BRS 36 – The Emperor Has No Clothes (2023 Offseason Review and Season Preview)

BRS 36 – The Emperor Has No Clothes (2023 Offseason Review and Season Preview)
Burning River Sportscast: A Cleveland Browns Podcast
BRS 36 – The Emperor Has No Clothes (2023 Offseason Review and Season Preview)

Aug 31 2023 | 01:41:56

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Episode 0 August 31, 2023 01:41:56

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Kenny Thunder Ronnie Jams

Show Notes

After dragging for what seemed like an eternity the off-season has finally come to a close and we can look forward to real football being played! In this preseason we had some surprises, our kicker struggled mightily, there were injuries to some players with a ton of potential, there are career concerns due to injuries to a cornerstone of the team, the defense looked good, the offense was inconsistent, the special teams units looked abysmal, there have already been some surprising cuts and there are sure to be more, and contracts are being restructured for what could potentially be one more big splash in free agency or via trade. In other news, Tito is most likely retiring from coaching the Guards, QBs are on the move across the NFL, RBs are still having issues getting paid, we've got an update on our boy Anthony Kendall, injuries are ending games, there were some tragic celebrity deaths, India landed on the moon, and the 2023 season and the expectations that come with it need discussed. So as always we break all that (and more) down for you on the Burning River Sportscast!

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, Browns fans. This is your chance to join the company of some of the Browns all time greats on the first ever Browns Fan Cruise. Picture this. For five unforgettable days, you're sailing across the beautiful Caribbean Sea, reliving the Browns'greatest moments, getting autographs, snapping photos and celebrating on the beach with your favorite Browns alumni like Josh Cribs, Webster Slaughter, Aaron Metcalf and a dozen others. Book now and take advantage of our easy budget friendly payment plans on this once in a lifetime all inclusive cruise adventure. The clock's ticking, Browns fans. To book your cabin and for more information, visit brownsfancruise.com or call 216-284-6472. Today browns Fan Cruise, where diehard fans and Browns alumni come together for the trip of a lifetime. Don't wait. Secure your spot today and go Brown. [00:00:55] Speaker B: Media. It's time. [00:01:18] Speaker C: Time for the Burning River sportscast. The preseason is over and boy, are there a lot of storylines heading into week one. Roster cuts are underway and we're getting closer and closer to nailing down our final 53. And despite finally getting some answers, it still feels like there are a lot of questions. Lucky for you, as the weather starts to turn down, kenny Thunder and red hot Ronnie Jams are just turning it up. What does it all mean as your faithful stewards will break it all down for you, next on the Burning River Sportscast. [00:01:57] Speaker D: I'm just really excited to get those. [00:01:59] Speaker C: Soil samples, but what am I supposed to do? Congratulate a Brown's coaching staff on doing the one thing that everybody in the room could agree on. [00:02:07] Speaker B: Turns out he's got and you wrote in here an uber Jimmy John, which I think translates in Kenny speak to he has a UCL injury and may require Tommy Johnson. [00:02:18] Speaker C: That's correct. [00:02:21] Speaker B: I know that we're kind of both closet WWE fans. Not really closet. I mean, I'll tell anybody wrestling's pretty cool. And Joku Chubb, you got Cooper, so. [00:02:35] Speaker C: Your take is just naming names. Okay, thank you. [00:02:39] Speaker B: I said, why? [00:02:39] Speaker C: I think they're going to be I. [00:02:42] Speaker B: Hate my co host sometimes. Like, sometimes I just wish I could punch him right in a dick. [00:02:46] Speaker D: Dustin Hopkins is the truth. He's going to win us every game. [00:02:55] Speaker C: Welcome into the burning river sportscast presented by Tapping Media And brought to you by the Cleveland Browns Fan Cruise. I'm Kenny Thunder, seated beside the only man who has lost his virginity twice, red hot Ronnie Jams. You know what they say, measure twice, cut once, board out. Today, the man who owns everything the light touches except for the elephant graveyard, the big bone man. Bone man. How's it hanging? [00:03:19] Speaker D: It's going good. Go it, boys. [00:03:22] Speaker C: Ronnie, two questions. Yo, if 20% of the world is Chinese and you have five children, will one of them be Chinese? And two, where can all of our Chinese friends find the Burning River Sportscast? [00:03:32] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. And they can find our podcast wherever they get their podcasts. I'm talking Apple Podcasts, spotify Stitcher, google Podcasts, amazon Music, pandora Heart Radio Podcast, castro Good, Pods and so many more. And don't forget to subscribe on YouTube, the only place that you can find our video podcast. And check us out on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok. Our handle for all of those socials, including YouTube, is at Burning River Sportscast. And we are on X as well, with the handle Burning River Pod, the. [00:04:03] Speaker C: Artist formerly known as Twitter. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And while you're at it, while you're online doing all that stuff, go ahead and check out our Merch WW Dot Thetappinmedia.com shop. We got shoes, hats, mugs, mousepads shirts, shorts, flags, phone cases, and we've dropped the cruise line. [00:04:20] Speaker C: The cruise line is officially dropped, so. [00:04:22] Speaker B: Make sure you check that out along with everything else in the store. We're constantly adding new things. It's pretty dope. Pretty dope, I guess. But you know what that takes us to? [00:04:33] Speaker C: No. [00:04:34] Speaker B: The Burning River news story of the week. [00:04:37] Speaker C: I get it now. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So India landed on the moon. [00:04:47] Speaker C: We've landed on the moon. [00:04:50] Speaker B: No way. Seriously, though, it's pretty crazy that supposedly we landed on the moon back in what the nobody's gone back since? [00:05:00] Speaker C: Well, we went back a couple of times, but sure we did. In fact, we might have been early 70s, actually was the last Apollo mission that made us the moon, but yeah, good for India, I guess. [00:05:15] Speaker B: You think they could send us a picture of our flag so that we know that we were actually there once? [00:05:19] Speaker C: It would be fucking nice if somebody could validate that once and take pictures. [00:05:23] Speaker B: Of the actual footsteps. [00:05:24] Speaker C: And if I was India, I would be motivated to do it. I'd be like, screw America. I'm going to prove to you that you weren't there. And then the emperor has no clue. [00:05:32] Speaker B: The Emperor has no true. Yeah. Don't pay attention to the man behind. [00:05:36] Speaker C: The like, what if that happened and India could then say we were the first people on the moon? [00:05:41] Speaker B: It changes everything. [00:05:43] Speaker C: Changes all of human history. [00:05:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying, like, India, here's your shot. Here's your shot. [00:05:50] Speaker C: Yeah, so I heard that they've left, like, I don't know, nine bags of human waste on the moon. They should go find those. And if they can't, we didn't go. [00:05:58] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, if there's one thing that humans know how to do, it's wreck everything that we touch. Let's just leave some waste. [00:06:04] Speaker C: Well, we couldn't think of bags. [00:06:05] Speaker B: They were literally in space. It was going to just throw it out in space. They just left it on the moon. [00:06:09] Speaker C: It was too heavy for the lunar lander to take off again. Yeah, well, the time we thought we would build a moon colony there, we'd be back a lot of times. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, by now that should have happened, right? [00:06:19] Speaker C: But then we were like, we don't really need to go, which just makes no sense to me. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Why was there this race to get to the moon and then all of a sudden everything just stopped? [00:06:29] Speaker C: Everything stopped. Once we won, it was like it's over. [00:06:32] Speaker B: Zach I mean, Bone man, do you have anything to say about this? [00:06:38] Speaker D: I'm just really excited to get those soil samples. And then I believe India is going to let us know the temperature of the soil and the south pole of the moon. So really looking forward to that. [00:06:48] Speaker C: Do we anticipate it being cold because it's in the South Pole? [00:06:52] Speaker D: There's reports that the temperature 8 CM into the soil is colder or warmer than the temperature outside of the soil. [00:07:00] Speaker C: This is why Zeke hold on a second. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Hold on a second. [00:07:03] Speaker C: Boner is the resident historian. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Hold on a second. Boner just told us this. He just said that the temperature 8 CM down is colder or warmer than the temperature. [00:07:16] Speaker D: I'm still waiting for those reports from India. [00:07:19] Speaker B: So it could literally be anything. [00:07:21] Speaker D: I'm not sure what it's going to be. [00:07:23] Speaker C: This is called climate science one. [00:07:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be colder, it could be warmer. One of those things. [00:07:29] Speaker D: I can't wait. [00:07:30] Speaker C: Here's the thing. It's been said that no one's ever been to the dark side of the moon. Well, no one has ever been to the dark side of my moon either. [00:07:38] Speaker B: Mysterious. Sorry. Anyways, we're going to move on from India landing on the moon because this wasn't good. That'll take us to the Burning River. [00:07:49] Speaker C: Rundown Show was already off the rails. [00:07:59] Speaker B: As always, we're going to start the Burning River Rundown with the Cleveland Browns because we are a Cleveland Browns podcast. [00:08:03] Speaker C: Cleveland Browns podcast. [00:08:05] Speaker B: And as you can see, I'm wearing the we almost always almost win shirt because we're coming fresh off the heels of losing to the Chiefs in our final preseason game. A game that we held a what, 18 point lead, something like that. [00:08:20] Speaker C: We almost won. [00:08:21] Speaker B: But we didn't. We almost always almost win. So here we are. But the preseason is officially over. The Browns record in this preseason, one, two and one. [00:08:32] Speaker C: Perfect. Just like the regular. [00:08:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So we've said from the beginning the main goal of the preseason is to stay healthy. You want your team healthy going into the season. Unfortunately, that's not going to be the case for the Browns. New we had a couple defensive linemen already go down earlier in the preseason that we talked about. Won't be back until probably week four or so. But in this latest game, Jaqueem Grant also tore his ACL and he is done for the season. [00:09:01] Speaker C: Was that a patellar tendon? [00:09:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, it was a ruptured patellar. You're right. They updated it. Torn ACL. [00:09:07] Speaker C: Either way, his knee is blown. [00:09:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So Jacqueem Grant done for the season, which is tough break for him. He finally made it back from injury. [00:09:14] Speaker C: Terrible break. [00:09:15] Speaker B: And here we go again. [00:09:16] Speaker C: I mean, the achilles last year and the patellar this year for a guy that I was super excited about when we got him and I was like, this is going to be great. And now we just never get to see him be a brown. And we probably won't at this. [00:09:29] Speaker B: We probably won't. He's probably going to get released with injury designation and I just don't know how. [00:09:34] Speaker C: I mean, he's what, 30 years old. You got a patellar and Achilles. [00:09:39] Speaker B: Like, those are just devastating injuries, especially for a guy that counts on speed. Also in injury news, Denzel Ward got his fourth concussion in this game. Could miss the opener, could even shorten his career. I mean, again, it's his fourth concussion. He's 26 years old. I know you had a question, so go ahead and ask your question. [00:09:56] Speaker C: Well, my question is, look, I know Stefanski is always the smartest in the. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Room, but, yeah, I'm back to Stefani. [00:10:04] Speaker C: What was the plan here? Why did we have our starters playing in the fourth preseason game? If you wanted to play the game before that was probably the one to play them in. So you get guys back another week if they get injured or whatever. What was Zell even doing out there? You've got Miles Garrett who didn't play, Nick Chubb who was a scratch. Why? Because those are the best players on your team. You would think that at this point with the contract Zell has he's earned the right to sit in the no, no. We got him out there playing against the Chiefs. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:10:31] Speaker C: Against the Chiefs backups. [00:10:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:33] Speaker C: It wasn't even like the Chiefs starters were playing. [00:10:35] Speaker B: No. [00:10:36] Speaker C: And we got Zell out there for what reason? Oh, so we can get a concussion. [00:10:38] Speaker B: Great. [00:10:39] Speaker C: And here's the bad thing. This is his fourth concussion, at least the one that we've that's in today's NFL. You're starting to get to the point of I need to have a serious conversation with my family, whether or not I want to keep playing football, how much longer I want to keep playing football. And Zell's. A young stud. We are going to count on him a lot this year. We want him back as soon as we can get him back. And he's one of the critical pieces of that defensive unit. [00:11:07] Speaker B: He's a mainstay, but we got him. [00:11:10] Speaker C: Out there just playing with jobbers in. [00:11:13] Speaker B: A week before the season because why not? Those guys are going 500 miles an hour just trying to make the team. What's the worst that could happen? [00:11:18] Speaker C: What's the worst that could happen? I don't know. [00:11:22] Speaker B: But there was some good news on the injury or at least health concerns front this week. We did get Marquise Goodwin back. He's been cleared to play, blood clots and all. [00:11:33] Speaker C: Speaking of cleared to play, what was the conversation with Jacem Grant's doctors? You're good, man. Because he literally ran one time and fell over. Makes me question how close what's the process there like Marquise Goodwin is to being cleared to play. Like, blood clots is a scary hopefully. [00:11:50] Speaker B: They don't have the same doctors to. [00:11:51] Speaker C: Have happen to you, especially at a young age. What's the explanation to give you for that? And then what's the explanation to give you for that? They're like, hey, you're good. Now we figure we got some blood thinners. [00:12:03] Speaker B: We were really concerned a month ago, but now you're good to go. [00:12:06] Speaker C: You're totally good. [00:12:07] Speaker B: I'm not sure, but I don't want to speculate this. [00:12:10] Speaker C: Like, bad is going to happen to him. But concerning it seems concerning to me that he's just like, you're good. [00:12:16] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I agree. So with that, those are some of the injuries that we're talking about now that the Browns are dealing with. But with that, like I said, they were one, two, and one in the preseason, which doesn't really no, no, I mean preseason doesn't matter, but preseason discussion here. One of the good things that I saw in this preseason is I am very excited about the defense. We're coming off a season where the defense grossly underperformed last year looked bad. Like really bad most of the season. And so far I think the thing that sticks out to me most is the defensive line really gets after it. They can cause some havoc back there and really hurry quarterbacks up. So I'm looking forward and that's without our sackmaster, without our sackmaster back there, just taking care of business. So I'm pretty excited to see what the defensive line is going to do in the regular season. [00:13:16] Speaker C: Can I throw a wet blanket on your parade? [00:13:17] Speaker B: Sure. I love it when you do that. It's my favorite thing that you do. You do it all the time. You hate the Browns. [00:13:23] Speaker C: I don't hate the Browns. [00:13:25] Speaker B: Sure. [00:13:26] Speaker C: My wet blanket would be a lot of the plays that were made, a lot of the turnovers, a lot of the good things that defense did were by guys that have been cut. [00:13:37] Speaker B: See that? [00:13:38] Speaker C: We didn't see a lot of the starters in the preseason, but these guys better motor just like these younger guys did that aren't going to be playing in the NFL this year. Because a lot of the impressive stuff that happened was from younger guys who were trying to make a name for themselves that just didn't make the roster. And look, here's the other thing. I like Jim shorts. We got the Jim Shorts, jim Shorts line. I think Jim SHORTZ is a good coach. I'm hopeful that he can do a lot of things here. I also have to take a step back, though, and be realistic to say this is a new coach, new scheme, new play calls, new alignments, new everything. Not to mention you have different guys calling the place when you're out on the field because all of your linebackers were hurt last year. So I'm assuming Anthony Walker is going to take the brunt of those duties again. But he missed most of last year. So just new calls, new coach. It's going to take a while for this unit to gel. I don't expect a lot of really impressive defense out of these guys until week five or six. [00:14:38] Speaker B: Man, you just hate the Browns. [00:14:40] Speaker C: No, I'm just being realistic. I don't think miscues and missed calls and guys not being where they're supposed to be, those are going to happen in the first season. [00:14:48] Speaker B: We had a guy in the execution of the loser for King of the north say that the Browns were going to go 24 and he was already. [00:14:56] Speaker C: Wrong because he was excited. He counted the preseason games. [00:14:59] Speaker B: The weird part was that wasn't even like the first preseason. [00:15:03] Speaker C: No. [00:15:03] Speaker B: Well, I guess we had won the first one, so whatever. But anyways, so the defense I look at the defense as a good thing so far. As far as just coming out of the I liked what I saw coming out of the preseason. [00:15:13] Speaker C: I'm optimistic. I'm just saying I want people to also be realistic because if this defense doesn't start as hot as they looked during the preseason, I don't want people to get down on them because they're going to get better. [00:15:25] Speaker B: I believe you don't want people to turn on them as quick as they turn on Kate. [00:15:28] Speaker C: Gork. We'll have that conversation in a second, I'm sure. But yeah, I just think that they have to be patient with this defense because there are a ton of good players out there now. But it's going to take time just like anything else. We added deshaun last year. We thought, oh, Deshaun is good. Well, what does he look like after six games? Not very good. Did he I think we're going to have a lot of similar feelings after six weeks of this Browns defense before they start to play really well. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And we mentioned Cade York. So I'll move on to the bad of the preseason. The bad of the preseason has been the special teams in general, not just Cade York, but we had this whole Cade York versus Bajora Cliffs because there's this big debate out there right now going on. Well, there was this big debate going on. Was it Cade York that was missing the Kicks or was it Bajora Quiz is Bad Holder, because he's been released out from multiple places because in part his holding has been piss poor. Well, no need to have that debate anymore because Kate York is gone as of today. He's not officially gone as of today. Today's Monday. We record on Mondays, but he will be released tomorrow on Tuesday. And the Browns have traded for Dustin Hopkins from like we like I just said, Cade York. Everybody turned on him pretty quick. I mean, he didn't have as bad of a rookie season as everyone likes to say he had. There were some bad moments, but overall, I mean, he had a pretty normal rookie season for a kicker. And then coming into this year, obviously, I know he's missed a lot of kicks in the preseason, but it was kind of crazy how quickly it went from some optimism. It's a far fall from grace. After hitting the first in his first game with the Browns, he had a 58 yard game winner against Carolina to beat Baker Mayfield and the boys to where we're at now. So, I mean, I don't know if you want to talk, you want to. [00:17:26] Speaker C: Look, I just think that the optics were bad. I don't disagree. The optics were bad. And every time he went to kick, I held my breath, which was totally different than last year. I think we felt really good about Cade last year. Here's the thing about Cade. Cade has talent. You don't get drafted in the fourth round by an NFL team if you don't have talent. So we know he has talent, and we know he has a hell of a leg because he could kick at 60 yards. That's not a talent or a skill. That all kickers have in the NFL. Now, if you can't kick through the uprights, it doesn't much matter. I guess it but here's the thing. Kickers miss kicks. And especially in today's NFL, where we've moved the extra points back, it's not a sure thing anymore. Everybody likes to get all over these kickers and they miss an extra point because you have to make those. By and large, they do, to the tune of some 90, some percent. But that means 10% of those kicks are missed all season long. I've seen Justin Tucker miss kicks, and he's probably the best to do it, at least in today's game. I just think that the standard for kickers is so damn high that as soon as a kicker feels it misses a couple of kicks, that everybody wants to just write them off. And in turn, you end up writing off guys that have talent, may develop later on. You look at guys like Greg Joseph, Zane Gonzalez, who the Browns have cut in the last couple of years. Those guys have jobs on NFL teams today. And Cade York's not an exception. He'll have a job again in the NFL. He certainly was going through something right now, something mental. But you know what? I put that on. I don't put that on Cade. I put that on the fact that you brought in a new special teams. [00:18:55] Speaker B: Coordinator this year, and he's phenomenal. [00:18:57] Speaker C: Who was supposed to be this big players coach and was going to help out and turn the special teams unit around, and you've made a kicker who could kick it 65 yards worse in the offseason. So we can all point fingers at Kid York. That's easy because he's an easy release. It's harder to get rid of. Very Ventron right now because we haven't seen the special teams be a disaster yet. All we've seen is Cade York be a disaster. [00:19:21] Speaker B: And I mentioned it wasn't just Cade York. Their return game hasn't been good in the preseason. [00:19:26] Speaker C: Well, even Cade's last kick wasn't even a bad kick. It was blocked. So whose fault is that one? [00:19:33] Speaker B: Well, and I don't know, because then you have Stefanski after the game saying that it was Cade York's fault because he kicked it too low. [00:19:40] Speaker C: Okay, well, somebody needs to work with him on that. [00:19:42] Speaker B: Well, that goes back to is it Ventron then? Because you should probably teach your kicker not to kick it solo if that's. [00:19:48] Speaker C: A just and to come on the heels of a camp that he had that was exceptional. You talked to anybody that was at Browns camp all season long? All season long. The dude didn't miss a single kick. [00:19:57] Speaker B: At practice, even through all these preseason games. Didn't miss anything. [00:20:00] Speaker C: Didn't miss anything. And the minute he misses a couple of kicks in a game, you just want to write them off. So I just think that the standard, and I think quarterbacks are subject to this, too, right? I mean, Tim Couch was the best quarterback in Cleveland until Baker Mayfield showed up. That was 20 years, and people were so we couldn't get rid of Tim Couch fast enough. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Well, you want a more modern example of that? Gino Smith? [00:20:21] Speaker C: Sure. [00:20:22] Speaker B: I mean, everybody shit all over him and wrote him. He just needed a couple of years to get his feet under. [00:20:27] Speaker C: It's just the standard is so high. These guys don't have any chance to work through anything. They don't have any chance to develop any mental toughness or work through any problems they actually have, because as soon as they have a bad game or two, we're just that no, move on to the next one. I blame the impatience of the human genome and Raven TRone. [00:20:47] Speaker B: It is crazy, though, because and I know people will say it was different, different time, like, all kinds of excuses that they'll give him. But if you graded Phil Dawson back in the day by the same standards that he would make it York, he'd have been cut after his rookie season. [00:21:01] Speaker C: Yeah. And he's a guy that I think he bounced around a little bit before he got to Cleveland and the expansion team, and it was because of that. I mean, you look at Phil's early kick percentages, they weren't that good. Now, we got to love Phil Dawson because he was the only person that scored points for our team, but that doesn't mean he was the greatest kicker of all time. Phil certainly missed kicks. So show me a kicker that's been 100% for their lifetime. You won't find one. [00:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's enough about our terrible special teams in the preseason. I'm sure we'll talk more about it when we do our season pre and. [00:21:33] Speaker C: Leave a Jorquez alone. That dude punts the ball like 55 yards. [00:21:37] Speaker B: So glad they didn't go with that and say, let's just get rid of both of them. [00:21:41] Speaker C: And he's got the best punter here in the game. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. So we did the good, we did the bad. I do have some interesting things here from the preseason. One, you were right all along. People are already calling for DTR to start, which I don't understand. I know he's played well in the preseason, but seriously? Seriously. And then obviously we have the whole Josh Dobbs. We ended up trading. We cut mond. So we're down to DTR as our backup, and people are calling for him to start. [00:22:09] Speaker C: First things first, I need to understand this third quarterback rule because the NFL has implemented a new rule this year where you have an emergency third quarterback. But then I'm also hearing that this emergency third quarterback has to be on your active 53 man roster. That doesn't seem like anything's changed to me, because I could just have a third quarterback on my roster. [00:22:27] Speaker B: No, but you have to designate them, is what it is. So whether it's a receiver or running back or whoever, you have to designate who your emergency third quarterback is. [00:22:36] Speaker C: But why wouldn't I just keep three quarterbacks on the roster, then? [00:22:40] Speaker B: Well, because then you could have, for example, San Francisco's, in the playoff game last year, they designated. [00:22:48] Speaker C: Shit christian McCaffrey. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Christian McCaffrey as their emergency third quarterback. So it doesn't take up an extra roster spot. It's just they're already there. [00:22:56] Speaker C: But that's what I'm saying, is they have to be a part of the active 53 man roster. So that's what I don't understand. [00:22:59] Speaker B: That's why they don't carry a third quarterback, because an actual third quarterback would take up a roster spot. Kristen McCaffrey is already on the team, so he's not taking up an extra roster spot. [00:23:10] Speaker C: But we could do that anyway in last year's rules because Christian McCaffrey played quarterback and we've seen Jarvis Landry and some other guys out in Denver. Was that kid's name that wide receiver that don't I guess I don't understand it. I need someone to actually explain it because it still doesn't make any sense to me. I feel like you didn't really explain it at I mean, do you have a thought on that? [00:23:30] Speaker B: Can you explain that any other way? Because I think Kenny's just too stupid to figure it. [00:23:35] Speaker D: Think it I think it saves a roster spot instead of having three quarterbacks. [00:23:39] Speaker B: Stupid. [00:23:40] Speaker C: But I thought the point was that they don't want Christian McCaffrey to be the third quarterback anymore. They wanted to have a designated spot for a third quarterback because it kills the level of competition. So they wanted you to be able to have a third quarterback without losing a roster spot, which was I thought the intent was of the rule. [00:23:54] Speaker D: So are you saying there should be 54 roster spots? [00:23:56] Speaker C: There should be 53 men and then a guy that sits in the booth and he dresses and you call him if you need him. Kind of like the hockey goalie rule where they can just pull a coach off the bench because they need a goalie. [00:24:09] Speaker B: I don't know how it's written then I don't understand because I thought the. [00:24:13] Speaker C: Whole point was that when Christian McCaffrey takes over in a playoff game, we know who's going to win this playoff game, not the team that has Christian McCaffrey as the quarterback. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess we'll look at doing we'll get back to you guys on next episode because we have no idea apparently. [00:24:26] Speaker C: But going back to DTR to start, I think the simple answer to this is that people don't like Deshaun Watson. [00:24:32] Speaker B: Until he starts winning. [00:24:34] Speaker C: Until he starts winning. But look, I'm going to make sure that I keep an arm's distance here, too. Because as much as I want Deshaun to come back and be great, I stand by what I said last year, that the allegations against him were serious and on any level, if they were true at all, this is a man that had some serious emotional mental health crisis or instability. And I don't know, that's someone that you want leading your NFL franchise. So we'll see if he can bounce back and become everything that we hoped he was. I certainly hope that he does. I don't want to see anything but the Browns win a Super Bowl. But I would be lying if I said I'm not still worried about mean. [00:25:19] Speaker B: It'S fair and I'm with you, but here's the he's going to be our quarterback. [00:25:24] Speaker C: Well, yeah, no, I mean, I know that. I'm just saying I think that's where there's some people that are never going to get over that and then you throw this flashy new toy out there that can do all sorts of things that Deshaun does. And he's fast and he's accurate and he has cool tattoos that his friend put on himself. And I think that there's likability factor there and the fact that he's kind of an unknown even though he's one of the most prolific college quarterbacks ever. [00:25:48] Speaker B: He's an underdog right now. He was drafted in what, 3rd, 4th round, wasn't he? [00:25:52] Speaker C: Fifth round. [00:25:52] Speaker B: Fifth round, yeah. So he was drafted in the fifth round. So everybody's looking at him like he's not expected to do anything. So when he does it's that you. [00:25:59] Speaker C: Get a little bit of the Brock Purdy thing. [00:26:01] Speaker B: The Brock purdy thing. The Tom Brady thing. I mean, not that he's ever going to be Tom Brady, but you know what saying like it's, oh, that guy was drafted real low and now he's doing something. Everybody likes to root for those guys. Unless you're Tom Brady and you do start winning and then everybody hates rooting for for a long time. [00:26:15] Speaker C: But sometimes those guys do have it. [00:26:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Sometimes they do. [00:26:18] Speaker C: I mean, we could have just as easily said, drew Bledsoe is a cemented starter in this league, and who's Tom Brady? You're a 7th or 6th round draft pick. Like, get out of here. [00:26:26] Speaker B: That's true. The final interesting thing I have here, though, is Duan Jones has started getting reps in practice at left tackle, which I would like to see how this develops because we talked about it last time on the show, and it is difficult for a lineman to switch from right tackle to left tackle. And he was playing so well at right tackle. You wonder how it translates. But at the same time, we also always talk about how Jedrick Wills is a turnstile. [00:26:54] Speaker C: Yeah, Jed Wills is ass. I don't know if they go to a swing tackle before, just based on play earlier in the year. I don't know if it'll be Dewan or not. What I'm excited about in Dewan is the fact that this guy looks like he's going to be a player in the league for a long time. Whether he plays on the left side or the right side, it was a steal. And he looks light on his feet. He's athletic, he's huge. [00:27:20] Speaker B: That's probably the best compliment you could ever give that guy because he's the biggest guy alive. And if he's looking light on his feet, he's doing something right. [00:27:28] Speaker C: I mean, he looks like a guy that is giving full effort on every play, which you can't not like. So that's the important thing to me. I don't want to put the cart before the horse on any of the Duan Jones stuff because I just want to see him continue to develop and not put him in a situation where he's unprepared and then ends up when you're unprepared, you end up doing things you shouldn't do. And that's how you get hurt. And that's what I don't want to see. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:27:52] Speaker C: Dewan Jones. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm with you there, but no. So that takes us to here's some of the cuts that have been made so far. Again, we are recording on Monday, so some of them are starting to roll in here. But the final roster isn't due until tomorrow, towards the end of the day. Right. So late afternoon. So we won't know all of the cuts. I mean, you guys will know them when our episode comes out, but we won't know them until and even once. [00:28:16] Speaker C: The 53 man is finalized on Tuesday, things will change in that week up to the game. Because whether people are hurt or they find somebody off a team that cut them on Tuesday, there's often a lot of turnover just in that final week. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah, but some of the notable names here, Anthony Schwartz. Thank God he's finally gone. Finally, Anthony Schwartz has been sent home from Berea. [00:28:42] Speaker C: I'm not even excited about this because. [00:28:46] Speaker B: You'Ve literally shit on Anthony Schwartz. [00:28:48] Speaker C: But what am I supposed to do congratulate a Browns coaching staff on doing the one thing that everybody in the room could agree on. [00:28:54] Speaker B: It's true. [00:28:54] Speaker C: He's the worst football player I've ever seen in my life. You can't just bring athletes in just because they're athletes and make them football players. That's just not how that works. [00:29:03] Speaker B: Football player ever. [00:29:04] Speaker C: He's the worst football player ever. He's a wide receiver that cannot catch. [00:29:07] Speaker B: The wait, but wait. [00:29:11] Speaker C: It'd be like if he didn't have legs and you were a track star. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Listen, there's a caveat here. [00:29:16] Speaker C: No, there's no caveat here. [00:29:18] Speaker B: They cut Anthony Schwartz with an injury designation. [00:29:21] Speaker C: True. So they could bring him back. Potentially. But look, again, I'm not going to get overly excited about this because I just think this was such low hanging fruit for any NFL organization that you would have to be so incompetent. The incompetence we've seen over the last two years as this team has floundered. And people like Anthony Schwartz are reasons why they're illustrations of the ineptitude in Cleveland at all times. Because what is this man doing on your roster? Absolutely nothing. So the fact that they did good say it again. Good fucking job, guys. You did the one thing that everybody knew you should do. Now get out of here. [00:29:55] Speaker B: All right, well, moving on, I guess. Next up here we have Ronnie Hickman, which Ronnie Hickman was cut. And I'm really disappointed about this because what the hell else did this guy have to do to get a roster spot? [00:30:06] Speaker C: This is a tragedy. Travesty. [00:30:07] Speaker B: I mean, I will say Juan Thornhill and his limited time that he's played has looked know he cemented the starting position, but I don't know why they want to keep Ronnie Hickman as a depth piece and somebody that's just like, we don't want this guy on another roster. And he's a hometown. He went to Ohio State. [00:30:30] Speaker C: When you have DBS, I mean, you can sometimes slot him in as, like, an extra corner if you don't have room for him in your safety spots or something. But you would have thought they would have found some way to hang on to him. He had a tremendous preseason. I think he showed a ton of potential. And I think the reality is it's hard to be undrafted and make a team in the NFL that's fair. Because even as well as he played, what else could he have done? [00:30:57] Speaker B: I will say this. We do have a number of good safeties on our I mean, I guess it's a good problem to have when you're trying to make these tough decisions. And I do understand it's a business and tough decisions have to be know. [00:31:07] Speaker C: Maybe one of those tough decisions, uh, Grant Elpitt, who would keep waiting for him to do anything good. [00:31:13] Speaker B: That's true. I mean, maybe he should have gone and not I do I will say this. I think Ronnie Hickman is going to do something in this. [00:31:20] Speaker C: Yeah, you're gonna hear he'll get a job somewhere else. [00:31:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And then finally we've already mentioned it, but we'll come back to it just real quick. Let's keep this brief. Cade York announced today that the Browns traded for Chargers kicker Dustin Hopkins. York will be on waivers tomorrow. And the only thing I'll kind of say again here is it feels bad. A guy that came in with such high hopes, the whole city of Cleveland had such high hopes for him. Fourth round pick used on a kicker. You don't see that very often. Dude's got a cannon for a leg. And he hit a game winner in his first game with the Cleveland Browns. You thought it was like and the rest was history. Well, not so fast. And here we are, less than a calendar a year later, and he is no longer a so it just it feels bad all around now with Dustin Hopkins. I will say this, though. The Browns did end up with D Hop after all. [00:32:13] Speaker C: Great. [00:32:13] Speaker B: It just wasn't the one everyone expected. [00:32:15] Speaker C: It was the white one, which is fine, but look, Dustin Hopkins didn't win the job in his own ball club. So basically, let's say the Browns had another kicker on their roster all offseason and he didn't get the job. We were like, that's the guy we want. Yeah, I realize he's a veteran. He's been around in the league for a long time. But you know what else Dustin Hopkins has done in his career? He's missed kicks. So I give as impatient as this fan base is with their unrealistic expectations that every kick should be made, every extra point should be made. Yeah, I give them till midseason before we're calling for just go get another kicker. They grow on trees. You could just find any kicker. [00:32:58] Speaker B: Are we going to start the Dustin Hopkins meter? [00:33:04] Speaker C: No, because Dustin Hopkins isn't a long term fixture here in Cleveland. We feel like he's a more he's a more competent kicker than the one we had, and we hope we can get through the season with him kind of a lot. Cody Parkey, when he was here during the Browns playoff run that year during COVID But I just think there's a lot of young talent that gets wasted. The kicker position early on in their career, young Way coup was another one that was cut early on. Rodrigo Blankenship keeps getting bounced around after a strong start in Indy. I just think the expectations for these guys are so high and it's just a zero sum game for them. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Yep. So moving on here, the Browns made a number of contract restructures this week for space. [00:33:49] Speaker C: This is I'm excited about. [00:33:50] Speaker B: So Joel Batonio, Miles Garrett, and David and Joku all had their contracts restructured. And the Browns, they joined Deshaun Watson, who that's who we started the season restructuring his contract. So the Browns now have the most cap space in the entire NFL. So I guess is this move to right size the cap for the future or kenny, are you smelling desperation here for a win now move that's going to be made here sometime soon? [00:34:22] Speaker C: I do think that it's a move for the preeminent future. I think this is if there is a player that makes our team significantly better before the drade deadline, we're going to do what we can to go out and get him. I think someone that fits that bill is maybe like an Aaron Donald who may be on a team that's rebuilding and he's later in his career and doesn't want to be a part of that, wants to be on a win now mode. Like if someone like that came available. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Dude, if the Browns brought in Aaron Donald. [00:34:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, almost similar to the Von Miller move when the Rams won the Super Bowl that year, so a couple of years ago. So I think that's the first thing this is for. I do want to hedge a little bit, though, because we got to remember that all these contract restructures, they're interesting because you go, oh, the Browns have all this cap room now. Sometimes these contractor structures don't work out necessarily and you don't see it a whole lot. But like, for instance, Johnson II, I think if you look up his dead cap number against the Browns next year, it's like $8 million. So while we have this free cap money that we've just restructured out, we're still paying John Johnson the third. We're still paying Jadevion Clowney even when they're not on our roster. So you got to keep that in mind that even if this isn't a desperate win now move, it may very well be a long term way to try to even out the numbers in the future. I think both are possible. But given where this team is at, given the expectations for this year, given the expectations for Deshaun, given the expectations for K Jork, who we just cut, I think that this team wants to pull every opportunity, lift every stone on their way here to make sure that they have done their due diligence and done everything they could to put the best team on the field. Because there's no excuses this year. You have Deshaun with the full season. You've brought in talent at the right places except for linebacker, which we don't care about in Cleveland. And you feel like you're a much better team. You feel like you're a much better team on paper. So the AFC North is crowded, and you're going to have to do something. You have to bring in and hesitate to say Odell Beckham because we had that here once. But you need a move like that if you're going to seriously contend because all these other ball clubs are probably thinking the same thing. [00:36:40] Speaker B: Yeah, and I will say this something that I've heard this discussion all week long, but something that everybody seems to forget is all these coaches even up to Andrew Barry, if they don't make the playoffs this year, we're going to see a lot of turnover. [00:36:55] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [00:36:56] Speaker B: And so to your point, I think you're probably right. I would like to say that this is just for the future and it continue building our team. But no, I mean if we don't make the playoffs and probably make a little bit of a run in the playoffs, somebody's getting fired, all these people aren't coming back. And so I think that they all know that. And so that's what part of what. [00:37:15] Speaker C: Goes only scenario that happens. [00:37:17] Speaker B: And Andrew Barry's draft picks are starting to look worse and worse. [00:37:21] Speaker C: Worse and worse because the playmakers on this team are all John Dorsey picks. Yeah, no, you're 100% right. I think the only way that this works out that a bunch of people don't lose their jobs at the end of the season is if they're twelve and five and somehow miss the playoffs because the AFC North is just so, the AFC in general is just so competitive. If you win twelve games and you miss out, okay, tough luck. But I don't see it going that way. Right. That's not how things happen in Cleveland. If this thing's going to go south, it's going to go south in a hurry and it's going to go south hard. [00:37:54] Speaker B: We don't just kind of go south, we go full south. [00:37:58] Speaker C: If you have an opportunity to prevent that, I think they'll take it. [00:38:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And then so kind of in a related sense here the loss of Jaquim Grant you okay over there, budy? [00:38:10] Speaker C: Sorry, I was an itch on my ear and my headphones fell off. I'm a disaster. I'm hungry. [00:38:17] Speaker B: So with all these contract restructures you mentioned like win now moves, one that's popped up again with the loss of Jaqueem Grant for the season is Cordero Patterson. These rumors are heating up again. How likely are they to make this move? And I will say I want to hedge this a little bit with the fact that they did just trade for the Patriots running back Pierre Strong to, to bolster the running back room. But Cordero Patterson serves that dual role of like a special teams ace and a running back as far as depth goes. So I mean do you think there's a chance that's going to happen or what do you think there? [00:38:57] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll have the turkey sandwich. No, I don't put a lot of stock in the Cordero Patterson rumors. I think we'll see what Pierre Strong has. Obviously he's not a generational talent or he wouldn't have been let go, but we don't need a generational talent. We need somebody that can spell Nick if he gets tired or banged up in a game. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Supposed to be Wilkins. [00:39:18] Speaker C: But yeah, I mean he put the ball on the ground and looked bad in that last preseason game. But I think that was the general consensus was that Demetri Felton and John Kelly were kind of asked during the preseason and weren't going to be able to hold it together when Chubb wasn't on the field and they liked Wilkins, who has a decent resume to this point. But obviously when you can't successfully execute the running back quarterback exchange over for you, that's a big problem. [00:39:47] Speaker B: That spells the end. [00:39:48] Speaker C: It's the whole problem. So you'll end up cut, which he was. But here's the thing, too. Anybody's guess what this offense is going to look like. I think Nick Chubb probably is going to be lucky to get twelve carries a game. Now, I know that he'll do absolutely the maximum, the optimum amount. [00:40:02] Speaker B: He'll average 100 yards a game on twelve carries. [00:40:04] Speaker C: He will because he's Nick Chubb. But if you get the ball, if you have twelve carries a game, is there a need for competence? Spell probably not a huge one. And at some point Jerome Ford will come back. So I think they probably will be between Pierre Strong and guys like Dimitri Felton probably get by until Jerome Ford comes back. I think Cordero is just one of those guys that because of his resume would require too much of that cap space and the return is just not that great. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Yeah, so that kind of wraps up the Browns preseason, though. I mean, that's pretty much everything that's happened so far. We'll talk about a little bit more next week when we come back here. Well, Kenny will be solo, but we'll talk about that later. But Kenny will talk about that next week and some more of the cuts that were made in order to get us down to that 53 number to start the season. But moving on, here the Cleveland Guardians. The guardians suck. They're 62 and 69. They're playing the Twins this week. The only chance to get back into the playoff race is sweep them and play lights out the rest of the season, which is not going to happen. The team's been bad, the trades have been bad. Noah Cindergard, who is like one of our only returns in the trades, got DFA'd this. So they were good. They're just not that good this year. But they are young and we do have a bright future as always with the way our farm system is and how they typically build the team. I mean, there are some things to look forward to, but on the downside, Terry Francona, everything kind of came out this week that it sounds like this is probably going to be his final year with the team. There's been a lot of hinting that he will retire after the season. This dude's a legend. He did more with less than any coach I've ever seen in any sport, ever. [00:41:51] Speaker C: I've been depressed about this for the last like three days because this is and you know that Jerry franco can't coach forever. [00:41:58] Speaker B: No, he's had health problems for several years in a row now, but he's. [00:42:02] Speaker C: Been the one component of Cleveland sport. And look, we got LeBron breastfeed. [00:42:06] Speaker B: He's just so funny. He loves the fans. He drives around on his moped. He, like, hangs out with the fans on East Forest. [00:42:10] Speaker C: He's been the one consistent force of good of enjoyment in Cleveland since he's got here, combined with competence on the field, because he always puts together, like you said, as good a team as he can with not a whole lot of resources. And this year is no different. I mean, there are a few games under 500. It's not going to be one of The Shining. [00:42:32] Speaker B: You look at their team on paper. [00:42:33] Speaker C: This year, it's ass, but the team is ass. I mean, there's guys out there, especially now, there's guys out there that you have no idea who they are, where they came from. You're like, well, where'd that guy? [00:42:42] Speaker B: Well, especially as we've gotten into the season and people have gotten hurt or people have gotten traded, like, whatever. [00:42:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:47] Speaker B: So some casual fan and you're completely lost when you go to a game. [00:42:50] Speaker C: It'S frustrating because there is a lot of young talent here that's good, especially if you're a guy like Jose Ramirez. It's got to be difficult to swallow that you're kind of wasting your time here. [00:43:00] Speaker B: Your pride took less money to stay here. [00:43:02] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think he's obviously a big Frankona guy, so I hate to see if Frank Kona leaves if he were to waive that no trade clause, but yeah, I just think it's just not our year. I mean, it could be worse because they could be going through a full rebuild and be 33 and 90 right now. [00:43:22] Speaker B: No. And I say that guardians suck. With all due respect. [00:43:26] Speaker C: With all due respect. It doesn't mean you could just say whatever you want. [00:43:29] Speaker B: No, but I just mean it's not like I hate the Guardians or anything. I love the Guardians, and we talked about it earlier in the season. The Guardians every once in a while do have that season where it's just not there. They don't typically have one of the best rosters in the ML be, but probably a little bit more than 50% of the time, they're going to make the playoffs every once in a while. They don't. And this is a year that they don't. And that's fine, and we're going to keep building, and probably next year they'll be back at the top of the Al Central. That's hot garbage. And maybe winning again and go to the playoffs. [00:43:58] Speaker C: Can you imagine how bad it feels, though, to be a player that gets traded to Cleveland? You're like, great, now I'm not getting paid for at least another three years. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's not fun. [00:44:06] Speaker C: These guys are making pennies on the dollar compared to their peer years. Look, here's the sad thing about Terry Francona and if he does end up retiring this year, is, can you imagine what Terry Francona would have been on a team with unlimited resources? [00:44:24] Speaker B: Like, if he would have stayed in Boston his entire I mean, and he did good. [00:44:27] Speaker C: Digs in, right? [00:44:28] Speaker B: So the problem there was their expectations were too high. He kept winning, but he still wasn't winning enough. [00:44:35] Speaker C: Well, Boston's the problem, so they're the worst. The problem with Boston is they get so wrapped into the Patriots and the expectation of we gotta win Super Bowl. [00:44:46] Speaker B: Of being good, starting to come back. [00:44:47] Speaker C: Down to you win a championship every year. It's just not the reality. But yeah. I mean, can you imagine a guy like Frank Cona with the talent he has and the mind that he has and just the love for the game that he has, with a team with resources? Probably he's going to go down as one of the greatest ever anyway, just because he's had a great career. But man, what could have yeah. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Moving on here, though, the Cleveland Cavaliers, nothing going on, so we'll pass them up. Did you have something for them? [00:45:17] Speaker C: Not so much Cleveland Cavs related. I don't even know if you have this in here, but the Bronnie News. [00:45:22] Speaker B: Oh, that would be non Cleveland News. But well, we'll kick off the non Cleveland News with a Bronnie James update. I guess it's kind of Cleveland because LeBron played for Cleveland once, and Cleveland. [00:45:35] Speaker C: Clinic did all his heart research and stuff. [00:45:39] Speaker B: That's fair. [00:45:40] Speaker C: It's like semi Cleveland. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Bronnie. James, update here. [00:45:47] Speaker C: So we talked about he went into full cardiac arrest a couple of weeks ago. And the last update we really had just was that he was doing better. [00:45:57] Speaker B: He was at home resting the weekend. [00:45:59] Speaker C: It came out that he had a congenital heart defect that looks like they're going to be able to do surgery on to correct in its entirety, which is good, which is just that's kind of what I said when it happened. [00:46:10] Speaker B: Was something nobody knows. [00:46:12] Speaker C: OD for a kid that has so many advantages in life and the trainers and the time that he has in a gym in his house and all this stuff, that he would have something go wrong with his heart like that unless it was a congenital birth effect. So it ended up that's what it was, and hopefully they'll be able to fix that. I don't know what a timeline looks like for recovery with that. I mean, granted, he's young and he's healthy and strong, so hopefully he can get back to being a great athlete sooner than later. But I don't this is this something that you kind of take stock of your kid's life at this point, and you go playing in the NBA maybe isn't all that important if you don't. [00:46:50] Speaker B: Want mean in the end, it's up to Brownie James, though. It's whatever he wants to do. [00:46:54] Speaker C: I guess, but I think that was positive news that they're going to be able to operate, they're going to be able to correct the issue and he should make a full recovery. [00:47:02] Speaker B: Yep, all good things. Next up here, Will Levis. Your boy, my dude signed a lifetime deal with Hellmans. [00:47:09] Speaker C: Is he even the starting quarterback? [00:47:11] Speaker B: No, he's not. He's really not. Ryan Tannehill's is the starting quarterback in Tennessee, but signed a lifetime deal with Hellman's and in the commercial to kind of announce things, put the Hellmans in his coffee and drank it. [00:47:23] Speaker C: I did hear that. [00:47:25] Speaker B: I can't stand Will Levis just for this. [00:47:28] Speaker C: He did hear that. He had exasperated about this whole thing. He's just like, I just wish I never said anything. He's like, that's what I'm known for. [00:47:34] Speaker B: Now, and it's not your mayonnaise coffee guy. [00:47:38] Speaker C: I never intended it to be that way. It was kind of like a funny and passing joke and then here I am. Now I'm Hellman's guy. [00:47:44] Speaker B: You shouldn't do disgusting things and then you won't be known for disgusting things. In other quarterback news, sam Darnold beats Trey Lance for QB two in San Francisco. Trey Lance gets moved to Dallas, and you have down here that Miami made out in this deal. So explain that to everybody. [00:47:59] Speaker C: Well they ended up with out of those picks they got because I think it was three picks that Miami for. [00:48:06] Speaker B: A guy that gets traded getting were. [00:48:08] Speaker C: Turned into Jalen Waddle, Tyree Kill, Bradley Chubb they traded one of the picks for and there might have been a fourth person even actually that they ended up with out of that. And at the end of the day, San Francisco sitting there with Sam Donald as a backup and Trey Lance being in Dallas. So, yeah, Miami made out in that deal for sure. But look, I don't know what the future is for Trey Lance. They asked Jerry Jones about what that signals to his team or his quarterback. And he said, I didn't really think about it, which is kind of like a classic Jerry Jones answer. I don't know, but it's kind of OD because you bring in a younger, faster, healthier prescot. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Not to mention you got Cooper Rush sitting on the bench and you got. [00:48:53] Speaker C: Cooper Rush out there. I'm a big Cooper Rush fan because his name kind of sounds like a band. [00:48:57] Speaker B: It's just an OD situation down there in Dallas. And it kind of speaks to are you confident in Dak? Are you confident in Cooper rush if Dak goes down? What is that saying about all the quarterback room that you have? [00:49:10] Speaker C: And I just think that the Dallas Cowboys are so. [00:49:15] Speaker B: They were finally good for like a year last year. [00:49:17] Speaker C: They got some good pieces there now because I guess, like, CD. Lamb is good and that, but, God, they're just so overrated and they're just such a dysfunctional mess. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Speaking of overrated, front office, speaking of overrated. I do have one more quarterback note. The city of schittsburg is completely off their rockers with all this Kenny Pickett talk right now. [00:49:34] Speaker C: Dude, have you heard this? These yinzers talking about this. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Oh, my God. They think he's the second coming. [00:49:38] Speaker C: They think he's the second coming. They think he's literally going him and his two gloves. Two gloves. They're going to win the AFC north. It's not going to be close. Look, I know that Mike Tomlin is there. I know. Just like Terry Francona, he fields a hell of a team every year. [00:49:53] Speaker B: And they're probably going to be about 500. [00:49:54] Speaker C: Probably will be 500. But god, man, I mean, if Kenny Pickett really is good, I'm going to punch myself in the face. You heard it here 1st 100 times. [00:50:04] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:50:05] Speaker C: 100 times. [00:50:08] Speaker B: Episode 36 at about the approximately to. [00:50:13] Speaker C: Be fair, I did say last year, I think Kenny Pickett is better than we think he is. But I don't think he's good. [00:50:19] Speaker B: We're at about the 50 minutes mark. 50 to 51 minutes. So mark that. Kenny said he will punch himself in the face 100 times if Kenny Pickett is good. [00:50:28] Speaker C: He's so ass. [00:50:31] Speaker B: His two gloves are so stupid, too. [00:50:34] Speaker C: And that team is just I don't know. I don't know. I hate pittsburgh. [00:50:38] Speaker B: Yeah, everybody does. [00:50:39] Speaker C: But he is ass. [00:50:40] Speaker B: Next up, josh Johnson finally signs with the Raiders. He got a similar deal to Sequan and Zeke. And what does this mean for Nick Chubb going forward? [00:50:47] Speaker C: Means he's going to get a one year deal for $8 million next year. [00:50:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's just something interesting to keep an eye on. Everybody likes to talk about how Nick Chubb is going to retire a Brown. Listen, I got news for you and it's going to feel bad. He's not, he's not going to retire a Cleveland Brown as much as I would love him to. Nick Chubb is the best football player you talked about. Anything. Schwartz being the worst football player. [00:51:06] Speaker C: Chubb's on the opposite paradigm, the best. [00:51:08] Speaker B: Football player I've seen in my lifetime. And I want him to stay with the Browns forever. But it's probably not going to happen. [00:51:14] Speaker D: Hey, fellas, can I interject here? [00:51:15] Speaker B: Yes. [00:51:15] Speaker D: Are you talking about Josh Jacobs? [00:51:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Thanks. [00:51:20] Speaker D: Copy that. [00:51:22] Speaker B: Yeah. This is why we have the bone man over there. [00:51:24] Speaker C: He's our keeping us honest. [00:51:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Josh. Josh Jacobs. There was a typo there. Yeah. You will blame it on autocorrect. [00:51:32] Speaker C: What I find interesting about these running back deals is that they both have neglected to be franchise tagged to take a deal that is essentially the same as the franchise tag. Yeah, I don't know what that means. I don't know if that's so that they can be franchise tagged again next year or what. I'm not sure what the thinking is here, but either way, the lack of importance that running backs have apparently become in the NFL is still. Just baffling to but yeah, I don't know. [00:52:04] Speaker B: And speaking of running backs, the whole situation is crazy. But speaking of running backs, Jonathan Taylor may be on the move as well. We will find that out tomorrow. It seems like everything is happening the day after we're recording this podcast. [00:52:16] Speaker C: And this is what I love about the Jonathan Taylor trade is Jonathan Taylor was given permission to seek a trade and what the Colts want in return is a first rounder. [00:52:25] Speaker B: But you're not going to give them first round money. [00:52:27] Speaker C: You can't say on one hand, we're not going to pay you like a top talent, but we trade you talent back. Yeah, we expected in return for a trade for you. What? [00:52:36] Speaker B: The craziest part is that's what Jonathan Taylor and his agent actually called them out for this. Like you're high before he was given permission to seek a trade. And now that he's given permission to seek a trade, they're doing exactly what him and his agent said they were going to do. So it's just wild. They're just basically saying, yeah, you're right. We are going to leverage that part of it. And the fact that you're a great player, but we're never going to pay you like a great player because we don't have to. [00:53:00] Speaker C: Disaster. [00:53:01] Speaker B: Yeah. So next up here again, more news that we will know for sure tomorrow and probably give another update on next week. But Anthony Kendall, our dude. Our dude. Baldwin Wallace Alum, who we had on the show earlier in the offseason here still standing with the Titans the day before final cuts. So we will find out if he makes the team regardless. [00:53:24] Speaker C: I mean, to make it to the end of the cuts as an undirected free agent coming out of a Division Three, division Three school, I mean, a hell of an effort kid. [00:53:32] Speaker B: Yeah. So what a story if he does make the team, and even if he doesn't, the fact that he made it to the final day of cuts either way, and I think that is phenomenal. [00:53:42] Speaker C: That probably gets you to the point where you're like, I can play in this league. I just find the right place. [00:53:46] Speaker B: Yep, exactly. So next up here, green Bay and New England had their game suspended due to an injury to Isaiah Bolden. And then the following week, the last week of preseason, miami and Jacksonville had their game suspended as well due to an injury to Daywood Davis. So it kind of begs the question, though, if an injury is gruesome enough, does it warrant ending the game or postponing the know, we kind of came off the DeMar Hamlin thing last year, right. And it kind of set a precedent. But I'm wondering, is this going to become kind of the norm if you see some of these injuries where guys are getting carded off and if that's going to bleed over into the regular season or if we're seeing an abundance of caution right now because it's the preseason. I'm interested to see how this plays mean. [00:54:38] Speaker C: I think there was a time in all of our lives where the NFL was going to do everything it could to protect the shield. And at that point, it meant protecting investment from advertisers, which meant the game must go on. I think the DeMar Hamlin injury last. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Year opened everyone's eyes, changed a lot. [00:54:57] Speaker C: Of people's minds on how these things should happen. And there wasn't a person watching that game at home in the stands. [00:55:04] Speaker B: I was like, man, I really want to see the rest of or on TV. [00:55:06] Speaker C: That was like, they probably should keep playing. So, look, I didn't see either of these injuries that happened during the preseason. But the fact that the NFL said, hey, look, it's the preseason, we're just not even going to finish the game, it seems to me that there is some kind of precedent set now that says, hey, player safety, is that important, that if something I mean, you go back to like the Alex Smith injury when his leg just basically was torn off his body. Will we see this more in the future where we're like, we're either going to just call the game as is the winners, the winners, losers, the loser, or we'll call it a tie or we'll postpone it until tomorrow. [00:55:48] Speaker B: A lot of questions there because it brings into, like, they're going to have to build this into the rules. Like, how do they determine something like that? What's the protocol if a game gets called due to injury? [00:55:58] Speaker C: But I think that the point is that these injuries are so if they're if they're gruesome enough, people don't want to see that as much as it was with the curiosity. And he almost wants to be like, yeah, show me that broken leg. People watch these games. The reality is people watch these games with their kids. This is a family game. The NFL has done a ton in stadiums to try and promote. [00:56:17] Speaker B: They're going more and more that direction too. [00:56:19] Speaker C: We don't want the loud, obnoxious, beer drinking fan. We want dad and four kids to come with mom to the just. I think that there's a very real possibility that we're going to see more and more of this because this game is bigger, faster, and stronger than it ever has been, which means things are going to continue to happen like that. I mean, again, Alex Smith, Ryan Shazir, when these things happen, these ones feel they feel different. [00:56:44] Speaker B: And we're not saying we're advocating for just postponing every game where somebody gets hurt. No, there's going to be you mentioned some of the names, ryan Shazier, Alex Smith, DeMar Hamlin. Those are clearly on another level, like. [00:56:58] Speaker C: Everybody watching that was like, wow. [00:57:00] Speaker B: And I remember the Ryan Shazier one. That's actually the one that sticks with me the most. I mean, DeMar hamlin was devastating. But Ryan Shazier sticks with me the most because I was glued to that game when it happened, and I was just you know, I think it hits a little bit closer to home just because he's an Ohio State guy and those types of things. We rooted for him for years before he made it to the NFL. I didn't want to watch the rest. [00:57:27] Speaker C: That kind of thing shouldn't happen to these. You know, we like football. We like that they tackle each other and they hit each other and they try to hurt each other, so to speak, but no one actually wants to see anybody get killed or maimed for the rest of their shoot. I mean, that kid's whole life took. [00:57:47] Speaker B: Him however many years just to be. [00:57:48] Speaker C: Able to walk again, ruined. And we watched it all happen in real time. So, yeah, I think there's very clearly going to be more and more discussions and more and more examples of, hey, is this worth it to continue? What the players union decides as far as what the rule should be and what Cadell decides is what the rule should be will be interesting, but I think it's a reality that we're going to have to live with now, because not that I'm advocating that they should have just kept playing those games. Look, life's more important than football, but it stuck out in the preseason that they went ahead and suspended those games. Given the proximity to the hamlin injury. [00:58:30] Speaker B: Yeah, probably the right thing to do. I think we'll see more of it going forward, but we'll see how that shakes out next up here in baseball. Otani likely going to have to give up pitching, shut down for the year after experiencing elbow soreness. Turns out he's got and you wrote in here an Uber Jimmy John, which I think translates in Kenny speak to he has a UCL injury and may require Tommy Johnson. [00:58:55] Speaker C: That's correct. [00:58:57] Speaker B: So an uber jimmy john for otani there. But that's too bad because it really is an awesome thing to watch him, especially at the pro level, be able to just dominate literally every facet of the game. [00:59:09] Speaker C: Who is the last guy? I mean, Babe Ruth. [00:59:11] Speaker B: Babe Ruth. Otani's doing it. He's far more dominant than Babe Ruth was. [00:59:17] Speaker C: And Babe Ruth had the same problem. Eventually, he couldn't pitch. Mean, eventually he said to hit the ball. [00:59:21] Speaker B: Eventually he just hit dingers. [00:59:23] Speaker C: I think that's probably next on Shohei's list because Tommy John, jimmy John never. Good. And yeah, I mean, this guy's just been such a star. And what's unfortunate is the MLB is just such shit at marketing their players. If you are plugged into the sports world, there's so many people that have missed what Shohei Otani has done in the last couple of seasons that, god, it's so impressive. [00:59:48] Speaker B: I feel like I do watch a. [00:59:49] Speaker C: Lot of sports and they still don't see it. [00:59:51] Speaker B: We're in Cleveland and we don't hear very much about him. [00:59:54] Speaker C: Right. [00:59:55] Speaker B: But, like, at least not as much about him as I should, knowing he's like, the best player the MLB has. [01:00:01] Speaker C: Johnny Manzana snickers commercial. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Like, seriously. But yeah. So uber jimmy John for showhiyu atani feels bad. Yeah. Next up, a pair of unfortunate deaths in the celebrity world that we're going to announce here. [01:00:19] Speaker C: Awesome. [01:00:19] Speaker B: In case you haven't heard, former WWE champion Bray Wyatt, whose real name was Wyndham Rotunda, passed away at 36. One of the most creative minds in all of sports entertainment. Always put on a good show. So it turns out he already had some heart issues and then he got COVID earlier this year that really exacerbated some of those issues. And he ended up having a massive heart attack this past week that he did not survive. So I know that we're kind of both closet WWE fans. Not really closet. I mean, I'll tell anybody wrestling is pretty cool. [01:00:56] Speaker C: I don't watch as much as I do when I was a child. [01:00:58] Speaker B: No, I just don't have time to anymore. But wrestling is still pretty cool. [01:01:01] Speaker C: I would love to get how many nights is wrestling on a week now? Like seven every night of the week. You got WWE, you got Monday night raw. [01:01:12] Speaker B: AW is not WWE. But I get what you're saying. [01:01:14] Speaker C: Yeah. But you can watch wrestling like literally every night of the week now. Yeah. TNA is still out there somewhere, and you still got your local promotions. But anyway, this is devastating news. Bray Wyatt really was one of the few people left in WWE that conveyed a character so well, just crafted the best. When people think of the nostalgia of wrestling and the guys that they like and Jake the Snake and Undertaker and Mr. Perfect, they loved the characters. Million Dollar man, they loved the characters these guys played. And Bray Wyatt could play a he was he was creepy. He was crazy. He had a great entrance. He had some really interesting accomplices and some stables and tag teams. Just a joy to get the chance to watch because wrestling has become so watered down in recent years that these guys just don't exist anymore. So when one shows up now that really catches your eye like that. [01:02:24] Speaker B: It's so rare, especially because you talk about it being watered down. A lot of that has to do with the fact that they are PG now. Sure. And you can't have a real adult story a lot of the time. [01:02:35] Speaker C: And he was one of the guys. [01:02:36] Speaker B: That pushed that to push that envelope, but keep it PG and not do any of the kind of more obnoxious things, I would say that made wrestling so great back in the day. Instead, he was able to craft such a great story on such a creepy story that he was able to really push that. [01:02:55] Speaker C: He was one of the few guys really left too, that had great mic skills. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Anytime he got on the mic, you listened. It was not since probably CM Punk's break the Internet. [01:03:09] Speaker C: Pipe bomb. [01:03:10] Speaker B: His pipe bomb, yeah. Have I been glued to the TV listening to somebody on the mic in the W? [01:03:16] Speaker C: CM Punk has just went and totally ruined that for himself now with all his antics. But Bray Wyatt. Yeah. Just terrible, terrible news. Feel really bad about it. Huge loss for all of us and especially for the WWE. [01:03:29] Speaker B: Yeah. So thoughts and prayers with his family. [01:03:31] Speaker C: 36. [01:03:32] Speaker B: Man, he's definitely going to be missed. [01:03:34] Speaker C: That is young. [01:03:36] Speaker B: And then next up, I said we have two so legendary prices right. Host Bob Barker died this week. 99 years old. [01:03:44] Speaker C: That is old. [01:03:45] Speaker B: Dude had a fantastic run. And I got to say, this man got as close to a dollar as possible without going over. Absolute legend. [01:03:53] Speaker C: Sure did. Sure did. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Rip Bob Barker. [01:03:58] Speaker C: Yeah. I have fond memories of watching Prices right. Like, on a day that I stayed. [01:04:06] Speaker B: Home price is wrong, bitch. [01:04:08] Speaker C: On a day that I stayed home from school, either because it was like snow day or I was sick, somehow the Prices Right always ended up on. [01:04:16] Speaker B: It did, yeah, it's that way. [01:04:18] Speaker C: Classic show. And God, you got to think like Bob Burker did, that he hosted TV shows for, I think, like 50 years, not prices right for that long. But he hosted other shows. And can you imagine Bob Barker, like, in the 1960s with all of the women around? Like, that guy probably was such a. [01:04:43] Speaker B: Rip. [01:04:44] Speaker C: Bob Barker. [01:04:45] Speaker B: Yep. So you know what that takes us to? That's the end of the Burning River Rundown. [01:04:49] Speaker C: That's the end of the Burning River Rundown. Thank God. [01:04:52] Speaker B: And it takes us to the Burning River sports guest hot take hotline. But don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the Hot Take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. I want to hear why Cade York has sucked so bad. I want to hear a rant why Ronnie Hickman should still be on the team. I want to hear why you think the preseason matters at all. And I want to know why so many people actually believe the Earth is flat. [01:05:16] Speaker C: Because it is. [01:05:18] Speaker B: We want hot takes. [01:05:20] Speaker C: We want hot takes. We want hot takes. [01:05:23] Speaker B: We want hot takes. Yeah. 3302-2780-8033-0227-8080-3302-278 call now. Operators are not standing by. Just an answering machine. Just an answering machine. But you know what time it is. Let's take a quick revenue break and then get back here to preview the Brown season. Topath Distillery. Topath Distillery an award winning craft distillery located in Akron, Ohio, topath Distillery focuses on high quality spirits carefully made in small batches. 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[01:07:09] Speaker B: Oh, you're coming back at me, yoyo. Well, here's the deal. So earlier in the offseason here, I predicted we were going to be ten and seven, pushing for a wild card spot. The only reason I think we're ten and seven and not better is because the AFC North is just so damn good. I think we're actually a better than ten and seven team. I think we're much improved from last year. I think Deshaun Watson is going to look like the Deshaun Watson of old. I know that you're still skeptical, but I'm there. I think Deshaun Watson is going to have a big season, healthy skepticism, and it's fair. I'm not knocking you for it. I'm just saying that's where you're at. I'm over here. I think he's going to be back to the Deshaun Watson that threw for 4800 yards and however many touchdowns, and I think our offense is going to put up points this year. I think that as a fan base, we undervalue how much Marquise Goodwin is going to do for us as well. I think Cedric Tillman was a steal. I really like what I've seen from him so far. And I do understand it is mostly against backups, but I really like Cedric Tillman. And then that's just to go along with the weapons that we already all know about with offense. Well, we'll start the offensive line. The whole offensive line is fantastic, but then weapons, as far as athletes, you got, you know, you got who am I missing? [01:08:41] Speaker C: So your take is just naming names. Okay, thank you. [01:08:44] Speaker B: I said, why? I think they're going to be good. I hate my co host sometimes I just wish I could punch them right in the dick. [01:08:51] Speaker C: Look, here's the thing. That offensive line is very good. I think it'll be interesting to see if they can stay healthy. I think injuries have decimated that unit over the last couple of years. So I think that's number one to look for is how healthy does that offensive line stay all year long? I think the same thing, actually, about the receiving room because I think that together they make a pretty nice unit. I think that if one of those names falls out, if Amari Cooper gets dinged up for a few weeks, it could be tough to find that replacement of production. DPJ has looked good. Mean, we haven't seen a whole lot of DPG in the preseason. I think that he continues to get better and better every year. I also think his ceiling is a little limited. Not that I don't like DPG, I just don't think he's do. You think he's not the same caliber receiver that you would want in a starting number one. [01:09:39] Speaker B: You think we're building him up a little bit because we've had the last few years of Odell Beckham went south and all these receivers that have come through and not worked out well. [01:09:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Show me his 1000 yard season. Show me his 1000 yard season, which isn't a stretch in the NFL anymore. It's what, 60 yards a game? Can you catch for 60 yards a game? [01:09:56] Speaker B: It's really not. You have like two big games. [01:09:58] Speaker C: Justin Jefferson had like, 1900 yards last year. Show me your 1000 yard season. So that worries me a little bit, too. I'm not sure about Marquise Goodwin because I'm scared to death about this blood clot stuff. [01:10:12] Speaker B: I didn't even mention Elijah Moore. And Elijah Moore, I think, is going to be the leading receiver this year. [01:10:16] Speaker C: I do think Elijah Moore is an interesting piece that they've added that is going to be incredibly productive this year. Again, small body, small frame. I worry about his Durability when he's utilized heavily. So that's another thing I'm keeping an eye on. And then the other thing is just we've heard all offseason that this offense looks completely different. We've heard it from Deshaun, we've heard it from Stefanski, we've heard it from the defense. This offense looks nothing like any offense that Cleveland Browns have ever run. Which begs the question, what does this offense look like? So I'm a bit concerned that when the strength of your team is that offensive line and an all time generational talent at running back, we are just arbitrarily deciding we're going to let Deshaun Watson air it out 50 times a game and see what happens. So those are my concerns about the offense. That being said, I do think that they have the opportunity, the chance to be prolific, but I've got some serious concerns, like, do they stay healthy, all these guys? And is the strategy the right one? Because I think we've gotten used to the Kevin Stefanski three tight end sets and zone running game, which is worked at times and not worked at others. I think it's been exacerbated by bad calls and poor personnel decisions more than anything. But if you have a brand new offense, what does that look like and how long does that take to really get where you want it to be in terms of a production unit for the year? So those are my concerns. Can they be great. Maybe, but I definitely think that it's going to be harder than people think it is, this offense. [01:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah. What about you, bone man? I know. I don't want to leave you out of this discussion. I want your thoughts here. Do you got any hot takes on the offense this year? [01:12:08] Speaker D: Well, I was kind of thinking about this earlier. Just if the offense does start slow, as Kenny's kind of alluding to, I think our defense is going to keep us in games. And I know this is the offense take, but I was going to say. [01:12:21] Speaker B: That'S a hot take. Our defense is going to be so good our offense doesn't even have to play. But go on. [01:12:29] Speaker D: Well, that's not it. But yeah, if the offense is I'm kind of saying that I think maybe they do start slow and Deshaun Watson's throwing the ball down the field 100 times and hopefully that opens up a. [01:12:41] Speaker C: Lot of lanes for game. [01:12:43] Speaker B: Bone Man's going with 100 times a game, this is going to be regardless, this is going to be an exciting offense. [01:12:49] Speaker C: That would be an offense we've never seen before. [01:12:55] Speaker D: Dustin Hopkins is the truth. He's going to win us every game. [01:13:04] Speaker B: Bones offensive take was offense can start slow. Defense going to be the best and our special teams is going to be phenomenal. That's the offensive take. Wow, you ran the Gamut there. [01:13:16] Speaker C: The guy hasn't even signed a contract yet. He's going to leave the office. [01:13:21] Speaker B: No, I love it, though. So you sound regardless of how you think the offense is going to start, it sounds like you're confident, though. You think we're going to have a pretty solid team. [01:13:32] Speaker D: Yeah, on paper, of course. But I'm also a very optimistic Browns fan. [01:13:41] Speaker B: We got the whole spectrum here. Kenny is a very pessimistic Browns fan. He always picks us to lose. I'm somewhere in the middle. I like to think we got Bone Man over there who just thinks we're going to win every game. [01:13:52] Speaker C: It's not even that I'm pessimistic. It's that if you have a glass and it's half full of water and you say the glass is half full and Zach says the glass is half empty, I'd say there's water in the glass. You can't dispute that. That's all I am. [01:14:02] Speaker B: I bet I could dispute that because what if I'm drinking coffee? What if it's vodka? Vodka is also clear. [01:14:07] Speaker C: Okay, well, I would also just call it what it is. That's what I'm saying. You're missing the whole point of the metaphor. [01:14:11] Speaker B: Well, I just hate you. So that was the offensive take. We'll move on to defense here. I'm kind of with you, bone man. I like the defense. I like the additions that we've made. I even like some of the subtractions we've made. As far as clowny, I was at the point where I didn't really care about clowny anymore. He had a lot of hype and he did disrupt the backfield while he was here, but he couldn't stay healthy last year. It seemed like it run its course. So I was glad they got rid of defense. I think that we've got a lot of depth now where we didn't before. [01:14:48] Speaker C: Speaking of Clowning, he went and signed with the Ravens. [01:14:50] Speaker B: What an so we got we got Beckham and Clowney over there with the Ravens. [01:14:55] Speaker C: Yeah, my mind's not working quick enough. What do they call it in the. [01:15:09] Speaker D: Evil empire? [01:15:12] Speaker B: Man, I don't know where you were going. Bone got me. Bone got me. But yeah, I just think that the defense is much improved. I mean, how can you not be? We were calling for Joe Woods to be fired after like week two last year and he took him until like the end of the season. This it was I think the defense is much improved. We've got a lot of depth pretty much across the board, except linebacker. We have no linebackers. So I think the defense to your point, Bone, man, I think they'll keep us in these games. [01:15:44] Speaker D: I think it'll be a big year for the defensive backs. D line is stout, put a lot of pressure on the QB and hopefully force some turnovers. [01:15:51] Speaker B: I hope Denzel Ward can stand the field because a lot of people I saw were just tearing him up. [01:15:56] Speaker C: Well, he's already off the field. [01:15:57] Speaker B: Well, that's what I'm saying. A lot of people were tearing him up after the concussion this past week. People are so heartless. They're just all calling him hospital ward. And I'm like, guys, wow, that's a person out there. He has a concussion. Yeah, that's the nickname running around the socials this week is Hospital. They say he can't stay on the field and we need to get rid of him. That's the overwhelming majority of the comments that I saw this week. [01:16:24] Speaker C: I love Denzel, but I'm actually not opposed to that if you can get Greg Good capital back. That being said, he's a great defensive back and hopefully he can get on the field. Look, I think that the defense is the strength of this team, but like I said earlier, I just think it's going to take a while for them to gel. So I just hope the fans don't get discouraged early on when they are. [01:16:47] Speaker B: Start calling for Jim Schwartz getting fired. [01:16:49] Speaker C: When they are working towards getting better and gelling as a unit. And then at some point probably all these linebackers are going to get hurt and they're going to have to rotate them in with some newer, younger guys that probably just got cut today and they'll be learning the defense all over again. So at some point there's going to be hard times for this defense and hopefully Jim shorts and his gym shorts can keep them together just like a good old Dusty Rhodes monologue. [01:17:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And I do say that the Browns fans will be calling for his job in week two. And just because the calls for Joe Woods'job were absolutely warranted, I couldn't oh, my gosh. That was the worst defense I've ever seen. [01:17:31] Speaker C: Yeah, it was mean. Here's the thing. The team was so bad last year on defense that they don't have anywhere else to go. So even if this team doesn't meet expectations this year, they can't possibly look worse than they did last year. [01:17:44] Speaker B: Don't say that. [01:17:45] Speaker C: It would be last year was like if Andrew Sandeo played every position on that's. [01:17:51] Speaker D: Do you guys remember when the free safety would just disappear at the top of the screen? [01:17:55] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. That was the best. Good times. [01:17:57] Speaker C: That was your bro peppers. He was in Lake Erie. Who was the defensive coordinator then? Who was it? That Ray Horton. [01:18:04] Speaker B: Horton. [01:18:04] Speaker C: Yeah. What a great defense. Ten against eleven. [01:18:07] Speaker B: Good times. Good times. What's your strategy? Let's play this. Free safety, 27 yards back. All right, well, that should work out. Bold strategy. Let's see if it works out for him. Cotton. No, but that takes us finally to the special teams here. And this is actually the part that I'm most concerned about, and I think just about everybody in Cleveland is even besides Cade York, who looked terrible and is now off the team, the entire special teams unit has looked mediocre at best. [01:18:35] Speaker C: Besides Bajoraquez? [01:18:37] Speaker B: Besides Jorquiz. He's got a cannon for a leg, and he boots the ball inside the 20 almost every time. [01:18:42] Speaker C: He's the best punter. [01:18:44] Speaker B: But, yeah, I'm really concerned. We mentioned it earlier in the show. Buba Ventrone was brought in and supposed to be this great up and coming special teams coordinator. And so far, what do we know? He took Cade York and made him worse. [01:19:01] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, if the state of today's special teams unit is any kind of reflection of what your leadership is in that room, that place is on fire right now. I mean, this is the biggest by and large, the offseason outside of period winfrey getting self crazy was pretty quiet. I mean, there was a lot of positive that was about the Browns, a lot of positives about what happened out of the Greenbriar Caps camp seemed to go well. The draft exceeded people's expectations based on the players they were to get with tillman and that so there's been a lot of good a lot of positive. [01:19:33] Speaker B: Even with the injury issues. Not a lot of injuries. Yeah. [01:19:35] Speaker C: I mean, people have been relatively healthy throughout camp and all these things. The one really negative is the fact that you just blew up a whole position. I mean, there's 32 of those guys that play in the NFL. There's a lot of defensive tackles in the NFL. There's a lot of wide receivers in the bell. There's 32 kickers in the NFL. And we just literally lit one on fire. We were like burning river. So that scares the. Hell out of me. [01:20:02] Speaker B: So I think this is maybe Kid York heard my rant and I put too much pressure on him. [01:20:07] Speaker C: This is the unit to watch right now because I think that this unit could get burned for a couple of touchdowns early on in the season on punt returns or kick returns, and we could be having a whole different discussion about the skill position players inside of this group. So hopefully Dustin Hopkins, the white D Hop, can come in and kind of stabilize things for us. [01:20:29] Speaker B: I talked about some things that people were saying on the Socials this week. [01:20:33] Speaker C: Right. [01:20:33] Speaker B: That's another one is I saw multiple people saying I preferred prefer. [01:20:38] Speaker C: I definitely don't prefer prefer. I mean, that dude was absolute ass trash. [01:20:42] Speaker B: I never prefer prefer to anybody because he's what you call him? Ass trash. [01:20:48] Speaker C: Absolute ass trash. [01:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he's that. [01:20:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, probably one of the worst coaches ever made. He is to coaching what Anthony Schwartz is to playing football. Both of them should just dig a hole and not stop digging. So that's how I feel about that. [01:21:03] Speaker B: All right. [01:21:04] Speaker C: But no, seriously, I have real concern about Bubba Ventron at this point because I think that is a dereliction of leadership. That that room fell apart to the point where Cade York, who a year ago was a fourth round draft pick. [01:21:18] Speaker B: Can'T and after his first game was. [01:21:19] Speaker C: A hero, can't kick a field goal. [01:21:21] Speaker B: Like, we damn near carried him off the field last. [01:21:25] Speaker C: Look, I just that worries me. So very concerned about that. [01:21:30] Speaker B: Bone, thoughts? [01:21:32] Speaker D: Well, as far as the kicking room goes, I was thinking I feel like Kate all last year was missing kicks, whether it was extra points or know, misses in the fourth quarter. So you look at the locker room and you have to build confidence in your team. I think they had to make a move, whether that was Bubba Ventrone's poor coaching this year or prefer last year. But you got an entire squad looking at you to make kicks, and he wasn't doing it. [01:22:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, when your only job is to make kicks and you don't make kicks, that's a and to Kenny's point earlier in the show, and it's not just Browns fans. It's just the world we live in now. Instant gratification is a thing, and everything needs to be perfect all the time, or else it's a problem. You don't want to be a part of the problem. [01:22:19] Speaker C: You want to be the whole problem. [01:22:20] Speaker B: And Kate York was the whole problem. So he's cut. [01:22:22] Speaker C: But, I mean, think about this. There was a time in this sport where people kicked the ball without a shoe on. [01:22:27] Speaker B: I was just looking at those stories. Whatever happened to those guys? [01:22:31] Speaker C: Like, you tell me the Cade York wasn't more accurate than some of those guys in the wintertime with their toe. [01:22:37] Speaker B: Bring out the square on those guys. And like, how big their feet swelled up because they were just kicking football. [01:22:43] Speaker C: Concrete balls because it was 30 degrees outside. [01:22:46] Speaker B: What a bunch of freaking weirdos. [01:22:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:22:50] Speaker B: Did they forget that we invented shoes? [01:22:53] Speaker C: Apparently. I don't know. [01:22:55] Speaker B: I digress. Anyways, let's revisit our record before we do that. [01:22:59] Speaker C: I just wanted to you have the three phases of the game in here. I do want to throw a fourth bullet coaching, which is coaching. [01:23:06] Speaker B: Oh, I am not confident in coaching because we still have Stefanski, and we kind of went through the same offseason that we went through last year where everything was on fire the year before. Right. There was a lot of craziness going on. And he comes in and we're going to fix everything. We're going to get it going, everything's going to be great. What happened last year? [01:23:34] Speaker C: We were ash trash. [01:23:36] Speaker B: We were ash trash. Baker Mayfield was god awful. The whole team was God awful. The defense was awful, the special teams were awful. And the entire season, all we got was Kevin Stefanski saying how we're going to get it figured out, we're going. [01:23:50] Speaker C: To get it figured out. [01:23:51] Speaker B: And we never did. [01:23:52] Speaker C: That's on me. [01:23:53] Speaker B: And so many things have been on Kevin Stefanski by now. I can't even believe that we could see his eyes anymore. Because dude but seriously, though, I'm very concerned about Kevin Stefanski. I would say at this point, we're literally to the point where there's no excuses. I mean, if you can't win at this juncture, you need to be gone. [01:24:17] Speaker C: Can I tell you, that's what scares me the most? If this team does go five and twelve this year, what do you do? [01:24:26] Speaker B: Start over? [01:24:29] Speaker C: What's the right way to build it again? [01:24:31] Speaker B: I don't know, man. I don't want to think about five. [01:24:34] Speaker C: And twelve out of ideas. [01:24:36] Speaker B: If we go five and twelve, we literally can't win here. [01:24:39] Speaker C: We let Hugh Jackson coach you for three years. We've tried everything. Yeah, but to your point, I think if there hasn't been a notice in Kevin Stefanski's mailbox every week of the offseason, this is like, hey, Kevin, remember, this is the year. Oh. [01:24:58] Speaker B: And if anybody's denying that, this is the year where it's like, put up or shut up for Kevin Stefanski, because I know there's still the people out there that think like, no, he's the Long. We're going to continue with Kevin Stefanski no matter. Like, do you think that's why they brought in Buba Ventron? Do you think that's why they brought in Jim Schwartz? Do you think that's why they made all these moves, was just so that they could say, yeah, we're going to keep kicking the can down the road with Stefanski? No. [01:25:23] Speaker C: No. At some point, you have to go from handsome to competent, and this has to be his year. [01:25:33] Speaker B: We did ask last year, is he too handsome to fire? [01:25:35] Speaker C: Here's my thing. Bengals, Steelers, Titans, Baltimore in the first four weeks. Kevin Stefanski could be a free agent after four weeks because that's when the buy comes. That's just a brutal way. Regardless of who your coach, bill Parcels. [01:25:54] Speaker B: Could be your coach. I mean, if they start four, I would not be surprised. One and three wasn't here. [01:25:59] Speaker C: If you lose all three of those division games, that's a rough and you start one in three and you just look listless. [01:26:07] Speaker B: Bone, what do you think it would take for Kevin Stefanski to be out? [01:26:11] Speaker D: I think it would have to be Owen four. [01:26:13] Speaker B: I think Owen four is the only way. As much as I say it's put up or shut up time for Kevin Stefanski. I think Owen four is the only way that midseason he would be fired. [01:26:23] Speaker D: Did you say three of the top four are division games? [01:26:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:25] Speaker C: Bengals, Steelers, Titans. [01:26:28] Speaker D: One of those wins, it has to be a division division win. [01:26:31] Speaker C: But your buy is after that, too. So if you start one in three and people start looking around locker room pointing fingers, yeah, I don't see how he survives that. So, look, I don't want to be like I feel like I am all of a sudden Debbie Downer on this whole podcast, but you always are. I love the browns. The Browns are like, my favorite thing in the world. You could have fooled me. If I had to rake my wife and the Browns and my kids and my favorite food, I would have a hard time placing those. But that's why it's so damn frustrating to watch. [01:27:05] Speaker B: I wonder if Christine is listening to this podcast and she's like, dang, he just talked for an entire hour and a half about how the Browns just let him down and piss him off, and he's telling me that he has trouble ranking me when it comes to me and the Browns. [01:27:20] Speaker C: All right, okay. I'm kidding. Ingest, sure. But seriously, that's why it's so damn frustrating, because you do care so much about the team, and it's kind of stupid. Like, why do we care so much about a football team? But I do. And I want nothing more than this Browns team to be good. I want Kevin Stefanski to take this team to the playoffs. I want coach of the year Kevin Stefanski that we had during COVID to show up, keep this crew together and get players playing and moving the right direction because I want them to be twelve and five and make the playoffs and to win the damn division. I just have so little faith in it at this point. [01:27:53] Speaker B: Fair. And now that we've talked long enough for Kenny to put himself squarely in the doghouse, let's revisit the record predictions real quick that we made earlier in the offseason. Kenny, you had us at six and eleven and I had us at ten and seven. Bone, you weren't with us at that point yet we had our former. [01:28:17] Speaker C: He's no longer with us. [01:28:18] Speaker B: Well, he didn't die. He's just no longer with the show. But we had the big seal on the board at that point and now that Bone's in here. Bone, what is your record prediction for the Browns this year? [01:28:30] Speaker D: All right, as I said, I'm the most optimistic Browns fan, sometimes unrealistic nice. [01:28:36] Speaker B: I like where this is going. [01:28:38] Speaker D: I think we have to go to eleven and 611 and six. The AFC is just stacked. I think there's going to be tiebreakers. I don't see us winning the division but we're going to be in a wild card and I think we're going to need eleven wins to do it. [01:28:50] Speaker C: When you say you don't see us winning the division, though, and you know that we paid $230,000,000 in guaranteed money to Deshaun Watson, doesn't that like no. [01:29:00] Speaker D: Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson continue to scare me. [01:29:02] Speaker B: Lamar Jackson just got paid. Joe Burrow is going to get paid. By the time Joe Burrow gets paid, Deshaun Watson is not even going to be in like the top ten for quarterback contracts anymore. [01:29:13] Speaker D: Although I'll say this, I think we will beat Cincinnati probably twice for some reason or another, we beat Cincinnati every year and yet they go on to beat every team we lose to. [01:29:23] Speaker C: Remember that was the Baker years. Baker had their number. [01:29:26] Speaker D: Yeah, he did. [01:29:28] Speaker B: Hey, I'm predicting them to win week one. Spoiler alert. But anyways, so you were seven and six and eleven. Six and eleven. I was ten and seven. Bone Man's going eleven and six. Bone, yours is in stone. Since this is your first prediction, Kenny, since with everything that happened in the preseason, everything leading up to the season, do you want to amend yours at all, one last chance before the season starts? [01:29:53] Speaker C: I do. I like a lot of the young talent that I saw on this roster. I think on the practice squad there's going to be guys that are going to get the call up this year due to injury or otherwise and I think that's worth at least one more win. Seven and ten. [01:30:10] Speaker B: I thought we were going to get real optimistic here but we did not. I'm staying where I'm at. I'm staying at ten and seven. While I did, like a lot of the things that I saw, I am with the Bone man over there in the graveyard when he says that the AFC is pretty stacked. So that's the only reason I don't give us any more wins is that didn't change. Still pretty stacked. So I see us at ten and seven but I do see us getting a wild card because I think the whole AFC is going to beat each other up and I see us getting a wild card at ten and seven. So that's kind of where we're at. [01:30:44] Speaker C: Here's the thing, even if the AFC is really good, then that means there has to be some cannibalism in the AFC. Not every team in the AFC can win twelve games. [01:30:51] Speaker B: Yeah, some teams that a lot of people are banking on to win like twelve games, 13 games, that's not happening because everybody's going to be too good. So I see us getting in at ten and seven. Zach sees us. The Bone Man sees us in wild card. Wild card at eleven and six. I got wild card at ten and seven. And Kenny's got us squarely out of the playoffs by far at seven and ten. [01:31:15] Speaker C: But Kevin Stefanski will be fishing. [01:31:18] Speaker B: Well, there you go. So any final thoughts on the season here? I'm just ready to fucking go this offseason. [01:31:27] Speaker C: Seems like it's dragged so long and I'm so excited for football to be back. It just these next two weeks are. [01:31:37] Speaker D: Going to take forever. They are waiting for game one. [01:31:40] Speaker B: They are. Good thing me and me and the Bone Man are both going on vacation. Not together, separately. That'd be weird if I went with him on his anniversary trip. [01:31:51] Speaker C: It'd be weird. [01:31:52] Speaker B: Yeah. But yeah. So you know what? That takes us to the hot take hotline. It does take us to the hot. Take hotline. Don't forget to call. I'm not even waiting for the sound. You just play the sounder over me. All right. Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the Hot Take Hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. We want hot takes. [01:32:14] Speaker C: Hot takes. [01:32:15] Speaker B: 3302-2780-8033-0227-8080-3302-278 be sure to check out our gear www.thetapinmedia.com shop all right, so what can we expect next week? [01:32:44] Speaker C: Next week we are officially back to every Thursday, and I couldn't be more excited about just being back to weekly. Hell yes. This is going to be fun. Ride. Win or lose, hell or high water, the Hell Ride begins next week as we get the show underway all the way through Brown season, the playoffs, and the Super Bowl. [01:33:07] Speaker B: Well, next week you will anyways, well. [01:33:09] Speaker C: Next week I will anyway because my entire crew is leaving me solo to. [01:33:14] Speaker B: He'S the one man bam, baby, to. [01:33:16] Speaker C: Literally open the season for you guys. So we will be previewing the week one matchup of the Cincinnati Bengals interviewing a local Browns backers chapter. The Black Forest Browns Barkers. [01:33:30] Speaker B: Hell yes. [01:33:31] Speaker C: Or Browns Barkers backers. Browns. [01:33:34] Speaker B: It's Browns Barkers. [01:33:34] Speaker C: Browns Barkers. [01:33:35] Speaker B: The Black Forest Browns Barkers. [01:33:37] Speaker C: And we have a very special interview that I'm not even going to tell you who's going to be with because it's going to be super dope and maybe we'll tease it later in the week. Also have any Cavs or guardians news, which we won't because they blow. And this is a Brown Spot guest, so it's going to be my show, basically. We might even talk a little politics next week. Who knows what we might get into? [01:33:58] Speaker B: If Kenny is your least favorite part of the show, then you could don't watch. You can skip that one. You can skip it. But yeah. So don't forget to check us out on social media. Tapin'media is on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at the Tapin'media. And burning river sportscast. That's this podcast is on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube at Burning River Sportscast and on X at Burning River. Pod. [01:34:19] Speaker C: Pod. [01:34:19] Speaker B: And you can find our podcast wherever we get your podcast. I'm talking Apple Podcasts, spotify google Podcasts, amazon Music, stitcher pandora Heart Radio podcast, castro Good Pods and so many more. [01:34:28] Speaker C: Do you know what that takes us to, Kenny? Facts. Four days. I might even just bring a co host next week that you guys don't even know about. Surprise. [01:34:43] Speaker B: Guest guest host. [01:34:45] Speaker C: Number one. When you think about the largest organisms in the world, you might picture whales, whales, giants, trees. [01:34:57] Speaker B: What was that? [01:34:58] Speaker D: Fungus. [01:34:58] Speaker B: Fungus. That's definitely what I picture. [01:35:02] Speaker C: Well, Zach Bone, man, you are right. The largest single living organism based on area is a specimen of seagrass. It's a fungi. [01:35:13] Speaker B: For reference, this is why we can't have Bone on the show. He knows everything. [01:35:17] Speaker C: Sorry about that, Kenny. For reference, this thing is the equivalent of 28,000 soccer fields. [01:35:25] Speaker B: Wait. [01:35:25] Speaker C: And if that wasn't as impressive enough, this is estimated to be approximately 4500 years old. Just keeps growing out there. Huge. [01:35:36] Speaker B: What? [01:35:38] Speaker C: Number two, humans have been performing dentistry since 7000 BC, which makes dentists one of the oldest professions in the book. [01:35:48] Speaker B: I feel like that could not have been good. Dentistry. [01:35:51] Speaker C: Tooth hurts. [01:35:51] Speaker B: Let's take it out. [01:35:53] Speaker C: I was actually reading the fact for a day, but here's a bonus fact. I guess I was reading that Roman surgeons actually were just you do a lot of training in medical school. The Roman surgeons, a part of their training was just to ignore the screams of humans. [01:36:08] Speaker B: That's how good of a time it was when the Romans were around. [01:36:11] Speaker C: They could get through their work. Number three, this is an important one. I think that we should this is this doesn't get enough credit as an important fact, but this is an important fact because not all of you, but most of you, and some of you at some point in your life will have to do some kind of sobriety checkpoint and test. Humans cannot walk in a straight line without a visual point. So when blindfolded, no matter how long we walk, we will gradually, eventually walk in a circle. [01:36:44] Speaker B: Why? Why do we do that? [01:36:46] Speaker C: We can't see. [01:36:48] Speaker B: That's the only reason. We have no internal like, we gotta. [01:36:53] Speaker C: That'S why we evolved optical acuity so that we could walk places. [01:36:57] Speaker B: Fair. I knew my eyes were is that. [01:36:59] Speaker D: What, like, blind people get? [01:37:01] Speaker C: Well, they have the sticks for their stuff where they have guide dogs. My dog would be the worst guide dog. [01:37:08] Speaker B: She's been running around this studio just tearing shit up during the show. [01:37:13] Speaker C: Final bonus fact. Second bonus fact for the day. I just read a story this week and just thought this was fun. You can now get a headstone with an actual QR code. These are called living headstones and they will show pages of photos, video, biographies and comments from loved ones downloaded straight off your headstone. [01:37:35] Speaker B: What happens when your worst enemy gets down there? It's just like this guy was a complete fuck. [01:37:39] Speaker C: That would make for some interesting content. That's what I'm going to leave on your headstone. [01:37:43] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:37:43] Speaker C: I'm just going to put my own QR sticker on it. [01:37:47] Speaker B: This guy was an asshole. Let's be real here. You're not outliving me, guys. [01:37:52] Speaker C: Here's the thing. Thank you. Wait till I get gas or bypass. Here's the thing. Brown season is here. [01:38:03] Speaker B: It's here. [01:38:05] Speaker C: It's time for the burning rivers boards. Gas. It's time for brown season, baby. [01:38:09] Speaker B: Let's go. [01:38:10] Speaker C: Let's go. [01:38:11] Speaker B: Hell yes. [01:38:12] Speaker C: And wherever you go, don't just be a part of the problem, be the whole damn problem. [01:38:16] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires. Burning river sports gas. Burning river. River. [01:38:26] Speaker C: That was a good one, guys. That was well done. We didn't even rehearse that. That was pretty good. [01:38:33] Speaker B: Bone man came in there. Motorboat. [01:38:36] Speaker C: Motorboat, you. I'm so turned up for football season. [01:38:43] Speaker B: Let's go. Let's go. [01:38:48] Speaker C: Now you've all lost your eardrums. Good night and goodbye. Brown's fan cruise and the burning river sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of? Motorboat. [01:39:00] Speaker B: You play the motorboat. You motorboat son of a bitch. You old sailor, you. My nipples were instantly hard. It rubs the lotion on its skin. [01:39:10] Speaker C: Or else it gets the hose again. Welcome into the burning river sportscast. Presented by tapping media. And I forgot to let's start that over. [01:39:19] Speaker B: It doesn't matter what you think. [01:39:22] Speaker C: It's not even that I'm pessimistic. It's that if you have a glass and it's half full of water and you say the glass is half full and Zach says the glass is half empty, I'd say there's water in the glass. What an idiot. What a loser. [01:39:39] Speaker B: People are so heartless, like they're just all calling him hospital ward. And I'm like, guys, wow, that's a person out there. He has a concussion. Yeah. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts, but damn. [01:39:53] Speaker C: You know why, Mr? Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight. I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name. Ralph, I don't know where you're getting your statistics. Where's logo girl when you need her? I desperately want to make love to a schoolboy. Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson. [01:40:17] Speaker B: Finger banger salad. 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