Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Type in media.
The Burning River Sportscast summer is officially here, which means we're now just a few short weeks away from the start of training camp and preseason. In fact, our Browns will be starting camp a little early this year as they prepare for an historic hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio, where they will see one of their own enshrined for eternity. While Joe Thomas has been busy getting fit and tailored, the Burning River Sportscast has been hard at work. And we are pleased to finally bring to you some absolutely huge news. And you can only find it here, where we break it all down for you, next on The Burning River Sportscast.
[00:01:07] Speaker B: Kenny's really getting me today.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, Zuckerberg's not that old and Elon's not, like, in the greatest shape. Like, he's kind of built like a soda can.
He's not, like, fat, but he's not, like, in great shape.
[00:01:20] Speaker C: Guys, let me tell you, this is basically the biggest thing since Vince McMahon bought WCW.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Obviously, like, if everyone would just listen to me, every problem in the world would be solved. But.
[00:01:33] Speaker B: Kenny, Kenny, if John Goodman can.
[00:01:37] Speaker A: Do it, you can do it.
The entire world's population can fit inside of an apple. Holy hell. A male giraffe will continuously headbutt a female giraffe in the bladder until she urinates.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: I knew this one.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: The males then taste the urine I.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: Didn'T know that part.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Which helps determine whether the female is ovulating and whether or not they want to smash.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: What?
[00:02:01] Speaker A: Welcome in to the Burning River Sportscast. From the Tap In Media Center for Broadcast and Podcast Excellence, I'm Kenny Thunder. Seated beside the busiest man in show business and part time White House correspondent my rock, my hard place, red hot Ronnie Jams. Ronnie, where can our crew find the only Browns pod with a bloodline that can be traced back beyond Charlamagne?
[00:02:24] Speaker B: You can find our podcasts wherever you get your podcasts. I'm talking Apple Podcasts, spotify Stitcher, google Podcasts, amazon Music, Pandora, iHeartRadio Pocketcast Castro good pods and so many more So many, so many more. And while we're at it, go ahead and check out our merch. You can find that at WW Thetapinmedia.com Backslash shop. We've dropped our Chubb line recently. There was a post about that a few weeks back. We also just dropped some shoes, and we're going to continue to add products to that as time goes on. We're going to have an official store line grand opening for our online store here soon. So keep an eye out for that because you're going to want to be a part of it.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. Fun things on the horizon. And speaking of fun things, hell yes.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: Wait, what are we going to tell them?
[00:03:18] Speaker A: I think it's time to tell them.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: It's time to tell you. All right, so that'll lead us to the Burning River Sports Cast special announcement.
All right, so this is big, guys. We got something to tell you. Massive, massive news here. We are officially the Burning River Sports Cast. Presented by Tapin Media And now brought to you by the Cleveland Browns Fan Cruise. That's right. That's right. Brought to you by the Fan Cruise.
[00:03:55] Speaker A: Betty, what does it all?
[00:03:57] Speaker B: You know, we're really excited about this opportunity. It means a lot. There's a lot to unpack here. So actually to help us do it, I'm going to go ahead and welcome the Master of Disaster himself, representing the Cleveland Browns Fan Cruise, Nick Bolinchek. Nick, how are you guys?
[00:04:14] Speaker C: Let me tell you, this is basically the biggest thing since Vince McMahon bought WCW.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: Holy hell.
[00:04:23] Speaker C: We're in rare air, rare form. We're raring to go. The Browns fan cruise and the Burning River sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of?
[00:04:32] Speaker A: I can't think of one.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Can't think of a single one.
Yeah. So we're happy to have you. We're really excited, like I said, about the opportunity.
How are things going on in your end right now? You guys getting a lot of positive reactions to the announcement of the Fan Cruise?
[00:04:45] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's one of those things that just kind of came out of nowhere. I don't think Browns fans necessarily expected it.
So far, so good. The Browns community, as we all know, I mean, I'm from Northeast Ohio as well, so, you know, this area is hardworking, gritty area. Very supportive of the Cleveland Browns, always really have been in the 39 years of my existence, and I know well before that. So we've seen a lot of a positive movement so far. And we're really looking forward to what the next several months and really several years of doing this will bring.
And listen, I don't want to bury the lead here, but how cool is it going to be after the Cleveland Browns secure the bag and win the Super Bowl this year, that you jump.
[00:05:40] Speaker A: Right on a cruise ship and everybody gets celebrate.
[00:05:44] Speaker C: Everybody gets to celebrate on the open ocean. It's going to be one of the most epic situations that has gone down in the entire history of humankind hell.
[00:05:54] Speaker B: Yes. I like the way you think, Nick.
[00:05:56] Speaker A: Who needs a parade when you have a cruise, right?
[00:05:59] Speaker B: No, you mentioned something in there that I want to touch on and it was the Browns fans showing up. I mean, we're not number one in attendance for no reason. The most well attended fan base or team in the league just came out this past week that we're at like 99.2% on our game.
I could see the Cleveland Browns fans showing up, but can you describe kind of for our fans here, what your role is with the Cleveland Browns Fan Cruise and kind of what this project entails and what the fans can expect?
[00:06:32] Speaker C: A little mean. Clearly I'm the guy who makes everybody laugh. That's my whole role.
[00:06:37] Speaker B: Comic relief.
[00:06:38] Speaker C: Good for I'm comic relief. Yeah, no, I'm definitely amongst a few chosen elite to be part of the marketing team. I'm very excited to be a part of this opportunity. Really.
It's going to be fun. Five nights, Caribbean, leaving Miami and everything's all inclusive.
I don't think that can really be said enough. I've looked into a lot of cruises and have always been a little bit tepid to get involved. And I've clicked through and then I get to the last step and all of a sudden my bill is $1,000 more than I thought it was going to be. But we're assuring you, like your taxes, your gratuity, your basic food, your drinks, not like water and pop, but the good stuff all inclusive. So it's going to be a good opportunity. And what better way to do it than with other like minded people who have been supportive of the Cleveland Browns probably their entire lives?
[00:07:52] Speaker B: In case anyone's slow on the uptake, he's talking about booze.
[00:07:56] Speaker C: Yes. I didn't want to spell it out.
I wasn't going to mention anything in specifics, but I'll do it.
[00:08:05] Speaker B: I'll take the heat.
No, but yes, that's great. I mean, it's really exciting. Like you said, no hidden fees, none of that stuff. So the price that you're seeing is the price that you're going to pay to have a lot of funds. A lot of funds, a lot of fun Cleveland Browns and a lot of Cleveland Browns alumni. So can you outline for our fans, just real quick? Like we said, we're excited to be partnered with the Cleveland Browns Fan Cruise. What can our fans expect to see from us as this progresses?
[00:08:36] Speaker C: Well, I think fortunately or unfortunately, you'll see a lot of my face over the next several months.
There will definitely be a lot of opportunities for us to work together on a variety of things moving forward. But most importantly, you all be McGing. A lot of the events on the ship here.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: First, they're giving us a microphone in front of a live audience. I don't really know what they were thinking, but we're going to turn it up. We're going to make it interesting.
Besides parties. Go ahead.
[00:09:14] Speaker C: I was going to say anyone who knows me knows I usually think after the fact, so that was probably part of the process there.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: So what else besides MC and the parties? Is there anything else leading up to it or anything else while we're on the cruise that everybody can kind of expect to see?
[00:09:34] Speaker C: Yeah, there's just going to be a lot and I think one of the biggest things that Seaside events who is partnering with the Cleveland Browns to do mean the Browns are a great problem. Partners, certainly super helpful with everything from the logistics to getting the legends and alumni of the Cleveland Browns on board to wanting to do this.
It's been great so far. I think you'll see a lot of opportunity for interaction on the ship, you will see autograph signings, question and answer signings dinner with the alumni. And then there are two different parties, like a departure party. And when you get to the island parties where it's not going to be like a situation where they get off the ship and for five minutes they're like, oh, hey, hi, how are you doing? And then there's a big red velvet robe and you're like, oh look, they're right there. I can see, but I can't touch. I still wouldn't advise touching them. That's just basically of security, human conduct. But I think the idea is we want to make this as intimate of an experience as possible for people. And again, going back to the whole theme of this area, people work hard for their money and we don't want to put them in a position where they're spending their hard earned money on something that they really won't make great memories from. So that's really what we're all about, is making this a really special event for people to look back on and want to come and do again as the years go on.
[00:11:14] Speaker A: It really is just such a unique opportunity to have that kind of access on a cruise. Especially the destinations that you guys have picked out are fantastic, super looking forward to seeing the Caribbean again. But just all in all, sounds like an awesome opportunity for everybody involved. Like you said, just being around like minded Browns fans, getting to have conversations with people from all over, and then we kind of recap what we hope to be a great, successful season. So be awesome.
[00:11:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And Kenny hit that's. That's the best word to describe this because this is the first time I've ever heard of a fan cruise like this. Pretty cool idea, pretty good way to get, like you said, more in an intimate setting with the alumni. And speaking of the alumni, we didn't even really get into that. You got a list in front of you. Am I putting you on the spot here? Can you list off?
[00:12:05] Speaker C: No. For me I do because I have so many different sports and so many different athletes constantly on my mind as I'm a huge sports got.
And I think the list is most likely finalized at this point. But we've got Gary Barnage, John Greco, Kevin Mack. David Zastadil. Greg Pruitt. Hanford Dixon. Felix Wright.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: Ben Davis.
[00:12:30] Speaker C: Phil Taylor. Reggie Langhorn.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: What?
[00:12:33] Speaker C: Frank Stams, Webster Slaughter john Hughes eric Metcalf and Josh Cribs So it's a.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: Pretty good list of the who's who.
[00:12:42] Speaker C: Of the Cleveland Browns. I know I'm excited and it's got a good representation, I think, from pretty much all generations of viable Browns who could attend the cruise.
[00:12:53] Speaker B: Yeah, and I know that you listed and you said that it's mostly finalized, but from what I understand, there is an outside chance that maybe a person or 2 may be added down the line that you guys could announce it might be.
[00:13:06] Speaker C: I'm really not sure at this point what's going to happen with that. I think last we talked about it, they were looking into it but kind of have said like, this is a pretty powerful list as it is. It's a good place to work with and then it gives opportunity too for there to be further cruises where we can bring other people in and have them.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: That's the plan here people. We want multiple cruises so we can't give you all the alumni in the first year or else you'd never come back.
[00:13:38] Speaker C: Yeah, that's basically it. And hopefully as the years go on, we can get some of the draft picks to kind of come on board as well as some of the younger guys, some of the active players. So there's been a lot of discussions. Year one is always the beta test. Just try to figure out what works best, what people seem to like a B testing know. So it really is know, good opportunity to get involved with the Browns community for sure.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And so I guess just to wrap this up here because like we said, we are going to have you on multiple times. So we don't want to get too far into the weeds. Let people keep them guessing a little bit, I guess. But to wrap this up, where can our fans and just Browns fans in general find additional information regarding the fan cruise?
[00:14:30] Speaker C: Yeah, you could go to Brownsfancruise.com. That's the best place. Sign up for our email list. We're sending out emails about once a week with updates and information, especially since we do have like 30, 60, 90 day payment plans. And obviously those end at certain points because we have to have money into the cruise lines. Check us out on Instagram at Browns Fan Cruise facebook browns Fan Cruise And I think this is like a soft announcement, but we will be at several training camp days and we will be at several home games. We are finalizing the dates right now. We definitely encourage everybody who has already bought tickets considering it or just want to hang out and hear some jokes to come by and visit the booths.
[00:15:19] Speaker B: Hell yes. It's good to see you guys getting involved with everything, making your presence known and making sure that the fans are aware of this. Great opportunity to go on this fan cruise.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: And we're super excited to be a part of it. We're going to make sure we do our best to help everybody have an awesome time. It's going to be really special.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: It's going to be dope. Kenny, I know you're the master of editing here, so you want to throw up on the screen.
[00:15:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's where you can find more information.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: Yeah, and I'll throw the website into our show notes, so make sure you check those down below. If you're watching on YouTube, they'll be in the description. So check the show notes and you can go and get more information about the Browns fan cruise and sign up to go.
[00:16:02] Speaker A: Come sail away with us come sail.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: Away come sail away come and sail with we're again, nick, thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it. We hope to have you on again very soon. We will at some point regardless, but hopefully soon.
[00:16:21] Speaker C: Awesome. Yeah, it's been great. Can't wait to come back and talk about the cruise and really talk about what we think is going to happen in 2023 with the Cleveland Browns.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. That's definitely a future discussion. We'll be asking everybody that we talk to. So we look forward to it. Awesome.
[00:16:38] Speaker C: Thanks.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: All right. Thanks, Nick.
All right. So it was good having Nick on. As he mentioned, he will be back on multiple times between now and the time the cruise rolls around, which is in March 2024, early March, march 11 through the 16th, I believe, are the dates.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Now you know why I'm wearing the shirt.
[00:16:58] Speaker B: We get it.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: I'm ready for the cruise.
[00:16:59] Speaker B: It's time.
[00:17:00] Speaker A: And we are looking forward to being the master of ceremonies during the entire cruise.
[00:17:03] Speaker B: I can't believe they gave us a mic. They're going to give us a live mic on the pool deck.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: It is going to be so much fun. We hope you all come out and join us, find the resources that Nick led you to and get your tickets for this thing. It's going to be bomb ass.
[00:17:19] Speaker B: In addition to some of the things that we talked about to kind of kick this thing off, we want to let you know that we will also be doing interview with a ton of alumni between now and the end of the year, among other things. We'll probably have some events and some other things that we plan in order to promote the Cleveland Browns Fan Cruise. So it's big deal for us. We're really excited. And this is just dope ass, bro.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: Come sail away with us come sail away come sail away come sail away with me yeah.
[00:17:48] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: Very nice. Harmony. Awesome. Oh, hey, we have another special announcement. Second special announcement.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: Short sound perfect.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: All right. Kenny Thunder Three was born unexpectedly early this past week. So Kenny, son of Kenny, son of Kenny, was born, and it was why we postponed last week's episode. So it was for a good cause, so Kenny's wife could have a baby.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: We appreciate the flexibility so how's it going? Allowing us to reschedule the week, even though we were bi weekly through the offseason. And now we've pushed it back three weeks, but we're not really that much of a mess. It was just an absolute emergency.
[00:18:28] Speaker B: Just to be clear, though, everybody's safe.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: Everybody's doing well. Now we're back home.
But it was just a long week. We haven't slept a ton.
You look good, though.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: Usually you look about dead. When you get home from the hospital.
[00:18:44] Speaker A: Don't lie.
We've been home a couple of days now. I'm starting to get some sleep again.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: But we starting to get some color in your face.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: We went about a week with very little sleep and in the hospital. But like Ronnie said, everything is good now. Baby boy is healthy. Kenny Thunder Three is here to terrorize the world as he is terrorizing me and his mom.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: You keep that kid away from my daughter.
[00:19:08] Speaker A: I can't make any promises.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: You better.
All right, so that'll lead us to the Burning River news story of the week.
All right, so everybody heard this story. If you didn't hear the story, you got problems.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: The story that has captivated the nation the world. The world.
[00:19:34] Speaker B: The world. The story of the Titan, the Titanic research vessel. Not even research vessel, just I guess it was the Titanic viewing vessel.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: It was a fake submarine.
[00:19:47] Speaker B: Yeah, a submarine made out of fiberglass.
Sorry, I don't mean to make light of it. I know it's a tragedy, but yeah, that happened. That was, like, real. And there's a lot to unpack with this thing, too, because it was just.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: Drama every day because of the way it unfold.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: God.
[00:20:04] Speaker A: And the thing that's really unfortunate is, like you mentioned, it is a tragedy. Obviously, lives were lost, but there was so much misinformation that came out. There was so much conjecture and speculation. We had the whole are they sitting at the bottom of the ocean with only a certain amount of a finite amount of air?
[00:20:24] Speaker B: That was the worst part of it, because it's just worst case scenario in your head. And you're like, oh, that would be.
[00:20:29] Speaker A: And it really is.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: Way to go. And then you started thinking about they're like, well, they only have this much time for oxygen, and people are, like, counting out of that time. But what they don't realize is, like, it takes several hours for you to get back up to the surface. So they had to find them multiple hours before that in order if that was the scenario, in order to keep them alive.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: Which is why, then the facts of this thing as they've been released are even so much more baffling and just strange because obviously this thing took off at around 08:00 A.m. Lost communication.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: I'll go through a timeline real quick.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: Hour and 45 minutes in.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll go through a timeline real quick. So it took off at 08:00 A.m.. That's when the Titan began its descent from the Canadian research vessel the Polar Prince to the Titanic wreck. The trip was expected to take 2 hours to reach the ocean floor. According to the Coast Guard, 09:45 A.m. Rolls around communication ceased between the Titan and its mothership, which is about 90 minutes officially. I know it's technically an hour and 45 minutes later, but it's officially 90 minutes after they left is when they lost communication.
03:00 P.m., the Titan fails to appear at the expected time for resurfacing. And then at 05:40 P.m., the Coast Guard receives a report on an overdue 20 1ft submersible with five people on board diving to view the wreckage of the Titanic approximately 900 nautical miles east of Cape Cod. Which one just to start here? Why did it take 2 hours and 40 minutes to report this thing?
[00:21:52] Speaker A: 2 hours and 45 minutes? It took a lot longer than that. The ship took off at 08:00 A.m. And they lost communication at 945.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Why did it take that long to call the Coast Guard?
[00:22:01] Speaker A: When you're thinking about you have finite amount of oxygen on board and you have a missing vessel, why is that not in a protocol? Is the first thing you do?
[00:22:11] Speaker B: No idea. No idea. So fast forward a couple of days. As you mentioned, there's a panicked search effort to try and find this thing. So nobody knows what happened to it. It just disappeared.
There's basically three scenarios that you have. It either went to the bottom and like you said, they're in there with a finite amount of air, hoping that somebody saves them. It went to the top and they're floating, waiting for somebody to come and get them, or it imploded. Those were the only three scenarios.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: And the one that even is maybe almost the worst would have been is if they had made it back to the top, but because it was literally an underwater coffin that screwed in latched from the outside, they couldn't get out. Even if they had made it to the surface, they would either someone to.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: Those two scenarios would have been awful. Sitting at the bottom or sitting at the top, but just running out of air.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you start to go through the permutations in your head. We've all seen and heard the stories of the soccer team or the rugby team or whoever, the Crash and the Donner Party. You start going through the Lord of the Flies permutations in your mind, thinking like, okay, we have finite resources. We're at the bottom of the ocean. How do we get out of this? And none of it is good. No. And ultimately just tragedy. But so odd the way that this went down, because you're thinking about just kind of an unnecessary trip to begin with. You've got a bunch of billionaires down there.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: Let's take a step back here. So I've heard a lot of talk about and just, like, bashing on these billionaires because they're like, why would you pay $250,000 to go see the Titanic if I'm a billionaire? Just so everybody can understand this. If you make about $50,000 a year, that trip to them, that $250,000 trip to a billionaire is the equivalent of me buying Starbucks one day.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: True.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: So if I want to see the Titanic, I'm going to say, yeah, I'll pay for Starbucks to go see the titanic.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: True.
But I don't have to sign a waiver at Starbucks that says if I die. But it's funny, I'm the only one responsible. True. And just again, being locked in from the outside, the fact that this thing was steered apparently with some kind of Xbox controller modified. Yeah. Xbox or PlayStation? Controller. And it sounds like in several of the other launches of this particular vessel that there's been issues, it was not unusual for them to lose communication for some certain amount of time.
[00:24:34] Speaker B: There was documentary done on one of the crafts that the guy owned, that Ocean Gate owned, and he was basically kind of more or less bragging, like, yeah, we got this at, like, Radio Shack.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: Stuff that's up to that you would think would be going to the bottom of the ocean.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: Well, and that's the thing, right? I mean, I think there were some people that had dropped out of the trip because they felt like it just wasn't mean. They thought that the way that the thing was crafted was potentially unsafe. And again, just kind of bizarre that you would have these guys that are kind of masters of the domain that are spending all this money to go to the bottom of the ocean in a ship that clearly wasn't safe.
And just the fact that this thing is called Ocean Gate, it almost alludes to weird conspiracy conversations.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Conspiracy theories abound on this thing because of all the weirdness that surrounds it. But what we're going to do is we're going to fast forward a few days. I didn't really get to the finding of it. So in June 22, four days after at 11:48 a.m., basically about the time that they were supposed to run out of oxygen, the Coast Guard announces that a debris field had been discovered by an ROV from the Horizon Arctic near the Titanic. And then Ocean Gate announces a short time later that the entire Titan cruise, entire Titan crew had been lost and that the vessel had imploded. The worst part about this is after all of the craziness and the franticness and everybody wondering what happened and all these theories and this, that and the other thing, multiple countries trying to help with this thing, millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars spent trying to find the crew, trying to find the vessel, the US. Navy comes in and says, oh, by the way, guys, about the time that you lost communication right in that vicinity, we detected an anomaly that would indicate an implosion of a vessel. Yeah, like, are you kidding me? And I understand it's supposed to be the Navy vessel that reported. This is a submarine. That is a surveillance submarine that nobody's supposed to know where it's at. And they could possibly give up their position if they radio out and tell everybody that they heard this. But sometimes you just got to tell someone.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Ultimately, it's just one more reason why the ocean is just the scariest place ever.
[00:27:10] Speaker B: Oh, I say it all the time. I think we've talked about it on the show. Like I'm more terrified of the ocean than I am of space. Because in the ocean, shit like that can happen. Your vessel can just implode.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: Two final things just from my end. I heard a story that it sounds like the father son combo that went down there. The son really didn't want to go.
This part is real sad because it was Father's Day. I felt like he owed it to dad to be there and went anyway. So just tragic on that front.
And two, I've heard some of the interviews with family and people close to the crew that knew them say implosion probably is the best outcome in terms of the disaster like this because they didn't see it coming.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: And nobody is saying that death is a good outcome. No, people confuse that online when other people have said what you're saying. But if the ultimate outcome was going to be death, the best possible way for somebody to go is less than 2.5 milliseconds where they literally don't even have time to process what's happening.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: You eliminate all those Lord of the Flies permutations, right? All the bad things that could happen down there.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Like literally by the time anybody even they didn't even have time to consider that something was going that wrong before.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: But thing imploded to that extent. My point was I've heard this said a couple of times if this was the outcome, this is the best outcome for them because they had no idea it was happening.
I started thinking about that and I was really like, is that the best way to go? If you just bam, I'm dead. Not talking about these guys at all.
Do you also feel like if you're going to die tomorrow, you just wouldn't want to know what happened?
[00:28:55] Speaker B: I don't know. I would like to say goodbye to my family and stuff, but at the same time I don't want my family to feel any that pain of having to say goodbye or anything like that. As much as I want to say goodbye. That would be a really hard thing to go through too, is saying goodbye.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: I just have always heard that about plane crashes and things where it's like, well, they didn't suffer.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: That part's fair.
[00:29:19] Speaker A: Is it fair though? That's what I'm asking. I think it is agnostic of this current situation.
Is that the best way to go? Just where you have no clue?
[00:29:30] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:29:31] Speaker A: I feel like my brain would be so pissed. I'd be like, seriously?
[00:29:35] Speaker B: My brain would cease.
[00:29:37] Speaker A: Yeah, but in a situation like that, you probably have a millisecond to process and you're like, oh God.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: It literally takes like 15 times the amount of milliseconds to process as it took for it to happen.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: I just don't buy that. That's the best way to go there. I understand eliminating the suffering part of it, but I don't know, maybe it's just because I would rather suffer because I'm just such a sufferable asshole. Anyway, you're a dick.
[00:30:04] Speaker B: But yeah. So, I mean, prayers for the families that they can kind of get over this and not get over. That's the terrible way to phrase that. Prayers for the family that they get some relief and can find peace. And hopefully, as much as I hate regulation in general, hopefully there's some way to regulate and not let vessels like this continue to go down. Because what are we doing? That this thing wasn't checked out by multiple organizations to make sure that it was seaworthy to the extent that they claimed it was seaworthy?
[00:30:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
Titanic is a unique one, too, right? Because it's so far down. People don't realize how far it's down there. Man, Titanic is down. I mean, the largest buildings in the world pale in comparison to how far this thing is down in terms of size.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: It's like you put 25 of them together and you're starting to get kind of close to the Titanic.
[00:31:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it is well down there.
I don't know what the future of oceanic exploration is, but it would seem to me that as careful as we are with everything else, it's shocking that we would let a submersible that was questionably made, steered by a remote control and locked from the outside go down to the depths that they were attempting to go down to.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: But I guess is it international water? Like, who even owns the regulation there?
[00:31:35] Speaker B: I don't know that much of it. But again, prayers for the families.
[00:31:41] Speaker A: It's terrible, terrible, terrible tragedy, but just a bizarre story in general on top of that.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: But moving on to our next segment here, we are going to get into the Burning River Rundown.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: Should I recut the open to the show and say that we are brought to you by the Browns Fan Cruise?
[00:32:08] Speaker B: Do you want to?
[00:32:11] Speaker A: No, it was like a joke since now that we've talked to Nick, like, should we recut it? You didn't go there with me, so it's fine.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: I don't like joking with you.
[00:32:20] Speaker A: You're not going there with me, but you'll go on a cruise with me.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: I'll go on the cruise because you're the embassy. Speaking of the cruise, and speaking of fun things to do related to the Cleveland Browns, I went with my wife and some friends this past weekend, and we went golfing at the stadium. So Upper Deck was putting on an event at Cleveland Brown Stadium this past weekend where basically you got to travel around the stadium and play a nine hole golf course and you're hitting balls onto the Wonder.
[00:32:47] Speaker A: I've always thought about this because I always felt like I could hit a pitching wedge into the stands from the field. Doesn't the ball just fly out stadium.
[00:32:54] Speaker B: So it was limited.
The longest club that you could take into this place if you were bringing your own clubs, clubs were provided there. But if you're bringing your own clubs, the longest club that you were allowed to take into this place was an eight iron.
Yeah. You probably could hit over the field with an eight iron, but you're just hitting it into the stands at that point on the other side.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: That makes sense. Now, was this, like, top tracer technology? Like, how does this work?
[00:33:18] Speaker B: No, it was think topgolf without the technology.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: So basically what it was is you're like, Amish topgolf. Yeah.
[00:33:26] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: You're hitting off of different pads, different starting places around the stands in the stadium. And when you hit towards these holes, so there's nine holes on the field, and two of the holes will have, like, a red outline around them, and that constitutes the green. If you hit it on the green within that red outline, then you get a par, you get a three.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: So it's almost like, hang on, dream game of horseshoes.
[00:33:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And then each hole actually has a white circle around it. If you get it inside that, then you get a birdie, you get a two, and then holes are actually cut in the field. So if you make a hole in one, you get a one. And then anything outside of that is a bogey is how they played it.
You got two shots per hole, so it's whatever your best shot was.
[00:34:16] Speaker A: Was there someone down there to verify that the ball went into the hole?
[00:34:19] Speaker B: No, it's kind of honor system. My wife and I had a moment where she's like, that rolled out. I was like, I literally have it on camera.
It stopped right there.
[00:34:27] Speaker A: You made it in the hole?
[00:34:29] Speaker B: No, it wasn't in the hole. I apologize, but it was on the green. And she was like, no, that rolled out.
It's on camera.
So you just kind of have to play honor system and go from there. But it was pretty dope. It was a unique way to view the stadium, especially because they had, like, seats moved all around and you could really like, when you're up on these hitting decks, you're like, looking straight down in the stadium.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: So pretty cool.
Events like that are often neat. Anytime you have a corporate event, like a brown stadium is cool because there's no one else there. So you never see the stadium like that.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Right.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: It's a very much more intimate way to take in just the enormity of the stadium. Because when you're there on game day and there's 70,000 people there, it's just places rocking. You're just like a part of the crowd. But when you get in there and you're like, wow, this is just like.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: This is a massive facility. Yeah, it was big. So what we didn't see around the stadium but is coming soon. They have announced the new dog logo for the dog pound.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Here we go.
[00:35:27] Speaker B: And they went with my choice and not with Kenny's choice. Kenny loses again. How does it feel, buddy?
[00:35:34] Speaker A: It feels bad because they chose the wrong logo. And here's the thing, this dog logo is not going to last long.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: I probably give it three years.
[00:35:43] Speaker A: No one's going to buy this merch. It looks terrible on merch.
[00:35:46] Speaker B: I disagree. I think it looks good on merch.
[00:35:49] Speaker A: Way too busy.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: My only complaint about it is that it should have had some eyes.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: That's an iconic logo. It's easy to draw. It's rememberable.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: Rememberable.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: Memorable.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: We got to remember.
[00:36:02] Speaker A: People can remember what it looks like.
[00:36:04] Speaker B: That logo is fire.
[00:36:05] Speaker A: That is fire.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: Literally on water.
[00:36:08] Speaker A: In water. On fire.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a fire water drop. But it's also inside the fire water drop. A river that's on fire.
[00:36:16] Speaker A: That's on fire.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it's so fire. That is dope. Why didn't they stick with this logo?
[00:36:23] Speaker A: This logo.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: That's the goat. Just make the orange orange. Make the orange orange day.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: Call it a day. There's no reason even to bifurcate from that.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: I think we can all agree with that.
But moving on here, the training camp schedule was released. I know we kind of talked about it a little bit with Nick off the air, possibly doing some things at training camp. We don't know. We'll see what happens there. But training camp schedule has been released and far less days to attend for fans this year.
[00:36:52] Speaker A: Yes. And that's because the browns play the hall of fame game this year. So because they have the extra preseason game and it's early, they're actually going to West Virginia, mount mama to the greenbriar to do like a team bonding training camp, I guess maybe play some golf other there. Cool. But they have, I think I want to say eleven days in West Virginia that they'll be doing training camp that otherwise would have been in Berea and open to fans. So there's a few less dates. It feels like this year saw a.
[00:37:28] Speaker B: Lot of people complaining about it. But when you take all of this into account, it doesn't seem like it's a permanent thing. It seems more like this year specific thing because they lost a lot of.
[00:37:37] Speaker A: Unless they really love the greenbriar.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: That's fair. I mean, it might be dope.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: It seems weird to me that they would have scheduled a trip like that and not gone to Columbus to do training camp like they did the last few years. Yeah, just like places you're fighting for fan base down there with Cincinnati.
I don't know what NFL teams in west Virginia?
Well, they're probably Pittsburgh fans.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: Maybe that's why. Maybe they're like, yeah, well, maybe we could capture this audience here.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: They probably won't. They're the greenbriar. It's going to be like private events.
[00:38:07] Speaker B: Yeah, true.
So what they're doing for the days that are open to the fans this year? Is there's a theme, a family friendly theme every night. So August 1, they have youth football flag football theme.
Sunday, august 6 they've got throwback theme. August 7 superheroes theme. August 9 stay in the game theme. Don't even know what that means.
August 20 Brownsbackers theme, which sounds dope because the Brownsbackers are my friends.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: Can we point out real quick before we go? So there was a gap there from the 9th to the 20th. We have two preseason games in between. There this joint practice in Philadelphia. I'm looking forward to this because I feel like there could be some haymakers thrown. You think these joint practices always seem to get out of hand. I just think with the idea I.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: Don'T know why they keep doing them.
[00:38:59] Speaker A: I think with the identity this Browns team is trying to build and the fact that Jim Schwartz has familiarity on both sides.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: Speaking of that, did you hear his quote today, the quote that Newsome just said today? They asked him about Jim Schwartz and how they're liking the new defense. And they said, well, he said we're going to lead the league in badassery. So there's that.
[00:39:18] Speaker A: So I'm very much looking forward to these joint practices in between the open practices coming back to Berea.
[00:39:24] Speaker B: Yeah, but again, back on track here. August 20 brownsbackers theme. August 22 military appreciation theme. August 23 barks and bites theme And August 24 browns Give Back theme So everything's themed. It should be a good time for the days that are open to fans. We encourage you to go take in the practice because that's really when you kind of get to know some of the players. I mean, I know obviously there's game days and stuff and you get to know the players throughout the season.
But these practices can tell you who some of the big playmakers are going to be before that information is really out there.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: And camp's always exciting because you get to see some of the one on one position battles. I mean, you start to think about.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: Practice is fun to watch in the NFL.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: You start to think about wide receiver and who's going to stand out there this year because there are a couple of guys that could be on the bubble.
[00:40:09] Speaker B: What do you think? Denzel Ward versus Amari Cooper in practice or Denzel Ward versus Elijah Moore in practice?
[00:40:17] Speaker A: Fun things to and just the position battles, like I said, I think are going to be really key because you're going to have a number of them, whether it's a wide receiver, defensive line. You may see some guys pop at linebacker that they brought in that were like undrafted guys that may find their way onto a roster. Generally they bring in multiple kickers and punters to impress a guy like Patty.
I was actually thinking of Cody Rhodes. Cody Rhodes on the brain. But yeah. So I think those are just always cool to watch during camp, because sometimes you'll see somebody that catches your eye that otherwise you wouldn't even have any clue they're there.
[00:41:02] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. So that kind of wraps up training camp, but I did mention Elijah Moore. There one fun thing that came out these past few weeks here is everybody kind of finalized their numbers for the season, and it came out that Elijah Moore chose number eight, and his reasoning behind it was he wanted to honor the eight championships that the Browns have. So that was a pretty cool moment. I mean, it's always nice to see the new guys kind of embrace the history of the team.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: So let me ask you this. You are in favor of Elijah Moore changing his number, but not in favor of Thornhill getting a tattoo?
[00:41:32] Speaker B: That's not what I said. I'm fine with Juan Thornhill's tattoo. The tattoo itself is dope ass. The problem that I had was everybody blew it up. Like, it was like this very special.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: You just said he gets us moment, right?
[00:41:46] Speaker B: No, but his was he has the NFL shield of his arm.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: Here we go.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: And then he has each team that.
[00:41:53] Speaker A: He'S played for around backpedal your way out of that one.
[00:41:57] Speaker B: I'm just saying it wasn't like a special thing for the Browns. No, look, the tattoo itself is dope.
[00:42:02] Speaker A: I'd rather have a guy like that that here's a young guy coming into a situation that he didn't meet expectations the first time around and is trying to get off on the right foot because he's at least done his homework. Not like when they brought Jarvis Landry in and he was like, the Ravens used to be the Browns. What?
[00:42:21] Speaker B: Jarvis landry was dope, though. So we all love no, I mean.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: Look, I love Jarvis, but that was a bad moment. That's how you lose a press conference.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: From there, win us back.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: Elijah Moore's winning at least the press conference for now.
[00:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
And so next up here we've got PFF has really been showing us some love lately, which is pretty interesting because PFF obviously goes 100% off of statistics and, like, grades for how players play on the field. So where they've shown us some love is in the power rankings. They have the Browns at number nine. So the AFC North goes bengals are at four, ravens are at ten, and Steelers are at 17. So you heard that, right?
PFF is the only outlet that has the Browns ahead of the Ravens. We're at nine. They're at ten. I think it's kind of unanimous across the board. Everybody has the Bengals up there in, like, the top five, but everybody else has the Browns at, like, 20.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: Let me ask you this, which is.
[00:43:18] Speaker B: Shocking with the amount I understand you got to prove it, but it's shocking with the amount of talent.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: If Joe Burrows in Cincinnati, are the Bengals anywhere close to four?
[00:43:26] Speaker B: No, wait.
You just said if Joe Burrows in.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: Cincinnati I'm saying if he's not in Cincinnati.
[00:43:33] Speaker B: That's how I took it. But you said if he is in.
[00:43:34] Speaker A: Cincinnati, Joe Burrow is not there.
[00:43:36] Speaker B: If he's not there, no, they're nowhere close to four. Like if they have Baker Mayfield, they're nowhere close to four. Nowhere close.
[00:43:42] Speaker A: I mean, that number seems so inflated to like they've played well the last like Joe Burrow.
[00:43:47] Speaker B: I love Joe Burrow. I wish he loses every game that he plays against the Browns. But.
[00:43:54] Speaker A: To live in a world where the Bengals are a top five team in the NFL just blows my mind.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: It pisses me off.
But PFF also showed the Browns some love and they ranked their top duos on offense this past week. We actually had two different position groups get the top ranking for duos in the league, which the first one was tight ends with Njoku and Aikens.
[00:44:17] Speaker A: Look, I like the aikens move. I said that when they first happened. That was one of the most exciting offseason moves I think that they could have made was to bring in a guy with that frame.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: You think about on the goal, we're we're talking about we all know that they're going to try and air things out. But on the goal line, specifically, what it gives you is you bring in two tight ends. You give that heavy look and you can go with Nick Chubb or you can pass it to one of. Yeah. So, like, to me, that was fantastic move. Know, we have other tight ends on the roster that are pretty solid. But Aikens is a game changer.
[00:44:54] Speaker A: Here's the thing, though, stefanski, stefanik is he going to allow Joku and Aikens on the field. You know, he likes to keep talent separated.
[00:45:07] Speaker B: He does like to keep talent separated. But he also likes to play with multiple tight ends.
[00:45:11] Speaker A: Yeah, but they'll have somebody else on it. They'll have Pharaoh Brown or somebody that's not good will be there.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: Hey, Pharaoh Brown. They were hoping to be what now they're hoping Aikens will mean pharaoh Brown.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: Is always just a dumpy pass blocker and run blocker. But Aikens is an athlete, so I'm excited about that. And then obviously the guards, you have batonio and teller. I mean, you have one guy that's a certified hall of Famer and another guy that wrestles alligators for fun.
[00:45:40] Speaker B: We got a Christmas card from and his wife.
But yeah, so that was pretty cool. PFF showing us some love. Good to see. Next up here, and I mentioned it actually while we were talking with Nick earlier, is the Browns have the best attendance in the league?
[00:45:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I think this came from it actually came from a 2021 study. So I think that the data is an extra year old, but it was just kind of released recently. In the last several weeks.
[00:46:07] Speaker B: Yeah, the Browns were at 99.2% as far as their attendance goes.
Still don't know. After this news comes out, it's still shocking to me that the Browns were not included in the global markets.
[00:46:19] Speaker A: That study tracked both home and away games, so it was tracking how your team tracked.
[00:46:24] Speaker B: Fun fact, a lot of people don't know this, but the Cleveland Browns have a number of tickets that they have given to them, basically to sell to their fan base for away games. And so that's where those were basically sold out every single time. Yeah, but we don't want to be in the global markets plan because we won't bring fans to the stand.
[00:46:43] Speaker A: It makes no sense why, when you have literally a built in network with the Browns backers that is literally global.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: Worldwide, and a lot of these chapters have thousands and thousands of members.
[00:46:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:58] Speaker B: Just don't understand it.
Moving on here, though, the assault case against Perry and Winfrey was dropped. He's a dog, so we do get to keep him in our sounder because.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: Let'S make him the dog of the week.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: I'm not going. No, that's not what this calls for. Okay. I don't condone that. Regardless, it was erroneous erroneous on all counts. But, yeah, we get to keep him as a sounder, so that was pretty cool. All right, next up, if he doesn't.
[00:47:30] Speaker A: Get cut for them.
[00:47:31] Speaker B: Well, that's true. He has made some other boneheaded decisions, so hopefully he's back on the up and up, if you will.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: If you will.
[00:47:41] Speaker B: Next up here, Homer Jones. R-I-P. Homer Jones has passed away at the age of 82. In case you don't know who Homer Jones is, he is the inventor of the Spike. Yes. We're talking about that touchdown celebration.
[00:47:56] Speaker A: I thought he invented for the cleats, like for shoes. Yeah, I don't know. It could have been no, I'm joking. It's a joke. It's the second time he wasn't with me.
[00:48:04] Speaker B: Kenny's really getting me today.
[00:48:05] Speaker A: But, yeah, he did play with the Browns back in 1970.
[00:48:09] Speaker B: Yeah, he played for the Browns in 1970.
I believe the Spike was invented before that, probably. He never scored a touchdown.
[00:48:17] Speaker A: Jim Brown never wore spikes.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: And next up here, another former player. We've got Peyton Hillis update here. So he did a Good Morning America interview. I don't know if anybody caught that. If you didn't, you need to go watch it. It was a very great moving interview.
It was incredible to hear the story of kind of what unfolded on that beach that day. But the greatest quote through that whole thing is at the end of it, michael Strahan asked him. He said, look, you know, some people are calling you a hero. What do you have to say about that? And Peyton Hillis. Humble as always. He was humble when he was with the Browns. He's always been that way. Comes out and says, I'm not a hero. I think that's a very loose term that a lot of people like to apply to things that happen today. And Michael Strahan said, well, then if you're not a hero, what do you call yourself? He said, I call myself a dad. That's it. And I think it's true. I mean, you have a baby now.
[00:49:13] Speaker A: I do.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: I've had a baby for seven months now. And basically at this point, we are the protector. And I would do anything to save that baby's life.
[00:49:23] Speaker A: Baby can't do anything on his own.
[00:49:26] Speaker B: Your baby. No, it's like it's like five days.
Like it's not an it anymore. It's a he he's. Like five days.
Mean, it was incredible. Interview one kind of sad thing that came out of it, but it's kind of the price that Peyton Hill is saying. It's just the price you pay when something like this happens. He said that his lungs are probably never going to be the same, but he would definitely trade that obviously any day for his kids lives, his kid and his niece.
[00:49:55] Speaker A: I think it was his NFL career is definitely over at this point. Well, do you remember when Madden just allowed a fan vote and we were just like Peyton Hills on the COVID of Madden?
[00:50:05] Speaker B: It was one of the greatest moments of my life. Not my life, but probably Peyton Hillis's life. But it was actually a really good moment as a Browns fan. It was like that point where the Browns fans showed up and they're like, oh, you're going to allow the fans to choose? And it was, we got something for your asses.
[00:50:19] Speaker A: And it was in a time when the Browns not that they've been good for very long, but they were really they were on the ad for a really long time.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: But that year that Peyton Hills was with us and playing well, it seemed like we were on the verge.
[00:50:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it seems like if you had Peyton Hills just hurtling over people on every play, like you can't stop him.
[00:50:36] Speaker B: Dude. He was a straight dog when he.
[00:50:37] Speaker A: Played with his bulldog face mask and stuff. Like, man, those were good times.
[00:50:44] Speaker B: Those were good times.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: Even though we were still bad.
[00:50:48] Speaker B: In other Browns news, here Greg Newsom had a celebrity softball game this past week. And let me just rattle off some of the names that were included in this softball game. There's greg Newsom terrell Owens donovan Mitchell nick Chubb jaden Reed Martin Emerson amarion Stewart dallas Flowers demetrius Felton D'Anthony Bell emmanuel Forbes Jr. Cameron Mitchell michael Harley Perrion Wimfrey Johnson II Interesting. Bubba Bolden. Jedrick Wills. Interesting. Alante Taylor. Notice Jed Will's the only big man so far.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Little guys.
[00:51:21] Speaker B: Donovan. Peoples. Jones. Grant delpit.
I'm not even trying that one.
Trent McDuffie AJ. Green. Juan Thornhill, ronnie Harrison, kareem Hunt. Interesting. David Injoku and Denzel Ward. So this is a big list of names that signed up for this softball game. I think this was the I want to say it was like the third annual softball game that he did.
[00:51:47] Speaker A: Well, didn't Jarvis do the softball game? He had a softball game too when.
[00:51:50] Speaker B: He was think, I'm not sure.
[00:51:53] Speaker A: Is this the same organization? I don't know.
[00:51:54] Speaker B: I don't know. But I think this is Greg newsom's. I want to say it's his third, it may be his second, but I think it's his third. But either way, a lot of big names showed up for it. It seems like great time was had by all. They had a Home Run Derby afterwards and the final of the Home Run Derby came down to Donovan Mitchell and Greg Newsom, which would have been really fun to watch in person, but it does sound like Donovan Mitchell came out on top and was able to defeat Newsom.
[00:52:22] Speaker A: I'm glad he's going to softball because he didn't do anything in the playoffs.
[00:52:25] Speaker B: Oh, didn't you really shit on Donovan Mitchell just now?
[00:52:31] Speaker A: I like Donovan Mitchell. I like Don Mitchell so much that I was like, I'm going to go buy a Donovan Mitchell jersey this year.
[00:52:36] Speaker B: Did you do it?
[00:52:36] Speaker A: I did.
[00:52:37] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:52:37] Speaker A: And I'm just so frustrated with all the New York talk and there was a lot of conversation about potentially even trading him this year around the draft.
[00:52:47] Speaker B: The chatter's starting to pick up again just because of all the New York talk. It's like, do we trade him now and get the max value for him just so that we can if he's going to inevitably move to New York anyways?
[00:52:58] Speaker A: And I get that it's a business too. So that's where it's hard because you're straddling that line between fan and practical viewer.
Your favorite players don't always want to be there. They aren't always going to stay around forever. But I don't know, just frustration I think. But good for him for winning the Home Run Derby.
[00:53:21] Speaker B: And Greg knew some celebrity softball game.
In other Cavs news, since we mentioned Donovan Mitchell, the draft was this past week. The Cavs drafted Imani Bates out of eastern eastern Michigan. So according to scouts and Kenny Thunder here this guy's NBA ready, NBA physically.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: NBA ready, but the problem is this.
[00:53:44] Speaker B: Kid is a kid that comes with some baggage and some question marks. I know there were some issues with him, I believe off the court in college. So from here all I got to say is bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him. We had like one draft pick, basically. Yeah.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: And he was number like, what, 57, 59.
[00:54:00] Speaker B: Yeah, he was in the second round. So if he fizzles out, nobody really cares.
[00:54:03] Speaker A: Nobody's going to care. I mean the fact that it's even in the Burning River Rundown is had to an achievement of its on its own.
[00:54:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
Other Cavs news here, this is what's on the same level as us drafting Imani Bates is little Peter Nance. That's right, little Peter was signed. Little Peter was signed to the G League for the know. Obviously. Larry Nance, senior larry Nance Jr. And now little Peter Nance. Peter has been signed to the G League.
[00:54:35] Speaker A: This is a happy, fun story to follow. Like, hopefully it works out and he's able to make the roster in some way.
[00:54:41] Speaker B: That would be dope if another Nance got onto the roster and if he was good.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: I mean, I don't know. This kid played at North Carolina, so maybe he's got a little more athleticism than his.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: There's another Nance coming up even younger than him, I think.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: Well, Larry Jr. Senior just keeps busting them out.
[00:54:58] Speaker B: I don't think he is anymore. I think they're obviously like pushing 20 now.
But anyways, onto the guardians. The Guardians are now 37 and 40. So they're hanging around that five.
[00:55:10] Speaker A: Good thing they play in the Central.
[00:55:12] Speaker B: Good thing they play in the Al Central. They are second in the Al Central and only two games back of the what is it, the Minnesota Twins.
[00:55:20] Speaker A: Twins.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: So central is so bad. Just so bad. And here's the bright side of this whole thing. We still got like 900 games to go, maybe 950, I don't know. There's so many baseball games to play. Nobody really gives a shit right now.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And I mean, just struck by the injury bug again. Tristan Mackenzie still now is banged up again.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: I keep trying to watch full games and it's so is.
[00:55:43] Speaker A: It is. Cause they, they lose so many games. They should win. Losing.
Yeah. This team doesn't have the I'm not, I'm not calling them dead here in.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: It'S just so far this season, they don't have the same juice that last.
[00:56:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it's that thing that you can't quite put your finger on. Right.
[00:56:04] Speaker B: Which is weird because most of the team's bad.
[00:56:06] Speaker A: That X factor that you go like but like last year, this team was it had something different. They were winning all those walk off scenarios. Whereas like this year right now, it's basically 50 50.
[00:56:16] Speaker B: They've actually lost more than they've won just recently. They started winning, some of them. But yeah, early in the season especially, they lost like every single close game.
[00:56:24] Speaker A: Look, 37, 40. They'll get back to 500. Look, I think this is what we talked about at the beginning of the year. Even when the Guardians are bad under Terry Francona, they're not going to be that bad. They'll finish right around 500, a few games over maybe. And if the Cards are right, wins, because you forced me to. If the Cards are right saying that.
[00:56:43] Speaker B: But I didn't say it.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: If the Cards are right, they sneak into the playoffs and hey, that was that counts as another great year for the other Indians.org.
[00:56:49] Speaker B: True. But yeah. So that's it for Cleveland for now. We're going to move on to some non Cleveland news. Here the nuggets. A lot has happened since you had a baby. I. Know this was like two weeks ago now, but the Nuggets are world champions and Nicola Jokic Jokic, however you want to say it, he was the MVP and he did a lot of funny things after the finals were over, which kind of made me like him was he tackled Jamal Murray into a pool, which is pretty funny. He didn't know how to spray champagne. He kind of grabbed it and shook it up a little bit and didn't really nothing happened. And he was like, I don't know. He just took a big swig and set it back down. He's like, I guess I'm done with this.
He was super pissed off that the parade wasn't until Thursday because he just wanted to go back home and be with his horses. Like, immediately after the finals, somebody asked him if he was excited for the parade. He said, when's the parade? When's parade? And the team representative said, it's Thursday. And he said, like, no, I need to go home. I need to go home.
[00:57:51] Speaker A: You want to be home with his horses?
[00:57:53] Speaker B: Yeah. He has, like, a horse farm over there. That's what they do over there. It's just him and his family, and they hang out and they race horses, and there's horse races. Actually, the weekend after the finals, his town where he lives, was hosting, like, this big European horse racing event, and his horses are in it.
[00:58:10] Speaker A: I knew that he wanted to go home afterwards, and he was sad, but I didn't realize that he was homesick of resources.
[00:58:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that's like, a big thing for them, man.
I mentioned his family there. His brothers are wild, too. There's all these videos of them picking up the owner and rubbing the coach's head and all this weird stuff that they do.
[00:58:29] Speaker A: They seem like they talk shit to.
[00:58:31] Speaker B: All the other fans that try and talk shit to Jokic.
[00:58:33] Speaker A: They seem like every drunk stereotype of an Eastern European.
[00:58:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
They're not German, but you think of, like, the drunk German guy. That's his brother.
[00:58:43] Speaker A: Yeah, they just think of the good old boys. I don't know.
[00:58:47] Speaker B: I'm with you. And they're huge, and they're hilarious. It's just fun watching them. And then I mentioned them picking up the owner. The debt owner, by the way, wins everywhere. He owns multiple sports franchises, and I think, like, three of them have won championships in the last two years.
How do we get one of those.
[00:59:04] Speaker A: Guys good to be him?
[00:59:06] Speaker B: Yeah, so that's pretty wild. And then we did find out in the finals that Jimmy Butler is most likely not Michael Jordan's son because he was complete ass. Like, just ass.
It's just crazy to me because this whole thing and I know I'm probably beating a dead horse at this point, but it proves that Jimmy Butler is not on the superstar level. Because if this was LeBron, if this was Kobe back in the day, if this was Curry, if this was Kevin Durant, if this was any other of those big names and they performed like this in the finals, we would all be shitting on them.
[00:59:43] Speaker A: And he was so good up until then.
[00:59:45] Speaker B: Yeah, we would all be destroying him. But instead, because he was so good up to that point and nobody expected that, we still praise him because he got him. Like, I wish they would have had that mentality with LeBron back in the day. Some of the Cavs teams that he took to the final were complete. Finals were complete ass. Like, the team that got swept by San Antonio. Oh, my God, pavlovich was in your starting lineup. Sasha pavlovich.
[01:00:07] Speaker A: Gooden.
[01:00:08] Speaker B: Dwight gooden. Like, it was just terrible. There's no what? Are you kidding me? No, it was Mo Williams. I think we went to the finals, but still, I mean, like, a team that should not be in the finals and everybody destroys LeBron to this day for getting swept in the finals. His team was way worse than this year's heat and they still came.
[01:00:29] Speaker A: And even in those series that LeBron lost, the argument could be made that he was the best player on the.
[01:00:34] Speaker B: Court in all those he either is or damn near averaging a triple double in every single one of those series. And somehow he's the problem.
[01:00:41] Speaker A: They didn't win because it was him.
[01:00:44] Speaker B: It's ridiculous. But more news out of the NBA. John Morant was suspended 25 games for another video coming out while he was drunk, I believe, of him brandishing a gun. So 25 games, I mean, it's significant.
[01:00:58] Speaker A: Third of the season.
[01:00:59] Speaker B: Third of the season. I believe it's without pay. So it's just like I know it doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but that's pretty significant for something where he technically didn't get in any legal trouble.
[01:01:09] Speaker A: The crazy thing is, John Morant is one of the premier talents in the league, right?
[01:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I'm afraid for the worst case scenario of this.
Guys that play with guns, I mean, bad things tend to eventually happen.
[01:01:23] Speaker A: Well, look, this isn't even a referendum on guns.
[01:01:26] Speaker B: No, and I'm not saying that. I'm saying just like when they do the things that John Moran's doing in these videos yeah.
[01:01:32] Speaker A: You can't go into a nightclub, get drunk and brandish a firearm.
[01:01:34] Speaker B: Right. That's bad things tend to happen to people who do things like that. And so I'm just afraid that we're going to wake up one morning and see which nobody wants. An awful, awful story about John Morant getting into trouble with the wrong people. And he could be one of the faces of the NBA 100%.
[01:01:55] Speaker A: When it happened the first time, it was egregious and then he kind of like half ass apologized and then he did a second time.
Bizarre on this one, that it's just hard to get into that mindset. Right? I mean, if you've worked your whole life to get somewhere.
It would be like if we worked our whole life to get to the Browns fan cruise.
And then after the first day, we were like, let's get off the boat.
What are you doing?
[01:02:24] Speaker B: It's a long swim.
[01:02:25] Speaker A: It's a long swim.
No one's giving you a prize on the other end. So I just can't get myself in that mindset of why these things happen.
[01:02:34] Speaker B: I don't know either. And kind of to bookend that story with this story is patriots cornerback Jack Jones criticized him on Twitter for his guns. His exact tweet was John Morant. Dumb. You're letting social media and your pride ruin your real money. Put them guns down and run that money up. Make one of your homies sign up for security or concealed carry if you feel like you need it that bad. But you're the breadwinner. You got to start acting like it fair. Few days later, this man, Jack Jones, is caught trying to bring a loaded gun onto the plane that he was traveling.
Like, how does that the the claim is that he didn't know that it was in there, that somebody packed his bags for him, which even if that's the case, I mean, I get it. You have a lot of money. There's a lot of people that do things for you. How do you not at least check the bag that's going on the plane with you? Like to say, hey, what's in here?
[01:03:32] Speaker A: Still your responsibility.
[01:03:33] Speaker B: Yeah, still your responsibility. And then on top of that, not to get too far into the weeds with this thing, but it came out that the lawyer tried to claim she immediately came out and played like, a hard race card and said, everybody's painting him as this thug is the word that she used over and over again. But it's like you brought a gun onto a plane, man.
Black, white, it doesn't matter. There's no really getting around that. Like, you brought a gun onto a plane, man.
[01:04:02] Speaker A: Here's my thing.
[01:04:03] Speaker B: Or try to at least when I'm.
[01:04:04] Speaker A: Standing in line at TSA and they bring the drug dogs out, I'm like, do I have meth on me? Maybe? Is there cocaine?
[01:04:13] Speaker B: Somebody put meth on.
[01:04:15] Speaker A: Like, I start freaking out because, did.
[01:04:17] Speaker B: Ronnie Jams paint me with meth?
[01:04:20] Speaker A: Is it possible someone put something in my bag? Am I going to get in trouble? It makes me feel nervous, even though I didn't do anything wrong.
You can't play the I had no idea card, because I don't buy it, because the flying is a totally different experience today than it was 1525 years ago.
[01:04:42] Speaker B: Well, here's the kicker on the whole you mentioned that. Here's the kicker on this whole story for Jack Jones is he plays for the patriots. So he was flying out of Massachusetts. Massachusetts is one of the strictest states for these types of gun laws and aviation laws. So they're talking about going after him for the max, which is potentially 30 years in prison. He's got a lot more problems than just trying to figure out how to get which he already made bail, but how to make bail and plan his next steps, like, they're talking about, are the Patriots going to cut him? It might not matter.
He might be in jail. This might be not the same thing, but it might be another Aaron Hernandez situation where he's in jail. It doesn't matter.
[01:05:22] Speaker A: Just bad luck all around. Yeah. And look, I think this is another perfect example of social media culture run amok and, like, influencer influencer culture run amok. Because no, if you're getting influenced by me, you're doing it wrong.
[01:05:45] Speaker B: Kenny Thunder should influence no one, but just this.
[01:05:49] Speaker A: What is the reason why? Especially in the John Morrit case. But this isn't an isolated this happens over and over and over again with these athletes and even the celebrities that just do dumb shit. And it's like, man, the people that wouldn't give their left testicle to be in your shoes. And just a cautionary tale, too, to young kids out there that want to be John Morant, the next Morant, don't do this. Clean up your social media. Don't be putting anything out there that you wouldn't want your mother or your grandmother to see.
[01:06:22] Speaker B: And just don't do things like this.
[01:06:25] Speaker A: You can't do it, but you certainly can't do it on social media.
[01:06:30] Speaker B: Well, the best part is when that first video came out, when he got in trouble, is he unfollowed the guy that posted it and stuff. It's like, that guy's not the problem.
[01:06:38] Speaker A: Right?
[01:06:40] Speaker B: But anyways, I digress. Speaking of other clowns, antonio Brown, in case anyone didn't know, was an owner of an Arena Football League team for about three months. And then just the last week or two, it was announced that his team got kicked out of the National Arena Football League because he could not make, you know, Antonio Brown just out there doing Antonio Brown clown things.
[01:07:05] Speaker A: I mean, was there no due diligence done on his ownership stake?
[01:07:09] Speaker B: Apparently not. I think they probably were starstruck by, like, we could have a big name attached to something in their Arena Football. I don't know. But moving on, the Golden Knights are world champs in the NHL.
[01:07:20] Speaker A: It's your favorite hockey, Kenny.
[01:07:23] Speaker B: Kenny chose the who'd. You choose? Nashville.
[01:07:26] Speaker A: I didn't just choose them. I like the city of Nashville, and hockey is big there, and I think that it's neat.
[01:07:37] Speaker B: He thinks it's really neat.
[01:07:39] Speaker A: I think the relationship that city has with this hockey team is neat to me. They feel the same way about the predators that people in Cleveland feel about the Browns.
[01:07:47] Speaker B: That's fair.
[01:07:48] Speaker A: And I just love Nashville.
[01:07:49] Speaker B: The Golden Knights, to be fair, have a pretty I'm not really a Golden Knights fan. I just think it's pretty cool that they literally just started, like, three years ago and they won a championship.
[01:07:57] Speaker A: Well, and so I think that's the one thing I'll say about the NHL did this kind of didn't when you think about when the Browns came back.
[01:08:05] Speaker B: To the league, they royally screwed us.
[01:08:07] Speaker A: And then any team, really. I mean, Jacksonville, we're going to start.
[01:08:10] Speaker B: You at the bottom, and you got to work your way up.
[01:08:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, these ownership groups aren't great. The players that they end up getting in these expansion drafts aren't know the NHL has at least a formula that allows a team to grow and win right out of the gate, which does nothing but grow your fan base in your sport, which is the right way to do it.
[01:08:28] Speaker B: Well, there's a lot of Golden Knights fans out there already. They're one of the most popular teams in the NHL, which I mean, front runners, sure, but there's a lot of guys, like, when they talk about them, they're this is I was excited when this team came about, and I'm diehard from the beginning. Like we're going full bore into this thing.
[01:08:44] Speaker A: Well, Las Vegas is one of those towns that didn't everybody wants to be.
[01:08:47] Speaker B: In Las Vegas right now. We're not even really going to talk about that. But I mean, the Oakland A's are on their way.
Uh, well, for a long time, they.
[01:08:54] Speaker A: Didn'T have any sports at Mean. Now they're gonna have all starving.
[01:08:57] Speaker B: Every league is rushing to have a team go to Las Vegas. Especially now that a lot of these leagues are softening on their position of having a team in.
I mean, speaking of all these different leagues that we're getting, we're getting a lot of shit today on the Burning River Rundown. We're really getting into the weeds. It's the, uh let's talk about the Major League Soccer, baby. Lionel Messi to inner Miami. What's? Inner Miami? Inner Miami. Instead of Barcelona, which, by the way, he could have signed, barcelona was backed by the Saudis, and he could have got three or one I'm sorry, $1.6 billion over three years. Like, just think about that number. That's just absolutely fucking wild at 35 years old. Yeah. He's at the tail end of his career. He's still one of the greats, don't get me wrong. He still brings it day in and day out on a soccer pitch.
[01:09:55] Speaker A: On the pitch.
[01:09:56] Speaker B: But the dude is 35 years old. They were going to give him 1.6 billion over three years. Instead, he took the deal with Inter Miami, which again, I don't understand what Inter Miami means, but why aren't they.
[01:10:06] Speaker A: Just the Miami soccer club?
[01:10:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. But anyways, listen to this stuff that goes along into his contract. I mean, it's just wild. He gets a portion of the subscriptions for the soccer league pass or whatever it's called on Apple TV.
[01:10:20] Speaker A: That's not just inner Miami.
[01:10:23] Speaker B: People subscribe to this for the entire league.
[01:10:25] Speaker A: He literally signed a NFL sunday ticket.
[01:10:28] Speaker B: Yeah, he signed a contract to go to Inner Miami, but he signed a contract with the It's. It's wild. He also gets a portion of all Adidas Merch sold for the league.
I'll say that again. He gets a portion of all Adidas Merch sold for the league.
[01:10:47] Speaker A: Not just with his name on the back.
[01:10:49] Speaker B: No, all of it like a T shirt for different It. I'll take my cut and then it's oh, not rumored he'll get the chance to own a Major League Soccer team when he retires. I know that at first it was rumored that they would cut him a deal, kind of like they did David Beckham when he came over. And he actually owns Miami, interestingly enough.
But it's going to be more along the lines of, we'll give you the opportunity to buy a team, but it's going to be like normal price. Yeah, David Beckham bought it for pennies on the dollar.
[01:11:22] Speaker A: This is the type of deal that Michael Jordan took with Nike. Right? It's one of those that's bigger than like, just give me cash now. This is cash.
[01:11:32] Speaker B: Yeah. 1.6 billion over three years is phenomenal. In the long run, he's thinking for his entire life.
[01:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah. So, look, I think this is one of the most interesting sports stories to happen this year, because if you are LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes or any top tier star in any league, Steph Curry, when do these other leagues, when do they have to start paying guys like that this way? Because this is totally different and would screw everything up.
[01:12:07] Speaker B: You imagine if somebody in the NFL got a cut of like, all merchandise?
[01:12:11] Speaker A: Yeah, but is that they coming?
[01:12:13] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[01:12:15] Speaker A: And maybe not in the NFL because of the salary cap implications, even though that seems to get softer.
[01:12:19] Speaker B: MLB, maybe they don't have a salary every year.
[01:12:21] Speaker A: And what happens when we've talked a little bit about this on the show before. What happens when a Saudi backed group comes and buys the Cleveland Guardians and they want to pay every they just want the top nine players in baseball. They're going to get major billion dollars. What do you think about that?
[01:12:36] Speaker B: There's no salary cap in baseball. They can literally do whatever they want. Saudis, if you're listening, I am all for you coming in and just wrecking the league. But do it with the Guardians, please, because it would be dope, like, literally go out and get the best players in baseball. Pay them all a billion dollars.
[01:12:51] Speaker A: But the only way to fight back against that is stuff like this. But baseball is a freaking disaster. With their revenue share. They can't even figure out how to put games on TV right now.
[01:12:59] Speaker B: That's true. That whole story is something else that's like so much to get into that I just don't even want to talk about it on our show. Because you could talk for hours just about how Bali Sports and that whole thing went down and how ridiculous it is that we're still dealing with it months after Bali Sports submitted for just it's insane.
[01:13:22] Speaker A: It's not done.
[01:13:23] Speaker B: No, but you did mention the Saudis.
[01:13:26] Speaker A: I did, yeah.
[01:13:27] Speaker B: Yes. So my next topic here is actually live golf and PGA merger, which is a big deal, obviously. The Saudi backed live golf and the PGA have been button heads for months, button heads for about a year, actually. It's just been a lot of back and forth, a lot of mudslinging. The players all mad at each other for taking the money, not taking the money, being hypocrites, whatever the case may be. Everybody's mad at everybody. It was just fucking, you know, in the middle of the night, one night, Jay Monahan gets his guys together and says, you know what? We're going to cut a deal with the Saudis. We've been telling the entire PGA Tour, don't take the money. You don't want that money. It's blood money.
[01:14:08] Speaker A: Blood money.
[01:14:08] Speaker B: You don't want that money. Don't take the money.
[01:14:10] Speaker A: And they've been so hard to guess what to advertise their way out of that, to talk their way out of it.
[01:14:15] Speaker B: But guess what? We're going to take the money.
[01:14:17] Speaker A: We're going to take the money.
[01:14:18] Speaker B: We're going to take the money. So, I mean, some of the PGA Players have come out and basically said, like, yeah, I feel completely disrespected. How can you not completely slighted, betrayed. Yeah. A lot of words have been thrown around, and I think the best example of it, actually, was Rory. Rory was kind of the poster boy of like, no, we're fighting this.
[01:14:38] Speaker A: We're not even Tiger to an extent.
[01:14:40] Speaker B: But he was kind of in the background because he hasn't played as much. So Rory's in the forefront every week getting asked about this, and every week he's telling him, no, we don't like the live guys. They sold out, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. Don't take the money. That's bad money, blah. He was very outspoken about it, and then when they asked him about this whole thing, he was just kind of like, yeah, I mean, I don't really know how you don't feel like you or a lamb led to slaughter.
[01:15:01] Speaker A: Well, yeah, especially Rory, because Rory is one of the top names.
[01:15:05] Speaker B: Rory could have made, like, close to a billion dollars. Like Tiger Woods. It's reported that they legitimately offered him a billion dollars. Yeah.
[01:15:11] Speaker A: They offered him the messy deal. They offered him, like, one in three or something. Ridiculous.
[01:15:15] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, it's just wild.
If I'm the PGA tour guys, I'm pissed right now.
[01:15:22] Speaker A: You have to be. And if you're one of those guys that when guys like Rory said no, and the Saudi group had to go to the Plan B Players. If you're one of those guys what's his name? There's a number of them that weren't like the top tier, but they ended up Brooks Kepka's brother, literally only brought.
[01:15:42] Speaker B: On because he's Brooks Kepka's brother. Pretty good at golf.
[01:15:45] Speaker A: Those guys got to be like you.
[01:15:47] Speaker B: Actually mentioned something pretty wild, though. So you mentioned like, the Saudis and using that money to attract other people. What happens when Arabia in the fund or whatever asks somebody that's really good at golf from a different sport, say like Steph Curry or somebody like that? They're like, hey, we're going to give you a billion and a half dollars to come play golf.
[01:16:10] Speaker A: Well, yeah.
[01:16:10] Speaker B: What happens?
[01:16:12] Speaker A: They probably go play golf.
[01:16:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I would, I'm just saying that would be wild.
Just in his prime, he's like, I'm out. I'm going to go play golf.
[01:16:21] Speaker A: I mean, the amount of money, I.
[01:16:23] Speaker B: Mean, he's involved with like what's it called, a holy moly or whatever.
[01:16:27] Speaker A: The amount of money the Saudis have to disrupt conventional structures that have been in place for a long time is astronomical. And whether you believe that it's blood money or not, it's obviously already rocking the sports world. So it'll be interesting to see over the next few years, do we see more deals like the Messi deal? Do we see that happening in other sports, or do we see Saudi backed group come into a conventional establishment? MLB, NBA I think the only hope.
[01:17:04] Speaker B: That the MLB, NFL, NBA, all these things have is the fact that they vote on owners and ownership groups before.
[01:17:14] Speaker A: And is there opportunity for the Saudis to just create their own leagues and maybe not?
[01:17:20] Speaker B: That's something I think something like football.
[01:17:22] Speaker A: Would be hard to duplicate right away. But if you started with something like tennis or soccer, you might be able to get some of those kinds of teams and attract top talent to some of those teams.
[01:17:36] Speaker B: Basketball, you offer everybody three years, 1.6 billion, you're going to get quite a few top tier talent.
[01:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, basketball, you only got what, twelve guys on a team or whatever, that wouldn't be hard to do.
So I just find the whole thing really interesting. I find the live golf thing especially interesting because Jay Monahan made such a.
[01:17:55] Speaker B: Happens to be sick right now. Something happened and he's stepping away due to health issues, which is unbelievable timing.
[01:18:01] Speaker A: Depression, because just nothing worked out the way he thought.
[01:18:04] Speaker B: It destroyed as soon as this happened.
[01:18:06] Speaker A: Overplayed his hand and couldn't see the forest through the trees, and good for him. He's one of those guys when we think about golf and Ronnie and I have I don't want to go way down a rabbit hole here, we think about golf.
[01:18:18] Speaker B: Please don't.
[01:18:18] Speaker A: The gatekeepers of golf, the stodgy old guard of golf that makes people not want to play golf today. He's one of those guys golf needs to be for it to survive in the future and thrive in the future. A game of inclusivity that brings everybody to the table. It can't be the future.
[01:18:38] Speaker B: You can't be stuck in your old ways.
[01:18:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And the thing is, what's funny is that all these PGA guys were saying before live golf existed, they were complaining about some of the things, the rulings and things in the yeah, Phil phil.
[01:18:53] Speaker B: Was the leader of it. Phil was trying to say, like, look, I know I'm kind of an old school golfer. I'm an older guy, but I also know that the golfers themselves are getting screwed.
[01:19:02] Speaker A: This whole thing, 100%.
[01:19:03] Speaker B: It's ridiculous that the people in the PGA, high up in the PGA are taking home the paychecks. They are. And the players are not being included in this. We're the ones that bring all the fans to the stands, yet somehow we're being cut out of so much money, and there needs to be a better way. And he got destroyed for making that known and for saying that basically he.
[01:19:26] Speaker A: Lost all the sponsorships and everything, and.
[01:19:28] Speaker B: For saying that he understands that there's some baggage that comes with signing a live deal, but that he was doing it anyways to stand up for the fellow player.
The crazy thing is, now that this has all gone down, pretty much, you give it, I'd say about six months from now, phil's narrative is going to be completely flipped. And once again, he's the hero of golf.
[01:19:52] Speaker A: Yeah, Phil and Greg Norman are, like, coming out clean on this thing, because now that the PJs cave, because they.
[01:19:57] Speaker B: Saw the future, right. They didn't sit back and say, and Greg Norman was the ultimate leader of this whole thing way back when, when he said, no, I'm not going to put up with the same shit that the players have put up with for so long.
[01:20:10] Speaker A: Right.
Look, I don't know whether it's a good thing or not to have Saudi money and everything, but for the people that say that's blood money and you shouldn't do business with the, like, are you going to revoke your US. Citizenship? Because where do you think the oil comes from that's in your car?
[01:20:29] Speaker B: Let's stick with sports. I mean, we love LeBron James on this program, but LeBron James is sponsored by Nike. Nike shoes are made by people getting slave labor. Yeah. Literally. Pennies on the dollar in Indonesia, putting your shoes together, china, sweatshops, all kind it's easy to stand there and say, the Saudis, it's the whole problem. But when you get into all the lesser deals that are done that make up the overall pile of money that all of these sports groups have, there's blood money everywhere.
[01:21:03] Speaker A: And that's the thing, right, is that especially when it comes to big business, so many of the biggest businesses in the world are intertwined to work together and have contracts with each other. It's why the boycot thing is so hard, because you can't just go like, well, I'm going to boycot McDonald's. Okay? Well, you're going to boycot McDonald's. You're boycotting KFC and Chipotle.
[01:21:22] Speaker B: They don't care.
[01:21:23] Speaker A: Hearing about the Bud Light controversy, that they're like, well, I'm going to drink Stella. It's like, well, they're also owned by ABN Bev. So just giving the same guy your money. Good for you.
[01:21:32] Speaker B: Good job. Sorry, I got to move us along. We can get really into golf because Kenny and I, that's where our backgrounds come from as far as actual professions. So we can get really into golf. But I'm going to move us along. Could talk about live golf all day. We'll pick this up next time. Talk a little bit more about it. But next up, the XFL announced that they lost $60 million in their first year. And I saw a lot of people talking about this like this was a big deal. Like, AHA, the Dwayne, the Rock Johnson just hit rock bottom. You get it? Because they lost $60 million and he put all his money in this basket. First of all, you obviously don't know what Dwayne the Rock Johnson is involved in because he's the highest paid actor in Hollywood. And Teramana is the best selling spirit of all time.
[01:22:18] Speaker A: Have you not seen Ballers?
[01:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah, there's that. But no, seriously, Teramana, if he did nothing else but Teramana, that's going to give him enough money to be filthy rich for the rest of his.
[01:22:33] Speaker A: He'S. The way he's built that company, too, is genius because it's something in. So it has to be everything's done. Tequila.
[01:22:41] Speaker B: The only place that you can make tequila is Mexico. Fun fact. So tequila is to Mexico what bourbon is to the United States.
[01:22:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just about for him, like marketing and who better to market it than him, right?
[01:22:55] Speaker B: And the people that are saying a $60 million loss in their first year for the XFL is bad, you obviously don't know business because a business that big, $60 million is actually a lot less than I thought it was going to be.
[01:23:06] Speaker A: When you think about this year in general, I mean, look at these big businesses, facebook, big banks, insurance companies are slashing 50, 00 10,000 employees every other week because they're taking on losses. I mean, the economy is not good right now. So for a startup league to have losses in its first year, I think is expected. If you went and bought a pizza shop tomorrow, you'd probably have losses in your first year. It would be two or three years where you made any money.
[01:23:33] Speaker B: That's exactly what I was going to say, is like, it's a fledgling football league, like national football League, for lack of a better, like, it's business as that's that's a normal didn't I didn't.
[01:23:47] Speaker A: Get super into the XFL this year, but I wouldn't say that. I never would because I do like the idea of having options, about having.
[01:23:57] Speaker B: Kind of approaching it as they're loosely affiliated with the NFL and it's almost. Like a farm system. To me, that makes it more interesting.
[01:24:04] Speaker A: And that's the thing, is, I think right now, let's say conservatively, you know, just from following sports for the last ten years, conservatively, 70% of the guys on every NFL roster. You could probably guess which school they went to and get most of them right.
The XFL doesn't have that kind of that intimate knowledge of who are these guys? Where they come from.
[01:24:33] Speaker B: XFL, for the most part, is the 30% that you don't know on NFL teams.
[01:24:37] Speaker A: But when people start to get to know them and you start to have stories with them and you start to go, this guy got kicked out of all these different schools and then did great here when those stories come to light.
[01:24:48] Speaker B: Taking less money because he wanted his kids to be able to see him play.
[01:24:52] Speaker A: The XL was fortunate to snag AJ. Because of stories like that, and then.
[01:24:57] Speaker B: He went out and absolutely freaking killed it. Now, in case anyone was wondering, every iteration of the XFL, AJ McCarron leads, like, every QB statistical category that ever existed. So it's a great story for that. But yeah, I just wanted to point that out. That's not a big loss for the XFL. The Rock is going to be just fine. He could literally write a check for that tomorrow and not even feel it.
[01:25:19] Speaker A: If The Rock wanted to make $60 million, he would call Vince one more time and say, vince, give me I'm.
[01:25:24] Speaker B: Going to do one.
[01:25:25] Speaker A: Give me WrestleMania next year.
[01:25:27] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. So moving on here, the Lions unveiled a new alternate helmet. Did you see this?
[01:25:33] Speaker A: Yeah, the blue with the lion on it with the squares behind it.
[01:25:39] Speaker B: Did you like it?
[01:25:40] Speaker A: I don't hate it. Look, I'm a fan of, you know, the story behind, um, I don't know.
[01:25:46] Speaker B: So it's basically a modified Ford Mustang logo because they're the Motor City.
[01:25:52] Speaker A: Makes sense.
[01:25:53] Speaker B: That's what they were paying homage to. So me, I'm actually a huge, like, as far as cars go, I really like, especially the classic Ford Mustangs. So I thought it was really cool the way that they did it. They unveiled it with, like, a Mustang, drove out, and then they pulled the helmet out of a Mustang, and it was like a 69 fastback Mustang or something that pulled out, and they pulled.
[01:26:14] Speaker A: The I'll give you a fastback. Thank you.
[01:26:17] Speaker B: But yeah, I really like it, and I think that Matte look with that blue is pretty.
[01:26:22] Speaker A: So, yeah, look, I'm a fan of throwbacks. I'm a fan of keeping know, mix it up a little bit. I wish the NFL would do more than that. The NFL has gotten stale, I think, in the last few years.
[01:26:32] Speaker B: What are the Browns going to get.
[01:26:33] Speaker A: Our alternate helmet with their jersey policies? Because they've been, like, too stodgy with it, where it's like, open it up a little bit. You don't got to go crazy to.
[01:26:45] Speaker B: That point, though they did, like, this is part of the new thing is they never allowed an alternate helmet up until a couple of years ago.
[01:26:50] Speaker A: So that's what I'm saying. I'm a huge supporter of this.
[01:26:52] Speaker B: I think I can't wait for the Browns white alternate helmet, by the way.
[01:26:55] Speaker A: You have to be somewhere in between the NBA and the NFL. The NFL for a long time was like, no, we're not really going to do throwbacks unless it's a really special occasion.
[01:27:06] Speaker B: Jersey.
[01:27:06] Speaker A: We have a different jersey every week. No one knows what colors they're wearing or what colors they are supposed to be. Like, the Cavs had like, a powder blue and brown and white. I don't even know what that was this year. So the NFL needs to find a happy medium between what the NBA has done and what they've done for a long time. Just because, first off, you only have 17 games, so you can't go crazy anyways. But I don't know why from a merchandising perspective, you go to these sites and you go to any NFL teams club site, and they've got Salute to Service jerseys, they've got alternate Greg Decal jerseys, they've got throwback jerseys.
Never on the field. So I don't understand.
[01:27:49] Speaker B: I don't get it either. Seems like a huge market. Hopefully a few more teams unveil alternates, like I said, including the Browns. I really want the white ones from way back in the day. I think that would be a really cool alternate helmet for the Browns.
[01:27:59] Speaker A: Sure.
[01:28:01] Speaker B: Next up here, Tyreek Hill.
Is it Bajan?
[01:28:07] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:28:07] Speaker B: Bajon Robinson revealed their top five running back lists this past week. Not sure why anybody asked them about their top five running back lists, but they did, and Jim Brown was not on either of them. So I don't even care. I have the graphic if you want me to send out to you so you can put up there. I don't even care what their top five was.
[01:28:29] Speaker A: Their top five is null and void.
[01:28:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's completely null and void. And their opinion on running backs is completely invalid to me because how do you not put Jim Brown in your top five? Literally, he's not only considered the best running back of all time in most football circles, he's considered the best football player of all time.
[01:28:48] Speaker A: I'll tell you how. And it's just a matter of rookie. And Tyreek is young. They just don't have any, to be fair, respect for the way the game used to be.
[01:29:00] Speaker B: Especially for Bijon Robinson. He's young enough. He hasn't even been in the league or anything. He hasn't learned any history.
[01:29:07] Speaker A: I don't even know why anybody's even talking to him about it.
[01:29:10] Speaker B: Because he is a running back and he went in the top six or whatever.
[01:29:12] Speaker A: He went, well, talk to me in ten years if he's still a top running back, he'll probably tell you.
[01:29:17] Speaker B: Jim brown's, the best running back of all time, but no excuse for Tyree kill. He's been around the league for a while. He should know these things.
[01:29:24] Speaker A: I mean, you're just trash now.
I would not even want to have a conversation with you if that's your take on anything in life. Jim brown isn't in the top five.
[01:29:36] Speaker B: What a shit take.
[01:29:38] Speaker A: You're just really a dumb person. Like your IQ might be 47 and someone helps you get dressed in the morning. And that's all I can say.
[01:29:44] Speaker B: Yeah, not a good look. Tyree kill and Bajon Robinson. Next up. Elon and old Zucks might have a cage match.
[01:29:51] Speaker A: This I'm saying.
[01:29:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Did you hear about went back and forth on Twitter and they had to use their own respective platforms. So old zuckerberg went at him on instagram stories, but they went back and forth and basically Elon said something about zuckerberg. Zuckerberg said, I'll fight you in a cage match or something. And they were like, okay, yeah, let's do it. And now there's speculation. People are talking about promoters actually getting involved with this. Dana white came out and said this would be fantastic.
[01:30:21] Speaker A: Dana white said it would be the biggest fight in the history of the world.
[01:30:24] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:30:25] Speaker A: And he's going to donate like 100% of the proceeds to some charity or something.
[01:30:29] Speaker B: I hope to God this happens, because not that you want to see a couple of old guys just beat up on each other, I guess. Zuckerberg is not that old.
[01:30:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, zuckerberg is not that old. And elon's not like in the greatest shape. He's kind of built like a soda cam.
He's not like fat, but he's not like in great shape.
[01:30:47] Speaker B: Old Elon musk, but like a soda can.
[01:30:50] Speaker A: I think he's like 51. And Zuck's like, I don't know, his late 30s. But Elon's got some size on him. He's got probably 40.
[01:30:57] Speaker B: It would be interesting. So Elon's got size, but zuckerberg, there's all this stuff about how he's been training in jujitsu or whatever.
[01:31:03] Speaker A: I think elon's also six one and Zuck's like five seven or five nine.
[01:31:07] Speaker B: It would be interesting. It would be really interesting. It'd be like we threw the weight classes out the window and we're hoping their skills speak for them.
Elon's going to be trying to throw like one awkward haymaker after another. And zuckerberg is going to be like, I got to get you on the ground and hopefully tap you out because.
[01:31:22] Speaker A: It'S the only way. That's right. Like Elon's just gonna be looking to just donkey.
[01:31:27] Speaker B: He's literally gonna be throwing like blind haymakers. I don't care.
It's over.
[01:31:32] Speaker A: Zuckerberg might not make it out of.
[01:31:33] Speaker B: We gotta see this. We gotta see this.
[01:31:36] Speaker A: I would definitely pay to see this if it happens. Who's your money on?
[01:31:41] Speaker B: Who's my money on? That's actually a really tough question. I think I'm going to go old zuck. Old zuckerberg. Zuckerberg's famous pick.
[01:31:52] Speaker A: I would hit the roof for Elon just because Elon has become such is.
[01:31:57] Speaker B: This our moment where we have debate, debate, broadcast? Like Shannon, we're just going to go at it? No. Zuckerberg is the better fighter. He knows jujitsu. He'll get him on the ground, ground and pound. And then he'll tap him out.
[01:32:11] Speaker A: Elon made PayPal.
[01:32:13] Speaker B: I lose. It's over for me.
[01:32:16] Speaker A: Elon has become such a cultural sensation. I almost think that he just enjoys that more now than being anything else.
[01:32:22] Speaker B: I think that's the whole reason he bought Twitter.
[01:32:24] Speaker A: Just the fact that he can say anything he wants now and people react to it. And now he's like, yeah, cage match. Sure. Let's do this.
Agree.
[01:32:34] Speaker B: I can't I hope this happens. Like I said, I would definitely pay money to see this. We might have like a watch party for this thing.
[01:32:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, it would be dope.
[01:32:43] Speaker B: But moving on, here final topic of the Burning River Rundown. John Goodman, the greatest American actor of all time.
[01:32:49] Speaker A: Greatest American actor of all time.
[01:32:51] Speaker B: Some pictures just came out of him this past week. And the dude is looking lean and mean, totally trim, almost unrecognizable. John Goodman. Good for you. Goodman.
[01:33:03] Speaker A: Kenny.
[01:33:04] Speaker B: Kenny, if John Goodman can do it, you can do it.
[01:33:09] Speaker A: I said I'm going to get a lap band put on before the Browns cruise. Before the Browns fan cruise.
[01:33:14] Speaker B: Get in shape.
[01:33:15] Speaker A: I'll be a whole different human. I'll just be half a human next year.
[01:33:18] Speaker B: Just get lipo. Just have them just suck it out. You're just like literally overnight, you're like, ha, look good.
[01:33:23] Speaker A: Oh, man.
Yeah. I don't know. I don't think insurance will cover.
[01:33:27] Speaker B: No, no.
[01:33:29] Speaker A: I think that's what they call an elective procedure.
[01:33:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, an argument could be made.
[01:33:34] Speaker A: An argument could be made, though, that John Goodman is the greatest American actor of all time.
[01:33:38] Speaker B: There's no argument.
[01:33:38] Speaker A: He disagree with that. You can fight me.
[01:33:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree.
[01:33:43] Speaker A: What's he looking why is he losing? I mean, the Righteous Gemstones doing that, well, they were like, john, if you just you could be a sexton.
[01:33:48] Speaker B: Have you watched Righteous Gemstones?
[01:33:50] Speaker A: I'm waiting. I gotta wait.
[01:33:51] Speaker B: You know, I know you.
Anybody else out there? I don't even even we're not sponsored by anybody that has anything to do with Righteous Gemstones. But go watch that show. It's funny AF, but yeah, that'll do it for the Burning River Rundown. I'm glad we got a John Goodman reference in here because I just love John Goodman, greatest American actor of all time. Can't say it enough, but yeah, that'll do it for the Burning River Rundown. Let's get into the Burning River sports, guys.
You look scared.
[01:34:28] Speaker A: I thought you were going to say something.
[01:34:29] Speaker B: Are you scared? No, Kenny's scared. All right. So don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on the hot take. Hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. We don't want that weak ass bullshit that you guys keep delivering week after week. I'm calling in for the Nick Chubb jersey.
[01:34:43] Speaker A: No, that's over.
[01:34:44] Speaker B: We gave it away. Jeff won.
[01:34:46] Speaker A: No. Cold takes.
[01:34:47] Speaker B: No.
We want to hear from Watson. Haters Watson lovers. We want to hear from Stefanski haters Stefanski lovers. Is Nick Chubb leaving after the season? Are we going to trade him? What's the deal? What's going on? Let us know who's going to win in a cage match. Elon Musk or Zuckerberg old Zuckerberg's famous pig? And we also want to know if you think John Goodman is the greatest American actor of all time, because again, if you don't, we will get fired up. We will put that on air and we will fight you.
[01:35:12] Speaker A: Yes, we'll fight you.
[01:35:14] Speaker B: So what is the number, Kenny?
[01:35:15] Speaker A: The number is 3302-2780-8033-0227-8080-3302-278 now.
[01:35:25] Speaker B: Operators are not standing by. We want hot takes. We want hot takes.
[01:35:31] Speaker A: We want hot takes.
[01:35:34] Speaker B: No hot takes.
[01:35:35] Speaker A: Hot takes.
[01:35:35] Speaker B: Hot takes.
[01:35:36] Speaker A: No cold takes.
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All right. Did you see the Nick Chubb prediction that came out this week?
[01:36:17] Speaker A: Yes, I did. Actually, I was listening live when this happened on Browns radio this week, and they asked Mr. Trey Wingo, who was just the latest in a long stretch of names that have been asked about running backs in the NFL.
[01:36:31] Speaker B: Well, especially with all the Dalvin Cook news going on, it's a hot topic.
[01:36:34] Speaker A: Right now when Dalvin Cook, Zeke Elliott, and a number of other kind of high profile names out there. Right now, the running back has never been more flush with talent, but no one's being signed because of that.
[01:36:49] Speaker B: It's supply and demand. There's a lot of supply, so the demand is low.
And nobody's paying money for these things. These running backs, they got to.
[01:36:57] Speaker A: But what's so interesting to me is you can't tell me that it's not an advantage to have a good running back on your team. Even if you have some decent, capable committee of younger guys that are fast and have some different skills. Maybe someone's a good pass blocker one's, a good pass catcher you still can't tell me that having a guy that can do all of those things and.
[01:37:19] Speaker B: Churn clock, having a dalvin cook or a nick chubb on your team doesn't improve your team.
[01:37:22] Speaker A: Doesn't improve your team. I mean, a Dalvin Cook one is my Zeke is older and has been slowing down for a while.
[01:37:28] Speaker B: I understand throughout his career, he's hit kind of speed bumps where he's had like down seasons or whatever.
[01:37:33] Speaker A: Cook's coming off of another really good year.
[01:37:36] Speaker B: I don't think he's had a bad season other than when he's been hurt. He was hurt earlier in his career. But, I mean, he's been but since he's played, he's been phenomenal.
[01:37:42] Speaker A: He's been way better than I thought he ever was going to be in the NFL.
[01:37:45] Speaker B: He's been like a top five running back for like four years in a row.
[01:37:48] Speaker A: I didn't think much of him coming out, and he's been incredibly impressive, but can't get paid. And I think it just speaks to the bigger question of like, a for us, what happens with Nick Chubb?
[01:37:58] Speaker B: Which again, that's where the discussion came in. They asked Trey Wingo, they said, what do you think will happen with Nick Chubb going forward as we're seeing these things unfold with Dalvin Cook? And basically Trey Wingo's prediction was, yeah, they're parting ways with Nick Chubb after this season. It's an easy call. It's when he's going to still have value. It's before his contract is up. They're going to trade him away and somebody else going to sign him. Long term, it's just what's going to happen?
[01:38:26] Speaker A: Unless we want him and just part ways with them anyway, they just cut.
[01:38:30] Speaker B: Him and we don't want to pay him. We'll just cut him and somebody else gets it's.
[01:38:35] Speaker A: It's so bizarre to you know, I was actually just thinking we were talking about this earlier even before the like, what's the solution here? Because the NFL running back is still an important part of the game. I think you would have to be dumb to think you can just pass the ball and not have a solid running game and be a good team. In the NFL. You have to be able to move the chains.
No doubt.
It's interesting. So how do you balance that with the CBA, with the salary cap, knowing that these guys take more punishment than anyone else, that every time they get hit, it's like being in a car accident, but also balance back. They're incredibly valuable while they're that good, it's the drop off, right. Le'Veon Bell was really good until it's.
[01:39:27] Speaker B: A fascinating thing with sports in general is you're paid for what you did in previous years versus what you do for a team.
[01:39:35] Speaker A: Except for a running back.
[01:39:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Seriously though, except for a running back, they're the only ones that it feels like everybody looks at them. Like in Dalvin Cook's situation, you're 26 or 27 or whatever you are. You're getting close to 30 and we don't know if we want to pay top dollar for a running back.
[01:39:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Here's a guy that's going to rush probably for 1600 yards. Like, you're telling me that's not valuable enough for you? He's a guy that could probably rush 1600 yards in 20.
[01:40:04] Speaker B: What I don't get is there's all these people like, well, yeah, we could do running back by committee though. Okay, well, what are you paying the committee? Because you could pay one guy to do what all of them do.
[01:40:14] Speaker A: I guess it's just so bizarre to me and the more that I thought about the solution, I actually come up with one.
[01:40:22] Speaker B: What is it?
[01:40:23] Speaker A: And I think the solution lies in college football of all places.
[01:40:27] Speaker B: What is it?
[01:40:28] Speaker A: Well, I think the game of football has slowly evolved from the college game to the NFL game to where we've seen read option shotgun air rate offenses. Right.
What's driving that and what I see driving that is the preference to given to conferences like the SEC, meaning all of your playoff and bowl games housed either in neutral sites where they can play air rate offense and speed game on turf.
I think the great equalizer would be start having these playoff.
Let's bring Alabama to the shoe in December and let them play. Because all of a sudden a great running back in the developmental stages of the game is required to beat a team like Alabama because they won't be able to run the ball the same way you can. Maybe the Alabama might, but some of these other teams that just totally rely on an air raid system and a guy that can fling it around a little bit, like put them in the snow and the rain in November and December and make them win.
[01:41:38] Speaker B: I mean, it's an interesting concept for sure, but I think you're right on as far as it's just the way the game is going and evolving and it seems almost intentional that we want to fastest surface possible there's a fight right now over turf or grass.
They want to do everything they possibly can to create more offense. And the best way to do that is what happens when there's an incomplete pass clock stops so the game's longer. You're able to complete more passes and get more yards and do all kinds of stuff and everything's geared towards that more offense and the way to achieve it is just more passing game.
[01:42:13] Speaker A: But then that's where I think it almost has to be this organic movement of like, let's play games on an equal playing field. Because all of a sudden the Big Ten competes a lot better against SEC schools if they got to come to freaking Indiana and Michigan in October, November and December when the weather's not nice.
[01:42:29] Speaker B: Especially the big ten. Most of those teams even nowadays are comparatively smash mouth football teams. They're built to run the ball and to run clock and teams like Ohio.
[01:42:41] Speaker A: State can compete because they get the best talent. But a lot of the rest of the Big Ten and some of the other schools still rely on scheme to beat you. They have to play good defense and they have to run the ball. But it's just a reality of the conference they play.
[01:42:53] Speaker B: I mean, hell, it's why half the games that Ohio State loses in the Big Ten or games like what you're talking about, yeah, they get beat by.
[01:42:58] Speaker A: Somebody that plays good defense, runs the ball.
[01:43:00] Speaker B: Shit, we just bet on talent. And we didn't realize that a team could be really good in the elements or be really good in scheme, and that's how they're beating us. And to your point, I think that's how it makes a comeback is we really need like there needs to be some big time teams, whether it's the NFL or the NCAA or whatever, win some championships on the back. Of heavy defense and running the ball and running clock and keeping the ball out of the hands of like a Patrick Mahomes or mean that's that's the only way to do it.
[01:43:34] Speaker A: Well, and I think that the NFL is a copycat league, right? So now everybody wants to do this and the Browns are included in this, right. We want to change the whole offense and go to the Deshaun Air Raid, brought in Deshaun Watson for a reason, and that's fine. But at some point, does it come back? Does the pendulum swing the other way where we go?
[01:43:51] Speaker B: I hope so.
[01:43:52] Speaker A: These games basically all now come down to because the talent is equal, right. In the NFL, you have parity like you don't have in other sports because of the salary cap, because of the way the draft works without having the lottery and all that. So generally, the bad teams get better every year, and the good teams have to really work hard to stay good. And so your talent level is as close in the NFL from team to team as you'll find. And all these games tend to come down to who has the ball last. Well, I think the problem is we've got to a point where an NFL team has proven now they can score in under a minute with relative ease, 13 seconds. Yeah, I mean, the Chiefs beat the Bills.
[01:44:33] Speaker B: A minute is no longer seconds to play.
[01:44:36] Speaker A: Like, you used to turn the ball over with three minutes left and go like, yeah, we feel pretty good with a four point lead. Now you're like, there could be three more lead changes, which, I mean, to.
[01:44:45] Speaker B: Be fair, it is exciting to watch, but at the same time, every once in a while, I would love to see a team.
[01:44:50] Speaker A: But if my goal is winning and I can control the clock and I can control the sticks, I feel like it has to almost swing the other way eventually, because the NFL is going to get so too far. One way so fast and lean and.
[01:45:05] Speaker B: Quick and have no answer for this other team that yeah, if somebody did.
[01:45:10] Speaker A: It differently, I'm never going to get the ball back. How am I going to score? Well, sorry, bro. I got Nick Chubb on my team.
He just runs the ball three yards.
[01:45:19] Speaker B: In a cloud of dust, except for Nick Chubb does way more than yeah.
[01:45:22] Speaker A: Which is 5.2 yards of carry.
[01:45:24] Speaker B: 5.2 yards in a cloud of dust.
[01:45:25] Speaker A: Give him the ball three times, it's a first down every time. You can't stop him.
[01:45:28] Speaker B: Can't stop it.
[01:45:29] Speaker A: So, yeah, I think that's actually where the solution lies, is I think college football has to adapt because what we've done now is we're starting to force the top athletes into other positions and roles. Nobody wants to be running back anymore because you're not going to get paid. It's the hardest on your body. But if the game changes to where running backs all of a sudden are valuable again, because they're necessary, because we're playing in the snow and the wind and the rain and the cold, and we don't just get to fling the ball all around when there's no wind and it's 80 degrees every day, it's a different game. That's what football is. So the game today more closely resembles Arena Football than it ever did the football of the well, let's be honest.
[01:46:11] Speaker B: I mean, it's just going more in that direction because every team wants to build a roof, including like I want a roof on Cleveland Stadium. I'll be honest with you.
[01:46:18] Speaker A: You have to if you're going to run an air rate offense.
[01:46:20] Speaker B: Well, not only that, but there's other things. Money is what drives everything, and there's money to be had football for stadiums, but that all plays into these air rate offenses because everybody wants to be indoors. So you can have the best possible conditions for other things, but that also gives you the best possible conditions for football. So the weather is less and less a part of the game.
And because of that, I mean, it's just going to keep going that direction for a while. So it will be interesting to see if a team or two or whatever can pull the NFL out of back into the run heavy, defense, heavy type style of play.
[01:46:57] Speaker A: Well, that's the thing, right? You have to just it's amazing to me, almost, that this unconventional wisdom or no one's really doing this or trying everybody just wants to run. It doesn't matter if they have Kirk.
[01:47:16] Speaker B: Cousins or Ryan, if you have the best running back in the league and Nick Chubb, you refuse to yeah, I know he was like third in the league in carries, but he probably should have been first by like 75 carries.
[01:47:27] Speaker A: And they probably would have won five more games.
[01:47:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I get all your arguments for why he shouldn't, and you want to say it's not that simple. It is that simple. Devin stefanski should have ran new chubb.
[01:47:37] Speaker A: You would have won five more games. If the Browns won five more games last year, what was their record?
[01:47:43] Speaker B: They would have been in the playoffs.
[01:47:43] Speaker A: They would have been one of the better teams in the seeding, right? I mean, they'd be pushing for a.
[01:47:47] Speaker B: First round by it is wild. It's crazy. I don't know that there's an actual fix for it. I mean, what you said is very interesting. I don't know if there's an actual fix for it. I don't know if we're ever going to see that style of football again on a regular basis.
[01:48:00] Speaker A: Well, the thing is, though, is that if they can't fix it in that obviously if everyone would just listen to me, every problem in the world would be solved, right?
[01:48:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:48:10] Speaker A: But in lieu of them not listening to me right now, the CBA almost has to do something to protect these players, specifically the running back, specifically. And I don't know what the right answer is because not all running backs are equal or drafted equally or even have the same skill sets.
[01:48:26] Speaker B: But John Robinson's, the highest paid running back in the league right now, in case you're wondering, because he was top six draft picker.
[01:48:31] Speaker A: Well, yeah, but he's the absolute outlier because people just don't draft running backs that high anymore. They've been burned over and over to.
[01:48:39] Speaker B: Me is so we've gone to this air raid thing that we're so far that way, now that the receivers are getting bigger contracts than running backs, you need far more receivers to field a team than you do running backs. Like why?
[01:48:53] Speaker A: And some of the best receivers, a good stat day for a receiver is six catches, 85 yards a touchdown. That's a good stat line.
[01:49:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
If they're like a bell cow running back, you want them at 100 yards, 20 carries, but they're touching the ball.
[01:49:12] Speaker A: 20 or 25 times. The gentleman like a receiver having a good game could touch the ball six times.
[01:49:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:49:18] Speaker A: And that guy's going to make three times with your running back. I don't really touch the ball six times.
[01:49:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
I don't know.
[01:49:26] Speaker A: It's such an ass backward way of doing things. And you feel bad for guys like Nick Chubb especially because well, and that's.
[01:49:33] Speaker B: Why everybody thought it was like such a hot take and gave us a bunch of shit about it when we first and granted, we did it kind of tongue in cheek and we said that Kevin Stefanik was going to be the one trading Nick Chubb. Obviously he doesn't make those decisions. We know.
I mean, we got a lot of shit for that take, for the fact that we said coming off of last season before everybody was talking about it. We said, Nick Chubb's days are numbered here in Cleveland because the writings on the wall with the way they do things with running backs, the way they do things across the league, it's just they're not going to keep him. And we brought in Deshaun Watson to be an air rate offense. We're not keeping Nick chubb. It's not happening.
[01:50:11] Speaker A: And we want to. Keep nick chubb.
[01:50:12] Speaker B: We love Nick Chubb.
[01:50:15] Speaker A: Nick Chubb is the best thing that's happened to the Cleveland Browns in my lifetime.
[01:50:19] Speaker B: I want him to retire Cleveland Brown, but he's not going to. He's got about a season left, and we'll be lucky if he makes it through this entire season. If we start I think you'll be extremely lucky because we start losing games, he's gone.
[01:50:28] Speaker A: And I think if there's a good team that needs a running back that feels like they are just that running back away, he's gone. They'll make a move for him because they'll get something back in return.
[01:50:37] Speaker B: It feels really bad, and I'm sad about it, but it's just facts.
[01:50:40] Speaker A: Yeah, the thought of Nick Chubb in another NFL jersey makes me sick. Sick.
[01:50:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Absolutely sick. So I don't want to talk about it anymore.
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So Kenny clipped a little bit there. What can we expect next week? Next week? Next week we are biweekly for the offseason, but we had to skip a week because of your baby.
Babies.
[01:51:42] Speaker A: Babies are the worst. So, yeah, we'll be back here, I guess, next week, skipping our biweekly offseason because of it'll.
[01:51:51] Speaker B: Be bi weekly after that, again, until.
[01:51:53] Speaker A: My recent child rearing. But we will be back here in two weeks. Or in one week. In one week. Sorry. With Browns News, Cavs News, Guardian, season updates and all things CLE. So, yeah, jump on in.
[01:52:08] Speaker B: Yes. Don't forget to check us out on social media. You can find tap in media on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at the tapin'media. And burning river sportscast. That's this podcast on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube at Burning River Sportscast and on Twitter at Burning River Pod. And you can also find our podcast wherever you get your podcasts. I'm talking Apple podcasts. Spotify. Google Podcasts. Amazon Music. Stitcher pandora. iHeartRadio Podcast Castro. Good pods and so many more. And do you know what that takes us to? Ken A.
[01:52:34] Speaker A: That takes us to facts for jail.
I got a fact for you.
[01:52:44] Speaker B: What is it?
[01:52:45] Speaker A: Who is the official podcast with Clue and brown screws the Burn River sports cat. Good one. You did it. You got one.
[01:52:52] Speaker B: Right.
[01:52:52] Speaker A: Finally.
[01:52:52] Speaker B: I did it. I knew that one.
[01:52:55] Speaker A: So let's just keep this train.
[01:52:57] Speaker B: I'm going to sign up for Jeopardy.
[01:52:58] Speaker A: Now let's keep this hell ride rolling. What percent of an atom is empty space?
[01:53:04] Speaker B: 99.
[01:53:04] Speaker A: 99.99% each atom.
[01:53:07] Speaker B: We were getting into the minutiae.
[01:53:09] Speaker A: No, I'm not saying you're wrong. You're right. The point is I knew another one. It's most all of it, right?
[01:53:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:53:15] Speaker A: Most of an atom is into empty space. So if you remove all the empty space from all the atoms that make up every human on Earth, the entire world's population can fit inside of an apple. Holy hell.
[01:53:27] Speaker B: That is a fact.
[01:53:31] Speaker A: You're basically made of empty space.
[01:53:33] Speaker B: What?
What are you, 99.9%?
[01:53:36] Speaker A: Air, empty space.
[01:53:38] Speaker B: Not even air. Just nothing. That's the wildest thing is it's not even air. It's literally just nothing. Because air is made up of atoms. It's literally just nothing.
[01:53:47] Speaker A: Nothing.
[01:53:48] Speaker B: 99.9% nothing is what you're made of.
[01:53:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And this table. So that's why this tell it like.
[01:53:54] Speaker B: Why can't I just bust through this? Not even bust through it. I should just be able to go through it.
[01:53:59] Speaker A: Through it.
[01:54:00] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:54:00] Speaker A: Weird science. Crazy. No wonder the apple is a forbidden fruit.
[01:54:07] Speaker B: The entire human population is in one.
[01:54:09] Speaker A: Speaking of the entire human population, more than 50% of the people in the entire world have not made or received a phone call.
[01:54:20] Speaker B: What?
What do you mean?
[01:54:24] Speaker A: Their lives are just as much simpler than ours.
You think there's 7 million people in the world, and you go like, yeah, everybody has a cell phone, but they really don't. Just like rich countries.
[01:54:34] Speaker B: It's just so commonplace here.
Yeah, it's got to be, like, 75% of the population.
[01:54:40] Speaker A: 50 years ago, we were building out booze with phones in them just for, like, if you're on a street and they'd make a phone call.
[01:54:45] Speaker B: Crazy times.
[01:54:45] Speaker A: But in the rest of the world, half people don't even know what a phone is.
[01:54:53] Speaker B: All right, next.
That's crazy.
[01:54:57] Speaker A: This is my favorite fact of the day. Oh, boy. We were just talking about child rearing and reproductive rights. Reproductive systems.
[01:55:05] Speaker B: I was wondering where you're going with that.
[01:55:08] Speaker A: To know when to mate.
A male giraffe will continuously headbutt a female giraffe in the bladder until she urinates.
[01:55:18] Speaker B: I knew this one.
[01:55:20] Speaker A: The males then taste the urine I.
[01:55:22] Speaker B: Didn'T know that part.
[01:55:23] Speaker A: Which helps determine whether the female is ovulating and whether or not they want to smash.
[01:55:27] Speaker B: What?
You mean to tell me they're just, like, pee on the ground so I could taste it?
What?
Can you imagine if humans did? That?
[01:55:42] Speaker A: Sounds good.
[01:55:44] Speaker B: Let me taste that real quick.
You taste like you're ready to smash.
[01:55:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[01:55:50] Speaker B: Oh, my God. What?
[01:55:52] Speaker A: Apparently, the giraffes are really religious. They only made to procreate. That's all I can say.
[01:55:57] Speaker B: Emily's gonna be mad next time.
Why are you headbutting me?
[01:56:04] Speaker A: Right.
[01:56:04] Speaker B: I gotta know. I gotta know. Is it time?
[01:56:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:56:09] Speaker B: So get ready, Emily. The next time that if we decide that we want another child I will.
[01:56:14] Speaker A: Be headbutting your bladder there you go.
[01:56:16] Speaker B: Until you pee.
[01:56:19] Speaker A: And thus concludes facts for days. And from here, this is Kenny Thunder reminding you not to just be a part of the problem, but to be the whole damn problem.
[01:56:30] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
[01:56:36] Speaker A: Burning river sports cast.
[01:56:37] Speaker B: Burning bears. Is it weird that I'm wearing my own shirt? I feel like a wrestler.
[01:56:41] Speaker A: I'll wear your shirt. You wear my shirt.
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[01:56:44] Speaker B: Nah, not next time.
[01:56:44] Speaker A: Not next time.
[01:56:45] Speaker B: Maybe eventually.
[01:56:46] Speaker A: You know what we will be next time?
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[01:57:12] Speaker C: What do you say when we interview you?
[01:57:14] Speaker A: All right. Yes. That's a sometimes useful exercise. Please put your hand down. Go ahead. How much money do you make a year before taxes?
I'm actually not comfortable answering that. Come on, we're doing the interview now, not you.
[01:57:29] Speaker C: Oh, the Browns Fan cruise and the Burning River sports cast. What better combination could you possibly think of?
[01:57:35] Speaker A: I can't think of one.
[01:57:37] Speaker B: Can't think of a single one.
[01:57:38] Speaker A: I am Utrit. Son of Utred.
Utrit. Son of Utred. You will be Utred, son of Utred ice. The son of another. Utred and another. But I am Utred, son of Utre.
[01:57:53] Speaker B: Can you imagine if humans did that?
[01:58:00] Speaker A: Sounds good.
[01:58:02] Speaker B: Let me taste that real quick.
You taste like you're ready to smash.
[01:58:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I desperately want to make love to a schoolboy.
[01:58:11] Speaker B: You mean to tell me they're just like, pee on the ground so I could taste it?
What? It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
Oh, my God. What?
[01:58:24] Speaker A: Apparently, the giraffes are really religious. They only made to procreate erroneous.
[01:58:28] Speaker B: Erroneous on both counts.
[01:58:30] Speaker A: That's all I can say.
[01:58:31] Speaker B: Emily's gonna be mad next time.
Why are you headbutting me? Right?
[01:58:39] Speaker A: The leads are weak.
[01:58:41] Speaker B: Leads are weak.
[01:58:42] Speaker A: Fucking leads are weak.
[01:58:44] Speaker B: You are weak. I got to know. I got to know. Is it time?
[01:58:49] Speaker A: Motorboat. You play the motorboat, you motorboat son of a bitch.
[01:58:54] Speaker B: You old sailor.
[01:58:57] Speaker A: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see?
[01:59:00] Speaker B: So tequila is to Mexico what bourbon is to the United States.
[01:59:04] Speaker A: Okay, so the scarce environment matchable. Thanks.
[01:59:07] Speaker B: That's all you gotta say?
[01:59:08] Speaker A: Scarce environment imaginable.
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