BRS 108 - Draft Special: A New Hope

BRS 108 - Draft Special: A New Hope
Burning River Sportscast: A Cleveland Browns Podcast
BRS 108 - Draft Special: A New Hope

Jul 29 2025 | 01:59:01

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Episode 108 • July 29, 2025 • 01:59:01

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Kenny Thunder Ronnie Jams

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It's time! Time for Burning River Sportscast presented by Tap In Media to go live again!

Join us for our LIVE Draft Special and follow along as the first round plays out for the Cleveland Browns!

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam, it's time. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Time for the Burning River Sportscast. Are you ready? [00:00:42] Speaker C: I'm ready. I'm ready. It's draft day. It's basically like the Brown super bowl right now. So I'm ready to go. [00:00:49] Speaker B: You're. You're ready to go. So I guess, did you miss us? Because we certainly missed you. It's been a long off season. [00:00:59] Speaker C: There's a lot going on. [00:01:00] Speaker B: We eagerly await the results from deep in the heart of Wisconsin in the house named after the great one, Lambeau Field in Green Bay. For the first time in years, the Browns have a first round draft pick as we prepare to move on from the desean debacle. He loves a good caboose as long as it's on a masseuse. His incompletions were profuse and it's time to cut him loose. A rebirth of sorts is on the way. At the very least, a reset. And I for one, couldn't be more pleased. Do I think they'll get it right this time? Absolutely not. Which likely spells doom for our embattled front office and coaching staff hoping for a miracle on their last line of credit. Either way, we're glad to take our first step into the new football year with all of you and we'll break it all down for you next. Don't the Burning River Sportscast. [00:01:53] Speaker C: I like that. Nice again. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Welcome in to the Burning River Sportscast presented by the fine folks at Tapping Media. I'm Kenny Thunder, my partner here tonight. He smells like enchiladas and he looks like a meerkat. He's red hot. Ronnie Jams. [00:02:06] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:02:07] Speaker B: No board man tonight. Or transitions. The bone man has a night off because we are live right here from Akron all the way to the Browns backers chapter of the year at Mile High in Denver, Colorado. Yeah, back to red hot. Where can our listeners find the dopest dope they've heard on a podcast? The number one ranked football podcast and all the good pods as well as the unofficial podcast of Cleveland Browns backers everywhere. [00:02:34] Speaker C: Oh, you want to know? You can find our podcast wherever you get your podcast. I'm talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, stitcher, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Pocket, Cast, Castro, GoodPods and so many more. And don't forget to subscribe on YouTube. The only place you can find our video podcast and check us out on Facebook, Instagram and Tick Tock. Our handle for all those social media is is at Burning over Sportscast. And we are on X the artist formerly known as Twitter. As well with the handle at burning over Pod. [00:02:58] Speaker B: Pod. [00:02:59] Speaker C: While you're at it, check out our merch www.thetappenmedia.com backslash shop. All kinds of stuff in there. So check it out. But before we get started here, I just want to give a quick shout out to some of our very special sponsors. 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We've done giveaways in the past. You know, the first year we did a Nick Chubb signed jersey. The second year we did a Nick Chubb signed football. This year we're going bigger, we're going better. We got an autographed David Najoku jersey and an autograph to Miles Garrett plaque put together by none other than Prime Time Sports framing for you guys. So Nick Chubb, he not here no more. Yeah. So make sure, make sure you subscribe on YouTube. You know these, these giveaways are exclusively for our YouTube subscribers and you get bonus. You can earn bonus entries by following us on all of our other socials or following primetime sports framing on socials. There's more details to come. Check out our social media kind of stay tuned there and we'll get that out to you. But the main thing is subscribe to our YouTube follow us on social media and you will be entered to win this package. So real quick, you excited about that, Kenny? [00:05:09] Speaker B: I'm so excited. You can't wait to give something away. [00:05:12] Speaker C: You can't win. [00:05:13] Speaker B: I can't win. That feels bad. [00:05:16] Speaker C: But today on the show, this is what you can look forward to. We got a recap of all the off season drama leading up to the draft, including trades, free Agency trade demands, comments from the Haslams on Watson Stadium updates. And obviously, we'll go over a little bit of the state of the Browns here and then we'll focus on the draft. We got draft speculation, our ideal scenarios. Live commentary. When the Browns make their selection at number two, hopefully they stay there and, oh, so much more. [00:05:42] Speaker B: It's been a long night. [00:05:43] Speaker C: If they trade back, oh, my gosh, I ain't staying. I'm not leaving. Well, I am leaving. But anyways, so let's jump right into things and get started by reminding everybody to call the burning reports guys hotline. That's right. Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. [00:06:00] Speaker B: Hot takes. [00:06:01] Speaker C: We want hot takes. Put our. The number up there, Kenny. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Hot takes. We want them so bad that I even have a number you can call. [00:06:09] Speaker C: Yeah, this is. This is the draft, guys. So I'm. So I'm. I'm hoping to see an influx of calls leading up to the pick and then even right after the pick. I want to. I want people to be angry in a good way, in a bad way. It doesn't really matter. I just want people to call and let us know how they feel. So again, that number, it's up there on the screen. 330-2278-800333-02278-080. Call now and we will get to as many as we can. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Merry football Christmas. [00:06:41] Speaker C: Yeah, we got a comment here. [00:06:43] Speaker B: Yeah, you too. [00:06:44] Speaker C: You too. That's from Cardiac Dogs. But anyways, yeah, let's. Let's jump into things. Let's do the off season recap. We want to kind of speed through this here. We got a couple of guests we want to bring on, so should we recap ourselves first? [00:06:56] Speaker B: I mean, I haven't seen you in months. [00:06:59] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do that. You start. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm not doing anything new. But you did. [00:07:05] Speaker C: You got a new day job? [00:07:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. I'm working during the day again. Got a W2, you know. Gotta pay the bills for this, for this monstrosity. [00:07:14] Speaker C: Yeah, well, we. We welcomed our second child into the world we had. We now have not only a baby girl, but a baby boy now, too. So it's been. It's been fun times. A lot of adjustments, a lot of. A lot of new things. You go from one to two, man, and it's a whole different ball game. [00:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I just got one, but mine's gonna beat yours ass so it's fine. [00:07:35] Speaker C: I. I don't think so. Mine's gonna bring the pain. [00:07:38] Speaker B: He's always gonna be a year older. [00:07:40] Speaker C: That's fine. He's also gonna lose. I'm gonna start training mine tomorrow. [00:07:46] Speaker B: I've already started trading mine. [00:07:47] Speaker C: No, you haven't. Let's be real. You don't train nothing. [00:07:51] Speaker B: I always train. I've been training glutes. I'm down 35 pounds. [00:07:54] Speaker C: You do look good. So there's something. You didn't, you didn't update us on that. You gotta. You got a weight loss journey going on here. You look good. [00:08:00] Speaker B: That's true. My wife and I became obsessed with my 600 pound life. So I got a goal. [00:08:06] Speaker C: No, you were £600 and now you, now you're 565. [00:08:11] Speaker B: We started watching the show and I realized that I kind of do have an unhealthy relationship with food. So we've been on the doctor now 1200 calories a day diet. That's why I got my Diet Cokes here, my coke zeros and whatnot. [00:08:21] Speaker C: Dr. What's it called when you're. You're love bombing food? You just love it so much. You just. You just eat it all the time. [00:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and that's the thing is I started watching these people and they were eating like 8, 9, 10,000 calories a day. And I started doing the math in my head and I'm like, man, I could probably put away like three to four pretty easily without really thinking about it. So I've been thinking about it. I'm conscious of it now, what we're putting in the body, trying to. Trying to fit in some old clothes so you look good. [00:08:47] Speaker C: That, that sweatshirt, it looks loose on you. I like that. [00:08:50] Speaker B: It's a little baggy. I'm starting to get into some of my old. My old good stuff here. So baby steps, baby steps. I'll see you in September when I'm down 100. [00:09:00] Speaker C: Are you getting down to playing weight? Is that the deal? Yeah. [00:09:03] Speaker B: I'm not gonna. I'm gonna get down to £175. That's my goal. [00:09:06] Speaker C: Nice, nice. [00:09:07] Speaker B: I'll be a little guy again. [00:09:08] Speaker C: Thanks a lot. Cardiac dogs. He left another comment and said, congrats on the young one. So no congrats for you. He doesn't care that you lost weight. [00:09:16] Speaker B: I'm getting healthy. [00:09:19] Speaker C: Well, it's a good thing. I was gonna have to run this by myself when you died, so I'm glad you're. You're figuring stuff out. Yeah, but let's get into Brown stuff here because I want to get through this. Like I said, I want to bring on our first guest, which I better text him and let him know to get ready, so. [00:09:33] Speaker B: Yeah, text him up. [00:09:35] Speaker C: But anyways, first thing here, the Haslams. Two things. The stadium. I mean, all intensive purposes. It looks to me from what everybody's saying, even what like the, you know, government officials and everybody else is talking about, it's looking to me like this is pretty much a go. I mean, if you're reading something different, tell. You can let me know all the. All the grandstanding and saying they're gonna lawsuits, this and whatever else. It sounds like it's going to go through. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I think there's still a fair amount of that going on. I think the good thing is, though, is I think people have finally acclimated to the idea that this is going to happen. So it's going to be a good thing. It's going to be a good thing for Cleveland. It's going to be a good thing for the city ultimately. Like, they need to get this thing done, so hopefully we can do away with the nonsense and the back and forth with the politicians and just call this thing a rap. [00:10:23] Speaker C: Yeah. And. And I can't wait, because if you. This is what I'll tell you. Browns fans, I know that Browns fans are up in the air about this thing. They're. They're like, I'm not sure. You know, whatever. A lot of them are like, I want the. I want it in the elements. Listen, when this thing's done and you're sitting in that. That stadium seat in mid and you're very comfortable, you're. You're gonna be happy. [00:10:45] Speaker B: It's gonna be nice. [00:10:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Not to mention this. Just the whole atmosphere of going to a Browns game now is going to be completely different in a really, really good way. So. [00:10:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:56] Speaker C: And then next up from the Haslams, they came out and they said it. Swinging a miss. [00:11:01] Speaker B: Finally said it. [00:11:01] Speaker C: Watson. Yeah, I. I was shocked that they actually admitted this. [00:11:06] Speaker B: Look, I mean, you almost have to at this point, right? You're trying to buy time for Andrew Barry, you're trying to buy time for Stefanski, and they've. They've really shouldered the blame to this point. So it was. It was beyond time for them to speak up on it. And we all know, right? We all watched it happen. We watched this thing blow up and not work, and it needs to be done. So it was finally. It was good to kind of have Them put a book into this thing. Even though DeShawn's just out there posting Instagram reels, talking about his comeback season. I remember when Johnny Menzel was posting about the comeback season. [00:11:40] Speaker C: It's kind of hard to have a comeback season and prove everybody wrong when you're not even allowed to touch the. Like, there's no way that guy. Unless literally every other quarterback on our roster is broken. There's no way that guy touches the. [00:11:52] Speaker B: Field, which is possible, but we'll. We'll wait on quarterbacks coming up. [00:11:56] Speaker C: It is Cleveland. Yeah. So there's that. I mean, I just wish desean Watson would go away. I'm glad that they're just benching him for the last two years, and they're like, you just hit the bench. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Now it's time to cut him loose. [00:12:09] Speaker C: Yeah. But anyways, Miles Garrett here, he had his trade demand. We all kind of know about that. My question to you, what the hell was this even about? I mean, he acts like the Browns weren't going to pay him. They were absolutely going to pay him the whole time. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Yeah. That whole thing just made me annoyed with Miles, to be quite honest. Look, I. I get that there's a fair amount of posturing and politics involved in this. It's a business. Right. But this was just so unnecessary. I mean, to the point where they were calling. He was calling out teammates and coach. Like, it was just. It got ugly for no reason. For no reason at all. [00:12:50] Speaker C: And it literally, like, he went on, like, 14 different talk shows and was like, cleveland sucks. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:56] Speaker C: I mean, the whole thing just made. [00:12:57] Speaker B: Me annoyed with Miles. Like, at the end of the day, am I glad he's still a Brown? Yeah, sure. Like, he's the greatest defensive player that we've ever had. Awesome. But I mean that I. When that whole thing started, honestly, I was at the point where I was like, you know what? Like, he's been on the roster how long and how many Super Bowls have we won? I mean, he talked. He talked a big game about wanting to play in games that matter. Hey, Miles Garrett, where were you on fourth and. And whatever. It was fourth and eight when Chad Henney ran his way into the AFC Championship game, essentially. [00:13:27] Speaker C: So, listen, we've had a lot of bad times as Brown fan, Browns fans. That play is the single worst moment of my Browns fan career because we were that play away from going to the. Going to the conference championship game and potentially the Super Bowl. [00:13:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And that. That game. And there were a lot of things that happened in that game that Game changed the course of Cleveland Brown's history forever. [00:13:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:50] Speaker B: If they win that game and go to the conference championship, Baker Mayfield is still a Brown. [00:13:53] Speaker C: Well, yeah, yeah, it did change a lot of things, but just. I'm just saying, that single play, like, if I had one moment where my heart sank more than any other time as a Browns fan. [00:14:03] Speaker B: But the thing is. Well, my point is, like in that moment, at that moment, you're thinking about moments that matter to a franchise, to a player that separate you from the greats step up and make a play. That's the moment. That's the moment you're waiting for, Miles. Those don't come around all the time. [00:14:19] Speaker C: That was. [00:14:20] Speaker B: Complain about it. Now that you're not playing a meaningful games. You had your chance and you blew it. [00:14:24] Speaker C: Yeah, that was the play where if Miles Garrett comes through and pile drives Chad Henney and we take over on downs. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:29] Speaker C: Like he's. He's the. Not just a legend. He's like the legend in Cleveland forever. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyways, I'm annoyed at this conversation. Let's move on. [00:14:37] Speaker C: All right, on to actual trades. Kenny Pickett. [00:14:40] Speaker B: Trade the pickler. [00:14:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I. We traded QB Dorian Thompson Robinson in a 2025 5th round pick to the Philadelphia Eagles in exchange for QB Kenny Pickett. Yep, you heard that right. Former former Pittsburgh squealer Tommy Two Gloves himself. I hate this guy. I can't believe he's on the team. [00:15:00] Speaker B: I like how there was. [00:15:01] Speaker C: Thompson Robinson, dtr, statistically, is the worst quarterback that's ever played football. It's true. And I. I'm not kidding when I say that statistically, he's the worst quarterback that's ever played football. [00:15:12] Speaker B: It was really bad. [00:15:14] Speaker C: That being said, if you ask me who I'd rather have on the roster, it's. It's not Kenny Pickett. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Oh, I'll take. I'll take Pickett. Look, here's the thing with Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett's not going to be anything. I don't know. I mean, look, it was. It's. It's off season news. So we're talking about it and we had to accept a few weeks of the biggest thing in Browns football. And there was even a point in time where we were legitimately talking about, well, I don't know, maybe the Browns will go into the season with Kenny Pickett as the starter. Like that was ever going to happen. [00:15:43] Speaker C: We fixed that. [00:15:43] Speaker B: The ship has sailed on Kenny Pickett. He is what he is. He's a. He's a Matt Barkley. Career kind of backup guy. He'll be there in the event of a sprained, you know, back or whatever for a game or a play. But a guy like Kenny Pickett needed. Needed what he had in Pittsburgh, which was an organization that was like, we're going to try to force this thing and build around him. And he had a shot there and didn't go well, and they cut bait, and now he is what he is. So I'm not threatened or feel bad about Kenny Pickett on the roster and for any reason, because I don't expect him to ever see much action. He's just going to be a guy. He's a jag. He's a guy out there that happens to be a quarterback. So he happens to be in the news, but at the end of the day, he's Kenny Pickett. He's the pickler. [00:16:28] Speaker C: I just hate his two gloves. Can. Can the Browns just make it a rule that he has to take one of his gloves off? [00:16:34] Speaker B: I mean, he would be better off to kind of transition maybe into like, a Taysom Hill role. Like, he has some wheels. Like, maybe he could be. [00:16:42] Speaker C: He doesn't have the size or physicality of Taysom Hill, though. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah, he's close. He could be a poor man's Taysom Hill. [00:16:48] Speaker C: Really poor. Like, dirt poor. Like third world country poor. [00:16:52] Speaker B: Poverty. [00:16:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, yeah. But, yeah, I think the biggest thing here was just that it was baffling, like, why we gave up a fifth rounder for him when there was plenty of other quarterbacks to be had for nothing. [00:17:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Like Joe Flacco. [00:17:07] Speaker C: Right. Who. Yeah, we'll get to that. So a good transition there. It leads us to free agency. So far in free agency, the Browns have picked up defensive end Joe. All these names are going to get me, man. Joe, try on Shoenka. Offensive tackle Cornelius Luc Lucas. We resigned. Devin Bush. Defensive tackle Malik Collins. Offensive guard Tevin Jenkins. That's a good one. Our. Our buddy cornerback Anthony Kendall. This one flew under the radar. He's a friend of the show. B dub graduate from. In Cleveland. He was a special team standout in Tennessee. So good to see him sign with the Browns. Another corner. Cornerback Tony Brown. Cornerback Nick Needham. That one's a good one. A good depth pickup there. Linebacker Jerome Baker. And then obviously the big one that just came recently here. Joe Flacco. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Joe Flacco just came recently. [00:18:04] Speaker C: Yeah. So Joe. Joe Flacco is back on the team. And I know that our show could not be more ecstatic, especially if you're talking about bridge quarterbacks. There's all these different bridge quarterbacks that. That they talked about, Right. But Joe Flacco is by far, to me, like, the most exciting one. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, great. Look, here's my problem with the Joe Flacco signing. [00:18:26] Speaker C: You always have a problem. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Look, Joe Flacco is the best quarterback I've seen play for the Cleveland Browns in my lifetime, period. That being said, this move is a day late and a dollar short, just like the Browns always are. Right. Like, the time that Joe was here was magical. It was lightning in a bottle. It was some of my happiest, most fond Cleveland Browns memories. He was old then. He's older now. [00:19:03] Speaker C: He's old. [00:19:04] Speaker B: And do I hope. Do I hope that he can recapture the magic of two years ago and be, you know, Wacko Flacco out there just. Just doing crazy shit? Yes. The reality is the probability is. Is Joe Flacco going to win a Super bowl as a Cleveland Brown or is there a higher probability that this goes very, very, very poorly? [00:19:31] Speaker C: Oh, that's almost a given. [00:19:34] Speaker B: And that's my problem with the Joe Flacco signing is that I have fond memories of Joe Flacco. I don't want to have to hate Joe Flacco because this thing turns into a dumpster fire and we win four or five games and he throws 30 picks. Like, I don't want to be in that position where I have to dislike. I dislike Joe Flacco because it goes so poorly. That's my biggest problem with it. [00:19:59] Speaker C: So our boy Cardiac from Cardiac Dogs is on fire tonight. He just said Flacco assigned just to keep fans from jumping off the 480 bridge without Nick Chubb signing. [00:20:08] Speaker B: I mean, thank God for these guys. They're keeping our show interesting. At least. At least, if you're following along in the comments. [00:20:13] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I like the Joe Flacco signing just because I'd rather have him than any of these other bridge quarterbacks. Like I was saying, like, there's. There's all these bridge quarterbacks that they talked about. It's like you get Joe Flacco for basically nothing. It's. [00:20:26] Speaker B: And that's fair. And look, I. Look, I like Joe Flacco. I like Joe Flacco a lot. And I hope that he plays as well as he did the last time he was here. But even as well as he played the last time he was here. Right. We kind of saw that catch up to him in the playoff game. And that wasn't all his fault. I mean, there were a Number of things that didn't go well in that game. But. But Joe Flacco turned the ball over quite a bit. And so it just, it's one of those things where I just feel like we're, we're trying to retread something based on, you know, the nostalgia of the. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Moment and you want my prediction for Joe Flacco this year is gone. You want my prediction for Joe Flacco this year? He's going to absolutely swing it for four games and he's going to get helicoptered and broken in half and we're going to go 4 and 12 and. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Then the pickler will come in. [00:21:13] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I guess it's better than. [00:21:16] Speaker B: The tickler to Sean. [00:21:17] Speaker C: Yep. All right. And then one more thing here before we bring on our first guest. Just, just state of the Browns and the main thing I wanted to start with here is, is there's a lot of exciting things happening. There's a lot of, you know, who can we take it to? There's options you could trade down. Even if you want to get more draft capital, trade up from 33 back into the first round. There's all kinds of things that could happen. Here's the bottom line. At some point in the next. What is that, 72 hours the Browns have to address the quarterback position because even with Joe Flacco on the roster and Kenny Pickett and Deshaun Watson, this is, this is probably one of the most. This is probably the worst quarterback room. And basically so if you don' something, the state of the Browns is poor, bad. [00:22:07] Speaker B: But what the Joe Flacco signing did, though, was bought them time and flexibility because you're picking it too. And the conventional wisdom is you have to have a quarterback. So they were going to have to use that on a quarterback. And at least now you can go if, if we want to take best available we can. And we could still pick a quarterback later in the draft and it could be an early pick in, you know, later in the draft, but it doesn't have to be number two. [00:22:37] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true. That's true. And there's actually a few quarterbacks that I like. I actually like some of the mid round quarterback quarterbacks that are out there more than I like these guys that are right at the top of the draft. [00:22:49] Speaker B: So look right like it's the biggest conundrum in football and in all of pro sports because we all know if you nail the quarterback, it changes everything for your franchise. And these guys are such a crapshoot that even when you get a first round guy that doesn't always mean he's gonna work out sometimes. And it's more rare. Sure, sometimes a guy like Russell Wilson falls in the third round and ends up playing well for a long time, you know, but it's just, the point is like you have to identify the guy that you can build around, that you can put a system around that's going to work for your franchise. Everybody wants Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and I think we have to get to a point where those, we know those guys are generational talent and they will change your franchise when you find them, but they're also incredibly rare. So you have to sometimes work with what you have. And all these guys have different skill sets. All these guys have played in high leverage situations and in big games and have good, you know, pedigree and skills and different combine stats and things and, and you just have to find the ones that you can work with and, and, and make good decisions around them. And that's what's plagued this franchise, frankly, is not making good decisions around whoever's at the helm. [00:24:06] Speaker C: We're primed to make some more bad ones. [00:24:09] Speaker B: We're ready to go. [00:24:10] Speaker C: Let's, let's do crazy. Let's make some bad decisions, you know. Yeah. And then real quick in the comments here, yeah, it is weird to say I love Joe Flacco. I agree. But no, you are 100% correct. It is proof that they do need a quarter, that they know that they need a quarterback in this draft. So. [00:24:28] Speaker B: And even this draft though, it's like everybody's like, I mean look, I mean listen, just look at Shadur and the talk of him. I mean he could go anywhere between 2 and 50 and nobody would be surprised. So it's, and it's, it feels like every one of these guys is being looked at as a next tier guy. But here's the thing. Two, three of these guys are going to play next year for somebody and they're going to be average to good and they're going to, they're going to change the franchise that they're on regardless of whether we see them as next to your guys now. Like there's a couple of these guys, regardless, just by sheer default of situation that are going to get playing time and somebody's going to be good. You just got to hope you pick the right guy. [00:25:13] Speaker C: Right. So, but yeah, so that's, I mean that, that pretty much wraps up the off season stuff. I mean we went through pretty quick, you know, off season stuff is hard to keep up with. It's, it's. It's. You know, there's some other podcasts that they'll try and break news for you and do all kinds of stuff. Guys, we're commentary. [00:25:29] Speaker B: We don't break news. Yeah, we're not in that game. [00:25:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I got two kids now. I. I ain't got time for news. [00:25:36] Speaker B: We're not a 24 hour news organization. [00:25:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I just, I just talk about it later. [00:25:39] Speaker B: It. [00:25:40] Speaker C: We. We know our role. We get it. We shut our mouths and know our role. [00:25:43] Speaker B: You're rolling. Shut your mouth. [00:25:46] Speaker C: But with that, let's go ahead and kind of switch gears here and get into. To the draft a little bit more. So, Kenny, I believe we have a guest waiting if you want to bring on our first guest. [00:25:54] Speaker B: Is it time? [00:25:56] Speaker C: It's time. [00:25:57] Speaker B: It's time for the Burning River Sportscast first. It's been time tonight. [00:26:02] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker B: Here we go. [00:26:07] Speaker C: Kevin, how are you? [00:26:09] Speaker D: What is up? What is up? How we doing? [00:26:12] Speaker C: Yeah, we got. So everybody, we got Kevin here from the Browns backers of North Jersey, and he actually happens to be at the stadium for the Browns draft party. So Kevin, how are things there? What are the vibes like down. Down at the stadium? I know there's a Journey concert going on too, so. [00:26:31] Speaker D: Currently going on. I believe it's about to end, so. But I mean, go good. [00:26:35] Speaker C: He walked out. [00:26:37] Speaker D: We did a combined. We knew combined maybe like five songs of Journey. So we're like, yeah, we'll see how it goes. But I mean, so far it's been great. The buys have been awesome. But everyone's just ready for this draft to finally have like a first round pick in what, four or five years. So everyone's excited for that. [00:26:51] Speaker C: Kevin, you're. You're aging yourself here about how young you are. You don't know any Journey songs. [00:26:55] Speaker D: Yeah, I wasn't proud of it. I gotta say, I was very happy though. They played Don't Stop Believing pretty early, so I'm like, if these guys didn't miss that song, I'm freaking out. So I was excited. [00:27:04] Speaker B: They. [00:27:04] Speaker D: At least they played it pretty quick. They played it pretty early. So. [00:27:08] Speaker C: So, so Kevin, what are. You know, you're. You're down there. There's a lot of fans down at the stadium right now. What are you hearing as far as who does. Who do the fans think the Browns are going to take with that pick? Do they think they're going to stay there? They think they're going to move. What's. What's the deal. [00:27:25] Speaker D: It sounds like Travis Hunter, honestly, down here. So the. The penis. Not. I'm trying to. What's the piano guy. The penis that it's called. [00:27:34] Speaker C: Yeah, the penis. [00:27:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:36] Speaker D: I don't know what's it. It's like the pianos, whatever it's called. He goes. He actually said he's like, who wants Travis Hunter? And about like almost the entire stadium started screaming like that. So it's very skeptical that it's gonna be. I'm on. I'm actually on a podcast right now. They all say I'm pretty skeptical that. That it's going to be challenging here, but. Yeah, exactly. [00:28:03] Speaker C: So that's. That's what they want. What do you want, Kevin? [00:28:07] Speaker D: I was very leaning towards Abdul Card in the beginning, but injuries. Yeah, as. As he's got that foot palm. I believe that's true. But I was very leaning towards Abdul Carter, but towards it. I'm like, with the signing of Joe Flacco, I looked at what he did with the Mark Cooper, I looked at what he did with the Joker, I looked at what he did with like Turman, and I'm like, you put that guy on offense with Joe Flacco, that's. That's a guy that's going to toss up that long ball and how can he not succeed with that? You know? And I mean, yeah, you can go. [00:28:36] Speaker A: Here and there with the cornerbacking and. [00:28:39] Speaker D: Especially with the talks now that Greg Newsom on the trade block for draft day. So. And with. With the talk like that, who knows what can happen with. With Travis Hunter, Honestly. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Well, here's. [00:28:51] Speaker C: No, here's. [00:28:52] Speaker B: I mean, here's my question, Kevin. So the Browns take Travis Hunter at 2. What's your confidence level that the Browns will find a way to utilize him in his diverse skill set just because he's not like anybody else. Right. He can play two positions. Like, what does this look like? Is he coming in. In red zone packages? Is he playing a lot of DB? Is he playing 15 plays at a wide receiver? Like, what's your confidence level that the Browns are capable of figuring out what to do with a guy like that? [00:29:20] Speaker D: So honestly, so obviously from North Jersey, and as weird as this sounds, I was talking to some people that were some Pats fans and I. And I said, remember the Miami miracle when you had Gronk lining up in safety? I'm like, maybe Travis Hunter can be like that. Obviously you're not going to use them all the time, but it's like you fill them in for the spots where Games on the line, you got a guy that knows how to play the safety, knows how to play the cornerback position, when you know how he's going to read a wide receiver and stuff like that. So I'm thinking maybe like a 90 wide receiver, 10 cornerback. Who doesn't know. Andrew Berry said Travis Hunter review him as a wide receiver. So I'm very skeptical on how he's going to be used in the. In the defensive position, but because he goes, oh, if I don't play both sides of football, I'm not playing football again. [00:30:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm finally making your dreams come true. [00:30:11] Speaker D: You're gonna play what you want to play. Like, come on. [00:30:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that was just posturing by him and him saying, like, I'm willing to do whatever it takes for the team more so than anything. But I. I just. I don't see him playing both ways in the NFL. I honestly don't. Like maybe 20, 30 years ago, but the way these guys train and spend hours and hours watching film and everything else, like, there's just not enough hours in the day to do that. How you gonna do it? [00:30:37] Speaker D: Nah, that's why I'm like, you use them in the times where you maybe need them, but other than that, I think they view them as just a wide receiver alone. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah, Kevin, there's a lot of quarterbacks out there. The Browns are probably going to pick one of them. Who's your guy? [00:30:53] Speaker D: Oh, I'm a big Jackson Dart fan. We talked about it, but I think we went on the podcast last time we were on. But for some reason, I keep drawing a Jackson Dart. I like his. I like his composure, everything like that he got. I was very leaning towards Milro, but I'm. [00:31:09] Speaker B: I can. [00:31:09] Speaker D: I can be found Milro if the running back position is awesome, like, if it's just your own Ford, because Miller's a good running quarterback, but Milroy's not gonna learn from a guy like Joe Flatfield. Those are two different kinds of quarterbacks right there. So I think Jackson Dark can be a very good guy. I don't want. I don't want Tyler Sourdough. Sour whatever the hell his fucking last name is. This guy is. This guy's 25 years old. Have we not learned from Brandon Whedon? [00:31:33] Speaker C: Yeah, don't take that guy. [00:31:35] Speaker D: I don't want him at all. [00:31:36] Speaker C: I'm out on him. And. [00:31:37] Speaker D: But if. If you were to tell me, Jackson darts there, 33, you pull the plug. It's going right there, Jack, 33. But I mean, if Melrose there. I know Andrew Bear is a big melro guy, so I think it could be. It could work out, but that's also if we don't. We don't know what we're doing. Running back, like, if you're fine with having a possible guy that can quarterback, that can run the ball. [00:32:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Milroe be reconnecting with Tommy Reese, too, so. Good speculation there. Kevin, listen, we want to keep you. We would love to keep you on all night and talk to you, but we have other guests that we got to get to. I think we have three more guests still tonight, and we got a few things that we need to talk about before the draft starts. So head back in there, enjoy yourself, send us some pictures and videos. [00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah, one more day. [00:32:24] Speaker D: All right? If you won't take it, if you want to take it from them, take it from me. Go into the hot take hotline. Okay? Go into the hot take hotline. If you don't listen to them, listen to me. [00:32:33] Speaker C: Put the number up, Kenny. [00:32:34] Speaker B: I'm doing it. I'm doing it. [00:32:36] Speaker D: Whatever it's at, throw it up there. [00:32:37] Speaker C: My dude. My dude. [00:32:39] Speaker D: Hey, gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. [00:32:41] Speaker C: Thanks. [00:32:43] Speaker D: Have a good one. Okay. [00:32:44] Speaker B: Appreciate it. Thank you. [00:32:48] Speaker D: My good. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Yeah, you're good. I had to kick him out. [00:32:59] Speaker C: Kevin forgot how to hang up. No. So, yeah, I mean, good commentary there. It sounds like the draft party at the stadium's a lot. A lot of fun. I thought it was a neat idea. I'd never heard the Browns do that before, so they may have and I missed it, but I'm a little salty. [00:33:15] Speaker B: Because they stole all of our. [00:33:18] Speaker C: All of our guests that were going. [00:33:19] Speaker B: To be on this show. [00:33:20] Speaker C: Yeah, we had several alumni lined up, and then they're like, sorry, we got to go to the Brown stage. [00:33:24] Speaker B: Go to the Browns party. [00:33:25] Speaker C: Apparently, the Browns take precedence over the burning over sportscast. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Apparently Journey does. [00:33:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:30] Speaker B: I don't know, Kevin. No. [00:33:34] Speaker C: Let's run through this real quick, Kenny. The obvious top guys that they're looking at for potential picks at number two, right? We got Travis Hunter, we got Shador Sanders, Abdul Carter, and then there's the options to trade down or even tr. At one point, they were talking about trading up for Ward. I think that's passed. But out of those, who's your guy or what's your strategy? I should say. Yeah, look, this isn't your ideal scenario either yet. This is just who you think they're gonna take. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I. My, my. My heart and mind both tell me it's going to be Travis Hunter. There's just too much smoke there. It seems like every visit they had with him was stellar. I think he's been saying all the right things. When you consider a guy that is. [00:34:21] Speaker C: Not cocky, in my opinion, like he'll walk that line. [00:34:24] Speaker B: And when you consider a guy that has the skill set to play wide receiver and defensive back from the money standpoint alone, if he were to just say like and he very well and could say I'm going to play wide receiver and there's 20 teams in the NFL that would want his, his talent as a wide receiver or more. And he, he hasn't, he's, he's all the, the entire time has maintained he's willing to do whatever's best for the team. I do, I do worry about the Browns and their utilization of a guy with that versatile of a skill set. [00:34:59] Speaker C: We don't know what to do with people like that and we don't. [00:35:01] Speaker B: And look, I know a lot of that is like my, the, the historical basis telling me that they'll screw it up because they never used Josh Cribs in an optimum fashion. When Terrell Pryor had his breakout year, like they could have done a lot of things with him that they just stayed away from and they've had other guys that are kind of in that vein kind of come and go. And I know that's not fair to put on Stefanski and Barry because that was other coaching staffs in that. But it's just the history of the Browns not being able to put a guy that's versatile and unique in the best situation possible. And I don't have just a lot of faith in this coach staff at this point to take a guy like that and figure out what to do with him. I think honestly, like it's, everybody is excited about the fact that he's a two way player. Right. He can do both. [00:35:47] Speaker C: I think it's a moot point. It doesn't mean anything because you can't do that in the NFL. [00:35:51] Speaker B: Well, I just think that it's, it's very short sighted to think like we can just throw him in for a handful of plays on defense. Playing corner in the NFL is so. [00:36:02] Speaker C: Difficult and it's a full time. It's literally the hardest thing in sports in my opinion. [00:36:06] Speaker B: It's so hard and I think that you have to have those reps and you have to be able to be able to match up with those same guys all afternoon because when the play matters in the fourth quarter like Having that book of work on a guy that you've been guarding all day, like, it makes the difference. And for them to just think like, oh, we're going to throw him in here and there, we're going to throw him in on red zone. I think undervalues the team difficulty of playing cornerback in the NFL. I think you could play full time Corner and play 5, 10 plays as a wide receiver in leverage situations and make a difference. I think it's harder to go the other way. I think it's harder to be a starting receiver and play spot coverage as a, as a nickel guy or a dime guy or even just on a man on man against their best receiver. Like, yeah, it's so difficult. [00:36:54] Speaker C: I totally agree. And I mean, it, it's just different. I mean, it just is nothing against the wide receivers out there, whatever. But yeah, I mean, it just takes, it's so much more technical to guard a guy when you don't know what's coming than it is to run a route against a guy who doesn't know what's coming. [00:37:17] Speaker B: Right, Right. Yeah. [00:37:19] Speaker C: Like, I mean, you could be a, if you're a solid athlete, and I'm talking athletes on like this level, obviously not like, you know, your average athlete out there can't go out there and play wide receiver in the NFL. But like, guys at this level like Travis Hunter can play wide receiver for a few plays and dedicate himself to cornerback. But I, I think you hit it right on the head. I mean, I don't think there's any way you can go the other way with the amount of work that it takes to be an NFL corner. [00:37:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's just so hard. And to your point, right. It's that difference between I'm running a route that I know what I'm running and you don't know what's coming that allows you that kind of, that buffer as a wide receiver versus you're playing db. I mean, you are on top of it on every play, maximum energy. And if you're not, you're getting burnt. [00:38:03] Speaker C: Yeah, it kind of, it kind of makes me laugh when, you know the reputations of position groups in the NFL, right. The, the wide receivers are always divas or not. I shouldn't say always, but that's the reputation that a lot of wide receivers get as their divas. And cornerbacks are to an extent, but way less so than wide receivers. It just makes me laugh because it's like the guy, the guy that holds all the cards is the guy that's always talking the most and chirping the most and. [00:38:31] Speaker B: And, well, and again, I go back to just even Brown's history telling me that to your point, if you're a good enough athlete, you could make it work. You could kind of fake it for a little while. Right. Braylon Edwards had a great season as a Browns wide receiver. Darrell Briar had a great season as a Browns wide receiver. Like, it can show up in flashes like that if you're a good enough athlete. [00:38:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:51] Speaker E: That. [00:38:51] Speaker B: You can't do that as a cornerback. Who was the last corner that had one great year, and we were like, yeah, this guy's the best. And then the next year, you get exposed so fast in the NFL as a bad coverage guy, you just can't make it. [00:39:04] Speaker C: You want to go even bigger names than that. He wasn't even that great here, but Odell Beckham, he had, what, two good seasons, and then everybody thought he was a legend forever. And he hasn't had a good one since. [00:39:12] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I don't know that he cared all that much about football at the end of the day, but. [00:39:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:17] Speaker B: But yes. I just think, you know, it's. It's just. It's so. It's so different, and I just think people don't. It's just underappreciated, the difficulty level of that position on the field and what those guys have to do every single Sunday versus wide receivers. And not that wide receiver is easy, but I just. It's. It's just different. And I think it's so hard to go back and forth and. And look, there's a body who worked there. He did it in college. So there. That's fine. But it's just. This isn't Colorado anymore. [00:39:47] Speaker C: Right. This ain't the Big 12. But anyways. Yeah. So. So you've got Hunter going to him with that top pick. I'm going to have to agree with you. I think they kind of just look at it in the overall level of talent, and they say, can't really pass this guy up. And that's where it is. [00:40:06] Speaker B: And I'm not even mad about that. Right. If they go Travis Hunter at two, like, sometimes it's just, you did what. [00:40:12] Speaker C: Common sense tells you to do. [00:40:13] Speaker B: You just do the smart thing. Right. You just do like, this guy is going to elevate your franchise. How much? That's the question. Will he elevate your franchise? Yes. On some level, the Browns will be better tomorrow if they draft Travis Hunter. [00:40:26] Speaker C: Yeah. And so real quick, before we get our next guests on here, a couple comments came in Travis. Greg Smittel said Travis Hunter's a no brainer at the top. That's kind of what we just said. I mean he's really the one that, that because Cam Ward's going number one. Everyone knows that. So Travis Hunter makes the most sense at number two if you're sticking there. And then Greg followed that up with if we pass on QB in first, who are some guys you would take a chance on in the later rounds? You already mentioned Jackson Dart. We mentioned Jalen Milroe possibly reuniting with Tommy Reese, which I don't think is a bad idea. I'm not a big Jalen Milro guy. I think he's got accuracy issues and sure he can run fast, but that's not all it takes. And then you know we're biased. But I like Will Howard later as far as a value pick. If you get him in the fourth or fifth, like that's a pretty good quarterback to be getting that late in the draft. [00:41:17] Speaker B: So I don't know that he'll fall quite that far. [00:41:20] Speaker C: I'm just, I'm just saying as far as guys that are going to be back there that you could potentially snag later. [00:41:25] Speaker B: Yeah, look, I mean the Browns are at 2 and what, 33. So you have a lot of flexibility to do a lot of different things. I love the idea of a guy like Chadur Falls and you could pair shoulder back with Travis Hunter and get both of those guys. At the end of the day, I'm totally okay with that. Look, I know there's a lot of talk about shadow. People don't like him because of who his dad is and just everything that comes with it. But look, I look at a guy that if there's anybody that's ready for the NFL spotlight and to be a starting quarterback and it's the guy that's. [00:41:59] Speaker C: Been around the NFL his entire life. [00:42:01] Speaker B: That'S grew up like being like he was baptized in it. He, he is ready for that. And, and he, it every acts like the drop. Like he sucks. I'm like he's not terrible. Like measurably like. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:17] Speaker B: And things. But like he's, he's a, he's a good player. [00:42:21] Speaker C: He's a good metrics. He actually graded out as like one of the top prospects in years. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So like he's not, he's not going. He's not terrible. He's not bad. Like. No, I, I don't know that he'll fall quite that far or that they able to make a play. But look, again, you have a lot of flexibility. They have a lot of draft capital. I wouldn't even if you wanted to try to move into, like the end of the first round if he was still there. I like that idea of bringing those guys back together because you have instant chemistry there. And I think that he's. He's. He's embattled. He's ready. He's ready to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. [00:42:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So. So with that. Kenny, do we have a guest waiting here? [00:43:02] Speaker B: We got all the guests waiting to come in here. Which one? [00:43:06] Speaker C: The. All right, so next up, guys, we're going to bring in Cliff Coulson from chapter of the year, Mile High Brownsbackers. [00:43:12] Speaker B: It's time. Time for Cliff. [00:43:18] Speaker C: Cliff. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Hey, can you guys hear me? [00:43:22] Speaker C: I can hear you. Yes. How you doing? [00:43:26] Speaker A: Pretty good. Doing excellent. Doing excellent. It's been a great day here at a Mile High. [00:43:33] Speaker C: You guys are out at Stoney's, right. But you're at the other location because there were some conflicts. [00:43:37] Speaker A: There were some conflicts. Something to do with some NBA franchise and some NFL franchise. [00:43:44] Speaker C: I don't know. They gave me a bunch of crap about not listening. I wasn't really paying attention. Yeah. So Cliff, being at Stoney's, though, you guys do have a watch party going on, do you. Are you able to swivel around and show us what's going on? [00:43:58] Speaker A: We are. We. We're. We're pretty low right now at this point. We can't. I can't get. I can. Okay, here we go. That's where we're at. That's where. Yeah, that's where we're at right now. [00:44:12] Speaker B: Mile High, baby. [00:44:14] Speaker C: Listen, That's. That's six people in Denver, Colorado watching the Cleveland Browns draft rather than all of the other sports going on with Denver right now. [00:44:22] Speaker B: So. And the draft hasn't started yet. [00:44:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And it hasn't started. And holy cow, we could. We might spend the entire evening sitting here waiting for another draft pick. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Don't say that. [00:44:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't. I don't want to. Don't say it. But that's true. [00:44:39] Speaker A: You don't. [00:44:40] Speaker C: I don't. I don't want to sit here and wait for another. [00:44:42] Speaker B: Oh, I. I thought you meant there was going to trade number two. I'm okay. If they get a second. [00:44:46] Speaker A: No, we're not trading number two, but we will back in. Trading back into the first round. [00:44:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:53] Speaker C: I don't want to do that either. Because, I mean, we'll talk about scenarios here in a minute. I'm not totally against it. I just know the last, like, four times we've done it, it's ended horribly. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Okay. [00:45:04] Speaker C: Oh. Definitely don't get to pick. Definitely don't move up to pick 22. So. [00:45:11] Speaker A: Brandon. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:13] Speaker C: Johnny Mandel. Brandon Whedon. [00:45:17] Speaker A: Forgot about him at 22. [00:45:19] Speaker B: I. I still have faith in Johnny. He might still make a comeback. [00:45:22] Speaker C: 1. Who was the third one that was at 22 that was really bad was Deshawn. [00:45:27] Speaker B: When was Deshawn Kaiser picked? [00:45:29] Speaker C: I think that might be it. I think it was. [00:45:31] Speaker A: He was a. He was a third round pick. [00:45:32] Speaker B: Was he a third rounder? [00:45:33] Speaker A: And we said now. [00:45:36] Speaker C: No, there. There was a third one, though, that was really bad at number 22 for the Browns. So. But either way. Yeah. So, Cliff. What. I know you've been kind of polling the. The chapter out there to see what. As far as where they're, you know, who we should take. What's the consensus? [00:45:55] Speaker A: The consensus right now is with the online, it's Hunter. We got, you know, I had. Yeah, the Hunter. One pick for Carter and one pick for trade down at this point. [00:46:12] Speaker C: Okay. [00:46:13] Speaker A: The consensus. The consensus. I got to tell you what my son wants to do. He wants to. He wants to take Travis Hunter and then move up after. If New Orleans does not take Shador. Move up and go get Shador. [00:46:31] Speaker B: I was just saying that I'm good with that. [00:46:34] Speaker C: He's baptized by fire. [00:46:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:37] Speaker C: Cardiac Dogs guy. Cardiac. Our boy over at Cardiac Dogs let us know is Brady Quinn. That was the guy. [00:46:43] Speaker A: Yes. [00:46:44] Speaker C: 22. [00:46:45] Speaker A: God. I have a story about Brady Quinn and my daughter, but that's another. [00:46:49] Speaker C: That sounds. [00:46:50] Speaker B: It sounds like we need to hear this right now. [00:46:53] Speaker A: Her freshman year in high school, she talks to me at a week before the draft and she goes, hey, dad, could be. Could the Browns draft Brady Quinn? And I'm like, I have no clue if they will or not. But why do you ask about Brady Quinn? Oh, he's so freaking cute, dad. [00:47:17] Speaker C: That was kind of the response. That's when, you know they're not. They're probably not that great at quarterback. [00:47:22] Speaker A: But he was so damn good looking. So anyways. [00:47:25] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, great. I mean, you even look at, like, the goat. Well, let's go with the top two. Tom Brady, he looks okay now, but he's had a lot of work done. Or coming out. [00:47:34] Speaker D: He looks like a foot. [00:47:37] Speaker B: He had to lose that baby weight. [00:47:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Coming out of college. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Yeah. How many Highlights. Have you seen this past week of Tom Brady doing his 40? [00:47:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:47] Speaker A: Oh my God. [00:47:49] Speaker C: Seriously though, like, like no disrespect to Tom Brady, but coming out of Michigan and I especially hate him because he came out of Michigan but he legitimately looked like Shrek. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Cliff, I got a serious question. [00:48:02] Speaker A: Just talking. How come I think of an allstar and whatever the name that group was. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Anyway, Cliff, I got a, I got a serious question. Just because you're out in Colorado, so you probably saw a little more of Shadur and even Travis Hunter than a lot of us. I mean just, just being the fact that they were probably local games for you. I mean what's your, what's your just personal read on Shadur as a player? I mean kind of away from all the spotlight and Dion stuff like just watching him play. What's your feeling, your feeling there? [00:48:32] Speaker A: Personally, I, I might not be too excited about him because of his, you know, his father and stuff and potential future. However, what's, what could be the possibility that if Kevin doesn't work out, here comes, here comes Dion, here comes Dion to coach the Browns and stuff. [00:48:52] Speaker B: Now we're talking. [00:48:53] Speaker C: If nothing else is exciting. [00:48:55] Speaker A: Yes, it was exciting. Shador is, is an exciting quarterback and the only reason that I want to pick him is my, my 17 year old son is like man, make it happen. And I would like he said today on our way down to Stoney's uptown, he said I would love nothing more than to represent a Travis Hunter jersey in this town with a Cleveland Browns jersey and Shador Sanders with a Cleveland Browns jersey in Colorado. So I mean I'm gonna go with that. It's my 17 year old son that I've taught the right way and I'm gonna go with it. [00:49:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's gonna be weird between Joe Flacco and whoever they drafted tonight or this, this weekend to have quarterbacks that we like again, just like personally we're excited about, we're rooting for. Isn't that going to be weird? [00:49:56] Speaker A: We'll always. Who's the, who's the next best quarterback in Cleveland? The backup. But you know, I, I'm, I'm, I, I don't know where we're going to go today but I would be be happy with Travis Hunter. We'll go from there. [00:50:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I will say this to your point, Kenny. You said you know somebody we could like again, we'll like him for a minute and then the Browns, and then the Browns won't be very good and then we won't like them again. [00:50:27] Speaker B: But I think they're gonna have more Runway. Right. Than a guy like this John had. [00:50:32] Speaker C: Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. [00:50:33] Speaker A: I mean, at one point. At one point during this entire process, and I mean, we have been dumped on. We've been dumped on with so much information and stuff. I was ready to go with Genti out of Boise State and stuff. [00:50:47] Speaker B: I don't hate that idea. [00:50:50] Speaker C: We don't have a running back right now. [00:50:52] Speaker A: No, we don't. [00:50:53] Speaker D: We. [00:50:53] Speaker A: And so that would. That wouldn't be a bad pick either. [00:50:57] Speaker B: And that's why pick the guy that you can't tackle. Right. [00:51:02] Speaker A: And that's why there's a pick in. In our contest. So we're running gear at. At Stoney's uptown tonight. There's a. There's a bin for. [00:51:13] Speaker C: Oh, here. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Thanks, Ned. Here we go. And now for something completely different. [00:51:21] Speaker C: So. [00:51:23] Speaker A: So. Gotta go with the Monty Python theme. [00:51:31] Speaker B: Well, that's awesome. [00:51:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Listen, I think. I think everybody's probably spot on. I think chances are they take. They take Travis Hunter at number two. There has been a lot of talk in the last 24 to 36 hours about them trading down. Now, I know one of our comments here was how would you feel about them trading down to say, five to the Jags, taking one of the offensive tackles high in the draft and then getting a quarterback with 33? I mean, not a bad idea. I just think that. Listen, you. Everybody's got to remember this too. This is the first time in years that Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry have had a first round pick. And it's high. We have not had a first round. [00:52:13] Speaker A: Draft pick since 2018. Am I right on that one? [00:52:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I believe so. So I just, I don't. Yeah, I don't think. I just don't buy the fact that the strategy is going to be to trade down when they finally have. I mean, basically gold to play with being the number two pick. There's. [00:52:34] Speaker A: There's. There's so much good they could. Let's face it, the Browns control the draft right now. I mean, I am. I am. I am I. [00:52:44] Speaker C: The only thing we control. [00:52:48] Speaker A: You guys are so positive. [00:52:51] Speaker C: We're just realistic. Cliff. By the way, Cliff, I like that you went. You went very formal here in your Clifford Colson tonight. Your Clifford Coulson on your name tag there. I like that you went formal on us and you went full name. [00:53:08] Speaker A: Well, if I went full name, it would. There. There wouldn't be enough spaces to put it in there. [00:53:13] Speaker B: So, Cliff, I would be remiss if we didn't ask about the. The chapter of the year celebration and just everything that went down there just so give us a sense that we. [00:53:22] Speaker C: Wanted to make it out. We couldn't, though. [00:53:24] Speaker B: Yeah, we would have loved to have been there, but it looked like an awesome party and just well deserved for your guys's group. [00:53:29] Speaker C: It was a. [00:53:30] Speaker A: It was a fantastic night with the chapter of the year. We had Joe Schobert, we had Bridget from the, you know, the game day host at the stadium and stuff. It was just super fantastic. It was. It was one of the best nights of my life. I mean, you know, a goal that I've shot for, for a long time. And it happened. And so I was super stoked. [00:53:53] Speaker C: Right up there just above, you know, the birth of your children and getting married. [00:54:01] Speaker A: Three. Married one, birth of children two, chapter of the year three. [00:54:09] Speaker C: This is a guy that's been married for a while. [00:54:11] Speaker A: He knows. [00:54:12] Speaker B: He knows his place. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Over 30 years. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Yep, yep. He knows. He knows. Well, listen, Cliff, we would love to stay on and talk to you all night. We got one more guest we got to try and get to here before the Browns before the draft starting, like, any second before the Browns get up to pick. So we will be in touch soon. Remind all your. Your members, everybody else that you talk to. We do have a giveaway going away going on. There'll be more details on our socials. We're giving away a David Najoku jersey as well as a Miles Garrett plaque, both of those signed. So you'll see more info soon. But make sure you're. You're following on YouTube or subscribed on YouTube, following on all socials to get entered to those. [00:54:52] Speaker A: Absolutely. Guys, it is such a pleasure that we've gotten to get. Get together and stuff. And I know you got, let's say, yeah, we're about ready to go to ESPN or whatever. [00:55:01] Speaker C: You know us, we talk a lot. [00:55:03] Speaker A: For watching and stuff. It was a pleasure to be here, guys, and thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. [00:55:09] Speaker C: No problem. Thanks. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Anytime, Cliff. [00:55:10] Speaker A: All right, take care, fellas. [00:55:14] Speaker C: All right, let's just roll right into it. Kenny, bring on our next guest when you're ready. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Had to get rid of Cliff. [00:55:22] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:55:25] Speaker B: It's time for guest number three. [00:55:31] Speaker C: Robert. How are you? [00:55:33] Speaker E: What's up, guys? [00:55:34] Speaker C: How are you, man? [00:55:36] Speaker E: Not too bad. [00:55:38] Speaker C: Listen, so we're going to Robert Hamilton here from the Naples Brownsbackers. So we literally went from this year's chapter of the year to last year's chapter of the year, just Bringing it full circle. Yeah. And we happen to be. I don't know if anybody knows this or not. We happen to be the official podcast of both of these brownsbackers chapters, so. [00:55:57] Speaker E: Yes, sir. [00:55:58] Speaker C: It sounds like they know something you don't. If you're not following us, Robert, spin your camera sideways. Better. That didn't work. That did not work. I don't know what happened there, but anyways, just keep it this way. [00:56:17] Speaker E: Sorry, I'm on my phone. [00:56:19] Speaker C: Oh, you're good. I. I like your setup back there. [00:56:22] Speaker A: He's losing it. He can't stop. [00:56:27] Speaker C: Robert, I. I love the setup. I know you're at home tonight because you couldn't be in with your chapter. I believe your. Your dog had surgery or some. Something along those. [00:56:37] Speaker E: She had some seizures and now we have to. She has to be medicated. My wife's out of town, so. [00:56:43] Speaker C: We get it. Listen, listen. You take care of the brownsbackers chapter down there, and then, you know, we're all part of the dog pound. You're also at home taking care of your dog, so, you know, it. You're just. You're just doing everything here. You're a. You're a Jack of all trades, right? [00:56:58] Speaker E: Trying to. [00:56:59] Speaker C: Yeah. So. No, but we appreciate you joining us, Robert. What. What do you think is going to happen tonight? I mean, I know we've kind of talked and we're trying to see what your club thinks. What. What does your club think is going to happen at 2 and what do you think is going to happen at 2? [00:57:13] Speaker E: The club and I are on a consensus that it's going to be Travis Hunter. [00:57:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:18] Speaker E: But I am also still scared because they just said that the Browns are keeping their phone lines open until they're on the clock. So. [00:57:26] Speaker C: I don't know. I heard some stuff rolls in. [00:57:28] Speaker E: I heard something on the radio today that Jacksonville is going to offer them their entire draft for the number two pick. So we'll see what happens. [00:57:36] Speaker B: Keep saying Jacksonville's very active. So we'll see, though. [00:57:39] Speaker C: Listen, that would be one thing I would take for number two, the. Their entire draft. I'm in. Yeah. [00:57:44] Speaker E: I mean, they're trying. I guess they're trying to pull a Mike Ditko with the Saints with Ricky Williams. [00:57:49] Speaker C: So it worked out well for him. [00:57:52] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Huh. [00:57:53] Speaker E: He lost his job and. [00:57:54] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. No. So, Robert, I know, obviously, like I said, you're at home right now. Did you guys have a good turnout? I know you're in touch with your officers. The watch party? [00:58:05] Speaker E: Not really. There's About. There's. [00:58:07] Speaker C: It's. [00:58:07] Speaker E: It's a pretty. It's a pretty low, low attendance tonight. I know they're all there having fun, but unfortunately not too many people wanted to go out. [00:58:18] Speaker B: I love. I love the candid response, Rob. You can always count over Howard Hamilton to be totally transparent with you. [00:58:25] Speaker E: I'm gonna be honest with you. I could lie and say the bar's packed, but it's not. [00:58:31] Speaker C: It was the perfect opportunity. We couldn't even see, right? No, no, we appreciate that. I mean, we know everybody's watching these watch parties. The fact that you guys even get a handful of people out to these watch parties is phenomenal. It's. It's the dead middle of the off season. [00:58:46] Speaker E: Oh, yeah. [00:58:47] Speaker C: And people are still watching the Browns down in Naples. [00:58:50] Speaker E: So I want to say. I want to say there's 20. There is what my last head count was before I went on with you guys. We were hoping for like 40, but 20 is good for a Thursday night. [00:59:02] Speaker C: 20 is actually pretty good. I mean, you think about that and just 20 people that are willing to get together to watch the Browns draft in multiple locations around the country, and that's a lot of people. [00:59:11] Speaker B: So in Naples, Florida, though, there's a million better things to do than watch Browns. [00:59:17] Speaker C: Literally anything right now. [00:59:18] Speaker B: That's true. [00:59:19] Speaker E: A lot of people are probably just getting off the golf course. [00:59:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So. So you said you're in consensus with the club. You think it's going to be Travis Hunter? Is there. That's who you think it's going to be? Is there a scenario that you'd rather see? [00:59:35] Speaker E: Well, once we signed, resigned Miles, and we brought in that other defensive end, I knew that Abdul Carter was probably off the board. I wouldn't be upset if they went for a quarterback. Just not the. Just not the head case. I could put it that way. I'd be. I'd be okay with, you know, one of the other. Now this guy's daddy should be in the hall of Fame. [01:00:10] Speaker B: That's. [01:00:10] Speaker C: That's true. Anyway, Clay Matthews senior should be in the hall, but. [01:00:15] Speaker E: But, yeah, I can see a quarterback, but I think. I think favorite quarterback in this draft, yeah, probably Cam Ward, but he's gonna go one, so that's fair. [01:00:29] Speaker C: I. I was. Listen, we. We had a deep discussion about this during bowl season and. And I was real high on Cam Ward until he played just to break a record and then exited the game. [01:00:40] Speaker E: Well, yeah, he quit on his team. Yeah. [01:00:42] Speaker C: His team had a chance to win, and I was like, to Me like you do one or the other. You don't just. You'll say I play it till I break the record, then I'm out. [01:00:49] Speaker E: Right. [01:00:50] Speaker C: So that just rubbed me the wrong way. The wrong way. You always do. But no, So I was. I don't. You know, I think we're dodging a bullet with Cam Ward going one and us. Yeah. [01:01:04] Speaker E: But I mean, I could see us trading back into the. With the. With the trade they made today to get that extra fifth round pick and got rid of the sixth and seventh rounds. I could see us maybe trade back into the first round for a late pick, maybe take Howard, maybe take the other guy out of. Oh, crap. His name's. I can't think of his name right. [01:01:30] Speaker C: Now, but which one were you talking. So Mill, there's Milro, Dart, there's Sourdough. [01:01:39] Speaker E: I think we could take. I. I wouldn't be upset with Dart or even Howard, but I mean the Browns never even interviewed Howard, so I don't even know if they're on his. [01:01:47] Speaker C: If they're even plays in their backyard. They don't have to. [01:01:49] Speaker E: Oh, yeah, that's true. [01:01:51] Speaker C: So I think that's what people aren't. They're. They're playing up the whole. You know, they didn't have any meetings with Will Howard, but honestly, like they. They play right there. They saw all the coverage on Will Howard all season. Right. By the way, the Tennessee Titans are on the clock. They're down to about nine minutes. [01:02:09] Speaker B: Breaking news. [01:02:10] Speaker C: Yeah. We break all the news. [01:02:11] Speaker B: We break all the news. [01:02:13] Speaker C: We break all the news. That's already happening. But no. So. Yeah. Robert, listen, we. We appreciate it. We are gonna have to jump off here. We appreciate you stopping by. [01:02:24] Speaker E: Not a problem, buddy. [01:02:24] Speaker C: Your take as far as think is going to happen. [01:02:28] Speaker E: Yes, sir. [01:02:29] Speaker C: Kind of what you want them to do. Hopefully this time tomorrow. Everybody's very excited about the Brown season. [01:02:37] Speaker E: I hope so. We have. We have a. We have a lot of exciting things for that first game out of the gate. So we're hoping. Hoping for some excitement in the off season here. [01:02:47] Speaker C: Absolutely. Well, hey, Robert, thanks again. We appreciate it and thank you guys again. Soon. [01:02:53] Speaker E: Yes, sir. Congrats on the baby, by the way. [01:02:55] Speaker C: Oh, thank you. Thank you. Nobody congratulates you for losing weight, kenny. [01:03:00] Speaker B: I'm down 35 pounds. [01:03:02] Speaker E: Hey, way to go. That's. That's hard to do. [01:03:04] Speaker B: So thank you, Robert. [01:03:06] Speaker E: I'll see you guys in early August. [01:03:09] Speaker C: Yes, sir. [01:03:10] Speaker B: Sounds good. Appreciate it. [01:03:12] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:03:13] Speaker B: Take care. [01:03:18] Speaker C: All right. [01:03:19] Speaker B: What's. There was some Kind of feedback there. That was weird. Did you hear that? Yeah, I heard it, but it's gone now. So it must have just been his phone or something. [01:03:26] Speaker C: Our. Our audience heard was his phone. I think at the end, something happened with just. It was playing loud through the speaker and it was. Yeah, live shows, you gotta love them, but. Yeah, live. So last thing here, just as we're waiting for Tennessee to pick, which I like how they go through the whole 10 minutes when you know it's just gonna be Cam Ward. [01:03:50] Speaker B: The showmanship. [01:03:51] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. A true showman. This is the greatest show. But while we're waiting for them to pick and waiting for the Browns to get on the clock here, Kenny, what's your ideal scenario here? What do you want to happen? [01:04:06] Speaker B: What do I want to happen? Look, I. What I want to happen is you have to come out of this draft with a quarterback that's going to play for your team eventually. [01:04:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:22] Speaker B: So I would love to see them come out of this draft with the quarterback and a running back. As much as I think Travis Hunter is a good pick, I'm not gonna be upset if they pick Travis Hunter. It's fine. I just. I don't see a lot of wide receivers that are making the unassailable difference between super bowl teams and non super bowl teams. Do they win you a game here? There? Make incredible catches? Are they fun to watch? Absolutely. Will they make your team a little bit better? Will they elevate the offense? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, the quarterback is what matters. So to me, it's picking a guy that makes sense. There's a few guys on my list that I like Sourdough that I wouldn't be excited about. [01:05:03] Speaker C: No, no, no. [01:05:04] Speaker B: That I think are bigger projects than others. [01:05:09] Speaker C: Who was that? Kevin. Kevin, I think, hit a lot. Hit the nail on the head with that one. Like, as soon as you tell me the dude's 25 or 26 is a rookie, I'm out. [01:05:17] Speaker B: I mean, my ideal. My ideal combination would be to walk out of this first and second season. [01:05:22] Speaker C: Forming their pick, that he's going to be the number one pick, whoever that may be. Cam Ward. [01:05:26] Speaker B: I wouldn't mind seeing them trade back from two slightly and still pick up a guy like Ashton Genty and then get a guy like Jackson Dart, maybe trading back into the first round late. I'd love to see them come out of this draft with a quarterback that I believe in and a. And a stud running back. I think that it. It resets the franchise that would be my ideal situation. [01:05:51] Speaker C: Yeah. My. No. And I, I like where your head's at there. I agree with both those things. I would love to get both a quarterback and a running back in this. I'm right on the same page with you. As far as Travis Hunter goes, is he the best athlete in this draft, hands down? Absolutely. He's the only guy that plays both sides of the football and he's really good at both positions. However, like you said, I just don't see those guys, I don't see those guys making the unassailable difference. I don't see, especially at wide receiver, which is what Andrew Barry keeps calling him as a wide receiver. Like we, at the end of the day, we still don't have that great of a quarterback. So what's a wide receiver going to do to it for us? Is it going to add very many wins? Probably not. Even if you have Joe Flacco swinging it and playing at a fairly high level, it's still probably not adding too much to the team. So well. [01:06:42] Speaker B: And, and the thing is, is a good quarterback elevates those around him. Right. When Joe Flacco was playing so well, he made Amari Cooper look like the second coming. And now that Amari Cooper is, is garbage. But like he's not, he's not Justin Jefferson. He's not, like he's not a top tier guy. [01:07:01] Speaker C: Right. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Top five, top three wide receiver in the game. But he was playing like one when Joe Flacco was slinging the ball to him. [01:07:07] Speaker C: Yeah. And I, and on the flip side of it, if you do say he's going to be a cornerback, well, the Browns, even with Newsom being on the block, the Browns are already fairly deep at cornerback. And do you really need a cornerback at number two? Like I don't think so. So yeah, I just, I, as much as I think it's going to be Travis Hunter, do I want it to be Travis Hunter? Probably not. My ideal scenario is actually what our buddy here from, from the Cardiac Dogs laid out and it's, it's back. We know the Jaguars are hungry for a top two pick trade back with the Jaguars. Get one of these top tier either offensive tackles or even if it's another edge rusher or top tier, top like defensive player. Get one of those guys with your top pick and then you still have the assets to, to, to trade up if you have to. If you think your guy's going to be gone to that like 25, 26 range. And I know I said I don't want to do it, but if it's only a few picks like that and that's what it takes to get the quarterback that you want in this draft, then I say go do it. And it could be Jackson Dart, it could be Jalen Milroe. I don't really care. Not that high on Jalen Milroe. I think it's his athletic ability is. Is taking all the hype here, but I, you know, I would rather have Jackson Dart. If they move up, even if they stay at 33, that's. That's my ideal scenario. The pick is in for the Titans, by the way, and it is Cam Ward like we thought it was going to be. So no surprises so far. [01:08:36] Speaker B: Poor Will Levis we barely knew. [01:08:41] Speaker C: Yeah, he puts mayonnaise in his coffee. Coffee. [01:08:44] Speaker B: That's okay. I do, too. [01:08:46] Speaker C: No, you don't. No, you don't. [01:08:48] Speaker B: I would, though, because I love mayonnaise. [01:08:51] Speaker C: But. Yeah, so that's. That's my ideal scenario is. Is you just. You take the Jaguars for all they're worth, take their whole draft, take a first round pick next year, whatever, whatever. You get Brown, straight pick. [01:09:02] Speaker F: Oh, no. [01:09:04] Speaker B: Oh, no. It's happening. It's happening. They traded it. [01:09:11] Speaker C: No. [01:09:11] Speaker B: The Browns trade the pick. [01:09:14] Speaker C: No. [01:09:15] Speaker B: Wow. I was not expecting that. [01:09:20] Speaker C: They traded with Jacksonville. My ideal scenario is happening. [01:09:23] Speaker B: I was not expecting them to do that. I'll be totally honest. I really thought the thought process would be we gotta pick a guy that we. We can't miss on because we're picking two. And Travis Hunter was probably that guy. All right, So I am shocked. [01:09:39] Speaker C: Cotton, we have traded with Jacksonville. Have they announced what the actual trade is yet? [01:09:44] Speaker B: They have not. [01:09:47] Speaker C: He was just on the screen. Tell me what we got here. [01:09:50] Speaker B: Twitter sphere. [01:09:51] Speaker C: Yeah, get on there. Tell us what the trade is. But we have traded with Jacksonville, so we will be picking number five. So I guess you're stuck with us for a little bit longer here and me and Kenny are gonna have to improvise. But, yeah, I mean, just. Just around things out and finish what I was talking. [01:10:06] Speaker B: Cleveland gets number five and a massive haul. [01:10:11] Speaker C: That's all it says. [01:10:12] Speaker B: It says. [01:10:16] Speaker C: Incredible. [01:10:17] Speaker B: It's a massive hole. [01:10:21] Speaker C: In case you were wondering what the Browns got. They got a massive. [01:10:23] Speaker B: They got a massive hole. [01:10:25] Speaker C: Yeah. So big news, I guess. [01:10:30] Speaker B: The hashtag Browns trade is a whole. That is what we got tonight, friends. It's time. Time for a hole. [01:10:40] Speaker C: Oh, man. So this changes everything. So now let's switch. Let's shift gears here. We just gave our ideal scenarios Mine's. Mine's still in play here. I like how you put the. [01:10:53] Speaker B: Accident. [01:10:54] Speaker C: That was a good quote, a good comment to highlight. You're real good at this. [01:10:58] Speaker B: Why is my thing broken? [01:11:03] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go. There you go. We did call this. That was exactly where we were going with it. So exciting stuff. [01:11:15] Speaker B: Now what happens? Friends? [01:11:17] Speaker C: I don't know. So I guess that opens it up to new things here. So I'm pulling up the draft board, actually, because I want to go through and just see, like, I got a new. [01:11:26] Speaker B: I got a new lease on life. I am a quarter chub right now. At least. [01:11:31] Speaker C: At least. Maybe less. [01:11:36] Speaker B: Oh, boy. What's gonna happen now? [01:11:39] Speaker C: In case anyone know doesn't realize, we're just taking a moment to collect ourselves here. [01:11:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, this is craziness. So I. Look, this is why you watch the NFL draft left, right? You want, you want drama like you've been waiting all off season. You want to see something happen. And here it is. The Browns get a massive hole. [01:12:03] Speaker C: Yeah, they do. [01:12:04] Speaker B: And you're still in the top 10, right. You're still in that position where you're getting a guy at number five. And the thing is, is now you feel if you didn't love whoever you were picking it to, you feel like at 5 you can pick anybody because you can truly pick best available guys. [01:12:20] Speaker C: I don't know. I'm starting. So what I'm starting to feel here is I, I know I mentioned getting one of these offensive. [01:12:26] Speaker B: Hold up. The hall is a first round pick in 2026, second and fourth round picks this year and a fifth overall pick this year. That is a haul. [01:12:36] Speaker C: A haul. Ah, we had to give up our fourth round pick though. So it's just a fourth round pick. Swap and then six round pick next year. I'm disappointed in the Browns that they gave up anything else. But. But yeah, but I'm still happy with what. What the. What the turnout of this is. [01:12:54] Speaker B: The 2026 first round pick is. Is nice. [01:12:58] Speaker C: The 2025 second round pick is nice. [01:13:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:02] Speaker C: So now we have another pick in the second round. Where were the Jaguars picking in round two? That's the question. [01:13:08] Speaker B: Had to be high. [01:13:09] Speaker C: Yeah. But yeah, we'll look into the details here and we'll talk about it. But what I'm starting to think might be happening here is I know I talked about an offensive tackle possibly at number five. I think we might actually be going with like a Jalen Walker at number five. [01:13:27] Speaker B: I am all in on Ashton Genti at this Point at five. Take that. Dude. Take. [01:13:32] Speaker C: I mean, I'm. Dude, I would be happy with that. Ashton Genti. I was not for Ashton Genti at number two just because that's. That's high for running back. [01:13:40] Speaker B: It's hard, hard to pick. I. I think you can make that pick at five, though. [01:13:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I think you can too. And we need it. I mean, Nick Chubb's not here anymore. [01:13:49] Speaker B: Guys, so at least for now. [01:13:52] Speaker C: Can you imagine though, if we were able to pair. Pair Ashton Genti and Nick Chubb and get rid of Jerome Ford? [01:13:58] Speaker B: My God. Here's the problem. Stefanski hates running the ball. So even when that's the best thing that we do, he's like, I don't want. I don't want to do that. [01:14:08] Speaker C: Wrong. [01:14:09] Speaker B: We're really good at running the ball. Let's not do that. [01:14:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't. It's not a good idea. [01:14:16] Speaker B: So I guess Travis Hunter is going to be a Jaguar. [01:14:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I would, I would say so. No, they probably wanted a quarterback to know because they've got. Travis Hunter is going to be a Jaguar. Yeah. [01:14:25] Speaker B: Yeah. It feels strange to me. [01:14:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. [01:14:32] Speaker B: Like that they would move to two for. I don't. I don't know. [01:14:39] Speaker C: They must really. They must really think that Trevor Lawrence can elevate this guy. Well, not even that he. That he can elevate Trevor Lawrence. That's what I meant. It was the other way around. Yeah, I, I don't mind boggling that you would give up that much to move up a couple places to get Travis Hunter, to be honest with you. [01:15:02] Speaker B: Well, I mean, look, he became all of a sudden and it was weird because. Because it just like out of nowhere he became like the can't miss guy. And I feel like if you go back three and six months, like that wasn't the case. We all thought he was a great player. Sure, he's an awesome athlete. Great. But I didn't, I didn't get a sense all year long when he was playing that like he was. He was. He was the only blue chipper in the draft, like so. But all of a sudden, overnight, he's become the guy. [01:15:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Wow. This is just wild, man. Anything could happen in the draft. I guess this is why we watch. Yeah, I'm looking, I'm just looking here to see who's available. As far as they're all available, only. [01:15:51] Speaker B: One guy was picked up. [01:15:52] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:15:53] Speaker B: It was just Cam Ward so far. [01:15:56] Speaker C: Mason Graham. Would they take a dt, you think that high? [01:16:00] Speaker B: No, not a five. I mean, they could use offensive line help. They could be looking at a tackle at five. [01:16:07] Speaker C: Dude, I'm telling you, I. I think. I think Jalen Walker might be the guy. I mean, you got to think J. Okay. Is still a question mark. We. He was in the building for. He was in the building workouts, but, like, I don't. I don't know if he's going to actually play. [01:16:24] Speaker B: Why did you say it like that? [01:16:26] Speaker C: Like what? Like, I don't know. [01:16:28] Speaker B: I don't know if he's gonna actually play. [01:16:31] Speaker C: Well because he was there, and he was like, I'm here, guys, but I don't. I don't know if he's gonna play. [01:16:36] Speaker B: He just kind of said it like. [01:16:39] Speaker C: That was not the time for this. [01:16:40] Speaker B: Like it was a joke. I don't know if he's gonna play or not. Come on, man. Make that pick. This is the worst. [01:16:51] Speaker C: Yeah. I hate the first round of the draft. I'll be honest with you guys. This. This is like, my worst nightmare, because now we got to stay on and wait to see who the Browns pick, and we're gonna have to wait through all these full 10 minutes of everybody picking when they know who they're gonna take if they. [01:17:05] Speaker B: If they trade back from 5 to, like, 15. Like, I'm out. [01:17:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. The 5 is as far as we go, guys. We're cutting it off after that. [01:17:11] Speaker A: It. [01:17:12] Speaker C: I got a. I got a kid out there that's having a meltdown because I'm not out there with her. [01:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, that's fine. Travis Hunter is at Jaguar. [01:17:22] Speaker C: Yep. There we go. [01:17:23] Speaker B: So he looks great in that. What is that? Is that fuchsia? [01:17:28] Speaker C: Nice. Good use of color. Hot pink jacket. [01:17:33] Speaker B: Interesting. [01:17:34] Speaker C: He's really dancing. [01:17:37] Speaker B: Man. It's. It's funny. I mean, these guys always show up well dressed, but, like, these guys with the nil stuff, they have, like, real bling now when they show up to the draft. [01:17:45] Speaker C: Well, it goes beyond that. Like, the draft has become such a spectacle that they don't even pay for any of this stuff. Like, half these places are coming to them. Be like, where my stuff on draft night. [01:17:54] Speaker B: Well, and that was always kind of the way it was, but I just feel like that's just probably an outfit just that he owns. He's just like, oh, we're going out tonight. They. I'm gonna throw this on in my gold watch. And. And now I'm a Jacksonville Jaguar. [01:18:06] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't. [01:18:09] Speaker B: He's. He's just really out there. Just. He's skipping Around. [01:18:12] Speaker C: Well, Jacksonville's a bunch of idiots. Do you think they play him on both sides of the ball? [01:18:16] Speaker B: Look, they are going to ruin that guy, I can tell you that much. [01:18:20] Speaker C: Yeah, he's excited and Jacksonville's excited. You know who's not excited is anybody that knows Jacksonville football. He's like, I'm not talking about fans, I'm talking about like other people. [01:18:34] Speaker B: He's like, hopefully they move me to London. [01:18:37] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. That's where that team needs to go. [01:18:43] Speaker B: I mean, I guess we should talk, right? It's not like we're very good. [01:18:47] Speaker C: We have the best fans in the league. [01:18:48] Speaker B: Well, we do have that going for us. Yeah, but we don't. [01:18:52] Speaker C: We are going nowhere. [01:18:53] Speaker B: I'll tell you what, we don't have Travis Hunter. [01:18:56] Speaker C: We don't have Travis Hunter anymore. [01:18:58] Speaker B: We do not have Travis Hunter. [01:18:59] Speaker C: It's funny, everybody that we've had on the show today is like, Travis, everybody. [01:19:02] Speaker B: Has pretty much, pretty much was pretty much resigned to Travis Hunter being the guy and no more. Look, I think he'll be a good player in the NFL. I do. I, I, I am still just apprehensive about the fact that I don't know how you utilize him. I don't know what you do with him. I know what I would do with him, but I don't know that NFL teams are going to be able to figure out what to do with him. And I think it's going to cost him in the long run because he's going to end up being a mediocre receiver, like a, you know, maybe above average type guy as opposed to a top echelon guy. And he'll probably get, you know, burnt a few times playing defense in high lever situations that he probably shouldn't be in. [01:19:52] Speaker C: The Lester, the Lester wears off real fast and get burned a couple times. [01:19:56] Speaker B: Well, and, and for a guy, the two that's going to be playing 17 games, I mean that season is going to wear on him. I mean that was one of the things that I did hear a lot about in, in like draft prep was them talking about just how Colorado had to even manage his workload at practice because he was playing so many snaps during games. So that NFL season is long and it's grueling and these are all big boys now. This is what you say, this isn't the pack 12. [01:20:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Big. I think they're in the big 12. [01:20:30] Speaker B: This isn't the big 12. [01:20:32] Speaker C: It's still not the big 12 though. [01:20:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not the big 12. [01:20:35] Speaker C: Yeah. So Kenny, we got any guests waiting. [01:20:39] Speaker B: For the first time all night? No, no guests are waiting. [01:20:42] Speaker C: All right, well, we should have one here shortly. We'll bring him on when he gets in there. But, yeah, I mean. Oh, the Giants pick is in, by the way. We're gonna wait 15 minutes for this. God, I hate the draft. [01:20:57] Speaker B: I love it. I'm excited. Everything could happen now. [01:21:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm excited, too. Everybody's been all night. It's the consensus was Travis Hunter, but I'll be. I'm with you. I didn't think there was any way you trade this pick when it's the first top. Not only the first, first round pick that you have, as, you know, the GM and head coach of the Browns together, but it's the first, like, top five pick you have. [01:21:24] Speaker B: Well, because here's my thought. [01:21:26] Speaker C: I guess you still have a top five pick. [01:21:28] Speaker B: If I'm Kevin Stefanski. If I'm Kevin Stefanski and I'm like, we gotta do better this year than last year, because I am definitely on the hot seat now. But a guy like Travis Hunter might win you two to three games, and then you'd be like, well, I doubled my win total. You can't fire me now. But. [01:21:48] Speaker C: Handbag last year, you sandbagged. Son of a. [01:21:50] Speaker B: Now they're gonna pick, like, a. An offensive tackle, and it's like they're building for the future that they're never gonna see, you know, it's like building the house you're never gonna live in. [01:22:01] Speaker C: Hey, dad. My dad popped in to say hi. He left a comment and said, hey. [01:22:05] Speaker B: Hey, dad. Well, that's good. Well, I guess we do have a guest. Do we want to bring him on? [01:22:14] Speaker C: Yeah, go ahead and bring him in here. [01:22:16] Speaker B: Do you think he's angry? [01:22:18] Speaker C: I don't know. He might be. He's Angry Bobby. [01:22:21] Speaker B: He's. It's time. Oh, Angry Bobby. [01:22:26] Speaker C: He even signed in as Angry Poppy. [01:22:29] Speaker F: I can't hear you here. [01:22:31] Speaker C: That's okay. It's. Look, we got Angry Bobby from the Brownsbackers of North Jersey here. [01:22:39] Speaker B: Looks like they're at a real party. [01:22:40] Speaker C: Oh, they are. They. I think they had a big turnout. Angry Bobby, can you hear us yet? [01:22:45] Speaker F: Can I go in the bathroom? [01:22:46] Speaker C: You can. That's fine. [01:22:48] Speaker B: Don't show us angry body from a toilet. [01:22:53] Speaker C: Can you hear us? [01:22:57] Speaker F: All right? Are you happy? Are you happy? [01:23:00] Speaker A: You happy? [01:23:02] Speaker B: You're happy? [01:23:07] Speaker C: Abdul Carter to the Giants at number three. [01:23:10] Speaker F: Let me go upstairs. [01:23:14] Speaker C: They have a real party. [01:23:15] Speaker B: Angry Bobby's just roaming. [01:23:18] Speaker C: Angry Bobby's super important. He's like, I gotta get. I gotta walk around. I gotta show you everything. [01:23:22] Speaker B: Gotta go to your office. Angry Bobby. [01:23:27] Speaker C: The quieter up there. That's fine. [01:23:31] Speaker B: We should have sound tested this. [01:23:33] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I'm texting him a question. [01:23:42] Speaker B: This is good radio. Let me do the interview. [01:23:45] Speaker F: I'm going outside now. [01:23:47] Speaker C: He went outside. [01:23:47] Speaker B: There we go. [01:23:49] Speaker C: Angry Bobby, what do you think so far? [01:23:52] Speaker B: What the hell's going on, Angry Bobby? [01:23:54] Speaker F: I have no idea what the hell we're gonna do now. [01:23:56] Speaker B: No idea. [01:23:57] Speaker C: Who do you want at number five? [01:24:01] Speaker F: Nathan Graham? [01:24:02] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:24:04] Speaker B: Were you. Were you resigned to the fact that Travis Hunter was the picket, too? [01:24:08] Speaker F: Well, I'll tell you what. We had a contest to pick who. The Browns are going to pick everybody. There's two entries left. Abdul Carter, but that's out now because he just got drafted by the Giants. [01:24:22] Speaker B: Be gone. [01:24:22] Speaker F: The door Sanders is now the only one left. [01:24:26] Speaker B: That's it. [01:24:27] Speaker C: Taking Shador Sanders at five is a lot better than taking him at two. [01:24:31] Speaker B: Is it? [01:24:32] Speaker A: No, I don't. [01:24:32] Speaker F: I don't want him at five years. [01:24:33] Speaker D: Remember? [01:24:34] Speaker F: I. I don't want your door Sanders. I'll take him in the second round. [01:24:37] Speaker B: Maybe. [01:24:38] Speaker C: He might fall there. [01:24:41] Speaker F: You think he's gonna fall there? [01:24:43] Speaker C: I think he falls. [01:24:44] Speaker F: I couldn't hear you guys downstairs. [01:24:47] Speaker C: I think Shador Sanders goes to mid to late first round is my prediction on him. [01:24:52] Speaker F: So who's gonna. Who are we gonna pick? [01:24:53] Speaker C: Five? I just. My. My scenario right now. I was just kind of looking at best available and who's up there and what the Browns need. I. I'm thinking Jalen Walker. [01:25:07] Speaker D: Who? [01:25:07] Speaker C: Jalen Walker from Georgia, Outside linebacker. [01:25:11] Speaker F: All right. [01:25:12] Speaker C: All right. [01:25:13] Speaker F: I don't know. I. I take basic gram. [01:25:16] Speaker B: I think they're gonna trade back again. [01:25:18] Speaker C: Oh, God. [01:25:21] Speaker B: I think they're just gonna keep acquiring picks. [01:25:23] Speaker C: I think they know they're gonna trade back again. [01:25:25] Speaker B: I think they know this year is shot. I think they're. They're preparing for next year. [01:25:29] Speaker F: I'm afraid they're gonna trade back again. [01:25:31] Speaker C: I hope not. Bobby, listen, there's. It sounds like there's a big party going on where you're at. How many people showed up for the watch party? [01:25:38] Speaker F: We had about 25. [01:25:41] Speaker C: Nice, nice, nice. That's a good number. [01:25:43] Speaker F: Pretty. I'm pretty happy with that. [01:25:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Is everybody looking at you? Just as soon as they're just. Just waiting there, like if. If Bobby gets angry, we get. We all get angry. [01:25:56] Speaker F: Well, I just don't want to miss the pick. What pick are we on? [01:25:59] Speaker C: Now we're on number four. [01:26:01] Speaker B: There's still an interview in Abdul Carter. [01:26:03] Speaker C: Yeah, the pick is in for the. For the Patriots, though. So listen, Bobby, we can let you go so you can get back in there and watch it. It's. It's coming up. We're about to be on the clock, so we'll let you get back in there. We just wanted to check in with you, and we were gonna see how you felt about the pick, but we don't have a pick yet, so. [01:26:19] Speaker F: And K Dog was on a long time there from the freaking draft. [01:26:24] Speaker C: Well, you know, he got to talking, and you know how that goes. [01:26:28] Speaker B: How's come he doesn't know any Journey songs? [01:26:30] Speaker F: What's that? [01:26:31] Speaker B: How's come he doesn't know any Journey songs? [01:26:34] Speaker C: I don't know. I'm not gonna say that's a failure as a father, but Don't Stop Believing. [01:26:41] Speaker F: That's the only song I know. [01:26:43] Speaker C: Oh, no. [01:26:44] Speaker B: Angry Bobby doesn't know Journey either. [01:26:46] Speaker F: Oh, sure. I'm a cure guy, man. I like the cure. [01:26:53] Speaker C: Okay, okay, okay. [01:26:54] Speaker E: Whatever. [01:26:55] Speaker C: Fair enough. All right, Bobby. Well, text me. Text me and let me know how you feel about the pick when they make it. [01:27:03] Speaker F: I will. The hotline's still open, right? [01:27:09] Speaker C: 3. Put the number up, Kenny. 330-227-880. So call in, give us your hot takes. Let us know how you feel about the pick when it gets made. If we get it quick enough, we might throw it on the air before we sign off here, so. [01:27:22] Speaker F: All right. See you guys. [01:27:24] Speaker C: Thanks. Appreciate it. [01:27:26] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:27:32] Speaker C: You should just. We should have just let it roam with him. [01:27:35] Speaker B: I was thinking about it. I can bring it back. [01:27:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that was. That was another club that. We are the official podcast of another Brownsbackers chapter. We are the official podcast of so. [01:27:49] Speaker B: Angry Bobby up in North Jersey. [01:27:52] Speaker C: I. I did. I wasn't sure what we were gonna get this late into the draft party, you know? [01:27:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, the good news is, is that he was still able to talk. He was. He was good. So. [01:28:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I would have liked it. [01:28:04] Speaker B: He wasn't even that angry yet. [01:28:06] Speaker C: No, there's not much to be angry about yet. We only went back three spots. We're still in the top five. We got a haul, we got a hole. That's what they say. Who are they? [01:28:17] Speaker B: I don't know everybody. [01:28:19] Speaker C: Yeah, but we did get a haul, so my money right now is we're between Armand Membu, I think, or Membao or Jalen Walker. That's. That's who. I think we're gonna. I think one of them ends up on the Browns. I wouldn't be surprised with Genti, but I don't know if they're gonna. They're gonna take him at 5. [01:28:39] Speaker B: I did receive a note that said, I think that might be the most Cleveland Browns thing I've ever watched. That is from a young Browns fan. [01:28:48] Speaker C: What, that interview? [01:28:50] Speaker B: No, just the fact that we. We traded back. Didn't get Travis Hutter too. Yeah. Yeah. Look again. I think. I think NFL teams are going to struggle. Jacksonville now, I guess. I think they're going to struggle trying to figure out what to do with him. So as good of a. Good of an athlete as he is, as good of a head as on his shoulders, I. I fear for what's in store for that young man because he probably deserves better than he's gonna get. [01:29:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I agree, Kevin. Speaking of K Dog as which, here, here's a funny story for you. So we're setting up our guests for the show, right? And in case you didn't know, I mentioned both of them are from the Brownsbackers of North Jersey. Angry Bobby is Kevin's dad. I. I'm texting with Angry Bobby to set up, you know, his, his appearance on the show, and he's like, well, Kevin's gonna be at the stadium. You know, maybe you could get him on to talk about the draft party and stuff. I'm like, yeah, this is a good idea. Send me his number. He sends me his contact card. K Dog. [01:29:57] Speaker B: That's how he's in his phone. [01:29:58] Speaker C: Yeah, he's in his dad's phone as K Dog. So I, I thought that was pretty funny. But yeah, Kevin just texted me and he said he thinks it's gonna be Genti now. [01:30:08] Speaker B: God, I hope so. Dude, if it's Genti, I'm gonna. [01:30:14] Speaker C: Listen, we had something to be full chub about for all these, these last. [01:30:17] Speaker B: Few years, and now we full masked. [01:30:20] Speaker C: Yeah, we're gonna have to make new shirts. Yeah, I keep them the same full chub. [01:30:26] Speaker B: So you can't tackle me. It's tackle football and get the guy you can't tackle. [01:30:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So we got Cam Ward, we got Travis Hunter going second, we gotta Abdul Carter going third. Listen, early on in the draft process, I thought Abdul Carter was like the guy. That's who I wanted. I was like, he's, he's, he's a for sure shoe in talent at defensive end. You put him opposite of Miles Garrett and they're going to wreak Havoc. As this whole process has dragged on, he's refused to talk to anybody outside of the top five, which teams can trade at any time. And you refuse to talk to anybody out of the top five. He's refused that. He, he. You know, there's still a lingering foot issue. He hasn't worked out for anybody, hasn't done anything. I'm starting to think like, not necessarily full bust, but I'm thinking more like he might be Will Campbell, clowny type. Like he. All this hype and then he comes out and he's just like average to good, not great. [01:31:26] Speaker B: Patriots select Will Campbell. [01:31:29] Speaker C: Will Campbell. So tackle. [01:31:32] Speaker B: Where LS lsu? [01:31:34] Speaker C: Yeah, lsu. Offensive tackle, lsu. So that's one of the offensive tackles off the board. The, the one that's rated as the highest by the draft guys is, is Armand member, however you say his name from Missouri. So top OT is still on the board. Like I said, Jalen Walker's still on the board. Genti's still on the board. [01:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah, the Browns are on the clock. [01:32:00] Speaker C: Yeah, it's happening. This could go any, any which direction, right? [01:32:03] Speaker B: Any number of ways. Oh gosh, I hope it's the Aston. Genti. I will be so stoked. I will get an Ashton Genti jersey tomorrow. Yeah, so with that probably won't. They don't make him in big guy size. [01:32:14] Speaker C: Yeah, they don't make jerseys in big guy size. You're losing weight though. You're 35 pounds down. [01:32:17] Speaker B: I know, but like I won't be able to wear it for a while at least. Just put it in the. [01:32:23] Speaker C: Yeah, we mentioned you were £600. Now you're down to 565. So quite £600. Almost 595. I'm sorry. But yeah, so I mean with, with this situation where we're at now. So who do you think they're targeting with 33 and now that we have a second, a second second round draft pick. [01:32:47] Speaker B: Well, didn't we get rid of a second round draft pick? What number did we lose? [01:32:51] Speaker C: No, we lost. I thought it was like a fifth this year or six this year or something like that. [01:32:57] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on. [01:32:58] Speaker C: Pull up the trade again. I think we have two second round draft picks now. [01:33:05] Speaker B: Oh, we gave up a fourth round, a six rounder. Okay. [01:33:07] Speaker C: Yeah. So we have two second round draft picks now. I think the probability that they take something else here is very high because now they have two second round draft picks to trade up back into the first round. [01:33:18] Speaker B: We have 33 and 36. They got a lot of Ammunition right now. [01:33:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [01:33:31] Speaker B: This is good. [01:33:33] Speaker C: Yeah, there's a lot of dead air here. We're just kind of in shock. We don't know what to say right now. [01:33:38] Speaker B: Well, the Browns are on the clock. [01:33:39] Speaker C: Here's 7, 18 left, 7, 11 left. [01:33:42] Speaker E: Here's. [01:33:43] Speaker B: Here's what I can tell. [01:33:43] Speaker C: I don't know how that math works, but that's what my. My TV just said. [01:33:46] Speaker B: Here's. Here's what I can tell you. I don't know a lot, but I do know this. The Browns need a lot of help. And the pick is in. And the Browns brass is slapping hands. They are excited about. [01:34:00] Speaker C: Mine's still showing a countdown 7. [01:34:02] Speaker B: They're excited about whatever happened. [01:34:04] Speaker C: Oh, there it is. Yeah, mine just came through, too. [01:34:07] Speaker B: Yeah, the Browns pick is in. So any second now, we will know who the Browns pick. But look, let's be honest. The Browns need a lot of help. They were bad last year. They're a long way from being good. [01:34:19] Speaker C: The Browns need a quarter. The Browns need a quarterback. They need offensive linemen. They need wide receivers. They need defensive tackles. They need linebackers. [01:34:25] Speaker B: They need three starters out of the next three picks. [01:34:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:28] Speaker B: I mean, that's the only way you can change a franchise in a year. Unless you get again, like, a generational talent at quarterback. You replace three starters with studs. Starting to talk. [01:34:42] Speaker C: I listen. My gut is telling me that now that we're here, and because it's Cleveland, they're going with Shador Sanders right here. [01:34:53] Speaker B: Oh, boy. Look, I don't hate the idea. [01:34:58] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, not my. Not my favorite idea. I gave you my. My dream scenario, and we're kind of there right now, but we're the Browns. [01:35:07] Speaker B: We are the Browns. We got a haul. [01:35:09] Speaker C: Yeah, we got a haul. We're not going to do anything with it, but we got a haul. [01:35:14] Speaker B: I'm just glad that they made a pick because it's happening. I'm pretty hungry, and I need to go eat dinner soon. [01:35:19] Speaker C: Yeah, we're gonna just. Just for the audience out there, we're not gonna keep this too long. We're gonna. The pick's gonna be made. We're gonna talk about it for probably, I guess, 10 minutes or so, another hour or two. No. And we're gonna get out of here. Our goal is not to keep you here all night. For those of you that are stick, it's a big deal that the Browns have a pick in the. It was a top two pick. Now a top five pick. You know, we haven't experienced this In a while. It's weird. And now we no longer have a sexual predator as our quarterback, so there's that. [01:35:53] Speaker B: I'm getting a lot of hate text messages. [01:35:57] Speaker C: Why? [01:36:01] Speaker B: I don't know. Are they going with Mason Graham? [01:36:06] Speaker C: If they go with Mason Graham, that'll. That'll turn me down silent. [01:36:19] Speaker B: The Browns are going. Mason Graham, per sources. [01:36:25] Speaker C: I hope not. His pick's still not it. I mean, it's in, but it's still not announced yet, so I hope it's in. [01:36:30] Speaker B: That's happening. Mason Graham's the guy. Why? Because he's the guy. That's the guy they're going with. The Browns like to keep things as anti climactic as possible. [01:36:44] Speaker C: Oh, good Lord, please. What did I just say two minutes ago? They're the Browns. They could still mess this up. [01:36:53] Speaker B: There. There he is. Mason Graham's the guy. Well, I mean, you asked. Would they go defensive lineman at five? Here we are. I guess he's the guy. Mason Graham, ladies and gentlemen. [01:37:16] Speaker C: Mason Graham. Mason Graham. Listen, it's not that, like, I hate Mason Graham, it's just that. But with the guys out there right now, that's who we went with. This just feels like the most Browns thing that I could possibly think of. [01:37:35] Speaker B: Look, here's. Here's what this signals to me. [01:37:38] Speaker C: This is a defensive tackle that just went number five. [01:37:41] Speaker B: Here's what this signals to me. They know this year is shot. They are stocking up developmental picks. They're going to try and load this team for the next two to three years. That this year is not going to be an exciting year. Browns football, they're not expecting to win. They're trying to get plug gaps here now. And so I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of interior linemen here early in this draft. I don't think you're going to see a ton of, like, playmaking guys, big name guys. They're going to have to pick a quarterback at some point still. But I think they. This signals the reality of where this. [01:38:18] Speaker C: Team is and the comments coming in right now. Let me just read the last three. I love his tape, but didn't want Mason Graham here. Wanted the Mizzou offensive tackle. Browns would go defensive tackle at number five. [01:38:32] Speaker B: The bone man is. The bone man has chimed in. He's not mad. [01:38:37] Speaker C: He's not mad. [01:38:39] Speaker B: I'm not mad, is the quote. [01:38:43] Speaker C: Thank you. Bone ever stoic. He just. No elaboration. [01:38:51] Speaker B: You know what I think is going to happen? [01:38:53] Speaker C: What? [01:38:54] Speaker B: We've got two first round picks next year. We're going all in on Arch Manning. That's the. That's the game plan. [01:39:01] Speaker C: Is that it? No matter where we end up in the draft, we're like, no, we are number one. [01:39:04] Speaker B: I think that's the game plan. Next year is the splash year. This year they're going to fill as many gaps as they can with. With draft capital they've got acquired. And then next year you make your splash and you hope to change the franchise forever. [01:39:17] Speaker C: It's just wild to me that that's the plan, because with this, I said it's the plan. [01:39:22] Speaker B: So it is the plan. [01:39:23] Speaker C: 3 and 14 this year. You really think you go 3 and 14 again, you're all going to be here. [01:39:28] Speaker B: Well, that's. It's going to be a rude awakening for Barry and company. Yeah. [01:39:36] Speaker C: I just. [01:39:37] Speaker B: I hate this Browns draft cat, by the way. [01:39:40] Speaker C: Well, that's because it's got the dog on it. [01:39:42] Speaker B: Darth Vader dog on it. [01:39:43] Speaker C: Yeah, you hate the dog. It should have river. [01:39:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a cool looking dog. [01:39:47] Speaker C: Yeah. I do like the pin that they put on it, though. The guitar pin's pretty cool. [01:39:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, great. What's Bill Bird doing there? [01:39:55] Speaker C: You're so mad about the hat. [01:39:58] Speaker B: I'm more mad about the hat than I am about the pick. [01:40:02] Speaker C: I just. Here's. Here's the deal. This is exactly how I just. I. I figured I would feel this way at some point tonight. I am just so let down you would feel bad. [01:40:16] Speaker B: Look, Mason Graham's gonna be fine. He's gonna be. He's gonna be a good player. He'll probably. He'll be a good player for the Browns for the next eight to 10 years, probably. [01:40:23] Speaker C: Here's the. Here's the problem, though, is, is to your point, we needed starters right now. That's fair. That's a fair assessment. [01:40:29] Speaker A: It. [01:40:29] Speaker C: Mason Graham's probably a starter right now. The problem with that is defensive tackle was not one of our top priorities. [01:40:38] Speaker B: Well, maybe they're more worried about. [01:40:41] Speaker C: I mean, what this signals to me because I was talking about Jalen Walker, is that they are far more confident than they're letting on that J. [01:40:49] Speaker B: Okay. [01:40:50] Speaker C: Is going to be playing next year. [01:40:54] Speaker B: Yeah, look, I think a lot of that's been hush hush just out of disrespect for him. I think he'll. He'll probably be fine. I think if it was truly a career ending type thing, I think we would have heard about it by now. I think that they're pretty confident that he'll be Back. The question is just, I mean he's, I don't. He's lost a lot of time and he's going to have to really rehab and build his strength and speed back up and just harder to do as you get older. But yeah, look, here's, here's what I will say about Mason Graham from Michigan. He's a Cleveland Brown now. So all of our Ohio State Die Hards, like you can miss me with the whole Michigan everything, like it's a different level. You're in the NFL now. It doesn't matter where you went to school. But I'm, I'm certain that that will be a talking point on a number of shows going forward for the next several weeks is, oh, we gotta like this Michigan guy. Let's just, let's just drop that now. He's a Cleveland Brown. [01:41:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I'm kind of with you. As soon as, as much as I talk bad about Tom Brady, he was never a Cleveland Brown. Once they get to the NFL, like it doesn't matter where you went to college, to be honest with you, like. [01:42:08] Speaker B: Ashton genti's gone at 6. [01:42:12] Speaker C: I'm surprised by that. I thought. And just so we're keeping track here, the Shador Sanders plummet has officially started. But I would have thought that that was a place where Shador Sanders would have ended up is, is Las Vegas. [01:42:28] Speaker B: But can I just tell you though that this combination of picks right here, 5 and 6, Mason Graham, Ashton Genti, this is one of those moves that unless Mason Graham is a stud DT and his entire career and Ashton Genty like has some injury issues or something. Like Ashton Genti could very easily run for 1800 yards this year and like that's a pick that's going to look bad for a long time if Ashton Genti is a stud in the NFL. [01:42:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:59] Speaker B: That you're going, geez, we could have had a guy that was a 1500 yard back that scores 12 touchdowns a year and instead we went with some guy from Michigan that played six games. [01:43:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Again, I just, I just expected to feel this way. I, I'll just keep going back to it. Not that the Graham's terrible. It's just more the fact that there's so all these guys available right now and the Browns went defensive tackle at number five. [01:43:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Feels. Feels kind of bad. [01:43:27] Speaker C: So the first domino has fallen of we got a haul. Doesn't mean we know what to do with it. [01:43:34] Speaker B: Does it feel a little like Jed Wilsey? [01:43:37] Speaker C: Yes, it does. It feels like the year when they Got what was the cornerback that was terrible. And then they had like three, three picks in the top 35. It was just like right now. And then they got two guys that didn't pan out and one guy that was, that was good. Yeah, it was the corner, you know, I'm talking about the cornerback that was big that we got in the top 10. He was so good. Nobody remembers his name. [01:44:05] Speaker B: I don't remember. I don't know. It just, it's just hard. Right. The interior, interior lineman. Offense or defense is never a sexy pick. They're guys that you need. They're hard to get excited. Justin Gilbert, they're hard to get. Yeah, he was good. They're hard to get excited about when, when you're looking at the guys around him being Travis Hunter, Ashton Genty, Abdul Carter, you're looking at guys that are going to be absolute stud playmakers on Sunday. And then here's a guy that's job basically is to muck up the middle of the field. Yeah. So it's just, it's hard especially for the casual fan to get excited about that. Like there's not a lot of people that are going to be going to get a Mason Graham jersey tomorrow that I would have gotten Ash Genty jersey. [01:45:01] Speaker C: You're not, you're not going to do that. [01:45:03] Speaker B: But yeah, I just, my, my concern is like, where does this, where does this pick leave us three years from now and we don't know, right. Maybe, maybe Mason Grah becomes the best defensive tackle. Maybe, maybe he's Aaron Donald. [01:45:20] Speaker C: Maybe. [01:45:23] Speaker B: Maybe he's the greatest thing we've ever seen. [01:45:26] Speaker C: He better show. [01:45:27] Speaker B: But in three years, if Abdul Carter is a guy that has 14, 15 sacks a year and if Ashton Genti's got almost 4,000 yards to his name and Travis Hunter turns into a game changing NFL once in a lifetime generational talent. People are, you're gonna second guess this for the rest of your life as a Browns fan going, that's the guy we picked when these guys were available. [01:45:52] Speaker C: Yeah, unfortunately, I just, I've been a Browns fan long enough that I know that that's what's going to happen. [01:45:58] Speaker B: That's exactly what I was expecting to happen. It's just something that would not excite anyone. [01:46:03] Speaker C: Yeah, Kenny, do we have anything on the hot take hotline? We get anything in? No, not yet. Angry Bobby was. It was. I think he was ready to call, but I think he also is probably forgetting where his phone is right now. Angry Bobby, we love you. Where's. [01:46:26] Speaker B: Where's Timmy Angry Bobby's other son. [01:46:29] Speaker C: He's running their social media right now. He's actually commenting online. Yeah, but I just. Let me just remind everybody again to call the hot take hotline number there. 330-227-8080. We're getting ready to sign off here. There's not really much to talk about. I mean, if it would have been a bigger name, we would have had a lot to talk about as Mason Graham. He's a defensive tackle. He stops the run. Good job. [01:46:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I think the hope is for a lot of us that maybe they'll move back into the fifth round and make something sexy happen here. Did I say fifth round? Move back into the first round. [01:47:03] Speaker C: I would, I'd be so happy if they got back into the fifth round. [01:47:06] Speaker B: I don't even know what I'm saying anymore. This pick, honestly kind of feels like the way the Brown season went last year. [01:47:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, I was so excited. [01:47:14] Speaker B: I'm excited to like Stinker. Stinker. Look, and I don't even hate the amazing Graham pick. Right? Like, I'm not trying to like shit on Mason Graham. I'm sure he's a great kid. I'm sure he's going to play very hard for the Cleveland Browns and I'm sure that he'll do well in his position. It's just again, it's hard to get overly excited about an interior lineman. [01:47:37] Speaker C: We waited 4, 5, 6 years without a first round draft pick to get a DT at number 5 to go. [01:47:43] Speaker B: Mason Graham to get a guy that most people are not going to have any idea even is on the field. [01:47:49] Speaker C: Right. [01:47:50] Speaker B: So, yeah, so. All right, look, here's the thing. We got Mason Grant. The draft continues. [01:47:58] Speaker C: Hang on just one second. Remember to call the hot take hotline. 330-227-8080-330227-78080. Yeah, call the hot take hotline. Leave your hot takes. Let us know what you think about the draft pick and be sure to check out our [email protected] Backslash shop. [01:48:14] Speaker B: Backslash shop. [01:48:16] Speaker C: Now, Kenny, what were you saying? [01:48:18] Speaker B: Oh, I was just saying I was kind of setting the stage for rest of the year, Right. So obviously we've been gone for a little while. We've been season mode, getting things ready to go for next year's new sponsorships and things obviously for our giveaways, which we're excited about. So working on a bunch of new things for this year. Can't wait for the season to get started, you know, we'll likely resume more regular coverage probably once like training camp commences there late July as we head into the preseason. And so we're looking forward to that. We'll be here and there occasionally over the next couple of months here until the Browns finally get things moving. I know we have a golf outing or two that will be sponsoring and at. So we'll be around to do some other shows here and there between now and the time the season starts. But in the meantime, check out our socials and learn more about the giveaways. And look, we'll just keep an eye on what the Browns continue to do here and get ready for another year because there's a few things that are inevitable in life, death, taxes, and the Browns screwing everything up. [01:49:27] Speaker C: That's fair. That's fair. And don't forget to check us out on social media. Tapping media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at the tapping media and Burning over Sportscast. That's this podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, tick tock and YouTube at burning for Sportscast and on X at Burning River Pod, you find our podcast, Reverb podcast. I'm talking Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube Music, Amazon, Amazon Music, Stitcher, Pandora Heart radio podcast, Castro. Good pods and so many more good pods where we are number one ranked football podcast. Number one. [01:49:55] Speaker B: Number one. Number one membal. Just went. [01:49:58] Speaker C: Yeah. Would have been nice to have him. I would have been more excited about an offensive tackle. [01:50:02] Speaker B: 6, 4, 3, 32. That's a big, big, big, big boy. [01:50:07] Speaker C: Yeah, I would have been way more excited about that. [01:50:10] Speaker B: Yeah, agreed. [01:50:13] Speaker C: But, Kenny, anything before we sign off here? [01:50:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So look, I think we have to just wrap things up. We had kind of a lukewarm draft. I think it's time for your lukewarm take. [01:50:27] Speaker C: This was like, before you get started. This is just like. It was literally brown season. Like, I was so excited. I was ready to go. We got a haul, then we got a haul and I was even more excited. I was like, dust all the possibilities. Yeah, number five. [01:50:43] Speaker B: Anyway, it's time for some. Some semi hot takes. So semi, semi rigid quarter chub takes. [01:50:51] Speaker C: What do you got for us? [01:50:52] Speaker B: So this doesn't have to be necessarily about football. This could be just. Just anything. Do you want me to go first or do you got something? [01:51:01] Speaker C: No, you go first. [01:51:02] Speaker B: All right. Here's my lukewarm take. Watched Wicked recently. [01:51:09] Speaker C: I knew this was coming. [01:51:12] Speaker B: I don't. I don't get it. Look, this thing was like critically acclaimed to the nth degree. People love Wicked. People Love the, the Broadway version of it and the music that goes along with it. This was, look, the, the staging and the scenery and everything was very well done. There were a ton of really tremendous actors and singers and voice talent in this production. I just didn't get it. I've never seen, I'd never seen or heard. I always stayed away from it because I was waiting for like that moment, like when the movie came out and thought I would fall in love with it. Look, I'm a big musicals guy. I love Mamma Mia. I love Rent, I love Greece, Jesus Christ Superstar. I mean, I. The greatest showman was the greatest showman. Like, like, I don't have a lot of songs saved in like my apple music. That's the kind of stuff that I have. I love show tunes. You're a weird dude. I love musicals, man. So, like, if there was anybody that was gonna be like super turned for this, like, I was. I couldn't wait. And we had been putting off, putting off because it was long. It's like a two and a half hour production and so we've been putting it off. We finally just rented it on streaming and I was so excited and so looking forward forward to it. And much like this draft left me very much deflated. I just don't get it. Like the pacing of everything. It felt like all the songs, like, as they were building, building, building would kind of cut off like right when they got good or exciting and then just be filled with like random dialogue. And it just was like just one very anti climactic, poorly put together story. I felt like I just. There wasn't, there wasn't anything redeemably good about it that I was like, yeah, I get it. Like I, I'm having a hard time understanding the love affair with Wicked up until. And I can't think of her name, Elvira, the girl that played the witch. I mean, she hits that very tremendous note at the very end of, of the. The movie or whatever. [01:53:28] Speaker C: And your favorite part is when it was over. [01:53:30] Speaker B: That's your. That's like. That was, that was the moment you were waiting for, but it just was so long and such a slog to get there. That just, it just was very, very odd and left me just wondering why people love this thing so much. And so I guess that's. That's my, my hot take, lukewarm take is. I just don't get Wicked. [01:53:58] Speaker C: That was a long way to go. Your light, your review, like the movie was long and winding down the yellow. [01:54:05] Speaker B: Brick road, my friend. [01:54:06] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I mean, I, I, it's pretty lukewarm because. Not that I love Wicked. I think Wicked was pretty good. But I mean, you know, different strokes for different folks. He just didn't like it. It. That's fair. You want my lukewarm take? [01:54:25] Speaker B: Yeah. What'd you get? [01:54:28] Speaker C: There's a lot of kids music. I'm talking, like, toddler music out there that just absolutely fucking slaps. [01:54:34] Speaker B: This is a lukewarm take. This is actually pretty hot. [01:54:37] Speaker C: No, man, there's some stuff out there that slaps. My daughter's, like, getting into, like, hardcore. She listens like, Daniel Tiger and, like, Bluey and, like, all this other stuff. As far as music, like, some of this stuff slaps, man, I could listen to this all day. [01:54:50] Speaker B: Ms. Rachel is, like, the soundtrack to my life. [01:54:53] Speaker C: Yeah, we know. We, we had a lot of Ms. Rachel early on, but, but my daughter's getting more into, like, I said, like, Bluey and Daniel Tiger are the big ones right now. Daniel Tiger. If you haven't watched it, all the episodes are like, you know, they're only like 15 minutes long, and they, they make up these songs for them that are a minute long and they play them, like, six times throughout the episode. When you're watching the episode, it's terrible. But when you're listening to these things in the car, they get really catchy. So I was just, I, I thought about it because on the way home from daycare today, me and my daughter were just, just jamming out to Daniel Tiger. [01:55:26] Speaker B: So, I mean, we have all of the Ms. Rachel songs memorized. Paw Patrol is also big in our house. We get the, you know, Paw Patrol, Paw Patrol. Be there on the double. I mean, we rock when that comes on. [01:55:43] Speaker C: Yeah. This is a musical guy you're talking. [01:55:45] Speaker B: To so, so much so that, like, sometimes at work, people will be like, you know, thanks for your help. Like, you really saved the day. And I'm like, paw patrol is on a roll. And I just busted the song, so. No, I get it. I get where you're coming from. I have very, very relatable lukewarm take. [01:56:01] Speaker C: I hear people all the time talk about how I can't stand, like, toddler, like, kid music. No, it's not bad. You just gotta embrace it. You gotta enjoy it, man. [01:56:10] Speaker B: You just gotta just jump in and just accept it. Some of Ms. Rachel's collabs with, like, like, oh, gosh, what's the guy? That pentatonix and stuff, like, the dude in the ABCs. Like, really good. Really well done. [01:56:22] Speaker C: What's her main. What's her like? Real big one that I'm thinking about the happy one. Do you want to talk about. [01:56:36] Speaker B: Happy? [01:56:39] Speaker C: See. [01:56:41] Speaker B: On the tip of my tongue. Yes, I know what you're talking about. [01:56:46] Speaker C: Hang on, hang on. I'm getting there. [01:56:48] Speaker B: There's so many good ones. [01:56:50] Speaker C: I'm so happy. [01:56:51] Speaker B: I'm so happy. So happy. [01:56:55] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:56:57] Speaker B: Slip slap. Yeah. [01:57:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:57:01] Speaker B: See, Mr. Sun. Sun. [01:57:03] Speaker C: Mr. Don't get me started. We're supposed to be signing off right now. [01:57:07] Speaker B: A lot of good stuff. All right. Anyways. Mace. Mace. Ladies and gentlemen, Mason Graham. For the first time is Cleveland Brown. [01:57:16] Speaker C: Mason Graham. Don't be. [01:57:18] Speaker B: Don't be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem. [01:57:22] Speaker C: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning river. Sports. [01:57:27] Speaker F: Burning river. [01:57:28] Speaker C: Ouch. [01:57:29] Speaker B: Sportscast. Burning river. [01:57:32] Speaker C: Follow us to win a jersey and a plaque. [01:57:34] Speaker B: Yeah, do that. Do that and stuff. Good night, Cleveland. [01:57:40] Speaker C: Good.

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