Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Ronnie Jams: Tapping media.
[00:00:22] Kenny Thunder: It's time.
Time for the Burning River Sportscast. I'm having a really hard time of late truly understanding the expectations of the com man. We've watched bad football teams in Cleveland for decades. And why do we watch even when we know they are bad? Because we still have hope. Hope that these are professionals, both coaches and players, that they are working really hard to improve and to change the outcome. And we all reach the same conclusion. Even though this team is bad, there's a chance we could still win. And so we watch. Where did the idea for a sure thing even come from? If the laws that govern the NFL stated that bad teams always lose and good teams always win, there wouldn't be much reason to watch now would.
But why do our expectations change when we play a quote unquote bad team? Well, if we play a bad team, we should win by a million. We should win handily. There should be no doubt. Guys, I don't know if you've seen the NFL lately, but bad teams win every week and good teams lose every week. It's literally the crux of a multi billion dollar industry centered around just that. The idea that there are no sure things. And this week was a perfect example of these unrealistic expectations. The Saints are so bad, how could they lose? Shador's touchdown passes weren't quite touchdowny enough. And my personal favorite, DeSean Watson would have easily won that game. Based on what? The fact that he hasn't thrown a touchdown since October 11th. By the way, that awful Saints team hasn't allowed a 300 yard passer all season. In fact, no quarterback had eclipsed 250 yards on them this season until Sunday. That is some of Yalls expectations for this kid, for this team, for this coach are way over the top. And y' all need a small dose of reality. Go touch some grass. We'll break it all down for you. Next on the Burning River Sportscast.
[00:02:20] Ronnie Jams: We're fighting like hell. We're looking at what we're calling.
[00:02:22] Speaker C: I will try to call every week.
[00:02:24] Ronnie Jams: If you don't get one, then we're
[00:02:26] Kenny Thunder: gonna Schmidt on you. You get Schmidt
[00:02:28] Speaker C: on and sometimes he even Kevin Harlan impression. By the way, I was pretty. It was pretty good. I must say so myself. I do some other people, nothing, you know, great. Some like teachers that I had back in high school,
[00:02:39] Kenny Thunder: I guess Jersey, the more I thought about it is like almost Canada. Oh
[00:02:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Yes, yes, Mr. Coolside. Yes, yes,
[00:02:44] Ronnie Jams: I'll do that for you. He spent way too much time with his arms
[00:02:47] Kenny Thunder: too much time on my arms.
Too much time on my arms.
Too much
[00:02:54] Ronnie Jams: time on my arms. That's all the above. And we're going to fight like hell to fix it. When you think
[00:02:59] Kenny Thunder: about the things that bad teams do, the Brown have been really good at them. Not scoring a lot of points, giving up a lot of sacks, having a lot of injuries and having a lot of turnovers and penalties. I googled
[00:03:09] The Bone Man: is Nick Cage John Madden? And Google AI goes no, Nicholas Cage is not John Madden, but he portrays the legendary football coach and broadcaster in the upcoming
[00:03:17] Kenny Thunder: biographical film Med.
Thank you.
Let's not be so hasty.
Still, I think he's
[00:03:27] Speaker E: rather tasty. And right on the other side of the restaurant is the bowling alle and it's a big bowling alley and so the people from the bowling alley come running over to the restaurant to find out what the heck's going on when we start yelling and we do make a lot of noise. Cleveland
[00:03:44] Kenny Thunder: returns home looking to bounce back from the overtime lost in New Orleans. We made the Big Easy look like the Big Hard.
Be happy, be happy. Now I can't whistle. Gonna fight like hell to fix it. I can tell you
[00:03:59] Ronnie Jams: that it's not good enough and it falls directly on me and we're gonna fight like hell to get it. F
[00:04:06] Kenny Thunder: Foreign.
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[00:05:30] Kenny Thunder: I like how that's become a thing.
[00:05:31] Ronnie Jams: Now back shop. All kinds of stuff in there. Today on the show, this is what we can the hot take hotline, the Browns brief division roundup, a quick trip around the NFL, another entry into our Brownsbackers interview series. The Week 10 preview. King of the north and oh, so much more. Basically the same show you hear every week. Every week.
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[00:06:05] Kenny Thunder: the week.
[00:06:16] Ronnie Jams: Marcus Aurelius. That was the
[00:06:18] Kenny Thunder: quote.
Ah, that's why I thought you'd
[00:06:22] Ronnie Jams: like that. You like Marcus Aurelius? Marcus
[00:06:23] Kenny Thunder: Aurelius made an appearance on the veterinary sportscast. I've been looking at busts of Marcus Aurelius for. You've been looking at
[00:06:32] Ronnie Jams: bus for a long time for the
[00:06:34] Kenny Thunder: office down here. I was like, what a cool, like conversation piece to have. Is that a bust of Marcus Aurelius?
[00:06:39] Ronnie Jams: Get a bust of John Goodman. I
[00:06:41] Kenny Thunder: don't know where you can even find one of those. I bet you could maybe Emily's sister, sculpt one. Phone's got a 3D printer. Yeah, make me a tiny John Goodman. Sure, sure.
I
[00:06:53] The Bone Man: don't see why nothing right now. All
[00:06:55] Ronnie Jams: right, there you go. You got your hands full for the next few minutes. But the burning of a new story of the week this week. Is this for the first time pro probably in our entire lifetime. I can't think of another. The Cleveland Browns have been better over the last 11 games than the Ohio State Buckeyes. They're really bad. The Browns over the last 11 games, seven and four, the Buckeyes six and five.
So a couple things here. One, it's really hard to wrap my head around the fact that the Buckeyes have lost five of their last 11 games. I
[00:07:32] Kenny Thunder: asked you last week if they were toast and you were like, nah. And I was like, are they going to come out of the Big ten? You were like, if they. If they win,
[00:07:40] Ronnie Jams: they didn't win. They didn't win. They lost. They. They promptly lost another game. They just keep losing and it wasn't particularly close again. So, like, this was. I actually said after this one, I was like, I just.
People are saying if they went out, they could still make it. I'm like, I don't think
[00:07:55] Kenny Thunder: so. Started with such promise like you.
[00:07:57] Ronnie Jams: Because now you have three loss and you got completely blown out. Got bad really quickly.
So I just don't see it happening.
But the on the bright side is, is this it? Is, is it happening? Is this it for Ryan Day?
[00:08:12] Kenny Thunder: I mean, I think the conversation is picking up steam.
I mean, let's
[00:08:17] Ronnie Jams: be honest, just. I think we've kind of danced around this a little bit on our show. We've, we've talked about it a number of times.
[00:08:25] Speaker C: I don't
[00:08:26] Ronnie Jams: think Ryan Day is that good of a coach.
I, as much as I hate to say it, I think a lot of what Harbaugh said when he got the job about him being born on third base and thinking he hit a triple may be factual. I mean he, he inherited. I actually saw a meme that summed it up or a gif, whatever video. I don't know. We're in social media. I know what they're called. I, whatever.
But it was Ryan Day comes and sits down with Urban Meyer and they're playing video game. Urban Meyer sitting there playing video games. He's like, how's it going, coach? He's like, oh, it's good. And he's like, here, it's your turn. And he hands him the controller and then shows the screen of the video game. And Ryan Day promptly drives a bus over a cliff. And it's like, that's pretty much what's happening here. So I don't know.
And it goes to like Urban Meyer, killer instinct would just put his foot on the gas and just stomp on teams. Ryan Day is when it gets to close games or games against big time teams, other ranked teams.
It's. Or any pressure on the Buckeyes at all. It's like he shuts down. We go so conservative. We try. We, we play to not lose instead of to win.
Just a lot of things wrong with Ryan Day, in my opinion.
I think you
[00:09:45] Kenny Thunder: may be overlooking a couple things.
I'd
[00:09:52] Ronnie Jams: like to hear them.
[00:09:55] Kenny Thunder: National champion.
[00:09:59] Ronnie Jams: I
[00:09:59] Speaker C: don't.
[00:10:02] Kenny Thunder: National champion. 88 and 15.
How many coaches with a career.
Eight. 50 win percentage get fired?
I'm not disagreeing. Like, I agree. I'm also. Let
[00:10:15] Ronnie Jams: me ask you another question. I agree
[00:10:17] Kenny Thunder: with everything you said. I'm also frustrated. I wish they could bring Urban Meyer
[00:10:20] Ronnie Jams: back tomorrow. I think my rebuttal to that and everybody at Ohio State in their athletic department's rebuttal to that is how many guys could we have brought in? And they could have went 88 and 15 over this with the Stacked rosters that we had.
The only
[00:10:34] Kenny Thunder: thing you have to compare that to in recent history is the Luke Fickle year. And that didn't go so well.
[00:10:38] The Bone Man: No.
Is this just a product of them not adapting to the nil fast
[00:10:45] Ronnie Jams: enough? I don't know about that. I've heard this theory, but I actually don't think that's the case because they pay some of the most money out of
[00:10:53] Kenny Thunder: anybody, so. Yeah, but some of that money obviously wasn't invested in the right
[00:10:58] Ronnie Jams: backup quarterback.
But that's not. We've talked about this on here. Backup quarterbacks are not a thing in college football. Well, they have to be. Well, they can't be, because that backup quarter. We had two of the top 10 recruits in NCAA on the roster last year. Both of them transferred because that's what you
[00:11:15] Kenny Thunder: do.
Okay? This is a new world, a new nil world. It's Ryan Day's job to keep them there. You think
[00:11:22] Ronnie Jams: that. You think all these nil people are paying a whole bunch of money to backup quarterbacks?
Somebody could pay me
[00:11:29] Kenny Thunder: to backup quarterback.
Yeah, but you couldn't
[00:11:32] Ronnie Jams: go somewhere else and make millions dollars starting for somebody else. Or did we
[00:11:35] The Bone Man: just lose talent on the defense last
[00:11:37] Kenny Thunder: year?
That doesn't help. Yeah, I mean,
[00:11:39] Ronnie Jams: that definitely doesn't. I feel like we've
[00:11:41] The Bone Man: been a factory on defense for years and years and years, and all of
[00:11:44] Ronnie Jams: a sudden we give up big plays left and right and can't stop. Who's
[00:11:47] The Bone Man: our stud on our defense this year?
I don't have a name. I don't
[00:11:52] Ronnie Jams: know either. I mean, you lose, what, Arvell Reese and some of these other players. Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs. Styles. Sonny. Yeah. Arvel Reese and Sonny styles are like 1 and 2 in rookie defensive player of the year. Yeah.
[00:12:04] Kenny Thunder: Orville Reese is a bad man.
Yeah.
[00:12:06] Ronnie Jams: And Sonny Styles right behind him as far as statistically in the NFL right now. So, like, those guys are pretty good.
I think Caleb Downs has been
[00:12:15] Kenny Thunder: hurt, but agree. Still good. Again, I'm also frustrated with Ryan Day. I just think that for a program as big as Ohio State and hold on to
[00:12:24] Ronnie Jams: walk. Let's actually stop at that point. Let's stop at that point. Arvell Reese, Sonny Stiles, Caleb Downs, all these players and did they win a national championship last year?
No, no.
Agree. I agree.
[00:12:38] Kenny Thunder: Every big game, every big moment, Ryan Day disappears.
And that's a. That's a problem. But he's also won almost 90 games in nine seasons. I'll just say
[00:12:50] Ronnie Jams: this right now. I guarantee if they Lose to Michigan this year, Ryan Day will be fired.
Guarantee it. I wouldn't
[00:12:57] The Bone Man: take that bet against you.
[00:13:01] Speaker C: Does this
[00:13:01] The Bone Man: make what I'm saying makes sense? You agree with me? I agree, but I'm not sure if it's going to happen. But I'm not going to.
I'm just
[00:13:08] Ronnie Jams: saying I guarantee it. Because at this point now, you have however many losses to Michigan, it's quite a few, basically, most of those 15. Basically all of them except for one.
And you've lost five of your last 11 at that point. At that point, it could legitimately be. If they lose to Michigan this year. And a couple of these games leading up to it are tough, too. You got one or two more tough games. Like, you could have lost like six or seven of your last. What. What would that be?
The 13, 14 games like this.
[00:13:42] Kenny Thunder: I agree with you. I just. Look, it's just like, go back to the beginning of the season and we're questioning how good is Julian saying.
And he goes out and you go, yeah, he was probably better than we gave him credit for.
You could hire Chip Kelly and go get a Lincoln Riley. You can go get a lot of guys. Like Ohio State would have their pick of coaches.
Hell, what's his face that just went to lsu. What's. Lane Kiffin would probably come to highest. Like, if you called him and said, hey, but, you know, I think you run the risk of if you're Ohio State and you make that move and you bring in that guy and it doesn't work out, then you walked away from a guy with an. A career.850 win percentage that just won a national championship, what, two years ago.
If they go. If they go six and four again next year or whatever, like in the Big Ten. Like, I, I like that you named
[00:14:34] Ronnie Jams: Chip Kelly and he was the offensive coordinator in 2024.
Like, he's
[00:14:39] Kenny Thunder: already there, but he's in Northwestern. Yeah,
[00:14:41] Ronnie Jams: yeah, I know. I just. I just thought it was funny because he was already here. We were like, nah, we
[00:14:44] Kenny Thunder: don't need you. Well, because Chip Kelly was. Is probably could be a head coach about anywhere that he wanted to
[00:14:50] Ronnie Jams: go. I'm just saying, look, here's my predictions and here's. Here's what I'll say to you about a guy that just won a national championship.
Ohio State's different.
There's very few programs. There's. Maybe in Alabama, maybe one, maybe a Georgia.
There's. And that's probably it. Like, there's very few programs where they demand to be in the national championship. Hunt every single
[00:15:15] Kenny Thunder: year.
Yeah. I mean, Ohio State's probably one of about six teams that are as close to the NFL as you can get in college football.
There's close to a minor league for professional football
[00:15:30] Ronnie Jams: as you can get.
Yeah. I think this is what's going to happen.
[00:15:37] Speaker E: I
[00:15:37] Ronnie Jams: think Ryan Day, if they lose to Michigan this year, this is my big prediction. If they lose to Michigan, Ryan Day gets fired. And Marcus. It's happening. Marcus Freeman is going to be the next Ohio State head coach. Marcus Freeman
[00:15:48] Kenny Thunder: is going to leave Notre Dame. I
[00:15:49] Ronnie Jams: do.
He is, isn't he? From. Didn't he go to Notre Dame? Went to Ohio State. Oh.
And he has stated.
[00:15:57] Kenny Thunder: Well, born there because, like, I feel like he has a tie to. He
[00:16:00] Ronnie Jams: does have ties to Notre Dame, but. Well, before he started, he took the head coaching job at Notre Dame. He had made it known multiple times that his dream job is the Ohio State head coach.
[00:16:14] Kenny Thunder: I don't know that I would leave Notre Dame. If you return Notre Dame to prominence, I mean, when you think about programs like Ohio State that are the top echelon of college football, Notre Dame is up there. Right. Historically significant.
And if you're the guy that brings them back and they're in the playoff picture, in the national championship picture every year for the next decade.
[00:16:31] Ronnie Jams: I didn't ask for commentary. I just told you what my bold prediction was.
[00:16:34] Kenny Thunder: You're. You're an icon. You're Lou Holtz. Yeah. Like, and. And I think in this nil. Yeah. But if you do
[00:16:41] Ronnie Jams: it at Notre Dame and then you come over here and you win multiple national champions championships at Ohio State,
[00:16:49] Speaker C: I
[00:16:49] Kenny Thunder: guess I think the road is tougher here at Ohio State. That's what I was going to get at, was, I
[00:16:52] Ronnie Jams: think, I think your schedule at Notre
[00:16:54] Kenny Thunder: Dame, I think in this nil world, Notre Dame is the biggest winner out of all of the super conference building, all the teams that are trying to get out of crap conferences and now join the Big Ten or the sec, those schedules are going to get progressively harder. Notre Dame is the only one that, because they're Notre Dame, like, they get to play by their own rules and they get to have an independent schedule, which I think is a huge
[00:17:15] Ronnie Jams: plus in the nil world.
Yeah.
Again, I know no commentary was necessary. I'm just letting you know that that's my bold prediction. Well, it's kind of what
[00:17:25] Kenny Thunder: we do on the show. Yeah. I
[00:17:26] Ronnie Jams: mean, that's fair. I welcome it. I also am just saying, like, I don't have a rebuttal Because I wasn't looking to debate. I was just letting you know what I think is going to
[00:17:33] Kenny Thunder: happen. So I just think you got to be careful. The grass isn't always
[00:17:36] Ronnie Jams: greener.
I mean, I'm fine with. With a lot of coaches other than Ryan Day, so that's what I'll say. The grass may not be greener, but at least it's not Ryan Day. There's grass
[00:17:48] Kenny Thunder: on the field. Play ball.
No, no.
[00:17:51] Ronnie Jams: But anyways, with that. That was a way longer news story of the week than I was hoping for. Was there
[00:17:57] Kenny Thunder: every time we were known for our
[00:17:59] Ronnie Jams: brevity. No, no.
But now let me remind you to call the burning sports
[00:18:03] Kenny Thunder: guys.
[00:18:05] Ronnie Jams: Don't forget to call and leave your hot takes on. We the hot take outline. Kenny, do we have hot
[00:18:09] Kenny Thunder: takes? Those hot takes. We do. We want all the hot takes. And I'll play you some hot takes. Hello?
This
[00:18:16] Speaker C: is not happy Bobby.
This is not angry Bobby. Tonight I am neutral Bobby. Indifferent Bobby. Unemotional Bobby. Stoic Bobby. Apathetic Bobby. And content Bobby.
It's okay.
Yes, we lost, but it's okay.
Listen, we were on the road.
Yes, I wanted to go for the tie, but after
[00:18:42] Ronnie Jams: listening to Todd Monkins interview, I got
[00:18:45] Speaker C: what he was saying. You know, like, just go for the win. It's fine. We didn't get the win. We're five and four.
We're three zero at home and two and four on the road. That's the NFL.
And speaking of the NFL, like, why do we have six of our first nine games on the road, three road games in a row? We play the Saints in New Orleans after the coming off a buy. Like my opinion, if you're coming off a buy, you should have to travel. That's just my opinion. It makes no sense to me.
But that's sour grapes.
It is what it is.
We're five and four.
We can win next week.
We got a pretty good schedule coming down the road. We, you know, we're home. We're home for what? We got the Texans at home, the Raiders at home.
I think the Falcons after that. Or maybe the Bengals. I can't remember. But you know what?
I feel good. We're 30 at home. We got a lot of home games coming up.
We can do this.
That's it.
And I know you guys called me out last week for not calling and you replayed it. I said I'm gonna try to call every week. I didn't say I was gonna call every week. I'm gonna try to call every Week.
So I will try to call every week. All right. Good night, boys. See ya. That
[00:20:12] Ronnie Jams: sounded like another guarantee to me that he would be calling every week. So I gave a guarantee. He gave a
[00:20:16] Kenny Thunder: guarantee. Basically, what I took away from that whole call was that Angry Bobby is committed now to calling us every
[00:20:20] Ronnie Jams: week, every single week. And if he doesn't, we're gonna call him out, even
[00:20:22] Kenny Thunder: if he's not angry Bobby. If he's stoic, nonchalant. Bobby. Bobby. Yeah, this whole
[00:20:27] Ronnie Jams: stoic, nonchalant, indifferent content, whatever he's calling it. You know what this sounds like to me? This sounds like a Bobby that's trying to talk himself into. To his. Like, the Browns are going to win eight games, and they're going to be decent this year. Like, I think he's starting to see it fall apart, and he's like, I got to force myself not to panic right now. The.
[00:20:47] Kenny Thunder: The road stretch early has been kind
[00:20:50] Ronnie Jams: of brutal. You know, the NFL, if nothing, they really like to showcase offenses. So clearly they're going to put as many people in Cleveland in December as they possibly can, because that makes sense.
[00:21:01] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, it makes for great football.
I mean, clearly the NFL is not worried about the Browns being watchable product because they could have flexed the Steelers game and chose not to and instead put two bum teams on tv. So. Yeah. But. Well, one, I guess, good to hear from Angry Bobby. But two, nice to hear from you, Bob. I think that's a very salient point about it. Is life in the NFL true? I think I remember. God, who was it?
[00:21:26] Ronnie Jams: The point we were. We were trying to make yesterday or. I'm sorry, on Sunday show and today. So I remember
[00:21:33] Kenny Thunder: watching an interview many, many, many years ago, and I. It was maybe Terrell Davis talking about the Broncos teams there in the. In the 90s with John Elway before he retired and he won the Super Bowl.
And their plan, essentially, what they. What. What they kind of set out every season to do was to hold serve at home. If we win our home games and we win half the games on the road, we know we're in the playoffs. And they took that to heart. And that was their. Their entire strategy for the season was hold serve at home and. And break. Break even on the road. And that puts you in the moment. Money. And. And that's fair, right? Like, the Browns have played well at home so far this year.
Road games are tough and. And I don't even know, like, it's. I think it's been a really long time since we've won In New Orleans. I don't know what the exact
[00:22:22] Ronnie Jams: year when we went, but I think
[00:22:23] Kenny Thunder: it's been a really long time. We
[00:22:25] Ronnie Jams: went two years ago. They didn't win
[00:22:26] Kenny Thunder: then. Three minute or fact checker to check that. But I think I, I think it's been like two decades since they've won in New Orleans. That's a long time. So it's just. And it's a tough place to play. Look, look, we, we were in New Orleans a couple years ago. It is a tough place to, to play.
That stadium wasn't like overly nice, but it was fine. But it was a, it was a
[00:22:44] Ronnie Jams: good gameday environment. 1999 when they defeated the Saints 21 to 16 on a last second 50 yard Hail Mary touchdown pass. Yeah. So like
[00:22:52] Kenny Thunder: it's been a hot minute since the Browns have ever won in New Orleans. Not that we play them every year,
[00:22:58] Ronnie Jams: but still.
It's been a long time. It's been a long time. So. Yeah, because you said, like you said, it's
[00:23:03] Kenny Thunder: hard to win road games.
Yeah. I'm glad Bobby's taking it all in stride
[00:23:07] Ronnie Jams: though. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, Bobby. Yeah.
[00:23:09] Kenny Thunder: And we're glad that you're gonna call every week now. Guaranteed he'll be back.
[00:23:16] Speaker C: All right. Since Mon Coles in more than once, I'm calling in more than once. I forgot to mention that Monum won the jersey of your choice contest. So now he gets to pick whatever jersey he wants and he has yet
[00:23:32] Kenny Thunder: to let me know what jersey he
[00:23:33] Speaker C: wants. Who do you think it's going to be?
What jersey is he going to pick?
Last year he won and he picked Carson Schlesinger. Who is he picking this year?
See ya. Angry Bobby
[00:23:49] Ronnie Jams: has completely flipped the hot take hotline. He said I interview you now. I
[00:23:55] Kenny Thunder: like this. This is like the game within the game. Yeah, yeah. What jersey should, man? Is it should or what
[00:24:01] Ronnie Jams: do we think he's going to pick?
[00:24:03] Kenny Thunder: Well, I think those are the same thing cuz what we say goes.
I think we should pick Monum jersey.
I
[00:24:10] Ronnie Jams: like that he'll probably have picked by the time that he hears this, but he should definitely get Mason Jar Graham and it should say Mason Jar on
[00:24:18] Kenny Thunder: the back. Mason Jar Graham. That would be a good one. Yeah, I like that.
I, you know, I think, think like it would be cool to have a bojo jersey. Like punters don't get enough love. Like that would be one of those cool jerseys to have. And, and it's not like he's been like only here for a short Time. Like,
[00:24:32] Ronnie Jams: speaking of special teamers, the Brownsbaggers in North Jersey have ties to Schmidt and his family, so that's also. Maybe he should get a Schmidt jersey because he's the real deal. I think Schmidt might be our kicker for quite some time,
[00:24:45] Kenny Thunder: so. Yeah. Yeah. Sophie stays healthy and everything because he's been. He's been lights out. But I think Schmidt. That's a
[00:24:51] The Bone Man: good point. Wrong. With a Harold fan in Jersey over the next 10 years, that's gonna be a staple. Also fair.
[00:24:57] Ronnie Jams: I'm looking for it. We have a autographed Schmidt photo that we got from our guys over at. I was gonna
[00:25:02] Kenny Thunder: say, if he gets a Schmidt jersey, he might even get a signature on that at some point. Hell, yeah. Because of the familial ties. Yeah. I'm going Andre Schmidt. Andre Schmidt it is. Yeah.
[00:25:11] Ronnie Jams: If you don't get one, then we're gonna Schmidt on you. You get Schmidt
[00:25:15] Kenny Thunder: on.
Although, to be fair, man's not really built like a kicker.
[00:25:23] Ronnie Jams: Manaka. Are you going to take that from this guy? I mean, this guy's lost 160 pounds. He's still fat.
[00:25:29] Kenny Thunder: 161. Still fat.
[00:25:33] Speaker C: Hey, guys, it's Monaco from the Brownsbackers of North Jersey. I appreciate that. The last two preview shows have had titles based on my calls. First one was Pepperidge Farmer members and our second one being Mr. Lonely. I appreciate it. You guys are the best. Show me the love, because I call every week. I call every. Where was Bobby last week?
He might have called this week a bunch of times, but where was Bobby last week? Not on the hot take hotline. I was. Okay, that's number one. Number two, where was Matt from Nashville? I hope. First of all, I hope Matt from Nashville's doing okay, because I'm not, You know, he didn't call. He's. He's. He's gonna. He's become a regular, and I just want to make sure. I hope he's okay. So Matt from National, if you're out there, just know we're thinking of you. We hope you're okay. And. And. And all the other folks used to call. You know, where are they? I hope. I hope they're doing okay. I'll tell you one thing. I'll tell you one thing. Malcolm's here. Malcolm Terrell's back.
He calls. He may not have anything important to say, but he calls. And sometimes he even does a Kevin Harlan impression. By the way, I was pretty. It was pretty good. I probably must say so myself. I do some other people. Nothing. You know, Great. Some, like, teachers that I had back in high school and whatnot. Hope all is well. And listen, listen. If you're out there and you're listening, call the Hot Take Hot Line.
I like how we
[00:26:58] Ronnie Jams: can just count on one of the calls from Monaco because I'm sure there's more. I just am assuming there's more.
One of the calls from Menockham each week is just a promo for the Hot Take Hotline. We could just put that out and cut it out of the episode and put it out there. Be like, everybody, call the Hot Take
[00:27:11] Kenny Thunder: Hotline. Ask Menachem. Menachem is an honorary member of the Burning River Sportscast at this point. I mean, he does almost as much talking on the show as we do each week. I think he
[00:27:19] Ronnie Jams: does more marketing for the show than
[00:27:21] Kenny Thunder: does way more marketing.
He's our best resource when it comes to that. So, no, we always appreciate that.
I want to hear more Menachem impressions, even if they're just teachers. I just like that
[00:27:31] Ronnie Jams: they're teachers from high school. The most obscure impressions that you could possibly think of. But, Menachem, aren't you a teacher in high school?
[00:27:40] Kenny Thunder: And we know Menachem is a bit of a wordsmith, so obviously, I mean, it's easy to take our titles from his calls because he always gives the. He brings material we
[00:27:51] Ronnie Jams: lean towards, like song titles and pop. Pop Pop culture references anyways. So when he just throws them out there and it's easy to pick them off and take him as a show title, I just, you know, run with it. It makes my job super easy. Yeah. This
[00:28:03] Kenny Thunder: is knocking. This is why you're our
[00:28:04] Ronnie Jams: favorite. Yep. Yeah. Not Matt from Nashville, because he didn't call last week. Matt,
[00:28:08] Kenny Thunder: where the hell. I mean, I hope he's okay, too. Malcolm seems really concerned about. He was, like, putting genuine vibes out. Like, guys, I hope everything's okay. Yeah. Was there like a tornado or something we weren't aware of in. In Texas? Tennessee? I don't know. Hopefully not.
[00:28:23] Ronnie Jams: I hope not. That's bad juju you're
[00:28:25] Kenny Thunder: throwing out there. Knock on wood. Yeah.
I'm not wishing for a tornado. I'm saying maybe something happened we didn't know.
[00:28:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
Hey, guys, it's Monaka from the Browns back in the North Jersey. I realize it's been a long, long time since we've done a top five list of Bobby. So we're gonna do one today. We're not doing the family this time because we all know how it goes. We got a new top Five list. It's top five bobbies of all time.
At number one, the great Bobby Boucher from the Water boys. That's right. Bobby Boucher. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, Mr. Cool Cry. Yes, yes, I'll do that for you. Number two on our list of greatest bobbies of all time is the great Bobby Orr, whole fame hockey player. One of the best players of all time up there, without a doubt.
Number three is my personal favorite.
Bobby McFerrin, known for singing the song Don't Worry, Be Happy.
It's a. Here's a little song I wrote. You might want to sing it note for note. Don't Worry, Be happy.
Number four, we're gonna go with chess champion Bobby Fischer.
He was the chess champion. That's pretty cool.
And of course, in last place, Bobby D, Angry Bobby, Happy Bob, whatever version of him you'd like.
That is our top five list for today.
Hopefully we'll have some more power ranking things coming up soon. Hope you all are doing well.
The ending. The ending of the game on Sunday was the whole.
Terrible, horrible. We gotta fix these. These penalties.
And I'm just saying, I don't know what, Louisiana.
What Louisiana area these guys, these referees were from on Sunday's game. But. Oh, some of those.
Some of those. Some of those calls or non calls were kind of rough.
All right. Hope you're having a great week. Hopefully we win this Sunday. Here we go, brownies. Here we go.
[00:30:47] Kenny Thunder: Menachem. Part 2.
[00:30:48] Ronnie Jams: Just stream of consciousness immediately follows it
[00:30:51] Kenny Thunder: up with an impression. Yeah, love that.
[00:30:53] Ronnie Jams: Yeah.
One we used to have.
We. I will probably bring it back every once in a while, but we used to have a segment on the show called Hot 3. Hot 3, so. Yeah,
[00:31:05] Kenny Thunder: man.
Our entire bag of segments. Yeah, he's. He's digging into our entire bag
[00:31:10] Ronnie Jams: of stick. I want a part of the Burning river sportscast. So I'm gonna write my own top five. Except you didn't call it the hot five. We called it the top five. And I like that you.
I think you think that you were dissing Bobby by putting him at number five.
But he's still a top five Bobby of all time. Yeah. Like, that's wild.
Yeah. I don't know. I like his Bobby Fischer reference. Have you seen the SNL skit? Bobby Fischer? Where is he? I don't know. I don't know. With Will Ferrell?
No,
[00:31:42] Kenny Thunder: can't say that I've seen that one. That one's a good one.
I gotta be honest. I didn't realize that. Don't worry. Be happy I thought Bob Marley
[00:31:49] Ronnie Jams: sang that.
He sings a version of
[00:31:52] Kenny Thunder: it.
That's. I've never heard any other
[00:31:54] Ronnie Jams: version. Yeah, I would have put him in the top five. Bobby's.
He's definitely
[00:31:59] Kenny Thunder: the highest. Bobby. Yeah. Yeah.
Also I was surprised the. The hockey made.
Made the list. I guess Jersey, the more I thought about it is like almost Canada.
So maybe they're like big hockey fans up there. They're bus. Yeah, like. Like Jersey. Like, I guess Jersey is big. Basically New York. So like, I guess they have baseball teams, but like there's no New Jersey baseball team. Maybe
[00:32:25] Ronnie Jams: there's the New Jersey Devils though, for
[00:32:26] Kenny Thunder: hockey, but like. Yeah, like the. The jets or the. The Jets.
Is that the Devils? Am I right?
Because wasn't
[00:32:34] Ronnie Jams: it in. Isn't there like a horns on the end or something? Like in
[00:32:37] Kenny Thunder: their logo? It wasn't putty. A devil in Seinfeld. Wasn't there an episode where he was dressed as a devil? This
[00:32:44] Ronnie Jams: is New Jersey Devils. Yeah. Yeah, there's horns on the. The end and the.
[00:32:47] Kenny Thunder: But maybe hockey is like New Jersey's baseball. Like we have the guardians, but like maybe they get a lot of NHL influence there. Yeah. Since it's basically.
[00:32:55] Ronnie Jams: I see where you're going there. It's
[00:32:57] Kenny Thunder: Canada. And then obviously closing it down with reference to the game, which agreed was horrible.
I would. I would probably contest the idea that the referees. We're
[00:33:08] Ronnie Jams: going to touch on this later in this. I actually have a part about this later in the episode because this was bugging me all week. I would
[00:33:14] Kenny Thunder: contest that the referees were from the bayou area because if. If it only happened in nola, then I would be right there with you. Since this is consistent theme all year long that the Browns are the most penalized team in
[00:33:27] Ronnie Jams: the league.
We'll come back to this. We'll come back to this. There's a
[00:33:32] Kenny Thunder: lot to say, but agreed. They have to clean it up and you know, it's discipline, it's coaching and it's not
[00:33:38] Ronnie Jams: been good enough. Yeah. Any more from. From Monochrom? No, no more. We got
[00:33:43] Kenny Thunder: double double Bobby and double Monogam tonight.
[00:33:46] Ronnie Jams: Full on Jersey hotline. No Matt from Nashville. I'm have to reach out and make sure he's doing all right.
Monkhams
[00:33:54] Kenny Thunder: is worried and so are we. Absolutely.
[00:33:57] Ronnie Jams: All right, well, make sure everybody's calling and leaving your hot takes on the hot take hotline. Remember, these are hot takes. We want hot takes. Want the hot. We want hot takes.
[00:34:04] Kenny Thunder: 3,30-2278-081338-13302,
[00:34:09] Ronnie Jams: 2780-8133-0227-8081 call down not standing by. We'll put you on the air. We'll talk about who takes. Speaking of hot takes, it's time for dig it with the macho fan.
[00:34:28] Speaker E: All right.
[00:34:29] Ronnie Jams: More, more fun and games must win week. That's rate this in our first week rodeo Texans. No one is not so we're going to right the wrong. We gotta flip the script again.
Houston, Houston, you're gonna have a problem because
[00:34:46] Kenny Thunder: the dogs the Cleveland Browns are hungry
[00:34:50] Ronnie Jams: for a victory. So you better watch it. It may be bigger in Texas,
[00:34:55] Kenny Thunder: but it's gonna be a lot better in Cleveland this Sunday.
Oh yeah. Luke's
[00:35:00] Ronnie Jams: gonna gold browns ticket.
Macho, macho fan.
[00:35:12] Kenny Thunder: I want to be a macho fan.
[00:35:17] Ronnie Jams: Macho the machoist fan. I'm a genetic
[00:35:21] Kenny Thunder: freak. Oh, that's Scott Steiner.
Wrong wrestler.
[00:35:24] Ronnie Jams: You always get macho fan mixed up with all the other big Papa Pump's
[00:35:28] Kenny Thunder: my favorite because he had. He had
[00:35:30] Ronnie Jams: arms for days. He did. He spent
[00:35:32] Kenny Thunder: way too much time. Too much time on my arms.
Too much time on my arms.
Too much time on my
[00:35:41] Ronnie Jams: arms.
Yeah. Yeah.
We gotta get back into the gym so that we can spend too much time on our arms. You already got back in there. I've been in the gym. Yeah, I gotta. I gotta catch up.
Anyways with that, let's get into the Burning Sportscast dog of the Week.
[00:35:58] Kenny Thunder: Doesn't matter, man. You gotta play tough people in the National Football League. You gotta be ready and
[00:36:04] Speaker C: we gotta be the dogs that we
[00:36:05] Kenny Thunder: are every time we step on there on Sunday and be ready to attack and don't stop until we're in that
[00:36:11] Speaker C: locker room.
[00:36:14] Ronnie Jams: All right. We leave it up to our listeners to determine the Burning River Sportscast dog of the week each week on our live shows on Sunday, we each nominate a dog of the week candidate. From there, we turn it over to all of you on our socials to vote and make the final decision. This week's nominees. Kenny. Colonel Sanders.
I nominated Carson Schwezinger. And Bone Harold Fannin Jr. Fanning. Dakota Fanning's older. I said fanning. Younger brother, you did do it right this time. But Dakota
[00:36:41] The Bone Man: Fanning, you were just waiting for me not to do it right. The Colonel.
[00:36:45] Ronnie Jams: After the fan vote that was conducted on our socials, this week's Burning River Sportscast dog of the week is.
Carson Schwezinger.
This was a close one. One should. Or Sanders or Colonel Sanders or what are Some of the other nicknames we. I was trying to think of
[00:37:03] Kenny Thunder: another celebrity that is Sanders, but for some reason, my mind went blank. We.
[00:37:06] Ronnie Jams: We had other nicknames for him last year, and I can't remember what they were. It's been a minute since he had played, so. Shredder. Cheddar. Cheddar. Cheddar
[00:37:14] Kenny Thunder: was the big one because that's what
[00:37:16] Ronnie Jams: the closed caption always, always makes. Closed caption always calls him Cheddar.
Yeah. So Cheddar was a close second in this. I think he only lost by, like, two or three votes, so maybe think
[00:37:25] The Bone Man: of Cheddar Bob from 8 Mile. Yeah.
[00:37:28] Ronnie Jams: Shot himself in the.
But, yeah. Carson Schweizinger had a monster game. 15 tackles, 10 solo tackles, two tackles for loss, two QB hits, two sacks. This guy's an absolute stud monster. Like I said it yesterday, and at first when I said it, I was like, that doesn't sound right about him being in the defensive player of the year conversation.
But a couple more games like this and he's absolutely going to be there. I
[00:37:54] The Bone Man: mean, the commentators kept comparing him to Luke Keechley. Yeah. Like, three or four times. I feel like, during the broadcast.
[00:37:59] Kenny Thunder: Hopefully his career is a little longer
[00:38:00] Ronnie Jams: than Luke. Keith Lee's. Yes. It's just crazy that he's doing this well in his second year. I mean, he was obviously defensive rookie of the year last year, but, like, it just continues. And
[00:38:11] Kenny Thunder: Bone was one of the first people to call this out early during camp last year, like, in our very beginning episodes, was talking about just like, that he was already wearing the green dot, like, expected to call the defense. And, like, we've seen just nothing but maturation from this guy and leadership and. Absolutely. Production. Yeah. To an extent that we haven't really seen.
We've had. I mean, we've had some decent linebackers since 99, but, like, this guy's on another
[00:38:36] Ronnie Jams: level. Yeah. He's like the only other person that. That would even compare to him and in a short time span like that is J. Okay was on a trajectory that was going to take him there. But then we all know
[00:38:48] Kenny Thunder: J. Okay was just such a different player, though, because you're so versatile and they used him in so many different ways. Like, Carson is very much prototypical linebacker, linebacker archetype. Like, he's. He's a good run.
He's fast enough to be able to cover underneath a little bit, and he's a big hitter, and he's just always around the ball. I mean, that's the most impressive thing Right. Like, anytime there is a play, like, he finds, even if he doesn't make the plays close into it. Right. Like, it's just his helmet is always involved, and it's a. It's a joy to watch.
[00:39:18] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. I think, you know, we talk about Nick Chubb as our favorite Brown, and that's going to be. It's going to be that way for quite some time. But I'll tell you what, a Carson Swedishinger continues to play like this his entire career. That might change because Carson Schwezinger is just a. It's. It's incredible week in and week out. And it's like every time we think he can't do better, he averages, like, 10 tackles a game. But then he comes and puts one up like this. You're like, he had 15 tackles. The thing
[00:39:45] Kenny Thunder: is, at 10 tackles a week, even, I mean, you're gonna blow through 150 tackles, and that's a huge
[00:39:50] The Bone Man: number. Yeah. He'll be, like, hobbling and dragging his leg half the game, too. And then you're like. And then he runs full speed, makes a tackle, and then just hop, gobbles away and. Yeah,
[00:39:59] Ronnie Jams: I don't know. We talked about that on the live show. Is. Is no matter what, his teammates, anytime you ask them, they're like, carson's a little banged up this week. You think he'll play, and immediately every single one of them says, oh, he's playing. Yeah.
So, yeah, tough dude. Yeah. I mean, there was
[00:40:15] Kenny Thunder: a couple times, too, where, I mean, he gets like, he cleans up on his own. Like, there was a play that shuck ran towards the end of the game that he just absolutely made Jared Verse whiff.
And, like, Carson just came in and cleaned it up by himself. Sure. Jared Verse right now is like, he takes opposite all carriers by himself and finishes the deal. Yeah. Jared
[00:40:37] Ronnie Jams: versus the opposite of Carson right now.
We'll get to that a little bit later. Zero production. But once again, the burning of our sports guest dog of
[00:40:46] Kenny Thunder: the week is Carson. Carson Schwechinger. And
[00:40:49] Ronnie Jams: now one last thing before the Browns brief. It is time. Everybody's favorite segment zone.
[00:41:03] Kenny Thunder: The moment you've all been waiting
[00:41:05] Ronnie Jams: for. That's right. It's time to enter the bone zone.
Y' all heard me and Kenny's thoughts on Sunday night after the game. This is the time for Bone to give his thoughts and talk about what he saw. Bone, take it
[00:41:16] The Bone Man: away.
I would add that very few people are probably waiting for this moment.
[00:41:21] Kenny Thunder: No, you'd be surprised. Everybody. Everybody is.
[00:41:23] Ronnie Jams: I Get the Anytime I run into anybody that has listened to our show and I'm like, ye. You know, I'm a co host on Burning Sportscast. They're like, bone. You're like that. That's the first thing that everybody says. I think
[00:41:35] Kenny Thunder: Men listens each week to the hot take hotline and then he finds a bone zone. Then he goes home and
[00:41:39] Ronnie Jams: just, yeah, it's like, I'm done. I'm
[00:41:41] The Bone Man: updated on the game. I'm good.
Yep,
[00:41:43] Ronnie Jams: yep, yep, yep.
[00:41:47] The Bone Man: Gosh, was kind of a boring game for a while. That's kind of what I was thinking.
And then it got exciting just as the Browns games kind of have been the last few weeks, maybe all season.
Our defense kept us in it, but at the same time I was like, I feel like their offense is just running all over us and, and then you look at the scoreboard, it's like, well, they haven't put up that many points. We're still in this. And you know, fourth quarter comes around and the rest is history. But I like what Chador did on a few things. It was pretty stagnant, I would say, most of the game, but that's how it was with with desean's. I don't know if that's a pattern with coaching or whatever it is. Poor offensive line play.
He didn't turn the ball over. I like that he was getting blasted and was still completing passes downfield.
You know, Casey dropped that one. But he was still putting the ball in play for his playmakers.
And then he was kind of. I felt like they were holding them back too during a lot of the game, just dinking and Duncan and it was kind of boring for a while and the offense was stagnant.
I don't know. I'm happy we went for two. I was all behind that call.
I don't care if whatever the statistics were for it. I know the Browns haven't been great inside the one or two yard line, but I was like, win or lose, we are in a position to win.
And I don't, I don't hold him at fault for making that
[00:43:11] Ronnie Jams: call.
I'm going to break the fourth wall here for just a second. Steel Bone segment. No, I just, I just want to throw this out there. I don't think think that Bone is always catching up on the live post game
[00:43:25] Kenny Thunder: show. He doesn't, he doesn't listen. I
[00:43:27] Ronnie Jams: don't listen at either.
I just think it's funny because it shows how in sync the show covered everything. You literally hit on every Single thing we talked about Sunday night. I kind of made
[00:43:39] The Bone Man: it a point this week to not think about what I was gonna say before I started the segment. It was
[00:43:43] Ronnie Jams: just like a. I wanted it just
[00:43:44] The Bone Man: to be like, what do I remember from Sunday? Because I haven't. I don't really relive the games afterwards. I just, like, go about my life and. True
[00:43:50] Kenny Thunder: Browns fan. You try. Yeah. You.
I
[00:43:52] Ronnie Jams: got leaves to do. File that away, too. Tough to deal with.
But.
Yeah.
[00:43:59] The Bone Man: I don't know. I wasn't, like, super disappointed after. I'm a little disappointed I don't get to see Shador next week.
[00:44:05] Ronnie Jams: We don't know that yet. I thought
[00:44:06] The Bone Man: they announced it today. Nope.
I thought
[00:44:09] Kenny Thunder: it was official. We'll. We'll talk about
[00:44:10] Ronnie Jams: in the. We'll talk about it in the next. The next segment here. But there's some. I want to see more.
[00:44:14] The Bone Man: Conflicting reports. Yeah, I want to see more. I. I want to see more. I want to. I want them to. I want to open it up for him. Let him throw to the playmakers that he didn't have last year. Yeah. And give him a shot. Because the. The dude's more accurate. He has a better arm.
I don't know if he processes faster, slower than desean. I don't know. Maybe you can call plays to help him out with that. Whatever it
[00:44:37] Ronnie Jams: is. But I think one of the biggest things that you hit on that we talked about as well was coaching. Like it now that both quarterbacks.
Well, one. My whole point through the entire show on Sunday was the whole office quote. They're the same picture. Like, you take desean Watson, you take Shador Sanders, and the game looked exactly the same. We were stagnant for three and a half quarters. Then all of a sudden we were. Nobody could stop us. Yeah.
And it's the same thing. And I
[00:45:03] Kenny Thunder: think the difference, though, was I don't think that was intentional.
All season long with DeSean, where the offense started slow and couldn't move the ball for three quarters, I think that was desean playing as well as he could with the offense opened up because Todd Monk entrusted him enough to do so. I thought the game plan was specifically curtailed to try and keep Shador from making a mistake early in that game. And they held onto that as long as they possibly could until you couldn't anymore and you had to start taking chances. And when they took the training wheels off is when you saw Shador really start to play, because that was when he got into his own rhythm, which is a little bit of what he does. Right. Improvise and take chances, throw the ball down the field.
And that's when you finally start to see the offense
[00:45:49] The Bone Man: come alive. Really was two or three big throws where he was just getting well, what's your.
When he threw the ball, what's your great passes, what's your
[00:45:57] Ronnie Jams: stat? You threw out there for 50
[00:45:58] Kenny Thunder: yard plus 60 yard passes coming into this week. There were 1560 yard passes. Quarterback. There were 15 quarterbacks that had a 60 yard pass. Shador Sanders had two on Sunday. Yeah, I feel
[00:46:10] The Bone Man: like that came up last year too in some of his games where it was just like, like plays over, like you said, 50 yards and like Shador
[00:46:16] Ronnie Jams: was. And we talked about it a lot. He may make some mistake. He very much. Not that I'm saying he's necessarily on the level yet, but he reminds me of Josh Allen. Josh Allen will turn the ball over. Yeah. But Josh Allen has a laser rocket arm, will throw it 60 yards down the field.
So you got to take the good with the bad. Like it's. You win some, you lose some. But those risk reward type plays, like to me I'd rather take that risk and get the reward sometimes than to have us throwing three yards every play. He gives
[00:46:44] Kenny Thunder: the offense, offense more versatility and, and I think a lot of that was like, like Todd didn't really trust him yet. And it wasn't so much even though trusting, it was just understanding. I have a young quarterback making his first start of the year. He hasn't had a lot of reps. He had one week of practice and he was just trying to take care of him.
But you know, I think that maybe wasn't necessary because Shador saw action last year. He played seven or eight games. Like he's, he's got a, a little bit under his belt already. So I think that's why he was able to meet the moment when it was necessary for him to show up and play. Yeah,
[00:47:19] Ronnie Jams: but digressing a little bit, we, we did speculate that and that is a take that they took the training wheels off late. But does it have anything to do with coaching? The fact that now there's been two different quarterbacks and they both look.
The offense in general looks slow and stagnant through three and a half quarters. Then all of a sudden they think it's, it's time to turn it off?
[00:47:44] The Bone Man: I guess. I don't know. Is it just not adapting during the game or it just takes a while I making adjustments. But you feel like you should see that after Halftime,
[00:47:54] Kenny Thunder: like, my takeaway is almost just like, this offense has no identity right now. They can't run the ball. They're not proficient pass blockers.
The quarterback, at least to this point with desean, has been, you know, marginal at best.
And so when you think about this offense, like, what do they do well? And the only thing they've done well all year is hang around and get until the last second and then made a couple of plays. Like, that's the only thing this offense has become known for. And so I think a lot of this game was, like, trying to take care of Shador. And I think they thought if we can get the run game going, that will help. And it just
[00:48:25] Ronnie Jams: never materialized. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So, no. But, yeah, thanks for recapping the recap.
[00:48:31] The Bone Man: I will say, a couple weeks ago, I was like, quinn, Sean's back. Like, he looks fast holes, and then it's just like he's lost again.
I.
Yeah,
[00:48:40] Kenny Thunder: I don't know. Everybody keeps. They had a really hard time with that defensive front. I mean, those. Those guys pretty much ate their lunch on run plays, and they had another five sacks.
It's ugly up front right now.
Well, it
[00:48:56] Ronnie Jams: seemed like they were progressively getting better, and now they've taken several steps back these last few weeks. So kind of disheartening. And we'll talk more about that later, too, in the preview for this week. But thank you all for coming with us to the Bone Zone. We
[00:49:11] Kenny Thunder: appreciate it. Everyone's most anticipated segment. Yep.
[00:49:14] Ronnie Jams: And now it's time to move on to the Browns brief.
All right, so starting off the Browns brief here, fans are calling out a perceived bias against the Brown rounds by the league and the refs as penalties mount. Monkham just hit on this. We kind of disagreed with them, but I said to hold most of that for right now. The question is, is it legitimate or not? And I will start out with my opinion.
Guys, if they weren't the most penalized team in the NFL, then I would say this probably holds some water and I'd be a little upset. But the fact is this is a completely undisciplined team and. And they're making it easy for refs to call penalties because they're not following the rules. Guys, they
[00:50:05] The Bone Man: had back to back defensive offside penalties back to back. Yeah, they can't. They get. They got tricked by a hard count twice in a row.
Well, I
[00:50:17] Kenny Thunder: think that's the problem, right, Is it's. It's not all of these penalties are subjective. They're not all holding Calls. Right. Like it's pre snap offense where guys aren't aligned properly. The. We had the illegal touching on Sunday for the guy that ran out of bounds on the punt and, you know, 10 penalties anytime you're jumping off sides. So we had
[00:50:36] Ronnie Jams: six in the first quarter.
Yeah, these
[00:50:39] The Bone Man: aren't controversial penalties. These are like, you should watch them move on screen or they're lined up wrong or. Yeah, you touch a ball after going out of
[00:50:46] Kenny Thunder: bounds, like, you might get one a game. That's a little subjective on like an illegal contact or something or a PI. But most of them are like operational penalties where it's like, guys, you just are not following the rules, basic
[00:50:57] Ronnie Jams: as can be. And. And. And the thing is, like, this transcends coaches, like coaching staffs in Cleveland. Like, we've been the most undisciplined team in the league for probably going on a decade. Like, it's just. It's what we do. We
[00:51:11] Kenny Thunder: commit penalties. When you think about the things that bad teams do, the Browns have been really good at them. Not scoring a lot of points, giving up a lot of sacks, having a lot of injuries and having a lot of turnovers and penalties. Like, those things have followed the Browns for almost 30 years.
[00:51:25] Ronnie Jams: If there's some things we've been consistent at, those are them. Those are them.
So, yeah, I just, you know, fans, calm down, listeners. Calm down. It's not the refs have anything against the Browns. It's that the Browns aren't very good. And I understand they're still above.500. But the Browns are not a good team right now. They're. The only
[00:51:46] Kenny Thunder: point that I might give you on bias is.
And it wouldn't have mattered this week, but for the first few weeks, the no calls. No. But the maybe potential Deshaun Watson bias.
I could see there being people out there that are just like, this guy's a bad guy. And so if I have a
[00:52:05] Ronnie Jams: chance, that's what I meant with the no calls was there. I will tell you that's. Again, I'll agree with you. It's the only area where I think there's some legitimacy to this. And it's because it's. It's kind of been documented on social media and everything else. There's been at least six face masks on Deshaun Watson that haven't been called. Well,
[00:52:23] Kenny Thunder: and I'm not even talking about just the calls on DeShawn. I'm just saying, like, they're not. The fact that he's on favors because it's. It's kind of the clown show that, like, how is this still going on? Like, how does this guy still employed? How is he still in the NFL and still has a, a starting job? Like, this is insanity.
If you were, if you were any person at all that had any like, moral fiber, like Todd Monkin clearly doesn't, but.
Because as long as you can throw a football, that's all that matters. But I could see there being groups of people out there that just don't like Deshaun Watson. For love. If
[00:52:56] The Bone Man: you, if you Google AI most penalized teams in the last 10 years. Who do you guys think is number one?
[00:53:01] Kenny Thunder: The Browns. Jets. Dolphins. Browns.
Cowboys. Jets.
[00:53:05] The Bone Man: Browns.
And we're only, we're only five behind the jets for second. Nice.
We'll
[00:53:12] Ronnie Jams: catch them.
We'll catch them. Give us
[00:53:16] Kenny Thunder: enough years. Yeah, we'll definitely be in
[00:53:18] Ronnie Jams: the lead next up here. Jeremy Fowler reported Monday that the Browns plan to return to DeSean Watson as the starter for the Texans game. Kenny Well, I think thoughts on this. That's the, that's
[00:53:29] Kenny Thunder: the thing, right? Like to Bones point that was breaking news earlier. It was reported like it was fact that the Browns had decided DeSean will be the starter again. Which, look, there's a lot that goes into this conversation, right? I think one is I think Shador afforded himself pretty well in, in the game on Sunday, right? Like he proved that he can play in the league and that he's at, at worst, he's not an outright disaster. Like he's not unplayable, right? Like he can play enough. He didn't have any turnovers. He didn't have any turnover. Like I, I mean I thought he played really well. But I'm saying if you're somebody that hates Shador, I think you have have to at the, at a base level acknowledge that he looked like a guy that can play in the NFL. Some like you, like, if you listen to people that hate Shador, they act like he's absolutely
[00:54:11] Ronnie Jams: the worst quarterback. Should have been more
[00:54:13] Kenny Thunder: touchdown, more touchdown. You're right.
So I think he at least afforded himself that, that he's a legitimate NFL player.
I think it was really interesting after the game when they asked Todd and Todd didn't immediately say DeSean Watson is the starter next week because he's been our starter all year. The only reason he didn't play this week is because he had a concussion and Shador took all the reps this week.
Assuming that he's healthy next week, he'll be the starter. Like that would have been the end of the conversation. And it would have been perfectly a reasonable response. I think we've seen that response a million times from other coaches across lots of sports, right? Like he's the starter. He's not going to lose his job to injury. This was a one week thing because it was a concussion. The fact that he did and I think opens the door now to other conversations, which is, are the Browns starting to think about the future? Are they starting to think about desean's not going to be here next year? Shador, is. Is there a point in time where this starts to make sense? You're 5 and 4 now, right? It was different maybe when you were 5 and 2 and you're kind of riding the hot wave of Deshaun Watson because if you got to 7 and 2 or 8 and 2, you start to go, this is a legitimate playoff team. Well, now you're coming back to almost.500. And the rest of the division, Cincinnati and. And Pittsburgh, are still playing good football. So. So every time you fall another game behind those guys, it starts to become easier to start to go. A transition plan starts to make sense.
And I think the danger of what they are doing now is if you go immediately back to Desean and let's say you lose this week and you're 5 and 5 heading into the buy, that would be the very traditional point that you would make a quarterback change. So are you going to go? Desean started two weeks ago. Shador started last week. Week Sean starts this week, come back from the buy, and now she, like that is a musical chair mess.
So if the Browns were truly being thoughtful about this and going to make a good decision, it would probably be. If we're going to make a quarterback change this year and we expect it to just do it now. There's every snap that DeSean Watson takes between now and the end of the year, unless this team wins out is an absolute waste of everyone's
[00:56:18] Ronnie Jams: time.
Which brings me to my next
[00:56:21] Speaker C: point.
[00:56:23] Ronnie Jams: Pump the brakes, Jeremy Fowler. Because Todd Monke on Monday afternoon during his press conference was asked about the supposed news that they were returning to desean Watson as a starter. And he basically said, well, hold on, we haven't made that decision. The coaches have not gotten back together. We've watched the film, but we've not gotten back together to make the decision on the starting quarterback. And he also stated that he didn't feel like he needed to make that decision by Tuesday's game planning session. So,
[00:56:58] Kenny Thunder: you
[00:56:58] Ronnie Jams: know, it brings in more conversation here. As far as what's going on. And I, I will, I, I will continue this, this thinking into.
Is he creating quarterback controversy by just not making a
[00:57:10] Kenny Thunder: decision? Oh, 100%. Because it keeps the conversation going. Like, why wouldn't
[00:57:14] Ronnie Jams: you. To your, to your point, it's super easy. Just I don't even care which way you go. Just make a decision. Yeah. And then it shuts everything
[00:57:20] Kenny Thunder: down. But the easiest decision would have been we're 5 and 4 and still in the mix and DeShawn's our starter, like, period. Done like. And no one would have even questioned it. Now you have.
But, but the conventional wisdom, you would have said that makes sense.
But now you have thrown gasoline on this fire and you have, you have taken a polarized conversation and a polarized fan base and made it a million times worse because everyone's still. I think the general consensus among Browns fans is we are itching to see Shador and we are tired of desean. So the, the feeling around town, the vibes are we want Shador. So you just continue this conversation. But I will say to Todd Monkin's credit, like, if they really are taking their time with this and they really are being thoughtful about this and they really are going to go back and watch the film, I think the film speaks volumes because I think Shador handed himself really well, not just statistically. I think to Bowen's point earlier, which is his poise in the pocket. Right. When you think about growth and trajectory of a player, a lot of Shador's early struggles were happy feet in the pocket, holding onto the ball too long, making bad decisions.
I thought he stood in the pocket, especially in the fourth quarter, taking a lot of pressure, taking a lot of hits. That ball he delivered to Jerry Judy was a monster where he just got crushed. And those are plays that I think when you start to differentiate these quarterbacks, I don't think DeSean Watson is making or has made very many of this year and
[00:58:47] Ronnie Jams: should Sean Watson ain't got the stones.
[00:58:49] Kenny Thunder: Shador made a bunch of them in this game. So this would reinstill my faith in Todd Monk and a lot if they make that decision now, if they go back to desean this week week and come out of the buy and then make a quarterback change. I'm done with Todd Monkin. I. I've been done on Todd Monkin for like I said in after game one, like fire Todd Monkin. Like, I was this. Oh, I said after the whole quarterback debacle in the offseason, I. Todd Monkin clearly isn't thinking straight. If they make the decision now, he can reinstill my faith in him. Not that that matters to him, but sure, he's listening. But I think it's a disaster if you go back to desean this week and come out of the buy and make sure the quarterback later. I think it just shows indecisiveness, like your inability to have any courage and. And make a decision.
[00:59:34] Ronnie Jams: I will say this, his comments back up the actions. In my opinion, him saying, we've seen the film and we haven't made the decision yet backs up like to your. You said it as you were speaking. There is. Okay. If you watch the film and you're truly impressed with how. How well Shador played and how much he's kind of come along over the last however many months, that would speak to like, let's hang on a second. Let's not be, you know, to quote tree beard, don't be hasty. Don't be hasty. Let's. Let's see what. What is happening here and maybe it is time to. To make the
[01:00:12] Kenny Thunder: change. Make that change.
I was thinking Aladdin when you said hasty, but I can't think of the line now.
Regardless,
[01:00:27] Ronnie Jams: doesn't he tell Iago said Jafar. That says it.
[01:00:32] Kenny Thunder: Let's not be so hasty.
Still, I think he's rather tasty. Gotta eat to live. Gotta steal to eat. Tell you all about it when I
[01:00:41] Ronnie Jams: got that time.
Yeah, that's. That's it. It wasn't Jafari.
[01:00:47] Kenny Thunder: But. But again, this, this to me is a thoughtful approach. Right? Like, we're not gonna rush into decisions decision. I think this is good. I think it's, it's, it's growth from an organization that is used to making
[01:00:57] Ronnie Jams: hasty decisions. Well, hold on. You got to caveat that with. You think it's growth as long as they make the decision you think they should make. Well,
[01:01:04] Kenny Thunder: no, no, I. Even if they go back to desean now, I think that's the wrong decision. But I do think them not just rushing into it at this point is good because it would have been again really at any point.
[01:01:14] Ronnie Jams: Although if they switch back, then you're done with Todd Monken. So if they
[01:01:17] Kenny Thunder: switch. If they switch back back and then they come out of the buy
[01:01:19] Ronnie Jams: and make. That's what I'm saying. If they switch back, they continue to play
[01:01:22] Kenny Thunder: musical chairs. You're just a disaster and a joke of a football coach. I
[01:01:25] Ronnie Jams: like this. I like how you can think that they're making strides in the right direction and then immediately turn around and say you guys suck. It's. It's
[01:01:32] Kenny Thunder: the most Brownsy thing that they could do. Right. Like when you think about the Browns are going to Browns, what would you do? Well, let's play Deshawn one week, Shador the next week to Sean the next week and then come out of the bio. Shador. That is a Browns story. Like, you couldn't outright it any more direct. All while you
[01:01:45] Ronnie Jams: were five and two at one point.
[01:01:46] Kenny Thunder: Point you were five and two. Point this, the season collapses. It not the
[01:01:51] Ronnie Jams: same scenario as far as how it's playing out at all. But this just very much reminds me of like when they were in first place with Brian Hoyer and then we were like, let's give Johnny Manzel a chance just because we're in first place. I guess Johnny
[01:02:04] Kenny Thunder: got a raw deal. I know you
[01:02:06] Ronnie Jams: love Johnny Manzel. Let's not rehash that. But that'll do it for the Browns Brief. Let's go ahead and get into the division roundup.
All right, so first up, Cincinnati doubled up the Fighting Stefankes. So Stefankis Stefanskis, 34 to 17.
I went out on a limb on this one. That was the wrong limb to go out on.
I was wrong. So I'm back another game. And King of the North. You guys are both right.
Baltimore got humped by The Jacksonville Jaguars 33 to 10. They've lost their last two games. 33 to.
Was it 33 to 6 or whatever it was. And then 33 to 10. Yeah. Can I say one
[01:02:54] Kenny Thunder: thing about Baltimore? We talked about, like, expectations at the. I did in. In the open of the show. I don't know if you guys watched this game at all. It was on Thursday night and Feignano was in his first start. Undrafted rookie out of. Out of Yuk.
Um, your starting quarterback is gone. Your backup quarterback is gone. You're starting an undrafted rookie out of Yukon. What were your expectations? Because midway through the game,
[01:03:20] Ronnie Jams: they should have been none. There should have been no expectations. The boobirds were
[01:03:23] Kenny Thunder: out because they could not move the ball. And I'm like, what did you think was going to happen here? Because everyone knew this was going to happen, right? Like, he wasn't going to be good. This was not going to be the second coming of Joe Namath here. Like, this was some guy named Fano that went to Yukon that no. No one's ever heard of before. It was poised to be a poor showing. I felt bad for the kid. Like, he was giving it everything he's got. He's just not very good. That's not his fault. He was put in a really.
[01:03:49] Ronnie Jams: Drafted out of Yukon, put in a
[01:03:51] Kenny Thunder: really tough spot. He didn't. There was never in a million years you're coming in behind Lamar Jackson and then another guy who's not just a backup, he's a career backup. He's made an entire livelihood out of being the backup. There's no world in which you thought you were going to play this year and here you are on prime time getting booed by your home fan. Fans. Get
[01:04:10] Ronnie Jams: out of here. Baltimore. I just love every time either Baltimore or Pittsburgh go through like these short pain, like lots of pain. Yeah, these, these short bouts of pain because their fans, you know people talk about Cleveland fans all the time but Fairweather fans to the max. These, these Baltimore and, and Pittsburgh fans because as soon as they, I mean hell Pittsburgh's made the playoffs every year for like ever and they, they fired their, they wanted their fire coach fired for the last five years. Like it's just comical to me like how, how fickle these fans are and how they just don't understand what it, what it means to really be behind your team
[01:04:49] Kenny Thunder: through thick and thin. Zero situational awareness. No, zero. The situational awareness on par with the Sean Watson, like that's, that's
[01:04:58] Ronnie Jams: where they're at. And Madden, they need to get in their playbook. Get in their playbook. Yeah, we were all right on that one though because we had no expectations for an undrafted rookie. I
[01:05:09] Kenny Thunder: was like it's gonn really ugly. So
[01:05:11] Ronnie Jams: we said it was going to be
[01:05:12] Kenny Thunder: an easy win for Jacksonville. Yeah.
Speaking of Madden, are you guys pretty excited about Nick Cage movie coming out? John
[01:05:18] Ronnie Jams: Madden, I don't know. Nick Cage is pretty dope. John Madden's pretty dope. So I'm excited.
I had to think about it. I forgot that that was coming out so soon but yeah, now I'm excited again. It is Nick Cage, right,
[01:05:30] Kenny Thunder: isn't it? Cage's John Madden. That's right.
[01:05:32] Ronnie Jams: I think it is. I didn't make that. Fact checker. We need you for a third time tonight. They were really
[01:05:36] The Bone Man: making it work. It is Nick Cage.
[01:05:37] Kenny Thunder: I didn't just make that up, did
[01:05:38] Ronnie Jams: I? I don't know. We'll find out.
We'll move on on division roundup though while he's looking at up. Pittsburgh was on by so they didn't have a game and then Cleveland got beat by the Saints 23, 22 and we were all wrong. We thought that they'd be able to bounce back and they did not.
[01:05:55] The Bone Man: I googled is Nick Cage John Madden? And Google AI goes, no, Nicholas Cage is not John Madden, but he portrays the legendary football coach and broadcaster in the upcoming biographical film
[01:06:05] Ronnie Jams: Madden. Thank you.
[01:06:09] The Bone Man: Funny the way so
[01:06:11] Ronnie Jams: literal.
Needless to say, nobody picked the correct score for the Browns game.
And so for the AFC north standings, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati are tied for the division lead at 6 and 2. The Cleveland Browns are at 5 and 4, and the Baltimore Ravens are officially under.500 at 4 and 5. They are
[01:06:27] Kenny Thunder: not going to be the King of the North. No. This year, you know
[01:06:30] Ronnie Jams: who else is it? Me. What did
[01:06:32] Kenny Thunder: you go this week? One and two.
[01:06:33] Ronnie Jams: One and two. Nice. I went back, I got back to 500. Now I'm below. Below 500. I'm kicking
[01:06:37] Kenny Thunder: myself because I literally started my Browns pick last week with if DeSean starts, they'll lose, and if Shador starts, they're going to lose. And then I still
[01:06:45] Ronnie Jams: picked the Browns.
I'm kicking myself, too, because I said I really wanted to pick the Saints, but I was like,
[01:06:53] Kenny Thunder: I could have had a lead, a
[01:06:54] Ronnie Jams: game lead on bone. Yep. Current King of the north standings, you guys are tied at 19 and 10 still, and I'm at 14 and 15.
And, you know, we talked about this off air and I'll give you props for sticking through, sticking with it the last few years because when you get behind, it's like impossible to come back in King of North. There's only so many games
[01:07:11] Kenny Thunder: to pick. Yeah. Especially once the division
[01:07:13] Ronnie Jams: games start. Yeah, it's. You go from
[01:07:15] Kenny Thunder: four games each week to three to
[01:07:16] Ronnie Jams: two sometimes. Yeah, it's wild. So I'm not real confident that things are going to turn around, but I'm still going to keep talking to you anyways because you've suffered four punishments. Soon to be four punishments, and I still haven't suffered
[01:07:27] Kenny Thunder: any. So yours is going to be
[01:07:29] Ronnie Jams: four times as bad as mine.
But with that, let's take a quick trip around the NFL. We're going to have
[01:07:35] Kenny Thunder: somebody tackle you while they're waxing your butthole while I throw eggs at you and they're shaving you at the same.
[01:07:40] Ronnie Jams: Oh, my God.
[01:07:53] Kenny Thunder: It's the fifth season.
[01:07:54] Ronnie Jams: We got to go big.
All the punishments in one.
While somebody's shaving my head. Yes.
I just get hit in the eye with an egg bone. Shaving
[01:08:04] Kenny Thunder: your head while I throw eggs at
[01:08:05] Ronnie Jams: your face. Get my butthole wax. That means bones doing the butthole waxing, too.
[01:08:09] Kenny Thunder: No, I'm not doing that. Big John tackles you and then rips the wax
[01:08:14] Ronnie Jams: strip off of you, turns you over,
[01:08:16] Kenny Thunder: rips, pulls it directly out of your crevice. It sounds terrible.
[01:08:21] Ronnie Jams: All right. So the trade deadline is Tuesday this week. By the time you hear this episode, the trade deadline will pass. All the big news will be broken.
But the notable move so far we're recording on Monday night. So the notable move so far Oct. 27, the Colts traded offensive guard Quinton Nelson to the Seattle Seahawks for a third and a fifth round pick. The Indianapolis Colts also traded defensive tackle DeForest Buckner to the San Francisco 49ers for a fourth round pick. On October 29th, the Tennessee Titans traded defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons in a 2028 fifth round pick to the Chicago Bears for two first round picks in a 2027 fourth round pick pick. That guy's pretty good. Yeah. On November 4th, the Arizona Cardinals traded QB Jacoby Brissette in a fifth round pick to the Baltimore Ravens for a fourth round pick and a seventh round pick.
And then these four moves were all made on November, November 9th. On Monday, November 9th, the Atlanta Falcons traded safety Jesse Bates to the Jacksonville Jaguars for a second round pick and a fifth round pick. The New Orleans Saints traded defensive tackle Devon Was that God show good Joe. To the Jacksonville Jaguars for a 2028 six round pick.
The New York jets traded safety Andre Cisco.
Ah, let
[01:09:35] Kenny Thunder: me see that thong baby dumps like
[01:09:41] Ronnie Jams: a truck. Truck.
They traded him to the Detroit lions for a 2028 six round pick. And the Philadelphia Eagles traded defensive tackle Jordan Davis to the Jacksonville Jaguars for a 2027 first round pick and a 2029 second round pick. So in case you you aren't seeing all this, the Jacksonville Jaguars are all in. They're ready. They said we are making up a Super bowl run this year. They expect to win it all now. I
[01:10:07] Kenny Thunder: mean look around the league like the premier teams that you would expect really aren't there or they're kind of there.
Jacksonville's been just as good as anyone that you, that you would have expected to start the year to be in that conversation.
You know, Trevor Lawrence has looked good. They're able to run the ball little bit. They've got some decent receivers like that. That offense is moving the ball, they've been scoring points and that defense is good. So there's no reason why they shouldn't go all in the NFL in today's world. Those windows open and close quickly like when Baker was here. We thought geez, we're going to be in the playoffs for the next 10 years and we weren't here.
[01:10:40] Ronnie Jams: We are. So we were not.
There's a lot of other big names floating around out there. I know, like Jonathan
[01:10:47] Kenny Thunder: Taylor.
Jonathan Taylor's kind of the biggest
[01:10:50] Ronnie Jams: one that I. Derek Henry. But. But a lot of these guys, it's been reported that they aren't to actually be moved. It's just kind of like they're listening to offers. But we'll see what happens. Jonathan Taylor's probably the only one where it's.
It seems like it's a foregone conclusion that he will be moved.
[01:11:04] Kenny Thunder: He kind of like sounded resigned in
[01:11:06] Ronnie Jams: like his. He gave a. A farewell speech to the. To the Colts fans
[01:11:11] Kenny Thunder: basically saying it's been good to be
[01:11:13] Ronnie Jams: here. Yeah. So we'll see what happens there. I mean, what a.
[01:11:21] Kenny Thunder: There. I mean what a. An addition. Gotta hit
[01:11:23] Ronnie Jams: it twice. He would be too. That's what I always say.
[01:11:30] Kenny Thunder: What an addition he would be to a team though, that was. Was kind of on the
[01:11:33] Ronnie Jams: cusp. I don't know like any teams out there that are struggling in the running game.
[01:11:40] Kenny Thunder: If the Browns had Jonathan Taylor, would we be for sure in
[01:11:43] Ronnie Jams: the playoff hunt? If the Browns had Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan Taylor would be ass.
[01:11:46] Kenny Thunder: He'd have average. Average 2.8
[01:11:48] Ronnie Jams: yards of carry. Yeah, probably.
Although I'd be excited. I mean he might average more just because you have to account for him and Quinton Judkins, like he might average 3.6. And Quinn Sean still averages 2.8. No
[01:11:57] Kenny Thunder: one's accounting for Quinch on Jenkins right
[01:11:59] Ronnie Jams: now. That's fair. Dylan Sampson though.
Yeah,
[01:12:03] Kenny Thunder: I like Quinch on it. Makes me sad to say that, but no one's game planning around stopping him. Hey, I
[01:12:08] Ronnie Jams: tried to have this conversation. Everybody told me I was crazy. I stopped having
[01:12:11] Kenny Thunder: it. I think the only reason Quinchon had a good game this year is because no one's game planning for him. He took them by surprise. Surprised. They
[01:12:18] Ronnie Jams: were like, oh dang, that dad can run a little bit.
But anyways, the other big news this. There's a couple other stories, but the biggest thing was just the injury bug has finally struck the NFL. Like it's. It was all over this week some big names Rams wide receiver Puka Nakua likely headed to IR with a sprained MCL and pcl. We'll see if he misses the rest of the season or if it's just a few weeks.
Rams QB or I'm sorry, Chargers QB Herbert avoids a fracture of his fist finger.
However, it's potential to miss some time there.
Josh Jacobs may hit IR as he needs surgery on a fractured ring finger on his right hand.
What kind of running back
[01:13:00] Kenny Thunder: needs a ring finger? Just cut it
[01:13:01] Ronnie Jams: off. Just cut it off. Ronnie Lott. Now we're talking. Yeah. There you go. Great name.
Gardner Minshew will have surgery to repair uc. His ucl.
He's gonna miss some time. Feels bad he just got the job. Yeah. Michael Wilson. And they just shipped at Jacoby. Yep. Michael Wilson also done for the season. Neck injury.
So just all over the place. Just, just big injuries this. This week. Multiple season ending injuries. Guys going down left and right.
It's. It's about that time. Right. It's the middle of the season. So these things start to add up to where you can't really, you know, guys, you start losing guys. Look at Schwessinger.
That's my point is like, you can, you can tough it out for so long and it's starting to get to the point where these guys can't play through this stuff. Anyone?
[01:13:48] Speaker E: So,
[01:13:49] Ronnie Jams: yeah, lots of injuries. I'm sure fantasy teams around the league are suffering. Kyler
[01:13:52] Kenny Thunder: Murray hurt his butt. Hurt his butt.
[01:13:55] Ronnie Jams: Could be out for a while. That big butt injury. Yep.
Next Here, the NFL reinstates Brandon Iuk.
The 49ers have him on the exempt list for two more weeks before they have to make a decision on what they're going to do with him. Kyle
[01:14:10] Kenny Thunder: Shanahan seems to be a big fan. Every time they ask. Yeah. He's like,
[01:14:14] Ronnie Jams: I just, I just love that he literally doesn't hold back at all. They're like, well, what do you think's gonna happen? He's like, I could care less.
Don't really give a.
And he more or less says, like, he doesn't outright say it, but he more or less says, if he's on our team, I'm not playing him. So he's a big fan. Yeah, he just, he just seems so annoyed, too. Like every time they ask the question, he like rolls his eyes and then gives the answer. Who
[01:14:39] Kenny Thunder: does, who does Kyle Shanahan hate worse? Brandon Iuk or Johnny Manzel? Who.
That's
[01:14:45] Ronnie Jams: a, that's, that's a tough one. We should put a poll up this week, but, yeah, we'll see what happens there.
I like that he. He signed Drew Rosenhaus, one of the biggest agents in the game, and was like, you come with me. We're going to find a deal here. So do you guys think he ends up anywhere else or is he just going to be not playing
[01:15:03] Kenny Thunder: this year?
I don't think he plays anywhere this year. I. I don't know that he'll play anywhere ever again. Like, whatever. Whatever went down there was obviously really bad. And we. We've seen some.
[01:15:13] Ronnie Jams: He just stopped coming to work. I
[01:15:15] Kenny Thunder: know, but I mean, there was clearly probably some things set because there is more animosity there than. Than there has been anywhere since Billy Manziel flew himself to Las Vegas in the middle of
[01:15:26] Speaker C: the night.
[01:15:29] Ronnie Jams: I like how of all the, like, coaches, front office people in the entire league, like, Kyle Shanahan's the one. It's like, I don't give a shit. I'll just say whatever I want to say, so.
But yeah, so that's a mess.
Miles Garrett and the Rams tracker Miles Garrett made his return this week. He's been out since week one, and it was probably had three sacks in a forced fumble.
Instantly outperforming Jared Ver every single game this season. Making up for lost time.
Yeah. So now we can go back to the Jared Ver sucks conversation. Like, where is this dude at and why hasn't he made a single play?
Did he have a
[01:16:05] The Bone Man: tackle this week or. No. 2. 2.
[01:16:06] Ronnie Jams: He didn't have any until overtime. No, not until overtime. He had zero tackles.
[01:16:10] The Bone Man: He almost. Almost had a sack the
[01:16:13] Kenny Thunder: Carson had to clean up. Yeah. Yeah. And that would have been a big play at a big moment. Like, that
[01:16:18] Ronnie Jams: would have been huge. He didn't, though. He didn't, though. Our good player had that play. We gotta bring Kenny back
[01:16:25] Kenny Thunder: on to talk about this because he wasn't ready to write him off, but I don't know. It's not looking good.
[01:16:31] Ronnie Jams: I'm pretty ready now. Since. How long
[01:16:33] Kenny Thunder: ago was it that we had at
[01:16:35] Ronnie Jams: the point when Miles Harden has more
[01:16:37] Kenny Thunder: sacks than you? Miles Harden is a superior pass rusher than Jared Verse. Yeah.
[01:16:43] Ronnie Jams: Two sacks. Yeah. Yesterday. Jared Versa ain't had two sacks in a game since
[01:16:46] Kenny Thunder: last year.
How many weeks ago did we have Kenny Mack on? 4.
[01:16:51] The Bone Man: 2. 3.
[01:16:53] Kenny Thunder: And Jared verse has done less since talking to Kenny than he did
[01:16:57] Ronnie Jams: up until completed. I think he has two tackles total since then.
Does he
[01:17:01] The Bone Man: at least grade well on. No, no.
[01:17:03] Ronnie Jams: He's like.
He's almost at the bottom.
[01:17:06] Kenny Thunder: He's at like. He's like 85th in the league out of like 120 eligible pass rushers and pressures. He's bad.
Wow. Really bad. Yeah. I
[01:17:14] Ronnie Jams: don't. I don't really understand it. He just disappeared. But anyways, the Rams themselves as a team. Wait, before we move
[01:17:20] Kenny Thunder: on from that, I just want to go Back Just. Just for last, for a minute. Because when the move was made, people were saying Cleveland absolutely won this trade. Jared versus an ascending pass rusher. Some people said he might even be better than Miles Garrett. He'll be better for this deep defense than Miles
[01:17:39] Ronnie Jams: Garrett being here. I'm glad all of us here agreed that he's not better than Miles Garrett because one of us looked like a complete idiot. He wouldn't want to have that recorded. No. Out in the airways like you lose All. All.
Yeah. I mean, I love the
[01:17:53] Kenny Thunder: optimism, Browns fans, but come on. It was never gonna. He was never gonna be better than Miles. No. Not even
[01:17:58] Ronnie Jams: a better fit. No.
Yeah. In fact, he came here and. And he just disappeared. He's like, I know. Don't.
I'll never play again. I think he's still in la. Yeah.
The Rams, as a team, their record is now five and four, and they're starting to trend in the wrong direction for the Cleveland Browns pick. Yeah, they're. They're finally starting to get their footing, and it seems like they're winning more than they're losing now. Obviously, they're back above 500 bifurcation, so. Yeah, right direction for them, wrong
[01:18:25] Kenny Thunder: direction for the Browns. Right track. Ground
[01:18:27] Ronnie Jams: track. Yeah.
The next step in the final thing, the Browns brief. I'm sorry, the. Our trip around the NFL is the Kevin Stefanski trip. Stefanky. Good old Stefanki out there. As mentioned, the Falcons lost to the Bengals 34 17. They're now 3 and 6.
But the Falcons are going to get better. They need to get better. And they will get better, but they're not better yet. We all got it. The Browns are better than the Falcons.
Yeah, we all got to get better. Yeah, we will
[01:18:56] Kenny Thunder: get better.
I mean, we make fun of Stefanke, but I don't know if you guys have been hearing Todd Monken lately talking about. About, you know, like, the penalties and discipline. Gotta clean it up. Gotta clean it up. Gotta fight like hell to fix it. We're fighting
[01:19:10] Ronnie Jams: like hell. We're looking at what we're
[01:19:11] Kenny Thunder: calling gonna fight like hell to fix
[01:19:13] Ronnie Jams: it. That's all the above. And we're gonna fight like hell to fix it.
[01:19:17] Kenny Thunder: Gonna fight like hell every week. It's
[01:19:19] Ronnie Jams: not good enough, and it falls directly on me. And we're gonna fight like hell to get it fixed. This is
[01:19:24] The Bone Man: awesome, man. I mean, I'm an NFL
[01:19:25] Ronnie Jams: coach.
That's what I guys, like, I'm.
[01:19:29] Kenny Thunder: This is house money. Like, I'm an NFL head coach. I'm 60 years old.
[01:19:33] Speaker C: Old
[01:19:36] Kenny Thunder: going to fight like hell to
[01:19:37] Ronnie Jams: fix it.
Maybe a couple more weeks of that. That'll be the title of one of our shows here. You keep
[01:19:42] Kenny Thunder: asking like how do you, how do you get this. The offense started sooner. We're going to. I don't know. We're going to. I don't know. But we're going to fight like hell to fix
[01:19:48] Ronnie Jams: it.
I think it's almost like how
[01:19:51] Kenny Thunder: do you get the penalties?
I don't know. But we're going to fight like hell to fix it. It seems to
[01:19:55] Ronnie Jams: me like Todd Monkin's like the more like lesser swear words I can throw into my press conferences, the more down to earth I see. Well, I think
[01:20:03] Kenny Thunder: people still, he, it' still his. His shtick. And he's like people still like this, right? Like if I cuss a
[01:20:08] Ronnie Jams: little, just a little, not a lot. Like I don't want to go dropping F bomb. Like just, just a little blue collar. Except for that one time when I said that just, just a
[01:20:16] Kenny Thunder: little blue collar. Maybe he should have ran for governor. He might have had better luck.
Let's not go more relatable.
[01:20:22] Ronnie Jams: Let's not go there.
But you know
[01:20:24] Kenny Thunder: what it is time for? I have
[01:20:26] Ronnie Jams: no idea. It's time for another interview in our Browns Backers interview series.
[01:20:35] The Bone Man: I
[01:20:35] Speaker E: say we interview you. All right. Yes.
[01:20:38] Ronnie Jams: That's a sometimes useful exercise. At least
[01:20:41] Kenny Thunder: put your hand down.
Go ahead. How much money do you make a year before taxes?
I'm actually not comfortable answering that. Come on. We're doing the interview
[01:20:51] Ronnie Jams: now, not you.
All right. For this brownsbackers interview, please help me welcome hailing from Times Square Entertainment in Katy, Texas, president of the Katy, Texas Browns backers, Joe. Joe, Thank you so much for joining us. How are you today?
I'm
[01:21:13] Speaker E: doing great. My pleasure to join. Thank
[01:21:15] Ronnie Jams: you.
Absolutely. It's always fun having the Browns backers presidents on. So I mean, with that, let me just tell us a little bit about your chapter.
Yeah,
[01:21:25] Speaker E: sure. So the KD Brownsbackers have been in business since 2014.
We were a, we were actually, actually an offshoot of the Houston Browns Backers, the Space City Dog Dog Pound.
There was a, that they've been around since the late 80s and there was a couple of guys and, and me that said, hey, we're all from Katy. Let's start our own chapter. So we got affiliated with the Browns and started our own chapter. Katie's about 20 minutes west of Houston. So we started in 201414 and Fred Lorenzer was our, was our president for a couple of years. He turned it over to Derek Anke in 2016 and Derek had a family and work obligations. So I've been the president since 2017.
We started off, I started off with about 40, between 40 and 50 members.
I've grown it out. We have 404 members now, so that's not bad, you know, for a city that's right on Houston's doors doorstep.
Our charity this year is the Ballard House, and they are a nonprofit local organization that houses families of children that are in the Texas Children's Hospital.
So we hope to raise over $1,000 for them this year. We're more than halfway on reaching our
[01:22:50] Ronnie Jams: goal.
Nice.
And then what about events? I mean, I know you guys, everybody's got their own watch parties and everything. You got any big watch parties coming up or any off season events this
[01:23:01] Speaker E: year?
We have a watch party every game day and it's, it's always festive.
The Times Square entertainment, They've got a 24 foot LED screen that is just magnificent. They are the best host possible for us. And yeah, no kidding. We get about, we get around 50 people, 40 to 50 people on a good day, on a good Sunday.
Just depends on how the Browns are doing,
[01:23:30] Ronnie Jams: of course.
Yeah. Being in, being in Texas is. Does everybody else walk in on, on football Sundays and they're like, why the hell is this whole crowd cheering for the Browns on this giant
[01:23:41] Speaker E: screen?
Yeah, because right on the other side we have the whole restaurant area and right on the other side of the restaurant is the bowling alley and, and it's a big bowling alley. And so the people from the bowling alley come running over to the restaurant to find out what the heck's going on. When we start yelling and we do make a lot of noise.
As you
[01:24:03] Kenny Thunder: should. Everything's bigger in Texas. Yeah, including.
[01:24:07] Ronnie Jams: Including TVs. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
No, that's awesome though. Growing it all the way up to 400 and some members is just phenomenal. Phenomenal.
And then obviously, you know, you mentioned the charity work you guys are doing. All the brownsbackers around the world are doing charity work for their, their communities that they're in.
And just the.
Again, we've said it before, but you start to add up all these numbers from each different group and the difference that the brownsbackers are making around the world is just incredible.
[01:24:38] Kenny Thunder: Yeah, thanks.
Are you from the Cleveland area originally or did you grow up in Texas? A Brown Browns fan? No,
[01:24:46] Speaker E: I'm, I'm originally from Sharon, Pennsylvania. Do you guys know where that is? Yeah, sure, sure. It's a border town. Right. You know, right on the Ohio border. I grew up like 10 minutes from Bernie or Bernie Couser, played high school football and I moved to Texas in 1982 and I brought my love for the Browns down here with me and loved it when the Browns and the Browns were in the AFC Central Division with the Houston Oilers because we got to see the them every single year down in the Astrodome in the good old days and, and they still come down here fairly frequently, so we get to have outings every time that they, the Browns come to town. One year we, we did a bus trip that was a lot of fun over to the stadium.
[01:25:34] Ronnie Jams: Yeah, I kind of. I feel like they should just redo the divisions again. We should drop Baltimore out of ours because I hate them and it should be like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati. Then we could just pick up the Texans again. It'll be fine.
[01:25:49] Speaker E: Yeah, I would go for that. Get to see the Browns every year for
[01:25:53] Ronnie Jams: sure. I mean, I guess logistically it doesn't make a whole lot of sense,
[01:25:56] Kenny Thunder: but. No, not at all. Maybe once
[01:25:58] Ronnie Jams: they had some European teams. Yeah.
Doesn't
[01:26:02] Speaker E: make a whole lot of sense.
No.
[01:26:04] Ronnie Jams: No.
Now let's switch gears over to the football side of things here.
Obviously a lot of ups and downs this year already as Browns fans.
What, what can you make of this team right now? And I'll, I'll give you a second question which is very loaded and a big question in itself is what direction do you think they should go at quarterback? Moving forward after this year
[01:26:31] Speaker E: is like a roller coaster ride. They're still finding themselves, I think, think, you know, they don't really have an identity. They, you know, at the beginning of the year, I thought that they were going to be, you know, a really strong defensive team.
Last couple of games, they haven't really stood out defensively.
Our offense is really just trying to find their, their gears. You know, they're having a rough time in the backfield with, with Judkins, with DeSean Dylan Sampson starting to make a little bit of noise and I like the way that he's running the ball these days. But I love our, our wide receivers, you know, Concepcion and in Boston and, and Judy and I love fan and tight end.
[01:27:16] Ronnie Jams: That guy is a beast.
Yeah.
It seems we've been talking about it for several weeks now, probably even longer, probably into last season. And we said, you know, as much as we all love David Ajoku and liked having him as a Cleveland Brown, in our opinion, Harold Fannin is everything that David Ajoku was supposed to be as a Cleveland Brown. Like, he. He just. He's that guy. He puts up numbers. He. He will carry an entire team down the field on his back. Monster and just won't go down. So. Yeah, love the kid.
Yep. Absolutely. And you mentioned the receivers, these young receivers. I mean, you know, that's. It's. The one saving grace with Andrew Barry is these past two years, he's had pretty good drafts and these receivers look good. So we're all excited about that. If only we could find a quarterback to play quarterback edge on
[01:28:13] Speaker E: the defensive line, and I think we'll
[01:28:16] Ronnie Jams: be all right.
Yeah. And speaking of quarterback, what's your. What was your thought there? You think they should stick. They. They announced. Announced Monday they're going back to desean. You think they should stick with desean or do you think that at this point in the season they should start looking towards the future? I know they're technically still in the playoff hunt, but I guess this. This goes with how you feel about the actual
[01:28:39] Speaker E: team.
Yeah, that's a tough call. It really is because desean really had his, you know, he's got his moments, especially in the fourth quarter, you know. You know, really impressive, you know, leading us to those five wins that were all, you know, underneath under a touchdown and, and the fourth quarter comebacks and all of that.
That's really impressive. Shador, he tried to do the same thing against the Saints. He. He came alive in the second half. I don't know why the Browns are just stinking up the joint in the first half. I really don't. It just. It just takes them a while to get their momentum going. I'm not sure.
The play calling is sort of shaky in the first half. And, you know, the second half, they're a little bit more wide open and they're. They're moving the ball down the field. So. I don't know. It's just. I think that desean should. Should remain the quarterback.
He's probably going to get hurt again. You know, our offensive lines having some struggles. So, you know, let's have Shador as the backup and he's going to come in before the season's
[01:29:43] Ronnie Jams: over for sure.
Yeah. DeShawn's already had quite a few scares this season as
[01:29:49] Kenny Thunder: is. That offensive line hasn't helped a
[01:29:51] Ronnie Jams: whole lot. No. Right. So.
Well, Joe,
[01:29:54] Kenny Thunder: I know it's not. They're not the Oilers anymore, but we have a big game against Houston this week. So who do you think wins and what's your
[01:30:01] Speaker E: score prediction? Man, you don't really want to hear my answer on that, but I'll give it to you anyways.
The Texans are coming out in the last three games. They are just curb stomping people right now. They have really, really just come into. I mean, they were picked to be a Super bowl contender this year.
You know, starting out going. I don't know if they were oh and five or one and five, but it was really shaky. But now they're really turning it around and they could still make the playoffs and make a run in the playoffs. And so they're. They're going. You know, we're. We're trending different directions. You know, we've lost our last couple of games. We haven't looked at good that, you know, in losing both of those two games, we look kind of good in moments against the Saints, but against the Steelers, we were just. It was just unwatchable.
So we're kind of trending in different directions. And I think that the. The Texans are probably going to take this one. I'm going to say 31 to 17.
[01:30:58] Ronnie Jams: Handily. Sounds fair.
No, And I agree with pretty much every point that you just made. It is trending completely opposite directions. You even go back to the jets game and the Browns have lost three out of last four, so.
Not good. Yeah, not good. But listen, Joe, we would love to stay on and talk to you for. For a lot longer. It's the one downside to the Brownsbackers interview series is all of the interviews are around 10, 11 minutes and we don't get to talk to you guys enough. But if we're ever down in the area for a Browns game, we definitely want to stop in and say hey and have a beer with you guys.
Enjoy. Hopefully a Browns. Wow.
[01:31:36] Speaker E: So hit me up, guys. I love your. I love the. The Chub jersey
[01:31:40] Ronnie Jams: there. Love that. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's. I, I think our entire show, maybe. I'm. I'm not sure about Bone for sure, but I know Kenny and I is our favorite Cleveland Brown of all time. So Batman Bone to my. It
[01:31:54] Speaker E: broke my heart when he came down here to the Texans. It broke my. Because I got. I had, you know, now I'm seeing him here in Houston.
[01:32:02] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you got lucky. You got to see him his whole career then, so.
But again, Joe, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it and hopefully we'll see you sometime down the road. All right. Thanks,
[01:32:14] Speaker E: Ronnie. Thanks, Kenny.
We're the Katy Texas Browns backers and you are listening to the Burning River Sportscast. Go Brown.
[01:32:29] Speaker C: Ah,
[01:32:30] Ronnie Jams: good time.
Good time. Talking to Joe from the Katy, Texas Brownsbaggers. Huh?
Texas.
[01:32:37] Kenny Thunder: That's gonna be important later.
Do we
[01:32:40] Ronnie Jams: have Texas facts today? Hell, yes.
Now we're talking. You can't get anything by
[01:32:45] Kenny Thunder: me. But.
But Joe. Joe. Can I just say, Joe was very professional. Yeah, very.
Like. Like, it's. It's. So I think we were talking to another podc. He was like. We told him how long the interview was going to be, and, like, when we got there, like. Like he was on the numbers, which is. Which is a very difficult skill, I think, if you talk to, like, actual radio guys when they have to do ad reads and they have to do it in 30, 60, 90 seconds, like very few of them can. Joe, he was consummate professional. Yeah, I mean,
[01:33:17] Ronnie Jams: our podcast is the worst at it. We tell you. We say we have a.
The newest story of the week. Let's talk about different things. We have three minutes to talk about this. Well, going to go for 37.
So
[01:33:29] Kenny Thunder: Joe kept us on schedule. Yeah, just
[01:33:31] Ronnie Jams: like Shador Sanders. We appreciate that we talked a little bit about it with Joe, but I think it's time. It's finally time to dive into this week's game with the Week 10 preview.
[01:33:52] Speaker C: All
[01:33:52] Ronnie Jams: right, this week, guys, we've got the Houston Texans.
The Houston Oilers.
No, they're not. We have the Houston Texans. Kenny, it's time for your favorite part. Tennessee
[01:34:06] Kenny Thunder: has the Oilers, actually. Yeah, they took
[01:34:08] Ronnie Jams: those. It's time for your favorite part. Oh, it's time for Kenny's Cliff Notes.
[01:34:15] Kenny Thunder: Kenny's Cliff Notes. Here we go. Is
[01:34:18] Ronnie Jams: it.
Stop.
This is my least favorite thing that we do in this whole
[01:34:22] Kenny Thunder: show.
It's the same show every week
[01:34:26] Ronnie Jams: over and over. Seriously, Monum, thanks for
[01:34:29] Kenny Thunder: listening.
Kenny's Cliff Notes. Cleveland returns home, looking to bounce back from the overtime lost in New Orleans. We made the Big Easy look like the big hard.
Do with that what you will.
The
[01:34:46] Speaker C: Brown.
[01:34:50] Kenny Thunder: That was ad lib, by the way.
The Brown. One of the better jokes he ever made. The Browns are 5 and 4, and they'll face a 3 and 5 Houston team coming off an impressive 4,422 victory over the charges head coach D' Amico Ryan seems to have lost some of his luster after an oh and four start with a team that some head as a Super bowl hopeful offensive coordinator Nick Kaley was born in, you guessed it, the fertile crescent of football right here in Canton, Ohio. Big things ahead for that guy, I'm sure. Although I think he already has two super bowl rings with the Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Burke. Not sure if he's a good football coach, but he did climb Kilimanjaro, went on safari in Botswana and has done charity work in Uganda. So well traveled.
CJ Stroud coming off arguably his best performance of the season against the charges. He completed 21 of 35 passes for 384 yards and five five time five time five time five touchdowns this week. Season Numbers Season numbers are pretty
[01:35:57] Ronnie Jams: spinneroony. Yeah, Remember when Vince McMahon did
[01:36:01] Kenny Thunder: a spinner? Rooney?
His season numbers are pretty impressive. 2200 passing yards, 16 touchdowns to just two picks. They're pretty good. Woody Marks and David Montgomery are an intriguing combination in this back in this backfield. Woody Marks, 341 rush yards on the season. David Mc Montgomery Montgomery. You're having a
[01:36:19] Ronnie Jams: really hard time saying his name. I let it go the first time, but
[01:36:22] Kenny Thunder: now you're an idiot. David Montgomery 138 yards and two touchdowns on a season.
Excuse me. Had to swallow some snot. Montgomery.
That was a new one for the show.
Montgomery is currently listed with an injury designation on Houston's depth chart, so availability will be worth monitoring. This is a pretty impressive collection of receiving Receiving talent Nico Collins, Houston's leading receiver with 384 yards and four touchdowns. Dalton Schultz 364 yards, dependable over the middle. Jalen Noel, 331 yards, averaging a cool 17.4 yards per reception. K Sean Booty, 319 yards and two touchdowns on here. Take Dell had a 63 yard touchdown against the Chargers this week. And Marvin Harrison Jr. We all know the story there. I think the scary thing about this offense is I mentioned Marvin Harrison Jr. Last yeah. Houston's offensive line has some recognizable names but has struggled to establish consistent protection this year. Currently ranked 26th across the league. Also, a Cleveland reunion is in store as former Browns guard Wyatt Teller is now a reserve.
Will Anderson Jr. Nine and a half sacks. That's that's it. 9.
His explosiveness, strength and ability to disrupt the quarterback make him a nightmare matchup. Daniel Hunter has four four sacks of his own. Not many teams have two elite pass rushers. Anderson and Hunter can truly wreck a game plan without, you know, the the defense needing to send extra blitzers. Aziz, Al Shahir and Henry Toa. Toa are physical linebackers that can attack the run and cover underneath.
Texans have an excellent secondary led by Cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. Kamari Lassiter and Kalin Bullock at safety.
On special teams, Houston might have inadvertently Stumbled into the cat. A category that I can only describe as having two guys who kick the ball. That's name. Each start with Kai in kicker Kimi Fairbairn and Kai Kroger. Kami Fairbairn. By the way, that's not his name. His name has 56 letters in it, in case you were wondering. And I'm not even going to pretend that I can pronounce it. Was it that do for you?
Why? All right, bottom
[01:38:37] Ronnie Jams: line. No, I'm saying it probably has a Y in it. Oh, no, that's
[01:38:40] Kenny Thunder: like the only letter that's not in
[01:38:41] Ronnie Jams: it. Okay, I got. Yeah, 56. He's got like double the letter. He's got more than double the Alphabet, but he doesn't have a Y. All right,
[01:38:48] Kenny Thunder: I'll try and pronounce it for you. Here we go.
[01:38:57] Ronnie Jams: Nope, didn't hear why.
[01:38:59] Kenny Thunder: No, no. Why? Bottom line. Despite the 3 and 5 record, this is a pretty significant test for Cleveland. Houston comes into this game with momentum after putting up 44 points last week. Stroud playing well, Receiving core is deep. And the defensive front has the ability to make life miserable for opposing quarterbacks, especially against this offensive line where giving up just 5, 6 a week ago was actually an improvement. That's all I got.
[01:39:20] Ronnie Jams: Go Browns.
And with every edition of Kenny's Cliff Notes comes another edition of Ronnie Jams matchups.
All right, so I bet you can't guess how many matchups
[01:39:38] Kenny Thunder: I got for you. Is it six?
[01:39:39] Ronnie Jams: Yeah. Nice. That's a lot of them.
[01:39:42] Kenny Thunder: I'm excited. There's actually only two. Oh,
[01:39:44] Ronnie Jams: damn. Number one. The Brown secondary versus C.J. stroud. This is by far the best part of the Houston Texans team is their passing attack.
They're. We'll get
[01:39:54] Kenny Thunder: to passing attack or attacking the. The
[01:39:55] Speaker C: passing.
[01:39:58] Ronnie Jams: They're passing attack like they're passing offense.
The Browns are very good against the past this season on defense.
So it's. It'll be interesting to see if the secondary is going to be able to slow them down and take advantage of any opportunities that the front seven might. Might be able to help create. So it seems like the last few weeks too that we've really failed when it really matters. We give up the big plays and then we're like ah, ah.
We play good most of the game and then we give a big play. So we gotta. We gotta limit
[01:40:29] Kenny Thunder: that finally how to fix it. We
[01:40:32] Ronnie Jams: are.
And then next up I got Spencer Fano and Titus Howard. Verse. Will Anderson Jr.
You mentioned nine and a half sacks.
I have down here. He is a premier pass rusher in the NFL. Like the premier pass rusher in the NFL Spencer, Spencer Fano and the rest of the Browns offense line, including Titus Howard or. I wasn't sure if he was going to be playing this. He wasn't in concussion protocol. Probably better off if he did. There's. Yeah, but they've all struggled this year. Giving up the most sacks in the NFL this season at 38.
That's a season
[01:41:06] Kenny Thunder: number for some. I don't know if
[01:41:08] Ronnie Jams: anybody's wondering that comes out to 4.22 per game. So
[01:41:15] Speaker E: that's
[01:41:15] Ronnie Jams: so many. And you're going up a guy against a guy that has. Is averaging more than one sack a game by himself. Quarterbacks who get sacked a.
[01:41:23] Kenny Thunder: Get sacked 40 times in a season
[01:41:27] Ronnie Jams: 38.
So yeah, if they want any chance in this one they can't give up another 5, 6 sacks. Like it just can't happen. And I don't know if they're going to be able to stop it because Will Anderson has nine and a half by himself. Coach,
[01:41:45] Kenny Thunder: how do you. How do you protect the quarterback? I don't know but we're
[01:41:47] Ronnie Jams: going to fight like hell to do it. Yeah.
Anyways, in summary here, The Texans are 3 and 5 coming off a 22 point victory over the Chargers so far this season. On defense they're 18 overall.
I'm not gonna go through the yards per game. I don't really care. They're 18 overall. Past defense is number 27 overall and they run defense at number 13.
On offense they're number 11 in the NFL.
Their running game ranks 29 and their past game ranks number three in the NFL. Good for CJ Stroud bouncing back
[01:42:19] Kenny Thunder: there and. Cause he was catching a lot of flat. A lot of strays
[01:42:22] Ronnie Jams: for a while. Yeah. And they've played really well. I think even in this stretch where they. They've kind of. They're. They're starting to drive towards.500 again.
They've lost a couple close games in that str. Like these last few games. They started out the season really bad and then they've lost a couple close ones but won most of their
[01:42:37] Kenny Thunder: games. They also had kind of a tough schedule. I think they started with like Cincinnati and Cincinnati playing really well
[01:42:44] Ronnie Jams: this year. So.
And then the Browns current record is 5 and 4 coming off another loss, this time to the New Orleans Saints.
So far this season on. On defense they ranked number 16 overall, number 6 against the pass, number 27 against the run. And on offense they're number 24 in the NFL, they have the number 25 rushing attack and the number 20th, 20 ranked passing attack. Blows my mind every
[01:43:09] Kenny Thunder: week that the Browns do not have the worst rushing offense in the league, that there are teams doing it worse.
[01:43:15] Ronnie Jams: They've actually gotten better over the last few weeks because for a while they're sitting right around 90 yards per game. Now they're at 97.3. I mean, hell, that one big game by the. A couple. Couple weeks ago really helped when they went for like 170 or whatever. Houston's ranked 29th. Yeah. So in every game there's that one thing that if executed properly, unlocks the path to victory. So let's bring in the big bone man, because we like to call that thing Bone man. Skeleton key to victory.
[01:43:47] Kenny Thunder: This is everyone's second favorite segment. Basically
[01:43:50] Ronnie Jams: every time me and you drop out of the show and it's just bone, that's what people like. Bone is like
[01:43:55] Kenny Thunder: the burning river sportscast equivalent of mullet
[01:43:58] Ronnie Jams: reviews. Yeah, again.
Yeah, again. Breaking the fourth wall here. We keep trying to give him more and he keeps refusing.
Every time we come up with a new segment for him, he's like, I
[01:44:08] The Bone Man: don't want that, guys. Guess what, though. I think I got a skeleton. I've never actually said before. Did you say
[01:44:14] Ronnie Jams: skeleton key or did you just come
[01:44:15] The Bone Man: up with another word there? Say skeleton.
[01:44:17] Ronnie Jams: Sell it out. Yeah, it was all like one skeleton key. Skeleton. Skeleton knee.
[01:44:21] Kenny Thunder: Skeleton knee. What do you got? Bone.
[01:44:23] The Bone Man: All right, so we're going to get
[01:44:27] Kenny Thunder: sacked a lot.
So that's the skeleton
[01:44:30] The Bone Man: key. No, this. It will happen.
Our quarterback, whoever it is, needs to get rid of the ball quickly. They need a game plan to get the ball out. I'm thinking like Aaron Rodgers against the Browns last year when Miles Garrett was going for the sack record.
Like, you got to do everything you can to get rid of that ball fast.
And I don't know if we can do that, but I think we have to or else we're going to have eight sacks against us on this in this game. So what. The other way
[01:44:56] Ronnie Jams: around it. What should be the average time to throw? Just. Just as a reference here, the Browns currently rank 18th out of 32 NFL teams with 2.82 seconds.
Time to
[01:45:08] The Bone Man: throw. I don't know. What do you. I bet you if you drop that by a point, tenth of a second, you're going to drop a few seconds spots, right?
I don't know. Let's go to like 2.4.
Is that
[01:45:18] Ronnie Jams: possible? That seems like a lot. Is
[01:45:20] The Bone Man: that a Lot. Is that too much? I don't, I don't have the numbers in front of me. But they need to get rid of the ball quickly.
[01:45:26] Kenny Thunder: Maybe they just shouldn't throw the ball
[01:45:27] The Bone Man: more. That ain't going to work. More
[01:45:29] Ronnie Jams: reference.
The quickest releases in the NFL are less than 2 1/2 seconds. 2 1/2 to 2.8 is kind of the. The sweet spot for good. Gotcha. All right,
[01:45:40] The Bone Man: well, they need to be faster. They
[01:45:41] Ronnie Jams: need to be 2.5 to
[01:45:43] Kenny Thunder: 2.8. They need to be best in class. We're already like the
[01:45:45] The Bone Man: most sacked team, as you guys said,
[01:45:46] Ronnie Jams: so. Yeah, it's not good. It's really
[01:45:48] The Bone Man: bad. Our line is not very good.
[01:45:49] Ronnie Jams: No, we got anything going for us.
[01:45:52] The Bone Man: If we, if we like tag team one side, then you got, you know, the other great pass rusher coming at
[01:45:57] Kenny Thunder: us on either, you know, Spencer Fano struggled this week. Big time rookie.
True. He is a rookie. He'll get better.
[01:46:05] Ronnie Jams: We gotta be more like Bobby. We gotta take this in stride. He's gonna
[01:46:07] Kenny Thunder: fight like hell to fix it, I can tell you.
[01:46:12] Ronnie Jams: Kenny, what's the betting
[01:46:13] Kenny Thunder: info this week?
The line is Houston.
[01:46:19] Ronnie Jams: They're going with Houston four and a half. The Browns are above.500 at home. They. And they're giving Houston four and a half. Four and a
[01:46:25] Kenny Thunder: half. The disrespect man over, under. I don't know. They've been favored in any
[01:46:29] Ronnie Jams: game this year. They were once. I
[01:46:31] Kenny Thunder: don't remember when.
Minus four and a half over under 39 and a
[01:46:36] Ronnie Jams: half. Oh, geez. That's so disrespectful. And we're above.500 and they're three and.
And we're at home.
Do I disagree? No, but so disrespectful. Vegas made
[01:46:49] Kenny Thunder: a lot of money on the Browns
[01:46:50] Ronnie Jams: this year. Players to watch this week.
Bone, we'll start with you. Oh, boy.
[01:46:57] The Bone Man: Generic player number one.
Let's do Harold Fannin. Harold Fannin. Frannon. I can't get his name right.
He's just fun to watch. And I just hope they can get him the ball with a little. I mean, he doesn't even need space. He just makes something happen every time. But just get him the ball. The first three quarters of the game, they didn't get him the ball. Get him the fricking ball early and let him
[01:47:17] Kenny Thunder: make plays. Some passion from Bone. Did
[01:47:19] Ronnie Jams: you hear it? He was so excited. I love it.
I like that. Bone's player to watch is literally the player he wants to watch. He's just like he's like, do I think this is going to have a big impact? Not sure. But that's the guy I like to watch. So he's my player to
[01:47:31] Kenny Thunder: watch this week. If you watched Harold Finn and last week all you saw him do was chip block on every play because they couldn't keep anybody out
[01:47:37] Ronnie Jams: of the backfield. Yeah, Kenny, player to
[01:47:40] Kenny Thunder: watch.
I'm gonna go defense this week.
I'm gonna go one. Jared Verse, it's time to do something. You, you're not doing enough. This defense is good. What's
[01:47:53] Ronnie Jams: the joke we made on Sunday? You
[01:47:54] Kenny Thunder: gotta do more. You can't do nothing. You gotta do a little more. Okay,
[01:47:56] Ronnie Jams: well now you're just. Now you're doing
[01:47:58] Kenny Thunder: nothing.
This defense is good. Something. This defense is good, but it's missing a key ingredient and it's that X factor for like the moments that matter. Like, you know, two minute, four minute offense, third down, fourth downs, those high leverage moments. He wasn't brought in to be the next Miles Garrett. Like, I don't expect him to have three sacks every week, but you have to be able to make a meaningful play every day.
[01:48:21] Ronnie Jams: You have to make your presence felt like at some point. The other thing that we got coming into this season that we, we've kind of lost in this whole thing thing is that he didn't always get home, but his pressure rate was through the roof. He's getting no pressure this year. It doesn't have
[01:48:35] Kenny Thunder: to be a sack, but literally what it's funny you said that because that was what I wrote in my note was he has, has to make his presence known. His presence needs to be felt. Like he has to at least once a game exert whatever he has, whatever he's bringing to this defense, like, has to be in a play that matters.
He needs to be that guy. And truly, like, I think if, if he does, it's the difference between winning and losing games, right? If he tack, if he sacks, shuck on that play and he doesn't run and put them in the field goal range. Different ball
[01:49:03] Ronnie Jams: game. Yeah, agreed, Agreed. I would love for him to show up finally. I mean, we've all been waiting for it, so.
And my player to watch this week, I actually have two.
The first,
[01:49:15] Kenny Thunder: that's not a rule. When do you
[01:49:16] Ronnie Jams: get the big. Well, I've got a bonus one and you'll see why in a minute. The first bonus fact, the first one is Spencer Fano. For everything that we just talked about, he had a really rough game this past week.
Want to See how he bounces back. And. And I mean, if, as far as, like, making a statement, like, you made the right choice with me as your offensive tackle moving forward to bounce back against Will Anderson would. Would make that statement, like, hey, I know I had a bad game, but I'm also really good. I just am a rookie, so I'm a little inconsistent. But here's a game where you can shore it up and say, this is what I can be.
So Spencer Fano has a chance to bounce back here, but my bonus, one that I want to put out here is not an actual Browns player. It's the Browns fans. Oh, that
[01:49:58] Kenny Thunder: was me, Wild Wyatt Taylor and. And
[01:50:01] Ronnie Jams: the reason why they're my bonus player to watch this week is because I want to see how Browns fans are going to react with the whole Watson Sanders mess that's playing out right now at quarterback because we had it kind of cleaned up and then we said, let's. Let's bring this back because we don't have enough distractions this season, so let's do this whole thing again. So, you know, there was the whole booing, not booing, all that stuff. Like, I want to see how many people boo to Sean Watson if he gets the start.
I want to see how crazy that crowd goes if Shador gets the start. Because I told you guys, I was at the game earlier this year when Shador came in for one play, it was the loudest I've heard the Brown Stadium in a long, long time. So I'm just interested to see how they all react.
It is so dumb
[01:50:47] Kenny Thunder: when you think about the big picture and you think about where this team has been all year, which is winning is the only thing that matters. That Todd Mungen didn't just say, DeSean's the starter, he's going to play next week. Like, if that's truly your tact and that's the route that you're going. You're saying, we're five and four. We're potentially a playoff team. Why didn't you just name desean the starter and call it a day? Don't know. That would have been the easiest thing to do. That's path of least resistance.
And. And now it's like, if they make desean the starter and you have a quick leash because you're like, ah, well, I still. I believe in Shador. Now.
That looks bad, too. Like, that's dumb. Either he's
[01:51:25] Ronnie Jams: a starter or he's not. So, yeah. Interested to see how Browns fans react
[01:51:28] Kenny Thunder: to everything.
Can I just also Talk about. You mentioned Spencer Fano is a player to watch. Like, can we just go back to the years that Joe Thomas was here and what a luxury that was. Like, it was just. It was never even a question whether or not that was going to be a problem and it didn't matter who was on the other side. And I think it's one of those funny things that like, you talk about linemen being kind
[01:51:55] Ronnie Jams: of like it would. That would never have been my matchup. That matters because Joe Thomas wins every week. It wasn't
[01:52:00] Kenny Thunder: going to be a problem, but like just the fact that, um, like the offensive line is not really a sexy position. And when you draft an offensive lineman, people kind of groan like, I understand the need, but you know, you'd rather have a quarterback or a wide receiver, running back, something fun. But on
[01:52:16] Ronnie Jams: the flip side of it is if you miss on an offensive lineman, you're
[01:52:19] Kenny Thunder: like, well, true, but just the fact that like, man, what a luxury that was to have that guy for so long that it just was never even an issue. Never even something you had to consider because you just knew he was going to play every week and he was going to be at excellence makes me sad. Yeah, he's.
I can't
[01:52:41] Ronnie Jams: believe that we wasted his entire career. Right?
Completely wasted. But anyways, thanks for bringing us down again.
That'll do it. That'll do it. For the preview, let's go ahead and get into King of the North.
All right. In case anyone doesn't know by now, this is our year long AFC north pick' em competition. At the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished. At the end of the season, whoever comes in last place gets punished. I read the same line. In the preseason three years ago, Kenny had a gross of eggs thrown at him by fans of the Munilab for a game in the preseason two years ago. Kenny had his hair and beard shaved clean off in the preseason last year. Not in the preseason, just in the regular season. Last season, Kenny donned the pads for the first time in almost 20 years and got hit three times by our guy, Big John Hughes.
Still to come this season for losing last year, Kenny will be getting a Brazilian wax.
Can't wait.
The loser of this season, their punishment is still to be decided. It's probably gonna be me. Go easy on me, boys.
Never. Now let's go ahead and get into it. First things first, I remind everyone that for now I'm still the reigning defending King of of the
[01:53:54] Kenny Thunder: north. And simultaneously in last place. Shut
[01:53:56] Ronnie Jams: your wow Also. Whoa, Kenny. I'm gonna
[01:54:01] Kenny Thunder: have to believe that one.
You're a
[01:54:04] Ronnie Jams: clown.
Let's remind everyone of our current records. After week 10. I mean, week nine, Bone and Kenny are tied at 19 and 10, and I am way behind at 14 and 15. A lot of ground to make up here. Probably won't happen this week.
Just pick opposite
[01:54:21] Kenny Thunder: every week. Fastest way to make up
[01:54:23] Ronnie Jams: ground. It's also the fastest, so really poorly. Let's get into this week's game. Games.
We're gonna start with the Ravens hosting the Chargers.
And, Kenny, I'm gonna start with you.
[01:54:40] Kenny Thunder: Chargers coming out of a disaster. 44 to 22 to lost to Houston.
That defense is really bad.
Baltimore's at home. I think this is Monday Night Football, which means an extra day for Jacoby Brissette to prepare and just, you know, Derek Henry, assuming he doesn't get traded at home.
I'll. I'll go Ravens in this one. I think the LA is just really bad this year.
I don't know. Did you catch the. The Harbaugh press conference where they asked him directly if Mike McDaniel if his job was in jeopardy? And it was, like, about the longest pause you've ever heard before. He was like, no, no, no, of course not. But, like, he. He took his time.
[01:55:26] Ronnie Jams: Think about it. Even if his job's not in jeopardy, I'm going to make him think it is, like he said.
[01:55:30] Kenny Thunder: So he get. He, like, paused, and he was like, you know, we like our players and our coaches. And they were like, well, you didn't answer the question.
And then he was like, no,
[01:55:37] Ronnie Jams: no, no. So you're going Ravens. Just. I'll go Ravens. To be clear, I'm going to go Ravens as well. As much as I actually do want to pick the Chargers in this one, they're going west coast to east coast.
A lot of problems there.
They're 0 and
[01:55:55] Kenny Thunder: 8. A lot of problems there. A
[01:55:57] Ronnie Jams: lot of problems there. Didn't you guys
[01:55:58] The Bone Man: say Justin Herbert might just. Justin Herbert's
[01:56:01] Ronnie Jams: banged up. He's got a hurt finger.
My dog Jolly bit Meg.
And the Ravens do have Jacoby Brissette coming to town, and he's a much better option than an undrafted free agent from UConn. So I think it's just enough. I actually do think this is gonna be a close game, but I think it's just enough to get past the Chargers and make them oh and nine or. Oh and ten or whatever they. They
[01:56:25] Kenny Thunder: end up at. I agree. Physical, low
[01:56:26] Ronnie Jams: scoring game. Yeah. So I got the Ravens in this one. Bone, who you
[01:56:30] The Bone Man: got? Yep, I'm staying on the O train. Let's go. The Ravens. Bones on
[01:56:34] Ronnie Jams: the O train.
All right, well, next to me, I'm as long as. As
[01:56:42] The Bone Man: you are.
You said they were oh and nine.
[01:56:47] Ronnie Jams: He didn't even clarify that could have meant anything. So. Confused. Yeah, I was trying to make the connection. I see the connection now.
Next up, Cincinnati hosts the Steelers.
I have picked against Cincinnati all season long, and I've been wrong, like, every time I'm going with Cincinnati at home against the Steelers. And this one, I actually am still a little confused by the Steelers. I don't. When I watch them, I know they keep winning games, but when I watch them, they just don't seem that good.
So I don't know why I wrote Steelers. I'm going with the Bengals here. Subconscious. Yeah, I think I was talking and writing at the same time, and then bad things happened. But I'm going Bengals. Bone, who you got?
I'm
[01:57:33] The Bone Man: going to go Steelers.
Let's get some.
Some separation here. More separation. You shut
[01:57:41] Ronnie Jams: the hell. After they win. You going Steelers too. You
[01:57:46] The Bone Man: for some reason, they just win.
Aaron Rodgers having a good
[01:57:49] Kenny Thunder: year. They do. They do.
They're coming off a buy.
I went back and forth on this one.
It's in Cincinnati. Cincinnati just has too many weapons, I think. I mean, the thing I think that's. That's swinging me here is the fact that Cleveland beat Pittsburgh once this year, and I don't think we're very good. So I'll go Cincinnati.
All right.
[01:58:11] Ronnie Jams: Kenny's going Bengals. And then the final game this week, the Browns host the Texans. The reason why we're here. So I'm going to rip the band aid off right away. I'm going Texans in this one.
I actually don't know that this is going to be particularly close. Close.
There's just too much going against us. And like, our weaknesses are their strengths is what it seems like almost across the board.
So specifically. And the. The. The biggest one is the one we. We harped on the most in the preview is their defensive line against our offensive line. Like, that's just going to. That in itself is going to cause a long, long game for the Browns.
I have the Texans and I'm to going go 31 to 13.
Bone, who you got?
Yeah, I'm also
[01:59:02] The Bone Man: going Texans. It's like even teams who have. Are bottom of the league in rushing have the top rushing in the league against us. It just happened last
[01:59:12] Ronnie Jams: week. Yeah, they averaged 87 yards
[01:59:15] Speaker C: per game.
[01:59:17] The Bone Man: I expect that to happen again.
I think our passing game will do okay, but C.J. stroud's been throwing the ball pretty well.
Yeah, I think we're going to lose and as you said, I think it's going to be. Yeah, probably a higher.
It's going to be a bigger loss than than what we what we're used to this year.
Let's go.
Let's go.
[01:59:39] Kenny Thunder: 35:24 CJ Stroud quarterback rating of 105 this year on the season.
[01:59:49] Ronnie Jams: That's pretty good. Kenny, who you got?
[01:59:53] Kenny Thunder: Look, I I know the Browns are going to fight like hell but the but the problems are compounding now, right?
[02:00:02] Ronnie Jams: Like I think we've said it too many times now. You might have to make me pull the trigger. That might be the episode title this week because we're going to fight like hell.
We
[02:00:10] Kenny Thunder: the problems are compounding now. Early in the season we talked and lauded this team for the improvement we could over week. The receivers kind of coming alive. The offensive line looked better at points. The running game looked better at points.
The the offensive line is looking bad for consecutive weeks. The running game bad for successive weeks.
The young receivers are hanging in there but uncertainty at quarterback and Houston I think just tale of two teams right. Like one team is is on the downswing and Houston seems to be trying to fight their way back to 500.
They have a lot of firepower and offense.
I think this team gets exposed again and I don't think they can keep pace is I think the problem. I think I'll go Houston 32, Cleveland 23
[02:01:02] Ronnie Jams: Dang. Feels bad but that'll do it. So let me remind everybody to call the burning for sportscast hot take hotline Delford Golly hot takes on the hot dog. Remember these are hot takes. We
[02:01:12] Kenny Thunder: want hot takes. If you don't call
[02:01:15] Ronnie Jams: you I'll punch you right in the
[02:01:16] Kenny Thunder: Jimmy. Oh yeah.
Forgot about The Jimmies.
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[02:01:43] Kenny Thunder: be live on Sunday Sunday Sunday night Look for us live on YouTube, Facebook X and maybe buzzer we're gonna try for buzzer this we're driver buzzer as we recap the week 10. We're working
[02:01:56] Ronnie Jams: through some technical difficulties, but we're gonna make it happen. We're gonna fight like
[02:02:00] Kenny Thunder: hell to get it done for the week 10 matchup against the Texans. Should be on right around 9:30. We've been pret this year. I think we had one week where we had technical difficulties. We started at like 9:45, but we've been pretty close to 9:30, 9:35 every week. So look for us live. And then next Thursday we're back. We had the
[02:02:19] Ronnie Jams: one we had to cancel because you couldn't.
Family emergency. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, family
[02:02:24] Kenny Thunder: emergency. And then I think we canceled another one because I was stuck in Cleveland at the ball game.
Anyway, next Thursday we're back with our bye week episode. Maybe some special guests. Tbd.
[02:02:35] Ronnie Jams: We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Just listen.
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What do you got for us, Kenny?
[02:03:26] Kenny Thunder: I got the facts. Just. Just facts, man.
And since we are playing our friend from the biggest contiguous state in the Union, Tejas, I have Texas facts.
And everybody knows Texas loves to fight.
[02:03:49] Ronnie Jams: They're gonna fight like hell.
[02:03:53] Kenny Thunder: Well timed. Well timed. They love to wrestle a little bit. So number one, Texas once had a diplomatic crisis with France. Oh,
[02:04:05] Ronnie Jams: okay, yeah, that makes sense. Louisiana Purchase over pigs. Oh, pigs. No,
[02:04:13] Kenny Thunder: different pigs.
Real pigs. Yeah. In 1841, a French diplomat in Austin, Alphonse Dubois de Seligny, complained that a local innkeeper's pigs were invading his property, eating his horse corn, garden vegetables, and even chewing up his personal effects. The diplomat ordered his servant or his butler to go shoot them.
The innkeeper. Was this an actor of war? The innkeeper, Richard Bullock, responded by beating up said butler and threatening the diplomat with rocks and an axe.
Dubois demanded that the Texas government severely. I can't talk severely. Punish Bullock. Invoking diplomatic immunity for himself and and his servant. When Texas Secretary of State James Mayfield refused to punish Bullock without due process of law, dubois broke off diplomatic relations and left the country.
Texas nearly torpedoed its relationship with France because of some unruly hogs. Historians still refer to this as the Pig War. The
[02:05:18] Ronnie Jams: Pig War, wow.
Aptly named.
The French
[02:05:23] Kenny Thunder: are all of them.
Every single one of those French people from Dumb and Dumber. I know.
Number two, keeping with our theme of war and animals, Texas once had a military conflict named after
[02:05:38] Ronnie Jams: chickens. Of course they did. And in
[02:05:41] Kenny Thunder: 1719, the great chicken War occurred.
[02:05:44] Ronnie Jams: Wait, let me get this straight. They had the Pig war? The Chicken War.
[02:05:48] Kenny Thunder: Colloquially. Colloquially. Colloquially. Colloquially known as the Chicken War. It was actually during a European war.
The war of the quadruple alliance between France and Spain. I remember that one. Of course, everyone's favorite war. Seven French soldiers raided a Spanish mission in East Texas. They stole religious clothing, supplies and chickens from the mission's henhouse. I don't know why chickens were in the hen house. Why they weren't in the chicken house.
[02:06:18] Ronnie Jams: Never mind.
I'll just leave that there. I'll let you never
[02:06:22] Kenny Thunder: mind. It's a joke.
I sure was. You're just an idiot. As the French lieutenant mounted his horse with the stolen chickens tied to his saddle. There's dudes mounting horses.
Mounting his saddle. Oh, it wasn't like mounting the. Never mind.
As the.
As the French lieutenant mounted his horse with the stolen chickens tied to his saddle, the birds started flapping uncontrollably. The horse panicked and the lieutenant was thrown to the ground. In the confusion.
In the confusion, the religious brother escaped and spread wildly exaggerated rumors of a massive French invasion. Fearing an all out horror, Spanish friars, soldiers and settlers panicked and abandoned all of East Texas. Retreating all the way to San Antonio. An international military conflict was essentially escalated by a chicken induced horseback dismount.
Wow.
Incredible.
[02:07:25] Ronnie Jams: You know, there's some things where, like the invention of like phones and stuff like really helps because when you can instantaneously get. Get information, other places you could refute this right away. I would
[02:07:39] The Bone Man: beg to differ though.
We have stuff on video and it just goes out as fact. It's completely the false narrative.
It becomes a part of history as
[02:07:48] Ronnie Jams: fact. That's right. I guess I'm just saying I'm going with the simpler times in human history. Like the majority of the time the phone's been around where we just relate information instead of only videoed what we wanted everybody to see.
[02:08:01] Kenny Thunder: Speaking of communication and information. Trapped, traveling quickly. This would have. A phone would have really come in handy here.
Number
[02:08:07] Ronnie Jams: three. Okay, thank you. Texas way. I
[02:08:11] Kenny Thunder: guess Texas once had a war over government paperwork. Of course. The archive. Everybody
[02:08:18] Ronnie Jams: should have a war over this. The
[02:08:20] Kenny Thunder: archive war of 1842.
Austin
[02:08:24] Ronnie Jams: became. Did they seriously have the Pig war, the Chicken war and the Archive
[02:08:27] Kenny Thunder: war? Yes, they did. Texas loves to
[02:08:30] Ronnie Jams: fight.
They're going to fight like hell. We still what he said.
[02:08:36] Kenny Thunder: Austin became the capital of the Republic of Texas in 1839. By 1842, following Mexican military invasions of San Antonio and mounting threats from native tribes, President Sam Houston.
Sam Houston. Bonus fact. He's the only individual in US history to have served as governor of two different states, Tennessee and Texas. But he had considered Austin dangerously exposed and wanted to move the Republic of Texas government records out of Austin to relocate the Capitol.
Austin residents weren't having it.
They feared losing their status as the capital city and it destroying their economy.
In December of 1842, government officials attempted to sneak into Austin, remove the archives and a woman named Angelina Eberle. This is where that phone would have came in handy. Spotted what was happening and fired a cannon.
Holy hell. To alert the townspeople. Talk about escalating quickly.
Good Lord. She fired a six pound cannonball straight through town.
Armed. Austin.
Armed Austin vigilantes chased the wagons and overtook them the next morning at Kenny's Fort in Brushy Creek. Terrible name for a fort. Facing armed resistance and negotiations at gunpoint, Houston's men relented and the archives were peacefully returned to Austin. And they stayed there, where it eventually became the permanent capital of the state.
Wow.
Good. A phone really would have came in handy. And then those Austinites fought like hell to save it.
Just fired a
[02:10:11] Ronnie Jams: cannon through town. Everybody look. They're coming
[02:10:16] Kenny Thunder: now they're going chase goodness.
And that, my friends. Spacks for days. Texas wild
[02:10:24] Ronnie Jams: wrestling.
It fought like hell. Fought like hell, man. That
[02:10:32] Speaker C: and.
[02:10:35] Ronnie Jams: Yep, y'. All. And any thoughts on this? I'm gonna
[02:10:38] The Bone Man: fight like hell to go to sleep.
Too much caffeine. Yeah, Too much caffeine. Yeah. I shouldn't have drink that.
I'm wide awake. I'm wide awake But I will say I'm tired. Bon appetit.
Being
[02:10:53] Kenny Thunder: awake sounds like a part of the problem.
Don't just be a part of the problem. Be the whole damn problem.
[02:10:58] Ronnie Jams: And only you can prevent river fires
[02:11:05] Kenny Thunder: Burning rivers Burning river Sports gas. Don't worry.
Be happy, Be happy now Be happy now.
I can't whistle.
[02:11:22] Speaker C: Don't worry.
[02:11:23] Kenny Thunder: Be happy now Be happy now. Good night. Good night, Cleveland.
[02:11:32] The Bone Man: Oh, good night,
[02:11:33] Ronnie Jams: Acker.
Can't forget him. Quiet on set. I now have two loves in my life.
Big city living and a voodoo woman named Phyllis. I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt ass.
[02:11:50] Speaker C: I
[02:11:50] Kenny Thunder: can't even say I didn't think we'd be getting into Brad Pitt's ass. Yeah,
[02:11:55] Ronnie Jams: didn't think we'd get in there. We
[02:11:57] Kenny Thunder: talk a lot of analingus on this
[02:11:58] Ronnie Jams: show. So put your right foot in and take your right foot out. Then put your right foot in and shut the hell up. Because it's not time for the hokey pokey. It's time for the. The burning river sports cat. Motorboat. You play the motorboat?
You motorboat. Son of a. You old seal. Are you.
[02:12:16] Kenny Thunder: You know what I was thinking during
[02:12:17] Ronnie Jams: that interview? What? What were you? Nothing. Cuz you don't have thoughts? Cuz you're a brainless idiot.
Wow. My name is Utred. Son of Utred, by the way. I want my foreskin back. It doesn't
[02:12:27] Kenny Thunder: matter what you think.
Women's guide to to anal sex and it was the second attempt edition. Who makes that second
[02:12:35] The Bone Man: edition? The weather outside is weather. The
[02:12:38] Ronnie Jams: other one. The finger. The finger. Eating food. Fingers. Oh my God. My ass
[02:12:42] Kenny Thunder: is full of she.
Everywhere. Yes. Ejaculate all over my body and my genitals.
[02:12:49] Ronnie Jams: Yes. Oh no.
We suck again. You
[02:12:52] The Bone Man: don't need fundamentals when you got heart.
[02:12:55] Ronnie Jams: And Jesus. And Jesus. That's right. Touchdown.
What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny? It's going down. I'm yelling. Timber.
God damn. Should we start a meat podcast? Like, like, like, like the meat pod.
Slow roasted.
[02:13:15] The Bone Man: The
[02:13:15] Speaker E: leads are weak. The leads are weak.
[02:13:19] Kenny Thunder: Leads are weak. You're weak. What?
No
[02:13:22] Ronnie Jams: browns, baby. All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Erroneous. Erroneous on both counts. I mean when I last year when I won and went home, you know, my wife's pants hit the ground. Wow. But damn. I'm sorry
[02:13:36] Kenny Thunder: I hijacked your segment for a second to do some good podcasting.
[02:13:41] Speaker C: You know
[02:13:41] Kenny Thunder: why mister? Because you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight. I drove an
[02:13:45] Ronnie Jams: $80,000 BMW. That's my name.
I live my life a quarter mile
[02:13:53] The Bone Man: at a time. You guys immediately insulted.
[02:13:57] Speaker E: I desperately want to make love for
[02:13:58] Kenny Thunder: this Cheese girl. We need cheese girl
[02:14:00] Ronnie Jams: now. Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson.
[02:14:04] Kenny Thunder: Who's canceled now?
Who's canceled now? Probably me. You making it for the fat
[02:14:09] Speaker C: people?
[02:14:11] Ronnie Jams: I'm not just you. We're a
[02:14:13] Kenny Thunder: whole race basically.
No way. You're just
[02:14:17] Ronnie Jams: straight. Just finger bang their salad.
[02:14:21] Kenny Thunder: You
[02:14:22] The Bone Man: first get shocked and then you get the shocker.
[02:14:27] Kenny Thunder: You like to see almost
[02:14:28] Ronnie Jams: naked. That's cool, man. Whatever.
Are you
[02:14:35] Kenny Thunder: not entertained?
Are you not entertained?
[02:14:40] The Bone Man: This
[02:14:40] Speaker C: is not why you you here.
