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[00:01:03] Speaker A: Foreign it's time. Time for the Burning River Sportscast.
Once again, this season ends with but a whimper.
Some of the poorest football I can remember seeing at any point in my life. At the professional level, the Browns were quick to part ways with first year offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey and first year offensive line coach Andy Dickerson, as if these two were the only problem. And with no other telegraph departures on the way, it begs the question, what about the guys actually in charge? What about the guys who hired Ken Dorsey and Andy Dickerson? Do we just chalk those up to another poor decision made by those in charge and let them walk away with no accountability whatsoever?
Honestly, the departure of Ken Dorsey really bothers me. Not because I wanted to keep him, but if he was on the hot seat, if those in charge really thought he was the reason for the offensive struggles all season, why then reward him with the additional responsibility of calling plays midway through the season? I don't know about you, but in corporate America where winning results in staying in business and losing equals bankruptcy and insolvency, I've never seen a scenario play out where leadership looks at someone failing in their role thinking we may have to part ways with this guy and go, you know what, let's just put him in charge of the whole shebang. I mean, honestly, you've all seen co workers struggle or get managed out at some point. When's the last time leadership put that guy in charge of your team before firing him?
It's child's play. It's infantile. It's an absolute clown show. It's a toxic culture ran by toxic people playing every game but football.
Truly a bunch of overpaid amateurs with made up titles playing business like toddlers. Seriously though, look at your kids. Next play date, stick a necktie on each of them in the living room, call one the gm, one the head coach one the owner. Hell, one could be the one the head of analytics. And just watch. Just watch. Are they hitting each other with dolls yet? Are they eating two day old grapes off the floor? That's a firsthand look at the way the Browns run business. So. So naturally, let's run it back and put these guys in charge of maybe one of the most consequential drafts in franchise history. If this team makes the playoffs next year, I'll admit I'm wrong and I'll shave my eyebrows clean off.
But when inevitably they waste another year of hall of Fame talent for guys like Miles Garrett, guys like Joel Batonio, I'll be right here to say I told you so. We'll break it all down for you next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Is there an opposite of comeback player of the year? Because that's Justin Hopkins.
The grass ain't always greener. And like.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Well, I always say, if there's grass on the field, play ball.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:03:54] Speaker C: Obviously he has always said that.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: I wouldn't give Ken Dorsey the keys to the. To the. To the. To the whole thing. Whenever.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: I don't give the keys to anything.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:07] Speaker A: Why.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: But why?
[00:04:08] Speaker A: I wouldn't give him the keys to my trigger.
[00:04:10] Speaker C: He had to turn in a set of keys, guys.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: In what legitimate, honest scenario do we not see ourselves being the dumpster fire of the NFL for the next four years? Plus, that was the wrong note.
[00:04:38] Speaker C: I lost it.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: Look at the body of work. And in what way, shape or form can you make a legitimate argument that both Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry deserve to be back with the Browns?
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Now, I don't know what history book or textbook you got out of. Oh, the heart's the first organ that developed. I'm not talking about organs developing. I'm talking about embryonic development. And you start out as an anus. The first thing that happens after your cells divide and implant themselves into a uterine lining, into the endometrium, is they develop an anus. You were all an anus to start out with. Again. I did not spend three and a half years I can't wait to graduating from Kent State, learning about human sexuality for you two clowns to tell me. I don't think that's right.
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[00:07:40] Speaker A: You cheered it.
That's me. Garbage.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: All right, guys. This week for the Burning River News story of the week. The Ohio State Buckeyes have all over the competition so far in the inaugural 12 team playoff for the college football national championship. And they get a chance continue that this Friday against Texas in the Cotton Bowl. What are your thoughts here?
[00:08:06] Speaker A: We won the inaugural playoff.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: We did, right? Yeah.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: So this just. It just seems fitting that we would win. Full circle, this one again. Yeah. Just because. Just that way, every time they look up the college football history, who was.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: The first one to win the story.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:19] Speaker B: Who's the first one to win it?
[00:08:20] Speaker A: When we started to get things right, like when we did away with the BCS and the rankings and all the garbage computer stuff that we were doing and when we started letting the teams play for themselves, Ohio State Won. And then when we did it again and revamped it made it better. Ohio State won. I mean, it's only. It's only fitting that that should be a part of the story forever.
[00:08:39] Speaker B: Yeah. It's unrelated. We'll get back to the game here in a second. But did you see? Ohio State football was just deemed, like, the most valuable sports quote, unquote franchise in all of college sports.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: Wow. All they do is win.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: I think it was worth, like, 2.7 billion or something like that.
[00:08:58] Speaker C: That's insane.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:00] Speaker C: And I would. I just want to add, like, you. You bring that up, because there's Ohio State fans everywhere. I don't think this is gonna be a home game for Texas.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: No.
[00:09:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Not at all.
[00:09:09] Speaker B: No. I mean, I think. I think. Because it's already down there. Because where's. Where's the cotton ball?
[00:09:13] Speaker C: Actually, it's at and T Stadium, I believe.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: Okay. So, I mean, it is in their home state and everything, but I. I still think it's probably gonna be right around 50. 50.
[00:09:21] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that's just my honest opinion.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: Well, I mean, tickets for those games are expensive, too, so it's like, not everybody. Like, everybody that wants to go doesn't get to go.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:09:30] Speaker C: Right.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It's not like all the. All the fans that live there are just gonna be like, yeah, let me just. Let me just drop a couple hundred bucks.
[00:09:36] Speaker C: I mean, that stadium holds over 100, right?
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Yeah, but a lot of those seats, you know, get picked up by boosters and stuff.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: I'm sure the average price is right around, like, $3,000 or something.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Sure. It's not cheap to get in.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: It's not cheap to go to Jared World anyway.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: No.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: I mean, when you look at just NFL tickets for, like, nosebleed seats, they're like 400 bucks to go there.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Yeah. But I mean, thoughts so far on the. On the play, what Ohio State has been able to accomplish. They rolled over Tennessee, they rolled over Oregon, on to Texas. Now Texas struggled with Arizona State, which Cam Scatter Boo is a great running back. I hope that's somebody the Browns pick up in a later round, but that's a whole different story. It's very impressive, but just, I mean, what. What are you guys thoughts on everything so far? Do you think they're going to complete the task?
[00:10:17] Speaker A: Look, I think we've said all year long, and it wasn't just us. I mean, I think you listen to national pundits and guys. Guys that have been in the room. Guys Like Urban Meyer that came out before the season and said, this is the most talented roster Ohio State's ever had in the history of Ohio State.
And there's talent everywhere on both sides of the ball.
It's really a shame that they lost the game to Oregon the first time around. They shouldn't have lost that game. They were a better football team. Wasn't their night, got caught up in some goofy stuff at the end, but they really shouldn't have been in that position. They were clearly a better football team then and clearly now after that beat down. I mean, that game was over at halftime.
[00:10:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, yeah, you talked about the talent on the roster. I mean, they've got one of the most physically imposing receivers I've ever seen in my entire life. And Jeremiah Smith, like, that dude, he could, he could probably run faster than you, could probably jump higher than you. He's probably stronger than you.
[00:11:14] Speaker A: I don't know if you saw any of the pictures of him from, like, high school. They were floating around, like, during the.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: It's like Nick Chubb stuff like, yeah.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah, dude is just, just a menace.
But look, everybody knows it's going to.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: Him and he still is. Like, I don't, I don't care.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: I mean, I just think you take like Jeremiah Smith even out of the equation and you go, amica. Agbuca is expected to be like a first, second round pick in the NFL draft. Carnell Tate is a good, A good player. He's got size and speed. You look at that backfield with Travion Henderson and Sean Judkins, and I mean, they've got just talent and playmakers all over. That tight end has tremendous speed.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: Henderson's another one that I. Flying under the radar a little bit for the draft. Like, whoever ends up picking him up later in the draft is probably gonna. He's. He's a sleeper for me.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: Well, I think, like, Ohio State was so good this year. They, they suffered from like, you had, you had, you had guys that would have been the ashen Genti of their team all over the field.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: They didn't need them to be.
[00:12:12] Speaker A: So they didn't get the work that a guy like an Ash and Genti gets, right. I mean, if, if Mika Igbuko was on any other team, he's probably the leading receiver in the nation.
You know, Treveon Henderson, I could have had 1800 yards somewhere else, but, like, he just didn't have to. They, they sat in the back half of a lot of games, but I.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Think that's to your point.
You know, I know we talked about this a little bit off the air and he talked about this being the first time that you're able to see a team mature and weather those early losses and even a late loss with the Michigan game and come back and mature at the right time and peak at the right time. And I think that all goes into that. The fact that they're so deep, they have so many great players on this team that they can not necessarily not run Trayvon Henderson into the ground because he got Judkins right behind him, that you just say we just go 50, 50 because.
[00:13:06] Speaker C: And what's the point? We talked a lot about the offense, but the defense has shut down.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:11] Speaker C: I mean, two pretty high profile offense.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: Oregon was one of the top ranked offenses in the entire nation.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: Dylan Gate couldn't do anything.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: No. He was only able to do something when. And you actually, I remember you texted during the game and you were like, we should probably score again. But it was because it just, it just, it just fell in a way where, where they got the ball right before halftime and they happened to finally score and then they scored right after halftime and all of a sudden they reeled off 14 in a row and you're. Or whatever it was and you're like.
[00:13:39] Speaker A: It just felt like they came out so fast.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: But overall, like right after that, the defense shut him down again and it's like he couldn't do anything.
[00:13:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: And I think those guys, think Jack Sawyer and that whole group, I mean they're, they're still so pissed off about the Michigan loss that like they're just ready to run through anyone at this point.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: I think this actually. And as much as I'm, I'm still on the, like, if we don't win a national championship, I still get rid of Ryan Day because he can't beat Michigan.
But I think this speaks to his players and how much they like him and want to play for him.
[00:14:12] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: That after the Michigan game they heard all that chatter and they came out and they said, well, if this is the only way he's going to be able to keep his job, I guess we got to win the whole damn thing.
[00:14:21] Speaker A: So I think college, I think it's, it's. We sometimes think it's. We lose sight of, like it's hard to coach a top program in college football. I mean, Ohio State gets the best players every year and we expect to win.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: Is that fair that you have to expect to win every game?
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Like, I mean Imagine if you were a Virginia Hokies fan, like, pumped to.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: Have our season every year. Yeah.
[00:14:42] Speaker A: I mean, to be what Ryan did.
[00:14:44] Speaker B: It is such an odd dichotomy that Browns fans have, because a lot of Browns fans are Ohio State f. And.
[00:14:50] Speaker A: We expect excellence from one and accept dog shit from the other.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Absolute dog shit. It is weird. Like, I think a lot of Browns fans, to be honest with you, you know, there's a lot of people that are like, ohio State fans are annoying. And I think that's for two reasons. One is because a good chunk of those fans are Browns fans, and they. They have absolutely not. No idea what to do with their hands when they win.
Was. What is this?
So all they do is talk shit. Which is fine. I'm all for talking shit. I think there should be more shit talking in life in general. Like, you close a big deal in sales, you should go talk shit to somebody. Like, yeah, that's right. Suck it.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: Blow your whistle.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: But the other side of it is just. Yeah. I mean, it's like therapy, almost. Like, the Browns fans that are Ohio State fans, it's like, at least I have this to look forward to.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: Instead of what we deal with all the time.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: And I think my point even goes further than that. I mean, I think it's the. The ability to sustain success. And I know Michigan's one thing, but outside of Michigan, Ryan Day wins. Wins and continues to win. Look what happened when Saban left Alabama.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: Grass ain't always greener.
[00:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean.
[00:16:00] Speaker B: I mean, that was a force thing because he retired, obviously. But, like, it's.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: But like, that's a program that in my lifetime, you never. You would never think Alabama's not gonna be in the top five teams in the country. I mean, they. Speaking of Michigan, they also get the best players every year.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: Speaking of Michigan, they lost to Michigan in a ball game, so.
[00:16:17] Speaker A: Right, right. So. But I'm just saying, like, in the same way, Ohio State gets the best recruits, so does Alabama, and it wasn't like their team was lacking for talent this year. But you lose a guy like Saban and you bring in essentially, like, a Ryan Day. Well, Ryan Day was able to sustain what Urban Meyer and that organization to put together. Whereas in Alabama right now, they're proud. They're like, can we get Saban back? Like, what do we do?
[00:16:38] Speaker B: Well, and again, to that point, you go back to when everything came down on Jim Trestle and he had to resign, and then he put Luke Fickle in charge, which Luke Fickle actually Ended up being a really good coach. He coached Cincinnati to national prominence, to be honest with you. But he was 500 at Ohio State. The fall.
[00:16:55] Speaker A: I think it's hard. It's really hard. Like, we just assume it's easy because it's Ohio State, but it really is hard to do that year in and year out. And so it's easy to pick on the Michigan wins here, but Ryan Day is starting to turn now the conversation because the other knock on Ryan Day was he can't win big games. He couldn't win the playoff games.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Won two in a row.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: Now you won two in a row against good teams and there's only good teams left now. So if he wins a national championship, I mean, all of a sudden you're looking at, well, he wins some big games and just. And it's just this Michigan crutch that's like, we gotta get this figured out. But, you know, does it make sense to. To, you know, throw the baby out with the bathwater type deal? Like the guy's 51 and depends who's. Or whatever in the Big Ten. Like.
[00:17:36] Speaker C: All right, well onto that. Looking ahead, who do we want, Penn State or Notre Dame?
[00:17:40] Speaker B: I want Notre Dame just because I want Ohio State to beat them on the biggest stage of them all.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: So I. I second that. This is where he beat Penn State.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Just because I'm not. I'm not afraid of either of those teams, to be honest with you. But I. I want to beat Notre Dame.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: I think it'd be cool to play Notre Dame again because we.
[00:17:55] Speaker A: That.
[00:17:56] Speaker C: That get last time we played them a year or two ago. Came down to the wire. I think it was like last play of the game, we. We scored a touchdown and went ahead. Yeah, it was a good game.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: I'd rather we just win comfortably.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: Doesn't matter.
[00:18:07] Speaker A: Like, I. I want the weakest opponent we can face. Like Penn State. We've before like by the guardians in a playoffs by people are like, no, I want to be the best team. Like bring the Yankee. Bring on the Yankees. Like, no, let's not bring on the Yankees. Like, I'll take Penn State do over and we'll win by.
[00:18:21] Speaker C: I don't see Penn State beating Notre.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: Dame and it'll be fine, I guess.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: Yeah, anything can happen. But.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, welcome to the newly dubbed Ohio State podcast. Yeah, no, I'm just kidding. We're gonna move on here. One more thing before we get to the Browns. Let me remind everybody, call the burning sportscast. Hot take.
Did not get any calls this Week, but it's probably because everybody was just like, it's finally over. Let's just be done with it. Wash hands. But if you have anything to say, this stays up. You can call it at any time.
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[00:18:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know if anybody else's gonna get fired, like, right away, but they're gonna start adding players. Players are gonna start leaving. There's going to be personnel moves all over the board.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: And you know, there's still storylines in the NFL that can impact the Browns or.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: More just in general. Just about the super bowl in the playoffs, you want to. About, you know, Baker having success to be in the three seed in the playoffs on the NFC side now, I mean, there's all still talking about.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: And here's the deal. Just save this number in your phone. If you're ever just drunk and you're like, I just hate the Browns. They just piss me off all the time. Just say, give us a call.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Just call and tell us anything.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
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Right, Bone?
[00:19:55] Speaker C: What's that?
[00:19:56] Speaker A: Do you want to give your thoughts real quick?
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I had an issue. I'll give my thoughts real quick.
Yeah, my daughter got sick. Just like, she had, like a stomach flu. It was just projectile vomiting. You guys don't need to know that. But I'm gonna tell you anyways.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: Dipped out there.
[00:20:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I had.
I had to tend to an emergency situation.
But, yeah, I mean, my thoughts were just this. Like, that. That was a. That was a pro team that was approach. Like, everybody that is in any way tied to the Cleveland Browns and decision making or even playing for that team should just be absolutely embarrassed right now. Like Miles Garrett talking about, you know, I don't want it to end here. I would love to have my whole career be here, but I want a path forward. There is no path forward, Miles. Run. Just get out of here. Like, seriously, go wherever you can. We'll take the picks and that's not because we don't want you. I would absolutely love for you to retire a Cleveland Brown, but I also think that you are not going to win here, no matter what they say. The fact that we're keeping the gm, the fact that we're keeping the head coach after this, I mean, not to mention a guy that hasn't been fired yet, they had a lot to do with it. But was also, as you mentioned in your opening, hired by these two guys is Bubba Ventrone. Our special teams regressed so far. They didn't even look like a real special teams unit the entire season other than Corey Bajoraquez, who's God's gift of punting.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: They were really bad.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: They were really bad. So, yeah, I guess my final thoughts are just expect more of the same next year.
I think we will improve, but it's not really hard to do. We won three games this year.
[00:21:37] Speaker A: I mean, just consider the fact that.
[00:21:40] Speaker B: I don't like quarterbacks coming in the draft. I don't think there's just. There's just nothing to look forward to here. Like, I just. It doesn't matter what happen. And if you do take quarterback or running back, I've said this multiple weeks in a row there, you need offensive linemen. And somebody might retire somebody else. They might like it. Like, what are we going to do? What are we going to do?
[00:21:57] Speaker A: I just consider the fact that this team won three games this year and had all the expectations they had.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: Freddie Kitchens won six and was fired in disgrace.
[00:22:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: You're the worst head coach of all time. And he won twice as many games as this unit this year that was supposed to be a Super bowl contender.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm so sick of the two coach of the year bull crap. Like, I've said it before, I'll say it again. Like the fact that obviously it took a turn at the end of the season here, but the fact that Mike Tomlins never won it before tells me the Coach of the Year doesn't really mean much.
It also, you know, I don't really buy into that because regardless, whatever everybody wants to think, you know, it's all about your. What you actually do and like what you like. Sure, he won those awards and that's great. But overall, he's under.500 now.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: And it's been four years.
Five years. Four years.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: The team is worse off now than it ever happened.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah. And so I don't know how you can make the argument that these guys deserve another year.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:02] Speaker B: And Again, like you said, if it works out and everything comes, you know, everything goes in the right direction and we make playoffs next year, whatever, that's great. We'll let them know they did a great job and cool. But I just really don't see it happening.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: Well, I think there's teams that have bad years. Right. Like, look at. At the San Francisco 49ers this year.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:20] Speaker A: Talented team for whatever reason. And a lot of it was injuries, but, like, just couldn't get it together.
They're capable of winning 12 games next year with the same roster, same coaching staff. They have. Like, they just. It was just a bad year for them.
[00:23:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't see that.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: This. This is not that same scenario. This is. This was an absolute dumpster fire.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:40] Speaker A: Across the board. I mean, hell, you had players that were just like, I'm just not going to play.
[00:23:44] Speaker B: The. The only thing that I am optimistic about going into next year is the.
But even with that optimism comes a lot. A lot of trepidation because you've got. Jok. May never play again. You got Mike Hall Jr. That's now going to be on injured reserve starting next season potentially. I mean, what did it end up being that he got carted off with?
[00:24:03] Speaker A: I don't know if they've said specifically.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: But if it was a serious injury, he's potentially starting next season on ir.
You've got just no depth at linebacker whatsoever. You're talking. Miles Garrett's talking about getting out of here. Like, what. What are you going to do?
[00:24:18] Speaker A: Maybe we should stop because we. From weekly recap to recapping the whole Brown season.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll get back into this. But anyways, let's. Let's move on. Burning Sportscast. Dog of the week.
[00:24:32] Speaker A: Doesn't matter, man. You gotta play tough people in the National Football League. You gotta be ready. And we gotta be the dogs that we are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack and don't stop until we're in that locker room.
[00:24:45] Speaker B: I blame. Just so all our listeners know, I blame. I blame Kenny for that because I was gonna save all of that for our season, and Kenny just brought it out of me right now. So you might have to listen to it again later, getting you ready. But anyways, this week on our live show, we nominated the following Browns players for dog of the Week. I nominated Dustin Hopkins against my will because I wasn't there, and he didn't miss a kick for once. So we went with Dustin Hopkins. I went with Dustin Hopkins One whole.
[00:25:12] Speaker C: Field goal and one extra point.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: Feels fair.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: 100% on the day bone went with Winston Reed for laying the boom a few times.
[00:25:19] Speaker C: Big hits. Big hit.
[00:25:20] Speaker B: That's a big dude. That's a really big dude.
[00:25:23] Speaker A: Mean dude. That's for sure.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And then Kenny. Kenny nominated Browns fans everywhere for putting up with this garbage all season long. So after the fan vote that was conducted on our socials this week, the Burning river sportscast dog of the week is Browns fans everywhere.
All right, so let's. Let's just reel off some stats for the Browns fans this year. Games watched, 17 wins, witnessed three beers, consume 3.7 billion.
That's with a B days depressed. 118. In case anyone was wondering what the significance is, that's opening day until closing day. So it's 118 days.
And is it worth it in quotations? How many times did you ask yourself, is it worth it? Can't count that high. So.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: And the answer is always yes.
Yeah.
[00:26:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Just keep coming back for more.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: We do. Yeah. I'm not gonna. Yeah. I'm excited for next season. Even though I don't expect much to change. I'm excited to see where life may take us, I guess I'm gonna say.
[00:26:30] Speaker A: For next season to end so we can get some real change.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I like that. But that's a long way off. But in other Browns news. Oh, so. So once again, Browns fans everywhere give ourselves a round of applause.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: Hell of a season.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: Dog of the week.
[00:26:45] Speaker C: You did it again.
[00:26:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. In other Browns news here, Browns have officially earned the number two pick in the 2025 NFL Draft after the Patriots won this week, I believe, against the Bills.
Bills sat everybody and the Patriots were able to beat their backups.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Well, and we needed the Titans to beat the Texans, I believe, to get the number one pick. And the Texans won.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: No thanks to Will Levis and crew there in Tennessee who fumbled the ball like they were up, I think 14 to 6 at one point there and late in the game and then he put the ball on the ground and.
[00:27:17] Speaker B: Way to go, idiot.
[00:27:18] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So number two pick in the 2012, 2025 NFL Draft. And then also it was black Sunday and Monday this week.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: So weird because the schedule gets all goofed up at the end of the season. Yeah.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah. But so with that, we're just going to do Browns coaches this time through. We're not going to do the entire entire NFL, but Ken Dorsey, fire.
Andy Dickerson, fire.
Will there be more? Hopefully, I hope so. I hope I hope Bubba Ventrone goes. I can't believe that you took that far of a step back and you're not getting rid of Bubba Ventrone. Like, that's just mind boggling to me.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: Yeah, very odd. I mean, there was nothing good about the special teams all year long.
[00:28:04] Speaker B: No Dustin Hopkins. Is there an opposite of comeback player of the year? Cause that's Dustin Hopkins.
[00:28:11] Speaker C: Regressed player down, player of the year, team deficit of the year, human reign.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: Delay of the year.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah. So I. I just don't know how he doesn't lose his job and I don't know how he hasn't already, but. What are you gonna do?
[00:28:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, like I said in my open, though, the Ken Dorsey thing really bothers me because I just don't know.
I mean, outside of Stefanski and Barry trying to prove once and for all that Kevin should be the play caller, which again, like, there's gotta be other ways to conversation internally than to just be like, well, you know what?
[00:28:45] Speaker B: Here's the deal.
[00:28:46] Speaker A: You're.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: You're an NFL organization. If the fans crying bothers you that much, what are you doing in that position?
[00:28:53] Speaker A: Right?
So it just, it just doesn't make any sense.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: Like, here's one thing. We're Browns fans, We're annoying as hell. I get it. We want this, that whatever, all at the. We want it right now. And I'm the same way. I was calling for Kevin Stefanski to give up play calls as well. But the grass we. This is the second time I've said this during this episode, is the grass ain't always greener. And like, Well, I always say, if.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: There'S grass on the field, play ball.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:18] Speaker C: Obviously he has always said that.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: But Ken Dorsey, like, it was a huge, like, obviously if you're not wanting Kevin Stavisky to call plays again, like, you got problems.
[00:29:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I just. I don't know. It's one of those things where if you're looking at the guy and you're like, whatever we did isn't working, you don't give him more authority and more power. I mean, you go the other direction. You say like, ken, we tried to thing, and it's like, it's really bad. It's not working the way, like, we got to retool this immediately.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: And instead they went the other direction and said, well, you know what, Ken? You just, you just handle it makes no sense.
[00:29:59] Speaker B: Guys, I'm just watching Al Borland sell me the Copper Bullet over here, and it's fantastic.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: Al Borland's on my list of gassed ups.
Yeah, because I'll tell you why this is mini gassed up in the middle of this segment because there was a. There was a commercial Al Borland was on recently and he was like. Like, I bet you think I could fix anything. I'm like, no, you're a TV actor. You're not an actual handyman.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: Just cuz you were once. Does it in a TV show.
I played one on TV once.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: Like, no, I don't think you could fix anything. El Borland, you clown.
God, I was so mad when I saw that commercial.
[00:30:35] Speaker B: Well, now he's trying to sell me the copper bullet, so. Which is a hose in case anyways. But yeah, I just.
I wouldn't give Ken Dorsey the keys to the. To the. To the. To the whole thing whenever I'm giving.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: The keys to anything.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Why.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: But why I wouldn't give him the keys to my trigger.
[00:30:54] Speaker C: He had to turn in a set of keys. Guys.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: Yeah, don't worry. Hey, hey, look, look, I'm just breaking the fourth wall a little bit here, but we're watching. I guess it's not breaking the fourth wall, but letting you guys know what we're doing. We're. We're watching the Cavs here in a second. So. That's a good team. Oh, yeah, that's a good team.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: They're pretty good.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. But anyways, next up here, Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson suffered a setback in his recovery from his torn Achilles. Yeah, it's a cheer.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Sorry. It's an injury that's a bad thing.
[00:31:18] Speaker B: The team confirmed that they were informed on Sunday. No news on the updated timeline for his return after the setback.
Couple things here. One, further proof that desean Watson will never take a snap for the Browns again.
2. Real convenient that right after you locked up the number two pick all of a sudden, oh, we just found out that DeSean Watson had a setback.
[00:31:39] Speaker C: Has been a major setback.
[00:31:41] Speaker B: Yeah, he could have. So, I mean, I guess it begs the question, who found out first?
[00:31:45] Speaker C: Well, Barry also said that the quarterback room will look different next year.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:31:49] Speaker C: He flat out said that.
[00:31:50] Speaker A: They asked him specifically about the injury and he said that. I wouldn't say it has any significant impact at all. That the reality is the room will look different next year.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: That's fair. But I will say this. Just. Just the timing of it all begs the question, who found out first? Deshaun Watson or Andrew Barry?
[00:32:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, fair enough. Jokes aside, though, it's like finally Like Andrew Barry. Okay. Like, good job, Andrew. You figured. You figured it took this long to figure it out? Like, all right. I mean, at least they're on the right path now, guys.
[00:32:16] Speaker C: Finally, they figured it out.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: $230 million later and six draft picks later.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Good news for the Cleveland Browns. They can get $44.3 million back in insurance if he can't play in 2025. Does absolutely nothing for the salary cap, but it at least helps the Browns.
[00:32:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:34] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Put more money in Jimmy's pocket.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: More rebates.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: Love that back.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: I mean, the. The best case scenario here is the doctors get to a point where, like, they're like, you're Achilles a shot, and he just has to retire. Yeah, I mean, like, I just. I just. I want to be done having the DeShawn conversation. Like, as long as he's on the team, there's always a possibility that he could suit up, and I just can't handle that.
[00:32:59] Speaker B: Well, if nothing else, he's going to be the backup. And if your guy gets hurt emotionally.
[00:33:02] Speaker A: Right back, like, it makes me ill. I just want to be done with desean.
[00:33:07] Speaker B: Well, hopefully with this news, it's just PUP list the entire year for him next year.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: And look, I mean, the Broncos did it with Russell, right? It wasn't a fit. We had to get rid of the toxic cult. We had to fix whatever was wrong with the. The locker room, ship them out. Be done with it. Eat it. Eat it. Be done with it. You screwed up. Figure out a path forward without him.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. And there's so much to be said about the fact, like, is it actually more damage to the organization by keeping him on and eating less money than getting the dead cap hit and just destroying the culture because he's just in the building and he's a complete cancer. If. If anybody out there doesn't believe that Deshaun Watson is a cancer at this point to the. How many guys this whole time? Couple things. How many guys this whole time that he's been out have come out and talked about how great he is and how good of a teammate he is and how they want him back and how, you know, they just can't. Can't wait to see him in the building again?
[00:34:00] Speaker A: How many times did he have a single tweet, like, supporting the guys in the off.
[00:34:05] Speaker B: That was the other side of mine is he didn't show any support for anybody.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: I haven't seen a single tweet or single video from him going rehab Is really tough, but I'm gonna come back better than ever. Like, no, What I keep seeing is him on the beach with his girlfriend Jilly having a good time. Yeah, that's it.
[00:34:22] Speaker C: What was today? He was dancing on the street or something, putting out TikToks.
[00:34:27] Speaker B: He's always putting out Instagram reels and whatever else. That's all they do.
[00:34:31] Speaker C: Apparently. He was out there dancing. Then he comes out there and says, oh, there's a setback with this tourniquet Achilles. But he's dancing in the middle there.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: He's the worst. He's the worst. But yeah, I just.
Nobody's gonna miss him. Just get rid of him. No, it's just harming the culture at this point. Whatever shred of culture you have left, that was established when they turned this thing around for a year.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: Well, here's the problem, right? It's the same problem as Stefanski and Andrew Barry still being employed by the Hazma Sports Group. They're hanging on to this shred of we can turn this around somehow in the next year by keeping DeSean on the roster and pushing out the cap. And we can. We'll have some extra money instead of just eating it and be done with it and then moving, turning it. Move on to whatever's next and realizing the next year or two might hurt. Like, we're going to keep kicking and what we're going to do is to make the next five years hurt because we can't turn the page on desean and just be done with it.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: You know what I say to guys like Deshaun Watson in the locker room room? Fm F them all?
Yeah, get rid of his ass.
[00:35:35] Speaker A: He tried that once.
[00:35:40] Speaker B: No way. In case anyone didn't notice the the when we did dog of the week, the Browns fan was holding a sign that said, when did Browns fans get a happy ending?
Yeah, good jokes. But anyways, final thing for Browns news here. Brown's opponents for 2025 have been released.
Just give me a quick win or lose just as fast as you can. As I'm. As I'm naming these off so home games next year. Bills, packers loss. Dolphins loss. Vikings loss. 49ers loss. Titans win.
[00:36:13] Speaker A: Win.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: Ravens loss.
[00:36:15] Speaker C: Loss.
[00:36:15] Speaker B: Bengals wins. Steelers loss.
[00:36:18] Speaker C: Loss.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: So we're at one one, two wins.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: One win, one win at home, one.
[00:36:23] Speaker B: Win at home and two wins at home.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I know the division games are the division games, but I just. Those all three teams are so much better than us right now.
[00:36:30] Speaker B: So we're one and two wins Respectively. Out of you two, though, away games, which a fun note, nine home games, eight away games next year. So that's cool. Away games, Bears win, Lions loss. Raiders loss.
[00:36:44] Speaker C: Patriots win, win. Jets win, win.
[00:36:48] Speaker B: Ravens, Bengals loss, Steelers loss. So I think you both had three there. So we got four wins and five wins total. Is that right?
[00:36:57] Speaker A: Next year is going to be excellent, boys.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's what we got to look forward to.
[00:37:01] Speaker C: Make note of this.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: Whoa, whoa.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: What' Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time for the Burning river throwdown. Ho down.
All right, guys. All right, that's. That's enough. That's enough. Throwing down the hoedown.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: Should make a note that if you're driving, keep your hands on the wheel. Keep your hands at least on the wheel.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: Yeah, we're talking to you, father in law, Kenny Thunder.
[00:37:46] Speaker A: Make sure you don't. You're, you know, still obeying all traffic laws. Yeah, you could dance in your seat.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, give us some head nods or something. Yeah, yeah. Next up here, the division roundup.
Roundup, Roundup. Roundup.
This is the division round.
All right, guys, Only two games this week. The Bengals went into Pittsburgh and tried to do the unthinkable. And they. They did their part. They won a hard fought game against the Steelers 19 to 17, handing Pittsburgh their fourth straight loss.
But unfortunately, they didn't get help elsewhere. So the Bengals are out. But I was right.
Bone was right, Kenny.
[00:38:33] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, I would have picked these games differently. I was picking to not lose the King of the North.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: So you were wrong. And obviously the Browns lost to the Ravens. Obviously, obviously. Because who would pick the Browns? Me and Bone were right, Kenny.
[00:38:48] Speaker A: I picked the Browns because I had to.
[00:38:53] Speaker B: So for the AFC north, the final standings are as follows. Baltimore wins the division at 12 and 5. Pittsburgh second place at 10 and 7. Cincinnati at 9 and 8 and out of the playoffs. And Cleveland, they were right behind everybody at 3 and 14.
[00:39:10] Speaker C: 14.
[00:39:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:11] Speaker C: So number two pick overall, heartbreaking season.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And then current King of the north standings. Final King of the north standings. Bone, 37 and 19. We'll get into King of the north later and do all the. All the ceremonial things we need to do. I came in second at 32 and 24.
And then. Kenny, you stayed. You stayed at 500 at least. But. But you lost again. 28 and 28. So thank you.
We'll get. We'll come back to that. But next up, we got a quick trip around the NFL.
All right, so for this edition of around the NFL, I just have One story for you.
There's a lot of things we can talk about around the NFL, but the Browns are done playing and we're going to keep this show pretty short. So short as possible. Mike Evans hit the thousand yard mark on the final play of the Buccaneers game. He tied Jerry Rice's record for most thousand yard seasons in a row.
And I know some people had some thoughts on this, right?
[00:40:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
I mean, not even me in particular, but I just noticed that there were a few folks that were not okay with how that went down or felt like it was somehow an injustice to the Rice record, given that the game was essentially over, even though it was only a one score game at that point with about 35 seconds left. And everyone knew and in the stadium that Mike Evans needed five yards to keep the streak alive. Five Fair. And they kind of ran a little push on an out route to Mike Evans, who was allowed to kind of gallop forward for Raider. Nine yards there on that final play to make sure he hit the thousand yards and got finished with what, 1,003 roster bonus? Thousand two or three. Yeah, something like that. Yeah.
Saying he had eight, eight or nine yards on that last play. So, yeah, I just know, I don't know, like Dave Portnoy was one in particular that kind of came out right away and was like, I don't know that I can look at this in the same way as I look at the Jerry Rice record because.
[00:41:28] Speaker B: Well, first of all, Portnoy can suck it because he roots for that team.
[00:41:31] Speaker A: Up north, because no one let Jerry Rice have 5 yards on the final play of the game, which I don't know. I mean, it was, it was, it was worth the conversation. I thought just given that Jerry Rice did it in 16 games. There was, there was no, no gentlemanly sportsmanship that allowed Rice to continue his streaks. I mean, he was, he was just over just by the nature of playing the game.
And truthfully, like, look, these are NFL defensive backs. Everyone knew they were going to throw the ball to Mike Evans and they could have just crashed Mike Evans with three defensive backs and he wouldn't have caught the ball. Yeah, they could have prevented it if they wanted to.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: And that's all fair. I know.
In my opinion it's still pretty legitimate because he did it without playing like five games here or whatever. He played because of injury. So true. It's just like, I get it, I get the argument and. But I'm.
[00:42:26] Speaker C: And he's also done it for 10 years straight.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: 11 now, right?
[00:42:29] Speaker A: 11.
[00:42:29] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying, to get the 11th, this. He was five yards away. Like, big freaking deal that he got. I'm like, is Jerry Rice ever had any garbage town, garbage time yards in his career? I'm sure he has.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: It's like, well, I just kind of look at it like this too, is like they still got the win. Like, if, if you would have been going for this because they were up seven, they could have just knelt the ball and, and ended the game if they would have went for this. Like, somehow I got like pick six and then all of a sudden it's.
[00:42:54] Speaker A: Like, well, and that's what I'm saying. Like, honestly was a one score game and they could have, they could have pressed the issue, but there was obviously some sportsman like, like, gentlemen.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: I almost wish they would have been playing one of their rivals so that they're. They would have been like, no, we're doing everything we can. We're selling out on this, not letting this guy.
[00:43:11] Speaker C: I almost feel like a better argument for Dave Port and I would have been like, well, look at Satan Saquon. He sat the game and he had the, whatever the rushing title with Eric Dickerson or whatever.
[00:43:20] Speaker B: Oh, he probably would have got it. Yeah.
[00:43:21] Speaker C: And that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like that's even a bigger deal.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: Oh, much better.
[00:43:25] Speaker C: But I don't, I don't know, you know, I mean, it's just like a, a contrast to records and stuff that.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: You'Re saying that should have been Portnoy's argument is like, I think that would.
[00:43:33] Speaker C: Have been a better, better thing.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Like this guy, because he's just, he's all about the team and whatever.
[00:43:38] Speaker C: Like, I don't know, like, he said probably a whole.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: Mike Evans should have just taken his, his L and been like, he didn't get it, but we won, so it doesn't matter.
[00:43:45] Speaker A: And as a fan, I think those are one of the things that, like, you love a guy like Baker for, because, you know, Baker was like, I got to get this done for my guy. Exactly. I mean, it was very clear that he was trying to, especially in that last drive, trying to force the ball to him any chance that they could.
[00:43:58] Speaker C: And even watching that, like, I watched it on Sunday, whatever came on, because it was a later game or whatever, but it was kind of cool to watch.
[00:44:06] Speaker A: It was cool. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a moment in history, right? I mean, yeah, that part of it was awesome. Mike Evans still has a lot of.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: Good football ahead of him anytime Anybody gets mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice, that's a big deal.
[00:44:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, if he has three or four more of these and he ends his career with 14, 15 straight thousand yard seasons, I mean, I guess. Does anybody remember this one particularly that kept the streak alive? I don't know. Maybe they do, but.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, but that's, that's it for around the NFL. Like I said, keeping it short and sweet. Next up here we got our hat three.
[00:45:05] Speaker A: Gil. Just Alexander.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:08] Speaker C: Is he a young dude? I don't know.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: He's really, he's really, he's like third year, fourth year, but he's, he's like the guy in the, in the NBA right now.
[00:45:15] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: Him and Edwards up in Minnesota.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, guys. This week in honor of the Browns starting their 40th. Yes. 40th quarterback since 1999.
[00:45:27] Speaker A: God, that sounds like a joke.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: It's not. It's not a joke.
We are going to do our hot three worst Browns quarterbacks since 1999. We were going to do best, but didn't make a whole lot of sense because there's not a lot of good ones. So we're going to do hot three worst Browns quarterbacks 19.
[00:45:44] Speaker A: Just thinking about best real quick. I mean, like, who do you, who do you.
[00:45:48] Speaker B: I mean Joe Flago, Joe Flacco, Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield.
[00:45:54] Speaker C: Joe Couch.
[00:45:55] Speaker B: Tim Couch.
[00:45:56] Speaker A: I mean, is that the. We wouldn't. Joe Flago, with five starts on the list with, with the two guys that have started the most games in Brown's history.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: That dude threw for like 2700 yards in five games.
[00:46:06] Speaker A: So I mean, look, I get it.
[00:46:08] Speaker B: That's a little, that's a little high. He threw for a lot of yards in five games. Games.
[00:46:12] Speaker A: But either he played in five games.
[00:46:15] Speaker B: I mean, it was, it was really.
[00:46:16] Speaker C: Really good quarterback play.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
He went on an unprecedented run that's never been seen.
[00:46:22] Speaker C: I mean, we got very little to like to go on here.
[00:46:25] Speaker A: How about Derek Anderson?
[00:46:26] Speaker B: Derek Anderson would probably be the next game.
[00:46:28] Speaker C: That's a good point.
[00:46:29] Speaker B: Derek Anderson would be the other one. I mean, him and Cole McCoy had.
[00:46:32] Speaker A: Some signature wins in his time.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: The best thing that Colt McCoy. The best thing that Colt McCoy ever did here was in three of or in two of his first five games he beat like the, the teams that went to the super bowl the previous year. Yeah. And it was awesome.
[00:46:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:49] Speaker B: But after that he just got hit a lot.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: But at least he has some, some staying power is my thing. It's like he started 20 or so games. I mean, Joe Flacco started five games.
[00:46:58] Speaker C: Brian Hoyer had a few.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: Isn't that good that. That should.
[00:47:02] Speaker A: That.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: That whole sentence you just said tells you exactly everything you need to know about Browns and quarterbacks is. You said he played 20, 20 some games and had staying power. A season and a half is staying power in Cleveland.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: I think that puts him one and.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: A half seasons is staying power since 99.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: I think he has started the fourth most games in Brown's history since 99.
[00:47:23] Speaker B: Joe Flacco, McCoy, a season and a half though, is staying power in Cleveland.
[00:47:29] Speaker A: And Charlie Fry is right behind him at like 19 games.
[00:47:32] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That's wild.
[00:47:34] Speaker B: Again, that just sums it all up.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: Since. Anyways, since the Browns have come back. One final point. Since the Browns have come back in 99, you had two quarterbacks play a full season.
Tim Couch in 2001, Baker Mayfield in 19 and 20. Wow.
[00:47:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: Every year of the year we've started multiple quarterbacks during the season. Sometimes five, sometimes five, sometimes five.
[00:47:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know what the Browns do. But anyways, I'll go first. Number three on my list. And mind you, this isn't all statistically based. Also, I took into account. You guys, take it into account whatever you want, but I took into account things like how it affected the overall team, the organization, things like that. So number three for me, Johnny Manziel.
One, he wasn't very good. Two, it completely wrecked the credibility of our new owners.
[00:48:29] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:48:31] Speaker B: Three, it set us back a while, like everything else that we do.
And four, just all I have to say, what was, what was his. His. The disguise in Las Vegas? Like, that's Billy Manziel. Yeah, Billy. That's. That's it.
So Johnny Manzel, number three for me. Number two, DeSean Watson.
Just the contract and everything else. The fact, and I'll say this like I understand desean Watson put up at least a little bit of stats here.
The amount of talent that he had on his team and still fail, failed is just mind boggling.
And this is another indictment on Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry and, and you know, whatever. But yeah, the fact that he had so much around him and did nothing with it and being guaranteed that contract is just all, all bad.
[00:49:25] Speaker A: I mean, I agree with a lot of that. I just, I have a hard time with statistically, the dude's positive touchdowns interception ratio was won nine games as a Starting quarterback back. That's a lot more than we can say for the other 40, the other 39 guys.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: Hey, that's, that's fine. I just, again, I take into account a lot of things besides just what happened on the field like some of these guys. And I know one that's going to come up in probably both of yours. Deshaun Kaiser, who was 0 and 16. DeShawn Kaiser, though, had nothing around him. Literally nothing. Those teams were bad.
[00:49:57] Speaker A: I just. When you look at all time Browns passers ever, ever.
[00:50:01] Speaker B: I'm just.
[00:50:01] Speaker A: He's like 19th on the list in yards.
[00:50:03] Speaker B: That's fine. That's fine. I still rank him as number two.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: Worst.
[00:50:08] Speaker B: Since 1999 and number one DTR. He's. Listen, this is, this is a statistical thing. He's literally statistically the worst quarterback in NFL history. So he has to be the worst Browns quarterback because he's the worst quarterback ever out of any quarterbacks on any team ever.
[00:50:28] Speaker A: He's not good.
[00:50:29] Speaker B: So it's dtr.
[00:50:31] Speaker A: Well, and by that I mean you. I mean for touchdown, touchdown, interception ratio.
[00:50:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:38] Speaker A: So yeah, it's. It's not good.
[00:50:40] Speaker B: No, he's really bad.
[00:50:41] Speaker A: That's for sure.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: He's worse. He shouldn't be in the NFL. And with that bone hot. Three.
[00:50:47] Speaker C: All right.
[00:50:47] Speaker B: Worst quarterbacks since 1999 for the Cleveland Browns.
[00:50:50] Speaker C: I am kind of changing up. At first I was kind of picking quarterbacks who had like, I don't know, over eight starts, but I don't think dtr. Does he even have eight starts?
[00:50:57] Speaker B: No, he's got like six.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: I think five.
[00:50:59] Speaker C: Well, I'm still gonna throw him on the list at some point. Point. But that made me change another quarterback that I was going to add. So I'm going to start with P.J. walker.
He was atrocious last year, yet somehow with our defense, he won a few games. But like in. Despite of everything he did, like, I feel like he turned the ball over four or five times a game. He couldn't throw the ball downfield as a few of these other guys cannot do.
And he was just, he was rough. He was rough to watch.
[00:51:25] Speaker B: And real quick you made a good point. Like the whole desean Watson thing and his record and whatever else. Deshaun Watson also won a lot of games because of his defense, not because he was any good, but anyways, yeah.
[00:51:37] Speaker A: I, I mean, I agree. The Brown look, I don't like Deshaun.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: You love Deshaun Watson.
More, More reasons for.
I'm ignoring you.
[00:51:46] Speaker C: And then I am going to add to Sean Kaiser because he just went 0 and 16.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: Number two.
[00:51:50] Speaker C: Yeah. And he was a second round pick. 0 and 15. Sorry. Yeah, he was a second round pick. I know he wasn't a first round pick, but he's still second round pick. And there's a little hype about him. Not as much as Brady Quinn. We kind of talking about that earlier. Brady Quinn was pretty, pretty bad too. And then number one is dtr.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: So awful.
[00:52:09] Speaker C: He's so bad he just couldn't read a defense. He just didn't belong on an NFL team.
[00:52:13] Speaker B: Literally anytime that guy's on the field, you just know you're not scoring. Yeah.
[00:52:18] Speaker C: So he was really bad.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with that. Kenny. Hot three worst quarterbacks since 1999 for the Browns.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: Yeah, look, this is hard. I mean obviously there's 40 choices.
[00:52:28] Speaker B: So many. And, and out of those 40, like 34 of them are bad.
[00:52:32] Speaker A: And out of those 40 other 34 of bad. And it's just like different levels of bad because.
[00:52:36] Speaker C: Right, right.
[00:52:37] Speaker A: You almost have to look at the guys like Austin Davis, Kevin Hogan, like.
[00:52:42] Speaker B: The played one game.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: You guys have played in one game. Jeff Driscoll, like even like Spurgeon Wynn was like a guy that like had some hype about him like being like coming into the Browns, but played in one game like he was really bad. So it's hard. You almost have to like rid yourself just of those names. It's funny, like if you look at the Browns all time leading passers, like a lot of those guys, guys like PJ Walker's one of them. Kevin, Kevin Hogan, like they're listed behind guys that like, like running backs on the team, like Greg Pruitt that have thrown like for a few touchdowns on like 20 passes in their career. So you know, Jeff Driscoll, Nick Mullins, all those guys, like they're, they're. I, I don't know how you rate them.
[00:53:25] Speaker B: Sure, they're all really bad backups. They're all just, they're all just in a category together.
[00:53:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So I kind of tried to go with guys that either played in more games than one and, or had some kind of like. Because the other thing is too is like what did Kevin Hogan cost the Browns? Like that's a guy that's coming in making no money.
So I'm gonna go start my list. I'll start with number three, Jake Delholm. Oh, that was the year the Browns had some, some hype and expectation.
I thought Jake Delhome was going to Come in and be the starter. Got a high ankle sprain in camp after winning the job right before the season started and played through it. Played in four games as a Brown. Two touchdowns, seven picks, 800 yards.
He was bad on a two year contract.
[00:54:14] Speaker C: Just hobbling around.
[00:54:16] Speaker A: I mean he was just really, really awful.
Number two. I'm going to, I'm going to argue with you on DTR being the worst quarterback of all time because our good friend Ken Dorsey. His career statistics for the Brown. Brown.
[00:54:31] Speaker C: That's a good point.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: 43 for 92. That's a completion percentage of 46.7%. 370 yards, zero touchdowns to seven interceptions. So DTR at least threw one. So he's got a positive number in the touchdown to interception ratio making him the worst quarterback of. So.
[00:54:53] Speaker B: So Ken Dorsey, he probably didn't qualify because it wasn't.
[00:54:57] Speaker A: He must not qualify because he was only.03. He wasn't. He didn't play in five games. So if the minimum five games.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: Man, you really. On Ken Dorsey earlier, you're like you're a sympathizer now. There's absolutely no love lost. This guy's the worst.
[00:55:10] Speaker A: And Ken Dorsey played for one of the greatest college football programs of all time. Not that he was the highly, most highly touted quarterback, but that was a guy that, you know, probably should have done more with his naval career than he did. Yeah. With the Browns. Finished with a 26.4 quarterback rating.
[00:55:28] Speaker B: That's pretty good.
[00:55:29] Speaker A: It's not good at all.
[00:55:30] Speaker B: Number one.
[00:55:31] Speaker A: And number one has to be DDR. He's the worst I've ever seen. He's so bad. He's unwatchable.
[00:55:38] Speaker B: After all that you just go back to DTR is the worst.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: He's so bad.
[00:55:42] Speaker B: You just told me. No, Ken Dorsey's the worst in the history of the NFL. But DTR is worse than he is.
[00:55:47] Speaker A: Get a first down. I mean, if it weren't for his legs, like this offense would have moved nowhere at all. Like as a passer.
[00:55:53] Speaker B: What a turn of events. The worst.
[00:55:55] Speaker A: And I feel bad for him because he seems like a genuinely nice kid, but just the worst Browns quarterback that I've ever seen in my life.
[00:56:02] Speaker B: That's fair. We can all agree.
[00:56:03] Speaker A: And I hate to be like prisoner of the moment, but like he really is that bad. Really is that bad.
[00:56:07] Speaker B: Yeah. But it sucks because there was some hope for him after his rookie like camp and everything else.
[00:56:12] Speaker A: And just a guy that doesn't deserve to be in the NFL.
[00:56:15] Speaker B: No, it's Just sorry. Dtr.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: Like go do something else.
[00:56:19] Speaker C: Sorry, man.
[00:56:19] Speaker A: You're an embarrassment.
[00:56:20] Speaker C: Everybody says you're great, kid.
[00:56:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I believe.
[00:56:22] Speaker B: Keep doing good things.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: Keep doing good things.
[00:56:24] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Football ain't it.
[00:56:25] Speaker B: You got a four year contract out of the Brown, so.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:56:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:56:28] Speaker A: Hopefully he's invested that money wisely and you don't ever have to work too hard.
[00:56:31] Speaker B: Yep. But that'll do it for the hot three. Let's go ahead and take a quick revenue break and then get back here and recap this show of a Cleveland Brown season.
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All right, guys.
It's the moment I've been dreading this entire show. You got me started on a little bit earlier. So we were premature. Story of my life.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: True.
[00:57:35] Speaker B: But no, I, I.
Let's just get into it. The Brown season recap.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: Are you asking me it was really bad.
[00:57:46] Speaker B: Oh, no. I was leaving room for a sounder.
[00:57:47] Speaker A: Oh, I don't think we have one. That's how bad it was.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we got into it a little bit earlier, but, but yeah, just top to bottom. Like what, what is there good to say about this team this year? Seriously?
[00:58:03] Speaker C: Literally nothing. Most depressing Brown season I've ever been a part of.
[00:58:06] Speaker B: And we've talked about this a lot this season, hands down is, and it was, it was validating to hear it straight from Miles Garrett this week. Say, no. This was worse than Owen 16. Because of the expectations, because of what we knew we were capable of this year and what transpired. This was by far the worst Brown season he's been a part of.
[00:58:26] Speaker A: And it started week one.
[00:58:28] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:58:28] Speaker A: I mean, you knew watching that Cowboys game how bad this team looked.
[00:58:32] Speaker B: Oh, instantly just smashed your expectations. Like you came in, you're like, yeah, the Browns are going to be good this year. They proceed to lose by what, 26 or 25 or whatever it was the.
[00:58:41] Speaker A: First week and it was really bad.
[00:58:43] Speaker C: Dreadful.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: And it just continued all season long.
[00:58:47] Speaker B: And, and the crazy Part is like the, the, the number one thing that we, we had an issue with all season long was the offense, right?
And like, how you can see that from the rip, like, as soon as they stepped on the field against the Cowboys, they could not move the ball. And you don't. Not only do you not fire Ken Dorsey midseason, you give him the key and you say, you call all the plays now because your offense is fucking great.
[00:59:14] Speaker A: Well, that's why you look at other organizations and other organizations fired head coaches, fired coordinators during the season when things weren't working. They get rid of them.
[00:59:23] Speaker B: That's what you do.
[00:59:24] Speaker A: That's what you do. And it doesn't. You don't, you don't just keep pushing.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: You're paying to do a job in the NFL. And I'm not saying, like, I'm not a big fan of this. There should be some sort of loose plan in place of, like, you have this long to get it right. But when things are that dismal, with as much talent as you had on the offensive side of the ball, you need to sometimes pivot as an organization in the NFL and say, this was the wrong move and you get rid of a guy like Ken Dorsey and.
[00:59:52] Speaker A: I'll even go back further. I mean, go back to the preseason. We said all preseason this team didn't look like he was even interested in playing football. And then it just carried right over into the regular season and then both units were impacted early on. The defense got their shit together the last probably six weeks of the year and looked like an NFL defense, defense again. But, but honestly, I mean, it just bled over. And this whole year, yeah, was just a poor effort, poorly coached, bad decisions. I mean, pre snap penalties, anything that could go wrong as a football team, anything that you don't want to happen, that you don't want to do. It's. It's like the Browns had the manual for that and they were like, let's do that. Yeah, let's do all things you're not.
[01:00:30] Speaker B: Supposed to do and see if seriously, at every turn. I, I can't tell you how many times this year I thought to myself, what are we doing?
Like during games, after games, before games, what are we doing?
And nobody had the answers to that. Nobody.
[01:00:45] Speaker A: You couldn't run the ball all year.
[01:00:46] Speaker B: Long, couldn't run the ball. Your, your offensive line was shit from the get go. You couldn't run the ball. You could have passed the ball. You couldn't stop anybody for the first half of the season on Defense, like that's the one thing I will say is the defense got their shit together the second half of the season.
[01:01:00] Speaker A: And I think the other encouraging thing too about the defense, especially going into next year is you look at this defense and the guys that stepped up on this defense were guys that you necessarily wouldn't expect. It was guys like Winston Reed. It was guys like Mahmoud Dibati that were.
[01:01:17] Speaker B: Ronnie Hickman, I thought played really well most of the season.
[01:01:20] Speaker A: Devin Bush had some nice games, you know, kind of a resurgence in his career. So it wasn't just led by the guys that like Miles and Denzel and some of these guys that you expect that are good players. It was some young guys, some no name guys that were taking advantage of opportunities that, that helped, you know, keep this, keep, keep games competitive at least by not giving up 60 points a game they, you know, we're working really hard to give up 25.
[01:01:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we mentioned, you mentioned some of the players in the secondary just now, just all along defense. But here's my question. Who's the next free safety that we're going to give multi year, multimillion dollar contract to? And he's going to come out and be ass.
Yeah, I'm not bringing the honey badger. I'm talking to you, Juan Thornhill like and whoever the was. Like that's how much I don't remember is because he was so bad. Like what?
[01:02:12] Speaker A: Yeah, and obviously Rodney McLeod's gonna retire Mike something.
[01:02:16] Speaker C: Johnson. Who was the guy?
[01:02:18] Speaker A: The guy. Troy from la.
Yeah, Troy.
Troy, right.
[01:02:27] Speaker C: Can't remember.
[01:02:28] Speaker B: Keep going.
[01:02:28] Speaker A: I'll find it either way, look. So there is some hope left on that defense going into next year. I think there's some young talent on this, that team.
[01:02:37] Speaker C: John Johnson.
[01:02:38] Speaker A: Have some. John Johnson.
[01:02:39] Speaker B: We should have known. This is the easiest name ever.
[01:02:41] Speaker A: Troy. There was another one though too that came over from LA with him. And was it Troy Hill?
[01:02:48] Speaker B: I don't know.
[01:02:50] Speaker A: But he went back to LA after his first year in the Browns and so I think there are some, some building blocks on that defense. There's some optimism there. Obviously they're keeping Barry intact, Stefanski intact, which means hopefully Jim Schwartz will be back again. And that's maybe the one good thing that comes out of keeping this unit together is you don't lose Jim Schwartz this year.
But honestly, I just don't know how you go about fixing this offense because we talked about it during the game recap on Saturday night. It's like if you look at this offensive line and you start there and you look at a guy like Joel Petonio, who's a Hall of Famer. If he wants to come back next year, you're probably letting him.
[01:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, he's.
[01:03:36] Speaker A: You probably think he has enough gas in the tank still. You look at a guy like Wyatt Teller and you think he's probably a guy that even if you were going to trade him, you'd expect some decent capital back on. Like, he's not terrible.
Conklin. His biggest bugaboo has been the fact that he hasn't been on the field well. He played like the last 14 weeks in a row. So, you know, and he got a big contract.
[01:03:57] Speaker B: Poorly. He played poorly.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: Well, I mean, are you. But, I mean, how many. How many of these positions are you going to be able to replace and how many are going to make a difference?
I think probably was the most consistent offensive lineman all year long.
[01:04:13] Speaker B: It's an interesting thing because you take them and it's. It's kind of the same problems that the Browns have as a team regularly is. On paper, they're great.
[01:04:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:04:21] Speaker B: But on the field, they're terrible. So, like, does. Does the fact that was it. Was it actually Andy Dickerson, like, he came in and just didn't. Never controlled that room and never did anything to get those guys up and ready to play?
[01:04:34] Speaker A: I mean, that's what we're led to believe, right, is that this was Andy Dickerson's fault of the offensive line being bad. I tend to think it's more to do with the scheme of the offense.
And again, we got Ken Dorsey for that, so happy trails to those guys. But again, it's like, what kind of games were we playing, letting Ken Dorsey be the offensive play caller then if he was the. The reason things were going so shitty? I mean, we talked all year long about receivers being in the same place as each other and one defender being able to recover two and three guys. I just. That doesn't. That's not an NFL offense. It's not. It's not even a high school offense. And so, you know, some good attrition with those guys leaving. But it wasn't like Kevin Stefanski's offense was, Was. Was humming at any point in his tenure here.
I mean, that's what got Baker kicked out of town. Right? I mean, you had a quarterback that was winning games and throwing touchdowns through 90.
[01:05:30] Speaker B: Sometimes the only time the offense was humming was with Joe Flacco, and that.
[01:05:35] Speaker A: Still wasn't good enough. And yeah, I mean, Joe Flacco was the best quarterback I've ever seen in orange and brown in my lifetime.
And. And we ran him out of town, too.
[01:05:45] Speaker B: And.
[01:05:46] Speaker C: Too much. Too much of a threat.
[01:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Too much of a threat.
[01:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Um, and so, so I don't. I just. I don't see. I mean, so again, I start with the office of line. I go, how many of those guys can you replace? How many of those guys would you even replace? Outside? We know left tackle's a mess.
And then running back, I think, is a huge question mark. Jerome Ford, I don't think had a single hundred yard game and had plenty of opportunities this year with Nick Chubb being out.
Nick Chubb came back from a devastating injury. We all love Nick Chubb. It's going to be 30 years old. Coming off another injury to a lower extremity.
You know, are they going to even bring him back? It's a huge question.
[01:06:32] Speaker C: I know that Andrew Barry's answer on Nick Chubb was not very promising.
[01:06:36] Speaker A: No, he kind of said, we know we're going to put Nick Chubb in the ring of honor someday here in Cleveland, but we got to kind of work through it. So who knows whether he'll be back or not? And if he is back, who knows if he'll ever have the same impact that he had for the first several years of his.
[01:06:51] Speaker B: Which is so sad because we can all agree here. I mean, I think we literally are all in agreeance. Like, he's my favorite Cleveland Brown maybe of all time.
[01:06:59] Speaker A: Sure, sure.
[01:07:00] Speaker B: Like, I've never had more fun watching football than when Nick Chubb was dominating.
[01:07:04] Speaker A: Nick Chubb was. Was a joy to watch run.
But I just don't know that. I don't know that that Nick Chubb's ever coming back. It's not his fault. I mean, everybody gets older and, and injuries he's had. I. You can't. It's not like we're saying, well, Nick's not going to work hard enough to get back and be good. It's just might not be other time is undefeated, you know, and then you throw in the fact that the Browns have a top five pick and you go, you know, Ashton Genty. The air apparent to Nick Chubb that running back from Iowa, I think, is that Caleb Johnson. It was a tremendous year. So, like, there's some guys that you could conceivably go with that, you know, might be in that new wave of running backs. I mean, you see guys like, I mean, obviously Saquon had a huge impact.
[01:07:53] Speaker B: The other part of it too is it might not even be one of those top like guys in the first.
[01:07:56] Speaker C: Round like this Henderson or Junkins.
[01:08:00] Speaker B: Yeah, sure, Henderson.
I don't think Judkins in the draft, is he?
[01:08:05] Speaker A: I think so.
[01:08:06] Speaker C: I believe so. He's like one of the top.
[01:08:10] Speaker B: So either of those guys I mentioned Scatter Boo earlier, like there's all kinds of guys you could take later. I'm just saying this is a deep draft for running back. So I think regardless I'm, I'm actually going to be shocked if we don't take a running back at some point in the draft.
[01:08:24] Speaker A: We, I mean I think he's at some point but I'm saying you may be looking at a premier talented one and I think with the way the NFL has kind of swung back this year and you see not just the Saquons of the world. I mean Saquon and Derek Henry are, you know, different types of athletes. But you see this success that Jameer Gibbs had. I mean I think he had what he led the league in scrimmage touchdowns this year at 20 touchdowns. Like no one at the beginning of this year was like Jameer Gibbs is the best running back in the NFL, but he had a hell of a season. And so it's like can you get one of those guys that's going to be an every down back a guy like Bajan Robinson obviously we saw you know, Josh Jacobs move, we saw Aaron Jones move and have good years for those teams. So running back again might all sudden be a priority where if you have a late first round, if you trade back at a late first round, first round pick and you could get a Jenkins or somebody, you know, we'll, we'll see. And then your wide receiver room I think is full of question marks. I mean Elijah Moore really has never been what you wanted. He would be. I think there's still the only one.
[01:09:24] Speaker B: That'S a solid exclamation point is Jerry Judy.
[01:09:26] Speaker A: Jerry Judy's it. I mean Jerry Judy's in.
[01:09:29] Speaker B: You have even Cedric Tillman was finally coming on and he spent the last five, seven weeks or whatever it was on I. On. On the bench with a concussion. Like that's, that's.
[01:09:38] Speaker C: It's a long time.
[01:09:39] Speaker B: Concerning. That's concerning.
[01:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Well and the thing is, is he was just coming on right. So it wasn't even like at any point we were like, yeah, locked him in. Like he's right like Jerry Judy, we.
[01:09:50] Speaker B: All feel like to your point, at this point now he's a question mark.
[01:09:53] Speaker A: Again because you don't Know Mark, the guy they drafted this year, Thrash, I think I saw him playing three games.
[01:09:59] Speaker B: Which was wild given the time that they gave him in the preseason and then to play basically nothing especially as you're down the stretch and we're ass.
[01:10:08] Speaker A: That wide receiver room is an absolute mess and Joku missed a lot of time this year.
You know, are you counting on him being, you know, a stalwart in this offense? Is that somebody that maybe they look to move because you can get some value for him because you have to rebuild all these different position groups and then ultimately you got in a quarterback and Kirk Cousins, I mean you're looking at, you're looking at guys that are going to be shoppable. If you're not going to draft a guy, you're looking at Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, J.J. mcCarthy, Aaron Rodgers. Those are the kinds of guys that are going to be available. None of those guys is your a quarterback of the future and none of those guys really are probably a very good bridge quarterbacks. I mean, I mean and that's all they are if they are but if you're not drafting a rookie they're a bridge to nowhere.
[01:10:54] Speaker B: Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I agree.
My gut feeling about what's going to happen at quarterback going into the off season is we are. I think it's going to be Kirk Cousins, I think you pushed out of here and I think they go for somebody next year in the draft and they just chalk up another loss. I mean we're, we already talked about it, right. Five, four.
[01:11:13] Speaker C: So they'll be, they'll trade back in stock picks.
[01:11:16] Speaker B: I don't even. It depends on what else they want to add to the roster. Yeah, I think that's probably likely if like especially if they say we want to add an offensive lineman, it's probably likely they trade back at least a few spots.
[01:11:29] Speaker A: But if the quarterback value and stuff isn't there in the top five picks who's going to trade up and give you multiple first round picks or multiple picks for.
[01:11:38] Speaker B: Well, we've seen this every year though.
[01:11:40] Speaker A: He wants the court.
[01:11:40] Speaker B: We've seen this every year though where, where most teams might not think so but one team wants one guy.
Yeah. So I'm not really, really worried about that part of it. But the other part is if you do end up trading back, here's an interesting wrinkle is if you do end up trading back so you don't think the talents there and worth a top two pick because that's what we have say you trade back to like a 7. I'm just messing with numbers here. I don't know exactly who's right there. But say you trade back to like 5, 6, 7, 8, somewhere in that range.
Now do you take a quarterback right there because you're like, well, I guess now it makes sense.
[01:12:11] Speaker A: I guess that's the other question is that everybody's like, oh, these quarterbacks suck. Would you be interested in a Shadur Sanders if he were to fall to the third round?
[01:12:19] Speaker B: Well, and that's for me, like that's what I know we've talked, we've gone back and forth a couple times on the show about this. Like, I don't like Shador Sanders as a number two pick. Even if you gave him to me at eight, I'd be like, yeah, okay, I'm, that's fine. Because it makes more sense at 8. Like to me there's other things that you could do it too.
[01:12:35] Speaker A: I mean, I almost think like now that that's the best case scenario is, is that you focus on getting either a stud running back or a stud wide receiver to complement this offense and a good lineman in the first two rounds or you trade back and try and get, you know, back to back, maybe get like picks 18 and 25 or something in the first round, get your offensive lineman, get a new running back or a new receiver and then look at a guy that's supposed to be a mid round pick, a Jackson Dart, a guy that's a third rounder and you go, we're expecting you to play a lot of snaps this year. We're going to bring in Kirk Cousins and he's going to get the first month of the season and then when you're ready, you're going to play and you bet. But like, like what? How else are you going to convince a guy like Miles Garrett or Joe Batonio to come back?
[01:13:17] Speaker C: Right.
[01:13:18] Speaker A: I don't see it like, well, to me that's where Cousins isn't the answer to all season. And, and starting a rookie week one that isn't. You know, this, this draft this year was full of guys that we all thought could start week one. Your Jaden, Caleb Williams and some of those guys that played all year had some success. So, but nobody in this draft really. I mean Kim Ward and Shadir Sanders are the two highest rated and I've seen Shadir Sanders scouts on him say that he's maybe he's maybe a mid round pick at best. So maybe those, a couple of those guys fall.
[01:13:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I I think as far as the Miles Garrett thing goes, I'm just gonna say I think the most likely scenario is he's not a Cleveland Brown next year.
[01:13:58] Speaker A: Well, I agree, but then I think, then you start to telegraph the fact that, you know, you're not going to be competitive.
[01:14:03] Speaker B: Well, and I don't even know.
[01:14:04] Speaker A: I don't.
[01:14:05] Speaker B: I don't know that it's. That I think that whatever plan they lay out for them might not be fast enough. Because the plan that I was just saying what I think it makes most sense to me you're going to say is there's a bridge quarterback to get us to the following year. Right.
But if that's not fast enough for Miles Garrett. So to me, what I'm saying is there may be a quote, unquote, clear path to getting better, but it might not be on the timeline that Miles Garrett wants, which is next year.
And I don't know that there is a path to get us that good to where we're a playoff team next year. I'm just being honest. I don't, I don't know that that path exists. Even if you draft a shaving season.
[01:14:43] Speaker C: What the hell can you do unless you just hit on a rookie quarterback and he's phenomenal.
[01:14:47] Speaker A: Well, I don't think you can do it unless you, Unless you totally remake the face of the franchise. And that includes wholesale changes. Right? I mean, Kevin Stefanski, go.
[01:14:58] Speaker B: At this point, we're pretty much past.
[01:15:00] Speaker A: That new thought leadership that's going to come in and say I need to bring in 30 new guys. Here's, here's. You know, do the Moneyball thing, like find guys that are productive at this, this and that and bring them in to fill gaps and that. That's how you change it from year one to year two. Yeah, the. The path you're talking about is, is, geez. I mean, who's. Who. And that's the crazy thing to think.
[01:15:21] Speaker B: About, right, is, is I'm talking about what makes most sense as a franchise is tanking next year is we lose again next year. Now you're talking about bringing these and.
[01:15:30] Speaker A: You have to tank. Tank. Because you can't be on the bubble. You can't be 6 and, and 10 or 11 or whatever you need to be.
[01:15:37] Speaker B: You know why? Because now desean Watson still on the quarterback, ruining your cap spaces. So you can't sell out to get the top pick to go get your, you know.
[01:15:45] Speaker A: Well, then, but just you, you want to, you want to be in the top of the list. Right. You want to be in the top three picks because you're hoping a guy like Arch Manning is there.
[01:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I'm just saying, like, even if you were, just if you say we're going to sell out completely that next year to go for the number one pick, regard, like, whatever.
Now you can't because we got all these cap issues and all these other holes because of desean Watson.
[01:16:05] Speaker A: So I just always look at it too and just say like, and here's the other thing. Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry, they survived this year. They're not going to survive another 3 and 14 year.
[01:16:17] Speaker B: No, I'm with you. That's why, that's why I think, bottom line is, as I just walk through all the scenarios in my head, I just assume we got like three, four or five more years.
[01:16:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
[01:16:29] Speaker B: Like just total despair.
[01:16:30] Speaker A: What's ahead of us?
[01:16:31] Speaker B: Like, seriously work out. And I'm talking directly to all the listeners, work out every single scenario you could possibly think of. And be honest with yourself, don't be an optimistic Browns fan because I know we all get that way sometimes and we're like, nah, we could make it work. Be honest with yourself and say, here's the guys available. Okay, so you go with scenario one. You take a quarterback there, right? You take a quarterback high, whether it's Shadur Sanders or whoever it may be, or Cam Ward or whoever it may. It may be.
We talked about our offensive line problems and the fact that the coaching was bad. Like, are they going to survive a whole season and are they going to be any good even if they do survive the whole season?
[01:17:12] Speaker A: Let's say your quarterback survives and the offensive line is fine. Can your quarterback and offensive line survive the lack of a running game?
[01:17:18] Speaker B: And that's not even getting into the fact that. Let's go back to the Browns track record on first round quarterbacks.
[01:17:25] Speaker A: Well, just any draft.
[01:17:26] Speaker B: Any. Yeah, yeah, anybody. So, so like, so that scenario, we just say, okay, you're looking for five wins next year. You go to my scenario where you get the bridge quarterback, you're looking at four to five wins next year. Like, if you're looking at four to five wins next year, you're probably looking at an entire new front office the following year. Yeah, and so we're starting over again.
[01:17:44] Speaker C: And you're screwing yourself over for all those high, you know, profile quarterbacks supposed to be coming out next year.
[01:17:49] Speaker B: So in what, in what legitimate honest scenario do we not see ourselves being the dumpster fire of the NFL for the next four years.
[01:17:57] Speaker A: Plus, here's a final scenario. You save yourself for marriage and you tank again next year and you're hoping to get, you know, whoever the. The Andrew Luck is at the draft. What was Quinn Ewers before this season started?
Probably a consensus first round pick.
[01:18:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:18:13] Speaker A: He's talking about going back to school because he didn't have that great of a season.
[01:18:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:18:16] Speaker A: What happens if you're waiting on a couple of these guys and football happens? They get injured, they don't have a great year and all of a sudden we're going next year, we're going. Well, this quarterback class isn't necessarily what we thought it was.
[01:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's.
[01:18:31] Speaker A: I mean, Archmani may not get to play next year.
[01:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. Honestly, I mean, obviously we've skipped over the recap part of this season and gotten into like.
[01:18:40] Speaker A: The recap was that they were really bad.
[01:18:42] Speaker B: No, but I was just bringing it back because it's just like there's not much to talk talk about this. This year's team, they were terrible. They were really bad.
[01:18:48] Speaker A: The recap is, is that you've destroyed every unit on that offense. The wide room is broken, the quarterback room is broken. The offensive line room is broken. The wide receiver room is broken. Just as a special teams unit, the only thing that you have going for you is some optimism amongst your defense because the core players there are still pretty good and your. And your coordinator is pretty good.
[01:19:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:19:11] Speaker A: And.
[01:19:11] Speaker B: And so here's just the bottom line is, is people give us shit all the time because we say, get rid of Stefanski, get rid of Barry.
Since the Browns beat the Steelers in the playoffs, we've gotten progressively worse. And yeah, there's a little bit of a blip because Joe Flacco came off his couch and saved the Browns the one year.
But you take that out. If Joe Flacco wouldn't have come and saved the Browns that year.
[01:19:39] Speaker A: They'd started DTR and PJ Walker the rest of the year.
[01:19:43] Speaker C: We might not have had a DTR problem this year.
[01:19:45] Speaker B: Right.
But that's like. It's gotten gradually. And just think of how far the Browns have fallen since they beat the Steelers in the playoffs and almost beat the Kansas City Chiefs to go to the conference championship.
[01:19:59] Speaker A: Well, that's because you. Yeah, quarterback.
[01:20:02] Speaker C: That was probably at the height of like John Dorsey's, all his picks. And I'm with you playing well for the Browns. Andrew Barry had nothing to do with it.
[01:20:10] Speaker B: Right.
[01:20:10] Speaker C: He was using the Talent that was already acquired for him.
[01:20:12] Speaker B: Exactly. To that point. Like now that most of John Dorsey's talent has been shipped out of here.
[01:20:17] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:20:18] Speaker A: Or they're just getting older or they're.
[01:20:19] Speaker B: Getting too old to be able to play at that high of a level. Like look where we're at.
[01:20:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:20:25] Speaker B: Look at the body of work and in what way, shape or form can you make a legitimate argument that both Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry deserve to be back with the Browns?
[01:20:35] Speaker A: Let's, let's, let's go one more scenario. Can we make this work? Is there a quarterback that you could trade for that's good?
That could, that, that like let's say overnight, not. Look, Patrick Mahomes is a pipe dream, but if Patrick Mahomes were on the Browns next year, would you expect them to be better?
Is there somebody that you could trade for?
[01:21:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So we're talking realistically, like the only one that I can think out there. And this is going to sound stupid because I can't believe I'm saying this is like Sam Darnold. But is he good on another team? I'm not convinced he's going to be good on another team. The Minnesota Vikings are solid top to bottom right now.
[01:21:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:21:17] Speaker B: That's also why Kirk Cousins won there last year. They're solid top to bottom.
[01:21:21] Speaker A: I just, the more I look around the league and this is what frustrates me about the quarterback conversation. There's no good quarterback in this draft. Start looking around the league. There's Patrick Mahomes and there's Josh Allen. There's Lamar Jackson.
[01:21:35] Speaker B: Everybody's kind of an average quarterback.
[01:21:37] Speaker A: What's the next tier? San Francisco is a good team with Brock Purdy as their quarterback.
[01:21:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:21:43] Speaker A: The Miami Dolphins have won games with two. Attack of Aloha, who's played in half of their games.
[01:21:49] Speaker C: Justin Herbert.
[01:21:50] Speaker A: Justin Herbert. Joey B. Joe Burrow, Joe Burrows.
[01:21:53] Speaker B: Right.
[01:21:54] Speaker A: Premier passers. But like Geno Smith is winning games in Seattle.
So I just, I mean Russell Wilson and Justin Fields like winning games in Pittsburgh.
[01:22:07] Speaker B: Justin Fields is probably another way you could bring on. And maybe, maybe that's, that's probably the best scenario.
Yeah.
[01:22:13] Speaker A: And will Pittsburgh part with him because Russell's a little bit older.
[01:22:18] Speaker B: Well, he was only on a. Was he only on a one year deal? I think he only got a one year deal.
[01:22:22] Speaker A: I think they both got one year deals.
[01:22:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So he's gone anyway.
[01:22:24] Speaker A: But, but if they're looking at Russell saying Russell's what, 30? I don't know, 30. Lost his last four games and yeah.
[01:22:30] Speaker B: Probably going to lose round one because they're playing the Ravens.
[01:22:33] Speaker A: Is Russell your quarterback of the future or are you looking at the fact that. That.
[01:22:37] Speaker B: No, it's about time. Everybody listen to me when I say Russell is.
[01:22:41] Speaker A: He's getting older and he had a nice season this year in the time that he played.
[01:22:44] Speaker C: But like, he's in the playoffs.
[01:22:45] Speaker A: Would you.
[01:22:46] Speaker B: You lost the last four games. Going to be last five.
[01:22:49] Speaker A: I just think it's likely. I'm talking about the Steelers. I'm just thinking it's likely that the Steelers might retain Justin Fields in the offseason and say you had a year kind of to sit behind Russell. Russell's older and we'll either resign him as a backup, but, like, you're probably the guy going forward and we expect you to perform.
[01:23:05] Speaker B: Yep. Guys, here's the deal. I think the bottom line is this.
[01:23:08] Speaker A: That we're screwed and there's no hope for the Browns probably for the next five years.
[01:23:11] Speaker B: I hate to say that. And I'm going to keep rooting for the Browns and I hope that we are dead ass wrong and everybody can make fun of us next year. And I'll gladly accept that. And. And I'll be like, yeah, we were. Man, we are idiots. The Browns are in the playoffs. They're fantastic. That's what I want to be saying next year.
[01:23:25] Speaker C: I would love that problem.
[01:23:26] Speaker A: I will shave my eyebrows off.
[01:23:28] Speaker B: The problem with that is that's not going to happen.
[01:23:31] Speaker C: Andrew Barry is going to be picking our draft.
[01:23:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
[01:23:34] Speaker A: That's. That's ultimately.
[01:23:35] Speaker C: That's the biggest problem. The biggest problem.
[01:23:38] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:23:38] Speaker C: Is the decisions that guy has made since he's been here.
[01:23:41] Speaker A: Whether he picks a guy or trades back, it doesn't matter because he's still making.
[01:23:44] Speaker C: He is absolutely dreadful. He can speak in front of an audience and he can move salary things.
[01:23:51] Speaker B: Around to fix the problems that he.
[01:23:53] Speaker A: Made, but he always wins the press conference.
[01:23:55] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[01:23:55] Speaker B: Here's something we can all agree on. Cavs are up 22 right now. They're. They're a good team. They're a good team.
[01:24:01] Speaker A: That doesn't help me.
[01:24:02] Speaker C: No.
[01:24:03] Speaker A: Here at all.
[01:24:03] Speaker C: Andrew Barry still employed by the Browns.
[01:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:24:05] Speaker A: That's fair.
[01:24:06] Speaker B: I don't know. I'm going to. I'm going to close out the Browns season recap and I guess offseason preview. We threw all in at once and just say this.
We appreciate all of the Browns fans. We made them dog of the week this week for a reason. Because they put up with this. And unfortunately, I think our.
Our biggest prediction coming out of this is just. Just buckle up, because we got quite a bit more of this to go.
[01:24:32] Speaker A: The prediction is there is no hope.
[01:24:34] Speaker B: Yeah. But we'll be here with you next year.
[01:24:37] Speaker A: I mean, even, like, Houston's questioning C.J. stroud now, which is wild to me.
[01:24:42] Speaker B: Like, just.
[01:24:42] Speaker A: Just wild after two years.
[01:24:44] Speaker B: Like, that goes to show you the impatience of teams, because the sophomore slump is like, a real documented thing. Like. Like, guys have like a.
[01:24:52] Speaker A: Like, how many games did Nico Collins miss this year? Tank Dell miss end of the season.
Joe Mixon was a new acquisition there. It's a running back. Like, they have their own issues on defense and things, too, so.
[01:25:02] Speaker C: And they're still in the fricking playoffs.
[01:25:04] Speaker B: Yeah, still in the playoffs.
[01:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I just. The quarterback average is. Just. Drives me nuts because I just. I'm just a firm believer in that if you have a guy that you believe in that will listen to you and buy into your system, you can be successful with any quarterback. I think that's what's been proven, especially over the last two years in this league, is that.
[01:25:23] Speaker B: Well, the funniest thing, you put the.
[01:25:24] Speaker A: Guy in the right situation.
[01:25:25] Speaker B: You look at the goat in Tom Brady, and is he the most athletic? Does he have the strongest arm? Does he run the fastest? Does he throw the furthest? Does he. Does he.
[01:25:35] Speaker A: Does he.
[01:25:36] Speaker B: Is he the most accurate? Does it literally anything you could pull up for him? Is he the best at it? No, but collectively his stats are the best because he was in a great situation, and there was a time when.
[01:25:46] Speaker A: He was the best at a lot of those things, but it was because the situ. The. The situation fit him, and then he got older. But even in, like, Tampa Bay, despite the fact that they won the super bowl, they have their struggles there. They didn't win 15 games. They were right around 500 a lot. And then peaked at the right time. So.
[01:26:05] Speaker B: I don't know. Like I said, the. The close this out out, there is no hope. There is the. Just hang in there for however many more years it takes. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be a while.
[01:26:15] Speaker A: Keep hanging.
[01:26:17] Speaker B: All right, boys, from being pissed off about the Browns, we're going to shift gears, and it's time to get gassed up.
Yeah, Kenny, as you so eloquently put it during the Sounder, we're just going to get pissed off about something else. We're just gonna. We're gonna refocus our pissed offedness, our anger.
I'm gonna go first, guys.
[01:26:46] Speaker A: All right.
[01:26:47] Speaker B: You know what I'm gassed up about?
[01:26:49] Speaker A: Tell me.
[01:26:50] Speaker B: I'm gassed up about putting something in a safe space just to forget where you put it.
[01:26:56] Speaker A: That is the worst.
[01:26:57] Speaker B: You don't talk about. It's something super important every time. Like, I really need to know where this is, so I'm gonna put it right here. I never forget that. And the first thing you do is forget that.
[01:27:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:27:07] Speaker B: And then you look for it for weeks and weeks and weeks and you can't find it.
[01:27:11] Speaker A: And then you find it in the stupidest place, and you're just like, why.
[01:27:14] Speaker B: Would I ever think this is good? Who thought this was good to put this here? Somebody had to have planted that idea in my head because I would have never thought of this.
[01:27:22] Speaker A: Right.
[01:27:23] Speaker B: That is the worst I'm gassed up about that.
[01:27:25] Speaker A: I just recently find something that you were looking for.
[01:27:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And it was something from, like, two years ago.
Here's the worst part. I don't even remember today, like, what I. This just happened, like, a week ago. And I don't remember what it was, but I just remember finding it. I was like, son of a. I.
[01:27:40] Speaker A: Do that the most, I think in, like, hotel rooms, like, with my waller looks that I need. I, like, put it. I'll be like, I'm gonna put it in this drawer so I remember. And then I'll be looking around the whole place for it.
[01:27:51] Speaker B: I just remember when I found it again, I don't remember what it was, but it's something stupid. It was like a. Like a. I mean, it was like a book or something I was looking for. And I. I was like, where the hell was that? Like, it's a book. How do you lose a book?
But anyways, what I find. And I'm just. I think back to, like, the time that I actually lost it. Now how angry I was. And I was like, why can't I find this? And now it's passed and I'm fine. But it all came back the minute I found it.
[01:28:14] Speaker A: Now it's passing. I'm fine.
[01:28:16] Speaker B: Well, it was. And then I found it. And then it all. It all came back. And now I'm angry again.
[01:28:20] Speaker A: So that is one of the worst phenomenon.
[01:28:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:28:23] Speaker A: Of all human. Like.
[01:28:24] Speaker B: Like, why would you create human condition mind? Say, this is a safe space. Best. I'll never forget this.
[01:28:30] Speaker A: I'll definitely remember this.
[01:28:32] Speaker C: Gone.
[01:28:33] Speaker B: Gone. The minute you put it there and turn around and it leaves your mind for a second.
[01:28:38] Speaker A: It's always something like a Birth certificate or something. And then you don't need it until you need it.
[01:28:43] Speaker B: I, I think that might be what it. Not like a burster tip, but like it was like a document that I needed. Yeah, it was something stupid like that. That's definitely what it was, was. And I was like, seriously, like, I.
[01:28:54] Speaker A: Know I put this in the same space because it's important.
[01:28:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well then it got worse because we moved, you know, so it was like, then it was lost forever until I found it.
[01:29:03] Speaker A: That feels bad. I'm missing like my best pair of sunglasses ever since we had the house remodel.
[01:29:07] Speaker B: I'm missing a. My best pair of sunglasses right now. I didn't put it somewhere where I wouldn't like forget. I just lost them.
[01:29:14] Speaker A: But that's what I can't.
[01:29:15] Speaker B: She's different.
[01:29:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, I'm. I'm like hoping I put him in a box somewhere and I'll find them someday.
[01:29:20] Speaker B: But then you're going to be pissed off because you're be like, I can't.
[01:29:22] Speaker A: Believe I. Yeah, because I missing my sunglasses for like three years now.
[01:29:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Bone, what are you gassed up about?
[01:29:28] Speaker C: All right, so we've been working in this like little development area.
[01:29:33] Speaker B: I love Bones work stories.
[01:29:35] Speaker C: This particular like work site has like a one way street that goes around and there's a few buildings in between, like the, the parking lot. I'm going to try to describe it. It's not great, but it's like a lane and a half, not even two lanes. And you, you. All these buildings are being built. There's probably like six, seven, like community houses, like for seniors. I believe it's what it's going to be.
But you have, you have electric there, you have gas there, you have pavement, you have concrete trucks, you have electricians, plumbers, roofers, ciders. I mean everybody's working on this site at once.
[01:30:10] Speaker A: Sounds serious busy.
[01:30:11] Speaker C: People dropping off insulation like these big insulation trucks. So everybody needs to get in this one one and a half lane road here and get around the job site to get to where you need to be. It's muddy as hell everywhere. They have nowhere you can pull off your truck. There's no extra gravel parking spots. And yet you're supposed to somehow get around this place. Every time we go in there, we just get stuck. You're backing out, you're going here, you're going there. It just pisses me off. Every time I'm there, I'm just like, why was this designed? This way. Why didn't you make a two lane road?
[01:30:40] Speaker B: It's 20, 24. God's sakes.
[01:30:42] Speaker C: I. I get that they had a limited amount of space that they wanted to put all these buildings, but why not put some more gravel down so that we could pull off and let somebody buy at least temporarily. And it's. It's so muddy until.
[01:30:54] Speaker B: Until it's done right. And there's literally like.
[01:30:55] Speaker C: There's literal drop offs. Like you can't just like pull over to the side or else you're going down a hill in the mud or you're going to get stuck.
[01:31:01] Speaker B: Jesus.
[01:31:02] Speaker C: And it just drives me wild. It just drives me bonkers every time we're there.
[01:31:05] Speaker B: Good luck.
[01:31:05] Speaker C: And one particular story I'm going to add on. I sat there and waited patiently. We're done. I'm just waiting for this insulation truck. They're dropping off like bats of insulation.
[01:31:13] Speaker B: That's why he was talking about insulation trucks.
[01:31:14] Speaker C: And. And this truck finally pulls out of the way. I go around this driveway to get out the other exit. Said truck pulls out, pulls right into the other one and blocks me in again.
[01:31:26] Speaker B: What a dick.
[01:31:26] Speaker C: I was so mad.
[01:31:28] Speaker B: What an asshole.
[01:31:29] Speaker C: I was so mad.
[01:31:30] Speaker B: No way.
But you guys better be nice to Bone. He's hard as hell.
[01:31:34] Speaker A: Bone, play taps for us.
[01:31:35] Speaker C: I will say I was there today and we were the only ones on road. Is fantastic.
[01:31:39] Speaker B: Yeah. That's another thing that's getting me gassed up is Bones Mouth trumpet. Go ahead, Bone. Play.
[01:31:42] Speaker A: Play tabs for us.
[01:31:43] Speaker C: Give me the beat again, Ronnie.
[01:32:03] Speaker B: That was the wrong note, but that's fine.
[01:32:04] Speaker C: I lost it.
[01:32:05] Speaker A: Ready for a 21 gun salute?
[01:32:07] Speaker B: Yeah. That's how we end the brown season is with Bones. That. You're going to do that again at the end of the show. So just get ready. Kenny, what's getting you guessed up?
[01:32:13] Speaker A: Oh, you guys.
[01:32:15] Speaker B: Us? We are.
[01:32:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:32:16] Speaker B: Why?
[01:32:17] Speaker A: I need you both to do me a favor.
Pull up a web browser.
[01:32:22] Speaker C: Oh boy.
[01:32:23] Speaker B: Both of us?
[01:32:23] Speaker A: You need two of them? Both of you.
[01:32:26] Speaker B: Damn it. Okay. What?
[01:32:30] Speaker A: I need you to type in a word web browser. The word is deuterostome.
[01:32:36] Speaker B: He doesn't know how to use a web browser.
[01:32:39] Speaker C: Say that word again.
[01:32:40] Speaker A: The word is deuterostome. And I'll spell it for you.
[01:32:43] Speaker C: Okay.
[01:32:44] Speaker A: D E U T E R O S T O M E S. Like Deuteronomy. No, Deuterostome.
[01:32:54] Speaker C: Deuterostome. Definition.
[01:32:56] Speaker A: Tell me what a deuterostome is.
[01:32:58] Speaker B: What the hell is that thing?
[01:32:59] Speaker C: Deuterosome versus protosome.
[01:33:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Tell me what a deuterostome is this picture of.
[01:33:05] Speaker B: It's wild.
[01:33:05] Speaker C: Deuterostomes are a group of bilaterian animals with a unique embryonic development pattern. The name literally translates to second mouth in the Greek.
[01:33:14] Speaker B: Two mouths.
[01:33:15] Speaker A: Keep going.
[01:33:15] Speaker C: I got to click expand.
Where was I? During development. Wait, wait.
Referencing how their anus forms before their mouth during development. Pterosomes are distinguished.
[01:33:28] Speaker A: You're good. You're good right there. Next, search bar. Type in. Are humans deuterostomes?
[01:33:43] Speaker C: Bastards.
[01:33:47] Speaker B: They are classified as that.
[01:33:48] Speaker A: I did not spend three years studying sexual health to be told by Ukraine guys that humans don't develop anus first.
I like to be told that I'm wrong.
If there's one thing I know, it's about the reproductive cycle of humans.
[01:34:05] Speaker B: The blastopore.
[01:34:07] Speaker A: The blastopore is the anus.
[01:34:08] Speaker B: It becomes the mouth and the anus develops.
[01:34:10] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not in humans. The blastopore is the anus. The blastopore is the anus. And it develops first. Which is why humans are concerned. Considered deuterostomes.
[01:34:22] Speaker C: Humans are considered deuterosomes because of their embryonic development characteristics.
[01:34:26] Speaker A: Yes. Meaning they're anus.
[01:34:28] Speaker C: In deuterosomes, the first opening that forms during embryogenesis. Or is that how you say that? Yeah. Becomes the anus while the mouth develops later.
[01:34:35] Speaker A: Yes. So the fact of the matter is that we were all at one point, anuses.
Now, I don't know what history book or textbook you got out of. Oh, the heart's the first organ that developed. I'm not talking about organs developing. I'm talking about embryonic development. And you start out as an anus. The first thing that happens after your cells divide and implant themselves into a uterine lining, into the endometrium, is they develop an anus. You were all an anus to start out with. Again, I did not spend three and a half years. I can't wait to graduating from Kent State, learning about human sexuality for you two clowns to tell me. I don't think that's right.
[01:35:11] Speaker C: Was this during Kenny's Facts for Days.
[01:35:13] Speaker B: Or when was it? No, it was just a random thing that I brought up.
I can't wait to go home and tell my wife. Because when I told her, she made me question it. She's like, no, they told us the heart comes first. And then I looked it up and you're right, you're right.
[01:35:25] Speaker A: An organ.
[01:35:26] Speaker B: It says the heart is the first organ to develop.
[01:35:28] Speaker A: Yes, because technically, the anus the anus is an organ, but the blasto pore is going to be the anus. So that first hole that develops.
[01:35:37] Speaker B: Your hand movements here are weird. Stop doing that.
[01:35:39] Speaker A: The first hole, the first thing it does is creates a hole for the anus and then for the mouth, and then the tube that grows in to connect them comes in later. And your heart will develop during that time as the first organ. But the first thing that happens when you're implanted into the endometrium is you make a hole for your anus.
[01:35:59] Speaker C: Interesting.
[01:36:00] Speaker B: Wow. I can't wait to tell my wife.
[01:36:02] Speaker A: So we were all buttholes.
[01:36:03] Speaker C: I would have thought it would have been the belly button at one point.
[01:36:06] Speaker B: I'm excited. Excited about this. I'm excited. I've never been more excited for you to tell me I'm wrong, but I felt like a human pinball because I went home, and I was like, ah, listen to this fact. And I was like, the anus develops. We were all buttholes. And she was like, I don't think so. And I looked it up, and I misread. I misread. Heart is the first organ. And so I was like, oh, you're right, babe. And then I came back and told you you were wrong, and now you're telling me I'm wrong again. But now I'm excited because now I get to go tell her.
[01:36:32] Speaker C: Did you fact check, Kenny? Right on air last week.
[01:36:34] Speaker A: That's why I've been gassed up for a week about it.
[01:36:37] Speaker C: Yeah, but why are you mad at me?
[01:36:40] Speaker A: You said, yeah, I don't think that's right.
[01:36:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was your exact words. You said, I don't. I don't.
[01:36:45] Speaker A: And I was like, screw you guys. I know. I learned this.
[01:36:49] Speaker B: I'm excited that this is an actual fact, though, because now I'm gonna. I'm gonna resume telling everybody that we're buttholes.
[01:36:55] Speaker A: Everybody was once just an.
[01:36:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:36:58] Speaker A: Some of them stay that way.
[01:36:59] Speaker B: Everybody's got one. Everybody was. Was one.
[01:37:01] Speaker A: Kevin Saan's getting injured. Berry stick.
[01:37:03] Speaker B: I'll shake your hand. I'm sorry. Yeah, I said it. I'm sorry.
[01:37:05] Speaker A: Apology.
[01:37:06] Speaker B: I don't respect you ever. Apology.
[01:37:07] Speaker A: Not accepting. I'll accept Bones.
[01:37:10] Speaker C: Okay.
[01:37:11] Speaker B: Thank you. Let's all. Let's just take a quick, cleansing breath here.
Do we need another one?
[01:37:18] Speaker A: No. That's the best I felt after gassed up in a long time.
[01:37:20] Speaker B: All right, all right. W. Time for the burger throw down.
All right, that'll do it. I'm done with the burner. Throw down. Hoe down. It's time to get into the King of the North.
All right, in case anyone doesn't know by now. Yes. We're gonna do this one last time this season. Kenny. Are you ready?
[01:38:09] Speaker A: No.
[01:38:10] Speaker B: This is our year long AFC north, pick them competition. At the end of every season, whoever comes in last place gets punished. And the preseason. Last year, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans in the muni lot before a game. In the preseason this year, Kenny had his entire head of hair and beard shaved clean off and donated off. Good on you. Good job. In the preseason this coming year, Kenny will have to get in a pool, a public pool, and announce to everyone at said pool that he has peed in that public pool. And if there's any legal ramifications that come out of that, we're just gonna make a meat hot dogs till he throws up.
Kenny, are you excited?
Hold that thought.
First things first, I want to remind everyone that Bone is the reigning, defending, and once again King of the North.
Bone, can you crown yourself here?
You'll still be able to hear me because I'm just talking in a studio.
Nice. How does that. How does that feel, Kenny?
[01:39:24] Speaker A: Makes me want to pee on you or throw up on you.
[01:39:27] Speaker B: You can't.
[01:39:28] Speaker C: Just don't do it on me.
[01:39:30] Speaker B: Bone doesn't mind.
Yeah. So Bone officially remains King of the north, which I don't know why we ever invited him to be on the show anyways, because he just proceeded to whoop our asses. Both ears.
[01:39:42] Speaker A: Asshole. What a deuterostone.
[01:39:44] Speaker B: Yeah. What a duderus.
[01:39:45] Speaker C: I'll stop picking.
[01:39:47] Speaker B: Nope, you can't.
Kenny, it's official. You are once again a clown. Or as you prefer to be called, a jester.
Yeah. How's that feel?
[01:40:01] Speaker A: How do you think it feels?
[01:40:02] Speaker B: It's probably pretty bad. 3 time player, 3 time loser.
[01:40:08] Speaker A: Feel like Kevin's defense.
[01:40:09] Speaker B: Kenny. Kenny. Thunder under.
You have to dub that out.
[01:40:13] Speaker A: Thanks.
[01:40:16] Speaker B: I just.
I'm just basking in this for a second.
[01:40:20] Speaker A: This is all the damn Denver Broncos fault, by the way. If they had just carried their water, you'd be the loser.
[01:40:28] Speaker B: They didn't, though. So let's just real quick go over the final standings one more time. Bone, 37 and 19, you had an impressive run. The last is like six to seven weeks of the season. I don't think he lost a game, stupid, because he was at like 500 about the time the Browns started losing. We all started again. Yeah, we all started very poorly. I came in second at 32 and 24. And, Kenny, even with your desperation picks, even if you wouldn't have picked those, you still would have been in last place. But. But they worsened your record a little bit. You ended up right at 500 at 28 and 28.
[01:41:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it would have been 30 and 20, 26, but still.
[01:41:07] Speaker B: Still would have lost. Yeah.
[01:41:08] Speaker A: So if it wasn't for those damn Denver Broncos.
[01:41:11] Speaker C: Damn Broncos.
[01:41:12] Speaker A: I don't care what happens in the playoffs. I just hope that everyone on their team.
[01:41:15] Speaker B: John Denver's full of.
[01:41:16] Speaker A: I just hope that everyone on their team gets murdered.
[01:41:19] Speaker B: Whoa, that seems strong. I don't. We don't hope that. We don't hope anybody gets murdered. But, yeah, Bone, we dubbed the King of the North.
Kenny still the clown.
[01:41:29] Speaker A: Dub the Dub the.
[01:41:30] Speaker B: The jester.
We. We'll keep everybody a pri. What's the word I'm looking for a prized. We'll let you know what's going to happen with all the details on his punishment.
[01:41:40] Speaker A: We film them and then we post them. You'll see it.
[01:41:43] Speaker B: Yep. And last thing before we get going here, I want to do a quick round of super bowl picks.
All right, Kenny, we'll start with you. Who do you think's gonna make the Super Bowl? Who do you think's gonna win, and what's the score gonna be?
[01:42:08] Speaker A: All right, my super bowl picks from the afc. Representing the afc.
This pains me to say this, but it will be the Baltimore Ravens.
[01:42:24] Speaker B: It will be the Baltimore Ravens.
[01:42:26] Speaker A: It will be the Baltimore Ravens from the nfc.
[01:42:30] Speaker B: Feels bad.
[01:42:32] Speaker A: I do believe. I do believe in the Motor City Kitties, where the Lions will take that one seed and shove it right up the proverbial Deuterostone. Blast a pour of all their opponents, and you will have the Ravens versus the Lions in the beginning. Big game.
[01:42:51] Speaker B: Who's winning it all?
[01:42:53] Speaker A: And this year, the winner of Super Bowl L I X licks.
[01:43:02] Speaker B: Super bowl licks.
[01:43:08] Speaker A: This is the Baltimore Ravens.
[01:43:10] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[01:43:12] Speaker A: 34, 32.
[01:43:15] Speaker B: Dang. That feels really bad. Bone, who you got for the super bowl before I.
[01:43:21] Speaker C: Before I saw yours, Ronnie, that's who I had. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna switch it up.
[01:43:26] Speaker B: Wait, wait, hold on. Let me go first. Then my super bowl is actually the same super bowl as yours.
[01:43:33] Speaker A: I didn't even see that.
[01:43:34] Speaker B: So the fact that Bone had the same super bowl as us until he saw ours is pretty impressive. But my super bowl is Baltimore Ravens versus the Detroit Lions. However, I have a different winner. I think Detroit's going to get it done. And I feel so happy for them. My dad is a lifelong Detroit fan. He grew up in Michigan. He's Detroit everything. But I like him because he roots for Ohio State over Michigan.
That's secondary. He roots for Ohio State over Michigan, so that's nice of him. But he roots for Detroit professional sports and everything. And he's suffered for a long, long time, too. So the fact that they're going to. I think they're going to get it done, and I think they're going to bring him a Super Bowl.
[01:44:17] Speaker A: If Detroit makes a Super bowl, believe me, I'll be a big Detroit fan that day because they've. They've had it almost as bad as the Browns for a long time.
[01:44:24] Speaker B: I'm with you, though. I think the super bowl, if that's the two teams that are in it, I think it's going to be a crazy shootout. But I actually have Detroit winning it 4137. So.
[01:44:37] Speaker C: Nice.
[01:44:38] Speaker A: That'll be exciting.
[01:44:39] Speaker B: Bone, who you got?
[01:44:40] Speaker C: All right, I'm gonna go Buffalo and I'm gonna go Detroit because I think that would be badass. I said this earlier on a separate episode, and I also have Detroit winning it.
[01:44:55] Speaker B: What's the score?
[01:44:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it would be kind of a high scoring game.
Let's go.
35 to 32.
[01:45:06] Speaker B: Nice. Almost Detroit. Identical scores for different teams.
[01:45:08] Speaker A: I would just be very happy for Jared Goff after being cast aside.
[01:45:13] Speaker B: He's one of those quarterbacks we talk.
[01:45:14] Speaker A: About, like, you know. Yeah. I mean, he was just one of those guys left for dead. Dan Campbell believed in him and gave him a second chance.
[01:45:21] Speaker B: And how wild would that might be? One of those trades that, like, it was a win. Win for everybody. Because didn't Stafford win. Didn't they win the super bowl like.
[01:45:30] Speaker A: The year after he came? OBJ went there.
[01:45:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, like, if they both ended up winning a Super bowl for their respective franchises, like, talk about a change of scenery and just needing to be in the right place.
[01:45:42] Speaker A: Right.
[01:45:42] Speaker B: Like, that's wild.
[01:45:43] Speaker A: When you think about how good Stafford was even before he left for la. I mean, he's was tremendous in Detroit for so long. They just had shitty teams. Yeah.
And then for them to kind of get this thing together finally with both units, minutes is special. So, yeah, I think it would be cool for. For Jared Goff, obviously. Cool for the city of Detroit. They're a city that's, again, a lot like Cleveland, a lot like Buffalo, you know, great American cities that have kind of been down and out the last couple of years. Just like across the board. Right. Economically. Just.
Just not good things happening for the people in those places. And you know, they should, they should get some joy every now and then. So I will be rooting for Detroit, but I just think that Lamar Jackson is absolutely on a mission this year.
[01:46:27] Speaker B: Well, they're peaking right at the right time. Like they, they've been on fire the last like six weeks.
[01:46:31] Speaker A: So I can't believe again that we're having this discussion around like who the MVP is when Lamar is the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for 4,000 yards and they have 900 yards rushing ever in the game. Ever.
[01:46:42] Speaker C: That's wild.
[01:46:43] Speaker A: And through for 40,000.
[01:46:44] Speaker C: Dude. He still takes some hits though.
[01:46:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:46:46] Speaker C: You know, I mean like he gets blasted.
[01:46:48] Speaker B: The only person and I know I told you this, Kenny, that I think would be.
That I think would have supplanted him if they would have made the playoffs was Joe Burrow.
[01:46:59] Speaker A: Sure, Joe Burrow had a hell of.
[01:47:00] Speaker B: A year, but they didn't make the playoffs. So he's not going to win it. Nope. I think I agree with you. I think it's going to be Lamar Jackson. It's to me, it's got to be in his number. And I hate saying that because I don't like Lamar Jackson. I. I don't him as a person. I don't have a thought one way or the other. But he plays for the Ravens, so I hate him.
[01:47:16] Speaker A: He won last year and through for 3,600 yards and rush this year is significantly better than less touchdowns too. So I don't know how you go from winning the MVP at that level.
Far exceed where you were, set a record as a quarterback for everything that you've done and don't win the MVP that year.
[01:47:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know either. But with that, let me remind you to call the burning sportscast.
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[01:47:43] Speaker B: Don't forget to call. Leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Do you agree with anything or everything or none of or some of what we said in our season recap?
[01:47:50] Speaker A: I want to hear plans. I want to hear plans. I want.
[01:47:53] Speaker B: That's a good one. Yeah.
[01:47:53] Speaker A: Bring me an offensive lineman. Bring me a quarterback. Who's the guy, who's the running back.
[01:47:56] Speaker B: What are your plans to fix the Cleveland Browns?
[01:47:59] Speaker A: How do we get this thing right and how long does it take?
[01:48:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes.
[01:48:04] Speaker C: We want hot takes.
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[01:48:25] Speaker A: I'll tell you what you can expect next week. Absolutely nothing.
[01:48:30] Speaker B: Say it again.
[01:48:30] Speaker A: Absolutely nothing.
We're needed. R and R. After what was just an absolutely pitiful brown season, we are making plans in the background on how we're going to handle the off season this year. We don't want to go away entirely, but we will have some time off. We'll certainly be back, you know, check in around the draft, those sorts of things. And we'll start up again probably during training camp in the summer full time where we're week to week.
[01:49:00] Speaker B: But even before that we'll have another episode probably here in a couple weeks.
[01:49:03] Speaker A: Oh, we'll, I mean we'll do, we do a number of like remotes and things and charity events and different things in the offseason that we'll do shows at. But we won't be going away altogether. I would just say stay tuned to the socials because we'll post them there before we record. Hey, we're gonna have a show this week so it'll be a little intermittent here for the next couple of weeks until we get on to some kind of like offseason schedule. So just stay tuned.
[01:49:27] Speaker B: We for sure have to come back sometime in the next couple weeks here.
[01:49:30] Speaker A: For sure because they're gonna name Brownsback chapter of the year. We want to make sure that we're all over that and give them, give them their flowers and talk about the cool things they did this year. But until then, follow us on all of our socials for updates and content.
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[01:49:48] Speaker A: That's this.
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What do you got for us, Kenny?
[01:50:36] Speaker A: I got some facts for days.
[01:50:37] Speaker B: Let's hear them.
[01:50:37] Speaker A: Are you ready?
[01:50:38] Speaker B: The whale facts. Damn it.
[01:50:41] Speaker A: Damn it. No Whale facts today, gentlemen.
[01:50:43] Speaker B: You're the worst.
[01:50:44] Speaker A: Number one.
[01:50:45] Speaker B: Let's hear it.
[01:50:47] Speaker A: The ancient.
[01:50:49] Speaker B: What word was that?
[01:50:50] Speaker A: Romans?
[01:50:52] Speaker B: Ancient.
[01:50:52] Speaker A: Ancient.
[01:50:53] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah.
[01:50:55] Speaker A: Used to drop a piece of toast into their wine to signify find good health. Hence why in a modern day we raise a toast.
[01:51:03] Speaker B: Ah, raise a toast. I get it.
Etymology number two.
[01:51:11] Speaker A: The first speeding ticket was issued in the year 1896. It was given to a Mr. Walter Arnold in Kent. That's the UK.
[01:51:23] Speaker B: Was he riding a horse?
[01:51:24] Speaker A: Mr. Arnold was in his first motorized vehicle speeding.
[01:51:28] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:51:29] Speaker A: Mr. Arnold was four times the legal limit of two miles per hour and was pursued for five miles by a policeman on a bicycle.
[01:51:44] Speaker B: What a wild time to be alive.
[01:51:46] Speaker A: We're going eight miles.
[01:51:47] Speaker B: That son of a was going eight.
No way.
Why you even. Why even have cars at that point? I could literally. I could literally walk that fast. Like, why even have cars?
[01:52:00] Speaker A: Pretty brisk pace.
[01:52:01] Speaker B: No, I'm talking two miles an hour. Like that's the speed limit. I could walk that. Why you have cars?
[01:52:06] Speaker A: People walk slower then, man. That's why it took them so long to get across the Oregon Trail.
[01:52:10] Speaker B: What a bunch of idiots.
[01:52:13] Speaker A: Number three, candles. Candles were once eaten in famines, being mainly created from beef fat or beeswax. They were often stolen during famines to keep people alive.
[01:52:28] Speaker B: I'm bored by famine.
[01:52:30] Speaker A: Bored by famine.
Then, my friends, is facts for days. The last facts for days for.
[01:52:37] Speaker B: So all these people that eat candles. Cuz like that's like a thing. Like some people eat candles for whatever reason. Like it's. It was normal at one point.
[01:52:45] Speaker A: Used to be a totally normal fat.
[01:52:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:52:47] Speaker C: Delicious tallow making a comeback right now. Yeah, tallow candles and whatnot.
[01:52:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I know.
[01:52:54] Speaker A: Tallow in general is experiencing a very big comeback right now. I gotta.
[01:52:58] Speaker C: I got a tub of it in my house.
[01:53:00] Speaker A: People are using it for obviously for cooking.
[01:53:02] Speaker B: Who doesn't have a tub of that?
[01:53:03] Speaker A: Yeah, Food storage for skin.
[01:53:07] Speaker C: Skin care. Yeah, candles.
[01:53:09] Speaker A: Tal is back in a big way.
[01:53:12] Speaker B: Never thought I'd hear that on this show.
[01:53:14] Speaker C: RFK has come out and told McDonald's to start frying their fried rise and tallow again.
[01:53:19] Speaker A: Yep. It'll be interesting, real interesting to see what happens with the whole rfk. And I don't get. Super, super.
[01:53:25] Speaker B: Yeah, no, no, we won't. We won't.
[01:53:26] Speaker A: But with. But I mean he's. He's promised to like crusade against the big food companies and that's a hot.
[01:53:34] Speaker B: Button issue right now.
[01:53:35] Speaker C: I hope he does.
[01:53:36] Speaker A: The truth is like, there's a lot of stuff in Our food in the United States that isn't in food around the world. So we'll see if he can. If he does actually change anything and what he changes it to.
[01:53:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it is one of those things that just with social media and the Internet the way it is now, like the information was easy to hide from all of us before and now it's not so much, so.
[01:53:57] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, no one knew what yellow 5 or red 7 was.
[01:54:01] Speaker B: The dyes is the big thing. Like that's like coming up right now. And like any, any red dyes, yellow.
[01:54:07] Speaker A: Dyes, things unnecessarily, just to make them look more.
[01:54:10] Speaker C: You're gonna sell, you're gonna sell the same product but different ingredients to my friend in England that you're gonna sell to me, right? That's bullshit.
[01:54:16] Speaker A: And ours has 18 more chemicals and.
[01:54:18] Speaker B: With, with the red dyes and stuff, like they're just like, you look at like all natural foods and they just dye the stuff with like beet juice. And it's like, why can't you just dye stuff with beet juice? That's not going to kill me.
[01:54:29] Speaker A: Well, the weird thing too is like, I think part of this has been like infant development and education and around health. There like, there's a lot of like kids that are allergic or have a.
[01:54:40] Speaker B: There's a lot of links to like, like different health just like can't digest.
[01:54:46] Speaker A: Like certain, certain chemicals. And now we're finding all that out.
[01:54:49] Speaker B: Let's not get too far into that. YouTube's gonna be mad at us.
[01:54:51] Speaker A: Can I bring up one other political. But I just think like this a fact that like, yeah, there are chemicals in our food that aren't in England, like cereals and stuff.
[01:54:59] Speaker C: I heard this brought up the other day. Honey.
And you can't feed under one year old honey.
[01:55:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:55:07] Speaker C: And where the hell did that come from? Basically is what this person was saying. You can give your, your baby as much sugar as you want. And nobody says a word about that yet. You can't give them honey.
[01:55:16] Speaker B: It does. And it's how it's.
[01:55:19] Speaker C: There's some, there's some history to it actually, and it's pretty bizarre. And if you go look it up, it's like, really? This is what we based this off.
[01:55:27] Speaker A: I always thought it was just due to like the potential bacteria given the way honey originates.
[01:55:33] Speaker C: It's very limited, like risk factor. Very, very limited.
[01:55:38] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure our pediatrician told it was more so to do with, with like choking hazards.
[01:55:43] Speaker C: I don't know. About that, but.
[01:55:44] Speaker B: And like the way it coats their throat and stuff. But I could be wrong.
[01:55:47] Speaker C: It dissolves.
[01:55:49] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like sugar basically.
[01:55:51] Speaker C: But it's just natural.
[01:55:52] Speaker A: I always just thought it was just because there's potential back.
[01:55:54] Speaker C: I just had never heard that before. Somebody questioned that and I was like, yeah, why isn't that questioned?
[01:55:58] Speaker A: I just, I mean I think it's. It seems like I'm not a doctor, I don't give medical advice. But I'm just, just, just from, with having kids and the things that like I think doctors are telling people now is like we for a long time were like, don't give kids peanut butter or eggs or whatever until certain ages. And then like all of a sudden these kids are allergic to milk and eggs and peanut butter. It's like cuz we never introduced it to them when their bodies were developing like.
[01:56:21] Speaker B: That's true. We're going to get off the subject though because I know it gets a little sticky in social media.
[01:56:25] Speaker A: Honey is sticky.
[01:56:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just going to go with I. I have a family member that I know. Like when they were like really, really, really little. They're grown adults now in like their 60s, but when they were really little, they ate candles. Tell them it's okay. You can do that. It's okay.
[01:56:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Facts for days says it's fine.
[01:56:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
[01:56:43] Speaker A: Tallow's back in a big way though. Go tallow.
[01:56:46] Speaker B: Baby slogan for burning over sportscast. Talo's back in a big way.
[01:56:49] Speaker A: The brown suck. Go tallow.
[01:56:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Bone, you got anything to say?
[01:56:54] Speaker C: Yes. Good night. Bon appetit.
[01:56:57] Speaker A: Also applies to talent. Tallow.
[01:56:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:57:00] Speaker A: Don't just be a part of the tallow problem. Be the whole damn tallow problem.
[01:57:03] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires. Don't leave those tallow candle candles burning.
[01:57:09] Speaker A: Don't. No, no, no.
[01:57:10] Speaker C: You try your food in tallow.
[01:57:13] Speaker A: Yes. See you all soon. We're taking a break.
[01:57:17] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:57:18] Speaker A: We're taking a vacation.
[01:57:19] Speaker B: We're taking a break.
[01:57:20] Speaker A: Staycation. Vacation. Break it. Brocations.
[01:57:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:57:24] Speaker A: Babycations. Birthday cations.
[01:57:26] Speaker B: We're taking occasions.
[01:57:27] Speaker A: Taking occasions. Occasions.
[01:57:29] Speaker B: Caion.
[01:57:30] Speaker A: Caion. Caj. Raging Cajuns.
[01:57:33] Speaker B: Bon, you got a song for us?
Was that Flight of the bubble?
[01:57:55] Speaker A: This is a one man band, baby.
[01:57:58] Speaker B: I'm impressed. Color me impressed.
[01:58:01] Speaker A: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:58:02] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[01:58:03] Speaker C: Good night, Aaron.
[01:58:04] Speaker B: Quiet on set.
[01:58:05] Speaker A: I now have two loves in my life.
[01:58:09] Speaker B: Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's house.
[01:58:18] Speaker A: I can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass.
[01:58:22] Speaker B: Yeah, didn't think we'd get in there.
[01:58:24] Speaker A: We talk a lot of analingus on this show.
[01:58:27] Speaker B: So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the burning river Sports Cat.
[01:58:37] Speaker A: Motorboat.
[01:58:37] Speaker B: You play the motorboat.
You motorboat.
[01:58:42] Speaker A: Son of a.
[01:58:42] Speaker B: You go seal. Are you.
[01:58:43] Speaker A: You know, I was thinking during that interview.
[01:58:45] Speaker B: What? What were you? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts, Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
[01:58:50] Speaker A: Wow.
[01:58:50] Speaker B: My name is Utred. Son of Utred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[01:58:57] Speaker A: Women's Guide to. To Anal Sex and it was the second edition. Who makes second edition?
[01:59:03] Speaker C: The weather outside is weather.
[01:59:05] Speaker B: The other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh my God. My ass is full of he. Everywhere.
[01:59:13] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:59:14] Speaker A: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[01:59:16] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:59:17] Speaker B: Oh no. We suck again.
[01:59:20] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[01:59:23] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[01:59:24] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[01:59:24] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:59:25] Speaker B: Touchdown.
[01:59:27] Speaker A: What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
[01:59:29] Speaker B: It's going down. I'm yelling.
[01:59:31] Speaker A: Timber.
[01:59:34] Speaker B: Should we start a meat podcast? Like. Like, like the meat pod Slow roasted?
[01:59:43] Speaker A: The leads are weak. Leads are weak. Fucking leads are weak. You're weak. Then we should send a team of oil core drillers a la Armageddon to Mars to have them access the newly discovered reservoirs of water traps 7 to 12 miles under the surface that when released, will cover the entirety of everything on the planet. Less than a mile high.
[01:59:58] Speaker B: All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. I mean, when I. Last year, when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground. Wow. But damn.
[02:00:09] Speaker A: I'm sorry I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
You know why, mister? Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight.
[02:00:18] Speaker B: I drove an $80,000 BMW.
[02:00:21] Speaker A: That's my name.
[02:00:22] Speaker B: I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:00:30] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[02:00:31] Speaker B: I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
[02:00:34] Speaker A: Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love. We need cheese girl. Now who's canceled now. Who's canceled now?
[02:00:45] Speaker B: Probably me.
[02:00:46] Speaker A: You making it for the fat people.
[02:00:49] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[02:00:51] Speaker A: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:00:54] Speaker B: No way you're just straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:01:00] Speaker C: You first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:01:05] Speaker A: You like to see almost naked. That's cool, man. Whatever.
[02:01:08] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. Most people like they're driving along and they're like in between meals, they're like, I'm a little hungry. I'm gonna have a granola bar. And it's like, I need a cheeseburger.
[02:01:16] Speaker A: Are you not entertained?
[02:01:19] Speaker B: Are you not entertained?
[02:01:23] Speaker A: Is this not why you are here?
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