure as the season progressed, you know, those guys got to be getting, getting dejected and getting kind of like down and, and you know, it gets hard to play, it gets hard to get up for a game every game. After your team lets you down that many times.
[00:29:30] Speaker A: Well, yeah, there's a human element to this. Right. We've talked to John Hughes at length about this on our show on a week to week basis, which is when the offense isn't doing their job and you're on the field for two thirds of the game and your offense can't move the football.
Incredibly frustrating. And it's just, it's One of those things that the longer the season goes on, the more it wears on you. And Michael Strahan, in his very ungracious congratulations to Miles Garrett, kind of talked about that. He said, look, he kind of talked about, you know, after he kind of brushed off the fact that Miles is now the sack leader, he said, look, what he does is. Is different than what most guys are faced with because the. They're not playing with the lead. A lot of the times this is a bad football team. They're always trying to play catch up. Teams don't have to throw the ball against them. So, you know, there was some at least acknowledgement that, like, hey, this kid is. Is a really special player, and what he's doing is. Is truly historic.
Even though he failed to accept that he's the new sack leader because he said he did it in 17 games and not 16, even though it required far less pass attempts for him to do it than Strahan. Strahan still insists that it's. It's two separate things, which, Which I just. If anyone's looking at the numbers, I mean, I saw Andrew Filiponi out in Pittsburgh saying the same stuff. You can say 17 games all you want, but at the end of the day, like, it's. It's pass attempts or, you know, rush attempts that you even have an opportunity. And he's done it in far less, even though it took longer and more games.
So to me, that's the great equalizer there. This is very different than the times when, you know, quarterbacks were, you know, and we have running backs that had 12 games in a season. Sixteen to 17 is not that big of a difference. And the fact is, he's still at a way higher efficiency rate than those guys.
[00:31:24] Speaker B: Absolutely.
And once again, I'm going to apologize for my Internet problems. I don't know what's happening here, but I just. I just keep being blurry, so just deal with it probably for the best.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: We don't really want to see your face.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I got a face for. For radio. You know what I'm saying?
[00:31:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: No, but, yeah. So the defense overall, though, just. Just phenomenal this year. I. I think it bodes well for Jim Schwartz chances to get it not only get an interview, but potentially be able to land as the next head coach. Because if they're trying to keep at least a modicum of stability, you know, going into next season, I mean, that's. That's not a bad move.
[00:32:04] Speaker A: Right.
[00:32:04] Speaker B: You go. You go to the guy that, that has been here his unit has been just dominating non stop.
I mean, I mean, it's a pretty good option if you ask me. So.
[00:32:16] Speaker A: I mean, this team badly needs a full reset, but I don't know that we're going to get that, especially if Andrew Barry sticks around. So.
Sure, I mean, whatever. Stability for stability's sake. I don't dislike Jim Schwartz. I, I very much like Jim Schwartz and I think that he would be on my short list of guys that I would interview for sure. But.
But I don't know. I just, I mean this. At the very least on the offensive side of the ball, this team needs wholesale changes to remake the entire offense. So is Jim Schwartz the guy for that? I don't know.
[00:32:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
But anyways, getting into the rest of the defense, since you don't like Jim Schwartz and you want him gone, apparently.
I mean, I'll talk about one other guy before I talk about Miles Garrett. Obviously Miles Garrett's the big story today, but I want to talk about Devin Bush.
Fourteen tackles today, six solo tackles, a pass defense and an interception for a touchdown. I mean, the dude was unreal today. I don't know. I mean, he's been playing fairly well for a while, but pretty much all season. But that was, I mean, he was on a whole other level today. It was, it was insane to see.
[00:33:35] Speaker A: He's played really well all year. I mean, he's got over well over 100 tackles on the season.
It feels like he's. He's definitely been one of the keystone pieces of this defense all year long. So I think, I think he's on an expiring contract. It would be a shame if he weren't back next year.
So I think that would be one of the priorities going into the off season is making sure you have him locked down because he's been a really nice piece and, and today he had one of the longest passing touchdown receptions in, in Cleveland Browns history. So.
Yeah, got to keep that guy.
[00:34:11] Speaker B: Yep. And then the.
What was the other return touchdown we had today?
[00:34:17] Speaker A: It was by backup defensive back, I think.
What was his name?
[00:34:27] Speaker B: Why is it not showing up in the stats? That's wild. I'm on the box score on ESPN and it's not even showing up in score. I don't know why.
Yeah, I mean, but two, two defensive touchdowns today, which we don't get very often, so that was awesome to see and badly needed. Obviously the offense wasn't doing much, so.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean the 12 points on the defense today is good. It was very much badly needed not good too. I mean, again, thinking about just supporting cast. Right. And success of the program in general.
You know, to start the second half you had.
I don't even know if it was the second. I might have been earlier in the game you had Ward go out and Campbell go out. So you lost both your starting corners at some point there and you were playing against one of the NFL's premier quarterbacks and wide receiver tandems without two of your best defensive backs on the field. So for the defense to hold Cincinnati to 18 points today, overall, phenomenal day.
And you know, just in general, keeping, keeping Joe Burrow down and, and not giving up a lot on the ground. This team's been victimized on the ground all year long. I think since they finished, if I am not mistaken, under 100 yards rushing today maybe. Or were they over?
I could have lied there.
Chase Brown at 72, so they were probably over. So.
But still, we've seen teams run away on this Browns team this year a little bit. It's been kind of the one downside to this defense all year long as they struggled to stop the run. So Sam Webb.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta keep going. I, I gotta reset my Internet.
[00:36:20] Speaker A: Oh, good. Ronnie James is dead.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Fun times.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
Anyways, I mean, good, good day by the defense. I'll talk about, you know, to not be labor the point on Kevin Stefanski, but the first touchdown we had, the.
I don't know, is that Marshawn Lynch's celebration when he dove into the end zone. Devin Bush did the, the backwards crotch grab and you got the personal foul that backed up the extra point.
To then go back to back on them to have the return touchdown also go through with the exact same celebration like just continues to be an illustration of the lack of account and leadership and just the vacuum of leadership that occurs on a Kevin Stefanski led football team to, to literally do the exact same thing that, that hurt your team previously.
So I mean that would have, that would have been. That should have been, you know, Stefanski shorts. Andre Schmidt should have been pissed off about that, but just can't do it. But the fact that these guys feel like they can and because it's the last game of the season and we're not playing for anything and we're goof off just speaks to the overall lack of accountability and lack of leadership on this team, which we continue to see week to week to week.
Look, I'm not saying that the touchdown celebrations aren't cool. You know, the NFL has, you know, clamped down on what they're going to call penalties on this year. So I'm certainly not.
Touchdown celebration prude.
I would love to see more of that stuff. But the fact is, in today's NFL, you do get flagged for those things. So you have to be smart. And there's other ways that you can celebrate.
I mean, we've seen some ridiculous flags thrown all year long on celebrations that, you know, frankly shouldn't have been, but it's. It's how the NFL is, is officiating it this year. So you have to be smart.
And while I didn't enjoy the actual celebrations themselves, personally, if I was a player on that team, especially on that special teams unit that has struggled this year, if I'm the kicker, especially to have to kick my extra points from almost 50 yards, yeah, I'd be pissed off about that. And I think he'd have a right to be.
But it's just, it's just, it's just a dumb penalty, right? It's a. It's a dumb thing. It's unnecessary unforced errors. And. And this team does that every week. Not grabs their crotch in the end zone, has unforced errors, and you just can't do it. You can't. You can't win football games and intentionally hurt yourself.
Hippies saying, what are you saying here? Let's see the back dive on the touchdown. Yeah, yeah. Again, cool celebrations, very athletic.
But overall, you just can't continue to do things that hurt the team. So I don't know what happened to red hot running jams. He.
He apparently died here. I'm just rolling solo right now. Anybody want to call in and talk?
Guess we're just killing time here till he gets back because we were about finished up here, but otherwise, I guess. Anybody have dog of the week nominees in the comments?
Outside of Miles Garrett for breaking the sack record, anybody see anybody else of note today? Because I sure didn't. I would have to go with Miles Garrett for my dog of the week nominee.
I don't see anyone else, so I think that's fair. I don't know if we're gonna get Red Hot Ronnie James back here before we conclude, but I would say for the big bone man, for red hot running jams and for myself, we'll probably all go with Miles. I think that's a worthy nominee for this week because he did set the overall sack record.
Good job. Out of him. Oh, we might have Red hot Ronnie James back. There he is.
[00:40:37] Speaker B: I'm back. I'm back.
Yeah, I'm Back live shows.
[00:40:44] Speaker A: I just nominated Miles Garrett for dog of the week across the board for all three of us, so I wasn't.
[00:40:48] Speaker B: Going to do that this week.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: Oh, you're going somebody else? Who you got?
[00:40:53] Speaker B: I'm. I got Miles Garrett.
[00:40:55] Speaker A: You've got Miles Garrett yourself. Okay, well, Bowen and I are also going Miles Garrett. There's no one else that even has no.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: There's no one else. There's no one else. Shador, even with the, you know, leading the drive at the end and. And Schmidt with the game winner, totally redeeming himself from. Redeemed himself earlier in the year, which is kind of special probably for him doing it against Cincinnati when that's when it kind of all went south to be in the year. But, yeah, I mean, it's Miles Garrett. Everybody's gonna vote for Miles Garrett. I don't know why we have to ask everybody, but I'm gonna ask everybody. I'm gonna have you guys vote again tomorrow, and it's gonna be Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett or Miles Garrett. So you choose. Choose wisely.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: Fair again. Else you want to discuss?
[00:41:38] Speaker B: Oh, Miles Garrett is the best defensive player that the Browns have ever had.
James Tinchy on Facebook. You can suck it.
Miles Garrett will forever be in the record books as the all time sack leader, at least until somebody steps up and comes along and. And breaks that.
[00:41:54] Speaker A: But I'm just glad that that that's the. The route that I took at the start of this year, which is I'm done with the Miles Garrett criticism because he is the best defensive player we've ever had. And then it just so happened that that same year he set the NFL sack record. So.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And to be fair to. To James Tinchy, who I call out all the time for hating on Miles Garrick. Cause that's all he does.
There's other people that say the same things you do occasionally. Last year we said the same things.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: But that's why, all in all said at the beginning of the year, like, I can't do it anymore though, because like, while there may be fair criticism at times of Miles, like, he's the best player on the field, so I can't be perfect. Can't blame anything on him anymore.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: Yeah, like, his job is to rush the passer. He is the best in the world at rushing the passer. That's what he does.
I mean, hippie picks.
[00:42:46] Speaker A: Good. Good question.
So this will be in fact, our final live show of this season.
We will continue to pump out shows here.
[00:42:57] Speaker B: It's funny because his name is actually Twat.
It's Ty. It's Twat.
[00:43:01] Speaker A: Well, we'll continue to pump out shows here pretty much through the super bowl just to kind of track the rest of the happenings in the NFL. Obviously, it looks like we're are headed toward a coaching search, so we might.
[00:43:14] Speaker B: Take one or two weeks off between that. Probably one week off between now and then. I know I'm on vacation one week anyways, so.
But for the most part, yes, still weekly shows through the super bowl and then our, I think our final show of the season, our final regularly scheduled show is the week after the Super Bowl. So, like the Thursday after the Super Bowl.
[00:43:32] Speaker A: Yeah, so we'll take a short break there. We'll come back with a draft special, and we may have a couple of shows, depending on what events we get involved in during the off season. But then we usually start back up in and around training camp kind of simultaneously. So we will take some time off here. We appreciate you listening and appreciate you jumping in with comments all season long.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been. It's been phenomenal. Everybody that's joined the live show, we really, really appreciate it. Kenny, do you have any final thoughts?
[00:44:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I do.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: Should I sit back for this one? Should I just. No.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: I mean, I don't have anything, but I just.
Just want to make myself very clear because I feel like the last two weeks, if.
If it feels like I've softened my position on Kevin's defense.
[00:44:29] Speaker B: Oh, you love Kevin.
[00:44:30] Speaker A: An awful coach and keeping Kevin or keeping Andrew Barry around, that's definitely not the case. I. I was simply pointing out that for folks that like Shador and want Shador to have a chance, I think his best chance at seeing playing time next season is for one or both of those guys to stick around.
But that being said, you saw today a thousand different reasons why both of these guys need to go. The. The lack of depth, the lack of talent, the lack of execution on offense, the lack of imaginative play calling.
We knew we were going to see a reverse because that's the only thing that we can do, and we almost dropped it. All of those things combined. Like, this team badly needs a full reset. I have no use for Kevin Stefanski going forward. If he goes to the New York jets and a Gian Giants and wins the super bowl next year, good for him. Like, I could care less. I will not have any, you know, negative emotions or feelings about whatever he does next in life. I don't care.
I will also say this about Kevin. Just while I'm kind of going off saying, hey, I don't care about Kevin at all. Kevin did provide stability for this organization for the last few years. He brought this team to the playoffs and took this team to a level where they were semi competitive and competitive ish. For a certain period of time. And, you know, some of that was some of the inner workings and personnel that like John Dorsey had laid and even Sashi Brown to an extent, with the tanking and the rebuild. So.
But Kevin did deliver on that. And I think where I'm at with Kevin is where a lot of people were with Baker Mayfield after we lost the divisional playoff to the Kansas City Chiefs, which is.
He's not the guy to take you to the next step. Kevin came here, he did his job, which what was required of him, which was to provide stability to this franchise and at least start winning football games. Because for most of my adult life, this team just never won anything. And no so small bright spots here over the last six years here or so, which has been good.
But. But he's not the guy at this point to continue to move this thing forward and take this franchise to the next level, which is consistently being competitive and consistently being able to challenge for the division crown and for playoff runs. And, you know, I take the super bowl off the table with any coach as an expectation because I don't think that's fair to hold coaches to Super Super Bowls. There's 32 teams, they're all worth billions of dollars and everybody's trying to win and only one team gets it each year. So is it great if you can win two out of, you know, four years or two out of five years and yeah, great. It's legacy stuff that cement you into the hall of Fame for sure. But I would honestly take where the Pittsburgh Steelers have been for the last decade and a half, which is there, or last two decades, really, which is they don't have losing seasons, they have a shot in the playoffs. We don't know what will happen if they're going to win a game or not, but they've at least got the opportunity in the playoffs and they play competitive football year in and year out. That's what I want for this Cleveland Browns franchise, is to be able to turn on the TV on Sunday and have an expectation that I'm going to see quality football and there's a good chance that they're going to win. In fact, I'd like to see them consistently win more games than they're going to lose. They ever win a Super Bowl, I don't know. It's really hard to do. It's kind of fluky. Gotta be healthy at the right time. You gotta peak at the right time. There's a million variables that go into a successful super bowl run, but can you get there? Can you be in the conversation? Is one of the top eight teams, top 12 teams in the NFL, year over year? Kevin's not the guy to do that. Which is fair and fine. Right. Like in all things in life that require growth, you what? You crawl, you walk, you run. Kevin took us from crawl to walk, and that's as far as you're going to get with Kevin. That's a ceiling, and that's fine. He had to get you there. He had to get you from crawl to walk. The guy that will take you from walk to run is somebody else, and it's going to have to be somebody else. So all that to say, I, you know, fully hope that they part ways with Kevin. I would also like to see them part ways with Andrew Barry. I know we had a good draft this year, but if you look at this team and the offensive line that has been assembled, this wide receiver room has been assembled, it's absolute hot garbage. And that was all done and orchestrated by this guy, this guy that brought in Deshaun Watson and did the guaranteed contract and created the cap hell and the turmoil. All of the personnel moves that have been simultaneous with the Stefanski regime, they've been lockstep really, up until this year on all these things. So he does not get a pass here either. I want to see both of these guys gone and I want a full reset. I want them to build this team in the right way and be competitive year over year. And these two guys are not the two to do it. That's my final thought.
[00:50:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
And just to piggyback off of that, my final thought is good riddance. Kevin Stefanski.
Yeah, I mean, we've talked at length about why we don't like Kevin Stefanski.
You just went on a pretty long tirade there about why we don't like Kevin Stefanski.
And yeah, it's just the worst offensive scheme I've probably ever seen in my life.
It's just year in and year out of bad.
There's no discipline, there's no accountability, there's pre snap penalties, there's bad clock management, just all kinds of things. Bad calls on the field in general, just when we should go for it, when we shouldn't go for it, when to be aggressive, when to not be aggressive. All of those things. I'm sick of watching. But then on top of it, you just have the simple fact that he can't answer any questions.
We constantly get the we. We've got to be better. I've got to be better. It starts with me, and we will be better, but we're never better. We're never better. We've never been better.
And I'm just tired of it.
He coached the aggressiveness out of Baker Mayfield.
He's coaching the aggressiveness out of Shador Sanders.
People like to sit there and tell you that he hasn't had any quarterbacks. He's had 14 different quarterbacks since 2021. Not saying that all of them were winners, just saying he probably should have found one somewhere along the line.
[00:51:30] Speaker A: And I can't buy that either, because the desean Watson move, that was their swing. That was their swing at getting their.
[00:51:36] Speaker B: Guy, and I was getting there. So the. The mind you, this is the guy that chose to come here for Baker Mayfield. Then he chose to move on from Baker Mayfield for DeSean Watson.
And as much as people want to say that wasn't his move, he was definitely involved with that. You don't sign off on that. And that was the story. You talked about this. That was part of the story, was that he was the final ace up our sleeve. We sent him down to talk to desean Watson, and desean Watson fell in love with his scheme and everything that he did.
How that's even possible, I don't know, because the scheme is ass.
But he also chose not to bring Flacco back in 2024 and then bring Flacco back in 2025 when he was a year further down the line. And. And kind of the magic was all used up and he overdrafted Dylan Gabriel and gave him starting starters reps in practice and let him play for half the season when he was clearly not the answer.
Not to mention we're top 10 in past attempts the last three season again this season. And what do we have to show for that? We've literally Never finished above 14th as an offense since he's been here, when.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: It'S just a non sequitur. Right. If you're gonna say if the defensive Kevin is he hadn't had a good quarterback, he hasn't had the right quarterback or a guy that you could win games with a quarterback, I would argue who is the right consistently throw the ball more than it. Like what coach doesn't say, well, then we better be darn good at running the football. If we don't have a good quarterback here.
[00:53:03] Speaker B: And the crazy part about the yard, you had Nick Chubb for most of his time here.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:09] Speaker B: And now you have Quinn, Sean Judkins, and for most of this year, even though he had a decent rookie season, obviously ended up hurt. But you didn't utilize him properly. So.
And you haven't. And this goes back to your Barry comments. We haven't built an offensive line for any of these people. People like, what are you doing?
Yeah. And so I guess my point is, regardless of what's going on, good riddance. Kevin Stefanski, because it doesn't matter. All the other discussions we're going to have, it doesn't matter about should they stay with Shore, Sanders, should they go with the quarterback high in the draft, should they do any of this. It doesn't matter. Because if Kevin Stefanski is your head coach next year, your offense will be ass, your offensive scheme will be ass, and your quarterback will be ass. It doesn't matter. You've got to get this guy out of the building. He did what he needed to do here. He kind of, I guess he built stability. But again, I would argue we have. We've had 14 different quarterbacks since 2021. So is that really stability? I don't know.
I keep hearing that word. But. But I've seen just chaos since he's been here. Whether it be in the locker room, on the field, or both. It doesn't matter. It's been chaos.
Yeah, stability. Because we've had the same head coach and GM for. For six years. That's the only stability we've had.
But good riddance. Kevin Stefanski, I'm done with you.
Yeah, so that's my final thought with that. I mean, Kenny, you got anything else to add here?
[00:54:37] Speaker A: That was my final thought. I'm out of thoughts.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: All right, well, let me remind everybody to call the burger Sportscast hot take hotline. One more time, everybody. That's on here live. James Frank, Hippie Dewey, all these other guys. Make sure you're calling the hot take hotline. 330-227-8081. Where's the number? Kenny?
[00:54:57] Speaker A: 330-2278-081330-22780.
[00:55:04] Speaker B: Call now.
We'll. We'll go ahead and listen those hot takes on air and we'll put them on our show on Thursday.
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[00:55:34] Speaker A: We'll have our normal show out on Thursday. This week we'll do a quick kind of playoff preview wrap up.
King of the north brings any Browns news.
[00:55:46] Speaker B: Let's give everybody an update. Do you know who won king of the north this year, Kenny? Well, we don't know who won. Do you know who lost King of the North, Kenny?
[00:55:53] Speaker A: I. I lost.
It was me.
[00:55:56] Speaker B: Hey, can we remind everybody what's going to happen to you because you lost?
[00:56:00] Speaker A: Sometime between now and next year, I will be getting a full Brazilian wax.
[00:56:06] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:56:06] Speaker A: To my lady bits.
[00:56:08] Speaker B: Yeah. So feels bad. And how many times have you lost in a row?
[00:56:13] Speaker A: Every time.
[00:56:14] Speaker B: We've had King of the north for four seasons and Kenny has been punished every single season. The punishment only goes to whoever comes in last and that's always Kenny. So yeah, yeah, we'll wrap that up. What else we got.
[00:56:30] Speaker A: You know, and we'll bring you whatever, you know, Brown's news updates happen. Hopefully, hopefully Kevin gets fired. We can start talking about a new coach. Coach and then all the other things. You listen to the burning response for like the same takes over and over and over and over and over again.
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[00:57:27] Speaker A: I was gonna say somebody is a hippie. Keeps asking for the David and Joku video.
Oh, I don't know how Twitter really works. So I'll have red hot running jams like retweet it or something so you can find it on, like, our page, maybe. Is that a thing?
[00:57:44] Speaker B: I would wish it on Kenny James Frank. I would wish it on Kenny.
[00:57:51] Speaker A: Are you even listening to me or are you just talking?
[00:57:53] Speaker B: No, I don't care about you. I'm just. I'm laughing at these comments about you getting a Brazilian wax.
[00:57:57] Speaker A: If he keeps asking about the video of in Joker signing the guy's belly. I said, I don't know how Twitter works. Works you. You do that thing. So can you retweet it or something on our. Our social media page? On the Twitter?
[00:58:08] Speaker B: Yeah, send me the link. I'll retweet it.
[00:58:09] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: I'll put it out on the twotter.
[00:58:11] Speaker A: So it'll be out there. You can find it there.
[00:58:13] Speaker B: Yeah, Kenny's getting a Brazilian wax. That sounds like a problem.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[00:58:21] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning River Sports.
[00:58:25] Speaker A: Burning River Sportscast.
[00:58:26] Speaker B: Good night.
[00:58:27] Speaker A: Thank you all for. For a fun year of live shows.
[00:58:30] Speaker B: The Brown suck, but this was fun.
[00:58:32] Speaker A: Yeah, this was fun.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: So good night, Cleveland.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[00:58:35] Speaker B: Good night, Akan.
[00:58:37] Speaker A: Good night, Sam.
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