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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam, It's time. Time for another very special live edition of the Burning River Sportscast.
Bears 31, Browns 3.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: Very disappointing edition of the Burning River Sportscast. I just, really just would love to come on here and be excited and happy and celebrate a win.
We won't get one of those till next year, that's for sure.
[00:01:17] Speaker A: No, no more wins this year. That's not happening.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: Yeah, joke disguised as a dumpster fire. That's.
Yep, that's accurate. Show's over.
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And then so today on on the show this week you look forward to we got a recap of today's Week 15 loss to the Bears.
Closer look at the offense, defense and special teams because not a single facet of the game looked good today. Like literally none.
Our nominees for dog of the week. I know at this point that's kind of like after a game like this you really don't want to do that, but we're gonna do it anyways.
We're gonna have some QB talk because we're already hearing how Shador Sanders, the worst quarterback of all time, on social media. You knew that was coming.
And then coaching talk, because once again, Bubba and Kevin proved why they should be nowhere near an NFL franchise.
And I'm sure there's gonna be more along the way. So let's get things started by reminding everyone to call the burger sportscast hot take hotline.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: Yeah, call that hot take hotline.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: Call the hot take hotline. We want your hot takes. Kenny's gonna be sad and depressed the entire episode, so if you're not into that type of thing, you better get the hell off the show.
But Jamie, Dewey, all of our friends out there, make sure you guys are calling into the hot take hotline. Having you on here live is great, but we also want to be able to put your hot takes on the air and talk about them. So.
[00:04:00] Speaker A: Or at least join live and. And call in and tell us there.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: Are call ins if you. If you hit the link up there.
[00:04:06] Speaker A: Link in the chat.
[00:04:07] Speaker B: Yeah, you could call in. So don't forget about that.
And actually, Kenny, fill some airtime. I'll go ahead and copy this over to our Facebook as well.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I will. The Browns are really bad.
I.
There's not a whole lot to say after a game like today.
Today was about as bad as it gets. I mean, I think.
I think this was kind of expected. Obviously, Chicago is a good football team. The Browns are not.
So this kind of went the way we thought it would. It was just probably way more ugly than it had to be.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we all picked them to lose, obviously.
[00:04:48] Speaker A: Well, I picked him to win, but.
[00:04:50] Speaker B: Well, it was out of necessity. Like, don't get me wrong, I know I like to make fun of you because you lose king of the north so goddamn always, but, you know, I do understand that as we get late in the season, you're already 20 games behind everybody. You have to start picking against us. So here we are. You're picking the Browns, and what everybody knows is going to be a beat down. So.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I really thought at least with the weather that this game would be tighter.
I didn't expect it to be the absolute blowout that it was.
I mean, it was like a scrimmage for Chicago. So.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
And I did. I did post that over to our Facebook. So just once again, call in. Leave your hot takes on hot take hotline.
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[00:05:37] Speaker B: Flash that number again. 330227, 80, 81, 81. Call now. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. But yes, it was. It was bad. It was really bad. It was hard to watch.
And honestly, you could have watched this like basically three minutes in. And from that point on, you just already got the sense like, this is not going to be a good day because the, the Bears came out ready to play. The Browns, as always, came out flat.
And then they, they scored 14 points pretty quick. And, and I think before, literally before anything happens in our group chat, we texted and we're like, special teams, special teams, special teams. We said it three times. And so that's, that's where I'm starting this week, is special teams. After the last few weeks, you know, everyone calling for his job, you think Bubba Ventrone would finally make some sort of adjustment, get things right, do something good with the special teams, make a statement?
No, absolutely not. Opening kickoff, ran back 52 yards past midfield.
[00:06:38] Speaker A: It's funny because every week, just as those things happen, as the game unfolds, I get multiple texts that are just like, he can't make it another week. Right. I mean, they got to do something this week. Right?
[00:06:49] Speaker B: Always makes it another.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: He always makes it another week.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah, there's no accountability on this team, which we'll get to. We'll talk more about that later. But there's no accountability. So of course he's here. After that, Chicago, we basically let their, their gunners just go free and then they down one at the one. And then Kevin Stefanski decided he wanted to get in on this and he's like, I'm a challenge this.
The dude is, is one of the stingiest guys I've ever seen with challenges. I can't count the number of times where I'm like, that needs challenge and he doesn't challenge it. And we challenge this. So basically you're sitting a minute and a half, two minutes into the game, and we're down to timeout. The ball's at the half yard line. So it was a perfect time for.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: A timeout too, right, because your offense had been sitting, watching the special teams in the defense, and so they're cold and we're probably on the sideline just you throwing a ball around, getting ready and getting warmed up. And as soon as they're about to take this, like, let's take a time.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: Out, Just, just a, just a coaching clinic. By. By Kevin Stefanski on this one. And I'm just not sure. We're not talking about.
[00:07:50] Speaker A: I'm just not even sure what he saw because it was pretty clear there was a. There was a. He almost touched it, I guess when he was laying in the end zone. But frankly, right after that a player from Cleveland touched the ball. So I was like, this could almost go the. The other way, really po.
Where it's just a turnover because I don't know what that guy was doing that came in and slapped the ball away afterward after Minnesota had touched it.
[00:08:15] Speaker B: So Minnesota. We were playing Minnesota or Chicago.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I'm watching the Minnesota game right now.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah. So I mean. And that's just. Okay, we'll get back to Kevin Stefanski because he's terrible too. But we're talking about the special teams above Ventrone right now. So those are the first two. And then there was an 18 yard punt return that we gave up. Decent, decent punt. And then 18 yard punt return wiped it out completely. They ran that pack back past midfield. So all of those happened in like the first, I don't know, six minutes.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: It was just, it was just again a folly of errors on the special teams.
At one point Larva Dane should have air caught the ball and just said he was going to field it clean with two people staring him down and immediately got. Just blew up.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Like I didn't even list that one. That was. I mean, because at least he caught it, you know.
[00:09:05] Speaker A: I mean, you know, he was close to probably putting it on the ground there.
[00:09:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And that was. So that was the first half. Second half we had a 16 yard punt return that was allowed just. That was the first punt that we did in the second half. We allowed a 16 yard return and then we did hit a 50 yard field goal. So there was one positive thing on special teams this week.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean we've said all year, I mean from the, from the rip, Schmidt was bad and really since the, the initial kind of, you know, getting his feet under him. I mean he's been a fine addition to. As a kicker. I still don't know that he's the guy that I want kicking for me in a clutch situation if this team ever were good and required a high leverage kick.
But he's been, I mean he's. He's been one of the few guys that's at least done his job since, you know, early in the season. So.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: So flipping a college football. Is he like the fielding of the NFL like can make a Lot of kicks until they never has a pressure kick ever. Because we're always losing by so damn much.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: To be fair. I mean, he hasn't had an opportunity to really hit a clutch kick. So I just my.
[00:10:07] Speaker B: Well, he did and he lost the game. But you know, my own personal feeling.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: Is I would prefer to have somebody that was tried there.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: But yeah, fair.
But he did hit a 50 yarder in those conditions, which is pretty impressive.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:10:20] Speaker B: But we probably honestly would have had more issues on special teams if three drives didn't end in interceptions and another one on turnover on downs as we were coming down the stretch in the second half. So, I mean, it was just, you know, terrible, terrible. Special teams, once again, like, they don't even look like a special teams unit. They look like a high school team.
They're certainly not even college. Not even college. They look like a high school team.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: They're certainly special.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: So just once again, I reiterate, hashtag, fire Bubba.
He needs to go. I'm done with them. I don't know.
To your point. Every week I ask myself, how is he still here? How is he still here? And yet here he is.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: Here he is.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: So let's go ahead and go to the offense.
We'll start with them this week. Should order. Didn't have a great game.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: No.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: And that's fine. And we knew that those would happen because he's a rookie.
But you know what, I'm just going to start here. We'll get into some of the particulars, but I'm going to start here.
Even though he didn't have a great game, you know, what he did in a poor game that Dylan Gabriel hasn't done all season is he flashed competence. He flashed moments where you were like, oh, that was a pretty good play.
I mean, let's go, let's go straight to the, the Jerry Judy handing it off to the other team for an interception. This pinpoint placement on the back shoulder, it should have been a touchdown. Like, that was a phenomenal throw. That was an NFL level throw and your receiver just sucks ass. So it didn't matter.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. They've got the worst receiving core in football. And you know, it's like I, I hate to go into those because Dylan had the same issues. Right. The offensive line is poor. The wide receiver core is poor.
The offensive line was especially bad today because there were basically no starters left, which was something that Dylan didn't necessarily have to deal with. But when you're, when your fourth string right guard, who you just signed this week has to play.
That's usually a bad sign.
But I mean, frankly, look, here's the thing. I'm not gonna overly. I can't defend the performance. Right.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: He's a bad game.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: Completed 50 of his passes.
He threw three picks. He really threw two picks. Like, I don't put the. The Jerry Judy one on him necessarily. I know it goes down in the box score, but that was one of those goofy plays. But the other two ones that he threw, I mean, they were. They were bad throws.
That doesn't mean, though, that he's. He can't be a good quarterback. He had a bad game in bad weather against a good opponent when he's playing for a team that is a bad football team.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: And don't forget, the Bears led the league coming into. It's not like all of a sudden they caused turnovers. They led the league.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: Yeah, they were the leader.
[00:13:07] Speaker B: Turnovers. Yeah.
[00:13:08] Speaker A: So that was to be expected to an extent. We knew that was going to be dangerous. To be fair to, you know, the struggles that Shador is having, he's been pressured more than any other quarterback in the timefra that he's been starting.
The Bears like, their, their average pressure rate coming into the day was in the low 20s, and today it was almost 50%. So, you know, the teams know, they know he's a rookie quarterback. They're going to get after him, which, which is fair, like, good on him. Right. They're doing the right thing. But.
But he's seeing a lot of pressure and a lot of different looks, like with a really poor offensive line. And I think he's doing a lot of things to try to take care of the ball. I think he's throwing the ball away a lot more than he would like to. I know there was a lot of criticism about, especially that final drive where he had a couple of guys, you know, out in front of him that, you know, he maybe took a sack on or at a throwaway because he took too long to throw the ball and, you know, nothing really happened there. But. But I think he was. He was doing what Browns fans bitch about all the time, which is, why am I going to throw it on. On 3rd and 9? Why am I going to throw it 2 yards in front of me? Like, that's what happened on that on the fourth down play for sure, was he had a guy out kind of in the flats, but it was fourth and goal from like the nine. He was like, I'm not going to throw the ball to yard line when I have to throw the ball to the end zone. That's. That's the play here.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: And that doesn't do anything for anybody.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: To put the ball in the end zone.
But there was a lot of people that were like, oh, he's got a wider, wider shoe, is wide open right here. If you get them getting the ball, maybe he makes a play. If he would have thrown that ball, people would have just beat him up because why are you throwing the ball underneath, you know, like, why are you not throwing to the end zone? So he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. And you know, the people that hate Shador obviously have some, some gas in the tank after today because he didn't have a good.
It's hard to defend for the people that like him and is an objective observer. I mean, I think it's. He's a, He's a rookie. Peyton Manning had 23 interception games. Tom Brady had nine or 10.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: This.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: These things happen to even good quarterbacks. And I'm not comparing Shador to Peyton or Tom Brady. I'm just saying that even good quarterbacks have bad days. And he's a rookie in his fourth start or whatever. Like, he hasn't had a lot of practice this year with the ones. Like, he doesn't even have the ones really out there with him. He's got a shit wide receiver core at this point.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Our team is so miss. Just. Just a hodgepodge of whatever's left over.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: And, And I think what's, what's especially frustrating about the Shador conversation is, you know, I think if you ask the average Browns fan what they think of Quinshon Judkins right now, they go, he's having a good rookie season. And by all the, you know, by the, by the overall metrics and yards and touchdowns, like, yeah, you could make a case for that. But if you look at him last week, he averaged under 2 yards of.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: Carry him over like last six weeks.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Yeah, he looked at him again today. He was under two yards of carry. Shador was a leading rusher again today.
So it's not like this guy is getting help anywhere. And against Defend Shador, it was a bad game. But. But he plays for a bad football team that's poorly coached. Hell, they didn't even have the right wristband on him to start the game.
[00:16:09] Speaker B: They didn't even know what that place.
I don't know what that was.
Two things. Two things. One, we'll go back to Judkins real.
This is a guy that. And I'm not hating on Judkins. I think Judkins has a bright future.
I think that he started out hot and teams are kind of picking up on his run style a little bit. They're also stacking the box, pinning their ears back, and just throwing everything at the Browns right now. Cause I know their offensive line is just asshole, but I just. He. I mean, you're right.
I mean, he's averaged like 2 yards of carry for like six weeks straight this week. Under 2 yards is 1.8 yards of carry today. Yeah.
This is a guy that, at one point, at one point it was like a, like a foregone conclusion. He's going to rush for a thousand yards as a rookie and now it's like he might not.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: I've been pumping the brakes on that one all season long.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's that. But I want to go back to Shador, though, because, you know, you talked about. One of the things is, is the league is bringing the most pressure on him and everybody likes to talk about how he can't handle the pressure and whatever else and he plays poorly.
Let me just let everybody know, if you go and you look at next level stats on literally any quarterback that's under pressure. Yeah. Like 75 plus percent of them play much. Not just a little bit much. Much worse under pressure. Yeah.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: That's why you bring pressure. Right? You bring pressure to disrupt a quarterback in. The difference is in a lot of cases, other teams have A, decent offensive lines, B, a decent running game, C, a wide receiver core that they do have to respect and cover. When you don't have any of those things, it makes it really easy to pin your ears back and just say, hey, right. You know, we're rushing two extra guys every time.
[00:18:02] Speaker B: And that's my point is like, it's. It's not a fair comparison. And, and it's. This isn't all to just fully defend Shador and say like, oh, you know, there's. It's not his fault he had a bad game. Like, that's not. I'm saying he had a bad game. I'm fully admitting that. However, what I'm trying to say is like, let's put this into perspective. Like, this team is bad.
Like, like really bad.
You just named it. We don't have a single other group on the offensive side of the ball that is solid. Like, the only one you could argue possibly is tight ends. And now with Najoku out for who knows how long, you got Harold Fannin. Yeah, Harold Fannin's pretty Good. He showed that again today.
But that's another thing that the defense is keying on. I mean, they started the third interception was 100% because the Bears figured out, oh, store likes to go to Fannin.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: That's the one guy that could catch the ball. Yeah, yeah.
[00:18:55] Speaker B: And so they said, let's drop this linebacker back to double cover him. And then, oh, boom, interception. Like it's not.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: And even Fannin had a couple drops today and it was because he was, he was being covered up and Shador was trying to get him the ball. I mean, and he's trying to force the ball into the one guy that can make plays on this offense.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, again, not to, I'm not trying to fully defend Shador. Like he had a bad game, but he is a rookie. There's a lot of extenuating circumstances. The Browns are ass and they're not getting any better. And you got Kevin Stefanski's offense that you're running.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:24] Speaker B: Like if you told me nothing else, you could have all those things that we just listed off. If you're running Kevin Stefanski's offense, you're still probably not doing too well. You're probably gonna get 250 yards total offense every day.
So.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's not good. It's not good at all. And, and again, I think.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: Dewey Shador is going to be, is going to be fine if they game plan for him and if they add talent around him, like I think he can be a competent NFL quarterback. We've said it all year. We don't know what his ceiling is. We don't know if he's going to be a top 10 type passer in the league. We don't know that. But, but, but he's shown enough even in today's game. Where to your point earlier, like, it wasn't a good game, but you still saw him stretch the field. You still saw him. Like I said, the ball on guys downfield. That was very accurate in a game where it was the fourth coldest game in Soldier Field history.
So the weather obviously was, was not good.
[00:20:20] Speaker B: You know, the weather outside travel when.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: It'S, when it's that cold. So you gotta be, you know, really, really have a strong arm to get it there when you're making downfield throws. So he has plenty talent. Today was a bad game.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: Yep.
Yeah. And like you said, as far as flashes, like, I, I definitely put the Jerry Judy throw, even though that resulted in an interception. I put that up. That's. That may be the best play I've seen all year until Jerry Judy handed it to them for the interception.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think the other thing, too, that Shador is not getting enough credit for is. And coming in, we expected to see Dylan Gabriel do, which is his mobility. His mobility is, I think, undervalued.
He's. He. He didn't have a ton of runs today, but the few times that he had to get out of the pocket and do something with his feet, he did. Which, you know, in a game like today doesn't matter so much. But in a game where, you know, somewhere down the road, if you're in a game that. Where it does matter, like, that's a good skill to have. He's more elusive than he gets credit for. He's not Lamar Jackson by any means, but. But he has plenty of mobility to.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: He might be a Lamar Jackson now.
[00:21:25] Speaker A: I don't know what's going on with Lamar, but.
But he has plenty of mobility to make a play when everything else break.
And I think, like, it was when he came in, it was like, oh, he's just not an athletic guy because he took a lot of sacks at Colorado, but, you know, he played behind a really poor offensive line there. So. Yeah, yeah, it is. It was a bad. It was a bad game, but I think you saw enough today. I mean, geez, even in today's awful game, he still threw for 180 yards, which I don't know if. What did Dylan Gabriel do one time? Over 180 yards in the. In the game. So, you know, and I was on, like, I don't know what he. What, do you complete 12 passes or something today? I mean, it was 18. Really bad.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: I mean, 18 of 35.
[00:22:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So it just. It was what. Just was a bad game. But he'll be fine if you.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: 18 of 35 for 177 yards and three interceptions, five sacks, 35 yards. So.
[00:22:18] Speaker A: And. And I know somebody mentioned in the chat earlier that, like, the bad coaching seems intentional at this point?
And we've gone back and forth on this whole thing. We talked to John Hughes about it this week and kind of landed on, like, you know, is there really even the capacity for an NFL head coach to play petty games like that? Right. They're. They're in charge of. Of so many things, have so many moving parts, like, they don't have time to play petty games when you're starting quarterback in the NFL, walks out onto the field with the wrong plays on his wrist.
I mean, tell me how that happens. It's either intentional sabotage or it's utter incompetence. Both of those things are terrible.
[00:23:04] Speaker B: Like, at least if it's sabotage, it's something intentional. Like, you're just accidentally this bad.
Like, that's not good.
That's the guy we've got leading our team.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: I mean, what do you mean?
[00:23:14] Speaker B: What do you.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: How does that guy not have all the resources he needs to get in the game and make the right play?
[00:23:20] Speaker B: Do we? Definitely. A void of culture and accountability. And Stefanski has always been the opposite of a leader of men.
He just, he's a guy that just lets the men do whatever the hell they want to do.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: Not a leader.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Exactly. He's. Yeah, he's just a guy.
And then. Last thing I wanted to talk about here on offense is just. I know we've already mentioned it, but Jerry Judy's so bad.
Like, I wish I, I, I long for the days. Remember when Judy was good for a second and we were like, jerry Judy's the man.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: He was good all last year.
[00:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I, I just can't. I hope to God they are able to.
They probably won't because of the Browns, but I hope to God they get a wide receiver one in the off season somewhere and we can go back to. I think Jerry Judy would be a solid wide receiver, too. And not all the pressure's on him to produce, but in this role, he is terrible.
And I can't stand watching him because he, he has the diva mentality of a wide receiver one, but absolutely no skill that a wide receiver one has.
[00:24:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:29] Speaker A: And not to, like, drag this back to Shador, but even in the press conference again today, they asked Shador about the ball that Judy dropped and, and essentially implied that, like, you know, they expected that Shador would have said something to Jerry Judy about it, which again, what do you want the guy to say? And this guy, week in and week out, fields the dumbest questions on the face of the planet. Do you think you're going to get.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Why don't you tell your wide receiver he's asked.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: Yeah, why don't you go up to him after that and tell him he doesn't belong in the league? To which Shador, like, thankfully, again delivered a professional line which was basically, look, it is what it is. He's a professional. He knows it was a play you gotta have, and he's hard enough on himself about it, so why in the world would I say anything to him? Like, yeah, every week this guy I.
[00:25:22] Speaker B: Would start asking all these reporters their names, and I'll just be like, what's your name? All right, I'm gonna go let him know you think he's ass.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: Like, how do you. How do you still have a job, sir? Like, you are. You are the worst at your job.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: But yeah, like, instead of asking Shador, why don't you just ask Jerry Judy why didn't you catch that ball?
It's pretty simple.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah, well, in for Judy, I mean, it does look bad, right? Because two weeks ago you were in Shador's face on the sideline telling him, just throw me the damn ball. And here he puts a dart on you in the end zone. Just like at a point in the game where it still could have mattered. I mean, it was still at that point if they had scored. Like, it's still a ball game. You probably start going to win, but it's still a ball game game.
And it hits you in the hands. I mean, that's not good.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Dewey, James, some of these other. Other questions. I just want to let you know we'll get to some of these here soon. We are getting to them because they keep rolling in. I know Dewey's had quite a few, so we will get to them.
But yeah, I mean, it was a point in the game where it could potentially matter. And he's just, I'll give it to the other team. They can have it.
[00:26:24] Speaker A: I mean, I guess the one, the one good thing that came out of that receiver core today were. Was Isaiah Bond, you know, had at.
[00:26:31] Speaker B: Least showed up catches or at least there shouldn't say showed up, but he. There was a sighting.
[00:26:36] Speaker A: There was a sighting. So, you know, and I don't know if that was more just oversight on Chicago's end because they're like, they just don't respect any of our receivers, so they just kind of let him run free. And. And Shador is enough a gambler that he was like, hell, if it's there, I'm going to take it.
But at least he did come down with a couple today. So that's the. It's the one life this offense had this afternoon.
[00:27:00] Speaker B: Yep.
And then obviously didn't put him in here, but I'll mention him now. Harold Fannin, seven more receptions. I think he's only one away, if I'm not mistaken. Or is he. Did he just pass it? The rookie receptions record, I think he needed six, actually.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: So he passed him last week, but I don't know.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: Well, that was a yard. I think he passed for Yards. And then he was going for the actual receptions record. He needed six, I think.
[00:27:25] Speaker A: Think.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Yeah, he got seven, so seven today, so. Yep. So I think he's. I think he just passed him. I could be wrong on that. I don't know the exact stats, but it's right around there. If. If he didn't break it, he's going to. Yeah, he's had a good year.
So let's go ahead and take it over to the defense here. Defense was terrible for the second week in a row.
Just non existent.
Miles Garrett did add another sack and a half. Carson Schwessinger continued. Just the tear that he's been on with 14 tackles. Yeah, yeah. But besides that, as a unit, they were awful. Like, just, Just gashed left and right for big yard. Like, I, I can't tell you, like, these chunk plays with the running backs is just so frustrating the last couple weeks here.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, it hurt not having Zell there today. So, I mean, that was, you know, one bad thing. But, but this defense just in general was from the rip.
This was the first time that this football team across the board looked totally disengaged, like, totally disinterested.
And like, they didn't want to be there. It was cold. They wanted to go home. They didn't want to play a football game. And to me, that was the, the, the final indication of, like, his defansky finally lost the locker room to an extent where it's, it's, you know, irreparable. 31.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: Three would say yes.
[00:28:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, this team looked like they wanted to be anywhere else but there today. Miles is in it to, to try and get his sacks, which is fine. I don't blame the guy.
But I think that's really kind of all they were playing for is. Is Miles to get his sacks.
[00:29:04] Speaker B: And, you know, we feel we field an entire team just so Miles can go get his sack record.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: That's pretty much what it was. Right. And. And that. And to get, you know, some metal, you know, under. Under Shador. But.
But that's really it. I mean, this team looked defeated coming in. They played defeated all day. And to me, that's just like if you can't get up for an NFL game. Look, you are three and what are they, three and 11 now? I mean, you are three and 11, and every week your job is on the line because this coaching staff may very well be gone next year. This gm, the guy that drafted you may very well be gone next year. And so if you aren't putting good tape together right now in the face of adversity, there's no guarantee that you're going to be a Cleveland Brown next year. And maybe that's intentional. Maybe they don't care and they're like, I'll get picked up by somebody and that's got to be better than this shit show. But, but I just got to think like there's. These guys are professionals. Right. It's easy for us as fans to get down and go the rest of the season doesn't matter. I'm going to watch, you know, General Hospital or something instead. But.
[00:30:07] Speaker B: But. Oh, that's your go to.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: But these guys are doing it for a paycheck. They're doing it as a, for their livelihood, for their family. They have a why. And if you can't get up for that, that's not good. And that directly starts and ends with your head coach.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So just like you said, top to bottom, I don't really have anything else to say about the defense. They're just, they were just bad, so.
[00:30:29] Speaker A: They were really bad. Yeah, I mean, couldn't stop, couldn't stop the run again today they had a number of drives where, you know, they never saw a third down and yeah.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: You know, they just at one point in the first, first quarter they had, was it 11 first downs in Cleveland? Had six total plays on offense.
[00:30:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: That's insane.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: So, yeah, it was just about as.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: Bad as it could get. I mean today was as bad as you could possibly look in all three phases of the game.
And this is where we are. This is. I mean you've got tough games here down the stretch. You got Buffalo here, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati. I mean this is not, it's not going be a fun couple of weeks.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
No, it's not. And then just to add insult to injury, literally Tevin Jenkins shoulder injury, left the game, did not return because that's what we can afford is offensive line getting anybody on the offensive line getting.
[00:31:26] Speaker A: Hurt at this point when your backup backup offensive lineman gets hurt and on your backup backup.
[00:31:31] Speaker B: What'd you tell me before the show is like our fourth string, right.
[00:31:34] Speaker A: Gary Dillinger was signed this week and he was technically came into today as the backup center and the fourth string right guard who had to see action today.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: So yeah, it's a good day. It's a good day.
So before we get to the. The dog of the week and some of these other things I actually want to go through, do we just want to look at some of the comments Here and pull some of them in. I know you were highlighting them along the way, but 66 catches, rookie Herald fan, I just caused. Okay, so they're tied.
So wait, is that all. Is that a receiver, though?
[00:32:12] Speaker A: Kevin?
[00:32:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:13] Speaker A: Receiver. Yeah. Yes.
[00:32:16] Speaker B: Well, he said Kevin Smith and he's. Oh, Kevin Johnson. He corrected himself.
Yeah. So he's. He's tied for the record right now. So there you go. I knew he was close, but. Yes. Do we just hitting on some of these points years historically bad offense. Phone. Our coach was an offensive guy. Right.
[00:32:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:32:38] Speaker B: And yes, it does seem intentional in places, but Kenny already talked about the games and things like that.
I disagreed with John there. I just want to throw that out there. John. John Hughes. John Hughes.
John Hughes said, I don't think he has time for games. And I said, this is Kevin Stefanski we're talking about. I 100 disagree. I feel like all he does is play games.
But yeah, I mean, just everything about this, man, it felt bad. It was hard to watch.
I think we're. We're the one from Dewey just go. He'd rather 3 and 11. I'd rather piss hot needles over watching this Cleveland Browns team. Yep, that's kind of. That's kind of where we're at. So.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: Yeah, they're really good. They're really good. Today was a lot of fun to watch.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: And then Jamie predicted them to get negative points. They did better than he thought. That's good.
Yeah. I don't know. I don't really have a lot to say. This is a shorter show because what else can you say? This was. You get a. You get a 31 to 3 performance and there's not really a lot to break down. The Browns played really poorly.
Our coaches ass or our offense, defense and special teams were all assigned.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: Well, I just think that. I think the next place you go from here is.
I mean, I think. I don't think Jimmy wants to fire Kevin Stefanski. I don't think he came into this season thinking there was any way Kevin was going to do so poorly with this football team that they would be as bad or worse than last year.
And right now, Kevin is making that very, very difficult on Jimmy. And so I think you have to start at least thinking now about what is the future of this. This football team, what head coaching candidates are out there.
Does Andrew Barry survive here? Look, people want to be, you know, hey, this was a good draft class. Andrew Barry should. Should survive. And. And there might even be a little bit of a case to be made there because it sounds like Andrew Barry was really the guy that picked up like Shador and that prime and Shador both like Andrew Barry. So maybe there's a case there to be made. But when you look at a game like today, 31 to 3, and the lack of talent at wide receiver, the lack of talent at offensive line, that, that depth is a direct result of years of bad drafting under Andrew Barry. So I just, I don't know. I don't know how they both survive this season of 3 and 14 back to back to lose. 14 to lose. To lose 28 games in two years.
Who survives that? Who survives that?
[00:35:16] Speaker B: I think Barry's going to survive because I think he's.
He's firmly entrenched himself in the Shador Sanders camp. And I think that.
I think Haslam's going to see say the same thing. He's going to say this. This was an Andrew Barry pick. We talked about our theory for the whole. Why they looked so angry right during the draft when they drafted Shador Sanders. And just to. Just to go over it real quick for everybody that hasn't heard us talk about this yet, the short version is we think that they were pissed off at each other, that Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry just had a big blow up at each other because Kevin Stefanski's guy that he asked them to take was Dylan Gabriel. And we think that finally a point came where Andrew Barry said, look, look, I could take this guy and he could be my. The ace up my sleeve, you know, whatever, you know, turn of phrase you want to use to say this is. This is my fallback option.
And Kevin Stefanski didn't like that. I think they had a blow up with each other and they, you know, what you saw on TV was them pissed off at each other. And so where I'm going with this, though is Andrew Barry, I think, has entrenched himself in the store Sanders camp, and now that he's playing well enough that I think Jimmy Haslam's gonna say, look, we could build around this guy going forward. We could take receiver, we could do this. We could let Andrew Berry take receivers, offensive lineman in the draft and we could give him a shot for a full season and see how it goes. And that's how I think Andrew Barry survives.
[00:36:49] Speaker A: And I think there's people in all different camps, right? There's people still in the Stefanski camp, there's people in the fire Stefanski camp, there's people in the Berry camp. There's people in the fire Berry camp. There's People in the Shador camp, I think that, and, and there's some crossover probably across all those groups. I think if you're somebody that is in the Shador camp and they do fire Andrew Barry at the end of this year, I, I almost think you almost have to be in the Barry Shador camp because if you want him to have a legitimate shot at being the quarterback, at least for next year, I think Andrew Barry has to survive this off season. Because I do think that if you bring in a new coach and a new GM or maybe a brand new coach, that is the gm, you know, some combination of, I think that makes it way easier to go into the draft and pick a guy like Mendoza. I, I don't, I don't know that you want Andrew Berry's leftovers if you're coming in as the new head coach, new gm, especially with, you know, and I, I, I have defended Shador on this and I'll keep defending Shador on this. I don't think he's been a problem, but there's a perception that Shador is a problem with his dad, with the social media stuff.
So if you're a brand new regime coming in and taking over, I think it's really easy to move on from Shador Sanders and Dylan Gabriel for that matter. But I do think that if you're in the Shador camp and want to see Shador play, I almost do think at this point that Andrew Barry has to survive.
So if you're in the. I want to keep Shador, but I think Edge Barry needs to go camp. I got bad news for you.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And, and for that reason, I was, For a long time I've been saying fire everybody, but it, not that I want to keep him because our depth is terrible, but he, and not that I forgive him. I should say I want to keep him for the simple fact that I want Shador to have a year next year. I've seen enough from him to say I want to, I want him to have a year to see if we could build a team around him and grow, because if we can, we got him for a fifth rounder.
And that's where I'm at with it. So, I mean, my next thing is.
[00:38:54] Speaker A: I'm just not impressed by any of these quarterbacks coming out.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: Right. And that's my, that's my point is like, I'd rather take that and say, okay, there are a lot of good receivers, there are a lot of good offensive linemen coming out. Let's go ahead and take those Guys, build the team out and just see what he can do.
And because you said it last week, I think Shador Sanders right now is better than any of these top candidates as far as top picks for quarterbacks in the draft.
Mendoza does not impress me at all. I don't care that he beat Ohio State. They were gushing over him because he made two throws out of like 18 in that game. And they were like, oh, my God, he's so clutch. And it's like he literally. He didn't do anything the entire game. He was mediocre at best. And then he goes on and wins the Heisman.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And. And there's so much Shador hate that that's going on. Just like, even. Especially after this game that people like, oh, this guy sucks. You can't win with this guy. Like, I'm almost just like, like at the end of my rope where I just have given up fighting for it. I'm just like, you know what? Go ahead, draft Mendoza. Let's go 3 and 14 again next year. Like, you can sleep in the bed that you make. If you as Browns fans are that, that fickle and that shallow and that's what you think is going to fix it. Like, go for it. Because I can already see the writing on the wall on that one, too. Like, that's not going anywhere. That guy is not going to walk in and be a day one starter and be good in this league. If it happens, and he is, I will absolutely lay down and accept that. But. But.
But there's no chance. There's zero chance. And. And I just think that, you know, my whole point just with the Shador getting another year is you upscale this. This line, you solidify this line, you get a better wide receiver, a real playmaker at wide receiver, and those things help whoever the next quarterback is, whether that is Shador Sanders or whether you wait a year and draft a quarterback next year, Having a good offensive line and a good receiving core is a good thing.
And to pass up those opportunities this year because you might want to package, you know, picks together and move up to get a guy like Mendoza. All of a sudden, you screw up your entire draft again.
[00:40:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Highlight those last two from Dewey.
He said prime and Barry reportedly have a great relationship. Can't. Can't be worse than this bullshit. That's. That's 100% true. They said he's mostly joking about Coach prime to Cleveland, but we're feeding into it.
[00:41:10] Speaker A: It.
[00:41:11] Speaker B: Listen, this is Kenny. I think, Kenny, you brought this up and you speculated on this last, last week.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: I'm not joking about it. I, you know, look, we've seen things get as bad as they can get here in Cleveland, and people laugh, I think, like, tongue in cheek, like, about prime coming to Cleveland. I, I, I'm all for it. I'm 100% for it. Because you can't, we can't play this game like, oh, Prime's not a legitimate NFL head coach. When this franchise hired Rob Jaczynski and Freddie Kitchens and Hugh Jackson, now Kevin Stavit, like, as if those guys are somehow a better option than Deion Sanders to come here, you would at least have chemistry with your quarterback. And I think that accounts for a lot. So I, I, I am all for the experiment. I would love to see it happen.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:58] Speaker A: Is he my, you know, end all, be all kid?
[00:42:00] Speaker B: No.
[00:42:00] Speaker A: There's a lot of good coaching candidates out there. I'd be supportive of a lot of guys coming here, but I'm not dismissive of the idea of prime coming here. I would love it.
[00:42:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And then I have a couple more here.
Dewey said conspiracy. Stefanski already has his next job lined up and is trying to get fired ahead of time so he can rest his Ivy League brain power.
[00:42:21] Speaker A: Please go.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I actually, Kevin, I actually feel like that's the way things are unfolding. I don't know that that's a huge conspiracy at this point. I mean, his camp clearly leaked the whole, A lot of people would be looking at me if I wasn't in Cleveland story. So, like, I, I don't know. I don't know that that's much conspiracy. I think you could be onto something there because just, just look at, like, he's always been a bad coach, let's be honest. But his last few weeks, it's just been like he took it to a whole new level. He's like, look how bad I am. I gave a quarterback a wrong wristband.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: I just, like, I find it laughable, the idea that there are teams lining up in weight for Kevin Stefanski and his, you know, 40 and 55 overall record over 60 or six years or whatever.
You know, you look at a guy like, like Andy Reid and you go, like, that's a guy that had success in a previous style, couldn't, maybe couldn't get the job done, couldn't win a Super bowl, but had success. And when he needed a new job, I believe there were teams that wanted Andy. Like, there were, there was, like, that's a guy that you would want. This is a guy that has a track record of success.
Kevin Stefanski does not. We can go to the coach of the year route, I guess, but we've. We've already debunked that several times on.
[00:43:43] Speaker B: Our show, so I don't really understand how that's a plot positive for him. He won two coach of the Year every other year he's been with the Browns. He's been asked, yeah, like, just terrible. Like, so bad that it wipes out everything in those two coach of the year seasons and more.
Mind you, after the end of this season, he will be somewhere around 15 to 16 games under.500.
[00:44:04] Speaker A: Not to mention, if.
If you're thinking about the leader of your franchise going forward, let's say it's the New York Giants records, one thing, but I think the other more concerning component is this guy came in with the thought that he could develop quarterbacks, and he hasn't developed a single one.
And he also has to share some blame for the DeSean Watson move, which has to be top three, if not the worst NFL transactions in the history of the state sport. Why would you want that guy leading and making decisions for your franchise? There's no way that you're wet over that.
[00:44:50] Speaker B: Apparently, ESPN ran a story and they said that most of the league thinks that wasn't his fault.
[00:44:57] Speaker A: Great. I don't know.
Here's what I know because I just watched a loop of actually, of all the Kevin Savansky press conferences of every game this year.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: That had to be the most painful thing you've ever seen.
[00:45:09] Speaker A: He says, well, everything that happens on that field starts and ends with me. I gotta do better. It's on me. That's the guy that's in charge. That is the CEO of your franchise right there at the podium.
[00:45:20] Speaker B: Do you guys hear us every week when we come on this show and we talk about all the things that just inexplicably went wrong, like the most asinine things to ever go wrong on a football field week after week after week.
[00:45:33] Speaker A: And he owns it. He owns it it. And.
[00:45:37] Speaker B: You know, there's, There's.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: There's plenty of reading between the lines that goes on in Cleveland. If Kevin wasn't supportive of the shipping out of Baker Mayfield and the bringing in of desean Watson, we would know about it. We wouldn't. There's ways to. To.
I mean, Jesus. Bubba Ventrone two weeks ago said Larva Dane is the best returner we got because that's what I've been given as an option.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:04] Speaker A: I mean, these guys have. Have options. At their disposal. They're in front of the media all the time. They have, you know, their own camps and their own leaks and their own way to get messaging out. That is a guy that full throatedly supported the desean Watson move and to the point where he was willing to give up play calling and rebuild this offense around him. And look, there were stories going back just like now. There's stories about, oh, Shador is progressing at a great rate because Kevin's spending all this extra time with him. Yeah, there were stories.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: That was my favorite league of the week that's gonna be on the regular show. We're gonna talk about that.
[00:46:40] Speaker A: There were stories that Kevin was the ace in the hole, that he went down and talked to desean about all the cool things they were going to do in this offense. So you can't tell me that Kevin doesn't own any blame in that scenario for what is very clearly now one of the worst ever to happen in this game. Game.
[00:46:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. You don't have to convince me.
Yeah, that's terrible comparison.
That's all I have to say about that.
Our list of our wish list of head coaches. Do we want to save that for this week?
[00:47:14] Speaker A: I was going to say let's table that for this week's show.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Because we could do that pretty quick in the show this week.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: Well, I think that's where we're headed at this point because there's very little to talk about on the field at this point and very little to look forward to for the rest of the season. I think we have to start thinking about what is. What is the next 12 months of Browns football look like.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: Plus, you'll get a bunch of these episodes as soon as the off season hits, so that'll be fun.
[00:47:37] Speaker A: True.
[00:47:38] Speaker B: So, Dewey, I know you'd love to hear our list, but you ain't getting it. At least not. Not right now.
[00:47:44] Speaker A: Dewey, why don't you give us a call? Give us your list. We will listen to your list first.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah, We got Van Marshall going off on Facebook just highlighting some of these last comments before I move along.
He's just. He hates Kevin Stefanski. It's a very long post. But he hates Kevin Stefanski. Like, we're right there with you.
[00:48:05] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:48:06] Speaker B: He's the worst whole Brown's front office. He's going off on everybody. Here's the thing, and I say this all the time, like, I don't particularly love Jimmy Haslam either.
[00:48:17] Speaker A: Either.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: I'll be honest with You. I don't think he's that great of an owner. Like, surprise, surprise. But if you're trying to say we need to. To move, get a new owner, it's just not happening.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:29] Speaker B: So that's one of those areas where I just. I don't even go there most of the time because it's just not a waste conversation.
[00:48:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: It's completely wasting your energy.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: There's nothing you can do about.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: I will say. I'll give you this, though, Van.
He should grow some balls and fire Kevin Stefanski now.
Agreed. Instead of waiting until the end of.
[00:48:52] Speaker A: The season after this performance and the way the team was, was disinterested, I think you have all of the evidence you need to. To fire that man with cause and.
And cut bait and move on and start thinking about. Look, there's. At the end of this season, there's. What do they call Black Monday or Black Friday? I don't remember which one.
[00:49:09] Speaker B: Oh, he's out.
[00:49:10] Speaker A: As soon as the season ends, there's going to be a couple of guys here and there that are like, oh, there's already been guys that have been let go this year. So, I mean, Tennessee lost their coach. Like, there's other franchises. They're going to be looking for a head coach and it's. It would do. It would. It would be to your benefit to get a head start on that conversation because the more time goes on, the top college coaches are going to get hired at other colleges. They're going to take other jobs in the NFL.
You can start that conversation now and get your pick of the crop.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: Yep.
Oh, your mom commented on there.
[00:49:46] Speaker A: Hi, Mom.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: This team could. I'm going to read that one because you can't. You can't highlight them because, you know, Facebook link is broken. But this team continues to break the hearts of their fans, yet we still watch and support them. Kenny, your dad used to get phone calls on Monday after. After watching the Browns because his later would register a rapid heartbeat during the Cleveland Browns game.
[00:50:07] Speaker A: Game.
[00:50:07] Speaker B: We love our brownies. Enough is enough.
[00:50:10] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, the defibrillator changed things.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: Man, that was fun reading that until we hit that point. But yeah, I mean, they do. They break everyone's hearts. They need to cut it out, but they're not going to.
Our hearts will be broken from now until the end of time. Let's be honest.
[00:50:28] Speaker A: I like the Dewey is betting on Korean table tents.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw that. That made me laugh. Me laugh.
No, Bubba. You think that's where they go all right, let's. Let's move this along, Kenny.
Let's try and find a silver lining here like we always do. Bone didn't send in a dog of the week, did he?
[00:50:48] Speaker A: We'll give him Schwessinger.
[00:50:49] Speaker B: All right, Bone, we're gonna do our nominees for the burning sportscast. Dog of the week. Bone is getting swishing. Schweizinger.
Kenny, who you got?
[00:51:00] Speaker A: Are you going Miles? Because he got to a sack and a half.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I was the one that said he was going to break the record this year, so you got to give me miles.
[00:51:07] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:51:09] Speaker B: Who do you have. We gotta go. Fanning, right?
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Look, I'll go. I'll go.
Isaiah Bond this week because he was a leading receiver. He had two catches, but he was the leading receiver.
Just out of sheer. Just.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: Hey, he didn't even go with Fannin. And he tied the same the rookie record for receptions this week.
[00:51:31] Speaker A: Yeah, but Fanning had a couple of drops earlier when they still mattered.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: So you'll give it to him next week.
[00:51:36] Speaker A: We'll see.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Do. Do he likes your high mom.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: Here's the, here's. Here's my thing about Fanning at this point.
Not that I'm, I'm. I'm mad at it. Like I'm frustrated with him. It's just he is good. He's the one kind of bright spot on this offense. So I almost expect more out of him.
I mean, that may not be fair at this point, but like seven catches for 48 today I'm like, eh. Like I don't know. That's. That's just a very average game.
[00:52:05] Speaker B: Should have had seven for 88.
[00:52:06] Speaker A: He had a couple of drops.
[00:52:08] Speaker B: And don't forget he's a tight end.
[00:52:10] Speaker A: This is a. Well, yeah, but he's the only one. He's a tight end. But what did he have on the day? 14 targets.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:52:19] Speaker A: So to me, that's just not. That's not getting it done when, when you're the best player on the field on the offense, I need more out of you. So it's not to slight him in any way. It's just that my expectations for him are higher than. Than is probably fair because I think he's shown that he's capable of that this year.
[00:52:36] Speaker B: 14 targets is a rookie tight end is just the stupidest stat line ever.
All right, final thoughts. Kenny, you want me to go or you want to go first?
[00:52:47] Speaker A: You should go.
[00:52:48] Speaker B: Are you got a long one you're gonna.
[00:52:50] Speaker A: No, I don't have a thought. That's my problem. I don't.
[00:52:53] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:52:54] Speaker A: I don't have it. There's nothing. I guess I'll go. I jump in. I don't have a final thought. I mean, there's, there. What can you say? They lost 31 to 3. This team looks really bad. This team looks like they've quit on the season. You know, 1, 2, 3, Cancun. That's, that's where we're at. Like, this team is a bag of. I mean, there's, there's nothing left on this year. We need to start thinking about next year.
There's obviously a lot of interesting conversations around quarterback in the draft and what they're going to do and, and who's going to come back next year and you know, what happens to Tommy Reese. Like, there's all. There's a lot of unanswered questions.
But this year's cook, this year's done. I mean, they got. You got Buffalo, you got Pittsburgh, you got Cincinnati there.
If save yourself the anxiety and the frustration, there's no reason to turn the TV on at 1 o' clock for the next three weeks. Enjoy the holidays. Merry Christmas. Like, just go do your thing because the Browns aren't worth your time.
[00:53:48] Speaker B: That's probably good advice.
I mean, you, you said, you said you go first and then you tricked me and said I'll go first.
And you literally took my final thought, which was just gonna be the season's over. Like, the season's over. We're not winning any more games. They're. They're losing all three of these last few games that they have left.
The only thing you should probably watch for is to see Myles Garrett break the sack record. As soon as he breaks it, it don't watch again.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:54:20] Speaker B: It's just pointless because let's be honest, like at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Miles Garrett Brooks stack records like, I'm done for the season.
[00:54:29] Speaker A: I think he wants to probably pat it.
[00:54:31] Speaker B: You know, he probably does, but especially.
[00:54:33] Speaker A: Against Joe Burrow and in, in Pittsburgh.
[00:54:36] Speaker B: It'S like Joe Burrow, you could get like four or two because the, their, their offensive line is the only other one that's almost as bad as ours.
[00:54:43] Speaker A: It would, it would be nice to, to have a couple, a couple sackos on those guys is.
[00:54:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
But yeah, there's no, no reason besides that to watch. The Browns are unwatchable at this point.
But with that, let me remind everyone to call the Burning Sports Cats hot take hotline one more time.
[00:55:01] Speaker A: Yeah, call that Hotline.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: Dewey, Tina, Val, Van Jamie, all you guys, it's great having you guys live. We appreciate it. We appreciate the comments rolling in.
Everybody else that's commenting on here as well, we appreciate it.
But we also want your hot takes for the hot take hotline.
[00:55:21] Speaker A: And if you don't call in and leave your hot takes, we'll kick you right in the Haslams, right in the Jimmy's.
[00:55:26] Speaker B: So get those hot takes in and be sure to check out our gear. Www.thetappenmedia.com backslash shop and that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect this week?
[00:55:34] Speaker A: Oh, we'll have our normal show out on Thursday this week, will you? Where we will Preview the Week 16 matchup. We'll with the Bills, another Browns backers interview.
You know, somebody in upstate New York's gonna gonna have to talk to us. And all the other things that you listen to the Burning R Sportscast for like the same takes over over and over, over and over, over again again.
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[00:56:41] Speaker A: We talked for almost an hour about the worst Browns game.
[00:56:44] Speaker B: I was just gonna tell you that. I was gonna say, see, we always think there's nothing to talk about and somehow we end up being here for an hour.
[00:56:49] Speaker A: It's a real problem.
[00:56:50] Speaker B: We actually kept some people entertained apparently.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: Don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem.
[00:56:57] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
Burning River Sportscast. Good night, Cleveland.
[00:57:04] Speaker A: Burning.
Sam.
