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[00:01:16] Speaker C: It'S time. Time for the Burning river sportscast. It's also time for one of the most boring seasons on the sports calendar, with pitchers and catchers just now reporting and weeks before we'll see the NBA playoffs. We wait. We wait to die, wait to live, wait for an absolution. Mostly we just wait for any NFL news. So you may as well pull up a chair and wait with us while we make brilliant plans for the Browns and make fun of things we don't understand. And we'll break it all down for you next on the Burning river sportscast.
How far does the first Amendment go?
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Pretty far.
Pretty far.
[00:02:04] Speaker C: That was the most boring piece of podcast or radio that's ever been made.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: You know, we can't. They can't all be winners.
[00:02:10] Speaker C: That was definitely not a winner.
What does the government know about exotic animals?
[00:02:16] Speaker B: What don't they know about exotic.
[00:02:18] Speaker C: Well, they don't know much dick about exotic animals, I guarantee you that.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Listen, we're getting off track here.
[00:02:23] Speaker D: Well, here in Ohio, you can have exotic animals at your house.
[00:02:26] Speaker B: That's true. That one guy had them in Columbus and they all escaped.
True.
[00:02:31] Speaker C: He should have charged more for admission.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: And then he would have had better cages.
[00:02:34] Speaker C: He would have had better cages.
[00:02:36] Speaker D: I think he let them all free and then killed himself.
[00:02:38] Speaker B: Listen, we weren't going to go there, but Bone man took us there.
He's going to have a shirt off. All the big brazilian booty ladies are going to be hanging out screaming at David Najoko. He's going to be loving it. Kenny's going to be watching. Kenny's literally going to tune in just to watch big booty brazilian women.
[00:02:56] Speaker C: I think if that does happen, how.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: Many times can we say big booty brazilian women?
[00:03:00] Speaker C: I think if that does happen, our.
[00:03:02] Speaker B: Show just got turned. It was so slow.
[00:03:05] Speaker D: Brownsbackers, Brazil.
[00:03:14] Speaker C: Welcome in to the Burning river sportscast, presented by Tapin'Media and brought to you by Seaside events, is the official cruise event provider of the Cleveland Browns and organizer of the Browns fan Cruise. I'm Kenny Thunder, joined by judge Judy's illegitimate love child, Red Hot Ronnie Jams, and on the board today, ancient Egypt's most coveted adult film star, first time lover, longtime fertility God, the big Bone. Man bone. What is the secret to your motility?
[00:03:41] Speaker D: Man, I'm stumped.
Usually I got something, but I eat a lot of red meat.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: Perfect. Nice.
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[00:04:49] Speaker C: It's almost time for warm weather gear.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Warm weather gear.
But yeah. So there's no football this week?
[00:04:56] Speaker C: No. For the first time all year.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it felt really bad. There's no football. I didn't know what to do with my hands. Still don't. No idle hands. What's that? I don't know.
[00:05:07] Speaker C: Anyways, idle hands are the Lord's playground.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Yeah, something like that.
Put that on a shirt. Today on the show we've got for you part one of a three part series that we're starting.
And basically what it's going to focus on is what the Browns will need to focus on this offseason. Today's discussion will focus around the players that are set to become free agents from the current Browns roster. Part two and three of this will be coming in the next few weeks. They will focus on draft prospects and free agent prospects, respectively.
You'll also hear the return of the burning river rundown today.
[00:05:46] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: We'll take a quick trip around the NFL. No alumni interviews today. I really want to talk to Hanford Dixon. I hope he calls.
But in the meantime, go back and catch a few of the old ones. Great stories to be heard. Just a taste of what you'll hear on the Browns fan cruise as you're rubbing elbows with these guys, if you will. And we also started cutting those up into reels, right? Reels, shorts, TikToks, whatever the hell they are, depending on what social media you're on.
[00:06:15] Speaker C: My elbows are raw.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: All right. And we are officially in the offseason, so you can expect our shows to be a little lighter from now until the preseason starts. But for now, I say to football what Rose Dawson once said to Jack while not letting him on her door and instead allowing him to freeze in the ocean and sink to the bottom. Come back, come back. Come back, come back.
But we'll get this thing started with the Burning river news story of the week.
All right, so this week, Tiger woods officially launched his new apparel line, Sunday Red through tailormade. Kenny, tell us about Sunday red.
[00:07:22] Speaker C: Sure. So this is story of a girl. This is the story of a girl.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:07:28] Speaker C: I remember Luke Cole saying that in fifth grade talent show.
Shout out to Luke Cole, wherever you are these days.
[00:07:36] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:07:36] Speaker C: So this is the first time that Tiger woods is big news because he's been sponsored by Nike for his clubs, balls, shirts. Obviously when they stopped manufacturing playing goods, he was still wearing their clothes. Had the iconic Tiger woods, the TW logo. So this launch was the official beginning of essentially a departure over the last three decades of tiger wearing anything but Nike. So this new brand is brought to you by Tailormade. Was a huge deal this week. Came out with a bunch of fanfare because he was playing in the Genesis open and all things were going good. He showed up on Wednesday, said he was there to win.
They kind of launched the new logo here that we have up for you. It's just a tiger.
[00:08:28] Speaker B: We'll talk about that in a minute.
It's something.
[00:08:31] Speaker C: It's something.
So anyway, again, got off with this big fanfare, big start. Launched the new line Sunday red. Cool name, right? We all know Tiger wears red on Sunday's championship red. That's been a staple of his game forever.
[00:08:45] Speaker B: Why did they space it out, though? I don't understand.
[00:08:48] Speaker C: I don't really know. I thought it was something to do maybe with chinese words, I don't know. But I guess I think it's just Sunday, right, China.
But anyway, Tiger played on Thursday. Opening round, shot one over.
Absolutely hollow rock.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: Blazing hot start.
[00:09:06] Speaker C: Absolutely. Hazel rocketed his shot on 18, which he just admitted. He's like, I just hit a straight hazel. He's like back specimens and I don't.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: Know, I'm not what I once was.
[00:09:17] Speaker C: And showed up on Friday. Played pretty well until what we've become accustomed to is Tiger woods finishing with the old WD.
Had to withdraw because apparently he had influenza so bad that he was so dehydrated that he could not function anymore and had to have an iv put in right there at the golf course.
So another tournament, another tiger woods withdrawal, which is probably about the same thing we've seen for the last seven or eight outings for Tiger woods, for one reason or another, whether it was back or his knee. And now apparently influenza got him. But either way, this was the start of a new era in at least merchandising with Taylormade, as we have the new Sunday red logo with Tailormade. It's little tiger.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: It's a logo.
[00:10:10] Speaker C: A couple parts.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: It's a logo. I saw a bunch of people comparing this thing to Greg Norman.
[00:10:16] Speaker C: Shark does look a little like the.
[00:10:20] Speaker B: I mean, it's. Look, here's the deal.
The TW with Nike was one of the most iconic sports logos around.
[00:10:29] Speaker C: One of the greats.
[00:10:31] Speaker B: Why the billionaire, that is Tiger woods would not pay for that. And just say, this is mine, I'm taking it with me.
[00:10:37] Speaker C: And they've asked him since, they've said, do you have any plans to maybe bring that back? And he said he is not interested in the lease. He said, that was a phase of my life. It's over and done with and we're not going back to it.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Just don't understand. It's such a great.
When you get a good logo, you don't change it.
[00:10:54] Speaker C: No, I mean, you just think, like, there's millions of people that have that TW hat.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:10:59] Speaker C: Like all over.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: Like, that was the most sought after. I just remember going shopping for golf hats at the beginning of the TW. Hat always stuck out. If there was one. Yeah. If they even had them on the shelves, because they were always gone.
[00:11:18] Speaker D: If you look at it left to right, it looks like a crocodile.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: Yes, it does. Look. It's so underwhelming, because I was kind of looking at it, and I was hoping to find some subliminal message of some sort, like maybe there was some writing in it or maybe it spelled something out, or it's literally just like an abstract.
[00:11:38] Speaker C: Apparently on this, there's some kind of indication to his championship. Major championships.
[00:11:45] Speaker B: Something to do with the stripes.
[00:11:46] Speaker C: Stripes. I guess. I don't know. Apparently they will update it should he win another major. But if we know anything, just by recent history, it doesn't look probable for the 48 year old.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: I'm a huge Tiger woods fan, and I was one of the people that was like, I think he could do it still. I think he could do it still. But given the last, like, three years specifically. And there's the car accident, everything else, and car accident under suspicious circumstances.
[00:12:16] Speaker C: You mean the one where you just hit the gas?
[00:12:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:18] Speaker C: No break. All gas, no brakes.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. I just don't see it happening. I think before that, I still would have gave him the benefit of the doubt and said, he's got enough left in the tank to make some magic here and there after that. And his back is basically. He's just basically the bionic man at this point.
[00:12:37] Speaker C: Well, that was kind of what he said after you withdrew.
They were all like, well, I thought you were feeling good. I thought things were good, and then you had back spasms. He's like, my back's fried, man. What did you think?
[00:12:49] Speaker B: He's like, it's a miracle if I can make it through a whole tournament.
[00:12:52] Speaker C: So I kind of look at this right now. I'm just, like, playing the numbers game. You're 48 years old. He probably has three to four years of, like, if he can get healthy to where it's a possibility for him. But I think once you hit 51, 52, if you aren't in tip top shape, which he clearly isn't, it's just too hard to compete on today's tour. These guys now are so long.
[00:13:17] Speaker B: The only person that's done it in recent history is Phil Mickelson. Right. Turn the clocks back one time.
[00:13:22] Speaker C: Yeah. And you do it one time, and everybody gets excited, and it's great. I'm sure there's probably one of those left in there for Tiger. I just don't know if it's on a major championship.
So do I think he could win a tournament again, feasibly, in the next three to four years? Probably. It's just like, does it time up with the majors. And I don't know that that's going to happen, which is sad, but I just think, look, father Time's undefeated. It's one of those things where, hey, we'll always have those memories of tiger growing up and being the dominant force that he was, and we'll never see anything like it again.
[00:13:52] Speaker B: Where did it all go wrong for Tiger?
[00:13:54] Speaker C: Nine iron through a back window escalade.
[00:14:00] Speaker B: I mean, that could be it. Yeah, that could have been it.
[00:14:02] Speaker C: If Tiger was still neck deep and muff, like, he'd probably still be winning tournaments.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: You think he'd just be free playing free out there? He's like, just be dick swinging.
[00:14:11] Speaker C: Just going home to the swedish Nightingale every what's.
[00:14:15] Speaker D: What city am.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: You know, him and Stevie Williams would probably still be tight. He would just be still covering for all his extramarital affairs, and he'd just still be winning tournaments. But that whole thing just broke him. Broke him entirely.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:29] Speaker C: It's unfortunate, but either way, I think a lot of people were excited about this product launch, thinking it's tiger. We have something else to kind of root for. And I would just say, personally, I was a little bit underwhelmed.
It's just like you said, it's an iconic logo to. Going to something new is always hard.
I would have personally went with, like, you've seen the cutout of Tiger woods, like, doing the fist pump, like, with his putter.
[00:14:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that would have been like, jump man, the one that I liked.
And I don't know if maybe Nike owns this one too, just because it was while he was with Nike. But for like half a season, on and off, he wore just like the.
It was like a cartoon replication of his driver.
[00:15:19] Speaker C: Know who probably owns that is probably.
What's it called? The company that made his head cover?
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Daphne's.
[00:15:24] Speaker C: Daphne's.
[00:15:25] Speaker B: Daphne's probably does own that because probably can't use their image. Although it was a cartoon of that. So it's like inspired by. I don't know.
[00:15:32] Speaker C: How far does the first amendment go?
[00:15:35] Speaker B: Pretty far.
Pretty far.
[00:15:38] Speaker C: I think can only make cartoon caricatures.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: I don't know. Sue me.
[00:15:41] Speaker C: Someone else's product.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: Sue me.
[00:15:43] Speaker C: Make it my primary logo.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: I'm not inviting anybody to sue me. I'm just kidding.
[00:15:47] Speaker C: Please don't sue us.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: But you'll be disappointed.
[00:15:52] Speaker C: Go get your Sunday red gear.
[00:15:54] Speaker B: Sunday red in stores now. Tailor made Sunday red.
[00:15:58] Speaker C: We're not affiliated with them at all.
[00:15:59] Speaker B: No, not at all.
But with that, let's talk about Brown's. Pending free agent.
[00:16:06] Speaker C: Should I stay or should I come?
Should I stay or should I come?
There will be trouble.
[00:16:21] Speaker B: Okay, guys, so what we're going to do here is, like I said, we're going to talk about all the free agents on the Browns current roster that are basically scheduled for their contracts to be up. They'll be hitting the open market here. So we're starting with unrestricted free agents and we're starting with the offense.
Let's just go ahead and jump right into it. The most important position on this whole thing is, well, one of the most important positions is probably quarterback. For us, it'll be backup quarterback, whoever's going to be the backup to Deshaun, because we have a $230,000,000 quarterback that's fully guaranteed. That is going to be the starter. It'll be the starter. And so we have three quarterbacks whose contracts are set to expire that will be hitting the open market.
Number one, PJ Walker. Let him go.
[00:17:04] Speaker D: Let him go.
[00:17:06] Speaker C: If I never see PJ Walker in a Browns jersey again, it'll be too soon.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. Jeff Driscoll. Good with letting him go. He was just brought in here for emergency at the end of the season.
[00:17:16] Speaker C: He was basically brought in to help bolster Kevin Stefanski's coach of the year award.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: Yeah, he's like, here, you want to be a fifth quarterback?
[00:17:21] Speaker C: Be a fifth quarterback. Yeah, no problem there.
Joe Flacco, this is the one that I think is an interesting one.
[00:17:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, I mean, what are your guys? We'll start over here with Kenny. Kenny, what do you think about bringing Joe Flacco back? Should they bring him back? What should that deal look like?
[00:17:38] Speaker C: Look, obviously the guy's 39 years old now.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: That's pretty old.
[00:17:43] Speaker C: You have that going for you. But I'll say this, he's actually middle aged.
I've still never seen anybody else run Kevin Stefanski's offense as well as this man.
To me, I think that's valuable. Look, I think there was close to 70 quarterbacks that started games in the NFL this year.
So just by the sheer statistics of that, you know, at some point someone else is going to play quarterback for the Browns this season besides Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco has a track record, a proven track record of doing it efficiently, being able to win games. This doesn't have to be. You're not pinning yourself down to any kind of long term contract here. I mean, this should be a two year deal, and whatever Joe Flacco wants to make I don't know what his expectations can't. I can't imagine that at this point in his career he's thinking he's going to be able to be a bridge starter or a full time starter somewhere. Possibly that's on his mind. But I just think this, even if.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: You are, you're not going to get paid like a real, you're not going.
[00:18:45] Speaker C: To get that big contract. So I just think, I know even.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: On our show, there was some speculation that he might have played himself into a contract for like a one year, maybe some legitimate money. But I don't even know that that's the case because he's 39 years old and yeah, he won comeback player of the year, but he also, on the flip side of it, while we saw the magic in the legend that is Cleveland Brown's quarterback, Joe Flacco, grow and grow. He also threw a lot of interceptions. He did.
[00:19:12] Speaker C: But I think with an offseason under working with the team, I think that those things would get cleaned up.
[00:19:18] Speaker B: But my point is, I think that he threw enough interceptions to give other teams pause as far as saying, like, yeah, let's sign this guy to be our starter next year.
[00:19:26] Speaker C: I just don't know, looking at the free agent market for quarterbacks, and I know maybe we'll talk about that next weekend or next, but I don't know that you're going to find a better free agent quarterback than Joe Flacco out there and he has a track record in this offense and, you know, he can win games. So to me, that's ultimately the most valuable piece is that if and when Deshaun Watson goes down, do you have somebody that you can rely on? And obviously we still have DTR on our contract.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: He's going to be. You're not paying him that much, but.
[00:19:55] Speaker C: Would you rather have DTR play next year? Would you rather have Joe Flacco, like, in a pinch Joe Flacco?
[00:20:01] Speaker B: Yeah, after, after what I've saw this.
[00:20:03] Speaker C: Year, definitely Joe Flacco. So to me, this is the one deal they should get done. I don't know what his appetite is again. If he's thinking he can go somewhere and play bridge for a year and get paid 20 or 25 mil, I don't know.
But to me, this looks like a two year, $22 million deal.
Give them the going rate for the backup ten, $12 million a year and call it a day.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: Well, and I know we talked about it a little bit last week, but I think that just as far as internally for the Browns, they just need to make it abundantly clear to Deshaun Watson, like, he's the backup, you're the starter.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: I mean, if they wanted to win games and it was only about winning games, I would say no. We're bringing Joe Flacco back in. We're going to see who the best quarterback in camp is. But the politics won't allow that.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: That's what mean, and for better or worse, we are. Deshaun Watson, at least for this next season, for sure, is going to be our quarterback. I know there's a lot of people throwing around some crazy trade scenarios. They're not going to happen. He's going to be our starter next year.
[00:21:02] Speaker C: It would be interesting if we ended up with, like, Justin Fields out of that mess.
[00:21:06] Speaker B: That might be the only one where they would entertain a trade is because he's young and we don't have any.
[00:21:11] Speaker C: Draft capital to get.
[00:21:12] Speaker B: You saw the one with. There's a rumor out there of. Not really a rumor. It was just like a scenario that was thrown out by one of the guys over at ESPN, and I think it was ESPN, and he said that they should trade Deshaun Watson for Daniel Jones in a second round draft pick. And it's like, yeah, Daniel Jones.
[00:21:31] Speaker C: That's not going to happen.
[00:21:32] Speaker B: Well, that's not going to happen. It's just not going to.
Um. Justin Fields would be interesting, but, yeah, he's gonna be our starter. Deshaun Watson is going to be our starter. So I think that, like you said, with the politics of it and everything, they just need to make that clear. This is the distinction. We're signing him to be the backup again.
[00:21:51] Speaker C: But I just think the most important thing is, like, look how nobody expected Nick Chubb to go down in week mean, if you lose Deshaun in week.
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Two next year and you got Joe Flacco, I feel okay.
[00:22:01] Speaker C: And you got, like, you feel like, okay, we can still be competitive this year if you go into week two and DTR is your plan and you back that up.
[00:22:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I just think about. Because next year, at some point, Nick Chubb will be healthy again. Assuming he's still on the roster, that's a whole different story, which we'll get there.
But if Nick Chubb's still on the roster and you got healthy Joe Flacco, I like our chances.
[00:22:22] Speaker C: Yeah, you feel pretty good. And if your plan is to go in next year with DTR as your primary backup and you sign a Trubisky or Mason Rudolph or somebody to be the third quarterback on your team, that doesn't do much for you, right? So I just think when you have talent, you should make it, you should pay it and keep it on your team. And Joe Flacco, for better, for worse, for being for 39 years old, has proven that he can be effective in this offense specifically. Right. We know he flamed out in Denver and in New York, but you hit gold with him here in Cleveland, so I don't see how you don't.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: I think he just took the right.
[00:22:58] Speaker C: Offense, something done right. It was the right time, right place, right system for him. And I'm telling you, 70 starting quarterbacks this year. I mean, you never know when your guys get good. You hope it doesn't happen. You hope that Sean stays healthy all year long. But the fact of the matter is you have a guy that's relatively, if not moderately like to positively mobile in the Sean, like a guy that likes to run around, a guy likes to extend plays. That means he's going to get hit and he doesn't have a great track record of late of being able to stay healthy.
I just would rather have a guy back there that I feel like I could ride him into the playoffs if I had to bone.
[00:23:37] Speaker D: I would love to have Flacco back. I mean, as Kenny was talking about, he's proven in this system he can win and he cleans up the turnovers, I think, great insurance policy. I mean, I wouldn't skip a beat if he got the starting job, you know what I mean?
Deshaun goes down second week, third week, whatever it is he has to fill in. I think anybody who roots for the Browns would be like, oh, okay.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it would be awesome.
Obviously, Nick Chubb was the first big blow to Browns fans this year, this past season. But when Deshaun went down, everybody just lost their minds. Everybody's like, oh, God, it's over. It's so.
[00:24:16] Speaker C: Like the backups were PJ Walker and DTR at the time.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: But that's what saying. So, like, it would be nice to, if something did happen, you're like, okay, everybody just breathe. We're okay. It's not the end of the world, right?
[00:24:28] Speaker C: I mean, I just like, look, there's no buddy, no team in the NFL that knows backup quarterbacks like Cleveland does. And we've seen so many bad ones.
I just think whatever he wants, we.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Just name two of them right before him.
[00:24:45] Speaker C: I would pay him because you can't do that again. You can't bring PG Walker back on a three game skid if he had to. You just can't do that.
[00:24:54] Speaker B: No, the human turnover.
But yeah. So I think we're all in agreements here. I think it'd be nice to see Joe Flacco come back as the backup quarterback, whether he's. I don't even care if you say DTR is your primary backup, is what you're going with, and you bring Joe Flacco because I don't know if that would even stick. But if you want to say that because he's the young guy, because he.
[00:25:17] Speaker C: Is the young guy, you can practice squad him, you can keep him as your third quarterback and work to continue to develop him, obviously you got new coordinators in the building. It's going to be a whole new year for a guy that, to be honest, he struggled a bit last year. So is there golden in their hills? There might be, but I think it still needs work.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: It just goes to show, you remember last year after the preseason, everybody was so hyped on DTR, and then they realized like, oh, and you play real players, it's different.
[00:25:46] Speaker C: And he had a great little bit.
[00:25:47] Speaker B: Different instead of playing four string.
Next up here, though, Kareem Hunt. Running back Kareem Hunt.
Look, I know he's a fan favorite. He's a local kid. People really like him. He's a veteran presence. But I'm going to be honest, if Kareem Hunt goes, I'm not going to be that upset about it. I just am not. Because the production is just not there. And I said it. Between him and Jerome Ford, both of them averaged like 2.5 yards of carry this year. It was bad. They were not good. And you can't tell me it was the offense. I know there was injuries and everything else, but Nick Chubb, year in and year out, averages five and a half yards of carry, no matter who was on the line.
[00:26:32] Speaker C: Right?
[00:26:32] Speaker B: So you can't tell me that's the reason why they averaged two and a half yards of carry. But they did. They averaged two and a half yards of carry this year. So if he goes, he goes.
[00:26:40] Speaker D: Short yardage cream seemed valuable this year. It seemed like he scored quite a few touchdowns. But like you said, aside from that, I feel like you can upgrade and get a guy who's going to hopefully get three and a half, four yards of carry and can still get in the end zone.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: And even in that scenario, there's a ton of free agents that you could go get that could be a good short down or short yardage back.
[00:27:01] Speaker C: And to say I would almost rather reserve that roster spot and see this Browns team bring in a true full back like San Francisco has in jusic.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: Imagine Nick Chubb with a real fullback.
[00:27:17] Speaker C: In front of him just because Kevin Stefanski likes to do that, where he's always bringing extra linemen in to play fullback, especially in goal line and short yardage. I'd rather have a guy that is used to running the ball and used to lead blocking, being like the primary guy there, as opposed to having some random center that I'm probably going to need throughout the season that's 305 pounds and doesn't move that well.
So I would almost rather see them hold on to that roster spot for a true fullback because I think it's valuable in Kevin Stefanski's offense. Kareem, again, like Kareem, love what he's done for the northeast or an Ohio guy. Anyway, I wouldn't be mad to see them bring him back through camp and run him through, but if you have to pay, wouldn't expect him to make.
[00:28:04] Speaker B: The team, which you don't really have to pay any money for him at this point. Nobody's going to pay him.
One, he's a running back, and two, he's just past his prime and nobody.
[00:28:13] Speaker C: Signed him last year.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: So that being said, yeah, if he's not going to make a lot of money, I want them to resign him as like a veteran presence in the running back room.
[00:28:23] Speaker C: Well, I think it depends too on a, what they do with Nick Chubb, and it depends on whether what they do in the draft, because if you can get a stud in the draft in the second or third round and you go, hey, look like this is their air parent to Nick Chubb, and then it's like, okay, we don't need cream at that point, but obviously, attrition, injuries, things like that. I wouldn't mind having that guy on speed dial to do just like we did.
[00:28:43] Speaker B: You mean tell me Jerome Ford's not the air apparent?
[00:28:45] Speaker C: I sure hope not, if that's their plan. I'm scared.
[00:28:48] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. You kind of just mentioned him a second ago. Next up here is fullback center, which is the oddest.
[00:28:56] Speaker C: I would call him center fullback.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: Like the oddest description of a player I've ever heard my life. But that's officially from the Browns. Nick Harris plays both positions.
[00:29:05] Speaker C: He told them to put some respect on his name and give him the fullback title.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: You better call me by both of my positions instead of just one.
[00:29:12] Speaker C: I'm going to be out here lead block.
[00:29:13] Speaker B: I'm the most athletic center you've ever seen, but still not very athletic running.
I mean, I don't know. This is kind of one of those.
I don't care if Nick Harris goes. We do need more depth on the line. So that's actually probably where he's more valuable, is at backup with center. But you got Luke Whipler still.
[00:29:38] Speaker C: Everybody's getting, look, he's a, he's a depth piece, right? So this isn't one that kills you. You're not going to go far into the cap to try and retain a guy like that. So it's probably one that they'll likely sign just because he knows the system and it won't cost a whole lot. But in terms of, like, do you have to have this guy back?
No.
[00:29:58] Speaker B: Well, and to your point, if they were to go get a real fullback, he would definitely be gone.
[00:30:04] Speaker C: True. Because you don't need.
[00:30:06] Speaker D: He is like the primary backup center, correct?
[00:30:09] Speaker C: Yes.
He was drafted to be the starter, and then obviously we had just a bunch of shit go down the line.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: But Luke Whipler was hurt most of this season. Okay.
And he was drafted to be probably the backup center until potentially they move on from Pochick because he's played himself probably into a really big contract, his next one. So most likely when his contract's up, he'll be gone. And I think that's why they drafted Whipler. Okay.
[00:30:42] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm not losing any sleep over Nick Harris.
[00:30:45] Speaker B: No, me neither. Michael Dunn up next.
Offensive guard.
[00:30:50] Speaker C: I put him in the same category as Nick Harris. I mean, he's a depth piece on your offense.
[00:30:54] Speaker B: These are guys that they could bring in basically anybody off the free agent market at a low price.
[00:30:59] Speaker C: And they're probably paying these guys close to veteran minimum, maybe throw them an extra few dollars because he's been here and knows the system.
[00:31:05] Speaker B: The only problem is we no longer have the best offensive line coach in the game. So how these guys get coached up is true. Going to be interesting.
[00:31:14] Speaker C: I guess we'll see what Andy Dickerson does with these guys, but he's probably.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Like one of the next best in line there. I mean, he's got a really good reputation, too. But not Bill Callahan level.
[00:31:25] Speaker C: He's not Bill Callahan.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: No.
[00:31:26] Speaker C: No one is Bill Callahan.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: No, nobody's Bill Callahan.
Next up, though, tackle Jaron Christian. This is a guy that I think they need to.
[00:31:40] Speaker C: Know. It's interesting because you still don't know what you have in Tidrick Wills. Tidrick Wills.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: He's so forgettable.
[00:31:52] Speaker C: Well, and I think that probably goes to tell you like, he's been here for five years and all, you know.
[00:31:57] Speaker B: Him by his turnstile.
[00:31:58] Speaker C: You still don't know what you have in him. I think the problem is he was an early round draft pick, and so you want to capitalize on that potential because he's on your team.
[00:32:05] Speaker B: It's just so frustrating because the potential, even now, I know that overall he's been pretty much ass, but every once in a while you see him do something, you're like, oh, there it was. And then three plays later, he's back to turnstiles.
[00:32:18] Speaker C: He's a young, strong guy, so you'd like to be able to mold him into something. That being said, john Christian filled in for him this year and played pretty, didn't we? Didn't have questions about the left tackle all year long. No, it was, hey, there's a backup in there, and maybe he's not the best in the league, but he's doing.
[00:32:33] Speaker B: A good job if nothing else. I think to me, you resign Jaron Christian to push Jedrick Wills, and you say, look, he played well last year, so he's getting a fair shot at the starting win. You guys got a battle. And, oh, by the way, Jed Wills, if you lose, we're probably cutting. So agreed.
[00:32:53] Speaker C: I think the other thing, too, that we keep in mind here as we're going through these, and it's like, yeah, I'd like to keep that guy. I'd like to keep that guy for death pieces. The cap situation isn't good.
[00:33:01] Speaker B: No.
[00:33:02] Speaker C: And they're going to have to do something, obviously, with contracts and work things out. But that being said, the cap situation is still bad. So even some of these guys that you could sign for veteran minimum, you just may not be able to because.
[00:33:15] Speaker B: Well, those are still big things that are yet to come. Is Deshaun Watson going to restructure his deal?
[00:33:22] Speaker C: Is Nick Chubb going to restructure his deal?
[00:33:25] Speaker B: There's a lot of discussions on the table. I mean, I'm sure there's a number of other guys that they're probably going to try and restructure with that haven't even made the news yet.
[00:33:33] Speaker C: Denzel's got a big contract.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: That's probably another one. He's had a lot of injuries, but he has been one of the best corners in the entire league anytime he's been on the field.
[00:33:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of those discussions to be had, and because of that, I expect, I mean, honestly, we're going through this list, and we're going to talk about the ones, where do we think we should keep them? Do we think we should get rid of them? In all honesty, it's probably going to be almost full turnover.
Most of these guys will, most likely, especially on the offensive side. As I'm looking through this, most of the offensive guys will be gone.
[00:34:05] Speaker C: Well, like a guy like Jerome Christian probably could get paid on the open market if he was going to go into free agency and say, look what I did last year for the Browns, and he would make more than veteran minimum.
I just think you may lose some of those guys that we were kind of probably you'd like to keep them, but the fact is, in the cap situation you're in, you're going to be stuck signing guys at a veteran minimum at some point this season.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: Next up here, though, tight end Harrison Bryant. Here's the one that he's been around a little while with the Browns. He's had some really good games with the Browns. He's come up in big overall. I mean, David Najoku is the tight end for the Browns. Everybody behind David Njoku on the depth chart doesn't matter. So would I like them to keep Harrison Bryant? I like Harrison Bryant, but he's going to be gone, and I don't really. I mean, it's fine.
[00:34:57] Speaker C: I've had enough Harrison Bryant. I think that experiments run its course here. I don't think that he's ever going to be a top tier tight end in this league. I don't think he's an exceptional blocker or pass catcher, so he's just very average. I'd love to see them draft a young guy to play behind Njoku and maybe get some snaps that way. You still have the kid. They signed from Texas last year.
Why am I blanking on names right now?
[00:35:23] Speaker B: You're really bad at this.
[00:35:27] Speaker C: The guy's name don't play with.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: Deshaun.
[00:35:30] Speaker C: Yeah, Deshaun.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: He played so many snaps. Yeah, he played so many snaps.
[00:35:35] Speaker C: So you still have him on the roster.
So to me, it's like, I don't need Harrison Bryant. I'd rather see him go young there.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I'd agree. Bone, what do you think about Harrison Bryant either way?
[00:35:49] Speaker D: Yeah, I wouldn't be upset if he got cut or just didn't get resigned.
[00:35:53] Speaker B: Or, um, and then we get into the wide receiver room, which this is going to be a really interesting, it's kind of a focal point of the offseason is what you do with these wide receivers, not only the ones that I'm about to mention. But what do you do in free agency? What do you do in the draft? It's just going to be a big area that needs to be addressed because our wide receivers outside of Amari Cooper just did not get it done. This.
So we'll start with Marquise Goodwin. He was on a one year deal last year, hurt most of the season.
Didn't really get to see his speed.
[00:36:27] Speaker C: Alongside the blood clot thing going.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: Mean. Do you think they bring him back and try know Deshaun Watson will be healthy this year? Do they try and get him back on another one year deal?
What's the play here?
[00:36:41] Speaker C: I mean, what, did Marquise Goodwin catch three balls this year?
[00:36:45] Speaker D: Maybe one memorable over the top from Joe Flacco?
[00:36:48] Speaker C: The dude's 33 years old.
I have no interest in resigning him at this point. Whatever I'm going to save in not signing him, I think I can put to use better somewhere else.
[00:36:57] Speaker B: I would agree with, like, well, here's the next name on the list is Jaqueem Grant. I'd much rather them try and resign Jaqueem Grant. I mean, not that I necessarily want them to resign Jaqueem Grant either, but out of the two, I'd go Jaqueem Grant over Marquise Goodwin every time.
[00:37:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, look, he obviously, it was unfortunate that he hasn't played the.
[00:37:18] Speaker D: Snap for us for two years. He's had, like, seizing, ending injuries, but.
[00:37:23] Speaker C: He'S two years younger than Marquis Goodwin, so if one of them has more gas in the tank, it's going to be him.
[00:37:31] Speaker B: Especially because he's well rested.
[00:37:34] Speaker C: Well rested and he's versatile. Not that mark. He's Goodwin's not. But they're going to use him in the kick return Game. Likely.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Here's a guy that probably puts both of them out of a job is James Prochet.
That's probably who they keep because he actually did a pretty decent job returning, at least as far as he was pretty sure handed when he was back there. I don't know. I think there might have been maybe one muffed kick, one muffed punt, but he was pretty sure handed returning.
[00:38:03] Speaker C: I mean, here's the thing, right? We went from Donovan Peoples Jones, who was doing absolutely nothing in the return game, to at least having a guy that we had confidence in the catch a ball, right?
[00:38:14] Speaker B: I wasn't worried every time.
[00:38:16] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know that James Crochet is setting the world on fire for anyone. I don't even know that he's a good possession receiver, but out of the group that we have, if you're looking to not turn over the whole room, he's probably a guy that you look to resign.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: Yeah. So let's run through these all real quick. I'm going to go back through the offense. Just tell me if you think they're going to stay or go.
PJ Walker.
[00:38:41] Speaker C: Gone, gone.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: Jeff Driscoll. Gone, gone. Joe Flacco. Should keep, should stay.
[00:38:49] Speaker D: He's coming back.
[00:38:51] Speaker B: Kareem Hunt. Gone, gone. Nick Harris. Gone, gone.
[00:38:54] Speaker D: Keeping him.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: Michael Dunn. Gone, gone.
[00:38:59] Speaker C: Could stay.
[00:39:00] Speaker B: Jaron Christian, I would say hopefully staying.
[00:39:05] Speaker C: I think because he'll be able to make more money playing probably where he's probably gone, which is fair.
[00:39:10] Speaker D: That's a good point. I'd like to see him.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: Yep.
Tight end Harrison Bryant. Gone.
And all three of these wide receivers, Marquise Goodwin, Jaqueem Grant and James Prochet, any of them you want to stay?
[00:39:24] Speaker C: I would hold on to James Prosher.
[00:39:26] Speaker B: Just because of the punt return kick.
[00:39:28] Speaker C: Punt return, kick return. Mean the hope is you find another.
[00:39:32] Speaker B: Guy in free agency, though that right.
[00:39:33] Speaker C: Those guys are hard to find, clearly, because we haven't been able to find one.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: I think all three of them are going to be gone.
[00:39:42] Speaker C: Very possible. Just because I think they're going to redo what they did with the defensive line with this wide receiver room this year. I think there's going to be a bunch of new names in that agree. I think Amari Cooper is the one that stays. And obviously you have young guys in David Bell and Cedric Tillman, but outside of that, I expect them to bring in a bunch of new faces, whether it be the draft and for agency.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
And then we'll go to defense.
[00:40:07] Speaker C: This draft class is apparently really deep at wide receiver.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: That's what they've said about the last three. And there have been like two or three good receivers in each one of.
[00:40:17] Speaker C: See guys like Puka Nakua that come out and it's like they're pretty good.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: Okay, well, I said there was two or three guys you named, so I.
[00:40:26] Speaker C: Don'T think he was like, on anybody's draft board as being the top receiver.
[00:40:30] Speaker B: We'll move over to the defensive side of the ball. These first five. Yep, you heard that right. Five are all linebackers. We'll start with Matthew Adams.
[00:40:38] Speaker C: So here's the interesting thing about that.
You can't get rid of all of them because you don't have any linebackers.
[00:40:44] Speaker B: Right.
So Matthew Adams depth piece, I think he's gone.
[00:40:49] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't think he's probably gone.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: He's just kind of. Anybody could fill in for him.
[00:40:53] Speaker C: I don't know how old he is.
Do we know how old Matthew Adams is? I mean, maybe if you can keep him on the.
[00:40:58] Speaker D: I've literally never heard of the guy.
[00:41:01] Speaker C: 28 years old.
[00:41:02] Speaker B: He's gone.
[00:41:03] Speaker C: He's gone.
[00:41:04] Speaker B: Jordan Kunichick.
[00:41:06] Speaker C: Look, this is a guy that they liked more and more as the season went on, had some trouble staying healthy. But from what I understand, Jim Schwartz and this coaching staff really like Jordan Kunachik. How do you say his last name, Kunichick?
That being said, I don't know that I would be able to pick him out of a lineup if I saw him outside.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: That's fair. I mean, I don't think he really got a lot of time this year. I saw him a few times on the field and heard his name, but I don't think he got a ton of playing time this year.
Most likely probably gone well. I think that a guy that you're going to miss because I think because.
[00:41:48] Speaker C: All of these guys are an expiring contract, it opens up some really interesting possibilities to remake this linebacking core because really out of this group I'm looking at Matthew Adams. Kanachic Jacob Phillips has been hurt literally his entire career with the Browns. True. I don't have any use for any of those three guys.
[00:42:09] Speaker B: Well, and Jacob Phillips is next one up. I think they actually keep him because he's been hurt his whole career and they need to still fill that roster spot. They have to have linebackers and they've said all along he actually has some potential.
Didn't he get to play a little bit the first few games this year and showed some potential and actually showed some flashes.
[00:42:29] Speaker D: He's fast.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Then he went down.
So I think Jacob Phillips comes back and I think they get him for a pretty big bargain because he hasn't.
[00:42:38] Speaker C: Been able to play trash. Get rid of him.
[00:42:43] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:42:44] Speaker C: Look. But I say that because I look at the next two names and I.
[00:42:47] Speaker B: Go, these guys are guys we need to bring.
[00:42:49] Speaker C: Backytaki is probably a guy and he's come back. I think the last two years you've seen really positive growth out of him. I agree.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: He's down the stretch.
Was he one of the ones that got hurt at the end of the season?
[00:43:03] Speaker D: He might have been.
[00:43:04] Speaker C: Everybody was banged up a little bit.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: But I was going to say I thought down the stretch he filled in and played well. But then I started thinking about it, maybe he got hurt last like two weeks of the season.
[00:43:15] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:43:16] Speaker D: Does he normally fill in for Anthony Walker when he's out?
[00:43:21] Speaker C: I mean, they've had to rotate so many guys through because the linebacking core.
[00:43:26] Speaker B: Has just been a complete hodgepodge of, like, whoever the hell can fill our linebacker group or our linebacker spots. That's who we're putting in.
[00:43:34] Speaker C: The thing is, with the way this Browns defense is set up, it's really like linebacker by committee. Right. Because you have J-O-K but J-O-K is so a. He's not like a Ray Lewis type. He's not a Lawrence Taylor type.
[00:43:50] Speaker B: No, he's more like a Troy palomalu.
[00:43:52] Speaker C: Type all over the field. Right. So it's like you would like to be able to have somebody that's like a stalwart.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Anthony Walker was playing really well this year.
[00:44:02] Speaker C: Yeah. And I just think Anthony Walker is one of those guys that he's always been a try hard, and I like that about him. But he's also getting older and he's also been brittle with injuries.
To me, from a character standpoint, I'd like to have Anthony Walker back. I think he's a good locker room guy, and I think he's productive, but based on where he is in the market, I think he's somebody that can get a nice deal outside of Cleveland, and you probably won't get him back.
So to me, I'm looking at Taki. Taki being the only guy out of this group that I absolutely have to have back again we're up against. It's like you got to make the decision between, like, I like this guy. I'd like to have him back.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: Well, you're probably looking at an extension this offseason potentially for.
So, yeah, I would agree with you. I mean, as much as I don't want to see Anthony Walker go, I think as far as the bigger names, the two bigger names here, Sioni Takitake and Anthony Walker, he's more likely to go because I don't think, even though Sioni Takitake played well and has played much better just as he's progressed, I don't think he warrants any big contracts right now anyways. No, I don't get him back.
[00:45:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I think you'll be able to get him back at a reasonable price.
I think he's a good piece. He's a really good piece to have.
[00:45:18] Speaker B: Yep. Next up, Mike Ford Jr. At cornerback.
He was a pretty decent depth piece this year. He came in and played some meaningful.
[00:45:26] Speaker C: Minutes yeah, there's a guy that definitely proved its versatility, I think, a lot this year because he had to play kind of all over in the secondary, did have some big moments, made some big tackles.
[00:45:41] Speaker B: This is what I'll say about do.
[00:45:42] Speaker C: I have to have Mike Ford Jr. On my team?
I have significant investment in newsome. I have significant investment in ward. I have investment in my safeties at this point.
To me, he's a cap casualty guy.
[00:45:57] Speaker B: Here's what I'll say about Mike Ford.
I think we keep him, and I think it's because we're all going to be very surprised later in the offseason when the Browns trade like a Newsom, or it's probably going to be Newsom is who it's going to be because they have Denzel Ward and they have Martin Emerson, who both played really well anytime they were on the field this year.
And Newsom played well, too, and he's also a Pro bowl caliber corner. But most teams don't have the luxury of having three for a reason because those guys demand big paychecks and Newsom is going to need paid here so well.
[00:46:38] Speaker C: And I think if you look at the corners right now, the corner situation, if you're going to lose one of.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: Those corners, it's Newsom.
[00:46:44] Speaker C: I think it's mean because he's your most expensive player on the defense, besides Miles.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I see where you're coming from, and he's the oldest.
[00:46:53] Speaker C: He is the oldest and he's the most injury riddled.
[00:46:58] Speaker B: But the crazy part is I don't have the stats off the top of my head. I went back and looked at the number of games that he missed and it wasn't nearly as many as I thought it was.
[00:47:10] Speaker C: I think he played through injury a lot this year.
[00:47:12] Speaker B: He just is always on the injury report.
[00:47:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: But I don't know.
[00:47:23] Speaker C: It's always hard to say goodbye to fan favorites, but the thing that I always go back to with this Browns team, especially given the window they have with guys like the corners that we just mentioned, can you still win a.
[00:47:35] Speaker B: Championship with Newsom and like, like, what.
[00:47:39] Speaker C: Have you won with these guys? Yeah, I'd love to keep cream hunt on the team. What have you won with?
I love. I'd love to keep Denzel till he retires. I'd love him. David Brown, what have you won with Denzel?
[00:47:49] Speaker B: Nothing.
[00:47:50] Speaker C: So at some point, the only thing.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: With Denzel and the reason why I think they keep him is almost the same exact scenario played out with Joe Hayden and Joe Hayden went on and played very well with the Steelers for quite a few more years before he kind of was relegated to backup.
[00:48:06] Speaker C: Sure, sure. Well, I don't think it's a question of can Denzel even still play? It's like, can I bring in somebody that can be productive? That costs a fraction of what know.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:21] Speaker C: Could Mike Ford be signed and play in the Backfield with Newsom and Emerson and without, like, could we survive?
[00:48:29] Speaker D: Brown scouting department on DBS has seemed to be pretty solid the last few years because they've brought in some guys. You're like, where'd that guy come know?
[00:48:36] Speaker B: Martin Emerson is a perfect example.
What was he, 3rd, 4th round pick? Nobody might even been later than that.
[00:48:43] Speaker C: AJ Green is another one. AJ Green just played significant minutes. Yeah, that's a good point bone. They've done a good job bringing defenders secondary.
[00:48:53] Speaker B: I will say, I'm not disagreeing with you that it might be Denzel. I think one of the big three corner, and I think the one that's safe for sure is Martin Emerson.
He's the youngest. He's still under his rookie contract. He's not going anywhere. So I think either Denzel Ward or Greg Newsom is going to be gone before the season starts.
[00:49:15] Speaker C: You got to remember, too, the Browns drafted two corners last year. So you have Khalif Hayalassi and Cameron Mitchell.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: Cameron Mitchell played both waiting in the wing.
[00:49:26] Speaker C: Played well to be potential starters someday.
[00:49:30] Speaker B: Well, if you're talking about, for whatever it's worth, if they really like Northwestern in the coaching staff in the front office here, then you got Newsom and Cameron Mitchell would be the guys you keep.
[00:49:44] Speaker C: It is crazy. Denzel is only 26, right? Seems like he's been in the league a lot longer than that, right? Well, he only for six years.
[00:49:52] Speaker B: Yeah, he only played two years of college football, so he came out and he's instantly one of the best corners in the league.
[00:49:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know. It's a tough one, but I think one of them will be gone. Newsom or Denzel I think is going to be.
[00:50:07] Speaker C: Well, the good news is those guys aren't on expiring contracts.
[00:50:09] Speaker B: No, the only one is, I think they keep Mike Ford because of that.
[00:50:14] Speaker C: I think he's gone because I think they have depth there already and they.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: Have guys that can play there staying in the secondary, safety Rodney McLeod. This is an interesting one. I think you got to actually pay him a little bit. He played well again this year when he was in.
I would love to have him just. I think he's going to be a cap casualty.
[00:50:33] Speaker C: I think because he's coming off injury, you might be able to resign him, but agree. I think he was a nice piece to have him and Harmon both. John Harmon played well, is older, so I don't know that you need. He's probably a gone guy, but Roddy McLeod, if I was picking one of these guys, for sure, I would want to resign.
[00:50:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I would love to have Roddy McLeod back. I just don't know if it's doable with the cap space.
[00:51:00] Speaker D: You got Ronnie Hickman in the wings, too.
[00:51:02] Speaker B: That's the other.
[00:51:03] Speaker D: Played well.
[00:51:04] Speaker B: It played really well when he played. He was a big surprise last year. Unrestricted free agent, basically paying him nothing.
Yeah, I think he might end up being like, the number two behind Juan Thornhill.
[00:51:20] Speaker C: Yeah, I could see that.
John Harmon is 33.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: John Harmon is gone.
[00:51:25] Speaker C: There's no way they're bringing him back.
[00:51:26] Speaker B: As well as he played. He's gone. He had one last crack at it and did well.
[00:51:30] Speaker C: Yeah, Rodney McLeod is a guy like that back.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: And then we get into the defensive line, which is interesting here, because there's a lot of big pieces that would be ideal if we brought back, but we're not going to be able to bring all of them back. So defensive ends at Darius Smith is the first one.
I want him back. I don't know if we can afford him.
[00:51:54] Speaker C: Can't afford?
[00:51:57] Speaker B: I don't. I don't think you can afford it. Which sucks, because then we're going back to double teams on miles. I mean, it's always double teams on miles, but like, double and triple teams on miles because they don't have to account for another tight end or another defensive end on the other side.
[00:52:11] Speaker C: Yeah, look, Isaiah Thomas is still there. They like Isaiah Thomas a lot.
I just think you're not going to pay him.
He's worth more and more than we can give him.
[00:52:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
So I think Zadaria Smith is gone. Next three are all defensive tackles, Jordan Elliott, Maurice Mohurst and Shelby Harris. Of these three, I think Shelby Harris probably goes.
[00:52:40] Speaker C: Of these three, I'd like to see Jordan Elliott go. I'd love to keep Maurice Hurst and Shelby Harris both.
[00:52:45] Speaker D: Why was shelby Harris available? We got him, like, late at the beginning of the free agency.
[00:52:51] Speaker B: He was just kind of sitting out there. I think nobody wanted to really pay him anything. We're like, whatever, we'll give you a one year deal. And then he was hurt for most of the season, wasn't he?
Or he just not do anything.
[00:53:03] Speaker C: I just think he didn't get in a whole lot trying to think this because was he, did we treat mohur?
[00:53:11] Speaker D: I was kind of thinking I heard shelby Harris's name a lot throughout the year.
I don't have any numbers to back that up, but his name stuck out to me.
[00:53:19] Speaker B: You don't hear their name much anyways.
Mohurst, though, I mean, mohurst was hurt most of the season. At least a portion of the season. Played well while he was in, though. I would like to get him back. Jordan elliott was kind of a depth piece.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: Shelby harris apparently played all season. He played 17 games well.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: Dang.
[00:53:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Look, I think shelby harris is a good piece. I think mohurst is a good piece. Mohurst obviously got hurt.
I've had enough. Jordan elliot.
Jordan elliot has never done anything for me.
And in a tight cap here, I got no use for guys like that. That just, I've been waiting to develop and have never done think.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: I don't know. I agree on jordan elliott. Mohurst probably like to have him back. We got him pretty cheap this last year, and I think you get him pretty cheap again. It's not like he lit anything up this year or anything. No.
And shelby harris, the fact that I didn't even know he played the whole season tells me that his price tag will go down this year.
[00:54:27] Speaker C: Why do you think? He was a big rotation guy. They did a good job of keeping those guys fresh on a defensive line all year long.
[00:54:33] Speaker B: Yeah. So let's run it back with the defense. Matthew adams. Gone.
[00:54:38] Speaker D: Gone.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: Jordan kunichick. Gone, gone. Jacob phillips. Stay.
[00:54:46] Speaker D: I think he's going to be gone.
[00:54:49] Speaker B: Sioni takitake. Stay.
Anthony walker. Gone.
[00:54:54] Speaker C: I'd like to keep him gone.
[00:54:56] Speaker B: Mike ford Jr. Gone.
[00:54:58] Speaker C: Gone.
[00:54:58] Speaker B: Well, keep him. If there's a trade, I think he'll stay, but if there's not, he's going to be gone. Roddy McLeod. Hope he stays, but I think he's going to be gone.
[00:55:10] Speaker C: I think Roddy stays.
[00:55:12] Speaker D: I'd like to see him stay. I think he'll stay.
[00:55:14] Speaker B: Duran Harmon. Gone.
[00:55:15] Speaker C: Gone.
[00:55:16] Speaker B: Zidari Smith. Gone.
Jordan Elliott. Gone.
[00:55:20] Speaker C: Gone.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: Mo hurst. Stay.
[00:55:23] Speaker C: Stay.
[00:55:25] Speaker D: Yeah, I guess. Stay. I don't. I don't know.
[00:55:27] Speaker B: Shelby Harris. I think he stays as well. Going back on what I said originally, I think he stays.
[00:55:32] Speaker C: Well, if you get rid of. Yeah, I mean, you gotta sign somebody to be.
[00:55:36] Speaker B: Somebody's got to play defense.
[00:55:37] Speaker C: And again, we're late on draft.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: Yep. And then finally, special teams here. Punter Corey Bajoroquez. I think it's a no brainer. You resign him.
[00:55:45] Speaker C: Out of all the guys on this.
[00:55:46] Speaker B: List, he's number one. Yeah. You got to resign.
[00:55:48] Speaker C: He's got a bomb of a leg.
Was huge all year long for this team. Anytime he needed a clutch punt, I think he shanked one or two, but they all do.
[00:56:00] Speaker B: Most games he averaged like 53 yards a punt or something stupid.
[00:56:04] Speaker C: And it seems like when you needed a 70 yard punt, he was there. He was there.
[00:56:09] Speaker B: There is one exclusive rights free agent, and that's defensive end Sam Kamara. I think if somebody tries to sign him, they'll just let him go.
[00:56:17] Speaker C: Agreed.
[00:56:19] Speaker B: And that'll do it. I mean, that's everybody. Those are all the rotating pieces for the Browns that we're going to have to probably fill the void from as we get into next season.
[00:56:30] Speaker C: I wish we had a contract counter to see what those guys were worth this year, to see how much that would save you in cap space. Yeah, I mean, that would be.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: The funny thing is, you add all these up and it'll save you like.
[00:56:41] Speaker C: A quarter of, like $12 million.
[00:56:46] Speaker B: We get to sign one person, right.
But, yeah. So that'll do it for the free agents. Let's go ahead and get to the burning river rundown.
[00:57:08] Speaker C: Piece of podcast or radio that's ever been made.
[00:57:11] Speaker B: You know, we can't. They can't all be winners.
[00:57:13] Speaker C: That was definitely not a winner.
[00:57:16] Speaker B: We'll definitely be more excited and have a lot more to talk about. When we talk about prospects, it felt.
[00:57:20] Speaker C: Like it was important to talk about, but the fact is that there's 25 names and most of them don't matter.
[00:57:25] Speaker D: Yeah, I was like, a lot of these players are just like, there.
[00:57:29] Speaker B: That's true. But, I mean, I think it's have.
[00:57:31] Speaker C: Them because you got to fill it a roster.
[00:57:32] Speaker B: But it sets the stage, though, for, like I said at the top of the show, it's a three part series. We have to talk about who's leaving before we can get into the exciting names that could possibly replace.
[00:57:43] Speaker C: I know, it's just like a three hour movie. That should have been a two hour movie.
[00:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I get it.
[00:57:47] Speaker C: Way too much backstory.
[00:57:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it was like half hour of podcast. That should have been like twelve minutes.
You're welcome, fans.
[00:57:54] Speaker C: You're welcome. That was painful anyway. That was painful for us. We can only imagine how painful it was for you.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: Yeah. To kick off the burning river rundown, we've talked about the chess match between the Browns owners and the city regarding the stadium. We talked about the new site, all that stuff last week, dome versus open air versus retractable roof. Everything there was to talk about, about the stadium. We talked about it last week. But it was reported this week that the Browns owners pitched to the city last year a $1 billion stadium renovation, with the city picking up half the bill. And the city said, nah, we don't like that.
[00:58:31] Speaker C: I don't know. The city has a half bill to.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: Just put it in the stadium. Yeah, there's that.
And I don't know, that could have been coming from multiple different places, but basically, the Haslams said they would pay for half of it, is what it boils down to.
[00:58:46] Speaker C: Which, again, I think we talked about this in depth last week, but as much as I hate taxes, taxation and government revenue isn't real revenue. Right? It's taxpayer dollars.
[00:58:58] Speaker B: That's what it is.
[00:58:59] Speaker C: They call it revenue, but it's taxpayer dollars.
That's not real money. That doesn't come from anything productive. It's just pulled from taxpayers.
[00:59:06] Speaker B: But you're taking my money from me.
[00:59:08] Speaker C: But if I look at the city of Cleveland and I say keeping the stadium on the lakeshore benefits all these businesses, it benefits the people that live in the area, you are almost stuck having to pay something on the stadium, because if you want eight to ten weekends a year where your city is packed full of an extra 100,000 people to see a game that are visiting bars and restaurants, everybody there does, and buying, going to your stores and things before and afterwards, I can only imagine what that number is worth. The city of Cleveland, from a full economic standpoint, if you looked at those ten days of the year versus any other day or any other ten days of the year, those have to be some of the most successful days. For all the businesses downtown on East.
[00:59:58] Speaker B: Forest, especially probably this year, like, the Browns are playing well. So you know that all those places that are showing the Browns game and whatever else downtown are packed, right?
[01:00:06] Speaker C: I mean, look, look. Just as we talked with the Browns backers all year, like, this team was good this year and their crowds were bigger. Same thing goes downtown. Like, when the Browns are good, those businesses downtown are packed. So is it fair for the city to have to pick up some of the tab?
As much as I hate it, and I'm against it, I kind of almost have changed course on this and think.
[01:00:34] Speaker B: It'S a privilege to have it is.
[01:00:36] Speaker C: A professional team, and the reality is we're a small market, right? We're not Atlanta, we're not Chicago.
Those are places that have three, five, 7 million people in their metropolitan area. And Cleveland has 350,000 people to have a baseball team, a basketball team, an NFL team, soon to be maybe an.
[01:00:56] Speaker B: NHL team here, soon to be, maybe NHL. Soon to be a professional soccer team.
[01:01:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of towns in this country that don't have any of those. Maybe have one if they're lucky.
[01:01:12] Speaker B: Right?
[01:01:13] Speaker C: So we are very fortunate to have that. And so again, as much as I hate the tax conversation, it almost is kind of like if you're going to be a small market and you want to play with the big boys and have new things, you're going to have to put up or shut up.
[01:01:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I hate taxes too, but I kind of agree with you as I've gotten older. Not that I am okay with paying more taxes. That's not what I'm saying. I hate taxes, but it's kind of those like, you want to be in a nicer school district.
How do they pay for schools in Ohio? Even though it's unconstitutional, they use your property taxes, so you pay more in property taxes to have a nice school. And it just is what it is. And I know that's not a great answer.
[01:02:00] Speaker C: It's really not that analogy I can't get on board with that one's different.
[01:02:05] Speaker B: But this one, then I'll use the other one that I always say, like, if I want a really nice zoo in the area, like, you don't have to have a zoo, but I want a zoo, so I should probably pay for it.
[01:02:16] Speaker C: That's another one I hate too, because the zoo should be sufficient on its own. Zoo should be able to pay its own bills. If you're a good zoo, you charge admission and people pay it and come.
[01:02:23] Speaker B: If you're a good football team, you should charge admission and people should pay for it and come to see it.
[01:02:29] Speaker C: The zoo doesn't bring people from all around the country to your.
[01:02:34] Speaker B: Speak for yourself. You don't know about wildlife buffs.
[01:02:38] Speaker C: Once a week during the NFL season and people spend a bunch of zoo. The economic impact of the Akron Zoo is nowhere near. The Cleveland zoo is pretty good, though. The economic impact of the browns playing.
[01:02:49] Speaker B: On the Columbus zoo. People come from all over the world to see they got Jack. Hannah.
[01:02:54] Speaker C: I guarantee that if you added up the numbers, it's not even close.
[01:02:58] Speaker B: I'm just like, no, we all hate taxes. I'm just saying sometimes you got to pay if you want to have something.
[01:03:05] Speaker C: Nice, but the zoo is a business and should be able to support it itself.
[01:03:10] Speaker B: That's a really bad argument when we're talking about a football team.
[01:03:13] Speaker C: Well, no, we're talking about a football team.
The argument is that it benefits the entire city in a meaningful economic way.
The zoo is not driving millions of dollars to bars and restaurants each week.
[01:03:29] Speaker B: That's fair.
[01:03:31] Speaker D: To that point, though, the zoo is open all year.
[01:03:35] Speaker B: Didn't think about that.
[01:03:37] Speaker C: It's its own business.
Why can't it just charge $12 for admission?
[01:03:43] Speaker D: I would actually agree with that.
[01:03:45] Speaker C: What business does the government have running zoos? What does the government know about exotic animals?
[01:03:51] Speaker B: What don't they know about exotic.
[01:03:53] Speaker C: Well, they don't know much dick about exotic animals. I guarantee you that.
[01:03:56] Speaker B: Listen, we're getting off track here.
[01:03:58] Speaker D: Well, here in Ohio, you can have exotic animals at your house.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: That's true. That one guy had them in Columbus and they all escaped.
True.
[01:04:06] Speaker C: He should have charged more for admission.
[01:04:07] Speaker B: And then he would have had better cages.
[01:04:09] Speaker C: He would have had better cages.
[01:04:11] Speaker D: I think he let them all free and then killed himself.
[01:04:13] Speaker B: Listen, we weren't going to go there, but bone man took us there.
[01:04:19] Speaker C: Yeah, sorry, different conversation altogether. Look, I'm just saying, like, we got really off track. Here's what I'll say. If the Akron Zoo moved to Canton, the oddest podcast moved to Canton because Canton was like, we'll give you guys an extra million dollars for your zoo. I'd be like, fucking great. Go to Canton. If the Browns were like, we're going to go to Columbus because the city won't pay half of the stadium bill, I'd be like, that fucking sucks.
[01:04:45] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a great point.
[01:04:47] Speaker B: That's fair. I'll agree with that one.
[01:04:48] Speaker C: Okay, so that's all I'm saying.
[01:04:50] Speaker B: Tushy Tucci. Peter King wrote an article this week for NBC Sports within which it was mentioned that it is very likely the game that will be played in Brazil on Friday, September 6, to open the season, I believe, will be Cleveland versus Philadelphia. So, first of all, Gary Barnage asking you shall receive.
[01:05:11] Speaker C: Hell, yeah.
[01:05:12] Speaker B: Gary Barnage, in case anyone did not catch that interview, was talking up Brazil and how they were so big into football down there, and it was one of the biggest untapped markets in the world for football. And here we are, the Cleveland Browns, potentially going to Brazil to be showcased in front of the entire world. So what do you guys think about this? Are you guys excited about Cleveland playing in Brazil?
[01:05:35] Speaker C: Look, it's huge visibility for your team in your city to be in a primetime game. In another country. That being said, I always hate it because they play at, like, freaking weird times. I don't know what time. I guess Brazil probably is closer to our time zone. Maybe London than like, London. That's a good point. But I hate when they play in London, the games at like 09:00 a.m.
I also just hate the whole London thing because I'm okay with it as an exhibition to go to different countries to expand the reach of the game. I'm not okay with the conversations of, like, what would it look like if we had an NFL team in Brazil? The logistics of it are so stupid. Just like if we had an NFL team in London. You can't put people on twelve hour flights and expect them to play football the next day every week of the season. That's just not realistic.
[01:06:23] Speaker B: Well, the good news is it says it's going to be an evening game Friday night, so that's fine.
[01:06:28] Speaker C: I'm fine with that.
[01:06:29] Speaker D: Look, that's kicking off the NFL season, right?
[01:06:31] Speaker C: Huge.
[01:06:31] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:06:32] Speaker C: Huge visibility for your team. I'm totally for this. I think Brazil. This would be the first game in Brazil. So that's exciting.
Look, I have no problem with this at all. I think this would be a super cool thing for the city. I don't know how credible this is. Peter King is usually a pretty good source, but Cleveland and Philly seems like maybe OD choices. I guess.
[01:06:54] Speaker D: I believe Philly's already set in stone.
[01:06:56] Speaker B: Right? Philly's already set in.
And I think process of elimination and the way schedules play out.
[01:07:04] Speaker C: Well, this is going to be Friday, September 6, because the season starts on a Thursday, so this wouldn't be the actual open of the season.
[01:07:11] Speaker B: True. Okay, so it'd be the second game.
[01:07:14] Speaker C: Yeah. So I guess it makes sense because the opening game of the season is usually like the Super bowl loser or the AFC champion versus something real big from those.
But no, look, I think this would be super cool. I'm all for it.
[01:07:29] Speaker B: You know why I'm excited for this?
I'm not taking one of Cleveland's home games because Philadelphia has the home team.
[01:07:35] Speaker C: I also love big booty brazilian women.
[01:07:38] Speaker B: Well, you do love those.
[01:07:39] Speaker D: You think they're going to be at the game?
[01:07:41] Speaker C: They'd have to be, right? Blowing their horns like they do for soccer games.
[01:07:44] Speaker B: They're vubazelas.
[01:07:45] Speaker C: Yeah, those things.
I love brazilian vubazalas.
[01:07:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:07:50] Speaker D: From a player perspective, I feel like you'd be pumped to go play in Brazil, right?
[01:07:54] Speaker B: I would be.
[01:07:54] Speaker D: You're not going to London once a year, right? You're going to Brazil.
[01:07:59] Speaker C: I mean, you're going down a week early for vacation.
[01:08:01] Speaker B: Talking about players on the Browns that have fun, like David Najoku is going to be just having a ball down here. He's going to have a shirt off. All the big brazilian booty ladies are going to be hanging out screaming at David Najoku. He's going to be loving it. Kenny's going to be watching. Kenny's literally going to tune in just to watch big booty brazilian women.
[01:08:18] Speaker C: I think if that does happen, how.
[01:08:20] Speaker B: Many times can we say big booty brazilian women?
[01:08:22] Speaker C: I think if that does happen, our.
[01:08:24] Speaker B: Show just got turned. It was so slow.
[01:08:27] Speaker D: Browns, backers, Brazil.
[01:08:31] Speaker C: I think if that does happen, the team likely would go down, like three or four days early, probably to get acclimated.
[01:08:38] Speaker B: I take it all back. Let's not do it. There's a lot of trouble that could be had.
[01:08:41] Speaker C: Well, no, but the whole point is to go to grow the game, right? Could you do almost not like the Super bowl media days, but community outreach where you're down there for a day and you go and meet people in various industries and sign out across. There's a ton of good that comes from in terms of growing a game that they can do by being down there for a few days. It would be a huge bonding moment for the team to be able to hang out for a day on the beach and just get acclimated, like, the.
[01:09:06] Speaker B: Culture, because, oh, man, are we going to get the beach photos like we did this past offseason where what's his name was just wearing shirt and shoes.
[01:09:15] Speaker C: Maybe that was Nick chop, wasn't it? Was running on the beach.
[01:09:18] Speaker B: I think it was sweatpants. Yeah.
[01:09:20] Speaker C: Anyway, but that was from Sean's vacation. But no, I think everything about this is cool. I think, again, growing the game is cool. I like it as an exhibition one time a year. I just don't like it. I don't like it shoved down my throat every other week. And I don't like the idea of, let's talk about this now, being a global game and putting a franchise in Buenos Aires. Let's not.
[01:09:43] Speaker B: I feel like as far as making it a global game, like, Brazil actually would make much more sense to put a franchise in than, like, English long, like, they're talking about. I mean, the flights are long. Yeah. So for the players, it's a challenge and that type of thing, but I'm talking about. So you're not saying there's this huge gap in timeframe where all the games are played at like 04:00 in the morning because we're playing over in England.
[01:10:08] Speaker C: But the travel miles for both teams because they got to come play half their games in the states.
And then these teams.
[01:10:14] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the team that benefits the least is the team that is actually playing.
[01:10:19] Speaker C: I don't know how you even do that. And it's just inconvenient for the players, too, right?
[01:10:25] Speaker B: Once they get those super fast jet planes up and going, that's when we could do this.
[01:10:29] Speaker C: Imagine you go to the University of Akron and you get drafted in the NFL and they're like, you guess you're moving to Brazil, bro.
You know anything about Brazil?
[01:10:36] Speaker B: You speak?
[01:10:37] Speaker C: No. Why's where you're moving?
[01:10:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know how they actually. Because they have been talking about that for. It keeps growing. As far as we're going to make this a global game thing, I think.
[01:10:51] Speaker C: The best case scenario is like, what they tried to do in the early part of the 2000s, which is like, have NFL Europe have its own competing league over there that drafts its own players out of Cambridge and these other schools and have college football over there and just develop the game in these other countries and have them have their own leagues.
[01:11:12] Speaker B: And then maybe eventually, when they're ready, you bring them all together.
[01:11:15] Speaker C: Well, yeah, maybe you could probably do like an NFL South America where they play each other. South America wouldn't be crazy if they had their own NFL and, like, NFL Europe, where you had all these different countries.
[01:11:27] Speaker B: Well, I'm saying in playoffs, for example, if you eventually want to bring them all together, just like one game a year, the conference championships from each continent, like, play each other.
[01:11:38] Speaker C: I mean, maybe you do something in a preseason that might.
[01:11:40] Speaker B: Or the preseason is more interesting. That'd actually be kind of cool. Instead of normal exhibition against other teams, you have it against.
[01:11:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess if you played, you could play one game. If you played one game in your international conference each year, that would be something. That was kind of neat.
[01:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know.
We did it again. We got off track.
Coincidentally, Peter King also reported this week that the Browns execs were, and I quote, turned off by Patrick Mahomes mechanics in 2017.
[01:12:11] Speaker C: Like, what did Peter King like, dust off an old burger king napkin?
[01:12:14] Speaker B: He was like, oh, I found all this brown.
[01:12:16] Speaker C: The Browns hated Patrick Mahomes eight years ago.
[01:12:21] Speaker B: I don't really know where this came from, but all I can say is, especially with the Browns front office of the time, I mean, it's definitely on point, right?
[01:12:30] Speaker C: Just the Browns front office at any time.
[01:12:32] Speaker B: It's pretty on point.
[01:12:34] Speaker C: Yeah. I think what's more important here is this just goes to show for the millionth time how hard it is to kind of guesstimate how good any quarterback is that comes out of college based on.
[01:12:48] Speaker B: It's a crapshoot, man.
[01:12:49] Speaker C: Based on statistics and what you see with the test and what you see with their physicals, their measurables and things. And you go, you can always find something wrong with somebody.
And then sometimes they're Patrick Mahomes.
[01:13:05] Speaker B: And it's crazy because even today when you watch Mahomes, like, the analysts will talk about all the. They're like, that was weird. But it guy, the dude throws no look, passes.
[01:13:19] Speaker C: The guy throws passes with his left hand. Sometimes he's just like, this hand's not going to work for now because I'm turned the other way. I just throw this one.
Yeah, those aren't good fundamentals, Patrick, but.
[01:13:29] Speaker B: They break it down.
[01:13:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
Brings me to another good point. How important are fundamentals? Guys like Bret Farv ran this league for 20 years. Patrick Mahomes is going to run his.
[01:13:40] Speaker B: Bret Farv literally threw fundamentals out the window. He's like, fuck, I'm just going to throw it into triple coverage and hopefully something good happens.
[01:13:46] Speaker C: Some of the best quarterbacks had the worst. I mean, go back in time and watch the guys that took straight backdrops out of the shotgun.
But guys, like, unites that did that well. They were the best of all time. Well, their fundamentals were totally different than the fundamentals of Marino.
[01:14:03] Speaker B: Who decides what the fundamentals are? That's what I want, whether they're good or not. Like in 30 years, is what Patrick Mahomes is doing, is that the Fundamentals.
[01:14:10] Speaker C: The only one we can all agree on was dim Tebow had bad fundamentals.
[01:14:14] Speaker D: The only one that he won a playoff game.
[01:14:16] Speaker B: He did. He did win a playoff game.
[01:14:19] Speaker C: He's won way more playoff games than a lot of Browns quarterbacks that came in. They had good.
[01:14:23] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:14:23] Speaker C: Good. What was, Cody, you don't need fundamentals when you got heart and Jesus.
[01:14:30] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[01:14:31] Speaker D: That's right.
[01:14:31] Speaker B: Touchdown. Anyway.
[01:14:35] Speaker C: What was the Browns quarterback that they drafted? The Hugh Jackson drafted? He was like, this kid's going to be good.
[01:14:39] Speaker D: Cody Kessler.
[01:14:40] Speaker C: Kessler.
[01:14:41] Speaker B: Cody Kessler.
[01:14:42] Speaker D: Trust me on this.
[01:14:42] Speaker C: Fundamentally good.
[01:14:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Way to put your career on the line. Down it goes.
Next up here, Deshaun Watson is to resume throwing in March. As he takes the next step in his recovery from the broken bone in his shoulder. Exciting news that the guy that we're paying so much money for is getting back on the field.
[01:15:03] Speaker C: Look, I've heard a lot of guys like exercise physiologists and doctors that do shoulder work. This is a tough injury to come back from anything. You got your rotator cuff inside your rotator cuff.
It's not an easy rehab.
[01:15:20] Speaker B: Well, I think the biggest takeaway from this, from the news that he's going to resume throwing in March is just that we'll know a lot more in March.
[01:15:27] Speaker C: Well, and I think the other thing it does is it kind of milestones, like he's on pace for what I.
[01:15:32] Speaker B: Thought, on pace before throwing and after throwing are two complete.
[01:15:37] Speaker C: Well, no, but I'm just saying what all signifies now is like the surgeries went as expected and he's able to resume throwing, which fair, but yeah, I mean, let's see if he is just velocity and control of the ball now.
[01:15:50] Speaker B: So I guess all we really have to say for this one is stay tuned.
Like I said, being that he'll be resuming his throwing in March, I'm sure we'll know pretty quickly how that throwing is looking and if he's able to make all the throws that he made before.
[01:16:05] Speaker C: I mean, here's the thing. Even if he looks bad, the news coming out of Berea is going to be, he's great. The best we've ever seen. He's stronger than he's ever been.
[01:16:12] Speaker B: That's true.
[01:16:12] Speaker C: It's the best spiral I've ever seen.
[01:16:14] Speaker B: That's true. Nobody throws the best spiral I've ever seen other than Joe Flacco.
That is one thing I will agree with.
Anybody that says they've seen a better spiral is wrong because I've never seen somebody throw it. Just like no matter how he throws.
[01:16:30] Speaker C: It, wherever he throws, it was ridiculous.
[01:16:32] Speaker B: One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
[01:16:34] Speaker C: It was like it came out of a jugs machine.
[01:16:35] Speaker D: Yeah, I think he can touch his thumb and his pointer finger around the football.
I'm pretty sure that's a fact.
[01:16:41] Speaker C: Yeah, his wiener goes all the way.
[01:16:45] Speaker B: That's weird. But what Zach said was correct.
And then last up here, Kenny, last week you said that you thought Brandon Ayuk would be a free agent this offseason. Well, you were wrong. But he is the center of trade talks in San Francisco and his camp is saying he's probably on the move this offseason. And so with that being said, the rumor mill in Cleveland here has obviously started up, and the Browns have been named as a potential suitor for a trade with the state of contracts, cap space, all that good stuff. Two likely scenarios were thrown out in which we would land him. And Jack Duffer, who is a reporter for Orange and Brown report, gave the following scenarios for landing Brandon Ayuk, who I know you would love to have.
Scenario number one, Amari Cooper's gone. I don't like that because that destroys it. What's the point?
[01:17:37] Speaker D: You get Ayuk for Cooper.
[01:17:38] Speaker B: I think Ayuk's younger, younger, bigger, faster, stronger. But, I mean, when you're trying to better the entire receiving was.
[01:17:47] Speaker C: If I was given the option to trade Amari Cooper straight, straight up for mean. Yeah. I'm taking Brandon Ayuk every day of the week. As much as I love Amari Cooper, Amari Cooper hasn't done anything.
[01:17:57] Speaker B: Here's. Here's the more likely one, though, that he threw out and the one that I think might be legitimate is scenario number two is Chubb and Wyatt Teller are both gone.
As much as we need depth at offensive line, we've already talked about, Wyatt Teller could possibly be a casualty because he makes a lot of money.
[01:18:17] Speaker C: He wrestles alligators.
[01:18:18] Speaker B: He wrestles alligators.
[01:18:19] Speaker C: He has a lovely wife.
[01:18:20] Speaker B: Has a lovely wife who send us great Christmas cards.
We love people. He does. But he costs a lot of money. Yeah, costs a lot of money.
[01:18:30] Speaker C: I'm okay with this. As much as I don't want to get rid of Nick Chubb, if Chubb.
[01:18:34] Speaker B: Is going to be leaving, I would like to get something back.
[01:18:37] Speaker C: I think a part of it is, like, I've already accepted that Chubb is probably. We both have, like, with a 99% certainty. I don't expect Nick Chubb on this roster next year.
[01:18:47] Speaker B: I agree.
[01:18:48] Speaker C: Which am I a fan of? That? No.
[01:18:50] Speaker B: Do you agree with that bone, or you think he's coming back?
[01:18:52] Speaker D: I don't like it. I'm going to say he's coming back.
[01:18:54] Speaker C: I don't like it.
[01:18:56] Speaker B: The eternal optimist. Bone man over here again.
[01:18:58] Speaker C: Nick Chubb's my favorite player at the.
[01:19:00] Speaker B: Nick Chubb's my favorite brown of all time.
[01:19:02] Speaker C: Of all time I've ever had a chance to watch. I want Nick Chubb to.
[01:19:06] Speaker B: You know what I'm excited about is not the fact that he's leaving, but the fact that when he does leave, and I say when because I'm with you, I'm 99% sure he's not going to be on the team to start this next season. That is one jersey that I could forever wear proudly and be like, yeah, Nick Chubb was on our team. Yeah, that's pretty cool. But that's the second scenario. Would you do that? You said yes. Would you do this? I do trade Chubb and Wyatt Teller for Brandon Nyuk.
[01:19:34] Speaker D: I would not.
I like Wyatt. I want to keep him and I like Chubb. I'd say we pay him Amari Cooper. I think they're two ballers.
[01:19:44] Speaker C: Amari Cooper, Brandon Ayuk and David.
[01:19:46] Speaker B: Where are you going to get that money?
[01:19:47] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:19:48] Speaker D: That free agent list, all those cuts we're about to make.
[01:19:50] Speaker C: Zidarius.
[01:19:51] Speaker B: We just don't sign anybody.
[01:19:54] Speaker C: Look, Amari Cooper, Brandon Ayuk, and David injoku catching the ball for Joe Flacco. Next year was Super Bowl.
[01:20:02] Speaker B: Super bowl. As much as I hate to say it, I would do the trade just because I think Chubb is going to be gone regardless. I don't want to lose Wyatt Teller. I don't want to lose Nick Chubb. But I think there's a good chance neither of them is on our team next year.
[01:20:15] Speaker C: Again, it goes back to that. I don't want to get rid of anybody. I love all the guys that are on the Cleveland.
[01:20:20] Speaker B: We had a great team this year.
We had a lot of bad luck, but we had a great team.
[01:20:25] Speaker C: Did we win the like? Change is inevitable. And if I can get a guy like Nyuk in his prime, like, if I can get. If I can get Brandon Ayuk in his prime with a quarterback that desperately needs to go back to whatever he was.
[01:20:45] Speaker B: Again, I hate to say it, but I would do this trade.
[01:20:47] Speaker D: I know a couple of years ago Ayuk had some issues in San Francisco. I don't know if he's grown up from that, but I know he was like I would always read stories about.
[01:20:56] Speaker C: If they were being in the dog house.
[01:20:58] Speaker D: And Shanahan won't play him until he gets in his good graces and this and that. I think he sat a couple years ago. He sat quite a few games just because he was trouble.
[01:21:08] Speaker C: To that I'll say. Kyle Shanahan didn't like Johnny Manziel either, so f him.
[01:21:14] Speaker B: I wonder why. Dead wrong.
[01:21:17] Speaker C: And Kyle Shanahan doesn't know the rules.
[01:21:19] Speaker B: This is why I can't take you seriously when you talk about Baker Mayfield. I know they're completely different. But the fact that you love Johnny Manziel so damn much, my favorite quarterback of all time makes me just. I lose all respect for you when it comes to quarterbacks, except for Joe Flacco throwing the tightest spiral of all time.
[01:21:34] Speaker C: Look, I'm not saying Johnny Manziel was Tom Brady on the field.
[01:21:38] Speaker B: Off the field, he's Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady at life, man.
[01:21:44] Speaker D: He literally admitted he paid zero attention to the NFL his whole career. Like, on that documentary, he pretty much said that.
[01:21:52] Speaker B: He's just like, no, he didn't pretty much say. He said it.
[01:21:54] Speaker D: Yeah, he said it.
[01:21:55] Speaker B: He said it.
[01:21:55] Speaker D: He's like, yeah, I didn't care.
[01:21:57] Speaker B: How much time did you spend watching films?
[01:21:58] Speaker C: He didn't watch any films.
[01:21:59] Speaker B: Zero. I did not watch any films.
[01:22:01] Speaker C: He also showed up to games high on.
[01:22:05] Speaker B: Listen, listen. We won't talk about Johnny Manzel today anymore.
[01:22:08] Speaker C: The dude was doing eight ball in the locker room.
[01:22:12] Speaker B: I can't hear you. I've got too much money in my fucking ear.
[01:22:15] Speaker C: Classic. Classic manzel.
[01:22:17] Speaker B: Yeah, classic.
[01:22:18] Speaker C: Doesn't get any better than that.
[01:22:19] Speaker B: Also, to close out burning river rundown, I just want to say we've already talked about it, but we've been talking about Nick Chubb and the $12 million they can save by cutting him since two years ago.
So while it's a hot story, now, everybody's starting to pick it up. NFL.com just posted as the number one candidate in the AFC to be cut, Nick Chubb.
We've been talking about this for a while, so maybe you guys should pay attention because we break news two years in advance.
[01:22:46] Speaker C: I think the interesting thing is, where does Nick Chubb go?
[01:22:51] Speaker B: I don't know. He's definitely going to go to an AFC north team. He's probably going to go to the Ravens, win a Super Bowl.
[01:22:56] Speaker C: I could see him going to the Ravens. Yeah, they respect the running game there.
[01:22:59] Speaker B: He's probably going to go to the Ravens. He's probably going to replace Najee Harris in Pittsburgh.
[01:23:03] Speaker C: And I could see him going to Pittsburgh.
[01:23:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:23:04] Speaker D: Browns can't let that.
[01:23:05] Speaker C: That's the two places I could see.
[01:23:07] Speaker B: Would they have no control over, will.
[01:23:08] Speaker D: They trade them like you guys are talking about? You got some control there, right?
[01:23:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Now you like the trade?
[01:23:13] Speaker D: Well, I don't want to see him go to Baltimore. Yeah, you see, well, I would have done the cooper. Oh, no, the other trade involved. Yeah, I got you. Never mind.
[01:23:22] Speaker C: What if the San Francisco 49 ers started next year with Nick Chubb and Christian McCaffrey in their backfield?
[01:23:27] Speaker B: Jesus Christ.
If they're not favored to win the Super bowl, then nobody's winning the Super bowl. He could run for three like the world's just going to end.
[01:23:34] Speaker C: They could run for 3000 yards.
[01:23:35] Speaker D: How about send them to Houston with CJ Stroud?
[01:23:38] Speaker B: Oh my God.
[01:23:39] Speaker C: I just wonder like what any other students pay for is my question. More not so much.
[01:23:43] Speaker B: I think somebody would pay 15 mil.
[01:23:46] Speaker C: I mean, Sequan was out there.
[01:23:48] Speaker B: Sequan is not Nick Chubb as good as Sequan is. He's not Nick Chubb.
[01:23:52] Speaker C: Alvin Cook was out there.
[01:23:53] Speaker B: But the thing that's going against Nick Chubb is what we've said all along is this injury was the worst thing that could possibly happen for him.
[01:23:59] Speaker C: True. I'm just saying like Dalvin Cook, I would have put him up there with Nick Chubb in terms of talent and pace in their career and he went to New York and could finds way in a field.
[01:24:10] Speaker B: Just shut your mouth. We're going to take a quick revenue break and then we're going to get back here and take a trip around.
[01:24:15] Speaker C: I just feel bad for NFL running backs in general.
[01:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I do too. We all do.
[01:24:19] Speaker C: Especially Nick Chibb because he's my dog.
[01:24:21] Speaker D: I love you, Nick Chibb.
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All right, let's take a quick trip around the NFL.
[01:25:34] Speaker C: Mummy movie today.
[01:25:35] Speaker B: Terrible.
[01:25:35] Speaker C: When I was eating lunch, Terrible. Didn't even fall anywhere near the same storyline as like the original Brennan Fraser.
[01:25:42] Speaker B: No. You heard what happened with that, didn't you?
[01:25:43] Speaker C: No.
[01:25:44] Speaker B: Tom Cruise, when he signed on, he took the whole project over. He was like, I'm going to write this movie.
[01:25:49] Speaker D: Weird.
[01:25:49] Speaker C: That makes sense because the demon God was like in love with him.
[01:25:53] Speaker B: Tom Cruise took over the whole thing.
They said, we're going to bring Tom Cruise on. He said, one condition. This is my story now.
[01:26:01] Speaker C: There was something odly sexually gratifying about that mummy.
[01:26:07] Speaker B: That's weird.
No, it was supposed to be the kickoff to the big monster multiverse or whatever with the mummy and Godzilla and all these things were supposed to join in the same multiverse.
[01:26:22] Speaker C: Tom Cruise, good Tom, defeat them all.
[01:26:24] Speaker B: Tom Cruise ruined it. Like, that movie tanks so bad. They were like, yeah, we're not going to do this. But, like, all the classic monster movies, like the thing, like all that or swamp thing or whatever, that all those movies were supposed to come back, and it was supposed to be this big monster multiverse.
[01:26:40] Speaker C: Why does everything have to be in a multiverse now?
[01:26:43] Speaker B: Because Marvel did it so well that everybody's like, we got to do it.
[01:26:46] Speaker C: It's not done well when I can't watch Antman without having fear of not seeing the first 15 movies before Antman.
[01:26:53] Speaker B: Listen, if you pull, like, 500 people, you'd be one of, like, 30 that say that it's not done well.
[01:26:59] Speaker C: Have you seen all these Marvel movies? Like, all of them in order or all of them?
[01:27:02] Speaker D: The majority, I guess I stopped following. I don't enjoy them anymore.
[01:27:07] Speaker C: It's too much, isn't it?
[01:27:09] Speaker B: I agree with you. I love them, and I actually still keep up with them, but I loved them. And I say now that it's starting to be too much like Harry Potter.
[01:27:17] Speaker C: Most people think it's kind of like, as long as I can follow a story through movies, through eight movies, I was like, that's a lot.
And it took me a while to get up to the courage to, all right, we're going to watch all these movies because it's just such a huge time commitment. You got to be, like, every night for the next two weeks, we're going to watch a movie.
[01:27:37] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:27:41] Speaker C: But this movie verse stuff, man, two weeks.
[01:27:45] Speaker B: There'S like 30 movies, man.
[01:27:47] Speaker D: I've given up on it.
[01:27:48] Speaker C: And what really pissed me off is I really am a big fan of.
[01:27:51] Speaker B: This is a good trip around the NFL.
[01:27:53] Speaker C: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
What really pissed me off is I'm a huge fan of the Guardians of the Galaxy. Like, the first one. Like, one of my favorite.
[01:28:03] Speaker B: Didn't we already tell this story?
[01:28:05] Speaker C: No, we didn't. I just bothered you with it all night long. Oh, yeah, that's one of my favorite.
[01:28:11] Speaker B: We texted about this 4 hours the one night.
[01:28:14] Speaker C: Like the music and the act of the ensemble castle, I can't stop feeling so good. Guardians two was like. It was almost as good as one, but I still enjoyed it. And I've been waiting for, I don't know, five years for guardians long to come out. And it turns out all the stuff, like, something happened in a previous marvel.
[01:28:37] Speaker B: Everything that happened in Guardians Galaxy one and two was all included in everything else. And it's a completely new storyline.
[01:28:46] Speaker C: I'm like, some of my favorite characters are gone. Their storylines are gone. Their total character arc is gone because they were blown up by thanos, I guess.
But because I didn't see Endgame, the.
[01:29:02] Speaker B: Rabbit hole, because you're like, well, I didn't see that, but you can't just watch that. You got to go back and watch other.
[01:29:07] Speaker C: I was like, can I just watch Endgame and see what happened to my favorite characters? And Ronnie was like, no, because you won't really understand what happened then. I'm like, googling how many of these? And there's, like, 19. There's a lot stretching back to Captain America that happened in 1940 and the tv shows. I can't even watch the movies as they were released chronologically because they weren't even released chronologically. It's like this movie was released in 2008, but the second movie in the series was actually released in 2011. And then the third movie in the series is actually released 2009. And I'm like, I don't want to live in this multiverse. And then there's, like, ten Spiderman running around.
[01:29:46] Speaker B: Yeah, no, there's only three Spider Men, and they brought them in from the. That was part of the multiverse. That was a one time off. There's only one Spider man that's in the MCU. Like, that's actually there to stay.
[01:30:00] Speaker C: So Toby's spider verse doesn't matter.
[01:30:02] Speaker B: No, he went back into the multiverse after everything was sealed up. He's gone again.
[01:30:07] Speaker C: What does that even mean?
[01:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah, he's gone, but he was there. The one that is important, like, the main MCU, is like, earth 987 or whatever.
[01:30:16] Speaker C: Toby was my Spiderman.
[01:30:19] Speaker B: He's not part of the MCU. He's part of Sony.
[01:30:22] Speaker C: He was in it, though.
[01:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah, he was in that one. They brought him in for one movie.
[01:30:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:30:26] Speaker B: Why you can't just choose him and be like, this is the spider I'm rolling with.
[01:30:30] Speaker C: That's my Spider man, man. That was Spiderman.
[01:30:33] Speaker B: I grew up.
We finally got to the crux of this whole thing is you're pissed that you can't choose which Spider man you want.
[01:30:41] Speaker C: No, I'm pissed that they ruined guardians of the Galaxy three for me, that I waited for for five years because half my characters got killed in a snap.
[01:30:48] Speaker B: Sorry about it.
[01:30:49] Speaker C: And the only thing I even know about that is, like, what I've seen in memes. I've never seen any of these movies with thanos and all this bullshit. All I know is there's memes of him, like, snapping the world and too. And he's like, he killed half the population.
[01:31:00] Speaker B: Why don't you watch the movies?
[01:31:01] Speaker C: Because there's 20 of them.
[01:31:03] Speaker B: Quit being such a bitch.
[01:31:04] Speaker C: And some of them are like, antman. I have no interest in watching Antman. Why is that good? Paul Rudd is Ant man. Why is Ant man even a character?
[01:31:13] Speaker B: I don't know why you're being such a little bitch about this.
[01:31:15] Speaker C: I'm just saying I hate the multiverse. Why does everything have to be a multiverse? Why does Godzilla have to be in a multiverse?
[01:31:20] Speaker B: He's not. It tanked. Thank God for all comes. He ruined the mummy, but he saved us from a multiverse.
[01:31:27] Speaker C: I might convert to Scientology now. Save me, Tom Cruise.
[01:31:31] Speaker B: He's done it. Save me, Oprah Winfrey. All right, so let's get into this trip around the NFL. The Kansas City Chiefs have not had a single holding call against them in their last three Super bowl appearances.
[01:31:43] Speaker C: How do you make sure a team wins a game?
[01:31:45] Speaker B: You don't call holding on.
[01:31:46] Speaker C: You don't call any penalties on them.
[01:31:47] Speaker B: Here's the crazy part about that. This past season, during regular season, they had the most holding calls in the entire NFL.
[01:31:55] Speaker C: They led the league in holding calls in the regular season and didn't have a single holding call in the Super bowl. The crazy thing is that we can all agree, right? If you watch any single play in the NFL, there's holding on one of the five guys.
[01:32:11] Speaker B: You mean tell me the refs couldn't just pick one time? Be like, right there? I saw it.
[01:32:15] Speaker D: San Fran's defense isn't that good, so that's probably why.
[01:32:17] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely.
[01:32:19] Speaker C: They don't have wrestlers or anything.
[01:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah, their defensive ends are ass.
[01:32:24] Speaker C: They weren't violently tormenting their quarterback all night.
[01:32:27] Speaker B: No.
[01:32:30] Speaker C: That is almost like all the stuff about a script.
It's pretty light. This is the most concrete evidence I've seen for the NFL, fixing a game.
[01:32:40] Speaker B: This is it?
[01:32:41] Speaker C: Yeah. If you don't call penalties on them, you don't call the single most called penalty in the game on them ever in the Super Bowl.
[01:32:46] Speaker B: I think this just goes in a long string of bad calls at really opportune times for three Super Bowls, not.
[01:32:54] Speaker C: A single holding call.
[01:32:55] Speaker B: No. You're not letting me finish. I'm agreeing with you. Calm down there, buddy. Speed racer.
Yeah. This is evidence that there's a script that's what I'm saying.
[01:33:07] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[01:33:08] Speaker B: I'm saying that this adds to a long. You said this is the best evidence.
[01:33:13] Speaker C: This is the most concrete evidence.
[01:33:14] Speaker B: I'm saying. Not just necessarily the fact that they haven't had any holding calls. I'm saying what the refs do week in and week out. In general, we just continue to see the refs blow calls in the biggest moments of games every single week, throughout the season, throughout the postseason.
Everybody talks about it, but nobody really addresses it.
[01:33:36] Speaker C: I think it's a matter of when you say script, people think both teams are in on it, and I don't even think that both teams are in on it. But I think the NFL does what it can to pick winners and losers based on officiating crews.
[01:33:48] Speaker B: There was an ex NFL player that came out this week. I don't know if you saw this news. I just remembered it.
I got to pull it up real quick.
He talked about. He was just like, yep, there's a script.
[01:34:01] Speaker C: I saw that same thing and I can't remember who it was. It was somebody that was kind of.
[01:34:06] Speaker B: Like during the latest episode of the podcast macro dosing ex Houston Texans and Miami Dolphins running back.
That was last year. But Arian Foster went on the record to say that players receive scripts during training camp and that lay out the season ahead because the NFL is well rigged.
[01:34:27] Speaker C: There was another one. There was another one recently. That was last year because that was crazy. That's crazy.
[01:34:32] Speaker B: It literally just came out this week, and now I'm pissed that I can't find it.
[01:34:36] Speaker D: I guess there's a lot of money in it, but not having somebody back them up on that, though, is kind.
[01:34:40] Speaker C: Of, well, that's what I don't think that it's like a script where both teams know, okay, Patrick, you could get sacked. Like, I think they play the game. I just think the NFL, Aaron Foster was joking anyways, when it has the ability to benefit itself, would make calls. I mean, what's bigger than Taylor Swift winning the Super bowl for them? This. I mean, if another team had made it, sure, they would have made calls to favor whoever probably wins the most money for them. Then there's just so much cloak and dagger and the fact that they're classified as an entertainment venue, not a sporting, which is just od event anymore.
[01:35:18] Speaker B: Why they are. The only other WWE is WWE.
[01:35:22] Speaker C: They're sports entertainment. They're technically a sports entertainment. They're not a sport.
[01:35:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. We'll figure that out. We'll bring that up later. But whoever that player was, I'll find that and talk about it next week. But speaking of the script, the logo for Super Bowl 59 has been revealed. What are the colors, guys?
[01:35:40] Speaker D: There's some red and some purple. Lots of purple.
[01:35:44] Speaker C: Some yellow.
[01:35:45] Speaker D: There's some yellow. There is some orange in the lettering for the Roman numerals.
[01:35:51] Speaker B: I was actually asking you guys back.
[01:35:53] Speaker C: To New Orleans this year.
[01:35:55] Speaker B: It is back to New Orleans.
And the official colors, it's like a reddish color bone. I think that's a stretch to say there's orange in there.
[01:36:05] Speaker D: I don't know. Look closely.
Apparently some girl made it out of beads. There's some orange beads in there between.
[01:36:11] Speaker C: The red and the yellow.
[01:36:14] Speaker B: That's a stretch. There's like a neon green. So that could point to the Seahawks.
[01:36:19] Speaker C: It could only point to the Seahawks.
[01:36:20] Speaker D: Lots of purple. I mean, that's pretty much just Minnesota, right?
[01:36:23] Speaker C: Ravens.
[01:36:24] Speaker D: Ravens, yeah.
[01:36:28] Speaker C: Purple.
[01:36:29] Speaker B: Are you seeing purple? I'm seeing.
[01:36:31] Speaker D: No, it's the background. Your picture just has white. The background of it is purple. The whole thing's purple. At least the Instagram picture.
[01:36:37] Speaker B: The conspiracy is just like, is it just the letters, just the logo? Not necessarily what background they put it on.
[01:36:44] Speaker C: Well, so this makes a Super bowl.
[01:36:46] Speaker B: Next year, and then, see, we got, like, reds in there. We got a neon green.
Maybe if you're stretching, you could say orange.
[01:36:54] Speaker C: I mean, I feel like that is a coincidence. The Super bowl colors thing. Like, if the NFL is going through that much trouble to predetermine based on know, the fact that the Kansas City Chiefs had zero holding calls through three.
[01:37:12] Speaker B: Super Bowls, who cares about the logo? They had no holding calls.
[01:37:16] Speaker C: It's like the oldest adage in the game, that there's holding on every single play.
[01:37:20] Speaker B: It's true.
[01:37:20] Speaker C: There is.
[01:37:22] Speaker B: Will we ever know if there truly is a script when that news finally breaks, that there's an actual script in the NFL, imagine the people that will lose their minds.
[01:37:32] Speaker C: And again, I don't think it's necessarily a script. I think the NFL looks at an individual game, and it's a script like the, can I affect the outcome of this game and could I put a team in a position to be at an advantage?
[01:37:44] Speaker B: I think the biggest evidence is actually the fact that they finally got into bed with all these betting organizations and around the same time, I believe, is when they switched to a sports entertainment industry. Agreed. And so to your point, through this, they're able to fix games by saying, refs, we need you to call this or this to keep the game going in the right direction. Basically keep one team from winning or losing or keeping spreads at certain places or whatever the case may be. They have the power to affect the game and affect the betting line one way or another.
[01:38:18] Speaker C: And here's the dirty part that no one wants to talk about. I don't know, this gets us canceled or not, but are we going to get cancel alert, everybody goes. You can't get one person to keep a secret. Like, how would you get an entire officiating crew? Like, first off, these guys are paid really well for part time work.
[01:38:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:38:37] Speaker C: There's a lot of people in this country that said this is a no questions asked job. Do you want it? You get $250,000 a year to work eight days a year and there are no questions asked. And if you ask a question, it's not you're fired, it's you're disappeared. No one will ever hear from you again.
[01:38:55] Speaker B: People forget that the NFL is a multi billion, billion dollar organization in bed.
[01:39:00] Speaker C: With the biggest billionaires in the country and around the world.
If you wanted to get rid of a bad apple and just, I mean, Jesus, look what they did to Jeffrey Epstein. Look what they did to, look what they did.
[01:39:13] Speaker B: If the Clintons can unalive you, look.
[01:39:16] Speaker C: What they did to, I think it.
[01:39:17] Speaker D: Was Prince Andrew to McAfee.
[01:39:19] Speaker C: They disappeared these guys right out of, mean, out of high security prisons and they just were never seen.
[01:39:28] Speaker D: When you own the media, they won't ask questions.
[01:39:31] Speaker C: I'm not saying the NFL is going around killing all kinds of people. I'm just saying if you had one bad apple, it wouldn't be a stretch to be like if there was anybody that could make you disappear in this world. It's probably the most powerful sporting, even if they don't, organization that has the most money and the most connection, even.
[01:39:45] Speaker B: If they don't make you disappear, they could definitely be like, we're just going to paint this guy as absolutely insane and nobody's going to believe him.
[01:39:53] Speaker C: That's not even worth the trouble. It'd be cheaper to disappear him.
[01:39:55] Speaker B: That's true. You're not wrong, Bone. Your job is to find out if any ex NFL refs have ever spoken out and died.
[01:40:04] Speaker C: Disappeared.
[01:40:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I couldn't find that story just now when I was looking for it of that ex NFL player that said something. So just got Brock Lesnard. Yeah.
Erased him from history.
[01:40:15] Speaker C: Erased from history.
[01:40:17] Speaker B: And then finally.
[01:40:18] Speaker C: Are we still talking about football?
[01:40:20] Speaker B: Yeah, finally. And around the NFL terrifying turn of events at the Kansas City Chiefs championship parade as shots broke out, there was multiple shots fired. It looks like the incident was between two juveniles. It may have started with an argument or feud of some sort, but it escalated. Multiple shots fired. Like I said, they're still trying to get to the bottom of what exactly happened, but unfortunately, one person did die. The DJ for the actual event, for the parade, and at least 22 others were injured, including young teens and children. The victims were between the ages of eight and 47, half of them under the age of 16.
So just a super unfortunate and terrible, terrible thing that happened.
[01:41:11] Speaker C: I think what's unfortunate is this was several days ago now, and we're still in a position where we really don't have a lot of information. Right. We don't have.
[01:41:22] Speaker B: They're asking for videos, motive.
[01:41:25] Speaker C: We don't know if this was something that was actually intended to go off at the event. Whether this was gang violence with collateral damage, whether it was some other senseless gun violence, we don't really have any clue yet. It sounds like probably both the people they have in detention right now aren't talking, because, as you mentioned, they're very proactively looking for video footage from anybody that had it that day, which is. It's hard to believe with the amount of cops on the street wearing body cams and the amount of media there, everything.
When 911 happened, there wasn't cell phone. It's cameras everywhere and cameras all over the place. This was a huge media event where there's dozens of media outlets, there are cameras everywhere. It's almost amazing that there isn't just existing footage of exactly what happened.
But to digress, they're actively proactively looking for those things to try and put the pieces together here. Very sad.
Again, half of the victims under the age of 16, I mean, you just don't expect to go to just taking.
[01:42:34] Speaker B: Your kids to the parade.
[01:42:35] Speaker C: Go to parade? Yeah, I mean, I remember going downtown for the Cavaliers parade, and there was a shooting that day at the end of the parade.
[01:42:45] Speaker B: It was the top of one of the parking garages, wasn't it?
[01:42:49] Speaker C: Yeah, it was like a couple of hours, like an hour or so maybe. After the event, people were kind of walking back, but still all over the city, like, having a good time, and we heard the gunshots ring out, and it was incredibly scary. At the time, we didn't know what happened, and it was something that was totally not affiliated with the event or anything. It was some gang related thing or an argument that got out of hand.
But still, I remember being downtown with a good friend and you hear gunshots and you're like, where do you even go?
So to have this where there was clearly bullets flying everywhere for a short period of time, that's absolutely terrifying. Especially if you're there with your kids.
[01:43:27] Speaker B: Yeah. So just all around sad thing that happened in what was supposed to be a celebratory event for the entire city. For it to turn like this is just awful.
[01:43:44] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure.
I do know there was some bad pr after this, too, with some of the players, like taking selfies with cops. Like right after this happened, they were like, downtown because it was still a celebration, right. And a number of players were at a bar, like shortly thereafter downtown taking pictures, partying.
[01:44:03] Speaker B: Still, I feel like at that point, just like, I don't.
[01:44:08] Speaker C: Again, it's just bad optics on the whole thing, but just an unfortunate event all the way.
[01:44:15] Speaker B: And with that, that will actually conclude our trip around the NFL.
Oh, man.
[01:44:23] Speaker C: Have you heard from Hanford?
[01:44:24] Speaker B: I have not heard from Hanford Dixon. I want to get Hanford Dixon on the show. He's our last alumni to interview.
Again with the horn.
[01:44:37] Speaker C: Got you again.
[01:44:38] Speaker B: What is that, Kenny?
[01:44:39] Speaker C: I know what that is. That is the official signal to remind you that the Cleveland Browns fan cruise is just 18 days away. No, in 18 days, we will set sail from the port of Miami to the beautiful caribbean islands of the Bahamas and Jamaica. And we will do that with a bunch of ex Browns players.
[01:45:01] Speaker B: We will.
[01:45:01] Speaker C: And a bunch of Browns fans.
[01:45:03] Speaker B: That's right. March 11, we set sail for five unforgettable days at sea with 16 Cleveland Browns alumni. If you're not coming with us, sorry you missed out. Maybe if you're lucky, they'll have another one.
[01:45:16] Speaker C: I'm definitely leg wrestling Dave Zastodil.
[01:45:18] Speaker B: Oh, he's going down. It's over for him.
Seriously, though, what are you looking forward to on the fan cruise?
[01:45:27] Speaker C: Are we doing the whole. This is a segment now?
[01:45:31] Speaker B: Just real quick, we're just going to name one thing that we cut this part out.
[01:45:36] Speaker C: No, I don't cut anything out.
[01:45:38] Speaker B: You're the worst. Our show podcast is terrible.
[01:45:41] Speaker C: This podcast is terrible. This was the worst one we've done. Out of all the shows we've done, this one has been the worst.
The fan cruise, it is coming up and I'm looking forward to it.
[01:45:52] Speaker D: You know what I'm looking forward to?
[01:45:54] Speaker C: What are you looking forward to? Bone?
[01:45:56] Speaker D: Not cooking and cleaning for like a week.
[01:45:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm excited about that. I'm not going to lie. You do a lot of cooking and cleaning at home. Yeah, I don't do a lot of cooking. I'll be honest. I should do more to help my wife out, but I do a lot of cleaning.
[01:46:09] Speaker D: That's helpful.
[01:46:10] Speaker C: It's funny you say that. I was just thinking, like this weekend, babies are great.
Everybody loves babies, but just always there, man.
It's just always crying or needs.
[01:46:24] Speaker B: Well, I know you, you're not a big baby fan anyway, so you're going to be so excited to be gone and not have a baby for a week.
[01:46:30] Speaker C: That's what I mean. I don't mean it to be like, I don't like my baby. I love my kid.
[01:46:34] Speaker B: But I think by the end of this, I'm going to be like, right.
[01:46:36] Speaker C: Now they're just little.
[01:46:38] Speaker B: I think by the end of this thing I'm going to be like, I just want to see my daughter.
[01:46:41] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll miss him for the week.
[01:46:44] Speaker B: Okay, try and save face now, we all know that you're like, ha.
[01:46:47] Speaker C: But I'll also sleep, like, really well.
[01:46:50] Speaker B: With your sleep apnea machine.
[01:46:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not even sure if I'm going to bring it, actually. I haven't been using the last couple of days.
[01:46:56] Speaker B: Don't you go dying on me.
[01:46:59] Speaker D: Once you're out there, you're out there.
[01:47:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:47:00] Speaker C: Here's some things I'm looking forward to.
[01:47:02] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:47:04] Speaker C: The Bahamas is my favorite place in the world.
It's beautiful there. Just the water.
I can't express how much, how cool that is to you're on the shore and it's just the most beautiful, like turquoise blue color you've ever seen. And then you get in it and it's just like bathwater. It's just absolutely clear. It's warm, it's beautiful. It's like just taking a bubble bath. But you're in the ocean.
[01:47:31] Speaker B: It sounds nice.
[01:47:32] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm excited.
[01:47:33] Speaker C: It's incredible.
And Jamaica's, depending on where you are, is kind of the same way. Jamaica tends to be like a little sandier. The water is not nearly as clear, but it's like a rainforest. I mean, everything around you is like rainforest. Beautiful.
[01:47:48] Speaker B: You just want to be there.
[01:47:49] Speaker C: Destinations like, I'm just looking forward to the sun and the destinations. I'm also looking forward to just being able to order an unending amount of food.
[01:47:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Listen, Bo, I don't know if you've ever went out to eat with Kenny, at least in the last like ten years.
The fact that he's got no cap here. And he could just order whatever the hell he wants. Our literal entire table for just about every meal is going to be completely covered in food.
[01:48:19] Speaker C: Whatever I can get.
[01:48:20] Speaker B: He might actually tell them I want every appetizer on the menu.
[01:48:24] Speaker C: When Christine, I go to sandals, I do that. I'm like, I would like the soup, the salad. I would like the mozzarella sticks. I would like the chicken wings. And this crab dip. Sounds Delicious. Give me all of, like. Those are just my appetizers.
[01:48:37] Speaker D: You just make your own.
[01:48:40] Speaker B: You don't. You don't get the physique that Kenny's rocking without trying everything.
[01:48:44] Speaker C: It's hard.
[01:48:45] Speaker B: Freaking.
I'm just. I'm going to be so annoyed because I'm not even going to have room to eat my own food because we're going to be accommodating Kenny eating my food. Kenny will have his own table every night.
[01:48:56] Speaker C: Well, the thing is with those places like that, that do, like, all inclusive menu, ordering like that is they generally give you smaller portions, so that's just another reason to keep ordering more. But it's also a reason why you order everything.
[01:49:07] Speaker B: You're like the dude from Mr. Deeds where he's like, I like feet. No, I'm very sneaky. No, the other one where he says he's like, where else can you go where the bigger you are, the cooler you are?
That's you. You're like. You just have all the food on the table your wife's feeding you.
[01:49:25] Speaker C: That sounds like a vacation.
[01:49:27] Speaker B: See, I try to tell you.
[01:49:28] Speaker C: So those things. And obviously getting to hang out with all the Browns alumni is going to be a ton of fun. So it's just such a unique event to be able to have these beautiful destinations, the food, all the inclusivity of the package. But then also, you're just hanging out with ex browns players all day.
[01:49:47] Speaker B: I noticed. What? You didn't say it's me and you, bone. He doesn't want to hang out with us.
[01:49:51] Speaker D: Well, he's making new friends.
[01:49:53] Speaker C: It's a work trip.
[01:49:55] Speaker B: You don't like us. I get it. I'm just saying.
You know what I'm excited for?
[01:49:59] Speaker C: It's not like we're just going to get together and do shots all day.
We have jobs to do on the boat.
[01:50:05] Speaker B: Yeah, okay. Anyways, you know what I'm excited for?
[01:50:10] Speaker C: Foot rub? Korean massage.
[01:50:12] Speaker B: I actually might go get a massage. There's a spa on board in the Bahamas. I thought there was one on board the ship.
[01:50:21] Speaker C: Happy ending.
[01:50:22] Speaker B: No, that's not happening. I was just talking about, like, an actual massage on board.
[01:50:27] Speaker C: Yes. There's an actual spa.
[01:50:28] Speaker B: I've never had, like, a legit massage. Never had an actual happy or that.
So I was just like, that'd be cool to get a massage. I'm on vacation.
[01:50:37] Speaker C: I'm a huge fan of massages. Yeah, like, rub my sweaty.
[01:50:41] Speaker B: Are we all going to go put, like, the stones on our eyes and get massages together?
[01:50:44] Speaker C: I love a pedicure with the stones. Stones on the leg bone.
[01:50:47] Speaker B: You in?
[01:50:49] Speaker D: I'm down trying that.
[01:50:55] Speaker C: Let's look at the romance package. And you just have them bring the beds into our room.
[01:50:59] Speaker B: All three of us. Just leave the door open so fans can walk by and getting rubbed down.
[01:51:04] Speaker C: This is the burning river. Besides farlors, this is the burning river.
[01:51:07] Speaker B: Rub down.
No, seriously, though, what I'm excited for the most, this is really stupid, but it's true, is seeing the cruise ship.
I've never actually not seeing it from across the water, like, seeing it next to it. That's because I've never been on a cruise. And so I've never been that close where I'm boarding a cruise ship, but I get to actually take in just how massive this ship that I'm getting on it.
[01:51:37] Speaker C: Do like the Leonardo DiCaprio Titanic wave. Like all you people out there, get.
[01:51:43] Speaker B: Up to the front. I'm the king of the world.
[01:51:46] Speaker C: You're actually onto something there. Because I've seen cruise ships, but I saw cruise ships the last time I was in the Bahamas, but they were across the drove.
[01:51:54] Speaker B: I drove.
[01:51:54] Speaker C: Wow, that's really cool.
[01:51:55] Speaker B: The highway that connects Miami, Miami to the rest of Florida. I drove over that bridge and you see all the cruise ships lined up, but you're like a mile away.
[01:52:06] Speaker C: Never actually at least have a mile.
[01:52:08] Speaker B: These ships, how close you are.
[01:52:10] Speaker C: But you're massive. Yeah.
Everybody thinks like, the Titanic and that was a big ship, but these things dwarf that. Two and three times the size of the Titanic.
[01:52:19] Speaker B: Two and three huge, huge ships.
They're really big.
Yeah. So I'm excited about that bone. What are you most excited?
[01:52:28] Speaker D: Uh, probably seeing the Caribbean. Getting swimming in the water, in the ocean, crystal clear. Maybe doing a little snorkeling if it's available.
[01:52:35] Speaker B: I don't know if we're going there, but don't snorkel with the pigs. It could be dangerous.
[01:52:39] Speaker C: Pigs, dangerous.
[01:52:41] Speaker B: Snorkel with the pigs because it's sharks.
Listen, guys, I just completely made all this.
[01:52:51] Speaker D: Like, wild pigs swimming in the ocean.
[01:52:53] Speaker B: They do.
[01:52:53] Speaker C: I have seen videos of Pig island with some of the pigs being a little aggressive, but generally they're pretty like.
[01:53:00] Speaker B: I had this whole story and I couldn't go through it. That was pretty straight face.
It was kind of like piranha esque. It was like, they bite you, then a little bit of blood, and then the shark's coming. But I couldn't do it.
[01:53:12] Speaker C: The good news is, if there is a shark, you will see it before it eats you. You will see it.
[01:53:16] Speaker B: Yeah. There's nothing better than seeing sharks in the ocean as long as they don't eat you.
[01:53:19] Speaker C: That's true.
[01:53:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:53:21] Speaker C: The good news is, if there is a shark in the ocean, there's three of us, so you only have to outswim one of us.
[01:53:25] Speaker B: True. And I'm definitely swimming faster than you.
[01:53:28] Speaker C: I'm pretty buoyant.
[01:53:30] Speaker B: That's true. They just think you're a bobber. They'll just leave you alone. They're like, oh, it's just the buoy telling the swimmers where they can't go.
[01:53:38] Speaker C: I'm a much better swimmer.
[01:53:39] Speaker B: Just wear red swim trunks, and then they'll have no idea I'm going to.
[01:53:42] Speaker C: Wear my bread river sportscast swim trunks.
[01:53:44] Speaker B: Oh, hell, yeah.
[01:53:44] Speaker C: Very much. I'm a much better swimmer now that I'm bigger. When I was in shape and muscley, I just sunk, like, doesn't feel good, but you're going to sink right into the jaws's mouth.
[01:53:54] Speaker B: Guys, I just got my body fat done for my health insurance.
[01:53:57] Speaker C: Is it 800%?
[01:53:58] Speaker B: No, it was a lot lower than I thought it was. It was under 21%.
[01:54:02] Speaker C: Loser.
[01:54:03] Speaker B: And I got to not have to do all the crazy things for my health insurance to be able to get a discount.
[01:54:08] Speaker D: Nice.
[01:54:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Big day for me. Big day. Anyways, I don't know why we're still talking about this.
[01:54:14] Speaker C: Because it's the fan cruise.
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[01:54:28] Speaker C: We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
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[01:54:50] Speaker C: Next week will be one week closer to the Browns fan cruise, and we will be providing you weekly entertainment, I guess you could call it that after this show. That was very poorly crafted and not very well executed. We will be.
[01:55:02] Speaker B: I take that personal look.
[01:55:04] Speaker C: I'm on the execution side. I sucked too today. This was just not an exciting show. I blame a lot of it on the fact that there's just very little Browns content.
[01:55:12] Speaker B: The week after the Super bowl is usually pretty quiet.
[01:55:15] Speaker C: You know what's funny is we took our break, our hiatus last year right after the Super bowl, and there was.
[01:55:19] Speaker B: A crap ton of everything happened right.
[01:55:21] Speaker C: After the Super Bowl.
[01:55:22] Speaker B: I don't think it was the week. It was like right after that.
[01:55:25] Speaker C: We felt guilty about it because we were like, we should be reporting on this. And there was so much news those couple of weeks. Anyway.
[01:55:31] Speaker B: Laid an egg this year at the NFL.
[01:55:33] Speaker C: Absolutely laid an egg. So actually, we'll be closer. I think the combine starts either next week or the following week after. So, like in the next ten days. So we'll be closer and hopefully have some other things to talk about. And we'll continue, like I said, dropping shows up until the cruise.
[01:55:48] Speaker B: And then right after the cruise we'll have right after the hiatus.
[01:55:51] Speaker C: Yeah, quick hiatus.
[01:55:52] Speaker B: Do some play, probably about a month.
[01:55:53] Speaker C: Off, and then we'll come back here and then. Yeah, then we'll be back. But anyways, we will cover any browns news that comes up as well as any other notable NFL news.
[01:56:03] Speaker B: And don't forget to check us out on social media. Tabithmed Media is on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at the tap media. I'm burning over sportscats, that's this podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at burning over Sportscraft. Sportscraft. Sportscraft.
[01:56:17] Speaker C: Did you invent a new show? Mine?
[01:56:18] Speaker B: Not a part of it. You're out. Damn.
[01:56:21] Speaker C: Excommunicated in my house anyways.
[01:56:23] Speaker B: Burning over Sportscast, that's this podcast is on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram and TikTok.
[01:56:30] Speaker C: Burning over Sportscraft one more time.
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[01:56:55] Speaker C: Yes, it's facts for days.
[01:56:57] Speaker B: Is it? Where facts for days.
[01:56:59] Speaker C: Hopefully this be like the one maybe entertaining piece of the show.
[01:57:03] Speaker B: Facts for days.
[01:57:12] Speaker C: For days.
[01:57:13] Speaker B: Let's go.
[01:57:15] Speaker C: Number one.
Are you guys familiar with anagrams?
[01:57:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, anagrams.
[01:57:20] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm not familiar.
[01:57:25] Speaker B: Forward and backward race car.
[01:57:28] Speaker C: That's a palindrome.
[01:57:30] Speaker B: Palindrome.
[01:57:32] Speaker C: Anagrams would be, like making words out of an existing word.
[01:57:35] Speaker B: Okay. Gone.
[01:57:36] Speaker C: Like, claim would be like, you could make, like, mate out of it.
[01:57:41] Speaker B: Okay, yeah, I got you.
[01:57:42] Speaker C: Anyways, Albert Einstein is an anagram for ten elite brains.
[01:57:48] Speaker B: Great. What does that do for anybody?
[01:57:50] Speaker C: You can make ten elite brains out of Albert Einstein's name. That's incredible.
[01:58:06] Speaker D: Just rearranging the letters to make another word.
[01:58:09] Speaker C: Make other words. Yeah, but in this case, the words that you could make are ten elite brains.
[01:58:15] Speaker D: He was smart. I just watched Oppenheimer, and he was in it.
[01:58:19] Speaker B: Oh, I can't wait to watch that. But it's so long.
[01:58:21] Speaker C: So long. Was it worth the watch?
[01:58:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:58:23] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. It was great.
[01:58:24] Speaker B: Killian Murphy.
[01:58:25] Speaker D: I'm peacock for free.
[01:58:26] Speaker B: If you have peacock, Killian Murphy is good as.
[01:58:28] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, he's a great actor.
[01:58:31] Speaker B: I know you like Killian Murphy. We both watched piggyblinders. I hate peacock. Well, peacock sucks, especially because it's freaking peacock like. What do you mean? You just made your own streaming service.
[01:58:41] Speaker C: What pisses me off about Peacock is the fact that I pay cable. I pay a lot for cable. And I have.
[01:58:46] Speaker B: And you have their channel, but I got to pay.
[01:58:49] Speaker C: At least I can watch AMC shows because I have cable, so I can watch the AMC streaming services.
Hate it.
[01:58:56] Speaker B: Peacock sucks.
[01:58:57] Speaker C: Butthole facts for days, number two team was not super impressed with the Albert Einstein.
Number two, Forrest Gump, one of my favorite movies.
[01:59:10] Speaker B: It's a good movie.
[01:59:11] Speaker C: In the Vietnam protest rally scene in Forrest Gump where Tom Hanks mic is cut. Does anyone know what he actually says?
[01:59:18] Speaker B: I've heard this before, but I don't remember it, so, no, I didn't know.
[01:59:21] Speaker D: There was a real.
[01:59:23] Speaker C: So, because he was mouthing know through the whole thing.
[01:59:26] Speaker B: He says if you turn up real loud, you can actually hear him, I think.
[01:59:29] Speaker C: But sometimes when people go to Vietnam, they go home to their mamas without any legs, and sometimes they don't go home at.
And that's a bad thing.
And the mic cuts back on. He says, that's all I have to say about that.
[01:59:49] Speaker B: It's a good thing they cut it out.
[01:59:50] Speaker C: Yeah. So in case you were wondering what Tom Hanks said in that crucial moment when they were fiddling with the soundboard, that would never happen at the river sports guest, because we have a bone man guarding our soundboard.
[02:00:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Way to go, bone our unsung hero.
[02:00:04] Speaker C: And the most mind blowing fact of the mall, save for number three.
[02:00:09] Speaker B: Let me hear it. Does it have to do with blue whales?
[02:00:12] Speaker C: Cruise liners.
[02:00:14] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Those are also big.
[02:00:16] Speaker C: So big.
In 1911, woman named Violet Jessup.
[02:00:23] Speaker B: Jessup, okay.
[02:00:25] Speaker C: Was on board as a stewardess, the RMS Olympic.
[02:00:30] Speaker B: Okay.
[02:00:32] Speaker C: Collided with a british warship doing a ton of damage, was able to return to port with no fatalities, no futilities. No futilities, no fatalities, but pretty much destroyed both ships for years till they fixed them and got them back and running again.
[02:00:51] Speaker B: Okay.
[02:00:53] Speaker C: She was transferred in April of 1912.
[02:00:56] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[02:00:57] Speaker C: To steward the RMS Titanic.
[02:01:00] Speaker B: Good Lord.
[02:01:02] Speaker C: We know how that one worked out.
[02:01:03] Speaker B: Bad.
[02:01:04] Speaker C: Fortunately, she was able to escape on lifeboat 16. And as she was being lowered down, an officer on board handed her a baby.
A couple of days later, on board the Carpathia that rescued the survivors of the Titanic, some woman came and took the baby.
She's assumed it was the mom because who takes a.
[02:01:29] Speaker B: Sick fuck takes a baby?
[02:01:32] Speaker C: So then go down the road a few years longer. During World War I, Violet went to work for the British Red Cross, and in November of 1916, she found herself on board the younger sister ship of the Titanic and the Olympic, the HMHS Britannic, which sank after detonating a german naval mine.
As the bow dipped and the propellers became exposed, they began shredding lifeboats of which she had to dive out of to avoid being shredded herself. This woman was on three separate of the most.
[02:02:08] Speaker B: I will never sail with this lady, ever.
[02:02:11] Speaker D: So she survived.
[02:02:12] Speaker C: She survived all three of, like, the most famous cruise ship. Wow. Of all time.
What? All within sight of, like, a five year period.
[02:02:21] Speaker B: Or maybe you should sail with her because you're guaranteed to survive.
[02:02:24] Speaker C: I wrote, bottom line, if you survive one boat sinking, don't attempt.
[02:02:33] Speaker B: Be you might have done it. This might be the craziest story you've told.
[02:02:37] Speaker D: What's her name again?
[02:02:38] Speaker C: Violet Jessup.
[02:02:39] Speaker B: Violet Jessup. Write that down.
[02:02:41] Speaker C: And she went back again to work for white Star lines.
[02:02:45] Speaker B: Did it sink?
[02:02:46] Speaker C: She didn't sink anymore, but she went back and finished her career. For the next 30 years, she worked at White Star Lines as a stewardess on board. Retired in 1950 and lived to be, like, 85 years old and died of congestive heart failure, but survived three of.
[02:02:58] Speaker B: The most like she was waiting for an absolution that would never come.
[02:03:05] Speaker C: Don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[02:03:08] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires burning. River Sports cat burning River Sports cat burning river sportscraft where the fuck did that come from?
[02:03:19] Speaker C: Out of all the shows we've ever done, this one was the worst.
[02:03:23] Speaker B: It wasn't good, but it was tight.
[02:03:25] Speaker C: It was the most recent.
[02:03:26] Speaker B: It was the most recent.
We'll be better next week, we promise.
[02:03:30] Speaker C: I can't believe you guys didn't like the integration.
[02:03:32] Speaker B: I think I'm just so elite. Brains. That wasn't very.
Zach didn't get it for a while.
Listen, it was the week after the Super bowl, man. It's literally like nothing was happening in football world.
[02:03:45] Speaker C: Just hard to get going.
[02:03:47] Speaker B: We had to set up. It's like the MCU. The first few movies aren't very good.
[02:03:51] Speaker C: Are we talking about the multiverse again?
[02:03:53] Speaker B: The first few movies weren't very good, but they had to set up the rest of the movies.
[02:03:57] Speaker C: You know what the best multiverse was?
[02:03:58] Speaker B: What?
[02:03:58] Speaker C: Armageddon. Because there was only one movie.
[02:04:00] Speaker B: No. You know what the best series of movies of all times is?
[02:04:04] Speaker C: The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games. This week is Hunger Games weekend on Ames.
[02:04:07] Speaker B: That's very good.
[02:04:08] Speaker D: But it's not the best series.
[02:04:11] Speaker B: You know what the best trilogy of all time is?
[02:04:14] Speaker C: Lord of the Rings.
[02:04:15] Speaker B: Yes.
[02:04:15] Speaker C: I really like Hunger Games.
[02:04:19] Speaker D: I like Lord of the Rings.
[02:04:20] Speaker B: I like die now.
[02:04:22] Speaker D: Have you read the Hunger Games books?
[02:04:24] Speaker C: No. I probably should.
[02:04:26] Speaker D: They're easy reads.
[02:04:26] Speaker B: Have you read Lord of the Rings?
[02:04:28] Speaker D: No, but I've listened to them.
[02:04:30] Speaker B: You need to read them Lord of the Rings.
[02:04:32] Speaker D: I've listened, so I've.
[02:04:33] Speaker B: It's the best saga of all time. Best story start to finish of all time.
[02:04:38] Speaker C: I agree that it's a very good story. There's something about, like, the dystopian big.
[02:04:44] Speaker B: Are you Billy Madison right now? Are you literally Billy Madison me right now? I disagree. While that is a very good.
[02:04:50] Speaker C: Mortal Kombat is a very good.
[02:04:51] Speaker D: Donkey Kong sucks.
[02:04:53] Speaker C: Donkey Kong sucks.
Look, I'm just a big Hunger games fan.
[02:04:58] Speaker B: I like Hunger Games a lot.
[02:05:00] Speaker C: Who's the prettiest girl in the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Like, an elf?
[02:05:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:05:06] Speaker C: That doesn't do it for, like, there's lots of pretty girls in Hunger Games.
[02:05:11] Speaker D: It's the human blonde in the second movie. I forget her name.
[02:05:16] Speaker B: The one that likes PETA. That takes her.
[02:05:18] Speaker C: No, he's talking about Lord of the Rings, right?
[02:05:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:05:22] Speaker D: Lord of the Rings. Yeah.
[02:05:23] Speaker B: Oh, you're talking about Aowyn. Maybe.
[02:05:29] Speaker C: Isn't Eowyn an elf?
[02:05:31] Speaker B: Aowin is the main elf.
[02:05:33] Speaker D: It's not the elf.
[02:05:34] Speaker B: No, I know who you're talking.
[02:05:35] Speaker D: Not.
[02:05:39] Speaker C: Really her.
[02:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I know who you're talking about. It looks just like Stephen Tyler, right?
The one from Rohan that lives with all the horse people.
[02:05:48] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:05:50] Speaker B: I forget her name off top of my head.
[02:05:51] Speaker C: There's just none of eye candy in that.
[02:05:53] Speaker B: It's time for a reread. I reread Lord of the Rings every few years because it's just so good now.
[02:05:57] Speaker C: I'll give you that. Tolkien probably is a better storyteller than.
What's her.
[02:06:01] Speaker B: Susan. Susan Collins.
Suzanne Collins.
[02:06:05] Speaker C: Tolkien's classic. But I just. For the movies.
[02:06:08] Speaker B: Tolkien's greatest storyteller of all time.
[02:06:10] Speaker C: I really enjoyed the Hunger Games movies. I mean, what better concept? We're just going to have kids. Just killing each battle it out to the death.
[02:06:20] Speaker B: Kenny lives for that shit, man.
What better way.
What better gift to get a loved one than a movie?
[02:06:28] Speaker D: They don't discriminate. You can be a nine year old.
[02:06:30] Speaker C: Thrown in there, get the hands of an oppressive government.
[02:06:32] Speaker B: I volunteer tribute.
[02:06:34] Speaker D: They wouldn't even let us play football. If you get shit if weighed over 130 pounds. No, you're going up to varsity. You exceed the weight limit.
[02:06:41] Speaker C: You have to go kill a 17 year old.
[02:06:43] Speaker B: Good God.
[02:06:45] Speaker C: So kiss me and smile for me tell me that you'll wait for me hold me like you'll never let me go because I'm leaving on a jet boat don't know when I'll be back again leaving don't know when I'll be back again good night, Cleveland.
[02:07:16] Speaker B: Browns fan.
[02:07:16] Speaker C: Cruise and the burning river sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of? Motorboat. You play the motorboat.
[02:07:25] Speaker B: You motorboat son of a bitch. You old sailor, you.
[02:07:28] Speaker C: You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[02:07:29] Speaker B: What were you. Nothing. Because you don't have thoughts. Because you're a brainless idiot.
[02:07:34] Speaker C: Wow. My name is Utrid, son of Utrid.
[02:07:37] Speaker B: By the way, I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:07:41] Speaker C: Women's guide to anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes the second edition? The weather. Outside is weather.
[02:07:50] Speaker B: The other one. The finger eating food.
[02:07:52] Speaker C: Fingers ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:07:55] Speaker D: Yes.
[02:07:56] Speaker B: Oh, my God. My house is full of shit everywhere.
[02:08:01] Speaker D: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:08:04] Speaker C: In Jesus.
[02:08:05] Speaker B: In Jesus.
[02:08:06] Speaker D: That's right.
[02:08:07] Speaker B: Touchdown.
[02:08:08] Speaker C: Anyway.
[02:08:08] Speaker B: Oh, no. We suck again. It's going down.
[02:08:13] Speaker C: I'm yelling timber. What do you mean, funny?
[02:08:16] Speaker B: Funny how?
[02:08:17] Speaker C: How am I funny to that? I'll say. Kyle Shanahan didn't like Johnny Manzie there, so f him.
[02:08:24] Speaker B: I wonder why. Dead wrong.
[02:08:26] Speaker C: And Kyle Shanahan doesn't know the rules. So goddamn, Jet.
[02:08:30] Speaker B: All I do is win win. No matter what.
[02:08:33] Speaker C: The leads are weak. Leads are weak. Fucking leads are weak.
[02:08:38] Speaker B: You're weak. I mean, last year when I won and went home, my wife's pants hit the ground. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[02:08:47] Speaker C: Wow.
[02:08:47] Speaker B: But damn.
[02:08:48] Speaker C: I'm sorry. I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:08:53] Speaker B: You know why, Mr. Because you drove.
[02:08:55] Speaker C: A Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
[02:09:01] Speaker B: I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Now, I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers.
I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:09:12] Speaker D: It's Mother Nature.
[02:09:13] Speaker C: Where's logo girl when you need her?
[02:09:14] Speaker B: I desperately want to make love.
[02:09:16] Speaker C: We need cheese girl.
[02:09:17] Speaker B: Now.
[02:09:21] Speaker C: Who'S canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[02:09:24] Speaker B: Probably me.
[02:09:25] Speaker C: You making a photo of fat people?
[02:09:28] Speaker B: I'm not just you. We're a whole race, basically.
No way. You're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:09:38] Speaker D: You first get shocked, and then you get the shocker.
[02:09:44] Speaker C: You like to see almost naked. That's cool, man. Whatever.
[02:09:47] Speaker D: No, you're just people that get together and watch football and raise money. We're like, that pretty much sums it up.
[02:09:55] Speaker C: Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
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