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[00:00:59] Speaker A: It's time. Time for the live burning river sportscast. Giants 21, browns 15. We'll break it all down for you next. Welcome into a very special gameday live edition of the burning river sports cast presented by the fine folks at Tappin Media. I'm Kenny Thunder. If beer were glue, he'd be anonymous. He's red hot Ronnie jams and when gangsters cry, he wipes their tears. He's the big bone mandae. Good morning, or good afternoon, gentlemen.
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But with that, let's go ahead and get into the week two recap or week three recap. I already forgot about it.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: I wish it was week two.
[00:04:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
So, guys, here's the deal. We came into this thing, high hopes. We were ready to go, or we were. I don't know about the browns. Apparently, the browns weren't ready to go, but we were ready to go. We thought this was one of those games that you should definitely win. You got Daniel Jones, who's been God awful. You've got the rest of the Giants, who have been God awful. And instead, what we got was the Browns looked like the Giants.
We got bad QB play, bad old line play, bad running back play, bad penalties, bad coaching. Just bad. Just bad, bad, bad.
I mean, pretty much said it all.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Yeah. It's done as awful.
[00:05:23] Speaker C: We can have maybe two plays, you know, that first turnover and then the nice throw to Mario Cooper in the end zone.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: That's about it.
Yeah. And I mean, so we. I mean, we can go through this thing. I don't know if you guys want to break down, you know, the. The box score and go through everything. Or if we just want to generally talk about how shitty this game was. I mean, it's up to you guys.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know the box scores necessary.
We all. We all watched it unfold to Bowen's point. We had, you know, our high point early in this game felt a lot like the way the Dallas game started, like things were kind of going our way.
You felt like they were spotting you seven points and felt like, with that first throw to Amari, I felt like the offense was going to pop the top tonight and they were just going to let it. Let it rip.
And then we got anything but that.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: Boy, were we wrong.
[00:06:20] Speaker A: I mean, just poor, poor everything. It's hard to. It's hard to blame one facet of the game or any individual players here because they all played poorly.
[00:06:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it was bad.
We can start with. Let's just go ahead, Kenny. We could start with Deshaun Watson. I know it's gonna be the kind of the hot topic. Let's go ahead and get it out of the way.
I mean, overall, Deshaun Watson, I don't think he. I don't think he played a horrible game. I just don't think he played good, either. Like, I know people will sit here and they'll complain, and they'll want to say, you can't blame. You can't blame Deshaun Watson for this. This wasn't his game to be blamed on. Whatever.
He still. Bears. He didn't play well.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: No. And I think the stats actually can kind of. Kind of trick you in this game because statistically, he was relatively efficient. Or was he 21 at 30 something.
[00:07:19] Speaker B: For 196 yards, 96 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, and then four rushes for 26 yards on top of it.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: What that doesn't. What that story doesn't tell you is how many times this Browns team went three and out or darn near three and out, and that offense just stalled. Your defense was on.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: The other part I didn't get to was two fumbles, two lost.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's not good. You got here. The football.
I mean, that's rule number one, right? Did they. So, did they pin the Jerome fumble on him, or did Jerome also have a lost fumble?
[00:07:55] Speaker B: Yeah, they pinned the Jerome fumble on him. So I guess you're right. One fumble, one lost. If anybody has half a brain and watched the game, that fumble was not on Deshaun Watson. That was 100% Jerome Ford. It was in his chest. I don't know how you don't handle the ball.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: Look, I'd love to dog on Deshawn there, but I mean that, I mean you learn, you learn to take the ball. It's like the, one of the first things you do in peewee football and you know, they've done it a million times. There's just no excuse for a quarterback running back exchange to be fumbled, period.
No, especially when it happened. You know, it's like you're trying to build momentum.
[00:08:33] Speaker B: That was it. That was the game. I mean, I know we ended up getting the ball back one more time but that was the game when that happened.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, as far as Deshawn goes, look, I mean this team has now scored 1718 and 15 points in three consecutive weeks. And he's taken 16 sacks and has not eclipsed the 200 yard mark as a thrower.
Those, those things should be concerning.
And it's, it's just, it's not like you're seeing great progress here, right? I mean this, this offense looks, I mean, Jesus, we all, again, we all watched it last year in five games with Joe Flacco compared last year's five games to the couple of Deshaun starts we've seen this year. It was a totally different offense.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: Yeah, and don't give us any, don't, you can't even, you can't even fall back on the, the bullshit of, well, it was, the offensive line was hurt, okay, well the offensive lines hurt again. Everybody's hurt all the time and they still managed to make it happen last year. And this year's team is garbage.
Offensively, they're just garbage. Let's call it what it is. They are hot trash.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: And I don't, I don't know if it's just me. Maybe it's my tv, maybe it's the resolution. Maybe it's a poor cat.
It feels like there's something going on with his release. It looks to me like, like, oh.
[00:10:00] Speaker B: You'Re talking about like how many balls are overthrown under thrown just way off target.
[00:10:05] Speaker A: Just like coming out of his hand. Like it doesn't feel like there's like the enough zip on the ball coming out of his hand. Like he's like ducking it, letting them go. And I don't know, I can't pinpoint exactly what it is but it's almost like he's double clutching all the way through the release. Like he's just not confident where he wants to go with the ball. The only time he was confident all day long with where he went to go was on fourth down to Cedric Tillman him writing the numbers and he went and promptly dropped the ball. So well done. Andrew Barry, another stellar wide receiver picked.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: He ain't want it. Yeah, I mean, and here's the deal. Like, I would love to, especially just because of everything, you know, the, the more allegations coming out, everything else and how poorly he's played, I'd love to pin the whole thing on to Sean Watson. It wasn't entirely him, but he played poorly. And to your point, I saw multiple times and I know bone mentioned it, he's like, I just don't know where he's throwing to.
Yeah, he's like, where, where's that going?
[00:11:04] Speaker A: So some of those balls today in the second half especially were like, I mean, where they were in the dirt. They were over guys heads.
I, I can't, I mean, how do you go from pinpoint accuracy on the Cedric Tobin throw to just, I don't even know where that ball was going on other throws?
[00:11:22] Speaker B: It's bad when I'm hearing from people who never watch football ever, and they're sitting there watching the game, they're like, where was that supposed to go?
[00:11:32] Speaker A: And look, too, like, I don't want to discount, like, this whole thing is on Deshawn. Like, look, I do think it's time. I think it would, you would be hard pressed to walk into that locker room tonight as Kevin Stefanski and not have quarterback change in your mind again, 17, 1815 points in three weeks. That's just not getting it done. Even if your defense plays pretty well. I mean, you're, you're asking a lot of your defense to hold teams under 18 points in today's NFL. So if you're not contemplating a quarterback change right now, you're, you're wrong. I mean, you almost have to do something just to create a spark plug. But I don't, I also don't want to discount that. Like, a part of this is potentially scheme. You know, we talked about the offensive line being in shambles, which is true, yet a bunch of injuries today, but not all these are on, even just the offensive line are on Deshaun. I mean, I'm looking on that third down where he sailed the ball over Amari's head and I'm looking and I'm going, why are Amari and Jerry Judy 2ft from each other in a route combination on third and five?
[00:12:35] Speaker B: Like he over, he overthrew Amari Cooper and Hithenne Jerry Judy and like, Judy.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: I mean, there's, what, what kind of offense is this that you're running that your two top targets are next to each other.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: Just throw it there. Hopefully one of them will get it.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: I mean, like, again, like, I don't have the years of football expertise. I don't know what football college, like Ken Dorsey and these guys went to that said, put your two best players run side by side down the field together and that's a good play. But, like, where I come from, there was something called complimentary routes.
If you're on the same side of the, trying to create spacing and find gaps zone and, you know, it's kind.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: Of like the post in the out or the flag in the end or the dig.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: And, yeah, you don't want guys next to each other because then one defender can cover two guys. Like, very simple, basic stuff. That again, I guess I didn't go to the Kendorsky school of offensive football, but I just can't. Outside of like a Hail Mary situation, why do you have playmakers together in routes? There was another time early on when, you know, they showed the replay and the commentators were like, there's just, there's just nowhere for Deshawn to go with this football. Like, how is there not, I know, Njoku Cert, but like, how is there not a release valve for this guy? Like, how is there not a check down? There's no three guys in route. No check down. I mean, are we having that much time, hard of a time blocking, that every asset is to Max, protect Deshaun Watson, that we can't put somebody out on a delay, a chip and delay route where they're sitting there 2ft from Deshawn. Hey, I can, I can catch the ball if you're in trouble.
[00:14:12] Speaker C: Sticking with scheme, we kind of touched on it earlier, like when we were texting, but it seemed like the Giants adapted quickly to our defense being so aggressive early. They started, you know, hitting us with screens and they just drove down the field and scored on us, you know, multiple times in that first half. And Stevanski just did the same stuff the entire first half, maybe three quarters before he even threw a screen pass. So, you know, slowed the, the Giants defense down, you know, coming in on Deshaun. So I was just baffled. I, I don't know if it's, yeah, if it's scheme, if it's Deshawn can't see the field, if he doesn't have a check down, there's no, there's no outlet for him to throw the ball or he's holding on to it too long. I don't, I don't know, but, yeah.
[00:14:52] Speaker B: I think several things here. So, one, I think a lot of it is scheme. And the fact that, to your point, I mean, I know, like there's been in the past, people have come out and defended. Fans can be like, you don't really make that many adjustments in a game. It's kind of a myth. But I, I mean, you do because that's exactly what the Giants did, and you nailed it right. Right at the beginning there, you said they started to throw a bunch of screens and a bunch of real short, like stop routes and swing routes and things like that in it, and it just, it makes your defense pause. They can't just pin their ears back and come at you, right? Yeah.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: You run screens and draws. It keeps the defense off balance. And that was, that was what spurred what little offense we had in the second half when Deshawn had his little, I think he completed six or seven passes in a row. I mean, primarily those were, you know, short to the intermediate things. Where was it? A dump off here, a screen there, and they had a couple of draws to Jerome that, that ended up going for decent yardage.
I mean, it shouldn't take the coach of the year three quarters to figure out how to offset a six man rush. Like, no, if they're pinning their ears back and coming after you, you got to dump the ball early and put the ball behind their guys that are in front of you.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: So on the coaching front, look, I'm going to be honest with you guys. Like, I don't know how both of you are feeling, but I warned him. I warned him last week that if he didn't get his shit together, we were going to return his name to him or his, his lack of a name to him. And I'm there.
I mean, I was pretty disgusted throughout the entire game.
The Giants tried to gift us the game as many times as they possibly good. There was like six chances we had at the end and we didn't take advantage of any of them. Just another reason why I think Stefanski needs to get his disrespectful moniker back from us. I think we need to start referring to him as Stefanic again.
[00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I'm there, that's fine.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: So, yeah, I'm going with Stefanik until he, until he gets his head out of his ass is what I'm going.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: And it also just feels like he has such little faith in this running game, and I know that neither, none of these guys went back there. I don't know. Because you're Nick Chubb back there. But like 1818 carries for the totality of your team in a 69 yards.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: Giving up 169 rush yards a game.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: Yes. Like again, going back to like, the simple schematics of coaching. Right. Like, where's opportunity lie? Oh, this team is bad against defending the run. 18 runs is just probably not enough to get it done.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: Oh, and don't worry, Jerome Ford I Jerome Ford averaged 3.7 yards per carry per today, which we always rag on him about his yards per carry. Well, guess what? He also had two rushes that were over ten yards. So you take those away and you're down in like the 1.8 range.
[00:17:39] Speaker C: So, yeah, yeah, he was going, not good.
[00:17:42] Speaker B: He's just, he's just not good. Like, I'm so done with the Jerome Ford. Like, let's keep acting like he's going to be any sort of real running back in the NFL. He's not good. And I know, I know, I know you can't, you know, it's, it's not all the running backs, it's not all the quarterbacks, because our old line is ass right now, which is true. The O line is not good right now.
But let's get back to, like, their job. And the eight sacks that they gave up, probably half of those were Deshaun's fault because he holds onto the ball so damn long. Yeah, so, and I would say a lot of the running game issues are because the running backs we do have in there have no vision whatsoever, specifically Jerome Ford. I know I texted you guys at one point, there was a third and short, and he got the first down. It was like a third and one. He got the first down. But if he would have just broke to the outside, like we've seen Nick Chubb do, and I understand, not everybody's Nick Chubb, but we've seen Nick Chubb do it a million times. It was nothing but daylight. He would have scored easy. And instead he dipped inside and he got one and a half yards and got the first down, which is great, but, like, those are the type of plays that separate you, you know, Anhejdehe average to bad rushing game, really bad in this game for the Browns to being a decent one.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, look, I mean, again, we're not talking about like, doing anything superhumanly. I mean, you saw Devin singletary accomplish the same feat no less than 4 hours ago, you know, but, like ten carries for Jerome Ford. He's your leading ball carrier of the day. Last week. Deonta Foreman got, I think, 14 carries and this week he has two.
[00:19:18] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Yeah.
[00:19:19] Speaker A: Like, what is, what is the mix of, like, I just can't figure out.
[00:19:24] Speaker B: Can we be done with the James Winston coming in for QB sneaks thing? Like, could we be done with that?
[00:19:29] Speaker A: Bit him in the ass, didn't it?
[00:19:30] Speaker B: It's just, it's just so dumb.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: Like, wow, everybody knows what you're doing, right?
Yeah. I mean, you might as yours telegraph in your play.
Yeah. And again, and the funny thing is, like, okay, this third down is so important as third. And sure, we're going to put Jameson, but now on fourth and two or whatever, we're bringing Deshawn back. Like, if the play was important, why was your starter not in there to begin with?
[00:19:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And, yeah, I just, it's just crazy to me. And I will say this, and we talked about this before we got on air, Kenny, one of the reasons why I'm so frustrated with Kevin Stefanik is because just when the, the penalty happened early in the game when, when they got the, the roughing, the passer penalty, that negated the, the interception, which was a terrible call. We all know it was terrible call. I barely touched him.
It is what it is, and we'll talk about it again in a minute. I want to, I want to actually address it and how stupid it was, but it happened. And instead of rallying the troops and kind of telling his guys, like, hey, you know, we, we missed out on one. There. It is what it is. Let's move on. Let's, let's continue to push. It seemed like it was a completely different team from that point forward. It was like we had all the momentum. Everything was going well. Defense was fired up to all of a sudden, the defense was on their heels. We were letting just, we were blowing coverages. We were letting things get biased.
[00:20:59] Speaker A: I can tell you this, by and large, this team did not look prepared for week three.
What they were prepared to do is celebrate as a team, defensively, in the end zone on penalty was so well choreographed. I mean, they could, they were doing that all week long at practice, I guarantee you. Um, so maybe that, that just the sheer embarrassment of that celebration and then having to come back and get the ball back, um, was what did the mentally. But, uh, man, what a good, what a good celebration that was. Um, yeah, this team just look, I mean, everywhere you look, I go back to a few weeks ago, right, like, you've known both of these tackles were injured all offseason long, weren't going to get to play in camp. We threw around names like David Bhaktiari, who were sitting out there on his couch watching, you know, football from home right now, it's like, how did we not, how do we not go and do something to create some real depth on this offensive line? Every year these guys go down. You know, that they get hurt. How do you not have viable backups? And at this point, I don't know. You need viable starters. Because if you're telling me that's the best that we're getting out of the guys that we expect to be good, guys like Wyatt Teller, who got hurt today, guys like Ethan pocic went down, who didn't. Didn't get hurt, just wasn't good.
And Joel Batonio, like, if that's the best these guys can do, like, I don't know, maybe father time has caught up with these guys because.
Because they don't look good. They. I mean, the ball, you can't pass the ball.
There's. They just look flat out bad. So they've regressed entirely. Guys like Duan Jones, who came out last year, gangbusters. You thought he was going to be a solid piece. Like, he hasn't looked good since the week, since he started this season.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: No, he's looked really bad, actually. He's like a turnstile over there in the whole offensive line to that point is like turnstiles. It's, it's. I mean, I've never seen so many guys turned around watching plays.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: Could we miss Bill Callahan anymore?
[00:22:58] Speaker B: No, we can't. And that was going to be my point today, was, look, I know we were, the guy that we got was supposed to be another good offensive line coach, but to your point, I mean, we see who the heart and soul of this offensive line was in in the last few years, and it wasn't any of the players. It was 100% bill Callahan and what he brought to the table and the fact that we don't have him, I think that's, you know, we should have known it in the offseason, but going forward, and I think the Browns are going to continue to struggle because I think that offensive line is going to continue to struggle. What you're going to see is that is the number one move in the offseason or that, whether it went our way or didn't go our way, whatever the case is, that's the number one move that's going to shape this team this year, and we should have known it when it happened.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: That's just been ugly.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: It's been bad. It's been bad. So, I mean, do you guys think.
[00:23:56] Speaker C: Bill Callahan, I don't know, help shape Stefanski a little bit? Like, is he missing a step without him? Just because even scheme wise on the old line, like, I don't know, they just seem completely off and you guys already touched on it, but it's just like, it's like a whole new team. Our line has been pretty solid the last five years. Even when we were bad, like, the old line, I always felt like was good, right? And it's just terrible.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: I think. I think it, to me, it's just like, it's the, you know, the perfect storm concept, right? You know, George Clooney and Wahlberg drowning the ocean. It's. It's go. Callahan's gone. You've got guys that are banged up.
[00:24:32] Speaker B: And then our entire team's drowning in the ocean.
[00:24:35] Speaker A: You've got whatever's going on with this Ken Dorsey offense that can't crack 20 points a game.
[00:24:40] Speaker B: Like, don't get me started with the Kendori dorsey. No wonder Bill.
[00:24:44] Speaker A: We're so glad to be rid of this guy.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: Oh, my God. During the game that just kept running through my head. Running through my head is the preseason when David N. Joku, when Amari Cooper, when, you know, whoever it was, Jerome Ford, everybody came out and they're like, like, specifically the quote from Nijoku. What can we expect from this offense? Touchdowns. What? Like two. Two touchdowns?
Like, couple. Okay.
Because they've, like, whatever we were promised, we are not seeing a sliver of it.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: No. And look, again, I don't want to, like, I don't want to keep rehashing things that, like, I can't do anything about, but, like, Jesus, like, what a failure of the front office to go from having AVP in the room and Joe Flacco at the helm to Ken Dorsey this year and Deshaun Watson at the helm. Because, I mean, it's night and day. Like, you can't look at me and those guys can't look at each other as executives and as guys that are playing for their football team and go, we made the right decisions. We got. We got better this offseason. You'll never convince me of that. Because this team's one and two, and they were fortunate to get out of Jacksonville to win. They could be zero three if it weren't for Hail Mary that fell out of that guy's hands. Like, like, I will, I will take Joe Flacco in the interceptions and winning twelve games in a season. That would be fine with me.
[00:26:05] Speaker B: Do you know what Andrew Barry is right now? Do you know what Andrew Barry is right now? He's that meme, the dog sitting with this coffee cup in the fire. This is fine. Yeah, fine.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: There's nothing fine.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Yeah, that's very right now, because it's just insane. This team looks terrible. Like, they. They don't just look bad. They look. They just lost. Look like old giants.
[00:26:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: Daniel Jones and the job. We made Daniel Jones look like a freaking hall of famer.
[00:26:34] Speaker A: Yeah. We're going to be responsible for keeping Daniel Jones's job for most of the season.
[00:26:38] Speaker C: He had a hit a career half he's ever had as a football player.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: They'll go on and lose three or four of their next five games, and they'll go, but remember how well he played in Cleveland?
[00:26:51] Speaker B: That's insane. And nobody was safe today either. Bone your boy.
[00:26:59] Speaker C: I know. He got one chance. That was it.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: Well, he missed it. Why would we give him another one?
[00:27:05] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:09] Speaker B: I'll say this about top to bottom is playing poorly.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: I'll say this about d hop is it's. It's hard to kick 100% for the season. So, like, at least he missed this field goal in a game that was just an absolute garbage show from beginning to end. Like, I rather. I'd rather him make kicks when it matters later on versus. Look, if this is the one that has to break his statistics to 98% for the season, I'm good with it, because this whole game was a shit show.
[00:27:36] Speaker B: It was not good, that's for sure.
But no. So, I mean, I guess, you know, it's funny. At the end of losses like this, I feel like you always want to. Want to land on something that you can build off of, but I just. I don't know if there's anything to build off of.
[00:27:50] Speaker C: Nothing.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Like, you've. You've got to figure things out before you can start building. And we're not even to the point where we figured anything out yet.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: No, I mean, where's. Where's the answer on the offensive line coming?
[00:28:01] Speaker B: A whole new offensive line. That's what we need, a whole new.
[00:28:04] Speaker A: I mean, we're talking about issues with coaching and with personnel there. Top to bottom running backs again, I don't think Stefanski trusts them at all. He's not killed on those guys carries. And when they do, I mean, to be fair, they aren't doing anything with him. So until Nick Chubb comes back, there's zero answers there. Deshawn is his own conundrum.
I mean, it's I've given up trying to explain anything about him. I just think he's, he's, he's why he's washed below average. Yeah, he's not good. He's not good enough to be a starter in this league anymore. And the thing is, is that's not going anywhere because of the contract. They're going to keep paying and playing him because of the money. And the sad part is we have.
[00:28:48] Speaker B: A guy that probably is worth worthy of being a starter in the league on the bench right now.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. But it's going to take this team to go on a skid of four, five, six more games that look like this before they'll even consider it, when the smart thing to do would be, hey, are we trying to win this year? We try to make the playoffs this year. They're like, make the move that's best for your team. This team has handcuffed themselves into a position where they can't do that on defense. Like, you know, I think that there's potential there for them to maybe right the ship, but it's not like we saw anybody there particularly play well today. I mean, shoot, the Giants came in with one weapon in Malik neighbors and the Browns, I'll say, like, underestimated him coming in because they let, they let the shift go on. I think it was, the plan was for Zelda to cover him, which makes sense, but they started running him across the field in motion and letting Emerson cover him. And look, I like Martin Emerson, but, I mean, he was victimized by Malik.
He's not Denzel Ward. So until they figured that out, we.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: We talked about this, too. Another, another coaching error, in my opinion. I think the defense actually played just fine overall. I think once they made. Once they finally were put in a position to succeed and some adjustments were made later on and they weren't pinning their ears back after they'd already been torched for a couple touchdowns. They were fine. But, like, a big coaching error in the fact that you've got Denzel Ward, one of the premier shutdown corners in the entire league, and you don't put them on their only weapon for the entire game, like, what is wrong with you?
[00:30:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, look, they were, they were fine to an extent. They gave up 21 points to a booty cheeks team.
So.
Yeah, but I mean, again, I think you have personnel there and I think I do trust, trust Jim shorts still. I just.
Man, they, I mean, they looked bad against Dallas and bad again today. It was like those two teams were the same and the team we saw last week in Jackson, Bill, was. Was slightly better.
So I just. I don't know. I don't know where any of the answers are for this team.
It feels bad. It feels like. It feels like. Like to your point, like it's the fire meme. Everything's fine. Everything is fine. Everything around you is collapsing and burning and there's no way out and you're. You're just stuck sitting there.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I just get so sick of year after year after year after year after year. And I know every Browns fan out there that hears this is going to relate to it. It hard. I just get so sick of it being doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde every year. Like, you get. You get games where we come out gangbusters and. And we dominate because we're a good. I mean, on paper, you're a good football team and then you get games like this where you come out and stinker.
And I just don't understand it.
It really. It makes it incredibly frustrating to watch this team.
It makes it incredibly frustrating to continue to root for. I'm going to continue to root for him because I'm a Browns fan. That's what I do. But I'm not going to like it.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: Hey, Ronnie, you want to go on trip down memory lane real quick? Do you remember when there was a time period when the end of Baker and the beginning of Jacobi Brissette where you wished for an entire year for a Browns quarterback to just throw one time, just one time for 300 yards?
[00:32:12] Speaker B: I think I'm still wishing, other than Joe Flacco, how about we could get.
[00:32:15] Speaker A: A quarterback that goes for 200 yards in a game?
This was the upgrade. This was the upgrade that we were waiting on. This was the Mandev.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: I had no idea that they gave it all away. They gave living in the good times.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: You never know.
[00:32:34] Speaker B: They're gone.
But, yeah, I mean, it's just. It's just so hard to watch. But I guess, I mean, I don't know. Do you guys want to continue to keep rehashing this and shitting all over everything that happened today? I mean, I could run through the. The team stats real quick just to wrap things up in this.
[00:32:50] Speaker A: I don't think it's necessary. I mean, I think we can. We can kind of move on to the next thing here.
[00:32:56] Speaker B: All right, so I guess the next thing here is going to be the burning river sportscast dog of the week.
And I don't know if you loaded any sounders or not, Kenny.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: So I was having trouble because, yeah, next time.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: Next time, stinker sticker. But no. So this is the part we're going to nominate. What we do is we're going to go around and nominate the who we think should be this week's burning river sports cast, dog of the week. Each of us will put one up. I'll put a poll out on social media either tonight or tomorrow morning, let everybody vote on it. And by Tuesday we will let everybody know who won the dog of the week. So I'm going to go ahead of this mess. What?
[00:33:40] Speaker A: Trying to pick an mvp out of this mess.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It's going to be. It's going to be tough. Bone, I'm actually going to start with you here.
[00:33:47] Speaker C: Oh, excellent. Well, then I'll take them. Amari Cooper.
Good luck, fellas.
No, he caught everything today. Everything. He caught, you know, his contested catch, two touchdowns, a bunch of toe tappers and.
Yeah, he finally. He came back. He came back to himself.
[00:34:06] Speaker B: Yeah, he did. And I will say this. I know we were texting throughout the game, but it just seemed like the level of difficulty on his catches just got. It just kept going up as the game went on. He was like, I got this. Don't worry about it.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, look, I agree that he had a great game, you know, respectively or relatively compared to the rest of the team.
I'm a little worried about the fact that each one of those catches was the most difficult catch I've ever seen have to be made in NFL game. I mean, they were on the sidelines. It's one on one. You're locked up. You've created no separation. Deshawn's just chucking balls wherever Deshawn's chucking them. And you're just expected to go fight for them, come down with them and get both feet and bounds somehow.
I mean, superhuman effort today. Looks, looked amazing doing it, but my concern is, like, that is not sustainable.
[00:35:02] Speaker B: No.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: You know, like, I'm concerned as. Look, we were, we were waiting for Amari to have a better game and he certainly did statistically today. And just again, in terms of, like, being a leader on the field in that offense, like, he was the one guy that kind of held down his end.
But I'm worried about his ability to create separation going forward. Like, this was a guy that was never like, the fastest guy on the planet. He has enough speed, which is fine, but for NFL receiver, he's not slow, but by any means, but it was his route running the body control, the ability to create separation strategically and schematically dramatically more so than just by sure. Sheer athleticism so far this season.
[00:35:45] Speaker B: No separation.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: There was no separation today at all. So I just got something to watch going forward.
[00:35:52] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. And then. So, Bones, is Amari Cooper. Kenny, who do you got here?
[00:35:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I had Amari Cooper written in, but thanks, Bowen, for stealing that one. I'll go just for the sake of having another nominee. I'll do grant delpd. But today, ten tackles. He had the fumble recovery. I think on the kickoff. Just seemed like a guy that was swarming all over, you know, and trying to clean up the mess today.
[00:36:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, he was everywhere. He got a fumble recovery. A pretty decent day out of Grant delpit.
You'll like seeing that. I actually have. I don't know if you guys will allow. We can nominate a run, like a fourth one together, if you would like, because I have two that I'm choosing between the first one out of this game. Yeah. As weird as that sounds, and the only reason I ended up having a second one is because I checked the stat line and I was like, holy shit.
So the. The first one, though, is Granny Hickman. That was the one I had originally. Ronnie Hickman had a pretty good game. He ended up with a fumble recovery.
Let's see here. He had interception five. I was going to say he should have had the interception. He had five tackles.
He was just kind of. He's doing a really nice job filling in for Juan Thornhill. And you guys got to remember, this is a guy that's an undrafted free agent. Like, he wasn't supposed to be anything, really. And he's come in and he's playing meaningful minutes for the Browns. Sure, they're losing right now, but he's doing a hell of a job with the opportunities he's been given. So I'm going to go Ronnie Hickmandeh as the places got dope ass name.
Yeah, so that was my main one. The other one that I want to say we could probably put up here as a group, as a fourth one is Cory Bajora. Quiz.
Six punts for 306 yards and five inside the 20.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I. Look, I agree. Honorable mention there. I don't think he needs to make the graphic, though, because none of his punts were meaningful, sequential to the point where it turned to the game. So I just saw it and I was like, I have no problem recognizing Corey again. Hey, you know, you're doing your thing out there. And. And again, a couple of those were very directional kicks. That were right along the sideline which.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: Suck it, Belichick.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: Suck it, Bill Belichick. But I don't know if he heard that and took it personally. He's like, I'll show you, Bill.
[00:38:17] Speaker B: I'm going to be the best directional kicker you've ever seen.
[00:38:19] Speaker A: But he's been, the punter is the one guy has been lights out all year.
[00:38:25] Speaker B: So those will be our nominees. We're going to have, let's see, who is Amari Cooper, Grant Delpit and Ronnie Hickman. I'll get that graphic made up. We'll get that out on social media, let you guys vote on it, and we'll choose from there. And with that, we're going to do our final thoughts here for NFL week three. Kenny will start with you.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: Oh, you want my final thoughts?
[00:38:47] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll save you bone. We're going to start with you and final thoughts. Yeah. The NFL week three. Is anything across the NFL?
[00:38:57] Speaker C: Well, it's not good. Pittsburgh Steelers are three and, oh, did who played it fields play today or did Russell Wilson get.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: They're all talking about how you can't change quarterback over there because he's three.
[00:39:11] Speaker C: And o. Yeah, they're just, they just keep winning. It's just a little unnerving there, but we'll see. We'll see. We don't play until a little bit.
[00:39:19] Speaker B: Later in the year, so I still maintain their fraudulent.
All right, so my final thought just to build off of that bone is Baltimore got on the board this week, too, with their first win. So the division's coming.
But I know Cincinnati plays later tonight, right? Or they play tomorrow.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: I play tomorrow.
[00:39:39] Speaker C: Must be Monday night. It's a double header.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Two games tomorrow. Yeah.
[00:39:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, the division's coming, though. I mean, we play in the AFC north there. Everybody's going to be good. Everybody's going to. It's going to be a tight race at the end of the season. So you can't afford to drop games to the damn New York Giants.
[00:39:57] Speaker C: Nope.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: You just can't do it.
Kenny, final thoughts?
[00:40:01] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, I'll keep with the theme here, you know, in terms of, like, where, where do we go from here? What does the future look like?
Guys like Giants, Raiders commanders, this was the soft part of the schedule. This was the opportunity to jump out in front of the division and say, this is our year. We know we have some tough games coming up, but if you're not taking care of business and the games that you should win, you're not a playoff team. You're not a playoff team. You're not a good football team. You're not a playoff team. I am fearful about the rest of this season because like, again, if they can't get it together against these teams that, that aren't as good as them statistically and on paper and just across the board, like, I have zero faith that they're going to walk into Pittsburgh. It might be six and oh, or whatever by the time we get there and win those games. I mean, this team just looks bad in every phase of the ball, you know, like, I'm not going to rehash the whole conversation. Like, this was, this was an ugly, embarrassing performance which wasn't far off from the first two that we had this season. And this season is quickly going down the dumpster. Something has to change and it has to be, has to be drastic to Ronnie's point there. Like, you lost to the damn Giants.
I guess my final thought of the week is this is that I'm done with game. You should win.
Whether it was the Giants or the Jets a couple of years ago, every time we get on and talk about this is a team that we're better than, this is a team that we should, this basically just chalk us up as a w, the Browns find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. So done with that moniker in general and this team better change something.
[00:41:51] Speaker B: No such thing.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: Fast.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: There's no such thing as a game the Brown should win.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: No.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Never again. So with that, let me remind everybody one more time to call the burning river sportscast hot take hotline. Call us and leave your hot takes on the hot take hotline. We want hot takes so we could put them on our show and we could, we could talk about them. See how you guys asked as fans are feeling. So that number, we want to hear.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: Your frustration as well. We don't just want to be the only ones venting about this.
[00:42:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I know I'm not the only one mad.
[00:42:20] Speaker A: Somebody's got to be mad out there. Twitter is angry. So someone, someone give me something.
[00:42:25] Speaker B: Yeah, so that number again. 3302-2780-8033-0227-80 now we'll listen to those. We'll put them on air. We'll talk about them. And while you're at it, be sure to check out our gear. Www.tappingmedia.com backslash shop and that'll do it for us. Kenny, what can we expect this week?
[00:42:44] Speaker A: This week, so you can expect our normal show on Thursday. We will preview the week four game against the Las Vegas Raiders. Vegas, baby.
And obviously, we'll continue our brown Backers interview series with our special guest, the Vegas dog pounds. And I believe we also do we have.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: John Hughes will be on with us this week as well. Yeah, John fresh off his flag football game at halftime.
[00:43:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So, looking forward to having big John back on the airwaves as well.
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Bone, you got anything to say?
[00:43:41] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Time for my nightcap. So, bon appetit.
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[00:43:48] Speaker B: And only you can prevent river fires.
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[00:43:55] Speaker B: Let's get out of here.
[00:44:01] Speaker A: That's it. That's the show.
Good night, Cleveland.
[00:44:08] Speaker B: Good night, Cleveland.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: Good night.
