[00:00:00] Speaker A: Typing media it's time. Time for the Burning river sportscast. The offseason is cooking, free agents signed and the draft finalized. With rosters nearing completion and offseason workouts underway, optimism is high among many of the NFL's ball clubs. Where do our browns land in all of this? Meanwhile, the background has been filled with administrative discussion around plans for a new stadium with the first official renderings of a new campus in Brook park hitting today. Damn, it feels good to be back. And a huge shout out to our Cavaliers as they look to close out a pesky Magic squad in the NBA playoffs. And lest we not forget the white hot Guardians who have flown out of the gate to start the schlog that is the major League baseball.
And you know, we'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning river sportscast.
She was must see tv.
[00:01:19] Speaker B: The Miz.
[00:01:20] Speaker A: She was. She was the miz of the NCAA. It's awesome.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: You kind of go to the Brown Stadium right now and it's cool because.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: It'S the factory of sadness.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: But, yeah, that's what it's kind of known for.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: This team needs more than anything for Deshaun Watson to throw for 5200 yards and 43 touchdowns and eight interceptions. That's what this team needs.
[00:01:43] Speaker B: If he throws for 52, whatever happens.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: After that, I would assume they'll win some games. But whatever happens after that, at least we could be like, okay, he became.
[00:01:51] Speaker B: The quarterback that we thought he was.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: Became the quarterback we thought he could be. He is who he thought we were thinking about what could happen in this world. Like, that would be the worst.
[00:02:00] Speaker B: Because you like Baker so much.
[00:02:01] Speaker A: That would be. The worst case scenario is DeShawn plays six games again this year and Baker ends up in the Super bowl. Let's be honest, the Bucks are playing the Houston Texans.
[00:02:09] Speaker C: That'd be terrible.
[00:02:12] Speaker B: There were parts of where we lived where I was like, I don't. Nobody should go here where we lived.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: Yeah, we probably shouldn't go there.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: Our apartment complex was very safe, though.
[00:02:20] Speaker A: Yeah. But outside of it wasn't.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah, you walked out. It was scary.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: We had a friend named Anus that lived outside of it. Yeah.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: His name was literally anus.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
It's not place you wanna be.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: The raiders during the combine posted a video of a DB running a particularly fast 40 with the caption, speed kills ain't going there.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: That is my biggest fear right now going into this season, is that, what if Deshawn's not ready until week four or five? And I mean, and you got this division that's just ready to eat ass. Like, I don't know.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: I never thought that I would hear that used as, like, a verb, which.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: Seems incredibly penal to me. Penal.
[00:03:02] Speaker B: That's a funny word.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: So I feel like I'm pretty well acclimated to speak on. Like, if there was a foremost expert in the world on these two, like, it's probably.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: That one gets me gassed up when you say stupid shit like that.
[00:03:22] Speaker C: I should have said swordfish nude.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Welcome into the burning river sportscast, presented by the fine folks at tap in media. I'm Kenny Thunder, and I'll be available as a write in candidate in at least 47 states this November. Seated beside the world's most average man, his tenacity scares no one. His personality smells like qualifiers, and he's as fun as a can of tuna. The mediocre male himself, Red hot Ronnie jams on the board today, the tallest guy in the room. Not all rooms, just this one. The big Bone man. Boner house of you from up there.
[00:03:57] Speaker C: I like looking down on you guys.
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[00:04:45] Speaker A: In fact, that's why we're back.
The draft episode.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah, we got a recap.
We'll also talk about all the other browns happenings in the last couple of weeks. Here we'll dabble in guardians and calves news because they're doing exciting things. And as always, we'll tell you what's been getting our dander up, whatever that means.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:05] Speaker B: So get on board and buy up that doge coin because we're taking you to the moon.
Let's get us started with a burning.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: Story of the week.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: All right, so, for the news story of the week, Kenny wants to actually talk about something. He wants to discuss something that's been in the news a lot lately. So what is that? Kenny?
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Been in the news a lot lately? Obviously.
The ladies college basketball season just recently ended. Katelyn straight fire headlined that with becoming the first pick in the WNBA draft. And around and around the carousel we go. Because every time we started looking at what male athletes make versus what female athletes make in similar leagues, we have to have this discussion around why the males are being paid more.
So I'd like to just put this to bed.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Cause this is the end all.
[00:06:09] Speaker A: Because this is the end of the discussion.
[00:06:11] Speaker B: Okay?
[00:06:12] Speaker A: There's no. There's no more discussion after this.
It's really, really simple. It comes down to money.
The NBA earned $10 billion in revenue last year.
The WNBA earned $60 million in revenue last year.
[00:06:26] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: That's a fraction of what the NBA earns every year. The average ticket price to an NBA game is $94. The average ticket price to a w game is $47.
Nice.
[00:06:38] Speaker B: I like the term. Even got the terminology down.
You're calling it the w. I like it.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Look, I'm a fan of Caitlyn Clark and the things that she's done. I hope that there's a resurgent effort in the WNBA to market its players and for people to watch and for people to buy their merchandise. But the fact is, if you look back at the NBA Finals, twelve and a half million people, on average, watched the NBA Finals.
412,000 watched the WNBA Finals. So there's just no comparison to. Like, when you say, okay, the best player or the highest paid player, it's Steph Curry at 48 million. And the highest paid in the WNBA is Jewel Lloyd at 228,000, ratioed with the revenue that comes in based on who's watching and buying the product.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: So, to be fair, I want to make sure I point this out to everybody listening.
We're not advocating that the women should be paid less in comparison to, like, the Rev. We're just saying if they. If both. I forget what the number you gave for the NBA was. However many billion.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: If they both earn $10 billion a year.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Then they should.
[00:07:52] Speaker A: Women would make as. Should make as much as them. As much as the men.
[00:07:54] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: The game.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: That's what we're saying.
[00:07:57] Speaker A: That big. And the biggest problem I have is that the people that complain the loudest about this are the ones that don't do anything about it. I'm a big fan of Caitlin Clark.
[00:08:05] Speaker B: I see that you went and bought your Indiana fever shirt.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: I went and buy my kid. But, you know, it's funny, you know? So that's the thing, right? Like, put your money where your mouth is. If you want the women to earn as much as the men, go buy your merch.
[00:08:18] Speaker B: Go.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: Go to a game. Go to a. Go get tickets to a game. I'm doing it. I'm here. I'm supporting. I'm saying, hey, Kaylan Clark is electrifying. She's fun to watch, love her game, everything about it.
But the people that are usually the loudest about this aren't doing that. And, in fact, I'll tell you this, too. The experience of buying from the WNBA shop.
This isn't a Caitlyn Clark shirt. Cause they don't got one my size.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: They don't have.
[00:08:47] Speaker A: These people knew that the biggest thing to happen to this league in the history of ever just happen. And they don't have shirts made for everybody.
They're sold out. Not even just for, like, little guys. They're totally sold out until, like, august. You don't try to try to buy a Caitlin collect jersey. You cannot buy one. They are sold out. How? They didn't make more of them ahead of knowing that literally 12 million people watched the national championship game that she was in, and she was going to be the first pick in the draft. They knew where she was going.
This beyond me. I bought this the day she was drafted. I got it this weekend. It was almost like the WNBA was like, oh, my God, somebody bought something from us. Like, they weren't even. They weren't even prepared for me to buy my Caitlin Clark stuff. So, you know, when I buy something, if I go buy a brown shirt, it's here in two days.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: And so it's like, again, just the.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: And then if you don't actually buy it in that time, they send you 45 emails that says, hey, you forgot to buy this while you were here.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Right? So, like, just in general, the experience is so different. Like, the distribution and merch isn't even up to speed with the men's leagues and the men's side of things. I go buy a Donovan Mitchell jersey tomorrow. It's my house the next day or the day after. This literally took almost two and a half weeks to get this t shirt, which is just the most generic fever t shirt I could find. Cause I was like, hey, I want to at least support the women somehow. I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is. Cause I would love to see women get paid more. It's a tough game they play, and it's fun to watch. And Caitlin Clark is certainly changing it, and I think we're gonna see more and more of that. There's some tremendous athletes in NCAA women's basketball right now that are going to continue to change the game, but it's just not there yet. So I'm just tired of this whole idea that there's, like, sexism or this gender pay gap that exists between female sports and male sports. Cause there isn't one. It's a.
How much money do you. I can't pay you more than the league makes, right?
[00:10:44] Speaker B: I mean, all these. All the major sporting leagues in America are based solely off of their tv deals and the money, like you said, the revenue they're bringing in. So if you don't have any more money to go around, then you can't pay people more.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: And some of this money is subsidized directly from the NBA.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: So the NBA wants them to succeed. Everybody.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: I mean, I think that's the thing.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Is people talk about the gender. The gender pay gap in this instance is the term that they use, really, like, they make it sound like nobody wants them to succeed, but we all do. We all want them to succeed. But think about the NBA, for example. The NBA, to get to where it is. Think about how much time that took. And, you know, if the. If the w is just starting to get big, if it's just starting to get a fan base, I mean, sure, you could probably do it a little bit quicker because there's a blueprint for it now, but you still have to build that fan base. You have to continue to build. And the other thing is, like, the number of prospects and, like, pro. Pro athletes, there's just less of them. Isn't there only, like, twelve teams or something?
[00:11:51] Speaker A: The teams are smaller in the w, so there's just less people overall. And it would staggering to see.
[00:11:56] Speaker B: I mean, it'd be a lot easier for me to watch the W if there was a team in Cleveland, right? So. But there's not. So.
[00:12:03] Speaker A: And I know it's staggering to see a number like, okay, Steph Curry makes $48 million. Well, the whole WNBA made $60 million. Like, yeah, that's crazy.
[00:12:12] Speaker B: Think about.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: It's a big number.
[00:12:13] Speaker B: But then you think about what NBA brought in.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: But to your point, think about how far that has come, because I was just. I just heard Barkley, Charles Barkley. Talking about how he first got into the league and he was overweight, and Moses Malone. He went to Moses Malone. He was like, I'm not getting playing time. I was like, a top five overall pick. Why is this going on? He's like, you're fat, you're lazy, and you're slow. And so Charles Barkley lost 50 pounds and then ended up playing and having, you know, being one of the greatest of all time, his position.
But he's like. Like, I got in shape for $2 million. So Charles Barkley didn't play that long ago, and that was. That was what his deal was. He was on a four year deal for $2 million.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: So in the time Charles Barkley to the time Steph Curry played, I mean, there's a lot that had to happen to get the salaries to where they were in the growth of the game, not only here, but globally. I mean, you think about the dream teams and the Olympic teams that have gone on to grow the game.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: That's why the NFL is dived so deep into the global markets initiative and everything is because they realize there's so much more market to capture. If we go global with.
[00:13:18] Speaker A: And you've got fans of these guys.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: The NBA realized this a long time ago.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Your jokes and these guys like that come from all over eastern european countries and stuff. Like, they have fan bases and people that watch from all over the world now.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: Like, the big thing in the NBA is the commissioner is scared to death to have the international versus USA game for the all star game instead of what it is now, because the international team would win every year.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: He would win.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: Yeah, every year they would win. Think of you got. You mentioned Jokic, luca. You've got answer to Kounmpo. Like, all these guys, literally, the top five guys, the one that's in talks for MVP right now, the young guy from the thunder.
Yeah. I can't remember his name clearly. We've talked football, not basketball, but I'm just saying.
[00:14:12] Speaker A: Shane Gillis.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
There's a point that they've got to get to, and they've got to expand and they got to get bigger, and these women will get paid.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I just. So I just want to. Look, I just want to be known to, like. Like, the conversation should end here. Like, when the WNBA is as big as the NBA, if they're still paying women pennies on the dollar, that's a problem.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: There needs to be an uprising right now.
[00:14:35] Speaker A: They're paying the women what they can afford to pay them as professional athletes. And and I know that that seems unfair, and it's consistent, really, across the board. Like, women's professional softball players don't make a lot of money like the soccer players. Again, soccer is a little different. Some of those girls have made out pretty well, but still, like, contractually, I mean, you look at the top plate, soccer players in the world that are men, they're making more than the women. It's just, the game is just not.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: I think the big game changer now is endorsement deals and the fact that, like, social media the way it is and everything else. Like, Caitlin Clark is gonna make exponentially more money on endorsement deals.
[00:15:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:15:11] Speaker B: Ever is going to.
[00:15:12] Speaker A: She's already got a Nike deal lined up for the eight, eight years, almost $30 million. Right shoe.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: So there is an avenue for them to make a lot more money than they used to make, which is awesome.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: And girls like Caitlin Clark, it's going.
[00:15:25] Speaker B: To take some time.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: And girls like Caitlin Clark are helping push that forward. And it's almost like I've seen this, this old guard in the WNBA that's like, oh, well, we'll see it when you get to the WB. Like, this is good for the WNBA to embrace it. People like her come in and have eyes on them because it's only going to help you all get paid more at the end of the day.
[00:15:45] Speaker B: Final thought here. Just think of all of the alumni interviews we did for the fan crews, all these guys, and they talk about how much they were making back then when they played for the.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: Oh, they made nothing.
[00:15:55] Speaker B: They made nothing. Like, it was maybe a couple hundred thousand dollars, most of them. It wasn't even that.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: I mean, what was. What had been Davis? Was it Ben Davis?
[00:16:02] Speaker B: It was like he got $1,000 for.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: A signing bonus, and they only want to give him, what? 500.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: 500. He said, I need a thousand to get me out of here. And they said, okay, done. So.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: And that's exactly right. Like, that's the scale that you have to go from, from the 1960s and seventies to today, where Patrick Mahomes, and.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: Again, I'm sure a $500 million contract. I'm sure if you. You continue to pump out quality, you know, athletes and put them into the WNBA, it's going to happen a lot faster than it has. Just because there's blueprints now. There's things to follow for this. You know how to get there, but.
[00:16:38] Speaker A: And they have to market the league better. They have to do their own part to make the league known and make their players known. That's why Caitlin Clark has been so popular is because she played in college for a long time. It was good. She broke every record. She was. She was must see tv.
[00:16:53] Speaker B: The Miz.
[00:16:54] Speaker A: She was the miz of the NCAA. It's awesome.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: Starting the WWE references early.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: So, anyway, look, the conversation ends here. It's not unfair. It's not sexist. It's just the truth and the reality of where we are in the world. And someday we want them to be.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Paid as much as the men. There's just revenue.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: 30 teams in the WNBA, and it's making eight and $10 billion a year. And those women will make bank just like the men.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Until then, that'll take us to the burning river rundown.
So, to start the burning river rundown this month, we recognize and honor the rich and beautiful culture of asian american, native hawaiian, and pacific islanders across the globe.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: Aanhpi, baby.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: Yep. This is a great month where we can honor this wonderful group of people and all their accomplishments in the world we live in. So I'm excited about this.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: May, right? It's May.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: May. Yes.
[00:17:55] Speaker A: May the fourth be with you.
[00:17:57] Speaker B: So next up, though, in Brownsville, Gasenco.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: De Mayo in May. May's got a lot of good stuff. Memorial Day, unofficial start of summer.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Start of summer.
[00:18:06] Speaker C: Start swimming.
[00:18:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: I'm gonna try and force my mom to fill her pool this weekend so we can finally do some swimming. Nice. The weather's, like, finally broke here. Like, do we feel like a couple 80 degrees? Do we feel like winter is done? Like. Like, is it done for real this time?
[00:18:21] Speaker B: I think it's done.
[00:18:22] Speaker C: I was talking with a co worker today, and we were basically just like, is winter back yet? It's too hot.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Well, because we've had several 80 degree days in the past week, and it's.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: Like, I know it's gonna be sneak up.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: I'm out there doing. We'll talk about this more later because.
But those days sneak up on you.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: Dander up.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah. But anyways, in Browns news, we'll start with contract news for the team right now. Fifth year option picked up for Greg Newsome. So it keeps him here at least one more year. Keeps that trio of cornerbacks. We have probably the best trio of cornerbacks in the entire league. Keeping them together this year. So it's really big for the secondary.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Might be one of the best just overall secondaries in the. I mean, period.
[00:19:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, you add in the other guys. You're talking about Juan Thornhill. You're talking about grand delpit Grand, delpit McLeod, like, pretty legit. Denzel, we already talked about that.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: Well, I'm just saying, I mean, the secondary in general, it's the highway state.
[00:19:18] Speaker C: Kid that kind of came on.
[00:19:20] Speaker B: Ronnie Hickman.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they've got depth. They've got, they've got starters in depth at all those positions. Got it all, and they're really good.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: What else can you say? Pretty much said at all.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: Pretty much said it all.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: Next up, the restructures for the Browns. So obviously, we haven't been on in a few weeks, so a lot of this happened, and we're covering it now. We know it's old news, but we just want to kind of talk about what happened with the restructure. So, first and foremost, obviously wasn't the first one to happen, but it was the best news we heard all season one or all offseason. Nick Chubb had his contract restructured, keeping him here at least one more year. He took a lower base salary and actually like what the team did here because the team, basically, the situation that they were in with the contract of Nick Chubb and his injury and everything else, it was kind of. It's just not an easy position for anybody to be in team player anything, because of the optics on either for the team, wanting to take care of your guy, all that stuff. Also wanting to make good business decisions.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: And truly, you don't know how he's going to come back. Right.
[00:20:24] Speaker B: So I really like what they did here. He took a pay cut. He took about $4 million pay cut for this year. But what they did was they kind of tacked it on in incentives. They said, you take a lower base salary if you are able to work back from your injury, you're able to hit these certain benchmarks. We will give that money back to you in incentives.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: So it gives him a chance to still remain where he was, which I really, really like.
[00:20:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, we've talked to Nazi about running backs and how they're getting the short end of the stick here. It feels like the Browns did right by him. This was the burning question of the offseason. We've been talking about it for a long time.
[00:20:55] Speaker B: The burning question of the burning river.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: Whether or not, whether or not Nick Chubb was even going to be on this roster because of all of this.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: I was 99% sure he wasn't. They surprised me.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: This was huge to be able to say, okay, we got our guy. He's going to be around at least through the rest of this year, and they didn't screw him. I mean, it feels good from a player perspective. It feels like they did right by him but also made a prudent move for the organization. Like, I think this is one of.
[00:21:23] Speaker B: The, it was like a win, like, they did. The only move that could be made that was win win for, like, just.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: Everybody came out on top in most negotiations. The outcome, like, both parties feel. Walk away like they gave something up. This kind of feels like a way, like a real win win for both.
[00:21:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Needless to say, I'm full Chubb for Nick Chubb.
[00:21:41] Speaker A: Full chubb.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: Hell yes. Next up here, Denzel Ward. They restructured his contract and saved 11 million plus in salary cap space this year.
Jedrick Wills, they restructured his contract, saving 10 million plus. And then Jerry Judy, who we traded for, was resigned and restructured. Saved about $10 million there as well.
[00:22:07] Speaker A: Andrew Barry, just moving that monopoly money around. Yeah.
[00:22:11] Speaker B: It really is just fake money.
[00:22:13] Speaker A: He's good.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: Salary cap?
[00:22:14] Speaker A: What?
[00:22:14] Speaker B: Salary cap?
But next up here, we have some free agency news for the Browns. Both of these are actually very, very recent. The Browns, over the weekend, I believe, signed center Brian Allen.
[00:22:29] Speaker A: Center.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: Yep. Started 32 games and four seasons for the Rams. Just adds depth to that line, and we'll talk more about this a little later in the show. But they did a very good job in the offseason of adding a lot of depth to the offensive line. So this is, this is big. And speaking of offensive line, they also signed tackle Roy.
Here we go.
I think that's right. He was signed via the international player pathway program. This guy was born in Nigeria. He's kind of spent some time on practice squads around the league the last two years, but he did not play high school or college football. He's just a big, raw athlete.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: Yeah. I think the interesting thing here is I think they get 90 players for their offseason roster until they need to make cuts down to, you know, the final 53. This, because it's part of the international player pathway program, does not count against their active roster. So it's kind of a chance to get a guy in, see what kind of talent he has, see if you can develop him. In. Worst case scenario, you're not out at a roster spot, even keeping him around.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: It may happen like, like it's happened the last couple years, and he may end up on our practice squad as, like, an emergency speaker. Two.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of a nice piece that, like, because they're trying to grow the game internationally, this is kind of a nice byproduct of that. Like, you're starting to bring in foreign players, much like the NBA has. Like we just talked about. The foreign presence in the NBA is huge. And if we can start seeing that in football, I mean, who knows the kinds of athletes that. I mean. I mean, you couldn't before. Before there was that much presence of european basketball in the NBA. Like, who could have imagined you'd have all these, like, I don't know, big white guys that could shoot threes? Like, they just showed up out of nowhere and changed the game of basketball. Like, who knows what they're going to bring to the NFL?
[00:24:13] Speaker B: The NBA is wild. Like, they literally are. Just like, let's just see how far we can shoot.
That's the name of the game now. Like, let's pull up a half court. No problem. It's just crazy. And, yeah, all the. All the centers and everybody that are traditionally big guys, just, you know. Yeah, we all banging on the boards and getting rebounds.
Like, nah, you can't play in today's NBA unless you could also shoot a three. Got, like, Anthony Davis out there taking threes for no reason.
[00:24:39] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Crazy. But anyways, we also had some stadium news for the Browns. Again, this is. This is very recent. Just happened over the weekend as well, if I'm not mistaken. The Haslams met with state lawmakers to discuss the Brook park stadium plans. And so, basically, this was sold as, quote, an unprecedented economic development effort that includes a domed stadium, an entertainment and lifestyle district that would be mostly private, privately funded, but would likely cost taxpayers significantly, too.
And promptly. Right after this thing. Even though the Browns said that they would not release any renderings or anything like that anytime soon. Literally, like, the day it happened, the renderings for the entire campus got leaked somehow.
Let me tell you, this place looks fucking legit.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: Yeah, obviously, there's the renderings. I think there's really only the one picture has been leaked so far. So I'm looking forward to, like, as more stuff renderings.
[00:25:38] Speaker B: But, I mean, it's just, like, campus. Like, it's pretty legit.
[00:25:41] Speaker A: Because before that, all we had was, like, the map, and they were like, oh, we're gonna put a hotel here and the stadium here.
[00:25:46] Speaker B: So to see the actual 2D is no fun.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: 3D renderings was very cool. I'll say this. Before we took our hiatus, I went on a trip to Missouri, to the Ozarks. Quick vacation as we wrapped up our season here. And on the way there, we stayed in St. Louis for a night just to break up the drive.
I was kind of on the fence about whether I wanted a Doman Brook park or wanted them to rehab the stadium there on the lakefront.
I did not expect St. Louis to change my life the way that it did.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: How so?
[00:26:25] Speaker A: The St. Louis Cardinals stadium has this entire block, basically, that is like the Cardinals village. All around it, they have a giant, like, as you pull into the parking lot, there's a giant World Series trophy that's like 100ft tall. It's super cool. I won't have the years that they've won the World Series, whatever, but it's literally just a bunch of bars and restaurants that are all, like, baseball themed and cardinals themed. There's a museum on the campus. There's this huge outdoor amphitheater that's got a baseball diamond kind of painted on it. Kids were out there. They were in corn hole. There was all these bars that have kind of, like, outdoor seating and pickup windows so that you could go literally. And they weren't playing there that night. They were playing an away game, but there were still bars that were packed full of people that were just watching the away game on the giant tvs that they have out in this giant epither. And I was just like, this is such a cool experience. And I kept thinking about, like, if this is, this is the type of, like, when you think about what they were talking about, the Browns were talking about is to build this whole, you know, hotels, restaurants, bars all built around the stadium. It's just changes the game day experience so much.
All the parking and everything is convenient and next to the event that's there, it just, it was so cool. And I just kept thinking to myself, like, if this is what the Haslams want to build in Cleveland, like, I am all in on that. Like, I, at this point, I could care less about the lake front and the wind and the outdoor and the elements and football. To have a dome stadium and have all that around it to where it's just literally a Cleveland Browns village that has, you know, shops that sell brown's clothes and memorabilia and music. Like a museum. Like, it would kind of be like the Pro football Hall of Fame. Like what they've done with the village there, but all around stadium.
Very, very cool.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Here's the deal. The Haslams, no business, right? And I'm sure that they have a lot of people telling them, like, look, I know the fans are complaining and they're saying they want the football and the elements, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. At the end of the day fan experience is gonna win out over everything.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: People think about themselves.
So you went and you put yourself in those shoes, and you said, this is nice.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: Well, when I think about, like, we talk about, the brown stadium can only be used for a few months out of the year. If you have these hotels and stuff and a museum and bars and restaurants. I mean, this is now something that you can go to that place any time of year and do activities, have fun, go out and have a night out at the different bars and go to different places and see all these different things. To where, like, you go down to the stadium. I mean, it's just the stadium. There's always there. This is a whole, like, community grounds that is open all year long that has really cool stuff. There's.
Yeah, I mean, long story short, St. Louis changed my life. And that's, like, an older stadium, too. That, like, that's probably been there a while. Yeah. I've never been to St. Louis, so I didn't know it was there.
[00:29:27] Speaker B: Look at the renderings for the Brown stadium. I was like, this. This is what I'm talking about. Like, you go there, and you feel like, to me, you kind of go to the brown stadium right now, and.
[00:29:37] Speaker A: It'S cool because it's the factory of sadness.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: But, yeah, that's what it's kind of known for. Like, you go to this place, and you're like, yeah, this is a new era. Like, this is legit. We've got the best of the best stuff.
And did you see in the renderings, you see the city of Cleveland in the background? Like we were talking about?
[00:29:52] Speaker A: You know what's funny? Is it actually. Because that was one of my worries, was, like, when they show the overhead view of the stadium. But I was like, this actually would workey tower and stuff from there.
[00:30:02] Speaker B: But, yeah, I just.
Again, it was just a basic rendering of, like, kind of like a. I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:30:10] Speaker A: It's the primary area there, the stadium. And some of those didn't really give.
[00:30:13] Speaker B: Us much, but it gave me enough to be like, yeah, I'm all in on this. Like, I think. I think it's safe to say our entire show is all in on Brook park.
[00:30:20] Speaker A: And again, like, if you're there. Yeah, yeah, I'm a hundred percent.
[00:30:24] Speaker C: Have you guys walked from, like, the flats? Like, have you been to the flats before a game and then walked to the stadium?
[00:30:28] Speaker B: Yes. It's a walk.
[00:30:29] Speaker A: 20 forever. Yes. It was the worst day of my life when I did that.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: I was gonna say, I don't think Kenny would make it.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: I did that. Cause we had parks down. Down there because there's a lot of good bars and stuff down there. And we had to walk back because we couldn't get an Uber, guys. And it was terrible. You know, it was like. It was like, you know, summertime at the beginning of season, we were at a game and it was still 90 degrees outside. And I got my browns jersey on. Like, I almost died walking back to the flats. It was terrible.
[00:30:55] Speaker B: You're like, I don't want to go to the game. I'm done.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, the thing is, like, we were in a suite because it was like a corporate event, so I was, like, in the air condition. It was great. And then we had to walk, like an hour back to the flats.
[00:31:03] Speaker B: Cause it's not just a walk.
[00:31:05] Speaker A: You have traffic. Stupid expressway there. Like, it's not even, like, a safe walk. Like, it's. It's kind of some scary.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: It's pretty wild.
You know what this means, though? I actually just thought of this. I hadn't thought about it until you just said that. They talk about the impact businesses, all that stuff. We understand. Is this going to be like, the fourth time that we've seen the demise of the flats?
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Right?
I mean, what is there eight or nine game days?
[00:31:33] Speaker B: You know, they've literally built the flats up so many times, and then it's around for, like, ten plus years.
[00:31:40] Speaker A: There's so much stuff there now, though, in new housing, that I think that those bars will make do.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: I hope so. Game day experiences. It's just not going to be right next to her.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: A lot of people, I'm sure, will still have tailgates and stuff down there, but, yeah, I mean, just. What a different experience. Again, I think about this is, like, as an all year thing, right? You can go down in the summertime for the Taylor Swift concert, but, like, spend half the day going to Brown's bars and stuff. Like, it's just. It's a whole different experience anytime you're down at the stadium.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: I mean, I'm all in. I'm in for. So what changed my life on this whole. In my perspective on, like, this type of thing, like, this whole, you know, fan experience thing is the first time that Emily and I went to Universal Studios in Orlando.
[00:32:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:28] Speaker B: And so you go in and literally every ride, everything you do. Like, we have Cedar point up here. Cedar point is fantastic.
[00:32:33] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:32:34] Speaker B: Love cedar point. I love roller coasters. They have the best roller coasters up here.
The overall experience sometimes isn't that great. You're just standing in line. There's not a lot to look at. You're just terrible. Experience, whatever.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: Other than being on the rides, it's terrible.
[00:32:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:49] Speaker A: Walking. It's hot.
[00:32:50] Speaker B: You go to Universal Studios, and I know Disney has done the same thing now, and Disney kind of did it to a lesser extent, even before Universal Studios did it. But you go to Universal Studios, and I'm using them as an example, because I've had the most experience there is.
Literally, everything is like, you're there like that. Like, Harry Potter world was, like, the main area there. Like, you're there, you're in the movies. Like, it looks exactly like it does there. They do. They use all kinds of visual effects tricks to make the castle look like it's, like, the actual size of the castle, even though it's, like, a fraction of the size. Like, it's insane. It's awesome.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: And again, in that area, look around and, like, next to Universal is, like, universal city walk. It has all the bars and restaurants and stuff.
[00:33:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: Think about what's around.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: That's my point, is, like, it's this whole, like, from the time you even get into that area, it's just. Yeah, everywhere you look, there's. There's something to do. There's something fun to be, you know, seen or to be involved with.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: You're there for more than just the game.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'm. I'm all in. I'm. I'm ready. Brooke park, here we come.
[00:33:50] Speaker A: I'm hard for it.
[00:33:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Full chubb for. Full chubb for Brook Park.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: I went from six to midnight when I went to St. Louis.
[00:33:59] Speaker B: But, yeah, I guess enough about the campus and how dope it's going to be, because it's inevitable at this point. Like, that's.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I think that's. We're just going to hope at this point, right? Like, they will be disappointed now if they're, like, gonna throw some money in the old stadium. I do feel bad about the downtown businesses, and I do feel bad about, like, what will become of the lakeshore, because if they demolish it, I don't know, maybe they'll keep the stadium for high school games and stuff or whatever. College.
[00:34:21] Speaker B: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. And it's something that nobody wants to try.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: See, you'll get a football team.
[00:34:27] Speaker B: Yeah. It's something that nobody really wants to bring up is that whole plan was doomed from the beginning, though, because when you put a stadium on an island like that, where there's no room to put anything around it, like, what else could happen?
[00:34:39] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, it's always been the problem, right? There's on the lakefront, but again, that's what I'm saying. And then the city sad about, like, it'll just be a dilapidated. Another dilapidated building.
[00:34:48] Speaker B: The city talks about it, but they've always refused to actually develop the lakefront, so.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:54] Speaker B: What are you gonna do?
[00:34:54] Speaker A: Maybe they can build a WNBA stadium there.
[00:34:57] Speaker B: Oh, nice. I'm in. I'm in.
[00:34:59] Speaker A: Bring the rockers back.
[00:35:00] Speaker C: Is Cleveland getting a professional soccer team?
[00:35:02] Speaker A: There's been talks of that in NHL.
[00:35:04] Speaker B: So getting an MLS team at some point, I know that, but I don't think it's in the Premier league. I think it's in, like, the one lower.
[00:35:11] Speaker C: Gotcha.
[00:35:12] Speaker A: I think.
[00:35:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I think you're right.
[00:35:13] Speaker B: But they are getting an MLS team. Like, that's. It's just.
[00:35:16] Speaker A: Well, maybe they can put that on the lakeshore.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: It's true.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: And then.
Did you say they were talking about a hockey team?
[00:35:25] Speaker A: You know, they're always talking about everything.
[00:35:27] Speaker B: I would love to have a hockey team here. I really have tried so hard to get into hockey multiple times, but then I ended up watching the Blue Jackets, and I'm just like. I just can't. Like, I want to. That's the team that I follow if I'm following hockey. But I'll be up front and say, it's so hard to just follow it because I have no connection to Columbus other than Ohio State.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:47] Speaker B: And Ohio State. The main reason, like, one of the big reasons why I grew up loving Ohio State is because my uncle actually played for him. So it's like, I had a close tie there, and then it. Well, just.
[00:35:57] Speaker A: I mean, cultural is just different, right. Because it's also football. So, you know, it's like watching the USFL versus, like. Like. Right, the NFL. If you're watching Ohio State versus, like, Akron or Kent, play. Like, you could be a lifelong Kent state fan, but, like, you're never gonna see him playing a bowl game. I mean, I guess you might in today's world where you can win for.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: I should have went the same route as you started, like, in the national predators and.
[00:36:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I do. I mean, they're kind of my hockey. They're my adopted hockey team. Like, I'm. Again, I'm not the world's biggest hockey fan. I enjoy hockey. I enjoy the physicality of the game. Like, when you think about the NFL and where it's gone, trying to, like, eliminate contact in hockey. They're just like, we just throw down infisticuffs whenever we want, and then it's fine. I'm like, this is what I'd pay to see.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: They literally stand back until somebody hits the ice. Then they're like, I guess we'll stop the fight now.
[00:36:45] Speaker A: I don't understand, like, some of the culture with, like, the weird fish throwing and things. Like, there's some things about hockey that I'm just like, I'm not really a fan of, but the game itself seems.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: Like the most devastating thing you could do to a person is throw fish at them.
[00:36:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes. But, like, these guys, just, like, there's so many stories of guys that have broken arms, legs, hands, ankles, teeth knocked out, and they just go back out there and finish the game. Because, like, it's just like, that canadian mentality of, like, I don't even know where it comes from, but I just like the original old school hockey guys that they all just want to be Superman. And a lot of them are. And they're tremendous athletes, too. I mean, these guys skate. I've been ice skating one time in my life.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: You're so soft.
[00:37:25] Speaker A: My feet hurt so bad. I was, like, crying, and I'm like, I'm a grown ass man crying. My feet hurt. These guys just fly around at light speed on the ice for you, that's.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: A lot of weight on a little blade.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: I was much smaller when this happened.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: Sure you were.
[00:37:42] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, it's just tremendous athleticism, tremendous game. But I agree. I'm not a blue jacket. I never got into watching Blue Jackets hockey.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: I have fun watching it when I watch it, but it's just hard to get invested. When they're in Columbus, there's really no chance for me to go see a game ever.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: Even watching them on tv is.
It feels like hockey's on when there's nothing else on, and they just kind of, like, throw it in. I'm like, it's probably tied in with.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: The w, where it's, like, bad. Not as good a marketing, even though I know the NHL is huge, but it's. I would say marketing is here, right?
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Like, there's hockey cities like, you go to Quebec and Montreal.
[00:38:21] Speaker B: Like, people are probably like, these idiots don't know anything about.
[00:38:24] Speaker C: We grew up in areas that have hockey. No schools had hockey in our area. I know further in northeast Ohio, there's a lot of schools that have it.
[00:38:32] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, there's like. I mean, Kent State's probably the closest place you can go to.
[00:38:36] Speaker B: Like, they close their ice arena.
[00:38:37] Speaker A: I mean, but you could. When we were little, there's one.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: I think they just.
[00:38:41] Speaker C: For the public, though, center ice is down by the Akron Canton airport. Yeah, they got. My brother in law plays in the league.
[00:38:46] Speaker B: Besides that, the only other one I know of is up in Lakewood.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: I mean, it's kind of an expensive game to, like, if my kid came to me, like, I want to learn to play hockey, I'd be like, great. Like, think about all the equipment you got to have and, like, lessons. Learn how to skate. Like, that's not a cheap game.
[00:39:01] Speaker C: Goalie gear is like thousands of dollars.
[00:39:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean. Cause you'll get your teeth knocked out.
[00:39:06] Speaker B: I don't know. We spent a lot of time with this. It was even in the show notes. But next up for Brown's news. Yes, we are a Browns podcast.
The Deshawn Watson trade is finally complete.
Let me just. Let me just run this. This whole thing down for you guys in this trade. This is what the Texans received. They received the 2022 1st round pick from the Browns that became guard Kenyon Green. 2022 4th round pick that became running back Damien Pierce. 2023 1st round pick that became defensive end Will Anderson junior, who was the defensive rookie of the year. 2023 3rd round pick that became wide receiver Tank Dell. So we know he.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: So if we didn't trade for Deshaun Watson, Tank Dell never would have got shot.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: Maybe we didn't even talk about him getting shot yet, but that's coming. Yeah, I think that's got him shot. That feels bad.
2024 1st round pick, which they traded back in the draft this year with Minnesota. For their first round pick, they received a 2024 2nd round pick, which became cornerback Kamari Lassiter, and a 2024 six round pick, which became linebacker Jamal Hill. And then they also had another fourth round pick from us in this year's draft that was safety Kaden Bullock. And so.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: So they basically got half a team. Yeah, so they got it.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: They got a. They got a guard, a running back, a defensive end, a wide receiver, a cornerback, a linebacker and a safety.
[00:40:36] Speaker A: And we got a quarterback and played twelve.
[00:40:38] Speaker B: One of the defensive end Willie Anderson junior was defensive rookie of the year, which is pretty good. And Tank Dell wasn't bad himself. Damian Pierce had a couple good seasons. But anyways, the Browns received QB Deshaun Watson obviously played in twelve games. He's played in twelve games. And 2024, six round pick, which this part is actually some silver lining. They did include that six round pick. Then it helped them to get Jerry Judy.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: So that's good. So, I mean, overall, I think it's pretty obvious so far who's won this trip.
[00:41:10] Speaker C: Texans. The Texans won. Guys, the Texans.
[00:41:13] Speaker B: We did not win the Texans in this timeframe have turned into, I mean, they're going to be scary this coming season.
[00:41:20] Speaker A: Yeah. They're going to be really stacked.
[00:41:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And as long as they made some.
[00:41:26] Speaker A: Free agent moves this offseason, too, as.
[00:41:28] Speaker B: Long as CJ Stroud doesn't take like a massive step back, like, they're going to be a really good team.
[00:41:34] Speaker A: You know who else could be good is Washington? The commanders.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: No, just shut your mouth.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: I'm just saying those two teams, Houston and Washington, I think are the two teams that improved the most.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: I think the Steelers in the offseason.
[00:41:44] Speaker A: And the Steelers are right up there with them.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: But we'll get to that in a minute.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: The AFC north is just, I mean, it's stacked.
[00:41:49] Speaker B: We'll get to that in a minute. But, yeah, I mean, so like I said, the Jerry Judy trade helps our cause a little bit. But overall, clearly, clearly the Texans have won so far. And I think the only way that this trade isn't viewed as a complete failure for the Browns is like, we got to make a deep playoff run with Deshaun Watson this year. Like this year I think they got.
[00:42:11] Speaker A: To win the Super bowl because if.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: You don't make at least a deep.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: Playoff, you got to make it to the Super bowl.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: That would be nice, too. But like, if you don't at least make a deep playoff run this season, guess what, guys, we got a first round draft pick next year and you're probably looking at possibly drafting the future.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: I can't even use that as a criteria. Cause we made the playoffs last year and Deshawn had hardly anything to do with it.
This team needs, if more than anything, for Deshaun Watson to throw for 5200 yards and 43 touchdowns and eight interceptions. That's what this team needs.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: If he throws for 52 yards, whatever.
[00:42:42] Speaker A: Happens after that, I would assume they'll win some games. But whatever happens after that, at least we could be like, okay, he became.
[00:42:49] Speaker B: The quarterback that we thought he became.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: The quarterback we thought he could be. He is who he thought we were.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, at this point he probably has to have back to back 5200.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: Passing for us to feel even better about it.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: Because otherwise we should be like, this is lighting in a bottle. Let's get you next year. Is he gonna. Yeah, who knows?
[00:43:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. So, I mean, I think we're. We're all kind of there, and, you know, it sucks to say because there's all these. Baker this or Deshawn this or whatever the case is, like, you know, there's. There's so many different camps when it comes to this trade, and this trade was so polarizing, but at the end of the day, we're just looking at who won and who lost. And so far, Houston's won. Houston has won. And I'll say landslide.
[00:43:26] Speaker A: When you think about the. What the Browns need the most. What they need the least is for the Buccaneers to make a deep playoff run or end up in the Super bowl with Baker Mayfield. Yeah, that would look worse, which I.
[00:43:36] Speaker B: Don'T think will happen because they lost a lot of key players. But, you know, it is what it is.
[00:43:40] Speaker A: I mean, look, I'm not a Bucks fan. I'm just saying, like, when I think about what could happen in this world, like, that would be. The scenario is DeShawn plays six games again this year and Baker ends up in the Super bowl.
[00:43:52] Speaker B: Let's be honest, the Bucks are playing the Houston Texans. It'd be terrible, let's be honest. The Bucs are your second favorite team, though. Cause you love Baker.
[00:43:59] Speaker A: No, look, I like Baker. I think he was a good quarterback, and I think you could have won a lot of. I think you could make playoff runs with him.
But they Browns front office spelled differently, so. Fair. Not my problem.
[00:44:11] Speaker B: Next up here, though, AFC North News we talked about a little bit just a second ago, but obviously the draft was this past week. How did our division rivals do here?
[00:44:20] Speaker A: Really, really well.
[00:44:22] Speaker B: I do know the Steelers universally, like, across draft analysts and everybody else, like they were one of the top three teams in the draft.
[00:44:32] Speaker A: I mean, if you look at the grades, pretty consistently out of this draft, Steelers number one in the AFC North. Steelers number one, Cincinnati number two. Ravens number three, Browns number four. Part of that is the Browns didn't have a number one, a first round.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: Pick, so the Browns were never going to get a.
[00:44:48] Speaker A: The top talent went to these other teams. Right. I'll say this just about the draft in general. This year's draft was so. It was so unique because there were so many offensive players. There was almost like hardly any high ranked defensive players.
I think there were like 22 or more offensive players picked in the first round, which was like the highest ever. Mine, 24.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: It's the way of the game, too. And.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, you think you start thinking about, like, why is happened, like, nal probably has something to do with that. Like kids wanting to play wide receiver and quarterback. I mean, you had six quarterbacks taken in the first round.
[00:45:24] Speaker B: Was it five taken in the top ten or something?
[00:45:26] Speaker A: Stupid.
Yeah, they were all like in the top twelve. So pretty crazy stuff.
[00:45:32] Speaker B: Was it the first three picks?
[00:45:34] Speaker A: Well, just three at first three because it was first three picks.
[00:45:38] Speaker B: That's wild.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Williams, Drake, LSU kid Jaden Daniels and then Drake May, that was wild. But this draft in general, though, then set up for pretty much every team in the NFL because it was just full of wide receivers, inside linemen and quarterback, like offensive guys that are just like players. So it wasn't like there was like a ton of reaching or like weird shit going on or a lot of weird trades. Like, like this draft kind of set up for everybody to improve a little bit. Like, it just was like there was a bunch of really talented inside linemen and receivers and it's, it's hard to get worse or like have a bad draft and you have a bunch of talented guys at those positions. So just in general, I think, like, every team probably feels like they had a good draft.
And the AC north, certainly the pitcher Steelers ended up solidifying their offensive line. They got two offensive linemen, including their first rounder, Troy Fountain. Now.
Foul. Foul. Tanner, I don't know, I'll say his last name from Washington, but he, he was 20th overall. So they had Zach Frazier, center from West Virginia, Michigan wide receiver Roman Wilson, and I think the third or fourth.
[00:46:53] Speaker B: Round, we were watching him for the.
[00:46:54] Speaker A: Browns, their biggest pickup that has my jaw on the floor was Peyton Wilson, which is the guy we talked about at length on our show about being the best linebacker in the draft.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: I would have loved that. Peyton Wilson.
[00:47:04] Speaker A: So, I mean, when you think about what that defense is going to be with a guy like Peyton Wilson out.
[00:47:09] Speaker B: There, when he reminds, he's like fast, he's like a lankier kind of linebacker. He reminds me of Ryan Shazier back in the day.
[00:47:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, he's, he's, I mean.
[00:47:20] Speaker B: He was pretty much good as Ryan Shazier, but he was pretty much rated.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: As the top, top player in his position at the end of the day. So they ended up doing really well. They got some other depth pieces there, but when you think about their offseason and the moves they were and bringing in the quarterbacks that they did, I.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: Thought they were going to be in the dark house for a few years, and here we go. This is a team possibly favored going.
[00:47:45] Speaker A: Into next season, the Super Bowl. I mean, holy shit, they, they made the playoffs with nobody on their team. Like, now they've bolstered a lot of people.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: I cannot overstate how much I hate the Steelers.
Like, I just hate them. Yeah, I just hate them. And let's, let's just chalk this up already. Mike Tomlin going over 500 again and not getting fired.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: Well, yeah, and when, like I said, they got the Roman, Roman Wilson from Michigan. Michigan. So now George Pickens as a running mate to play wide receiver. It's not all on George Pickens in that passing game.
They've got two, really. I mean, what was it? Jalen Warren and Nancy Harris? I mean, their backfield is substantial, and now you throw in Russell Wilson and Justin Fields into the mix. I mean, that offense could be super explosive.
[00:48:28] Speaker B: I still see Justin Fields starting by, like, by their, by at the Lakers.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Their offensive coordinator is the Falcons head coach from last year, Arthur.
[00:48:38] Speaker C: Arthur Smith.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: Smith. And I don't know a lot about Arthur Smith, but what I do know is that when he was the offensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans, Tannehill was the highest rated passer in the league. So, like, that guy's got some secret sauce because Tannehill sucks ass. So.
So what he can do with two pretty good quarterbacks with this squad, like, I am terrified of what they're going to look like. But anyway, enough about the Steelers. Cincinnati Bengals had another, you know, their team that had a pretty good draft, solidified the offensive line. Their biggest needle was receiver in this draft.
They did end up picking in a later round of the third or fourth round, Jermaine Burton from Alabama, who's supposed to be a stud slot guy that should fit right in with.
[00:49:28] Speaker B: He's supposed to be a stud. He's a slot guy. I'm like, okay, well, well, I mean.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: The thing is, you don't have to be the best.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: Stud is a relative term.
[00:49:35] Speaker A: You don't have to be the best receiver in that squad because you got t. Higgins. You need a guy that can do what those guys.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: T. Higgins still requested a trade, though, so we'll see if he's going to, going to be there still. And so did one of their offensive or defensive linemen, like one of their big name offensive linemen or defensive linemen.
So I. True. We'll see. I mean, they did, they did well in the draft, but we'll see if that team holds up through the off season.
[00:49:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, they got a lot of depth pieces there. Interesting pickup there for them is Eric, all tight end from Iowa. I know they had fiddled around with like Irv Smith at that position last year.
That's somebody in the offseason that was, I can't remember who they signed to try and they did.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: It was in one of our shows.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: But Eric all manned up being a solution there. But I've got a couple of good defensive players, Chris Jenkins, most of us familiar with from Michigan, defensive tackle, defense events, Johnson from Mississippi. So some late round picks that are probably going to be guys even that are going to get some playing time this year for them. So by all accounts they had a pretty good draft. Most people have them rated a, b or b plus.
Baltimore also.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: Mike Sicky, that's what you're looking for. Yeah.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: Gasicki so yeah, I mean, you had two decent tight ends there. Now some youth there. Baltimore Ravens, another in that bb plus grade.
Nice over first overall pick with Nate Wiggins from Clemson, defensive back, somebody that, you know, we talked about, they've lost a lot of guys on their defense.
They picked up Adisa Isaac, linebacker from Penn State. When you think about they lost Queen. Yeah, queen to the Steelers. So.
And then they got Devontae's walker in the fourth round.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: This fucking division, bro. Like seriously, like just think about though, the Ravens, like, yeah, they may have had not so great of a draft. It wasn't a bad draft. It was a good draft overall when you compare it to the rest of the NFL. But in the AFC north, you know, they're kind of on the lower end with us because we didn't have a first round pick.
But look at what these teams did. I mean, the Steelers head and shoulders like completely different and way better team coming into this season than they were going into last season. And they made a playoff somewhere above 500 last year.
You got the Ravens, who made some huge offseason moves. They got Derek Henry, which is terrifying and absolutely terrifying.
[00:52:04] Speaker A: Just like I forgot about that for a second.
[00:52:08] Speaker B: Yeah, huge moves in the offseason. And then you got the Bengals, who made solid moves in the offseason, and they have Joe Burrow, who's finally going to be healthy. Like he wasn't healthy most of last season. So while the Browns, and we'll talk about the Browns draft in the second half of the show here. But the Browns did. I think they've also improved greatly this offseason, actually. I really do.
[00:52:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: But this division is going to be wild.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: It's going to be, it's going to be really.
[00:52:35] Speaker B: We might legitimately have four teams make the playoffs this year.
[00:52:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Before we'll touch on that. I'll come back to that point. I just, real quick, just their biggest, Baldwin's biggest need, at least from a team need standpoint, was a right tackle. And they drafted Roger Rosengarden from Washington in the second round. So like, that's a guy they expect to start.
And then another interesting pick was Rashin Ali, running back. They got in a later round. So you said they derek Henry, but now they got Rashid Ali, who's a smaller, like a scat back type. So I don't know whether he's going to be somebody that's in the mixer or not. But Baltimore always seems to go through like three running backs a year. So my guess is we'll see him since we play them twice a year.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: I just am as excited as I am for this season. Every time I start getting excited about the brown season, I think about the division we're in and I'm just like, it brings me back down to earth. I'm like, holy shit, this season's gonna be just a gauntlet with the AFC North.
[00:53:31] Speaker A: I don't know how it plays out. I mean, I am, I legitimately think.
[00:53:34] Speaker B: All four teams, if you ask me right this second, and obviously it doesn't mean anything cause we're still months away from the season, but I think all four teams make the playoffs.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: I mean, the fact that, like, we went into this draft, I mean, if you watch some of the pre draft analysis, people were like, Cleveland isn't my first round pick, but they really don't have any big holes, which is kind of true.
And so, like, our draft ended up being a lot of like more like depth guys and then a couple of guys and a couple guys that maybe could play here, there. But, like, this is the best I've felt, especially with the fact that they did right by Nick Chubb brought in Jerry Judy. Like, this is the best that I felt about a Browns team, which is probably bad because anytime I've ever been optimistic about the Browns, the season ago.
[00:54:13] Speaker B: I was going to say you're the ultimate pessimist when it comes to the Browns.
[00:54:16] Speaker A: But, like, from thinking about, like, roster construction, this is the best Browns team that, that I've seen in my lifetime.
[00:54:24] Speaker B: Not even close.
[00:54:24] Speaker A: But to your point, the rest of the AC north is also really good. It's just like every one of these matchups is going to be strength. Strength.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: It's like everything we did, every other team did something to thwart it.
[00:54:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. I almost feel that way about the whole league. Like, when you think about some of the moves were made in free agency. Like, teams go worst to first every year in this league. I mean, you saw with the Texans last year, the only team that I.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: Feel like they got, like, worse, per se, is honestly, like, I feel like the Chiefs lost several key players that, like, are they going to be able to replace them? But they're the Chiefs and they're probably going to end up back in the Super bowl, but that means they're beating the Browns.
[00:55:04] Speaker A: So went and traded them that late round pick in the first round. They got Xavier Worthy, who was the fastest draft.
[00:55:11] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:55:11] Speaker A: They just drafted the next Tyree kill.
I mean, I think, like, like Minnesota might struggle because who knows how JJ McCarthy does coming out of the gate and.
And I don't know what the Falcons are doing. They drafted a quarterback after signing Kirk Cousins to a mega deal. So I don't know what's going to happen there at quarterback or what their plan is. That was just strange. But I feel like if you look around the rest of these teams in the league and you think about coaching moves like Harbaugh coming to LA, I mean, Antonio Pierce in Las Vegas, some of the moves that they made, they don't have a great quarterback, but they've got a lot of talent on that team. Like, I'm hard pressed to, like, each year you kind of know which teams are going to soccer, not.
I'm kind of hard pressed to find, like, the top five, like, bottom five teams in the league this year. The Browns conceivably could be one of them because the division is so damn tough.
[00:56:02] Speaker C: Kyler Murray throwing the ball to Marvin Harrison.
[00:56:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Changes everything.
[00:56:07] Speaker B: I'm not a big believer in Kyler Murray at all, but anybody throwing the ball to Marvin Harrison is going to be pretty good. So how can you be bad?
I mean, the Buckeyes proved that they had a guy behind center that wasn't very good. I mean, he wasn't bad. He just wasn't great. And Marvin Harrison made him look like he was an all American.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's going to be wild.
[00:56:29] Speaker B: Yeah. So next up here, let's get into the NFL news. We'll start with Travis. Kelsey has canceled all deliveries because people can keep sending him packages.
You think this is because Taylor Swift or because, you know, like the Super bowl they won? What do you think?
[00:56:42] Speaker A: I don't know what to make of this. I don't know. Whatever.
[00:56:46] Speaker B: Travis. Kelsey is on a run, man. He's just, like, on top of the world. Right?
[00:56:50] Speaker A: He sounded too new to your deal.
[00:56:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:52] Speaker A: Stay in Kansas City probably till he retires.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: He came out afterwards, they asked me, like, were you gonna hold out if you didn't get a new deal? Like, no.
He was like, I'm in the best situation ever. I was definitely not holding out.
[00:57:03] Speaker A: I promise you that.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: But no, Kelsey's just gotta be.
[00:57:07] Speaker A: I mean, what a life.
[00:57:08] Speaker B: It's always. It's always fun to talk about the Kelsey's, too. Cause they're from.
[00:57:11] Speaker A: Yeah, they're from Cleveland.
[00:57:13] Speaker B: And they give shoutouts every time they can. So. Tank Dell got shot. We mentioned this before, butterfly effects. Yeah.
[00:57:19] Speaker A: I mean, he could have been anywhere else. He actually.
[00:57:22] Speaker B: Hold on, before we go any further. He's expected to make a full recovery and be ready for. Ready to go for the season.
[00:57:26] Speaker A: He actually got shot in Florida, in Sanford, near where we lived when we were in Orlando.
[00:57:31] Speaker B: I don't.
There were parts of where we lived where I was like, I don't. Nobody should go here where we lived.
[00:57:37] Speaker A: Yeah, we probably shouldn't go there.
[00:57:39] Speaker B: Our apartment complex was very safe, though.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: Yeah. But outside of, it wasn't. Yeah.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: You walked out. It was scary.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: We had a friend named Anus who lived outside of it. Yeah.
[00:57:45] Speaker B: His name was literally Anus.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
It's not a place you wanna be.
[00:57:49] Speaker B: No.
[00:57:51] Speaker A: There was a Publix and Anus. This is what you got.
[00:57:54] Speaker B: Yeah, Anus worked at Publix. So anyways, of course.
[00:57:57] Speaker A: Cause that's what was outside of there. Anus and a publix.
[00:58:01] Speaker B: The raiders, during the combine, posted a video of a DB running a particularly fast 40 with the caption speed kills and going there.
You guys all know why this is bad, right?
[00:58:13] Speaker A: I mean, I can think of one big reason.
[00:58:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, bad luck there. The Raiders also didn't select a quarterback in the draft and are rolling with this quarterback room. Aiden O'Connell, Gardner Minshew, Anthony Brown, junior Carter Bradley, who was an undrafted free agent. So basically, what I'm trying to tell you guys is the Raiders are losing in all facets of being an NFL organization.
[00:58:33] Speaker A: Well, they got screwed because all those quarterbacks went early. I don't think anybody expected the Falcons, who signed Kirk Cousins to $180 million deal to pick a quarterback. He's on a four year deal. The reason Kirk Cousins.
[00:58:45] Speaker B: Why didn't they pick Pennix eight? Why? Like, what was the point of that? He just wasted a draft pick.
[00:58:50] Speaker A: The reason Kirk Cousins signed there. He said he was like, they felt like they were the most invested in me. It's like they called him on draft night.
[00:58:57] Speaker B: They were so invested. They.
[00:58:58] Speaker A: By the way, this round we're drafting Michael Pennix.
[00:59:00] Speaker B: To see you use that to make your team better, like, there was so many areas of need that you could have addressed. You went with quarterback and like, I'm gonna be signed Kirk Cousins to what, four years or whatever it was.
[00:59:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, he's got at least $120 million guaranteed on that contract.
[00:59:14] Speaker B: What are you doing?
[00:59:14] Speaker A: I mean, that's worse than the 85 million that the Broncos were stuck with in dead money under Russell. If this goes bad and any other thing is like, Mike Pennix was like the fifth or 6th quarterback to go in this draft. It wasn't like he was the blue chicken.
If, if they drafted Caleb Williams and you were like, okay, he's the guy that every thought was going to go number one.
[00:59:34] Speaker B: He's the fourth, wasn't he? Is the fourth one. He was JJ McCarthy, McCartney McCarthy, whatever his name is. I don't like Michigan players currently, I.
[00:59:42] Speaker A: Think was the last one to go. So, yeah, I think he was fifth.
I just. Bizarre, bizarre pick on the Falcons.
[00:59:50] Speaker B: It was you were talking about.
[00:59:52] Speaker A: I think that's who the Raiders thought it was going to fall to them.
[00:59:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
You talked about dead money and that stuff and this wasn't even in the notes for the show today. I'm just adding this right now cause I saw it online. Ezekiel just resigned with the Cowboys. Cowboys. And he's making more money from the Cowboys this year for his old contract than he is his new contract.
[01:00:14] Speaker A: His contract to be back with him.
[01:00:15] Speaker B: His old contract. They owe him. I think it's 4 million in his new contract this year. They owe him 2 million.
[01:00:20] Speaker A: It was three. I think he signed four.
[01:00:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
[01:00:24] Speaker A: Speaking of quarterback rooms, real quick, I know we're already out of the Browns news, but I did want to bring something up because I have, I said I feel really good about the Browns and where they're at right now. I do have a small conspiracy theory.
[01:00:41] Speaker B: Let's hear it about the Browns.
[01:00:42] Speaker A: Because the Browns.
Who's in the quarterback room right now for the Cleveland Browns?
[01:00:48] Speaker B: Deshaun Watson, DTR.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: Jamis Winston James Winston. Tyler Huntley.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: Tyler Huntley. That was the other one.
[01:00:58] Speaker A: I mean, Tyler Huntley was like recently signed.
I think they're worried about DeShawn shoulder. I mean, why have. This is a team that can consistently.
[01:01:09] Speaker B: Carry like two quarterbacks, this is even.
[01:01:11] Speaker A: Consistently carries one backup quarterback. They don't like to, they don't like to send spend a roster spot on two quarterbacks. We saw that during the Baker Mayfield era. It's been taught to juggle with Jacobi and Deshaun and that, but to have DTR, who we felt pretty good about last year, coming back, and then to go out and sign Jamis and Tyler Huntley, all guys that play the same type of game, can run the same type of offense as Deshawn.
I think they're worried and they don't know what his timeline is with his shoulder.
[01:01:40] Speaker B: I would probably agree with you, and I would say even if you're not just worried about the shoulder, like, just the fact that he's missed so many games.
[01:01:45] Speaker A: Well, that, too, since he's been with.
[01:01:47] Speaker B: The brown up, he hasn't held up at all. And so that alone to me explains, like, the Jameis Winston signing Jameis Winston is a very capable backup. I would call him a low end starter, actually.
[01:01:59] Speaker A: I just don't know. Like, why, why sign Tyler Huntley?
[01:02:02] Speaker B: Like, that one was baffling to me. I don't. I don't know.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: Unless they're thinking, like, we may be starting the season without DeShawn on the.
[01:02:08] Speaker C: Active roster, I feel like they don't want to be in a PJ Walker situation again.
[01:02:12] Speaker B: That's fair.
[01:02:12] Speaker A: Well, that's fine, but, like, but there.
[01:02:14] Speaker B: Was, there was weeks before you got to that situation.
[01:02:18] Speaker A: But if Deshawn comes back healthy and is your franchise quarterback, like, be worried about PJ Walker. Right. So I, that is my biggest fear right now going into this season, is that, what if Deshawn's not ready until week four or five? And I mean, and you get this division that's just ready to eat ass. Like, I don't, I don't know.
[01:02:38] Speaker B: I never thought that I would hear that used as, like, a verb for, like, how they're just going to dominate the league. They're just going to go out there and eat ass.
[01:02:46] Speaker A: I'm just saying. Speaking of quarterback rooms that look scep, like, I'm skeptical about, like, the Browns starting day, quarterback room. I am.
[01:02:53] Speaker B: A little ass has turned into such a positive thing that you can use it to describe just an amazing vision in football.
[01:02:59] Speaker A: I heard Deshawn at, like, a charity event, say everything was on track, he was making progress, he was hitting all his milestones, and then, like, three days later, walked it all back and said, we don't really know. We're going to see. We'll see what happens since then.
[01:03:10] Speaker B: I believe he's back onto the timeline. Oh, we're on track.
[01:03:14] Speaker A: All the that I've heard from the Browns organization is that, like, he's throwing. He's. He's throwing there. I mean, I haven't heard. Usually you hear them. Gosh, you know, I think I'm gonna do a deep. Velocity is back. The speed is. He looks. He looks as good as we've ever seen.
None of that.
[01:03:31] Speaker B: I just realized with the new studio, in case anybody. We haven't really pointed that out. So we've. We're. Excuse our dust. We're still finishing things up. But as you will see, there is a new studio. Look here.
[01:03:42] Speaker A: That tv has it all, like, off center Caddy wampus. I don't know know who broke it.
[01:03:48] Speaker B: You, probably. You.
[01:03:50] Speaker A: Some final touches to go on in here.
[01:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah, still some final touch.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: So we have a whole new space.
[01:03:54] Speaker B: I realized I can probably no longer wear this shirt. I got to get it in a different color because I just blend in with this wall right here.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: You sure do. But anyway, you're the invisible man.
[01:04:02] Speaker B: Anyways. Yeah, I mean, I think there's some validity to them being worried about Deshaun Watson, but anyways, back to news around the NFL. Next up here, the biggest player in the draft was Tavandre sweat at 366 pounds. And the smallest player selected the draft was. You mentioned him earlier, Xavier Worthy at 165 pounds. And I just wanted to throw this out there to illustrate just how wild it is that, you know, the fact that these two gentlemen play the same sport. This is insane to me.
[01:04:30] Speaker A: Those guys are big.
[01:04:31] Speaker B: And interestingly enough, both of these players came from the University of Texas, so they were both on the same team in college.
[01:04:38] Speaker A: What's crazy, too, is you see so many of these guys now that when they retire, they do, like, the Joe Thomas thing, and they just shed, like, 150 pounds.
[01:04:45] Speaker B: Cause it's not healthy for, like, especially, like, offensive lineman to keep that weight on. And they. And Joe Thomas talked about all the time, even still, he's like, do you know how much I had to eat?
[01:04:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[01:04:53] Speaker B: Like, not good food. Just like, just food.
[01:04:56] Speaker A: But when you think about even, like, guys like Travis, Kelsey, like, that guy probably has to eat a fuck ton.
[01:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:05:01] Speaker A: And he's not as big as some of these off of.
[01:05:04] Speaker B: He probably eats more than he should, too. That's why he gets doughy throughout the season. We've talked about this.
[01:05:08] Speaker A: Well, Taylor makes good cookies.
[01:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:05:10] Speaker A: Obviously, Taylor has the best cookies.
I'm not touching that one.
[01:05:14] Speaker B: But anyways, next up here, Caleb. Caleb Williams texted Chicago's new punter to tell him, him, hey, this is a quote, hey, you're not going to punt too much here. And I just hate Caleb Williams. And I've been saying all along, I think this dude is such a bust. He's been nothing but like a cocky little shit since the minute he's been in front of mics and in front of cameras all during the draft process. Everything else, I can't, I don't root for like, failure for people, but I'm just like, his whole demeanor has me feeling like I just can't wait for this thing to blow up.
He's in Chicago.
[01:05:48] Speaker A: I could care less about his demeanor. I just don't think he's like, he's not that good. I don't think he's.
[01:05:54] Speaker B: That he wasn't even good enough to start at Oklahoma. He had to transfer to USC because he wasn't good enough.
[01:05:59] Speaker A: I just, and I think he kind of caught fire in a bottle in USC. Like, right time, right, right place. With the changes they've had in recent years.
[01:06:06] Speaker B: Does anybody forget that USC wasn't good last year?
[01:06:09] Speaker A: Well, that's what I mean.
[01:06:09] Speaker B: They lost like six games or something.
[01:06:11] Speaker A: Like at least Michael Pennix. You say what you want about him and his skill. Like, they were the, he came from Washington, they made the dance.
[01:06:19] Speaker B: Geez.
[01:06:20] Speaker A: I just, I'm not a believer in his talent and, but the world is high on him right now. I mean, they are thinking that he has the best situation possible to go into. They talked about the moves that the Bears have been the offseason, bolstering the offensive line. He's got a running mate in real Madonna. Six games.
[01:06:37] Speaker B: That's what I predict the Bears win this year. Six games.
[01:06:40] Speaker A: I mean, here's the stuff. Problem.
It's the same problem Justin Fields had. He's in Chicago at some point that is going to go poorly for him. Yeah, I agree.
[01:06:52] Speaker B: Bone, thoughts on Caleb Williams? Don't like him.
[01:06:55] Speaker A: Luckily, he's got a bunch of nil.
[01:06:56] Speaker C: Honestly, I haven't seen him play ever, so I have no idea.
[01:06:59] Speaker B: Bone's got nothing.
[01:07:03] Speaker C: I was repeating what other people have said.
[01:07:05] Speaker A: I guess it's fair. We weren't in the quarterback market this year. So, like, Bone probably wasn't like, researching all the quarterbacks.
[01:07:12] Speaker B: Bad question to throw your way. My bad. My bad, Bone. My bad.
Day one of the NFL draft drew an attendance of 275,000 plus in Detroit. That is a new record. I know several Browns backers groups sent representatives there. A lot of Browns fans.
[01:07:26] Speaker A: Detroit seems like they did it right.
[01:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah, they did it right. I mean, the one thing they did wrong, did you see the. They wanted. They. They announced, like, a year before the draft was coming. They're like, we're gonna make a Hollywood style sign that says detroit when you come into the city. Oh, yeah. They unveiled it, and it was, like, the shittiest, like, worst, worst thing. You've, like, it literally looked like I could have done it in my backyard.
[01:07:49] Speaker A: I mean. I mean, that is what it is.
[01:07:51] Speaker B: But, like, the day after they unveiled it, some guy went there with a camera crew and made, like, a wrap diss track of it.
[01:08:00] Speaker A: I thought the draft itself went really well. Seemed like they had a good outdoor space for it. The way that they kind of corralled.
[01:08:07] Speaker B: It's impressive. All the photos, like, the overhead photos of the crowd and everything.
[01:08:10] Speaker A: It's amazing that the NFL has turned the draft into.
[01:08:14] Speaker B: Into what it is.
[01:08:15] Speaker A: Into the miz. Into must see tv awesome.
[01:08:19] Speaker B: Literally insane, since it's been turned into awesome. Like, the Browns have not had a first round draft pick to enjoy it. This is so disappointing.
[01:08:34] Speaker A: That's the really disappointing thing, too, is they've been talking about how big the draft has been since they moved out of Radio City, and, like, they bring up Nashville because Nashville was a great venue for it. I was there in Nashville. That truly is. Broadway is a perfect place for a street party like that. Detroit, where they had. It had a great area for people to sit and watch in front of that amphitheater there they built up.
Cleveland's the one that gets left out because it was the COVID year.
[01:08:56] Speaker C: COVID year.
[01:08:57] Speaker A: And it's like. It's terrible. Yeah. Like, we could have put on a way better party than we did. Like, we did. And the thing is, at the time, it was the biggest public event that happened around the country.
[01:09:07] Speaker B: So we have a brand new football campus in Brook park.
[01:09:10] Speaker A: Well, true. I mean, Roger Goodell, I was watching some interviews with him, like, during the drafting ad, and he said that the draft now is almost more competitive. These cities want the draft because they can handle the draft. They can't all handle the Super bowl.
He said it's almost more competitive now for these teams that want the draft to come than it is for the Super bowl because so many of them can do the draft.
[01:09:32] Speaker B: I can't wait for it to come back to Cleveland legitimately, because just for us to be able to do it right. And not have COVID in the way.
[01:09:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it was like, it was a big deal when COVID. Because it was the biggest public event during COVID but because it was during COVID you missed the opportunity to have 300,000 people there.
[01:09:47] Speaker B: You know, also, speaking of the NFL, the NFL to allow Guardian caps in the regular season this year. And so I'm. What I read was they will have team logos on the Guardian caps. So obviously this begs the question, will the Browns, will the Browns Guardian caps just be orange or will it have a Browns helmet on it? What do you guys think?
[01:10:08] Speaker A: I would love for the Browns helmet.
[01:10:10] Speaker C: To be a helmet on a helmet.
[01:10:11] Speaker B: On a helmet on a helmet on.
[01:10:12] Speaker C: A helmet helmet section.
[01:10:13] Speaker A: You don't have the team wearing Guardian caps with the Browns logo on it. And the team just did a helmet. Oh, my gosh.
[01:10:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:10:20] Speaker A: Look, here's the thing that I will say.
[01:10:22] Speaker B: I just. I just thought it was funny because it literally said they would be the team logos. And obviously our team logo was, I.
[01:10:27] Speaker A: Think they should put it on there. It'll look silly as hell, but I love it.
I'll say this, though. Good on the NFL. We talked about this in the last season about like, with Gary Barnage. Yeah. Like they're going to allow him during training camp. And we've reduced concoctions by all this amount. They've always. All this data and elix about it, but I think that's what game day, we take it off.
[01:10:48] Speaker B: I think that's what did it. I think they saw our conversation with Gary Barnes and he was like, well, if reduces concussion so much, why don't they allow it?
[01:10:55] Speaker A: Hypocritical, right?
[01:10:57] Speaker B: They're like, this is exactly what we didn't want people talking about. So we're gonna also predict the very.
[01:11:02] Speaker A: Few guys will wear the guardian caps.
[01:11:04] Speaker B: I agree. I think. I think you will see it in every game. I still see at least one person.
[01:11:08] Speaker A: I think you'll see guys like Denzel Ward, probably the guys that have had concussion problems in the past, but I.
[01:11:12] Speaker B: Bet Denzel Ward doesn't.
[01:11:14] Speaker A: But I believe that. But I don't believe that most players will. Especially skilled position guys. They just don't want the extra. There's more weight on their head. Yeah.
[01:11:22] Speaker B: Competitive disadvantage.
[01:11:23] Speaker A: Good on the NFL for saying, hey, look, if we truly believe this works, then let them use it in the games.
[01:11:29] Speaker B: I agree.
[01:11:29] Speaker A: And I hope they put the brown helmet on it.
[01:11:31] Speaker B: I hope they find a way to make them look legit enough. Like they kind of look silly right now. We all know that, like, but when we're not talking about safety, like, obviously if they're safer, they're a good thing, but they look kind of silly when they're on, so.
[01:11:46] Speaker A: They look so stupid.
[01:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, I'm interested to see what they do because, you know, the NFL is about branding, so I'm interested to see what they're able to do to make it look not so silly.
[01:11:57] Speaker C: I feel like we're gonna see more. I'm gonna see more of them. Number thinking, you think? I think so. Just because there's so much information about.
[01:12:03] Speaker B: It now and it keeps the players.
[01:12:06] Speaker C: On the field, like, yeah, all interior linemen, defense alignment.
[01:12:10] Speaker A: I can see a lot of lineman wearing them. I just have a hard time believing skill position player. I mean, these are guys that aren't knee pads.
[01:12:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:12:17] Speaker A: You know, that's like, and I get.
[01:12:18] Speaker B: Until they were, until they were mandatory like two years ago, now they wear them like three inches above their knees, blown out regularly.
[01:12:24] Speaker A: I don't want to wear knee pads.
[01:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good point. So that was a, that was big news. And like you said, I mean, we're all here for it. If it makes the game safer, it makes these games, it makes these guys be able to stay on the field more than all for it.
And then finally, for the NFL global expansion, Roger Goodell talked about having 16 games per year in global markets within the next ten years.
[01:12:46] Speaker A: Essentially one game a week. Exactly.
[01:12:49] Speaker B: That's basically what he was shooting for. So it's 16 to 18 games in the next ten.
[01:12:54] Speaker A: He also was again, during some of the draft interviews, pretty adamant and seemingly on board with the idea of getting, doing away with the preseason games either entirely or by a game or two.
And adding a final regular season game and with a second bye week.
[01:13:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it was in that same interview, he said they're actively working towards an 18 game regular season, adding a bye week and dropping one of the preseason games. He said that is one of the top priorities. They want to get it done ASap. The biggest hurdle for this is that we'll need to go through a vote through the NFL Players association. The 17 games only passed with 51% majority, so. But I do think I will, I will say I do think the two bye weeks is actually going to push this over and I think we're going to see more like 75% are going to vote this through like two by weeks. I'm in.
[01:13:44] Speaker A: Well, and this guy should be getting an extra game check you know, like, it should be good for everybody.
[01:13:49] Speaker B: Well, the revenue is going to go up because you get an extra game. So everything's going to go up. Everybody's going to get paid more. You get an extra bye week to rest. Like, I think it's all, it's a win win for everybody.
[01:13:59] Speaker A: And I think the owners are going to want to push this, too, because the NFL forced the NFL owners to discount the prices of preseason games, finally.
Because before, when you buy season tickets, you paid for all ten games, you know, full price. Awful stupid. And you weren't even going to those games. So, yeah, it was good to see Goodell out there. I mean, look, I think. I think there's still going to be hate on Goodell a lot this year because of the hip drop tackle. He's, he was convinced that it was only like, on twelve plays last year. I think he's way, and they're way underestimating.
[01:14:32] Speaker B: I think there's gonna be way too many.
[01:14:34] Speaker A: How many calls are gonna get made on this hip drop thing?
[01:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree.
[01:14:37] Speaker A: I think it's gonna be an embarrassment for the league. So I think there's people. But, but otherwise, like I said, I liked a lot of what Goodell said over the draft and the weekend.
[01:14:47] Speaker B: Goodell does get a lot of hate, but I think overall, he's been really good for the game of football.
[01:14:51] Speaker A: He's been, I mean, huge. Never been bigger.
[01:14:53] Speaker B: It's the biggest.
[01:14:54] Speaker A: I mean, reruns of the game get more viewers than the WNBA games.
[01:15:00] Speaker B: Let's not go back there.
But, no, I will say this, the final word in that interview, as far as global expansion goes, he did say, they asked him specifically, they said, do you see an international team happening and, or like a division happening? And he said, no. He said, look, I look at the next ten years as my scope, because let's all be honest, Goodell probably won't be the commissioner after the next ten years.
But he says he's looking at the next ten years, and he said that a team, even a single team, is definitely a division, overseas or internationally, is still more than ten years away.
[01:15:37] Speaker A: Well, and he said, and to be fair, I mean, it's the same thing we ought to talk about. The logistics of it don't make sense. I mean, it's when you think about if a team had to go from.
[01:15:45] Speaker B: Until we roll out those planes that fly so fast you get there, a.
[01:15:49] Speaker A: Team had to go from London to Seattle, and they just played on Thursday, and they gotta be ready on Sunday or on Sunday. We're gonna play on Thursday. Like, not good. It's just the challenges of that. And they talked about, like, well, if you had a team, who here, would you, there would you have, like, their training facilities in the States somewhere where they. But it's like, if you're gonna. What's the point of having the team in London, right? So look, I get it that they want to keep growing the game. I get that that's good for, you know, the international presidents to be there. And I'm okay with if one. If your team only has to go overseas one time a year, fine, whatever. I think it's cool to have that experience, but we're gonna become the official.
[01:16:29] Speaker B: Podcast of nigerian brownsbackers everywhere. So it's good for us, it's good for them. It's good for everybody.
[01:16:35] Speaker A: That's very true.
But, yeah, I just don't ever see them able to have. Unless, unless you go Canada. But, like, that doesn't really count, really, if you're in Toronto or whatever, pretty.
[01:16:46] Speaker B: Much every major sports league in America has a canadian team, except for the.
[01:16:51] Speaker A: Like, you could do Mexico City and you could do like, Toronto, Quebec, Montreal. Like the, like.
[01:16:55] Speaker B: Or what are they gonna do, the international division.
[01:16:58] Speaker A: But whatever. But why not. But why not pick an american city to expand the league anyway? Yeah. Before we go on to the next thing, I had one more football related topic that was here is news that we didn't. Haven't talked about yet, and it's the new kickoff rule, so this has been adopted. And I was gonna talk about the.
[01:17:15] Speaker B: Second half of the show.
[01:17:16] Speaker A: Oh, it's in the second half. I'm fine.
[01:17:19] Speaker B: I didn't you talk about the actual rule?
[01:17:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:17:21] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead. Well, just. What were you gonna talk about minus player related? Because it's Brown's, you know, draft news in this, in the second. What the Browns did the draft, so it's player related and how it affects whatever.
[01:17:32] Speaker A: I just think it's interesting.
[01:17:33] Speaker B: I.
[01:17:36] Speaker A: Dislike, in a big way, the ability to not do a surprise onside kick. That was always kind of my favorite play in football. Like when somebody starts a game kick. Yeah. You don't know what's coming in. The do rule, you'll have to announce you're doing an onside kick because under the new rule, the new, the kicking team essentially lines up on the other side of the 50 on like, the 35, five yards away from the same as the XFL rules. So they have to kick it. The ball has to be landing in the target area of the goal line to the 20. If it doesn't land in that area, if they kick it through the end zone, they kick it through the end zone. The receiving team gets the ball on the 35, which seems incredibly penal to me.
[01:18:19] Speaker B: That's a funny word.
[01:18:21] Speaker A: In general, this, this rule seems like it's going to be a rule that helps offenses and receiving teams.
So it's going to be more of an explosive play. I mean, the whole idea is that they're bringing a kickoff back into the game by forcing them to return it. Any ball that gets, any ball that lands in the return zone has to be returned.
I mean, as you sort of look, unless you want to take the ball in the two, you can't fair catch it now.
[01:18:49] Speaker C: Oh, I kind of like that.
[01:18:50] Speaker A: If the ball lands in the landing zone, zero to 20 and rolls into the end zone for a touchback, the receiving team gets the ball at the 20. So penal then to the receiving team. Cause they didn't field the ball. Okay. So I just think it's like we haven't even talked about. I just think it's really interesting. I think the other piece that's interesting now is you now really need two guys that can return the ball.
[01:19:12] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:19:12] Speaker A: Because you can't afford to let the ball roll through the back of the end zone and get the ball to 20 when you could have it at the 35 or have a return that takes you out to the 30. I mean, we, we talked about this in high school football. I remember our head coach talking about your starting position. There's, there's direct, like, it's directly correlated to, like, the points that you score for every yard that you have the ball in front of the 20, a percentage point increase or multiple percentage points increase race to the. Your chances of scoring a touchdown. So when you think about the difference when getting to ball the 20 and the 35, like, that's huge. When you think about the ramifications of that, think about getting the ball at the end of the game and instead of now having to go 50 yards to get a field goal attempt, like, you gotta go 30 2018 yards for some of these guys can kick the ball 70 yards. I mean, that's gonna change the outcome of a lot of games just in this damn kickoff rule.
[01:20:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I also, when talking about the new kickoff rules, I think about guys like Josh, Craig, ribs, and I just think, like, how much even better he would have been under these new rules because the way that it's set up, I mean, you, you get through the first line you're gone.
[01:20:21] Speaker A: I know, and I've been watching some of the XFL plays.
[01:20:23] Speaker B: I can't believe there weren't more returns for touchdowns in the XFL. I think there was only, like, two.
[01:20:27] Speaker A: I've been watching some of the XFL returns to see, like, how they've been playing them, because in my mind, I'm thinking, like, am I dropping two gunners back as, like, safeties? And. And by and large, like, it's just like, they actually these lines together and.
[01:20:41] Speaker B: You fill your gap and hopefully good things happen.
[01:20:44] Speaker A: So it'll be really interesting to see, like, what the NFL level, what these coaches end up scheming in terms of, like, trying to save a long return. Like, what happens.
[01:20:52] Speaker B: What was it on our. On kickoff every time for us? Stay in your lane.
[01:20:55] Speaker A: Stay in your lane, right? Yeah. I mean, you gotta have.
[01:20:58] Speaker B: This is your lane all the way down the field.
[01:20:59] Speaker A: Stay in your lane. But now it's just like, you just have a line to run through.
[01:21:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:21:05] Speaker A: Interesting. I think it'll be really interesting to see how that plays out this year. Year.
[01:21:08] Speaker B: Yep. So moving on here. Quick shout out to the Guardians. Despite losing Shane Bieber for the year, they currently have one of the best records of baseball, and they are a ton of fun to watch again this year.
[01:21:17] Speaker A: Tied for the lead in the AL at the best record.
[01:21:20] Speaker B: Hell, yes.
[01:21:23] Speaker A: I've just had a lot of fun watching. I mean, I, like, I'm not a. I'm not big baseball guy. Cause the season is so, like, I don't get involved really to, like, the playoffs because the season's so long. But I've had a lot of fun watching the guardians already this year.
You know, some of these. Some of these Josh Naylor, some of these young guys that they have are just like.
[01:21:40] Speaker B: And Jose ramirez, the man.
[01:21:41] Speaker A: They just make contact and they run the base as well. And it seems. It seems. It seems weird that they get rid of a hall of fame coach and Tito and you have this vote guy that comes in and I don't have any idea who he is.
[01:21:52] Speaker B: I think it's a team thing. I think they're like, we got to prove that it wasn't just tito. Like, we're a good team.
[01:21:57] Speaker A: I mean, still, like, a small market. The payroll's not that much, but, like, these guys are playing together. The pitching has been pretty strong, just.
[01:22:03] Speaker B: Doing big things and we're just not.
[01:22:04] Speaker A: Used to seeing them start fast. Right. Climb.
[01:22:06] Speaker C: Still hitting. Lights out.
[01:22:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:22:08] Speaker B: Everybody's doing well.
[01:22:09] Speaker A: I think he was bad, like 354 or something.
[01:22:11] Speaker B: Ridiculous.
[01:22:12] Speaker A: Like, so, you know, I don't know if they can sustain that all year long, but it's been fun as hell to watch so far.
[01:22:18] Speaker B: So, so, thank you, guardians and the Cavs, they're, they're in the playoffs right now, so huge shout out to them as well. They're a little bit more tough to watch because they just give you anxiety.
Taking us on a big roller coaster ride in this first round of the playoffs, two blowouts by them followed it up by getting blown out twice by the magic. They won a close game, close one in game five. So we have no idea how this is going to end up.
[01:22:45] Speaker A: I'll say this, I've had an absolute blast watching the NBA play. It's been so good. The talent level is so high. I love to see the fact that, like, these teams that were, like, built like super teams, you know, the old big three, the Phoenix Suns, going, getting knocked down with Durant and Devin Booker, LeBron and the Lakers being, being put up already.
And you have these teams like Minnesota.
[01:23:10] Speaker B: They played the Nuggets.
[01:23:12] Speaker A: You have these teams, like Minnesota and, like, Denver, like, that were just built organically, right? Like, they're built the right way. They've been bringing in talent, grooming talent, developing guys, having to get one of.
[01:23:21] Speaker B: The talents or whatever.
[01:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah, like, they got good picks in the draft, whatever, like, and they've built it the right way. And you don't have guys that are like, oh, I need to go chasing a ring somewhere. Like, they're, they're content, like in their own organizations and they're beaten teams that are artificially putting themselves together. Like, it's just been a fun to watch. But that being said, the Cavs have done nothing but give me anxiety because of the way they've played. They just, it's exciting that they're in the playoffs.
[01:23:48] Speaker B: They have a really good team. They need more heart out there. It's like, it's like they're just going through the motions. Like, they just don't care.
[01:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah, like, I'm watching the intensity and the level of play in some of these other games, and I'm just like, man, if the Cavs have to play in one of these teams in the world, they're going to get destroyed.
And even, like, Boston and, like, New York, the Knicks, like, they're, these, these teams are for real. And, um, I just like, it feels like we should be further along than we are with Donna Mitchell. That's the thing that gives me anxiety because it's almost hard to see him here next year as much as, like, I don't want to have to, like, rebuild this whole team again. I don't know where you go from here. If you. If you lose in this first round or if you win. Cause if you win in this first round, you probably lose in the second round. And if you lose in the first round, Donna Mitchell's probably definitely gone. She's like, I can't win with this group of people. I want to go to New York or wherever.
So that's what's given me the anxiety. I think the one silver lining here that you have written here is, like, LeBron be back. Like, if we end up in a drafting brawny situation and LeBron one side of LA because they suck, do we have that? But, like, is LeBron capable of winning a championship like he was in 2016? Like, it's different. LeBron, he's still really good. He put up 30, ten and ten in the. In his series, but pretty impressive. But, like, is he still going. Going to be that dominant of a player? I don't know.
[01:25:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think the LeBron thing is actually really interesting now, because if. Exactly what you're saying.
If the Cavs don't think they can win and you're talking about Donovan Mitchell leaving. If the Cavs don't think they can win with Donovan Mitchell, are they going to do it? Are they going to make the trade? They're going to send Donovan Mitchell maybe to LA, bring LeBron here, draft brawny, like, is like, well, I don't think.
[01:25:29] Speaker A: They'Re going to have a chance. I think Don Mitchell is going to force his way out, if he will. I don't think it has to do with the Cavs. One at this point is going to call his shot. So if he leaves you, I mean, that's like, we can go get LeBron and keep with, you know, get. You got Garland, you got Mobley, like, some talent here. LeBron might be the perfect fit, and who knows what Bronnie ends up being to keep the team competitive. But the alternative is you probably have to just blow it all up, right?
[01:25:53] Speaker C: That's right. Coaches getting fired.
[01:25:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, your coach is getting fired. Garland's gone. Mobley's gone. Like, you're trying to get new draft picks and start over.
[01:26:01] Speaker B: Do you guys want LeBron to potentially make one last run, finish his career here?
[01:26:07] Speaker A: Look, I think it would be. It would be fun to have LeBron here one more time.
[01:26:11] Speaker B: I mean.
[01:26:11] Speaker A: Cause this will be his final lap, right? Like maybe two years. But like, this is. He'll be his last contract.
[01:26:17] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:26:18] Speaker A: He'll get kind of the Kobe treatment all around the league. Like when he had his last season in LA where even if they weren't good, like, everybody is still like, hey, look, like, respect, dude. You played like 25 years in the NBA. Like pretty wild. Best we've ever seen.
[01:26:33] Speaker C: I think it'd be cool to have LeBron, Mobley and Garland and then I don't bring in some shooters. I don't know. I don't know enough about basketball. But if Mitchell's gone, if Mitchell's gone.
[01:26:43] Speaker B: You still got Jared Allen, too.
[01:26:44] Speaker C: Yeah, Jared Allen. Yeah. So keep that core and bring in LeBron and kind of switch him out and hopefully get.
[01:26:50] Speaker B: Because if you trade Donovan Mitchell, then you don't really have to probably give up anything.
[01:26:55] Speaker C: Bring somebody back, like marketing or as.
[01:26:57] Speaker A: Much as Donald Mitchell probably calls him shot here. The Cavs could be thinking like, like, this isn't what we thought we were going to get out of Diamond Mitchell. Like, we thought we were getting a little, brought like a type at type top ten player league. And he's been more like a top 20, top 20 ish guy.
[01:27:11] Speaker B: Well, and at times he's. He's like a top five player. But I think what happens is so far, since he's been a Cav, he kind of shrinks in the playoffs and it's like, I mean, it's not that he's put up terrible numbers, but he hasn't, to your point, put up numbers. Like, you're not putting up numbers like a top ten player.
[01:27:27] Speaker A: I mean, and the thing is, he's. He's going to be the best player on the cabin.
[01:27:30] Speaker B: Right?
[01:27:30] Speaker A: Like, he should be their leading scorer week, every night. Every night. And when he's scoring 22 points in a game and in the playoffs, and you're like, well, for one reason or.
[01:27:39] Speaker C: Another, it just seems like they don't. Garland and Mitchell don't play together.
[01:27:42] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, you have to get rid of Garland. You hate to get rid of even Garland because he's a great player, but, like, they've just, and they've done such a poor job of managing assets to be able to, like, move around and get guys because of the hole they were in with LeBron and Kevin love and all that to begin with. But I just, to me, it's like if I was hopeful that they would get better this year, they would come out and gangbusters in round one. Like, put.
[01:28:12] Speaker B: This started the season so hot. If you remember, they were the times.
[01:28:15] Speaker A: That they were the top team in the NBA.
[01:28:17] Speaker B: They were the top, yeah, the top team in the NBA for, like, the first month and a half of the season or something.
[01:28:21] Speaker A: And you're like, okay, like, this team's finally got it together and then they go through, through these laws where they just will lose games to teams that they shouldn't lose to and, you know, just not look competitive. And again, like, I've had a blast watching these playoffs. Cause, man, how fun has, like, Minnesota been to watch, Denver been to watch, I mean, even some of these other games, like, just watching this Philly and, like, Boston, like, these teams come to play and the talent is there. I just feel like the Cavs are almost like a level below the rest of these teams right now, which is unfortunate because you feel like in talent, on paper, they should be better, but mobile. Mobley is still, like, kind of like he hasn't really come into his own all the way yet.
And what if, for whatever reason, he.
[01:29:05] Speaker B: Did have that big block in the game to seal it?
[01:29:07] Speaker A: True. And he needs to do. But he needs to do more of that. Right? Like, he's got to be, you know.
[01:29:12] Speaker B: We his moments, but it seems like it's inconsistent.
[01:29:14] Speaker A: It seems like he seemed like he was going to come almost be the guy, and then you bring in Donovan Mitchell. It's like, if Don Mitchell wasn't there, Mobley would be your guy.
But he just seems like he's, like, soft sometimes. Like, I don't know, he's just crossfit.
[01:29:31] Speaker C: Throw, get a couple pounds.
[01:29:32] Speaker B: Yeah, he's definitely not top ten. Crossfit, top 10%.
[01:29:38] Speaker A: But anyway, they've been giving me anxiety in the world. Good on them. They're in the playoffs. Hopefully they can get out of this series at least alive and, and put up a good show in the second round.
[01:29:45] Speaker B: But finally, in the burning river rundown, in WWE News, Pat Mahomes was on Raw this past.
[01:29:50] Speaker A: In fact, there were a bunch of chiefs there. His offensive linemen were there at his back.
[01:29:54] Speaker B: Cause it was from Kansas City.
[01:29:55] Speaker A: They were in Kansas City.
[01:29:57] Speaker B: But Pat Mahomes, the reason I brought him up is because he let Logan Paul. Logan Paul. Jake Paul or Logan Paul. I think Jake Paul is the boxer. Logan Paul.
[01:30:07] Speaker A: I think it was Logan.
[01:30:08] Speaker B: I think Logan Paul is the wrestler.
[01:30:10] Speaker A: I thought Jake Paul was the wrestler.
[01:30:11] Speaker B: You're on that.
But either way, whichever one of the Paul brothers, whatever, Paul brothers, the one.
[01:30:16] Speaker A: That wrestles, not boxes.
[01:30:19] Speaker B: Pat Mahomes lent him three. It's Logan Paul Logan Paul lent him three of his Super bowl rings so he could punch a dude out.
[01:30:27] Speaker A: Yeah, he's the. Logan Paul is kind of notorious for using brass knuckles, like, in those spots in the wrestling. The WWE so far. So this was kind of like his.
[01:30:36] Speaker B: It was almost his brass knuckles.
[01:30:37] Speaker A: It was his brass knuckles. But it was cool to have Patrick Mahomes there.
[01:30:40] Speaker B: That's a little ballsy. Like, I know.
[01:30:41] Speaker A: One, two, three. Yeah, I got three of these.
[01:30:44] Speaker B: I guess that's a little bossy too, because I know, obviously, he's not making full contact with the dude's face with those rings, but still, like, that's pretty ballsy. Like, what if you lose a couple diamonds out of that?
[01:30:57] Speaker A: I was thinking, I was like, these have to be fakes, right? Because you're not lending the guy your actual. Your actual Super bowl rings, are you?
[01:31:03] Speaker B: I guess. Like, I feel like that's the guess.
Like, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey, I guess what they do, they're like, yeah, whatever. It's kind of.
[01:31:12] Speaker A: I'll just get new diamonds.
[01:31:14] Speaker B: Like, it also takes you back to, like, tom Brady throwing the Lombardi across a boat.
[01:31:18] Speaker C: That was cool.
[01:31:19] Speaker A: It might actually be cooler if you were Patrick Mahomes. And you were like, yeah, I'm missing a couple diamonds here because I want this to the guy in the WWE, and he punched a guy out.
[01:31:26] Speaker B: Does make for a good story.
[01:31:28] Speaker A: I will say this. Look, I think this. I think the, sometimes in these spots, these guys just say, you know, just. Just do it.
They brought the guy in later, and he had. He had the, like, the prince of the rings on his forehead. And, I mean, I watched it back three or four times, and I was like, I swear he made contact with that dude. Like, solid contact, which.
[01:31:49] Speaker B: It is a show. They gotta sell it as much as possible.
[01:31:52] Speaker A: So sometimes they just take it. I was watching.
[01:31:54] Speaker B: I mean, there's a reason, like, why unprotected chair shots have been outlawed and stuff is because, like, they were so dangerous and they went wrong so often.
[01:32:01] Speaker A: I was watching a Kelly Kelly interview where she was. She was in a spot where she was gonna take kendo stick from Sandman. And he's like, we practiced it a couple times, but, like, we practiced it, like, half speed. So I was like, this is so bad. She's like, when I was out there in the middle of the spot, I see him wind up, and I'm like, oh, no, this isn't what we practice. And he just walloped her right in the face. And she's. She's like, it blacked out, and I fell down immediately. And they did the, you know, they put the x up and carried her out on a stretcher. She's like, I woke up in the back, and all the people are around. I didn't know where I was or what happened. All I knew is, like, my head hurt, and I was afraid. I didn't know where I was.
And I look up and I see Vince, and he's like, kelly, you okay? And she's like, yeah. He's like, all right, now get up. But don't let them see you cry back there.
[01:32:50] Speaker B: Jesus, man.
[01:32:51] Speaker A: Sometimes these things just go all out and hit him.
[01:32:54] Speaker B: That Vince McMahon, he's a stand up fella.
[01:32:57] Speaker A: He was like, you don't let anybody. Don't let anybody locker room. So you cry. They need to know your tough ass.
[01:33:00] Speaker B: I just. Just have to make it clear so I don't get canceled as being. As being sarcastic.
[01:33:07] Speaker A: Vince did some bad things. Vince did some bad things, but he also turned the WWE into what it is today.
[01:33:13] Speaker B: So speaking of WWE, don't forget SummerSlam in Cleveland. We're excited about that. I'm still thinking about looking for tickets for us.
[01:33:20] Speaker A: We gotta figure out some way to infiltrate this. I don't know how.
[01:33:23] Speaker B: I don't know about infiltrating it. I might just go.
You're talking about something nefarious. I'm joining the show.
[01:33:30] Speaker A: Could we advertise for it and, like, get in invited somehow?
[01:33:33] Speaker C: Like king of the north punishment be out front.
[01:33:35] Speaker B: Oh, hell yes.
[01:33:36] Speaker A: Logan Paul hits me with GFC reports.
[01:33:39] Speaker B: I gotta reach out. I gotta reach out. They're from. They're from Ohio. We're from Ohio.
[01:33:43] Speaker A: Let's make it work. Where's Bridget Lynn? Let's see if she can hook us up with somebody over there.
[01:33:47] Speaker B: Yeah, make some phone calls. But with that, we're gonna head into the revenue break real quick. We'll be back in just a minute to talk about the Browns draft towpath distillery. Topat distillery. An award winning craft distillery located in Akron, Ohio, Topat distillery focuses on high quality spirits carefully made in small batches. Topath's lineup includes an ultra smooth, award winning premium vodka, a small batch silver rum made with the highest grade molasses, an american craft gem made with nine botanicals, and a blended straight bourbon made from corn and rye. Topath distillery. Now available locally and in 46 states. Visit Topath dash distillery.com to place your order online, or find an oh LQ retailer near you. Topat distillery. Handcrafted, award winning small batch, local and family owned.
[01:34:37] Speaker A: Speaking of our friends over at topath.
[01:34:39] Speaker B: Yeah, what do you got?
[01:34:40] Speaker A: I happen to see that they were sitting on a small surplus of the red wine barrel bourbon.
[01:34:45] Speaker B: They were. And I believe it just won a major award.
[01:34:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
Was it in California?
[01:34:52] Speaker B: San Francisco. The biggest spirits competition in the world. I believe they took gold, so.
[01:34:57] Speaker A: Yeah, so. But they had some extra bottles that they still had on hand. That's.
[01:35:02] Speaker B: Get them while they last.
[01:35:03] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:35:04] Speaker B: They are running. I know they're running low. So get them while they last.
[01:35:08] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[01:35:10] Speaker B: Now, before we get to the Browns draft, I do want to remind everybody of some upcoming events that the burning river sports cast will be a part of, starting with this Saturday, may the fourth. May the fourth be with you. Yeah. There you go. We will be at the 12th annual bark in the park with top dog tailgate. That'll be from eleven to 06:00 p.m. 11:00 a.m. To 06:00 p.m. At WJ Green Lodge in Berea, Ohio. There is a $25 donation per person, but this includes all of your food and alcohol. In all, proceeds benefit city dogs. Cleveland, it's a summer tailgate, off site, off season, tailgate style party. So just think of all the food you'd have at a tailgate. There's going to be a corn hole tournament, beer pong tournament, raffles, and most importantly, adoptable dogs.
The Burning river sportscast. That's us. That's this podcast.
[01:36:00] Speaker A: That's us.
[01:36:00] Speaker B: We'll be recording a podcast episode on site. We'll be doing interviews with the gentleman that runs the top dog tailgate, Eric Bar. Doing some interviews with fans, potentially, and maybe even an interview with a dog. We'll see. I don't know. I don't know.
[01:36:14] Speaker A: Can I bring my dog?
[01:36:16] Speaker B: No. I don't know. I don't know. I'll get clarification. I'll let you know, maybe. But it's going to be a great time. So if you. And if you don't know Eric Barr, haven't heard his story, then go ahead and look him up. Just google his name. Eric Barr, Cleveland Browns. And you'll find a story. It's a fascinating one. He belongs right up there in the conversation with some of the biggest and best browns fans that have kind of come through the organization.
[01:36:39] Speaker A: And obviously this event's been successful. I mean, this is the 12th annual, so it's something that they've been doing for a while now, so really looking forward to being on site there that day.
Like Ronnie said, we're doing some interviews and things with, with fans, and I'm just excited to see all the dogs.
[01:36:55] Speaker B: Who is it? Who is it? I love dogs. We might actually go home with one because Emily's a sucker for.
[01:37:00] Speaker A: I'm terrified that I might end up with one. Yeah, I might be able to talk the wife into, like, you know, when they're there and they're cute and it's like, we could just take this one home.
[01:37:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
But our next event after that will be the third annual angry open to benefit the brownsbackers of North Jersey charities. This is a golf outing on June 7, great Gorge golf course in Vernon, New Jersey. We will not be there in person, but we are supporting this. We are sponsoring this outing. It's a 09:30 a.m. Shotgun start. It's a scramble. $150 per person, includes your golf breakfast, beer from the cart and keg on the course, and a barbecue dinner. After golf. There will be contests, there will be raffles, there will be prizes.
And for more information, contact Bob Denbliker with the brownsbackers of North
[email protected]. Dot I still think we should go.
[01:37:51] Speaker A: To this like a five hour drive.
[01:37:53] Speaker B: We literally have this next outing, the next day, so potentially next year, but on June 8, the following day, the 23rd annual Kent Brownsbackers golf outing, which we will be at. That is right in our backyard where we grew up at Paradise Lake Country Club in Suffield, Ohio.
It's $100 per person. Proceeds benefit various charities supported by the Browns, the Kent brownsbackers. That $100 includes your greens fees, lunch at the turn, and dinner afterwards.
I believe they have alcohol tickets, but I'm not sure exactly how that's going, so we'll have to clarify some of those details. But there should be some special guests. There should be.
[01:38:32] Speaker A: It's generally the brownsbackers, most of the events. They have some alumni there and they try to get to come into town.
[01:38:39] Speaker B: Yep. So we will be there recording a podcast interview on site. We'll be doing fan interviews, potentially some interviews with those special guests as well.
It's going to be a lot of fun. We'll have contact information as we get closer for more details. I do know they posted something on their website, which I believe.
Let me look that up. Kenny, keep talking about this.
[01:39:02] Speaker A: Look, I'll say this before we were even born here, you know, burn our sportscast, not me and Ronnie personally. Campbrownsbackers.org dot this is an event that I've been a part of several times. We have, and it's always a blast. So I don't know, you know, if, like, how many open spots they still have. I think this is an outing that sells out quick, generally, but I would definitely, you know, you know, make your inquiries and see if they still have room, because this is an absolute fun, fun event.
[01:39:33] Speaker B: Usually have a ton of great prizes.
[01:39:34] Speaker A: This is a course that is built for scrambles.
[01:39:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. If you could set up your team to where you have, like, the long drive guy, the guy that's good at the wedges, and the guy that's good at putting, like, you could dominate. You can go low.
[01:39:45] Speaker A: I'm talking, like, 16 is very reasonable here.
[01:39:49] Speaker B: Remember the year, the one year we lost? And I still maintain that the other team cheated because we came in at 17 under and they were at, like, what, 22 under or whatever they said they were.
[01:39:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it is a short course. I mean, it's possible. There's plenty of eagles out there on some of the par fives and even on some of the par fours. So we've had quite a few big scramble days out there. It's just a fun place to play.
[01:40:12] Speaker B: We've been posting information for this on our socials as well, though. So, like I said, kemp, Brett kempbrownsbackers.org. Or you could check our social medias. We have a couple different posts out there for this outing.
[01:40:21] Speaker A: And I'll say Kent, brownsbaggers again in our backyard. Just really great people that we've had a chance to work with over there. We were with them on the Browns fan crews. Just tremendous, tremendous fun. Genuine guys that run that organization. So if you have a chance to get out there, definitely do it.
[01:40:40] Speaker B: Yep. And so that'll take us to what gets your dander up?
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen, I know we've been calling this what gets your dander up, but what the hell does that even mean? I know Kenny came up with this, and he was so proud of it at the time, but even he, I believe, is second guessing his naming of this segment.
[01:41:01] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I think the idea was we wanted time to talk about things that weren't necessarily football related.
Cause generally something that's pissed us off.
[01:41:11] Speaker B: But it might even not be something.
[01:41:12] Speaker A: That'S pisses us off. It could be.
[01:41:13] Speaker B: It's mostly what's pissing us off.
[01:41:14] Speaker A: It could also just be something that we've been fascinated by or something that happened that we're like, wow. Like, I was reading that cheetahs are the fastest animal in the world, right? They run, like, 60 miles an hour.
But what was it?
[01:41:33] Speaker B: A barracuda swims it.
[01:41:35] Speaker A: Most, like, most dogs can catch a cheetah because she can't run that far that fast. So, like, they can catch it. Like, fascinating. Like, that is fascinating because the dogs have better stamina than a cheetah. Even a cheetah can run really fast for short periods of time.
So it could be anything, right? But anyways, we rebrand. We're rebranding.
[01:41:57] Speaker B: Dumb name. This is the stupidest name I ever heard of. And so this will. Now this segment is officially gonna be called gassed up.
[01:42:04] Speaker A: We're gassed up. This is what's getting us gassed up at the moment.
[01:42:07] Speaker B: All right, so without further ado, this is gassed up.
All right, so as Kenny mentioned, this is a segment where we like to vent about the things that are pissing us off in the world or even fascinating us in the world today. So, Kenny, what gets you gassed up?
[01:42:30] Speaker A: My God.
Look, here's a couple of things that I know about. I don't know everything in the world, but there's a couple of things that I've taken a pretty keen interest to in my lifetime.
One of those things is chocolate milk. I love trying to find, like, who's got the best chocolate milk?
[01:42:47] Speaker B: Fair. Yeah.
[01:42:49] Speaker A: I love a good steak dinner. Steak is, like, top of my list. Love steak.
I eat it every. Anytime I'm in a new city, I try out what's the best steakhouse I can go to? New York City. Like, what's the. I don't care how much it costs. Like, I'm just like, what's the best one? I want to go there.
Root beer is another one.
[01:43:10] Speaker B: I love.
[01:43:10] Speaker A: I love root beer. Tell me a good root beer. Root beer. So those are, like, three of my big three things that I'm like. I'm really passionate about.
[01:43:19] Speaker B: Norca.
[01:43:20] Speaker A: Norcas. Okay. You know, they don't have the best.
[01:43:23] Speaker B: Root beer, but they have. They have some good sodas.
[01:43:25] Speaker A: Yeah. More on the Saturday. They have some. Cause, you know, it's interesting flavors and things.
[01:43:28] Speaker B: Ginger.
[01:43:30] Speaker A: But their root beers. Okay, I'm a big Virgil's fan of your root beer versus. I almost said Virgil's make a good Virgil keg.
[01:43:37] Speaker B: I like barks. It's the only one with caffeine in it.
[01:43:40] Speaker A: You know, barks is. Yes.
[01:43:42] Speaker B: Little syrupy.
[01:43:42] Speaker A: That's like the McDonald's of barbecue man or root beer man. Barbecue is the next one. Those are the. Those are the. Given a new city, like, those are the things that I'm looking for.
So I feel like I'm pretty well acclimated to speak on. Like, if there was a foremost expert in the world on these days, like, it's probably me.
[01:44:05] Speaker B: Go on.
[01:44:08] Speaker A: But what has really been gassing me.
[01:44:09] Speaker B: Up lately that gets me gassed up when you say stupid shit like that.
[01:44:15] Speaker A: What'S really been gassing me up lately is goddamn steakhouses.
Have you no pride?
Like, I am so tired of going into a nice steakhouse, and if you find a rib eye on the menu and your mouth water and you're excited about it, maybe you're getting some nice potatoes to go along with it. They got a good salad. It has an interesting dressing that you're thinking I can really get, buddy. But the steak. Steak. That's what you're there for.
And you order a steak that costs, you know, prime USDA, you know, $60, $80, $100 and wag you something, and you order a steak medium rare, right? If you're in a steakhouse, you order the steak to a temperature that you expect it to be cooked at.
[01:45:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:45:12] Speaker A: I am so tired of paying $100 for a piece of meat that the chefs in this restaurant. There's no chefs, I don't think, in restaurants and steakhouses anymore. I think they're just. I think COVID has ruined restauranting to the point where we don't even have real chefs cooking food in even nice, established, fine dining restaurants. Because I cannot tell you the amount of times that I'll order my steak medium rare, and I get a sear on the outside and the inside is purple and smooth, and I'm like, this is a raw steak. This is not. This isn't even rare. This is a raw steak.
[01:45:49] Speaker B: This isn't enjoyable for anybody.
[01:45:51] Speaker A: This is a raw steak. And I paid $100 for this steak. I shouldn't have to send my steak back in a restaurant that I've paid $100. Cause I didn't just pay $100 for your steak. I paid dollar 20 for your french onion soup. I paid another twelve for your table salad. I paid another 34 for your lobster fritters.
[01:46:08] Speaker B: I was gonna say, are we. We're looking at. We're looking at Kenny Thunder here.
[01:46:11] Speaker A: By the time I've got my steak just for me, I've spent almost $200 in this restaurant, plus my Norca sodas that aren't refillable cause they're in a bottle.
I shouldn't have to send back my hundred dollar steak and be like, you didn't cook this. This is what you do.
[01:46:30] Speaker B: This is what you do.
[01:46:31] Speaker A: You're a steakhouse. You cook steak in a white tablecloth restaurant, it should never come out anything other than. Than the temperature that you order it.
[01:46:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:46:41] Speaker A: You have a better chance of going to outback or a Texas roadhouse and saying, I want my steak done medium rare. Because those guys, they may be clowns behind the grill, and they may not be real chefs.
[01:46:50] Speaker B: They cook steaks all day, but they.
[01:46:51] Speaker A: Took a thousand steaks a day, so they know, hey, I'm leaving this one on for eight minutes on this side and four minutes on this side, and I'm done. And it's true. Medium rare.
[01:47:01] Speaker B: I will tell you this. I've hardly ever had chef miss my temperature at Outback.
[01:47:08] Speaker A: Yeah, hardly ever.
[01:47:09] Speaker B: It doesn't happen.
[01:47:10] Speaker A: I mean, I get a better steak cooked at an outback, at a chain restaurant than I can at some of these places where you're paying $100 for steak. It just pisses me off. Cause I'm like, it's a $100 for your steak. I think Outback's charging me 27.
[01:47:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I think your first mistake is paying $100 for a steak.
[01:47:24] Speaker A: Well, I expect it to be cooked to my liking. Why take my order in a steakhouse if you're a good chef in a steak, if you're worth a shit as a chef in a steakhouse, every steak, every chef that's on your line should be trained to cook the steak to medium rare. That's how you serve a steak, is medium rare. Every other temperature, that should be where the guesswork is. You know, I don't cook a lot of steaks to medium well. I don't cook a lot of steaks to medium. Cause we don't. Those aren't steaks. Those are almost hamburgers. Medium rare is.
That should be the standard. That should be what every steak comes out as.
And if you want it done more than that, you want to ruin your $100 piece of meat, fine, I'll take it back and do it again.
[01:48:08] Speaker B: How often has this happened to you that you're so gassed up?
[01:48:11] Speaker A: Enough times I can tell you. I was just on vacation in Missouri, and it seemed like I just got to the point where I was like, you know, just fucking cook it medium. I know you can't hit medium rare. Just cook it medium.
[01:48:23] Speaker B: So keep.
[01:48:23] Speaker A: And I tell you, I'll order it medium. And sometimes they'll hit medium rare. Cause they think that's medium.
[01:48:28] Speaker B: So it's happened again and again. Kenny, hold that thought. Bone, what's the definition of insanity?
[01:48:35] Speaker C: Continuing to do the same thing over.
[01:48:36] Speaker B: And over again and expecting a different result. So this guy is insane.
[01:48:42] Speaker A: If you go to a steakhouse, I mean, like when I go to a barbecue place, I expect a barbecue to be good.
Like if I order the pulled pork, I expect there to be pulled pork on the menu. When I show up, you know, I go to a steakhouse, I expect the steak to be cooked to my liking.
[01:48:55] Speaker B: You know what the good, the best thing about barbecue? Always affordable.
[01:49:01] Speaker A: Well, unless you're me.
[01:49:03] Speaker B: Well, you order like $75 and you're like.
[01:49:06] Speaker A: I mean, that's not.
[01:49:09] Speaker B: Like six times the amount of meat.
[01:49:12] Speaker A: Because you got to understand, you're only in this city at this restaurant.
[01:49:16] Speaker B: The rest of the podcast is about meat.
[01:49:17] Speaker A: You're only in this city at this restaurant once.
[01:49:20] Speaker B: Are we gonna.
[01:49:21] Speaker A: You're only in this.
[01:49:22] Speaker B: Did you start a meat podcast? Like, like the meat pod, slow roasted.
[01:49:30] Speaker A: But a good barbecue place as the meat and three, right? So you should be able to get a sampler of.
[01:49:41] Speaker C: Oh yeah, you gotta get the sample.
[01:49:42] Speaker A: Ribs, a pulled pork and a brisket. And some places will even throw in a fluke. One you get a sausage or a burn ends, like as kind of an add on.
I like brisket chopped. Man, I love it. Chopped good. Fatty brisket chopped. Oh, man.
[01:49:58] Speaker C: Shout out to Dickey's barbecue.
[01:49:59] Speaker A: Lean, a lean biscuit, lean. Brisket that's sliced is just shout out.
[01:50:02] Speaker B: To Ed Lee's trash.
[01:50:05] Speaker A: But here's the thing, barbecue is about more than just the barbecue. The meat has to be smoked well and the sauce you love smoked has to be done well. You have to have a homemade sauce, but the sides also bring the barbecue home. You have to have a good Mac and cheese.
[01:50:18] Speaker B: Yeah, you have to.
[01:50:19] Speaker A: You have to have a good baked bean. Listen, you have to have a good banana pudding and you have to have sweet tea on your menu. If you give you a barbecue place and you don't have those, like, I'm just like, you're not even a real. You're not even a real barbecue place. But that's a whole different thing that.
[01:50:33] Speaker B: I'm not even talking about steak that.
[01:50:34] Speaker A: I'm an expert on, but I'm just tired of spending $100 on a piece of meat that they can't fucking cook to a temperature. It's a temperature, it's like 133 degrees or whatever.
Yeah, this shouldn't be that hard for people that are trained but that's the thing. I don't think they'll train anymore. I worked in a restaurant for a chef. I worked for a guy like chef Ramsay. F this. F you. Your rice pilau sucks. Like, he was in dudes faces. He would try everything that left the kitchen. That dude was never sending a steak out.
[01:51:06] Speaker B: There was medium rare steak.
[01:51:08] Speaker A: It was medium or well done. That steak came out medium rare, or else it was thrown at you and you cooked it again. Again. That's what a real restaurant should have in its background. It should be a disaster back there. You don't see that. You see a purple cooked steak.
[01:51:26] Speaker B: Tell us how you really feel.
[01:51:27] Speaker A: That's what I'm guessed about.
[01:51:28] Speaker B: All right, fair bone. What gets you guessed?
[01:51:31] Speaker A: No pride in steakhouses anymore.
[01:51:34] Speaker C: I probably won't get as emotional, but I was recently on an airplane.
[01:51:38] Speaker B: Bones, highs and lows are much, much.
[01:51:40] Speaker A: More in the middle.
[01:51:41] Speaker B: Yeah. He doesn't veer off that, that path too often.
[01:51:44] Speaker C: No, it's the. You're on a flight no matter how long it is, and you land. Right. And everybody in the front exits first. Correct.
[01:51:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Every time. That's how planes are.
[01:51:54] Speaker C: So every time I'm sitting there in the back because I buy cheap tickets and I get the seat assigned to me, you know, and somebody inevitably just stands up next to you, like, in the aisle. Like, they're going to get out of the. I'm going to beat everyone out, you know, and they still have luggage up top. They can't get to it standing, like, in your face. Or they're literally trying to jump. They're trying to jump seats and get out before you. And you have to sit there and.
[01:52:22] Speaker B: Block them because you're still seated. Their dicks are literally in your face.
[01:52:26] Speaker C: Yes. So, well, this happened to Christy because she was sitting behind me.
[01:52:30] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[01:52:31] Speaker C: And this dude who was sitting, this dude who was sitting in front of me who had a water bottle explode in his bag and then drip on another passenger, mind you, during the flight, the same kid gets out of his seat and goes and stands back by his girlfriend for, like, 20 minutes, right where Chris just hovering over her. So she was actually upset about this, but it's just like, what are you, what are you doing? You're not getting out of the plane. Just sit. Sit your ass in the seat and wait your turn.
[01:52:56] Speaker A: Well, and doesn't it seem like when one person does it, then, then everybody is like, everybody, now I should get my bags and, like.
[01:53:03] Speaker C: Cuz you're like, I don't want this guy getting in, like, you have to wait your turn, right?
[01:53:08] Speaker A: It's the worst.
[01:53:09] Speaker C: Some people will sit there in their seat and be like, you guys can get in front of me. I don't move very quickly, or whatever it is, you know, I see that often. But you're not jumping in front of people on an airplane. Getting off faster than a kicker goes.
[01:53:22] Speaker A: And all the kickers go, I would.
[01:53:23] Speaker B: Agree with you here. That is not how it works.
[01:53:26] Speaker C: Those people should be punished to the.
[01:53:28] Speaker A: Fullest extent of the law.
[01:53:33] Speaker B: All right. Which leads me to what gets me gassed up.
Both of the things that you guys said actually would piss me off. Quite the one that you brought up, Bone. It gets me every time. We're doing some travel coming up here soon. We actually leave Monday night. We'll be gone for two weeks.
[01:53:51] Speaker A: But don't order the steak.
[01:53:53] Speaker B: No, I won't. Especially not for a $100. But, no, I hate when people get up too early on the plane for exactly what I said. Dick's in my face. Like, I just. Sometimes I just like, what if I punch you in your dick? Like, will you sit down then if.
[01:54:07] Speaker C: You'Re standing in your own seat, in your own space, you need to stretch your legs.
[01:54:12] Speaker B: You're standing in the aisle. I'm here to say fuck you.
But anyways, no, that's not what gets me gassed up, even though I did just get gassed up. What gets me gassed up is getting older. But I know you guys know what I'm talking about. We're kind of stopping. We're kind of at that age now. We're, like mid thirties, early middle age.
[01:54:31] Speaker A: Where this, again.
[01:54:34] Speaker B: It'S just like, what gets me about it is I feel great, usually. Like. Like I'll start doing something. And what got me this weekend and made me start thinking about it is I was out. We were doing our garden. We were getting our garden prepped. New house, lots of space.
We're getting our garden prepped, right? And I'm doing, you know, we had to pull all these weeds. I'm doing the rototilling. I get, like, three quarters of the way through the rototilling, and I just, like, legit thought I was about to have a heat stroke. Like, I'm going. I feel good. Like, two minutes before this, I told myself, I was like, oh, look, we're almost done. This is great. Even that bad. And all of a sudden, I get shooting pain to my head. I'm clearly really, really dehydrated.
And I'm like, I feel like I'm gonna throw up. I'm like, I don't know if I could finish this, but I power through it. I did finish it. I got the garden done, but I've been, like, out of commission for the last four days, which is a migraine, not feeling right, and it's finally starting to go back to normal. But I'm just like, what the hell is happening? To where, like I said, I still. There was no warning.
Like, I felt great. I felt phenomenal. I'm just chugging along, and then all of a sudden, he'd stroke dead.
Like, what is this?
[01:55:44] Speaker A: It's that.
The realization of your own mortality.
[01:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really pissing me off.
[01:55:49] Speaker A: Because you feel good, but then you also realize we could also die at any moment.
[01:55:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And I kind of. There was a moment just, like, a single moment when it all started hitting me where I was like, oh, gosh, this is, like, it might be lights out for me today.
[01:56:03] Speaker A: Well, isn't that the worst? You get those moments where you're like, oh, no. Like, am I gonna have to call an ambulance? And you start thinking about, like, I gotta pay $10,000 for an ambulance ride. Like, it just.
Is this the thing that gets me?
[01:56:15] Speaker B: Like, just compounds the problem? Cause you're like, well, now I'm stressed out, and that's adding to the migraine and, yeah, it's. It was. It was wild. Like, to the point I came inside, I told. I told Emily. I'm like, hey, I don't feel good. Like, I'm gonna throw. She's like, should I call somebody? I'm like, I don't think we're there yet, but it might be on standby.
[01:56:34] Speaker A: Might be.
[01:56:35] Speaker B: Yeah. So, like, it was just. It just pissed me off. Like, after it was all said and done, I finally. Like, I said, I'm just now starting to feel normal. Mind you, we're recording this on a Wednesday. It's been three days, and I'm just starting to feel normal. And I still have a headache. I can feel it every time I start raising my voice here.
[01:56:50] Speaker A: It's just one of those things. Like, five or ten years ago wouldn't have crossed your mind.
[01:56:54] Speaker B: The good news is I don't have a blood clot in my head. I don't have any aneurysm because I took my migraine medicine, and if I had an aneurysm, I would die. So, yeah, stupid bad, but I'm okay. So serious. Yeah, yeah. I had to get an MRI there to check. Is the whole thing, which begs the question, let's. That also gets my. We'll go right into that because that gets me gassed up. So I.
Bonus, bonus, gassed up here. Don't even get me started on that. That would be a bonus. Bonus gassed up. My bonus gassed up is I have chronic migraines. I get them quite frequently. And so just recently, I had to go through this whole thing. I had to get an MRI, make sure. Sure. Not that all you guys need to know this about me, but you do.
I had to get an MRI to make sure I didn't have any blood clots because the doctor literally told me, said, if you have a blood clot and you take this, if you have blood clot in your head, you could die. And I said, okay, yeah, well, let's definitely get an MRI to make sure I don't have that so I could take this medicine. He said, I'll knock your migraines out like that. I'm like, okay, cool.
Here's my question. What if I develop a blood clot.
[01:57:58] Speaker A: After the tests are done?
[01:57:59] Speaker B: Yeah. What happens if I just develop one? Like, am I supposed to go back early now and just. Just get them, get an MRI yearly so they could check my head to make sure I still don't have blood clots? And even if that's the case, what if I developed one two months after the MRI? Like, if it dies every time I take this, this migraine medicine, I'm just terrified. I basically, like, sit there for a second.
[01:58:16] Speaker A: I'm like, did I bump my head earlier?
[01:58:19] Speaker B: Is this it? Like.
[01:58:22] Speaker C: What if he shot me in the face?
[01:58:25] Speaker B: So I don't know. That gets me gassed up, too. That gets me really scared. But anyway, anyways, let's talk about the 2024 Browns draft recap.
[01:58:46] Speaker A: I don't know why gassed up was before the Browns draft recap, the whole reason of the show.
[01:58:52] Speaker B: Cause I gotta wait till the end.
If you're still here, we will now.
[01:58:57] Speaker A: Talk, will talk about the draft eventually.
[01:58:59] Speaker B: Yeah. So let's. Let's go ahead and get this thing started. We're going to run through this fairly quickly because obviously we didn't have a first round draft. Not a lot of fireworks for the Browns.
[01:59:07] Speaker A: Yeah, not a lot of fireworks. Like I said earlier, I think this was a draft that probably everybody except for the Atlanta Falcons left feeling like we got better.
[01:59:15] Speaker B: There's a lot of draft, a lot of depth picks for the, for the Browns, for sure, we were doing. So the one that gets me the most excited is their round two pick. Their first pick of the draft was round two pick 54. They took Michael hall, junior. I'm most excited about it. Obviously. We're all home. We love Ohio State. We love everything Ohio we love. Except for the Cincinnati Bengals. They suck.
[01:59:34] Speaker A: They suck. Oh, real quick. You know I don't like Cincinnati, right?
[01:59:40] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty much just Kentucky.
[01:59:42] Speaker A: On our way. On our way to Missouri, I found a place.
[01:59:44] Speaker B: It was.
[01:59:45] Speaker A: I found a place. It was worse. And it's Terre Hode, Indiana. Never good. Never find yourself there. Every person there looks like a puddle of pop or a can of.
[01:59:55] Speaker B: What does that even mean?
[01:59:56] Speaker A: Look, I was in this town for 20 minutes, and it was 20 minutes too long. I went to a. I went to the gas station, and I got out of my car, and the lady's like.
[02:00:03] Speaker B: Right back to gas station.
[02:00:04] Speaker A: The lady's like, you can't get gas there. And I was like, I don't.
[02:00:08] Speaker B: Gas station.
[02:00:09] Speaker A: I don't know what you're. I'm just gonna leave. So I just drove to another gas station. Cause he's like, where are we going? I was like, the lady's ain't kicking gas here, so I'm leaving.
[02:00:18] Speaker B: So when I go to a town, I don't know if someone tells me not to get gas somewhere. This isn't like a scary movie. Like, I'm like, okay, I'm not getting gas sold.
[02:00:27] Speaker A: I get gas, and then I go to a McDonald's, I get a double cheeseburger because I'm hungry, and I'm kind of in between meals. It's the worst double cheeseburger I ever had in my life. It tasted like.
[02:00:35] Speaker B: It tastes a little trash here. Most people, like, they're driving along, and they're like, in between meals. I'm a little hungry. I'm gonna have a granola bar. And he's like, I need a cheeseburger.
[02:00:46] Speaker A: Double cheeseburger. Worst thing I ever ate. Worst thing I ever ate.
[02:00:50] Speaker B: But did you eat it all?
[02:00:51] Speaker A: One of the worst. Just client experiences, like, at a thing either. Like, I couldn't hear the guy. He couldn't hear me. And he's like, yo. I was like, where am I right now? It was Terre Hood, Indiana. That's where I was. Worst cheeseburger ever had. Tastes like it came out of the trash can. Next stop, had to get out of town. I was like, I can't. I can't. I hate it here. There was like. It was like four lanes of traffic on each side. It was like a small town. So I finally get back to the expressway and I'm like, I need a coffee. I gotta drive for, like, five more hours. I need coffee. I hit a Starbucks. This Starbucks. You can't find the entrance to the Starbucks I found. Finally, I'm just driving through parking lots. I get into the Starbucks.
[02:01:24] Speaker B: They literally built a parking lot with no entrance.
[02:01:27] Speaker A: It was. It was so stupid. We finally get in there and we're.
[02:01:31] Speaker B: Going around four later.
[02:01:35] Speaker A: You know, you were guessed up a few weeks ago about your premium coffee's getting screwed up. Worst coffee I ever had. Worst half and half tea. Nice lemonade I ever had. Terre Haute, Indiana, is absolute dump of a place. It's so dumpy. It's dirty. Just like, if you google pictures of it, it's just like. It looks like a bomb went off.
And every person is just. Every person is just fat and ugly and hairy and like, there's just like, Terra ho. I cannot explain to you how much I never want to be in Terre Haute, Indiana ever again.
[02:02:08] Speaker B: Our show is officially canceled.
[02:02:11] Speaker A: It was the worst place I ever been.
[02:02:12] Speaker B: I think there's not a lot of browns fans there.
[02:02:14] Speaker A: I felt like I was in a pow camp.
[02:02:16] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Carry on with the draft anyways. Yeah, we all, we all love Ohio State. And so Michael hall, junior, a defensive tackle, and it was an area of need. We needed some depth defensive tackle. So Michael hall, junior, six 3290. The analysis on him was, it's kind of widely recognized that he had the best first step quickness out of any defensive tackle in the interior alignment in the entire league draft this year. So it could be a great compliment to, like, a Dalvin Tomlinson, who's just known as a run stuffer.
[02:02:50] Speaker A: Run stuffer.
[02:02:54] Speaker B: Michael hall was also named top defensive lineman at the senior bowl practices. And that's voted on by his teammates. So it's the guys that are going up against him every single day. They voted him top lineman there, top defensive lineman there. He has the potential to be a starter very quickly. Like, I'm talking early in the season, season. Obviously, we have some good players there with Shelby Harris, Dalvin, Tomlinson. But I think that Michael hall, junior will see time pretty quickly. And this was kind of the ideal spot in the draft for him.
[02:03:20] Speaker A: And you look at guys like Shelby, Harrison, Mohurst. Like, those guys are older, longer in a tooth. Six 3290. That's an athletic build for a DT.
This is a guy that, you know, for a second round pick in another draft, in another world, he probably has close to first round talent. What excites me about him is that I think he will see a lot of playing time this year.
I think to have somebody that has some quickness as opposed to, we got a lot of guys that have size and are veterans, but to have a guy now that also might be able to disrupt the backfield a little more, it's going to be huge for this defensive line. Cause this is one of the strengths of our team, right? I mean, this is one of the groups we rely on is to be able to get pressure with that front four so that you don't have to send extra backers and things and dbs on blitzes all the time.
We rely on that front four and this is a really solid pickup. Definitely excited about it.
We've spent, we talked about it like in our group chat during the trailer. We spent the last decade or two decades watching AFC north teams draft Ohio state players.
[02:04:31] Speaker B: Like going, we're finally on board, be.
[02:04:32] Speaker A: Studs and like, we're finally drafting Ohio state player like, oh, we should probably draft players from the bet from the best team in the country.
[02:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:04:38] Speaker A: Yeah. That makes sense.
[02:04:39] Speaker B: It makes sense.
Next up here, speaking of, and I hate to say this, best team in the country, at least as of last year, they cheated.
[02:04:49] Speaker A: They bought hamburgers for kids.
[02:04:50] Speaker B: That's fair.
But round three, pick 80, probably a Terra old Indiana.
Round three, pick 85. The Browns took Zach Zimmerman, offensive guard, from Michigan, 66309. The analysis on him. So some of his accolades here, he is a unanimous first team All American in 2023. He's a three time All Big Ten player.
He's known as a great run blocker. He's only, he only allowed one sack and had one blown rock run block in all of 2023 and did not commit a single penalty last season.
So offensive guard, not a huge need.
[02:05:28] Speaker A: For the Browns necessarily in the short term. In the longer term, though, you have Joel Batonio, who's getting older, certain, certified hall of Famer, and then you have Wyatt Taylor, who's been banged up the last couple of years.
So, you know, it's a good pick for a, for the depth. And also, I mean, six, six, three or nine is a mammoth human being played, played for a good team. The team that was known for running the bullock. I don't want to call them the best team in the country like you did because you love Michigan, apparently.
[02:05:56] Speaker B: I hate them. They won the national championship.
[02:05:58] Speaker A: I mean, that running game, Blake Coram and these guys, like, they, they were a huge running team last year and did it really well.
So obviously played for Harbaugh. Like, that's a guy that runs a pro style offense. So this is an absolutely nice depth pick that hopefully develops into a starter when you lose either Petonio to retirement or, you know, someone else to injury.
[02:06:22] Speaker B: And I think that's exactly what it is. I think it's. It's insurance for the future for, for Petonio. I think they, they saw. Cause it actually, if you go by where he was projected to go in the draft, it's a little bit of a reach.
So I think that they saw something in Zack Zinter that they could kind of expand on and develop, and they see him as a potential replacement for Batonio in the future.
[02:06:46] Speaker A: I think it's at his initials or Zz. Like ZZ top.
[02:06:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's pretty cool, too.
[02:06:50] Speaker A: The only be enough for me to draft him.
[02:06:52] Speaker B: The only kind of question mark that you have on Zach Zinter is he did break his tibia, amphibia against Ohio State this past season. They're saying you should be ready for training camp, but, I mean, that's a lot of missed time as far as getting ready for your first NFL season, so. Well, good news is he's not needed to be a starter.
[02:07:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, the thing is, hopefully you don't need to call him into service until mid season or later anyway.
[02:07:13] Speaker B: Right. So next up, pick 5156 was the pick number or round five? Pick 156, Jamari Thrash, wide receiver out of Louisville, or as they say it locally, Boville Volvo. Six foot, 188 pounds. And so this dude's a great route runner. He's also a tough runner and can break tackles. He did have an issue with drops, which I don't like. I'm thinking they might be able. They're thinking they might be able to coach that out of them. And one thing to note, he did play through a broken hand most of last season at Louisville.
He only missed one game because of that broken hand, which is pretty phenomenal. He literally broke his. His hand. Had surgery that week, missed one game, and then was back in playing for the rest of the season.
[02:07:58] Speaker A: I think he was a four four three or a four four seven. He's got some speed.
The only thing that I would have preferred is I want a receiver with some size six foot, 188. Kind of looks like a lot of what's on our team already.
I would love to see them bring in a guy that's just like six 5210.
[02:08:20] Speaker B: What if he ends up being like Travis Benjamin? He just earned, though.
[02:08:24] Speaker A: I mean, here's the thing. Hopefully he's either a good, you know, number three or slack guy or they can get him field and kicks on the new kickoff.
[02:08:34] Speaker B: I think that played into it a lot, too. You were talking about you're going to need two returners now. So I think a guy like this, you could plug into the return game and see how he does. So again, to me, when we talked about this is what most of the picks are. I think it's a good depth pickup. I think there's a lot of upside here, but nothing really jumps out as far as like anything to get really excited.
[02:08:59] Speaker A: You know what, it was such a deep draft at wide receiver. It's like, it's almost turns into this crapshoot. You know, the guy like, Marvin Harrison's going to be great, but as you move out of that first round and you pick receivers from the second to the 7th round, it's like one of these guys is going to be Tyree kill, you know, Jalen Leg. They're going to be great and out of nowhere and then some of these guys that have bigger names and play to bigger schools are going to fizzle out. It's just the nature of wide receiver in the NFL, so hopefully they find themselves a good one. Browns haven't had a good track record of picking wide receivers.
[02:09:38] Speaker B: They took like six wide receivers in a draft and I think one of them ended up on the roster by the end of the season or two.
[02:09:43] Speaker A: Was that the year? The gentle Greg Lul, Muhammad Masaquala and.
[02:09:46] Speaker B: It wasn't that year.
[02:09:48] Speaker C: But anyways, we got the next Puka Nakua. Is that I'm hoping right here.
[02:09:54] Speaker B: You heard it here first bone. Bone has called it. Next up here, round six pick 02:06 Nathaniel Watson. I'm actually pretty excited about this linebacker out of Mississippi State, six to 233 pounds. He is on the lighter side for a linebacker, but he led the SEC in total tackles with 134. He tied for the most sacks in the SEC with ten.
That was all last season. He's the only player in the fbs with at least 300 tackles and 20 sacks since the start of the 2021 season.
He had the second most QB pressures among linebackers in 2023 with 35. He was the third team All American last year. Great tackle. I mentioned he's on the lighter side, but he's really tough to block because of his speed and, you know, he just, he kind of. He just, he's an instinctive pass rusher. You can get after the quarterback, make some noise and I really predict that this guy's going to actually get some playing time this year, especially. This is where it comes in. I was talking about it earlier. Is the new kickoff rules. I think he's going to be a standout on special teams this year.
[02:10:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Look, I actually like his frame. You know, the fact that he was as productive as he was in the SEC is huge. Huge.
The more I like, I like. The more I hear about this Nathaniel Watson kid, like, the more I like a lot. I think this kid has potential to be a starter by mid season, especially since we just lost Jacob Phillips to free agency in that linebacker room we've talked about. It's thin.
This kid's an absolute athlete. I think it's gonna be a matter of, like, how quickly he can come up to speed and Jim Schwartz's off. Or offense? Defense. Um, but I think once he does, that's the key.
[02:11:31] Speaker B: Jim Schwartz just needs to take over the offense.
[02:11:33] Speaker A: I think once he comes up to speed on the defense, I think this kid's a starter. Honestly, I'm super excited about the potential here. I mean, no, I know it's a six round pick, but I think this is. I think this is one that's going to surprise people.
[02:11:45] Speaker B: I actually agree with you as far as the starter, and if we happen to stay healthy all year and he's not a starter this year, I think he's a future starter for the Browns, for sure.
[02:11:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, out of this group. I mean, a lot of these were depth pickups. I think. I think this is. I think him, and I think second rounder hall is going to be two guys that are starters this season.
[02:12:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. And then round seven pick, 227 miles Harden cornerback out of South Dakota, 511 195.
They say he's a strong tackler, comfortable reading the cubian zone or turning a running impressed man. He did have six. He does have six career interceptions and a knack for forcing guys to put the ball on the ground. In 2022, Ohlone forced four fumble.
I think this is another special teams contributor.
It really is a depth piece for that secondary that we talked about.
[02:12:33] Speaker A: We talked about the secondary already about how good they are and how deep they are. I think this is probably one of those where it was like best player on the board at the time. And we know that we've also, even years past that, we've had depth deposition, have had to go through guys, whether it's concussions or knees and shoulders and things, we've had to move guys around. So, you know, if you feel like you got a guy that can play the position, then I'm sure that's probably where they were at the point in the draft. But I don't know that he's somebody that's going to make a huge impact this year. But we'll see then.
[02:13:08] Speaker B: Finally, another round seven pick for the Browns. Pick 243, Juwan Briggs. Another Ohio guy, defensive tackle from Cincinnati. Oh, real quick, Michael hall, junior. I didn't mention, I forgot to mention this when we were talking about him before I finish up with Juwan Briggs here. Michael hall, junior is from streetsboro. Yes, he is literally from our backyard. We played Streetsboro in high school growing up, so it's pretty cool to see a Portage county kid make the brown, like, be a high draft pick for the Cleveland Browns. That's awesome.
[02:13:38] Speaker A: Super excited about him.
[02:13:40] Speaker B: But anyways, Juwan Briggs, defensive tackle from Cincinnati, 62297.
Good the analysis on this guy. He's got good size, good motor, he gets low, wins the, you know, the battle as far as getting a low center of gravity and getting some leverage on the offensive linemen, but he's going to have to fight pretty hard to get a roster spot. We just mentioned how Michael hall junior himself is a defensive lineman defensive lineman. Room is pretty crowded. I will say this, though, this was the most impressive part about Juwan Briggs. Pumped out 39 reps on the bench press at his pro day. So there is that.
[02:14:18] Speaker A: It seems like the Browns in general are like, looking for, like, that's kind of their archetype, is like looking for guys. Absolutely throw people around, may not be the best player to position, but they feel like if they are just the biggest and coach them up, strongest guys that they can coach them up into play.
Here's what I will say about John Briggs is you're absolutely right. The defensive, inside defensive line is a crowded room for Andrew Barry to make a pick of a defensive tackle in the 7th round. Tell mean they think they might see something because what? Cause otherwise it's a wasted pick, right? I mean, if you're going to cut the guy after three, you know, six weeks of camp or whatever, you know, it didn't do you much good to pick him there. For them to spend a draft pick on a guy that late in the draft and pick a DT, maybe there's something that maybe still 39 reps in the bench. Pray. Maybe they're going, this guy's just a monster.
[02:15:10] Speaker B: Somebody showed him the video right at the end.
[02:15:14] Speaker A: We got to have this guy on a practice, at least.
[02:15:16] Speaker B: So bone, who, who sticks out to you in the draft, I'm excited about.
[02:15:20] Speaker C: That linebacker for Mississippi State. The dude just seems like a stud. I just, I was reading he was, like, the male athlete of the year for Mississippi State, out of high character guy, any, you know. So, yeah, I think it just.
[02:15:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[02:15:31] Speaker C: Goes to show kind of who he is and how he performed in the SEC is exciting because I just feel like SEC puts out good linebackers, you know?
[02:15:39] Speaker B: So, I mean, there's a lot of top tier talent.
[02:15:42] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, they're good that are forced to be able to move laterally quickly to cover receivers and the covers fast running backs. I mean, they're, they're, they're forced to be great athletes.
So, as I said, I mean, anytime you get an SEC tackler that's led the SEC in tackles, I mean, that's a guy that can move.
[02:16:01] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And so that, that concludes the draft for the browns here. So, overall, I think, like you said, I mean, I think we definitely got better. We filled a lot of holes, depth wise.
[02:16:13] Speaker A: Was it the most exciting draft you've ever seen? No. Is it the most impactful we ever had? No.
[02:16:18] Speaker B: It feels good to not rely on the draft to build our team. Like. Like, not to build our team. That's not what I'm trying to say. But, like, we don't need to hit on every single pick in order for us to be competitive.
[02:16:29] Speaker A: Like, I mean, there were obviously guys, like, on our wish list that we would have, like, I would have loved to have Vlad McConkey or Christian McCaffrey's brother. Like, I thought those would have been super interesting.
[02:16:38] Speaker B: So good. You don't even know his first name.
[02:16:40] Speaker A: Luke.
Luke, I am your brother.
May I forth be with you? So many Star wars references as they go to mile.
But honestly, these picks, they were the smart picks. These were the guys that they looked at probably, and they were just the best available at the time. And that's a good way to go about it to where you're not living and dying on every pick.
There's little chance that any of these guys are going to be huge busts, and if they are, they're a six round pick.
[02:17:09] Speaker B: Fair. And so, real quick, the undrafted free agents that the browns have picked up thus far. South Carolina wide receiver Amari on Brown. Miami. That's Miami. Of Florida. The U. Offensive lineman Jvion Cohen, Arizona State DB Christopher Edmonds, South Dakota State cornerback DeShawn Gales, Weber State linebacker Winston Reed, BYU running back Aiden Robbins, North Dakota State offensive tackle Jalen Sundal, Rhode island offensive tackle Lorenzo Thompson and Wyoming tight end Trayton Welch.
I have a guy on here that sticks out to me. Do either of you guys have a guy that sticks out as somebody that could potentially be a name that we come to recognize with the.
[02:17:55] Speaker A: Aidan Robbins is the guy that I'm looking at.
I just think it's interesting to have some new blood in that running back room. Obviously probably not bringing back Kareem at this point in his career. Nick Chubb's not going to be healthy on day one.
So you do have Naheem Hines and Jerome back there. But I would love to see somebody come out of nowhere that had some real skill, the potential to kind of go one two with Nick Chubb, you know? Is it Aidan Robbins? I don't know, but just keep an eye on guy can hope.
[02:18:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Bone anybody? Stick out.
[02:18:29] Speaker C: Honestly, it was that running back just because. Same every year, like, there's a running back that just kind of comes out of nowhere and competes. So, yeah, a little more competition in the running back room and then who knows, maybe he'll be. Yeah, Nick's. Nick Chubb's spell or.
[02:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And for me it was Jvon Cohen, the offensive lineman out of Miami. Miami.
This is actually a huge surprise because if you go back and look at draft grades from all the top draft experts, this guy got a fifth to six round draft grade. So the fact that nobody took him, a little scary.
[02:19:05] Speaker A: Something's wrong with him.
[02:19:06] Speaker B: A little scary.
But also, I mean, could be a huge steal for the Browns in free agency as far as the undrafted free agents go.
So I don't, I don't know. He projects to be a backup and he has low end starter potential is where he's projecting. So, like I said, potentially a steal here could be another Andrew Barry move that we look at down the road and we're like, he knew what he was doing there. So keep an eye on that guy. If nothing else, more depth for the offensive line like we talked about.
[02:19:36] Speaker A: I don't think he ever knows what he's doing.
[02:19:38] Speaker B: But anyways, with that, let me remind.
[02:19:40] Speaker A: You, I'm just kidding. We should try and get Andrew on the show.
[02:19:42] Speaker B: I don't think he. Okay, let's try.
[02:19:44] Speaker A: Let's send a media inquiry.
[02:19:45] Speaker B: All right, so again with that, let me remind you to call the burger.
Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take.
[02:19:55] Speaker A: Highlights here, your draft, hot takes. Remember, free agency, hot takes. Sean Watson, hot takes.
[02:20:01] Speaker B: Hot.
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[02:20:21] Speaker B: Operator Czar. No, not standing by because it's an answering machine. But we'll put you on the air and be sure to check out our gear. Www.tappinmedia.com shop and that'll do it for us. What can we expect next week, Kenny?
[02:20:32] Speaker A: Next week? Well, actually, yeah, this weekend, Saturday from 11:00 a.m. 06:00 p.m. We will be out in Berea for the 12th annual park in the park with the top dogtail gate. All proceeds benefit city dogs, Cleveland. So sign up for that. Hope to see you there, link in the show notes, and then after that we'll take another quick break. Remember, we are on off season hiatus here and just kind of spelling episodes here as we do different events or big news breaks. But we will do our next episode on June 8. So probably re released a couple days out after that for post production. But that will be the 23rd annual Kent Browns backers golf outing. As always, though, our socials will be lit. Schedule release next week and we'll be ramping up here for the new season relatively shortly.
Right around the training camp, probably July 4. Middle of July is things get going with the Browns, so we'll be back to full time here pretty soon.
[02:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And so don't forget to check us out on social media. Tab and media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. At the tab and media, I'm burning riversports. That's this. This podcast on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at burning over Sportscast and on X at burning over pod. You can find our podcast wherever we get your podcast from talking to Apple podcast, Spotify, Google podcasts, Amazon Music, Pandora, I heart, radar pocket, cast, Castro, good pot, Stitcher and so many more. And you know what? That take us to Kenny.
[02:21:48] Speaker A: Wow, that was fast facts for days.
Are we back?
[02:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[02:22:14] Speaker A: Damn, it feels good to be back.
[02:22:16] Speaker B: What do you got? What do you got? What do you got? What do you got? What do you got? What do you got? What do you got? What do you got?
[02:22:22] Speaker A: In respect to the fact that we will be doing the 12th annual bargain in the park?
[02:22:29] Speaker B: Hell yes.
[02:22:29] Speaker A: With top dog tailgate this week, I have facts. Dog facts today about dogs.
[02:22:33] Speaker B: Hell yes.
[02:22:34] Speaker A: Number one three, count them, 31233 dogs survived the Titanic sinking. Dogs were in first class and included a pomeranian puppy which her owner wrapped in a blanket to escape with. And everyone thought she was just carrying a bag baby.
Another Pomeranian in a Pekingese were also rescued from the water that night.
[02:23:00] Speaker B: Oh, wow. They went in the frigid cold water and they still survived.
[02:23:02] Speaker A: Got them out of there. They didn't go back for their husbands, but they went back for their dogs.
[02:23:07] Speaker B: A dog is man's best friend.
[02:23:09] Speaker A: Number two.
Two dogs were the first ever higher living creatures to have survived his trip to outer space.
Belka and Stroka, who were sent into orbit the earth in 1960 for 27 straight hours.
[02:23:27] Speaker B: Wow.
[02:23:28] Speaker A: Before safely returning home.
[02:23:30] Speaker B: Nice.
[02:23:31] Speaker C: They're Russians.
[02:23:32] Speaker B: Way to go, guys. Super duper.
[02:23:35] Speaker A: They got so many treats when they got back home.
[02:23:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Lived on in legends forever.
[02:23:43] Speaker A: And number three, here's a name you might recognize. Rin Tintin.
[02:23:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I know that one.
[02:23:48] Speaker A: Starred in 27 Hollywood films. A german shepherd dog was trained to perform various stunts and tricks, and his legacy lived on long after his death, with his offspring continuing to appear in various movies and tv shows. But what you may not know is that Rin Tin Ten was actually rescued off the battlefield by an american soldier during World War one. One. Wow. Lee Duncan.
[02:24:17] Speaker C: So he's european.
[02:24:19] Speaker A: He was born in France. Renton ten. Lee Duncan, american soldier saved him, trained him to perform all various tricks, named him Renty. And then he got the Hollywood treatment. And they said, no, you're not renty. That's a dumb name. You rent.
And for, like, three decades, he was the number one dog in Hollywood, right off the battlefield in World War one.
[02:24:41] Speaker B: That's incredible. You want a bonus one?
[02:24:44] Speaker A: Okay.
[02:24:47] Speaker B: This isn't. I mean, this is probably common knowledge at this point, I guess, but everybody knows Balto, right? Sure, yeah. Balto medicine, antibiotics, and freezing cold temperatures, all that stuff.
No, he ran the. He ran the medicine to help with. Yeah, but Balto actually only ran, like, a fragrance of that thing. And the dog that was the head, the lead dog on the main group that ran, like, I don't know, like, I'm gonna get them fractions mixed up. But he ran, like, half of the leg of the whole thing. His name is Togo, and there's actually a movie about that dog. And if you haven't seen it, is.
[02:25:26] Speaker A: That the newer ones like Kevin Costner. William.
[02:25:28] Speaker C: William Dafoe.
[02:25:29] Speaker A: William.
[02:25:30] Speaker B: And it's not William. It's Willem Dafoe.
[02:25:32] Speaker A: Yeah, Willem.
[02:25:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Kenny didn't know that either for a long time now. Willem Dafoe, though.
[02:25:38] Speaker A: Awesome.
[02:25:40] Speaker B: He is awesome. He's must see tv. But that is a great movie. We watched that probably about a year ago, and it was fantastic. So give Togo his props.
[02:25:51] Speaker A: Well done. We salute, stroke and toku. Toko.
[02:25:55] Speaker B: How dare you, you son of a bitch. I'll tell you this. Get it? Dogs.
[02:26:01] Speaker A: We can no longer watch dog movies in our house. Everybody cries, no, my dog.
It thinks the dogs are in the house. She loses it.
[02:26:13] Speaker B: She dumb dog.
[02:26:15] Speaker A: Anytime. Anytime she hears or sees a dog on tv, she just.
We just gave up watching all the dog movies. There's a dog movie on Netflix right now that's got. Who's the handsome guy?
Rob Lowe. And I really wanted to watch him, but no, no dice.
[02:26:31] Speaker B: Can't watch that.
[02:26:32] Speaker A: My dog is just not letting it happen. So maybe I shouldn't bring my dog to the park. Bark in the park.
[02:26:36] Speaker B: Definitely shouldn't bring the dog to the park. Your dog will wreak havoc.
[02:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah, probably. But that's facts for days.
So I thought those were fun, being that we're doing the dog show this weekend. Yeah.
[02:26:49] Speaker C: Bon appetit, my dudes.
[02:26:50] Speaker A: And don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:26:54] Speaker B: And only you to prevent river fires.
Burning rivers force.
Don't burn it down.
[02:27:06] Speaker A: Feels good to be a gangsta.
[02:27:09] Speaker B: Set it on fire.
[02:27:10] Speaker A: Never go to Terre Haute. Never go to Terra, never. Wherever. If you're. Hi, I'm Matt Quest. Takes you through terracotta like, go anywhere else.
[02:27:19] Speaker B: Hi, I'm Kenny Thunder.
[02:27:20] Speaker A: Fine. Find a new. Find a new route. Don't grow. It's like, what if there was a.
[02:27:25] Speaker C: Mega fan in Terre. Hope you had no idea.
[02:27:27] Speaker A: They should move.
There's. There isn't. Because there's no.
[02:27:30] Speaker B: Thunder will foot the bill for them to move out of that town.
[02:27:33] Speaker A: And I said there was the first higher life forms. Were dogs in orbit? There's no higher life forms in terre haute or none.
[02:27:39] Speaker B: You know, I've got one question for you.
[02:27:40] Speaker A: That's the worst place there ever was.
[02:27:41] Speaker B: I got one question for you.
[02:27:42] Speaker A: Ask Christine. She'd be. She'll be like, what's the worst place she'll be sure that gets terre ho.
[02:27:46] Speaker B: What do tigers dream of when they.
[02:27:49] Speaker A: Take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras or Halle Berry in her catwoman suit?
Don't you worry, your pretty striped head are gonna get you back to Tyson in your cozy tiger bed and then we're gonna find a best friend Doug and then we're gonna give him a best friend hug Doug, Doug, doug, doug, doug, Doug, doug.
But if we get murdered by crystal meth tweakers well, then we're shit out of luck. Good night, Cleveland Brown's fan cruise and the burning river sports cast.
[02:28:34] Speaker B: What better combination could you possibly think of?
[02:28:37] Speaker A: Motorboat. You play the motorboat, you motorboat son of a bitch.
[02:28:42] Speaker B: You old sailor, you.
[02:28:43] Speaker A: You know what I was thinking during that interview?
[02:28:45] Speaker B: What? What were you think? Nothing. Cause you don't have thoughts. Cause you're a brainless idiot.
[02:28:50] Speaker A: Wow. My name is Uhtred, son of Uhtred.
[02:28:53] Speaker B: By the way, I want my foreskin back. It doesn't matter what you think.
[02:28:57] Speaker A: Women's guide to. To anal sex. And it was the second edition. Who makes the second edition? The weather. Outside is weather.
[02:29:05] Speaker B: The other one. The finger. The finger eating food fingers, yes.
[02:29:08] Speaker A: Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:29:11] Speaker C: Yes.
[02:29:11] Speaker A: Oh, my God. My ass is full of shit. He shit everywhere.
[02:29:17] Speaker C: You don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:29:20] Speaker A: And Jesus.
[02:29:21] Speaker B: And Jesus.
[02:29:22] Speaker C: That's right.
[02:29:23] Speaker B: Touchdown.
[02:29:23] Speaker A: Anyway. Oh, no. We suck again.
[02:29:27] Speaker B: It's going down. I'm yelling timber.
[02:29:31] Speaker A: What do you mean, funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
[02:29:33] Speaker B: Are we gonna.
[02:29:34] Speaker A: You're only in this a meat podcast.
[02:29:36] Speaker B: Like a meat pod.
[02:29:40] Speaker A: Slow roasted goddamn jets.
[02:29:44] Speaker B: All I do is win, win, win. No matter what.
[02:29:47] Speaker A: The leads are weak. The leads are weak fucking leads a week. You're weak.
[02:29:53] Speaker B: I mean, last year when I went home, my wife's pants hit the ground. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts.
[02:30:00] Speaker A: Oh, lord.
[02:30:01] Speaker B: Wow. But damn.
[02:30:02] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
You know why, mister? Cause you drove a Hyundai. To get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
[02:30:16] Speaker B: You're sitting in the aisle. I'm here to say, fuck you.
I live my life a quarter of.
[02:30:20] Speaker A: A mile at a time.
[02:30:22] Speaker B: I think we've officially lost all of our more conservative viewers, so I don't think they want to listen any longer.
[02:30:29] Speaker A: This is just happening.
[02:30:29] Speaker C: It's Mother Nature.
[02:30:30] Speaker A: Logo girl when you need her.
[02:30:32] Speaker B: I desperately want to make love to this cheese girl.
[02:30:34] Speaker A: We need cheese girl now. Down Joe Sanderson. Down Joe Sanderson. Who's canceled now? Who's canceled now?
[02:30:42] Speaker B: Probably me.
[02:30:43] Speaker A: You making a photo, fat people.
[02:30:45] Speaker B: I'm not just you.
[02:30:47] Speaker A: We're a whole race, basically.
[02:30:50] Speaker B: No way. She's just straight. Just finger banging their salad.
[02:30:56] Speaker C: You first get shot. Shocked. And then you get the shocker.
[02:31:02] Speaker B: You.
[02:31:02] Speaker A: Like to see almost naked. That's cool, man. Whatever. No, no, no. At my life, it tastes like.
[02:31:07] Speaker B: It tastes here. Most people, like, they're driving along, and they're like, in between meals. I'm a little hungry. I'm gonna have a granola bar, and it's like, I need a cheeseburger.
[02:31:17] Speaker A: Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained?
This is not why you here.
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